tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post2445839558430496464..comments2024-03-26T13:03:49.523-07:00Comments on justice4nifong: NBC-17 News and all media need to stop misleading and insulting the publicNifong Supporterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-48186416575760712962009-12-22T17:48:59.256-08:002009-12-22T17:48:59.256-08:00They are suing civally because they know they will...They are suing civally because they know they will pay them with another settlement. This case has gone beyond truth into money!<br /><br />Duke settled because they have alumnists to consider, they city will settle because they have their "cough/choke" pride.<br /><br />Rhonda Fleming<br />Justice4JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-57249506696078158492009-12-22T17:28:31.237-08:002009-12-22T17:28:31.237-08:00Sidney, here are the Dismissal forms for Evans, Fi...<b>Sidney</b>, here are the Dismissal forms for Evans, Finnerty, and Seligmann - <a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2007/4/11/Document.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsobserver.com/content/media/2007/4/11/Document.pdf</a>Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Sidney?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-6430462707835890492009-12-22T06:25:30.557-08:002009-12-22T06:25:30.557-08:00To Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Sidney?:
Thank...To Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Sidney?:<br /><br />Thanks for the info regarding Form AOC CR-307. I will be posting a blog about it shortly.<br /><br />However, as you noted, it was a DISMISSAL form. Not a verdict form. By signing the form, the judge merely accepted the attorney general's request to dismiss it. Nothing more.<br /><br /><br />If you have access to the CR-307 form that was actually filled out, could you send me a link to it, or tell me where I can see it. Thanks.Nifong Supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-90436589830676900192009-12-21T12:26:56.340-08:002009-12-21T12:26:56.340-08:00from justice4jack:
"If the 3 Stooges were su...from justice4jack:<br /><br />"If the 3 Stooges were such alter boys, then why did they settle out of court, and not go to trial?"<br /><br />If you have been following the case, you would know the lacrosse players are trying to "go to trial". They have filed civil suits which, if they go to trial, will require them to make their case. It is Durham, Nifong, and the other defendants who are trying to avoid trial.<br /><br />Are you serious? Why should they have to go through a criminal trial when all the hard evidence says no crime occurred? It was Duke University which did not want to go to trial over this. Duke settled with them rather than have it all come out.<br /><br />Please tell us what due process, the presumption of innocence mean to you. You make it sound like it maens very little to you.unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-77337639537432748142009-12-21T12:15:55.388-08:002009-12-21T12:15:55.388-08:00biased prejudiced racist fanatic bigot know nothin...biased prejudiced racist fanatic bigot know nothing megalomaniac injustice58:<br /><br />You say the case should have gone to trial. Why should a case which depends only on the word of a barely credible witness.<br /><br />Of course, cgm could go to trial. she could file a civil suit and prove she was raped and the lacrosse players did it. Thus far she and all her deluded racist fans have ducked a civil suit. The most likely reason was given by Roy Cooper. There is no evidence that any crime happened.<br /><br />For all your ranting and raving about name calling, you have never offered any evidence that the lacrosse players did anything. All you have done is call them and their supporters names.<br /><br />So, aspartame, where is the evidence they are guilty?unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-74198895581756180232009-12-21T12:07:49.555-08:002009-12-21T12:07:49.555-08:00biased prejudiced racist bigot fanatic know nothin...biased prejudiced racist bigot fanatic know nothing megalomaniac injustice58<br /><br />Why don't you tell us what hard evidence you have that the lacrosse players were guilty? Is it because you have no evidence, cyclamate? Isn't it true you are calling them guilty because they are white and cgm is black?<br /><br /> And you protest being named a racist.unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-77045896390131343552009-12-20T19:58:00.181-08:002009-12-20T19:58:00.181-08:00Sidney -...and that is exactly what the media, the...<b>Sidney -</b><i>...and that is exactly what the media, the state, and the attorneys for the carpetbagger families of the Duke lacrosse defendants tried to get Mr. Nifong to admit to. But he never did. Mr. Nifong always maintained that something happened.</i><br /><br />Nifong has equivocated in his statements as to whether or not 'something happened'. His statement changed in obviously self-serving ways, depending on the venue in which he was making the statement.<br /><br />It is difficult to understand how he could come to the conclusion that 'something happened' since Nifong admits that he never personally spoke to Crystal about the events of March 13-14, 2006, and read little if any of the case file.<br /><br />That refusal to man up is only one of the several reasons why Nifong's bar card will never be restored.<br /><br />PS - 'carpetbagger families'? Really, why the gratuitous pejorative, Sidney? Do you think that Durham would be better off without Duke there?Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Sidney?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-7788842802695133932009-12-20T12:08:22.129-08:002009-12-20T12:08:22.129-08:00A lot happened! Men hired prostitutes to perform f...A lot happened! Men hired prostitutes to perform for a party, the hookers did not provide services rendered, the men took the money back, hurled racial slurs back and forth, she cries rape, and the DA jumps on it to use it to win an election.<br /><br />One paragraph tells the entire story. There should have been charges brought, but rape was not one of them. Are you all so blind as to not see the case for what it is, instead of each side trying to pick the other apart, because of this being turned into race?!<br /><br />The FACTS that have been made public stand. Nifong will NEVER get his law license back, and has yet to be charged with other crimes in office! <br /><br />Another case of CONSPIRACY, and the DOJ are the ones that are going to cough up an investigation, whether they want to or not!<br /><br />Why don't you all agree that THIS should be the focus, and NOT about handing the criminal back his tools he used to commit offences with?!<br /><br />The same stinking system exists, and THAT is something that can be changed, so why not DO something instead of wasting time with all of this useless drivel?!<br /><br />Rhonda Fleming<br />Justice4Jack<br />Sister of Allen Jackson Croft Jr.<br />Murdered May 11, 2005 in Durham<br />Justice4all2005@yahoo.com<br />http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/doj-fda-investigationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-8604097645517930882009-12-20T11:54:31.235-08:002009-12-20T11:54:31.235-08:00Sidney,
I thank you for your response. However, I...Sidney,<br /><br />I thank you for your response. However, I suggest that you not place "nothing happened" in quotes if Mr. Cooper said something different. Direct quotations are different that something that "in essence" is the same. "Nothing happened" is more inclusive that a conclusion that the crimes for which the defendants had been indicted did not occur. <br /><br />Have you made any progress on the "answer" you promised me 17 days ago?<br /><br />Merry Christmas.JSwifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07758976125626982551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-83330261236128247192009-12-20T11:46:53.705-08:002009-12-20T11:46:53.705-08:00To JSwift:
Regarding your request for a link to a...To JSwift:<br /><br />Regarding your request for a link to a reference where Mr. Cooper stated, in essence, that "nothing happened": http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/04/11/cooper.transcript/index.html?iref=allsearch<br /><br />The specific paragraph that I refer to is the following: "Next week we'll be providing a written summary of the important factual findings and some of the specific contradictions that have led us to the conclusion that no attack occurred."<br /><br />For Mr. Cooper to say "no attack occurred" is essentially the same as "nothing happened." I do not believe that a reasonable person would believe differently. And, it is not worth parsing every nuance of every single word. Mr. Cooper stated that nothing happened, and that is exactly what the media, the state, and the attorneys for the carpetbagger families of the Duke lacrosse defendants tried to get Mr. Nifong to admit to. But he never did. Mr. Nifong always maintained that something happened.Nifong Supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-68716103076197280742009-12-20T11:05:03.010-08:002009-12-20T11:05:03.010-08:00Roy Cooper’s “Innocent Promulgation of April 11, 2...<i>Roy Cooper’s “Innocent Promulgation of April 11, 2007,” in which he made the unprecedented proclamation that the Duke Lacrosse players charged with sexual assault were “innocent,” and that “nothing happened.” </i><br /><br />Sidney,<br /><br />I listened again to Mr. Cooper's April 11, 2007, news conference and reread his formal statement. I listened to the clip of the interview with Mr. Cooper posted on the 60 Minutes website. I ran a google search for "Cooper" "nothing happened" "Duke". <br /><br />I was unable to find a reference to a statement by Mr. Cooper that "nothing happened" on any site except this one.<br /><br />As you know, Mr. Cooper does conclude that the defendant are "innocent" because there is "no credible evidence that these crimes occurred..."<br /><br />Can you please provide a link to Mr. Cooper's statement at the April 11, 2007, press conference that "nothing happened" ? You make a big deal about the specific phrases "innocent" and "nothing happened" and I wanted to see and hear the context.<br /><br />Thanks in advance.JSwifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07758976125626982551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-20031337244414136192009-12-19T17:27:47.093-08:002009-12-19T17:27:47.093-08:00Justice58:
You're right. This was a travesty...Justice58: <br /><br />You're right. This was a travesty of justice.<br /><br />There was significant evidence that Gottlieb, Himan and Nifong obstructed justice, intimidated witnesses and committed perjury or attempted to suborn perjury. <br /><br />"They did get off… even without a trial."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-2616954037857148122009-12-19T16:00:44.599-08:002009-12-19T16:00:44.599-08:00SH - I believe that they are basing the statement...<b>SH - </b><i> I believe that they are basing the statement, not on common sense or their personal feelings, but on a statement by Attorney General Roy Cooper.</i><br /><br />You give the public, including the media, no credit. Most of the known universe had figured out that the players were innocent long before April 11, 2006.<br /><br /><br /><b>SH -</b> <i>Roy Cooper's declaration of "innocent" has no more validity or legal weight than if I were to make such a proclamation. That is the point of the article.</i><br /><br />Not quite. The Dismissal (Form AOC-CR-307) clearly states that the defendants were innocent, and that the charges were dismissed (with prejudice, meaning that they cannot be refiled) <i>because</i> the players were innocent.<br /><br />That form was accepted by the Judge, and is a part of the Court record.<br /><br />So, yes, the declaration of innocence, has both validity and legal weight.Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Sidney?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-15616044936608816902009-12-19T13:26:55.063-08:002009-12-19T13:26:55.063-08:00NiFong 30 up, 1 down love it hate it
buy nifong...NiFong 30 up, 1 down love it hate it<br /> <br />buy nifong mugs, tshirts and magnets<br />action verb<br /><br />The practice of deception by hiding important evidence, information, or creating false statements to futher ones career without being caught. To knowingly undermine set professional standards to further ones career, on the back of innocent people. Useful tool of lawyers, politicans, accountants or anyone trying to get the edge over people.<br /><br />An illegal and unethical act of conducting issues of trust and legal proceedings. Maybe punishable by legal remedies if caught doing it.<br /><br />A tool for people in position of power, authority, or trust to conduct a form of fraudlant practices to futher ones hidden agenda.<br />. The district attorney tried to do a Nifong on us, but we caught on, as well as the jury.<br /><br />2. The officials of Enron Nifonged the stockholders, employees, and the public, which eventually caused Enron officials being convicted of fraud see Enron.<br /><br />3. The accounted did a Nifong on the board of directors and stockholders to keep his job and his financial missteps quiet and hidden.<br /><br />4. The politicians did a nifong on the voters, just to get elected on a shaky platform.<br /><br />5. If a lawyer does the nifong option, and caught he can be disbarred, lose his law license and by sued by victims of his nifonging.<br /><br />6. The district attorney performed a Nifong and got away with it, causing the defendant to be found guilty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-36516810583577387742009-12-19T09:54:58.713-08:002009-12-19T09:54:58.713-08:00Regarding the statement by the media of using &quo...<i>Regarding the statement by the media of using "falsely accused" I believe that they are basing the statement, not on common sense or their personal feelings, but on a statement by Attorney General Roy Cooper.</i><br /><br />Sidney,<br /><br />You have repeatedly made the claim that the media is incapable of reaching an independent conclusion and relies entirely on Mr. Cooper’s declaration that the accused players were “innocent” of the charges.<br /><br />While I agree that some journalists are lazy and have not examined the evidence available, I believe that many have done so and reached independent conclusions with which you disagree. <br /><br />As you know, charges were dropped when the special prosecutors concluded that there was “‘no credible evidence” that the crimes with which the accused players were charged had even occurred. The special prosecutors reached this conclusion when they determined that the accusations by the accuser were not corroborated by any other witness or other evidence, were contradicted by other witnesses and by physical evidence, and differed materially in statements made by the accuser at different times. The special prosecutors further concluded that the identifications involved “questionable procedures” and that other evidence demonstrated that “the accused individuals could not have participated in an attack during the time it was alleged to have occurred.” <br /><br />Mr. Nifong later stated that he agreed with the determination by the special prosecutors that there was “no credible evidence” to support the charges. Patrick Baker, on behalf of the City of Durham, supported the declaration of innocence and questioned why it took the justice system more than one year “to reach the conclusion that the allegations of rape, sexual assault and kidnapping were unfounded.” Ben Himan, one of the DPD investigators responsible for the case and the DPD’s liaison with the special prosecutor’s investigation, stated under oath that he had concluded that Ms. Mangum “was not telling the truth about anything.” Durham City Councilman Eugene Brown asked: “why did three Durham residents have to go to Raleigh and to the Attorney General's office to get justice?”<br /><br />The evidence made available through court filings and Nifong’s disbarment hearing and criminal contempt trial confirms these conclusions. No information made available has seriously challenged them. You have added nothing to raise any questions. <br /><br />A journalist or “weak-minded” viewer can conclude from an independent review that the defendants were “innocent” of the charges and that they were “falsely accused.” In doing so, they independently reach the same conclusion as Roy Cooper, Jim Coman, Mary Winstead, Patrick Baker, Ben Himan, Bill Bell, Eugene Brown and many, many others. <br /><br />I too wish you a Merry Christmas.JSwifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07758976125626982551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-49915187547281659142009-12-19T08:22:16.782-08:002009-12-19T08:22:16.782-08:00If the 3 Stooges were such alter boys, then why di...If the 3 Stooges were such alter boys, then why did they settle out of court, and not go to trial?<br /><br />They chose money over going public with the "truth."<br /><br />You all can banter forever on every minute detail, but you will never know it all, because they will lose their millions.<br /><br />Shame on all of you for turning this into a circus! This case is over, and what CAN be done is to have a Federal Investigation into the CORRUPTION that has plagued Durham for many years, and the rotten system that has not changed one bit, accept to become worse!<br /><br />All of this back and forth is moot!<br />If you want to make a difference, then sign my petition! I am not giving up, no matter how many years it takes, and over no amount of money!<br /><br />There is only one chance at a trial, no statute of limitations on murder, and we are not willing to take a chance of "double-jeopardy," or a fair trial in Durham!<br /><br />If any of you want to truly make a difference, and stop this pointless drivel, take 30 seconds to sign our petition, and help more than just my family to have REAL truth and justice! <br /><br />Rhonda Fleming<br />Justice4Jack<br />Sister of Allen Jackson Croft Jr.<br />Murdered May 11, 2005 in Durham NC<br />Justice4all2005@yahoo.com<br />www.myspace.com/Sinnderrella<br /><br />30 seconds: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/doj-fda-investigationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-67614395472543825452009-12-19T07:56:11.335-08:002009-12-19T07:56:11.335-08:00To Walt-in-Durham:
Thanks for the holiday greetin...To Walt-in-Durham:<br /><br />Thanks for the holiday greeting. Hope you and your family have a great Christmas as well.<br /><br />Regarding the statement by the media of using "falsely accused" I believe that they are basing the statement, not on common sense or their personal feelings, but on a statement by Attorney General Roy Cooper. They are allowing an officer in the executive branch of government to make a judicial statement, and instead of challenging it, embracing it as the truth. Roy Cooper's declaration of "innocent" has no more validity or legal weight than if I were to make such a proclamation. That is the point of the article.Nifong Supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-91859601724465581502009-12-19T07:19:59.775-08:002009-12-19T07:19:59.775-08:00They did get off… even without a trial.
Despicab...<b>They did get off… even without a trial.</b><br /><br /><br />Despicable arrogant racist thugs!SouthernGirl2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01829901840187884140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-27785956908982981412009-12-19T07:13:37.108-08:002009-12-19T07:13:37.108-08:00It would have been accurate and responsible for Ms...<i>It would have been accurate and responsible for Ms. Sanders to omit the adverb “falsely” and phrase the statement as follows, “…representing an accused Duke Lacrosse defendant.”</i><br /><br />Sidney,<br /><br />I am afraid that your suggestion is also misleading—perhaps even more so than the version you criticize. You fail to provide your reader with critical facts regarding the disposition of the case. You fail to note, for example, even that the charges were dropped. As you know, that is a crucial fact. <br /><br />You can provide a more complete description and provide relevant information, even if you insist on not using terms such as “innocent,” “falsely accused,” “false accuser,” etc. It becomes a bit clumsy, but provides the necessary information to the reader.<br /><br />I suggest the following:<br /><br />“…representing an accused Duke Lacrosse defendant. Charges in that case were dropped when the special prosecutors concluded that there was ‘no credible evidence’ that the crimes with which the accused players had were charged had even occurred. The special prosecutors reached this conclusion when they determined that the accusations by the accuser were not corroborated by any other witness or other evidence, were contradicted by other witnesses and by physical evidence, and differed materially in statements made by the accuser at different times. The special prosecutors further concluded that the identifications involved ‘questionable procedures’ and that other evidence demonstrated that ‘the accused individuals could not have participated in an attack during the time it was alleged to have occurred.’ Former District Attorney Michael B. Nifong, who had originally prosecuted the case, later stated that he agreed with the determination by the special prosecutors that there was ‘no credible evidence’ to support the charges.”<br /><br />Although I concede that it is a little long, I believe that my description provides relevant facts that allow the reader to reach an independent conclusion. I have taken your advice and excluded the inappropriate opinions you criticize. You are welcome to adopt it.JSwifthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07758976125626982551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-38185171158526822162009-12-19T06:44:24.851-08:002009-12-19T06:44:24.851-08:00@ Miss Piggy:
flom what I hear, your A$$ is anyth...@ Miss Piggy:<br /><br />flom what I hear, your A$$ is anything but innocent!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-74603628910850581872009-12-18T21:15:09.671-08:002009-12-18T21:15:09.671-08:00The case was going to get kicked by Judge Smith on...<i>The case was going to get kicked by Judge Smith on Feb 5, no matter what. As it turms out, Nifong's stepping down made it that much better.</i><br /><br /><br />Ha!<br /><br /><br />Keep repeating that and maybe you'll convince yourself.<br /><br />Innocent my a$$!SouthernGirl2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01829901840187884140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-75667671191239276092009-12-18T19:51:27.283-08:002009-12-18T19:51:27.283-08:00The case should have went to trial.
Can you at le...<i>The case should have went to trial.</i><br /><br />Can you at least pretend like you can speak and write properly?<br /><br />TIA<br /><br />The case was going to get kicked by Judge Smith on Feb 5, no matter what. As it turms out, Nifong's stepping down made it that much better.obyfinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-29564970596838411732009-12-18T13:47:25.915-08:002009-12-18T13:47:25.915-08:00Gee,
As if I'm bothered by the name calling? ...Gee,<br /><br />As if I'm bothered by the name calling? It's a clear sign a nerve has been touched. The truth hurts, doesn't it?<br /><br />The rotten thugs aren't innocent. No amount of name calling is going to change that. The case should have went to trial. Then we'd know what really happened.<br /><br />Like I said...Innocent my a$$!SouthernGirl2https://www.blogger.com/profile/01829901840187884140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-48190030878436209692009-12-18T12:57:46.274-08:002009-12-18T12:57:46.274-08:00bug-eyedcynthiamckinneylook-alike58 - Innocent my ...<b>bug-eyedcynthiamckinneylook-alike58</b> - <i>Innocent my A$$!</i><br /><br />No evidence that a crime had even been committed, so of course the players are innocent.dayofinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-32933910341581111222009-12-18T11:28:34.635-08:002009-12-18T11:28:34.635-08:00Biased prejudiced racist bigot fanatic know nothin...Biased prejudiced racist bigot fanatic know nothing megalomaniac injustice58:<br /><br />Present the hard evidence that the Lacrosse players are guilty of raping cgm. cgm's word is not hard evidence. So far as the dna on cgm's fingernail, how do you know that it did not get there by cgm going after Davtd Evans. It has been documented she was an experienced sex worker at the time. It would be more likely she went afyer him.unbekanntehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04156000065948879683noreply@blogger.com