tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post5874217871470066117..comments2024-03-26T13:03:49.523-07:00Comments on justice4nifong: Happy Holidays: Official j4n 2013 Christmas cardNifong Supporterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comBlogger320125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-48267759629279160102014-01-15T16:53:04.327-08:002014-01-15T16:53:04.327-08:00So ... why are you telling us all this and not a l...So ... why are you telling us all this and not a lawyer at the trial - eh? Why should anyone believe anything in this case without a trial or the evidence to support all the many competing claims, etc.? That is what the justice system is for - not blogs nor the media. I would have said i didn't have enough evidence to come to a conclusion other than there was sufficient reasonable doubt presented and not enough evidence to convict her of anything. Her mental state of mind was not allowed full testimony in court by the prosecution - that alone would have produced sufficient doubt in my mind ... if i were on the jury ... and as a member of the public voicing my opinion and views on this blog about what i've witnessed about this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-84483200794353206052014-01-15T14:45:05.959-08:002014-01-15T14:45:05.959-08:00Duke was not on trial in the current case - they c...Duke was not on trial in the current case - they couldn't be held accountable. Whether the Daye family sued them and/or pursued a claim to hold them accountable, if they could prove negligence, is a different matter, and wouldn't have been relevant to the current case.<br /><br />I know no one wants to believe it, but really, even if it was malpractice, because Mangum was A proximate cause (she stabbed him), she'd be responsible. And, everyone can scream self-defense all they want, the Jury obviously believed his story over hers - namely that yes, he did attack her, yes, he did hit her, yes, he did drag her by her hair, but then he let her go and stopped the conflict, and she ran into the kitchen to get a knife and then came back at him (which would no longer be self-defense, the right to self-defense ends when the parties retreat from the conflict).<br /><br />They believed him, not her, hence no self-defense. Once you get beyond self-defense, then it's just a question of murder v. manslaughter. The ME specifically testified that the knife would was not the direct cause of the death, that it was a proximate cause of the death (because, again, while Walt has beaten everyone upside the head about this, Sid and the rest want to pretend it isn't true, just because they don't like it, EVEN IF IT WAS MALPRACTICE, that would not cut off Mangum's liability/criminal responsibility under our laws).<br /><br />What is Sid going to say whenever his next flog goes up: The ME identified a bunch of organs that he said were damaged, but he didn't photograph, and that the operative report NEVER indicated were repaired (the operative report only notes the colon and spleen). Dr. Nichols admitted that his report conflicts with the operative report. He also had pictures of a damaged lung (not infected, damaged).<br /><br />It was an incredibly sloppy report, with a lot of mistakes, and conflicted with the medical records and operative report (which were also sloppy and contained errors). None of that adds up to fraud, or any of the issues that Sid is going to claim, nor is it anything that her attorneys (and her) likely weren't fully aware of and explored - remember, they had a medical expert review everything and chose not to use that expert.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-46711020172847175602014-01-15T14:06:39.843-08:002014-01-15T14:06:39.843-08:00Duke is not held accountable by the duke/durham ju...Duke is not held accountable by the duke/durham justice system - just have to look at this current case to see that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-45286036257316853382014-01-15T11:58:07.226-08:002014-01-15T11:58:07.226-08:00BORING.....BORING.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-81870747496191474532014-01-15T11:49:07.048-08:002014-01-15T11:49:07.048-08:00Duke pays millions per year in malpractice lawsuit...Duke pays millions per year in malpractice lawsuits/settlements. If they cause harm they are held accountable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-66665907258509405532014-01-15T11:45:39.099-08:002014-01-15T11:45:39.099-08:00How bout all the poor (or dead) duke patients that...How bout all the poor (or dead) duke patients that have that to face the same thing if they are to obtain justice and relief from duke harming them and 'stop' them from harming others in the same way as them? If this is what duke must face, imagine what any patient or student or visitor to duke would have to face if duke harmed them in any way. No wonder duke just does what it wants, regardless of who they harm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-87390139814654789002014-01-15T06:55:00.862-08:002014-01-15T06:55:00.862-08:00Anonymous at 3:01 AM, I want to thank you for a re...Anonymous at 3:01 AM, I want to thank you for a reasoned defense of Nifong. It is refreshing to see someone make a point rationally. However, I disagree with your main point: <i>"But, Nifong was certainly not the villain he was/is portrayed to be by the Dukies, but he did make mistakes in handling the case."</i><br /><br />Nifong pursued a case without probable cause. That violates Rule 3.8(a) of the North Carolina Rules of Professional Conduct. He made statements that were materially false to the public in violation of Rule 3.8(f). Nifong lied to a Superior Court Judge and to opposing counsel about evidence, for which he was found in contempt. Nifong, in violation of NC law and <i>Maryland v. Brady</i> withheld exculpatory evidence. <br /><br /><i>"They shouldn't have cost him his job/license, but that's the problem with messing with powerful people."</i><br /><br />Thankfully, those powerful people were able to stand up to Nifong. How many poor and powerless people did he unjustly send to prison? The way he behaved, lying to the court, lying to the media, refusing to listen to defense counsel with an iron clad alibi, tells me Nifong had done this all before. It was finally he ran into people who both believed in the cause of justice and who had hte money to pay for a full measure of justice that stopped him. Otherwise, Nifong would still be sending the innocent to prison.<br /><br />Perhaps the most troubling statement you write is: <i>"Whether something happened or not that night (most people would say SOMETHING happened)...."</i><br /><br />If that is the case, then Nifong completely ignored the criminals. He deliberately set the guilty free. Of course, every time a prosecutor pursues an innocent person, he sets free a guilty one. <br /><br />Walt-in-DurhamWalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16064038481537517025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-35224684469824038282014-01-15T01:04:08.710-08:002014-01-15T01:04:08.710-08:00If the only feedback that the public receives abou...If the only feedback that the public receives about mental health in general, but also about the services that are rendered in the mental health system, and because of the mental health system are negative- then naturally there will be great misunderstandings and uninformed harmful actions and reactions to things that people normally associate with life and the balance of life and mental health, like in instances of grieving or protecting or defending or other traumatic and psychologically damaging or disturbing events, like dying, that happen to most people, or even some people, in normal human existence, because of these same misunderstandings and/or misinformation or lack of information and knowledge.<br /><br />So, if mental health is not understood but only manipulated and used as a means to make money and control the people for the benefit of the few, then at some point, would you not agree, the entire system and society will become sick and destructive due to the lack of simple informative knowledgeable education into the scientific realities of mental health versus the corporate pharma. and bush inc. manufactured version of their idea of mental health for the USA, and any other; based solely upon the abilities to control and line their pockets or promote their own self-interest over all other considerations for the people who are harmed by their policy making decisions, etc.<br /><br />I mean, CIT training - heck - everyone could use that type of training as long as it's not pharma. lead for their own monetary purposes and it IS based upon truly healthy understandings and intervetions - I mean everyone. At any point in any humans existence - the need to understand their own mental health (if nothing else) and the mental health of others would be the norm in an educated civilized society such as the USA strives and is thought to be by most, and as supported by the constitution and bill of rights, and laws, etc..<br /><br />It is insane to think that the people who are exposed to the realities of what the mental health system is truly about in the USA due to the corruption of the pharma and research corporations, etc. or who become aware of it and the harm that they see happening to others all around them in the news like happens and happened in NC, is something that they will also agree with as rational human beings. Not if they value their own or others mental health in any way, or the mental health of society in general. That's like asking USA citizens to follow hitler (or similar in nature re: insanity of a few that harms many) - why would they?<br /><br />A perfect example are the teens who both just committed suicide at their own hands with the same gun because they saw no other way to deal with the causation of temporary mental disturbance brought on by normal human experiences that they were not yet experienced or mature enough to deal with. The nonavailability and harmful nature of the mental health system is something that is well apparent and publicized in the area where they live and are educated. It is very easy to continue to connect the dots in that case that just happened this week in NC as well. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-39634128312909559202014-01-14T19:53:51.152-08:002014-01-14T19:53:51.152-08:00You might find that most people would probably agr...You might find that most people would probably agree that it is you who enjoys any attention you can muster from your trolling of this blog, or any blog. That is why YOU think that is what Dr. Harr or others are also about, because that is what you justify to yourself that he deserves along with anyone else who watches you do it to him unmercifully - non-stop, on duke's behalf. That's all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-9257411859631310192014-01-14T18:36:15.917-08:002014-01-14T18:36:15.917-08:00Anonymous asked:
"Do you really expect Dr. H...Anonymous asked:<br /><br />"Do you really expect Dr. Harr to answer to your trolling and bullying?"<br /><br />No. Sid has a history of making outrageous claims and then not backingthem up. I don't expect him to change. It deserves to be highlighted, though.<br /><br />Sidney is free to censor his blog, or stop blogging altogether, if he feels bullied. I suspect he enjoys the attention too much to do either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-81042855927325280332014-01-14T17:16:51.798-08:002014-01-14T17:16:51.798-08:00Anonymous 1/14 3:01pm:
I beg to disagree with you...Anonymous 1/14 3:01pm:<br /><br />I beg to disagree with your assessment of Nifong. While I agree that other DAs have committed greater perversions of justice than Nifong, I strongly support his well-deserved disbarment. I agree that many other prosecutors deserve equal or greater punishment. Unfortunately, the justice system protects prosecutors and police.<br /><br />Nifong did not just make "mistakes" as you suggest. He and the DPD attempted to frame three young men for a crime they almost certainly knew had never occurred. Despite a lack of credible evidence, they made no bona fide attempt to investigate the alleged crime. <br /><br />Nifong knew the identifications were unreliable and probably not admissible in court. He knew Mangum was an unreliable witness whose accusations were inconsistent with other evidence. He knew the SANE's statement was inconsistent with the exam.<br /><br />He knew he had no credible evidence, but he failed to insist that the police investigate. He indicted anyway. Why?<br /><br />You may think that a DA who attempts a deliberate frame is a nice guy who doesn't deserve to lose his job. I disagree. <br /><br />You may think that a DA who lies in court about the evidence is a nice guy who doesn't deserve to lose his job. I disagree.<br /><br />We agree that other prosecutors have deserved harsh punishment for misconduct. The failure to punish them does not excuse Nifong.<br /><br />Prosecutors have immense power. Due to absolute immunity there are few checks. Any prosecutor who betrays the trust place in him deserves severe punishment.Harr Supporternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-9648266923653105612014-01-14T15:49:37.965-08:002014-01-14T15:49:37.965-08:00Since the defense of Ms. Mangum in this current ca...Since the defense of Ms. Mangum in this current case depends on the ethics, morality, and actions/non-actions of these same powerful people ... there is very clear and evidenced reasons and causes to suspect them of criminal, intentional, and malicious foulplay and malpractice in this case.<br /><br />We the people do not actually have to put up with what these powerful people dish unto those they deem to asert their power over if it causes harm and/or is criminal or malintentioned, etc. in the USA court of law (even if it is controlled by these same powerful people), or otherwise. <br /><br />These cases should not have to be tried in the court of public opinion over and over and over again, with duke just feeding on the publicity and chaos and using that for their own purposes of control and power, and to cause even more harm. <br /><br />At some point, a resounding NO needs to be extracted from the bench - for the people - against these power mongering sources of harm of the many for the benefit and purposes of the few. <br /><br />They are not duke anymore - they are a bunch of people as sick as all the rest that you see who run the course they are on. <br /><br />It is very hard to just watch ... almost impossible if you understand the level and degree of harm that they 'do' - and then watch duke/durham/nc/USA justice system just shrug it off back onto the people to deal with and get harmed from further ... that is criminal in itself - don't you think? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-47003782597075256772014-01-14T15:01:33.619-08:002014-01-14T15:01:33.619-08:00Nifong made a mistake in how he handled the case (...Nifong made a mistake in how he handled the case (something even he admits). Whether something happened or not that night (most people would say SOMETHING happened), unfortunately mistakes were made in the handling of the case, which led to other issues.<br /><br />But, overall, while I disagree with Sid that Nifong was the be all/end all of DAs, he wasn't/isn't a bad guy, and didn't do a bad job as DA, so the constant vilifying makes little sense, and is irrational, though the constant heaping on a pedestal isn't much better.<br /><br />But, Nifong was certainly not the villain he was/is portrayed to be by the Dukies, but he did make mistakes in handling the case. They shouldn't have cost him his job/license, but that's the problem with messing with powerful people.<br /><br />It's sad that no DA loses their job over other obvious injustices (and no, I don't mean this case - this case wasn't/isn't the injustice Sid pretends - I guarantee he won't come up with anything in his FLOG that her attorneys didn't already consider). But, look at all the people released from death row, etc., for innocence, and no consequences to the DA who lied and set them up.<br /><br />You can disagree with the verdict in the Mangum case, but it wasn't obtained by prosecutorial misconduct and lies.<br /><br />It is impressive that Sid allows all comments, he could censor them, but I suspect he likes the attention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-86037853860743260272014-01-14T14:16:08.884-08:002014-01-14T14:16:08.884-08:00Do you really expect Dr. Harr to answer to your tr...Do you really expect Dr. Harr to answer to your trolling and bullying?<br /><br />Just wondering?<br /><br />You are addicted to the adreneline you felt when everyone bullied Dr. Harr here in mass, aren't you? You actually do not give a hoot about any of the real issues - only the game of the thrill of the hate mongering adrenaline coupled with duke sports winnings that you felt with that case or duke sports and now crave so you create more bullying trolling drama to satisfy your needs, regardless of who or how many you may harm. That is sad for you ... you may want to stop ... just to see if you can. Try it, we'll see if you are able to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-56189394744918769642014-01-14T14:00:07.010-08:002014-01-14T14:00:07.010-08:00Sid said:
"That's an easy one. Go to the...Sid said:<br /><br />"That's an easy one. Go to the web site and you will see the names and faces of members of the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong. Need I say more?"<br /><br />Yes. I know that you have picture of people on your website, but that does not answer my questions. So, I will ask again:<br /><br />1. Please list as many people as you can who CURRENTLY support Mike Nifong.<br /><br />2. Please show where and how they have expressed their current support for Mike Nifong (eg., letters to the editor, petitions, participation at public events, donations, etc.).<br /><br />I'll give you a pass on the wise and knowledgeable part. They just need to be actual people who currently support Nifong and have actually expressed their support in some way. They can be as dumb as rocks. <br /><br />You made the claim, now back it up. For once.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-67075249776042858032014-01-14T05:37:06.574-08:002014-01-14T05:37:06.574-08:00If I had to guess, I would say that this idiot who...If I had to guess, I would say that this idiot who runs his or her mouth about Duke in an incomprehensible grammar-challenged manner, is actually somebody who (a)didn't get a job at Duke, or, (b)got their butt fired from Duke,or, (c)sidney or his daughter or victoria the bigot just being cute............<br />whatever the case, this whole site has become nothing but a BORING waste of bandwidth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-25180829938255795472014-01-14T03:15:20.794-08:002014-01-14T03:15:20.794-08:00Duke lacrosse starts on February 8th against Jacks...Duke lacrosse starts on February 8th against Jacksonville.Let's all wish the Blue Devils the very best.I hope they win the NCAA championship again this year.Those guys are real winners unlike Mangum and Nifong who are complete losers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-77923333367436986672014-01-13T18:56:44.562-08:002014-01-13T18:56:44.562-08:00continuing ...
... or like the kid who just torch...continuing ...<br /><br />... or like the kid who just torched his parents house, rammed his families SUV into the front door of the local chatholic church, set fire to the sanctuary, and then committed suicide in the church parking lot ... in good 'ol duke/durham/nc/usa land<br /><br />... guess it doesn't matter how he actually killed himself ... thoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-54434436011361950972014-01-13T17:38:47.901-08:002014-01-13T17:38:47.901-08:00ok ... i'm lost in your moronic accusation of ...ok ... i'm lost in your moronic accusation of me for something ? (puttin words in your mouth - seriously - which ones? ???)<br /><br />hmmmm <br /><br />trying to come up with another discriptive troll moniker for you other than evil duke troll to satisfy your need to amuse yourself on my behalf<br /><br />how bout ... evil duke trollie?<br /><br />???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-88082642543027801692014-01-13T17:32:50.344-08:002014-01-13T17:32:50.344-08:00I have no idea what you refer to when you say i ne...<i>I have no idea what you refer to when you say i need to apologize for puttin words in your mouth - which ones?</i><br /><br />You may start with the specific complaint I made. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-89535782042217181382014-01-13T17:19:52.155-08:002014-01-13T17:19:52.155-08:00I have no idea what you refer to when you say i ne...I have no idea what you refer to when you say i need to apologize for puttin words in your mouth - which ones?<br /><br />???<br /><br />no - others on this blog demand sheat so you and your trollies can further have something to debunk and ridicule - not giving a hoot about the harm that is caused by duke inc. that is being discussed - only that those doing the discussing about duke's harm are dissed<br /><br />that IS duke btwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-68873442082871127702014-01-13T17:08:32.311-08:002014-01-13T17:08:32.311-08:00That you are a dukie - so any harm duke does - you...<i>That you are a dukie - so any harm duke does - you will ignore and try to harm or discredit others who point out the harm they do in efforts to stop the harm for all?</i><br /><br />No. I am not a Dukie. I have no affiliation with nor do I have any affinity for Duke.<br /><br />I never excused any harm Duke does. You made that up. I ask that you apologize for inaccurately putting words in my mouth. <br /><br />You would do well to provide in your accusations. Most of the posters on this board have no Duke connections. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-48294890444902542702014-01-13T16:52:39.563-08:002014-01-13T16:52:39.563-08:00seriously ... what are you trying to say anyway? ...seriously ... what are you trying to say anyway? That you are a dukie - so any harm duke does - you will ignore and try to harm or discredit others who point out the harm they do in efforts to stop the harm for all?<br /><br />yeah ... rightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-8262274708703794362014-01-13T16:36:51.842-08:002014-01-13T16:36:51.842-08:00Yes, I do think the conclusion i suggested facetio...Yes, I do think the conclusion i suggested facetiously is moronic. However, you apparently seek to cast blame quite broadly with no greater causation. Perhaps you should rethink your own conclusions lest someone draw unfair conclusions about your capacity to reason.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-13012203768365827982014-01-13T16:24:17.737-08:002014-01-13T16:24:17.737-08:00Actually, I don't agree with you thinking you ...Actually, I don't agree with you thinking you can blow your brains off because you think a discussion on this blog about NAMI and the mental health and otherwise systems and the harm that duke does to all in this state, USA, etc. with their corrupt and irresponsible leadership and participation and negligent malicious input into the practices and consequences of the pharma industry, research that causes harm to many or any, public and health policy making that destroys and harms others well-being or others' abilities to thrive for the profit of a few over the well-being of society and/or any patient - is moronic (especially if you think your malicious trolling or actions on duke's behalf isn't) - especially pertaining to discussions about mental health and duke's harmful practices and actions - would be grounds to charge me with murder if YOU blew YOUR head off. Do you? THAT would be rather moronic - don't you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com