tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post8897859474735867703..comments2024-03-26T13:03:49.523-07:00Comments on justice4nifong: Challenge to the N&O’s Barry SaundersNifong Supporterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-9323226580782393472011-03-26T20:52:27.171-07:002011-03-26T20:52:27.171-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-60325956554442979752011-03-13T18:20:31.237-07:002011-03-13T18:20:31.237-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-49378578086592485002011-03-13T10:44:20.267-07:002011-03-13T10:44:20.267-07:00Anonymous said...
"Five years and still no ex...<i><br />Anonymous said...<br />"Five years and still no explanation about why the DPD tried to frame the defendants."<br /></i><br /><br />The only person the Durham Police Department framed was Crystal Mangum when they ordered her out of her apartment then set some clothing in the bathtub on fire, and then proceeded to have the prosecution charge her with first degree arson.<br /><br />What proof do you have that the DPD tried to frame the Duke Lacrosse defendants?Nifong Supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-67618907412495554122011-03-13T10:40:29.115-07:002011-03-13T10:40:29.115-07:00guiowen said...
"Sidney,
Did you notice Dr. O...<i><br />guiowen said...<br />"Sidney,<br />Did you notice Dr. Obfuscation himself, Brian Meehan, is appealing the summary judgment that closed his wrongful termination suit? There should be lots of interesting documents there."<br /></i><br /><br />I'm glad that he is appealing and I hope that he is granted an opportunity to pursue his wrongful termination suit. If so, I would look forward to information coming out, which I am sure would be favorable to Mike Nifong.Nifong Supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-25232699057716876272011-03-13T09:07:03.881-07:002011-03-13T09:07:03.881-07:00Five years and still no explanation about why the ...Five years and still no explanation about why the DPD tried to frame the defendants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-34352821008337742642011-03-13T08:48:31.102-07:002011-03-13T08:48:31.102-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-16625109328847710052011-03-12T20:54:17.578-08:002011-03-12T20:54:17.578-08:00Duke lacrosse just beat Loyola.They're moving ...Duke lacrosse just beat Loyola.They're moving up in the rankings just like last year when they won the national championship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-51724221696911619282011-03-11T20:45:10.276-08:002011-03-11T20:45:10.276-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-36946300783187569602011-03-11T18:54:04.617-08:002011-03-11T18:54:04.617-08:00ogliK,
Get your thumb out of your butt.ogliK,<br /><br />Get your thumb out of your butt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-90985621620446888632011-03-11T15:11:01.422-08:002011-03-11T15:11:01.422-08:00Sidney,
Did you notice Dr. Obfuscation himself, Br...Sidney,<br />Did you notice Dr. Obfuscation himself, Brian Meehan, is appealing the summary judgment that closed his wrongful termination suit? There should be lots of interesting documents there.guiowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904401455585682885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-51925850016583774022011-03-11T13:22:51.538-08:002011-03-11T13:22:51.538-08:00Walt said...
"'The prosecution proceeded ...<i><br /> Walt said...<br />"'The prosecution proceeded with the case based solely on the victim's testimony. Likewise, Nifong pursued the prosecution of the three Duke Lacrosse defendants based on the testimony of the victim.'<br /><br />Syd, which version of Crystal's testimony? She told so many and some of them were mutually exclusive. When you have no consistent witness testimony and the physical evidence clears the suspects that's called a prosecution without probable cause. A frame. Certainly that's not what you believe is the equal application of the law. <br /><br />Many times you have said that the only way to get to the truth is to have a trial. Yet, you wrote: 'Walt, Mike Nifong never lied to the court. Neither Judge Osmond Smith III, nor the State Bar's F. Lane Williamson are mind-readers and can determine that Nifong lied.' In Nifong's case telling that he lied was tried, not once but twice and both times he was convicted. Further, determining he lied wasn't too difficult. He was asked in the May hearing if he had turned over all the exculpatory evidence. He said he had. He was asked again in September. He replied that he had. Then, he turned over more evidence after the September hearing that demonstrated his two in court statements were untrue. Not tough to figure out he was lying both times. For Nifong, the liar, things only got worse. At his contempt trial Judge Morey, his own witness, admitted he lied. She just said it was acceptable conduct for a prosecutor. <br /><br />Walt-in-Durham"<br /></i><br /><br />Just because someone is convicted of something is not proof of his/her guilt. Many individuals are falsely convicted of crimes in which later they are found to be innocent... Gregory Taylor and Alan Gell just to name a couple.<br /><br />Mike Nifong, in believing that all of the thousands of pages of documents had been turned over to the defense, did not lie when he told the court that everything had been submitted.<br /><br />With regards to "his witness, Judge Morey," I am unaware of any admission that he lied. Could you provide a reference?Nifong Supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-68706752534148464862011-03-11T13:08:10.365-08:002011-03-11T13:08:10.365-08:00Don't feed the troll.Don't feed the troll.guiowenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11904401455585682885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-73387946991784739032011-03-11T10:18:20.605-08:002011-03-11T10:18:20.605-08:00Kilgo you are such a moron.Kilgo you are such a moron.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-39946498261414016062011-03-11T08:02:24.203-08:002011-03-11T08:02:24.203-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-84683224872816116942011-03-11T07:17:19.677-08:002011-03-11T07:17:19.677-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-10354672999523919272011-03-10T20:42:22.375-08:002011-03-10T20:42:22.375-08:00"The prosecution proceeded with the case base...<i>"The prosecution proceeded with the case based solely on the victim's testimony. Likewise, Nifong pursued the prosecution of the three Duke Lacrosse defendants based on the testimony of the victim."</i><br /><br />Syd, which version of Crystal's testimony? She told so many and some of them were mutually exclusive. When you have no consistent witness testimony and the physical evidence clears the suspects that's called a prosecution without probable cause. A frame. Certainly that's not what you believe is the equal application of the law. <br /><br />Many times you have said that the only way to get to the truth is to have a trial. Yet, you wrote: <i>"Walt, Mike Nifong never lied to the court. Neither Judge Osmond Smith III, nor the State Bar's F. Lane Williamson are mind-readers and can determine that Nifong lied."</i> In Nifong's case telling that he lied was tried, not once but twice and both times he was convicted. Further, determining he lied wasn't too difficult. He was asked in the May hearing if he had turned over all the exculpatory evidence. He said he had. He was asked again in September. He replied that he had. Then, he turned over more evidence after the September hearing that demonstrated his two in court statements were untrue. Not tough to figure out he was lying both times. For Nifong, the liar, things only got worse. At his contempt trial Judge Morey, his own witness, admitted he lied. She just said it was acceptable conduct for a prosecutor. <br /><br />Walt-in-DurhamWalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16064038481537517025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-33603046005747359202011-03-10T16:25:27.043-08:002011-03-10T16:25:27.043-08:00There was no gang rape.The crimes that happened in...There was no gang rape.The crimes that happened in this case were a false accusation of rape and a fraudulent prosecution of three innocent young men.Mike Nifong knew all along that the gang rape had never happened and he attempted to use the AA community in Durham for his own selfish purpose.He must have thought that AA's are so dumb they wouldn't be able to figure out that this was a hoax.That's real racism unlike calling a drunk prostitute the N-word which the three young men never did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-83556620357279462122011-03-10T16:19:20.548-08:002011-03-10T16:19:20.548-08:00Everything Nifong Suppoter said about the lacrosse...Everything Nifong Suppoter said about the lacrosse team was refuted by Jim Coleman.None of the three falsely accused players used the n-word or ever urinated in public.They also weren't ogling Crystal Mangum.All of the guys at the party said they weren't attracted to her,even Devin Sherwood who is an African-American.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-37735758327500190242011-03-10T14:18:03.748-08:002011-03-10T14:18:03.748-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-81221000429646163272011-03-10T13:57:34.197-08:002011-03-10T13:57:34.197-08:00Walt said...
"'Finally, Mr. Nifong is an ...<i><br />Walt said...<br />"'Finally, Mr. Nifong is an honorable prosecutor who acted in good faith in an attempt to apply justice fairly and equally.'<br /><br />Nothing could be farther from the truth. Nifong gave 60+ interviews where he misrepresented the facts. Nifong lied in court, was tried and convicted for that. Nifong continued prosecution of the case long after it was obvious to all, including him, that there was no physical evidence to corroborate Crystal's story. Not to mention the fact that Crystal told so many different stories. Nifong concealed exculpatory evidence from the defense even after he was ordered to turn it over. In connection with all that, Nifong was tried and disbarred. <br /><br />The record is abundantly clear that Nifong did not attempt to apply justice fairly or equally. What he did was try to frame three innocent men. <br /><br />Walt-in-Durham"<br /></i><br /><br />Walt, Mike Nifong never lied to the court. Neither Judge Osmond Smith III, nor the State Bar's F. Lane Williamson are mind-readers and can determine that Nifong lied. If someone makes a statement that may tend to be incorrect, it cannot be determined that the person lied. Someone, such as Mr. Nifong, who made statements in good faith that he believed to be accurate cannnot be accused of lying regardless of the accuracy of the statement.<br /><br />Mr. Nifong did not attempt to frame three men, no more than the prosecutors of Ronald Cotton. The witness in the Cotton case believed Cotton was her assailant even though no physical evidence linked him to the crime. The prosecution proceeded with the case based solely on the victim's testimony. Likewise, Nifong pursued the prosecution of the three Duke Lacrosse defendants based on the testimony of the victim.<br /><br />If you are looking for a case where the state is trying to frame someone, then I would refer you to the "arson case" of February 17, 2010 against Crystal Mangum in which Durham Police (the only ones with the motive, means, and opportunity) set clothes on fire in the bathtub, made no attempt to extinguish it, called out the Durham Fire Department in the middle of the night, and charged Ms. Mangum with first degree arson... along with attempted first degree murder.Nifong Supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-47831459171838209202011-03-10T13:45:13.122-08:002011-03-10T13:45:13.122-08:00Anonymous said...
"Officer Shelton said that ...<i><br />Anonymous said...<br />"Officer Shelton said that Crystal was passed out drunk and she already had a DUI conviction.I would never hold anyone responsible for being falsely accused of rape as the lacrosse players were.Nobody deserves to be called a rapist if they are innocent.They had no reputation as criminals unlike Crystal Mangum who has since been in trouble with the law.Jim Coleman refuted all of that non-sense in his report.He happens to be African-American,not that should matter.Drinking beer and having parties isn't what a normal person with an IQ above room tempature would consider a crime."<br /></i><br /><br />Was Officer Shelton's opinions about Crystal Mangum substantiated by lab results or merely based on his assumptions?<br /><br />Also, drinking beer and partying is not a crime in and of itself, however, underaged drinking is, if I am not mistaken. And, also, if I am not mistaken, there was under-aged drinking at the Duke Lacrosse beer-guzzling, stripper ogling party. <br /><br />In addition, the Duke lacrosse team had a reputation that far exceeded merely drinking beer and partying. They had reputations of having raucous and lewd behavior, urinating in public, infractions involving alcohol and driving, and discourteous, inconsiderate and rude treatment of others. Furhtermore they used racial epithets including the "n-word."Nifong Supporterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00893537130835998222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-20539104108422829872011-03-10T12:04:58.628-08:002011-03-10T12:04:58.628-08:00"Secondly, you seem to want to hold the beer-...<i>"Secondly, you seem to want to hold the beer-guzzling, stripper-ogling Duke lacrosse partygoers free of any responsibility for the events that transpired the night of March 13, 2006."</i><br /><br />It is abundantly clear that no memeber of the Duke lacrosse team and noone who attended the March 13, 2006 party had anything to do with raping Crystal Mangum, if she was indeed raped. <br /><br />Walt-in-DurhamWalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16064038481537517025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-24494552687149366992011-03-10T11:57:56.693-08:002011-03-10T11:57:56.693-08:00"Finally, Mr. Nifong is an honorable prosecut...<i>"Finally, Mr. Nifong is an honorable prosecutor who acted in good faith in an attempt to apply justice fairly and equally."</i><br /><br />Nothing could be farther from the truth. Nifong gave 60+ interviews where he misrepresented the facts. Nifong lied in court, was tried and convicted for that. Nifong continued prosecution of the case long after it was obvious to all, including him, that there was no physical evidence to corroborate Crystal's story. Not to mention the fact that Crystal told so many different stories. Nifong concealed exculpatory evidence from the defense even after he was ordered to turn it over. In connection with all that, Nifong was tried and disbarred. <br /><br />The record is abundantly clear that Nifong did not attempt to apply justice fairly or equally. What he did was try to frame three innocent men. <br /><br />Walt-in-DurhamWalthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16064038481537517025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-74927911571427109472011-03-10T10:41:26.999-08:002011-03-10T10:41:26.999-08:00Officer Shelton said that Crystal was passed out d...Officer Shelton said that Crystal was passed out drunk and she already had a DUI conviction.I would never hold anyone responsible for being falsely accused of rape as the lacrosse players were.Nobody deserves to be called a rapist if they are innocent.They had no reputation as criminals unlike Crystal Mangum who has since been in trouble with the law.Jim Coleman refuted all of that non-sense in his report.He happens to be African-American,not that should matter.Drinking beer and having parties isn't what a normal person with an IQ above room tempature would consider a crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773293499407151140.post-50912777097784804782011-03-10T08:51:20.525-08:002011-03-10T08:51:20.525-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Great Kilgohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00466143140155206679noreply@blogger.com