Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Flog 18: Charges against Crystal Mangum - corruption, conspiracy, and cover-up

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Flog 18: Crystal Mangum – corruption, conspiracy, and cover-up

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 In the beginning of March 2011, Reginald Daye, a man in his mid-forties, was back on the job after having been recently laid off work as a painter. Mr. Daye had seemed to have turned his life around from his earlier days of misdemeanor crimes. A couple of the crimes for which he was charged included assault… one assault on a female.

In addition to traffic violations and petty crimes, Reginald Daye had a history of drug use which he managed to kick over time… however, his addiction to alcohol was one which he had not been able to beat. According to Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser, he would consume a case of beer on weekdays and down a gallon of whiskey on weekends.


These drinking habits of Daye were observed by Crystal Mangum because around the beginning of March 2011, she and her three young children moved into Reginald Daye’s apartment at his invitation. Months prior to their cohabitation, Daye, attracted by Mangum’s notorious celebrity, sought a relationship with her, and around the middle of January 2011 he introduced himself to her.


After living together during the month of March 2011, their platonic relationship became an intimate one. According to Ms. Mangum, she brought some clothes along with a washing machine and dryer to the arrangement, and helped pay the rent.


It was after she had moved in with Daye that Crystal noticed his jealous nature as he confiscated her cell phone to monitor who she communicated with and for his own personal use.


Crystal Mangum noted that Reginald Daye had a pair of brass knuckles, and he admitted to her that he owned a gun, although she states that she never saw it. Daye also acknowledged to her that in the past he had been physically abusive with his girlfriends, but up until the morning of April 3, 2011, he never laid a hand on her.


On March 25, 2011, Reginald Daye purchased a cashier’s check for $300, and on April 1, 2011, he purchased a cashier’s check for $400, both checks totaling $700 to cover the rent. On both checks the payee was listed as the apartment’s owner and Reginald Daye’s name was down as the remitter.


On the days they were purchased, March 25th and April 1, 2011, Mr. Daye gave both cashier’s checks to Crystal. Because he was scheduled to be at work during the apartment office hours on Monday, April 4, 2011, he instructed Crystal to visit the office and deliver the April rent in the form of the two cashier’s checks. Crystal placed both checks in her purse for safekeeping at the time she received them.


In the late evening of Saturday, April 2, 2011, Reginald and Crystal attended a birthday party. Daye drank prior to their arrival at the party at 11:00 pm, and imbibed alcohol while at the party. Ms. Mangum’s alcoholic consumption consisted of two Jell-o shots (Jell-o made using gin), and a drink containing gin. After an hour or so, the two left the party and returned to the apartment they shared.


At the apartment, Crystal Mangum saw a police officer she knew who was on the apartment grounds. They greeted each other and began to chitchat. Reginald Daye became angry with the attention Mangum was giving the officer and began demanding that she leave and accompany him into the apartment. When Mangum stalled, Daye became enraged, and proceeded to engage her in a heated argument.


Crystal became frightened and concerned about Daye’s behavior and went to the officer and asked him to drive her to her aunt’s house. The officer refused and told Mangum and Daye to take their argument inside of their apartment.


While Daye was forcibly dragging Mangum up the stairs, she sustained a cut on her right knee.


Once inside the apartment, the terror for Crystal Mangum would begin and last approximately an hour, from around two to three in the morning. In the living room, he punched her in the face and spit on her. When she ran to the master bedroom, he pursued; tackling her with the two of them on the bed. Mangum clung tight to the mattress as Daye lifted her and it up and deposited them on the floor.


After Crystal managed to free herself from Daye she ran to the bathroom in the master bedroom and locked the door behind her. Daye proceeded to kick in the door knocking it off its hinges, and he grabbed Crystal by her hair and drug her back into the bedroom… clumps of her hair being deposited by the bathroom door and on the mattress.


Mangum tried to grab her purse in order to flee, but Daye blocked her. Sometime thereafter he demanded that Crystal get up and leave the apartment. Anxious to comply, Daye held her down and told her, “You’re not going anywhere.”


After a period of time, Daye went to another part of the apartment momentarily leaving her alone in the bedroom. He later returned with a pot of boiling water and then left again. When Daye returned minutes later, he had a set of steak knives and began to throw them at her as she tried to shield herself with the mattress.


Crystal stated that Reginald Daye then began eerily having a conversation with himself discussing whether or not to kill her and finally concluding to do so.


With steak knives strewn around the bedroom, Daye got on top of Crystal and he gouged at her left eye with his fingernails, leaving small lacerations. She tried to push him off but to no avail. He then put both of his hands around her neck and began to choke her.


Crystal’s head throbbing with the strangulation, she grabbed a steak knife that was lying about and stabbed Daye once in the left side of his torso. Daye then got up and yelled, “You stabbed me, Bitch!”


Crystal got up grabbed her purse, which contained the two cashier’s checks, and fled the apartment. Daye gave pursuit as Crystal ran for her life into the woods nearby the housing complex. She did not know exactly when Daye gave up the chase. Once free of imminent danger, Crystal Mangum began walking to her aunt’s residence.


Reginald Daye went to the apartment in the same complex in which Carlos Wilson, his nephew, lived and told him that Crystal had stabbed him. Evidently they both told police and investigators that Crystal took his money, then stabbed him and fled … the only version presented by the mainstream media.


Daye, who was walking around his apartment when EMS arrived, was instructed to sit down while the paramedics administered to his wound.


Meanwhile, Ms. Mangum arrived at her aunt’s house at 4:00 a.m., and according to her aunt’s statement to police, upon opening the door Crystal was crying and said, “He beat me.”


Police were directed to Crystal’s aunt’s house by Reginald Daye’s nephew as a place at which Ms. Mangum may have fled. Officers found Crystal lying on the floor and in enough distress to request their assistance in helping her stand up. Crystal was then arrested and taken to headquarters.


According to police notes, Crystal Mangum was cooperative in signing a consent to photograph her injuries and wanted to give a statement to police. However, after she was told that she was under arrest for assaulting Daye and read her Miranda Rights, and without any legal counsel present, Ms. Mangum wisely refused to say anything to the officer.


In other words, Ms. Mangum was placed under arrest before any investigating officer or police even took a statement from her about what had transpired. She was arrested without having a chance to give her side of the story, and placed under a $300,000 bail.


Two days later, on Tuesday, April 5, 2011, a police officer went to the apartment of Crystal’s aunt and retrieved from her the two cashier’s checks that Crystal had carried in her purse.


Confiscation of these two cashier’s checks would become the basis for the two count charge of larceny against Ms. Mangum.


After Reginald Daye’s arrival at the hospital by ambulance on Sunday, April 3, 2011, he was assessed to be stable enough for an abdominal CAT scan prior to rushing him into surgery. Contrast confirmed a perforation in the colon at the splenic flexure. A chest x-ray showed no sign of a pneumothorax or other lesion to the left lung.


In his preoperative orthopedic consultation, the doctor found that all four extremities were normal without any breaks in the skin or lacerations.


Reginald Daye underwent an emergency abdominal laparotomy the morning of April 3, 2011, during which a laceration to the colon was noted and repaired with sutures while a minor lesion to the spleen was observed and repaired with electrocautery and surgi-cel.


The operative report specifically states that the stomach was normal and that there was no bleeding or lesions in the left kidney bed. There was no mention of the diaphragm or left lung in the surgical report.


In addition to the stab wound, Daye was also noted to have an extremely high blood alcohol level of 296 mg/dL… which would put a non-alcoholic adult male in a stupor. To ward off any signs or complications of delirium tremens, Daye was begun on a regimen of benzodiazepine sedatives soon after his admission to the hospital.


Surgery for the stab wound was uneventful and Daye was expected to make a full recovery.


During the days immediately following surgery, Daye was noted to have episodes of agitation, which were attributed to his withdrawal from alcohol, and he received sedatives to treat them.


On Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Daye was noted to have some respiratory distress and a diagnostic procedure was ordered which required oral contrast. The contrast agent was introduced through a tube from the nose leading into the stomach and sometime thereafter, it triggered emesis.


Concern about protecting the airway and providing high concentrations of oxygen led to the decision to intubate. Daye was then intubated with an 8 mm diameter tube, however the confirmatory EtCO2 test for its proper placement was negative. This resulted in a visual inspection of the tube’s placement, which was deemed to be properly positioned, and the tube was left in place.


In actuality the tube was not in the trachea and the lungs were deprived of oxygen. Subsequently, the blood cells were unable to carry life-requiring oxygen to the cells of the body.


Cells of the brain are the most sensitive to oxygen deprivation, and they died relatively quickly. When the muscles and tissues of the heart were denied oxygen, a cardiac arrest ensued.


Cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) was begun at this time and the endotracheal tube that had been mis-positioned was removed, and a smaller 7.5 mm tube inserted. This time the confirmatory EtCO2 test for placement was positive. With oxygenated blood flow restored, most of the cells throughout the body began to recover, and as a result the heart was resuscitated. Unfortunately, the brain cells had been without oxygen too long… the outcome being that Daye was brain dead with a grim prognosis that he would never awaken from a comatose state.


Reginald Daye was placed on life support and kept alive for a week, during which time the media remained silent about his condition… never informing the public that Daye had lost consciousness and had been in a coma since April 6, 2011.


On Wednesday, April 13, 2011, after seven days of monitoring his comatose condition while on life support, the family of Reginald Daye consented to have him electively removed from procedures which had sustained his life for a week, and shortly thereafter he expired.


The media coverage of Daye’s death was vague, superficial, and did not go into specifics. Only one source even mentioned that his removal from life support preceded his death. In addition, the media lacked any curiosity about the nuts and bolts of Daye’s death.


Lacking an official autopsy report specifying the exact cause of death, Durham prosecutor Kelly Gauger got a grand jury to indict Crystal Mangum for the first degree murder of Reginald Daye. Mangum was also indicted on two counts of larceny, one for each of the two cashier’s checks that Daye had given to her and were in her possession following the incident of April 3, 2011… cashier’s checks which she could not have possibly converted to money for her own use.


Her bail was increased from $300,000 to $500,000 with the upgraded charge of murder. However, in June 2011, Superior Court Judge Orlando Hudson reduced Mangum’s bail from half a million dollars to $200,000 after reasonably questioning whether the stab wound actually caused Daye’s death.


Although the single mother of three, Crystal Mangum was the victim of domestic violence, unlawful imprisonment by Daye, and a victim of malicious prosecution by the Durham prosecutor, the mainstream media portrayed her as a villain who was incapable of telling the truth, was mentally unstable, and preyed upon men, especially boyfriends.


Without exception, media accounts related to the April 3, 2011 incident devoted significant portions of their reports to the rehashing the Duke Lacrosse case and making false and misleading statements about the Duke Lacrosse defendants being exonerated and claiming as fact that Ms. Mangum lied about being sexually assaulted at the Duke Lacrosse beer-guzzling, stripper-ogling bacchanal.


Approximately four month later, in early August 2011, the autopsy report was released to the public which included findings not supported by the operative report and other medical records. For example, the Autopsy Examination Report of April 14, 2011 falsely stated that the stab wound inflicted by Mangum punctured Daye’s left lung, diaphragm, left kidney, and the stomach. This is all fabrication, as the only internal injuries sustained by the stab wound were to the colon and a minor wound to the spleen. In addition, the autopsy report noted old wounds to the left upper extremity which were suspicious of being “defensive wounds,” however a preoperative examination by an orthopedic surgeon during a consultation reported “no appreciable lacerations or skin breaks in the visualized areas of his four extremities.”


The Autopsy Examination Report of April 14, 2011 is false and misleading in concluding that Reginald Daye’s death was due to “complications of stab wound to chest.” There is no nexus established between the stab wound, which was successfully treated at surgery, and Daye’s brain death and removal from life support. This report fails to mention that Daye was comatose, was on life support, and that he died after being electively removed from life support.


The Investigative Autopsy Report of April 13, 2011 also came to a false and misleading conclusion attributing Daye’s death to “stab wound to chest” and declaring it was a homicide. This document is notable for its omissions in that it failed to mention that Daye was intubated prior to having a cardiac arrest, and it failed to mention that Daye passed away after being removed from life support.


Despite the fact that the prosecution’s case against Mangum for the murder and larceny charges was baseless, her attorney Chris Shella never filed a motion to dismiss the charges. After successfully getting bail reduced to $200,000 in June 2011, Mr. Shella attempted to get bail further reduced to $100,000 in November 2011, and again in March 2012.


The March 2012 bail reduction hearing was before Judge Osmond Smith III who was the judge in the Duke Lacrosse case and made what a reasonable person with full knowledge of the facts could be construed as a malicious ruling when he ordered Ms. Mangum to present Duke Lacrosse defense attorneys with results of a paternity test of her newborn after it had been ruled out by DNA and history that none of the Duke Lacrosse defendants could have possibly sired the baby. Despite this history, Judge Smith made no effort to recuse himself.


Having also sentenced former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong to 24 hours in jail in 2007, Judge Smith quickly denied Shella’s request for a reduced bail to $100,000 at the March hearing.


As the one year anniversary of her incarceration rolled around with no sign of any action by her attorney, Ms. Mangum sought help from Sidney B. Harr. A retired physician, Harr recognized serious problems and inaccuracies with the autopsy report and agreed to help Ms. Mangum draft some motions that she could file Pro Se.


Having no legal training and not being a lawyer, Harr was not aware that by assisting Mangum with the drafting of the motions that he would be in violation of North Carolina statutes.


He agreed to help Ms. Mangum because she had no access to the internet or a law library. In order to draft the motions he requested some of the prosecution’s discovery documents, including police reports and medical records. She sent the documents to Harr, and after he drafted the motion, she signed them. Because she was incarcerated, Harr physically took the motions to the Criminal Clerk of Court in Durham where they were filed.


With knowledge that the mainstream media had concealed true events of the case from the masses and made misleading statements putting Ms. Mangum in a negative light, Harr published some pertinent discovery documents online so that the public could get a more balance picture of events that transpired related to the April 3, 2011 self-defense stabbing incident.


Upon learning that his client had shared discovery with Harr, Attorney Shella asked the Court to release him from representing Crystal Mangum… a request which was granted.


Defense attorney Woody Vann has since been appointed to represent Ms. Mangum against the two charges now pending of first degree murder and larceny.


On Tuesday, May 22, 2012, Attorney Vann received from Mangum’s prior attorney Chris Shella, approximately seven or eight disks containing the prosecution’s discovery. He immediately recognized the discrepancies between the medical records and the autopsy report, and he is making it his top priority to obtain a consultation with a forensic pathologist to review the autopsy findings of the county medical examiner.


This action should have been executed by the defense attorney on day one… or shortly thereafter. Findings by the forensic pathologist will substantiate my assertion that the autopsy report, upon which the prosecution is basing its murder charge, is fraudulent and is totally lacking in credibility.


The forthcoming truth, as will be contained in the pathologist’s report, is one key to opening the jail doors and setting Crystal Mangum free. The report should be available in a matter of weeks…

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Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"Keep in mind that she went to that assignment based on false pretext made by a Duke Lacrosse player that it was to be entertainment for a small bachelor party of four or five."

Keep in mind that Crystal acted under false pretenses, that she was white. The Duke Lacrosse players asked for white dancers. Crystal did not meet that qualification.


Crystal just took the assignment that was given to her. Blame should be placed on the Escort service... not Crystal!

Anonymous said...

Oh bro ther. Will sid ever think that this woman is responsible for anything????? If it was so damn bad when sister got to the party, why didnt she get on her phone, call her paid driver, and tell him to come get her? Know why????? Because she saw,these white duke guys and said, as she did later, i am gonna make me some money. That's why. So did the other woman.
They both could have left at any time.

Anonymous said...

If Crystal thought she could make money off the Duke kids she must have been more of a delusional drunk prostitute than I thought.She should have looked in the mirror and realized that no white man would ever want her.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)A(acist):

Crystal just took the assignment that was given to her. Blame should be placed on the Escort service... not Crystal!"

Crystal chose to work not only for one but several escort services. What services did she provide?

Crystal can be blamed for falsely accusing three innocent men of raping her.

Anonymous said...

When will Crystal's charges be disposed of? Is there no time limit as to when this comes to court? Will she, possibly, have any recourse against these extreme over-charges, if they do eventually get thrown out? I'm thinking in terms of, loss of employment, interruption of her education, separation from her children etc.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

Anonymous said...

In the strict definition of the term prostitution, in NC law, I think, though not sure, the wording is something like receiving money to have intercourse, or words to that effect. I don't know if any specific documentation that Mangum ever sold her body to have intercourse with a customer. Others might be aware. I guess, then, that the law would say she is not a prostitute.
However, this reminds me a little bit of Bill Clinton's infamous bullcrap when he tried to weasel out of admitting he lied....saying that oral sex is not sex.
If, as has been documented, Mangum gave lap dances, stripped on a pole, went to motels and used a vibrator on herself and others, simulated oral sex with others.....then, I think I would say she was selling it for sexual gratification, if not intercourse, and that makes her......at least to me, a prostitute. She apparently does not have arrests for prostitution on her record. I am also reminded by my male friends that, as with any transaction of this type.....ya gotta have buyers and sellers.

What I find most offensive about Mangum's story line concerning her history as an exotic dancer, or as Harr calls her, a stripper......is her whine that selling it was/is the only way she can support her children. Bull. There are many many many MANY women trying to raise kids on their own, who find jobs slinging fries if they have to. Mangum's whine is that she can't get a job in Durham because of her history. OK, so move the bleep elsewhere! But, don't try to say that the only way to make money is pole vaulting. That is in insult to single women/mothers.
Mangum may not be a prostitute but she has, to this woman's mind, the morals of a housecat.....not because she sells it.....but because she exposes her children, over and over, to the results of her own lousy decisions.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
When will Crystal's charges be disposed of? Is there no time limit as to when this comes to court? Will she, possibly, have any recourse against these extreme over-charges, if they do eventually get thrown out? I'm thinking in terms of, loss of employment, interruption of her education, separation from her children etc.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996


Hey, Malek.

Not being an attorney, it is my understanding that North Carolnia is one of the few states without a speedy trial statute... so the prosecutor can draw out a pretrial phase for years. This is what Prosecutor Bill Wolfe did to James Arthur Johnson. This is what the prosecutor attempted to do to Crystal in the 2010 "arson" case, but they accidentally got the bail too low and she was bonded out. That is one reason why Judge Osmond Smith III refused to reduce the excessive bail of $200,000 to $100,000.

When the charges are dismissed I believe that Crystal should be entitled to compensation. I am confident that she will have charges against her dropped soon.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
In the strict definition of the term prostitution, in NC law, I think, though not sure, the wording is something like receiving money to have intercourse, or words to that effect. I don't know if any specific documentation that Mangum ever sold her body to have intercourse with a customer. Others might be aware. I guess, then, that the law would say she is not a prostitute.
However, this reminds me a little bit of Bill Clinton's infamous bullcrap when he tried to weasel out of admitting he lied....saying that oral sex is not sex.
If, as has been documented, Mangum gave lap dances, stripped on a pole, went to motels and used a vibrator on herself and others, simulated oral sex with others.....then, I think I would say she was selling it for sexual gratification, if not intercourse, and that makes her......at least to me, a prostitute. She apparently does not have arrests for prostitution on her record. I am also reminded by my male friends that, as with any transaction of this type.....ya gotta have buyers and sellers.

What I find most offensive about Mangum's story line concerning her history as an exotic dancer, or as Harr calls her, a stripper......is her whine that selling it was/is the only way she can support her children. Bull. There are many many many MANY women trying to raise kids on their own, who find jobs slinging fries if they have to. Mangum's whine is that she can't get a job in Durham because of her history. OK, so move the bleep elsewhere! But, don't try to say that the only way to make money is pole vaulting. That is in insult to single women/mothers.
Mangum may not be a prostitute but she has, to this woman's mind, the morals of a housecat.....not because she sells it.....but because she exposes her children, over and over, to the results of her own lousy decisions.


Thank you for your perspective, however, I believe that you are being too harsh on Crystal. We all make bad decisions that have been detrimental to the ones we love. I know that I have... but I don't believe that makes me amoral.

Unfortunately Crystal got into relationships with a couple of men who turned out to be abusive and a bit controlling.

I know Crystal and find her to be a very nice person and a loving mother. The problems that she faces with the justice system are due to the vendetta mentality that stems from her role in the Duke Lacrosse case.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, she did sure didn't bond out with any financial support from you, did she, harr?
and, by the way, it was not an "arson" case? Arson was only one of several charges brought against her. She got several convictions in 2010 and a hung jury on the arson charge. The convictions were child abuse, injury to personal property and resisting an officer.
She has NINE convictions on her record.........including four involving some form of violence against other people or property.
But, of course, she is a sweet docile totally blameless woman....

Nifong Supporter said...


Walt said...
Sid, you have written the same thing so many times about the medical issues and been exactly wrong the same way every time that I have just given up on you ever writing anything truthful about this case.

Walt-in-Durham


Hey, Walt.

Crystal's current attorney will shortly have the input of an independent forensic pathologist... and after you see that report, then I would like to hear your comments.

Anonymous said...

The problems she is facing are directly and solely based on HER choices and HER behavior.
Period.
Most of us have the capacity to learn from our mistakes. That's one way to determine whether we are maturing. Mangum continues to make lousy decisions and then, thanks to people like you, continues to seek ways to blame everybody from Rae Evans to Billy Graham for her lousy life.
I find the statement that she is a good mother to be hurl-inducing.

Anonymous said...

There are no grounds for dismissal of charges against Mangum.....other than, of course, because Harr "says so". My Dad used to tell me that I had to eat squash. I would say, "Why????" And he would reply, "Because I say so".
I guess Harr thinks being Daddy will make it so. Not likely.
On the other hands, it IS Durham, and we all know that, in Durham, weirder stuff occurs on a regular basis!!

Anonymous said...

Most defense attorneys seek to get professional witnesses to testify in a manner that sheds the most favorable light on their clients.....I would expect Vann to do likewise. If Vann presents evidence at the trial that convinces a jury Mangum was acting in self defense when she stabbed Daye, then Mangum will go free. However, that's a completely different scenario that the one Harr tries to construct...i.e., that somehow, miraculously, the judge is going to dismiss all charges against Mangum without a trial. Let's see how this all unfolds.
by the way, harr refuses to comment on the villan in his "over charging" scandal that he says was perped against Mangum. Cline was the DA when this all went down and Cline is notorious for over-charging to get pleas and convictions. So, why, then does harr refuse to do anything but make nice about Cline? Does harr believe Cline was/is in on the fix and part of the great conspiracy?

Anonymous said...

sorry for typos in last post.....typing challeneged today....

Anonymous said...

harr, answer this question:
How did three or four or more large men assault, hold down, suspend in the air, strangle, orally, anally and vaginally rape Mangum without leaving one shred of their DNA in, on or near her?
HOW?
The bathroom was tiny. We all saw photos of it. All three of the accused were big guys.
If they didn't use condoms (as Mangum first insisted), and if at least one ejaculated on her, then why no DNA?
If at least one man ejaculated and, per her statement, portions of the ejaculate fell on the floor, why no DNA?
If the men used a white towel to "clean her up", per her statement, then why no Mangum DNA on the towel?
If they DID use condoms, as she later insisted (changed her story), then how did ejaculate get on her and, if it did, why no DNA?
Why was there not a single cut, scrape, bruise mark on her except the marks SHE said she got when she stumbled on the back steps?
Mangum had multiple male samples in and on her......none from the LAX guys.
Explain.......fully. You claim to be a doctor. Explain. You claim to be a former ED doctor and, therefore, you should have extensive experience in doing RAPE assessments with victims. Have you EVER examined a rape victim, who claimed rape by multiple males, oral, anal and vaginal....without a single shred of DNA left behind? without using condoms? yet ejaculating?

Anonymous said...

I will say, yet again, that there is nothing in Mangum's behavior, after she stabbed Daye, that is typical of a woman's behavior who has been assaulted and who has apparently severely wounded her attacker. I am basing this statement on harr's description of what he says he heard directly from Mangum.
Why didn't mangum run NEXT DOOR, bang on the door, screem bloody murder, yell for help from the police?
Why did Mangum run to a place where her CHILD and family member were, putting them in immediate danger, not knowing for sure that Daye was or was not pursuing her?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @10:21 said: harr, answer this question:
How did three or four or more large men assault, hold down, suspend in the air, strangle, orally, anally and vaginally rape Mangum without leaving one shred of their DNA in, on or near her?
HOW The bathroom was tiny. We all saw photos of it. All three of the accused were big guys.............This is a total red-herring. If they wont fit you must accquit. Yeah sure.

If they didn't use condoms (as Mangum first insisted), and if at least one ejaculated on her, then why no DNA?
If at least one man ejaculated and, per her statement, portions of the ejaculate fell on the floor, why no DNA?
If the men used a white towel to "clean her up", per her statement, then why no Mangum DNA on the towel?............. The flawed investigation did not assure a chain of custody. The towel they used might not have been the towel used on Crystal.
If they DID use condoms, as she later insisted (changed her story), then how did ejaculate get on her and, if it did, why no DNA?...............As DNA expert Lawyer Barry Sheck said, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". DNA that could not be accounted for by Crystal's sexual history was found. The Party was hosted by The Blue Devils. All team members were tested, even those who were not in attendence. Why? The only non-team persons tested were thoes who happend to appear in photographs. Why? No serious effort was made to identify all who were there. Once Lawyers were obtained team members did not assist with this process. Crystal was subjected to a flawed photo-lineup and told those who assulted you are in this group of pictures; so point them out to us.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"Anonymous said...
When will Crystal's charges be disposed of? Is there no time limit as to when this comes to court? Will she, possibly, have any recourse against these extreme over-charges, if they do eventually get thrown out? I'm thinking in terms of, loss of employment, interruption of her education, separation from her children etc.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996"

SIDN(inn(EY, Malek Williams is probably your boy KEN(inny) copying and pasting his own posts and attributing them to Malek WIlliams.

Maybe this last "Malek Williams" is someone else's copied and pasted post.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypoxrite)ARR(acist):

"The problems that [Crystal] faces with the justice system are due to the vendetta mentality that stems from her role in the Duke Lacrosse case."

SIDN(inn)EY, the only vendetta associated with this blog against three innocent Caucasian men whom you believe should have been wrongly convicted of rape simply because a Black woman accused them.

Crystal's problems stem from the false accusations she made against the innocent men. She got herself into trouble.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

To Walt in Durham:

"Crystal's current attorney will shortly have the input of an independent forensic pathologist... and after you see that report, then I would like to hear your comments."

OIf Woody Vann does hire some money hungry hired gun, he just might try to contrive a case against Dr. Nichols. However, it should be just about as easy to refute as your contrived case was.

KHF Supporter said...

As I noted earlier, Ken/Kilgo's theory has been confirmed.

Thanks to my confirming source, we now know why the DPD failed to investigate and why the investigators were so intent in not identifying the perpetrators. We also know what threats the perpetrators made to keep the players silent.

It all fits together so cleanly if the investigators were the attackers.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:

His latest futile attempt to give his ridiculous hypothesis credibility:

"As DNA expert Lawyer Barry Sheck said, 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence'. DNA that could not be accounted for by Crystal's sexual history was found. The Party was hosted by The Blue Devils. All team members were tested, even those who were not in attendence. Why? The only non-team persons tested were thoes who happend to appear in photographs. Why? No serious effort was made to identify all who were there. Once Lawyers were obtained team members did not assist with this process. Crystal was subjected to a flawed photo-lineup and told those who assulted you are in this group of pictures; so point them out to us."

Absence of absence is not evidence that nothing happened. However, absence of evidence does not prove anything did happen. In Canada, as in the US, I believe, the prosecutor has the obligation to prove the crime. If evidence is absent the prosecutor can prove nothing. Your contention that in the Duke Hoax, that the absence of evidence is evidence of something is in itself evidence of your racist attitudes. Like SIDN)inn)EY you believe that the innocent Lacrosse players should have been wrongfully convicted of rape because they had been accused by a Black woman, even if her accusations were false.

You have no evidence that anything happened. Crystal alleged a semen depositing rape. Testing of the rape kit revealed no semen. Ergo, there had been no rape.

Whether or not there had been any unidentified party goers is irrelevant. No one assaulted Crystal Mangum at 610 Buchanan Avenue on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

All your unidentified party goers, an anonymous Lacrosse player who witnessed a rape and witnessed Lacrosse players aiding and abetting, they are unsupported allegations.

I ask you the question someone else previously asked you. At the flawed lineup, why did she not say she could not recognize any Lacrosse player as an assailant?

How could the team members assist in identifying perpetrators of a crime which never happened.

Your most delusional fantasy is that the indicted players would have racked up millions of dollars in legal expenses when they could have saved themselves a lot of money and stress by identifying the perpetrators?

Racist Idiocy, thy name is Kenhyderal.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:

"DNA that could not be accounted for by Crystal's sexual history was found".

That could only be due to Crystal's sexual history was not completely found.

Whoever deposited his DNA on Crystal, he did not do it on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Forensic exam of the rape kit definitively showed she had not been raped.

That KEN(inny) hides from that fact does not negate the validity of that fact.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:

"If they DID use condoms, as [Crystal] later insisted (changed her story), then how did ejaculate get on her and, if it did, why no DNA?"

KEN(inny) did not answer the question. Via his quote of Barry Scheck, he dodged it. KEN(inny) almost always does that when confronted with a fact he can not refute.

He can not refute the fact that, although Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape, forensic evidence conclusively established that no DNA depositing rape of Crystal happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:

"No serious effort was made to identify all who were there."

Establish a basis in fact to support your belief that unidentified males at the Lacrosse party raped Crystal.

What you heard from Kilgo does not establish anything as fact. It is hearsay. It is the product of someone who has never documented that he knows any member of the Lacrosse team.

Whatever DNA was found on Crystal as a result of the forensic exam of the rape kit, it was overwhelmingly established it was not deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:28 said:"He can not refute the fact that, although Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape, forensic evidence conclusively established that no DNA depositing rape of Crystal happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006"........... The fact is DNA deposition can not be timed.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4: 53 said : "Maybe this last "Malek Williams" is someone else's copied and pasted post" ......... I can confirm that this is a post I wrote months ago. I have no idea why Makek is copying my posts, signing his name to them and posting them under the appellation of Anonymous. I beleive Dr. Harr, as the blog's host should exercise his duty and moniter this sort of behavior. I appreciate Malek's endorsement of Crystal's character and his sympathy for her situation but I think he should do this in his own words. While I'm on the topic of management of this site, I would once again like to decry posts like the one from Anonymous on June 3rd. @ 2:04 PM and call on Dr. Harr to remove such hate speech from his blog. Failing that, I challenge this evil, nazi-like, racist to sign his/her name to these posts so the ignorance displayed can be exposed to the public ridicule it deserves. My guess is, anyone who employed this person might want to evaluate doing so. As I have said before, in Canada, where hate speech is illegal, this could lead to criminal prosecution. I would, though, note that in the United States no one could get away with posting stuff like this about Jewish people. They obviously have more clout then African Americans

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:16 said: " Your most delusional fantasy is that the indicted players would have racked up millions of dollars in legal expenses when they could have saved themselves a lot of money and stress by identifying the perpetrators" ........... Even if they split the civil suit awards with their trial lawyers, they have come out of this process wealthy enough to join the 1% and probably with more to come. And, as far as thier reputation is concerned, thanks to blogs like DIW and Liestoppers, sattelite radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and TV shows like The O'Reilly Factor. most people beleive these are poor innocent "choir-boys" preyed on by a the evil sorceress

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:

"As I have said before, in Canada, where hate speech is illegal, this could lead to criminal prosecution. I would, though, note that in the United States no one could get away with posting stuff like this about Jewish people. They obviously have more clout then African Americans".

My opinion, because your denials are not credible, is that you are reposting your own hate speech and attributing it to Malek Williams.

In the United States, as opposed to Canada, under the First Amendment one has the right to express opinions. That right even applies to Canadians who post the hate speech that some Caucasian males raped Crystal Mangum.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"Anonymous @ 5:16 said: ' Your most delusional fantasy is that the indicted players would have racked up millions of dollars in legal expenses when they could have saved themselves a lot of money and stress by identifying the perpetrators' ........... Even if they split the civil suit awards with their trial lawyers, they have come out of this process wealthy enough to join the 1% and probably with more to come. And, as far as thier reputation is concerned, thanks to blogs like DIW and Liestoppers, sattelite radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and TV shows like The O'Reilly Factor. most people beleive these are poor innocent "choir-boys" preyed on by a the evil sorceress".

Ken(inny) again dodges the issue, why would innocent Duke Lacrosse players incur millions of dollars in legal fees defending themselves against no-meritorious criminal charges if they could name the perpetrators.

He also dodges the issue of why reliable forensic testing definitively proved Crystal had not been raped.

Actuallly, those innocent Lacrosse players never claimed Crystal was preying upon them. DA NI(nny)FONG, the corrupt prosecutor, was the predator.

Anonymous said...

wow, kenny, we didn't know you were anti-semetic as well as racist.....Jews have more clout than african americans?......
wow, what other little secrets are you keepin. fella? I also enjoyed the veiled threat about letting employers know what people say on this blob.
None, not ONE, of the questions concerning the DNA posted for harr have been answered directly by him. who gives a rip what you think.
We all know that racist comments get made on this site and elsewhere. (except, of course, in canada where life is perfect and everybody gets along with everybody). Racist comments come in all forms. Some are overt; some are subtle. Some are just plain comical and silly. The worst examples of racism I have read on this site come from you and harr.
Whoever Malek is.....or is not.....his posts have no more credibility than anybody else's here. This is an OPINION flub and we all have asses, elbows and opinions.

Anonymous said...

harr, the challenge remains. Answer the questions from June 4 10:21.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"The fact is DNA deposition can not be timed."

Ergo, the finding of male DNA on Crystal does not establish that she was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

KEN(inny) again tries to dodge a relevant issue.

Crystal, upon whom KEN(inny) relies, claimed the time of a Semen depositing rape as the night of 13/14 March 2006. Ergo, KEN(inny) believes a semen depositing rape occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

The rape kit was taken on the morning of 14 March 2006, hours after the alleged rape. It was tested for semen. The tests for semen were negative, according to the SBI Crime lab and DNA Security. The only possible conclusions were that there was no semen on the rape kit and, ergo, there was no semen depositing rape.

KEN(inny), if you are not afraid of the truth, please explain how a semen depositing rape can happen and not leave semen on the rape kit.

What you have said previously is not explanation. It is speculation and denial.

Anonymous said...

...Asses, elbows and opinions.... that's right and Kenny has shown us his....with the comment about jews and african americas.
talk about hypocritical.....

Anonymous said...

waiting to hear that Vann has gotten Sister freed and all charges dropped. anybody else think this is going to happen....besides harr and kenny and magical malek?

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"While I'm on the topic of management of this site, I would once again like to decry posts like the one from Anonymous on June 3rd. @ 2:04 PM and call on Dr. Harr to remove such hate speech from his blog. Failing that, I challenge this evil, nazi-like, racist to sign his/her name to these posts so the ignorance displayed can be exposed to the public ridicule it deserves."

KEN(inny) shows how much he hates to confront the truth.

KENB(inny), the truth about Kilgo's Lacrosse player friend is, he does not exist>

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Abe "good mother" Jones has one shred of guilt for his imposition of the laughably light sentence he gave Sister? I wonder if Tim tyson remembers his "somebody's sister, somebody's daughter, somebody's mother, somebody's sweetheart" remark? As another poster has said elsewhere, we can add "somebody's killer" to the list. I wonder if Peterson realizes what a bigoted liar she is when she says she does not want to trash Mr. Daye and then, publicly, does just that. I wonder if people like Harr have even one tiny clue how their endless blaming of others for their own stupid decisions, their whining that it is always somebody else's fault, their use of racial prejudice as a convenient excuse for their own failures......how that sort of perpetual "white man evil oppressor conspiracy" crap is nonsense.

Anonymous said...

It is utterly shameful that Ken Edwards makes a reference to Jewish people having more clout than African Americans. He persists in making reference to racist comments that show up on this flub from time to time. Most of us are intelligent enough to figure out racist comments when we see them and, if we chose to do so, we ignore them. That's how it is in this country, Kenny. We protect free speech.....even the heinous dribble that comes out of the mouths of jerks like Reverend Fred Phelps. Or perhaps you would like Farrakan's antisemetic remarks to be censored? Or how about Reverend Sean Harris's comments IN CHURCH that boys should have their wrists broken if they bend them in a homosexual manner? Or perhaps you would like Harr's comments censored when he drones on, praising Houston Baker for telling the mother of a LAX player that she gave birth to a farm animal? Perhaps your OWN antisemetic comments should be removed?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
The problems she is facing are directly and solely based on HER choices and HER behavior.
Period.
Most of us have the capacity to learn from our mistakes. That's one way to determine whether we are maturing. Mangum continues to make lousy decisions and then, thanks to people like you, continues to seek ways to blame everybody from Rae Evans to Billy Graham for her lousy life.
I find the statement that she is a good mother to be hurl-inducing.


It was not Crystal's choice or behavior that resulted in her being abused. It was Reginald Daye who made the choice to abuse Crystal and who's behavior resulted in his punching her in the face, spitting on her, and pulling out her hair.

Instead of putting blame where it is due, you want to blame the victim.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
sorry for typos in last post.....typing challeneged today....


That's okay. None of us are perfect... not even me.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"Anonymous said...
The problems she is facing are directly and solely based on HER choices and HER behavior.
Period.
Most of us have the capacity to learn from our mistakes. That's one way to determine whether we are maturing. Mangum continues to make lousy decisions and then, thanks to people like you, continues to seek ways to blame everybody from Rae Evans to Billy Graham for her lousy life.
I find the statement that she is a good mother to be hurl-inducing.


It was not Crystal's choice or behavior that resulted in her being abused. It was Reginald Daye who made the choice to abuse Crystal and who's behavior resulted in his punching her in the face, spitting on her, and pulling out her hair.

Instead of putting blame where it is due, you want to blame the victim.

There is no evidence Crystal was abused.

So fa as victim blaming, you have been blaming the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players for the adverse consequences Crystal suffered as a result of her false accusations.

You also blame Reginald Daye for his own death by subjecting him to libel.

Anonymous said...

It is not for you to decide whether Daye was an attacker as you describe. It is up to a jury. Mangum has made numerous poor choices which she (and you) continue to blame others for. Most people take responsibility for their own behavior. And most people try to learn from their mistakes and improve. Mangum does none of this.......and she continues to allow herself to be used by people like you, Nifong, Jesse Jackson, al sharpton, Ed Clark and so many others

Anonymous said...

Whether Mr. Daye was the "victim" or Mangum was the "victim" is not determined. That's why we have trials, Sidney......so that juries make these decisions, not you, not me.
As somebody has commented, Mangum's life is filled with examples of terrible decisions on HER part. There was no great white conspiracy in 2002 when she racked up convictions for an assortment of illegal behaviors. There was no conspiracy when she gave birth to three children, at least two out of wedlock, with no agreement of support from the fathers involved. (bad choice on HER part....) There was no conspiracy when she chose a pattern of drug seeking behaviors by frequenting area hospitals and asking for various Rxs. There was no conspiracy that forced her to load up on drugs even when she was interviewed by the AG's office. There was no conspiracy that forced her to engage in an apparent brawl with a man in 2010, in front of her children, that involved her destruction of his property, a conviction for child abuse and resisting arrest. Nobody made her move in with or expose her children to that situation but her. There was no conspiracy involved that forced her to move in with Mr. Daye and to STAY in his company even when, according to you, she KNEW he was, in your words, a violent drunk.

And, above all else, no conspiracy made her, from at least 2002 onward, sell herself. If you think Mangum, who supposedly is college educated, could ONLY find work selling it, in ONE city in the United States....you're nuts. As has been said before, it is a keen insult to women who are trying to support their children for Mangum to claim the only way she could get money was to sell it. Bull crap. (yet another example of HER blaming everybody else.....)
I find you to be incredibly racist in your excusing of Mangum. You imply that women of color are somehow not able to, on their own accord, find socially and morally acceptable (as well and financially reasonable) means to support themselves and their families. You imply that black women have to engage in debasing "sex work" in order to make a living......and that, my friend, is a reprehensibly racist attitude.
shame on you.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:32 AM said: " wow, kenny, we didn't know you were anti-semetic as well as racist.....Jews have more clout than african americans?......
wow, what other little secrets are you keepin. fella? I also enjoyed the veiled threat about letting employers know what people say on this blob" ................ This is just a perfect example of my point. When I suggested that Jewish Americans, as a group, seem to have more political clout then African Americans , as a group, I am, in a knee-jerk reaction, immediately labeled as anti-Semetic. I suppose, if I obeserved that Irish-Americans have more clout then Jewish Americans, by that standard, I could also be labeled anti-Celtic. I note that not a single poster labeled the author of the virulently racist anti-Black posts that frequently appear on this blog as racist but I with my observational remark was. In Canada Minister Farrahkhan's "gutter religion" remark and Victoria Peterson's anti-gay remarks would be considered illegal hate speech. With the American second ammendment rights, the only defence against this type of hate speech is public exposure of it's ignorance. Neither Minister Farrakhan or Mrs. Peterson make thier remarks anonymously and they can and are brought to public ridicule.

Anonymous said...

What you are labeled is hypocritical and you deserve it. It IS racist and it IS antisemetic to make statements about Jews having more cloud than African Americans. And, frankly, I doubt that statement is even true. You seem to think you know more about American culture and society than most of us ignorant Americans do. so whatever you say, Kenny.....

I believe the poster also commented that most of us can and do elect to ignore racist remarks on this ridiculous site.....which means that yours may be ignored as well.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "which means that yours may be ignored as well" Ah, but it wasn't. There is a double standard at work here.

Anonymous said...

ooooo, Kenny thinks there is a double standard . He is RIGHT. Everybody else is accountable for their behavior except the poor defenseless professional victim, Mangum. She is NOT held accountable because the evil white oppressor conspiracy is out to get her. That is double standard.

Anonymous said...

Kenny, the reason your remarks get noticed is that you continue to posture as the moral keeper for this Harr zoo, routinely going on about racist comments that, from time to time, show up here. None of us need you to preach about the remarks. They are what they are.....and when you, out of the blue, interject Jewish people, as a group, into some artificial comparison, for some obscure point that is not relevant, I would expect others to react exactly as they have.
Saying Jews have more clout than African Americans is like saying African Americans are better dancers than caucasians and can jump higher. (the better dancer part is true.......)

Harr, still waiting for you to answer the straightforward DNA questions that somebody posted.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

What tags you as racist is this belief you have that innocent Caucasians should be wrongfully convicte of rape simply because a Black woman falsely accused them.

Your latest ravings stem from your distaste for confronting the truth.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line quote I heard from a friend recently, worth repeating here maybe........
"Those Lacrosse guys didn't rape her, she and that Nifong creep tried to rape THEM"!
Amen....

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous also said: "You seem to think you know more about American culture and society than most of us ignorant Americans do. so whatever you say, Kenny" ...... I think no such thing. I do however find the concept of American exceptionalism laughable; the most Democratic country, laughable (a bi-cameral legislature where the senate has power to legislate, is inherently un-democratic. eg. Rhode Island has equal weight in the chamber as does California. Then there is a mechanism whereby 34%, not a majority, can thwart any legislation. Also there is the oligarchical element where only those with money or access to it can win a senate seat. In a Representative system a candidate can knock on every door in his district and ask the voter for their support. Try that in a senate race without having multi-millions for media. And, if it's not your own money what do you owe to those who contribute. The citizen's United court ruling insures that money will corrupt the electoral process. In Canada expenditure is limited to $0.70 per elector. The maximum individual donation is $1000.00. Corporations and Trade Unions are prohibited from making contributions to political parties, electoral district associations, leadership and nomination campaigns and to all candidates. Mind you, in Canada we have more political parties to choose from. Even President Obama has said, "only in America could my story happen". I respectively disagree. It could happen in many countries around the world and in Canada many generations earlier then it could of in America. The most free country in the world? Then why does it have more of it citizens in prison then any other nation, in total and per capita? I could go on and on but hey you know where I'm coming from. My good friend Crystal is a true victim of American injustice.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I think we pushed Oh, Canada's buttons.....
Kenny is suffering from overcompensation syndrome, one might think....
Crystal Gail Mangum is a convicted criminal. She has nine convictions on her record. Whether the tenth gets added remains to be seen.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like Kenny has been reading brochures again.....like,
"Why we Canadians are a Master Race and why Americans suck", or,
"USA versus Canada; No contest, us Canadians win". or,
"Intelligence rises the further north you go"
Hilarious temper tantrum from HissyFit himself

Anonymous said...

I say again, Kenny, why don't you and Dr. Harr get off your whine and open your wallets.....raise the bail money, find yourselves an attorney YOU think worthy and haul Mangum up to Canada?
Surely you wouldn't mind having her share your home, along with the children you think she is going to be raising.
Your rantings mean nothing because you continue to make excuses for why you don't put your money where your very large mouth is located. As another poster, put up or shut up.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"My good friend Crystal is a true victim of American injustice."

You got it wrong, KEN(iny). Crystal is the victim of the consequences she unleashed when she falsely accused three Caucasian Lacrosse players of raping her.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

If you are saying that in the United States only the Senate may legislate, you are tremendously wrong.

Anonymous said...

Kenny doesnt quite get it. He thinks he does though, and thats the funny part. The USA according to Ken Edwards , or , why kenny failed Civics. Keep trying, ken, our dreadful country might even let you in.....

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...
"I can confirm that this is a post I wrote months ago. I have no idea why Makek is copying my posts, signing his name to them and posting them under the appellation of Anonymous. I beleive Dr. Harr, as the blog's host should exercise his duty and moniter this sort of behavior. I appreciate Malek's endorsement of Crystal's character and his sympathy for her situation but I think he should do this in his own words."


I have to say that this complaint seems a little hollow coming from "cut and past Ken."

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:39 said: "If you are saying that in the United States only the Senate may legislate, you are tremendously wrong" I'm saying it's an un-representative and essentially un-democratic body that can kill legislation the Representatives of the People want.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:06 said: "Sounds like Kenny has been reading brochures again.....like,
"Why we Canadians are a Master Race"......... The only people, who suggest a master race, here are those neo-nazi posters who perpetually refer to the "Caucasian Race" and who have often said things like; "no white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal"

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"I'm saying it's an un-representative and essentially un-democratic body that can kill legislation the Representatives of the People want."

So can the house of representatives. You would know that if your research had been adequate.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"The only people, who suggest a master race, here are those neo-nazi posters who perpetually refer to the "Caucasian Race" and who have often said things like; 'no white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal'".

And posters like yourself and SIDN(inn)EY believe that Caucasian males should be wrongfully convicted of rape because they were falsely accused by a black woman. It is racist that you do not believe that attitude is not racist.

That is the essence of your support of Crystal Mangum.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

It must really bother you that your racist attitude towards Caucasians has been exposed.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

In the United States, a bill must be approved by both houses of Congress before it can go to the President for signature, whether it originates in the House or in the Senate.

Do some research.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Canada.....la, la, la.....
Gee, folks, I think old Ken is correct. Canada is indeed a superior country in every way. We are a third world nation of worthless cheap lazy ugly americans. and that, my third rate friends, is why Kenny and Sidney should rescue Sister and spirit her away to the north.....because we all know that Sister belongs up there with all that clean air and world class healthcare. There is only one tiny problem. Sister is going to have to keep her clothes on....it does get a bit chilly, or so I hear.
Put up or shut up, boys......post her bail and haul her off to Canada or Dubai. I betcha that nice men in Dubai would just love her act

Mark Orgel said...

Nifong Supporter said...

Anonymous said...
The problems she is facing are directly and solely based on HER choices and HER behavior.
Period.
Most of us have the capacity to learn from our mistakes. That's one way to determine whether we are maturing. Mangum continues to make lousy decisions and then, thanks to people like you, continues to seek ways to blame everybody from Rae Evans to Billy Graham for her lousy life.
I find the statement that she is a good mother to be hurl-inducing.



It was not Crystal's choice or behavior that resulted in her being abused. It was Reginald Daye who made the choice to abuse Crystal and who's behavior resulted in his punching her in the face, spitting on her, and pulling out her hair.

Instead of putting blame where it is due, you want to blame the victim. (emphasis added)

I almost fell out of my chair when I read this! The victim here is the deceased Reginald Daye, and it is Harr et. al. who are blaming the victim. Between this and Kenny's anti-semitic attack on what he perceived as racism, it appears that hypocrisy is the actual theme of this board.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you, sir. stunning, to say the least. when, out of the blue, we get a reference to jewish people as "having more clout".....an age old stereotype of jews.....in the middle of a moralistic rant about racism and censorship......that's the worse kind of hypocrisy. I don't particularly care for the statements about white men not wanting Mangum, and I loathe Peterson's hate-filled bigotry. BUT, in this country we protect freedom of speech, even when we hate the words and the message.
Canada has their standards and we have ours. I'll take ours!
Harr will not EVER change his tune or his stripes. We all know this. He is full of hate for white people and it shows all over him. He does not give a damn about Nifong; he uses Nifong as a surrogate to get at what and who he hates.....white people. Mangum was a huge disappointment to the Duke 88, Harr, Jackson, Peterson et al.....because she was their prototype "victim" and the so-called rich white boys were the ultimate villans. Only problem was THEY DIDN'T DO IT. So, darn it, the whole grand slam of "evil white oppressor rapes innocent black woman" fell apart......and that reality pissed off Harr. He could care less about Mangum. In fact, I think he is one of the worst examples of a Mangum user I have seen......right up there with Nifong. They are one in the same.

This site has always been nothing more than hate dressed up as righteousness and self promotion dressed up as truth-seeking hero. Harr is pathetic....a sad little man with a hate filled heart.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
It is not for you to decide whether Daye was an attacker as you describe. It is up to a jury. Mangum has made numerous poor choices which she (and you) continue to blame others for. Most people take responsibility for their own behavior. And most people try to learn from their 48mistakes and improve. Mangum does none of this.......and she continues to allow herself to be used by people like you, Nifong, Jesse Jackson, al sharpton, Ed Clark and so many others


The police and the prosecutor should have determined that Daye was the abuser since Crystal had signs of a swollen lower lip, a cut around the left eye, and clumps of her hair left at the scene... not to mention the bathroom door that Daye kicked in. (Do we have consensus that Daye, and not Mangum, kicked in the bathroom door?)

According to your comment, are you suggesting that a jury decide who is the abuser before an arrest is made? Doesn't make sense.

Anonymous said...

The jury will decide whether Mangum is guilty as charged, harr. even an indiot can figure that much out....
are you suggesting that YOU, not the jury, should decide to let Mangum out of jail? That doesn't make sense, even for you.

Anonymous said...

with regard to the bathroom door..
there is no evidence in the document you illegally posted as to how it was kicked, whether it was kicked in, when it was kicked in, who kicked it, if anybody did, and why it was kicked, if it was.
You are making false conclusions out of air. Just like you made a false conclusion when you said the knife, definitively, was a paring knife. Just like when you made a false conclusion that the argument was about money. Just like when you said duke doctors killed mr. daye.

Anonymous said...

Dont be deliberately dense, harr. the poster was saying it is not up to you to decide mangum's fate. it is up to the jury.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:30 AM said: "I agree with you, sir. stunning, to say the least. when, out of the blue, we get a reference to jewish people as "having more clout".....an age old stereotype of jews.....in the middle of a moralistic rant about racism and censorship......that's the worse kind of hypocrisy. I don't particularly care for the statements about white men not wanting Mangum, and I loathe Peterson's hate-filled bigotry. BUT, in this country we protect freedom of speech, even when we hate the words and the message"..................... Finally a censure of the frequent racist attacks found on this blog against Crystal, albeit a mild one, ("I don't particularly like") My point, though, has been well illustrated by the response to my observation , stereotypical or not. Those with the most political ,like for example the Jewish Community and the Homosexual Community can expect and receive general outrage at any type of stereotyping. Unfortuneately for Crystal on blogs such as this such sytereotyping and out-right lies prevail with nary a peep. And, more often then not, a nod of agreement.

Anonymous said...

SID(ninny) H(ypocrite)ARR(acist:

"
The police and the prosecutor should have determined that Daye was the abuser since Crystal had signs of a swollen lower lip, a cut around the left eye, and clumps of her hair left at the scene">

The ER record, which you posted, recorded that Crystal had only minor injuries to the head and face, which did not require treatment. Her mug shot, taken shortly after her arrest, which you could have published on your blog but have not, showed no evidence of major trauma to Crystal's head and face.

Regarding the hair, and remembering what Kim Roberts/Pittman recalled(Crystal told her to put marks on her) it would not surprise me if Crystal tore out her own hair in order to blame Reginald Daye.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"Unfortuneately for Crystal on blogs such as this such sytereotyping and out-right lies prevail with nary a peep".

There was no stereotyping of Crystal, just the revelation that she was not the pure, struggling mother who was raped but a woman with a sordid past who falsely accused three innocent men of raping her.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"According to your comment, are you suggesting that a jury decide who is the abuser before an arrest is made? Doesn't make sense.'

SIDN(inn)EY, that is something you read into the poster's comment, something which is not there. The technique is called, creating a straw man.

That you use up a lot of straw defending your position regard Crystal is an indication you are afraid to confront the truth.

Anonymous said...

What strikes me about all this is the sheer preponderance of evidence of a truly amoral person in Crystal Mangum. Her bad behavior didn't start in 2011, or 2010, or 2006 or 2002. Harr wants to blame some kind of fictional conspiracy as the reason for every lousy decision this woman has made.
In fact, he even rationalizes that somehow somebody else was responsible for the crimes AND convictions Mangum racked up four years before the rape hoax ever happened!
Mangum has made repeated terrible decisions throughout her adult years AND, worst of all, she has repeatedly exposed her children, who she claims to love, to extraordinary risk and trauma.
Yet, somehow, it's Rae Evans' fault that Mangum chose to live with a man that Harr claims Mangum KNEW was a drunk and abuser. (by the way, there is zero factual evidence that either of these assertions was/is true). Somehow it is the Duke-media-police-law-court-lax family-AG-conspiracy that caused Mangum to engage in a common brawl with a man IN FRONT OF HER CHILDREN in 2010. And remarkably, the evil white oppressor has been made responsible for Mangum getting kicked out of a historic BLACK graduate school.
Over and over, harr and his band of excuse makers, wag their fingers at this fantasy conspiracy because they simply cannot stand the fact that Crystal Gail Mangum is a characterless amoral woman.
I feel no sympathy for Mangum. MY sympathies go to the Daye family and to the innocent children of this woman.

Anonymous said...

Ken Edwards says:
"...Those with the most political ,like for example the Jewish Community and the Homosexual Community can expect and receive general outrage at any type of stereotyping...".
Well, there it is. A nice big fat dose of bigotry spewing out of his mouth. Yet, this guy is the moral compass for harr's trash blog? wow, the old pot sure calls the kettle black these days....
Edwards exposed himself and his antisemetism in the middle of preaching about racism. Kinda ironic.

kenhyderal said...

Just a correction I accidentally left out the word "clout" after the word political

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 10:13 said: "Well, there it is. A nice big fat dose of bigotry spewing out of his mouth. Yet, this guy is the moral compass for harr's trash blog? wow, the old pot sure calls the kettle black these days....
Edwards exposed himself and his antisemetism in the middle of preaching about racism. Kinda ironic" .............. Once again a perfect example of the selective outrage one sees when even the mildest of stereotypes is used against a Community that has "political" clout but they often remains silent or nod in concurrence when the target is the weak and the powerless. Ironic yes but I'll let the readers decide in this instance who is the bigot, me or the poster I attacked.

Anonymous said...

You......

Anonymous said...

As YOU have been repeatedly told, in this country we protect free speech. You can be indignant all you want. You can rant and rave about statements you consider offensive and racist. So can all the rest of the persons who post here. Harr can delete any post he wishes. That's HIS business.
While you carry out your sermon to others about what you consider to be their racist statements, I suggest you not engage in the very behavior about which you chastize others.
In my opinion, you made a clearly antisemetic statement. In my opinion, you have made numerous racist statements. Others may disagree with me entirely. That's their right and, by the way, your statements deserve the very same protection, as free speech, as the ugly words that come out of the mouths of Phelps, Farrahkan, J. Helms, etc.
What the poster is pointing out, quite clearly, is the IRONY of your preaching about censure of racist statements...and in the middle of your tirade....make an antisemetic remark yourself. If you make such a remark, you should not be surprised that others might find it hypocritical on your part

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"Once again a perfect example of the selective outrage one sees when even the mildest of stereotypes is used against a Community that has "political" clout but they often remains silent or nod in concurrence when the target is the weak and the powerless. Ironic yes but I'll let the readers decide in this instance who is the bigot, me or the poster I attacked."

Why don't you arrange for a pro KEN(inny) post by Malek Edwards?

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RQ(cist)L:

Why don't you have Malek Edwards paste in another "Right on Kenhyderal" post, like he allegedly did 4 times earlier.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 11:42 said: "In my opinion, you made a clearly antisemetic statement".............. Not exactly on topic but this article in j-weekly may mitigate what was perceived here as an anti-semetic remark by me. http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/18771/it-s-not-the-number-of-jews-that-counts-it-s-the-political-clout/ Anonymous also said: "In my opinion, you have made numerous racist statements".............. I'd be grateful if you could point out these statements I am purported to have made.

KHF Supporter said...

Ken: I'll let the readers decide in this instance who is the bigot, me or the poster I attacked.

You are both bigots. And you are both trolls.

The poster you attacked is far more egregious. That poster contributes nothing of value, offering no pretense of discussion, and is best ignored. You provide the attention it craves, so it repeats its venom.

You are more subtle, both as a bigot and as a troll. Your anti-Semitism is less noxious, but ironic, coming in an attack on bigotry. Similarly, you are quite clever as a troll. You concoct the most implausible scenario possible and induce others to debate you as though you were serious, but you avoid a meaningful discussion.

By the way, a few posters had agreed previously that the noxious poster's commentary was racist. Your claim that no one had criticized it was false.

I demand apologies from the racist poster for each obnoxious post.

I demand apologies from you for your bigotry, hypocrisy, trolling and false accusation.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"I'd be grateful if you could point out these statements I am purported to have made."

You have made racially motivated statements accusing innocent Caucasian men of either raping Crystal Mangum, or of abetting the rape of Crystal Mangum, even though the fact is said alleged rape never happened. That qualifies as a racist statement.

Then you dodge having to explain the inconsistencies and implausibility of your allegations. Then, you accuse those who point out the ridiculous nature of your allegations racist. That would also qualify as racism.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:48 said: "You have made racially motivated statements accusing innocent Caucasian men of either raping Crystal Mangum, or of abetting the rape of Crystal Mangum, even though the fact is said alleged rape never happened. That qualifies as a racist statement"........... I never use the term Caucasian Men; nor do I use the term Negroid or Mongoloid when designating people. In my mind Caucasian is an adjective most frequently by those who believe in racial superiority.

kenhyderal said...

oops should have wrote used most frequently.

Anonymous said...

Kenhydral - Caucasians clearly are superior and we would never want to have sex with Crystal Mangum.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"I never use the term Caucasian Men; nor do I use the term Negroid or Mongoloid when designating people. In my mind Caucasian is an adjective most frequently by those who believe in racial superiority."

You got it wrong(again). Why is that not surprising. Caucasian is not a racist term. That you consider it so is an indication of your own unrepentant racism.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"oops should have wrote used most frequently."

Written most frequently would have been gramatically correct.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

That you consider the term "Caucasian" racist does not make it so.

It is like your belief that Crystal was raped by innocent Caucasian men does not make it so that she was raped.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:18 said: "Caucasian is not a racist term"............... You didn't read what I wrote. I said, "I find it is an adjective, frequently, used by people who believe in racial superiorty eg. see the disgusting post @ 3:38 PM. I have never characterized anyone who assulted Crystal as belonging to any particular race.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"You didn't read what I wrote. I said, "I find it is an adjective, frequently, used by people who believe in racial superiorty eg. see the disgusting post @ 3:38 PM.

You, like you usually do, found wrong.

Anonymous said...

Right on kennyhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

Anonymous said...

Ah malek is baaaaaaack, kenny !!!! How nice.......
Or perhaps it is malek's evil twin?????? Too funny, pal, but getting boring. You need to find yourself some new material

Anonymous said...

For the 5th time, via Malek Williams, KEN(inny) reposts one of his comments.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"
"You didn't read what I wrote. I said, 'I find it is an adjective, frequently, used by people who believe in racial superiorty(sic)'".

You asked previously if anyone could point out one of your racist comments. Then you gave us this quote, a perfect example.

I say again, that you think that Caucasians who describe themselves as Caucasians use that adjective as an expression of racial superiority(please note correct spelling), that is a manifestation of your own blatant unrepentant racism.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

Another expression of your blatant unrepentant racism is that you do not find it disgusting that a Black woman accused innocent Caucasian men of raping her.

Incidentally, your boy NI(nny)FONG, is a Caucasian who said he would not personally choose an exotic dancer as someone with whom he would want to have unprotected sex. The exotic dancer to whom he was referring was Crystal Mangum.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny), what I should have described as an expression of your blatant, unrepentant racism is that you do not find it disgusting that a Black woman would FALSELY accuse innocent white men of raping her.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

Here is a quotation from a source you have used:

"The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid, Europid, or Europoid[1]) has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia (the Middle East), Central Asia and South Asia.[2] Historically, the term has been used to describe many peoples from these regions, WITHOUT REGARD NECESSARILY TO SKIN TONE(emphasis added).

I say again, your description of Caucasian as an adjective use by people who believe in racial superiority is a blatant manifestation of your own unrepentant racism.

URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

Using the adjective to describe DA NI(nny)FONG in no way ascribes any superiority to him.

Anonymous said...

Excuse me, KEN(inny).

I should have said using the adjective Caucasian to describe DA NI(nny)FONG in no way ascribes superiority to him.

Anonymous said...

Incidentally,KEN(inny), the allegation that Caucasian men lust after Black women, an allegation you seem to believe, is making a statement that Black women have some kind of race based superiority to Caucasian women.

Another manifestation of your blatant unrepentant racism.

Anonymous said...

I think racism drives much of harr's world view and certainly helps him maintain his bias. But that is not new information; it has been so since this whole Mangum lax hoax began. Living in this area for many years, I can say that I was stunned and shamed by the blatant racist remarks, on ALL sides, that came out of the LAX fiasco. It wasn't just white people, it wasn't just black people. There were/are deeply rooted and pervasive racial hatreds in Durham that we all know about, and that are as old as the town itself. The LAX hoax was a lighting rod....it drew every kind of crackpot racist like flies to honey.
What I find frustrating about harr is that he defends Mangum blindly and that he continues to explain all her terrible choices and behaviors with her being some kind of helpless victim. That's ridiculous. Mangum had a documented criminal history before 2006. And, since 2006, she has had every opportunity to turn her life around. If she couldn't, as she claims, get a job in Durham, then pack up the kiddos and head on down the highway. Frankly, if I were in her shoes, having been proven to be a liar and having been horribly used by a corrupt prosecutor, I would look at Durham in my rearview mirror and NEVER want to see the town again!
I guess it isn't at all surprising that harr continues to do DAMAGE to Mangum and to USE HER. How sad that Mangum cannot find herself a friend who will hold her accountable for her own choices and who will help her face the reality and consequences in a responsible manner. It sure isn't harr.

Anonymous said...

The lax hoax is over, harr. it is done. stick a fork in it. nifong is not going to practice law in this state. he's done, too. you can rant all you want. it is OVER.

The question now is whether Mangum stabbed Daye in self defense or was, herself, the aggressor. THAT, bro, is up to the jury to decide. And, in spite of all your interference, the trail will happen and the jury will make up its mind based on evidence.....not your fantasies. I want Mangum to have a fair trial; whether she stabbed Daye is not the issue. She IS going to go to trial. Proximate cause is clear in this case....again...in spite of your speculations to the contrary. If Vann thinks otherwise, he will fight this issue in court.......he will NOT get the charges thrown out based on some hairbrained notion that the Duke doctors killed Daye, as part of the heehaw conspiracy.
You can whine all you want. It's your right. Help yourself.
WHEN this case go to trial, THEN the evidence will be presented. If you had Mangum's best interests at heart, bro, you would have never stuck your nose in her business, illegally published documents, and participated in actions that led to Shella's withdrawal. Mangum lost an excellent attorney. Shame on you

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
with regard to the bathroom door..
there is no evidence in the document you illegally posted as to how it was kicked, whether it was kicked in, when it was kicked in, who kicked it, if anybody did, and why it was kicked, if it was.
You are making false conclusions out of air. Just like you made a false conclusion when you said the knife, definitively, was a paring knife. Just like when you made a false conclusion that the argument was about money. Just like when you said duke doctors killed mr. daye.


It makes sense that Reginald Daye kicked in the locked bathroom door in order to get at Crystal. Photographs confirm that. Crystal did not kick in the bathroom door. That Daye kicked in the door comes directly from Crystal.

Regarding the knife, Crystal told me that she didn't know exactly what type of knife and that it could have been a steak knife. The information I got from my sources earlier was evidently incorrect as my source stated that it was a paring knife. Sources are not always correct. Even the media has made mistakes, such as falsely reporting that Daye was stabbed multiple times. So their sources were wrong! Right? Ask them for an apology!

Regarding the argument between Crystal and Daye, my sources got that wrong again. I was told it was about finances, money, and beer. Crystal enlightened me with the truth when she told me that Daye was in a jealous rage and arguing about her alleged flirting with a police officer.

Regarding Mr. Daye's death, it is factual that it followed his elective removal from life support by the Duke Hospital staff. The stab wound had nothing to do with Daye's death... period.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
The jury will decide whether Mangum is guilty as charged, harr. even an indiot can figure that much out....
are you suggesting that YOU, not the jury, should decide to let Mangum out of jail? That doesn't make sense, even for you.


What I am saying is that this case should never get to court. It has already kept an innocent person wrongly incarcerated for more than a year and wasted taxpayer dollars in doing so. Why waste more money to continue the prosecution?

I believe that Durham Districe Attorney Leon Stanback should decide to have the charges against Mangum dismissed and release her from jail because the prosecution does not have a case against her.

This sort of nonsense and injustice would not be happening if Mike Nifong was the Durham district attorney.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
The lax hoax is over, harr. it is done. stick a fork in it. nifong is not going to practice law in this state. he's done, too. you can rant all you want. it is OVER.

The question now is whether Mangum stabbed Daye in self defense or was, herself, the aggressor. THAT, bro, is up to the jury to decide. And, in spite of all your interference, the trail will happen and the jury will make up its mind based on evidence.....not your fantasies. I want Mangum to have a fair trial; whether she stabbed Daye is not the issue. She IS going to go to trial. Proximate cause is clear in this case....again...in spite of your speculations to the contrary. If Vann thinks otherwise, he will fight this issue in court.......he will NOT get the charges thrown out based on some hairbrained notion that the Duke doctors killed Daye, as part of the heehaw conspiracy.
You can whine all you want. It's your right. Help yourself.
WHEN this case go to trial, THEN the evidence will be presented. If you had Mangum's best interests at heart, bro, you would have never stuck your nose in her business, illegally published documents, and participated in actions that led to Shella's withdrawal. Mangum lost an excellent attorney. Shame on you


Homey, if I have anything to say about it, the charges against Mangum will be dismissed... sooner rather than later because the prosecution has no case regarding either of the charges.

Thereby, go ye enlightened.

Anonymous said...

Well in spite of your blown headed ego, you dont have anything to say about it........

Anonymous said...

Sid does not understand proximate cause, walt. Wow.....room temperature intellect here?

Anonymous said...

Sid continues to portray opinion as fact. He continues to adjust and modify the story to suit the evolving evidence. Mangum did it over an over.
Nichols is right. She stabbed him. He died. Period. Harr can tap dance till gregory hines has a coronary, and it wont change the evidence. If harr were a lawyer, h would know that proximate cause is well established in this case.
You know i think harr is right......if nifong were in office and he needed the black vote, he might let sister have a pass. Of course, the problem is that her victim was black too. That might make it hard for old bathrobe boy to squirm his way out.

Lance the Intern said...

Sid -- Are you saying that Crystal Mangum will be declared innocent if the DA dismisses the charges against her?

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"Homey, if I have anything to say about it, the charges against Mangum will be dismissed... sooner rather than later because the prosecution has no case regarding either of the charges.

Thereby, go ye enlightened."

SIDN(inn)EY, you have had your say about a lot of things and it has had as much effectiveness as an arrow against the side of a tank.

I would tell you to go enlighten yourself, but you, as a deluded megalomaniac, are incapable of doing so.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"I believe that Durham Districe Attorney Leon Stanback should decide to have the charges against Mangum dismissed and release her from jail because the prosecution does not have a case against her."

It is because of statements like this that I believe you think Black people like yourself are above the law.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(yporite)ARR(acist):

"Regarding the argument between Crystal and Daye, my sources got that wrong again. I was told it was about finances, money, and beer. Crystal enlightened me with the truth when she told me that Daye was in a jealous rage and arguing about her alleged flirting with a police officer."

Your original source was probably Crystal. It has been her pattern to change the story as she goes along. That is what she did after she falsely accused the Lacrosse players of raping her.

Anonymous said...

SIDN)inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist:

"Regarding Mr. Daye's death, it is factual that it followed his elective removal from life support by the Duke Hospital staff. The stab wound had nothing to do with Daye's death... period."

It is factual that Reginald Daye died after being taken off of life support. It is also factual that he was placed on life support because of complications of the Crystal-inflicted stab wound.

What is not factual that, when he arrested, the ET tube was placed in the esophagus.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"This sort of nonsense and injustice would not be happening if Mike Nifong was the Durham district attorney."

That is correct. DA NI(nny)FONG prosecuted the innocent, falsely Lacrosse players to win votes from the Black Community of Durham county. Prosecuting a Black woman, even if she were guilty, would have never gotten him any votes from the Black community.

Anonymous said...

SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"Regarding the knife, Crystal told me that she didn't know exactly what type of knife and that it could have been a steak knife. The information I got from my sources earlier was evidently incorrect as my source stated that it was a paring knife. Sources are not always correct."

You kept insisting that the stabbing weapon was a paring knife. When someone pointed out to you that the media said the stabbing weapon was a kitchen knife, you replied that a paring knife is a kitchen knife so you did not mislead anyone.

You kept defending your sources as reliable and knowledgeable about the case. I repeat, your original source was probably Crystal and you changed the story when Crystal changed the story.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"Regarding the argument between Crystal and Daye, my sources got that wrong again. I was told it was about finances, money, and beer."

Maybe you would like to identify who those sources were and why you found them so credible, and why Crystal told you a story completely different from what those sources told you.

I say, a third time, I believe your original source was Crystal and when she changed her story you changed your story.

I further say, you could have coached her to change her story when you realized the public was not buying your story of knowledgeable, anonymous sources.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"What I am saying is that this case should never get to court. It has already kept an innocent person wrongly incarcerated for more than a year and wasted taxpayer dollars in doing so."

Your declaration of Crysta's innocence has no legal weight. Just ask your friend Professor Coleman.

Black, disgraced, soon to be disbarred former DA Tracey Cline kept innocent black men incarcerated for prolonged periods. You have never mentioned that. You avoid finding out the information then claim ignorance.

That shows you are in a much more profound state of ignorance that you realize.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"]The accusation] That Daye kicked in the door comes directly from Crystal."

So?

Crystal is hardly a credible witness, which was established after she falsely accused three innocent Caucasian men of raping her.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"[The accusation] That Daye kicked in the door comes directly from Crystal."

That accusation did not "comes directly from Crystal" until over a year after she was arrested, until you talked to her.

Could it be that you coached her to make that accusation?

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"It has already kept an innocent person wrongly incarcerated for more than a year and wasted taxpayer dollars in doing so."

Unlike the bogus Duke Lacrosse rape case, no legal authority has expressed any belief in Crystal's innocence. By the logic you apply to the wrongfully accused Lacrosse defendants, you have no grounds to declare her innocent.

So, again I name you hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"Why waste more money to continue the prosecution?"

How much public money did DA NI(nny)FONG waste prosecuting the innocent, wrongfully accused Lacrosse players just so he could win an election?

Anonymous said...

Dr. Harr, as the host of this blog, it's my opinion you should use some discretion in allowing such blatant and racist hate speech to remain posted. Failure to censor it makes you look bad and disgusts many who want justice to prevail. If this becomes just another cesspool of hate like "Liestoppers", I'm out of here.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

Anonymous said...

"Dr. Harr, as the host of this blog, it's my opinion you should use some discretion in allowing such blatant and racist hate speech to remain posted. Failure to censor it makes you look bad and disgusts many who want justice to prevail. If this becomes just another cesspool of hate like "Liestoppers", I'm out of here.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996"

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RE(cist)L, with futility, strikes again.

Anonymous said...

That last post from "Malek Williams" is another word for word copy of a post by KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L, something KEN(inny) posted many many months ago.

Has KEN(inny) ever explained why all of "Malek Williams" posts, except for the first to appear on J4N are all word for word copies of his posts?

No.

Anonymous said...

Geez malek, dont you think it's about time to give up the high school signature thing? Most of us kinda got past high school by the ten year anniversary. You still singing the fight song and wearin your prom tux?
Come on kennnnnnnny,.......

Anonymous said...

Anyone whoever believed the Duke lacrosse players were actually guilty is a black racist or an idiot.

kenhyderal said...

Really Dr. Harr, I think, as host of this blog, you should put a stop to the re-posting of my comments, by Malek Williams under his signature. I appreciate that he wants to be a character reference for Crystal but the way he is going about it does not help achieve that. To her detractors, it's serving to call into question the authenticity of the support that all who actually know her, have for her. I hope, as a friend and classmate he will consider that his actions may be achieving an effect opposite to what he intends and is actually bolstering those who wish to tear her down.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:48 said: "Anyone whoever believed the Duke lacrosse players were actually guilty is a black racist or an idiot"............ Some would give their subjective opinion on that and say, "the same holds true of anyone who believes them to be totally innocent"

Anonymous said...

Ken - They were proven innocent because the crime was impossible and Nifong knew it never happened.That's why he was disbarred and put in jail.No white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal Mangum.You'll just have to take my word for it.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"Anonymous @ 6:48 said: 'Anyone whoever believed the Duke lacrosse players were actually guilty is a black racist or an idiot"............ Some would give their subjective opinion on that and say, 'the same holds true of anyone who believes them to be totally innocent'"

KEN(inny), the evidence shows conclusively that no rape occurred. Ergo, as a matter of fact, not opinion, the accused Duke Lacrosse players are innoceent.

Anyone who keeps offering an implausible, ridiculous hypothesis that a rape did occur but was covered up is a racist.

Look in a mirror.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)R(acist)L:

"Really Dr. Harr, I think, as host of this blog, you should put a stop to the re-posting of my comments, by Malek Williams under his signature."

KEN(inny), I believe you have more control over that then SIDN(inn)EY. I hope this means this activity will cease.

kenhyderal said...

I find your intimation offensive.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 7:33 AM 6/7/12 said: "The lax hoax is over, harr. it is done. stick a fork in it. nifong is not going to practice law in this state. he's done, too. you can rant all you want. it is OVER"...........
That's wishful thinking. As long as the greedy civil suits proceed, Defendants will be interested in determining, in the courts, all of the facts. And, that's why the Plaintiffs continue on, relentlessly, to discredit Crystal by publishing gossip, rumours and lies. You say it's over but six, plus, years on, blogs such as Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers have multiple posts, each and every day, promoting the Player' as innocent victims and attacking Crystal.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"I find your intimation offensive."

I find your denials implausible.

kenhyderal said...

1oops that should read Player's

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"Anonymous @ 7:33 AM 6/7/12 said: 'The lax hoax is over, harr. it is done. stick a fork in it. nifong is not going to practice law in this state. he's done, too. you can rant all you want. it is OVER'...........
That's wishful thinking. As long as the greedy civil suits proceed, Defendants will be interested in determining, in the courts, all of the facts. And, that's why the Plaintiffs continue on, relentlessly, to discredit Crystal by publishing gossip, rumours and lies. You say it's over but six, plus, years on, blogs such as Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers have multiple posts, each and every day, promoting the Player' as innocent victims and attacking Crystal."

In case you haven't noticed, KEN(inny), the civil suit defendants are trying desperately to keep the facts from coming out.

One fact that has come out is that the Lacrosse players ARE innocent of the accusation that they raped Crystal Mangum. I say again, that is a matter of fact, not opinion. What makes it a matter of fact is that it is a matter of fact that the alleged rape never happened.

Crystal may not be in the trouble she finds herself now in if exploiting racists, like you, had not tried to push the lie, that she was raped and the rape was covered up.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"1oops that should read Player's"

Your whole last post was an oops which you choose to ignore. It is another attempt to promulgate your racist lie, that Crystal was raped, that Lacrosse players participated, and that covered up the rape.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said; "I find your denials implausible"....... I'll make you a challenge; if I can prove to you I am not Malek Williams will you post an apology to me and then cease and desist your childish and disrespectful word play game with my name and the names of others,i21 like Dr.Harr, former DA Nifong and Duke Lacrosse victim Miss Crystal Mangum

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar)

I should have said: Your whole last post was an oops which you choose to ignore. It is another attempt to promulgate your racist lie, that Crystal was raped, that Lacrosse players participated, and that the rape was covered up.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"if I can prove to you I am not Malek Williams will you post an apology to me and then cease and desist your childish and disrespectful word play game with my name and the names of others,i21 like Dr.Harr, former DA Nifong and Duke Lacrosse victim Miss Crystal Mangum"

You have already tried to prove it and your proofs are not credible. Why should I find anything you post as proof credible. You seem to think you have proven Crystal was raped by concocting some totally implausible hypothesis.

So far as the Name games, neither you nor SIDN(inn)EY like confronting what you are.

That is my opinion.

If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"Duke Lacrosse victim Miss Crystal Mangum"

Who!?

Crystal is the Duke Lacrosse victimizer.

That sge was a victim is another lie you and SIDN(inn)EY try to promulgate.

One thing you got right is that I have no respect either for you or SIDN(inn)EY, or for disgraced DA NI(nny)FONG.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"I'll make you a challenge; if I can prove to you I am not Malek Williams will you post an apology".

Wrong Challenge.

I believe you are not Malek Williams. I also believe you are copying and pasting your own comments and attributing them to Malek Williams. I believe that because I consider your denials not credible, just like most of what you post.

So whether or not you are Malek Williams is irrelevant.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 19:15 said: "I believe you are not Malek Williams"............ Ahh, step one. Now all I have to do is prove the posts came from Malek Williams and not from me. This should not be difficult to do. And if I do, will you at least publically apologize to me.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 9:54 said: "exploiting racists, like you" ......... It blows my mind how those who tolerate and support selective justice based on race are trying to turn the tables on those who are fighting against this injustice. Accusing victims of the injustices you perpetuate is worse then hypocritical.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

""I believe you are not Malek Williams"............ Ahh, step one. Now all I have to do is prove the posts came from Malek Williams and not from me. This should not be difficult to do. And if I do, will you at least publically apologize to me."

In the words of some Duke official who was asked it the University would apologize to the wrongfully accused Lacrosse players, "For What".

I have my opinion, that you are not a credible person.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"It blows my mind how those who tolerate and support selective justice based on race are trying to turn the tables on those who are fighting against this injustice. Accusing victims of the injustices you perpetuate is worse then hypocritical."

What makes you think you have a mind which can be blown.

What labels you as a racist hypocrite is that you call it an injustice based on race and class that it was proven by objective methods that Crystal Mangum was not raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006 and you try to push the lie that she was.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"Accusing victims of the injustices you perpetuate is worse then hypocritical."

What victim did I accuse. I have stated that Crystal was a false accuser.

Forensic testing of the rape kit conclusively proved she had not raped been raped.

Ergo, forensic testing of the rape kit proved she was a false accuser.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"It blows my mind how those who tolerate and support selective justice based on race are trying to turn the tables on those who are fighting against this injustice."

What injustice are you fighting against? The only injustice in the Duke Lacrosse case was that innocent men were falsely accused and wrongfully prosecuted for raping Crystal Mangum.

You are trying to promulgate that injustice. That is why I name you a racist hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

Here is something from a number of posts ago:

"Anonymous @ 5:16 said: ' Your most delusional fantasy is that the indicted players would have racked up millions of dollars in legal expenses when they could have saved themselves a lot of money and stress by identifying the perpetrators' ........... Even if they split the civil suit awards with their trial lawyers, they have come out of this process wealthy enough to join the 1% and probably with more to come. And, as far as thier reputation is concerned, thanks to blogs like DIW and Liestoppers, sattelite radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and TV shows like The O'Reilly Factor. most people beleive these are poor innocent "choir-boys" preyed on by a the evil sorceress".

You are implying that the three innocent Lacrosse players submitted to a wrongful prosecution in order to later sue those who prosecuted them.

If you knew anything about tort law(I do even if I am not a trained lawyer), you would know that is a course of action which would preclude filing a civil suit.

It comes under something likelimiting damages. One may suffer a wrongful injury and then refuse medical treatment for that injury, then sue to recover increased medical costs because thr injury worsened as a result of his not seeking treatment.

If there had been a crime, if the Lacrosse players knew who had perpetrated that crime but allowed themselves to be wrongfully prosecuted in order later to have a cause of action against those who had prosecuted them, then they failed to reduce the damages suffered.

Ergo, covering up for the real perpetrators, if there really were real perpetrators to cover up for, would not be a way to wealth for the innocent Lacrosse players.

It is your delusions like this which lead me to believe you do not have a mind capable of being blown.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

A clarification.


It comes under limiting damages. One may suffer a wrongful injury and then refuse medical treatment for that injury, then sue to recover increased medical costs because the injury worsened as a result of his not seeking treatment. The injury worsened because of his actions, not because of the actions of whoever injured him. Whoever injured him would not owe him increased compensation.

I add, just ask someone like SIDN(inn)EY's friend Professor Coleman.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

Here is a word of advice.

When you are in a confrontation, do not admit to your opponent know that his tactics are hurting you.

That only encourages your opponent to continue those tactics.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):

"[The accusation] That Daye kicked in the door comes directly from Crystal."

That accusation did not "comes directly from Crystal" until over a year after she was arrested, until you talked to her.

Could it be that you coached her to make that accusation?


Who do you think kicked in the bathroom door? Crystal? Daye's nephew? A masked intruder? It only makes sense that Daye kicked in the door to get at Crystal who locked herself in the bathroom. Especially with clumps of her hair found by the door.

Regarding the statement from Crystal, it was not until more than a year after she was arrested that I had a chance to directly talk to her and hear the unvarnished truth.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @11:34 said: "You are implying that the three innocent Lacrosse players submitted to a wrongful prosecution in order to later sue those who prosecuted them"......... I'm implying no such thing. The Players had no choice in the matter. They were prosecuted because of evidence that they committed a crime. When their lawyers were able to refute some of the evidence and raise reasonable doubt the prosecution decided they could not get a conviction. It was at that point the Players and their greedy trial lawyers saw dollar signs big-time.

Anonymous said...

SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):


"Regarding the statement from Crystal, it was not until more than a year after she was arrested that I had a chance to directly talk to her and hear the unvarnished truth."

You may claim you did not get the statement from Crystal until more the year after she was arrested. Whenever you did talk to her, I doubt you have ever gotten the unvarnished truth from her.

She says the unvarnished truth is she was raped on he night of 13/14 March 2006. Forensic testing of the rape kit showed that was not true.

With regard to who kicked in the bathroom door, if that will be part of Crystal's defense, she incurs the burden of proving it. Asking who else could have done it except Reginald Daye is not proof.

Just ask your friend Professor Colemanm.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 11:41 said: "When you are in a confrontation, do not admit to your opponent know that his tactics are hurting you.
That only encourages your opponent to continue those tactics"........ Don't worry about my feelings. I'm a big boy and I can take whatever you can dish out. I'm afraid I'm not as good a Christian, though, as the good Dr. Harr. He shows admirable forebearance and always turns the other cheek. Me, I tend to fight back. I do get a certain amount of satisfaction, though, when all my opponents can do is claim that things have been established as fact, when it's simply not the case. At that point they usually show, to any objective person they're losing the argument by resorting to calling me names.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar:

"'You are implying that the three innocent Lacrosse players submitted to a wrongful prosecution in order to later sue those who prosecuted them'......... I'm implying no such thing. The Players had no choice in the matter. They were prosecuted because of evidence that they committed a crime. When their lawyers were able to refute some of the evidence and raise reasonable doubt the prosecution decided they could not get a conviction. It was at that point the Players and their greedy trial lawyers saw dollar signs big-time."

Yes you are implying that the Three falsely accused Lacrosse players submitted to a wrongful prosecution in order to file a civil lawsuit.

The three innocent players were not being prosecuted because of any evidence against them. There was nothing to refute. There was no evidence that they or anyone raped Crystal. That is why DA NI(nny)FONG tried to manufacture evidence via that improperly conducted lineup(which, even though it was improper, did not yield reliable identifications.

The civil suits occurred because the DA, NI(nny)FONG prosecuted anyway, thinking he could bully the Lacrosse players into pleading to something and he would win the election for DA.

Learn something about tort law. Raising reasonable doubt in a criminal case is not grounds for filing a wrongful prosecution suit.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocritez)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

"Don't worry about my feelings. I'm a big boy and I can take whatever you can dish out."

No you aren't and no you can't. Otherwise you would not have been pleading with SID(ninny) to make me stop.

So far as matters established as fact, it has been established as fact that Crystal was not raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006. That you come up with a delusional, totally incredible hypothesis as to what happened does not refute that fact.

You keep dodging a very significant fact, how could a semen depositing rape occur without leaving evidence of semen on the rape kit.

It is a tacit admission you can not refute that or any other fact in the case.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny), in case you haven't noticed, the Criminal Defense lawyers are not handling the civil suits.

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kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @2:18 said : "No you aren't and no you can't. Otherwise you would not have been pleading with SID(ninny) to make me stop" ...........Pleading about you with Dr.Harr? No; I've done no such thing. I have pleaded with him to censor the hate speech directed against African American people, though, which I find totally offensive and hurtful I'm only suggesting you should stop your juvenile word games because it's making you look ridiculous and not adding anything useful to any of your discourse. I do find though it serves to identify you from the myriad other anonymous posters that Dr, Harr calls "The Anonymi"

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2: 19 said: "KEN(inny), in case you haven't noticed, the Criminal Defense lawyers are not handling the civil suits"................. OK let me insert the word "new" between "their" and the words "greedy trial Lawyers"

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"Anonymous @2:18 said : 'No you aren't and no you can't. Otherwise you would not have been pleading with SID(ninny) to make me stop' ...........Pleading about you with Dr.Harr? No; I've done no such thing."

Yes you have.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"I have pleaded with him(SIDN(inn)EY) to censor the hate speech directed against African American people, though, which I find totally offensive and hurtful".

Yet you indulge in racially motivated hate speech directed against Caucasians.

That is another reason I name you hypocrite>

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"I'm only suggesting you should stop your juvenile word games because it's making you look ridiculous and not adding anything useful to any of your discourse."

You ignore my advice, not to telegraph to your opponent in a confrontation that his tactics are bothering you.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"Anonymous @ 2: 19 said: 'KEN(inny), in case you haven't noticed, the Criminal Defense lawyers are not handling the civil suits'................. OK let me insert the word "new" between 'their' and the words "'greedy trial Lawyers'".

Whatever you write, it does not change that you implied that the three innocent Lacrosse players submitted to a wrongful prosecution in order to have grounds for a civil lawsuit against whoever prosecuted them.

It does not change that you know very little how the wrongful prosecution went.

Do some research before you open your mouth and stick your foot in it.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

Here's an offer for you. You and SIDN(inn)EY. You admit you are deluded, racist hypocrite ninnies and I would have no motivation for playing these games with your names.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @5:05 said: "You ignore my advice, not to telegraph to your opponent in a confrontation that his tactics are bothering you" I don't see this as a contest. I'm simply fighting for what I assume to be right.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:00 PM said : "Yet you indulge in racially motivated hate speech directed against Caucasians" No I do not. If this case had involved a white girl and a Basketball Team comprised of African American athletes, given the same circumstances my reaction would have been the same. So, I believe would have former DA Nifong's reaction.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:57 said: "Yes you have"......... An example, please.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @5:10 said : "Whatever you write, it does not change that you implied that the three innocent Lacrosse players submitted to a wrongful prosecution in order to have grounds for a civil lawsuit against whoever prosecuted them"...........
You need to check out the time-line. At any rate, I don't imply. I come right out and state what I believe without resorting to anonymity

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"I don't see this as a contest. I'm simply fighting for what I assume to be right."

You are fighting to promulgate a great injustice, that innocent Caucasian men should have been wrongfully convicted of rape because they were falsely accused by a black woman.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"Anonymous @ 5:00 PM said : 'Yet you indulge in racially motivated hate speech directed against Caucasians' No I do not. If this case had involved a white girl and a Basketball Team comprised of African American athletes, given the same circumstances my reaction would have been the same. So, I believe would have former DA Nifong's reaction."

DA NI(nny)FONG made a public spectacle out of the Duke Rape Hoax because he believed, in return for prosecuting Caucasian men from well to do families, Durham's black electorate would support him in the election for DA. That belief proved to be correct.

Prosecuting Black men, athletes or not, for raping a white woman, would not have won DA NI(nny)FONG any support from the Black community. Ergo, he would not have made such a public spectacle of Black athletes raping a white woman.

Black Man Michael Jermaine Burch raped a white girl. That case happened on DA NI(nny)FONG's watch. It did not become a public spectacle.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"You need to check out the time-line. At any rate, I don't imply. I come right out and state what I believe without resorting to anonymity".

Time line of what?

DA NI(nny)FONG never had any hard evidence to link any Duke Lacrosse player to the alleged rape of Crystal Mangum. He conducted an improper lineup to manufacture evidence he could present to a grand jury.

The Time line of the Lacrosse hoax was as follows:

Crystal alleges she was raped.

DA NI(nny)FONG publicly states that a crime occurred, that Lacrosse players were the perpetrators, and the crime was racially motivated. He publicly stated that members of the Lacrosse team had witnessed the alleged crime and were not coming forward.

SBI Crime lab testing of the rape kit reveals there is no semen on the rape kit, indicating the rape had not happened.

DA NI(nny)FONG says he will prosecute anyway.

DNA Security testing confirms that no semen is present on the rape kit and that the only DNA found on Crystal's person matches only males who were not Lacrosse players. DA NI(nny)FONG deliberately conceals the evidence from the Lacrosse defendants.

DA NI(nny)FING has an improper lineup procedure conducted which fails to yield any reliable identification of any Lacrosse player as a perpetrator of the alleged crime. He requests the Grand Jury hand down indictments anyway, which it does.

Somewhere along the way, DA NI(nny)FONG tries to intimidate Moez Elmostafa into changing his statement supporting Reade Seligman's alibi.

Complaints arise about how DA NI9nny)FONG is handling the case, especially his inflammatory pre indictment statements presuming guilt of Lacrosse players.

The Defense team learns DA NI(nny)FONG concealed the exculpatory evidence found by DNA Security.

NC State Bar files a complaint against DA NI(nny)FONG. They file and amended complaint when they learn he concealed exculpatory evidence.

DA NI(nny)FONG asks the Attorney General to take over the case.

Attorney General's office thoroughly reviews the evidence of the case(something which SID(ninny) never did, talks to people in the case, including Crystal, concludes there is no evidence of a crime.

AG's office dismisses all charges. AG Cooper expresses his belief that the accused were innocent and were wrongfully prosecuted.

DA NI(nny)FONG never had any probable cause to prosecute anyone for the alleged crime.

The Defense attorneys did not have to refute anything. The case imploded from the weigh of DA NI(nny)FONG's unethical and illegal conduct of the wrongful prosecution.

Like so many things, KEN(inny) you got it wrong.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L(iar):

"At any rate, I don't imply. I come right out and state what I believe without resorting to anonymity".

Okay, have it your way. You stated that the accused Lacrosse players submitted to a wrongful prosecution in order to have a cause of action later.

What evidence implicated members of the Lacrosse team in a rape of Crystal? Crystal's allegation is not in and of itself evidence.

Crystal's identification of the three defendants did not come until after the forensic evidence of the rape kit revealed no evidence implicating any member of the Lacrosse team.

I say again, the lineup procedure was improper, and even though it was improper, it did not yield any reliable identifications.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"The Players had no choice in the matter. They were prosecuted because of evidence that they committed a crime."

What specific evidence did DA NI(nny)FONG have that implicated the three defendants in the commission of the alleged crime?

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"With the American SECOND(emphasis added) ammendment(sic) rights, the only defence against this type of hate speech is public exposure of it's ignorance.

The Second Amendment(note proper spelling) to the US Constitution:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

What do well regulated militias and keeping and bearing arms have to do with hate speech?

KEN(inny), your ignorance is again glaringly showing.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"With the American second ammendment(sic) rights, the only defence against this type of hate speech is public exposure of it's ignorance."

You sure do not like the public exposure of your ignorance.

kenhyderal said...

I meant the first amendment

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 7:25 said: "Okay, have it your way. You stated that the accused Lacrosse players submitted to a wrongful prosecution in order to have a cause of action later" No I did not state that. You drew a conclusion as to what I meant. When it became clear that the Prosecution could not prove a case against any Player, it was then an opportunity to sue presented itself. The success of these suits depended on further investigation into the actual event cease and have the focus be directed towards wrong doing by President Broadhead, DA Nifong and by trashing the credibility ov victim, Crystal.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"No I did not state that. You drew a conclusion as to what I meant. When it became clear that the Prosecution could not prove a case against any Player, it was then an opportunity to sue presented itself. The success of these suits depended on further investigation into the actual event cease and have the focus be directed towards wrong doing by President Broadhead, DA Nifong and by trashing the credibility ov victim, Crystal.

Say it, imply it, whatever, the idea you expressed is that the Lacrosse players deliberately submitted to a false prosecution in order to have a cause of action.

It was obvious at the start of the case that DA NI(nny)FONG had no case. Forensic exam of the rape kit revealed that no rape had occurred. Since no rape had occurred, any further investigation would have been fruitless. In any event, it was not the responsibility of the innocent Lacrosse players or their attorneys to instigate any further investigation. It would have been the responsibility of the DA to do so, and NI(nny)FONG, from the start refused to do so. So why do you blame the Lacrosse players?

The individuals you name, especially corrupt DA NI(nny)FONG, were involved in the wrongful prosecution of the Lacrosse players and in inappropriate action against the unindicted players.

Crystal was proven to be a false accuser.

KEN(inny), you again put your ignorance of the Lacrosse hoax on display.

I ask again, what specific evidence did DA NI(nny)FONG have that implicated members of the Lacrosse team in the alleged crime?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 9:15 said: "Say it, imply it, whatever, the idea you expressed is that the Lacrosse players deliberately submitted to a false prosecution in order to have a cause of action"........ I neither said that or implied that. You have misinterpreted what I have said/implied.

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Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

How would further investigation into the rape case have precluded the innocent Lacrosse players from filing a civil suit for wrongful prosecution, for violations of their civil rights?

If a further investigation did reveal that Crystal had been raped by non LAXers, that would only confirm that the innocent Lacrosse players had been wongfully prosecuted.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

" Anonymous @ 9:15 said: "Say it, imply it, whatever, the idea you expressed is that the Lacrosse players deliberately submitted to a false prosecution in order to have a cause of action"........ I neither said that or implied that. You have misinterpreted what I have said/implied."

No I am not.

You are denying.

Like all your previous denials, your most recent denials are not credible. You are not a credible person.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

How could the innocent Lacrosse players or their attorneys have prevented the Durham DA's office from continuing an investigation into Crystal's allegation of rape?

Why was there no further investigation? There was nothing further to investigate.

The so called facts you have come up with are conjecture and speculation, nothing more.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)R(cist)L(iar):

I ask for the third time, specify what evidence DA NI(nny)FONG had which implicated any member of the Lacrosse team in the crime alleged by Crystal Mangum.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said@ 9:15 AM : "I ask again, what specific evidence did DA NI(nny)FONG have that implicated members of the Lacrosse team in the alleged crime" The alleged crime was said to have occured at a drinking party at the home of a Player and was attended by Players, although not exclusively so. A nurse and doctor at Duke University Hospital found physical signs consistent with a rape. Later forensic evidence cleared the Players but DNA extracted from sperm was found which could not be explained by the victim's given sexual history. Unfortuneately, no effort was made to either identify all who were present at the party or to verify the accuracy of the victim's sexual history leaving the possibility that non-Players present at the party were the source of the DNA found. Semen was thought to have been seen by Dr. Manly but was never confirmed for. Later testing failed to find semen but semen detection needs to be timely.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"Anonymous said@ 9:15 AM : 'I ask again, what specific evidence did DA NI(nny)FONG have that implicated members of the Lacrosse team in the alleged crime' The alleged crime was said to have occured at a drinking party at the home of a Player and was attended by Players, although not exclusively so. A nurse and doctor at Duke University Hospital found physical signs consistent with a rape. Later forensic evidence cleared the Players but DNA extracted from sperm was found which could not be explained by the victim's given sexual history. Unfortuneately, no effort was made to either identify all who were present at the party or to verify the accuracy of the victim's sexual history leaving the possibility that non-Players present at the party were the source of the DNA found. Semen was thought to have been seen by Dr. Manly but was never confirmed for. Later testing failed to find semen but semen detection needs to be timely."

KEN(inny), I asked what specific evidence did DA NI(nny)FONG have to implicate the members of the Lacrosse team in the alleged crime.

"Later forensic evidence CLEARED THE PLAYERS(emphasis added) but DNA extracted from sperm was found which could not be explained by the victim's given sexual history. However "no effort was made...TO VERIFY THE ACCURACY OF THE [alleged] VICTIM'S SEXUAL HISTORY(emphasis added)", which would explain why the alleged victim's history could not account for the male DNA found on her person. This supports what I previously told you - the presence of Male DNA on Crystal's person establishes neither that it was deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006 not that it was deposited there from a rape.

"Later testing failed to find semen but semen detection needs to be timely." It was timely.

You have failed to provide any evidence which would have implicated any Lacrosse player in the alleged rape.

Your ignorance is again on display, KEN(inny).

I figured you would again insert your foot into your mouth.

Anonymous said...

As i said before, the lax hoax is done qnd harr just can't stamd it. I am all for the lax guys suing the ever loving crap out durham and anybody else involved . Duke is hiding stalling as hard as it can, but eventually the guys will prevail and i will applaud when they do.

Harr and kenny can whine and bitch all they want, they can make up fantasies, create the rape phantom, blame the world, and throw all the tantrums they wish. Mangum should get a fair trial and she should be held accountable. The sooner,the better. Thanks to interference from harr, we can expect more delays.

Harr has weaseled out of putting up bail money with his silly truth set her free nonsense. The truth is that harr does not give a horse's backside about mangum.. She can rot in jail, and he won't spring for her bail. Neither will bigot peterson. None of them put up one dime of the last bail money that was required. Hypocrisy, thy name is harr.

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L:

This is on page 7 of "A National Protocol for Sexual Assault Medical Forensic Examinations", accessible as a pdf document:

"Timing considerations for collecting evidence: Although many jurisdictions currently use 72 hours after the assault as the standard cutoff time for collecting evidence, evidence collection beyond that point is conceivable. Because of this, some jurisdictions have extended the standard cutoff time (e.g., to 5 days or 1 week). Advancing DNA technologies continue to extend time limits because of the stability of DNA and sensitivity of testing. These technologies are even enabling forensic scientists to analyze evidence that was previously unusable when it was collected years ago. Thus, it is critical that in every case where patients are willing, examiners obtain the medical forensic history, examine patients, and document findings. Not only can the information gained from the history and exam help health care providers address patients’ medical needs, but it can guide examiners in determining whether there is evidence to collect and, if so, what to collect."

Crystal's rape kit was collected within 12 hours. According to national criteria, that was timely enough to get valid results.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @12:48 said: "Crystal's rape kit was collected within 12 hours. According to national criteria, that was timely enough to get valid results" Certainly so for DNA but not the case for the presence of semen regardless of the type of test used.

Anonymous said...

There is not one shred of evidence that mangum was raped. None zip. There IS evidence that she was sexually active and there IS evidence that she lied about her sex activities. She said the only sexual contact she had had recently prior to the night of the rape hoax was sex with her boyfriend a week prior to the party. That was a lie as tHe test results showed. When confronted with the results, she changed her story and said she might have had sex with somebody else but couldnt remember. Another lie to fit the evidence.
Now we have mangum once again creating a story to suit evidence. Same old crystal. Same old harr. An immoral characterless woman and a pathetic little man , acting out his hate and need for attention by using her

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

"Anonymous @12:48 said: 'Crystal's rape kit was collected within 12 hours. According to national criteria, that was timely enough to get valid results' Certainly so for DNA but not the case for the presence of semen regardless of the type of test used."

Yes it was. What was tested for were acid phosphatase and PSA, which can persist beyond just a few minutes.

Suppose you cite some resource which states the testing for semen on a rape kit must be done within a matter of minutes.

This is but another attempt on your part to dodge a fact you don't want to confront, that forensic testing of the rape kit showed a rape had not taken place.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 9:55 said: "Like all your previous denials, your most recent denials are not credible. You are not a credible person"...... I, Ken Edwards ask, readers of this blog, who has more credibility, myself, an identifiable person, who gives his opinions openly or a name-calling person who hides his identity by posting anonymously.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @1:55 said: " Suppose you cite some resource which states the testing for semen on a rape kit must be done within a matter of minutes" I have posted this link before but here it is again.
http://what-when-how.com/forensic-sciences/sexual-assault-and-semen-persistence/

Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lusional)RA(cist)L(iar):

From the URL you gave me:

"One report found morphologically intact spermatozoa in the vagina of a rape-homicide victim who had been dead 16 days. A more recent report describes the recovery of intact spermatozoa from the vagina of a homicide victim at 34 days postmortem. This victim also had detectable p30 on the vaginal swab. No information was available in either report as to the time interval between deposition of semen and death."

The rape kit material from Crystal Mangum was tested in a lot less than 16 days.

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