Sunday, June 17, 2012

Durham Prosecutors: “Oops!” Charges dropped against two in the Durham cult murder case

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On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Durham prosecutors dismissed charges of “accessory after the fact” against Sheilda Evelyn Harris and Sheila Falisha Moses, the mother and sister respectively of Peter Lucas Moses Jr. The day before, Peter Moses pled guilty to the murders of four year-old Jadon Higganbothan and Antoinetta Yvonne McCoy, in her late twenties. Sheilda Harris and Sheila Moses were amongst a group of six people other than Peter Moses who were charged with murder shortly after the bodies of the two victims were discovered a year ago around June 8, 2011.

The reasons the Durham prosecutors had for dismissing the charges against Peter Moses’ mother and sister are unknown to media, and not having access to prosecution discovery, I can supply no reason either, other than the fact that evidence for bringing the charges never existed in the first place. A year ago, when the two were arrested, Sheilda Harris and Sheila Moses were charged with murder and ordered to be held without bail. However, some time during the interval, the charge used to hold them behind bars was changed to “accessory after the fact.”

What is bothersome regarding the others who are charged with “accessory after the fact” in the cult murder case is the probability that much of the prosecutor’s case will rely on testimony from Peter Lucas Moses, who entered into a plea deal to spare him from the death penalty. Surely such testimony from a confessed murderer in cooperation with prosecutors lacks credibility from the git-go.

Dismissal of the accessory charge against them was not of insignificant consequence as both of them in essence served a one year term for committing no crime. In dropping the charges, the Durham prosecutors are admitting to mistakenly arresting and incarcerating Sheilda Harris and Sheila Moses… holding them in jail custody for more than a year… and subjecting them to scorn, shame, and ridicule by media reports spreading their names and faces across the state. Dropping the charges against them will not restore the lost year of their lives, which the prosecutors were all to eager and unapologetically to take from them… neither will it remove the emotional and physical scars they suffered as a result of their unjust incarceration… nor will it cleanse their reputations that have been smeared by the reckless charges and arrests.

The problem with mass arrests and incarcerations based on “accessory after the fact” charges is that it tends to entrap many innocent people who are related to the criminal perpetrator, as in this case, or have a brief interaction with a suspect after the commission of the crime. Prosecutors use the accessory charge to place individuals in jail who are not suspected of taking part in the defining criminal act… they are often implicated solely for their contact with the criminal, not matter how innocent or trivial.

The accessory after the fact charge is too frequently abused by North Carolina prosecutors, often to incarcerate innocent African Americans. This is the charged that was brought by Special Prosecutor Belinda Foster against James Arthur Johnson of Wilson, NC, when prosecutor Bill Wolfe’s bluff was called in his failed attempt to get Johnson to take a plea deal after serving 39 months for murder, rape, and kidnapping charges he obviously did not commit. What is particularly tragic about Johnson’s case is that he provided information which solved the heinous crimes against Brittany Willis. Instead of receiving, from the family and friends of the victim, thanks and the $20,000 reward he earned for going to the police with information that cracked the case open, all Johnson received was more than three years in jail and a criminal record.

However, it is not a rarity in North Carolina for innocent blacks to be arrested and held in jail for lengthy periods of time without there being credible evidence of their being charged. Carletta Alston of Knightdale was recently arrested and charged with the murder of her stepfather. She was imprisoned for a year before the charges against her were dropped. Wake County Prosecutor Tom Ford (who prosecuted an innocent man Gregory Taylor) was evidently unable to find someone to give perjured testimony against Ms. Alston.

The entire North Carolina justice system mentality that approves charging and arresting African Americans first then coming up with credible evidence later, is what nearly led to my arrest at Duke University in April 2010. It was not enough that Duke harassed, humiliated and intimidated me just for being a supporter of Mike Nifong, but it had no compunction about tossing me in jail because I am an African American… fortunately crossing paths with Duke Law Professor James Coleman prevented that.

There is another case in Durham County Prosecutor’s docket that should be immediately dismissed. The murder and larceny charges against Crystal Mangum, the victim/accuser in the Duke Lacrosse case, lack credible evidence and are based on bogus and fraudulent documents… all part of a vendetta prosecution for payback because of her role in the Duke Lacrosse case.

Prosecutor Charlene Coggins-Franks conspired with her predecessor on the case, Kelly Gauger, and medical examiner Clay Nichols to trump up the murder charge against Mangum. Governor Bev Perdue and the Durham district attorney she appointed, Leon Stanback, are aware of the injustice in the charges against Mangum and are in position to rectify them… however, by remaining silent, they are conspirators after the fact.

The fiasco surrounding the charges against Mangum would not be happening if Mike Nifong were the Durham district attorney. Mr. Nifong was a prosecutor of highest integrity who was professionally represented a paragon of a “minister of justice.” Prosecutors and politicians who allow innocent people to remain incarcerated for political reasons are lacking in integrity and morals.

Crystal Mangum has been incarcerated 441 days as of today… a victim of domestic abuse who stabbed Reginald Daye in self defense… a non-fatal stab wound to Daye, who died after elective removal from life support due to an unrelated botched medical procedure by Duke University Hospital staff… a victim of a trumped up larceny charge for cashier’s checks given to her by Daye; cashier’s checks she could not convert for her use; cashier’s checks which Daye retained value of despite lacking physical possession of the paper documents.

It is past time for the state to drop charges against Mangum and release her from jail so that she can reunite with her three young children who have suffered because of her absence in their lives. By dropping charges against Sheilda Harris and Sheila Moses, the state has shown its proficiency in destroying lives of innocent people by taking away years of their liberty. If the state has an ounce of compassion, humanity, ethics, or sense of true justice, it would immediately drop the bogus charges against Crystal Mangum and release her from custody.

Durham prosecutors need to face the fact that Mangum’s freedom is inevitable, and it needs to cut its losses by doing the right thing now, rather than later.

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Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"This ("the sloppy Police work [which] created reasonable doubt") opened the door for huge obscene civil suits."

Whether or not it was due to sloppy police work, how does the creation of reasonable doubt in a criminal case open the door to civil lawsuits?

Here's a clue. When reasonable doubt is established, the DA is ethically and legally not to prosecute. If he is unable to obtain a conviction by establishing guilt beyond a reasonable doubt but prosecutes anyway, that is wrongful prosecution.

What makes it grossly wrongful prosecution that APPOINTED, not ELECTED DA NIFONG tried to obtain convictions by inflaming the public against those who were named as suspects.

I say more than reasonable doubt was established by the investigation. What was established definitively by the forensic investigation that had been done was that Crystal had not been raped.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The Faculty and Administration by acquiesence failed in their fiduciary duty."

There you are correct.

However, said Faculty and Administration failed in their duty by publicly trashing the Lacrosse team, by cooperating illegally with the DPD by wrongfully providing them with confidential information, by pandering to DA NIFONG's exploitation of black on white racism, by failing to denounce him for that, by failing to denounce farm animal faculty members, like Houston Baker, who publicly presumed guilt on the part of the Lacrosse team.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:


"This ("the sloppy Police work [which] created reasonable doubt") opened the door for huge obscene civil suits."

What you seem to define as "sloppy Police work" is only the obtaining of evidence which showed definitively that no rape had occurred.

What are legal ethics for prosecutors in Canada? In the US, one part of legal ethics for prosecutors is that they determine the truth, not prove guilt.

You call it sloppy Police work because you presume guilt and believe, by foul means if necessary, the police obtain evidence which proves guilt.

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Anonymous said...

KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:

KEN(inny) remains in denial. The evidence is overwhelming that Crystal's allegations were untrue.

KHF Supporter said...

Ken: Once the Police botched the investigation

The police did not "botch" an investigation. They never conducted an investigation. Why?

Ken: the DA who was seeking justice

The DA never insisted that the DPD conduct an investigation. Why?

Ken: the sloppy Police work

The police work was not "sloppy." They never conducted an investigation. Why?

Ken: created reasonable doubt

The inculpatory evidence consisted of inconsistent allegations from Mangum, statements from Levicy that were not supported by the SANE exam, unreliable identification and a non-exclusion of Evans from DNA. The identifications and non-exclusion risked being non-admissable in court.

Despite this lack of evidence, the DPD did not conduct an investigation. Nifong did not demand one. Why?

"Believing that" the DPD made some mistakes and that Nifong was seeking justice "seems to me to be awfully naïve."

I do not believe that Ken is awfully naive. He is simply a troll.

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance the Intern said...
"...but I have elected to use the lesser amount as figured by certified public accountants across the country.

Name one.

"..If the transaction were valid and above board, then they would simply state how much the out-of-court settlement was for... right?"

Wrong.

Duke settled because they knew that if the case went to court, they would lose in the court of public opinion -- losing potential students and current alumni donations -- even IF they didn't lose the actual case. Not letting the settlement amount be known was one way of protecting the Duke image.

The bottom line is that Duke dictated the settlement amount and the terms of the settlement -- the LAX players simply agreed to them. You somehow view this as the fault of the players. Odd, that.


What I find odd is that you would think that Duke University made the offer of $20 mil each and that the Duke Lacrosse defendants, not wanting to appear greedy, decided to just go ahead and accept it.

Right!

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"As you are aware, the amount the boys received is outrageous... and that is why all the secrecy. If the transaction were valid and above board, then they would simply state how much the out-of-court settlement was for... right?"

Outrageous only to you.

I believe there was a confidentiality agreement or whatever which prevented the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse defendants from revealing what they received.

So you, as usual, are wrong.


Of course there was a confidentiality agreement! The defendants wanted the amount kept secret so that people wouldn't realize how greedy they and their attorneys are... and Duke University wanted the amount kept secret so that nobody would realize how badly they got shook down my the Duke Lacrosse defendants. They both wanted the amount kept under wraps, ergo the confidentiality clause was desired by both sides.

Fluctuat nec mergitur!

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"What I find odd is that you would think that Duke University made the offer of $20 mil each and that the Duke Lacrosse defendants, not wanting to appear greedy, decided to just go ahead and accept it."

What I find odd is that you DO NOT think it odd that Duke would settle with the innocent Lacrosse Defendants if Duke believed it could prevail against them in court.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The defendants wanted the amount kept secret so that people wouldn't realize how greedy they and their attorneys are... and Duke University wanted the amount kept secret so that nobody would realize how badly they got shook down my the Duke Lacrosse defendants."

Again you got it wrong. Duke wanted the confidentiality agreement because Duke realized, if the amount were revealed, it would reveal how vulnerable and how wrong Duke was in the wrongful prosecution of the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You previously asked why the Innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players would not reveal the amount of the settlement they received.

I pointed out there was a confidentiality agreement.

Now you are trying to evade responsibility for your claim that the innocent, falsely accused Duke defendants could have revealed the amount of the settlement.

SIDNEY, you evade as effectively as did Pretty Boy, in Red Tails, evaded losing to the Tuskegee airmen.

Lance the Intern said...

"What I find odd is that you would think that Duke University made the offer of $20 mil each and that the Duke Lacrosse defendants, not wanting to appear greedy, decided to just go ahead and accept it"

What I find odd is that you continue to claim that the LAX defendants were offered $20 million each, even though you have no evidence whatsoever of this as fact.

But you've proven time and time again that you never let a little thing like facts get in the way of your opinion.

But that will not stop me from continuing to ask for them.

Anonymous said...

It is none of harr's business what the settlement was between duke and thelax guys. It just chaps his backside that he can't cash in himself and those evil white boys did. Thats the real truth here.......

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:58 AM 6/23/12 said" "He is simply a troll"........ No I am not. I only seek justice for my friend Crystal Mangum and justice for her is inextricably linked to justice for Michael Nifong.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 6:58 AM 6/23/12 said" 'He is simply a troll'........ No I am not. I only seek justice for my friend Crystal Mangum and justice for her is inextricably linked to justice for Michael Nifong."

As it has been established that Crystal Mangum falsely accused three innocent men of raping her, that DA NIFONG wrongfully prosecuted those men, that you are trying to revise the history to read that Crystal was raped, it has been established that you are not seeking justice for anyone.

You are seeking to have innocent men charged and convicted or raping Crystal. You are trying to revise one of the grossest injustices in US history.

Anonymous said...

We ALL want justice for mangum. What ken wants is not justice.......he wants exception based on race.

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...
"I only seek justice for my friend Crystal Mangum and justice for her is inextricably linked to justice for Michael Nifong."

What a profound statement, kennyhyderal.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous@4:32 Am said: "You are trying to revise one of the grossest injustices in US history"......... Oh yeah, slavery, segregation and Jim Crow, the internment of Japanese Americans: to all these injustices we must now add the treatment of the poor abused LaX Players.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Oh yeah, slavery, segregation and Jim Crow, the internment of Japanese Americans: to all these injustices we must now add the treatment of the poor abused LaX Players."

Yes I do consider it one of the grossest injustices in American History that a DA, who is supposed to be a minister of justice, would wrongfully prosecute men he knew were innocent, on the unreliable word of a false accuser, just so he could enhance his retirement.

Dragging the red herrings in does not change the facts about the phony Duke rape case, about the Duke Rape Case false accuser, about the Duke Rape Case corrupt prosecutor.

That you do not consider it a gross injustice is evidence you would like the injustices to continue, so long as the injustice is directed at Caucasian men.

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Lance the Intern said...

Per Dr. Clay Nichols "“He was stabbed. He was treated, and as a direct result of his stab wound he died..”

Question for Kenhyderal: Where is Mike Nifong in this series of events?

Anonymous said...

Ken Edwards cited Piot as a credible source for critique of KC Johnson....which I find hilarious. Piot has been substantially discredited as an ethical scholar, including as an example, failing to clarify and declare his intimate physical relationship with a woman(academic) whom he cited in one of his writings. He has provided absolutely NO evidence to back up his claim that the Listening Ad was not targeted toward the LAX event. The Listening Ad: came out within a few days after the party, mentioned the "victim", mentioned outrage over the event itself, and, most astounding, praised the protestors, such as the pot bangers and those who put up wanted posters on campus with "lynch them" phrases. The Listening Ad was written by W. Lubiano, a fruitcake who has promised her manscript is "forthcoming" for years....and the Ad was paid for using departmental monies. The Listening Ad was specifically and completely directed at the LAX event and any idiot who was on campus KNEW it was targeting the LAX event.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 8:59 said: He was treated, and as a direct result of his stab wound he died"...........This needs to have independent experts give their opinion, in court on Dr. Nichols autopsy finding. I guess the matter is moot though for two reasons; one established law regarding proximity and two if the stabbing can shown to have been in self-defence

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 9:41 said : "Ken Edwards cited Piot as a credible source for critique of KC Johnson"... I beleive I made no comment as to the credibility of the critique. I only cited it as a alternate view of KC Johnson and DIW

Anonymous said...

Lance, if the evil white people had not been persecuting poor Crystal since 2002 (not 2006), then poor Crystal would not have been on the skids, had to fight with a man in 2010, had to abuse her children, had to continue pole vaulting, would not have gotten kicked out of NCCU, would not have been unable to get employment anywhere in the entire United States, would not have had to take up with Mr. Daye (the evil black alcoholic woman beater), would not have had to "take" his cashier's checks, would not have had to stab him, and would not have had to flee the scene. Darn, Lance, now you KNOW Mangums' entire life history is replete with examples of how she has been manipulated, puppeted, forced to commit crimes, forced to do bad things, forced to LIE about getting raped (twice), forced to use alcohol and drugs, and forced to run off not one, but TWO competent attorneys......by, of course, the evil white grand conspiracy! And, of course, none of this would have ever happened in Mangum's charmed life, even in 2002, had bathrobe boy not been tarred and feathered by Evans and her band of conspirators.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"This needs to have independent experts give their opinion, in court on Dr. Nichols autopsy finding."

There is no such "need".

However, the defense is entitled to bring in experts to support its side of the story.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 8:59 said: "Where is Mike Nifong in this series of events"........ Like Crystal, he is suffering the consequences of the shabby treatment meeted out to him as a result of the successful campaign to discredit him waged by the Player's Civil Trial Lawyers

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I guess the matter is moot though for two reasons; one established law regarding proximity and two if the stabbing can shown to have been in self-defence".

In the matter of proximity, if an assault victim dies as a result of a medical complication of the treatment necessitated by the assault, that does not relieve the assailant of responsibility for the victim's death.

So far as self defense, it would be up to the defense to prove that. How will they do it without having Crystal take the stand? That would open up Crystal up to cross examination.

SIDNEY can not testify it was self defense. He could only testify to what he heard Crystal say, and the rules of hearsay and best evidence would rule any testimony SIDNEY would give as inadmissable.

Anonymous said...

KENHUYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 8:59 said: 'Where is Mike Nifong in this series of events'........ Like Crystal, he is suffering the consequences of the shabby treatment meeted out to him as a result of the successful campaign to discredit him waged by the Player's Civil Trial Lawyers".

Wrong!. DA NIFONG is suffering the consequences of his shabby treatment of the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players - mainly indicting them for the crime in spite of having no evidence there was even a crime to indict them for, but also for prosecuting them wrongfully just to enhance his retirement.

KENHYDERAL, you have no moral compass.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 9:41 said : 'Ken Edwards cited Piot as a credible source for critique of KC Johnson'... I beleive I made no comment as to the credibility of the critique. I only cited it as a alternate view of KC Johnson and DIW".

Evasive, thy name is KENHYDERAL.

You cited Charles Piot as a source which did discredit Professor KC Johnson.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Where are all those American University academics who have shown that reverse racism does not exist in their support of Crystal.

My guess they are avoiding Crystal because her false allegations of rape are evidence that reverse racism does exist.

Academics do not like to admit they are wrong, even when they are. So they distance themselves from the evidence they are.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERL:

It is altogether fitting that someone who tries to be so evasive cites Charles Piot, who tries to enable the gang of 88 to evade responsibility for presuming the innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players were guilty.

Right on, KENHYDERAL

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 10:41 said : "Ken Edwards cited Piot as a credible source for critique of KC Johnson'...Kenhyderal replied..... " I beleive I made no comment as to the credibility of the critique. I only cited it as a alternate view of KC Johnson and DIW". Anonymous replied: "

Evasive, thy name is KENHYDERAL.

You cited Charles Piot as a source which did discredit Professor KC Johnson"........................ Here is a copy of my post "Here's another view of the vaunted KC http://fds.duke.edu/db?attachment-17--1263-view-347 As you can see I simply said here is another view of KC Johnson

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 11:03 described me as: "someone who tries to be so evasive" and Anonymous @ 1:46 said: " Evasive, thy name is Kenhyderal" I evade nothing and I answer all arguements directed towards me without resorting to anonymity or to ad hominen attacks on those who disagree with me. I only wish others would follow my lead in this regard

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"You cited Charles Piot as a source which did discredit Professor KC Johnson"........................ Here is a copy of my post "Here's another view of the vaunted KC http://fds.duke.edu/db?attachment-17--1263-view-347 As you can see I simply said here is another view of KC Johnson"

Regardless of what you might have said, you cited Charles Piot to discredit Professor KC Johnson. What view, other than one that supposedly discrediting Professor Johnson. Why did you not also cite references which supported Professor Johnson?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I evade nothing and I answer all arguements directed towards me without resorting to anonymity or to ad hominen attacks on those who disagree with me. I only wish others would follow my lead in this regard".

I seem to recall that you did on more than one occasion write that the results of DNA testing exonerated members of the Lacrosse team.

Then, more recently, you write that the DNA evidence exonerated only two members of the Lacrosse team but only created reasonable doubt as to the other members.

Evasive, thy name IS KENHYDERAL

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"...I answer all arguements directed towards me without resorting to anonymity or to ad hominen attacks...".

You recently made an ad hominem attacks against members of the Lacrosse team.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You also attacked the mothers of the team members.

You are still living in a glass house.

Did you attack the Lacrosse team mothers because you had a dysfunctional relationship with your mother?

Right on, kENHYDERAL.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I only wish others would follow my lead in this regard".

You mean become, like you, a deluded, hypocritical racist ninny?

Right on, KENHYDERAL

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:00 PM said. "Why did you not also cite references which supported Professor Johnson" ..... Others were singing his praises. I find myself more in tune with Professor Piot.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:02 said: "I seem to recall that you did on more than one occasion write that the results of DNA testing exonerated members of the Lacrosse team" .... Finnerty and Seligmann absolutely and Evans and the other Players of semen depositing rape only

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:04 said: "You recently made an ad hominem attacks against members of the Lacrosse team"... Ad hominen attacks is shorthand for arguementum ad hominen. An ad hominen attack does not apply to an attack on third parties who I perceive have committed an injustice but only to those who argue with me about the same especially those who are losing the arguement and so resort to this diversion.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 2:00 PM said. 'Why did you not also cite references which supported Professor Johnson' ..... Others were singing his praises. I find myself more in tune with Professor Piot."

In other words, you would like to discredit Professor Johnson.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:06 said: "Did you attack the Lacrosse team mothers because you had a dysfunctional relationship with your mother" ... Talk about a red herring. Once again you are making yourself look awfully foolish by playing an amateur Pychiatrist. Help me out here Dr. Harr and Dr. Orgel, how inappropriate is this.44

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:18 said " In other words, you would like to discredit Professor Johnson" I left that to Professor Piot and in my opinion he did a good job.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 2:02 said: 'I seem to recall that you did on more than one occasion write that the results of DNA testing exonerated members of the Lacrosse team' .... Finnerty and Seligmann absolutely and Evans and the other Players of semen depositing rape only".

So, what other crimes would forensic testing of the rape kit have implicated the players in, had the forensic testing found evidence of rape?

The "crimes" of theft and administering a noxious substance are red herrings you have concocted out of your racist imagination.

That you, a Canadian citizen, suspect innocent Caucasians of crimes means nothing other that you are a deluded racist Canadian citizen.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:06 said; You also attacked the mothers of the team members" ...... I did no such thing.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 3:18 said " In other words, you would like to discredit Professor Johnson" I left that to Professor Piot and in my opinion he did a good job."

You do admit you cited Charles Piot because you believed he discredited Professor Johnson.

Shows how deluded your opinions are.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 2:06 said; You also attacked the mothers of the team members" ...... I did no such thing."

Yes you did.

Was it because you had a dysfunctional relationship with your own mother?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3: 18 said: "In other words, you would like to discredit Professor Johnson"..... His biased blog DIW does that without my help.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 2:06 said: "Did you attack the Lacrosse team mothers because you had a dysfunctional relationship with your mother" ... Talk about a red herring. Once again you are making yourself look awfully foolish by playing an amateur Pychiatrist."

You get awfully angry when someone mentions your mother.

This is a result of you living in a glass house and thinking you can hurl stones with impunity.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:22 said : "So, what other crimes would forensic testing of the rape kit have implicated the players in, had the forensic testing found evidence of rape"..... It's called a rape kit for a reason. You keep using "The Players". It was determined that they did not committ a semen depositing rape. It did not show, though, that a rape did not occur since unidentified semen was detected which was unexplained by Crystal's sexual history. As far as other crimes; such as kidnapping, sexual assult, theft and administering a noxious substance, only Finnerty, Seligmann and other non-attending Players were cleared of thoes. Evans, the other Players present and the non-Player guests were not

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 3: 18 said: 'In other words, you would like to discredit Professor Johnson'..... His biased blog DIW does that without my help."

No it doesn't. It shows he knows more about the phony Duke rape case than you do,and, for that matter, more than your boy Kilgo.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"It did not show, though, that a rape did not occur since unidentified semen was detected which was unexplained by Crystal's sexual history".

You are trying to evade, rather ineffectively again. Previously you were listing reasons why semen could not be detected, de facto admitting that semen had not been detected. Now you are alleging that semen was detected.

You, at one time, cited the result of a test for semen performed by DNA Security, the test for PSA, which you say was negative.

Why do you say Semen is detected, Mr. Evader?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"As far as other crimes; such as kidnapping, sexual assult, theft and administering a noxious substance, only Finnerty, Seligmann and other non-attending Players were cleared of thoes. Evans, the other Players present and the non-Player guests were not"

Messers Finnerty, Seligman and Evans were charged with sexual assault and kidnapping, as well as first degree rape. I ask again, do you ever do research before you make your statements? In any event those charges were dropped when AG Cooper announced the results of his investigation.

Charges of theft and administration of a noxious substance were never levelled. Ergo, there is no justification to say no member of the Lacrosse team were not exonerated of those charges.

Maybe you can explain why innocent men should be suspected of crimes on the basis of the beliefs of a foreign national, especially when those belirfs are grounded in speculation and conjecture not supported by the facts.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"...only Finnerty, Seligmann and other non-attending Players were cleared of thoes(charges of sexual assault, kidnapping, administration of a noxious substance, theft). Evans, the other Players present and the non-Player guests were not"

I say again, had you done research, you would have learned that Reade Seligman, Colin Finnerty and David Evans were cleared of charges of Sexual Assault and Kidnapping.

If you think your belief your beliefs are grounds to suspect anyone of a crime, you are more delusional and megalomaniacal than even SIDNEY.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You are saying that people who have never been charged with specific crimes are not exonerated of those crimes solely because of your belief that those crimes happened.

In Canada, if you were to write that people are not innocent of crimes with which they had never been charged, wouldn't that be libel?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:47 said: "Why do you say Semen is detected, Mr. Evader?"...... I should have amplified my remark by saying that unidentified DNA detected from sperm, not explained by Crystal's sexual history, was found and it's present is probative that semen had been present

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:02 said" "I say again, had you done research, you would have learned that Reade Seligman, Colin Finnerty and David Evans were cleared of charges of Sexual Assault and Kidnapping" ...... Evans was not cleared by forensic testing other then for rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"An ad hominen attack does not apply to an attack on third parties who I perceive have committed an injustice but only to those who argue with me about the same especially those who are losing the arguement and so resort to this diversion."

You are correct. One can not make an ad hominem attack on a third party.

However you did attack the members of the Lacrosse team and their mothers.

You justify those attacks by saying you perceive they have commmitted an injustice. And you do make ad hominem attacks on people who disagree with your perceptions.

In any event, the only injustices in the phony Duke rape case were perpetrated by Crystal Mangum, the false accuser and DA NIFONG, the corrupt prosecutor.

kenhyderal said...

Evans was cleared only by dictat but not in the opinion of many

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Evans was not cleared by forensic testing other then for rape."

What was David Evans specifically charged with, other than first degree rape, sexual assault, and kidnapping.

David Evans was cleared of all three charges, whether or not you or SIDNEY believed it.

I say again, you are coming off as more deluded and megalomaniacal than SIDNEY. You think your belief in a crime constitutes justification to charge someone with a crime.

I ask again, in Canada, if you were to write that someone was not innocent of a crime with which he had never been charged, is that not a form of libel.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:32 said: "And you do make ad hominem attacks on people who disagree with your perceptions"...... No I do not. Give an example.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Evans was cleared only by dictat but not in the opinion of many"

What many? You mean people like Kilgo who claimed David Evans shaved off his "incriminating mustache"?

Why are all those people who believe David Evans guilty not posting here in support of you and Crystal?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:32 said: "And you do make ad hominem attacks on people who disagree with your perceptions"...... No I do not. Give an example."

My perception is yes you do.

You are entitled to your perceptions, such as your perception, in the face of facts to the contrary, that David Evans was not cleared of charges of sexual assault and rape.

Glass houses, KENHYDERAL.

kenhyderal said...

Having an opinion about someones guilt even though they have been cleared is not in my opinion libel. ie. I think OJ Simpson is guilty of two murders. Have I libeled him?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Having an opinion about someones guilt even though they have been cleared is not in my opinion libel. ie. I think OJ Simpson is guilty of two murders. Have I libeled him?"

Two different situations.

OJ Simpson was charged with a crime.

You are presuming that certain Caucasian men guilty of crimes with which they had never been charged. In my opinion, that would be a cause of action for libel.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You are doing a bit more than presuming. You are publishing that these Caucasian men are not innocent of crimes with which they have never been charged.

Harr Supporter said...

Ken: I evade nothing and I answer all arguments directed to me

False.

You are willing to debate inconsequential issues, particularly ones designed to annoy other posters.

You avoid serious discussion on more substantive subjects, either ignoring comments and questions directed to you or you provide only superficial answers.

The "botched" or "sloppy" DPD investigation is critical to your theory. Because they didn't test for date rape drugs, you allege Crystal was drugged. Because the DPD didn't make an effort to identify all the attendees (trying only to confirm the defendants were there), you allege there were other attendees. Because the DPD made no attempt to identify the unmatched DNA, you allege that unidentifed attendees raped Crystal.

You're so clever. You can come up with countless allegations that you argue could be true because the DPD didn't investigate and find the evidence to disprove them.

The DPD investigation was not "botched" or "sloppy." That suggests they made some mistakes. Virtually every aspect of this investigation was deeply flawed.

The DPD didn't even try to investigate. The most highly publicized investigation in DPD history, and they don't even investigate.

You have agreed that the deeply flawed investigation can be explained through gross incompetence or an attempted frame. You choose incompetence, but you don't explain why.

Nifong either realized that the DPD didn't investigate or he was too lazy and incompetent to care what they did. He was involved early in the case, and his failure cannot be explained through the lame excuse that he was too late to insist that they do their jobs.

I believe this failure supports the theory that they never believed Crystal. You disagree, but don't explain why.

Ken, you pretend to discuss. You prefer the unimportant and the annoying.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:02 said: You are presuming that certain Caucasian men guilty of crimes with which they had never been charged. In my opinion, that would be a cause of action for libel" In the case of Evans he was charged with sexual assult and kidnapping. Evidence was given that an uncharged Player, Flannery, had removed money from Crystal's bag. Kim Roberts in her statement said "At about 11:30 Precious arrived and came to the back where we met for the first time. I waited outside and she went inside to collect her money. She showed me her payment ($400.00) and we went straight the bathroom where my outfit was to change clothes. Precious came with her dancing gear on and did not need to change. We conversed about our plan for the dance. There was a knock on the door and we were handed two drinks of equal amounts. We did sip the drinks, but Precious cup fell into the sink. We finished getting dressed and proceeded to the living room, led by Dan, to do our show. There were about 20-25 young guys there, who were all sitting down. Precious and I began our show "which, in my opinion, seemed to be going well. Precious began showing signs of intoxication at this point" This un-biased narrative indicated that Crystal was not intoxicated when she arrived. This was also confirmed by the driver who brought her there. It's contrary to the self- serving statements of Evans who says she arrived in a grossly intoxicated state. This is highly suggestive of Chloral hydrate being administered in the drink she was handed. Perhaps Medical Doctors like Dr. Harr and Dr. Orgel could comment.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"In the case of Evans he was charged with sexual assult and kidnapping."

Wrong. Like Colin Finnerty and Reade Seligman he was charged with first degree rape, sexual assault and kidnapping, all of which charges were dismissed with the AG stating, based on his examination of the case(something you have never done) there was no corroborating evidence and no corroborating witnesses. Ergo, he was exonerated, not by fiat but by the established facts that no crime had happened.

As SIDNEY is fond of saying, be enlightened.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Evidence was given that an uncharged Player, Flannery, had removed money from Crystal's bag."

Nevertheless no charges of theft were filed and therefore, you have no justification to write anything to the effect that some as fact that Lacrosse players were guilty of theft.

You are free to express as opinion your beliefs, nothing more.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

With regard to "Kim Roberts in her statemen", it was self serving. Kim Roberts initially said Crystal's rape allegations were "a crock". Then DA NIFONG intimidated her into changing her statement over a violation of her probation.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

With regard to David Evans' and Matt Zash's statements that Crystal was intoxicated when she arrived, those statements were not self serving because both David Evans and Matt Zash knew they had committed no crime.

You are presuming guilt again and then saying you are fighting for justice.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"This is highly suggestive of Chloral hydrate being administered in the drink she was handed."

That "Precious cup(the drink she was handed) fell into the sink" is not.

Neither is the fact that Crystal's behavior was not typical of a victim of a date rape drug.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Again, the issue of theft is a red herring dragged into the case AFTER Crystal was exposed as a false accuser.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You have not responded to the question, why do you say semen was detected on the rape kit.

I remind you that you did post a comment on this blog admitting that DNA Security's test for semen, i.e. a test for PSA was negative.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Why do you say coerced testimony, as the testimony of Kim Roberts you quoted, is not self serving?

Anonymous said...

Kenny is creating potential (read, fantasy) scenarios which he then argues "COULD" exist and, for which, no investigation was made. For example, I could create a scenario that says Mangum and Roberts deliberately set themselves up to claim that a rape occured in order to shake down the rich white boys. Did this happen? There is evidence that Crystal told Roberts there was money to be made and this was the reason she went back into the house. Does this statement, alone, PROVE that the women were deliberately going to lie, claim a rape, and blackmail the players into shelling out big bucks?
Or, I could claim that a mysterious (non lax guy) was in the house that night, with several of his mysterious buddies, and THEY raped Mangum, left or did not leave DNA, did or did not give her a date rape drug, and so on.
The point here is that Kenny is just wildly speculating, with NO basis, in fact, for any of the fantasies he creates. The boogie man could still live under my bed and scare the crap out of me. It is possible....but is it REALLLLLLLY?
I don't know about the rest of the people who read and post, on occasion, on this silly flub of a web site......but I am tired of endlessly hearing Ken Edwards run on about seeking justice for Nifong and Mangum. He will continue to do it.....because that's his privilege.....but, geez louise, it is sure as hell boring reading. I've read better fiction in Mavel comic books.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

From Anonymous June 26, 2012 4:48 AM:

"There is evidence that Crystal told Roberts there was money to be made and this was the reason she went back into the house."

More behavior which is not typical of a Date Rape drug victim.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

From http://www.indiaonrent.com/view/d/date-rape-drugs.html:

"Date...render the victim unconscious but responsive with little or no memory of what happens while the drug is active in their system. The drugs also make the victim act without inhibition, often in a sexual or physically affectionate way."

That does not describe the way Crystal supposedly behaved at the party. According to you, Crystal was violently forced to submit to a semen depositing rape.

Anonymous said...

I should have said:


"Date Rape drugs...render the victim unconscious but responsive with little or no memory of what happens while the drug is active in their system. The drugs also make the victim act without inhibition, often in a sexual or physically affectionate way."

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

From http://www.womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/date-rape-drugs.cfm#c

This is another source which give Rohypnol, GHB and Ketamine as the three most common date rape drugs.

It does not mention Chloral Hydrate which you have said is the second most common date rape drug.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

http://www.d.umn.edu/hlthserv/phe/Whatdidyoudrink.html

This is another site which says the three most common date rape drugs are Rohypnol, GHB and Ketamine.

Where did you get the idea that Chloral Hydrate is the second most common date rape drug.

What is the rationale that the Lacrosse players, if they had really wanted to drug the strippers they had hired, would have resorted to Chloral Hydrate?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

from http://www.isp.state.il.us/crime/daterapedrugs.cfm:

According to this site, the three most common date rape drugs are GHB, Rohypnol and Ketamine.

It lists a number of other drugs used as Date rape drugs. It does not list Chloral Hydrate.

So why did you state that Chloral Hydrate is the second most common Date rape drug.

Anonymous said...

Does it even make one shred of common sense that these LAX guys would have planned to give the exotic dancers they hired...chloral hydrate? NO! No sense at all. It is far more likely that the women arrived already drinking and using drugs....and it is far more likely that one or both accepted and drank plain old garden variety booze. It is far more likely that Mangum was taking drugs that, when mixed with alcohol, rendered her plastered.....which, by all accounts, she was. NOT deliberately given some date rape drug.....but simply drunk on a mixture of booze and pills.
Ken Edwards wants to continue to wildly speculate about the evil white boys...... because that's what racists do.....they spin webs and then do their best to portray the spider as the rich white oppressor.
Most comical of late is Edwards' assertion that "reverse racism" does not exist. Hilarious, Kenny Hissy.....really funny.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

From http://www.drinkdetective.com/problem/date_rape_drugs.asp

"All the drugs act as an anaesthetic that reduce a person’s ability to resist rape or robbery and often causes the victim to cooperate with the criminal. After a few hours, the victim will fall asleep and wake up with little or no memory of what happened when she or he was under the influence of the drug. In addition, these drugs stay in the system for a relatively short time (as little as 12 hours for GHB) so that even if a victim wants to go to the police and press charges, the evidence will have disappeared."

This site lists GHB, Ketamine and Benzodiazepines(of which Rohypnol is one) as the common date rape drugs but does not mention Chloral Hydrate.

It also suggests that if one of the common Date rape drugs had been used, the chances are it would have been detected on a tox screen which was done on the ER admission, which was within 12 hours of the alleged rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

from: http://www.aftersilence.org/date-rape.php

"Date Rape Drugs

Drugs play a role in many cases of date rape. Pharmaceutical agents such as gamma-hydroxybutrate (GHB), ketamine and rohypnol (roofies) are used to severely inebriate unsuspecting victims. The drugs are mixed with someone's drink to render them nearly unconscious so that they are not able to object and remember the events."

Again, no mention of Chloral Hydrate.

Why did you state that Chloral Hydrate is the second most common date rape drug.

Consider this. If the Lacrosse players really did intend to administer a date rape drug, why would they not obtain one of the commonly used date rape drugs? One of the THREE MOST COMMONLY USED date rape drugs would have been easier to obtain than Chloral Hydrate.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

From http://www.push5.com/aboutlastnight.html

A description of what a date rape victim experienced.

"M. trusted this man - she had no reason not to. He gave her a Corona, and she drank about a third of it. The next thing M. knew, she was coming to in the berth of the boat, with the man on top of her. "I opened my eyes and he was raping me." She faded back out of consciousness. The next morning, she felt "hazy, confused," and while she "knew something had happened," she didn't know quite what. It wasn't until later that she pieced together the truth: M. was the victim of a drug-facilitated rape."

It is not at all similar to the accounts Crystal gave of her alleged rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

To sum it up, there is more evidence that Crystal's behavior was not suggestive of date rape drug administration than that it was.

Anonymous said...

Ken says reverse racism does not exist. He cites Piot as simply providng another opinion about KC Johnson. Soooo, in the same vein, here is another opinion about the existence of black racism toward whites.
"It's actually quite simple. Black racism remains a dynamic phenomenon because African Americans have been told, ad nauseum, by "civil rights leaders" and by leftist whites in influential organizations like the ACLU, to look outside of themselves for the roots of every ill that plagues their community; to reflexively blame white society for their problems rather than to take responsibility for their own lives; and to view themselves as the oppressed and powerless victims of a white "power structure," a status they are led to believe renders them somehow incapable of being genuine racists themselves -- no matter how much they may detest the white people they perceive to be their tormenters. Moreover, they have been taught to angrily reject astute observations like those of Bill Cosby, who has publicly lamented how illegitimacy, parental neglect, lack of educational effort, and bad behavior have decimated black life.

Only the victim mentality fostered by the "civil rights" champions of our day could have prompted tens of thousands of people to think that rallying on behalf of the Jena Six was a worthwhile use of their time. Having listened for so long to the "civil rights" establishment's incessant depictions of the United States as a land of racial inequity, many black Americans have become angry, embittered racists themselves. They are among the legions who, in the words of black columnist Michael Meyers, zealously "transform themselves into the apostles of their own delusions."
....by John Perazzo...
I agree with this statement 100%. There is NOTHING more racist than the far leftist view that black americans NEED the government to support them, pay for them, etc....because they are the endless victims of "white oppression". Pure dribble and utterly demeaning to african americans.
__________

Lance the Intern said...

You're wasting your time and bandwidth arguing with Kenhyderal. He's proven time and again that he's simply nothing more than an internet troll.

His claim to be a friend of Crystal Mangum is bogus as well -- He's never helped her or her family in any way. It's simply another way for him to annoy other posters.

Ignore him and eventually he (and, I imagine, the anonymous posters intent on responding to him) will go away.

Anonymous said...

agree with you Lance. I'd say the same about Harr....not much substance, just lots of the same old tired argument.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

How readily available is Chloral Hydrate? I have found a web site that describes the home synthesis of Chloral Hydrate as "easy". The process would not be easy for anyone who is not familiar with the handling of the equipment and materials.

All the urls I have listed say the most commonly used drugs for date rape are, again, Rohypnol, GHB and Ketamine. Chloral Hydrate is not listed.

That is circumstantial evidence that Chloral Hydrate is not as readily available as the common Date rape drugs. In turn, that is circumstantial evidence that Crystal was not given Chloral Hydrate.

That comes on top of the evidence that Crystal did not behave the way a date rape drug victim behaves.

Do some research.

kenhyderal said...

Lance said: "He's never helped her or her family in any way"........ Lance you are oh so wrong about this.

Anonymous said...

OK< Ken....prove it! Provide documentation (cancelled checks, receipts, etc.) that show you have donated money to bail her out or pay her legal bills. And, oh, by the way, just "saying" you have helped does NOT make it so. sorry, troll, you be sellin' it, we be not buyin' it!

Lance the Intern said...

My last post in response to you, "Ken" -- posting your comments here on this site doesn't make you a friend of Crystal, neither does it help her or her family.

Nope -- You're a troll. Your sole purpose here is to derail discussions from the matter at hand to throw out accusations and 3rd (or 4th) hand rumors about the LAX case.
You've contributed nothing to the discussions. At no point in your rambling, incoherent responses were you even close to anything that could be considered rational thought. Everyone on this site is now dumber for having read them.

Lance the Intern said...

Yes, that is a "Billy Madison" paraphrase...For those counting.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Why do you say there was documentation of semen deposition on Crystal's rape kit?

Anonymous said...

Laughing, Lance. Perfect paraphrase.......

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 8:18 said: "OK< Ken....prove it! Provide documentation (cancelled checks, receipts, etc.) that show you have donated money to bail her out or pay her legal bills. And, oh, by the way, just "saying" you have helped does NOT make it so. sorry, troll, you be sellin' it, we be not buyin' it!" ........... Help me out here dr. Harr. I will forward proof to you that I have provided financial assistance to Crystal so that you can attest to your readers of this fact.

Anonymous said...

Trollucinations: when a troll eats bad mushrooms or has a high fever and begins to see little men engaging in invisible behavior that does not happen.....

Anonymous said...

why not just provide your own documentation of your longstanding friendship with Mangum? Harr seems to have no problem posting other people's confidential medical records on his web site.....with total disregard for or respect for the privacy rights of others. If I were you, I would be concerned that he might put your checking account number and bank balance right out there for all the world to see.....

kenhyderal said...

Lance said " Yes, that is a "Billy Madison" paraphrase...For those counting" ..........And may God have mercy on your soul.

Anonymous said...

Hey Lance, got a question for you:

If you were Mangum's attorney and she were offered a plea deal of second degree or manslaughter, would you advise her to take it? Just curious what you think...with this hypothetical......

Lance the Intern said...

Manslaughter? Definitely. 2nd Degree Murder -- I'd take my chances in court.

In North Carolina, you have to meet 4 conditions for the "perfect form" of self-defense in order to excuse the killing of another person. All the state has to do is prove that Crystal violated one of those 4 conditions, and the "perfect form" is no longer an option...An "imperfect self-defense" should be enough to get the charge lowered to manslaughter.

Complicating this case however, is that North Carolina doesn't recognize "battered wife syndrome" -- which could have been used to bolster Crystal's defense.

Anonymous said...

So, questions about the four conditions...
Wouldn't the state say she had an opportunity to retreat, based on her own tale about Daye having left the room, and, leaving her alone, allowing her a change to run?
Wouldn't the state say she was more likely to have a motive to assault him than the other way around?
Would the battered wife syndrome have been a more effective defense if her attorney could have proven Daye had a history of abuse/violence toward women? No criminal record shows violence, etc, that I am aware of....one charge thrown out?
She might get manslaughter...of course, this is just theorizing....since we don't know all the evidence at this point. I doubt that Harr's actions did her much good, on the defense front. As I recall, Mangum didn't want Vann before, and asked for Shella....now she's got Vann again. thanks for responding, lance.

Anonymous said...

The four conditions......do these still apply in NC, Lance? Interesting....particularly the third of four.....
"four conditions are met: (1) it appeared to the defendant
and he believed it to be necessary to kill the person in order to save himself from death or great bodily
harm; (2) defendant’s belief was reasonable in that the circumstances as they appeared to him at the time
were sufficient to create such a belief in the mind of a person of ordinary firmness; (3) defendant was not
the aggressor in bringing on the affray; and (4) defendant did not use excessive force.

Lance the Intern said...

There were changes to the North Carolina self-defense laws in 2011, but these were in regard to self-defense from someone who had unlawfully entered a home (the so-called "Castle" or "Stand your Ground" law). Since this was Reginald Daye's home, I don't think these would apply.

Anonymous said...

So,if the dense were found to be perfect, it could mean acquittal. If imperfect, manslaughter. Ismthis right? Hard to see hoe mangum could escape with a perfect self defense since the state might say she was willingly participating in the fight, could have fled, etc. she is the one with the history of physical violence ......not daye. But .......he was bigger. And i suppose she would claim that she impulsively grabbed the knife , nearby, and stabbed daye in an effort to save her own life. Ought to be fun in court

Harr Supporter said...

Lance: You've [Ken] contributed nothing to the discussions.

Lance, I think you have been a little too harsh on Ken.

Ken has made one contribution, albeit not in the way he intended. Ken has provided a constant reminder of the DPD's total failure to conduct a bona fide investigation. This was the most publicized investigation in Durham's history and they assign it to a rookie investigator whose biggest previous case was a stolen weed wacker.

They didn't interview witnesses. They didn't read reports. They didn't examine physical evidence. Despite media reports of the failure of the investigation, DPD supervisors failed to act.

They knew they had no credible evidence. Yet they failed to investigate. Nifong did not insist on one.

As Ken has agreed, the complete failure of the DPD to conduct a bona fide investigation can only be explained through gross incompetence of the investigators and their supervisors or as a deliberate frame.

Unless they were all complete morons, no one ever believed Mangum.

I find it impossible to believe that so many DPD officers were so incompetent over so long a period--almost 10 months from the allegation to Nifong's recusal. No one is that stupid. No one is that incompetent.

In his attempt to create preposterous fantasies that blame the players and annoy others, Ken has reminded us of the sham investigation. In doing so, Ken has reminded us of the evidence that reinforces the conclusion that this was a deliberate frame.

Anonymous said...

Nifong had one reason to stick the lax guys......he wanted his job and thought he could secure the black vote by lynching rich white duke guys. He saw a chance for his 15 minutes of fame. Screw the morals of it. As Alleva said, it's not about the truth.....and it sure wasn't about justice. Mangum was a pawn, pure and simple. And the lax guys, the prototype villians.

kenhyderal said...

Lance and others have bought into a scenario that raised reasonable doubt concerning the culbability of The Players and have run with it. And that's all the Defence had to do. The circumstantial evidence for their version of events is no more conclusive then is that for alternate versions but, hey, they accomplished all they needed to to have their clients acquitted. The successful campaign to discredit Crystal and DA Nifong has won fanatic supporters who react with pathalogical anger and righeous zeal at any person suggesting an alternate theory as to what happened, which they consider heretical. Most often they resort to name calling, insults and calls for shunning. On the other hand, I have never waged such personal attacks on them. True, I have attacked those who I beleive perpetrated a crime against my friend. Never once, though, have I brought up their race and I never use the word Caucasian to describe them. I may have also suggested, that they are the sons of privilge whereas the accuser was a person of modest circumstance. They have investigated Crystal to the nth degree and publicized anything and everything they could find exagerating each and every finding in order to portray her in the worst possible light. I dare say few of her detractors could withstand this kind of probe. Most egregious is how they have spread lies that she is a drug addict and a prostitute when their is zero evidence as to the truth of this. Fear not, had their been any arrests for illegal drugs or for soliciting they would have plastered that far and wide.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The circumstantial evidence for their version of events is no more conclusive then is that for alternate version..."

There is no circumstantial evidence for any alternate version except what you have constructed on your presumption of guilt, your speculation and conjecture which is not base on fact.

The facts of the case confirm that the falsely accused lacrosse players were innocent - as a matter of fact, not conjecture.

Anonymous said...

Hey, where's the big forensic pathologist report that harr says Vann was going to get? and the big "any day now" announcement that Mangum is going to walk out of the jail, vindicated, free, and able to return to pole vaulting?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

How was DA NIFONG discredited?

First, he made public statements to the effect that a crime had happened, that members of the Lacrosse team were the perpetrators, and that the crime was racially motivated, all before he knew anything about the case.

Forensic testing of the rape kit is done. Subsequently the kit is tested by DNA security for DNA. The results are, the only male DNA found on Crystal's person belonged to males other than the suspects. DA NIFONG decides to prosecute anyway. Not only that, he conceals the evidence from the suspects. When a rape is alleged, when the DNA found on the accuser does not match the DNA of the suspects, it means the suspects were not the rapists, which amounts to exculpatory evidence.

DA NIFONG tries to manufacture evidence by having an improper lineup done stacked against the members of the Lacrosse team. Then he indicts three members of the Lacrosse team even though Crystal's identifications of them are not reliable.

DA NIFONG hung himself.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

How did Crystal discredit herself?

Her allegation of rape was not credible(yes I was, no I wasn't, yes I was, no I wasn't, Yes I really was).

Crystal accused members of the Lacrosse team, sometimes 3, sometimes 5, sometimes 20. She actually identified 4 assailants at the improper lineup.

She could not tell a coherent, believable story when questioned by the AG's office.

She was taped pole dancing a short time after she was supposedly subjected to a brutal beating. Shortly after the alleged rape, she engaged in sex and became pregnant, not typical behavior for a rape victim.

When DA NIFONG hung himself, Crystal joined him on the gallows.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Your "circumstantial evidence" of other scenarios is pure fantasy.

Based on the word of Crystal and Kilgo, two totally non credible "witnesses" you presume guilt. Then you imagine a scenario in which the people who presume guilt "could" have committed the crime.

That is neither profound nor astute thinking. If anything, it is racially motivated wishful thinking.

You say you never attack anyone. Presuming innocent Caucasians(an innocuous term except to a racist) are guilty because of their race is an attack.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The successful campaign to discredit Crystal and DA Nifong has won fanatic supporters who react with pathalogical anger and righeous zeal at any person suggesting an alternate theory as to what happened".

There was not campaign to discredit Crystal or DA NIFONG, unless you consider attempts by innocent, falsely accused Caucasian men to exonerate themselves a campaign to discredit.

You have not suggested an "alternate theory". A totally implausible story does not meet the definition of "theory". To become a theory, an assertion has to have hard evidence supporting it as true.

Your "alternate theory" lacks support of hard evidence.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"True, I have attacked those who I beleive perpetrated a crime against my friend."

False!

You have attacked innocent Caucasian men whom you wrongfully believe to have committed crimes, including crimes with which they were never charged, crimes for which you have no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I dare say few of her detractors could withstand this kind of probe."

The Duke Lacrosse team was accused of all kinds of wrongdoing, are still being accused of all kinds of wrongdoing, and they have withstood the accusations rather well. No one has proven the accusations, and by an large no reasonable person believes the accusations.

Neither you nor SIDNEY count as reasonable.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"culbability"

The word is culpability, not "culbability".

The b key is in the middle of the bottom row of the keyboard. The p key is in the right side of the third row of the keyboard.

That is circumstantial evidence that the misspelling was not a typo.

Anonymous said...

Mangum has a well documented history of substance abuse.....as far back as a 2002 conviction for drunk driving, drunkenness in 2010 when she got into a brawl with her then current boyfriend, drunkenness in 2011 when she got into a brawl with and stabbed to death Mr. Daye, drunkenness and drug abuse in 2006 when she took a mix of pills and alcohol at the LAX party, and when three area hospitals were on record as saying she came to their respective EDs, seeking drugs. These incidents are on record, all of them. I would imagine most reasonable people would say these documented incidents are the tip of the iceberg.
I would also say that doing lap dances, using a vibrator on oneself in a motel room, for a paying customer, and having a paid driver (via an escort service) taking you to hotels for "dates" with customers....is reasonable evidence that Mangum has been sellin' it. I guess she could look straight into the camera and say she did "not have sex with that customer (do the Clinton thing....), but most of us have pretty much figured out that Mangum has made her living sellin' it and living off of others.....pretty much her entire adult life. BEFORE the lax case ever happened, in fact four YEARS BEFORE the LAX case happened, Mangum was working strip joints, doing lap dances.....drinking, stealing car keys, running from the police, driving wrecklessly, etc. Was the Grand White Conspiracy somehow at fault, even then, for her choices?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
So,if the dense were found to be perfect, it could mean acquittal. If imperfect, manslaughter. Ismthis right? Hard to see hoe mangum could escape with a perfect self defense since the state might say she was willingly participating in the fight, could have fled, etc. she is the one with the history of physical violence ......not daye. But .......he was bigger. And i suppose she would claim that she impulsively grabbed the knife , nearby, and stabbed daye in an effort to save her own life. Ought to be fun in court


Mon misguided ami,
I don't know where you're getting your info, but it's nothing more than garbage. For one thing, Mangum does not have a history of physical abuse... Daye does. His criminal record is posted online and it clearly shows two charges of assault... one against a female.

In addition to being a victim of a violent assault, Mangum was imprisoned by him and he prevented her from escaping during the hour of horror.

She did, in fact, stab Daye in order to save her life... he was choking her at the time.

And, you can forget about a trial. Charges will be dismissed... if I have anything to say about it.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Daye does. His criminal record is posted online and it clearly shows two charges of assault... one against a female."

Correction: "Daye['s] criminal record is posted online and it clearly shows two charges of assault... one against a female", which charge against the female was dismissed by the district attorney.

SIDNEY, do you read the documents you post on line? It seems you do not and that is pathetic.

So far as Crystal, she does have a record of trying to run down a police officer with a stolen vehicle. That is a more serious history of violence greater than anything in Mr. Daye's record.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Mangum does have a history......including child abuse. She has had prior charges of resisting arrest, driving while drunk, etc. and she WAS fighting with the guy in 2010 and threatening to stab HIM. The charge against Daye was DROPPED, which you repeatedly and conveniently forget to mention.
Mangum was not imprisoned by Daye. In fact, YOU said she told you he left the room twice...she could have escaped then.
YOU and Mangum say Mr. Daye was choking her, yet there were NO bruises or choke marks anywhere near her neck. In fact, after this supposed hour of severe beating, all she had was one tiny facial mark which one of the officer didn't even see, and which ALL of the officers said required no treatment. Some bad beating!
YOU don't have anything to say about it.....thank god and little fishes.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"And, you can forget about a trial. Charges will be dismissed... if I have anything to say about it."

You have been sayinhg a lot about it ever since the stabbing became news, and the charges still stand. It seems that no one but SIDNEY listens to what SIDNEY has to say.

Here's a suggestion for you. Instead of saying something about it, do something about it. Improve Crystal's morale by bailing her out of jail.

Why are you reluctant to put your money where your mouth is. Maybe you are waiting for Duke to pay you off. The Cubs will win the World Series before you win any lawsuit against Duke.

I see you have given up learning how to spell "contraire".

Anonymous said...

Mangum can put forward her self defense claim and, if the evidence support her claim, she may walk. that's up to the jury, not harr, to decide. One does wonder how, for example, Mangum will explain the story she has given to harr about a solid hour of beating....that apprently resulted in a hangnail and a chapped lip!

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"beleive"

The proper spelling is BELIEVE.

There are 5 keys between the e key and the i key on the keyboard. The e key is typed by the left hand. The i key is typed by the right hand.

More circumstantial evidence that this was not a typo.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Daye, stabbed to death. Mangum, facial mark (requiring no treatment) and one comment about a chapped lip. No choke marks, no bruises, no evidence of the beating that Mr. Daye was supposed to have given Mangum.
Gonna be a hard thing to 'splain, as Ricky would say.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous June 27, 2012 8:00 AM:

"Mangum can put forward her self defense claim".

There's the rub. Crystal has to "put forward her self defense claim". SIDNEY's "evidence" supporting her claim is hearsay and is not admissable.

Does Woody Vann dare to put Crystal on the stand and subject herself to cross examination?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Why do you say there was evidence of semen deposition on Crystal's rape kit? What was that evidence.

Why did you say that Chloral Hydrate is the second most commonly administered date rape drug when evidence available on the web(see the urls I have cited) indicates that Chloral Hydrate is neither in wide use, nor is readily available, nor is in wide use as a date rape drug.

You must really be struggling with finding answers.

Or, are you just dodging hoping the questions will go away?

Anonymous said...

Regarding the anonymous comment about where is Woody Vann's forensic pathologist:

That is has been several weeks since SIDNEY posted that announcement, that is circumstantial evidence that Mr. Vann is having trouble locating a forensic pathologist who will testify in Crystal's behalf.

KENHYDERAL, what do you think of that?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

So far as the "botchd" police investigation. How did it get botched?

First, the DA's office requested a Non Testimonial Order requiring all Caucasian(innocuous ternm) members of the Lacrosse team as well as two Caucasian non team members to give samples for DNA testing. Via the NTO they were named as suspects. Under NC law, for an NTO to be issued, there must be probable cause that those named in the NTO are suspects.

The DA's office said the DNA testing would identify the perpetrators of the alleged rape and exonerate those who are innocent.

Forensic testing revealed no evidence that any member of the Lacrosse team, any party attendee had intimate relations with Crystal(your allegation that there were unidentified attendees who raped Crystal is based on your presumption of guilt which, in turn, is based on non credible evidence offered by Crystal and Kilgo).

As someone pointed out earlier, DA NIFONG then sent the rape kit to DNA Security for more sophisticated testing for male DNA. DNA Security's testing found male DNA which did not match with any Lacrosse player, any party attendee.

By that time, DA Nifong had taken control of the police investigation. In a rape investigation, if male DNA found on the alleged victim does not match the DNA of the alleged suspects, it means the DA and the police look for other suspects. I think Walt has pointed out that instead of looking for other suspects, DA NIFONG focused his efforts on prosecuting members of the Lacrosse team.

Which means that DA NIFONG and no one else was responsible for the botched (or, in deference to harr supporter, non existent)investigation.

And you say that the Lacrosse players victimized DA NIFONG>

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

OOPS! I misspelled botched.

Here's your chance to have some fun with that.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"She did, in fact, stab Daye in order to save her life... he was choking her at the time."

It is up to a court to decide if that is a matter of fact.

You can not offer evidence to that. Crystal herself would have to take the stand and offer the evidence and submit to cross examination.

I bet the thought of Crystal under cross examination is Woody Vann's worst nightmare.

Anonymous said...

sidney harr continues to try to conveniently distort facts. Mangum has, by far, the larger and more serious criminal record. She has nine convictions, including violations for reckless/drunk driving, resisting arrest, violence against property, child abuse. She made a verbal threat toward the guy (in 2010) with whom she was fighting, that she would "stab the MF"...and she made this threat in the presence of a police officer. In the 2010 incident there was clear documentation of a physical altercation between she and the current boyfriend. She vandalized his car as well.
Compared to her record, Daye's is insignificant. Driving violations, insurance lapse for his car and a domestic charge that was dropped, as others have pointed out to harr, over and over.
So, if we are going to drag historical behavior of Daye into the discussion....as harr has done....claiming daye had a history of alcohol abuse and assault. (without any evidence of same.).......then, I would say it is also fair to drag in Mangum's prior history and her criminal record. Who, of the two, had the documented convictionS that involved drinking, resisting arrest, child abuse (violence), property destruction. If we judge Daye on the basis of his past, then I say we judge Mangum on the basis of HER past.........and in that comparison, she is clearly the LOSER.
You would think Mangum would have run, the first time Daye left her alone (which harr says he did, twice).
You would think she would run to the NEAREST door and banged on it, screaming bloody murder and seeking immediate help. she did not. she went to the very place where her child was......and, not knowing whether daye was dead, she put her child and her relative in harm's way.
You would think mangum, having been beaten for an hour (per harr), and having just stabbed a man....would just RUN. Does it make any sense that the woman, supposedly having been beaten up and choked, would stop and get her bleepin' purse? That, folks, is the dumbest nonsense harr has ever put on the site! When somebody has been thrashed and has stabbed her attacker, she does NOT stop to pick up anything.....she runs like Hell!
You would think Mangum would tell the adult in the apartment where she went.....NOT the child....to call 911. Wonder why she told the child to call, folks?
None of mangum's behavior and her story explaining it makes any sense at all......and it certainly is not consistent with the behavior of a beating victim who has just stabbed her attacker. No way!
finally, isn't it just a teeeny bit odd that Mangum says her attacker(s) used the identical phrase, "You're not going anywhere", in describing what the LAX guys said and what Daye said to her? Don't cha think that might be a bit fishy?
I can't wait for the trial......if Vann wants to claim self defense, he is going to have to put Mangum on the stand. Buy a ticket now, guys.....let the melodrama begin.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 8:12 said: "Why do you say there was evidence of semen deposition on Crystal's rape kit? What was that evidence"......... Dr. Manly a highly experienced gynecologist saw what she assumed to be semen. Unfortunately she did not test it at the time to confirm. The alternate explanation that it was an exudate from a yeast infection was proffered. An experienced person like Dr.Manly would have been unlikely to confuse such a discharge for deposited semen. That it did not show up on later testing is not unusual as semen is a physiological fluid that dissipates rapidly

Anonymous said...

Nope not correct dr kenny. Not even close.. Suggest you go back to medical school or try harder on your google searches for beginner forenics.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dr. Manly a highly experienced gynecologist saw what she assumed to be semen."

Dr. Manly was resident in OB-GYN, not a highly experienced gynecologist. She, as you have admitted, did not do a wet mount. Therefore, she did not document it as semen.

If what she saw was semen, then vaginal swabs, which were done, would have tested positive for semen. The swabs did not.

If Crystal did have semen in her genital tract at the time of the gyn examination, then it would have gotten on her underwear(between the party and the ER presentation she did not have time either to wash up or change her clothes). Swabs taken from her underwear tested negative for semen.

No wet mount. Negative forensic tests for semen. How does that add up to evidence of semen on the rape kit?

Lame answer, KENHYDERAL, about what I expected of you.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"That it did not show up on later testing is not unusual as semen is a physiological fluid that dissipates rapidly"

Poor logic, KENHYDERAL. If OB_GYN resident Dr. Manly saw semen in Crystal's vagina, the swabs would have tested positive for semen. Since they did not test positive for semen, logic dictates what Dr. Manly saw was not semen.

The markers for semen for which the rape kit was tested, Acid Phosphatase and PSA, remain present, even after the semen itself disappears.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dr. Manly a highly experienced gynecologist saw what she assumed to be semen. Unfortunately she did not test it at the time to confirm".

If Dr. Manly indeed were a highly experienced gynecologist, she would have done a wet mount to confirm the presence of semen. An experienced gynecologist examining an alleged rape victim would have known to do a wet mount.

It is circumstantial but nevertheless powerful evidence that Dr. Manly was not a highly experienced gynecologist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dr. Manly a highly experienced gynecologist saw what she assumed to be semen. Unfortunately she did not test it at the time to confirm".

If a highly experienced gynecologist did not do a wet mount to confirm the presence of semen, it would be circumstantial evidence that said experienced gynecologist did not believe what she saw was semen.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

From http://www.examiner.com/article/louisville-s-dr-julie-manly-tries-to-save-hospital-haiti

"Louisville native, Dr. Julie Manly, [is] now practicing EMERGENCY MEDICINE(emphasis added) in Rocky Mount, North Carolina".

"And previously, in the Fall of 2005, Dr. Manly...was then a Resident at Duke Medical Center(one does not go from being a resident to being an experienced specialist in less than a year)"

"[Dr. Julie Manly} examined and treated an African-American woman who charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players. Her medical report indicated that the woman presented some 'diffuse edema,' but no visible bruises, abrasions, tearing or bleeding."

Research, KENHYDERAL. Do you do any research before you make your claims? I think not.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

http://www.manta.com/c/mt42dkv/dr-julie-e-manly-md

http://nc-rocky-mount.doctors.at/dr/julie-manly-juliemanly

http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Julie_Manly

http://www.healthgrades.com/physician/dr-julie-manly-y4sgv

According to all these links, Dr. Julie Manly practices EMERGENCY MEDICINE, not gynecology.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Your statement that an "experienced gynecologist" saw what she thought was semen in Crystal's vagina, is false.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Mangum can put forward her self defense claim and, if the evidence support her claim, she may walk. that's up to the jury, not harr, to decide. One does wonder how, for example, Mangum will explain the story she has given to harr about a solid hour of beating....that apprently resulted in a hangnail and a chapped lip!


I never said that she was beaten solidly and continuously over one hour. She told me that during her approximately hour's captivity in the apartment of terror, he punched her intermittently in the head and face about ten to twelve times. Mark my words, the truth will set Crystal Mangum free.

Anonymous said...

I have said this before and I will say it again....."diffuse edema" is NOT, in and of itself, an indication of rape. Any woman who has ever used a vibrator, been sexually active for any period, engaged in various kinds of oral sex.....knows that a swelling, redness, an occasionally (a yeast infection) are very COMMON side effects of such activity.
Manly was not an experienced gynecologist. She was a resident, in the ED, at the time. The other posters are entirely correct. If semen had been present, vaginal swabs would have picked it up....easily.
I also repeat, for the umpteenth time, that Mangum told the SANE four times that the LAX guys did NOT use condoms. She did not say, I don't know, or I am not sure. She said they did NOT. Later, when the evidence PROVED the LAX guys did not leave DNA in or on her, Mangum changed her story and said they did use condoms. This change of story was obviously designed to explain away the absence of LAX DNA. Nice try, Sister, no cigar!

Anonymous said...

Oh, this is hilarious! Now Harr is changing his/her story. Before he was beating the crap out of her and she was terrified, they were wrestling, on the floor and he was choking her. Now, he hit her intermittently. Absolutely comical. Who coaches you, hard? Mangum? change the story again, why don't you, and tell her he TRIED to hit her, kept on swinging wildly because he was drunk, but didn't actually make contact with her face.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I never said that she was beaten solidly and continuously over one hour."

You said she was severely beaten.

Ten to twelve blows to the head would constitute a sever beating.

Such a beating would have left findings. The ER record said Crystal had minimal injuries which required no treatment. The mug shot taken shortly after her arrest, after she was seen in the ER, showed no evidence of a severe beating.

I notice you are reluctant to publish Crystal's mug shot.

Anonymous said...

hard said days punched mangum in the face, drug her by the hair, choked her to the point she was reeling, rolled in the floor with her, drug her up the stairs, drug her around the apartment, lay on top of her.......oh, and gouged her in the eye with his fingernails.
right, and all she had from this hour of terror, my favorite harrism lately, was a tiny mark on her face which did not require treatment and chapped lips. No bruises, no choke marks, no punch marks, no abrasions from being dragged.
sure, sidney......daye, who you described as a drunken abuser, should must have been a wimp....

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Mark my words, the truth will set Crystal Mangum free."

We have been marking your words for more than a year. It has been like marking time.

I ask again, how about you perform deeds instead of making ineffective words?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

If you notice my comment posted June 27, 2012 11:46 AM, Dr. Manly, not Tara Levicy, performed the physical exam on Crystal. She noted specific findings, not findings consistent with rape.

Findings consistent with rape was what Tara Levicy told Mark Gottlieb. That statement was never a part of the medical record. Sgt. Gottlieb would not be able to enter that statement into evidence because it would have been hearsay.

Your claim that the physical exam showed evidence of rape is a false claim.

If all you can come up as evidence of a rape, you have not made any case that a rape happened.

That you would use Tara Levicy as a source of evidence is consistent behavior on your part. She, like Crystal and Kilgo is neither reliable or credible.

It goes back to what I said earlier. Your belief as to what happened is not a theory. It has no factual evidence to support it.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Anonymous said...
Mangum can put forward her self defense claim and, if the evidence support her claim, she may walk. that's up to the jury, not harr, to decide. One does wonder how, for example, Mangum will explain the story she has given to harr about a solid hour of beating....that apprently resulted in a hangnail and a chapped lip!"

I wonder how Crystal will explain her claim of self defense unless she takes the stand and submits to cross examination.

It seems Sidney is not eager to have Crystal take the stand and testify about self defense. He wants the court simply to accept the defense of self-defense and dismiss the charges.

It doesn't work that way, SIDNEY. Mark my words.

If you don't want to mark my words, why not get some words of wisdom from your so called friend Professor Coleman.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Why did you try to represent Dr. Manly as an experienced gynecologist.

It is not surprising you did since you tried to represent Tara Levicy as an experienced SANE.

In doing so, you represent yourself as one who does not research the topics on which he fancies himself an expert.

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