Tuesday, August 28, 2012

A prosecution in desperate need of a plea deal

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Here is the deal that Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser Crystal Mangum’s attorney recently suggested that she accept: plead guilty to assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill inflicting serious injury in exchange for a sentence of time served. Her attorney, H. Wood Vann, also informed her that she has a weak case, implying that if she did not accept the plea deal that she could be expected to be convicted of the first degree murder charge in Reginald Daye’s death.

Mr. Vann presented this plea deal during one of his rare visits to the Durham County Detention Center to see Ms. Mangum. In the other two previous visits he tried to discourage her from giving an interview to the Discovery Channel and to The News & Observer. In his attempts to have her accept the plea deal, he warned that if she did not agree to take it, her next court date would be in April 2013… seven months away. In other words, he threatened her with being forced to sit idly in jail another seven months while he did nothing… as he had done since taking over her defense nearly four months ago.

These recommendations from her defense attorney came despite the fact that he has continued to withhold vital prosecution discovery and other evidence from her. Crystal Mangum has never seen any of the prosecution photographs depicting injuries to her and Reginald Daye and the state of the apartment, including clumps of her hair and the bathroom door kicked off its hinges. Ms. Mangum has never seen the report from the forensic pathologist who reviewed the allegedly fraudulent autopsy report of April 14, 2011 by Dr. Clay Nichols and other documents about Daye’s death. Finally, Ms. Mangum never saw the mysterious yearlong SBI report that was rumored to be about the entry and trajectory of Daye’s stab wound. Ms. Mangum has repeatedly asked Mr. Vann to see these pieces of evidence, and he has continually refused to turn copies over to her for viewing. Yet, he expects her to accept his word that she has a weak defense in light of the fact that photographs, interviews, Daye’s condition and past history, and common sense strongly supports that she acted in self-defense when she stabbed him.

The reason Mr. Vann is trying to persuade Ms. Mangum to accept a plea deal is because he is trying to assist a desperate prosecution in extricating itself from a situation in which it finds itself in serious civil liability, namely malicious prosecution and wrongful incarceration. It is evident that the prosecution of Ms. Mangum was vendetta driven as payback for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case which occurred five years earlier. The simple fact of the matter is that the prosecution has absolutely no case against Mangum, and her attorney is well aware of this… but then, again, he is in collusion with her prosecutors.

The criminal case against Mangum is not unlike that of the bogus case against James Arthur Johnson in which the African American young man solved the heinous Wilson murder-kidnapping-rape-armed robbery of Wilson teen Brittany Willis. Without physical, forensic, eyewitness, or any other credible evidence against Johnson, he was held in jail for more than three years as the trial neared. Wilson prosecutors attempted to line up two “eyewitnesses,” both with ties to the Wilson Police Department, but withdrew once the NAACP became involved and brought media scrutiny to the case. Prosecutor Bill Wolfe tried his best to bluff Johnson into accepting a plea deal, and finally, when the day of the trial arrived, the prosecution backed down and referred their case to a “special prosecutor.” Belinda Foster, the special prosecutor from Forsyth County, was forced to accept the role by her superior District Attorney Thomas Keith, but she did so under the prearranged condition that she not be forced to prosecute the case. Under the pretense of investigating the case, Ms. Foster waited a few months, then per plans already decided upon, she dismissed all of the serious felony charges against Johnson and filed a charge against him of “accessory after the fact.” Instead of being hailed as a hero by the community, receiving a reward, and being endeared by the victim’s family for going against the “no-snitch” law of the streets, and identifying the true killer who had days earlier confided his criminal acts to him, Johnson was incarcerated for thirty nine months, ended up with a criminal record, was disparaged in the media, and was deprived of the $20,000 reward that was offered by the family and friends of Brittany Willis.

Like the Johnson case, Prosecutor Charlene Coggins-Franks has no intention of taking the case against Mangum to trial because there is no case. If she even attempted to do so, she would literally be laughed out of the courthouse. The only thing a trial would accomplish, even if the defense was handled by an inept turncoat attorney, would be to draw attention to the bogus autopsy report and uncover the truth about Daye’s death… which is that it was caused by a medical mistake with a botched intubation by staff at Duke University Hospital. Initially, the prosecution goal may have been to saddle Ms. Mangum with a conviction and lengthy prison sentence under a silently conducted trial, but since the involvement by Mangum’s supporters, the prosecution is now frantically trying to wiggle out of its predicament with a plea deal.

Unfortunately for Coggins-Franks and her staff, their ace in the hole, defense attorney Woody Vann has been exposed as one whose allegiance is traitorously aligned with the prosecution… they are acting in lockstep and depending upon him to deliver the goods – a plea deal of assault with a deadly weapon for time served. But it’s not going to work this time, at least if the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong has anything to say about it.

Racial prejudice is prevalent in the criminal justice system in North Carolina, and it is a common practice for innocent African Americans to be arrested, held on a high bail, and forced to essentially serve a sentence while waiting to go to trial. Often, these innocents accept a plea deal as a way of getting out of jail… pleading to a lesser crime in exchange for time served. On a few rare occasions, the defendants are merely released without comment… such as what happened to Carletta Patrice Alston. She was arrested and charged with the murder of her stepfather, and was held in jail for a year. When Prosecutor Tom Ford (of the Gregory Taylor case) was unable to manufacture a case against her, she was released.

It is obvious to a reasonable person with full knowledge of the facts that something is wrong with the prosecution’s case when a person indicted on a first degree murder charge is offered a deal by prosecutors to plead guilty to assault with a deadly weapon in exchange for a sentence of time served… less than a year and a half. Prosecutors purposely charged Ms. Mangum with a crime with knowledge that she was innocent, and they are now attempting to remove themselves from the fiasco by forcing her to allow the placement on her record that she is a felon guilty of assault with a deadly weapon.

This is the sort of thing that puts the North Carolina justice system in disrepute… not the prosecutorial actions of former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong, and not the passionately animated judicial complaints of former Durham District Attorney Tracey Cline.

There is no doubt that in the criminal case against Crystal Mangum that she is up against a prosecution that is the antithesis of a “minister of justice,” and which is up to its eyeballs in a conspiracy with the Orange County medical examiner, defense attorneys representing Ms. Mangum, the mainstream media, and the enablers – the NAACP, ACLU, North Carolina Coalition Against Domestic Violence (enablers being other civil rights organizations, and politicians who are able to make a difference, but stand idly by and say and do nothing). The only ones fighting for justice for Ms. Mangum are her supporters, including the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong… and regrettably, they are the objects of disparagement and ridicule by the media-types.

The Durham prosecution needs to act responsibly and do the right thing by unconditionally dismissing all criminal charges against Crystal Mangum and releasing her from custody. The charade has been exposed for what it is with the only criminals coming from the prosecution side. Lady Justice makes these demands so that the principles of restorative justice can take place and the innocent mother of three can put her life back together as best as is possible. 

173 comments:

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

If the prosecution's case against Crystal is so weak, why are you so concerned about what is in the prosecution's discovery file?

Why are you persecuting a dead man over a criminal charge which was shown to be baseless?

Why did you believe Crystal when she lied to you about setting Milton Walker's clothes on fire?


The prosecution's discovery confirms the fact that the charges against Mangum are without merit. That's why it is being kept from Crystal Mangum.

Secondly, I am not persecuting Reginald Daye. Although it is unfortunate that he died, at Duke's hands I might add, mentioning his name and the circumstances involving the criminal charges against Mangum is appropriate.

Thirdly, even Perry Mason's clients lie to him. Perry believes his clients until he has reason to believe otherwise.

Let me know if you require further elucidation.


Anonymous said...

In a word, BULL....

Anonymous said...

No, the material is being kept from Mangum in order to keep it from YOU. Any "reasonable person" can figure this out, bro.
Keep saying Duke killed Mr. Daye.....it's fun to read.....it's a lie, but it's fun.
so, now you equate yourself with perry mason??? bahahahahaha!

Walt said...

Let's see, a real lawyer says she is at grave risk of a murder conviction. A real lawyer gets her a great deal. But you want us to believe you. That dog just don't hunt.

Walt-in-Durham

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
In a word, BULL....


I can understand your loss for words. When the cold hard facts of truth slap you in the face, it is hard to make a reply. That's why my bud KC Johnson of Durhamland has not had much to say on the subject recently.

I bet that even Walt and the intern will find it difficult to comment on the latest developments.

Anonymous said...

Yep, we are all just overwhelmed at your brillance....totally speechless, bro.
Geez, Walt, you KNOW Perry Mason Harr is a much more competent attorney than anybody else. My goodness, after all, Perry used to win all his cases! HuzzaaH!!

Nifong Supporter said...


Walt said...
Let's see, a real lawyer says she is at grave risk of a murder conviction. A real lawyer gets her a great deal. But you want us to believe you. That dog just don't hunt.

Walt-in-Durham


Hey, Walt. You just proved me wrong! Hah!

I don't think much of a lawyer who keeps prosecution discovery and evidence from his client. The risk of a murder conviction is non-existent because the prosecution's case is so weak that it would not consider taking it to court. This is nothing more than a bluff.

And, I don't think its a great deal for an innocent person to plead guilty to a felony crime he/she did not commit.

Mark my words, the days of this malicious vendetta prosecution against Mangum are numbered.

Anonymous said...

So, hhhhmmmmmm, you read DIW. I thought you didn't stoop to such a waste of time as to read Professor Johnson's writings....

Anonymous said...

Yep, it's all a national plot led by the Grand Dragonness herself, Evans, to seek retribution against Sister. Sure it is, harr. You betcha.

Anonymous said...

Once again, the question remains......why don't you get off your whinining backside and go bail her out of jail? If the prosecution's weapon to get her to accept a plea deal is based on keeping Mangum in jail, all you have to do is bail her out to remove the weapon. So, why don't you do something besides whine?

Lance the Intern said...

Were I her lawyer, I would do anything in my power to keep Crystal from testifying. Unfortunately for her, pleading the fifth isn't going to look too good either. Her only real option is a plea deal - I've said this from the beginning.
I'm confident that there'll be time added to what she's already served.

Anonymous said...

lance, you made that prediction months ago and I agree with you.....she will be very forunate to get a plea deal that gives her time served plus.....
If Mangum were to testify as a basis for her claim of self defense, she would open herself up to a ungodly assortment of questions that she simply cannot answer. It would be a field day for the prosecution.

Anonymous said...

I find it interesting and ironic that Harr, who claims to be so justice-minded, refuses to explain why he has a known bigot as a member of his litle club. Talk about a hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

Harr is trying to be cute with his snappy comebacks......it aint workin', bro. your arguments, tall tales, outright lies, bumbling attempts at playing lawyer and forensic expert....FAIL

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The prosecution's discovery confirms the fact that the charges against Mangum are without merit. That's why it is being kept from Crystal Mangum."

Since you do not know what is in the prosecution's discovery file(as is evidenced by your obvious desperate attempts to access the file by exploiting Crystal), you do not know that.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Secondly, I am not persecuting Reginald Daye. Although it is unfortunate that he died, at Duke's hands I might add, mentioning his name and the circumstances involving the criminal charges against Mangum is appropriate."

Yes you are persecuting Reginald Daye who did not die at Duke's hands. You keep bringing up a criminal charge against him then deliberately failing to mention that the charge was baseless.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Thirdly, even Perry Mason's clients lie to him. Perry believes his clients until he has reason to believe otherwise."

How does that justify falsely accusing a Durham Police Officer of the Arson(not so called Arson but Arson)?

I guess you can not, since you try to dance and dodge around the fact that you accepted Crystal's lie as truth without trying to verify it.

If you really followed Perry Mason, you would know he investigates his clients.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Let me know if you require further elucidation."

As you have consistently shown, you are a deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniac who is incapable of elucidating anything.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I can understand your loss for words. When the cold hard facts of truth slap you in the face, it is hard to make a reply. That's why my bud KC Johnson of Durhamland has not had much to say on the subject recently."

What you have slapped people in the face with are lies, lies and more lies, not cold hard facts. You have no clue as to what the facts are. If you did you would not be trying to get access to the prosecution discovery file.

Profesor Johnson probably does not notice you, as you are so far beneath him.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
I don't think much of a lawyer(Woody Vann) who keeps prosecution discovery and evidence from his client."

Yet another indication Woody Vann is looking out for the best interests of his client.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The risk of a murder conviction is non-existent because the prosecution's case is so weak that it would not consider taking it to court."

So why are you so dsperate to keep Crystal out of court? Why are you so desperate to see what the prosecution has on Crystal?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"And, I don't think its a great deal for an innocent person to plead guilty to a felony crime he/she did not commit."

Why did you think the innocent Duke Lacrosse players should have been convicted of a crime they did not commit? DA NIFONG had no evidence of a crime.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Mark my words, the days of this malicious vendetta prosecution against Mangum are numbered."

We have been marking your words for more than a year. The charges against Crystal stand. She is still incarcerated. You have made no effort to get her free on bond.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Here is the deal that Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser Crystal Mangum’s attorney recently suggested that she accept".

Who?

Cyrystal is the Duke Lacrosse case victimizer/false accuser.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Do you really call that enlightening?

It is more of the divorced-from-reality ravings for which you have become infamous(albeit minimally).

You demonstrate not that you are a deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniac but a powerless deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniac.

Anonymous said...

Crystal Gail Mangum is not a victim. She is a perpetrator and a convicted criminal. She is a liar. She is a sex worker is claims not to have actually sold herself for money. She has nine convictions on her record and numerous other charges. She has a history of drunk driving, suspension of license, child abuse, violence against property, resisting arrest, reckless driving, assault on a police officer, giving a false name.identify, and making outright FALSE accusations against innocent men. THAT is Crystal Gail Mangum today.
Whether she will add a conviction for murder or manslaughter to her criminal career is yet to be determined.

Anonymous said...

If Mangum thinks she has such a strong case, she can tell her attorney NO WAY on any plea deal and insist on going to court. That is her right. Absolutely. If she wants to gamble and believes she can convince a jury that the killing was in self defense, good luck to her.
No matter what her attorney recommends, he cannot force her to accept a plea deal. So, if she takes the deal, it is HER decision and HER responsibility. I can already hear Harr, though, telling us all how she was FORCED into a plea. BullXXXX

Lance the Intern said...

For those counting, "Assault with a Deadly Weapon with Intent to Kill Inflicting Serious Injury" (the charge, according to Sid, that Woody Vann wants Crystal to plead to) is a Class C felony.

Which means the defendant faces up to 210 months in jail as this is a Class C Felony.

This is more than 10x the amount of time Crystal's already served - I find it hard to believe that the prosecution would consider letting her plea to this charge in exchange for time served.

guiowen said...

Sidney:

"I bet that even Walt and the intern will find it difficult to comment on the latest developments."

What exactly are these latest developments? You keep on telling us that the jig is up, that the prosecutors have no case at all, but so far as I can see nothing has changed.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"In his attempts to have her accept the plea deal, [Woody Vann] warned that if she did not agree to take it, her next court date would be in April 2013… seven months away. In other words, he threatened her with being forced to sit idly in jail another seven months while he did nothing".

In the NC Justice system, the prosecution determines when the accused gets a court date, not the defense. So how is Woody Vann forcing her to spend more time in custody?

Why don't you help her make bail. If she made bail and were released, wouldn't she have more time to visit with you?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The reason Mr. Vann is trying to persuade Ms. Mangum to accept a plea deal is because he is trying to assist a desperate prosecution in extricating itself from a situation in which it finds itself in serious civil liability, namely malicious prosecution and wrongful incarceration."

If Crystal had such a cause of action, why haven't you and your gang retained an attorney to work on such a suit? Is it because no reasonable attorney believes she has a cause of action?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Initially, the prosecution goal may have been to saddle Ms. Mangum with a conviction and lengthy prison sentence under a silently conducted trial, but since the involvement by Mangum’s supporters, the prosecution is now frantically trying to wiggle out of its predicament with a plea deal."

The trial if held in open court could not have been conducted as a secret tribunal, which you are in fact alleging. So the involvement of you and your gang is inconsequential.

You again show how split from reality you are.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The only ones fighting for justice for Ms. Mangum are her supporters, including the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong… and regrettably, they are the objects of disparagement and ridicule by the media-types."

Wrong. As was evidenced by the lack of attendance at your non Press conference, the media types ignore you and your followers.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
There is no doubt that in the criminal case against Crystal Mangum that she is up against a prosecution that is the antithesis of a “minister of justice,” and which is up to its eyeballs in a conspiracy with the Orange County medical examiner, defense attorneys representing Ms. Mangum, the mainstream media, and the enablers – the NAACP, ACLU, North Carolina Coalition Against Domestic Violence (enablers being other civil rights organizations, and politicians who are able to make a difference, but stand idly by and say and do nothing)."

Don't forget Kilgo, Justice58, KENHYDERAL, the anonymous irrelephant in the room, all of whom have abandoned their support of Crystal.

Do they know something you do not - that 0ne can not fight the truth that no one has ever victimized Crystal other than Crystal.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong...are the objects of disparagement and ridicule by the media-types."

SIDNEY, can you cite any media articles which mention your committee let alone disparage and ridicule it.

Google "Justice4Nifong". When you get the results, go to the left of the list and click on News. See how many results you get.

Anonymous said...

Lance i would bet on second degree or manslaughter with three years and time served. Maybe as much as five and time served.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @11:40 said: "Don't forget Kilgo, Justice58, KENHYDERAL, the anonymous irrelephant in the room, all of whom have abandoned their support of Crystal.
Do they know something you do not - that 0ne can not fight the truth that no one has ever victimized Crystal other than Crystal...........I stand 100% behind my friend Crystal, who is truly a victim of the totally corrupt North Carolina justice system. Even though she is completely innocent, the cruel and unusual punishment of being separated from her children provides a powerful inducement for her to accept a plea bargain. Doing this to a Mother is the heighth of wickedness. Any Mother will understand this. In Canada the failure, by now, of the prosecution to bring these capital charges to court would have resulted in a Judge throwing them out. And if the delay was caused by her Attorney, that Lawyer would have been censured and given a deadline to prepare her defense. Unless, that is, he could somehow convince the Judge he needed more time. This practice of extreme over-charging, setting exorbinant bail, delaying the proceedings for months and months, then offering a plea bargain for time served is completely immoral unjust and a blight on the State and on your entire Nation.

Anonymous said...

Ken: a blight ...on your entire nation.

No, Ken. It is a blight on NC. Not the entire nation.

I do not live in NC and will accept no responsibility for the serious flaws in their system.

The Duke frame exposed many of these flaws for the world to see. Self-described "justice advocates" like Sidney did not want the help of those who had belatedly discovered the unfairness of the system. They apparently thought it was more important that affluent defendants should suffer the same injustices regularly suffered by poor defendants.

Your should apologize to those you have unfairly maligned.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I stand 100% behind my friend Crystal".

So why don't you do something for her - like telling her to avoid SYDNEY like the plague he is.

Instead you run your mouth about a ridiculous, ubelievable explanation about how innocent Caucasian men raped Crystal,

Anonymous said...

Indeed kenny ......come get sister!!!! We will pass the hat and buy her amticket to canada. Gladly. Good mother, my left foot, pal"...."..........good mothers do not expose their babies to violence, throw ladders in front of them, set fires in front of them, get convicted of violence, and god knows what else. If you want her out of jail, come pay the bail yourself! Until you can whine all you want.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @4:39 said: "No, Ken. It is a blight on NC. Not the entire nation" .............. I'm no student of the U.S. Constitution but how is the 6th Ammendment interpreted?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:06 said "If you want her out of jail, come pay the bail yourself".............. As a non-American and a non-resident who owns no property in America a bail bond company will not accept me a a a bail bond poster for the usual 10% fee since they could not seize my property to cover any default. In other words to bail out Crystal I would need to put up the entire $200,000.00 Needles to say I don't have that kind of resource. I have however made contributions towards raising the $20,000.00 bail bond fee so that an American Bail Bond Company might put up the $200,000.00 on the basis of registering a lien against a seizable American property.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Why did you misepresent Dr. Julie Manly as an experienced gynecologist?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Lady Justice makes these demands so that the principles of restorative justice can take place and the innocent mother of three can put her life back together as best as is possible."

What has Crystal done to restore the reputations of the innocent Lacrosse players she falsely accused of raping her?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
So, hhhhmmmmmm, you read DIW. I thought you didn't stoop to such a waste of time as to read Professor Johnson's writings....


Yeah, I read DIW... I even have a button on my website that links directly to the blogsite. I have no problem reading or hearing views that differ from mine. I would occasionally tune into Fox News if I had cable or satellite.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Kenny, given that Sister has had problems complying with restrictions after previously being released on bond, I wouldn't be too keen on the bail thing........
On the other hand, perhaps she could just flee to the north and be done with us hicks here in the poor miserable conspiracy-ridden south.

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance the Intern said...
Were I her lawyer, I would do anything in my power to keep Crystal from testifying. Unfortunately for her, pleading the fifth isn't going to look too good either. Her only real option is a plea deal - I've said this from the beginning.
I'm confident that there'll be time added to what she's already served.


Hey, Intern. Crystal can handle herself when it comes to cross examination or direct, for that matter. All she has to do is tell the truth, which makes sense and is believeable. The prosecution is the one with a problem presenting its non-existent case.

Prepare yourself, Bro, to be disappointed when the prosecutors are forced to unconditionally dismiss all charges against her.

Anonymous said...

For the umpteenth time, sidney, Mangum has the option to accept or reject any plea deal. If her case is all that strong, then she should take her chances in court and testify to prove her self defense. Or, are you now saying that every potential juror in the pool is part of the conspiracy , too, so poor Crystal won't get a fair trial?
I predict, without question, that Sidney Harr will tell us that poor Crystal was FORCED into a plea deal that she did not want....by the evil white people.

Anonymous said...

ok, Sidney, we will all just wait and see what happens. If Mangum can handle herself on cross examination, then she has nothing to fear about going to trial. So, tell your client that she should reject all plea deals and insist on a trial. that sounds reasonable to me. go for it, bro

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Thirdly, even Perry Mason's clients lie to him. Perry believes his clients until he has reason to believe otherwise."

How does that justify falsely accusing a Durham Police Officer of the Arson(not so called Arson but Arson)?

I guess you can not, since you try to dance and dodge around the fact that you accepted Crystal's lie as truth without trying to verify it.

If you really followed Perry Mason, you would know he investigates his clients.


Actually, I don't recall ever seeing Perry Mason send Paul Drake to investigate his client.

Regarding the alleged arson charge, I found it logical to believe in light of the fact that the police officer did not immediately extinguish it. Instead, he closed the bathroom door and called the fire department which took fifteen minutes to respond... rousting two dozen of Durham's bravest out of bed in the middle of the night for a tiny blaze that a fifth grader could put out. That's why I believed Crystal's account.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
ok, Sidney, we will all just wait and see what happens. If Mangum can handle herself on cross examination, then she has nothing to fear about going to trial. So, tell your client that she should reject all plea deals and insist on a trial. that sounds reasonable to me. go for it, bro


That's precisely what I would advise, but it will never go to trial because the prosecution has no case. Mark my words!!

Nifong Supporter said...


guiowen said...
Sidney:

"I bet that even Walt and the intern will find it difficult to comment on the latest developments."

What exactly are these latest developments? You keep on telling us that the jig is up, that the prosecutors have no case at all, but so far as I can see nothing has changed.


You are unable to see that nothing has changed because the media is keeping events hidden from the public.

What has changed, and what is of great significance is that the prosecution is shopping around a plea deal for Mangum through her attorney Woody Vann. This is a recent development... and the prosecution case is so weak that they're offering her the plea to assault with a deadly weapon for "time served."

Anonymous said...

We've been marking sidney's words for years.....and watching mangum rack up nine convictions. I guess it's true......poor Sister is completely helpless, an innocent single working mom, putting herself through school, totally violated and abused by the evil white conspiracy of thousands who spend their every waking moment figuring out how to ruin this saintly lady's life.
wow, what a soap opera.

Unlike you, sidney, I think Mangum should insist on a trial. I think she should go to court, present her side of the story, and face the jury....with her truth, whatever it is. I think she should do this WITHOUT YOU. If she is telling the absolute unvarnished truth and was indeed the victim of a beating.....then, she has nothing to fear.....unless, of course, the conspiracy has rigged the jury.
If the prosecution has no case, then they will drop the charges and set her free. Whatever the outcome, Mangum needs to take responsibility for her own actions and, in my humble opinion, the worst thing she can do is listen to you

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance the Intern said...
For those counting, "Assault with a Deadly Weapon with Intent to Kill Inflicting Serious Injury" (the charge, according to Sid, that Woody Vann wants Crystal to plead to) is a Class C felony.

Which means the defendant faces up to 210 months in jail as this is a Class C Felony.

This is more than 10x the amount of time Crystal's already served - I find it hard to believe that the prosecution would consider letting her plea to this charge in exchange for time served.


Intern, it's elementary. The prosecution would gladly offer that deal because their case is non-existent... it consists of a vacuum.

If the prosecution had a halfway decent case they would not even offer a plea deal, period.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"The only ones fighting for justice for Ms. Mangum are her supporters, including the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong… and regrettably, they are the objects of disparagement and ridicule by the media-types."

Wrong. As was evidenced by the lack of attendance at your non Press conference, the media types ignore you and your followers.


That our press conference was ignored by the media is an astute observation that is right on. The media has ignored Mangum and Nifong supporters whenever possible... except when to try and put them in a bad light. Without doubt, the media is blatantly biased and selective in its skewed and one-sided reporting, as you have just confirmed.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"The reason Mr. Vann is trying to persuade Ms. Mangum to accept a plea deal is because he is trying to assist a desperate prosecution in extricating itself from a situation in which it finds itself in serious civil liability, namely malicious prosecution and wrongful incarceration."

If Crystal had such a cause of action, why haven't you and your gang retained an attorney to work on such a suit? Is it because no reasonable attorney believes she has a cause of action?


Because, mon ami, there's the small matter of the criminal charges, bogus as they are, that are still in play.

Thereby go ye enlightened.

Anonymous said...

Sheeer comedic nonsense, bro. you get funnier by the day.

Anonymous said...

We all know where this is going for Harr. He is laying his groundwork, now, for his continued nonsense about the great Evans conspiracy. If Mangum accepts a plea deal, Harr will claim she was forced into it. No questions about it. We will all be subjected to yet another stomach-turning binge of self pity and slobbering over the poor innocent Mangum being dragged off the prison by the evil white people.....and given no choice but to take the plea deal.
To be clear, Mangum has a choice. She can refuse any suggestion of a plea and take her chances in court. IF a deal is offered, and IF she accepts it, it is HER choice to do so.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I have no problem reading or hearing views that differ from mine."

Yes you do.

Otherwise you would not have so much heartburn when people tell you the truth, that the falsely accused Lacrosse players are innocent.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

" Crystal can handle herself when it comes to cross examination or direct, for that matter. All she has to do is tell the truth, which makes sense and is believeable."

Crystal has shown herself reluctant to tell the truth.

She lied about being raped by the falsely accused, innocent Lacrosse players.

She lied to you when she told you she did not burn Milton Walker's clothes(which led you to falsely accuse a Durham police officer of doing, something which you are unwilling to acknowledge and for which you have not apologized)>

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"That's precisely what I would advise, but it will never go to trial because the prosecution has no case. Mark my words!!"

We have been marking your words for months. So far they have amounted to less than nothing.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"You are unable to see that nothing has changed because the media is keeping events hidden from the public.

What has changed, and what is of great significance is that the prosecution is shopping around a plea deal for Mangum through her attorney Woody Vann. This is a recent development... and the prosecution case is so weak that they're offering her the plea to assault with a deadly weapon for 'time served.'"

So, let's have Crystal refuse the plea deal and have the case go to trial. Let's see if Crystal takes the stand.

You really do not need to see the prosecution discovery file if you are so sure there is nothing in it.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Actually, I don't recall ever seeing Perry Mason send Paul Drake to investigate his client."

That's because you probably ever watched Perry Mason, liar that you are.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Regarding the alleged arson charge, I found it logical to believe in light of the fact that the police officer did not immediately extinguish it. Instead, he closed the bathroom door and called the fire department which took fifteen minutes to respond... rousting two dozen of Durham's bravest out of bed in the middle of the night for a tiny blaze that a fifth grader could put out. That's why I believed Crystal's account."

No, you believed Crystal's account because you, yourself an habitual liar, could not see she was a liar.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Intern, it's elementary. The prosecution would gladly offer that deal because their case is non-existent... it consists of a vacuum.

If the prosecution had a halfway decent case they would not even offer a plea deal, period."

So, if the prosecution's case is so weak, why doesn't Crystal refuse the deal and let the case go to trial?

You do not want the case to go to trial. Why?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"That our press conference was ignored by the media is an astute observation that is right on. The media has ignored Mangum and Nifong supporters whenever possible... except when to try and put them in a bad light. Without doubt, the media is blatantly biased and selective in its skewed and one-sided reporting, as you have just confirmed."

You should admit the media has ignored you and Crystal because the media does not find either one of you newsworthy.

I say, Google the term "justice4nifong". When you get the results, click on "news".

You will find no news about either you or Crystal, good, bad or otherwise.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR(who is incapable of enlightening anyone):

"Because, mon ami, there's the small matter of the criminal charges, bogus as they are, that are still in play."

So let the case go to trial, no matter how long it takes.

Then, if Crystal is acquitted, she can sue in civil court.

However, if you tried to inject yourself into such a suit, that would guarantee Crystal would lose.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Regarding the alleged arson charge, I found it logical to believe in light of the fact that the police officer did not immediately extinguish it. Instead, he closed the bathroom door and called the fire department which took fifteen minutes to respond... rousting two dozen of Durham's bravest out of bed in the middle of the night for a tiny blaze that a fifth grader could put out."

You have repeatedly shown yourself incapable of logical thought. Maybe that is why you believed Crystal's lie.

Was it Crystal who told you a 5th Grader could have put the fire out? If so, why would you continue to believe that knowing she lied to you about who set the fire in the first place?

Anonymous said...

Lets remember that what we are reading here at this site is the OPINION of one BIASED RACIST......who continually tries to make his OPINIONS sound like FACTS.
None of us, not one single one of us, know what is going to happen with Mangum, her case,etc. No, not you, either, Harr.
I will wait to see what happens and not be the least bit concerned about Harr's opinions........he is entitled to them...as are all of us. As someone else said, we all have elbows, asses and opinions.

Anonymous said...

Actually if the officer behaved as harr described, when the fire occured, he is to be congratulated for following EXACTLY the correct protocol for a multi-dwelling structural fire. As someone who is related to both police officers and firemen, I can tell you that this officer did the right thing. It is ridiculous and simply idiotic to criticize his behavior for calling the fire department. That is exactly what he should have done.
How stupid to ignore the halfwit who STARTED the fire, in the presence of children, and, instead, to blast an officer who was doing his job.
and doing it right!!!

kenhyderal said...

Wake up North Carolina and recognize the travesty. Crystal has been separated from her children and lost custody of two of them because of this bogus capital murder charge. She has been held in custody with no movement of her case for 17 months and it has been suggested that if she doesn't cop a plea, they will not bring her case to trial until April of 2013. The price for her to get justice will be many more months of agonizing separation from her children. Exploiting a Mother's love for her kids in this way is beyond evil.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Why did you misepresent Dr. Julie Manly as an experienced gynecologist"........... I was in error Dr, Manly is a board certified specialist in Emergency Medicine.

guiowen said...

`kenhyderal:
"The price for her to get justice will be many more months of agonizing separation from her children. Exploiting a Mother's love for her kids in this way is beyond evil. "

So why the devil don't you and Sidney and all her friends come up with the bail money?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "Why did you misepresent Dr. Julie Manly as an experienced gynecologist"........... I was in error Dr, Manly is a board certified specialist in Emergency Medicine."

So why did you say she was an experienced gynecologist who observed semen in Crystal's genital tract? That is a pretty significant error on you part.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Exploiting a Mother's love for her kids in this way is beyond evil."

If Crystal had not stabbed Reginald Daye, she would not be in custody.

What kind of a mother is one who leaves her kids with a caretaker and then keeps appointments with men who are lined up by an escort service?

Anonymous said...

What kind of a mother exposes her children to,a,drunken brawl with a man and sets his clothing on fire in front of them? What kind of a mother has nine convictions on her record? Thank god the children were finally taken from this sorry excuse for a parent.

Anonymous said...

Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL again cuts and pastes one of his previous posts and attributes it to his alter ego Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

Right on, kennyhyderal.

guiowen said...

Malek,
I hope you're also helping with the bail money. Are you also helping to hire a good attorney?

Anonymous said...

It matters not what we think of mangum and her mother qualifications. Fact is , she has child abuse convictions and is in jail for murder. If the courts want to let her wee her children, they will do so. As of now, she does not have that privilege. My own opinion is just as valid as harr's or anybody else's, but it is up to the courts. I think the judge who said ,amgum was a good mother is probably mortified with embarrassment, since she killed a man less than a year after his statement. You can argue till hell freezes over that everybody else is to blame. I disagree. Mangum got into teouble LONG before the laz party........four YEARS before! Harr can't blame those convictions feom 2002 on rae evans.
The babies are someplace else now for a reason and unril mangum can go for more than an hour without hurting somebody, i think the kids should be kept away from her

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"KENHYDERAL again cuts and pastes one of his previous posts and attributes it to his alter ego Malek Williams."


Nice work Sherlock.

kenhyderal said...

Only Dr.Harr can prevent Malek Williams from copying posts that I have made, adding the words "right on Kenhyderal" and then re-posting them under his name. On many occasions I have implored Dr, Harr to either proscribe this behaviour or to interdict it but without success. I also have a complaint about the frequent and hurtful racist posts he allows. These posters often use a technique frequently adopted by right wing politicians in the U.S.A. and that is charging your opponents with the very crimes you, yourself, are guilty of. Calling those who beleive Crystal was sexually assulted by the LaX Team, "anti-Caucasian racists" is absolutely ludicrous. But I do call on Dr.Harr to set the record straight about my identity and to show some sensitivity in allowing such hate speech to be given an audience.

Anonymous said...

Nice try, no cigar hissy man.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDRAL:

No one ever called Crystal or those who supported her false accusation of the innocent Caucasian Lacrosse players "anti Caucasian racists".

Caucasian is an innocuous term, except to a blatant, unrepentant racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"These posters often use a technique frequently adopted by right wing politicians in the U.S.A. and that is charging your opponents with the very crimes you, yourself, are guilty of."

An example is your crusade to convince the public that innocent Caucasian men raped Crystal Mangum because she is Black. It is an example of your blatant unrepentant racism.

Only a blatant unrepentant racist would call the innocuous word "Caucasian" racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I do call on Dr.Harr to set the record straight about my identity and to show some sensitivity in allowing such hate speech to be given an audience."

Neither do we. We call on YOU to stop passing off yourself as Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

I call on Harr to stop the hate speech that HE and others in his merry little band of bigots put on this site and anywhere else they can find one person stupid enough to listen to them.
For you, Kenny, to whine and cry about hate speech posted here while you boorishly ignore the FACT that Harr has a bigoted homophobic nutjob on his web site, is incredibly hypocritical. Take a look in the mirror, emperor, you are not wearing any clothes!

Anonymous said...

Tell you what, kenny, I will describe mangum as a good mother when somebody explains and justifies the following to me:
1. commission of crimes in front of her children (violence, drunkeness, setting fires)
2. Selling herself for sexual gratification when she also brags about her, arg, degree with honors
And, please, for the love of reason, don't start the rant about poor crystal can't find any work except pole vaulting....we all know that is a LIE
3. Telling a deliberate and potentially life-wrecking LIE about three men that could have sent them to prison
4. Putting her child in danger by running to a location, where she KNEW the child was, supposedly fleeing from a drunken wild man who she claims to have escaped. Any idiot would NOT run to such a location (putting her child at risk) but would run to the nearest door, scream bloody murder, and pound on it till somebody answered
5. Engaging (in 2002) in behaviors such as drunk driving, reckless driving, theft, trying to run over a police officer and getting her license suspended three times. I guess that was Rae Evans' fault, too.
These are a few examples of behaviors that do NOT describe a "good mother". bull crap, kenny, bull crap.
Oh, by the way, I have not included the killing of Mr. Daye, as of yet, because we do NOT know, as of yet, whether she will be convicted of that crime!

Anonymous said...

The definition of prostitution in the state of NC apparently means having actual sexual intercourse in exchange for money. I think, though not sure, it also means agreeing to render other sexual "services" for money...in the name of propriety, I will not be more specific. I don't think Mangum has any charges or convictions on her record for "prostitution" under this definition.
However, it seems to me that using a vibrator on oneself, for payment, taking off one's clothing for money, engaging in sex play with another woman, for money.....all comes pretty darn near close. Walks, quacks, smells, swims, lays eggs....like a duck. I will not say she is/was a prostitute because there are no charges or convictions on Mangum's record for this offense. However, I will say, my opinion only, that she has the morals of a house cat......for all the other behaviors that are well documented

Lance the Intern said...

"...She [Crystal Mangum] has been held in custody with no movement of her case for 17 months and it has been suggested that if she doesn't cop a plea, they will not bring her case to trial until April of 2013."

This is about half of what A Citizen's Guide to Structured Sentencing recommends for a Class C felony with a previous arrest record like Crystal's -- and that's for the "mitigated" range.

Any plea deal I would offer would INCLUDE her staying in jail until sometime next year.

Anonymous said...

Seems to me that Harr is not telling us the truth here. (big surprise....). Why would the state even consider offering any kind of plea, unless, of course, we believe Harr's version of events and the state has no case at all. On the other hand, why would Vann tell Mangum to accept a plea deal unless he felt that she would not fair well, at all, in court? IF the state is offering some kind of deal, I would imagine Vann is doing exactly the right thing....and telling his client that her case holds no water and that she best accept. It all depends on the evidence and I, for one, do not believe that we have heard anything at all that even approaches the truth of the evidence in this case.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Actually, I don't recall ever seeing Perry Mason send Paul Drake to investigate his client."

That's because you probably ever watched Perry Mason, liar that you are.


Actually, I do have several sets of Perry Mason DVDs.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Intern, it's elementary. The prosecution would gladly offer that deal because their case is non-existent... it consists of a vacuum.

If the prosecution had a halfway decent case they would not even offer a plea deal, period."

So, if the prosecution's case is so weak, why doesn't Crystal refuse the deal and let the case go to trial?

You do not want the case to go to trial. Why?


The thing is that the case against Crystal Mangum will not go to trial because the prosecution has no case. The prosecution would lose even if Mangum was represented by a lawyer who was pulling punches.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sheeer comedic nonsense, bro. you get funnier by the day.


Glad you're being entertained. You're going to really get a kick out of how this thing ends.

Nifong Supporter said...


guiowen said...
`kenhyderal:
"The price for her to get justice will be many more months of agonizing separation from her children. Exploiting a Mother's love for her kids in this way is beyond evil. "

So why the devil don't you and Sidney and all her friends come up with the bail money?


Guiowen, the point is that Crystal should not even be placed under bail. She's not a flight risk, and she's innocent of any crime. She shouldn't be lodged in jail at taxpayer expense.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Actually, I do have several sets of Perry Mason DVDs."

That doesn't mean you watch them.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The thing is that the case against Crystal Mangum will not go to trial because the prosecution has no case. The prosecution would lose even if Mangum was represented by a lawyer who was pulling punches."

If that is true, why are you so desperate to see what the prosecution has on Crystal?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Glad you're being entertained. You're going to really get a kick out of how this thing ends."

So will you - in your exposed butt.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Guiowen, the point is that Crystal should not even be placed under bail. She's not a flight risk, and she's innocent of any crime. She shouldn't be lodged in jail at taxpayer expense."

This is another manifestation of SIDNEY's thinking, that he and Crystal are above the law.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

With all your laments about racism, you never consider that your boy, DA NIFONG, whom you consider badly treated, turned Crystal's false rape allegations into a racially charged issue when he, without any evidence, in public, said the crime had happened and it was racially motivated.

Anonymous said...

More Jeopardy:

Answer: Caucasian

Question: What is a term which in innocuous to anyone except a blatant, unrepentant racist.

Anonymous said...

More Jeopardy:

Answer: KENHYDERAL

Questio: Who thinks Caucasian is a racist, rather than an innocuous, term?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:54 said: "No one ever called Crystal or those who supported her false accusation of the innocent Caucasian Lacrosse players "anti Caucasian racists".
......... Whaa?? Every time I post here I get called a racist. What, pray tell, is the nature of my racism. What opinion or behaviour of mine constitutes racism. By the way racial terms like "caucasian" are not a words I regularly use to describe people. Nor do I use negroid or mongoloid. In my mind these are anachronistic concepts. In my experience, people who throw around the word caucasian are usually claiming "reverse racism"; a laughable concept, given the deplorable history of slavery, segregation and "jim crow" in America; vestiges of which are still found in what Dr, Harr calls, "the selective justice system, based on color and class" that seems so often evident.

Lance the Intern said...

Just a point of history for Kenhyderal -- the last segregated school in Canada was closed in 1983.

The "deplorable history of slavery, segregation and "jim crow" in America" doesn't stop at the US border.

guiowen said...

Sidney:
"the point is that Crystal should not even be placed under bail. She's not a flight risk, and she's innocent of any crime. She shouldn't be lodged in jail at taxpayer expense."

It's not clear to me that she's not a flight risk. But let that go. The fact is that she's in jail and will remain so until either (a) she's cleared or (b) she makes bail. Your insistence on not helping her with bail has as a consequence (unintended or not, I can't tell) her indefinite incarceration.

Next, let me play the devil's advocate, and assume that you are indeed right, and that she's innocent. For the last several years you've been saying that the lax players are not innocent because they've not been acquitted by a jury or cleared by a judge. By your own logic you should be happy to have Crystal tried so that she can be considered innocent.
I admit that I don't agree with this argument of yours: if indeed CGM and her lawyer can show proof of her innocence, then she should be set free, even without a trial. But please don't try to make believe that you're not being inconsistent in this.

Finally, as to the taxpayer's expense: why don't you and Kenhyderal and Malek and all your other friends bring her some nice hot meals, so as to contribute to her expenses?



Anonymous said...

Clear examples of reverse racism: filthy rap music lyrics that are too sickening to repeat, the New Black Panthers, Farrakhan and his anti semetic dribble, al sharpton calling whites genetic inferiors, quota systems in schools that give extra points to black applicants for being black and delete points from whites and hispanics for being white and hispanic, and so on andso on. You are a true idiot ifmyou think reverse racism dows not exist. And dont start the pseudo academic crap about systemic racism and white privilege. We all know racist when we see it and we all know bigotry when Harr displays it.

Anonymous said...

Harr just wants us all to rush down and greet mangum when the state magically and ashamedly throws open the doors of the jail.......and gives her yet another pass. She should have served far more time before.....
He wants her proclaimed innocent. But not the lax guys.

Anonymous said...

guiowen said...
"Malek,
I hope you're also helping with the bail money. Are you also helping to hire a good attorney?"



I have been working with her cousin to raise the money.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

kenhyderal said...

Lance said @ 10:20 : "Just a point of history for Kenhyderal -- the last segregated school in Canada was closed in 1983"...... True, situations like this occured, informally, in a handfull of places but it was never ever enshrined in law. Not since the eighteenth century. In most places where it was found it was in predominately black communities and perpetuated there at their own behest.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 1:36 said" "I have been working with her cousin to raise the money"........... Congratulations Malek. Please contact me by e-mail. Dr. Harr can give you my e-mail address

Anonymous said...

Nifong Supporter said:

"Guiowen, the point is that Crystal should not even be placed under bail. She's not a flight risk, and she's innocent of any crime. She shouldn't be lodged in jail at taxpayer expense."

Since bail has been set, shouldn't you be helping her raise it?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Every time I post here I get called a racist."

That is because you expect the world to believe false accuser Crystal Mangum was raped because she is black and the people she falsely accused are Caucasian(an innocuous term except to a blatant unrepentant racist).

Whatever, no one specifically called you or Crystal or anyone else "anti Caucasian racists".

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"By the way racial terms like 'caucasian' are not a words I regularly use to describe people."

That proves nothing.

What shows that you are a blatant unrepentant racist is that you consider the innocuous term "Caucasian" a racist term, that I might use it to assert my racial superiority.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"In my experience, people who throw around the word caucasian are usually claiming "reverse racism"; a laughable concept, given the deplorable history of slavery, segregation and 'jim crow' in America; vestiges of which are still found in what Dr, Harr calls, "the selective justice system, based on color and class" that seems so often evident."

You are not very experienced.

Reverse racism is alive and well, as shown by DA NIFONG's prosecution of the wrongly accused Duke Lacrosse Players to stir up anti Caucasian racism in Durham's black population.

That SIDNEY criticizes the North Carolina Justice as racist because of the outcome of the Duke phoney rape case. SIDNEY's criticism is an expression of his outrage that innocent Caucasian(an innocuous term except to a blatant, unrepentant racist) men were not wrongfully convicted of raping the woman who falsely accused them of raping her.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @3:09 said: "That is because you expect the world to believe false accuser Crystal Mangum was raped because she is black and the people she falsely accused are Caucasian(an innocuous term except to a blatant unrepentant racist" Crystal was sexually assulted because the perpretators, with thier false sense of privilege, believed that they could do so without consequence seeing she was an exotic dancer who was poor and black

Anonymous said...

KENHYERAL:

"Crystal was sexually assulted because the perpretators, with thier false sense of privilege, believed that they could do so without consequence seeing she was an exotic dancer who was poor and black".

That statement shows you are a blatant, unrepentant racist.

I repeat, Crystal alleged a semen depositing rape, Forensic evidence showed no such rape happened, your racist fantasies notwithstanding. She lied about being raped and accused innocent Caucasian men of raping her.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I add, your fantasies about Caucasians wanting to rape Crystal show you believe the innocent Caucasian men are guilty in spite of evidence, and is more evidence of your blatant, unrepentant racism.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Are you going to claim that the sentencing of George Huguely shows the Duke Lacrosse players are vicious predators? If yes, that would be another manifestation of your blatant, unrepentant racism.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Actually, I do have several sets of Perry Mason DVDs."

That doesn't mean you watch them.


You're right. I use them as coasters.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
KENHYDERAL:

With all your laments about racism, you never consider that your boy, DA NIFONG, whom you consider badly treated, turned Crystal's false rape allegations into a racially charged issue when he, without any evidence, in public, said the crime had happened and it was racially motivated.


As I recollect, didn't the partygoers shout at Mangum the "N-word" epithet?

I rest my case.

Anonymous said...

Sid: As I recollect, didn't the partygoers shout at Mangum the "N-word" epithet?

No. One (note the singular) player was alleged to have used the n-word at Roberts in response to a racial epithet directed by Roberts at players.

Please provide your evidence to support your allegation or apologize.

Nifong Supporter said...


guiowen said...
Sidney:
"the point is that Crystal should not even be placed under bail. She's not a flight risk, and she's innocent of any crime. She shouldn't be lodged in jail at taxpayer expense."

It's not clear to me that she's not a flight risk. But let that go. The fact is that she's in jail and will remain so until either (a) she's cleared or (b) she makes bail. Your insistence on not helping her with bail has as a consequence (unintended or not, I can't tell) her indefinite incarceration.

Next, let me play the devil's advocate, and assume that you are indeed right, and that she's innocent. For the last several years you've been saying that the lax players are not innocent because they've not been acquitted by a jury or cleared by a judge. By your own logic you should be happy to have Crystal tried so that she can be considered innocent.
I admit that I don't agree with this argument of yours: if indeed CGM and her lawyer can show proof of her innocence, then she should be set free, even without a trial. But please don't try to make believe that you're not being inconsistent in this.

Finally, as to the taxpayer's expense: why don't you and Kenhyderal and Malek and all your other friends bring her some nice hot meals, so as to contribute to her expenses?


guiowen, you left out a third option for Crystal getting out of jail... (c) prosecutors unconditionally dismiss all charges against her. And, if I have anything to say about it, that will happen!!

Regarding the Duke Lacrosse defendants, I do not know whether they're innocent or guilty. What I do know is that neither a judge nor a jury found them "innocent." Roy Cooper's declaration of innocent is as relevant as yours or mine.

As far as your cockamamie idea for reducing the tax burden due to Mangum's unjust incarceration by dropping off hot meals, wouldn't it just be easier, more efficient, and effective to release her.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Harr just wants us all to rush down and greet mangum when the state magically and ashamedly throws open the doors of the jail.......and gives her yet another pass. She should have served far more time before.....
He wants her proclaimed innocent. But not the lax guys.


If people want to rush and greet Crystal when she's release, I have no problem with that. I'm not encouraging that action, however.

There's a difference between the Duke Lacrosse defendants and Crystal Mangum's cases. Whether or not the Duke Lacrosse defendants are innocent or guilty was never resolved.

Crystal Mangum, however, is innocent of murder, as she stabbed Daye in self-defense, inflicting a non-fatal wound that was successfully treated, and Daye died as a result of a botched intubation by Duke University Hospital. Also, she's innocent of any larceny of chose in action charge. The prosecution has no case!!!

Thereby, go ye enlightened.

guiowen said...

Sidney:
"guiowen, you left out a third option for Crystal getting out of jail... (c) prosecutors unconditionally dismiss all charges against her. And, if I have anything to say about it, that will happen!!"

Since I doubt that you can actually do anything about it, you'd better look at the options I gave you.

guiowen said...

Sidney:
"Regarding the Duke Lacrosse defendants, I do not know whether they're innocent or guilty. What I do know is that neither a judge nor a jury found them "innocent." Roy Cooper's declaration of innocent is as relevant as yours or mine."

Which is precisely why you should be eager to have Crystal tried. Otherwise you're being inconsistent.

guiowen said...

Sidney:
"As far as your cockamamie idea for reducing the tax burden due to Mangum's unjust incarceration by dropping off hot meals, wouldn't it just be easier, more efficient, and effective to release her."

Unfortunately you're in no position to have her released (unless you actually ante up the bail money). I'm giving you an idea of something that you can in fact do.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"As I recollect, didn't the partygoers shout at Mangum the "N-word" epithet?

I rest my case."

SIDNEY, that is a lie made up by the media which tried to crucify the Lacrosse players after they were falsely and wrongfully accused.

Rest your case? You haven't made any case in all the years you have been promulgating that lie.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Regarding the Duke Lacrosse defendants, I do not know whether they're innocent or guilty. What I do know is that neither a judge nor a jury found them "innocent." Roy Cooper's declaration of innocent is as relevant as yours or mine."

If you were not a racist with a vendetta against the Lacrosse players(who were wrongfully accused) you would acknowledge they were innocent.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Regarding the Duke Lacrosse defendants, I do not know whether they're innocent or guilty. What I do know is that neither a judge nor a jury found them "innocent." Roy Cooper's declaration of innocent is as relevant as yours or mine."

But you expect Crystal to be declared innocent without ever having to go before a judge or jury.

Why should the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players have been required to go before a judge or jury? Corrupt DA NIFONG had no justification for charging them with first degree rape.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"There's a difference between the Duke Lacrosse defendants and Crystal Mangum's cases. Whether or not the Duke Lacrosse defendants are innocent or guilty was never resolved."

No, the difference is this:

In the Duke Lacrosse case there was hard evidence pre indictment that the alleged crime never happened, that it was fabricated.

The death of Reginald Daye at Crystal's hand is not a fabrication.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Crystal Mangum, however, is innocent of murder, as she stabbed Daye in self-defense, inflicting a non-fatal wound that was successfully treated, and Daye died as a result of a botched intubation by Duke University Hospital. Also, she's innocent of any larceny of chose in action charge. The prosecution has no case!!!"

How can you say Crystal is innocent of the charges filed against her even though neither judge nor jury has heard them?

Why was it inappropriate to recognize that the Lacrosse players were innocent before the case went to trial. What evidence did DA NIFONG have that a rape had been committed?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"There's a difference between the Duke Lacrosse defendants and Crystal Mangum's cases. Whether or not the Duke Lacrosse defendants are innocent or guilty was never resolved."

Truly a comment typical of a deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniac who believes he is above the law.

Walt said...

"There's a difference between the Duke Lacrosse defendants and Crystal Mangum's cases. Whether or not the Duke Lacrosse defendants are innocent or guilty was never resolved."

Sid's favorite double standard at work. Crystal gets multiple convictions, yet she's innocent. The investigation of the fiasco proves beyond any doubt that the lacrosse defendants were innocent of the charges, yet that case was "never resolved." Sid, just for your woefully empty fund of knowledge, the lacrosse charges were dismissed as being groundless, except for Nifong who was convicted of contempt. Oops, those facts are difficult things for Sidney.

"Crystal Mangum, however, is innocent of murder..."

Indeed she is, though not by Sid's standard. However, if we believe Sid she is about to plead guility to a lesser included offense.

"...Daye died as a result of a botched intubation by Duke University Hospital."

If we accept Sid's opinion, it is immaterial. The law in North Carolina still treats this situation as Manslaughter 2. I've explained that numerous times to Sid, he just refuses to accept the law as it is. Thus his entire argument is unpersuasive.

".... Thereby, go ye enlightened."

Sid, you ignore the facts, you ignore the law, you are not the least bit enlightening.

Walt-in-Durham


kenhyderal said...

Anonymous@3:09 PM 9-31-12 said: "Whatever, no one specifically called you or Crystal or anyone else "anti Caucasian racists"......... When you call us racists then, what "race" are you suggesting we show bigotry for?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"When you call us racists then, what "race" are you suggesting we show bigotry for?"

I am suggesting nothing. I am saying you are condemning a certain ethnic group because of their ethnicity. If the shoe fits, wear it.

When you are arguing that innocent Caucasian men raped Crystal Mangum based on her proven false allegations and her ethnicity, what are you saying?

Anonymous said...




"I have been working with her cousin to raise the money."

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996



Cousin Jackie?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Crystal_Magnum_28.jpg

This is a link to a rather clear picture of Crystal, her mug shot taken after she was arrested for stabbing Reginald Daye, which clearly shows she has no evidence of a beating about the face and head.

Anonymous said...

Sid,

Where is your apology?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:24 said: "I am suggesting nothing. I am saying you are condemning a certain ethnic group because of their ethnicity. If the shoe fits, wear it".......... I have no idea what the etnicity of those who sexually assulted Crystal is, nor do I care. That is totally irrelevant to me, as I'm sure it is to Crystal. The racism evident there came from the party atendees and more so from their false sense of priviledge and superiority then from any racial epithets that were tossed out.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal said:
" I have no idea what the etnicity of those who sexually assaulted Crystal is"
Of course you have no idea: nobody so far as I know has ever assaulted her -- except in her fantasies.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The racism evident there came from the party atendees and more so from their false sense of priviledge and superiority then from any racial epithets that were tossed out."

You are showing your own racially motivated dislike for the party attendees.

So far as Crystal not being concerned about the ethnicity of her non existent assailants, you got that wrong. Crystal told the authorities her alleged assailants were white.

That is why Devon Sherwood, the only Black member of the team, was not required to give a sample for DNA testing.

Crystal also told people at the Platinum Club, where she worked as a pole dancer, she was going to be paid by the "White boys".

kenhyderal said...

You are mistaking race and ethnicity. Afgani are Caucasian, Sudanese are Caucasian, Iraqui and Kurds are Caucasian many of who are of darker skin tone then Devon. What you really mean when you say Caucasian is white-skinned. America is about the only place where they use that anachronistic term that way

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"What you really mean when you say Caucasian is white-skinned. America is about the only place where they use that anachronistic term that way"

From Wikipedia:

"The term Caucasian race (also Caucasoid, Europid, or Europoid) has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia (the Middle East), parts of Central Asia and South Asia. Historically, the term has been used to describe many peoples from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone.

I posted this once on J4N for you to read. Apparently tou never did so.

Maybe you were busy figuring out which of your previous posts you wanted to copy, then repost and attribute it to Malek Williams.

I personally take my cue from Michael Jackson's "Black or White":

"I'm Not Going To Spend
My Life Being A Color"

Maybe you should do so.

kenhyderal said...

"Don`t tell me you agree with me
When I saw you kicking dirt in my eye"

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Don`t tell me you agree with me
When I saw you kicking dirt in my eye"

How about you cease flinging your racist mud at the innocent white caucasians you accuse wrongfully of raping Crystal Mangum.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Since you learned to find the lyrics to Black and White, maybe you could learn to copy and post something not your own the next time you want to masquerade as Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Maybe that dirt in your eye is a result of all that grubbing around you are doing looking for something dirty to toss at the innocent Caucasians you wrongfully accuse of raping Crystal Mangum

kenhyderal said...
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kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:31 said: "Since you learned to find the lyrics to Black and White, maybe you could learn to copy and post something not your own the next time you want to masquerade as Malek Williams"......... Your replies make no sense at all. Stop pretending. You know full well that I am not Malek Williams and by persisting in that nonsense you make yourself look foolish. And frankly, I'm at a loss to understand why Dr. Harr does not confirm this once and for all. Hopefully that would stop or at least deter such foolishness.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I do not believe you.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

SIDNEY HARR is devoting most of his time to proclaiming he is above the law and thinking his bombast can free Crystal.

Either that or SIDNEY, himself. believes you are Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Not that I believe you actually are Malek Williams. Rather, I believe you copy and repost your own previous posts and then attribute them to Malek Williams, trying to create the impression that there is support for Crystal.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You say I am looking foolish saying you are attributing copies of your past posts to Malek Williams.

You are the one throwing a hissy fit whenever the topic comes up.

No wonder people call you Ken-hissy-fit.

Anonymous said...

I am not now, nor have I ever been, kenhyderal.



Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

Anonymous said...

" KENHYDERAL:

You say I am looking foolish saying you are attributing copies of your past posts to Malek Williams.

You are the one throwing a hissy fit whenever the topic comes up.

No wonder people call you Ken-hissy-fit.

September 1, 2012 4:48 PM
"Anonymous said...

I am not now, nor have I ever been, kenhyderal.



Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

September 1, 2012 5:56 PM"

I don't believe you.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You say I am looking foolish saying you are attributing copies of your past posts to Malek Williams.

You are the one throwing a hissy fit whenever the topic comes up.

No wonder people call you Ken-hissy-fit.

September 1, 2012 4:48 PM
"Anonymous said...

I am not now, nor have I ever been, kenhyderal.



Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

September 1, 2012 5:56 PM"

KENHYDERAL is trying to be you, that is if you really are Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...
"You know full well that I am not Malek Williams and by persisting in that nonsense you make yourself look foolish."




Right on kenhyderal.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...


"I have been working with her cousin to raise the money."

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996



Cousin Jackie?



It's Showtime.

Nifong Supporter said...


guiowen said...
Sidney:
"guiowen, you left out a third option for Crystal getting out of jail... (c) prosecutors unconditionally dismiss all charges against her. And, if I have anything to say about it, that will happen!!"

Since I doubt that you can actually do anything about it, you'd better look at the options I gave you.


guiowen, the two options you gave are unacceptable.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"There's a difference between the Duke Lacrosse defendants and Crystal Mangum's cases. Whether or not the Duke Lacrosse defendants are innocent or guilty was never resolved."

No, the difference is this:

In the Duke Lacrosse case there was hard evidence pre indictment that the alleged crime never happened, that it was fabricated.

The death of Reginald Daye at Crystal's hand is not a fabrication.


Reginald Daye did not die at Crystal's hand, but at the hand of someone who intubated the esophagus instead of the trachea. The stab wound, which Crystal inflicted in self defense, was not fatal and successfully treated by the Duke University Hospital trauma team.

Let me know if you require further elucidation.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Crystal_Magnum_28.jpg

This is a link to a rather clear picture of Crystal, her mug shot taken after she was arrested for stabbing Reginald Daye, which clearly shows she has no evidence of a beating about the face and head.


You sly fox, you. Nice try. You expect me to believe that Ms. Mangum's hair was braided for one mug shot that clearly shows her face, and in another blurred mug shot of the same arrest(this is probably the one taken in 2011), her hair is not braided.

C'mon... you can do better than that. At least give me a challenge.

Nifong Supporter said...


Walt said...
"There's a difference between the Duke Lacrosse defendants and Crystal Mangum's cases. Whether or not the Duke Lacrosse defendants are innocent or guilty was never resolved."

Sid's favorite double standard at work. Crystal gets multiple convictions, yet she's innocent. The investigation of the fiasco proves beyond any doubt that the lacrosse defendants were innocent of the charges, yet that case was "never resolved." Sid, just for your woefully empty fund of knowledge, the lacrosse charges were dismissed as being groundless, except for Nifong who was convicted of contempt. Oops, those facts are difficult things for Sidney.

"Crystal Mangum, however, is innocent of murder..."

Indeed she is, though not by Sid's standard. However, if we believe Sid she is about to plead guility to a lesser included offense.

"...Daye died as a result of a botched intubation by Duke University Hospital."

If we accept Sid's opinion, it is immaterial. The law in North Carolina still treats this situation as Manslaughter 2. I've explained that numerous times to Sid, he just refuses to accept the law as it is. Thus his entire argument is unpersuasive.

".... Thereby, go ye enlightened."

Sid, you ignore the facts, you ignore the law, you are not the least bit enlightening.

Walt-in-Durham


So, Walt, let me get this straight. In your opinion, if a woman is being assaulted and stabs her assailant in self-defense, and he later dies because of medical malpractice by the hospital of an unrelated medical problem, then that woman should be charged with murder. Did I get that right?

Anonymous said...

Sid:

Guiowen's option (a) is "she's cleared." Sid's option (c) is prosecutors unconditionally dismiss all charges against her."

Sid, why are (a) and (c) any different? Isn't it true that prosecutors [would] unconditionally dismiss all charges against her" if the results of their investigation "cleared" her?

Or are you suggesting that the evidence is not relevant?

Sid Owes Another Apology said...

Sid: So, Walt, let me get this straight. In your opinion, if a woman is being assaulted and stabs her assailant in self-defense, and he later dies because of medical malpractice by the hospital of an unrelated medical problem, then that woman should be charged with murder. Did I get that right?

No. You didn't get that right.

You made a straw man argument. You have been told repeatedly that straw man arguments are intellectually dishonest.

You owe Walt an apology for misstating his argument.

You owe all of your readers an apology for your intellectual dishonesty.

Sid Owes Another Apology said...

Sid:

You tried to pass off unsubstantiated (and at least partially debunked) rumor as fact. You have been told previously that is intellectually dishonest.

You owe your readers an apology for your intellectual dishonesty.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Reginald Daye did not die at Crystal's hand, but at the hand of someone who intubated the esophagus instead of the trachea. The stab wound, which Crystal inflicted in self defense, was not fatal and successfully treated by the Duke University Hospital trauma team."

Your delusions have not flown before. They do not fly now.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"You sly fox, you. Nice try. You expect me to believe that Ms. Mangum's hair was braided for one mug shot that clearly shows her face, and in another blurred mug shot of the same arrest(this is probably the one taken in 2011), her hair is not braided."

When I show you the truth, I expect you to deny it, as you have just done.

When have you ever shown us the truth?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"So, Walt, let me get this straight. In your opinion, if a woman is being assaulted and stabs her assailant in self-defense, and he later dies because of medical malpractice by the hospital of an unrelated medical problem, then that woman should be charged with murder. Did I get that right?"

That presumes that Crystal stabbed Reginald Daye in self defense and that Reginald Daye died of medical malpractice resulting from a different medical problem.

There is no evidence that Crystal acted in self defense. Reginald Daye died of complications of the Crystal-inflicted stab wound.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Regarding the Crystal mug shots, which is which and whether or not her hair is braided, those issues are irrelevant.

Neither picture shows any evidence of a beating. The one that is blurred is clear enough to show no evidence of the beating you allege.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Did you somehow wangle a ride for you and your J4N gang to Charlotte in an attempt to crash the DNC convention?

Anonymous said...

The picture is valid. And accurate. No beting. No bull

Anonymous said...

I think that photo was related to the prior criminal behavior when she attacked Walker and his property and got convictions for child abuse,violence, etc. Not sure, but I think so.
However, I have seen the mug shot taken immediately after the Daye killing. Contrary to the lie Harr told, the photo is quite clear. It shows no evidence of the beating, punching, eye gouging, lip swelling, scratching, face banging "hour of sheer terror" that Harr fantasized. She looks disheveled, and disoriented, like she is recovering from a binge....at least, that is how she looks to me. She most definitely does NOT look beat up at all. If she was choked, the marks would not be visible in the photo because her neck is not visible except a small patch. Her hair is messed up as you might expect. I see no swolen lip, no eye swelling, no scratch marks, no bruising at all.
By the way, as a reminder, Mangumed DENIED any pain in her face, head and neck in her assessment by the EMTs. She required NO treatment. This is not the picture nor the assessment of a person who as endured a severe beating, chokig, hea punching, face punching for hour.
Nice try, bro...liar, liar, pants most definitely ablaze!