Tuesday, September 4, 2012

Exculpatory evidence withheld from Ms. Mangum… by her attorney

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In a criminal case against Duke Lacrosse case victim/accuser Crystal Mangum, the charges against her should never have been brought. What makes this case truly bizarre and unique is that Ms. Mangum’s attorney holds in his hands the exculpatory evidence to free his client, but is keeping it from her while he tries to convince her to plead guilty to assault with intent to kill inflicting serious injury… a class C felony. The document of interest is a report by Dr. Christena L. Roberts, a forensics pathologist who reviewed the April 14, 2011 Autopsy Examination Report on Reginald Daye. The autopsy and author of the report was Orange County Medical Examiner Clay Nichols.

Dr. Nichols’ report concluded that Mr. Daye died as a result of “complications from a stab wound to the chest,” without mentioning specifics of his death and containing major omissions, such as the deceased was victim of a botched intubation which led to his brain death… irreversible coma secondary to brain death being the prime reason for his elective removal from a weeklong’s worth of life support and proximate cause of death. In addition to Nichols’ conclusion which presented no nexus between the stab wound and Daye’s brain death or actual death, the report contained findings of injuries that were at marked variance with findings in other medical records… such as the operative report and orthopedic surgeon consultation report. Dr. Nichols’ findings suggested that the stab wound Mr. Daye sustained inflicted far more damage than that in the other hospital documents.

It is expected that Dr. Christena L. Roberts, an independent forensic pathologist, would prepare a report that starkly contrasted with the one by Dr. Nichols which was the basis for the murder charge against Ms. Mangum. In particular, it is highly likely that Dr. Roberts would confirm what Mangum supporters have long contended… that Reginald Daye’s death was not secondary to the stab wound. Without doubt, the proximate cause of Daye’s demise would be due to his elective removal from life support… the basis for it being due to his comatose state resulting from a mis-positioned endotracheal tube.

Such a review of the April 14, 2011 autopsy report by an independent pathologist would have been the first thing that a competent defense team should have done to quickly and adequately debunk the prosecution’s false assertion that the stab wound at Mangum’s hand was directly responsible for Daye’s death. A review would also represent exculpatory evidence, proving that Ms. Mangum was not responsible for the victim’s death.

For more than a year, Crystal Mangum rotted in jail while no such review was even sought. It was only after Mangum supporter Sidney B. Harr, a retired physician, spoke with Crystal Mangum’s defense attorney H. Wood Vann on May 24, 2012, that Mr. Vann took actions to put such an investigation into motion. On June 12, 2012, Mr. Vann filed an application for defense expert witness funding, and on June 16, 2012, Superior Court Judge Henry Hight signed the order for it.

The order allowed $3,000 payment to Dr. Roberts at $300/hr… compensation for roughly ten hours worth of work… to review the autopsy report and other medical records, and to draft a report.

As of the date of this posting, it has been more than two months, eighty days to be exact, since the order was given for payment for the report by Dr. Roberts, and still Crystal Mangum has not seen it. She stated that her attorney, Mr. Vann received it some time ago, and that he refuses to give her a copy of it until she is no longer incarcerated.

In addition, a mysterious report by the SBI, purportedly involving entry-trajectory knife path studies, has been completed after a yearlong research. Ms. Mangum states that Mr. Vann has possession of that report, as well.

Finally, Ms. Mangum has never seen the photographs that were taken by prosecution that document the crime scene and the injuries she sustained. Their value is extremely important as they document her condition and support that she was physically abused… in favor of her claim of self-defense. Although her first attorney Chris Shella did share some prosecution discovery with her, he always refrained from providing photographs that she requested. Mr. Vann has continued along that vein by refusing to give her copies of the photographs, as well. Like the other prosecution documents being withheld, Mr. Vann told her he would turn them over to her only after she was released from jail.

The Roberts’ report, the mysterious SBI report, and the photographs taken by prosecution are all major pieces of exculpatory evidence that is being withheld from Crystal Mangum not by the prosecution, by her own defense attorney. This is unheard of… and if not illegal, it is inappropriate action by the defense attorney. If rules and regulations demand that prosecutors turn discover (especially exculpatory evidence) over to the defendant, surely a defense attorney cannot intercept and withhold it from the intended defendant.

Consider that former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong was accused of withholding exculpatory evidence from the Duke Lacrosse defendants, a myth that was pedaled by the biased mainstream media, which was the main consideration in his being disbarred. First of all, Mr. Nifong never withheld any discovery from defense in that case, and what information that defense attorneys claimed was “exculpatory” was far from being so. The media egged on the State Bar calling for Mr. Nifong’s head.

Compare that incident that occurred six and a half years ago with the current situation in which defense attorney Woody Vann is withholding exculpatory evidence from his own client, defendant Crystal Mangum who is facing a first degree murder charge and a possible sentence of life in prison without parole. Mr. Vann doesn’t want to show her prosecution discovery, thereby doing the dirty work of the prosecution for them… and of course, the media isn’t the least bit interested in the discovery (mainly because it is supportive of Mangum). The mainstream media is concentrating its efforts on learning about the names of the calls placed on former UNC head football coach Butch Davis’s cell phone, and the identities of the UNC football players who had their parking tickets paid for them several years back.

It’s not that the media doesn’t care about Ms. Mangum’s plight, because they do. They are a major part of the conspiracy that is helping to put her away for life because she accused three Duke lacrosse students, from families of wealth, power, and privilege, of sexually assaulting her… and because she’s African American. The media is playing a Jedi Mind-trick on the people by feeding them falsehoods and misinformation in their selective, skewed, and one-sided reporting. For the conspiracy to succeed, the truth behind the prosecution of Crystal Mangum must be hidden from the people… the crimes committed by the prosecution against Ms. Mangum must be concealed from the masses. A big part of that truth lies in the hands of Mangum’s attorney, Woody Vann.

Mr. Vann is aware that if he turns over the exculpatory documents and photographs currently in his possession that the truth about the grand scale conspiracy of persecution against Ms. Mangum will leak out into the public… and that would defeat his current objective. Convincing Mangum to take a plea deal for time served is the desperate play the prosecution is trying to now pull off to avoid civil liability for malicious prosecution, and to protect the reputations and work of Dr. Nichols and Duke University Hospital. If Ms. Mangum was armed with knowledge contained in the prosecution discovery that has been withheld, it is less likely that she would be as agreeable to accepting a plea deal.

One nonsensical argument for withholding prosecution discovery from Ms. Mangum is that if she had access to it, she would then send the copies of it to Sidney B. Harr. That is precisely what she should do, as Harr is a trusted friend and a physician who can best evaluate the report and help interpret it for her.

The argument then would become that if Harr got his hands on the prosecution discovery, then he would put it on the internet. What is wrong with that if, as expected, the prosecution discovery is supportive of Mangum’s innocence of the criminal charges against her? During the Duke Lacrosse case, defense attorneys, including Joe Cheshire, were repeatedly giving well-attended press conferences in which they revealed evidence that they claimed supported their clients’ blamelessness at the March 2006 beer-guzzling party.

As the defendant in a first degree murder charge, Crystal Mangum is entitled to have the entire prosecution discovery package, and it is inexcusable for her defense attorney to keep it from her. There is no logical reason for Mr. Vann to prevent Ms. Mangum from viewing and having the prosecution discovery and evidence with their exculpatory potential. By his actions, Mr. Vann brings into question his true allegiance, which surely does not appear to be with his client, Mangum.

Woody Vann needs to turn over to Crystal Mangum all prosecution discovery and evidence (including the Roberts’ report, the SBI report, and the photographs), or immediately step down from representing her as defense counsel. 

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kenhyderal said...

Guiowen @ 10:25 PM 9/9/12 said: "I thought she was your bosom buddy"............. Crystal is a good friend however I do not have any attatchable assets in the U.S.A. I have contributed towards efforts to raise the 10% Bail Bond fee if there is anyone there willing to pledge their real estate equity, to cover the $200000.00 When posters doubted that I had done so, I sent a scanned copy of the draft to Dr. Harr and asked that he confirm that "I walk the walk". For some reason, unknown to me, he will not do so.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal said:
" I sent a scanned copy of the draft to Dr. Harr and asked that he confirm that 'I walk the walk'. For some reason, unknown to me, he will not do so."

Well, Sidney has already said that he's unwilling to dignify the idea of bail. I imagine this means he doesn't approve of you doing so. It follows he won't post your comment.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"So far, only one blurred mug shot under extremely poor lighting conditions, has been shown by the media. The prosecution photos of her injuries that have been withheld from her will demonstrate plainly that she was abused."

The media have published two Crystal mug shots. Both, even the one you called blurred, support the ER findings, that Crystal showed no evidence of severe trauma.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Regarding Woody Vann, he has withheld exculpatory prosecution discovery and evidence from his client. In my book, that's severe violation of his duty to his client."

Since when have you ever shown yourself capable of writing a book about legal matters?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
You keep missing the point... which is that Crystal is entitled to have discovery and evidence in her case. Can we stipulate to that specific point?"

The point(other than the one your mother felt when she patted you on your head) is that you don't give a rat's ass about Crystal. You want to see the prosecution's discovery file, which you have no right to do.

t Crystal should see the discovery file only if you, under penalty of contempt of court, have no contact with her.How about we stipulate

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"We know for a fact that there was under-aged drinking at the party... which is a crime, in case you didn't know. The attorney general chose to overlook that, and who knows what ever other evidence which he later sealed. I don't know whether or not the Duke Lacrosse defendants were innocent or guilty, but one thing... I'm not obsessing about it."

First, attempt some enlightenment. Underage drinking is a red herring you drag in to obscure that the innocent Lacrosse players were wrongfully indicted for first degree rape, sexual assault and kidnapping.

Second, you do believe the innocent Lacrosse players were guilty. Otherwise you would not have so much heartburn over the AG's opinion, based on a review of the case, something you have never done, that they were innocent.

Finally, if you were not obsessing over the alleged underage drinking at the party.

While we are on the subject of inappropriate drinking, why is it you never mention Crystal's escapade of driving recklessly while legally intoxicated?

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr:

"Regarding the presumption of innocence, it's a shame that Crystal Mangum has already served more than 500 days in jail... and she's presummed innocent."

So why does it not bother you that both Leon Brown and Frankie Washington spent long terms incarcerated while presumed innocent at the hands of Tracey Cline. Do you believe she should get a pass for being an unethical prosecutor simply because she is Black?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"

Mangum can adequately defend herself against the charges because the prosecution doesn't have a case."

So let's see her do it.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The only time I even think about the Duke Lacrosse case and defendants is when I'm responding to comments on this site. My energies are exerted in trying to see that justice is achieved in the case against Crystal Mangum."

Why, then, have you repeatedly referred to Crstal in terms of the Lacrosse case?

Anonymous said...

Ken: I do not have any attachable assets in the U.S.A.

I have great news. You don't need assets in the US. You can pay $200,000 in cash.

This is a great development. Crystal will soon be free...

guiowen said...

There is a big advantage to paying cash: you don't need to use a bondsman. Since a bondsman would charge a non-reimbursable $20,000, you are much better off this way. The problem, of course, is that you'd need to raise the cash, but after all that's what friends are for: if each member of the J4N team were to put up $12,000, you'd be all right. Of course you'd probably have to pay interest on the money you borrowed, but interest rates are low.
Go for it, Ken! You too, Malek!

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

More on unconscionable:

How about misrepresenting that an "experienced gynecologist" found evidence of semen deposition on Crystal's person?

Failing to check what you assume as fact does not excuse unconsionability.

kenhyderal said...

I corrected my error, that Dr.Manly was a gynecologist. She was, instead, an experienced specialist in Emergency Medicine. She found what she thought was semen. Contrary to what you claim, the later negative test did not prove, definitively, that it was not. We've had this arguement several times before. Although the point is now moot, since the charges against Seligmann, Finnerty and Evans were dropped. What we, who still debate this issue, need is for an expert to settle the question.

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kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @5:18 said" I have great news. You don't need assets in the US. You can pay $200,000 in cash" and Guiowen @ 5:59 said "There is a big advantage to paying cash: you don't need to use a bondsman. Since a bondsman would charge a non-reimbursable $20,000, you are much better off this way"...........Your sarcastic remarks tell me that you, like many American Republicans have nothing but contempt for the poor. I'll wager $10,000.00 and two cadillacs that if you had a friend in prison in Mexico and her bail was set at 2,614,000.00 pesos you would be not be able to find a US Banker who would lend you the money for that purpose unless you had sufficient colateral.

guiowen said...

There are 24 members of the J4N committee. Counting you and Malek, but not CGM, that's 25 of you. You each have to find $8000. I can't believe you're unwilling or unable to do that. I'm not being sarcastic. As to the other, since my father was born in Mexico, you'd be surprised.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL

"I corrected my error, that Dr.Manly was a gynecologist. She was, instead, an experienced specialist in Emergency Medicine."

You continue your error. At the time, Dr. Manly was a RESIDENT in emergency medicine.

That is unconscionable

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Contrary to what you claim, the later negative test did not prove, definitively, that it was not."

You get it wrong again. The State Crime lab and DNA Security said the tests definitively proved semen was not present.

This is another unconscionable misrepresentation of fact which you try to pass off as truth.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

What do we need an expert for since the State Crime Lab and DNA Security, both charge by DA NIFONG to provide inculpatory evidence, found definitively there was none.

You seem to believe that because you believe there was inculpatory evidence, your opinion triumphs.

That is an unconscionable opinion.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I'll wager $10,000.00 and two cadillacs that if you had a friend in prison in Mexico and her bail was set at 2,614,000.00 pesos you would be not be able to find a US Banker who would lend you the money for that purpose unless you had sufficient colateral."

If you had $10,000 and two Cadillacs to wager, why don't you contribute them to helping Crystal make bail?

If you indeed have these assets and are withholding them from Crystal, that would be unconscionable

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Your attitude tothe Duke Lacrosse case seems to be that some Caucasian men must be presumed guilty of raping Crystal, that any evidence which exonerates them must be dismissed. How is that compatible with the presumption of innocence?

For a self named crusader for justice to have such an attitude, that indeed is unconscionable.

Anonymous said...

Ken,

You read too much into my sarcastic remarks. All you should read into them is that I have contempt for you.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Manly was rotating through the ED at the time, as a RESIDENT(as another poster has noted) and, shortly after the non-rape incident, moved on from the ED to another rotation. Manly is NOT, and never has been, an emergency medicine specialist.
The SANE involved clearly overstepped her role, made assumptions not supported by physical evidence, CHANGED her story, and (during the Nifong event), admitted she had misrepresented Mangum's physical state.
Mangum stated initially (four times) that the men did NOT use condoms. She was asked if she was sure about this during the examination. She said that she was positive they did NOT use condoms...expressed no doubt. Later, when it was shown in the lab results, that NONE of the LAX guys had deposited/left their DNA in or on her, she CHANGED her story and said they did use condoms, and that this was why they didn't leave their semen in/on her. convenient, huh, hissy boy?!
IF you did, in fact, put up $$$ for Mangum's bail, Kenny, then at least you have done more substantively for Mangum than ALL of the other J4N whackos combined. I suggest to you that ALL the rest of the club members have zero intention of opening their wallets because ALL of them, including your hero, Harr, do nothing but whine and complain. In fact, Harr's intrusion cost Mangum a fine attorney when Shella had enough of this circus and left the case. Now Harr is bitching about Vann. Too bad.
Last point, Crystal Gail Mangum is a LIAR. She has a documented history of lying. whether she is lying now about her killing of Mr. Daye remains to be seen, but if the past is prologue to the future, then this woman had best RUN from Sidney Harr and his lamebrain lawyer wannabe intrusion.....and....she better pay attention to her real lawyer....unless of course she fires him and decides to represent herself.
I betcha five cadillacs, my John Deere tractor and a beer that Sidney Harr is going to continue to muck in Mangum's business ......not because he gives a damn about her.....but because he had such a hate-on for white people that he will do and say most anything to twist/use her for his own purposes.

Anonymous said...

Harr, you wanna talk "debauchery"? Tell you what, having a woman sprawled/wrapped around a pole with her legs heading north and south.....taking money from men in public clubs.....that's pretty damn high on the debauch scale. Also, how about being drunk in a public bar, crawling on strange man's lap, gyrating in his face, stealing his car keys and stealing his car? How about that for debauchery? How about being out of control in a public place, attacking a man with a step ladder, vandalizing his car IN FRONT OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN? Debauch scale = 10! Oh yeah, how about passing out drunk in front of a grocery story, hanging out of a car door? How about allowing your picture to be taken and put on the internet on an , uh, "escort service" web site....in a teddy with your bosom half out, sitting open legged on a chair? Debauched enough for you?
Come on, Sidney, tell us how horrible it was for the LAX guys to be (horrors) drinking at the party? then, tell us about the saintly Mangum, just a single mom, working her way through school, raising her children.
Spare me........

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"What we, who still debate this issue, need is for an expert to settle the question."

That statement is laughable in view of your belief that Kilgo is an expert on the Lacrosse case.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

DA NIFONG seemed to accept the results from the state crime lab and DNA security as valid. Why else would he say he could convict in spite of the results?

Anonymous said...

I am not sure I understand or believe all that Kenny is saying at this point. It seems a little dubious that he would send money to a lawyer in Raleigh, for bail, knowing up front that there were no other contributors and nobody else stepping forward to post the bail. What good would a small amount be? does the lawyer holding the money just sit on it and not cash the "check" until and unless the rest of the bail is raised? therefore, is kenny not out the actual contribution? or, has the money/check been cashed by the lawyer and, thus, spent by Kenny? doesn't make much sense to me. We don't know how much he supposedly sent either.
anyway, just doesn't add up.....no pun intended.

Anonymous said...

Listening to names being read in New York this morning, in memory....and reading this. I am struck by the love and sacrifice of so many....who gave themselves that day, no matter the race, class, or origin. And, comparing this love to the bigotry and hate that seems to flow from Sidney Harr....who seems to think that so many people spend/waste their time thinking up ways to destroy Mangum. What a contrast and how sad that his mind and heart are clouded by racial hate.

Anonymous said...

Just to clarify a small point.....concerning the heading of sidney's latest flub entry. He calls it "exculpatory evidence being withheld with Mangum". First, there is NO proof, no documentation the the material being "withheld is evidence, and/or, that it is exculpatory". In fact, there is no proof, no documentation that Vann is keeping anything away from Mangum.....all we know is what Harr is telling.....which is suspect, to say the least.
If Vann has information he has not given to Mangum, that information might be highly incriminating for her and blow tank-sized holes in her self defense story. It might support her case as well. We do NOT know, at this point. We also do NOT know whether Roberts has done a report and what the report says. Again, all we have is Harr's version of events.
I am not drinking Harr's kool-aide and will wait until I see something substantive from an objective verifiable source before I believe anything he says.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
With regard to posting those documents, all I can say is that it violated federal law, damaged her case, and contributed directly to Shella's withdrawal. I also think it was incredibly disrespectful to the Daye family. Harr refuses to apologize or accept responsibility for this action and I refuse to ever see this behavior as anything but shameful. end of story


By posting the documents I am shedding light on the injustice that has kept an innocent Crystal Mangum in jail for more than 520 days. Posting the documents did not damage her case one iota, and if posting them forced Shella off the case, then so be it. He did not accomplish anything during the year he was in control. I don't see it as a big loss, myself. Keep in mind it is the truth, not any conflicted defense attorney, that will set Ms. Mangum free.

As far as the Daye family goes, I am sorry for their loss, but I am not the one who's concealing the true circumstances about his death. I am revealing them. If anything, they should be appreciative of my efforts in this regard.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Amazing to me that Harr is such a hypocrite. Here he is, yelling about withholding of exculpatory evidence from Mangum.......yet he refuses to admit that what Nifong did, in withholding exculpatory evidence from the LAX guys, was criminal. He is insisting that Mangum be released just because HE says she is innocent. Yet he fails to accept the innocence of the LAX guys. another hypocrisy. He whines about the long jail time for Mangum but refuses to open his purse to help with bail money. hypocrite. he lies about the fire setting episode but refuses to admit that he got caught in a lie. hypocrite. over and over, more and more glaring examples of his myopic view of justice.....


My friend, you are wrong. Mr. Nifong did not withhold any evidence from the defense attorneys of the Duke Lacrosse defendants. He gave them everything, and he did so well before a trial date was even set. Where do you think the Lacrosse defense attorneys got their DNA lab results and other information from? From discovery given to them by Mr. Nifong... that's where! The media has misled the public on this point... as well as many others.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr:

"Regarding the presumption of innocence, it's a shame that Crystal Mangum has already served more than 500 days in jail... and she's presummed innocent."

So why does it not bother you that both Leon Brown and Frankie Washington spent long terms incarcerated while presumed innocent at the hands of Tracey Cline. Do you believe she should get a pass for being an unethical prosecutor simply because she is Black?


First, it bothers me when any innocent person is wrongly incarcerated.

Second, I presume Mr. Brown and Mr. Washington are no longer incarcerated.

Third, Crystal Mangum, innocent of any crime, is languishing in jail.

The above are reasons why my attention and energies are focused on Ms. Mangum rather than Mr. Brown and Mr. Washington.

Let me know if further elucidation is required.

Anonymous said...

You prove what a liar you are. Nifong deliberately did not disclose all the lab information that was completely exculpatory for the LAX guys....and you know it. don't even think that you are fooling anybody with your lies. we all know exactly what happened. As his investigator relayed during the Nifong hearing, "We're Fxxxxx". They got caught, Sidney, and you know it.

Lance the Intern said...

"...I am not the one who's concealing the true circumstances about his death. I am revealing them. If anything, they should be appreciative of my efforts in this regard.

Revealing someone's medical records without permission from them or from their agent is a violation of HIPAA.

Did you seek permission before posting Mr. Daye's medical record?

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr did not have the Daye family's permission to read or post the confidential medical records that he obtained from Mangum. This is not only shameful behavior, it is acutely unkind and disrespectful to the family and memory of Reginald Daye. Sidney Harr is a disgrace to the medical profession and to the oath of professional conduct he (supposedly) made. So much for his ethics.......

Anonymous said...

If it's true that Kenny has sent some money to a lawyer in Raleigh that is supposed to go toward Mangum's bail, then I have to wonder how Harr can swell up and ponitificate about all his supposedly is doing to help poor sister during her extended time in the big house. Seems to me it is once again put-up-or-shut-up time for old Harr the Hypocrite. Or, is it that is pants pockets are just too tightly sewn shut?
Oh, and, sidney, it is pointedly obvious that you have no defense for your ongoing tirade about teh
debauchery" at the LAX party....especially since Sister seems to have won the Decade Title for Debauchery from 2002 through 2012.

Anonymous said...

The real reason your so-called attention is focused on Mangum is your hatred for white people. You just can't stomach the truth, can you, sidney? The rich white boys didn't touch Mangum, Nifong lied his backside off to try to steal an election and the truth (the missing DNA) put Mangum's lies under the AG's microscope for all of us to see. You use Mangum and Nifong as surrogates for your hatred; it is as plain as can be. Poor victim Mangum, poor innocent knight of the people Nifong.....just didn't fly.....and you can't stand it.
All the posturing and self agrandizing puffery is just you, flashing it (your backside) for us to view. You don't give a tinker's damn about Mangum. If you did, you would either put up bail money or you would tell her to talk to her lawyer...or, you would give her money to fire yet another lawyer and hire one who meets your standards.
What you care about is buried deep inside you, sir.....and it is sad.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal:
Seven weeks ago you said Crystal was very close to making her bail. Now you make it sound as though it's an impossibly high bail.
Which is it?

Anonymous said...

With regard to the photo of Mangum taken after she killed Mr. Daye, there is a VIDEO on YouTube which anybody can find, that was taken in court the day after she was arrested for killing Mr. Daye. (then assault, since he was still alive). In that video there is a full frontal shot of her, close, that shows NO evidence of beating, scratching, bruising or otherwise. She does not appear hurt in any way in the video, taken during her appearance in court. You would think that a day or two after such a beating would be the very peak time for facial bruising to be clearly visible....since injuries to the face and head typically show obvious bruising. Nothing. zip. nada.

Anonymous said...

Sid, provide one tiny shred of verifiable real substantive no-bullshit proof that Mangum was beaten by Daye. Just one tiny piece! What you say does not count. What she says does not count.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen @ 10:43 said: "Seven weeks ago you said Crystal was very close to making her bail. Now you make it sound as though it's an impossibly high bail.
Which is it?"..............................................................................Dear Mr. Edwards,


I hear that Crystal may be close to making bond. If that is true, your contribution will be used for that purpose, as intended. I shall update you further when I know more. Please reply to acknowledge.


Thanks,
Mark Simeon"................................ This is the e-mail I received from the Raleigh Lawyer on July 22nd.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen @ 10:05 said: "There are 24 members of the J4N committee. Counting you and Malek, but not CGM, that's 25 of you. You each have to find $8000. I can't believe you're unwilling or unable to do that. I'm not being sarcastic. As to the other, since my father was born in Mexico, you'd be surprised"............... I do not know any members of the J4N Committee other then Dr.Harr, himself, who I only know via this blog. Unlike to you and some other posters, he does not respond to questions or requests that I direct at him, through my posts. I do not know Malek Williams. I have done what I was able to bail-wise and I have also helped Crystal and her youngest child. I do not know if any J4N Members follow this blog. As to my hypothetical, you miss my point. I was not suggesting you were unwilling but only that borrowing money, for that purpose, without being able to secure the loan with attachable assets would prove most difficult.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"My friend, you are wrong. Mr. Nifong did not withhold any evidence from the defense attorneys of the Duke Lacrosse defendants. He gave them everything, and he did so well before a trial date was even set. Where do you think the Lacrosse defense attorneys got their DNA lab results and other information from?"

According to North Carolina law which has been quoted to you previously, DA NIFONG was required to turn over the report as soon as he had it. Instead, months ater, he turned over raw data.

Your answer indicates that you know what he turned over was raw data, not a report. Like it or not, intentionally or not, you admit Dbroke the law and withheld evidence the Defense was entitled to have.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"By posting the documents I am shedding light on the injustice that has kept an innocent Crystal Mangum in jail for more than 520 days".

Wrong. You are making unsubstantiated allegations, which shed light only on that you are completely divorced from reality.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"As far as the Daye family goes, I am sorry for their loss, but I am not the one who's concealing the true circumstances about his death."

If you cared for the Daye family, you would not be defaming Mr. Daye after his death.

I agree you are not concealing the circumstances of Mr. Daye's death. Since you do not know the circumstances, there is nothing you can conceal. You sure try to mislead people, presenting unsupported allegations as the truth.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"First, it bothers me when any innocent person is wrongly incarcerated."

Why does it bother you that the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players were not incarcerated?

If they had been wrongfully incarcerated, you would have celebrated that as a triumph of justice.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Second, I presume Mr. Brown and Mr. Washington are no longer incarcerated."

If you really cared about their respective wrongful incarcerations at the hands of your girl Tracey Cline, you would know that they are not.

You do not know because you do not want to. You do not want to admit your girl Tracey was an unethical prosecutor.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Third, Crystal Mangum, innocent of any crime, is languishing in jail."

It has not been determined whether or not she has committed any crime. Your proclamation of her innocence, considering the legal fool that you are, has no weight, legal, moral or otherwise.

I say again, if the innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players had been incarcerated, you would have called that a triumph of justice.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The above are reasons why my attention and energies are focused on Ms. Mangum rather than Mr. Brown and Mr. Washington."

The question you continue to dodge is why, after you had been informed about them, were you never concerned about their wrongful incarceration at the hands of Tracey Cline?

You were informed about them before Crystal stabbed Reginald Daye to death. You never learned about them because you did not want to learn about a corrupt Black DA wrongfully incarcerating innowcen men.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Unlike to you and some other posters, he does not respond to questions or requests that I direct at him, through my posts."

That indicates that SIDNEY himself does not take you seriously.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dear Mr. Edwards,


I hear that Crystal may be close to making bond. If that is true, your contribution will be used for that purpose, as intended. I shall update you further when I know more. Please reply to acknowledge.


Thanks,
Mark Simeon"................................ This is the e-mail I received from the Raleigh Lawyer on July 22nd."

This is the email you allege you received from the Raleigh lawyer.

After all the Malek Williams shenanigans, I am not sure you really did.

Anonymous said...

Cline was the DA when Mangum was arrested and charged in the Daye killing. Remember that, Harr. You cannot avoid it. Nifong and Cline, two peas in a rotten pod, built the record for overcharging in order to get pleas that you describe. Your boy and his clone are to blame.....

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KENHYDERAL:

http://www.examiner.com/article/louisville-s-dr-julie-manly-tries-to-save-hospital-haiti

"This is not Dr. Manly’s first brush with the national news media. Back in March of 2006, She examined and treated an African-American woman who charged that she had been raped by three white Duke University lacrosse players. Her medical report indicated that the woman presented some “diffuse edema,” but no visible bruises, abrasions, tearing or bleeding. Had Durham County District Attorney Michael B. Nifong actually spoken with Dr. Manly, the indictment of the Duke University students (who were ultimately acquitted) might never have occurred.

And previously, in the FALL OF 2005(emphasis added), Dr. Manly—who was then a RESIDENT(emphasis addad) at Duke Medical Center—joined a group of volunteer physicians and aid workers who flew to the Gulf Coast to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina."

I posted this once for you to read, Apparently you did not. That is unconscionable.

It was also unconscionable that you misrepresented what the exam of Crystal at DUMC actually revealed.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

One does not go from being a resident to being an experienced specialist in the space of less than one year,

Your misrepresentations are unconscionable,

Anonymous said...

The "diffuse edema" that was described could very easily have been present.....AND been the result of the activities in which Mangum, by her OWN admission, had been engaging. Any woman who reads this site will tell any reader that sexual activity, especially friction/abrasion with a device, WILL cause edema, redness, irritation and, at times, even discharge. If her hygiene wasn't perfect, if she had engaged in sex with multiple partners (which the lab results clearly documented), it is highly likely that any edema present was due to such activity. The ABSENCE of ANY DNA from ANY of the lax guys is hard evidence that they did not touch her, with or without condoms. ANY woman knows exactly what I am talking about and knows I am correct and accurate in my description of female reaction to intimate contact......
Manly got it entirely wrong because she lept to conclusions and did not validate her findings. To suggest rape on the basis of edema, with Mangum's clear sexual history, is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Both the SANE and Manly were discredited.......Manly was no expert in any specialty. A resident is not an expert and certainly not an expert. Residency, by the way, lasts more than ONE year, Kenny. Most residencies last three years. Manly was still a resident in 2006!

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from: http://www.examiner.com/article/louisville-s-dr-julie-manly-tries-to-save-hospital-haiti

"Had Durham County District Attorney Michael B. Nifong actually spoken with Dr. Manly, the indictment of the Duke University students (who were ultimately acquitted) might never have occurred."

Now SIDNEY HARR will cry, Aha, the media is deliberately trying to mislead the public, the Lacrosse players were not acquitted!

SIDNEY, deliberately trying to mislead the public is publishing something like, Reginald Daye was charged with assaulting a female, while DELIBERATELY omitting to publish that said charge was dismissed by the DA.

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Aninymous September 12, 2012 5:48 AM

I do not think Dr. Manly specifically suggest rape. It was Tara Levicy who told police that Crystal had findings consistent with rape, which was a medico legally meaningless statement.

Dr. Manly said she saw whitish fluid on Crystal's person which she initially believed to be semen. She did not do a wet mount for motile sperm, which was an inexcusable error if she did believe she saw semen. When she learned no DNA had been found on the rape kit, she retracted that impression and said it could have been from a fungal infection.

Of course, KENHYDERAL never reported that part which was unconscionable on his part.

Anonymous said...

The whitish fluid could very likely have been discharge from a common yeast infection....which any woman knows she may get along with frequent sexual activity....in particular, activity with multiple partners and involving activity with a foreign object such as a vibrator. Manly did, in fact, make references to what she referred to as "compatible with" rape. Both these people were discredited. Her examination was incomplete and flawed as has been stated and the SANE, totally discredited.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Cline was the DA when Mangum was arrested and charged in the Daye killing. Remember that, Harr. You cannot avoid it. Nifong and Cline, two peas in a rotten pod, built the record for overcharging in order to get pleas that you describe. Your boy and his clone are to blame.....


True... Cline was the D.A. when Prosecutor Kelly Gauger filed the charges against Mangum. However, in my reading, I am unaware of any hands-on involvement that she may have had with the case. Are you?

With regards to overcharging to force a plea deal, I'm sure that it is occurring with Mangum's case now, but there's no evidence that Cline was involved. Neither am I aware of any cases in which Mike Nifong purposely overcharged an innocent person in order to obtain a plea deal.

kenhyderal said...

The world needs more people of integrity, compassion and caring like Dr. Julie Manly and, might I add, like Mike Nifong. Anyone who is on the wrong side of whether Crystal was sexually assulted gets unmercifully trashed by the cabal orchestrating the monetary shakedown, including saintly people like Dr.Julie Manly.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Neither am I aware of any cases in which Mike Nifong purposely overcharged an innocent person in order to obtain a plea deal."

How about charging the innocent Lacrosse players with rape? Corrupt DA NIFONG was in no hurry to take the phony Duke Rape Case to trial. He did hope he could force the Lacrosse players to plead so he wouldn't have to present his non case.

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KENHYDERAL:

"The world needs more people of integrity, compassion and caring like Dr. Julie Manly and, might I add, like Mike Nifong. Anyone who is on the wrong side of whether Crystal was sexually assulted gets unmercifully trashed by the cabal orchestrating the monetary shakedown, including saintly people like Dr.Julie Manly."

RED HERRING, KENHYDERAL!

What is unconscionable is that you misrepresented her credentials and misrepresented the results of her physical exam. Why did you do that if not to perpetrate the lie that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 10:37 said; "What is unconscionable is that you misrepresented her credentials and misrepresented the results of her physical exam"........... I misrepresented her credentials out of ignorance and I have acknowledged my mistake. Taking into account what I have learned about what happened, including the initial opinion of the qualified Dr.Manly, I have concluded that Crystal was sexually assulted. The stategy, in the LaX defence has always been to be to discredit, in every possible way, each and every individual who holds any views other then that the Team members and their guests, are the epitome of character and morality. No piece of the narrative is too inconsequential to mount a full force attack against and any evidence that does not fit their story is attacked with heat and rage' raising the suspicion that they "protest too much". So what if Dr.Manly was not a gynecologists? Why get apoplectic over my error.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I misrepresented her credentials out of ignorance and I have acknowledged my mistake. Taking into account what I have learned about what happened, including the initial opinion of the qualified Dr.Manly, I have concluded that Crystal was sexually assulted."

IN other words, you are still misrepresenting Dr. Manly's credentials and findings to perpetrate the lie that Crystal was sexually assaulted(the word is Assaulted, not assulted).

Anonymous said...

KENHYDER

"The stategy, in the LaX defence has always been to be to discredit, in every possible way, each and every individual who holds any views other then that the Team members and their guests, are the epitome of character and morality."

While the Lacrosse players may not have been perfect(who besides God and his mother in this world was), the Defense strategy was motivated by the FAT that no rape occurred and the Lacrosse players were falsely accused by a corrupt DA who was using them to further his own political ambition.

That you can not see the facts does not change them.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"No piece of the narrative is too inconsequential to mount a full force attack against and any evidence that does not fit their story is attacked with heat and rage".

Their is no evidence that Crystal was raped. Your implausible hypotheses do not constitute evidence.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"So what if Dr.Manly was not a gynecologists? Why get apoplectic over my error."

What is unconscionable about this is you, probably deliberately, did not check the facts before you misrepresented them in an attempt to promulgate the lie that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

You are really embarrassed that you got caught with your butt exposed.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:46 said" (the word is Assaulted, not assulted" ......... Excuse my ebonics.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @4:54 said: "What is unconscionable about this is you, probably deliberately, did not check the facts before you misrepresented them in an attempt to promulgate the lie that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006"............ Failing to check is not deliberative. What is deliberative is the orchestrated campaign to falsely vilify Crystal and to aprobate the reprobates.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @4:54 said: You are really embarrassed that you got caught with your butt exposed"......Not now that I have acknowledge the error I made regarding Dr. Manly's qualifications. It's only in the mind of those seeking to discredit her that this issue is important. No other person with supposed "superior" qualifications and experience have criticized her.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Failing to check is not deliberative. What is deliberative is the orchestrated campaign to falsely vilify Crystal and to aprobate the reprobates."

The facts show that the only ones who might qualify as reprobates in the phony Duke rape case are Crystal and DA NIFONG.

That you choose to deny the facts does not negate them.

You have n o facts of your own to prove otherwise.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"It's only in the mind of those seeking to discredit her that this issue is important. No other person with supposed 'superior' qualifications and experience have criticized her."

In case you haven't noticed, I have discredited you, not Dr. Manly. Or rather, I have pointed out where you have discredited yourself.

And it was an error on her part not to do a wet mount on what she thought was semen.

To further discredit you, or actually how you have discredited yourself, you have stated that doing a wet mount would have been unnecessary, that it would have been "cya medicine".

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I would also identify you and SIDNEY as reprobates in the phony Duke rape case because you are promulgating the lie that Crystal was raped by Caucasian men, and you are motivated by racial animosity.

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