Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Prosecution’s not-so-secret weapon v. Mangum’s only weapon

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As I have stated before, the trial and inquisition given to Joan of Arc by the English was far fairer and much more humane than the state’s treatment afforded to Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse case victim/accuser. Ms. Mangum has clearly been subjected to a malign vendetta-driven prosecution by a wide ranging cabal of conspirators with a goal of exacting misguided payback for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case… and you can bet that their pursuit of this persecution is based in part on the fact that she is an African American woman. Those colluding to subvert justice and punish Mangum consist of the medical examiner Dr. Clay Nichols, the mainstream media (which to date has done a magnificent job of concealing the truth from the masses), and the Enablers… individuals and organization who are in positions to help put a halt to the injustices against Mangum, such as the NAACP, but elect to remain silent and do nothing due to lack of will, lack of courage, or both. One of the prosecution’s most valued and no-so-secret weapon is H. Wood Vann, the defense attorney for Crystal Mangum. The fact that he was the Court’s initial choice in appointing a defense attorney, speaks volumes as the entire Tar Heelian justice system has been and is now relying on him to do the bidding of the prosecutors.

Although the State’s initial goal may have been to win a conviction for first degree murder in order to hand Mangum a life sentence, the intervention by the grass roots organization Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong has taken that draconian option out of play and placed the prosecution on defense. The State, representing the city of Durham, is now fighting to extract a plea deal (preferably to a felony) for time served in order to extricate the City of Bull from any civil liability for its malicious prosecution of Mangum. And it is Mangum’s own attorney, Woody Vann, who has been given the mandate to deliver her on a silver platter to Durham prosecutor Charlene Coggins-Franks. You can bet that Mr. Vann will continue to dutifully carry out his assignment as he already indicated that he does not intend to step aside amidst criticism and accusations of some Mangum supporters… accusations against which he has no answer and which include the following:
(1) his failure to file a motion to dismiss the murder charge due to lack of probable cause and a charge based upon a blatantly bogus autopsy report;
(2) his failure to file a motion to dismiss the larceny of chose in action charge due to lack of probable cause;
(3) his withholding important exculpatory evidence from his client including photographs which document her injuries and suggest that Reginald Daye was the aggressor;
(4) his withholding important exculpatory evidence from his client including the report from Dr. Christena L. Roberts which assesses Daye’s cause of death and the autopsy report by Dr. Nichols; and
(5) his testing the waters on behalf of the prosecutors to see if Mangum was ready to accept a plea deal by presenting one to her and advising her to take it… saying that she had a weak case.

For Mr. Vann to suggest that the case for Mangum’s defense is weak when the prosecution is willing to drop a first degree murder charge to assault with a deadly weapon for time served (about 500 days at the time) shows the ludicrous nature of his contentions about the offer. Rest assured that after Ms. Mangum is softened up with more jail time, the plea deal will be offered once more, because the prosecution is not going to take this case to trial, because it has no case. And because, as Mangum’s legal counsel, Mr. Vann holds a position of his client’s trust, he is charged with bringing about her downfall.

On September 18, 2012, Mr. Vann and his collaborators put on a court performance in which he was pretending to valiantly fight to have Ms. Mangum’s bail reduced from $200,000 to $50,000. I felt all along that this event was staged for Mangum’s benefit and that all participants involved in this charade knew that there was absolutely no way in Hades that her bail would be reduced one cent. Vann had been taking a lot of well-deserved criticism from Mangum supporters for not doing anything for his client, so in response he felt forced to put on this little courtroom drama. Mr. Vann’s true allegiances and fidelity are evidenced by his actions in which includes his failure to seek dismissal of the bogus charges against Mangum, his withholding all pertinent discovery and evidence not already in her possession from her, his infrequent visits and lack of communication with his client, and his general lack of urgency and willingness to allow Mangum to unjustly sit in jail separated from her three children. The bottom line is that Mr. Vann has sold his soul to the Blue Devil, as his priorities obviously are to protect Duke University and its hospital from negative publicity.

Because it is obvious to anyone with at least one functioning gray matter neuron that the stab wound inflicted by Mangum was not responsible for Reginald Daye’s brain death and subsequent elective removal from life support a week later and resultant death, the defense and prosecution have even shifted their stories to suggest that Mr. Daye’s brain death was due to a massive aspiration following a bout of emesis. Even the mainstream media is going along with this misdirection by not mentioning the fact that Mr. Daye was improperly intubated by Duke University Hospital staff. This medical mistake that attorneys on both sides and the media are trying to keep covered up led to hypoxia which resulted in brain death and Daye’s comatose state.

In addition to protecting Duke University Hospital’s reputation, Mr. Vann is entrusted with eliminating any legal liability Ms. Mangum has against the city of Durham for bringing a malicious prosecution against her. The privileged Duke Lacrosse defendants, who never spent a single day in jail and who were able to shake down Duke University for $20 million each, feel that they are now entitled to receive $10 million each from the city of Durham just because Attorney General Roy Cooper felt pressured by Joe Cheshire to proclaim that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were “innocent.” Not only that, but the mainstream media has lionized and coddled these boys while viciously attacking Crystal Mangum and labeling her as a liar who is emotionally unstable, violent, irrational and a threat to society. In this backdrop, Ms. Mangum’s attorney is trying to wrangle from her a plea deal that would let the city and its prosecutors off the hook for compensation she rightfully deserves for a premeditated vindictive and malicious prosecution that has deprived her of her liberty for nearly a year and a half and deprived her of contact with her three children who love her and need her.

Whereas Mr. Vann is the prosecution’s not-so-secret weapon against Ms. Mangum, the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong and Mangum’s supporters are her only weapons against an injustice system bent on making her suffer because of politics related to the Duke Lacrosse case. Legal layperson Sidney Harr, a retired physician who has been sounding the alarm about serious problems with the Nichols’ autopsy report of April 14, 2011 since its release to the public in mid-August 2011, has helped Ms. Mangum draft and file motions to the court to dismiss the charges against her. The result netted by his action has been for the North Carolina State Bar to investigate Harr for the unauthorized practice of law; the action originating from complaints by “more than one journalist,” and whose identities have been hidden by the Bar which assumed the role of complainant for that specific purpose. Then, when Harr filed a Pro se petition for writ of mandamus to order prosecutors to dismiss charges against Mangum for lack of probable cause and to order attorney Vann to desist from withholding evidence and discovery from his client Mangum, the State Bar launched another investigation for unauthorized law practice (this one scheduled to be heard on October 24, 2012). However, all of Harr’s complaints filed with the Bar against prosecutors Kelly Gauger and Charlene Coggins-Franks (for malicious prosecution against Mangum without probable cause) and H. Wood Vann (for withholding evidence and prosecution discovery from his client Mangum) were not acted upon.

What contributes to making this an uphill battle for the Committee and Mangum supporters is the silence and idleness of the enablers – NAACP, the ACLU, the North Carolina Coalition Against Domestic Violence (in Durham), politicians (including those in the North Carolina General Assembly), and civil rights and religious community leaders. It is understandable why people refuse to get involved in trying to help Crystal Mangum… they realize that to do so is politically incorrect and they justifiably fear the consequences. A lesson was learned in 2007 in North Carolina when former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong was persecuted by the state, disbarred by the State Bar, and crucified in the media because he went forward with his prosecution of the three defendants in the Duke Lacrosse case… that lesson being that acting ethically and with professional integrity will not protect an individual from being mauled by the system. This has even been borne out in this situation as Harr has already been confronted twice by the NC State Bar… actions against him initially instigated by the media.

I am of the firm belief that Dr. Clay Nichols felt under duress to go along with the program and issue a report he knew to be fraudulent in order to wrongly implicate Mangum lest he be subjected to the torturous treatment meted out to Mr. Nifong. The politicizing of Duke Lacrosse related issues have cast a pall over the state’s criminal justice system unlike any other case, forcing some good and decent people to unwillingly take part in corruption and others to look the other way. The timorous NAACP is looking the other way and has been quiet as a dormouse when it comes to the gross injustices against Ms. Mangum… as has the aforementioned enablers. Governor Bev Perdue has been apprised of the injustice against Mangum as has Attorney General Roy Cooper, and they have both elected to ignore the issue and allow an innocent mother of three to remain locked behind bars because of a misguided vendetta.

The Committee is engaged in waging a lonely battle for justice with the enablers being effectively throttled by a statewide reign of political-inspired terror that is ant-Nifong and anti-Mangum. After peeling off the veneer to expose the true nature of the prosecution’s not-so-secret weapon, it is time for Crystal Mangum to jettison Mr. Vann… deadweight that is undermining her case while propping up hopes for the prosecution. For example, Mr. Vann has consistently been inconsistent in his explanations about prosecution discovery and evidence. First he tells Ms. Mangum that he has received Dr. Roberts’ report but will withhold it from her. Then, after confronted by the Committee he states that he has not yet received the report. First he tells Ms. Mangum that he will withhold from her the photographs taken by prosecution related to the April 2011 incident… photographs which document her injuries at Daye’s hand and the other exculpatory evidence. Then, after pressed by the Committee, he told Ms. Mangum that he sent the disc containing the photographs to the printer and they came up blank. The most recent explanation is that the photographs provided by the prosecution show only images of smoke damage to the apartment in the 2010 case… that he has no images related to the 2011 case. Durham Police Forensics report  (Note: the smoke damage was the result of Durham Police officers allowing clothing on fire in a bathtub to burn for fifteen minutes without any attempt by officers to intervene and douse the blaze by turning on the bathtub spigot or shower.) He gave Mangum no indication as to when he would have possession of the above referenced evidence and discovery. He gave her no indication of any action he might take to expedite there retrieval… documents and evidence that holds the key to her release from custody and the dismissal of charges against her as the photos support her claims of self-defense and the Roberts report will undoubtedly reinforce the baseless foundation for the prosecution’s murder charge.

As this justice system tragedy continues to play out, Mangum’s sole supporters will continue to carry the good fight against the state and its not-so-secret weapon… Woody Vann, a wolf in sheep’s clothing who is guarding the hen house. Even so, it is Mangum who will prevail as truth is on her side… and hopefully other current enablers will eventually muster up the courage to do the right thing by moving from the sidelines and take part in this all-important conflict with justice on the line. 

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Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'there was a corpse with a stab wound' ............ Absolutely wrong."

So how would you describe Reginald Daye's body? A body with a little scratch?

If so, maybe you got the description from Kilgo.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'Anonymous @ 5:38 9-30-12 said: all the media coverage after the case broke was viciously anti Lacrosse player' Appropriately so. Then the defense effort to discredit Crystal and beatify the Players went into high gear."

Inappropriately so. Crystal falsely accused the innocent Lacrosse players and the black racists in Durham and a corrupt took that and ran with that.

Crystal was discredited when it became obvious she had falsely accused them and they were being wrongfully prosecuted.

Your resentment towards Caucasian men who have worked and accomplished things is again showing.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen @ 4:12 PM 9-30-12 said: 'So at that point you didn't really know much about the case, or about CGM.......... Wrong I first learned about the case from Crystal in 2006. Crystal and I are long time friends."

Wrong. Even the authorities did not know what happened from Crystal, who changed her story each and every time she told it until she finally decided she could not remember whether or not she was raped. Ergo, it is not possible she could have informed you accurately what happened.

Because of your resentment of well off Caucasian men, you presumed guilt, just like all the other KIlgoish racists in the case.

Right on, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen @3:23 9-30-12 said: 'On the other hand, Kenhyderal, coming from Canada, where there has never been any discrimination (well, except for the fact that until the 1980's, Native Americans were sent to special schools where the females were neutered)is above reproach' Guiowen, I'm not sure what you are referring to here but do you really want to get into a debate about which nation Canada or The US has the best record of civil rights both historically and at present. That's a debate you cant possibly win."

If you were to take Canada's side in such a debate. it is a foregone conclusion that Csnada would go down in flames. You distort facts and put forth bare faced lies as truths.

Way to go KEN-Malek_HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 15:45 pm 9-30-12 said:..................59 ne 'You must have rather intense feelings of inferiority and low self esteem and envy in the presence of Caucasian men. That is the usual reason why someone reacts as rabidly as you do' Oh please spare us your amature psychiatrist act."

Do your feelings of resentment and hostility towards well off, accomplished Caucasian men stem from your dysfunctional relationship with your mother?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Look at http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=422ae2ae-2482-4e6b-a34b-a301ce4a3c95

It is not surprising you are unaware of such things in Canada. You tend to deny facts which make you uncomfortable with your biases. Then you delude yourself into thinking you make the facts go away.

An example is your reaction to the fact that the media, without cause, condemned the innocent, falsely accused Caucasian Duke Lacrosse players early in the phony rape case.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Correction:

KENHYDERAL:

"'Anonymous @ 5:38 9-30-12 said: all the media coverage after the case broke was viciously anti Lacrosse player' Appropriately so. Then the defense effort to discredit Crystal and beatify the Players went into high gear."

Inappropriately so. Crystal falsely accused the innocent Lacrosse players and the black racists in Durham and a corrupt District Attorney took that and ran with that.

Crystal was discredited when it became obvious she had falsely accused them and they were being wrongfully prosecuted.

Your resentment towards Caucasian men who have worked and accomplished things is again showing.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Here is another chance for you to come up with a CREDIBLE, I repeat CREDIBLE explanation for the following;

A Duke Lacrosse player witnessed the rape of Crystal Mangum and could identify the perpetrators. In the face of the vicious, rabid media attacks on the Lacrosse team he did not go to the police and identify the perpetrators. Then sometime later he gives the information to Kilgo.

I say a third time, come up with a CREDIBLE explanation.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 15:45 pm 9-30-12 said:..................59 ne 'You must have rather intense feelings of inferiority and low self esteem and envy in the presence of Caucasian men. That is the usual reason why someone reacts as rabidly as you do' Oh please spare us your amature psychiatrist act."

How about you spare us your hypocritical fighter for justice act, or your attempts to repost your comments and credit them to Malek Williams.

Why don't you work off your resentment and hatred for innocent Caucasian men who have accomplished more than you have. While you are at it, maybe you could come to terms with your dysfunctional relationship with your mother.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Then the defense effort to discredit Crystal and beatify the Players went into high gear."

You give another example of how you distort facts and misrepresent lies as the truth.

Early on in the case it was apparent there was no evidence that a crime had happened. The corrupt DA indicted three innocent Caucasian men anyway. What choice did their counsel have but to discredit the charges filed against their clients. By discrediting the accusations they discredited the false accuser.

However, in your mind, the false accuser was black and the falsely accused were Caucasian, so no one should have presumed innocence on the part of the accused.

Anonymous said...

Ken (Edwards), We all know your bias and your convictions......just like we all know Harr's. Nothing new here. No matter what Mangum does, she will never be guilty of anything. She could murder her three children with a hatchet on Nifong's front lawn, and people like you and Harr would, somehow magically, make it not her fault. We all know it would be the fault of the evil white oppressors and, of course, the enablers (translated, those wicked oreo uncle tom types you detest). and we all know you and harr would claim that poor mangum was only expressing her pent up rage against the conspiracy through an act of child sacrifice.
Do yourself a favor and just assume that we all get your particular brand of racism....

Anonymous said...

Hey Kenny, how is it that you know what TROSA is? I thought you said you had never been here......

Anonymous said...

An obvious and, I believe, telling difference about the true character....of Seligmann and Harr. Seligmann is DOING SOMETHING tangible, real, helpful, personally demanding, and powerful to help people through his work with the Innocence Project. Harr whines, writes this ridiculous flop, stands on a street corner, violates HIPPA, tells lies and pats himself on his pious back...with his man from naz remarks.

Seligmann = integrity. Harr = bull

Anonymous said...

Kenny is going to say that the poster was incorrect with the comment about a corpse with a stab wound....because, per kenny, daye was "alive" with a stab wound....and only became a corpse later, after duke hospital murdered him.
apparently kenny is not educated enough to understand big words like "proximate cause" as these words pertain to the law. Hooked on Phonics too difficult for you, Kenny?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Where's Sidney? Is he upset that his parody has been discovered?


I'm around... Just busy working on my next flog which will blow you away. It should be posted in a day or two... no later than Thursday.

Back to work for me. Carry on kenhyderal... You're doing a great job.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I'm around... Just busy working on my next flog which will blow you away. It should be posted in a day or two... no later than Thursday."

A promise which you have repeatedly made but on which you have never delivered.

It's something like your promise that your J4N gang will force the NC bar to reinstate DA NIFONG's license. Now you are saying that DA NIFONG doesn't want his license reinstated. De facto, you are capitulating.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Carry on kenhyderal... You're doing a great job."

Yes indeed you are. You are doing a great job exposing your and SIDNEY's blatant unrepentant racism. So, by all means, carry on, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Anonymous said...
Where's Sidney? Is he upset that his parody has been discovered?"

SIDNEY is either watching Honey Boo Boo, indulging his fascination with her, or ducking the serious questions which have been presented to him but which he does not confront.

So here's one, again. SIDNEY, what hard evidence was there that the innocent Lacrosse players raped Crystal Mangum?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Maybe you are suffering from multiple personalities and don't realize it.

That could explain why you post as Malek Williams and then deny you are him.

That is more rational than your hypothesis that some anonymous Lacrosse player is covering up for the people who did rape Crystal. I remind you there is no evidence that anyone raped Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

Continue your so called good work, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams_AL.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

This is from the appropriately named Liestoppers, concerning the Michael Jermaine Burch case.

Regarding the first rape Mr. Burch perpetrated:

"Rogers claimed he saw Burch dance with the alleged rape victim at the party and then saw him enter a bathroom. Rogers said Burch was in the bathroom for "a long time" during which Rogers said he heard 'thumping noises.' Burch was in the bathroom so long, Rogers told police, he left without him."

Then this comment about the false Duke rape allegations:

"
Btw, does anyone think that the guys at the Buchanan house wouldn't have noticed that one of the two bathrooms was out of service for half an hour? Wouldn't anyone have been trying to use it in all that time? And that they wouldn't have heard anything? Or missed anyone from the party? Or noticed them
as they came out? Or seen Crystal as she came out?

Was that account supposed to have been believable?"

Carry on, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams_AL

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:
KEWNHYDERAL:

Something else from Liestoppers:

"Photo of candlelight vigil and demonstrators outside the house on Gattis st:"

What follows is an empty frame.

And More:

"Brodhead's statements about the rape of a Duke student:"

What follows is a picture of a blank page in a writing book.

Acknowledgement to Quasimodo.

You people would claim probably that Michael Jermaine Burch was unfairly treated by the Justice system.

Just shows again how divorced you two are from reality, how invested you two are in your presumption of guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian men.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Since you seem to be ignorant of the way Native American schools were run in Canada, here is something you might enjoy reading:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2008/05/16/f-faqs-residential-schools.html

kenhyderal said...

Guiown said in quoting me: "I have never claimed to be acting on Crystal's behalf. I'm just a person who sees a gross miscarriage of justice and have chosen to speak out against it"................
This is a true statement. Can you explain to me where you see a discrepancy.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @7:51 said: "kenny is not educated enough to understand big words like "proximate cause"......................... In the opinion of some the cause of death was euthanasia. The proximate casue of death was cerebral anoxia due to a bothed endotracheal intubation.

Anonymous said...

In the case of the rape of a Duke student by Burch, the administration had the gall to comment about the victim apparently being at fault for putting herself in the wrong place at the wrong time........i.e., at a party with a bunch of wildly drunk debauchery ridden underaged males. gosh, I guess the Burch victim "asked for it", and poor sister, who showed up a party with a bunch of wildly drunk debaurchery ridden uderaged males.....wearing a thong and a smile and having play sex with another woman.........did not "ask for it"... How stupid can you get? Apparently, pretty damn stupid.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Guiown said in quoting me: 'I have never claimed to be acting on Crystal's behalf. I'm just a person who sees a gross miscarriage of justice and have chosen to speak out against it'................
This is a true statement. Can you explain to me where you see a discrepancy."

The discrepancy is that the miscarriage of justice as that innocent Caucasian men were falsely accused, indicted and prosecuted. You are trying to perpetuate that story and discredit the innocent men. You resort to misrepresentations of facts and outright lies to perpetuate that story.

Right on, KEN-Malem-HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

"no, dr kenny, in the opinion of ONE unqualified retired wingnut, the cause of death was murder by duke. I believe Walt has repeatedly explained the legal aspects of proximate cause on this forum. The fact that you and harr are either too limited or too ignorant to accept the information is your problem.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You are avoiding the challenge I now present you for a third time.

Come up with a credible explanation of why a Lacrosse team member whom Kilgo alleges witnessed the rape of Crystal, who knew the perpetrators were not Lacrosse players, who endured the intense hatred and hostility directed at the Lacrosse team, would not go to the police with that information but then would go to Kilgo.

Put up or shut up, as we say in the USA.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"In the opinion of some the cause of death was euthanasia. The proximate casue of death was cerebral anoxia due to a bothed(sic) endotracheal intubation."

In the opinion of which specific some - you and totally incompetent physician SIDNEY HARR?

The cause of Reginald Daye's death was complications of the medical treatment necessitated by Crystal's stabbing him.

The intubation was not botched(I think that is what you meant to say instead of "bothed". Why don't you use a spell checker). The medical record totally incompetent SIDNEY illegally accessed and published document the tube had been properly placed.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Have you checked out the article on how abusive Canadian schools for Native Americans were? I think not. You seem to be afraid of the truty.

Anonymous said...

More Jeopardy:

Answer: Spell Checker

Question: To what does KENHYDERAL not have a clue as to how to use.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Let me see:
Presumably you have known CGM for a long time. Certainly since 2006, probably much longer since you had intimate conversations with her in the aftermath of the LAX accusations.(Perhaps you were in high school with her but have since changed your slave name?)
In 2010 you appear on this blog, saying that you "have never claimed to be acting on Crystal's behalf." You were presumably some Canadian fellow in Dubai who just happened to chance on this blog. I guess you had never heard of this blog, though it's hard to see how Crystal's bosom buddy could be unaware of something clearly intended to restore Nifong's good name -- were you unaware of Nifong's relation to Crystal?

I guess you might say that you never said you were not acting on Crystal's behalf -- simply that you had never claimed to be acting on her behalf.
I guess you didn't lie -- you simply prevaricated.

Anonymous said...

wow, sidney is working on another flub. golly gosh, is everybody else just all atwitter with anticipation?
I hope the word count heads in a downward direction..........how much bull is anybody expected to swallow....

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"In the opinion of some the cause of death was euthanasia. The proximate casue of death was cerebral anoxia due to a bothed endotracheal intubation."

I forgot to mention one member of your "some" is probably Victory Poo Poo(isn't that precious) aka Victoria Peterson. I guess you think she is a medical expert. She is less competent than SIDNEY, and it takes a lot of effort to be as incompetent as SIDNEY.

Anonymous said...

well, when is Mangum going to give Vann the boot? I say again that Mangum will represent herself in court when hell freezes over. Surely she is not that dumb.....well, then again, maybe she is.
It would be interesting, no doubt.....what with her having to testify....

Anonymous said...

I happened across the WRAL story about the three motions Harr filed, supposedly with Mangum's approval and with her signature. The WRAL story says that Shell specifically stated Mangum knew nothing about the motions. Sooooo, somebody was lying then....and is still lying.
Harr claimed he had her signature. Perhaps. I wonder if she even knew what she was signing, IF she did sign. I wonder if she lied to Shella about her involvement with the motions. I wonder if Harr told her to lie to Shella.
What I DON'T wonder about is Shella and his truthfulness. There were two liars in this incident....harr and mangum.

Anonymous said...

So far, Mangum has had three different attorneys .....Jones, Shella and Vann (2x)......who have thrown up their lawlerly hands at the antics and intrusion of Harr. So, is Harr saying that all three of these people are corrupt and in the soup with Rae Evans?

Anonymous said...

Once and for all.......the behavior of the police officers who called the fire department when they discovered the fire SET DELIBERATELY BY MANGUM IN THE PRESENCE OF HER CHILDREN....was 100% correct. I am neither a fireman nor an officers, so I checked with a local fire department AND a local police department, inquiring about their protocols in a similar situation. The officer should absolutely NOT have made any attempt to extinguish the fire....in that setting....under those circumstances. His first duty was to get the kids and others away from danger, to assess the situation, to contain the fire, as in close the bathroom door, and....then....and only then, to determine whether to call the fire department or to extinguish himself. Since we do NOT know how big the fire was, whether it was next to drywall (and possibly spreading behind a wall, whether there were toxic materials on fire and danger from inhalation.......the officer had a duty to assess and then to make his own determination of next course of action, given ALL he circumstances of the incident. There were children involved, a cray Mangum, neighbors and Walker...who was also agitated.

For Harr to criticize an officer for doing his duty in a potentially violent situation (mangum yelling I'm going to stab you, XXXXX), with property already destroyed........is totally WRONG and off base. As usual, though, I assure you that Harr is too small minded, without character, without integrity and without the decenty to apologize .....for blaming the police and then, acting just like a two year old, for whining that the officer called the FD.
I suppose if the officer had not called the FD and the place had burned down, we would hear Harr doing his usual toddler rant about how the police deliberately let the building burn so mangum could have been charged with that destruction. Harr, you are without one ounce of character.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen at 10:39 said: "I guess you didn't lie -- you simply prevaricated"................. I did neither. I reconnected with Crystal in 2006 and learned that she was the person involved in the Duke LaCrosse Rape Case. It was then I discovered how difficult her life had been since this occurence. I chanced upon this blog by accident and in consultaton with Crystal I put her in contact with Dr. Harr. Subsequently she joined his Justice4Nifong Committee

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

" I reconnected with Crystal in 2006 and learned that she was the person involved in the Duke LaCrosse Rape Case. It was then I discovered how difficult her life had been since this occurence(sic)."

You left out that you presumed some innocent Caucasian men were guilty of raping her. Since then you engaged in wholesale distortion of facts and bare faced lying because of your presumption of guilt.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
Anonymous said...
Where's Sidney? Is he upset that his parody has been discovered?"

SIDNEY is either watching Honey Boo Boo, indulging his fascination with her, or ducking the serious questions which have been presented to him but which he does not confront.

So here's one, again. SIDNEY, what hard evidence was there that the innocent Lacrosse players raped Crystal Mangum?


First of all, I couldn't watch "Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo" even if I wanted because I do not have cable or a satellite dish. My energies are focused on the production of a flog that will expose the truth and give enlightenment about the 2011 self-defense stabbing incident.

As far as the Duke Lacrosse case goes, all evidence in it has been hidden, obscured from the public. I'm not wasting my time on that when my efforts are much better spent freeing Crystal and getting the charges against her dismissed.

Comprende?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 10:24 said: "Come up with a credible explanation of why a Lacrosse team member whom Kilgo alleges witnessed the rape of Crystal, who knew the perpetrators were not Lacrosse players, who endured the intense hatred and hostility directed at the Lacrosse team, would not go to the police with that information but then would go to Kilgo".................. This player knew he was completely innocent and not in any danger of prosecution but because of team solidarity and loyalty to his team brothers he decided, reluctantly, not to inform on them. In cultures like theirs informing is cosidered a betrayal of ones own. Later on, envolvement by Lawyers advised all team members not to speak without the advice of counsel. According to Kilgo seeing the outcome and observing the damage and hurt done to Crystal and her children this person is having pangs of consciene for not "doing the right thing"

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
So far, Mangum has had three different attorneys .....Jones, Shella and Vann (2x)......who have thrown up their lawlerly hands at the antics and intrusion of Harr. So, is Harr saying that all three of these people are corrupt and in the soup with Rae Evans?


In a word... yes. My upcoming flog will bring enlightenment about the specifics. It should be posted in a day or two.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 10:32 said: "Have you checked out the article on how abusive Canadian schools for Native Americans were? I think not. You seem to be afraid of the truty" This misguided policy was a stain on Canada. Apologies have been made and compensation has been paid.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,

Your prevarication was in your statement that you "have never claimed to be acting on Crystal's behalf." So she was your bosom buddy, but you were not acting on her behalf?
If we are to take your statements lately at face value, you were trying to deceive us about your relation with her.
Either you're lying now, or you were prevaricating then.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"This player knew he was completely innocent and not in any danger of prosecution but because of team solidarity and loyalty to his team brothers he decided, reluctantly, not to inform on them. In cultures like theirs informing is cosidered a betrayal of ones own. Later on, envolvement by Lawyers advised all team members not to speak without the advice of counsel. According to Kilgo seeing the outcome and observing the damage and hurt done to Crystal and her children this person is having pangs of consciene for not 'doing the right thing'"

The challenge was to come up eith a cerdible explanation. This is not a credible explanation. It ignores the fact that no rape took pace at 610 N. Buchanan avenue on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

Try again, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Incidentally, did you go back and erase that May 3 comment?
Naughty boy!

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Later on, envolvement by Lawyers advised all team members not to speak without the advice of counsel."

You seem ignorant of the USJudicial system in which suspects(what made the innocent Caucasian Lacrosse players suspects was the NTO obtained by the DA's office) not to talk to the authorities and to be represented by counsel. Like DA NIFONG, you seem to believe the Lacrosse team members were not entitled to due process.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal said,
"Apologies have been made and compensation has been paid."

Do you believe no apologies have been made in the United States? Do you feel affirmative action is not a form of compensation?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:


"This player knew he was completely innocent and not in any danger of prosecution but because of team solidarity and loyalty to his team brothers he decided, reluctantly, not to inform on them."

Wrong.

The whole team knew the whole team was completely innocent. If there had been a rape, and that Lacrosse player could identify non team members, he would have gone to the police out of loyalty and solidarity to said team. He would not have covered for non-Laxer perps.

The challenge was to provide a CREDIBLE explanation, not a fantasy consistent with your presumption of guilt.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal said,
"This player knew he was completely innocent and not in any danger of prosecution but because of team solidarity and loyalty to his team brothers he decided, reluctantly, not to inform on them."

Loyalty to his team brothers? But I thought the perpetrators were not team members.

Having difficulty keeping the lies straight, Ken?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
In a word... yes. My upcoming flog will bring enlightenment about the specifics. It should be posted in a day or two."

You show again you are a deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniac.

What kind of helium are you inhaling that gives you such an inflated opinion of yourself?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Later on, envolvement by Lawyers advised all team members not to speak without the advice of counsel."

You seem ignorant of the USJudicial system in which suspects(what made the innocent Caucasian Lacrosse players suspects was the NTO obtained by the DA's office) not to talk to the authorities and to be represented by counsel. Like DA NIFONG, you seem to believe the Lacrosse team members were not entitled to due process.

You also seem to share DA NIFONG's attitude that retention of counsel and remaining silent are signs of guilt.

Crystal invoked her right to remain silent after her arrest for stabbing Reginald Daye. Are you calling that an indication of guilt.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 10:32 said: 'Have you checked out the article on how abusive Canadian schools for Native Americans were? I think not. You seem to be afraid of the truty' This misguided policy was a stain on Canada. Apologies have been made and compensation has been paid."

You still seem afraid to confront the truth(I acknowledge and apologize for the above typo).

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

" In cultures like theirs informing is cosidered a betrayal of ones own."

How would it have been "a betrayal of ones own" for this Lacrosse player to have revealed to the police that the perpetrators of the alleged rape were not Lacrosse team members?

I challenged you to come up with a CREDIBLE explanation.

I again point out, forensic evidence definitively ruled out the occurrence of a rape. The entire Lacrosse team insisted they were innocent. That would render it not credible that some Lacrosse player would have gone to Kilgo with any information about a rape.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"First of all, I couldn't watch "Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo" even if I wanted because I do not have cable or a satellite dish."

So why are you so fascinated with her? "

My energies are focused on the production of a flog that will expose the truth and give enlightenment about the 2011 self-defense stabbing incident."

What self defense stabbing incident? You have not established as fact that Crystal acted in self defense. If anything you have lied about what the Medical records and Police reports said, that Crystal showed no evidence of injury.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"As far as the Duke Lacrosse case goes, all evidence in it has been hidden, obscured from the public. I'm not wasting my time on that when my efforts are much better spent freeing Crystal and getting the charges against her dismissed.

Comprende?"

What I comprehend is there is no evidence that any Lacrosse player ever raped Crystal. If all evidebce has been concealed from the public, why have I and a lot of other people have had access to the evidence?

If you say the evidence has been concealed from the public, doesn't that mean you do not have a clue as to what happened in the Lacrosse case?

You are probably going to cite Crystalwho lied to you about who set Milton Walker's clothes on fire.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowan said: Kenhyderal,
Incidentally, did you go back and erase that May 3 comment?
Naughty boy!" The only posts I have ever deleted were those where in I discovered I made a mistake in wording and then after correcting my mistake I reposted it immediately thereafter. So what is it that you think I deleted and why?

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "Loyalty to his team brothers? But I thought the perpetrators were not team members.

Having difficulty keeping the lies straight, Ken?"................. According to Kilgo, two Players were participants and were guilty of sexual assault, kidnapping and theft. The three involved in the gang rape were non-Player attenedees and were friends of prominent Players. Informing on them would come back to their team brothers.

Anonymous said...

In other words you got caught Kenny hissy. Good for you guiowen.

guiowen said...

I must say you're good at modifying your story, Ken. When did these two players come into your tale?

Anonymous said...

Ken,

I will pay the entire $20,000 fee (and someone will have to pledge collateral) to make Crystal's bail provided that you answer (and provide what I believe are credible answers) to all the questions that have been raised to either you or Sidney on this blog. Your answers must be consistent with the theory you have advanced. "I don't know" and "people don't always act rationally" are not acceptable answers. (There are other unacceptable answers as well; I provided two common examples.)

Each time I reject an answer as not credible and each time I must repeat a question because you ignored it, I will reduce the amount by $1,000.

Do you want to accept the challenge? Are you willing to have an intellectual discussion to free Crystal?

guiowen said...

Well, maybe you're not the one who erased the May 3 comment: you know, the very first one in the May 3 blog.

So I'll apologize for accusing you of that.

On the other hand, you still haven't told me whether you were prevaricating in 2010, or lying now.

kenhyderal said...

There is no inconsistencies between what I said in 2010 and what I say now

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: Do you feel affirmative action is not a form of compensation?".............Affirmative action does not compensate the actual victims of racism but it does help make up for abuses of the past.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:10 said: "Do you want to accept the challenge? Are you willing to have an intellectual discussion to free Crystal"..............Well the $20,000.00 is very close to being raised already. The problem is to find someone who will secure the $200,000.00 with attachable assets situated in the US. I will accept your challenge on the condition that an independent adjudicator rather then yourself be the arbitrator of what constitutes a credible arguement. Might I suggest a Duke Professor who was not one of the Group of 88. Professor Coleman comes to mind. Just to remind you this would probably entail you foregoing you anonymity.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "I must say you're good at modifying your story, Ken. When did these two players come into your tale?".............. Oh they've been there all along and both are key figures in this case and have been identified as such by Kilgo in posts to this blog

guiowen said...

kenhyderal said...

"There is no inconsistencies between what I said in 2010 and what I say now."

Parsing words again, Ken?

You tried to make us believe that you were some disinterested observer who had just happened to chance upon this blog, and who was simply incensed at the injustice he was seeing. If we had known you were Crystal's bosom buddy, we would have treated your words with the respect they deserved, i.e. none. Thus you prevaricated to make us pay attention to your words.

You are prevaricating now, once again, by parsing words.

Have I made myself clear?

guiowen said...

kenhyderal said...

"Affirmative action does not compensate the actual victims of racism but it does help make up for abuses of the past."

So tell us how Canada compensated all those native American women that they sterilized?

kenhyderal said...

This wikipedia entry will provide you with some information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization_in_Canada. Incidentally this happeded to a similar extent in the US as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#United_States

kenhyderal said...

This wikipedia entry will provide you with some information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization_in_Canada. Incidentally this happeded to a similar extent in the US as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#United_States

kenhyderal said...

And specifically as it related to Native American Women http://www.ratical.org/ratville/sterilize.html

guiowen said...

You still haven't told us how Canada compensated all these women.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"According to Kilgo, two Players were participants and were guilty of sexual assault, kidnapping and theft. The three involved in the gang rape were non-Player attenedees and were friends of prominent Players. Informing on them would come back to their team brothers."

You seem to be changing your story. You originally said that Kilgo told you that a Lacrosse player told him that a rape did occur but the perpetrators were non Lax players who attended the party. Now you are saying Kilgo told you that two Lacrosse players participated in a sexual assault.

Judge Judy has offered this observation on many occasions. A liar needs a really good memory in order to keep his or her story straight. One who tells the truth has no need of a good memory. You seem to have a faulty memory. Like Tara Levicy, you change your story to fit your presumption of guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian men.

Left off, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

Canada did not compensate the victims directly . The point here Kenny is that racism existed in both countries.....not just the United States as you claim. The ugliness of what transpired in Canada is every bit as horrific as what took place in the states. .......and still takes places today around the world today. Your arrogance is both shameful and wildly ignorant

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen said: 'I must say you're good at modifying your story, Ken. When did these two players come into your tale?'.............. Oh they've been there all along and both are key figures in this case and have been identified as such by Kilgo in posts to this blog".

Oh no they don't. If you really followed this blog, you would know that Kilgo knows nothing about the Duke Lacrosse case. That you rely on Kilgo shows only that you know nothing about the Duke Lacrosse case.

Anonymous said...

Suggest you read the story of the Canadian Holocaust, Kenny......including not just sterilization but also deliberate infection of children in residential schools, Catholic Church condoned and supported pedophilia rings , genocidal level murder, .......well into the 1950s. You live in a glass house; don't run around bareass , as we say here. No one denies the horrors do racism in this country.........but your attitude of nationalistic purity and piety is pathetic.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Getting back to Kilgo:

You have been insisting for over a year that Kilgo told you a Lacrosse player told him that a Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March by non Lacrosse team members.

I challenged you to come up with a credible explanation of why that Lacrosse player did not go to the police with his information. Your response was, he did not want to inform on his team mates.

Now you say Kilgo documented on this blog that two members of the Lacrosse team participated in a sexual assault against Crystal which was separate from the gang rape. That should have said to you that Kilgo can't keep his stories straight and is a liar(his motive being that he wants to convince racists like you that he knows something about the Lacrosse case).

So basically what we have is that you reject testimony of people who were there, the Lacrosse team members, that no rape took place. You accept the hearsay testimony of Kilgo that something did happen, although Kilgo, as you have inadvertently documented, could not keep his stories straight.

All of which adds up to, you presumed falsely accused Caucasian men guilty even before you contacted Kilgo.

Left off, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'Guiowan said: Kenhyderal,
Incidentally, did you go back and erase that May 3 comment?
Naughty boy!' The only posts I have ever deleted were those where in I discovered I made a mistake in wording and then after correcting my mistake I reposted it immediately thereafter. So what is it that you think I deleted and why?"

I point out you have not deleted a number of posts in which you made gross spelling errors.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You claim the testimony of the Lacrosse team members is self serving, meaning probably you believe they are covering something up. That shows you are presuming guilt on the part of Lacrosse team members.

I point out again, forensic exam of the rape kit definitively showed there had been no rape. Contrary to what Tara Levicy might have told the Police, the physical exam, performed by Dr. Julie Manly, did not show injuries consistent with rape. The Lacrosse team members had nothing to cover up.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"This player(supposwedly identified by Kilgo) knew he was completely innocent and not in any danger of prosecution".

So come up with a credible explanation of why DA NIFONG determined to prosecute three completely innocent men. The indictments of the three innocent Lacrosse players would not have convinced Kilgo's Lacrosse player that he was not in danger of prosecution, especially after DA NIFONG's proclamation he would prosecute members of the Lacrosse team as aiders and abetters.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The three involved in the gang rape were non-Player attenedees and were friends of prominent Players. Informing on them would come back to their team brothers."

Again, not a credible explanation. In view of the fact that three Lacrosse players were wrongfully indicted and that DA NIFONG threatened to prosecute members of the Lacrosse team as aiders and abetters if they did not come forward with information about the case, Lacrosse team members would not have covered for non Lax team rapists.

You have a very peculiar, non credible way of deciding what is credible.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Getting back to Honey Boo Boo:

The only way you could have known about how to generate a Honey Boo Boo nicknane, since you do not have cable, is to have accessed her facebook page.

How much time at the library do you spend accessing her facebook page?

Anonymous said...

frankly, I could care less what Kenny from god knows where thinks about the LAX fraud. Who gives a rip! Kenny has been caught in so many inconsistent statements, silly circular arguments and pointless little-girl rantings.....it's embarrassing for him and his guru, harr. again, who gives a rip what this troll thinks? You can sing "Oh, Canada" till your tonsils melt, as far as I'm concerned. While you are at it, read up on your government's role in fostering genocide of Native peoples, well into the 1900s......

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Let's hear you again explain why there were no findings consistent with rape, from forensic testing of the rape kit or from the physical exam.

Let's do it, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

Ken:

I will determine whether your statements and/or arguments are credible.

Another example of an argument that is not credible: the failure to obtain evidence is not proof of your position.

Do you accept the original challenge?

Anonymous said...

Glad to hear from Kenny that the bail money for Mangum is almost raised. According to sidney, if she gets out of jail, then the prosecutor does not have their big gun to force her into accepting a plea deal. (total bull, of course, but one always wants to give sidney his due). anyway, if mangum gets out on bail, I assume sidney and the j4n club members will hold regular meetings with her to help her fire Vann and to begin her preparations for being her own lawyer. we should also expect she will come on this site, LIVE, with her own sub-flub, to show us all the sheer hour of terror pictures, the hair clumps with her roots, etc. In fact, I think sidney should give her temporary ownerhsip of this site, so that Mangum's Mauling by Murderous Monster Daye can be fully explained, in person, by Crystal. How about it, sidney, is kenny correct? Is Mangum gonna get sprung soon? Are you going to become her "legal layperson" and first-chair assist when she represents herself? Are you willing to let her speak for herself and correspond with all of us evil oppressor jihadists? Hosanna, that, folks would sell some tickets and make the j4n flop wildly popular!

Anonymous said...

Given that Nifong himself has flat out stated that he has no plans for nor interest in getting a license to practice law in NC, perhaps he would consent to being mangum's "legal layperson" as well. he could talk about how he thinks "something happened that night" and how poor Mangum (and he) continue to be victims of the Evans jihad...........she could use the conspiracy in her defense and point out how Vann, Shella and Jones are all in the tank.....and how Cline overcharged in the first place....... uh, no, well, talking about Cline might be embarrassing to Nifong.

Anonymous said...

Why does SIDNEY HARR want to keep Crystal out of the court room?

Does Crystal have something on SIDNEY which he does not want to make public?

I do not know.

But that is a more credible explanation of SIDNEY's behavior than the explanation KENHYDERAL has given as to why a Duke Lacrosse player, who witnessed the rape of Crystal at the Lacrosse party, would not go to the police with his information.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Have you gotten to the Library yet. If so, why have you not posted. Is it because you are checking out the Honey Boo Boo facebook page?

Glass Houses, SIDNEY

Anonymous said...

It was be a disaster if mangum tried to represent herself in a courtroom. I cannot imagine anything worse....for her. The woman is obviously messed up....and, god knows, if her educational background and writing skills are typical of that nonsense "she" wrote in those hand-done motions, the poor woman is barely out of the 8th grade. We all know how she came to get a degree from NCCU.....and we all know how much it's worth. Would a judge let this happen? I assume so because there have been many true crackpots who insisted on defending themselves.
But.....one can also argue that mangum, supposedly a college graduate, is big enough, old enough and smart enough to make her own choices....and if she decides to play lawyer, it's HER OWN FAULT.

Anonymous said...

The stupidity of saying that "enablers are being throttled by a statwide regieme"....the conspiracy bunch, I assume........is just mind boggling. sidney is saying that the ACLU, the NAACP, the entire media, the governor, every attorney, every judge, the entire religious community.......in fact, pretty much, the WORLD is being controlled by her roy highness, grand dragonness, rae evans and the jihad......all for the purpose of screwing Mangum. right, sidney! wow, bud, even for you, that's dangerously close to serious mental illness on your part.

Anonymous said...

so, sidney, has mangum fired vann? where are the famous photos that show her all beaten up? where is the lab analysis of the hair clumps that have her roots attached? where is the roberts report that validates your theory? where is all this discovery evidence that is going to set mangum free? if mangum is going to can Vann, why has she waited to do so? why haven't you and your club members gotten her an attorney paid by you, who you trust?

Anonymous said...

If Mangum is innocent, then she should not accept a plea deal of any kind. she should hold out, sit in jail, fire vann, defend herself and win....and the basis of truth, justice and fair play. as nifong himself said, if she (the boys) are innocent, they have nothing to fear! so, all crystal has to do is tell the truth and the truth will set her free. bro says so!!!

Anonymous said...

perhaps harr is the ultimate satirist.....or is it saytr?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
In a word... yes. My upcoming flog will bring enlightenment about the specifics. It should be posted in a day or two."

You show again you are a deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniac.

What kind of helium are you inhaling that gives you such an inflated opinion of yourself?


My opinion of myself isn't inflated... just realistic.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
If Mangum is innocent, then she should not accept a plea deal of any kind. she should hold out, sit in jail, fire vann, defend herself and win....and the basis of truth, justice and fair play. as nifong himself said, if she (the boys) are innocent, they have nothing to fear! so, all crystal has to do is tell the truth and the truth will set her free. bro says so!!!


You're right on the money. You get a gold star.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
The stupidity of saying that "enablers are being throttled by a statwide regieme"....the conspiracy bunch, I assume........is just mind boggling. sidney is saying that the ACLU, the NAACP, the entire media, the governor, every attorney, every judge, the entire religious community.......in fact, pretty much, the WORLD is being controlled by her roy highness, grand dragonness, rae evans and the jihad......all for the purpose of screwing Mangum. right, sidney! wow, bud, even for you, that's dangerously close to serious mental illness on your part.


Did you hack into my computer (even though I don't have internet at home) and see the flog that I've been working on. You're right on target. It's just about finished, and I will hopefully get it posted by Wednesday evening... if not, early Thursday morning.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
My opinion of myself isn't inflated... just realistic."

According to whose reality. You have claimed your J4N gang would force the North Carolina Bar to restore DA NIFONG's license. That hasn't happened.

You claimed you would prevail against Duke University. Your frivolous lawsuit was thrown out of court.

You are a deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniac.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Did you hack into my computer (even though I don't have internet at home) and see the flog that I've been working on. You're right on target. It's just about finished, and I will hopefully get it posted by Wednesday evening... if not, early Thursday morning."

If that is what your flub is going to say, then by it you will show yet again you are a deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniac.

Personally, I think you are spending much of your computer time on your fascination with Honey Boo Boo.

Anonymous said...

Lord, if my sarcastic comment about Mangum and the evil white opressor conspiracy turns out to be sid's vision, then I hope he gets some counseling help soon. this flub used to be funny....now it is just sad....

Anonymous said...

I suspect we are about to get treated into another installment of As Mangum's stomach turns". or, how Rae Evans controls the world. Same song, gazillioneth verse. I only hope is that the word count trends downward. otherwise, sidney, you are gonna get TL;DR....
and, for goodness sake, try to find some new material, bro.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:16 said: "Do you accept the original challenge"...... With you as a competitor and also as the judge?

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "You still haven't told us how Canada compensated all these women"..................... By court ordered cash compensation.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @3:12 AM wrote: Now you say Kilgo documented on this blog that two members of the Lacrosse team participated in a sexual assault against Crystal which was separate from the gang rape. That should have said to you that Kilgo can't keep his stories straight and is a liar(his motive being that he wants to convince racists like you that he knows something about the Lacrosse case)........... No, I said, what Kilgo charged is documented in his posts. He actually felt confident enough, without revealling the name of his source, to name the two Players which he was told were participants in some of the crimes committed.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:42 said: "You seem to be changing your story. You originally said that Kilgo told you that a Lacrosse player told him that a rape did occur but the perpetrators were non Lax players who attended the party. Now you are saying Kilgo told you that two Lacrosse players participated in a sexual assault"..............
Yes, a sexual assault as opposed to a semen depositing rape. That crime was perpetrated by non-Player attendees. And, these unidentified persons were certainly not present in the photo line-up which Crystal was told contained her attackers

Anonymous said...

Ken: With you as a competitor and also as the judge.

Why do you view me as a competitor?

I will ask questions. You will answer them. I will judge whether your answers are intellectually honest.

In all fairness, you have proposed a theory, but have done nothing to convince readers of its validity. When readers have asked questions, pointing out apparent weaknesses in your theory, you have ignored the criticism, relied on half-truths and innuendo, claimed a lack of evidence as proof and been otherwise disingenuous.

I am trying to motivate you to participate in an intellectually honest discussion.

I can understand if you do not wish to participate, fearing that your answers have been prejudged as insufficient. I suspect that you cannot discuss your theory honestly.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Yes, a sexual assault as opposed to a semen depositing rape. That crime was perpetrated by non-Player attendees. And, these unidentified persons were certainly not present in the photo line-up which Crystal was told contained her attackers".

You are changing the story again. First you said that Kilgo identified a Lacrosse player who witnessed a rape of Crystal by non Lax players who had attended the party.

Next you say Kilgo identified two Lacrosse players who perpetrated a sexual assault on Crystal and that three non Lax party attendees perpetrated a rape.

Now you are saying that the non Lax party attendees perpetrated a non semen depositing sexual assault on Crystal. This third scenario begs the question how a Lacrosse team member would be showing solidarity with the team by not revealing to police that the perpetrators were not Lacrosse players.

This third scenario is inconsistent with Crystal's description at DUMC ER that she was penetrated and ejaculated upon by multiple assailants who did not use condoms. The police affidavit alleged that a semen depositing rape was committed.

You are making up your stories as we go along, showing you know nothing about the case. Since Crystal is your source, that is not surprising.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Why do you view me as a competitor".............. We have two competing points of view about The Duke LaCrosse Case. The burden of proof, though, is on me to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt was not forthcoming, due to a completely botched police investigation; now too late to correct. Unless, that is, the wall of silence can be breached. The ongoing lawsuits are dependent on any new evidence be discredited.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Proof beyond a reasonable doubt was not forthcoming, due to a completely botched police investigation; now too late to correct. Unless, that is, the wall of silence can be breached."

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt never existed. Crystal alleged brutal beating and a semen depositing rape. Forensic exam of the rape kit showed definitively no semen depositing rape ever occurred. Physical exam showed nothing diagnostic of either a severe beating or a semen depositing rape.

There were no unidentified attendees at the Lacrosse party.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

What wall of silence?

DA NIFONG threatened to prosecute Lacrosse players who did not come forth with information about the case. They did come forward with information about the case, that the rape did not occur. DA NIFONG made this threat because that was not the information he wanted.

That no Lacrosse player came forth in the face of that threat suggests nothing other than that there was no incriminating information with which they could come forth.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The ongoing lawsuits are dependent on any new evidence be discredited."

Do you mean there is new evidence forthcoming of the Lacrosse players' guilt which they have to discredit.

That brings up the question where is this evidence. From Kilgo's Lacrosse player friend? He does not exist.

From you? Hardly. If you ever presented your non credible hypothesis in court, the court would probably order a competency hearing on you.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

What findings did Dr. Julie Manly observe on physical examination of Crystal.

Hint:

http://www.examiner.com/article/louisville-s-dr-julie-manly-tries-to-save-hospital-haiti

Anonymous said...

Ken:

I am sorry that you do not care to have an intellectually honest conversation.

Perhaps Sidney can tell Crystal that Ken Edwards, her good Canadian friend from Dubai, turned down a possible $20,000 pledge to help her make bail.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:08 said: " Now you are saying that the non Lax party attendees perpetrated a non semen depositing sexual assault on Crystal"....................... Stop obfusticating. You know what I mean. Here's my take on what happened, based on what I have been told by Crystal and by Kilgo. The assault on Crystal involved both Players and non-Players. The semen depositing rape was perpetrated by non-Players. At least two Players were also involved. The negative test for semen is not relevant since DNA extracted from sperm was detected. If sperm was found, semen by definition, as the vehicle for sperm, had to have been deposited regardless of the negative test results. Deposition of DNA can not be timed. Crystal gave her sexual history and it did not explain all the DNA that was found present. The defence cried promiscuity. No effort was made by the Police to identify the DNA once they got no match from the Players. Records from the Escort Agency were available. The only client proximate to her alleged rape refused to give his DNA but denied any sexual encounter with Crystal. No subpoena was issued. The DNA found was not submitted to the data bases and most likely it has not been retained.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: " I will ask questions. You will answer them. I will judge whether your answers are intellectually honest" ........ We all know how thay would go. You would ask 20 questions. I would give my response and you would declare my answers to be non-credible. Everbody here knows you would never donate $20,000.00 towards Crystal. And you are too frightened to let an independent and qualified person judge the credibility my answers to questions you pose. As I have said, the non-refundable 10% is close to being realized. An American property owner, though, has to be prepared to put up the collateral for the remaining 90% I don't know if any of her J4N colleagues could or would do that.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:11 said: There were no unidentified attendees at the Lacrosse party".......... I say there was and you can not prove there was not. Of course, at present, the burden of proof for that lies with me. I submit that the Players know better. Hopefully those of good conscience will at some point come forward and tell what they know.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"You know what I mean. Here's my take on what happened, based on what I have been told by Crystal and by Kilgo."

In other words, your take on what happened is based on totally unreliable sources.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The negative test for semen is not relevant since DNA extracted from sperm was detected."

That sperm were deposited on Crystal is not in doubt. The relevant issue is when the sperm were deposited. The forensic testing of the rape kit definitively establishes that the sperm were not deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006 and is relevant(except to a blatant unrepentant guilt presuming racist who feels inferior to Caucasian males who are more accomplished than he is).

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Deposition of DNA can not be timed."

Exactly. However you are claiming that the DNA found on Crystal was deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006. You are saying in Crystal's case the timing of DNA deposition can be determined.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Crystal gave her sexual history and it did not explain all the DNA that was found present. The defence cried promiscuity."

All that means is that Crystal did not give her complete sexual history. What tagged her as promiscuous is the finding of DNA from multiple males on her person. The relevant issue is, none of it came from those accused(falsely) of raping her.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"No effort was made by the Police to identify the DNA once they got no match from the Players."

That was because the Police and corrupt DA NIFONG were determined to pin the non existent crime on members of the Lacrosse team.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

" Everbody here knows you would never donate $20,000.00 towards Crystal".

So? Neither will you or SIDNEY or any of the J4N gang.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I say there was and you can not prove there was not."

He who asserts must prove.
"Of course, at present, the burden of proof for that lies with me."

At least you got that right.

"I submit that the Players know better. Hopefully those of good conscience will at some point come forward and tell what they know."

In other words you have no proof that there were any non lax players attending the party and you have no proof that Crystal was raped at the party. Kilgo's hearsay testimony is proof of nothing.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Crystal gave her sexual history and it did not explain all the DNA that was found present."

It did clear all the suspects in the non existent crime of committing the non existent crime. The failure to find semen on the rape kit proves the crime described by Crystal did not happen.

The problem is that you are a blatant, unrepentant racist who has inferiority feelings towards Caucasian men who are more accomplished than you are, so you presume guilt.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"If sperm was found, semen by definition, as the vehicle for sperm, had to have been deposited regardless of the negative test results."

If you tried to present that as new evidence that Crystal was raped, the court would find that testimony totally non credible.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Stop obfusticating. You know what I mean."

What it means is you can't keep your stories straight and are probably obfuscating.

Anonymous said...

Back to reality: Mangum is in jail. Vann is her attorney. No trial date has been set. There is no confirmed information about any plea deal. There is no confirmed information about any evidence that has not already been in the public media. There is no confirmed information about anybody being in any conspiracy.
Everything else here from Harr and the wingnut klan is pure speculation, imagination, and bull hockey.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Escort Agency were available. The only client proximate to her alleged rape refused to give his DNA but denied any sexual encounter with Crystal. No subpoena was issued".

So you are admitting that Crystal was a prostitute.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"No effort was made by the Police to identify the DNA once they got no match from the Players."

The reason for that is that DA NIFONG, who was controlling the police investigation, did not want it known that male DNA was recovered from Crystal which did not match the DNA of those he had indicted.

If a rape is alleged, if DNA is found on the alleged victim which matches males who are not the suspects, that is evidence the suspects did not perpetrate the alleged rape. DA NIFONG wanted to convict Lacrosse players of the alleged rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The DNA found was not submitted to the data bases and most likely it has not been retained."

Again, the obvious answer(except to a blatant unrepentant guilt presuming rapist) is that DA NIFONG was determined to convict Lacrosse players of the crime and did not want it known that DNA was found on Crystal which did not match the DNA of the Lacrosse players he had indicted.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Correction:

"The DNA found was not submitted to the data bases and most likely it has not been retained."

Again, the obvious answer(except to a blatant unrepentant guilt presuming racist) is that DA NIFONG was determined to convict Lacrosse players of the crime and did not want it known that DNA was found on Crystal which did not match the DNA of the Lacrosse players he had indicted.

I apologize for the unintentional use of the word "rapist'.

Maybe you should consider that DA NIFONG intentionally wrongfully accused innocent Caucasian men of being rapists.

You might understand why I take the part of the Lacrosse players instead of that of a blatant unrepentant guilt presuming racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

An addendum to my corrected comment:

Crystal also falsely accused innocent men of rape. Understand that and you might understand why most people do not take her part in the Duke rape case.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

When you finish with Honey Boo Boo on your next trip to the library, maybe you could read my immediately preceding comment.

People do not support Crystal in the Duke rape case because it is obvious and documented she falsely accused three innocent men of rape. That was not the product of your non existent carpetbagger jihad.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I submit that the Players know better. Hopefully those of good conscience will at some point come forward and tell what they know."

In the unlikely event that a Lacrosse player comes forth and says he witnessed the rape of Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006, that would say he was not a person of good conscience.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Let me put this to you in a different way;

You say:

"The negative test for semen is not relevant since DNA extracted from sperm was detected. If sperm was found, semen by definition, as the vehicle for sperm, had to have been deposited regardless of the negative test results."

Then later you said:

"Deposition of DNA can not be timed."

So give a credible explanation(something you have not yet done for any of your beliefs) how the presence of male DNA on Crystal's rape kit establishes it was deposited on the night of 13/14 March of 2006.

Because Crystal said it was? That is an allegation, not proof. Crystal has been shown to be an unreliable witness.

Because Kilgo said it happened. Kilgo's statements are hearsay, and you have no hard evidence that anyone told Kilgo any such thing. You believe it because it meshes with what Crystal told you.

Now you are going to say you are not obfuscating. Whether or not your are is irrelevant. What is apparent, even if you do not like it, is that you are a blatant, unrepentant, guilt presuming racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You have claimed that there is a 48 hour window during which the recovered DNA could have been deposited. Actually it can be as long as a 7 day window.

Even if the 48 hour window was valid, it does not establish that the sperm were deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

It is obvious that the sperm were not deposited after Crystal left the party.

The sperm could have been deposited as early as the night of 11/12 March 2006.

In any event the failure to find semen on the rape kit establishes that the sperm were not deposited on the night of 13/14 March.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"An American property owner, though, has to be prepared to put up the collateral for the remaining 90% I don't know if any of her J4N colleagues could or would do that(put up their property to secure Crystal's release on bail)."

If SIDNEY's J4N colleagues could but would not, that would be an admission on your part that even SIDNEY's J4N colleagues do not believe in Crystal.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"That [alleged] crime was perpetrated by non-Player attendees. And, these unidentified persons were certainly not present in the photo line-up which Crystal was told contained her attackers".

That was because those unidentified persons do not exist. Forensic testing of the rape kit definitively showed that Crystal was not raped. The physical exam, performed by Doctor Julie Manly did not yield evidence of the rape Crystal alleged(go to that link I gave you earlier).

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Here is the link:

http://www.examiner.com/article/louisville-s-dr-julie-manly-tries-to-save-hospital-haiti

I published it on my post of October 2, 2012 5:22 PM

Anonymous said...

Kenny, the FACT is that there is not ONE single shred, one tiny particle, of evidence that mangum was raped, assaulted, or even given a wet willie. You can continue to speculate all you want....who gives a damn. in THIS country, he or she who asserts must prove......and we all know why you persist in your little girl hissy rants...... so go right ahead and continue with your racist dribble. It must just really piss you and Bro off that the mean evil rich spoiled nasty white boys didn't turn out to be the villans. And it must be embarrassing as hell to know that the innocent mother of three was and is a liar.

Anonymous said...

Questions left ignored.....
1. first they didn't use condoms, then they did...convenient change of story to fit the evidence. explain, bro.
2. no lax DNA....five other guys in and on her. FIVE! not a pro, sid?
3. was 20, then 16, then 9, then 6 then 3 guys who raped her? was she held suspended in the air? did Reade S. rape her while he was at an ATM?
4. why did she tell her dance partner to beat her up, put marks on her, deliberately, to get money from the white boys?
5. why did Nifong lie? (don't bother to answer; we already know....)
6. no photos showing beatings from daye.....where are the mystery photos YOU say exist? prove it...
......just six questions, to start with...........been asking same questions over and over......and all we get is your same old bullcrap avoidance....

Anonymous said...

I heard a rumor that Houston Baker (he of the email to a LAX mother, saying that she had given birth to a farm animal, and, he of the remark made at another college where he called two black students "black bitches").....has gotten himself in the soup again....for referring to white students in his courses as stupid scum. Nice fellow....
he and the SELF named "thugniggaintellectual" are cut of the same cloth......but, of course, Kenny, there is no such thing as reverse racism.

Anonymous said...

I guess sidney is tired of honey boo boo. He must be watching jefferson re-runs....or, perhaps, the beverly hillbillies.....since his tastes seem to run to cornball humor.

Anonymous said...

More fun from NCCU:
Ontario Wooden, a Dean at NCCU, has been arrested and charged with assault. He is supposed to have grabbed a woman's arm and pushed her causing minor injuries. He's out on 2K bail. Dean Wooden is black. Well, Sidney, gonna tell us now that Wooden's bail is too low or what? Did Durham, the home of Sidney's evil white oppressor conspiracy give a break to a black man? It's not clear whether Wooden has any priors. By the way, can we (like Sidney) now say FOREVER that Wooden has a history of being violent toward women as documented by this assault. Can we say this, EVEN if the charge gets dropped or he is found innocent? Huh, bro.....???

Anonymous said...


Anonymous

"Anonymous said...

I guess sidney is tired of honey boo boo. He must be watching jefferson re-runs....or, perhaps, the beverly hillbillies.....since his tastes seem to run to cornball humor.

October 3, 2012 11:26 AM".

Maybe SIDNEY has stopped using his Perry Mason DVDs as coasters and is watching them>

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @6:07 said: "So you are admitting that Crystal was a prostitute" ............. Crystal worked as an escort and a model. She is not, was not and never will be a prostitute. There is no evidence anywhere that Crystal engaged in prostitution. The Duke LaX defense team took full advantage of her type of employment to spread this lie about her hoping to discredit her charge of being raped.

Anonymous said...

Oh I see. Having FIVE male samples in and on her, simulating sex with another woman using a vibrator on yourself, going to client rooms in motels, wiggling on a man's lap with your body in his face........sleeping with Daye and walker and god knows who,else in between.........but no, not a prostitute. Sure thing, Kenny. And you're not a racist. Right

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:32 said: " So give a credible explanation(something you have not yet done for any of your beliefs) how the presence of male DNA on Crystal's rape kit establishes it was deposited on the night of 13/14 March of 2006"........It did not establish that it was but it also did not establish that it was not. This, therefore, required an investigation, by elimination, of when and where it was deposited. The burden for this lay with the Police and the DA

Anonymous said...

Hey Kenny the lab reports about multiple male samplers......at least five......none from the lax guys.......don't lie. What exactly do you think a prostitute is. In NC it is sexual intercourse for money......by law. I guess having four or five male deposits in and on you just means you like sex with guys.....ALOT. Since nobody ever went after sister and charged her with hooking, she is not technically a prostitute. She just likes to give it away and gets paid to pole vault

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:36 AM said said: So? Neither will you or SIDNEY or any of the J4N gang"................ I have made a substantial contribution towards Crystal's bail deposit. The money I donated is being held In Trust by a Raleigh Lawyer, Mark Simeon. In response to doubt that I had done this by a previous anonymous poster I sent Dr. Harr a scanned copy of the draft and it's acknowledgement and asked he confirm this on the blog. He has not done so but perhaps now that he has confirmed Malek Williams and I are differnt posters he can also confirm that I have donated towards my friend Crystal's bail

KHF Supporter said...

Ken:

Your mystery rapist theory is an interesting and innovative explanation for the unmatched male DNA found in and on Crystal. It avoids having to conclude that Crystal's admitted sexual history was inaccurate and incomplete.

The decision to invoke Kilgo as your source was clever. No one can question the credibility of a source who chooses a pseudonym after a former Duke president. He must have Duke links!

You propose 3 mystery non-player rapists, who ejaculated in and on Crystal, depositing their DNA. These mystery rapists were assisted by 2 players, who committed a number of crimes, including sexual assault, but did not ejaculate. The mystery rapists explain the unmatched DNA.

However, the unmatched DNA came from at least 5 different male sources. As a result, your theory only explains some of the unmatched DNA. One must continue to question whether Crystal's admitted sexual history is complete.

There is an easy solution to this problem. Simply conclude that the mystery player who confessed to Kilgo was not accurate. There are 5 mystery rapists, not 3. In this way, all of the unmatched DNA is explained, and you can continue to assert that Crystal's admitted sexual history was complete.

This change does not affect Crystal's credibility.

You have hypothesized that she was impaired by a date rape drug for which the inept DPD ran no tests. She was unable to remember details, but her general accusation--without details--remains accurate. The innacuracy is entirely the fault of the mystery player and not Crystal.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 4:19pm:

Do not forget the allegations in recent newspaper stories that Crystal wanted to contribute to rent and living expenses with money that male friends had given her. Daye allegedly did not want to accept those gifts.

Anonymous said...

Indeed, KHF Supporter, Kenhyderal's hypothesis of Crystal Mangum's rape shows great intelligence. In this regard, he is very much like my Filipino friend, Gib Elohssa.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Harr has shown that he, too, embodies the character of my Filipino friend, Gib Elohssa.

kenhyderal said...

What other claim to fame does your friend of "great intelligence", who you compare to myself and the good Dr. Harr, have?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:48 PM said: "The decision to invoke Kilgo as your source was clever. No one can question the credibility of a source who chooses a pseudonym after a former Duke president. He must have Duke links".............. From what I have learned Kilgo was a regular poster on this blog, long before I came upon the scene. I found his posts too often to be crude and obnoxious but his assertions certainly coincided with what Crystal told me had happened to her. It was my understanding, in 2006, that he was a student at Duke University and a close friend of this Player,
who confided in him about the events of that night. Out of loyalty to that friend and having been sworn to silence by him, he has not made his name or that of the Player public. My personal contact with him came when he made a contribution to helping out with a donation for Crystal's children while she was in gaol awaiting trial on the arson charge. I'm not sure why he dropped out of sight or left this blog but I speculate it has to do with his Player friend's unhappiness with the things he was revealing and the possible negative effect these revelations could have on the civil suits.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:19 said: "Do not forget the allegations in recent newspaper stories that Crystal wanted to contribute to rent and living expenses with money that male friends had given her" ...... This refers to money I, as a friend, sent her in March of 2011

Anonymous said...

dKENHYDERAL:

" Crystal worked as an escort and a model. She is not, was not and never will be a prostitute"

Your comment about the records of the escort services were records of the men she had sex with. Why would the escort services have records of the men she had sex with if she were not a prostitute?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"It did not establish that it was but it also did not establish that it was not. This, therefore, required an investigation, by elimination, of when and where it was deposited. The burden for this lay with the Police and the DA ".

First, whether or not you like it, the failure to find semen on the rape kit definitively ruled out that the DNA was deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006. You reject that evidence because it does not fit with your presumption of guilt.

Second, the police investigation, which was led by corrupt DA NIFONG was directed at wrongfully convicting the innocent Caucasian Lacrosse players of convicting Crystal. Corrupt DA NIFONG was not interested in revealing to the world that the only DNA recovered from Crystal did not match the DNA of the people he wanted to convict.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I have made a substantial contribution towards Crystal's bail deposit."

So why don't you tell us how substantial your contribution is?

You remind me of Kilgo, who would brag he knew more about the Lacrosse case than anyone alive but then would run and hide whenever challenged to reveal what he knew.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"...[SIDNEY HARR] has confirmed Malek Williams and I are differnt posters".

SIDNEY HARR is less credible than either you or Kilgo.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Correction:

"It did not establish that it was but it also did not establish that it was not. This, therefore, required an investigation, by elimination, of when and where it was deposited. The burden for this lay with the Police and the DA ".

First, whether or not you like it, the failure to find semen on the rape kit definitively ruled out that the DNA was deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006. You reject that evidence because it does not fit with your presumption of guilt.

Second, the police investigation, which was led by corrupt DA NIFONG was directed at wrongfully convicting the innocent Caucasian Lacrosse players of raping Crystal. Corrupt DA NIFONG was not interested in revealing to the world that the only DNA recovered from Crystal did not match the DNA of the people he wanted to convict.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"From what I have learned Kilgo was a regular poster on this blog, long before I came upon the scene. I found his posts too often to be crude and obnoxious but his assertions certainly coincided with what Crystal told me had happened to her. It was my understanding, in 2006, that he was a student at Duke University and a close friend of this Player,".

In other words, you believe Kilgo because he buys into your presumption of guilt of some innocent Caucasian men.

I say again, if you really did follow Kilgo, and if you really did seriously analyze his posts, you would have recognized he never established he knew anything about the Duke phony rape case.

I also say again, your beliefs about the phony Duke rape case are based on information you have received from two non credible sources, Crystal and Kilgo.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"It was my understanding, in 2006, that [Kilgo] was a student at Duke University and a close friend of this Player, who confided in him about the events of that night".

First, you have shown understanding of nothing in the phony Duke Rape case.

Second, you have not offered a credible explanation(not surprising) of why a Duke Lacrosse player, out of team loyalty and solidarity, would not reveal to the police that the perpetrators of the alleged rape were not members of the Duke Lacrosse team.

Finally, once again, you have not come up with a credible, logical explanation of why the rape kit tested negative for semen. Your rant about the police not identifying the men whose DNA was found on Crystal is a dodge, not an explanation.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

" I'm not sure why he dropped out of sight or left this blog but I speculate it has to do with his Player friend's unhappiness with the things he was revealing and the possible negative effect these revelations could have on the civil suits."

Kilgo dropped out of posting on this blog because he exposed himself as a fraud, that he really knew nothing about the Duke phony rape case.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 5:19 said: 'Do not forget the allegations in recent newspaper stories that Crystal wanted to contribute to rent and living expenses with money that male friends had given her' ...... This refers to money I, as a friend, sent her in March of 2011".

The poster said "male friends".

How close a friend were you? How many times did you befriend her? Was she so confused she could not remember you as one male friend?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL

"What other claim to fame does your friend of "great intelligence", who you compare to myself and the good Dr. Harr, have?"

There is no such person as "the GOOD(emphasis added) Dr. Harr"

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"From what I have learned [about] Kilgo" comes from Kilgo himself who revealed himself to know nothing about the phony Duke Rape case.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

With regard to why the DPD did not investigate who contributed the male DNA to Crystal, under oath in open court, Brian Meehan admitted he and DA NIFONG agreed to conceal the information about the male DNA found on Crystal, DNA which did not match the DNA of any of the innocent Caucasian men DA NIFONG had indicted. I repeat(because it takes a bit of effort to drum the truth into you) that DA NIFONG did not want to admit to the public that DNA, which did not match the DNA of the innocent men he had indicted, had been found on Crystal.

As your idol SIDNEY HARR likes to say, go ye and be enlightened.

I am capable of enlightening you. Neither SIDNEY nor Kilgo is capable of that.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

another correction:

With regard to why the DPD did not investigate who contributed the male DNA to Crystal, under oath in open court, Brian Meehan admitted he and DA NIFONG agreed to conceal the information about the ONLY male DNA found on Crystal was DNA which did not match the DNA of any of the innocent Caucasian men DA NIFONG had indicted. I repeat(because it takes a bit of effort to drum the truth into you) that DA NIFONG did not want to admit to the public that the ONLY DNA, which did not match the DNA of the innocent men he had indicted, had been found on Crystal.

As your idol SIDNEY HARR likes to say, go ye and be enlightened.

I am capable of enlightening you. Neither SIDNEY nor Kilgo is capable of that.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

One more this morning on the issue of credibility.

Both prosecution and defense in the phony Duke Lacrosse case agreed that everyone who had attended the party on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

You say that was the result of self serving testimony on the part of the Lacrosse players. That presumes guilt on the part of the Lacrosse players.

Your information that there were unidentified non Lax attendees at the party comes from Kilgo who, I say again, never documented he knew anything about the Lacrosse case.

You believe Kilgo because what he told you agrees with what Crystal told you. I say again, Crystal changed her story each and every time she told it. You are saying basically is that one non credible story agrees with another non credible story.

Meanwhile you still can not explain, a) why forensic testing of the rape kit showed no evidence of semen deposition, and b) why Dr. Julie Manly's exam of Crystal revealed no evidence of a brutal beating or of a rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

One more one more:

"It was my understanding, in 2006, that he was a student at Duke University and a close friend of this Player,
who confided in him about the events of that night. Out of loyalty to that friend and having been sworn to silence by him, he has not made his name or that of the Player public."

You say on the one hand that anonymous unidentified posters are not credible, but the anonymous unidentified Kilgo is credible? Because he says he knows an anonymous Lacrosse player?

HUH!!!

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Kenny has ANY idea at all how utterly ridiculous his "it coudda been" theory of the mystery rapist(s) actually is. OK, so this is how it goes: Mystery guys, protected by the entire LAX team, were at the party.....raped and/or assaulted mangum, did/did not leave semen in or on her, and left magically......out into the night. The entire team shielded these mystery rapists, for a reason unknown, and three men, facing a lifetime in prison, went along with the plan. As did all their attorneys and their parents. And, wonder if wonders, Mangum identified three LAX guys...as her attackers....picked from a tilted lineup of photos. She went along with the protection, too......never saying, "well, geez, mr. policeman....somebody boinked me but it wasn't none of these turkeys". Yep, hundreds of people are protecting the mystery rapists. then , along comes Kilgo....the mystery man, who talks to another mystery man, who says the mystery guys did it!
Yep, Kenny, I gotta hand it to you...that's one helluva tale there, bub. do you write speeches for your Canadian government for a living or what?

Anonymous said...

well, kenny, let's talk about the question of credibility and signing on anon. Given that you sign on with this constructed ID which we all know is fake, and given that your posts routinely contain misrepresentations and outright deceit, we don't think too much of your argument that credibility is determined by whether a person signs on unidentified. As far as I know, Harr and a physician from out of state, are the only people who routinely sign on publicly. And, upon occasion, I think we have all been aware that Harr himself is guilty of making posts that are marked anon. (Breaker, Breaker, this is your good buddy.....)
So, kenny, dubai, canada, Edwards, malek,.......continue your rants about others......just be aware that the crap-o-meter has you pegged. Troll on!!

Lance the Intern said...

"What other claim to fame does your friend of "great intelligence", who you compare to myself and the good Dr. Harr, have?"

Ken -- Someone's messing with you. "Gib Elohssa" is "Big @sshole" spelled backward.

Anonymous said...

souiralih....

Lance the Intern said...

"Are you suggesting that Sidney has been writing a parody all these years? I suspected that he was a master satirist at times, but his off-Internet activities convinced me that he was actually sincere.

This site captures perfectly the conspiracy theories and the inability to reason that characterizes Nifong apologists. Sidney is very believeable in that role.

I accepted his membership in the Committee as a cover for his satire, but his Duke lawsuit convinced me that he actually believed this nonsense. The lawsuit itself risked some sanctions as frivolous, but his ad hominem attacks on the court were over the top. I thought he risked a contempt citation for that display."


I think that Sidney is carrying on in the tradition of Andy Kaufman...I expect his next "Unified Conspiracy Theory" flog to be epically hilarious...

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said : "souiralih...." But not suoiralih

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:38 said: "Given that you sign on with this constructed ID which we all know is fake, and given that your posts routinely contain misrepresentations and outright deceit, we don't think too much of your argument that credibility is determined by whether a person signs on unidentified".............Kenneth D. Edwards

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You still think the anonymous Kilgo is a reliable source of information because he says his information comes from an anonymous Lacrosse player. Why is he credible?

You still have not explained why, in the light of Crystal's description of a DNA depositing rape, the rape kit tested negative for semen.

You still have not explained why Dr. Manly's exam of Crystal did not reveal evidence of rape or evidence of a brutal beating.

Right on KEN-Malek_HYDER-Williams-AL

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