Thursday, October 4, 2012

Durham prosecutors’ conspiracy on a grand scale against Crystal Mangum

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In the North Carolina State Bar’s regulation, under Advocate, is Rule 3.8, “Special responsibilities of a prosecutor.” It states: “The prosecutor in a criminal case shall refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause.”

Further on, in this same document it reads: “A prosecutor has the responsibility of a minister of justice and not simply that of an advocate, the prosecutor’s duty is to seek justice not merely to convict. This responsibility carries with it specific obligations to see that the defendant is accorded procedural justice and that guilt is decided upon the basis of sufficient evidence.”

These flowery idealistic statements can be comforting to civilians living under the North Carolina justice system, however they are not worth a hill of pinto beans if these tenets are not adhered to, and they represent nothing more than show without substance.

The Durham County prosecutors have not only disregarded these codes of professional conduct, but have violated them to the extreme by acting as criminals themselves in framing an innocent person for crimes that she did not commit… all as payback for a perceived slight against three Duke Lacrosse student/athlete/partygoers in 2006.

Not only that, but the prosecutors are attempting to place this innocent person and single mother of three, Crystal Gail Mangum, in prison for life without the possibility of parole. The harshness of the retribution sought is not only due to the fact that she accused three lacrosse players from families of wealth, power, and prestige, but because she is an African American.

The reason the Durham prosecutors feel at ease bringing such baseless charges to bear against Ms. Mangum is due to the fact they feel that they can count on the cooperation from various other sectors in depriving Mangum of justice and her liberty.

Prosecutors, in seeking a sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole against Crystal Mangum heavily relied on the following four conspiratorial consorts: (1) the medical examiner; (2) the defense attorney; (3) the mainstream media; and (4) the enablers.

The main objective of the Durham prosecutors and their conspirators was to keep the truth about the bogus charges against Ms. Mangum hidden from Durhamians, Tar Heelians, and all Americans. Secreting the true realities from the public allows the injustices to take root and grow. The conspiracy’s purpose is to hide from the people the prosecutors’ crimes being committed against Crystal Mangum.

It is the truth that will set Crystal Mangum free… and that is why the Durham prosecutors and their allies are doing their best to conceal, confuse, mislead, and cover-up the events concerning their malicious prosecution. If Americans knew the truth and extent of the flagrant injustices against Ms. Mangum, they would be enraged and in an uproar to demand swift rectification.

BACKDROP: THE 2006 DUKE LACROSSE CASE AND THE 2010 ARSON CASE

In early 2006, Crystal Mangum, a North Carolina Central University student and mother of two, was making ends meet and supporting her family by working for an escort service and performing as an exotic dancer.

In early 2006, the Duke University lacrosse team had a well-deserved reputation for being obnoxious, irreverent, boisterous, and basically out of control. Nearly a third of the team had a run-in with the law, usually misdemeanor alcohol-related offenses including disorderly conduct, under-aged drinking, driving with open alcoholic containers, and urinating in public. The team’s coach, Mike Pressler, had even been ordered by Duke University President Richard Brodhead to rein in his players.

On March 13, 2006, the Duke Lacrosse team hosted one of its notorious beer-guzzling parties at a rental house on Buchanan Street. The entertainment was to consist of two strippers, for which one of the team members made arrangements. He misled the escort service by using a false name and claiming he wanted the dancers for a small bachelor party of four or five… not for the Duke lacrosse team and their invitees which would number fifty or more.

For reasons unknown, the escort service assigned two African American females for the gig, despite the specific request for Caucasian dancers. One of the dancers was Crystal Mangum.

Misinformation about the number of guests at the event resulted in no body guards being scheduled to accompany the dancers.

Once the two dancers began to perform, the raucous partygoers started shouting degrading and dehumanizing comments, and making obscene gestures. This prompted the scheduled two hour performance to be reduced to several minutes after the dancers abruptly quit because of the unwarranted and humiliating reception. They hurriedly retreated to the bathroom for temporary sanctuary… and what transpired from that point on until a police report was taken hours later, which included accusations of sexual assault by Mangum, is in dispute.

What is not in dispute regarding the party is that there was under-aged drinking involved, and that some of the partygoers shouted the “N-word” epithet at the two African American women.

Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong prosecuted the case against three suspected Duke lacrosse players identified by Mangum as being the ones who sexually assaulted her. These young men came from well-heeled families, were bailed out and never spent a day in jail, and their high-powered defense teams put up a rigorous defense, which included frequent press conferences wherein evidence and information was released to the media.

Not long after the prosecution into the case was launched, the State Bar began its own investigation into D.A. Nifong about questionable prejudicial statements he may have made before the media. A complaint filed by the Bar itself against Nifong forced him to step down as prosecutor before a trial date had even been set.

The prosecution’s case was turned over to the North Carolina Attorney General’s Office and it began its own review. After several month of investigation by the Attorney General’s Office, the attorney general, Roy Cooper, was prepared to make its intentions known as to what course it would take.

Before his announcement, two of his assistant attorney generals, James J. Coman and Mary Winstead, met with Brad Bannon, a defense attorney with the prestigious Joseph B. Cheshire law firm… which represented one of the Duke Lacrosse defendants. During this meeting, Mr. Bannon impressed upon the assistant A.G.s the importance of the attorney general to specifically pronounce the defendants to be “innocent” and to claim that “nothing happened.”

On April 11, 2007, Attorney General Cooper made a promulgation during which he dismissed all criminal charges against the Duke Lacrosse defendants and stopped all criminal investigation into charges related to the party. But, he made the unprecedented move of proclaiming that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were “innocent,” that “nothing happened,” and that Ms. Mangum had made false and unreliable allegations.

Mr. Cooper added that the charges would not be brought against Ms. Mangum for falsely reporting a crime because he believed that she was mentally ill or had mental problems.

Subsequent to the Attorney General’s statement, Mike Nifong was forced from his elected position as Durham district attorney and he was later disbarred, making him the first prosecutor to be disbarred by the North Carolina State Bar since its inception in 1933. He was also sentenced to 24 hours in jail for contempt of court by Judge Osmond Smith III, and A.G. Cooper unsuccessfully sought to have the U.S. Department of Justice criminally investigate Mr. Nifong for depriving the three Duke Lacrosse defendants of their civil rights.

The mainstream media lionized the three defendants and celebrated their proclamations of innocence by the attorney general… all stories related to the Duke Lacrosse case or its participants including the mention that the boys were declared “innocent.” What the media fails to mention is that the proclamation of innocent by the attorney general is irrelevant and meaningless as Roy Cooper is a member of the executive branch and not judicial.

In addition, the Duke Lacrosse defendants and their attorneys were able to shake down Duke University for $20 million for each defendant without a fight. Their attempts to finagle the cash-strapped city of Durham out of $10 million each has met with some unexpected resistance. The greed-driven legal battle goes on as the media continues to coddle these young men who never spent a single day in jail, graduated from college, and have moved on with their lives.

The media’s treatment of Crystal Mangum was similar to that given to Mr. Nifong… she was vilified and demonized… labeled as the false accuser.

Over the ensuing years a culture had evolved in the Triangle Area and throughout the state that was hostile and unsympathetic towards Nifong, Mangum, their supporters, and others considered by the Powers-That-Be to be on the wrong end of the Duke Lacrosse case. Amidst this toxic environment, Crystal Mangum tried to move forward with her life, graduating from NC Central University in Durham, and enrolling in its graduate program. A single mother of three in 2010, she was employed, lived in an apartment with her children, helped care for her parents, and was independent.

Then, on February 17, 2010, the city of Durham, which had been targeting Mangum for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case, got its break when the city police received a 9-1-1 call from Crystal’s children. Earlier that evening, Ms. Mangum’s ex-boyfriend repeatedly punched her in the face in response to a disparaging remark she made about him. She retreated and fought back in self-defense as her children, fearing for her well-being and life, made the emergency call.

To summarize the outcome, Ms. Mangum was arrested under a slew of unsubstantiated charges including attempted murder, communicating threats, assault and battery, and identity theft, while her ex-boyfriend was neither charged nor arrested.

Ms. Mangum was held under an unreasonably high bail in the six figures, and after languishing in jail for three months, she was released from the detention center but placed under house arrest when a bail bondsman unexpectedly satisfied the $100,000 bond.

With their prize defendant no longer being held in jail, the prosecution moved forward with the trial against Mangum who was represented by a featherweight defense. She was convicted on three piddly misdemeanor charges and sentenced to time served. The jury deadlocked on the most serious felony arson charge, and Durham prosecutors decided not to retry her on it.

2011 VENDETTA PROSECUTION AGAINST CRYSTAL MANGUM

That the Durham prosecutors were not through with Crystal Mangum became plainly evident a year later. On April 3, 2011, in the early morning hours, Crystal Mangum and Reginald Daye, the man with whom she and her children shared his apartment, were embroiled in an argument fomented by his jealousy over the attention she had just given to a police officer acquaintance.

Inside his apartment over approximately the next hour, a highly intoxicated Mr. Daye intermittently punched Crystal Mangum in the face and head approximately ten times. He spit on her, he pulled out her hair, and when she sought refuge in a locked bathroom, he proceeded to kick in the door to get at her. He brought into the bedroom, where the assault was centered, steak knives from the kitchen and proceeded to throw them at her.

Daye was straddling her with his hands around her neck strangling her when she picked up a knife that was lying nearby and stabbed him once in the left torso. Once wounded, Daye got up from atop Mangum. She grabbed her purse and fled from the apartment with Daye quickly giving up pursuit.

Crystal Mangum went to Ms. Liddy Howard’s apartment in a nearby housing complex. A friend, Ms. Howard watched Crystal’s children at times, and she allowed her to get some rest until daybreak.

Hours later, police arrived and without investigative questioning of her, she was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon with the intent to kill inflicting serious injury. Then she was told that anything she said could be used against her, so she declined to give an interview.

Despite physical evidence that Ms. Mangum had been beaten – with swelling to the lower lip, a small laceration around he left eye, a lesion to the back of her left hand, and clumps of her hair deposited at two sites – Reginald Daye was not charged or arrested for domestic violence, assault on a female, or false imprisonment.

EMS took Reginald Daye by ambulance to Duke University Hospital where his assessment revealed a blood alcohol level of 296 mg/dL, which induces stupor in a nonalcoholic adult male. His condition was considered stable enough for him to undergo several preoperative diagnostic tests, including x-rays and body scans.

Emergency surgery disclosed a laceration to the colon and a minor lesion to the spleen, both which were repaired. With the operation a success, Daye’s prognosis was for a full recovery.

Despite prophylactic treatment with sedatives to prevent delirium tremens, Mr. Daye began showing significant agitation and other signs of alcoholic withdrawal on the third postoperative day. This development resulted in his transfer to the surgical intensive care unit where a decision was made to intubate Daye in order to protect his airway and better deliver oxygen.

Unfortunately, the endotracheal tube was positioned in the esophagus instead of the trachea which resulted in oxygen being delivered to the stomach instead of the lungs. The lack of oxygen resulted in death of sensitive brain cells and led to cardiac arrest. With cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) begun, the wayward endotracheal tube was removed and another endotracheal tube was introduced… this one properly placed in the trachea. After oxygen flow was reestablished to the lungs, the heart was successfully resuscitated and once again pumped spontaneously. The brain cells would not recover and Daye remained comatose.

Daye’s condition was monitored for a week, and on April 13, 2011, without showing improvement or signs of regaining consciousness, he was electively removed from life support after which he died.

An autopsy was performed on Reginald Daye the following morning of April 14, 2011, and the medical examiner concluded that Daye died of “complications of a stab wound to the chest,” although no nexus was established in the report.

The fraudulent Autopsy Examination Report of April 14, 2011 was used as the basis of Durham prosecutor Kelly Gauger’s first degree murder charge against Crystal Mangum, and on April 18, 2011 she received a grand jury indictment against Mangum not only for the murder charge, but also two counts of larceny of chose in action. The two count larceny charge being an integral part of the first degree murder charge.

CONSPIRACY BY THE MEDICAL EXAMINER

In order for Prosecutor Kelly Gauger to charge Mangum with murder, she needs an autopsy report to falsely state that the knife wound was responsible for Reginald Daye’s death. She gets exactly that in the April 14, 2011 autopsy report by Dr. Clay Nichols with his conclusion that Daye died from “complications from a stab wound to the chest.”

Crystal Mangum was indicted for the murder of Mr. Daye based on a fraudulent autopsy report that not only contained an unsubstantiated and incorrect conclusion, but fabricated physical findings, as well. The Durham prosecution’s case against Ms. Mangum relied solely on a document totally lacking in credibility.

The medical examiner’s role in this conspiracy was crucial, as the murder charge could not have been brought against Mangum without his report.

Ironically, although the conspiratorial bridge between Prosecutor Gauger and the medical examiner was essential for the murder charge against Mangum, the contribution by the doctor represented the weakest link in the criminal case against her.

CONSPIRACY BY THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS

In order for such a weak case as that against Mangum to even be brought before the court, prosecutors had to rely on significant cooperation from Mangum’s defense attorneys. Collusion by defense attorneys was mandatory if the prosecution of Mangum was to make any headway.

Any competent defense attorney, acting in the best interests of Ms. Mangum, could easily shred the prosecution’s case against her instantaneously. A motion to dismiss the charges, a motion to reduce bail, and a preliminary hearing are actions a defense attorney could have taken to minimize Mangum’s time behind bars following her arrest.

Although Mangum’s attorney Chris Shella did file several motions for bail reduction, he did not aggressively attack the weak case of the prosecution against his client.

Also, Mr. Shella allowed Judge Osmond Smith III to hear a bail reduction in March 2012 even though the black-rober should have recused himself, as he had presided over the pretrial phase of the Duke Lacrosse trial and had issued rulings against Mangum in it.

Durham prosecutors wanted Mangum to suffer, so her incarceration was a prominent part of their plan. They intended to move the case at a snail’s pace, which could be facilitated with cooperation by defense attorneys, while Ms. Mangum languished in jail.

Defense attorney Woody Vann, the court’s initially appointed attorney for Mangum, was reinstated approximately one year after her arrest when Mr. Shella voluntarily removed himself after supporters of Mangum drafted and filed motions for her and called a press conference.

After I met with Mr. Vann on May 24, 2012, and pointed out the discrepancies between the autopsy report and other medical records, he eventually retained the services of a forensic pathologist, Dr. Christena Roberts, to review Daye’s death. The court approved payment for the defense expert, and the report purportedly has been completed.

However, Mr. Vann has not given his client, Ms. Mangum, a copy of the Roberts’ report, and he has not shared all of the prosecution discovery and evidence, with Ms. Mangum… including photographs taken of Mangum’s injuries, of Daye’s injury, and of the evidence at the crime scene.

Because of the unanticipated involvement of Mangum’s supporters in her case, the prosecution-defense strategic objective has changed from an attempt to have Mangum convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to life in prison without parole, to having Mangum accept a plea deal in exchange for a sentence of time served.

The defense attorney’s collaboration with prosecutors here is vital, as a lawyer usually holds a position of trust with his client relying on him to give advice and direction in his defendant’s best interests. The defense attorney Mr. Vann is best positioned to deliver to the prosecution the acceptance by Crystal Mangum of a plea deal that would bring a quick end to the out of control prosecution and relieve the state of any civil liability for its grievous wrongs against her. A plea deal would also dispense with the need for an open trial which could expose Duke University Hospital to damaging publicity.

Recently Mr. Vann allegedly told Ms. Mangum that she had a “weak case,” and suggested that she consider taking a plea deal from the prosecution… this without giving his client full access to the evidence and prosecution discovery. Although nothing has been offered in writing by prosecutors, Mr. Vann is testing the waters and shopping the plea deal offer to her. Undoubtedly, the desperation by the prosecutors is evident with Mr. Vann mentioning “time served.”

With Ms. Mangum’s defense essentially consisting of a traitorous mole, it is no wonder that the prosecution would bring such a merit-less case against her with the reasonable expectation of prevailing in putting an innocent person in jail for life without the possibility of parole.

CONSPIRACY BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA

The ultimate goal of the prosecution centered conspiracy is to keep hidden from the public the sinister and illegal actions being taken against Crystal Mangum in an attempt to put her in prison for the rest of her life. If the singularly diabolical nature of the prosecution of Mangum had been revealed to the masses, a great possibility existed that there would have been an uproar to derail the prosecutors’ goals.

Even though the media had demonized Mangum to the point where people had little or no sympathy for her, the flagrant abuse of her within the legal system would elicit revulsion in most and unease in almost all.

What the Durham prosecutors wanted from the media is what the mainstream media has delivered thus far… a misleading fantasy with mischaracterizations of the main actors and total concealment of the truth with a disregard for logic and common sense.

The mainstream media has basically presented the criminal case as follows:

1. Crystal Mangum is a violent and mentally unstable liar who has a penchant for physically abusing her boyfriends.

2. Reginald Daye was portrayed a hardworking man who humanely took in Crystal Mangum and her three children… there being no mention of his alcoholism or past criminal history that included assault on a female.

3. On April 3, 2012, shortly after midnight, the two began arguing over two cashier’s checks which Mangum had no way of converting to her own personal use.

4. As a result of the argument, Mangum stabbed Daye and ran off with the two cashier’s checks, there being no mention of the injuries sustained by Mangum… no mention of clumps of her hair found at the scene… and no mention of the locked bathroom door being kicked in.

5. Reginald Daye died as a result of the stab wound which perforated six organs. There is no mention that Daye’s intubation was botched by Duke University Hospital staff which led to his brain death, and that he was in coma for a week. Neither is there any mention that he died after being electively removed from life support.

The misinformation above is what most unenlightened individuals, the majority of people, believe… courtesy of the mainstream media.

Another attack track taken by the media is to paint Mangum supporters as being troublemakers, interlopers, and self-serving legal obstructionists whose actions unintentionally work to her detriment.

Headlines even state that, with many of them emphasizing the series of feeble investigations against “Mangum supporters.”

The North Carolina State Bar investigation against Sidney B. Harr was even instigated by “more than one journalist.” To protect the journalistic complainants’ identity, the State Bar named itself as the complainant.

Then, once the Bar agreed to consider the complaint, the media was quick to jump on the story… the very one for which they were responsible.

The mainstream media’s biggest contribution to the conspiracy was its large scale cover-up in which it ignored the false findings of the all important autopsy report upon which the murder charge against Mangum was based. It also kept hushed about the cause of Reginald Daye’s death and the events surrounding it, with omissions of the pertinent facts regarding the misplaced endotracheal tube, the resultant brain death, Daye’s weeklong comatose course, and his removal from life-support which was the proximate cause of his death.

By concealment of these facts, the mainstream media purposely tried to shield Orange County Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, hide Duke University Hospital culpability in Daye’s death, mislead the public into believing that the stab wound was responsible for Daye’s death, and that Mangum supporters were interfering with the presentation of justice.

The media was well aware of the truth related to disparities in the autopsy report when compared with other medical documents… in other words, that the autopsy report was false and misleading.

The media was well aware of the truth regarding Reginald Daye’s death and that his demise had absolutely nothing to do with the stab wound he received.

Showing little curiosity about blatantly false statements in an autopsy report, the media exhibited marked apathy about the autopsy report as well as showing no desire to bring to the public’s attention the events surrounding Daye’s death at the Duke University facility.

Instead the media was busy focusing its investigative firepower into obtaining the personal cell phone records of former UNC head football coach Butch Davis, obtaining the collegiate academic record of professional UNC and professional gridiron great Julius Peppers, and learning the identities of Tar Heel football players who had their parking tickets dismissed.

Treachery by the legal profession against Ms. Mangum, Mike Nifong, their supporters, and others considered to be on the wrong end of the Duke Lacrosse case by the Powers-That-Be has been proven to be not newsworthy when it comes to the mainstream media.

In order for the prosecutorial cabal to be able to pull off such a merit-less prosecution against Mangum, it was mandatory that the mainstream media cooperate by obscuring and deceiving the public about what really transpired between Mangum and Daye the morning of the stabbing and about what happened to Daye during his hospitalization at Duke University Hospital.

The media has performed exceptionally in keeping the truth about the prosecution of Mangum buried beneath layers of omissions, diversions, selective and biased reporting, and overtly sloppy and inaccurate reporting.

Durham prosecutors, with their trumped up and fraudulent charges against Mangum, could not have asked for better cooperation from the mainstream media.

CONSPIRACY BY THE ENABLERS

My definition of an enabler is a person or organization that has position and standing to have an effect on a situation, but elects to remain silent and idle. In the face of injustice towards Mangum, many politicians, civil rights leaders and their organizations, clergy, and other community leaders have refused to lift a finger to confront the mistreatment of Ms. Mangum by the justice system.

Whether due to a deficiency of courage, a lack of will, or both, the enablers with their bully pulpit have consistently rebuffed my entreaties for them to engage in the matter even in the most minimal or superficial way. Enablers could have raised concerns about Ms. Mangum’s situation with the media or with Durham prosecutors themselves, but all of whom I contacted refused.

None of the many members of the North Carolina General Assembly who I reached out to were willing to get involved. Ms. Mangum’s political Durham representatives, specifically Senator Floyd McKissick Jr., Representatives Larry Hall and Mickey Michaux, and Congressman David Price all refused to help out their constituent.

The Durham City Council, likewise, declined to wade into the issue, even though taxpayer dollars used for the wrongful prosecution and incarceration were being wasted.

The NAACP on a local and national level would not speak out or take action against the injustice toward Mangum, but then again, the NAACP has a record of being extremely selective in whom it chooses to lend its support. Its tendency to shy away from any controversial issue was evidenced by its refusal to intercede on behalf of the wrongly accused Scottsboro Boys.

Although the NAACP did step in and help prevent Wilson prosecutors from railroading James Arthur Johnson more than it did, it is an institution that has proven to be timorous when it comes to getting involved in criminal justice issues in general.

The ACLU locally and nationally did not so much as give a response to letters sent to them seeking assistance for the great injustice against the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser.

Located in downtown Durham, the North Carolina Coalition Against Domestic Violence, kept away from the Mangum fray despite the fact that evidence, common sense, and logic clearly supported her assertion that she was being physically abused and stabbed her assailant in self-defense.

In being rebuffed by the coalition, I was told that getting involved in any manner in Crystal Mangum’s case would be setting a precedent that the organization did not want to follow.

With the offices of the governor and the attorney general bemoaning the unacceptably high death rate in the Tar Heel state resulting from domestic violence, neither of them reacted to my concerns about how this victim of a domestic dispute who acted in self defense was now being unjustly charged with the murder of the abuser.

Had any of the aforementioned enablers taken a stand and raised awareness about the ostacles confronting Mangum in receiving a just and fair hearing within the criminal justice system, the vendetta conspiracy against her would have been brought down.

Since the enablers have remained inactive, the mainstream media has had no obligation to delve into the shenanigans being perpetuated against Mangum by the prosecutors.

Bottom line is that the cover-up by the mainstream media represents the bulwark to preventing the truth about Mangum’s ordeal from reaching the eyes and ears of the public… thereby stifling any outrage or opposition to her mistreatment.

With the public deaf and blind to what’s taking place in the courtroom, the defendant’s right to a fair and impartial trial can be severely compromised. The media has deftly provided the ear plugs and blinders in allowing Crystal Mangum to be ravaged by vindictive prosecutors and their conspiratorial accomplices.

RECAP: PUTTING THE CONSPIRATORIAL PIECES TOGETHER

The devious plot of Durham prosecutors Kelly Gauger and Charlene Coggins-Franks to transform Crystal Mangum from the victim of domestic violence that she was into a first degree murderer, all for misguided retribution for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case, required the contribution and cooperation from many sources… in general being the following four groups: (1) the medical examiner; (2) the defense attorneys; (3) the mainstream media; and (4) the enablers.

That the prosecution was prejudiced against Mangum is evidenced by its disregard for the evidence supporting the fact that Mangum was physically abused by an intoxicated Reginald Daye who had a past history of assault on a female, and that Reginald Daye was not arrested or charged with domestic violence, assault of a female, or unlawful imprisonment in this instance.

After Daye’s death due to medical malpractice, the prosecution’s bias was further displayed by its murder charge against Mangum. It went to fanatical extremes to make it a first degree murder charge by concocting a little known/rarely used “larceny of chose in action” charge in conjunction with the “felony-murder rule”… the alleged larceny not even filling the requisites needed for the charge.

Prosecutors then relied upon the medical examiner to provide the foundation upon which to build their murder charge by issuing an autopsy report concluding that Reginald Daye’s death was due to “complications of a stab wound to the chest.” This is totally false.

With such a weak and baseless case against Mangum, the prosecutors needed to have the full cooperation of the defense attorneys who represented her. Her lawyers were to go through the appearances of providing adequate counsel while intentionally accomplishing nothing of substance with their client Mangum languishing in jail under a high bail.

Any halfway competent defense attorney acting in good faith would have immediately challenged the prosecution’s case… the murder charge against Mangum would never have gotten off the ground.

The mainstream media was needed to keep the masses ignorant of the misdeeds and malfeasances of the prosecution in its vendetta case against Crystal Mangum. Media apathy was mandatory to keep from exposing the true cause of Daye’s death, the problems with the autopsy report, and to protect both Duke University Hospital and the Orange County Medical examiner.

Once Mangum supporters started to rally after her case remained in limbo for a year, the media was utilized to beat back their accusations of prosecutorial misconduct by placing these advocates in a bad light… presenting them as unstable, trouble-making interlopers.

With enablers’ muskets muzzled, compliant media-types kept the unscrupulous doings of the conspirators deeply buried, as no one, save Mangum supporters and members of the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong raised the alarm about the gross injustice taking place.

Corruption, conspiracy, and cover-up, all on a grand scale, are preventing Crystal Mangum from receiving true justice which she is due.

Mangum is not the only one on trial in this case… the bigger defendant is the North Carolina criminal justice system itself, and it is imperative that all Tar Heelians let their voices be heard in order to deliver a verdict that lives up to the promise of equal justice for all… even Crystal Mangum.

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Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"gui, mon ami, the so-called case against Crystal is so weak that she can easily defend it herself.

As has been shown with her past attorneys, all they accomplish is to make her situation worse... Keep in mind that it is her attorney who is keeping exculpatory evidence from her!!! How crazy is that?"

Yet more lies you are promulgating.

So what else is new?

If Crystal really had a case, you would not be trying to shout down the Prosecution with repeated lies.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Ah, yes, I did ruffle a few feathers, didn't I? A rare instance in which I sorta lost control. But, you anonymi must keep reminding yourself that I am not perfect... and on occasion I will give a less than my usual stellar performance."

No, you made a complete and total fool of yourself.

By stellar, you must mean a black hole, a burned out, imploded star which sucks in the light rather than dispersing it. it.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I would suggest that you go to a public library and ask its reference librarian to help you with your search.

Good luck."

From te appropriately named Liestoppers"

"
try a check of Sidney B Harr, MD

no credentials listed, only Oregon and Calif practices that on longer have valid license (S B Harr, jr)

Is this our "bless his heart" ?

Posted May 29 2012, 07:17 PM in DUKE LACROSSE - Liestoppers".

So what ae your credentials. Why won't you release them yourself?

Are you hiding something?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"That's all I want for Crystal. She should never have been arrested or charged. This is nothing more than a vendetta prosecution as will be shown... mark my words."

Your words have already marked you as a blatant unrepentant racist liar who believes Caucasian men do not deserve the presumption of innocence, even if they have been falsely accused and wrongfully prosecuted.

Racist Caucasians believed Black men, even if innocent, were not entitled to the presumption of innocence.Aren't you proud you have a like bias?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR

"Keep in mind that I have not been following Mr. Sandusky's situation, so I don't know what's going on there."

That does not mean Gerry Sandusky has not been studying and adopting your method, namely avoid accountability for your wrongdoing by screaming it's all a conspiracy.

Only you are doing it on behalf of false accuser/victimizer Crystal.

You are angry because the innocent Caucasian men she falsely accused were nit wrongfully convicted.

Anonymous said...

Correction if a typo:

SIDNEY HARR

"Keep in mind that I have not been following Mr. Sandusky's situation, so I don't know what's going on there."

That does not mean Gerry Sandusky has not been studying and adopting your method, namely avoid accountability for your wrongdoing by screaming it's all a conspiracy.

Only you are doing it on behalf of false accuser/victimizer Crystal.

You are angry because the innocent Caucasian men she falsely accused were not wrongfully convicted.

Lance the Intern said...

"Anonymous said...
hey sidney, where did you go to medical school? residency? what hospital as an emergency physician?


Looks like Sid went to the University of Oregon Medical School (06/07/1974) and received his post-graduate training at UCLA Medical Center.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Do you really think you make any sense.

You allege that Crystal had injuries from a severe beating she had received from Reginald Daye.

The report of the Medical people who looked at Crystal after the stabbing of Mr. Daye recorded she had no serious injuries. Officer Bond wrote on his report that Crystal did not look injured.

So we have two possibilities. She was injured. She was not injured.

If she was not injured, there would have been no reason to take pictures of her injuries.

If she was injured, then Officer Bond and the Medical personnel falsified the records. If the records were falsified to cover up the injuries, why would the authorities take pictures which would prove a cover up?

The explanation of this non paradox is, Crystal was not injured and you are trying to lie about it.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Homer says:

Right on anonymous October 12, 2012 7:04 PM

Anonymous said...

Homer says:

Anonymous October 12, 2012 7:25 PM

Right on Happy Little Elves

Anonymous said...

Where's my man kennyhyderal?

Anonymous said...


Dr. Harr,

Have you discussed with Crystal's family and friends your recommendation that she fire Attorney Vann and represent herself with your assistance? There are risks with this strategy that should be carefully considered. Have you asked kenhyderal and Matt Murchison for their views?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"I would suggest that you go to a public library and ask its reference librarian to help you with your search.

Good luck."

From te appropriately named Liestoppers"

"
try a check of Sidney B Harr, MD

no credentials listed, only Oregon and Calif practices that on longer have valid license (S B Harr, jr)

Is this our "bless his heart" ?

Posted May 29 2012, 07:17 PM in DUKE LACROSSE - Liestoppers".

So what ae your credentials. Why won't you release them yourself?

Are you hiding something?


I've got nothing to hide, but then why should I help you find out about me? This isn't about me... it's about Crystal Mangum and justice denied.

However, if you insist on learning about me, don't you think it would be more satisfying to you if you put in a little effort to dig up the facts rather than having them handed to you on a silver platter? You'll feel much better if you solve this little mystery yourself.

Again, good luck.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

Do you really think you make any sense.

You allege that Crystal had injuries from a severe beating she had received from Reginald Daye.

The report of the Medical people who looked at Crystal after the stabbing of Mr. Daye recorded she had no serious injuries. Officer Bond wrote on his report that Crystal did not look injured.

So we have two possibilities. She was injured. She was not injured.

If she was not injured, there would have been no reason to take pictures of her injuries.

If she was injured, then Officer Bond and the Medical personnel falsified the records. If the records were falsified to cover up the injuries, why would the authorities take pictures which would prove a cover up?

The explanation of this non paradox is, Crystal was not injured and you are trying to lie about it.


The fact is that Crystal was injured and photographs were taken, according to the forensic police report which I have placed online... Photos of Crystal's injuries, and of the crime scene.

The problem is that the turncoat defense attorneys won't turn them over to Crystal. Once they do, then you can rest assured that you will see the injuries and finally be convinced that she was the victim of domestic abuse.

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance the Intern said...
"Anonymous said...
hey sidney, where did you go to medical school? residency? what hospital as an emergency physician?


Looks like Sid went to the University of Oregon Medical School (06/07/1974) and received his post-graduate training at UCLA Medical Center.


Hey, Intern. Nice work. You get a gold star.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Correction if a typo:

SIDNEY HARR

"Keep in mind that I have not been following Mr. Sandusky's situation, so I don't know what's going on there."

That does not mean Gerry Sandusky has not been studying and adopting your method, namely avoid accountability for your wrongdoing by screaming it's all a conspiracy.

Only you are doing it on behalf of false accuser/victimizer Crystal.

You are angry because the innocent Caucasian men she falsely accused were not wrongfully convicted.


What angers me is the vendetta prosecution of Crystal Mangum, a woman innocent of any crime in the incident in 2011... in fact, a victim of a crime by Daye and the state of North Carolina.

As far as the Duke Lacrosse defendants go, I could care less whether or not they were convicted. I have no animus towards them... No feelings about them whatsoever.

(Time to sign off as my computer time as expired. Sayonara)

Anonymous said...


Dr. Harr,

I am disappointed that you ignored my post. These are important questions that should be answered.


Dr. Harr,

Have you discussed with Crystal's family and friends your recommendation that she fire Attorney Vann and represent herself with your assistance? There are risks with this strategy that should be carefully considered. Have you asked kenhyderal and Matt Murchison for their views?

guiowen said...

Anonymous 8:32 a. m.:

Crystal's family seems content to let Sidney run things for them. The J4N committee are Crystal's friends. As for Kenhyderal (who is as you know CGM's alter ego), he hasn't complained about Sidney's interference. Why should you?

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "Kenhyderal (who is as you know CGM's alter ego)"....... Crystal has no access to a computer.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 8:32 said: "Have you asked kenhyderal and Matt Murchison for their views?"......... Both Dr. Harr and Mr. Murchison visit Crystal on a regular basis. Crystal is an intelligent person who is quite capable of deciding what is in her best interest.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Harr meets at least once a week with Crystal and I am concerned that he is asserting undue influence over her. kenhyderal is a bright lad and I hope that he will take the initiative and share his wise counsel with Crystal regarding this most important decision.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

The fact is that Crystal was injured and photographs were taken, according to the forensic police report which I have placed online... Photos of Crystal's injuries, and of the crime scene.

The problem is that the turncoat defense attorneys won't turn them over to Crystal. Once they do, then you can rest assured that you will see the injuries and finally be convinced that she was the victim of domestic abuse."

How you might have interpreted the forensic report is your business.

Your problem, which you characteristically try to dodge, is to explain why the authorities would falsify the medical records and then create evidence showing they would falsify the records.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Hey, Intern. Nice work. You get a gold star."

Now earn your own gold star and tell what credentials you to dismiss the autopsy report as bogus.

To claim that any one with a 5th grade education is but another dodge and unsupported allegation.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"

What angers me is the vendetta prosecution of Crystal Mangum, a woman innocent of any crime in the incident in 2011... in fact, a victim of a crime by Daye and the state of North Carolina."

There is no vendetta against Crystal. That is another lie you promulgate.

"As far as the Duke Lacrosse defendants go, I could care less whether or not they were convicted. I have no animus towards them... No feelings about them whatsoever."

That is another lie you try to promulgate. If you had no anger over them, you would not be denying that they are innocent, you would not be grousing about Duke University settling with them, you would not repeating the lie that Crystal was a victim in the Duke phony Lacrosse incident.

"(Time to sign off as my computer time as expired. Sayonara)"

In other words, you are running away to avoid confronting more truths.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

" Guiowen said: "Kenhyderal (who is as you know CGM's alter ego)"....... Crystal has no access to a computer."

Unfortunately for the causes of Justice and the Truth, you do.

Fortunately, you do not have the intellectual capacity to recognize propaganda. Otherwise you would not spew out so much in the causes of falsehood and injustice.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'Have you asked kenhyderal and Matt Murchison for their views?'......... Both Dr. Harr and Mr. Murchison visit Crystal on a regular basis. Crystal is an intelligent person who is quite capable of deciding what is in her best interest."

So why was Crystal unable to tell a coherent story of what happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Why, when asked by the police what happened, she did not reply consistently, I do not remember?

Why did Crystal lie to SIDNEY HARR about who set fire to Milton Walker's clothes?

Anonymous said...

Someone earlier asked where KENHYDERAL was.

My guess is, he was hiding somewhere throwing one of his accustomed hissy fits because innocent Caucasian men, falsely accused of rape by a black woman, denied the allegations.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I've got nothing to hide, but then why should I help you find out about me? This isn't about me... it's about Crystal Mangum and justice denied."

You do have something to either hide or which you are reluctant to reveal.

And it "isn't about me... it's about Crystal Mangum and justice denied" is another dodge, another indication you have something to hide about your credentials as a physician.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

To followup my last comment, you were very upset about what the appropriately named Liestoppers revealed about you.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

If you weren't so hesitant about your credentials, you would reveal what makes you competent to comment on the autopsy report, instead of just dodging with your 5th grade education defense>

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

With your "5th Grade Education" defense, you are revealing you are not competent to comment about the autopsy report on Reginald Daye.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 12:50 PM said: "Why did Crystal lie to SIDNEY HARR about who set fire to Milton Walker's clothes" Dr. Harr was mistaken about that. Keep in mind that Crystal admitted to burning the clothes when she was interogated the night of her arrest. The video of this was shown to the jury. This action on her part, as revenge for the beating Walker had dealt her, did not rise to the definition of arson. Nine out 12 jurors agreed to this.

Anonymous said...

Ken: Harr was mistaken about that.

False. Crystal denied setting the fire in the J4N press inference. You are intentionally misleading readers.

Ken: This action... did not rise to the definition of arson.

The jury was split 9-3 in favor of acquittal for FIRST DEGREE arson. They may have convicted her on a lesser arson charge.

I agree that she was overcharged. However, I do not accept your statement that her actions "did not rise to the definition of arson."

Crystal is innocent of arson under the law, but she is not innocent according to Harr's definition of innocence, which depends on a not guilty verdict, not a hung jury.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Keep in mind that Crystal admitted to burning the clothes when she was interogated the night of her arrest. The video of this was shown to the jury".

Which shows only that Crystal IS a liar and the Jury, judging from their collective inability to recognizing propaganda, is as intelligent as you.

Any sane rational being would call the last paragraph an insult.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:50 PM said: "Crystal denied setting the fire in the J4N press inference. You are intentionally misleading readers"......... Crystal said, at that press confrence, "I have no knowledge of the fire". She said that to protect Milton Walker, who out of remorse for the trouble he had caused Crystal, falsely confessed to burning his own clothes, in hopes that this would clear her. His confession, which Crystal had no part in, fortunately, was not taken seriously. Dr. Harr jumped to the conclusion that, if Crystal had no knowledge of the fire, the Police Officer must have attempted a frame. I do blame the Police, though, for aggravating the situation by not easily extinguishing the fire but instead without using common sense, decided to proceed by an established protocol. Sometimes professionals have to take responsibility and not always go by the book. In this case their going by the book made the situation worse.

Anonymous said...

Crystal also said at the press conference: "i did not set a fire that night."

She lied.

You claimed Harr misunderstood her denial.

You lied.

Anonymous said...

Ken,

You owe Harr an apology.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:25 said: "You claimed Harr misunderstood her denial"......... How can that be a lie?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 2:50 PM said: "Crystal denied setting the fire in the J4N press inference. You are intentionally misleading readers"......... Crystal said, at that press confrence, "I have no knowledge of the fire". She said that to protect Milton Walker, who out of remorse for the trouble he had caused Crystal, falsely confessed to burning his own clothes, in hopes that this would clear her. His confession, which Crystal had no part in, fortunately, was not taken seriously. Dr. Harr jumped to the conclusion that, if Crystal had no knowledge of the fire, the Police Officer must have attempted a frame. I do blame the Police, though, for aggravating the situation by not easily extinguishing the fire but instead without using common sense, decided to proceed by an established protocol. Sometimes professionals have to take responsibility and not always go by the book. In this case their going by the book made the situation worse."

This seems awfully like the story you told about what really happened when Crystal stole the cab and tried to run down a police officer, a total lie(read the contemporary police records).

That establishes Crystal as a liar.

If you closely followed this blog, there is a blog in which SIDNEY clearly stated that Crystal denied setting the fire.

So, basically, you are trying to promulgate more Crystal propaganda.

You have not established as fact that the fire could have been easily extinguished by the police. I bet you got that information from Crystal the liar.

Anonymous said...

Ken:

Crystal's statement is not subject to misinterpretation.

You know that. You lied about Harr's misunderstanding.

You lied.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said @ 4:28 " "You owe Harr an apology" ...... For what; believing he misunderstood? Even people as brilliant as Dr.Harr can have a misunderstanding.

Anonymous said...

No. You don't believe that he misunderstood. You lied.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:25 said: "You claimed Harr misunderstood her denial"......... How can that be a lie?"

Justice4Nifong blog Wednesday, June 16, 2010:

Title: Crystal Mangum did NOT set clothes in bathtub on fire!:

"After speaking with Crystal Mangum I learned that on the night of February 17, 2010, she did not set fire to clothes in the bathtub as alleged by the Durham Police Department. Furthermore, she did not know that a fire had been set in her bathtub, and she did not know who was responsible for setting the fire."

That is not exactly SIDNEY HARR "jump[ing] to the conclusion that, if Crystal had no knowledge of the fire". SIDNEY said rather specifically, Crystal TOLD him she did not set the fire.

As you have said, "Crystal admitted to burning the clothes when she was interogated(sic) the night of her arrest. The video of this was shown to the jury".

Crystal lied. Sidney believed her.
You again have misrepresented the facts.

Right on, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

Correction:

I should have posted it this way:



KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:25 said: "You claimed Harr misunderstood her denial"......... How can that be a lie?"

Justice4Nifong blog Wednesday, June 16, 2010:

Title: Crystal Mangum did NOT set clothes in bathtub on fire!:

"After speaking with Crystal Mangum I learned that on the night of February 17, 2010, she did not set fire to clothes in the bathtub as alleged by the Durham Police Department. Furthermore, she did not know that a fire had been set in her bathtub, and she did not know who was responsible for setting the fire."

That is not exactly SIDNEY HARR "jump[ing] to the conclusion that, if Crystal had no knowledge of the fire".

Then, as you have said, "Crystal admitted to burning the clothes when she was interogated(sic) the night of her arrest. The video of this was shown to the jury".

Crystal lied. Sidney believed her. You again have misrepresented the facts.

Right on, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

Ken,

I want you to apologize for being a

I also want you to apologize to Harr for falsely maligning him.

Anonymous said...

Right on Homer

Anonymous said...

Homer says:

Anonymous October 13, 2012 5:48 PM

Right on Smithers

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said @ 4:28 " "You owe Harr an apology" ...... For what; believing he misunderstood? Even people as brilliant as Dr.Harr can have a misunderstanding."

People as brilliant as SIDNEY HARR would suck the light out of a bright sunny day.

The only one I know as brilliant as SIDNEY HARR is you, and you are at the extreme low end of the bell curve.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Justice4Nifong blog Wednesday, June 16, 2010:

Title: Crystal Mangum did NOT set clothes in bathtub on fire!:

"After speaking with Crystal Mangum I learned that on the night of February 17, 2010, she did not set fire to clothes in the bathtub as alleged by the Durham Police Department. Furthermore, she did not know that a fire had been set in her bathtub, and she did not know who was responsible for setting the fire."

Crystal lied. You admit it. Yet, you believe her stories of what happened in the Daye stabbing.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, commenting about kenhyderal: Yet, you believe her stories of what happened in the Daye stabbing.

False. kenhyderal is a troll. He does not believe what he posts. His recent posts have also shown him to be a liar.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous in quoting Dr. Harr said: "After speaking with Crystal Mangum I learned that on the night of February 17, 2010, she did not set fire to clothes in the bathtub as alleged by the Durham Police Department. Furthermore, she did not know that a fire had been set in her bathtub, and she did not know who was responsible for setting the fire."............. I'm suggesting that Dr.Harr misunderstood her; otherwise how could he square that with what she said during her interogation where she admitted doing that. He said he "learned this". I contend he drew the wrong conclusion from what he learned.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said" "kenhyderal is a troll. He does not believe what he posts. His recent posts have also shown him to be a liar"...........I post what I believe under my own name. I would point out, that at no time did I ever suggest anyone other then Crystal set fire, in a bathtub, to Milton Walker's clothes. And as an indication to what I believed, I frequently stated that in Canada this incident would have been delt with, the following morning, in a Magistrats Court, a no contact order issued and Crystal would have been subjected to a restitution order for burning the clothes.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

" I'm suggesting that Dr.Harr misunderstood her; otherwise how could he square that with what she said during her interogation where she admitted doing that. He said he "learned this". I contend he drew the wrong conclusion from what he learned. "

Contention nothing! Crystal lied and SIDNEY believed her.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I post what I believe under my own name."

Correction:

You post whatever buys into your presumption of guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian men under your own name. What I believe is that you also copy and repost your own posts under the name of Malek Williams.

The word is not "delt" but dealt.

Many of those people who had trouble with spelling eventually got over it.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I frequently stated that in Canada this incident would have been delt(sic) with, the following morning, in a Magistrats Court, a no contact order issued and Crystal would have been subjected to a restitution order for burning the clothes."

That presumes the fire was not a major event. You have no first hand knowledge that it was a minor event.

It is a fact that the Fire Department was summoned(which never would have happened had Crystal not lit the fire). SIDNEY HARR himself has reported that there was major smoke damage in the apartment.

So how would Canada have dealt with someone who caused a fire which resulted in summoning of the Fire Department and caused major damage to a dwelling?

P.S. The "brilliant Doctor Harr" is a figment of your imagination.

Anonymous said...

Right on kennyhyderal

Anonymous said...

Homer says:

Anonymous October 13, 2012 5:48 PM

Right on Smithers

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Anonymous said...

anonymous October 14, 2012 6:51 AM

Right on, Krusty the Clown

Anonymous said...

Anonymous October 14, 2012 6:55 AM

Right on Mr BUrns

Anonymous said...

Ken asks about Harr: otherwise how could he square that [Mangum's denial that she set the fire] with what she said during her interogation where she admitted doing that.

Harr reacted the same way he generally does when faced with evidence that contradicts his narrative: he ignores the evidence for as long as possible.

Only after repeated questioning by his readers did Harr even acknowledge Mangum's videotaped confession. When he could no longer ignore the obvious, he simply dismissed it as invalid: Mangum was so tired that she told the interviewer what he wanted to hear so that she could end the interview.

Mangum clearly denied setting the fire in her public interview. That denial could not be "misunderstood."

She lied to Harr. Harr believed her.

Such is the brilliance of Dr. Harr.

Anonymous said...

Ken said: Crystal said, at that press confrence, "I have no knowledge of the fire".

She set the fire. I take your statement as an admission that you believe Crystal is a liar.

Ken said: She said that to protect Milton Walker, who out of remorse for the trouble he had caused Crystal, falsely confessed to burning his own clothes, in hopes that this would clear her.

This is a ridiculous statement.

The most straightforward way to "protect Milton Walker" was to admit the she set the fire. She was trying to protect herself, apparently failing to remember that she had already admitted to setting the fire.

Ridiculous statements like this are why most readers have concluded that you are a troll. No thinking human being could believe this tripe.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"I've got nothing to hide, but then why should I help you find out about me? This isn't about me... it's about Crystal Mangum and justice denied."

You do have something to either hide or which you are reluctant to reveal.

And it "isn't about me... it's about Crystal Mangum and justice denied" is another dodge, another indication you have something to hide about your credentials as a physician.


I know. You think I got my medical degree from a Cracker Jacks box... right? Hah!

Nifong Supporter said...



Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

To followup my last comment, you were very upset about what the appropriately named Liestoppers revealed about you.


Is Liestoppers still in business? I haven't been to that site in ages... and I won't be able to visit it now as I've less than three minutes ... make that two minutes remaining on this computer. Anyway, I'll be interested in seeing what it "revealed about me!" Should be worth a few chuckles as I don't take that site seriously.

Sayonara.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I know. You think I got my medical degree from a Cracker Jacks box... right? Hah!"

Whatever school granted your medical degree, you are a totally incompetent physician.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Is Liestoppers still in business? I haven't been to that site in ages... and I won't be able to visit it now as I've less than three minutes ... make that two minutes remaining on this computer."

In other words, you are afraid to confront the truth, characteristic for a minion of the father of lies.

"Anyway, I'll be interested in seeing what it "revealed about me!" Should be worth a few chuckles as I don't take that site seriously.

So why do you fear to go to the site.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @3:43 said: "Many of those people who had trouble with spelling eventually got over it"...... You mean there is hope for me?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:51 said:"That presumes the fire was not a major event. You have no first hand knowledge that it was a minor event".............. Well, Judge Jones and nine of twelve jurors thought that was the case. Keep in mind these jurors, unlike you and I, were vetted by both sides for their impartiality by a lengthy jury selection process.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @3:43 said: "Many of those people who had trouble with spelling eventually got over it"...... You mean there is hope for me?"

I meant that these others have gotten over it. You have not.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Well, Judge Jones and nine of twelve jurors thought that was the case. Keep in mind these jurors, unlike you and I, were vetted by both sides for their impartiality by a lengthy jury selection process."

The question was, what would Canada do about a person who set a fire which resulted in the Fire Department being called and which caused extensive smoke damage to the apartment?

No one ever dubbed a Durham Jury as interested in justice. A lot of anti Lacrosse protesters wanted the innocent Lacrosse players tried in Durham because a Durham jury would be more likely to return a guilty verdict.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 10:41 said: "The most straightforward way to "protect Milton Walker" was to admit the she set the fire. She was trying to protect herself, apparently failing to remember that she had already admitted to setting the fire" ..............No, Walker, as the aggrieved party would not likely be charged for obstructing justice by claiming to have set fire to his own clothing, as subsequent history so proved, nor would he, unlike Crystal, be charged with arson for this trivial incident.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "I meant that these others have gotten over it. You have not".......... Wahhh, you mean there is no hope for me.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal @3:29 makes another absolutely ridiculous statement, providing more evidence that he is a troll. If Walker faced no risk of prosecution, Crystal had no reason to lie to "protect" him.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "and which caused extensive smoke damage to the apartment"......... Can you, possibly, cite me a source for that information?

Anonymous said...

Right on kennyhyderal

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Crystal had no reason to lie to "protect" him" But she thought she did, as there were cries at Liestoppers to prosecute him for obstruction of justice. His altruistic, albeit risky action, was motivated by remorse for the hurt he had caused her

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal @3:45 makes another ridiculous statement, proving once again that he is a troll. No thinking human being could believe what he posts.

Anonymous said...

Right on kennyhyderal

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Can you, possibly, cite me a source for that information?"

SIDNEY HARR reported the fire caused extensive smoke damage to the apartment, which he blamed on a DPD officer who called the Durham Fire Department rather than attempt to put out the fire himself.

What is your source that the fire was only clothes smoldering in the bath tub - Crystal the Liar?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'Crystal had no reason to lie to "protect" him' But she thought she did, as there were cries at Liestoppers to prosecute him for obstruction of justice. His altruistic, albeit risky action, was motivated by remorse for the hurt he had caused her".

Cite some of those cries at liestoppers.

What evidence do you have that he caused her harm, other than Crystal the liar and Milton Walker caving in to the Friends of Crystl?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "and which caused extensive smoke damage to the apartment"......... Can you, possibly, cite me a source for that information?"

You are ducking the question, namely, what would have happened in Canada to someone who started a fire in a dwelling which necessitated calling in the Fire Department and which caused extensive smoke damage to the apartment?

You, I say again, have not established as fact that the fire was a minor affair.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:17 said: " Cite some of those cries at Liestoppers" http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/3819502/1/

kenhyderal said...
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kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:36 said "You, I say again, have not established as fact that the fire was a minor affair"........... And you, most certainly, have not established that it rose to the level of an act of arson and neither have the courts. And may I remind you that Judge Jones thougt the misdemeanor child abuse convictions were a crock and sentenced Crystal accordingly. My guess is that had she made bail on day one he would have given her one day on those 3 in 1 charges. Making three charges of this smacks of prosecutorial persecution

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 5:17 said: " Cite some of those cries at Liestoppers" http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/3819502/1/"

Again you, probably deliberately, misrepresent the facts. There were " there were [no] cries at Liestoppers to prosecute him for obstruction of justice".

What you have documented is that Crystal lover Steven Matherly tried to intimidate Milton Walker into taking the fall for Crystal's actions.

Liar Liar Pants on fire.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"

Anonymous @ 6:36 said "You, I say again, have not established as fact that the fire was a minor affair"........... And you, most certainly, have not established that it rose to the level of an act of arson and neither have the courts."

You have asserted the fire was not a major fire. The issue is, you duck the fact that you have not established as fact that it was a minor fire. That the courts did not convict Crystal of arson only means that in this issue the courts failed. I remind you that you and all Crystal supporters criticize the legal system because it did not wrongfully convict innocent Caucasian men whom Crystal falsely accused of raping her.


"And may I remind you that Judge Jones thougt the misdemeanor child abuse convictions were a crock and sentenced Crystal accordingly."

All that means is Judge Jones is as intellectually incapable as you are.

"My guess is that had she made bail on day one he would have given her one day on those 3 in 1 charges. Making three charges of this smacks of prosecutorial persecution".

Your pass is legally meaningless since it is an expression of your presumption of guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian men.

"Prosecutorial persecution", as you term it, is wrongfully indicting falsely accused Caucasian men of raping a black woman who made non credible charges of rape, indicting them after evidence established no rape had happened. That you can not see this is yet more evidence you are intellectually incapable of recognizing propaganda.

Considering what you said about http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/3819502/1/, you can't even recognize the truth when it is in front of you.

Way to go, KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

Clarification:

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 5:17 said: " Cite some of those cries at Liestoppers" http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/3819502/1/"

Again you, probably deliberately, misrepresent the facts. "There were [no] cries at Liestoppers to prosecute him for obstruction of justice".

What you have documented is that Crystal lover Steven Matherly tried to intimidate Milton Walker into taking the fall for Crystal's actions.

Liar Liar Pants on fire.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Either you are a mole in the Crystal camp actually working to discredit her or you are incredibly stupid and I tend to believe the latter.

Liestoppers http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/3819502/1/ documents that the Friends of Crystal/J4N gang engaged in witness intimidation and subornation of perjury(forcing Milton Walker to go to the authorities and claim, FALSELY, that he set the fire).

All of which is a tacit admission that they believed Crystal was guilty of the mayhem at Milton Walker's apartment.

Anonymous said...

Where did you go to medical school,Sidney? Got something to hide??

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Ponder this:

SIDNEY, after believing Crystal the liar, accused a DPD officer of setting the fire and letting it burn in order to frame Crystal.

According to http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/3819502/1/ the J4N gang tried to intimidate someone who had not lit the fire to take the fall for the fire.

That is strong circumstantial evidence that the fire was not minor. If it had been minor, then why did the pro Crystal gang not say, Crystal lit the fire but it was not a major fire?

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal is a troll. Please do not feed the trolls.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

I have heard reports you graduated from Medical School in 1974, retire in 1991. If so, why?

That seems to be an awfully short career.

Anonymous said...

If Harr had nothing to hide, he would proudly tell us all where he went to Medical School and he would brag about his medical career. Isn't that the same kind of logic that Nifong used, folks? I recall Nifong telling the public that the LAX guys were obviously hiding something and suspect because, "if they were innocent, they would not need a lawyer". so, sidney, since you are Nifong's mouthpiece, why don't you tell us all about your medical credentials....and, if you refuse, you must be hiding something....

Anonymous said...

I think all this talk about who set fire, who called the fire department, etc......while interesting.....is not the really telling point about Mangum's true character. She admitted setting the fire IN THE PRESENCE OF HER CHILDREN. That fact alone is enough to forever put a lie to the nonsense about her being "a good mother" or the "innocent mother of three". Bull Crap! As if that crime were not enough, please tell me how any reasonable thinking parent would EVER accept the notion of Mangum, while fleeing from the wild drunk stabbed Daye, ran past apartment doors and people.....and ran TO THE PLACE WHERE HER CHILD WAS. Mangum did not know, according to her, whether Daye was dead or in pursuit of her. I insist, sidney, that ANY PARENT WITH AN OUNCE OF RESPONSIBILITY AND CARE FOR HER CHILD, WOULD NEVER RUN TO THE VERY LOCATION WHERE HER CHILD WAS. That,sir, is totally without logic and demonstrates an immorality and lack of control that is clearly NOT responsible.
Twice now, that we know about, Mangum has put her children in direct danger....by HER OWN ACTIONS. Please stop with the bull about her being a good mother....that, folks, is a LIE.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:18 said: "If it had been minor(the fire), then why did the pro Crystal gang not say, Crystal lit the fire".......... I don't know who you mean by "the Crystal gang" but tacitly this is the sucessful approach that was taken by Crystal's Lawyer.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:18 said: "kenhyderal is a troll. Please do not feed the trolls".......... The real trolls here come from Liestoppers and from the Trial Lawyers conducting the avaristic, ongoing lawsuits. I am only a person trying to defend my friend.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You describe yourself as "I'm a senior citizen who believes that the state of North Carolina has harshly, excessively, and unjustly treated former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong."

You should have said:

I'm a senior citizen who wrongfully believes that the state of North Carolina has harshly, excessively, and unjustly treated former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong, because said "former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong," actually prosecuted innocent men who were falsely accused of rapin Crystal Mangum.

I do this because I believe the innocent men were Caucasians and the false accuser was black.

Anonymous said...

Your "friend" needs to be as far away from sidney harr as possible....that, kenny, is what your friend needs. Unforunately, harr preys on her like a rat on rotten cheese. Too bad. Let the whine begin.....

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I don't know who you mean by "the Crystal gang" but tacitly this is the sucessful approach that was taken by Crystal's Lawyer."

If you really did read the Liestoppers page which you cited, you would know the Crystal gang consisted of the J4N bunch and the so called Friends of Crystal Mangum.

You dodge the issue that there were no calls on liestoppers to have Milton Walker charged with obstruction of justice. Rather it was a description of how Crystal's supporters tried to intimidate him into taking the fall for the case and into committing perjury.

You don't like it when you have been exposed as a liar, do you?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The real trolls here come from Liestoppers and from the Trial Lawyers conducting the avaristic, ongoing lawsuits. I am only a person trying to defend my friend."

The "Liestoppers and from the Trial Lawyers (inaccurate statements redacted) lawsuits" are the true fighters for justice, who are fighting back against the idea that innocent Caucasian men should be convicted because they were falsely accused by a black woman.

If Crystal really is your friend, you are not helping her by encouraging her to believe her fantasies, that all her troubles are the result of a grand Caucasian conspiracy.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I don't know who you mean by "the Crystal gang" but tacitly this is the sucessful(sic) approach that was taken by Crystal's Lawyer."

You again dodge unpleasant truths(for you).

Before that "sucessful(sic) approach" was adopted the approach was:

Crystal admitting to the police that she set the fire.

Crystal then denying any knowledge of the fire.

SIDNEY HARR accusing an innocent man, a Durham Police Officer of setting the fire in order to frame Crystal for arson.

SIDNEY HARR saying the fire caused extensive smoke damage to the dwelling(which never would have happened if Crystal had not set the fire).

The fire department was called(which never would have happened had Crystal never set the fire).

The J4N/Friends of Crystal trying to intimidate an innocent man into committing perjury and taking the fall for the fire.

I doubt if all of this was presented to the court, which might explain how the "sucessful(sic) approach" was so successful.

Had a Canadian Court access to all this data, do you really think Crystal would have been let off with a rather light non-punishment?

You asked if I had any hope of you learning how to spell. This post shows there is no hope.

Anonymous said...

The truth is, Kenny, that the overwhelming majority of people in Durham and NC could give a hoot about Crystal Mangum and her so-called j4n gang of wingnuts. People here do not sit around and plot ways to destroy Mangum. She is in jail, awaiting trial, on charges of murder. All I care about, for her, is a fair trial, decent defense attorney, a jury of her peers, an honest judge and punishment, if warranted to fit a guilty verdict...or....freedom if she is found not guilty. Do you honestly think the entire justice system, the media, Duke University, Duke Hospital, the entire white community, every lawyer and judge in the state.....ALL just lather up at the prospect of lynching Mangum? Give me a break!

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 8:58 said: "The truth is, Kenny, that the overwhelming majority of people in Durham and NC could give a hoot about Crystal Mangum and her so-called j4n gang of wingnuts. People here do not sit around and plot ways to destroy Mangum. She is in jail, awaiting trial, on charges of murder. All I care about, for her, is a fair trial, decent defense attorney, a jury of her peers, an honest judge and punishment, if warranted to fit a guilty verdict...or....freedom if she is found not guilty. Do you honestly think the entire justice system, the media, Duke University, Duke Hospital, the entire white community, every lawyer and judge in the state.....ALL just lather up at the prospect of lynching Mangum? Give me a break"......... The majority of people in Durham would re-elect DA Nifong if given the chance. Crystal is in gaol on a vendetta prosecution. Every day since 2006 scurrilous and orchestrated personal attacks have been carried out against her; including by posters right here. Crystal has survived you bullies and she will be vindicated but, your crude and mean spiited attacks against their mother have been a real torture to Crystal's children. She needs to have her unconscionably delayed "day in court" to face these bogus charges. And Crystal needs advocates who have not bought into the filthy lies spread about her and her character.

Anonymous said...

I challenge how you would know whether voters would re-elect Nifong. On what basis do you make that assertion? I also challenge how you would know "every day attacks are made" etc. mangum is responsible for her own behavior. Nobody made her start a fire in her apartment, in front of her children. Nobody made her get herself into a mess with Daye and then scurry straight to the place where her child was staying. Nobody made her go to the LAX party. Mangum is responsible for her own choices. THAT, friend, is the key point. I, for one, believe she should get a fair trial and soon. Have you considered just how much delay has been caused by the intrusion of Harr? I also agree that Mangum needs and deserves "advocates"......the question is the nature, honesty and motives of the people who are using her and filling her head with terrible advice. True advocates and friends would have worked to raise her bail money AND would have worked to raise money for an attorney THEY thought credible. Unforunately neither of these priorities has been on harr's radar. You believe people here are somehow out to get Mangum. I say baloney. Her children deserve freedom FROM her criminal behavior until such time as she cleans up her act.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDEERAL:

"The majority of people in Durham would re-elect DA Nifong if given the chance."

That is a reflection of the racist nature of Duke's black electorate, who voted for DA NIFONG in the first place because they wanted innocent men wrongfully convicted of raping Crystal.

"Crystal is in gaol on a vendetta prosecution."

Only in your blatant unrepentant racist imagination>

"Every day since 2006 scurrilous and orchestrated personal attacks have been carried out against her; including by posters right here."

No there weren't. What you have heartburn about is that Crystal has been exposed as a criminal, false accuser and liar. Those are the result of her own choices, not any vendetta campaign."


"Crystal has survived you bullies and she will be vindicated but, your crude and mean spiited attacks against their mother have been a real torture to Crystal's children. She needs to have her unconscionably delayed 'day in court' to face these bogus charges."

Your idol SIDNEY HARR has been fighting to avoid Crystal having her day in court.

"And Crystal needs advocates who have not bought into the filthy lies spread about her and her character."

What do you call filthy lies? The truth is she is a criminal, she has been a prostitute. She has been proven to be a false accuser.

Maybe you are upset because Crystal, after being shown to have falsely accused men of rape, is no longer able to get clients?

Maybe you lament that she may have trouble finding a place to live. Who will rent to someone who admitted she started a fire in her boyfriend's apartment which resulted to a call to the Fire Department and which caused damage to her boyfriend's apartment. She has caused her own trouble.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:


"Every day since 2006 scurrilous and orchestrated personal attacks have been carried out against her; including by posters right here."

What do you call a "scurrilous and orchestrated personal attack"? Something like making it known that Crystal did set fire to Milton Walker's clothes and then denied any involvement in the fire?

Anonymous said...

The essential point here, once again, is that Mangum has to take responsibility for her own behavior. Who forced her to go to the lax party? who forced her to get into a fight with Walker? Who forced her to move in with Daye? To stay there once, as she claimed, she knew he was a violent drunk? Who forced her to lie about the LAX guys and rape? Who forced her, in 2002, to steal a man's car, drive like a maniac, get her third DUI, get her license suspended for the third time, and nearly run over an officer? Who forced her to pole dance?
SHE is responsible, Kenny. that is what people like you never seem to accept. it is always somebody else's fault. some conspiracy. some bunch of evil white oppressors. some corrupt attorneys. some bad teachers or neighbors or parents or bullies in the school yard.
stick a fork in it, kenny and sidney.

kenhyderal said...

Your post is a perfect example of my contention. Point by point.1. She was assigned by her employer 2 Walker attacked her.3 Because of the lies written about her she had trouble finding a place of her own to rent. 4 She stayed there so her children had an establishe home instead of camping with sympathetic friends. 5. Crystal was sexually assulted. 6. She did not steal the car. The keys were given to her. The intoxicated alledged victim later denied he has given her the keys. She was pulled over for driving over the speed limit and she blew over 0.8. She was not eluding the patrol car but, initially, she failed to see their flashing lights. She accidently entered an exit driveway. In attempting to back into a park she bumped into the approaching officer. He was unhurt. The suspended sentence and 3 weekends in gaol reflected the only serious crime she commited, driving over the limit. It is her only DUI. She does not have three. 7. Crystal chose to do exotic dancing to support her children and pay for her University and because her ex-husband was not providing the required child support.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 11:43 said: "The truth is she is a criminal, she has been a prostitute. She has been proven to be a false accuser" ......... Crystal has never been a prostitute. This is a slanderous lie diseminated by the LaX defence. That her accusation of sexual assault have been provem false is untrue.

Anonymous said...

Kenny you prove MY point perfectly. Everything is somebody else's fault. Read your post. It is an anthem to the professional victim mentality. Hilarious and pathetic, if it were not so disgusting.
We go by the Harr form of recounting records here. Therefore Mangum has all those charges on her record and it is not material whether they were dismissed, dropped, pled or whatever. Mangum has nine convictions. She has three DUIs and had three suspensions.

Anonymous said...

Your version of the 2002 incident is of no consequence. She got four convictions. And yes she has been selling it for years. She had five male samples in and on her ......none LAX guys. I would call that either selling it or just being realllllly friendly

Anonymous said...

So the big bad pimp made her go to the lax party?

Anonymous said...

Ok not a prostitute. But a criminal and a liar? Yep. I guess she just liked five men all at once. You'd need a scorecard to keep track of who she was doing.....

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Crystal has never been a prostitute. This is a slanderous lie diseminated by the LaX defence. That her accusation of sexual assault have been provem false is untrue."

Get used to it, KENNY. Crystal was a prostitute.

Let's go through this again. Crystal alleged she was brutally raped by multiple assailants who did not use condoms, who penetrated her and ejaculated on her. She alleged a brutal semen depositing rape. Forensic testing of the rape kit revealed no evidence of semen. Physical exam by Dr. Julie Manly showed no findings consistent with a brutal rape.

Ergo this definitively proves a rape did not happen. That Crystal claims it did happen is an unsupported allegation. That this does not buy into your presumption of guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian men is not significant.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Your post is a perfect example of my contention. Point by point.1. She was assigned by her employer"

To what are you referring?

"2 Walker attacked her."

"3 Because of the lies written about her she had trouble finding a place of her own to rent."

So you contend that the fact that she lit a fire in her boyfriend's apartment and then denied any knowledge of it would have any effect on potential landlords? I think you are incredibly stupid if you believed that. You already documented that when you said posts on Liestoppers called for Milton Walker to be prosecuted for obstruction of justice.

4 She stayed there so her children had an establishe home instead of camping with sympathetic friends.

"5. Crystal was sexually assulted."

What evidence is there that she was assaulted. You claim there is no evidence it did not happen, but that is utterly meaningless, even if it were true. However, the evidence generated did confirm a rape did not happen.

6. She did not steal the car. The keys were given to her. The intoxicated alledged victim later denied he has given her the keys. She was pulled over for driving over the speed limit and she blew over 0.8. She was not eluding the patrol car but, initially, she failed to see their flashing lights. She accidently entered an exit driveway. In attempting to back into a park she bumped into the approaching officer. He was unhurt."

Contemporary police records, made before Crystal ever became infamous as the Duke Lacrosse false accuser, document that Crystal was drunk, stole the keys, drove recklessly while drunk in an attempt to eluce the police, and did try to run down a police officer. Why don't you read those rather than Crystal's self serving so called book.

"7. Crystal chose to do exotic dancing to support her children and pay for her University and because her ex-husband was not providing the required child support."

Crystal started stripping in 2003, 3 years before she falsely accused innocent Caucasian men of raping her. She was a prostitute.

The word is assaulted, not "assulted". You are beyond any hope.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:


"2 Walker attacked her."

There was no evidence of that.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:21 said: "She had five male samples in and on her ......none LAX guys. I would call that either selling it or just being realllllly friendly"...... With only 2 of the samples identified by her consensual sexual history, was the remaining DNA extracted from sperm cells deposited by a gang rape?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"With only 2 of the samples identified by her consensual sexual history, was the remaining DNA extracted from sperm cells deposited by a gang rape?"

No.

Forensic evidence definitively showed that no rape, gang or other, occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

What evidence do you have that a semen depositing rape was perpetrated against Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"With only 2 of the samples identified by her consensual sexual history, was the remaining DNA extracted from sperm cells deposited by a gang rape?"

What that means is, contrary to what you claim, is Crystal did not reveal her full sexual history.

Anonymous said...

Right on kennyhyderal

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous asked @ 3:27 about my remark, She was assigned by her employer, and said ,"To what are you referring?"............ This was my response to a remark made by an anonymous poster who asked about Crystal, "Who forced her to go to the LaX party?" I don't know if he was blaming the victim here for what happened to her. It seems that way since he was pontificating that Crystal was the author of whatever misfortunes have been dealt to her.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"This was my response to a remark made by an anonymous poster who asked about Crystal, 'Who forced her to go to the LaX party?'"

Thank you for the clarification.

"I don't know if he was blaming the victim here for what happened to her. It seems that way since he was pontificating that Crystal was the author of whatever misfortunes have been dealt to her."

First off, Crystal WAS NOT victimized at the Lacrosse party. It has been proven that Crystal falsely accused Lacrosse players of raping her.

Crystal WAS the author of her own misfortunes. You would help her more by getting her to accept that rather than encouraging her to believe she is the victim of some non existent vendetta.

Crystal may have straightened herself out had she been held properly accountable for her auto theft/assault on a police officer episode. And she would not be so infamous now had she not lied about being raped.

Now you are going to say I am blaming the victim. Since there was no victim at the Lacrosse party, there can be no victim blaming.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

What FACTUAL, I say again FACTUAL, evidence do you have that anyone victimized Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

Crystal's allegations are not evidence. They are allegations.

Kilgo's information is not evidence. It is an allegation, a second hand allegation he passed off from an anonymous source.

Factual evidence would have been the presence of semen on the rape kit and findings on physical exam consistent with rape.

That sperm fraction m\DNA was found on the rape kit does not document deposition of semen on her person on the night of 13/14 March 2006, especially since it does not match any of those suspected of the rape. And it does not establish that unknown males at the party raped Crystal.

KENNY< put up or shut up.

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr has been confronted repeatedly about his deliberate distortion and misrepresentation of Reginald Daye's record. He refuses to correctly state that the charge of assault on a female was DROPPED. Therefore, many of us have elected to adopt his same style of reporting Mangum's record, i.e., making no clarification, no distinction about her record in any case where charges may have been dropped or reduced, etc. We will continue to make note of Mangum's record, including all charges......and will do so until sidney harr correctly and accurately notes that the single assault against a female "charge" was DROPPED.

Anonymous said...

Nobody forced Mangum to be a stripper. Nobody forced her to go to the LAX party. It is an INSULT to single mothers and working women for anybody to claim that the only job Mangum could get was grinding her pelvis on a pole. That is a crock. She was shacking up with Walker, got in a domestic with him, vandalized his car and set a fire (with her children there). Nobody forced her to key his car, damage the glass, attack him with a ladder. Nobody forced Mangum to shack up with Daye.
And nobody forced Crystal Mangum to tell LIES about being raped. Nobody.
I think Kenny is trying to be cute. He knows the definition of prostitution in NC involves penetration/intercourse for money. As far as I know, Mangum has never been charged with being a hooker. Therefore, she is not technically a prostitute. BUT....in the real world, folks, women who pole vault, strip, use a vibrator on themselves in front of "clients" in motel rooms.....have a paid driver to haul them to motels for "dates"......and have multiple male samples in and on them......are prostitutes.

Anonymous said...

Reading Hissy Fit's account of Mangum's behavior in 2002, I am reminded of a child's story about how a glass got broken in the kitchen. Well, I was going to get a cookie, and, uh, well, when I reached up, the light accidentially came on, and then, my sister hollered and I jumped and then I was trying to put the cookie back, and there was a bug and it ran into the cookie and I pushed it and the bug hit a glass and the glass fell and it broke-ed." THAT is Crystal Mangum!

Anonymous said...

If Mangum gets a pass on killing Daye and is released, then I wonder what the excuse will be for her next criminal offense. The devil made me do it?

Anonymous said...

"her next assignment?" Really, Kenny? Really? And, as a full grown woman, supposedly with a brain, supposedly not drunk on her ear......Mangum was not capable of checking out the situation and bailing? Really?
And she had no choice but to vandalize a man's car and start a fire? Really, kenny?
And, of course, when she shacked up with Daye and, according to her, the nice man who rubbed her feet and cared for her children, began to become a jealous wild man, she had no choice but to go to a party with him, get drunk with him? She had no options, like leaving? Please.
And, geez, Kenny, when she could have told the truth, she had no choice but to lie about being raped?
Wow, poor pathetic thing.......

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 2:21 said:'She had five male samples in and on her ......none LAX guys. I would call that either selling it or just being realllllly friendly'...... With only 2 of the samples identified by her consensual sexual history, was the remaining DNA extracted from sperm cells deposited by a gang rape?"

Check out the following URL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAyHdbUADsQ&feature=related

Crystal had male DNA from more than 5 males, DNA from multiple males in many sites.

Anonymous said...

Clarification:

I should have said it this way:



KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 2:21 said:'She had five male samples in and on her ......none LAX guys. I would call that either selling it or just being realllllly friendly'...... With only 2 of the samples identified by her consensual sexual history, was the remaining DNA extracted from sperm cells deposited by a gang rape?"

Check out the following URL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAyHdbUADsQ&feature=related

Crystal had male DNA from more than 5 males, DNA from multiple males in multiple sites.

Anonymous said...

oh, so now kenny is going to tell us that there was a "gang rape" at the LAX party......but none of the gang of rapists was a LAX player. It was a mysterious gang of at least five males (or more) who came in the house, held her up in the air, raped her, and then magically disappeared. And, of course, every single one of the LAX guys was willing to sacrifice three of the teammates to a lifetime of prison rather than disclose the identity of the mysterious gang rapists. wow, I can't wait for that theory!
Oh, and I forgot, of course..........Mangum, who KNEW it wasn't any of the LAX guys, and KNEW it was the mysterious gang of rapists, went along with the coverup, too, and identified the LAX guys, with certaintity....rather than expose the wild mystery rapists.
holy bat cape.

Anonymous said...

Good point, poster, with the youtube of Brad Bannon. In essence the lab report showed a minimum of five different male samples in and on Mangum. None of from any of the LAX players and/or the nonLAX players who were at the party. NONE.
Anybody who can say, with a straight face, that Crystal Mangum wasn't selling it, is either an idiot or secretly in love with the woman.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:08 said: "and then magically disappeared"........... That's right they all quickly scattered when they realized police would probably be coming; players and non-players alike. Police found a peaceful and darkened residence. So why in a matter of minutes did this wild party suddenly break up?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:08 also said: ..........Mangum, who KNEW it wasn't any of the LAX guys, and KNEW it was the mysterious gang of rapists.............. Crystal had no way of knowing who were Players and who were guests. The bogus photo line-up, she was subjected to only showed to her Players and it even included Players who were known not to be present. She was led to believe her assailants were present in the line-up. Her identificatin of Evans leads me to speculate he possibly may of had some involvement without leaving behind any DNA.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"That's right they all quickly scattered when they realized police would probably be coming; players and non-players alike. Police found a peaceful and darkened residence. So why in a matter of minutes did this wild party suddenly break up?"

I do not know why the party broke up and neither do you.

Check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gh8oGF4iXQ, a link to a you tube video which includes Kim Roberts/Pittman's 911 call. She alleged that someone at the house called her and her girlfriend "n----r", not that her girlfriend had been raped. It happened some time after they left the party. That was the call to the police. The Lacrosse team could not have known Kim Roberts/Pittman had called the police.

You are again misrepresenting facts, presuming a rape took place and that is why the Lacrosse team scattered. Why don't you present some factual evidence that a rape did take place instead of simply presumig?

Anonymous said...

Hilarious.....see.. we got the mystery gang rapists theory! you betcha.
Actually, the police came to the residence and fouond the tenants......the party had already started breaking up before the non-rape was supposed to have occured. ......Reade was long gone when he magically reappared and raped poor Crystal. Finnerty was gone, too, but I guess he teleported back.
Of course, Mangum clerely in cahoots with the LAX coverup of the mystery gang rapers, chose to falsely identify 20, 9, 6, finally 3 LAX guys as her attackers. And these three held her in the air, raped her, didn't use condoms and never left a sliver of their DNA in or on her. But, the entire LAX team, in cahoots with Mangum and the mystery rapists, chose to throw all three of their teammates under the bus.
Wow.........

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Crystal had no way of knowing who were Players and who were guests. The bogus photo line-up, she was subjected to only showed to her Players and it even included Players who were known not to be present. She was led to believe her assailants were present in the line-up. Her identificatin of Evans leads me to speculate he possibly may of had some involvement without leaving behind any DNA."

Why did Crystal say David Evans had a mustache. All photos of David Evans at the time show he never had a mustache. Later, Crystal changed her story and said it was 5 O'Clock shadow. That she changed her original story does not make her original story credible.

Again, your story that Lacrosse players assaulted Crystal has no facts to support it. What Kilgo may have told you is just an allegation, an allegation which he claims was made by some anonymous Lacrosse player.

If you were not approaching this case presuming guilt simply because the alleged perpetrators were well off Caucasian men, you would not be presuming guilt. You would recognize that Crystal's ID of David Evans was not reliable, that what Kilgo told you was unverifiable hearsay.

You again show how resentful you are of Caucasian men who are better off than you, more accomplished than you.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "
You again show how resentful you are of Caucasian men who are better off than you, more accomplished than you"............ You know nothing of my net-worth or of my accomplishments.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"
"Crystal had no way of knowing who were Players and who were guests. The bogus photo line-up, she was subjected to only showed to her Players and it even included Players who were known not to be present."

Here is something for you to ponder:

Crystal identified Brad Ross with 100% certainty as having been at the party. Brad Ross was not present at the party.

So how does that affect the reliability of Crystal's 90% certainty that David Evans was one of her assailants? Again, she said she was not 100% certain because her assailant had a mustache.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Why did Crystal say David Evans had a mustache. All photos of David Evans at the time show he never had a mustache. Later, Crystal changed her story and said it was 5 O'Clock shadow. That she changed her original story does not make her original story credible"............. Kilgo has said many times right on this blog that he has seen photographs of David Evans with a mustache.

Anonymous said...

well, golly gee, Kilgo said Evans had a moustache. wow, now we know for certain that Evans was a rapist. whooopeeee.
and, of course, the small matter of the absence of his DNA in or on her....well, heckiedern. and, of course, the small problem of not one single photo of Evans EVER having a moustache.....well, heckie dern on that one, too. There were photos taken inside the house that night....of the players and of the women. Evans is visible in one of the photos. No moustache. I guess he wore a fake one...sorta charlie chaplain-like...to mask his identity.
yep, good old brad ross magically appeared at the party.....even though he was not there. wheeeee!
funnier and funnier, and gee, of course, the LAX guys were quite willing to go along with the coverup of the mystery rapists.....and, as noted before, quite willing to dump their team mates in prison......
so, WHO were the mystery rapists, then? Linwood Wilson? Nifong? Sidney Harr? Kenny himself? How about Matt M?

Anonymous said...

Maybe one of Crystal's many admirers got pissed off that she was a working girl that night, followed her to the LAX party, snuck in (with three or four pals), raped her, and fled. The LAX team, seeing what transpired, all collectively decided that whoever she picked, would be sacrificed....and allowed to rot in prison. Not exactly sure why the team made this decision.....but holy cow.....that's what happened...in the world according to wingnut Kenny

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"You know nothing of my net-worth or of my accomplishments."

So if your net worth is so vast, post bail for Crystal.

Most men with significant accomplishments do not misrepresent facts the way you do, e.g. Dr. Julie Manly was an accomplished gynecologist, the Liestoppers page contained posts which called for Milton Walker to be prosecuted for obstruting justice.

Regardless of you net worth or accomplishments, you show yourself to be a blatant unrepentant racist by presuming innocent men guilty simply because of their race.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Kilgo has said many times right on this blog that he has seen photographs of David Evans with a mustache."

Kilgo has said! That is like a blind man saying, I saw the whole thing.

So why hasn't he copied them, printed them, and sent them to the authorities? The answer is, those photos, like his anonymous Lacrosse player do not exist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Kilgo has said many times right on this blog that he has seen photographs of David Evans with a mustache."

That means nothing, proves nothing unless Kilgo produces the photos, which he has not done over the course of almost 6 years.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Kilgo has said many times right on this blog that he has seen photographs of David Evans with a mustache."

That might be the truth if Kilgo got hold of some David Evans photos and then photoshopped in a mustache. If that is what he did, would you consider them evidence?

Since you are a blatant, guilt presuming, unrepentant racist, I thinkyou would.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:


"You know nothing of my net-worth or of my accomplishments."

That would be true if your net worth and accomplishments added up to nothing.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:


"You know nothing of my net-worth or of my accomplishments."

You seem to think you accomplished something when you presumed guilt guilt and then thought up up a totally implausible scenario in which a rape happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006. If that is true, then it shows your net worth to the world and your accomplishments do add up to nothing.

Anonymous said...

well, it being tuesday, sidney is probably at the pokey visiting Mangum. We will get yet another installment of "as the stomach turns", decrying the evil white oppressors who are scheming round the clock to frame Mangum. pass the Tums, please.....

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL, SIDNEY HARR:

Consider this from Quasimodo on the appropriately named Liestoppers, regarding Duke subpoenaing Professor KC Johnson:

"
These cases can't get anyone else to testify, but they can force KC to testify?

Where's the testimony from Mangum? From Nifong?..."

I repeat:

"Where's the testimony from Mangum? From Nifong?..."

It is indeed a valid question why Duke, defending itself in a multi million dollar lawsuit over the phony Duke rape case do not consider having the principal perpetrators of the hoax deposed.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Is Duke seeking out Kilgo? If the answer is no, that would be strong circumstantial evidence Duke does not consider Kilgo worthy of belief.

Anonymous said...

Yep, duke is going after Professor Johnson for one reason and one reason only.....he told the truth, all the way through....and THAT, folks, called out Brodhead, the reptilian gang of 88, the smarmy BOD and, all the rest of the PC Queens......

Anonymous said...

Sidney will no doubt give us his special edition of smackdown Johnson.....sidney has envy issues out the kazootie.
The 4th district latest piece by Johnson is a good read.
Johnson = class act, great writer, full of integrity, excellent research, and honesty to burn.
Harr = bozo the bigot

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous Said: "So if your net worth is so vast, post bail for Crystal".............. No, I do not have "vast wealth"; nor are any assets, I do possess, situated in the U.S.A. I am one of what Dr. Harr would describe as the 99%. I again reiterate, though, for me to bail out Crystal would require, not just a non-refundable $20,000.00 but also an unencumbered, attachable asset such as real estate, located in America that is worth $200,000.00. The $20,000.00, to my knowlege, has already been raised or nearly so. Setting bail for $200,000.00 (originally it was set at $1,000,000.00) insures very few of the so called American "47%" can post a bail of this size. Such a bail, though, was "peanuts" to the three Duke LaX son's of privilige, two of which, like Crystal were not guilty. Bail bonds that insure the poor stay locked up pre-trial and the rich "walk out" create a system of selective justice based on class. When you combine this with no right to a speedy trial, there in North Carolina, all chance for justice goes out the window.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous Said: "So if your net worth is so vast, post bail for Crystal".............. No, I do not have "vast wealth"; nor are any assets, I do possess, situated in the U.S.A. I am one of what Dr. Harr would describe as the 99%. I again reiterate, though, for me to bail out Crystal would require, not just a non-refundable $20,000.00 but also an unencumbered, attachable asset such as real estate, located in America that is worth $200,000.00. The $20,000.00, to my knowlege, has already been raised or nearly so. Setting bail for $200,000.00 (originally it was set at $1,000,000.00) insures very few of the so called American "47%" can post a bail of this size. Such a bail, though, was "peanuts" to the three Duke LaX son's of privilige, two of which, like Crystal were not guilty. Bail bonds that insure the poor stay locked up pre-trial and the rich "walk out" create a system of selective justice based on class. When you combine this with no right to a speedy trial, there in North Carolina, all chance for justice goes out the window."

When you say only of the Lacrosse team were not guilty you again misrepresent facts. The entire Lacrosse team was INNOCENT because the crime three of their number were indicted for did not happen.

You are dodging my challenge, which is not surprising for someone who distorts facts wholesale. Provide a factual basis for your belief that Crystal was raped. I say again, a FACTUAL basis. Conjecture and speculation, especially totally non credible conjecture and speculation, are not facts.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: When you say only of the Lacrosse team were not guilty you again misrepresent facts. The entire Lacrosse team was INNOCENT because the crime three of their number were indicted for did not happen"....................... Huh?? Re-read my post.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: When you say only of the Lacrosse team were not guilty you again misrepresent facts. The entire Lacrosse team was INNOCENT because the crime three of their number were indicted for did not happen"....................... Huh?? Re-read my post."

Why?

It would not change the fact that there was no rape perpetrated against Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006. It would not change the fact that the entire Lacrosse team was innocent. It would not change the fact that you misrepresent the facts.

You are dodging the issue again - what factual basis do you have to justify your belief that Crystal was raped?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Such a bail, though, was "peanuts" to the three Duke LaX son's of privilige, two of which, like Crystal were not guilty."

What kind of peanuts have you been inhaling. The figure of $400,000 is not peanuts for anyone. Combine it with the millions of dollars the families had to spend to defend their innocent sons against Crystal's not only false but also non credible allegations of rape.

I say again, in spite of expressing your racially motivated hatred for the innocent, falsely accused Caucasian Lacrosse players, provide a factual basis for your belief that Crystal was raped. Thus far, you haven't even come close.

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kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @3:48 said: "What kind of peanuts have you been inhaling. The figure of $400,000 is not peanuts for anyone. Combine it with the millions of dollars the families had to spend to defend their innocent sons against Crystal's not only false but also non credible allegations of rape.......................
For the two innocent Players charged, Seligmann and Finnerty, their subsequent civil suit more then covered their legal fees and besides they never spent a single day in prison. I hope and pray that Crystal will also one day get compensation for the anguish of being falsley charged but also for her wrongful imprisonment and for the pain and suffering to her of being taken away from her children and the hurt caused them by being separated from their Mother.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"For the two innocent Players charged, Seligmann and Finnerty, their subsequent civil suit more then covered their legal fees and besides they never spent a single day in prison. I hope and pray that Crystal will also one day get compensation for the anguish of being falsley charged but also for her wrongful imprisonment and for the pain and suffering to her of being taken away from her children and the hurt caused them by being separated from their Mother."

In other words, you believe it was OK for Crystal to falsely accuse the Innocent Lacrosse players of raping her because they were eventually exonerated. Your Freudian racist slip is again showing.

As for Crystal, you would help her more by having her accept her responsibility for her dysfunctional actions instead of encouraging her to believe she is the victim of a non existent vendetta.

Meanwhile, provide a FACTUAL, I repeat FACTUAL basis for your belief that Crystal had been raped. So far you have shown you can not.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I add, your statement that Kilgo saw pictures of David Evans with a mustache is actually confirmation that David Evans had no mustache.

As David Evans was indicted for raping Crystal, as well for perpetrating a sexual assault upon and kidnapping her, as it was proven that no such crimes had ever occurred, David Evans was, as AG Cooper said, innocent.

It takes more than the opinion of a guilt presuming, blatant unrepentant racist to create doubt about that fact.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDEAL:

Finally, your faith in Kilgo, an anonymous source who has relayed to you information from another anonymous source, shows you do not have any intellectual capacity to recognize propaganda, let alone effectively promulgate it.

Anonymous said...

This was from the appropriately named Liestoppers. I think it is a singularly appropriate description of how the Duke phony rape case imploded:

"Crystal's crazy statement became part of the public record. The railroading crystalized for all to see."

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 11:19 PM 10-16-12 said: "In other words, you believe it was OK for Crystal to falsely accuse the Innocent Lacrosse players of raping her because they were eventually exonerated. Your Freudian racist slip is again showing".............
Identifying her possible assailants from a flawed police photo line-up does not constitue a false accusation.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL, SIDNEY HARR:

What factual basis is there to believe Crystal Mangum was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Identifying her possible assailants from a flawed police photo line-up does not constitue a false accusation."

Wherever it came from, saying innocent men raped you is a false accusation. That it came from a flawed lineup is evidence that Crystal was not a credible accuser, especially after she claimed a clean shaven man, a man who had always been clean shaven, had a mustache when he allegedly raped her.

Another duck from KENHYDERAL. I repeat the challenge. What factual basis do you have to believe Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Identifying her possible assailants from a flawed police photo line-up does not constitue a false accusation."

Then explain why Crystal's identification of David Evans in said flawed lineup should have been credibility, especially after she claimed he had a mustache when he raped her and did not.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Identifying her possible assailants from a flawed police photo line-up does not constitue a false accusation."

KENHYDERAL actually expects us to believe he has the intellectual capacity to distinguish fact from propaganda. HUH!!!

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 11:22 10-16-12 said: "It takes more than the opinion of a guilt presuming, blatant unrepentant racist to create doubt about that fact" ....... It takes more then the opinion of an innocence proclaiming, politically compelled, AG to determine difinitively the non-culpability of every LaX Player

Anonymous said...

Correction:

KENHYDERAL:

"Identifying her possible assailants from a flawed police photo line-up does not constitue a false accusation."

Then explain why Crystal's identification of David Evans in said flawed lineup should have been considered credible enough to justify indictment, especially after she claimed he had a mustache when he raped her and did not.

Further, if the lineup was flawed, why were Crystal's identifications used to justify the indictment of all three innocent, falsely accused Caucasian men?

Why does your idol, SIDNEY HARR, say that Crystal's identification justified DA NIFONG's wrongful prosecution of said innocent Caucasian men?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "What factual basis is there to believe Crystal Mangum was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006?"............ As is quite often the case in sexual assaults only circumstantial evidence.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"It takes more then the opinion of an innocence proclaiming, politically compelled, AG to determine difinitively the non-culpability of every LaX Player".

First of all, AG Cooper investigated the three wrongfully indicted Caucasian men, not the whole team. What he said about innocence concerned only the said wrongfully indicted men.

His belief was based on a thorough investigation into the case, which included interviews with Crystal, which DA NIFONG neglected. Therefore it is valid.

The guilt presuming opinion of a blatant unrepentant racist who hates Caucasians who are wealthier and more accomplished than he is, is invalid under any and all circumstances.

You again duck the challenge, to provide a FACTUAL basis for your belief that Crystal Mangum was raped.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

""What factual basis is there to believe Crystal Mangum was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006?"............ As is quite often the case in sexual assaults only circumstantial evidence."

So you admit you have no FACTUAL basis for your belief that Crystal was raped. What circumstantial evidence do you have?

I say again, Crystal's allegations are allegations, not evidence.

Kilgo's allegations are not evidence. They are an unidentified source relaying allegations by some other identifying source. No way that would qualify as evidence, circumstantial or otherwise.

Four facts from the case are:

1) Crystal alleged a semen depositing rape.

2)Crystal alleged a brutal beating(where have we heard that again?).

3) Forensic testing of the rape kit did not detect the presence of semen on any of the rape kit materials, which definitively rules out a semen depositing rape.

4) Dr. Julie Manly's exam of Crystal did not reveal findings either of rape or of a brutal beating.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

It takes more then the opinion of an innocence proclaiming, politically compelled, AG to determine difinitively the non-culpability of every LaX Player".

KENHYDERAL says the opinion of the AGwho did a thorough investigation of the case, is not valid.

I point out, again, KENNY's information comes from Crystal, herself. What establishes her as non credible is that in an improperly conducted lineup procedure set up to cause her to identify Lacrosse players as perps, she could not reliably identify anyone. Because it was an improperly conducted lineup, KENNY says her unreliable allegations of rape made against innocent men did not add up to false accusations.

KENNY's further information comes from Kilgo, who is basically anonymous and whose credibility can not be established. Kilgo's information comes fom another anonymous source whose credibility can not be determined.

KENNY then says, in effect, his information outweighs the information obtained by AG Cooper.

KENNY then thinks he has shown enough intellectual capability to distinguish between truth and propaganda.

HUH!!!???

kenhyderal said...

Your points three and four are not "facts" but slanted interpretations of the evidence being passed off as facts.

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kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:36 said: "KENNY then thinks he has shown enough intellectual capability to distinguish between truth and propaganda" ............ I think I have the intellect to distinguish propaganda when it's fed to me but it seems almost impossible for me to convince those, here, who do not know Crystal and who have bought into the cleverly crafted Duke LaX defence strategy which, with extraordinary zeal, set about to discredit her. For those who know her it simply doesn't work.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Please stop whining.
We gave some credence to your posts when you led us to believe that you were just some Canadian who had chanced on this blog.
As Crystal's bosom buddy, you are no more credible than she is, i.e., not at all.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Your points three and four are not 'facts' but slanted interpretations of the evidence being passed off as facts."

They are facts. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the nose.

Forensic testing did rule out the occurrence of a rape.

Dr. Julie Manly, who examined Crystal, did not find anything consistent either with rape or a brutal beating.

kenhyderal said...

I repeat: "Those, here, who do not know Crystal (-and who) have bought into the cleverly crafted Duke LaX defence strategy, which, with extraordinary zeal, set about to discredit her. For those who know her it simply doesn't work." Neither Crystal or I were aware of this blog until I stumbled upon it. Why do you believe people who know Crystal, personally, instead of through what they have been fed, by bloggers intent on tearing her down, have no credibility?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said:Forensic testing did rule out the occurrence of a rape"......... Not definitively possible.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I think I have the intellect to distinguish propaganda when it's fed to me but it seems almost impossible for me to convince those, here, who do not know Crystal and who have bought into the cleverly crafted Duke LaX defence strategy..."

First, you do not have the capability to think.

Second there was no "cleverly crafted Duke LaX defence strategy". The Duke Lacrosse players were falsely accused of a crime which did not happen and their attorneys discredited the false accusations(and the false accuser).

Third, you can not convince people who post here that you can differentiate between propaganda and truth because they ARE able todiscern between the real truth and the propaganda you pass off as truth.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said:Forensic testing did rule out the occurrence of a rape"......... Not definitively possible.".

To you, maybe.

However, that is because you are a blatant, unrepentant racist who presumes guilt. You also can not distinguish between truth and propaganda.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"

I repeat: "Those, here, who do not know Crystal (-and who) have bought into the cleverly crafted Duke LaX defence strategy, which, with extraordinary zeal, set about to discredit her."

Here you again show your inability to distinguish between truth and propaganda. There was no "cleverly crafted Duke LaX defence strategy" and Crystal discredited herself.

"For those who know her it simply doesn't work."

That is because they, like you, are guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racists who presume guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian men.

"Neither Crystal or I were aware of this blog until I stumbled upon it."

So say you, who can not discern between truth and propaganda.

"Why do you believe people who know Crystal, personally, instead of through what they have been fed, by bloggers intent on tearing her down, have no credibility?"

I do no believe "people who know Crystal, personally" because they deny the obvious truths and believe in their self generated propaganda. The so called "bloggers intent on tearing her(Crystal) down" were and are intent on defending innocent men falsely accused of raping Crystal. If Crystal gets hurt by that, well she could have avoided it by not falsely accusing the innocent Caucasian men.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Tell us what definitively rules in that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/`4 March 006

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Dr. Julie Manly, who examined Crystal, did not find anything consistent either with rape or a brutal beating" ........."Medical records and interviews that were obtained by subpoena revealed the victim had signs, symptoms and injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally. Furthermore, the SANE nurse stated the injuries and her behavior were consistent with a traumatic experience” (C 189). The NTO application, which became public and ignited the media firestorm, placed decisive emphasis on Levicy’s statements (C 205) to justify the unprecedented order for all the lacrosse players (except for a black team member) to submit to DNA testing and photographs.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:45 said: "Tell us what definitively rules in that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/`4 March 006" Nothing definitive only strong circumstantial evidence. A trial in which Dr. Manley gave evidence would have been helpful

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: There was no "cleverly crafted Duke LaX defence strategy" ...... There was and there still is, thanks to the greedy ongoing lawsuits. A good example is the inaptly names Liestoppers Blog that, for many years, has daily dedicated itself to building up the Duke LaX Players and tearing down Crystal

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: 'Dr. Julie Manly, who examined Crystal, did not find anything consistent either with rape or a brutal beating' ........."Medical records and interviews that were obtained by subpoena revealed the victim had signs, symptoms and injuries consistent with being raped and sexually assaulted vaginally and anally."

Where does it say what the specific injuries were. Nowhere.

"Furthermore, the SANE nurse stated the injuries and her behavior were consistent with a traumatic experience” (C 189)."

According to guidelines for a SANE, a SANE is not supposed to say "injuries and her behavior were consistent with a traumatic experience" but is supposed to note only specific injuries. Tara Levicy was not a SANE but a SANE in training. She did not note any specific injuries.

"The NTO application, which became public and ignited the media firestorm, placed decisive emphasis on Levicy’s statements (C 205) to justify the unprecedented order for all the lacrosse players (except for a black team member) to submit to DNA testing and photographs."

The NTO's "decisive emphasis on [uncredentialed inexperienced SANE in training} statements was completely improper. It indicated a guilt presuming attitude on the part of the DA's office. I repeat, the SANE is not supposed to make those kinds of statements. The SANE is to document specific injuries. The SANE in training documented no specific injuries. Ergo, her statement was legally meaningless."

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Nothing definitive only strong circumstantial evidence. A trial in which Dr. Manley gave evidence would have been helpful".

I asked you to specify what the circumstantial evidence was. You did not.

To anyone but a guilt presuming unrepentant racist, it was obvious there was no evidence to justify taking the case to trial. You can not give any.

Dr. Julie Manly would have to testify that there were no findings to rule in rape or severe trauma. Had she not done so, she would have been asked to read from the record of the physical exam she compiled, and that would not have made any case for rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: 'There was no "cleverly crafted Duke LaX defence strategy'. There was and there still is, thanks to the greedy ongoing lawsuits. A good example is the inaptly names Liestoppers Blog that, for many years, has daily dedicated itself to building up the Duke LaX Players and tearing down Crystal"

You again show you are incapable of distinguishing between truth and propaganda. If you could, you would not be spewing out propaganda and trying to pass it off as truth.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

If you knew anything about NTOs in North Carolina, you would recognize the NTO requiring all Caucasian members of the Lacrosse team to give samples of DNA and have photographs was improper. NC law requires that whoever requests an NTO must have probable cause to suspect the subjects of the NTO are suspects. In all her rambling Crystal never accused the entire team of assaulting her. There was no probable cause to believe the entire team participated in the alleged sexual assault.

That the DA's office cited the improper actions of SANE in training Tara Levicy shows only that the DA's office was on a guilt presuming witch hunt.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

In other words, the Durham DA's office requested an obviously improper NTO. Is that what you call "strong circumstantial evidence" that a rape had happened?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:


"Your points three and four are not facts' but slanted interpretations of the evidence being passed off as facts."

What do you call your interpretation of the forensic testing of the rape kit, Crystal alleged a semen depositing rape. Testing of the rape kit revealed no evidence of semen, but semen must have been deposited because sperm fraction DNA was recovered from her person.

That presumes that said DNA was deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006. The best you can do to justify your presumption of a fact not in evidence is a dodge - the rape kit testing does not prove that the DNA was not deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

I bet that is what you call strong circumstantial evidence of a rape. That is not evidence of a rape, circumstantial or otherwise.

You would realize that if you were capable of discerning between truth and propaganda.

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