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The mainstream media has consistently shoved down the throats of the masses that Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser, is the liar who fabricated false charges against three Duke student/athlete/partygoers in March 2006. This false-accuser moniker that the media has affixed to Mangum relies only upon the words uttered from the mouth of North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper on April 11, 2007, during his “Promulgation of Innocence” for the Duke Lacrosse defendants. Unprecedented in the history of juris prudence for an attorney general to proclaim “innocence” or “guilt” when in the process of dismissing charges, Mr. Cooper not only stated that the boys (from families of power, prestige, and privilege) were innocent, but that “nothing happened.”
The media, of course, grabbed this tasty morsel and ran with it… just like Magic back in the day directing a full court press. The media went to extremes to mislead the public into believing that Cooper’s pronouncement was as legally binding as if it were handed down from the U.S. Supreme Court. Truth be told, the innocence proclamation was meaningless as the attorney general belongs to the executive branch of government and not judicial. The media is aware of this, but continues to write that the boys were exonerated… playing one of the state’s biggest Jedi mind-tricks on the gullible and trusting Tar Heelians, statewide.
While proclaiming the boys’ innocence, the media was in overdrive demonizing and vilifying Crystal Mangum by characterizing her as a prolific and pathological liar whose sexual assault accusations were made for the purpose of bringing grief to innocent young men from lives of privilege. A.G. Roy Cooper noted that there were inconsistencies in her story, and dismissed the charges and sealed the case forever. (Duke University wasted no time in clandestinely razing the scene of the crime on Buchanan Street, as if by doing so it would erase the disgraceful event that took place there.)
Per its usual methodology in Duke Lacrosse related stories, the media failed to get Crystal Mangum’s side of the story. Interviews with CNN and other news network programs scrubbed them without broadcast because Ms. Mangum presented herself well and credible… this did not fit in with the image of her that they wanted to depict to the world. Soledad O’brien was one of the interviewers of Mangum… an interview which was left on the cutting room floor.
As a result of the biased, selective, skewed, and one-sided reporting by the media, the unenlightened masses have had forced upon them a negative and derogatory image of this single African American mother of three. (The same abhorrent treatment dished out to former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong who was unceremoniously disbarred and who was forced to resign from the position at which he honorably served with uncommon professional integrity and courage.) Mainstream media assertively discredits Mangum’s sexual assault claims in the Duke case without knowledge to back it up… nothing other than Cooper’s statement that her stories were “inconsistent.”
From an objective view, it is not unrealistic to acknowledge that some statements made after such a traumatic experience could change after sufficient time from the incident to reflect upon what had transpired… clarity borne of the unveiling of painfully suppressed memories. Definitions of “rape” vary legally amongst different states, with North Carolina’s being one of the more restrictively interpreted… and this misconstrued meaning could lend itself to “inconsistencies” by Ms. Mangum. The fact is that it is not all that uncommon for any victim of a traumatic crime to present versions of the event that contain subtle and nonspecific differences. Because absolute consistency in the retelling of an event may be missing, one can not assume that it is an intentional act for the purpose of deception.
Specifically in Ms. Mangum’s 2006 Duke Lacrosse case, I believe misinterpretation of the legal definition of rape was a factor contributing to possible inconsistencies, but other than that, I am not aware of discrepancies referred to by A.G. Cooper during his promulgation.
The bigger lie?
Now lets compare truthfulness of the inconsistencies of Mangum’s 2006 narratives to Dr. Clay Nichols’ Autopsy Examination Report on Reginald Daye, dated April 14, 2011.
Which is the bigger lie? I unequivocally submit that the proven lies contained within the medical examiner’s autopsy report are bigger, more blatant, and far more egregious than any non-consistent misstatement that Ms. Mangum made related to the Duke case.
Dr. Nichols lies about the findings during the autopsy and gives a false and unsupported conclusion about the cause of death with major omissions. First the false findings, and there are many:
1. A laceration (perforation) to the left lower lung. There is no such documentation within the medical records including the autopsy report. There exists no evidence of radiological evidence that the left lung was punctured as the chest x-ray showed no pneumothorax (air in the left thoracic cavity). Also, no mention of any lung lesion or repair, or even a thoracic surgeon consult in the operative report;
2. A laceration to the diaphragm. There is no such mention of a lesion to the diaphragm or any repair in the operative report;
3. A laceration to the fundus of the stomach. This is false as the operative report states, “the stomach pancreas is without injury.” This is in stark contradiction to the report by Dr. Nichols which states, “sutures are identified around the fundus of the stomach.” How is that possible?
4. A laceration to the left kidney. Dr. Nichols stated in his report that the left kidney held sutures, whereas the operative report makes no mention of suturing the left kidney. The operative report reads, “The kidney bed was explored, but no evidence of bleeding was found.” Again, there is no mention of a lesion to this organ or any repair with suturing; and
5. “Multiple minor scabbed over lesions and minor contusions which may represent defensive injuries are found running from essentially the left biceps to the left wrist.” This is contrary to the preoperative orthopedic consult report by Steven A. Olson, M.D. who wrote, “There are no appreciable lacerations or skin breaks in the visualized areas of his 4 extremities.” Not only that, but the onsite EMS report on Daye reads with respect to his left upper extremity: “Assessed with not abnormalities.”
These discrepancies (or “inconsistencies”) in Dr. Nichols’ report prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the April 14, 2011 Autopsy Examination Report which was the basis for the first degree murder charge against Crystal Mangum is fraudulent… and it doesn’t require a medical degree or training to figure that out; just a fifth grade reading comprehension level.
The conclusion that Reginald Daye died from complications of a stab wound to the chest is not supported by Dr. Nichols in his report. He provides no nexus showing how the non-fatal stab wound which was successfully treated by a trauma surgical team at Duke University Hospital (with a postoperative prognosis for a full recovery) led to Daye’s demise. Instead, he conveniently omits any mention of the true predisposing factors and incidents that precipitated Daye’s untimely and unexpected death. In particular, there is no mention of the fact that Daye was an alcoholic, in the setting of a stuporous blood alcohol level of 296 mg/dL… groundwork for alcoholic withdrawal. Despite prophylactic treatment with sedatives, Daye lapsed into delirium tremens which required his transfer to the Surgical Intensive Care Unit. No mention by Dr. Nichols. In the SICU, Mr. Daye vomited after introduction of an oral contrast agent via a nasogastric tube. To protect his airway, he was intubated, but tube placement in the esophagus instead of the trachea (confirmed by a negative EtCO2) resulted in a cardiac arrest. No mention by Dr. Nichols. With CPR and replacement of the endotracheal tube, this time with proper placement in the airway, the heart was resuscitated and began beating spontaneously, but the brain cells had been without oxygen for too long and resulted in Daye being in an irreversible comatose state. No mention by the medical examiner. After a week of observation on life support without sign of neurological improvement, Daye was removed from life support and he died. No mention about this in the autopsy report by Dr. Nichols.
The fact that the autopsy report used to charge Ms. Mangum with murder was fraudulent in its findings and unsupported in its conclusion were made evident to the media after the mid-August 2011 release of the report and in early 2012 after Daye’s medical records were reviewed by Sidney B. Harr. Despite the fact that Harr was a retired physician, the mainstream media ignored his claims that the autopsy report tendered by Dr. Nichols contained fabrications and falsehoods. Specifically, he tried unsuccessful to get WRAL-5 News (which professes to have an interest in confronting issues of injustice [i.e., its documentary about the wrongly incarcerated Gregory Flynt Taylor titled, “6,125 Days”]) to at least look into his claim, however the station ignored him… just like other media contacted by Harr. No investigation would be forthcoming that would look into an alleged criminally false medical examiner’s autopsy report used as a basis for a murder charge to put an innocent Crystal Mangum in jail for the rest of her life (as a vendetta for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case).See letter to Jim Goodmon
The media was consumed in trying to get a hold of the personal cell phone records of former University of North Carolina football coach Butch Davis to see what dirt it could dig up on him, his former assistant John Blake, and the Tar Heel football players who had parking tickets excused. When it came to a possible wrongdoing against the media-produced pariah Crystal Mangum, mainstream media lacked incentive to investigate… mainly because they had no desire to have any story that might garner an ounce of sympathy for Mangum to reach the public’s eyes or ears. Mainstream media knew of the wrongdoing against Mangum and it was their intention to keep it hidden from the people. See letter to ABC-11
On September 27, 2012, I reluctantly hand-delivered a letter to the North Carolina Medical Board for Executive Director R. David Henderson. It contained a formal complaint against Dr. Clay Nichols regarding his falsified autopsy report of April 14, 2011, which was the foundation for the murder charge against Ms. Mangum. I was not seeking to have sanctions or punitive measures taken against him as I considered Dr. Nichols to be another victim of the Carpetbagger Jihadist Agenda against everyone considered by the Powers-That-Be to be on the wrong end of the Duke Lacrosse case. No doubt, Dr. Nichols had been aware of the cruel and ruthless actions taken by the state and media against Mr. Nifong when he refused to follow the 2006 game plan and dismiss charges against the Duke Lacrosse defendants. So, I believe that he was forced to concoct the phony autopsy report to enable Durham prosecutor Kelly Gauger to charge her with murder.
The reason that I filed the complaint against Dr. Nichols was to inform the Medical Board of the fraud committed by one of their licensed practitioners. Because of the protective reporting by the media, Judie Clark, the Director of Complaints, told me that she was unaware of this controversial issue. In addition, I had hoped that the Board’s director or other official would provide a written document on their stationery stating that the Autopsy Examination Report on Reginald Daye that was submitted by Dr. Nichols contained numerous errors and misstatements, and should not be given legal consideration. I explained that such a statement of facts would go a long ways towards the release from confinement an innocent mother of three. My reasonable humanitarian plea was rebuked by the Medical Board, citing regulations that did not authorize such actions as producing such a letter. In other words, the North Carolina Medical Board would rather see an innocent woman remain locked up in a Durham County jail cell rather than write a simple paragraph stating that factual discrepancies in an autopsy report should be disregarded in any legal process.See letter to R. David Henderson
Summary
To recap, the mainstream media repeatedly refers to Crystal Mangum as a “false accuser” based solely upon the word of the state’s attorney general that there were “inconsistencies” in her Duke Lacrosse related story.
Proven discrepancies between Dr. Nichols’ autopsy report and medical records factually discredit his report which is the underpinning of the state’s murder charge against Crystal Mangum and the media turns a blind eye and sticks its head in the sand… no curiosity about the truthfulness and accuracy of Nichols’ autopsy report on Daye… no attempt to investigate this criminally fraudulent document used to trump up the murder charge against Mangum.
Dr. Nichols is not referred to as a liar even though his report is nothing more than prevarication upon which no statement can be considered to be honest.
Prosecutors Kelly Gauger and Charlene Coggins-Franks, who conspired with Dr. Nichols to trump up the murder charge against Mangum, are not scrutinized by the media for their misdeeds and malfeasances.
Crystal’s defense attorney Woody Vann does his best to keep hidden the truth about the autopsy report by instructing the defense expert witness Dr. Christena L. Roberts not to produce a written report about her findings regarding Daye’s death and autopsy report.
Dr. Christena Roberts refuses to accept any correspondence from Crystal Mangum which is seeking to have a report about Daye in writing.See letter from Mangum to Dr. Christena Roberts
And the North Carolina Medical Board goes through the motions in pretending to follow up on the complaint filed by Harr.
Bottom line is that Dr. Nichols produced the fraudulent autopsy report because he lacked Nifong the professional integrity and courage to do the right thing… even in the face of dire and unforeseen consequences. The example the state and media made of Mike Nifong for his independent course in the Duke Lacrosse case which contradicted the one demanded by the Powers-That-Be was not lost on Medical Examiner Nichols… and he towed the line as instructed, even though it included dishonesty and criminal activity. The fact that Dr. Nichols publicly stood by his false autopsy report is highly indicative that the Powers-That-Be are standing behind him with promises that he will not be held liable for his part in the framing of Ms. Mangum for murder in Daye’s death.See news article about Dr. Nichols
So, which is the bigger lie? Alleged inconsistencies by Mangum regarding a possible assault during a bacchanalia hosted by the Duke lacrosse student/athlete/partygoers, or a proven fraudulent autopsy report used as the basis for a murder charge in a vendetta prosecution? I submit that any reasonable person with full knowledge of the facts and an objective mind would agree that the bigger lie is that by the state of North Carolina in its persecution of Crystal Mangum, and the mainstream media for its collusion in the cover-up of the state’s reprehensible acts.
487 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 487 Newer› Newest»"She [Dr. Roberts] should've written a report and Mangum should have had access to it or seen it long before now"
I think Dr. Roberts has written a report. As I have explained to you numerous times (why you fail to understand is beyond me), Woody Vann was well within his scope of practice to keep certain information from Crystal Mangum. I would agree that now that she is representing herself, any and all information should be given to her.
How that information is shared may be problematic, however....Let's assume a bunch of the documentation is in electronic format. How's Crystal going to review that from jail?
SIDNEY HARR:
From http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Federal+Rules+of+Evidence
"U.S. Courts of Appeals; (4) the U.S. Claims Court; (5) U.S. bankruptcy courts and U.S. magistrates. Although the rules do not specify whether they apply to the U.S Supreme Court, that Court has applied the rules as if they do. Pursuant to Executive Order, military courts-martial are required to apply rules of evidence that substantially conform to the Federal Rules of Evidence. Executive Order No. 12473. However, the Federal Rules of Evidence do not generally apply to administrative agencies."
It would seem Federal Rule of Evidence 702 is not applicable to someone being held for trial in a state court.
SIDNEY HARR:
"As reprehensible and disgusting as some of the posts may be, I think it is crucial that everyone, even low-life scumbags, be allowed to say what's on their minds. Keep in mind that what they say is a reflection upon them."
KENHYDERAL is the author of this post supposedly signed by Malek Williams.
So you think KENNY your acolyte is a "low-life scumbag".
Very Interesting.
Anonymous @ 11:29 said: "How about you lay out all the evidence you have that Crystal was raped"....... I have all the evidence I need from what Crystal has told me. I also note that DA Nifong thought there was sufficient evidence for him to indict. Of course, given the vulnerability of the victim, a botched police investigation that, for instance, led to charges being laid against two Players with alibis and given the availability of a "dream-team" of high-power Lawyers who quickly saw they could discredit the victim and the DA, thus preparing the ground-work for some lucrative civil suits, Crystal got no justice. Not only did she suffer the trauma of a sexual assault but the ongoing lawsuits have insured that these lawyers and their Duke LaCrosse clients are continuing to discredit her, far and wide, with lies and inuendo. This has made life especially difficult for her and also for her children. I also take as evidence the findings of Nurse Levicy, who was also a victim of a smear campaign to discredit her and also that of Dr. Manley. As evidence that Crystal was drugged I take note of the affadavit of her driver about her lack of impairment when he dropped her off and of the many witnesses that observed her to be impaired soon after she was given a drink.
Anonymous @ 1:21 said: "KENHYDERAL is the author of this post supposedly signed by Malek Williams"..........
Dr. Harr as host of this blog knows that is not the case.
"The NC State Bar's Authorized Practice Committee met on Wednesday the 24th and addressed my case in their quarterly meeting. I tried to find the outcome online, but was unable to find anything on the media or State Bar sites. If you come across the Bar's decision, I would appreciate if you could give me enlightenment about it."
Sid -- it looks like the investigation is complete on your case and the Bar was supposed to make a decision. David W. Long (a partner at Ponter Spruill) was the committee Chair.
My assumption is that you could contact him for more information.
Anonymous @ October 26 1:17 pm:
"It would seem Federal Rule of Evidence 702 is not applicable to someone being held for trial in a state court."
The Federal Rules of Evidence and the North Carolina Rules of Evidence parallel one another, and many of the rules are the same, including parts of rule 702.
Where the State Rules of Evidence differ from the Federal is in the sections of 702 regarding medical malpractice tort deform (sections b thu h).
" David W. Long (a partner at Ponter Spruill) was the committee Chair."
Make that "Poyner Spruill"
Sid:
This blog is a waste of time and effort.
Criticism of the autopsy report should not be your focus. Medical expertise is required to judge between competing medical conclusions. Most people (and most journalists) do not have this expertise.
You will lose a public debate with Nichols. The biased media have characterized you as a crackpot. Brainwashed readers do not believe you.
The autopsy does not address other charges. Even if Crystal is not responsible for Daye's death, she could face assault charges and a long prison sentence.
You must focus on self-defense.
You must direct all efforts to obtain the photographs you promise show Crystal's horrific injuries. If not available, take legal action. Guiowen is correct: if a conspiracy controls the NC legal system, contact Eric Holder ASAP.
The photographs are Crystal's best hope.
kenhyderal said...
Anonymous(signing as Malek Williams) wrote: "His smug righteousness disgusts me. He betrayed Crystal"
......Who's side are you on Malek? Crystal doesn't think I betrayed her. Kilgo is not my "inter-net buddy" I only know him by way of this blog. He made an anonymous donation towards Crystal's bail in her arson charge. The money raised became unnecessary when a bail bond company Hammond and Hammond posted her bail pro bono. The money was then passed on to Crystal to assist her. I note you have done nothing to raise funds for her present bail. As I pointed out to you, without intending to be smug or righteous, the way you are going about supporting Crystal, unintentionally or not, is playing into the hands of her detractorts such as KHF Supporter.
kenhyderal, Crystal told me she has no idea who you are. It's clear to me you are a fraud who likes to draw attention to himself.
Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996
Sid -- It sounds like you already know, but the NC State bar is seeking an injunction to stop you from filing any more documents with the court.
“Proven discrepancies between Dr. Nichols’ autopsy report and medical records factually discredit his report…”
False. There are no “proven discrepancies” only your opinion, which is not shared by any other medical expert.
“Dr. Nichols is not referred to as a liar even though his report is nothing more than prevarication upon which no statement can be considered to be honest.”
Sid – Here is a statement from the report of investigation:
“Mr. Daye was a 46-year-old gentleman who, per conversation with Durham Police Officers Bond and West, was reportedly stabbed in the flank at 3:15 an on April 3 201[1]”
From the autopsy:
“Received is the body of a well developed, well nourished black male appearing compatible with the stated age.”
Do you consider these statements dishonest?
Anonymous posting as Malek Williams said: "kenhyderal, Crystal told me she has no idea who you are"....... No she did not. This is an outright lie. What is your motive for creating mischief here?
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 11:29 said: "How about you lay out all the evidence you have that Crystal was raped"....... I have all the evidence I need from what Crystal has told me."
What Crystal might have told you were allegations. Allegations are not evidence.
"I also note that DA Nifong thought there was sufficient evidence for him to indict."
No he did not. So he conducted the improper lineup procedure to manufacture evidence. Crystal identified two men who were not at the party at the time of the alleged crime. She said her third assailant had a mustache. However she identified David Evans who never had a mustache.
"Of course, given the vulnerability of the victim...",
Crystal was not a victim.
"a botched police investigation"
If you mean that no attempt to identify the source of the male DNA found on Crystal, no one knew that male DNA, which did not match any of the accused, was found until December of 2006. DA NIFONG concealed that discovery.
"that, for instance, led to charges being laid against two Players with alibis and given the availability of a 'dream-team' of high-power Lawyers"
You again imply that the indicted Duke Lacrosse players were not entitled to representation by counsel.
"who quickly saw they could discredit the victim and the DA,"
What enabled said lawyers to discredit the false accuser and the DA were 1) forensic testing of the rape kit definitively established that no rape had occurred, and 2) DA NIFONG withheld exculpatory evidence from the defendants.
"thus preparing the ground-work for some lucrative civil suits"
You again imply that the defendants submitted to wrongful prosecution in order to have a cause of action to file a high dollar value lawsuit. They would not have had any cause of action had DA NIFONG not wrongfully prosecuted them in the first place.
"Crystal got no justice."
No she did not. Justice would have been a prosecution for filing a false police report. Instead she received mercy.
"Not only did she suffer the trauma of a sexual assault"
You have presented no evidence that she suffered a sexual assault>
"but the ongoing lawsuits have insured that these lawyers and their Duke LaCrosse clients are continuing to discredit her, far and wide, with lies and inuendo."
The lawsuits do not mention Crystal. They are directed at the City of Durham, the Durham Police Department, and corrupt unethical DA NIFONG.
"This has made life especially difficult for her and also for her children."
Crystal is responsible for the choices she made, including her choice to accuse innocent men of raping her.
"I also take as evidence the findings of Nurse Levicy"
Tara Levicy did not examine Crystal and therefore found nothing.
"who was also a victim of a smear campaign to discredit her and also that of Dr. Manley."
Tara Levicy discredited herself by telling the police there were findings consistent with rape, something a trained SANE would never do. Tara Levicy was to document specific physical findings and she did not.
No one tried to discredit Dr. Julie Manly. The only thing I have discredited was your misrepresentation of her, first as an experienced gynecologist and then as an experienced ER physician. She did the physical exam and recorded no findings consistent with rape.
KENHYDERAL(continued):
"As evidence that Crystal was drugged I take note of the affadavit of her driver about her lack of impairment when he dropped her off and of the many witnesses that observed her to be impaired soon after she was given a drink."
You ignore the statements of the Lacrosse players who said that Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the house. No crime had happened, so no one at the party had anything to be self serving about. Crystal admitted drinking two 22 ounce cans of beer and taking flexeril before she arrived at the party. It has not been established as fact that Crystal was not impaired when she arrived at the party. The preponderance of evidence is that she was impaired.
It has not been established as fact that she became impaired shortluy after being given a drink. Kim Roberst said that Crystal spilled her drink, and then took sips from her(Kim's) drink.
You have not established as fact that the players had access to Chloral Hydrate, the drug you allege was the date rape drug, a drug which is not widely available and not easy for anyone without a background in chemistry to synthesize.
All you have presented is 1) misrepresentation of facts 2) speculation arising from your presumption of guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian men and 3) conjecture based on said presumption of guilt.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 1:21 said: "KENHYDERAL is the author of this post supposedly signed by Malek Williams"..........
Dr. Harr as host of this blog knows that is not the case."
SIDNEY also says a carpetbagger jihad exists. SIDNEY has demonstrated he really does not know anything.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous posting as Malek Williams said: "kenhyderal, Crystal told me she has no idea who you are"....... No she did not. This is an outright lie. What is your motive for creating mischief here?"
I say you are incapable between distinguishing between outright lies and rock solid truth.
Anonymous @ 8:42 said: "She (Dr.Manley) did the physical exam and recorded no findings consistent with rape"..... Difuse vaginal edema is consistent with a rape but not it's specific for a rape. This fact allowed reasonable doubt to come into play. Often reasonable doubt is unreasonable. "If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit"
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 8:42 said: 'She (Dr.Manley) did the physical exam and recorded no findings consistent with rape'..... Difuse vaginal edema is consistent with a rape but not it's specific for a rape. This fact allowed reasonable doubt to come into play. Often reasonable doubt is unreasonable. "If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit"
KENHYDERAL, you again show you are a guilt presuming unrepentant racist(does that make the count 150?). Reasonable doubt comes into play when it comes into determining whether the accused are guilty. It is not legally relevant that there is reasonable doubt as to their innocence. Doubt as to innocence, reasonable or otherwise does not establish guilt(except in the mind of a guilt presuming racist - make that 151).
Besides, the doubt is to whether the finding of diffuse vagina edema in this case indicated rape. Crystal admitted performing with a vibrator for a client before she went to the party. Diffuse vaginal edema is also indicative of a lot of sexual activity, and it was documented that Crystal was sexually active, the finding by DNASI that Crystal had DNA from multiple non-lax males on multiple areas of her person.
Dr. Manly's other findings were of old, minor injuries, not of a brutal beating.
The phrase, "If the glove doesn't fit you must acquit" in this case meant the facts showed that the allegations of rape were not as substantial as the glove.
Well done, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant rapist KENHYDERAL(make that 152).
KENHYDERAL:
"Often reasonable doubt is unreasonable."
That is tantamount to saying a jury may convict in the face of reasonable doubt. The principle of proof of guilt beyond reasonable doubt(which is a fundamental principle of the Canadian legal system) clearly states that if there is reasonable doubt as to a defendant's guilt, the court must acquit.
What makes reasonable doubt unreasonable in the alleged rape of Crystal Mangum?
You have admitted you have no factual, evidentiary basis to believe that Crystal was raped. Are you saying your belief that Crystal was raped makes reasonable doubt in this case unreasonable?
If that is true, you are showing you are unreasonable.
kennyhyderal, you're my hero
Ken: Your obsession with Crystal seems a little unhealthy.
Ken: I also note that DA Nifong thought there was sufficient evidence for him to indict.
I trust that you also believe that Crystal's 2010 and 2011 indictments are evidence that she committed first degree felony arson and murder, respectively.
KENHYDERAL:
The Presumption of Innocence, which is a Principle of the Canadian Justice system of which you are so proud, indicates it is no way reasonable to presume anyone guilty. I must therefore change my evaluation of you. You are an unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist.
Incidentally, from Wikipedia, "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (also known as The Charter of Rights and Freedoms or simply the Charter, French: La Charte canadienne des droits et libertés) is a bill of rights entrenched in the Constitution of Canada. It forms the first part of the Constitution Act, 1982.
The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms spells out what the presumption of innocence means. The Constitution of the United States pre dated said Charter by almost two hundred years.
Could it be that Canada derived its definition of Presumption of Innocence from the United States?
KENHYDERAL:
Also from Wikipedia:
"The Canadian Charter bears a number of similarities to the European Convention, specifically in relation to the limitations clauses contained in the European document. Because of this similarity with European human rights law, the Supreme Court of Canada turns not only to the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES)emphasis added) case law in interpreting the Charter, but also to European Court of Human Rights cases.
KENHYCERAL:
Your reference to the glove that doesn't fit is a reference to the OJ Simpson murder trial.
One difference between the OJ Simpson case and the Crystal Mangum case, which I have already pointed out, is that there was evidence of a crime in the former. There was no evidence of a crime in the latter(you have provided no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise).
Another difference is, after OJ's acquittal in criminal court, relatives of the crime victims established in civil court that OJ was liable, i.e. for the death of the victims. Crystal has never gone to court to establish that the innocent Duke defendants raped her. All she has done is make her allegations and then retreated away from any discussion of them.
Do not say Crystal could not have retained a lawyer. If she had a real case to present, a lot of experienced trial lawyers would have represented her on a contingency fee basis.
Nicole and Goldman did not survive their assault. The Brown and the Goldman families had public sympathy. Simpson's acquittal didn't depend on his "dream team" attacking the character of these survivors. They had more resources then Crystal does and that was bolstered by strong support from a sympathetic public.
KENHYDERAL:
Nicole and Goldman did not survive their assault. The Brown and the Goldman families had public sympathy. Simpson's acquittal didn't depend on his "dream team" attacking the character of these survivors. They had more resources then Crystal does and that was bolstered by strong support from a sympathetic public.
How does that establish that you have any evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that a crime was perpetrated against Crystal?
I say again, if Crystal could have made a case for rape, she would have had the services of many trial lawyers working on a contingency fee basis. Do you think the lawyers for the Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman worked pro bono?
Why did Willie Garry bail on her?
Here is one persons view of the American Justice System. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu_E4q_AMG0
KENHYDERAL:
"Nicole and Goldman did not survive their assault. The Brown and the Goldman families had public sympathy. Simpson's acquittal didn't depend on his "dream team" attacking the character of these survivors. They had more resources then Crystal does and that was bolstered by strong support from a sympathetic public."
The lawyers for the innocent Lacrosse players did not attack Crystal's character. They discredited her as a false accuser, which was entirely appropriate since there was no crime committed.
KENHYDERAL:
"Here is one persons view of the American Justice System. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu_E4q_AMG0"
From Wikipedia:
"[Conrad] Black was convicted in U.S. District Court in Chicago on July 13, 2007 and sentenced to serve 6.5 years in federal prison and pay Hollinger $6.1 million, in addition to a fine of $125,000.
Black was found guilty of diverting funds for personal benefit from money due Hollinger International, and of other irregularities. The embezzlement occurred when the company sold certain publishing assets. For example, in 2000, in an arrangement that came to be known as the "Lerner Exchange," Black acquired Chicago's Lerner Newspapers and sold it to Hollinger.[40] He also was found guilty of obstruction of justice.
So a convicted felon does not like the US Justice system. So?
You criticize the NC Justice system, not because there are injustices but because it would not allow corrupt DA NIFONG to wrongfully convict innocent men of a non-existent crime.
In your last post, you again failed to present any evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that a crime was perpetrated against Crystal.
KENHYDERAL:
What would a Canadian Court think of the findings of Dr. Julie Manly physical exam of Crystal, diffuse vaginal edema, which I concede could be the result of a rape but could also be the result of other things, like a very active sex life? DNASI testing of the rape kit did confirm that Crystal had a very active sex life.
Would a Canadian Court say that it established beyond a reasonable doubt that a rape had occurred?
Would a Canadian Court ever say there are circumstances which render reasonable doubt unreasonable?
Correction(I have already explained why I post corrected comments):
KENHYDERAL:
Nicole and Goldman did not survive their assault. The Brown and the Goldman families had public sympathy. Simpson's acquittal didn't depend on his "dream team" attacking the character of these survivors. They had more resources then Crystal does and that was bolstered by strong support from a sympathetic public.
How does that establish that you have any evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that a crime was perpetrated against Crystal?
I say again, if Crystal could have made a case for rape, she would have had the services of many trial lawyers working on a contingency fee basis. Do you think the lawyers for the Brown and Goldman families worked pro bono?
Why did Willie Garry bail on her?
KENHYDERAL:
Are there any Americans convicted of a felony in a Canadian court? Do they think highly of the Canadian justice system.
Have you ever been convicted of a felony in an American court? Is that why you are down on the American Justice System?
Note, that is a question.
KENHYDERAL:
From Willie Garry's web site:
"Attorney Willie E. Gary earned his reputation as “The Giant Killer” by taking down some of America’s most well-known corporate giants on behalf of his clients. He has won some of the largest jury awards and settlements in U.S. history, including more than 150 cases valued in excess of $1 million each. Gary’s amazing success has earned him national recognition as a leading trial attorney."
Do you think Willie Garry works pro bono for all those clients for whom he has won large judgments?
Willie Garry did confer with the Mangum family then left. Would he have done that if he had a case he could make?
Why did Willy Garry bail on Crystal?
Anonymous: How about you lay out all the evidence you have that Crystal was raped.
Haven’t you been paying attention?
Ken has repeatedly provided his evidence:
1. Crystal alleged she was raped.
2. Kilgo alleged he has a friend who alleged he saw the rape.
3. Crystal provided a history of her sexual activities.
4. Comments made by Levicy and Manly and findings of diffuse vaginal edema.
5. Actions taken by the defense to discredit Crystal and Nifong.
In support of this extensive evidence, Ken has provided his analysis.
Crystal’s inability to remember any details can be explained by a date rape drug. Her driver's statement supports that. Conflicting statements must be ignored due to self-interest. Because she was not tested, one cannot prove she was not drugged. As a result, all inconsistencies in her allegations can be ignored and one must focus on the general allegation.
Levicy stated that Crystal's demeanor was consistent with her allegation. Although the results of the SANE exam did not support the allegation, one cannot prove that Levicy's comment cannot be true. Diffuse vaginal edema could have been the result of a rape so one cannot state that the SANE exam proved that a rape could not possibly have occurred.
Manly told the defense attorneys that she assumed a whitish material was semen, but did not test for it. Because Nifong and the DPD did not interview Manly, we do not know what she would have said if they did so. One cannot prove that she would not have supported the allegation.
DNA from multiple males was found in and on Crystal. The ability to date DNA can be unreliable. NCSBI may have made an error when they found no semen. The SANE was incomplete. As a result, one cannot prove DNA was not deposited on the night of the party.
The DPD made no bona fide attempt to investigate the alleged rape. Although they had lists of attendees from the captains, these lists may be incomplete. The DPD made no attempt to verify completeness. Nifong and the DPD did not attempt to match the DNA. As a result, one cannot prove the sources of the DNA were not unidentified attendees at the party.
The DNA does not match Crystal’s admitted sexual partners. Because it has not been matched and the DPD made no attempt to verify her activities, one cannot prove she provided an incomplete list. As a result, one cannot prove the DNA was not the result of a rape at the party.
The failure of 40+ players to identify the culprits can be explained by team loyalty, even though the rapists were not players. The failure to do so by the three defendants (who faced long potential prison terms) can be explained by the fact that sometimes people do not act in their best interest. Because the DPD did not investigate, one cannot prove that 40+ players did not cover up a brutal crime committed by mystery rapists.
Finally, the defense attorneys released information to discredit Crystal and Nifong. Because attorneys whose clients have something to hide have used this tactic, one cannot prove that the defendants did not have knowledge of a rape by the mystery rapists and use this tactic to hide this knowledge.
In summary, Ken’s case consists primarily of an allegation from an inconsistent complaining witness and a supporting allegation from a pseudonymous commenter that another pseudonymous commenter has an anonymous source, supported by innuendo. Because the DPD conducted no real investigation and errors may have been made, one cannot prove these allegations cannot possibly be true. As a result, Ken concludes the allegations are credible.
I hope this is helpful.
Are kenhyderal and Kilgo the same person?
KHF Supporter said: "In summary, Ken’s case consists primarily of an allegation from an inconsistent complaining witness and a supporting allegation from a pseudonymous commenter that another pseudonymous commenter has an anonymous source, supported by innuendo. Because the DPD conducted no real investigation and errors may have been made, one cannot prove these allegations cannot possibly be true. As a result, Ken concludes the allegations are credible"........ Just one correction; Kilgo the pseudonymous commenter's anonymous source, he alleges, is a Duke LaCrosse Player that was present at the Party and who claimed, to him, that he was a direct witness to a sexual assault on Crystal
Anonymous said: "Are kenhyderal and Kilgo the same person"....... Kilgo is a Duke Alumni. I have never been to North Carolina. Again Dr. Harr, as this blog's host, can confirm that I am not Kilgo, the irreverent person who used to post here nor am I that mischief maker Malek Williams.
Anonymous said: "Why did Willy Garry bail on Crystal" ......... In due course the Trial Lawyers are going to be falling all over themselves to take on Crystal's case. As Dr. Harr so frequently proclaims, "Mark my words".
Kenhyderal said:
"I have never been t North Carolina."
So tell us again how you and Crystal got to be bosom buddies?
kenhyderal said...
"......... In due course the Trial Lawyers are going to be falling all over themselves to take on Crystal's case. As Dr. Harr so frequently proclaims, "Mark my words".
Please describe Crystal's "case" to which are you referring.
@ KHF Supporter: One other consideration. A negative test for the presence of semen means almost nothing. Semen is physiologic fluid that dissapates quickly. It differs from other bodily fluids only in it has a higher concentrations of PSA. If DNA extracted from sperm was found then regardless of any negative test for semen one knows that as the vehicle for sperm it had been present. Of course the defense is going to hang their hat on the negetive test and proclaim no rape could have occured because of this negative test. A prosection could have brought in an Expert Witness to negate the presumptive value of this test.
Anonymous @ 2:35 said: "Please describe Crystal's "case" to which are you referring"............... A case of wrongful prosecution for capital murder. If the perpetrators of the sexual assault on her can, at some point, be charged and convicted then she would have grounds for a civil suit against them. This of course would depend on new evidence being developed such as the witness Kilgo spoke of coming forward.
Guiowen said: "So tell us again how you and Crystal got to be bosom buddies" ......... Crystal has not spent her entire life in North Carolina. Lets say "fate brought us together"
Anonymous @ 10:04 said: "Have you ever been convicted of a felony in an American court".... I have never been convicted of a felony or of a misdemeanor in any jurisdiction in the world. Not even a speeding or a parking ticket.
kenhyderal said
"A case of wrongful prosecution for capital murder. If the perpetrators of the sexual assault on her can, at some point, be charged and convicted then she would have grounds for a civil suit against them. This of course would depend on new evidence being developed such as the witness Kilgo spoke of coming forward."
Bahahahahahaha. You are a complete idiot. There's no getting around it.
kenhyderal said...
"Crystal has not spent her entire life in North Carolina. Lets say "fate brought us together"
In the same way that fate has brought Crystal together with hundreds of men?
KENHYDERAL:
"Just one correction; Kilgo the pseudonymous commenter's anonymous source, he alleges, is a Duke LaCrosse Player that was present at the Party and who claimed, to him, that he was a direct witness to a sexual assault on Crystal".
That does not change the fact that Kilgo is an anonymous unverifiable source who is citing another anonymous unverifiable source. That is hardly evidence that Crystal was raped.
KENHYDERAL:
"Kilgo is a Duke Alumni. I have never been to North Carolina. Again Dr. Harr, as this blog's host, can confirm that I am not Kilgo, the irreverent person who used to post ,,,"
Correction:
Kilgo is the person who bragged he knew more about the Duke Case but never showed he knew anything about the phoney Duke rape case, which makes him an unverifiable anonymous source.
KENHYDERAL:
"One other consideration. A negative test for the presence of semen means almost nothing."
Another KENHYDERAL misrepresentation of facts.
"Semen is physiologic fluid that dissapates quickly."
What is tested for is Acid Phosphatase. Even if semen dissipates rapidly, Acid Phosphatase is left behind. A positive test for Acid Phosphatase means a 97% chance that Semen is present. When the SBI crime lab tested the rape kit, it tested negative for Acid Phosphatase.
"[Semen] differs from other bodily fluids only in it has a higher concentrations of PSA."
Again, PSA remains after Semen dissipates. DNASI tested for PSA. Presence of PSA is considered a sensitive reliable test for Semen. The test DNASI conducted was negative for PSA, which to anyone other than an unreasonable guilt presuming unrepentant racist, definitively rules out the presence of Semen.
"If DNA extracted from sperm was found then regardless of any negative test for semen one knows that as the vehicle for sperm it had been present."
It indicates that sperm, ergo Semen, was present at one time. You have claimed there was a 48 hour window during which sperm could have been deposited. Crystal alleged the Semen depositing rape happened early in the morning of 14 March 2006. That would mean that sperm could have been at any time from early morning 12 March 2006. That sperm fraction male DNA does not establish that it was deposited on the morning of 14 March 2006. Ergo it is not evidence of rape occurring early in the morning of 14 March 2006.
"Of course the defense is going to hang their hat on the negetive test and proclaim no rape could have occured because of this negative test. A prosection could have brought in an Expert Witness to negate the presumptive value of this test."
No they could not. Most witnesses with the credentials to testify about the test would testify that the negative tests for semen ruled out semen deposition definitively. Most likely, the expert you dream of is non existent, just like Kilgo's imaginary Lacrosse player.
Why did DA NIFONG not hire an expert to deal with the negative forensic evidence rather than just discard it? That is circumstantial evidence that DA NIFONG believed the negative tests were valid.
KENHYDERAL:
"Guiowen said: 'So tell us again how you and Crystal got to be bosom buddies' ......... Crystal has not spent her entire life in North Carolina. Lets say "fate brought us together"
Crystal spent a stint in the US Navy during which she was not living in North Carolins.
It seems you do not know Crystal as well as you claim.
KENHYDERAL:
"I have never been convicted of a felony or of a misdemeanor in any jurisdiction in the world. Not even a speeding or a parking ticket."
So why do you feel the same way about the US Justice system as convicted felon Conrad Black?
KENHYDERAL:
"A case of wrongful prosecution for capital murder. If the perpetrators of the sexual assault on her can, at some point, be charged and convicted then she would have grounds for a civil suit against them."
The woman who charged Dominick Strauss-Kahn with rape is proceeding with a civil suit against him, in spite of the fact that the charges were dropped. The Goldman and Brown families successfully sued OJ Simpson in spite of the fact that he was acquitted.
"This of course would depend on new evidence being developed such as the witness Kilgo spoke of coming forward."
Kilgo's anonymous unverifiable source has not come forth in over 6 years. That is strong circumstantial evidence that said witness does not exist.
Even if some witness came forth more than 6 years after the alleged crime, the fact that he had not come forth in over 6 years is strong circumstantial evidence against his credibility.
KENHYDERAL:
"......... In due course the Trial Lawyers are going to be falling all over themselves to take on Crystal's case. As Dr. Harr so frequently proclaims, "Mark my words".
Your words have been marked on several occasions and you are havve an average grade of FFFFF minus.
KENHYDERAL:
"KHF Supporter said: "In summary, Ken’s case consists primarily of an allegation from an inconsistent complaining witness and a supporting allegation from a pseudonymous commenter that another pseudonymous commenter has an anonymous source, supported by innuendo. Because the DPD conducted no real investigation and errors may have been made, one cannot prove these allegations cannot possibly be true. As a result, Ken concludes the allegations are credible"........ Just one correction; Kilgo the pseudonymous commenter's anonymous source, he alleges, is a Duke LaCrosse Player that was present at the Party and who claimed, to him, that he was a direct witness to a sexual assault on Crystal".
This is an admission you have no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to support your claim that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
If the case had gone to court in Canada where, you say, the prosecutors are not corrupt, there would have been no prosecution. The case would have been dismissed when the forensic evidence came back definitively ruling out a semen depositing rape.
KENHYDERAL:
"If the perpetrators of the sexual assault on her can, at some point, be charged and convicted then she would have grounds for a civil suit against them."
Like Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player and other figments of your imagination like the competent Dr. Harr and Crystal the rape victim, "the perpetrators" do not exist. You have given no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise that they do exist.
Even in an improperly conducted lineup rigged so that Crystal could identify perpetrators, she identified three men who were clearly not perpetrators.
KENHYDERAL:
"@ KHF Supporter: One other consideration. A negative test for the presence of semen means almost nothing. Semen is physiologic fluid that dissapates quickly. It differs from other bodily fluids only in it has a higher concentrations of PSA. If DNA extracted from sperm was found then regardless of any negative test for semen one knows that as the vehicle for sperm it had been present. Of course the defense is going to hang their hat on the negetive test and proclaim no rape could have occured because of this negative test. A prosection could have brought in an Expert Witness to negate the presumptive value of this test."
You again show you have no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that Crystal was raped. If you did you could present something other than the same old untenable arguments.
And you claim new evidence will come forth to show that Crystal was raped.
KENHYDERAL:
Crystal did accuse members of the Lacrosse team of raping her, which is why DA NIFONG ordered the improper lineup.
That she could not reliably identify any Lacrosse player as an assailant is strong circumstantial evidence which says Crystal was not raped or sexually assaulted by any Lacrosse player on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
Which again raises the question, what credible reason do you have to believe the Lacrosse team witnessed a rape by non Lax players and then covered up for them to the extent of allowing three of their own to be falsely indicted?
KENHYDERAL:
"Nicole and Goldman did not survive their assault. The Brown and the Goldman families had public sympathy. Simpson's acquittal didn't depend on his "dream team" attacking the character of these survivors. They had more resources then Crystal does and that was bolstered by strong support from a sympathetic public."
Crystal initially had a tremendous amount of public support. She lost it because it was definitively shown that no crime had happened, that Crystal had made false allegations, and that DA NIFONG tried to frame the defendants.
KENHYDERAL:
"Kilgo is a Duke Alumni."
The proper term would be a Duke Alumnus.
That is, if Kilgo really did attend Duke and graduate from Duke. At this point Kilgo is nothing but an unidentifiable unverifiable anonymous source.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous said: 'Why did Willy Garry bail on Crystal' ......... In due course the Trial Lawyers are going to be falling all over themselves to take on Crystal's case."
Which means that you can not or will not address the issue, why did Willie Garry bail on Crystal.
That Crystal could not retain a contingency fee hungry individual like Willie Garry is strong circumstantial evidence Crystal did not have a case.
KENHYDERAL:
I said:
It indicates that sperm, ergo Semen, was present at one time. You have claimed there was a 48 hour window during which sperm could have been deposited. Crystal alleged the Semen depositing rape happened early in the morning of 14 March 2006. That would mean that sperm could have been at any time from early morning 12 March 2006. That sperm fraction male DNA does not establish that it was deposited on the morning of 14 March 2006. Ergo it is not evidence of rape occurring early in the morning of 14 March 2006."
I add, the sperm fraction male DNA came from men other than the men Crystal accused of raping her. That is strong circumstantial evidence that Crystal was not raped.
kenhyderal said...
"Crystal has not spent her entire life in North Carolina. Lets say "fate brought us together"
In the same way that fate has brought Crystal together with hundreds of men?
Right on kennyhyderal you sly dog
kenhyderal said...
"Crystal has not spent her entire life in North Carolina. Lets say "fate brought us together"
Hey Kenny, were you the one who got her drummed out of the Navy?
Naughty boy!
@ Guiowen : I served in the Canadian Armed Forces (honorably discharged) and spent time at the U.S. Naval Air Station at Whidbey Island and the Kitsap U.S. Naval Base near Bremerton Washington
Anonymous @5:15 said: "In the same way that fate has brought Crystal together with hundreds of men?" ...... Yeah and not always for a good outcome. Like for example with the 46 Duke LaCrosse Players and their half dozen or so party guests some of whom, with false pretenses, took advantage of her chance presence at their party. That time fate dealt her a cruel blow.
Anonymous @ 4:49 said: That Crystal could not retain a contingency fee hungry individual like Willie Garry is strong circumstantial evidence Crystal did not have a case"....... When the truth comes out Garry will be lining up with all the other fee hungry trial lawyers wanting to represent Crystal in a civil lawsuit. Maybe the case will be so strong that she could again represent herself.
Anonymous @ 4:06 said: "That sperm fraction male DNA does not establish that it was deposited on the morning of 14 March 2006. Ergo it is not evidence of rape occurring early in the morning of 14 March 2006"............ Nor is it evidence that it was not deposited then.
KENHYDERAL:
"Like for example with the 46 Duke LaCrosse Players and their half dozen or so party guests some of whom, with false pretenses, took advantage of her chance presence at their party. That time fate dealt her a cruel blow."
Again you misrepresent the facts. Not all 46 Caucasian Lacrosse players(all of whom were named a suspects via the NTO) were at the party, e.g. Brad Ross who Crystal identified with 100% certainty as having been at the party.
It has been established as fact that only two non Lax players attended the party. The finding of DNA from multiple males on multiple areas of Crystal's person does not establish that unknown assailants attended the party, since it was definitively shown that no DNA was deposited on her the night of 13/14 March 2006.
No one lured Crystal to the party. The people who arranged for strippers asked for "White" strippers. They did not ask for Crystal. As you have said, Crystal was assigned by her escort agency to go.
No one took advantage of her at the party. You insist on that even though you can provide no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that anyone took advantage of her at the party. This only shows you are an unreasonable, guilt presuming, blatant unrepentant racist(I believe that is 3 times for your new description).
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 4:06 said: 'That sperm fraction male DNA does not establish that it was deposited on the morning of 14 March 2006. Ergo it is not evidence of rape occurring early in the morning of 14 March 2006'............ Nor is it evidence that it was not deposited then."
So?
You can not provide any evidence, circumstantial or otherwise that it was.
In spite of your unreasonable, guilt presuming, blatant unrepentant attitude(4), forensic testing of the rape kit definitively showed the rape Crystal alleged did not happen.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 4:49 said: 'That Crystal could not retain a contingency fee hungry individual like Willie Garry is strong circumstantial evidence Crystal did not have a case'....... When the truth comes out Garry will be lining up with all the other fee hungry trial lawyers wanting to represent Crystal in a civil lawsuit. Maybe the case will be so strong that she could again represent herself."
The truth is already out. No one raped Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
KENHYDERAL:
" A prosection could have brought in an Expert Witness to negate the presumptive value of this test(the negative test for semen on the rape kit)."
The only presumption that can be made is that a positive test for acid phosphatase is presumptive evidence of the presence of semen and indicates further testing.
What is the presumptive value of a negative test? In the face of a negative test for acid phosphatase and a subsequent negative test for PSA, how could your hypothetical prosecution expert prove a rape did occur?
Remember, even in the Canadian Justice system, the prosecution has the obligation to prove the case. The defense has no obligation to disprove the case when the prosecution can not prove it.
KENHYDERAL:
Actually, even in the Canadian system of justice, the defense does not have the obligation of disproving anything.
Your belief that evidence did not prove that Crystal was not raped would be meaningless, even in the Canadian system.
Kenhyderal,
So, if I understand you correctly, you (a Canadian serviceman) went to the U. S. Naval base and got involved with Crystal. I don't know what you did exactly, but I do know that Crystal was shortly thereafter drummed out of the Navy. You, of course, didn't suffer from this, since you received an honorable discharge. Clearly, you did not try to keep contact with her.
Some years later, you heard about Crystal's latest (2006) escapade. Since your conscience was bothering you, you tried to reconnect with her. Now you want to think that you are a good friend of Crystal's, whereas she has already said (per Malek Williams) that you are not a friend.
Well, maybe if you make a real effort, and actually get her out of her current bind, she'll accept you as a friend again.
Or maybe not.
Guiowen said: "Since your conscience was bothering you, you tried to reconnect with her. Now you want to think that you are a good friend of Crystal's, whereas she has already said (per Malek Williams) that you are not a friend" ..... I have a clear conscience. Crystal has said no such thing. Malek Williams is a liar. I know you know that to be the case and you are, in an Iago like fashion, trying to stir up trouble for Crystal and for those who support her "Thus credulous fools are caught; And many worthy and chaste dames even thus, All guiltless, meet reproach"
KENHYDERAL(quoting from Othello):
"'Thus credulous fools are caught; And many worthy and chaste dames even thus, All guiltless, meet reproach'".
KENNY considers convicted criminal Crystal, who was found to have DNA from multiple males on multiple parts of her person, a "Worty and chaste" dame!
@ Guiowen: I did not become involved with Crystal in Washinton and Crystal was not "drummed out of the U.S. Navy
Kenhyderal,
You were happy enough to present Malek as a credible witness when he said what you wanted to hear.
In any case you have not addressed the substance of my note, which is that you are to some extent responsible for Crystal's eventual troubles.
But maybe you think that that's just my version of a cute little handkerchief?
Kenhyderal,
I might have added, if you really want to help CGM, you're not going to do it by sitting around in an air-conditioned office overlooking the Persian Gulf, and glorying in your accomplishments.
Instead,
1. Go to North Carolina
2. Talk to knowledgeable people there
3. Try to get money for Crystal's bail
4. Help her get a good lawyer.
Quarreling with me is not going to help you. I don't particularly like you, but my advice is good. Do as I say, and you might get to see Crystal again.
enhyderal said...
' @ Guiowen: I did not become involved with Crystal in Washinton and Crystal was not "drummed out of the U.S. Navy '
According to Wikipedia, Crystal was discharged when she became pregnant. I don't imagine she was court martialed, but it doesn't sound good.
As to your relationship with her, you and she were both over eighteen, and I'm broadminded, so I'm not judging you. The trouble is the Navy is not as broadminded as I.
The way you're acting lately, it wouldn't even surprise me to know that you're the father of Crystal's oldest son. Did you leave this other poor guy holding the bag, you sly dog? Is that why she doesn't consider you a friend now?
Guiowen said: "You were happy enough to present Malek as a credible witness when he said what you wanted to hear" ...... What was their to disagree with. All he did was dig up posts I had made, copy and paste them and add the preface right on kenhyderal. At that point to disagree with him would be to disagree with myself.
. Go to North Carolina. This is not possible.
2. Talk to knowledgeable people there. I only know three people in North Carolina. Dr. Harr who I know only from e-mails, Matt Murchison and and Crystal herself.
3. Try to get money for Crystal's bail. The amound short is $180,000.00. Baiil bond companies once willing to post her $200,000.00 bail for 10%, for some reason, are now not willing? Is this by chance circumstantial evidence that somebody has gotten to them?
4. Help her get a good lawyer. I agree with this suggestion
Guiowen said: "The way you're acting lately, it wouldn't even surprise me to know that you're the father of Crystal's oldest son. Did you leave this other poor guy holding the bag, you sly dog? Is that why she doesn't consider you a friend now"....... I am not Richard's Father. Crystal does consider me a friend regardless of what Williams says. Guiown you're stooping very low. I don't know what is your rationale is for becoming this offensive.
October 28, 2012 6:16 PM
My, my, touchy, aren't we? Did I strike a nerve?
In any case, if you expect to see Crystal before 2021, you'd better get to Durham. Maybe you can even find your hero, KILGO.
One piece of advice: Sidney means well, but don't expect him to get anything done.
KENHYDERAL:
"Talk to knowledgeable people there. I only know three people in North Carolina. Dr. Harr who I know only from e-mails, Matt Murchison and and Crystal herself."
You know Kilgo by email. You seem to be admitting Kilgo knows nothing.
KENHUDERAL:
"Baiil(sic) bond companies once willing to post her $200,000.00 bail for 10%, for some reason, are now not willing? Is this by chance circumstantial evidence that somebody has gotten to them?"
It could be that bail(not baill) bond companies do not trust her.
Correction(I apologize for misspelling your user name):
KENHYDERAL:
"Baiil(sic) bond companies once willing to post her $200,000.00 bail for 10%, for some reason, are now not willing? Is this by chance circumstantial evidence that somebody has gotten to them?"
It could be that bail(not baiil - I apologize for misspelling your spelling error) bond companies do not trust her.
October 29, 2012 4:01 AM
KENHYDERAL:
"Go to North Carolina. This is not possible."
Is this "by chance circumstantial evidence" that you are a fugitive from justice in the US?
Glass houses.
KENHYDERAL:
"I don't know what is your(guiowen's) rationale is for becoming this offensive."
You do not think it is offensive to accuse innocent Caucasian men of raping Crystal when you have no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that said rape ever took place.
Glass houses.
folks, ken edwards is as empty and insignificant in all of this silliness as the nonexistent kilgo character. total bullcrap. he is blowing so much smoke out his posterior, I am surprised the dubai fire department hasn't been called.
Hey, lance, some people think the NC Bar committee is saber rattlin'. your opinion? if sidney gets slapped with an injunction and plays lawyer wannabe yet again, so what? civil action against him? harr routinely thumbs his racist nose at the law....so I would guess he will continue to be mangum's worst enemy.
Pathetic. hey, BRO, where's the famous photos that show Mangum and her beating after her hour of sheer terror?
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 10:04 said: 'Have you ever been convicted of a felony in an American court'.... I have never been convicted of a felony or of a misdemeanor in any jurisdiction in the world. Not even a speeding or a parking ticket."
How do we know? Can you prove that? You seem to think that because the Lacrosse players can presumed guilty and have to prove themselves innocent.
After all, you have said you can not come to the United States. I say again, is this "by chance circumstantial evidence" that you are a fugitive from justice in the US?
Can you prove you are not a convicted felon who fled justice in the US? Your denials may be just self serving statements to cover up your wrongdoing.
Glass Houses, KENNY.
wow, I don't know that I would want to admit that my friendships in NC consist of Matt M. and Crystal Mangum. Mangum, aka, the poster child for afro-american studies types, did kinda screw up her "innocent mother of three" image when she LIED about that little rape matter, and, oops killed a man. The Duke 88 must be, well, sayin a bit less these days......no castrate, pot banger parades, either. Given that Mangum killed a BLACK man, you'd think the panther pansies would have shown up, too.
guiowen said...
My, my, touchy, aren't we? Did I strike a nerve?
In any case, if you expect to see Crystal before 2021, you'd better get to Durham. Maybe you can even find your hero, KILGO.
One piece of advice: Sidney means well, but don't expect him to get anything done.
gui, mon ami, ye of little faith,
I would suggest that you prepare yourself now so that you won't be too shocked when Crystal is released and all charges against her dropped. It is inevitable. Mark my words, that the truth will win out.
fine, sidney, fine. when crystal gets released after all the charges are dropped, you can crow all you want. so far, there is no indication that this is going to happen.
Lance the Intern said...
Sid -- It sounds like you already know, but the NC State bar is seeking an injunction to stop you from filing any more documents with the court.
Intern, your perception is astute and never ceases to amaze me. I would tend to agree with you.
Rest assured that soon after I receive it, I will provide a link to the complaint.
Anonymous said...
fine, sidney, fine. when crystal gets released after all the charges are dropped, you can crow all you want. so far, there is no indication that this is going to happen.
She will be released soon, and when she is released and the charges dropped, I will not crow about it... because that is not in my DNA. I am too well grounded and modest to brag and flaunt my brilliance and extraordinary achievements.
Yes, we all know about your modesty.
meantime, please tell us all why you lied about the LAX house demolition timing and so-called clandestine nature?
also, why did you lie about who set the fire in the Walker incident? Why have not you not apologized to the LEO you falsely accused? Why are there no photos to back up your claim of mangum's beating after you insisted these photos existed? If Mangum thinks the photos do exist and that these photos are being kept from her, then why hasn't she filed an action with the court to compel discloure? Just wondering......
by the way, an injunctin in NC is, tho no doubt trivial to you, not a laughing matter for someone who claims (you) to be above the law. I would expect you will claim this is all part of the conspiracy and that the entire Bar is in Rae Evans' purse.
sidney, your antics were funny, at best, a couple of years ago. Now they are all just kinda stale and, frankly, boring. You strike me as somebody desperately looking for a stage.
Facing a murder charge, Mangum now finds herself in deep peril without adequate counsel, directly because of YOU. Persons of color in this community, who really do care about justice and fair play, find your behavior shameful. Mangum may be (and is) a convicted criminal with a terrible record of bad behaviors, bad choices and bad advice. You are supposedly an educated man. Shame on you for making things so much worse for Mangum.
SIDNEY HARR:
"I would suggest that you prepare yourself now so that you won't be too shocked when Crystal is released and all charges against her dropped. It is inevitable. Mark my words, that the truth will win out."
How can you make the truth win out when you do not tell the truth?
SIDNEY HARR:
"She will be released soon, and when she is released and the charges dropped, I will not crow about it... because that is not in my DNA. I am too well grounded and modest to brag and flaunt my brilliance and extraordinary achievements."
You have never demonstrated you have any brilliance and achievements to flaunt. If you had you would not be so reluctant to reveal the details of your brilliant medical career(or should we say lack thereof).
SIDNEY HARR:
Why haven't you shown enough brilliance to show why you believe Crystal was the victim of the Duke Lacrosse team?
KENHYHDERAL:
Here is something from the appropriately named Liestoppers to stir up your resentment of Caucasin men who are more accomplished than you.
"The Innocence Project Young Professional’s Committee will present Reade with the Advocate for Justice Award on October 25 at the Bowery Hotel in New York City."
Now you and SIDNEY can rant and rave that it is a part of the carpetbagger jihad that you have never received any Advocate for Justice award.
SIDNEY HARR:
Here is more fodder for you to chew, ultimately from the appropriately Liestoppers.
URL: http://www.businessinsider.com/aig-had-to-pay-for-the-duke-lacrosse-stripper-lawsuit-2011-2
"As its insurance provider, AIG insures Duke University against costs like investigating an accusation like Mangum's.
Duke had demanded reimbursement for costs tied to lawsuits by players and another by the team’s former coach over the school’s role in investigating the accusation, according to the November 2008 complaint.
The insurance giant offered the school $5 million in 2008, but apparently that wasn't enough. The university filed a lawsuit requiring AIG to reimburse them for the settlements it paid to the lacrosse players."
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/aig-had-to-pay-for-the-duke-lacrosse-stripper-lawsuit-2011-2#ixzz2AhfWJKmW
You said Duke paid because one of the Lacrosse Defense attorneys convinced them(I believe you said it was Joseph Cheshire) that their carrier would pay the settlement.
Well, the carrier BALKED at paying the settlement. Here is another lie in which you have been caught.
So, explain why Duke would have settled rather than defended if their insurer balked at paying the settlement and they could have prevailed in court. I say you can not.
Well done, SIDNEY. Your master, the father of lies, must be very pleased with you.
I ask again, how can you say you tell the truth which will set Crystal free when you have been caught in so many lies?
First off, Crystal Mangum is a false accuser. Second, she is not a victim.
Walt-in-Durham
"First off, Crystal Mangum is a false accuser. Second, she is not a victim.
Walt-in-Durham"
Which shows that SIDNEY is less than brilliant and has no achievements to boast about.
What say you, SIDNEY?
Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:
"She will be released soon, and when she is released and the charges dropped, I will not crow about it... because that is not in my DNA. I am too well grounded and modest to brag and flaunt my brilliance and extraordinary achievements."
You have never demonstrated you have any brilliance and achievements to flaunt. If you had you would not be so reluctant to reveal the details of your brilliant medical career(or should we say lack thereof).
Tell you what... You get Donald Trump to pay me $5 million, and I will reveal the details of my medical career.
Walt said...
First off, Crystal Mangum is a false accuser. Second, she is not a victim.
Walt-in-Durham
Walt, Crystal is not the false accuser... Charlene Coggins-Franks is for using a fraudulent autopsy report to falsely accuse Mangum of a murder which she did not commit. Furthermore, she is a victim of domestic violence and assault against a female at the hand of Reginald Daye. She was also the victim of sexual abuse in 2010 and likely in 2006 as well.
Anonymous said...
sidney, your antics were funny, at best, a couple of years ago. Now they are all just kinda stale and, frankly, boring. You strike me as somebody desperately looking for a stage.
Facing a murder charge, Mangum now finds herself in deep peril without adequate counsel, directly because of YOU. Persons of color in this community, who really do care about justice and fair play, find your behavior shameful. Mangum may be (and is) a convicted criminal with a terrible record of bad behaviors, bad choices and bad advice. You are supposedly an educated man. Shame on you for making things so much worse for Mangum.
I do not consider my crusade against injustice and advocacy for it to be trivial matters for amusement. I take what I do seriously.
Regarding counsel, Crystal Mangum has never had adequate counsel. The first attorney did nothing other than ask for bail reductions, something which the replacement did only once in what I believe was a staged event.
Mangum's only chance for justice is to represent herself... and the truth will take care of the rest.
Unfortunately people of color in the Durham community have remained silent and done nothing while Mangum rots away in jail on trumped up charges. Shame goes to them!!
SIDNEY HARR:
"Walt, Crystal is not the false accuser... Charlene Coggins-Franks is for using a fraudulent autopsy report to falsely accuse Mangum of a murder which she did not commit. Furthermore, she is a victim of domestic violence and assault against a female at the hand of Reginald Daye. She was also the victim of sexual abuse in 2010 and likely in 2006 as well."
SIDNEY, you are working overtime to please your master, the father of lies. From what I have learned, you may not like the consequences of serving such a master.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Tell you what... You get Donald Trump to pay me $5 million, and I will reveal the details of my medical career."
You know Donald Trump will never pay you anything - he has the example of when you tried to skake down Duke for money.
So all you are saying is you will not reveal the details of your brilliant medical(or rather yur less than brilliant medical career).
You are full of bull, sir. I say that in the nicest way, giving you the respect to which you are due. It was funny when it was just you, the resident bigot (peterson) and a handfull of halfassed nitwits like kenny. it's not funny, now, given that you will be directly responsible for the utter disaster that may very well happen to Mangum.....made infinitely worse by your arrogant meddling. If Mangum had even half a brain, and an ounce of common sense, she would have paid attention to her attorneys. As is it, the fact that she has listened to you is as clear an indication of her utter lack of both brains and sense, as anything she has done to date. I feel sorry for her, for about ten seconds, and then I remember that a man is dead at her hands.....you are a disgrace.....to yourself and to those people who sincerely care about justice for all our citizens in North Carolina
SIDNEY HARR:
Tell you what. If you can get Donald Trump to give you only $1 million, then I will tell you the details of my medical career.
SIDNEY HARR:
"I do not consider my crusade against injustice and advocacy for it to be trivial matters for amusement. I take what I do seriously."
What you do, which you take so seriously is crusade for injustice for the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players. Give proof that they raped Crystal. Saying all the evidence has been sealed is a dodge, not a proof.
"Regarding counsel, Crystal Mangum has never had adequate counsel. The first attorney did nothing other than ask for bail reductions, something which the replacement did only once in what I believe was a staged event."
Crystal did have adequate counsel. She does not have it now because your J4N injustice crusaders have been instrumental in forcing them to withdraw from the case.
"Mangum's only chance for justice is to represent herself... and the truth will take care of the rest."
That is not a very good chance. To paraphrase the judge who granted the request, and I say he knows more about the law than a physician who claims it only requires a 5th grade education to evaluate the validity of an autopsy report, when a defendant does that, it usually does not work out well for that defendant.
"Unfortunately people of color in the Durham community have remained silent and done nothing while Mangum rots away in jail on trumped up charges. Shame goes to them!!"
Maybe they have learned from the racist reaction to Crystal's false allegations of rape against the innocent Duke Lacrosse players and have decided Crystal is someone they will not support.
SIDNEY HARR:
Here is an example of one of your so called brilliant achievments.
Crystal lies to you about who set on fire Milton Walker's clothes.
You falsely accuse a Durham Police officer of deliberately setting the fire in order to frame Crystal for arson.
When you learn you falsely accused an innocent Duke Police officer, you refuse to apologize and blame the officer, not the arsonist Crystal(she did light the fire - that fact was not negated by the hung jury).
If you follow your Lacrosse player script, you will next say the Police Officer can not be considered innocent because he was not bound over for trial for arson.
Way to go, SIDNEY-minion-of-the-father-of-lies-HARR.
SIDNEY HARR:
" [VCrystal] was...likely [of sexual violence] in 2006 as well."
Prove it.
Correction:
SIDNEY HARR:
" [VCrystal] was...likely [the victim of sexual violence] in 2006."
Prove it.
October 29, 2012 10:20 AM
sidney harr deliberately misrepresented the facts about the demolition of the LAX house. He has been confronted with his LIES and has been repeatedly questioned about why he LIED. He has refused to answer. Please be aware that he routinely and extensively LIES, distorts, and makes cowardly statements that are absolutely false.
Just in case anybody doubts what a first class liar sidney harr is....
from Feb 2008....
""After speaking with Crystal Mangum I learned that on the night of February 17, 2010, she did not set fire to clothes in the bathtub as alleged by the Durham Police Department. Furthermore, she did not know that a fire had been set in her bathtub, and she did not know who was responsible for setting the fire. She also stated that she did not vandalize her ex-boyfriend’s car, as had been alleged in Durham Police Incident/Investigative report, and in the grand jury indictment. Furthermore she stated that she was unaware that her ex’s car had even been vandalized. Regarding the physical altercation with her ex-boyfriend, Ms. Mangum stated that he initiated the fight by punching her in the face, and she fought back in self defense."
Above is Sidney, pontificating about the Walker incident and lying about who set the fire in the apartment IN FRONT OF CHILDREN. Please note that Crystal seems to be fixated on a couple of themes that run through her various accounts of fictious violence against her.
First, "Honey, you are not going anywhere"...Sister claims that the LAX guys and Daye said these same words to her. Weird, huh...
Second, Sister apparently is veritable face punching bag because, in all THREE accounts (2006, 2010 and 2011) she claims that her attackers "punched her in the face". More Mangum weirdness....\
Third, Mangum seems to have some kind of fetish for Knives.....(xxxxx, I'm stab you, she said to Walker, in front of a LEO in 2010) and, presto, the prediction of stabbing somebody comes true in 2011!
Fourth, she goes through attorneys quicker n' Sxxx through a goose....Jones, Vann, Shellla, Vann II, and now....lawyer mangum.
Sidney harr has not apologized for lying about the fire incident, nor has he even had the integrity to admit that he lied. Harr is an unrepentant serial liar.
Anonymous @ 10:29 said: "makes cowardly statements" (Dr.Harr) .....This comes from someone too cowardly to identify himself.
Anonymous said: "You know Kilgo by email" Kilgo's e-mail address no longer works.
kenhyderal said...
"Kilgo's e-mail address no longer works."
Oh, dear me! How is Crystal going to sue anyone without Kilgo to tell her how to find her star witness?
I've no idea why it is that you can't come to the United States, but your vacation in air-conditioned comfort in Dubai is not helping you and Crystal any.
I'm here under contract to the Canadian Armed Forces. I work in the desert not in an air-conditioned office.
Kenhyderal,
Frankly if I were you I'd ask for a month's leave. It's probably not enough but I can't see that they'd deny you this.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 10:29 said: "makes cowardly statements" (Dr.Harr) .....This comes from someone too cowardly to identify himself.'
Just like Kilgo.
KENHYDERAL:
"I'm here under contract to the Canadian Armed Forces. I work in the desert not in an air-conditioned office."
How do we know that is not some self serving statement on your part to cover up wrongdoing that made you a fugitive from justice in the US?
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous said: "You know Kilgo by email" Kilgo's e-mail address no longer works."
So you did not admit that Kilgo has bailed. Could that be circumstantial evidence that Kilgo knows nothing, that he does not want to be exposed as a fraud.
So now you believe Crystal was raped because the now departed, incommunicado Kilgo that some anonymous Lacrosse player said he had witnessed the rape of Crystal Mangum.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 10:29 said: "makes cowardly statements" (Dr.Harr) .....This comes from someone too cowardly to identify himself."
The anonymous posters who now leave comments on this blog do not indulge in bare faced lying to the extent SIDNEY HARR does.
Sid, could not be more wrong when he wrote: "Walt, Crystal is not the false accuser... Charlene Coggins-Franks is for using a fraudulent autopsy report to falsely accuse Mangum of a murder which she did not commit. Furthermore, she is a victim of domestic violence and assault against a female at the hand of Reginald Daye. She was also the victim of sexual abuse in 2010 and likely in 2006 as well."
First things first. Crystal did falsely accuse three innocent men of rape. She might claim, but she does not, that she was the victim of the DPD's suggestive lineup procedure in violation of department policy. Neither she, nor you makes that claim though. What she did is falsely accuse three people who had nothing do do with her of a heinous crime. A crime that they did not commit and could not have been committed in any of the many ways she described it. That is a false accusation. An accusation that fell apart almost immediately.
Second, she was not a victim of of sexual abuse or anything else in 2006, at least not at the hands of the Duke lacrosse team. The evidence says nothing happened there. And, nothing did happen there. The DNA proves that, the other physical evidence proves that, even all the eyewitnesses but one say that. Only the false accuser says anything happened and it could not have happened the way the false accuser Crystal Mangum describes it.
Crystal was the perpetrator of the abuse in 2010, not the victim.
Walt-in-Durham
So, Sidney,
Have you managed to make Coggins-Frank understand that the jig is up?
Wne do you think she'll start cutting her losses?
Sorry, I meant "when do you think she'll start cutting her losses?"
Anonymous @ 8:41 10-29-12 said: "The Innocence Project Young Professional’s Committee will present Reade with the Advocate for Justice Award on October 25 at the Bowery Hotel in New York City".............
Kudos to Reade. By all indications Reade was an innoncent victim of the flawed photo-line up. Crystal, with out any malice tried the best she could to make an identification of her attackers. She was led to believe they were present in the line-up that she was shown. I'm pretty sure that although Reade has an alibi for himeself he is privy to information that would help convict the perpetrators. If I am right this would detract from the honor he received.
Anonymous @ 4:20 SAID: "How do we know that is not some self serving statement on your part to cover up wrongdoing that made you a fugitive from justice in the US?"..... Yeah, it something you don't know but here's a piece of information that will help bolster your conspiratorial theory; Dubai has no extradition treaty with the U.S.A.
Guiowen said: "Frankly if I were you I'd ask for a month's leave. It's probably not enough but I can't see that they'd deny you this"......................... Maybe they're no more liberal then the U.S.Navy.
KENHYDERAL:
"Crystal, with out any malice tried the best she could to make an identification of her attackers. She was led to believe they were present in the line-up that she was shown."
That is because Crystal originally accused members of the Lacrosse team of attacking her and DA NIFONG, whom you say was only seeking justice, was determined to convict members of the Lacrosse team, whether or not any crime had occurred.
"I'm pretty sure that although Reade has an alibi for himeself he is privy to information that would help convict the perpetrators. If I am right this would detract from the honor he received."
You are not right, you are an unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist(I have lost count,but there will be more). There was no crime. Ergo, there were no perpetrators.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 4:20 SAID: 'How do we know that is not some self serving statement on your part to cover up wrongdoing that made you a fugitive from justice in the US?'"
However you have no denied it(the Lacrosse players denied there was no rape). That might be circumstantial evidence you are a fugitive from justice in the US.
"..... Yeah, it something you don't know but here's a piece of information that will help bolster your conspiratorial theory; Dubai has no extradition treaty with the U.S.A."
More circumstantial evidence that you are a fugitive from justice in the US? Maybe.
KENHYDERAL:
This is from Walt in Durham:
"She(Crystal) might claim, but she does not, that she was the victim of the DPD's suggestive lineup procedure in violation of department policy. Neither she, nor you(SIDNEY) makes that claim though.
Crystal could have honestly said, when she viewed the Lacrosse players, that none of them were assailants. She did not.
Could that be circumstantial evidence supporting the statement that she told someone at the Platinum club that she was going to get money from the white boys? I think so.
781 Correction of a typo:
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 4:20 SAID: 'How do we know that is not some self serving statement on your part to cover up wrongdoing that made you a fugitive from justice in the US?'"
However you have not denied it(the Lacrosse players denied there was no rape). That might be circumstantial evidence you are a fugitive from justice in the US.
"..... Yeah, it something you don't know but here's a piece of information that will help bolster your conspiratorial theory; Dubai has no extradition treaty with the U.S.A."
More circumstantial evidence that you are a fugitive from justice in the US? Maybe.
Correction:
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 4:20 SAID: 'How do we know that is not some self serving statement on your part to cover up wrongdoing that made you a fugitive from justice in the US?'"
However you have not denied it(the Lacrosse players denied there was a rape). That might be circumstantial evidence you are a fugitive from justice in the US.
"..... Yeah, it something you don't know but here's a piece of information that will help bolster your conspiratorial theory; Dubai has no extradition treaty with the U.S.A."
More circumstantial evidence that you are a fugitive from justice in the US? Maybe.
KENHYDERAL:
"...although Reade [Seligman] has an alibi for himeself he is privy to information that would help convict the perpetrators.
Prove that Reade Seligman has information about a rape perpetrated against Crystal.
KENHYDERAL:
Prove that a rape was perpetrated on Crystal.
KENHYDERAL:
Thus far you have provided no evidene, circumstantial or otherwise, to prove Crystal was raped. In and of itself, that is strong circumstantial evidence of what?(I am epecyting you will duck the question)
KENHYDERAL:
"By all indications Reade was an innoncent victim of the flawed photo-line up."
You omit that it was corrupt DA NIFONG and false accuser Crystal who victimized him.
KENHYDERAL:
You call DA NIFONG's prosecution a quest for justice for Crystal.
How would it be a quest for justice for Crystal to force her to identify innocent men as her assailants?
You call the police investigation botched. DA NIFONG took over control of the police investigation. Was he on a quest for justice for Crystal when he botched the police investigation?
KENHYDERAL
"By all indications Reade was an innoncent victim of the flawed photo-line up."
De facto, you admit that Crystal, rather than being a victim, was a victimizer.
Right on KENHYDERAL. Intentionally or not, you got that right.
KENHYDERAL:
"Maybe they're no more liberal then the U.S.Navy."
For your information, in the US Military, one accrues 30 days of leave per year. Any leave not used in one year carries over to the next year. What is the policy in the Canadian Armed Forces. I spent 30+
years, active and reserve, in the US Army.
Kenny is, of course, no different from sidney and crystal in that he makes it up as he goes along. Confronted with facts, he just morphs and changes his various stories. remember how crystal changed her mind on whether the men wore condoms? yes they did; no, they didn't. same deal with kenny and sidney. just sit back and watch this all unfold.
KENHYDERAL:
Taking my cue from what DA NIFONG considered a quest for justice for Crystal:
One would wonder why someone who is not a fugitive from justice in the United States would be concerned about whether or not his country of residence had an extradition treaty with the United States.
Glass houses, KENNY
Anonymous October 30, 2012 5:28 AM
I agree with you 100%.
Right now, I would like to see how KENHYDERAL likes having the stones he tossed at others picked up and tossed back at him.
It seems he doesn't like it.
The whole silly nonsense about ken edwards and his so-called friendship with Mangum is nothing but a pack of lies and fabrications. It's apparently characteristic of the people who swirl around Mangum to be serial liars......like harr and peterson and kenny. and, the vaporous kilgo, whoever the bleep he or she is. Dubai? Canada? Military contracts? What next, kenny? the planet Mongo, on a secret mission to save the world from the evil emperor , rae evans? Oh, brother......
Kenhyderal is a troll -- stop feeding him. It's that simple.
If you removed the kenhyderal posts (and the often silly responses to them), you'd often find intelligent conversation.
But 350 (and counting) posts in, it's no longer worth the effort.
good point, inigo.
"Post traumatic" inconsistencies? There was NO trauma for Mangum in the LAX house that night, except maybe when she fell on the floor, drunk, and spilled her beer. "Proven false" report? Uh, what PROOF? The word of a wingnut supposed retired doctor who has no credibility, no experience, no professional training in forensics, pathology, surgery or pulmonary medicine?
Bull.
I agree with poster who say the troll should just be ignored. I also think it is a very good idea to point out, loudly and repeatedly, every single time sidney harr tells a lie.
ok, once again, sidney, you LIED about the timing of the LAX house demolition, saying it was done "immediately".....the truth was that the LAX house stood empty FOUR YEARS. You LIED when you said it was done clandestinely. NOT so. Notices were sent to the city, all those who had filed suits and the county. Oh, yeah, NIFONG , you fairy godmother, had countless photos of the interior and exterior of the house.
sidney harr is a liar.
Here's just a very small sampling of the many many lies/questions/inconsistencies promulgated by mangum and harr.
1. The whole condom question...first, they did, then they didn't. Harr has been confronted repeatedly with mangum's lie. he avoids responding
2. mangum lied in court over denial that she set the walker clothing on fire. harr lied on this site. harr refused to admit it and refused to apologize to the LEO he defamed. a cheap no-character thing to do.
3. mangum LIED repeatedly about her sexual exploits. There were at least five separate male samples in and on her.....NONE from the LAX guys. And this woman was not "selling it". Laughable.
4. harr lied about his description of the LAX house destruction.
5. harr lied when he said mangum prepared the second set of motions and that all he did was courier them. His LIES were not accepted by the NC Bar.
5. Mangum and Harr have repeatedly LIED when they assert something as FACT and "proven" when it has not been established as fact or proven. The word of two serial liars is not credible. PROOF is a higher standard than "I say so".
6. Photos showing a supposed beating of Mangum.....Harr insisted repeatedly that these photos did exist and that the prosecutor and Vann had them. Now he waffles and says, well, the prosecution "should" have had them.
and so on, and so on.....
Mangum is sinking....and no amount of harr hot air is going to float her liar boat
Harr has repeatedly LIED about Mr. Daye's record by refusing to include the FACT that the single assault charge was DROPPED. Harr builds an entire theory that Daye was some kind of wild woman beating alcoholic...without a shred of evidence to back his claims. Since Harr continues to lie about Daye's record by omission...then it is only fair to treat mangum's record the same way.
Therefore....
"Police charged her with attempted first-degree murder, five counts of arson, assault and battery, communicating threats, three counts of misdemeanor child abuse, injury to personal property, identity theft and resisting a public officer."
This means Mangum tried to kill Walker, was an arsonist, was an attacker and violent, was a child abuser, was violent against personas and property and resisted arrest.....just like she did in 2002.
If harr can distort criminal records, then all the rest of us should do so as well. Mangum is a violent, attacking, child abusing, murderous person.....per her record.
Wanna play fair, harr? Then tell the truth and admit that you have repeatedly lied about Daye's record. until then, fair is fair.
Inigo Montoya said: "If you removed the kenhyderal posts (and the often silly responses to them), you'd often find intelligent conversation"...... And you'd have a one-sided discourse against Dr. Harr's postings. I, Ken Edwards, couldn't agree more that the anonymous responses to my posts are often silly. Anonymous @ 6:08 called me a liar. I challenge him to tell us his name.
Ken Edwards has one consistent reply when he is cornered with the truth. He avoids responding to the issue/the substance of the post by focusing entirely on anonominity....as though posts made by anon posters are summarily unworthy of his time. Interesting hypocrisy on his part, don't you think......coming from a person who continuously sucks up to the anon KILGO and the truth avoiding Harr.....both liars themselves. Apparently the rule for Kenny is that if he doesn't want to answer the question, he attacks the poster's anon status......and, if he thinks the post agrees with his lofty perception of reality, why....then.....being anon is just dandy.
cute, kenny. We ALL know what kind of hypocrite you are.
Crystal Mangum has petitioned the court to intervene in the civil suit filed by the falsely accused lacrosse players. In the petition, she claims to have been a victim of "government controlled sex slavery," and adds that she is currently being "framed for murder by the illuminati and the New World Order."
In the same petition, she also claims that Mike Nifong paid her $50,000 to invent the allegations to help him win re-election.
So, Sid – Does Mangum's decision to turn on Nifong pose any problems for you?
Oh, Lance. you can't makin this stuff up, right? holy bat cape....too funny for cable TV! LOLOL
where is the petition? gotta read this piece of work
KENHYDERAL:
"'Inigo Montoya said: "If you removed the kenhyderal posts (and the often silly responses to them), you'd often find intelligent conversation'...... And you'd have a one-sided discourse against Dr. Harr's postings."
If you are the only one standing between SIDNEY HARR and a one sided posting, well, the postings are one sided. SIDNEY, like you, is a guilt presuming racist. If you have noticed, a lot of SIDNEY's supporters have abandoned him. None of his J4N gang post on this blog.
"I, Ken Edwards, couldn't agree more that the anonymous responses to my posts are often silly."
Most of the anonymous responses call on you to prove your allegations and you have failed to do so. You call it silly. I call it strong circumstantial evidence that you are a liar.
"Anonymous @ 6:08 called me a liar. I challenge him to tell us his name."
I challenge you to present evidence that the claims you make, that Crystal was raped by unidentified non lax party attendees, that Lacrosse players participated in the sexual assault, are true. You are the one who is asserting. Since you do not provide proof, that is, again, strong circumstantial evidence that you are lying.
HIlarious.......Jesus Mary and Joseph.....the New World Order, no less.
Of course Nifong paid off the government sex slave. That makes perfect sense, doesn't it. That 50K was the funding for her graduate school! Ah Ha!!!!
I bet Crystal produces her own sex slave diary that has the shocking expose of all her clients....including Harr, Cline (who likes the vibrating kind), Brodhead, Dubai Kenny, Victoria (who likes butches), Nancy Grace and Houston Baker (who likes farm animals).
Oh, Lord, help us all.......nothing on reality TV could be this funny. thank you, lance.
SIDNEY HARR, KENHYDERAL:
This comes from the most recent DIW post(acknowledgement to Lance the Intern):
"Another item from Mangum's ranting intervention request will raise eyebrows: she claims that Mike Nifong paid her $50,000 (before, it seems, she even attended the party) to invent the allegations, so as to help him win re-election. Needless to say, she provides no evidence to corroborate this absurd assertion. But Mangum's decision to turn on Nifong might pose problems for her de facto legal team, the committee seeking to restore Nifong's law license."
I would like to read the source.
If true, KENNY and SIDNEY, what do you think of your girl now, saying she was paid to make false allegations of rape to help DA NIFONG get elected.
KENHYHDERAL:
You seem to take everything Crystal says at face value. Are you now going to claim the Lacrosse players stole Crystal's $50,000?
Are you going to claim she is still suffering from PTSD from the non existent rape?
I'm trying to dig it up..I'll be honest -- my information is 3rd hand.
Falling out laughing here. Mangum has always been a pathetic liar and absolutely god awful judge of companions. Now, it is clear she has gone waaaaay off her trolley. Perhaps this is Harr's strategy....to make the woman appear to be a total whacko so he can get her sent up interstate 85 to the state hospital for a very long rest. illuminati? that's some kind of light bulb company, isn't it, BRO?
Apparently good old bathrobe boy knew about mangum and her, uh, dancing talents, knew in advance that there was a party goin' on at the LAX house, figured out how to get the escort service to pick sister, met with her before the party, paid her to holler wolf, and then shuck n jived his way (almost) scott free. What a hoot!
I heard the same thing from another source, Lance.
SIDNEY HARR:
Is this the truth which will set Crystal free - that she is not competent to stand trial?
KENHYDERAL:
If she were playing at being incompetent to avoid a trial, would that be circumstantial evidene she was guilty?
I doubt Johnson would have made the comments he made, definitively, without verifying his source. Hope he responds to a request for the link to the petition. Harr has one on-line, too, at the Change.org site...asking people to sign up to let Mangum go free. His merry band of loopy people have signed, of course.
can't wait to read mangums petition to the court.....if it as reported by Johnson, the woman is either deliberately faking a fallout to avoid prison, or, she has popped one too many snickerdoodles.
Sounds like Crystal watched an old copy of Eyes Wide Shut in the jail rec room. References to sex slaves and the illuminati are in the movie! Or, perhaps, Harr has been reading up on the New World Order. But, surely, good old sidney wouldn't want Mangum to write such nasty stuff about the Fongster.
I can just hear sidney chastizing all of us hateful white people for poking fun at poor off-her-skateboard Mangum. Notice the title of his latest flub entry that includes the reference to "post traumatic"? Could it be our ever-creative brother is trying to build a case that sister has been nuts all along and that is how she is going to escape the murder rap?
government controlled sex slavery? Geez, I though sidney being a card carrying socialist was all about big bro government. Must be kinda hard for him to stomach the reference to the government as the sex slave pimp? golly, sidney, what's a socialist to do?
SIDNEY HARR, KENHYDERAL:
Here is a link to the pdf of Crystal's motion:
http://lincolnparishnewsonline.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/102912-mangum.pdf
SIDNEY HARR, KENHYDERAL:
Here is the text of Crystal's motion with some added comments:
"I am an Mk ultra victim who has been used for the purposes of government controlled sex slavery. My parents have been involved in hiding this. As a child I was sold to the pedophile lobby by my parents. If you are unfamiliar with what the pedophile lobby is, it is a ring of sexually perverted politicians who traffick(sic) children and young adults without their knowledge. My entire family has made me look like a perpetual liar(KENHYDERAL says it was the media) in order to cover up instances where I was sold to perform sexual acts. These instances were arranged without my knowledge. Mike Nifong(SIDNEY, KENNY please pay attention here) secretly paid me $50,000 in my Bank of America account to go to the party where the plaintiffs attended and FAKE A RAPE(emphasis added) , and then call the cops on the Plaintiffs, THE RAPE NEVER HAPPENED, THIS WAS A PLOT FOR NIFONG TO MAKE A BIG ARREST BEFORE HE WAS REELECTED(emphasis added). I am being framed for murder by the illuminati and New World Order. Please help me. I’m being tortured and mind controlled. James Eagan Holmes is innocent and I plan on marrying him in the future."
Follow the link to the pdf, if you dare.
Well, just when I thought it couldn't get any more bizarre in Durham......
a quick observation, I just compared Crystal Mangum's signature on the petition to the signature on the motions harr filed. Take a look for yourselves.
Mangum is wigged out, folks. What a crock. And THIS is the innocent mother of three, kenny? The woman to be believed? Are you bleepin' kidding? I can hear it now....sidney will star the whine machine again and tell us how Rae Evans and the evil white people have poisoned Mangum and driven her insane with drugs in her jello.
KENHYDERAL, SIDNEY HARR:
In case you do not know, James Eagan Holmes is accused of committing the Aurora, Colorado movie massacre.
KENHYDERAL, SIDNEY HARR:
Please comment.
If you think the claims in Crystal's latest court filing are great, just wait until she turns on Harr.
Yep, Holmes is that red hair white guy who killed 12 people in that theater. He looks like a drugged out Opie....
it certainly is nice of Mangum to put in writing what we have known all along....that the rape was a LIE. Bless her heart.
Oh, and golly, the pediphile ring...sex slavery for politicians? whoa, I betcha the Allen building is about to explode!!!
Poor Wahneeema, Houston, Victoria, Jackie W., Tim and so many others in the 88......must be kinda embarrassing to know they were backing a horse that took a 50K payoff from the Fongster.
pardon me while I indulge in just a teeeeeeny little guffaw....
FromLiestopper poster chatham:
"Project MKUltra was the code name for a covert research operation by the Central Intelligence Agency,[1] experimenting into the behavioral engineering of humans through their Scientific Intelligence division. The program began in the early 1950s, was officially sanctioned in 1953, was reduced in scope in 1964, further curtailed in 1967 and finally halted in 1973.[2]
from wilipedia(sic)".
Crystal was born in 1978.
yep, betcha sidney gets accused of pimping her.....or selling her into bondage for a ring of dubai contract workers.
Uh, oh, Sidney,
Looks like the jig really is up!
No wonder Mike Nifong refused to help Crystal!
Better tell Nifong to cut his losses somehow.
Kenhyderal,
Looks like you were right: Crystal was really pressured to finger someone -- anyone -- just so Mike Nifong would look good.
Yep, 50K to an innocent mother of three sex slave is a heckuva lot of "pressure". don't you know the Fongster is freaking out....and I bet Mrs. Fongster is wondering where the boy came up with the dough to pass along to Sister.
Odd, isn't it, that Crystal just happens to be freaking out, NOW, when she is on the cusp of getting her case scheduled for trial. Could it be that a staged meltdown is happening? Could this be a true sex slave, admitted rape liar, come clean? could she really be wingdinged?
stay tuned......it will definitely get better, which is to say, worse.
How long will it be before Kenny and sidney, the victim twins, start bawling about how Mangum has snapped, driven insane by the evil jihad?
Ought to be a fairly simple matter to check on Mangum's bank statements, hmmmmmm? I do recall that Rev Jesse said he would put her through school, liar or not.....perhaps she just got confused and it was Jesse (of the love child fame) who gave her a bit of a gift.
At least Sister is owning up to being a whor,er, prostitute, er peformer of sex acts. and, admitting that she is a liar. what next? Nifong paid her to frame the LAX guys so he could win the election....which means Nifong knew the black community would be so stupid they would fall for it? Reallllly? (apparently they did....). Was Walker in our the deal? Mr. Daye?
And Crystal wants to marry carrot-head, the killer of 12 in the Colorado movie shooting? Good choice, honey......
The filing looks to be authentic....I am no expert, but I think that timestamp on the document is for real. question is, I suppose, did the Mangum write the words? Has she been subjected to mind control treatments by the evil white guards at the jail? Are the rumors about her trying to sell it to the guards true?
I would be willing to bet my QShack BBQ plate that Harr is going to come up with one "wild and crazy" explanation. Just cannot wait to hear it, folks. There is definitely going to be a jihad mind trickster behind all this.......mark my keystrokes.
the address on the document 217 mangum in durham, is indeed, the jail.
Don't get carried away folks: This document is a forgery. The F.B.I. should get involved because it's an attempt to subvert the courts.
uh huh. right, kenny. didn't take long, did it, folks, for Kenny to rise up in righteous denial.
ah, the patterns in the life of crystal. harr files motions with her "signature" and she stands up in court, with Shella, and says she knows nothing about these motions.
perhaps harr did this to protect poor sister from having to go to court.
Whoever wrote the document sure does spell, write, and construct sentences like a typical honors graduate of that fine school of higher learning, the famous producer of "no conscious" cline and "indiscrepancies" crystal. maybe sidney is dumbing down to fake it on her behalf. Or, perhaps the evil white oppressors have faked the document to keep mangum away from telling all!!!!!
Anonymous @ 10:50 said: "Ken Edwards has one consistent reply when he is cornered with the truth. He avoids responding to the issue/the substance of the post by focusing entirely on anonominity"......... I called on the anonymous poster who called me a liar to give his name because when I am called a liar that is something that needs to be reckoned with.
Anonymous said: "How long will it be before Kenny and sidney, the victim twins, start bawling about how Mangum has snapped, driven insane by the evil jihad?"......... I'm no victim. Victimizing me is not easily done. I do try to fight for those who are victimized, though.
By your last statement, Kenhyderal, I can definitely see how much you have in common with my Filipino friend, Gib Elohssa.
Kenhyderal:
"I called on the anonymous poster who called me a liar to give his name because when I am called a liar that is something that needs to be reckoned with."
I believe you called KC Johnson a liar. Yet you call Kilgo, whom you really can not identify and who has bailed, as a truthful person, mainly because what he told you agrees with what Crystal told you. Her latest motion aside, she has a history of lying.
KENHYDERAL:
"I do try to fight for those who are victimized, though."
So why are you fighting for Crystal. You have presented no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to prove she was.
I sincerely doubt if you have any Filipino friends. Your vulgar palindrome is not likely to endear you with Pinoys
Sidney,
Wonderful news! According to Kenhyderal, this gives you a perfect reason to involve the FBI.
Or do you think Rae Evans controls them, too?
Someone filed that at the federal court. There will be records. If it is indeed a forgery, that will easily be determined. If Ms. Mangum filed it, she is either insane, or faking insanity to avoid a murder conviction.
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