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The mainstream media has consistently shoved down the throats of the masses that Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser, is the liar who fabricated false charges against three Duke student/athlete/partygoers in March 2006. This false-accuser moniker that the media has affixed to Mangum relies only upon the words uttered from the mouth of North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper on April 11, 2007, during his “Promulgation of Innocence” for the Duke Lacrosse defendants. Unprecedented in the history of juris prudence for an attorney general to proclaim “innocence” or “guilt” when in the process of dismissing charges, Mr. Cooper not only stated that the boys (from families of power, prestige, and privilege) were innocent, but that “nothing happened.”
The media, of course, grabbed this tasty morsel and ran with it… just like Magic back in the day directing a full court press. The media went to extremes to mislead the public into believing that Cooper’s pronouncement was as legally binding as if it were handed down from the U.S. Supreme Court. Truth be told, the innocence proclamation was meaningless as the attorney general belongs to the executive branch of government and not judicial. The media is aware of this, but continues to write that the boys were exonerated… playing one of the state’s biggest Jedi mind-tricks on the gullible and trusting Tar Heelians, statewide.
While proclaiming the boys’ innocence, the media was in overdrive demonizing and vilifying Crystal Mangum by characterizing her as a prolific and pathological liar whose sexual assault accusations were made for the purpose of bringing grief to innocent young men from lives of privilege. A.G. Roy Cooper noted that there were inconsistencies in her story, and dismissed the charges and sealed the case forever. (Duke University wasted no time in clandestinely razing the scene of the crime on Buchanan Street, as if by doing so it would erase the disgraceful event that took place there.)
Per its usual methodology in Duke Lacrosse related stories, the media failed to get Crystal Mangum’s side of the story. Interviews with CNN and other news network programs scrubbed them without broadcast because Ms. Mangum presented herself well and credible… this did not fit in with the image of her that they wanted to depict to the world. Soledad O’brien was one of the interviewers of Mangum… an interview which was left on the cutting room floor.
As a result of the biased, selective, skewed, and one-sided reporting by the media, the unenlightened masses have had forced upon them a negative and derogatory image of this single African American mother of three. (The same abhorrent treatment dished out to former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong who was unceremoniously disbarred and who was forced to resign from the position at which he honorably served with uncommon professional integrity and courage.) Mainstream media assertively discredits Mangum’s sexual assault claims in the Duke case without knowledge to back it up… nothing other than Cooper’s statement that her stories were “inconsistent.”
From an objective view, it is not unrealistic to acknowledge that some statements made after such a traumatic experience could change after sufficient time from the incident to reflect upon what had transpired… clarity borne of the unveiling of painfully suppressed memories. Definitions of “rape” vary legally amongst different states, with North Carolina’s being one of the more restrictively interpreted… and this misconstrued meaning could lend itself to “inconsistencies” by Ms. Mangum. The fact is that it is not all that uncommon for any victim of a traumatic crime to present versions of the event that contain subtle and nonspecific differences. Because absolute consistency in the retelling of an event may be missing, one can not assume that it is an intentional act for the purpose of deception.
Specifically in Ms. Mangum’s 2006 Duke Lacrosse case, I believe misinterpretation of the legal definition of rape was a factor contributing to possible inconsistencies, but other than that, I am not aware of discrepancies referred to by A.G. Cooper during his promulgation.
The bigger lie?
Now lets compare truthfulness of the inconsistencies of Mangum’s 2006 narratives to Dr. Clay Nichols’ Autopsy Examination Report on Reginald Daye, dated April 14, 2011.
Which is the bigger lie? I unequivocally submit that the proven lies contained within the medical examiner’s autopsy report are bigger, more blatant, and far more egregious than any non-consistent misstatement that Ms. Mangum made related to the Duke case.
Dr. Nichols lies about the findings during the autopsy and gives a false and unsupported conclusion about the cause of death with major omissions. First the false findings, and there are many:
1. A laceration (perforation) to the left lower lung. There is no such documentation within the medical records including the autopsy report. There exists no evidence of radiological evidence that the left lung was punctured as the chest x-ray showed no pneumothorax (air in the left thoracic cavity). Also, no mention of any lung lesion or repair, or even a thoracic surgeon consult in the operative report;
2. A laceration to the diaphragm. There is no such mention of a lesion to the diaphragm or any repair in the operative report;
3. A laceration to the fundus of the stomach. This is false as the operative report states, “the stomach pancreas is without injury.” This is in stark contradiction to the report by Dr. Nichols which states, “sutures are identified around the fundus of the stomach.” How is that possible?
4. A laceration to the left kidney. Dr. Nichols stated in his report that the left kidney held sutures, whereas the operative report makes no mention of suturing the left kidney. The operative report reads, “The kidney bed was explored, but no evidence of bleeding was found.” Again, there is no mention of a lesion to this organ or any repair with suturing; and
5. “Multiple minor scabbed over lesions and minor contusions which may represent defensive injuries are found running from essentially the left biceps to the left wrist.” This is contrary to the preoperative orthopedic consult report by Steven A. Olson, M.D. who wrote, “There are no appreciable lacerations or skin breaks in the visualized areas of his 4 extremities.” Not only that, but the onsite EMS report on Daye reads with respect to his left upper extremity: “Assessed with not abnormalities.”
These discrepancies (or “inconsistencies”) in Dr. Nichols’ report prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the April 14, 2011 Autopsy Examination Report which was the basis for the first degree murder charge against Crystal Mangum is fraudulent… and it doesn’t require a medical degree or training to figure that out; just a fifth grade reading comprehension level.
The conclusion that Reginald Daye died from complications of a stab wound to the chest is not supported by Dr. Nichols in his report. He provides no nexus showing how the non-fatal stab wound which was successfully treated by a trauma surgical team at Duke University Hospital (with a postoperative prognosis for a full recovery) led to Daye’s demise. Instead, he conveniently omits any mention of the true predisposing factors and incidents that precipitated Daye’s untimely and unexpected death. In particular, there is no mention of the fact that Daye was an alcoholic, in the setting of a stuporous blood alcohol level of 296 mg/dL… groundwork for alcoholic withdrawal. Despite prophylactic treatment with sedatives, Daye lapsed into delirium tremens which required his transfer to the Surgical Intensive Care Unit. No mention by Dr. Nichols. In the SICU, Mr. Daye vomited after introduction of an oral contrast agent via a nasogastric tube. To protect his airway, he was intubated, but tube placement in the esophagus instead of the trachea (confirmed by a negative EtCO2) resulted in a cardiac arrest. No mention by Dr. Nichols. With CPR and replacement of the endotracheal tube, this time with proper placement in the airway, the heart was resuscitated and began beating spontaneously, but the brain cells had been without oxygen for too long and resulted in Daye being in an irreversible comatose state. No mention by the medical examiner. After a week of observation on life support without sign of neurological improvement, Daye was removed from life support and he died. No mention about this in the autopsy report by Dr. Nichols.
The fact that the autopsy report used to charge Ms. Mangum with murder was fraudulent in its findings and unsupported in its conclusion were made evident to the media after the mid-August 2011 release of the report and in early 2012 after Daye’s medical records were reviewed by Sidney B. Harr. Despite the fact that Harr was a retired physician, the mainstream media ignored his claims that the autopsy report tendered by Dr. Nichols contained fabrications and falsehoods. Specifically, he tried unsuccessful to get WRAL-5 News (which professes to have an interest in confronting issues of injustice [i.e., its documentary about the wrongly incarcerated Gregory Flynt Taylor titled, “6,125 Days”]) to at least look into his claim, however the station ignored him… just like other media contacted by Harr. No investigation would be forthcoming that would look into an alleged criminally false medical examiner’s autopsy report used as a basis for a murder charge to put an innocent Crystal Mangum in jail for the rest of her life (as a vendetta for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case).See letter to Jim Goodmon
The media was consumed in trying to get a hold of the personal cell phone records of former University of North Carolina football coach Butch Davis to see what dirt it could dig up on him, his former assistant John Blake, and the Tar Heel football players who had parking tickets excused. When it came to a possible wrongdoing against the media-produced pariah Crystal Mangum, mainstream media lacked incentive to investigate… mainly because they had no desire to have any story that might garner an ounce of sympathy for Mangum to reach the public’s eyes or ears. Mainstream media knew of the wrongdoing against Mangum and it was their intention to keep it hidden from the people. See letter to ABC-11
On September 27, 2012, I reluctantly hand-delivered a letter to the North Carolina Medical Board for Executive Director R. David Henderson. It contained a formal complaint against Dr. Clay Nichols regarding his falsified autopsy report of April 14, 2011, which was the foundation for the murder charge against Ms. Mangum. I was not seeking to have sanctions or punitive measures taken against him as I considered Dr. Nichols to be another victim of the Carpetbagger Jihadist Agenda against everyone considered by the Powers-That-Be to be on the wrong end of the Duke Lacrosse case. No doubt, Dr. Nichols had been aware of the cruel and ruthless actions taken by the state and media against Mr. Nifong when he refused to follow the 2006 game plan and dismiss charges against the Duke Lacrosse defendants. So, I believe that he was forced to concoct the phony autopsy report to enable Durham prosecutor Kelly Gauger to charge her with murder.
The reason that I filed the complaint against Dr. Nichols was to inform the Medical Board of the fraud committed by one of their licensed practitioners. Because of the protective reporting by the media, Judie Clark, the Director of Complaints, told me that she was unaware of this controversial issue. In addition, I had hoped that the Board’s director or other official would provide a written document on their stationery stating that the Autopsy Examination Report on Reginald Daye that was submitted by Dr. Nichols contained numerous errors and misstatements, and should not be given legal consideration. I explained that such a statement of facts would go a long ways towards the release from confinement an innocent mother of three. My reasonable humanitarian plea was rebuked by the Medical Board, citing regulations that did not authorize such actions as producing such a letter. In other words, the North Carolina Medical Board would rather see an innocent woman remain locked up in a Durham County jail cell rather than write a simple paragraph stating that factual discrepancies in an autopsy report should be disregarded in any legal process.See letter to R. David Henderson
Summary
To recap, the mainstream media repeatedly refers to Crystal Mangum as a “false accuser” based solely upon the word of the state’s attorney general that there were “inconsistencies” in her Duke Lacrosse related story.
Proven discrepancies between Dr. Nichols’ autopsy report and medical records factually discredit his report which is the underpinning of the state’s murder charge against Crystal Mangum and the media turns a blind eye and sticks its head in the sand… no curiosity about the truthfulness and accuracy of Nichols’ autopsy report on Daye… no attempt to investigate this criminally fraudulent document used to trump up the murder charge against Mangum.
Dr. Nichols is not referred to as a liar even though his report is nothing more than prevarication upon which no statement can be considered to be honest.
Prosecutors Kelly Gauger and Charlene Coggins-Franks, who conspired with Dr. Nichols to trump up the murder charge against Mangum, are not scrutinized by the media for their misdeeds and malfeasances.
Crystal’s defense attorney Woody Vann does his best to keep hidden the truth about the autopsy report by instructing the defense expert witness Dr. Christena L. Roberts not to produce a written report about her findings regarding Daye’s death and autopsy report.
Dr. Christena Roberts refuses to accept any correspondence from Crystal Mangum which is seeking to have a report about Daye in writing.See letter from Mangum to Dr. Christena Roberts
And the North Carolina Medical Board goes through the motions in pretending to follow up on the complaint filed by Harr.
Bottom line is that Dr. Nichols produced the fraudulent autopsy report because he lacked Nifong the professional integrity and courage to do the right thing… even in the face of dire and unforeseen consequences. The example the state and media made of Mike Nifong for his independent course in the Duke Lacrosse case which contradicted the one demanded by the Powers-That-Be was not lost on Medical Examiner Nichols… and he towed the line as instructed, even though it included dishonesty and criminal activity. The fact that Dr. Nichols publicly stood by his false autopsy report is highly indicative that the Powers-That-Be are standing behind him with promises that he will not be held liable for his part in the framing of Ms. Mangum for murder in Daye’s death.See news article about Dr. Nichols
So, which is the bigger lie? Alleged inconsistencies by Mangum regarding a possible assault during a bacchanalia hosted by the Duke lacrosse student/athlete/partygoers, or a proven fraudulent autopsy report used as the basis for a murder charge in a vendetta prosecution? I submit that any reasonable person with full knowledge of the facts and an objective mind would agree that the bigger lie is that by the state of North Carolina in its persecution of Crystal Mangum, and the mainstream media for its collusion in the cover-up of the state’s reprehensible acts.
487 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 487 of 487The posters over at Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers are rubbing yheir hands with glee. When this proves to be a forgery they are all going to look very foolish. Their predictable reaction, though, does go a long way to expose their zealotry. The theories they advance about this are completely silly.
well, kenny ......this one is going to be pretty easy to figure out. either she did it or she didn't. and I would expect that there are people who are looking into the validity as I am typing this post. Mangum has a long and documented history of emotional and mental issues; she has been hospitalized previously. Appropriately her records of treatment were sealed by the court.........which, of course, demonstrates the APPROPRIATE way these kinds of data are handled......as opposed to the ILLEGAL publication of Daye's records by Harr.
If Mangum wrote and mailed this petition, she either is whacked or she is trying to create an illusion and diversion to avoid trial. We have seen this behavior in her before. We will see.......
I don't blame anybody whois laughing at this turn of events or at the content in the document. It is hilarious........if Mangum is trying to fake mental illness, then it fits completely with her prior behavior of manipulation, avoidance, and street-smart attitude. If she has, indeed, deteriorated into fantasy and illusion, then obviously she is going to need professional evaluation............AND.............the court will need to take another look at her competence to stand trial......much less represent herself. I find this all very peculiiar and I am cynical about the timing of this petition.
I appreciate the analysis from the liestoppers comments. Already we know the document was mail stamped from Philadelphia and, apparently, there are inconsistencies in her signature(s). We also know that the filing itself followed a proper template but contained numerous errors of spelling, structure and grammar that were obvious. Perhaps it is just a hoax.....perhaps not. Either way the filing has to precipitate an investigation and, either way, Mangum will have to respond to counsel questions ........and, not sure, Lance? In open court? If it's a hoax, Mangum will have to deny same under oath.
I can't see Mangum admitting in any format that she was not raped........unless she is finally so desperate to avoid going to prison for murder......that she has consciously or unconsciously ......made this admission in a whacked document.
There are a couple of possibilities here.
1. She filed and she is telling her version of the truth, as she sees it.
2. She filed and she is insane and delusional
3. Somebody else wrote and filed this document and forged her signature and she knew nothing about it
4. Somebody else wrote and filed this document and made her sign it, and she knew it was false.
Of note, her signature on the petition document may be a deliberate distortion....or....somebody is dumb enough to not spell her name correctly. Mangum is loaded with street smarts; not to be underestimated.
If Mangum filed, she had to have gotten assistance......so we know there is at least one other person involved here if Mangum had anything to do with this document. I find it more likely that this is just somebody's idea of a funny joke....but a dangerous one, no doubt. Nifong did, in fact, know Crystal Mangum before the 2006 party. Checking to see if she ever had a bank account with BOA is a no-brainer. Nifong is going to have to respond, no matter what. His attorney has already commented. My guess is that Harr is going to come out with some kind of equivocal statement that says Mangum knew nothing about the document, that most of it is false, BUT that whoever did write it is, in some measure, telling the truth........because, Harr will say, that Mangum was the victim and puppet is a much larger white oppressor conspiracy that included sex slaves.....or some other nonsense. You watch, folks, this business will be twisted by Harr to reinforce his wild conspiracy theories ......
KENHYDERAL:
Are your most recent comments about Malek Williams a Madonna Constantine maneuver?
Madonna Constantine was a professor who, while under investigation for academic plagiarism, reported someone had hung a noose on her door. surveillance cameras did not show anyone hanging the noose. By all the information available, it was determined ex Professor Constantine had herself hung the noose to distract attention away from her plagiarism.
So, are these most recent Malek Williams posts of yours an attempt on your part to exorcise your Malek Williams persona?
KENHYDERAL:
Much as it pains me to do so, I agree with you that this motion may be a hoax. Let's wait and see.
Have you considered, hoax or not, one possible outcome will be that Crystal is declared mentally unfit to stand trial(she does have a long mental history) and will be committed to a treatment facility rather than convicted of a felony and incarcerated in a penal institution.
The only people who would like to see such a thing would be Crystal's supporters. There are not many of those, considering the posts on this blog.
There is a possibility that this was another Madonna Constantine maneuver.
Rephrasing:
KENHYDERAL:
Are your most recent comments about Malek Williams a Madonna Constantine maneuver?
Madonna Constantine was a professor who, while under investigation for academic plagiarism, reported someone had hung a noose on her door. surveillance cameras did not show anyone hanging the noose. By all the information available, Ex Professor Constantine came under suspicion for hanging the noose herself. Her motive was given as an attempt to distract attention from the plagiarism allegations.
So, are these most recent Malek Williams posts of yours an attempt on your part to exorcise your Malek Williams persona?
October 31, 2012 6:43 AM
KENHYDERAL:
I submit as Crystal supporters who might attempt to pull a Madonna Constantine maneuver:
Yourself
Malek Williams(whether or not he is your alter ego)
The New Black Panther Party(judging from the interview with Michelle Malkin, they were pretty angry with DA NIFONG - originally suggested by a poster in the appropriately named Liestoppers).
SIDNEY HARR(last but by no means least)
KENHYDERAL:
I submit, the person who perpetrated the forgery, at this point, with so much certainty that it was a forgery.
KENHYDERAL:
YouTube video of Michelle Malkin interviewing Malik Shabazz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihAY2Ti2O2Y
Correction:
KENHYDERAL:
I submit, the person who perpetrated the forgery, at this point, WOULD KNOW with so much certainty that it was a forgery.
It seems fairly obvious, and STUPID, that anybody would be dumb enough to have a return address from Philadelphia sent along with a forgery/hoax. (given that Mangum is in jail in Durham and would obviously have had to have assistance). However, nobody has ever said that the Crystal Cult included mental giants, that for sure. I wonder if Victoria et al have finally figured out that the only way to keep Mangum from spilling her guts in court is to keep her out of court.....and locked safely away in a hospital. It would be kinda embarrassing to Sidney, Kenny and the 88 Clan if she got on the stand said no rape happened. My goodness, let the games begin!
Cannot wait, I mean, cannnnnnnnooooot wait to hear the sidney whine and righteous indignation about the apparent tomfoolery of the document....true or not.....falsely submitted or not.......denied by Mangum or not. wouldn't it be funny if all this were, in fact, true? that Mangum was a sex slave, sold by her (black) parents into a pedophile ring? Used by politicians...a bunch of whom, in our area, happen to be, ye gads, black? Admitting that there was no rape? Admitting that Nifong paid her off in order to get himself elected?
As a poster has said elsewhere, Crystal Mangum should be an entire course in the Afro American studies department at Duke.
Funny stuff in the content of the petition, phony or not. If you google the guy who killed all those people in Colorado and go to YouTube, you can find a connection (in the minds of conspiracy wingnuts like Harr) between this murderer and those who persist in dabbling in the MKUltra historical nonsense. Ah, I can hear the black helicopters circling overhead now, ready to swoop down and abduct poor Sister.
Anonymous said: "YouTube video of Michelle Malkin interviewing Malik Shabazz"......... I agree with much of what Attorney Shabazz says "here" but I believe the majority of the blame goes to the Defense Team instead of to DA Nifong. His big mistake was having such a poor investigation. This opened the door to the campaign to discredit the victim. This discreditation is on-going and it continues to victimize her six plus years on. Incidently Crystal does not blame DA Nifong and she is a member of Dr. Harr's Justice for Nifong Committee.
One comical aspect of the petition is the reference to Holmes...a white guy....who is clearly off his bottlecap and who murdered 12 innocent people in a mass shooting in Colorado. I think we know that Harr would never stoop so low as to say that (faking himself as Mangum) she would marry a white guy. God forbid that Mangum would be THAT desperate. That statement alone makes all the rest fodder for circle jerk conspirators to spew about for decades to come.
Anonymous @ 7:19 said: "I submit, the person who perpetrated the forgery, at this point, WOULD KNOW with so much certainty that it was a forgery"........ Duh! the person who perpetrated the forgery knows it with 100% certainty but so does anyone else who knows Crystal. It's only thoes who've bought into the lies told about her that have any doubt.
Kenny, you kinda missed the intended irony in the poster's comment about knowing with certainty. Let me spell it out. You were quite definitive in your assessment that it is a fake document. How you could know this, with so much certainity, could only mean you have already spoken directly to Mangum, or, you know something far more about the source of the fakery. Get it now?
I also remind Kenny and others that Harr claims, with 100% certainity, that Mangum knew about the motions he filed and, in fact, signed them! However, she stood up in court with Shell and flatly denied knowing anything about the motions, as did Shella. So, who do we believe THIS time? Was Harr lying? (heaven forbid, he never lies....) Or, was Mangum lying in court? Hmmmmmm.....
As my old goofy grandmother said, if you tell the whole truth, you have nothing to worry about and you don't have to keep track of your story. Mangum and Harr et al must be having a little bit of a problem......
To set the record straight, yet again, Kenny...... the overwhelming majority of posters on the LS forum are engaging in appropriate and thoughtful cyncism and very reserved doubt about the authenticity of the document. If anybody cares to review comments from LS, you will find that there is significant indepth discussion about possible fraudulent signatures, questions about the Philadelphia posting, the timing of the postmark, etc. There is not, as Kenny as inaccurately portrayed, widespread acceptance that the document is real.
KENHYDERAL:
"I agree with much of what Attorney Shabazz says "here" but I believe the majority of the blame goes to the Defense Team instead of to DA Nifong."
You again manifest your unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racism, which racism you direct against innocent Caucasian men.
Since it was established definitively that no rape happened, what the defense attorneys did was discredit the false accusations made against their innocent clients. When the false accusations were discredited, the false accuser was discredited.
KENHYDERAL:
"This opened the door to the campaign to discredit the victim. This discreditation is on-going and it continues to victimize her six plus years on. Incidently Crystal does not blame DA Nifong and she is a member of Dr. Harr's Justice for Nifong Committee."
If unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racists like yourself would cease to claim, without offering proof, that the false allegations were true, there would be no need to continue to discredit the false allegations and, by extension, the false accuser who made them.
KENHYDERAL:
"Duh! the person who perpetrated the forgery knows it with 100% certainty but so does anyone else who knows Crystal."
So de facto you concede it might be someone who knows Crystal who authored the document. You do not deny it.
"It's only thoes(sic) who've bought into the lies told about her that have any doubt."
I rephrase the earlier comment of anonymous October 31, 2012 9:15 AM:
A lot of people who have not bought into the lies you and SIDNEY have told about Crystal(e.g. she was the vctim in the Duke Lacrosse case) are questioning the authenticity of the document.
Since no one told any discrediting lies about Crystal(there were a lot of discrediting truths revealed, like she identified innocent men as her assailants) you mean o one is unquestionably accepting the validity of the document.
Correction of typo:
KENHYDERAL:
"Duh! the person who perpetrated the forgery knows it with 100% certainty but so does anyone else who knows Crystal."
So de facto you concede it might be someone who knows Crystal who authored the document. You do not deny it.
"It's only thoes(sic) who've bought into the lies told about her that have any doubt."
I rephrase the earlier comment of anonymous October 31, 2012 9:15 AM:
A lot of people who have not bought into the lies you and SIDNEY have told about Crystal(e.g. she was the vctim in the Duke Lacrosse case) are questioning the authenticity of the document.
Since no one told any discrediting lies about Crystal(there were a lot of discrediting truths revealed, like she identified innocent men as her assailants) you mean no one is unquestionably accepting the validity of the document.
The troll is inserting his little troll foot into his very large troll mouth. Please do not feed the troll.
LOL
KENHYDERAL:
You do not deny that this document, regardless of who authored it, opens the door to Crystal being deemed mentally unfit to stand trial.
To set the record straight, yet again, Kenny...... the overwhelming majority of posters on the LS forum are engaging in appropriate and thoughtful cyncism and very reserved doubt about the authenticity of the document. If anybody cares to review comments from LS, you will find that there is significant indepth discussion about possible fraudulent signatures, questions about the Philadelphia posting, the timing of the postmark, etc. There is not, as Kenny as inaccurately portrayed, widespread acceptance that the document is real"........ Common sense eventually kicked-in and dampened the unrestrained glee that they displayed initially. They began to realize how foolish they were starting to look. There are still a few hold-outs here and there who keep hoping.
Anonymous @ 9:25 said: "If unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racists like yourself would cease to claim, without offering proof, that the false allegations were true, there would be no need to continue to discredit the false allegations and, by extension, the false accuser who made them" .......... So you think if Dr.Harr and I would go away they could fold up Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers? Not with million dollar civil suits pending. Don't be so naïve. It's all about dirty money.
Anonymous said: You were quite definitive in your assessment that it is a fake document. How you could know this, with so much certainity, could only mean you have already spoken directly to Mangum, or, you know something far more about the source of the fakery. Get it now?"............. No I don't. I haven't spoken to Crystal but, knowing her, I knew with certainty that she did not do that. I know nothing about it's source and I assume neither does Crystal. I've called on the F.B.I to determine who is trying to subvert justice. Here's a question who would be the beneficiary of Crystal claiming she was not sexually assaulted?
Anonymous @ 9:37 said: "You do not deny that this document, regardless of who authored it, opens the door to Crystal being deemed mentally unfit to stand trial"....... Whaa? Suggestions that Crystal is not mentally fit are just further examples of attempts that are continuously being made to discredit Crystal.
Anonymous @ 9:36 said: "The troll is inserting his little troll foot into his very large troll mouth. Please do not feed the troll"...................... You can always tell someone is losing an argument, when they resort to personal attacks and name calling.
KENHYDERAL:
"So you think if Dr.Harr and I would go away they could fold up Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers? Not with million dollar civil suits pending. Don't be so naïve. It's all about dirty money."
I already knew that you and SIDNEY incapable of doing the decent thing and cease accusing innocent Caucasian men of raping Crystal.
Give us some proof that the attorneys for the Lacrosse players are behind the appropriately named Liestoppers.
KENHYDERAL:
"No I don't. I haven't spoken to Crystal but, knowing her, I knew with certainty that she did not do that. I know nothing about it's source and I assume neither does Crystal. I've called on the F.B.I to determine who is trying to subvert justice. Here's a question who would be the beneficiary of Crystal claiming she was not sexually assaulted?"
The answer to your question is no one. There is already an overwhelming preponderance of evidence that Crystal was not sexually assaulted. The fact, that you can give no evidence that she was assaulted is circumstantial evidence she was not. De facto, you are making the case for the innocence of the Lacrosse players. Congratulations. It may be unintentional on your part, but you are doing the right thing thereby.
Now answer the question which you seem to be dodging. Who would benefit if Crystal were deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial?
KENHYDERAL:
"You can always tell someone is losing an argument, when they resort to personal attacks and name calling."
You have resorted to personal attacks, not only on the innocent men Crystal falsely accused but also on their families. Hence, besides being an unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist, you are one sorry loser.
KENHYDERAL:
"Whaa? Suggestions that Crystal is not mentally fit are just further examples of attempts that are continuously being made to discredit Crystal."
As there have been no previous attempts to discredit Crystal, except by way of discrediting the false accusations she made against innocent Caucasian Duke Lacrosse players, there can be no ongoing attempts to further discredit Crystal - except maybe on the part of Crystal or of some of her few supporters.
Answer the question. Who would benefit from having Crystal declared mentally incompetent to stand trial for murder? If that is the truth, Crystal avoids the possibility of a felony conviction and a prison term. Of course she may be committed to a treatment facility for who knows how long.
Is this the truth by which SIDNEY is hoping to get her off from a criminal conviction?
KENHYDERAL:
"Common sense eventually kicked-in and dampened the unrestrained glee that they displayed initially. They began to realize how foolish they were starting to look. There are still a few hold-outs here and there who keep hoping."
It is obvious by your insistance that Crystal was the victim of a rape(a rape for which you can offer no evidence except for a statement from a vanished, unverifiable anonymous source that some anonymous unverifiable source witnessed the rape) that Common sense has yet to give you a much needed kick.
Resorting to name calling? You mean like when Houston Baker sent an email to the mother of one of the LAX guys telling her she had given birth to a farm animal? You mean like that, Kenny hissy?
Crystal is not "claiming" she was not raped. She is ADMITTING she was not raped. Big difference...but apparently not clear to a racist who have his racist blinders permanently attached to his eyeballs and his brain
Kenny just cannot accept it when he is caught in a deliberate distortion, can he? nice dodge......now he says the folks over at LS have had some sort of evangelical event and seen the light of the POSSIBLE fakery. Hey, Kenny, the SECOND post on the thread directly speak to the possibility that the document may be a FAKE.......and numerous posts thereafter spoke directly to this possibility as well. Nice try, another lie from you, Kenny
Kenny and Harr operate very much the same way. When they get confronted with a lie on their part, they never admit to it. they just do their little sidestep dance and try to hide. Harr, when he tried to say the LAX house was demolished "immediately" and clandestinely....which was a lie.....and Kenny, when he makes a claims that the posters at LS were/are buying into the Mangum petition as real and rejoicing in its silliness.....also a lie.
Tell you what, I think the petition silly, too......no matter who wrote it....and no matter whether mangum knew anything about it. And, yeah, it's funny as all get-out. However, do I automatically assume it is real? Hell, no. Nothing swirling around Mangum can be taken at its face value......in particular her story about killing Daye in self defense!
The LS thread in reference to the motion was started by a regular at LS...Quasimodo. The SECOND post in the thread establishes question of authenticity and thereafter, there are countless postings that speak to the very issue of doubt and potential fakery. Kenny, you unfairly and inaccurately characterized the nature of the postings on this topic in LS.
We have grown to expect such from you...........
The LS thread in reference to the motion was started by a regular at LS...Quasimodo. The SECOND post in the thread establishes question of authenticity and thereafter, there are countless postings that speak to the very issue of doubt and potential fakery. Kenny, you unfairly and inaccurately characterized the nature of the postings on this topic in LS.
We have grown to expect such from you...........
Anonymous @ 11:31 said: "Answer the question. Who would benefit from having Crystal declared mentally incompetent to stand trial for murder. The question, in this case,is hypothetical because Crystal will never be declared mentally incompetent.
Anonymous @ 1:41 said: "The LS thread in reference to the motion was started by a regular at LS...Quasimodo. The SECOND post in the thread establishes question of authenticity and thereafter, there are countless postings that speak to the very issue of doubt and potential fakery"...... Yeah, a few, but not many, cooler heads prevailed, realizing how foolish they were going to look if they ran with it. Eventually most, but not all, reluctantly agreed that they would probably not get a brand new opportunity to trash Crystal
So, Kenhyderal,
What are you doing about calling in the FBI? Have you actually done anything other than post a note on this blog? Are you waiting for Sidney to call them in?
Anonymous said: "Give us some proof that the attorneys for the Lacrosse players are behind the appropriately named Liestoppers"...........Maybe they are just a large group of individuals, so outraged by what happened to the poor, inadequately compensated, Duke LaCrosse Team, that they are willing to keep up the drum beat for justice daily for several years.
Guiowen @ 2:24 said:"What are you doing about calling in the FBI? Have you actually done anything other than post a note on this blog? Are you waiting for Sidney to call them in"... I'll leave that up to Crystal the victim of this forgery.
Anonymous @ 11:31 said" As there have been no previous attempts to discredit Crystal, except by way of discrediting the false accusations she made against innocent Caucasian Duke Lacrosse players" ....... Oh my God, are you actually saying there have been no other attempts to discredit Crystal's character other then saying she lied about being sexually assaulted. Where in the world have you been. And if you use the term Caucasian one more time I'm going to gag. This isn't about race except in your mind.
Anonymous @ 12:53 said" they (Dr.Harr and Kenhyderal) just do their little sidestep dance and try to hide"........ Keep in mind, dear readers, that this is coming from an anonymous poster. I don't hide from anyone.
Once again Kenny lies. Hope somebody is keeping score..... Thirteen pages of posts on LS on this thread.....and three posts , count me, three do not contain elements of question about fakery. Yep Kenny once again called out for the liar you are.
You are hiding in sand land not disclosing your true identity as ken Edwards and your true non relationship to Mangum.
KENHYDERAL:
"Oh my God, are you actually saying there have been no other attempts to discredit Crystal's character other then saying she lied about being sexually assaulted."
Yes I am.
"Where in the world have you been."
Gathering accurate information about the phony rape allegations against the innocent Caucasian Duke Lacrosse players.
"And if you use the term Caucasian one more time I'm going to gag."
Caucasian Caucasian Caucasian
"This isn't about race except in your mind."
Yes it is about race. Unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racists like you want innocent Caucasian men convicted of rape simply because they were falsely accused by a Black woman.
Present evidence which confirms that Crystal has been raped.
KENHYDERAL:
"Keep in mind, dear readers, that this is coming from an anonymous poster. I don't hide from anyone."
So what are you doing holed up in a country which has no extradition treaty with the United States?
Why were you concerned about whether or not Dubai had an extradition treaty with the US?
KENHYDERAL:
Because I used the Caucasian 3 more times(actually make that 4 times), does that mean you are not going to gag?
Why don't you gag over the injustice of charging innocent Caucasian men(make that 5) with committing a crime which never happened.
You have provided no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that Crystal was raped.
That some vanished, unverifiable, anonymous source told you that he heard from an unverifiable anonymous source that Crystal was raped, that is not evidence.
Anonymous disjoinedly said: "not disclosing your true identity as ken Edwards and your true non relationship to Mangum" .... Not disclosing your true identity as Ken Edwards? I am Ken Edwards and I hereby disclose it. (not disclosing your true non-relationship to (Crystal)Mangum) I disclose I am a friend of Crystal. What is meant by a "true" "non-relationship"
KENHYDERAL:
You ask where in the world I have been. Here is another answer. I have been reading about all the evidence that Crystal was not raped:
Crystal alleged a semen depositing rape.
She repeatedly changed her story as to how the semen depositing rape occurred.
Physical exam revealed no evidence of rape.
Forensic examination of the rape kit showed no semen had been deposited on her person.
She accused members of the Lacrosse team of raping her but could not reliably identify any Lacrosse team member as an assailant.
What have you been reading? I suspect you read Crystal's book, written after she had been exposed as a false accuser. Although she alleged she had been raped, she never gave any details to corroborate her story.
You have also been emails frm anonymous, now vanished unverifiable Kilgo, who never documented he knew anything about the phony rape case.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous disjoinedly said: "not disclosing your true identity as ken Edwards and your true non relationship to Mangum" .... Not disclosing your true identity as Ken Edwards? I am Ken Edwards and I hereby disclose it. (not disclosing your true non-relationship to (Crystal)Mangum) I disclose I am a friend of Crystal."
So? You think you have proven Crystal was raped, even though you have never provided evidence. Crystal's and Kilgo's allegations are merely unsupported allegations.
What is meant by a "true" 'non-relationship'"?
To anyone with a modicum of intellect, it means the poster says you are lying about being a friend of Crystal.
You just resent Caucasian(6) men who are better off and more accomplished than you.
KENHYDERAL:
"Maybe they are just a large group of individuals, so outraged by what happened to the poor, inadequately compensated, Duke LaCrosse Team, that they are willing to keep up the drum beat for justice daily for several years."
You admit you have no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that anyone has been trying to discredit Crystal.
And via this comment, you have indulged in making a personal attack on innocent, falsely accused Caucasian(7) Lacrosse players.
You also reveal, yet again, how much you resent Caucasian(8) men who are better off and more accomplished than you are.
KENHYDERAL:
"Yeah, a few, but not many, cooler heads prevailed, realizing how foolish they were going to look if they ran with it. Eventually most, but not all, reluctantly agreed that they would probably not get a brand new opportunity to trash Crystal".
The posters on the appropriately named Liestoppers have never trashed Crystal(unless someone, like an unreasonable, guilt presuming, unrepentant racist who hates Caucasian(9) men, you believe exposing a false accuser as a false accuser is trashing her). Therefore, they would not be much interested in "a brand new opportunity to trash Crystal".
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 11:31 said: 'Answer the question. Who would benefit from having Crystal declared mentally incompetent to stand trial for murder.' The question, in this case,is hypothetical because Crystal will never be declared mentally incompetent."
No, the question is unanswered because you have ducked it.
once again our shallow intellect friend, kenny, fails to see and respond to the point. he whines about anon posting and claims that anon posts lacks credibility, even worthy of a response. YET, he bases he claims about the non-rape of Sister on the postings of the totally UNPORVEN KILgo, who is entirely anon, and who, as far as we all know, is NON existent. funny how kenny is so challenge intellectually that he can't seem to get the point here.
another MK ultra kid?
ooops tye typos bunion strikes again.....unproven.....not unproved
I questioned whether or not KENHYDERAL had a dysfunctional relationship with his mother.
Maybe KENNY's mother patted him on the head and said, you have a point there.
Anonymous @ 4:09 said: "YET, he bases he claims about the non-rape of Sister on the postings of the totally UNPORVEN KILgo, who is entirely anon, and who, as far as we all know, is NON existent"..... The poster with the user name Kilgo made hundred of posts here long before and for a while after came to this blog, so his existence is not in doubt. Before he left he was under the same sort of ad hominen attacks that I have been subjected to. When efforts were being made to raise bail for Crystal in her arson case he made a donation. When the money was not required because a Bail Bond Co. posted her bail pro-bono this individual agreed to have his donation towards her bail sent to help Crystal's children. Kilgo made several claims while he was posting here. One being that a friend and classmate of his was a Duke LaCrosse player who was a party invitee who did not take part in the sexual assault on Crystal but saw it happen. Another was that this friend has failed to come forward, out of team loyalty, but that his conscience was bothering him. Presumably this player is part of the lawsuit against Durham. This friend, Kilgo claims, also told him he had a photograph of David Evans with a mustache. Although Kilgo and the Player have not come forward, for whatever reason, I give credability to what is claimed because it coincides with what Crystal claimed happed to her. I speculate that the friend had regrets that he confided in Kilgo and asked him to please stop posting, even anonymously, the things he told hi in confidence and Kilgo agreed. If Kilgo would come back to the blog perhaps he can add more to what I know.
Anonymous @ 3:26 said: " To anyone with a modicum of intellect, it means the poster says you are lying about being a friend of Crystal"..........
And my motive for doing that would be?
Kenhyderal:
"Anonymous @ 4:09 said: 'YET, he bases he claims about the non-rape of Sister on the postings of the totally UNPORVEN KILgo, who is entirely anon, and who, as far as we all know, is NON existent'..... The poster with the user name Kilgo made hundred of posts here long before and for a while after came to this blog, so his existence is not in doubt."
Kilgo's existence is not in doubt. What is in doubt is that he is a reliable source of information on what happened in the phony Duke rape case. Kilgo has never established he knows anything about the Duke phony rape case.
"Before he left he was under the same sort of ad hominen attacks that I have been subjected to."
When called to back up his claims of what he knew about the Duke phony rape case, Kilgo always backed down. I guess you call challenges to his claims ad hominem attacks.
"When efforts were being made to raise bail for Crystal in her arson case he made a donation. When the money was not required because a Bail Bond Co. posted her bail pro-bono this individual agreed to have his donation towards her bail sent to help Crystal's children. Kilgo made several claims while he was posting here. One being that a friend and classmate of his was a Duke LaCrosse player who was a party invitee who did not take part in the sexual assault on Crystal but saw it happen. Another was that this friend has failed to come forward, out of team loyalty, but that his conscience was bothering him."
In other words, one anonymous unverifiable source cited another anonymous unverifiable source and you, who castigate anonymous sources as unreliable, believed him.
"Presumably this player is part of the lawsuit against Durham. This friend, Kilgo claims, also told him he had a photograph of David Evans with a mustache."
You earlier said Kilgo saw pictures of David Evans with a mustache. Another poster on this blog pointed out that there was an image of David Evans on one of the party photographs showing he did not have a mustache.
"Although Kilgo and the Player have not come forward, for whatever reason, I give credability to what is claimed because it coincides with what Crystal claimed happed to her."
In other words, because you believe Crystal's non credible unproven allegation, you believe unproven allegations of an unverifiable anonymous source.
"I speculate that the friend had regrets that he confided in Kilgo and asked him to please stop posting, even anonymously, the things he told hi in confidence and Kilgo agreed."
There is no evidence that this anonymous Lacrosse player exists and Kilgo stopped posting because he was being exposed as a fraud>
"If Kilgo would come back to the blog perhaps he can add more to what I know."
You have already shown you know nothing. Kilgo has shown he knows nothing. Nothing plus nothing equals nothing.
KENHYDERAL:
The word is credibility, not "credability".
KENHYDERAL:
Your persistent inability to spell properly in spite of spell checkers and on line dictionaries does nothing to repair your impaired credibility.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 3:26 said: ' To anyone with a modicum of intellect, it means the poster says you are lying about being a friend of Crystal'..........
And my motive for doing that would be?"
You are not a friend of Crystal who is passing yourself off as one. That gives you an opportunity to act out on your resentment of Caucasian men who are well off and more accomplished than you are.
KENHYDERAL:
"Before [Kilgo] left he was under the same sort of ad hominen attacks that I have been subjected to."
In other words, you do not like to be called out on presuming guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian men on the basis of unproven allegations from unreliable sources, Crystal, and Kilgo and his anonymous, probably non existent, Lacrosse player friend.
People like Harr and Ken Edwards seem to have unquenchable needs for attention, self promotion, and overstatement of their intellectual abilities. There is always the refrain of something like harr's insufferable use of the word "enlightenment" or Kenny's feeble attempts at using four dollar words when a quarter word will do. Very frequently, when cornered over a specific issue or question, Harr simply dances, points the finger to a strawman or remains silent. Kenny will simply revert to his standard answer of Crystal says it, I believe it, that settles it. When confronted with his lies about the fire setting, Harr refused to be a man and apologize.....rather, he attacked a LEO for calling the fire department. (stupid, harr). When confronted about his lies concerning the LAX house demolition, he pretended to not "understand". (bullcrap, harr). When Kenny is confronted over his regular mischaracterizations of opinion, as fact, he gets his shorts in a knot, spouts censorship baloney and throws in a "miss-spelled" latin phrase..........I suppose he thinks this makes him look educated.
What we have with these two is Kenny, the pseudo intellect, and Harr, the world's greatest physician-detective-lawyer-writer-social justice advocate......who, in reality is a sad little man, filled with racist and, frankly, paranoid nonsense about conspiracy, black helicopters, crop circles and the Klan Grand Dragoness, Rae Evans.
Total BILGE.
Excellent discussion and analysis on LS about the petition, including a fine post by Walt. check it out. As I read the material on LS, counsel for civil suit plaintiffs and the City of Durham have basically said they are not going to respond to the petition based on numerous technical errors with it. They are not obligated to respond to it. There is a post, too, that says Judge Beaty (spelling?) is essentially obligated to deal with, questioning Mangum, in open court, with counsel present from both sides in the various suits. I am not a lawyer, obviously, and just paraphrasing what I read on LS. If anybody is interested and wants to get an informed opinion, suggest to take a look at LS and the posts there. Overwhelming sentiment is that the petition is a fake/joke, or, deliberately submitted to help Mangum avoid the inevitable trial that could send her to prison. Remember: When Mangum was about to be taken to jail on the night of the LAX party, she changed her tune and said she had been raped. She knew that such an allegation would keep her out of jail and redirect her to a hospital, with attention and access to drugs. Perhaps the same avoidance strategy is in play here, yet again.......just speculating, right, Kenny! We are ALL entitled to our opinions, right, Kenny???
"add hominy" attacks? as in, full of beans and corn, perhaps, Ken Edwards......
It will be interesting to see how Judge Beaty handles the Mangum petition.....swept under the Durham rug because it is a hoax and easily ignored. Considered valid until denied by Mangum, under oath, in open court?
There were always questions about Nifong's bizarre behavior involving Mangum, and she consistently got a complete pass with respect to true investigation of what she was doing, to whom was she doing it, and who was pimping her. The Bunny Hole Escort Service owner was never even wrist slapped for running a stable. Yes, that WAS the name of the service, with her clear photos in vulgar poses on line. There was much speculation at the time that Mangum was well known to the local LE for her sexual activities and that Nifong's deceit with exculpatory evidence was totally designed to endear him to the black community. His behavior at the NCCU conference (on the news, local and national) was disgusting in its sucking up for votes.
Anonymous @ 3:53 said: You are not a friend of Crystal who is passing yourself off as one. That gives you an opportunity to act out on your resentment of Caucasian men who are well off and more accomplished than you are"............................. With you, no doubt being one of those better off and more accomplished then I. Apparently Adolf Hitler had some Jewish ancestry. I wonder if this "Caucasian" poster has some African American ancestry.
kenhyderal said...
'Anonymous @ 3:53 said: You are not a friend of Crystal who is passing yourself off as one. That gives you an opportunity to act out on your resentment of Caucasian men who are well off and more accomplished than you are"............................. With you, no doubt being one of those better off and more accomplished then I. Apparently Adolf Hitler had some Jewish ancestry. I wonder if this "Caucasian" poster has some African American ancestry.'
Kenhyderal, is this supposed to be a logical argument?
Guiowen said : "Kenhyderal, is this supposed to be a logical argument"........ No, It's simply a response to the ridiculous assertion that I am not a friend of Crystal and only pretend to be so.
Wow Kenny is invoking hitler, Jewish people and suspected mixed blood. Poor guy must need a Midol. Chill, Kenny.....you're gonna bust your bra strap.
Nobody who posts here cares if you are mangum's pen pal, sweetheart, secret club fellow member, dance partner, pimp, pastor or anything else. Poor thing, you......and I thought Harr had an ego the size of Cleveland.
Anonymous said: "Nobody who posts here cares if you are mangum's pen pal, sweetheart, secret club fellow member, dance partner, pimp, pastor or anything else"... Then why do some here repeatedly question it?. I'm simply a good friend.
Kenhyderal wrote: "I'm pretty sure that although Reade has an alibi for himeself he is privy to information that would help convict the perpetrators. If I am right this would detract from the honor he received."
Kenny would be wrong. Reade has no information that would help convict anyone except Crystal. The physical evidence, which does not lie, tells us that no sexual assault or rape took place at the lacrosse party. That being the case, the only evidence Reade could offer is against the false accuser Crystal Mangum.
KENHYDERAL:
"With you, no doubt being one of those better off and more accomplished then I."
You got that right.
"Apparently Adolf Hitler had some Jewish ancestry."
So?
"I wonder if this "Caucasian" poster has some African American ancestry."
No I do not. However I do owe a large debt of gratitude to two great Surgeons of African American ancestry for how I learned to do Cardiac Surgery and Vascular Surgery. They are obviously more accomplished than I am. They are far more accomplished than KENHYDERAL.
KENHYDERAL:
"No, It's simply a response to the ridiculous assertion that I am not a friend of Crystal and only pretend to be so."
What is ridiculous is the assertion that Crystal was raped by innocent Caucasian men, based on uncorroborated allegations you have heard, some of them from an anonymous unverifiable source citing another anonymous unverifiable source.
KENHYDERAL:
"Then why do some here repeatedly question it?. I'm simply a good friend."
Simply put, they do not believe anything you say is credible.
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