Friday, May 24, 2013

State v. Welch is not applicable to the Crystal Mangum case



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Much hullabaloo has been raised recently about the North Carolina Appellate Supreme Court ruling of November 2, 1999 in the case, State v. Welch. This ruling has been twisted and wrangled by a few of the commenters of this blog site in an attempt to essentially place blame for all events occurring at Duke University Hospital on Crystal Mangum.

Yes, Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser did stab Reginald Daye in the left side of his torso during the wee hours of Sunday, April 3, 2011, but that injury was far from being the proximate cause of his death… nor was it an intervening or contributory cause.

The appellate ruling by Honorable Judge Timmons-Goodson is actually one with which I concur. My position is that the State v. Welch case, though containing a few similarities with that of Mangum’s case, is markedly different with respect to essential conditions. Furthermore, the commenters to this blog site have taken the liberty to stretch far beyond logical bounds the findings and conclusions drawn by the black rober.

To begin with, we’ll acquaint you with the case of the State of North Carolina v. Theondra Ozell Welch, and then draw comparisons and contradictions with the Magnum case.

In the latter part of 1996, Theondra Ozell Welch had shared a residence in Sanford, North Carolina, with his girlfriend Martina Lemmons for approximately nine months… the past few months having been troubled.

On December 17, 1996, according to a report given to police by Mr. Welch, sometime after he arrived home around 5:00 pm, his girlfriend began to repeatedly refer to him using the “n-word” epithet. She then used her cell phone to converse with another man in front of Welch, which, he later admitted to police, made him angry.

He then grabbed a six inch kitchen knife which he stated that he carried for protection and stabbed her… once to his recollection, then shortly thereafter helped transport her to the emergency room for help.

The surgeon observed multiple stab wounds to her upper extremities and torso, which included one to the left chest wall. Ms. Lemmons’ vital signs and other physical findings indicated to the surgeon that she had lost a substantial amount of blood, and the doctor wanted to begin transfusing blood. However, Ms. Lemmons was a Jehovah’s Witness and in compliance with that religion’s mandates, she refused. Physicians waited until she had been placed under anesthesia and then tried to get consent for the transfusion from the patient’s mother and brother. It was unsuccessful as they too belonged to that religion.

Martina underwent surgery to treat her injuries, and following surgery her condition was stable, however she deteriorated as complications set in which the doctor believed were due to the lack of oxygen in her blood stream. Unfortunately, she she eventually passed away.

The surgeon stated that she probably would have survived her injuries had she accepted a transfusion when initially offered, but stated that he could not have made a guarantee on that point.

On February 3, 1997, Theondra Ozell Welch was indicted for first degree murder in the death of his girlfriend Martina Lemmons.

In comparing this case with Mangum’s, the similarities are that both couples were living together, Welch-Lemmons for about nine months, and Daye-Mangum for about one month.

Arguments preceded both acts of violence, and the source being the same… uncontrolled rage because the women had been conversing with another man. Prior to the argument with Daye, Mangum had spoken with a Durham police officer who was in the parking lot on an unrelated call.

Both women were victims of domestic violence with Lemmons being stabbed with a six inch kitchen knife, and Mangum being hit, her hair pulled out of her scalp, fingernail gouges to her face, and a locked bathroom door busted off its frame by Daye. Mangum claims that Daye was choking her when she grabbed a knife lying nearby and stabbed him once.

Although Lemmons received potentially life threatening injuries and sustained serious blood loss, Mangum’s injuries were not life threatening, and the stab wound she inflicted on Daye in self-defense was non-life threatening.

The autopsy report and hospital records of Ms. Lemmons are not available, so I am unaware of any pre-existing health condition or medical malpractice incident that may have contributed to her death.

Reginald Daye, however was a heavy alcoholic, and was heavily intoxicated on his admission to Duke University Hospital. Records show the medical staff recognized the threat of alcoholic withdrawal, and began administering sedatives early in his hospitalization.

Regarding malpractice, there is none related to Ms. Lemmons’ treatment according to the sparse amount of information available. Malpractice is an integral part of Daye’s treatment as esophageal intubation is a gross and life threatening mishap by a health care provider.

There is no doubt that the esophageal intubation led to anoxia, and subsequently Daye’s brain death. Likewise, his dire neurological prognosis without hope of any recovery was the determinant to remove Daye from life support… and it was the removal of life support that was the proximate cause of Reginald Daye’s death.

For purposes of elucidation, the definition of “proximate cause” will be given attention. Simply, it is defined thusly: An act from which an injury results as a natural, direct, uninterrupted consequence and without which the injury would not have occurred.

Although commonly used in reference to injuries due to alleged negligence in tort cases, we will use its application in the criminal case regarding Reginald Daye’s death.

The proximate cause of Daye’s brain death was clearly the errantly placed endotracheal tube that was introduced into his esophagus instead of trachea. Its wrong placement was the direct cause of lack of oxygen to the brain cells and cells throughout his body… and it was the lack of oxygen to the brain cells that resulted in his brain death. Consequently, the mis-positioned tube was also the direct cause of Daye’s cardiac arrest.

Had the initial intubation been tracheal instead of esophageal, then Daye would not have become brain dead and would not have lapsed into cardiac arrest. Both events were due to the wrongful placement of the endotracheal tube.

The stab wound was the proximate cause of injuries to Daye’s colon and spleen. Injuries from the stabbing were not considered to be fatal… as his stable condition provided the trauma surgeons with the luxury of performing CAT scans and other diagnostic examinations preoperatively. The surgery was a success and Mr. Daye had a prognosis for a full recovery.

To review, the proximate cause of Daye undergoing surgery on April 3, 2011, was the stab wound inflicted by Mangum.

The proximate cause of Daye’s brain death and cardiac arrest on April 6, 2011, was the esophageal intubation by Duke University Hospital staff.

The proximate cause of Reginald Daye’s actual death was his removal from life support on April 13, 2011, by Duke University Hospital staff.

Finally, the proximate cause of Reginald Daye’s transfer to the Surgical Intensive Care Unit was delirium tremens… a result of his alcoholic intoxication on admission and his history of alcoholism.

Mangum’s actions in stabbing Daye were responsible only for him undergoing surgery on April 3, 2011, which was uneventful and successful. The wound she inflicted to Daye had nothing to do with circumstances that occurred later in his hospitalization and included his lapsing into delirium tremens and transfer to the SICU, his brain death, his cardiac arrest, his removal from life support, and his actual death. For these events, Mangum is without liability.

Now, let’s apply law to the cases. In State v. Welch, the defendant alleges that his stabbing of Ms. Lemmons was not the act that was responsible for her death. He claims that she died because she refused to accept blood transfusions, and he cites the statements made by the surgeon. Defendant Welch claimed that had the victim accepted the transfusions early on, she would have survived… defining her refusal of this potentially life saving treatment as an intervening cause which led to her death. Put another way, had she allowed the transfusion of blood to take place, she would have lived.

In response to this argument, Judge Timmons-Goodson replied, “But for the defendant’s act of stabbing the victim, she would not have been in need of a transfusion.”

I full heartedly agree with the judge’s statement which is direct and limited. Specifically, it is noted that the defendant’s action of stabbing the victim was directly related to the treatment she required and refused. In Mangum’s case, however, the stabbing had nothing to do with the events that transpired later in Daye’s hospitalization, such as the esophageal intubation.

Commenters have also tried to broaden the scope of the judge’s statement. Keep in mind, the black rober did not state, “But for the defendant’s act of stabbing the victim, she would not have required hospitalization.”

Therefore, the commenter’s argument that claims that Mangum is responsible for every action and event that takes place during Daye’s hospitalization is not supported by this case. The ruling is specific and limited to the transfusion, as the defendant Welch is arguing that Ms. Lemmons’ refusal of the procedure was responsible for her death.

Also, neither the defendant nor judge state or suggest that malpractice had a role in the transfusion not being given… the word “malpractice” not even mentioned in Judge Timmons-Goodson’s decision.

Malpractice during the intubation of Daye, however, was an intervening and proximate cause of Daye’s brain death. This completely relieves Mangum of culpability in Daye’s brain death by Judge Timmons-Goodson’s statement that, “To escape responsibility based on an intervening cause, the defendant must show that the intervening cause was the sole cause of death,” or in Mangum’s case, “brain death.” Daye’s brain death would not have occurred without the esophageal intubation by Duke University Hospital staff.

Another argument used by the judge in the Welch case is that the doctor stated that he could not have guaranteed that the stabbing victim would have survived had she received a timely transfusion.

In Mangum’s case however, Daye’s prognosis by surgeons was for a full recovery. It was the independent and intervening act of an esophageal intubation that was the proximate cause of Daye’s brain death, and his elective removal from life support that was the proximate cause of his actual death.

Too many differences exist between the Mangum and Welch cases for there to be applicable case law. The Welch case decision is far more restrictive, defined, and limited than commenters to this blog site want to recognize.

I concur with the findings and decision of the State Supreme Court on State v. Welch, and believe it only strengthens the argument that Crystal Mangum is neither responsible for Reginald Daye’s brain death nor his actual death. 

154 comments:

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sidney,

On behalf of all your readers, I want to thank you for your remarkable candor. You provided real insight into your analytical skills.

Break described your thought process as follows:

Sidney reaches his conclusions independent of his analysis of the facts. His conclusions are based on what he wants to believe... Once he has reached his conclusion, he begins to evaluate the facts. He ignores any facts that contradict his conclusion... and exaggerates beyond all belief any facts that he believes support [it].

You endorsed this description of your thought process in your reply:

Thank you, Break, for your insightful comments.

Thank you, Sidney, for your honesty. You have provided an alternative explanation for the failure of the media to investigate your claims.


Obviously, you misinterpreted the comment by Break, confusing the comments he quoted with his actual responses.

I admit that it would have been a bit easier to follow had the quotes and comments been differentiated using italics, bold, or quotation marks. But anyway, I was able to understand what he was saying.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Dear Sidney, your silly web site and blog are rapidly losing steam and becoming increasingly boring. I can't wait, of course, for you to sit in the courtroom when Mangum goes to trial. Twitter feeds from bigot land, no less!


There's not going to be a trial. The prosecution is going to try and force a plea deal, and if they are unable to do so, they'll drop the charges at the last minute.

The prosecution doesn't have a case!!

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Prepare to be enlightened."

As enlightened as we were when we learned you had tried to conceal evidence that Reginald Daye WAS NOT an habitual violent abuser of women?


I'm an enlightener and rectifier. I don't deal in concealment of facts... I expose them.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I'm an enlightener and rectifier. I don't deal in concealment of facts... I expose them."

So why did you try to conceal the evidence that Reginald Daye WAS NOT an habitual violent abuser of women.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser did stab Reginald Daye".

Crystal is the victimizer/false accuser in the Duke Rape Case. You have never established as fact that she was victimized or that she was assaulted.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Both women(one of whom was Crystal) were victims of domestic violence".

You have never established as fact that Crystal was the victim of domestic abuse. You have tried to conceal evidence that Crystal was an inflicter of Domestic violence.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Reginald Daye, however was a heavy alcoholic, and was heavily intoxicated on his admission to Duke University Hospital."

You have not established that Reginald Daye was a chronic alcoholic.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Malpractice is an integral part of Daye’s treatment as esophageal intubation is a gross and life threatening mishap by a health care provider."

You have not established as fact that there was any medical malpractice in the treatment of Reginald Daye. It has been established that you lack the credentials to recognize medical malpractice.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"There is no doubt that the esophageal intubation led to anoxia, and subsequently Daye’s brain death."

Wrong.

There is no evidence that the ET tube had been placed in the esophagus.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
The proximate cause of Daye’s brain death was clearly the errantly placed endotracheal tube that was introduced into his esophagus instead of trachea. Its wrong placement was the direct cause of lack of oxygen to the brain cells and cells throughout his body… and it was the lack of oxygen to the brain cells that resulted in his brain death. Consequently, the mis-positioned tube was also the direct cause of Daye’s cardiac arrest."

You ave not established that the ET tube had been placed in the esophagus.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I concur with the findings and decision of the State Supreme Court on State v. Welch, and believe it only strengthens the argument that Crystal Mangum is neither responsible for Reginald Daye’s brain death nor his actual death."

Boy are you deluded.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"In Mangum’s case, however, the stabbing had nothing to do with the events that transpired later in Daye’s hospitalization, such as the esophageal intubation."

You have not established that the ET tube had been placed in the esophagus. The intubation was necessitated by complications of the stab wound inflicted by Crystal.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Therefore, the commenter’s argument that claims that Mangum is responsible for every action and event that takes place during Daye’s hospitalization is not supported by this case."

Yes she is responsible, since she stabbed Reginald Daye.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR again promises enlightenment and again delivers nothing but confusion and obfuscation/

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR again shows the depth of his ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Duke lacrosse just beat Cornell to advance to the national championship game on Monday.Great job guys.

Anonymous said...

As Walt has so accurately pointed out, Harr's comments only serve to prove the value of a true education in the law.

Anonymous said...

Nichols is correct. She stabbed him. He died.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Nichols is correct. She stabbed him. He died.


That's true... however, he just left out a few minor details that took place between the time she stabbed him and he died. The following for instance:
1) Daye underwent successful surgery with a prognosis for a full recovery;
2) Daye's impending downward spiral into delirium tremens forced his transfer to the ICU;
3) Daye was intubated in the esophagus, which resulted in his brain death and cardiac arrest;
4) Daye was re-intubated, this time in the trachea, which enabled his heart to be resuscitated; and
5) Daye remained brain dead and in a coma for a week before life support was electively removed.

In other words the proximate cause of Daye's brain death was the esophageal intubation and the proximate cause of Daye's actual death was his removal from life support.

Let me know if further elucidation is required.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
The proximate cause of Daye’s brain death was clearly the errantly placed endotracheal tube that was introduced into his esophagus instead of trachea. Its wrong placement was the direct cause of lack of oxygen to the brain cells and cells throughout his body… and it was the lack of oxygen to the brain cells that resulted in his brain death. Consequently, the mis-positioned tube was also the direct cause of Daye’s cardiac arrest."

You ave not established that the ET tube had been placed in the esophagus.


Of course the endotracheal tube was placed in the esophagus! How else do you explain Daye going into cardiac arrest? From the stab wound?

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY! LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT.

Have a wonderful Memorial Day holiday. The library will be closed tomorrow, so I will not be online again until Tuesday. In the meantime, I will be working on the next flog.

As you were.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
That's true... however, he just left out a few minor details that took place between the time she stabbed him and he died. The following for instance:
1) Daye underwent successful surgery with a prognosis for a full recovery;
2) Daye's impending downward spiral into delirium tremens forced his transfer to the ICU;
3) Daye was intubated in the esophagus, which resulted in his brain death and cardiac arrest;
4) Daye was re-intubated, this time in the trachea, which enabled his heart to be resuscitated; and
5) Daye remained brain dead and in a coma for a week before life support was electively removed.

In other words the proximate cause of Daye's brain death was the esophageal intubation and the proximate cause of Daye's actual death was his removal from life support."

In other, mor appropriate words, boy are you divorced from reality.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Of course the endotracheal tube was placed in the esophagus! How else do you explain Daye going into cardiac arrest? From the stab wound?"

The endotracheal tube was not placed in the esophagus. Reginald Daye died of complications of the medical treatment necessitated by the stab wound inflicted by Crystal. Any competent physician can recognize that.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The library will be closed tomorrow, so I will not be online again until Tuesday. In the meantime, I will be working on the next flog."

SIDNEY will have to wait before spewing out his next dose of delusional venom.

Anonymous said...

Be sure you send Holmes your analysis. I am certain he will want to use it when mangum goes to trial. And he will want to call you as an expert witness. You need to be prepared to testify.

Anonymous said...

No misplacement of the tube is documented. No evidence of DTs is documented. DTs were suspected as a rule out, which you have been told, over and over. ALONG WITH INFECTION, WHICH WAS FAR MORE LIKELY THE CAUSE OF DAYE'S DECLINE. Please try your best, and read the notes again....which you illegally and immorally posted on this web site. There is no documengtation that Daye was an alcoholic. None. There IS evidence of intoxication. There IS evidence that both he and Mangum were drinking. Please try to grasp the concept that evidence is required to backup opinions IN COURT. You can rant all you wish on this ridiculous web site without the necessity of backing up your claims with FACTS.

Anonymous said...

Sidney, you did not analyze State v. Welch. You restated , rehashed, and recycled your same old tired bullshit.......which is just as incorrect today as it was the first time you shoveled it. You are not an attorney. You are not capable of analytical thinking and you certainly have no credentials to back up the wild nonsense that you spout .

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:


"State v. Welch is not applicable to the Crystal Mangum case"

Yes it is.

Another lie for which you get credit.

Anonymous said...

There is not one word of documentation or evidence of mal practice anywhere in the care and case record for Mr. Daye. In fact, there are at least three doctors who have reviewed the records and found no evidence......Nichols, Roberts and the surgeon who posts here occasionally. Sidney Harr is the ONLY physician who, with absolutely no expertise, no credentials, no experience in relevant specialties, makes a wild claim that Duke did something wrong in the care of Mr. Daye. Sidney, you can whine till it freezes over...........Nichols was and is correct

Anonymous said...

Dr Harr, Please state your credentials and experience that qualifies you to make the medical and legal claims you are making on this web site. I don't see any record of where you do that, other than to claim you are a physician who retired/quit practicing a long time ago. I can't find any record of board certification or experience in the specialties of medicine that would qualify you to make the claims you are making.

Anonymous said...

Sidney, you completely miss the point in State V Welch.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
That's true... however, he just left out a few minor details that took place between the time she stabbed him and he died. The following for instance:
1) Daye underwent successful surgery with a prognosis for a full recovery;
2) Daye's impending downward spiral into delirium tremens forced his transfer to the ICU;
3) Daye was intubated in the esophagus, which resulted in his brain death and cardiac arrest;
4) Daye was re-intubated, this time in the trachea, which enabled his heart to be resuscitated; and
5) Daye remained brain dead and in a coma for a week before life support was electively removed.

In other words the proximate cause of Daye's brain death was the esophageal intubation and the proximate cause of Daye's actual death was his removal from life support."

In other, mor appropriate words, boy are you divorced from reality.


Au contraire, mon ami. I am as one with reality.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Of course the endotracheal tube was placed in the esophagus! How else do you explain Daye going into cardiac arrest? From the stab wound?"

The endotracheal tube was not placed in the esophagus. Reginald Daye died of complications of the medical treatment necessitated by the stab wound inflicted by Crystal. Any competent physician can recognize that.


See, you can't be specific. Whereas I specifically explained the cause of Daye lapsing into a cardiac arrest... which was the esophageal intubation.

Treating the stab wound and treating alcohol withdrawal are two different things. It was problems with the impending delirium tremens that led to Daye's need for an intubation... and the esophageal intubation was the proximate cause of Daye's brain death.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Be sure you send Holmes your analysis. I am certain he will want to use it when mangum goes to trial. And he will want to call you as an expert witness. You need to be prepared to testify.


First of all, this case is not going to trial, if I can help it, because it is totally baseless.
Secondly, I don't think Scott Holmes wants to challenge the autopsy report and bring up Duke University Hopsital's responsibility for Daye's death. He wants to stick solely with the self-defense issue.

To my understanding Mr. Holmes has not pursued trying to get a written report from Dr. Roberts, and he hasn't contacted me.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sidney, you did not analyze State v. Welch. You restated , rehashed, and recycled your same old tired bullshit.......which is just as incorrect today as it was the first time you shoveled it. You are not an attorney. You are not capable of analytical thinking and you certainly have no credentials to back up the wild nonsense that you spout .


Harrism -
"One can place enlightenment before one's eyes, and introduce it into one's ear canals... but enlightenment cannot be massaged into one's cerebral gray matter."

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Dr Harr, Please state your credentials and experience that qualifies you to make the medical and legal claims you are making on this web site. I don't see any record of where you do that, other than to claim you are a physician who retired/quit practicing a long time ago. I can't find any record of board certification or experience in the specialties of medicine that would qualify you to make the claims you are making.


In this age of the internet all of the information about me is as far away as your keyboard. Look it up yourself!

When I was growing up, I would ask my parents what a word meant and they would tell me to look it up in the dictionary. I am grateful for that, as it made me a better person. You would feel better about yourself if you succeeded in the investigation yourself instead of having it spoon-fed to you by me. Comprende?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Au contraire, mon ami. I am as one with reality."

No you aren't.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"See, you can't be specific."

Yes I can. What can be more specific than the et tube was not in the esophagus.

"Whereas I specifically explained the cause of Daye lapsing into a cardiac arrest... which was the esophageal intubation."

Hardly. You have not established it as a fact, specifically or otherwise that the ET tube was in the esophagus.

"Treating the stab wound and treating alcohol withdrawal are two different things. It was problems with the impending delirium tremens that led to Daye's need for an intubation"

Like it or not there was no evidence of DTs. You fail to recognize that the stress of a stab wound, surgery, complications of surgery can precipitate disorientation in a hospital scenario. I know because I have had to deal with it.

"... and the esophageal intubation was the proximate cause of Daye's brain death."

There was no esophageal intubation. The need for intubation was created by the complications of the stab wound inflicted by Crystal.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I guess sidney harr would tell the prosecutor to go look up his credentials if harr were on the witness stand and asked to establish his expertise. harr's response to the poster's request for his credentials is typical, is it not. Avoidance, sidestep and non-answer. In other words, he has no expertise, no credentials, no experience and no documentation to support his claims. Fail, sidney. Nice try, but....fail.
we all know about your so-called medical education, your lack of residency/fellowship, you lack of board certification, your single publication, your apparent run-ins with former patients/others who have sued you, and your current/recent history of failed attempts to go after Duke and the NC Bar. If it weren't so pathetic and transparent, it would be comical.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"First of all, this case is not going to trial, if I can help it, because it is totally baseless."

You have already demonstrated you are incapable of understanding the it to which you refer, let alone help it."

Secondly, I don't think Scott Holmes wants to challenge the autopsy report and bring up Duke University Hopsital's responsibility for Daye's death."

That is because Scot Holmes knows he can not challenge the autopsy report or that Duke University was not responsible for Mr. Daye's death.

"He wants to stick solely with the self-defense issue."

That may be Crystal's best chance. As Walt the Durham attorney has pointed out to you, he will have to bring it up at trial and in doing so, Crystal will have to take responsibility for Mr. Daye's death.

"To my understanding Mr. Holmes has not pursued trying to get a written report from Dr. Roberts,"

First you propose a fallacy, that you are capable of understanding. Second, Mr. Holmes does not want a written report because he is aware that Dr. Roberts, review of the autopsy found it was not fraudulent.

"and he hasn't contacted me."

And that is about the best thing he has done for Crystal so far.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Harrism -'One can place enlightenment before one's eyes, and introduce it into one's ear canals... but enlightenment cannot be massaged into one's cerebral gray matter.'"

Irrelevant because you have never provided enlightenment to any one. You have tried to conceal evidence that Reginald Daye was not an habitual violent abuser of women. That is called obfuscation.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"In this age of the internet all of the information about me is as far away as your keyboard. Look it up yourself!"

I have. You completed an internship. You never completed residency training in any specialty. You retired from Medicine after 17 years, an awfully short time. You admit you were sued on a number of occasions and were once charged with a crime.

"When I was growing up, I would ask my parents what a word meant and they would tell me to look it up in the dictionary. I am grateful for that, as it made me a better person. You would feel better about yourself if you succeeded in the investigation yourself instead of having it spoon-fed to you by me. Comprende?"

What is it you do not want to spoon feed? Why you never did a residency? Why you were never board certified in anything? Why were you sued? With what crime were you charged? How did the issue that led to the criminal charge end up in civil court? How was it settled?

Anonymous said...

I am no lawyer, so my comments about the State v welch case do not even remotely pretend to be scholarly. Here's what I think, just as a lay person. The State v. welch case shows, I think, the "but for" relationship between the stabbing and the death. But for the stabbing, the victim would not have bled extensively, MAYBE needed a transfusion, etc. The doctor was not able to say that the patient would have lived or died, no matter what. The point is that, but for the stabbing, all the rest of the calamity that eventually resulted in the victim's death would not have happened. The stabbing started a chain of events, period, and the end of the chain was the patient's death. The defendant tried to say that her refusal of a transfusion was what killed her and the court said no to this claim. Seems pretty clear to me. Mangum can claim, all she wants, that duke murdered Daye. Harr can claim the same thing. Harr is not the judge nor the jury. If Holmes is trying to focus on the self defense notion, then good for him. by the way, sidney is trying to create a false notion of brain death versus actual death. There is no such distinction.......any competent neurosurgeon would say this is rubbish.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"In this age of the internet all of the information about me is as far away as your keyboard. Look it up yourself!"

I have. You completed an internship. You never completed residency training in any specialty. You retired from Medicine after 17 years, an awfully short time. You admit you were sued on a number of occasions and were once charged with a crime.

"When I was growing up, I would ask my parents what a word meant and they would tell me to look it up in the dictionary. I am grateful for that, as it made me a better person. You would feel better about yourself if you succeeded in the investigation yourself instead of having it spoon-fed to you by me. Comprende?"

What is it you do not want to spoon feed? Why you never did a residency? Why you were never board certified in anything? Why were you sued? With what crime were you charged? How did the issue that led to the criminal charge end up in civil court? How was it settled?


Congrats. Looks like you did a pretty good job of investigating... however, I never admitted to being sued for medical malpractice because I was not. If I had been, surely you would have been able to dig it up online.

Also, I never said I was charged with a crime. I was placed in handcuffs on a trumped up charge which was dropped. The police even refused to give me a copy of the arrest warrant. If you can find a copy of it, I would appreciate it if you could send me a link.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Wow, I guess sidney harr would tell the prosecutor to go look up his credentials if harr were on the witness stand and asked to establish his expertise. harr's response to the poster's request for his credentials is typical, is it not. Avoidance, sidestep and non-answer. In other words, he has no expertise, no credentials, no experience and no documentation to support his claims. Fail, sidney. Nice try, but....fail.
we all know about your so-called medical education, your lack of residency/fellowship, you lack of board certification, your single publication, your apparent run-ins with former patients/others who have sued you, and your current/recent history of failed attempts to go after Duke and the NC Bar. If it weren't so pathetic and transparent, it would be comical.


The point of the issue is not my professional credentials... the point is the truth of my statements. The bottom line is that I am correct... that Daye was intubated in the esophagus and that the autopsy report is fraudulent. It is irrelevant what credentials a physician has if his statements are incorrect. Dr. Nichols' autopsy report of April 14, 2011 is false and fraudulent. Period.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
I am no lawyer, so my comments about the State v welch case do not even remotely pretend to be scholarly. Here's what I think, just as a lay person. The State v. welch case shows, I think, the "but for" relationship between the stabbing and the death. But for the stabbing, the victim would not have bled extensively, MAYBE needed a transfusion, etc. The doctor was not able to say that the patient would have lived or died, no matter what. The point is that, but for the stabbing, all the rest of the calamity that eventually resulted in the victim's death would not have happened. The stabbing started a chain of events, period, and the end of the chain was the patient's death. The defendant tried to say that her refusal of a transfusion was what killed her and the court said no to this claim. Seems pretty clear to me. Mangum can claim, all she wants, that duke murdered Daye. Harr can claim the same thing. Harr is not the judge nor the jury. If Holmes is trying to focus on the self defense notion, then good for him. by the way, sidney is trying to create a false notion of brain death versus actual death. There is no such distinction.......any competent neurosurgeon would say this is rubbish.


As I said, State v. Welch is limited in its interpretation. The stab wounds definitely were related to the blood loss and need for a transfusion. There is a direct and proximate relationship between the two.

In Mangum's case, the stab wound was not related to Daye's death because it was itself not responsible for the esophageal intubation that led to Daye's brain death. The stab wound was successfully treated at surgery and had a prognosis for a full recovery. Keep in mind that Daye did not die due to sepsis from the stab wound. To my knowledge it was never established that he even had an infection secondary to a stab wound.

Regarding brain death and actual death, there is a difference. Joshua Wrenn was considered to be brain dead, but at the advice of his family's attorney, they kept him on life support. Unexpectedly and miraculously he regained consciousness. He is alive today. So, yes there is a difference. If Daye had not been removed electively from life support he might still be alive today... and there is even the possibility that he may have even regained consciousness. We'll never know.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Congrats. Looks like you did a pretty good job of investigating... however, I never admitted to being sued for medical malpractice because I was not. If I had been, surely you would have been able to dig it up online."

So why were you sued?

"Also, I never said I was charged with a crime. I was placed in handcuffs on a trumped up charge which was dropped."

You are not an expert on trumped up charges. You show yourself incapable of recognizing that corrupt DA NIFONG trumped up rape charges against the Duke Lacrosse players.

"The police even refused to give me a copy of the arrest warrant. If you can find a copy of it, I would appreciate it if you could send me a link."

Why would there be an arrest warrant if you were not suspected of a crime?

And why did you never do a Residency. The most likely reason is you were turned down.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The point of the issue is not my professional credentials... the point is the truth of my statements. The bottom line is that I am correct... that Daye was intubated in the esophagus and that the autopsy report is fraudulent. It is irrelevant what credentials a physician has if his statements are incorrect. Dr. Nichols' autopsy report of April 14, 2011 is false and fraudulent. Period."

The bottom line is you are totally divorced from reality.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"In Mangum's case, the stab wound was not related to Daye's death because it was itself not responsible for the esophageal intubation that led to Daye's brain death."

The intubation was necessitated by complications of the stab wound inflicted by Crystal. You have never established as fact that the tube was placed in the esophagus.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"So, yes there is a difference. If Daye had not been removed electively from life support he might still be alive today... and there is even the possibility that he may have even regained consciousness. We'll never know."

If Crystal had not stabbed Mr. Daye, he would not have had the complications which led to his death.

Walt said...

Sid continues true to form. "State v. Welch is not applicable to the Crystal Mangum case." He ignores the law that applies to the case when it is inconvenient. Remember how he fouled up his own discrimination case by not filing against the one person employed by Duke University who could have brought him under the rule? Remember how he excused Nifong for disregarding the rules of discovery, rules of professional conduct, lying to the court and adverse counsel, and prosecuting a case for which he had no probable cause? Remember when he ignored the law prohibiting the unlicensed practice of law and then assured us he was not only going to beat the bar, but he was going to get admitted to represent Crystal? Well, he's done the same thing again. Sorry Sid, St. v. Welch does apply.

Anonymous at 5:04 wrote: "Sidney, you did not analyze State v. Welch. You restated , rehashed, and recycled your same old tired bullshit.......which is just as incorrect today as it was the first time you shoveled it."

Ding-Ding-Ding, we have a winner ladies and gentlemen.

Anonymous at 11:31 AM wrote: "The State v. welch case shows, I think, the "but for" relationship between the stabbing and the death."

Ding-Ding-Ding, we have another winner ladies and gentlemen. Further, that is an excellent synopsis of the holding of St. v. Welch. If you were a law student, you would get full credit for the day's class participation. Well put.

Walt-in-Durham

Break the Conspiracy said...

Sidney,

Thank you for your analysis of State v. Welch. Your failure to acknowledge this case previously, after almost two years of discussion by the readers on this blog, played into the hands of the naysayers, who accuse you of ignoring unfavorable information.

You claim to concur with the decision, yet you fail to discuss the critical conclusion in this case (emphasis added):

A defendant will be held criminally responsible for second-degree murder if his act caused or directly contributed to the victim's death. State v. Jordan. To escape responsibility based on an intervening cause, the defendant must show that the intervening act was “the sole cause of death.” Holsclaw.

The conclusion in Hoslclaw sets a high burden on a defendant claiming an intervening cause:

Hoslclaw explicitly rejects your earlier argument that Mangum could not be responsible for Daye’s death because she was not consulted in the decision to remove him from life support after his brain death.

The statute on brain death… [is] not for the protection of criminal assailants. … would protect the physician from civil or criminal liability…

Fortunately, you no longer rely on this moronic argument. Thank you.

Jones and Hoslclaw also explicitly reject medical malpractice as an intervening cause.

You rely on an allegation of malpractice to conclude that Mangum is not responsible for Daye’s death. Even if we assume this allegation is true, you fail to deal with the conclusions in Holsclaw: Even if the doctor was negligent, the defendant will not escape liability.

Jones repeats this conclusion: If… the victim’s death immediately resulted from improper or unskilled treatment by attending physicians, that is no defense to a charge of homicide against one who has inflicted a dangerous wound which necessitated the treatment.

One must consider why a patient required medical attention in the first place.

You conclude that Mangum can bear no responsibility for Daye’s death because the initial prognosis was for a complete recovery. While a positive prognosis is a good fact for Mangum’s defense, it is not determinative. A prognosis for recovery is not a guarantee. Complications can set in.

In Daye’s death, there are two explanations for the need to intubate: (1) complications from the stab wound inflicted by Mangum and (2) the delirium tremens you allege. In order for Mangum to escape responsibility, she must demonstrate the DTs were a condition to which the stabbing did not contribute.

I suggest that you focus on this narrow issue. You stated your conclusion, but provided little support. Your next flog should address it specifically.

First, you should identify the specific evidence in the medical file that supports your diagnosis of DTs. Second, you should provide evidence to support your conclusion that the stab wound did not contribute to this condition through infection, trauma or any other means. You may wish to cite criminal cases that directly support your conclusion.

Anonymous said...

Vann engaged Roberts to review the medical "file" on Daye. Per Sidney in one of his prior posts, Roberts found nothing wrong with the care Daye received. Vann did not want Roberts to prepare a written report because it would have been detrimental to any claim Mangum may have had that Duke caused Daye's death. Harr, who initially touted Roberts' experience and professionalism, did a complete 180 when he learned that Roberts did NOT find any evidence that Duke killed Daye. Harr claims that Roberts flopped for the state and didn't do a written report because the state wanted her to shut up. So long as you subscribe to Harr's conspiracy theories.......then everyone who does not agree with him is a criminal, thug, and fraud.....out to get Mangum. It's really quite simple.
Under ordinary (ethical and proper) circumstances, the medical documentation of Daye's care would not be on display in public view. I assume Harr has escaped action by the Feds (for HIPPA violations) because the law seems to apply to providers and institutions (like hospitals). Given that he is not a provider, he has squirmed through a loophole. He may not be subject to HIPPA, but he sure as hell is an unethical and, in my opinion, immoral person .....for posting Daye's confidential records.
This whole business of Duke's involvement in Daye' s death is completely irrelevant. The question is whether Mangum is going to wind up with a lesser charge.........or get by with self defense.

Anonymous said...

There is no evidence that Daye was an alcoholic. His liver was normal, showing no evidence of alcohol abuse. Yes, it is clear he had been drinking, as had Mangum. I asked a physician friend about the lab findings for Daye that showed such high levels. His comment was that the lab values would likely be off the charts simply because Daye had experienced a stab wound/trauma with bleeding. He also told me that the agitated behavior and fever that were noted would likely indicate the onset of an infection (which was suggested as a ruleout), and would be far more likely the contributory factor to the vomiting, etc. In other words, his take was that Daye might have been getting better, to some extent, but that an infection turned him south. He also told me that he saw no evidence of misplacement of the tube. I am not a doctor, so I am just passing along the informal comments from another person. Without actually seeing the patient, being present, observing behavior, vital signs, etc........would be impossible, according to him, to make any sort of statement like Harr has been making. The drug Harr references was started on Daye when he was first admitted to the hospital, and, it is important to note....has various uses....it is NOT considered a drug that is used solely for, and is always used for, DTs.
It seems far more likely that the real issue here is whether Mangum is going to wind up with a plea deal that Holmes feels is reasonable and that she accepts........or.....whether she goes to trial, and winds up with manslaughter. self defense? Dunno.....sure doesn't sound like it.

Anonymous said...

As I recall there were at least two women who had prior relationships with Daye. Both said he was NOT abusive to them. There was also a third women who said she had a female voice in the apartment saying, "I"M going to fxxx you up". That phrase does not sound, to me, like something a person would say, in self defense mode, while getting some kind of major beating. There is just no evidence, at all, that Daye was administering a huge beating to Mangum. As far as we know, there are no photographs that show Mangum bruised, beaten, with head or facial trauma, bruises on her neck, etc. I did see a photo that showed her with a tiny (less than an 18th of an inch) divot in her cheek that could be caused by her own fingernails, or whatever. All in all, it sounds like an alcohol fueled push and shove match, an argument that got heated and Mangum resorting to her apparent weapon of choice....a knife. Recall that she threatened Walker with stabbing in the presence of an officer. Daye admitted to pushing her, true, and that fact, alone, might be enough to get her manslaughter. Just speculating.....but the truth here is that there is no evidence that Daye was an alcoholic and no evidence to support any story of Mangum being the victim of a violent hour-long beating and choking.

Anonymous said...

Why didn't Mangum scream bloody murder, self defense, he was trying to kill me or I defended myself....FROM THE BEGINNING? she didn't. In fact, she didn't claim self defense until AFTER Daye was dead.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous May 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM:

This is something I remember. Severe loss of blood can cause confusio and irrational behavior. I recall a patient who had periods of irrational behavior. She was post operative. When I checked her chart, she was anemic and was having episodes of shock level hypotension(systolic bp in the 80's) I transfused her and all the confusion and irratoinality ceased.

Dr. Anonymous

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Was your Medical career so short because you were decredentialled and could not find a job? Should you try to testify on behalf of Crystal, that is the kind of question you would be asked on cross examination.

Nifong Supporter said...


Jones repeats this conclusion: If… the victim’s death immediately resulted from improper or unskilled treatment by attending physicians, that is no defense to a charge of homicide against one who has inflicted a dangerous wound which necessitated the treatment.


Hey, Break.

I was responding solely to the State v. Welch case and not any other legal decision such as Jones. State v. Welch never mentioned anything about malpractice.

With regards to the injury inflicted, the stab wound did not necessitate the elective intubation when Daye went into delirium tremens on the third post-operative day. The esophageal intubation was the proximate cause of Daye's brain death, for had the intubation been in the tracheal tube, Daye would not have become brain dead. An esophageal intubation that is not recognized and corrected in a reasonable time will lead to brain death in any individual. The medical examiner did not link the stab wound to the intubation. Mangum can't be held liable for malpractice on such a grand scale. The esophageal intubation was the sole and intervening cause of Daye's brain death. I don't think anyone can get around that.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Why didn't Mangum scream bloody murder, self defense, he was trying to kill me or I defended myself....FROM THE BEGINNING? she didn't. In fact, she didn't claim self defense until AFTER Daye was dead.


The police refused to entertain anything Mangum said as they arrested her on sight, and then read her her Miranda Rights, told her that anything she said would be used against her, then asked her if she wished to answer some questions. When Mangum replied no, the so-called interview was terminated. To summarize, the prosecution and police never got a statement from Mangum. There was no investigatory stage during which an attempt was made to find out from Mangum her side of the story. She was arrested first; the investigation being decidely one-sided.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
As I recall there were at least two women who had prior relationships with Daye. Both said he was NOT abusive to them. There was also a third women who said she had a female voice in the apartment saying, "I"M going to fxxx you up". That phrase does not sound, to me, like something a person would say, in self defense mode, while getting some kind of major beating. There is just no evidence, at all, that Daye was administering a huge beating to Mangum. As far as we know, there are no photographs that show Mangum bruised, beaten, with head or facial trauma, bruises on her neck, etc. I did see a photo that showed her with a tiny (less than an 18th of an inch) divot in her cheek that could be caused by her own fingernails, or whatever. All in all, it sounds like an alcohol fueled push and shove match, an argument that got heated and Mangum resorting to her apparent weapon of choice....a knife. Recall that she threatened Walker with stabbing in the presence of an officer. Daye admitted to pushing her, true, and that fact, alone, might be enough to get her manslaughter. Just speculating.....but the truth here is that there is no evidence that Daye was an alcoholic and no evidence to support any story of Mangum being the victim of a violent hour-long beating and choking.


How do you explain the locked bathroom door being knocked off its frame? Does that give you a clue as to the really agressive party?

As far as a trial goes, forgettaboutit. It ain't gonna happen. The prosecution doesn't have a case and will try to pressure Mangum into accepting a plea deal... probably for time served. They're desperate, and of course, Mangum should never accept anything short of the unconditional dismissal of all criminal charges against her.

Anonymous said...

Harr continues to be wrong......arrogantly and flagrantly so........but, honestly, who gives a damn what this wingnut thinks?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Vann engaged Roberts to review the medical "file" on Daye. Per Sidney in one of his prior posts, Roberts found nothing wrong with the care Daye received. Vann did not want Roberts to prepare a written report because it would have been detrimental to any claim Mangum may have had that Duke caused Daye's death. Harr, who initially touted Roberts' experience and professionalism, did a complete 180 when he learned that Roberts did NOT find any evidence that Duke killed Daye. Harr claims that Roberts flopped for the state and didn't do a written report because the state wanted her to shut up. So long as you subscribe to Harr's conspiracy theories.......then everyone who does not agree with him is a criminal, thug, and fraud.....out to get Mangum. It's really quite simple.
Under ordinary (ethical and proper) circumstances, the medical documentation of Daye's care would not be on display in public view. I assume Harr has escaped action by the Feds (for HIPPA violations) because the law seems to apply to providers and institutions (like hospitals). Given that he is not a provider, he has squirmed through a loophole. He may not be subject to HIPPA, but he sure as hell is an unethical and, in my opinion, immoral person .....for posting Daye's confidential records.
This whole business of Duke's involvement in Daye' s death is completely irrelevant. The question is whether Mangum is going to wind up with a lesser charge.........or get by with self defense.


I have nothing against Dr. Roberts. I understand why she and Woody Vann don't want to put anything in writing. It is to protect the Medical Examiner Nichols and Duke University Hospital. It's really that simple.

Believe me, Mangum is not the top priority of the defense attorneys... the Medical examiner and Duke University are.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Anonymous May 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM:

This is something I remember. Severe loss of blood can cause confusio and irrational behavior. I recall a patient who had periods of irrational behavior. She was post operative. When I checked her chart, she was anemic and was having episodes of shock level hypotension(systolic bp in the 80's) I transfused her and all the confusion and irratoinality ceased.

Dr. Anonymous


I think that anemia can be ruled out as a reason for Daye's agitation. Impending delirium tremens is more likely the impetus for it. Keep in mind that Daye, unlike the victim in State v. Welch, was hemodynamically stable. I have no doubt that he would have survived had the intubation been correctly positioned in the trachea on the third post-operative day.

Anonymous said...

Harr just proves the poster's point........he has nothing against Roberts....she's just a crooked, corrupt fraud who flipped for the state.....but, otherwise, harr has nothing against her. this guy is hilarious.
Daye was not stable. Read the notes you illegally posted. He was in trouble....deteriorating, mostl likely from a possible infection setting in. The tube was not misplaced. You have been corrected on this point repeatedly. harr, yet you continue to lie.

Anonymous said...

Let's review, sidney. The state has not, as far as anybody knows, offered a plea deal. You can pretend all you want. No offer is on the table. IF a plea is offered, Mangum has the option to take it or reject it. She cannot be forced to accept a plea deal. If she thinks she has a strong case, then she will reject the plea deal and take her chances in court. NOBODY can force her to accept a plea deal.....IF one is offered. Holmes may be advising her to accept a plea and he may be actively trying to negotiate a plea deal on her behalf.........IF he is doing this, it is because he thinks she has a weak defense and could wind up in prison for a very long time. BUT, I repeat, Mangum can reject any deals. So, you cannot say, at any point, that she was made to take a plea deal. It's up to her entirely. Dont' even think you can come back sometime in the future and whine that she was forced into a plea. That's a lie....... As of right now, the case is scheduled for trial in July.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I was responding solely to the State v. Welch case and not any other legal decision such as Jones. State v. Welch never mentioned anything about malpractice."

There was no malpractice involved in the treatment of Reginald Daye.

With regards to the injury inflicted, the stab wound did not necessitate the elective intubation when Daye went into delirium tremens on the third post-operative day."

There was no evidence of delerium tremens.

"The esophageal intubation was the proximate cause of Daye's brain death, for had the intubation been in the tracheal tube, Daye would not have become brain dead. An esophageal intubation that is not recognized and corrected in a reasonable time will lead to brain death in any individual. The medical examiner did not link the stab wound to the intubation. Mangum can't be held liable for malpractice on such a grand scale. The esophageal intubation was the sole and intervening cause of Daye's brain death. I don't think anyone can get around that."

There was no evidence of esophageal intubation.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The police refused to entertain anything Mangum said as they arrested her on sight, and then read her her Miranda Rights, told her that anything she said would be used against her, then asked her if she wished to answer some questions. When Mangum replied no, the so-called interview was terminated. To summarize, the prosecution and police never got a statement from Mangum. There was no investigatory stage during which an attempt was made to find out from Mangum her side of the story. She was arrested first; the investigation being decidely one-sided."

SIDNEY seems unaware that if rystal refused to give a statement then the police were obligated not to try to get one without a lawyer present. In any event, nothing prevented Crystal from saying, I was attacked. She did not allege self defense until after she was charged with murder 1.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
How do you explain the locked bathroom door being knocked off its frame? Does that give you a clue as to the really agressive party?"

How do you explain that none of the medical records or police records or the photographs show any evidence Crystal was beaten.

"As far as a trial goes, forgettaboutit. It ain't gonna happen. The prosecution doesn't have a case and will try to pressure Mangum into accepting a plea deal... probably for time served. They're desperate, and of course, Mangum should never accept anything short of the unconditional dismissal of all criminal charges against her."

So says the man who predicted that he would prevail against Duke, that he would humiliate the State Bar, and who claims Duke settled with the innocent Lacrosse players because one of their attorneys assured them Duke's insurance carrier would pay the settlement.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I have nothing against Dr. Roberts."

Yes you do, because she did not cave in to your attempts to get her to file a fraudulent report.

"I understand why she and Woody Vann don't want to put anything in writing."

Hardly. You are incapable of understanding anything.

"It is to protect the Medical Examiner Nichols and Duke University Hospital. It's really that simple."

Neither Duke nor Dr. Nichols need protection from anything.

"Believe me, Mangum is not the top priority of the defense attorneys... the Medical examiner and Duke University are."

Believe you, the purveyor of such grossly obvious distortions and falsehoods.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
I think"

You are incapable of thinking.

"that anemia can be ruled out as a reason for Daye's agitation."

Not anemia but hypovolemia which may not be apparent that soon after surgery, a specialty of which you know nothing.

"Impending delirium tremens is more likely the impetus for it."

No its not.

"Keep in mind that Daye, unlike the victim in State v. Welch, was hemodynamically stable."

He might not have been. Who knows how much blood loss he sustained? You certainly do not.


"I have no doubt that he would have survived had the intubation been correctly positioned in the trachea on the third post-operative day."

Irrelevant, since there is plenty of doubt that you have the competence to render such any opinion, let alone an opinion about a non occurring esophageal intubation.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Did you retire from medicine so early because you were decredentialled and unable to find a job in medicine?

Break the Conspiracy said...

Sidney: I was responding to the State v. Welch case and not any other legal decision such as Jones.

I think you are doing exactly the right thing to provide the best possible advice to Crystal.

Stick your head so far up your ass that you are completely oblivious to the requirements of the law.

Holsclaw and Jones were cases cited in Welch. A normal person would have been curious to understand the opinions. Welch built off of those earlier decisions. They both addressed malpractice and concluded that a defendant was not absolved of responsibility because medical personnel made horrendous errors.

Your analysis is flawed because you are too lazy to undertake any research.

I asked for evidence that (1) Daye was suffering from the DTs and (2) the condition was not aggravated by the stab wound. EVIDENCE.

If you fail to provide evidence, I will be forced to conclude that you either don't really care about Mangum or you are too stupid to know how to help her.

One hint. Take your head out of your ass.

Walt said...

Once again Sid wants to toss the constitution out the window because it doesn't help his argument: "The police refused to entertain anything Mangum said as they arrested her on sight, and then read her her Miranda Rights, told her that anything she said would be used against her, then asked her if she wished to answer some questions."

Proving once again that Sid really is all for injustice.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

Sidney, I suggest you go to Google and read about Miranda. It's kinda basic, Sidney.....as in, most of us who have indeed finished the fifth grade know about Miranda and its applications for law enforcement. I am certain that if the police failed to read Mangum her rights, you would be screaming your ignorant head off about violations because the police are in cahoots with Rae Evans.
There is no evidence that Daye was suffering from DTs and you know it. It's far more likely, as has been noted, that his agitation and decline were related to an infection process. His liver was normal, Sidney. There are statements from women with whom he had relationships that he was not a drunk nor was he violent. You can continue to repeat your lies as you wish......we all see you for what you are.

Nifong Supporter said...


Walt said...
Once again Sid wants to toss the constitution out the window because it doesn't help his argument: "The police refused to entertain anything Mangum said as they arrested her on sight, and then read her her Miranda Rights, told her that anything she said would be used against her, then asked her if she wished to answer some questions."

Proving once again that Sid really is all for injustice.

Walt-in-Durham


Walt, you're going to be crying like a baby when the prosecution drops the charges against Mangum. I suggest you get some grief counseling lined up ahead of time because you're going to need it.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
How do you explain the locked bathroom door being knocked off its frame? Does that give you a clue as to the really agressive party?"

How do you explain that none of the medical records or police records or the photographs show any evidence Crystal was beaten.

"As far as a trial goes, forgettaboutit. It ain't gonna happen. The prosecution doesn't have a case and will try to pressure Mangum into accepting a plea deal... probably for time served. They're desperate, and of course, Mangum should never accept anything short of the unconditional dismissal of all criminal charges against her."

So says the man who predicted that he would prevail against Duke, that he would humiliate the State Bar, and who claims Duke settled with the innocent Lacrosse players because one of their attorneys assured them Duke's insurance carrier would pay the settlement.


When you answer a question with a question then that confirms that you have no logical answer to the question.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:(to Walt)

"Walt, you're going to be crying like a baby when the prosecution drops the charges against Mangum. I suggest you get some grief counseling lined up ahead of time because you're going to need it."

Don't count on it.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Let's review, sidney. The state has not, as far as anybody knows, offered a plea deal. You can pretend all you want. No offer is on the table. IF a plea is offered, Mangum has the option to take it or reject it. She cannot be forced to accept a plea deal. If she thinks she has a strong case, then she will reject the plea deal and take her chances in court. NOBODY can force her to accept a plea deal.....IF one is offered. Holmes may be advising her to accept a plea and he may be actively trying to negotiate a plea deal on her behalf.........IF he is doing this, it is because he thinks she has a weak defense and could wind up in prison for a very long time. BUT, I repeat, Mangum can reject any deals. So, you cannot say, at any point, that she was made to take a plea deal. It's up to her entirely. Dont' even think you can come back sometime in the future and whine that she was forced into a plea. That's a lie....... As of right now, the case is scheduled for trial in July.


Don't count on a trial taking place in July, August, September... or any time. The case doesn't have a case. It knows it, and will try to save face by trying to force Mangum into accepting a plea deal. To go to trial would only be to the detriment of the medical examiner Dr. Nichols and Duke University Hospital... although the defense will probably try and focus solely on the "self-defense" track.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HAER:

"When you answer a question with a question then that confirms that you have no logical answer to the question."

Your questions are based on allegations you have never corroborated as facts. That there is no logical answer is a result of there you have given us no logical questions to answer.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
I think"

You are incapable of thinking.

"that anemia can be ruled out as a reason for Daye's agitation."

Not anemia but hypovolemia which may not be apparent that soon after surgery, a specialty of which you know nothing.

"Impending delirium tremens is more likely the impetus for it."

No its not.

"Keep in mind that Daye, unlike the victim in State v. Welch, was hemodynamically stable."

He might not have been. Who knows how much blood loss he sustained? You certainly do not.


"I have no doubt that he would have survived had the intubation been correctly positioned in the trachea on the third post-operative day."

Irrelevant, since there is plenty of doubt that you have the competence to render such any opinion, let alone an opinion about a non occurring esophageal intubation.


My statements were made with respect to Dr. Anonymous who stated that his patient was anemic and his mental status responded to a transfusion.

There is no reason to believe that Daye was ever significantly hypovolemic or anemic during his hospitalization at Duke.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HAER:

"When you answer a question with a question then that confirms that you have no logical answer to the question."

Your questions are based on allegations you have never corroborated as facts. That there is no logical answer is a result of there you have given us no logical questions to answer.


The logical answer is that Mangum locked herself in the bathroom to escape the brutal beating meted out by Daye. In order to continue to physically abuse her, Daye busted down the bathroom door, dragging her out by her hair, so that he could continue his assault on her.

A logical answer. Anything else is irrational, unreasonable and illogical.

Let me know if further elucidation is required.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"My statements were made with respect to Dr. Anonymous who stated that his patient was anemic and his mental status responded to a transfusion.

There is no reason to believe that Daye was ever significantly hypovolemic or anemic during his hospitalization at Duke."

My statement was that hypovolemia and hypotension were more likely causes of Mr. Daye's confusion rather than DTs.

I am not surprised you say that since you distort what other people have said.

I say, as an experienced surgeon, I consider hemodynamic stability as a possible cause. The case I cited was of a woman who had been two weeks out of the hospital.

Dr. Anonymous

PS Having not been present when Mr. Daye was treated, you would have no first hand knowledge of the amount of blood loss or his hemodynamic state.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The logical answer is that Mangum locked herself in the bathroom to escape the brutal beating meted out by Daye."

By no means a logical answer since the arrest records and medical records and photographs show no evidence Crystal was beaten.

"In order to continue to physically abuse her, Daye busted down the bathroom door, dragging her out by her hair, so that he could continue his assault on her."

You have shown no evidence Crystao was beaten. It is a lie which you, in true Josef Goebbels fashion, repeat over and over in the hope someone will believe it.

"A logical answer." NOT.

"Anything else is irrational, unreasonable and illogical."

You are capable of neither rationality nor logical thinking.

Let ME know if you require further elucidation. You do. But you have an acquired resistance to elucidation but all the elucidation in the world will not help you.

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Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

I do believe you were decredentialed and fired and were thereafter unable to get a job as a physician. I believe that is why you retired from Medicine after such a short career.

Anonymous said...

Sid, was the Birdman suspension legit?

Anonymous said...

Recent comments by Lou Dobbs and Erick Erickson might make you think Fox News isn't exactly a bastion of workplace equality, but there have been a few voices from the network speaking out in defense of female breadwinners. Dobbs and Erickson recently argued that increased households led by female earners is "catastrophic" and "hurting our children," prompting colleague Greta Van Susteren to write, "Have these men lost their minds?" Fox's Megyn Kelly also condemned their comments, holding up data that disproves their beliefs. "What makes you dominant and me submissive, and who died and made you scientist-in-chief?" Kelly asked the (slightly smug-looking) media personalities. She was called "O' Dominant One" in return. Classy, guys.

Anonymous said...

Yep Birdman (or ugly tattoo, stupid hair man) got what he deserved....finally.

Anonymous said...

counting down.......about a month till Mangum's trial. still wondering if Holmes will try to delay.....???

Anonymous said...

Is it only a coincidence that Kilgo, guiowen, kenhyderal and Malek Williams all no longer post on this blog?

guiowen said...

I'm just bored.

Anonymous said...

boy, no kidding , guiowen. .......we need sister to go out and commit some good old fashioned mayhem....liven things up a bit. .......Or perhaps sidney could run for governor...

kenhyderal said...

There are better ways for me to help Crystal

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal is troll. kenhyderal is a troll. kenhyderal is a troll.

Anonymous said...

Ah, Kenny sees his name and voila...the troll emerges from his home under the bridge....and tells us he is helping Mangum. That's nice.....
Are you telling Mangum to follow her attorney's directive and keep Harr out of her defense, or, are you advising her to request that Holmes be dumped and Harr become her lawyer-without-a-license?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"There are better ways for me to help Crystal"

All of which involve believing in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that she was raped by unknown white men at the Lacrosse party.

Anonymous said...

Wanna help Mangum, Ken?
1. Get her and keep her away from Harr, Peterson, and the other loons who want to USE her.
2. Get her some competent psychiatric help....NOT drugs....she needs therapy.
3. Tell her she MUST be accountable for all her actions, past and present, come clean with her lies, and face the consequences of her behavior.
4. Tell her to get her tubes tied.
5. Tell her to get clean...no drugs, no booze.
6. Tell her to get a JOB other than wrapping herself around a pole and sharing her favors with johns
7. Tell her to make amends to ALL the people she has hurt....including the family of Reginald Daye.
8. Tell her, if she is found guilty, to serve her time in a constructive manner and come out, on the other end of her sentence....NEVER to commit a crime again.
9. Tell her, once again, to stay the hell away from sidney harr

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

I do believe you were decredentialed and fired and were thereafter unable to get a job as a physician. I believe that is why you retired from Medicine after such a short career.


Hah! What you believe and what you know are two entirely different things. Don't you think that if I got "decredentialed," as you put it, that there would be some record of it? Let me clue you in... I did not get "decredentialed." If I would've gotten decredentialed, don't you think some of my detractors would've provided proof by now.

Wishful thinking and believing is not the same as the truth. Sorry to disappoint you.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
counting down.......about a month till Mangum's trial. still wondering if Holmes will try to delay.....???


I will give you my opinion of what I think he will do in my next post. Hopefully it will be up within a couple of days. I've been busy away from the computer the past week or so.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
boy, no kidding , guiowen. .......we need sister to go out and commit some good old fashioned mayhem....liven things up a bit. .......Or perhaps sidney could run for governor...


Mis amigos, just stay tuned. Action should pick up soon.

As far as governor, I don't plan on running, however, if McCrory is recalled and I win on a write-in campaign, then I will accept the position.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Wanna help Mangum, Ken?
1. Get her and keep her away from Harr, Peterson, and the other loons who want to USE her.
2. Get her some competent psychiatric help....NOT drugs....she needs therapy.
3. Tell her she MUST be accountable for all her actions, past and present, come clean with her lies, and face the consequences of her behavior.
4. Tell her to get her tubes tied.
5. Tell her to get clean...no drugs, no booze.
6. Tell her to get a JOB other than wrapping herself around a pole and sharing her favors with johns
7. Tell her to make amends to ALL the people she has hurt....including the family of Reginald Daye.
8. Tell her, if she is found guilty, to serve her time in a constructive manner and come out, on the other end of her sentence....NEVER to commit a crime again.
9. Tell her, once again, to stay the hell away from sidney harr


Bad advice. I am the antidote, not the poison, for Mangum. Because of my involvement, the trumped up charges against her will be dropped. What she needs to do is remain calm and patient and refuse any plea deals handed out by the desperate Durham prosecutors.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Hah! What you believe and what you know are two entirely different things. Don't you think that if I got 'decredentialed,' as you put it, that there would be some record of it? Let me clue you in... I did not get "decredentialed." If I would've gotten decredentialed, don't you think some of my detractors would've provided proof by now.

Wishful thinking and believing is not the same as the truth. Sorry to disappoint you."

Individual hospital credentialing and decredentialing procedures are confidential and not available on line and you know it.

The facts are, you never did a residency, never got board certification and retired from medicine 17 years after your graduation from Medical school. The most likely explanation is that you were decredentialed and were unable to get a job as a physician afterward.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY. LISTEN UP!!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

The next post will introduce an official interactive monthly flog magazine which will contain a number of flogs on a variety of issues. Stories will be added to the magazine throughout the month. I am sure that you will enjoy the new format. It should be posted in a day or two.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I will give you my opinion of what I think he will do in my next post. Hopefully it will be up within a couple of days. I've been busy away from the computer the past week or so."

I bet the Computer was grateful.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Hah! What you believe and what you know are two entirely different things. Don't you think that if I got 'decredentialed,' as you put it, that there would be some record of it? Let me clue you in... I did not get "decredentialed." If I would've gotten decredentialed, don't you think some of my detractors would've provided proof by now.

Wishful thinking and believing is not the same as the truth. Sorry to disappoint you."

Individual hospital credentialing and decredentialing procedures are confidential and not available on line and you know it.

The facts are, you never did a residency, never got board certification and retired from medicine 17 years after your graduation from Medical school. The most likely explanation is that you were decredentialed and were unable to get a job as a physician afterward.


Sorry, but I can't provide you with information about something that does not exist.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Mis amigos, just stay tuned. Action should pick up soon.

As far as governor, I don't plan on running, however, if McCrory is recalled and I win on a write-in campaign, then I will accept the position."

Who would cast a write in vote for you? All the people who attended your non news conference some months ago. You remember. The one in which Victory Poo Poo(isn't that precious) defamed Reginald Daye and then claimed the purpose of the non news conference was not to defame Mr. Daye.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The next post will introduce an official interactive monthly flog magazine which will contain a number of flogs on a variety of issues. Stories will be added to the magazine throughout the month. I am sure that you will enjoy the new format. It should be posted in a day or two."

More attempts on your part to get people to believe your lies by repeating them.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Sorry, but I can't provide you with information about something that does not exist."

Nevertheless, in spite of your denials, I believe that is the most likely explanation for why you so suddenly got out of medicine. So far as facts are concerned, you have never supplied any facts.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Bad advice. I am the antidote, not the poison, for Mangum."

An example of how you fail to state the facts.

"Because of my involvement, the trumped up charges against her will be dropped."

You have been saying that for over a year. The charges still stand and trial is coming up.

"What she needs to do is remain calm and patient and refuse any plea deals handed out by the desperate Durham prosecutors."

What she needs to do is follow her lawyer's advice which, I am certain right now, is not to listen to SIDNEY HARR.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Sorry, but I can't provide you with information about something that does not exist."

Could you possibly mean your credentials to practice medicine which vanished because of a decredentialing procedure.

Why did you retire from Medicine after only 17 years?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

One possible explanation for why you retired from medicine 7 years after your medical school graduation is you were just let go from your job and your job performance was so low no one would write you a recommendation for a new job.

Anonymous said...

Harr has no credibility, no basis upon which to claim any expertise, period. Merely attending medical school does NOT qualify one as an expert.........and, in fact, he has no documentation to support ANY experience or credibility in ANY specialty of medicine. Who gives a damn what he thinks? His opinions are worth no more/noless than any lay person's opinions. Harr is a clown....

Anonymous said...

I wanted to congratulate the Duke lacrosse team for winning the national championship.It was a great game.Always remember that no white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal Mangum much less go to all the trouble of raping her.A Duke co-ed said it best - those guys could get any girl they wanted.They would never have to stoop that low.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

I think if you had nothing to hide you would not be hesitant to explain why you retired from Medicine only 17 years after Medical School.

I retired 29 years after Medical school. I retired early because I suffered a head injury after which my hands did not work as well as they had.

Dr. Anonymous

Anonymous said...

On the one hand, I don't much care about sidney's background. It is not important to me. His opionions about medical issues are not credible because he refuses to establish his expertise or credentials.....which is what ANY expert would do. Failing to provide his the basis for any expertise, which is his choice, results in reasonable doubt about his background and expertise. frankly, I could care less about what he thinks because I consider him to be completely biased and racist.
The ABSENCE of any professional record, after being a physician doing something in the medical field, is just as telling as anything about Harr. He simply has no record........which, in the medical field, is unusual. There should be documentation of scholarly efforts, etc. Because there is nothing, it again raises questions about his truthfulness. BUT, bottom line is that he can claim to be anything he wishes....who cares? Reputable physicians are more than willing to share their bonafides.....he is not. go figure.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You render opinions which require medical expertise. You have written that you worked almost 20 years as an Emergency Physician.

In my opinion, that you do not explain why you will not back up you opinions with documentation of your expertise, you will not explain why you got out of Medicine 17 years after you graduated from Medical School, why you were never accepted into a residence is all circumstantial evidence that you are hiding something.

Hopefully someone with resources will hire a private investigator to find out your background details. I bet that possibility gives you nightmares.

Anonymous said...

Just by way of comparison, Dr. Roberts, who Harr likens to a turncoat unethical Evans whore, has an extensive completely transparent account of her professional history online and visible for anybody who can hit a key.....including all her medical school, affiliations, professional experiences, teaching, etc. If you google her further, you will find she has exceptional tickets and preparatory experience for her services as a consulting forensics and pathology-focused MD. .......Harr, zip.... except his endlessly loud mouth.

A lawyer said...

Anonymous said: Always remember that no white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal Mangum much less go to all the trouble of raping her.

That is stupid, ugly bullshit. Lots of interracial sex goes on all the time between all sorts of people.

More from Anonymous: A Duke co-ed said it best - those guys could get any girl they wanted.They would never have to stoop that low.

More bullshit. Rape is about power, not about sex. Men with attractive girlfriends nonetheless sometimes commit rape. The Duke Lacrosse defendants are innocent because overwhelming evidence (alibis, DNA, Mangum's inconsistent stories, etc., etc.) show their innocence, not because they are white or because they were popular athletes.

Anonymous said...

Agree with you 11:27......the nonsense about white men never electing to rape a black woman....is garbage. I am absolutely certain that somewhere back in my family's past, one of my white ancestors raped one of the black slaves who were in bondage on his plantation. I am from the south and I have doubt about it. As you say, rape has nothing to do with sex. It's all about power, aggression, dominance, and essential insecurity on the part of the rapist. Crystal Mangum lied. Period. There was no rape. Period. Done. We all know why some people just can't let it go.....because Mangum was supposed to be the poster woman for the class-gender-race crowd......who saw this poor single black working mother.....as raped by evil rich white males. And it was all bullshit. Total bullshit....and that pissed off just a whole bunch of folks...including the infamous 88.

Walt said...

Anonymous at 11:01 PM, your statements are beyond the pale. While this is Sid's blog and he can regulate speech as he sees fit, your contention is flat wrong. "A Lawyer" is correct.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

Funny how all the talk about the beating Mangum supposedly took has fallen off Sid's radar? Where are the famous photos that are gonna show her all beaten up, choked, hit in the face and head? Oh, and where is all the documentation of the supposed visit to another ER (Specialty ortho hospital) for the supposed beating that she took several weeks earlier, prior to the killing? And, where is the evidence to show how Daye had this wild history of being a woman beating drunken jerk? tick tick tick.....still waiting, sidney, still waiting.....

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...
"There are better ways for me to help Crystal"

June 2, 2013 at 3:21 PM




Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely believed. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he believed her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character, such a choice can be fraught with peril.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

Anonymous said...

KEN-Malek_HYDER-Williams-AL strikes again.

Anonymous said...

The phantom who rejected his parents' name, his "slave name", and now calls himself Male-eeek....is baaaaack! Hoooray........

Walt said...

Malek, a/k/a Anonymous at 5:27 PM wrote: " Crystal is not and never was a prostitute."

See below where Malek admits she has. Further, the evidence from the Lacrosse case clearly shows that she was prostituting herself immediately prior to her truncated performance.

"Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic."

The only part of the criminal file sealed by the court is her medical history which could resolve that issue. However, what is available publicly illustrates drug seeking behavior on her part.

"Crystal was a responsible parent."

Maybe it's my mid-western upbringing, but where I come from responsible parents don't leave their children for long periods of time to go out escorting and partying with married couples. Responsible parents don't bring their children to live with them and men who are not the fathers of said children. Responsible parents don't set fire to their "boyfriend's" shoes and clothes in the bathtub while the kids are in the house.

"Crystal was a responsible member of her community."

Responsible members of the community do not falsely accuse innocent people of crimes.

"Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character, such a choice can be fraught with peril."

See above.

Walt-in-Durham

kenhyderal said...

Walt, don't be disingenuous! You know as well as I do that those words are not Malek's words. They are words copied and pasted, as is his wont, from a post I made months ago. It's the despicable racist (like the one at 11:01 June 3rd.) , real trolls like like Malek Williams and meta-narrative buying posters that can only charge those who does not accept their theories as trolls, that drove me away from this blog.

Anonymous said...

KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL:

Why didn't you do us all a favor and stay away from this blog.

Anonymous said...

Crime statistics show there are very few cases of white men raping black women whereas black men raping white women is a very common crime.Facts are not racist.

Anonymous said...

Male-eeeeek, perhaps you could explain to us exactly how .....being transported by a driver from one location to another during an evening, for a "date" with a "client".......how going to a hotel room to see a "client"......how using sex toys like vibrators on oneself in front of a "client".....how showing up drunk in a flimsy negligee at a party.......how having male samples inside oneself from at least five different men......is not whoring. If it walks, quacks, looks like a duck, honey, it's a duck. The fact that Mangum was never arrested and charged with whoring simply means she wasn't arrested and charged with it. To claim that she was not selling it is silly, Male-eeeeek! And, who cares!!!

Anonymous said...

There have lingering rumors that Mangum was well known to the Durham Police.......and when I say "well known", I mean well KNOWN.....as in the Biblical sense. One does wonder just exactly who knows what about her johns.........

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

You render opinions which require medical expertise. You have written that you worked almost 20 years as an Emergency Physician.

In my opinion, that you do not explain why you will not back up you opinions with documentation of your expertise, you will not explain why you got out of Medicine 17 years after you graduated from Medical School, why you were never accepted into a residence is all circumstantial evidence that you are hiding something.

Hopefully someone with resources will hire a private investigator to find out your background details. I bet that possibility gives you nightmares.


Not really. If someone wants to throw away money, it's up to him/her. Upside is that it will generate a little income for the private investigator.

Nifong Supporter said...


A lawyer said...
Anonymous said: Always remember that no white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal Mangum much less go to all the trouble of raping her.

That is stupid, ugly bullshit. Lots of interracial sex goes on all the time between all sorts of people.

More from Anonymous: A Duke co-ed said it best - those guys could get any girl they wanted.They would never have to stoop that low.

More bullshit. Rape is about power, not about sex. Men with attractive girlfriends nonetheless sometimes commit rape. The Duke Lacrosse defendants are innocent because overwhelming evidence (alibis, DNA, Mangum's inconsistent stories, etc., etc.) show their innocence, not because they are white or because they were popular athletes.


Thanks, A lawyer and Walt, and others for trying to rein in the uncouth speech of some of the more rabid commenters.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Just by way of comparison, Dr. Roberts, who Harr likens to a turncoat unethical Evans whore, has an extensive completely transparent account of her professional history online and visible for anybody who can hit a key.....including all her medical school, affiliations, professional experiences, teaching, etc. If you google her further, you will find she has exceptional tickets and preparatory experience for her services as a consulting forensics and pathology-focused MD. .......Harr, zip.... except his endlessly loud mouth.


Harrism -

"The length of one's resume is no measurement of the breadth of one's integrity."

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

I think if you had nothing to hide you would not be hesitant to explain why you retired from Medicine only 17 years after Medical School.

I retired 29 years after Medical school. I retired early because I suffered a head injury after which my hands did not work as well as they had.

Dr. Anonymous


Dr. Anonymous, sorry to hear about your injury and the complications that forced you from medicine.

However, why I left medicine after 17 years is no more relevant to the fraudulent autopsy report of Reginald Daye than why you retired after 29 years.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT--

I should have my latest entry... an interactive flog monthly flog magazine, posted later this afternoon. I'm sure that you will enjoy the new format that will include a variety of topics and will be updated throughout the month. Cutting edge is what this blog site is all about.

As you were.

Anonymous said...

Poster-ism.....
The size of one's mouth is inversely proportional to the lack of one's intellectual capacity"....in other words, little ones, so you can understand.......your big mouth is a dead give-away for the tiny size of your brain.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Not really. If someone wants to throw away money, it's up to him/her. Upside is that it will generate a little income for the private investigator."

The upside is the world will know why you left the Practice of Medicine so soon. Most practitioners who leave so soon do so because they have to-either for medical reasons or other reasons. In spite of your posturing you are reluctant to reveal your background.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Harrism -

'The length of one's resume is no measurement of the breadth of one's integrity.'"

Irrelevant, since you have already shown you have no integrity.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"...why I left medicine after 17 years is no more relevant to the fraudulent autopsy report of Reginald Daye than why you retired after 29 years."

First you have not established the report as fraudulent. Your claim that a 5th grader can see it as fraudulent does not establish it as fact.

You opine that it is fraudulent. For your opinion to have any weight, legal or otherwise, you must establish it as authoritative. You have to show you know what you are talking about. You have not established you know what you are talking about. 17 years in Medicine with no residency training, no board certification does not show you know what you are talking about when you opine about the autopsy report.

Some more enlightenment and elucidation for you to reject.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Cutting edge is what this blog site is all about."

Some "Harrisms" which this blog is about:

Innocent Caucasian men should have been convicted of raping Crystal because they are Caucasian and Crystal is Black;

The world is controlled by the Carpetbagger Jihad;

The world does not like SIDNEY HARR because he is Black;

SIDNEY HARR is above the law;

AG Cooper has no right to express his opinion on the innocence of the falsely accused Lacrosse players because SIDNEY HARR does not believe they are innocent;

I could probably go on and on.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Poster-ism.....
The size of one's mouth is inversely proportional to the lack of one's intellectual capacity"....in other words, little ones, so you can understand.......your big mouth is a dead give-away for the tiny size of your brain.


As your "poster-ism" reads, if someone has a big mouth, his/her lack of intellectual capacity is small. Ergo, accordingly someone with a big mouth has big intellectual capacity. Okay.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Not really. If someone wants to throw away money, it's up to him/her. Upside is that it will generate a little income for the private investigator."

The upside is the world will know why you left the Practice of Medicine so soon. Most practitioners who leave so soon do so because they have to-either for medical reasons or other reasons. In spite of your posturing you are reluctant to reveal your background.


We all have our priorities. While yours is obviously to try and discredit me, mine is to enlighten Tar Heelians about the corruption in the state's justice system. I believe that a medical examiner who lies on an autopsy report threatens the integrity of the entire system!!

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT UPDATE--

Although it was my intention of uploading the interactive monthly flog magazine this evening, my attention was distracted to another issue. The flog will therefore be posted tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"We all have our priorities. While yours is obviously to try and discredit me,"

One has to be properly accredited in order to be discredited. You have never established any credentials in the first place. My question is why you have never established any credentials for yourself.

"mine is to enlighten Tar Heelians about the corruption in the state's justice system."

So say you who preaches that corrupt DA NIFONG was the paragon of an honest, honorable prosecutor.

"I believe that a medical examiner who lies on an autopsy report threatens the integrity of the entire system!!"

What you don't get that because you believe the medical examiner lied on the autopsy report does not mean that he did. You have no qualifications to know whether or not the Autopsy report was falsified.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Although it was my intention of uploading the interactive monthly flog magazine this evening, my attention was distracted to another issue. The flog will therefore be posted tomorrow. Sorry for the delay."

How do we know you are not trying to cover up another mistake on your part?

Anonymous said...

Nope, Harr, you must not have taken your medicine today. the poster correctly states the inverse relationship.....the bigger the mouth, the smaller the intellectual capacity. read it anyway you wish, the point here.....in all the silliness of your web site, is that you have shown your racist biased colors for years. .....and spouted the same incorrect medical pseudo-psycho babble.....and come to the same meaningless strawman conclusions.....and made an ass of yourself . We all know what to expect from you..........as the quote of Lilo and Stitch so wonderfully says....."you aint nothing but a big old trashcan full of poo"......

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Nope, Harr, you must not have taken your medicine today. the poster correctly states the inverse relationship.....the bigger the mouth, the smaller the intellectual capacity. read it anyway you wish, the point here.....in all the silliness of your web site, is that you have shown your racist biased colors for years. .....and spouted the same incorrect medical pseudo-psycho babble.....and come to the same meaningless strawman conclusions.....and made an ass of yourself . We all know what to expect from you..........as the quote of Lilo and Stitch so wonderfully says....."you aint nothing but a big old trashcan full of poo"......


What the poster specifically stated was: "The size of one's mouth is inversely proportional to the lack of one's intellectual capacity." The poster's use of the word "lack" makes all the difference in the world. Ask Walt. Even he will tell you that I interpreted the poster's statement accurately.

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