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Potpourri of Sensational Snippets - July 2013

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Anonymous said...: duke got high ratings in nc - number one hospital - and yet it has disenfranchised and horrified most of the citizens in nc with its corruption, murders, rapes (of little kids especially by a top universal medical duke leader) oh yeah - and rapes by cops, disputed deaths by cops, breaking and entering medical offices by a duke cops, the lacrosse case in general when so many have to rely on duke to save their lives in the midst of a major media screaming match between duke people and durham (a city STILL reeling from the negative effects from that case while duke grins on) ... ... ...

so, what duke person paid (was paid for) that number one rating?; July 18, 2013 at 6:44 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous@ 4:24 said:"Trayvon Martin unfortunately took the advice Kenny provided in this thread. Having been disrespected, Trayvon in all likelihood went back and confronted Zimmerman both verbally and physically. He punched him and slammed his head on the concrete sidewalk. Delivering a real beat down is the best way to earn respect. A younger, more athletic person can be an effective teacher.

Zimmerman unfortunately had a gun and ended the lesson on respect"............. Trayvon's girlfriend was the one that gave him advice and that was to run away from the threatening creep. My reaction would of been to ask him to stop stalking me or I will turn on you. Of course I'm a Canadian and we would never dream that in a situation like this the person bothering you would be armed and prepared to take your life. This would only happen if the stalker was a madman or a sexual predator that intended to sexually assault and then kill the witness. For Zimmerman there was no need to stop following the person he profiled because if that person objects to your harassing behaviour you can always shoot him. The direction the Police gave him to stop following was meant to prevent such an occurrence like this. It works both ways also because if Trayvon had been a criminal maybe he himself would also be armed Only in a gun crazy country like the US could such a thing happen. Saying that Trayvon was armed with the sidewalk is an insult to a person's intelligence as is trying to portray a skinny seventeen year old Trayvon as a hulking black behemoth whose fists are deadly weapons if sheer fantasy. Only a group of middle aged white American female jurors from Florida could buy that fabrication; July 18, 2013 at 9:48 PM
Anonymous said...: "Only a group of middle aged white American female jurors from Florida could buy that fabrication."

that is a statement that smacked of the following prejudices and a whole lot of assumptions:

a. age
b. race (or place of origin)
c. color
d. sex
e. national origin

guess you know that though.

i just saw a black man chewing out a white man on cnn with the same view on things that the juror had (the white man didn't)

so, you are wrong ... sorry

most black deaths at that age are black on black violence for whatever reasons i do not know, but from canada i say your view is skewed; July 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM
Anonymous said...: maybe the naacp in focusing on educating the youth they represent in this nation to learn to solve differences in non-violent ways - they could actually possibly create a peace movement in this nation like never seen before and change the course of history for the entire world for the better

the only ones who would object would be the race baiting war mongers; July 18, 2013 at 10:59 PM
Anonymous said...: the dems racial politics that created this case as it is when needed before the elections could now be used by the people for the true benefit of the people (not just 'them') - it the same potential whether something is done further with the case or not - as simply ignoring the issues now will only increase the chance for negative future history events (which is what 'they' want - remember the FEMA detentions centers and everything they represent at this point in time); July 18, 2013 at 11:50 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Trayvon's girlfriend was the one that gave him advice and that was to run away from the threatening creep."

Trayvon's girlfriend testified that the first words between Trayvon and George was Trayvon saying, Why are you following me?

"My reaction would of been to ask him to stop stalking me or I will turn on you. Of course I'm a Canadian and we would never dream that in a situation like this the person bothering you would be armed and prepared to take your life."

There is no evidence that George initiated the event in order to have an excuse to shoot Trayvon. If there had been, he would have been convicted.

"This would only happen if the stalker was a madman or a sexual predator that intended to sexually assault and then kill the witness."

Presumption of facts not in evidence.

"For Zimmerman there was no need to stop following the person he profiled because if that person objects to your harassing behaviour you can always shoot him.z"

Again presuming a fact that is not in evidence, that George Zimmerman intended from the outset to shoot Trayvon Martin.

"The direction the Police gave him to stop following was meant to prevent such an occurrence like this. It works both ways also because if Trayvon had been a criminal maybe he himself would also be armed Only in a gun crazy country like the US could such a thing happen."

True, except for your presumption of a fact not in evidence, that only in the US could this have happened.

"Saying that Trayvon was armed with the sidewalk is an insult to a person's intelligence as is trying to portray a skinny seventeen year old Trayvon as a hulking black behemoth whose fists are deadly weapons if sheer fantasy."

You are deluded if you think one can not kill another person with his fists, or that one can not kill another person by slamming his head against the sidewalk. Look at the pictures of George Zimmerman's head. Those lesions are real.

"Only a group of middle aged white American female jurors from Florida could buy that fabrication".

You are a blatant, unrepentant hypocritical racist who buys into the delusion that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006. From where you are speaking, it is not the moral high ground.; July 19, 2013 at 4:32 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

I say again, I believe that George Zimmmerman has civil liability for the death of Trayvon Martin. However, testimony from prosecution witnesses indicates that Trayvon Martin turned the situation violent.; July 19, 2013 at 4:35 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Would Trayvon Martin have confronted George Zimmerman had George Zimmerman been brandishing a gun. The most logical answer is no. If George Zimmerman was not brandishing his gun, if is circumstantial but strong evidence that he did not start the confrontation with the intent to kill. No intent to kill, no murder.

Just like you do with the phony Duke Rape case, you ignore the evidence which does not support your racist presumption of guilt.; July 19, 2013 at 9:26 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

According to the autopsy report oh Trayvon Martin, he was 5 feet 11 inches tall and weighed 158 pounds. That is not gigantic. However, neither is that slight.; July 19, 2013 at 9:28 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

George Zimmerman is 5 feet 7 inches tall and weighted 185 pounds. The size differential between Trayvon Martin and George Zimmmerman was anything but dramatic.; July 19, 2013 at 9:31 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this:

http://www.motherjones.com/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman

George Zimmerman did not note Trayvon Martin's race until asked by the 911 dispatcher. He reported Trayvon looked suspicious. The dispatcher asked him what the subject's race was.

Another fact you ignore because it does not support your racist presumption of guilt.; July 19, 2013 at 9:36 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/05/11045284-in-police-calls-zimmerman-mentioned-race-only-when-asked?lite

Prior to the tragic Trayvon Martin shooting, George Zimmerman had called the local police 7 times to report suspicious individuals. He mentioned race only when asked to do so by the dispatcher.; July 19, 2013 at 9:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Note to the honorable President Obama:

close mister but no cigar

all people of all races have their fears and experiences that grew those fears - just like the black people - mostely caused and brought about by race baiting war mongers (at least as seen in these days of human life - but probably throughout history - at least for humans - but if you look in the animal world as well - you can observe the same type behaviors - all a part of evolution and life as observed by most)

so ... yeah

i agree that blacks do have the experiences you speak of, but how do you know it is a person of a different race locking their car doors, or whatever ... seriously

or that other races don't experience the same reactions from a variety of other races as well as their own

i do understand the basis of the prejudice and discrimination is based on these fears and also just naturally being a living thing acting the way most living things act in this world

perhaps a bit more non-violent non-discriminatory for all prejudices solutions training is the key - for cops and the justice system especially - since they do tend to lead by example and have an overwhelming negative effect on the lives of many is the number one criteria as you say ... most do see things the same way in that regard

hope you are doing well and that the country is doing great for a bit to give you a break and all that.

sincerely - a fellow USA citizen; July 19, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Anonymous2 said...: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery -- then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."; July 19, 2013 at 5:28 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 4:32 AM 7-19-13 said: "Again presuming a fact that is not in evidence, that George Zimmerman intended from the outset to shoot Trayvon Martin".......... What then did Zimmerman intend to do. He followed Trayvon against the direction of the dispatcher. His defence claimed he was too weak and unfit to defend himself against this lanky, skinny, 17 yr. old. Why then was he a Neighbourhood Watchman in the first place if he was unable to handle an innocent teenager let alone deal with a real criminal or with a desperate drug addict? Why then did he disregard the dispatcher? Was he quite sure this person he had profiled was unarmed. Was he a big brave enforcer because he was packing a gun and was he convinced that this kid, most likely, was not. Did he identify himself to Trayvon? Remember Rachel was on the phone with Trayvon and testified that he asked Zimmerman "why are you following me" ; and then heard sounds of a scuffle commencing immediately. Zimmerman didn't take the stand as is his right but if he had the verdict would have been different. When an accused takes the stand it's a sign that his defence considers him not guilty and the truth will acquit him. On the other hand if the defence, in their heart, are not convinced of the innocence of their client they will keep him from testifying. I hope Crystal testifies because she has truth on her side. I hope her Lawyer recognizes this.; July 19, 2013 at 9:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Your last post demonstrates that the practice of criminal law is just one more topic about which you know nothing. Have you considered re-adopting your copy and paste method of posting?; July 20, 2013 at 3:48 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDER:

"What then did Zimmerman intend to do. He followed Trayvon against the direction of the dispatcher."

There is no evidence that George Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon Martin.

"His defence claimed he was too weak and unfit to defend himself against this lanky, skinny, 17 yr. old."

His defense was that he acted in self defense after Trayvon Martin attacked him. I say again, testimony from prosecution witnesses indicates Trayvon Martin did attack George Zimmerman and turned the confrontation violent.

"Why then was he a Neighbourhood Watchman in the first place if he was unable to handle an innocent teenager let alone deal with a real criminal or with a desperate drug addict? Why then did he disregard the dispatcher?"

I agree he should not have disregarded the dispatcher. Your questions about why he was a Neighborhood Watchman is irrelevant. Your question, if you meant it, implies that a watchman should try to apprehend a suspicious person.

"Was he quite sure this person he had profiled was unarmed. Was he a big brave enforcer because he was packing a gun and was he convinced that this kid, most likely, was not."

George Zimmeman was shorter than Trayvon Martin. You are presuming as fact something that definitely did not happen, that George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin. You are again ignoring facts which do not mesh with your racist presumption of guilt.

"Did he identify himself to Trayvon? Remember Rachel was on the phone with Trayvon and testified that he asked Zimmerman 'why are you following me' ; and then heard sounds of a scuffle commencing immediately."

What you have just said is evidence that Trayvon Martin turned the situation into a violent confrontation. It also indicates George Zimmerman was not brandishing a gun. It is highly unlikely, if he had been brandishing a gun, that Trayvon Martin would have rushed him.

"Zimmerman didn't take the stand as is his right but if he had the verdict would have been different. When an accused takes the stand it's a sign that his defence considers him not guilty and the truth will acquit him."

Here you are showing a Nifongian knowledge of US Constitutional law. If a suspect avails himself of his right to remain silent, he must be presumed guilty. It is what one would expect of a blind, hypocritical blatant unrepentant racist. If Crystal refuses to take the stand if she is tried for the death of Reginald Daye, you apparently believe she should be presumed guilty.

"On the other hand if the defence, in their heart, are not convinced of the innocence of their client they will keep him from testifying. I hope Crystal testifies because she has truth on her side. I hope her Lawyer recognizes this."

If her lawyer has her best interest in mind, he will not put her on the stand. Judging from her performance in the Duke false rape case, she would be a poor witness on her behalf. I point out again, Crystal did not claim self defense until after Reginald Daye had died and she had been charged with murder 1. If she would be such an effective witness, SIDNEY would not be hoping that she would not go to trial.; July 20, 2013 at 4:43 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"What then did Zimmerman intend to do."

Technical point, since people like you seem to think that your allegations are valid if they are not refuted. Wrong. Your allegations are not valid unless you can support them.

It gets back to, whoever asserts must prove, which is a foundation of criminal and civil law. You assert that George Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon Martin. You have never supported that assertion.

Did George Zimmerman brandish his gun and tell Trayvon to freeze. According to the girlfriend's testimony, no. Trayvon said to George, why are you following me, then the scuffle started.

Prosecution witness testimony supports George Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon had him pinned tp the ground.

So far as Trayvon slamming George's head against the concrete, there are photos of the injuries George Zimmerman suffered to the back of his head. Those injuries were real, unlike the injuries SIDNEY claims Crystal suffered at the hands of Reginald Daye.; July 20, 2013 at 6:06 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "When an accused takes the stand it's a sign that his defence considers him not guilty and the truth will acquit him. On the other hand if the defence, in their heart, are not convinced of the innocence of their client they will keep him from testifying."

You might recall Crystal's last trial. She chose not to testify. By your reasoning she and her lawyer considered her guilty of arson.

"I hope Crystal testifies ..."

Crystal may have to testify. She earlier declined to speak to the police as is her right. However, failure to cooperate with police and answer questions doesn't look good. In the English system, her failure to tell the police her version would be held against her. In that regard, she's lucky to be in North Carolina.

"...because she has truth on her side."

That's a difficult thing to assess without seeing the defense evidence. However, we do know that the defense will be unable to dispute the findings of the autopsy report, including the defensive wounds on the victim. That truth is not on Crystal's side.

We also know that the defense will not be able to refute the findings of the autopsy with regard to proximate cause of the death. They have evidence that confirms the autopsy. That truth is not on Crystal's side.

We have seen the photos of Crystal's so called injuries and those certainly don't support the story that Sid is putting out of a savage beating. That truth is not on Crystal's side.

"I hope her Lawyer recognizes this."

He's not ignorant of the law or the facts. Thus, he is continuing the only real successful defense that Crystal has had, delay.

Walt-in-Durham; July 20, 2013 at 7:34 AM
Anonymous2 said...: Kennyhyderal writes: Saying that Trayvon was armed with the sidewalk is an insult to a person's intelligence... Only a group of middle aged white American female jurors from Florida could buy that fabrication.

An interesting comment from a poster who repeatedly has claimed that Mangum was raped at the lacrosse party by three unidentified non-players, citing as "proof" Mangum's vague accusations (feeling free to disregard any details because of impairment), the failure to match DNA to any of the players or other identified attendees and the failure of the DPD to conduct a bona fide investigation or Nifong to demand one.

Kenny, what was it that you said about projection?; July 20, 2013 at 9:07 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 4:43 AM said: "You are presuming as fact something that definitely did not happen, that George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin"........ Whaa??? Didn't profile Trayvon? Get real! You should have listened to your President's speech yesterday. Every African American in your country gets unfairly profiled. Just ask them.; July 20, 2013 at 10:09 AM
Anonymous2 said...: EKenny claims: Every African American in your country gets unfairly profiled.

This is demonstrably false. I agree that profiling does occur. Those who are law abiding are unfairly targeted.

However, the fact remains that young black males in the US commit a wildly disproportionate share of violent crimes. Most of their victims are other black males. Those who are guilty of just crimes are not unfairly profiled.

I suggest that profiling occurs by most not out of racial animus, but rather as a response to crime statistics.

The earlier quote from Jesse Jackson suggests that whites and hispanics are not the only people that engage in profiling.; July 20, 2013 at 10:57 AM
Anonymous2 said...: Typos corrected.

Kenny claims: Every African American in your country gets unfairly profiled.

This is demonstrably false. I agree that profiling does occur. Those who are law abiding are unfairly targeted.

However, the fact remains that young black males in the US commit a wildly disproportionate share of violent crimes. Most of their victims are other black males. Those who are guilty of those crimes are not unfairly profiled.

I suggest that profiling occurs by most not out of racial animus, but rather as a response to crime statistics.

The earlier quote from Jesse Jackson suggests that whites and hispanics are not the only people who engage in profiling.; July 20, 2013 at 11:02 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Didn't profile Trayvon? Get real! You should have listened to your President's speech yesterday. Every African American in your country gets unfairly profiled. Just ask them."

I am asking you. How many times did George Zimmerman call the 911 dispatcher about suspicious people as a neighborhood watchman. Eight, including the call he made about Trayvon Martin. In how many did he volunteer he race of the suspicious person. Zero.

He volunteered the race of Trayvon Martin AFTER the dispatcher asked him to do so.

Your generality does not apply in this specific case. The evidence indicates George Zimmerman was not profiling Trayvon at the time.

You are again dismissing facts because they do not support your racist presumption of guilt.

By the way, what do you think of Walt's statement that Crystal actually admitted she was guilty of arson when she declined to take the stand?; July 20, 2013 at 12:35 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

For the record, I would be more impressed with Mr. Obama's stance on raciak justice if he had done things like 1)call out the North Carolina NAACP for the way they cooperated with the persecution of the innocent Lacrosse players, 2) denounced Al Sharpton for what he is, a black racist, 3) applauded the serving of notice on Tawana Brawley that she has to pay the judgment Steven Pagones won because she defamed him, not only the judgment plus interest and, 4) fired AG Holder for refusing to investigate the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation.; July 20, 2013 at 12:44 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 12:35 said: "By the way, what do you think of Walt's statement that Crystal actually admitted she was guilty of arson when she declined to take the stand" .... Crystal admitted to setting the clothes on fire, while being interrogated, the day after her arrest and, it was recorded. That was shown to the jury. She did not, however, admit committing the crime of arson. There is a big difference you know. Read what I said. She took the advice of her appointed Lawyer who, it appears, was not totally convinced of her innocence. It's always nice to have a Lawyer that believes in their client's innocence. They then tend to provide a better defence. Judge Jones saw that the "piled on" accompanying child abuse charges were completely bogus. His expression that these charges depended on her being guilty of the arson charge had to be withdrawn from jury consideration but he did what he could to rectify the situation by reflecting that in the sentence he gave her and in his post-sentencing remarks about her parenting. Which, I might add, greatly assisted in her regaining the custody of her children.; July 20, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Crystal admitted to setting the clothes on fire, while being interrogated, the day after her arrest and, it was recorded. That was shown to the jury. She did not, however, admit committing the crime of arson. There is a big difference you know."

According to you, there isn't. Refusal to take the stand and testify in your defense is an indication you are guilty. Crystal was charged with arson. She refused to take the stand and defend herself. Ergo, according to you she WAS guilty of arson. What a racist hypocrite you are.

"Read what I said."

I did. It showed you are a racist hypocrite.

"She took the advice of her appointed Lawyer who, it appears, was not totally convinced of her innocence. It's always nice to have a Lawyer that believes in their client's innocence. They then tend to provide a better defence."

Like the lawyers who believed in the innocence of their clients?

"Judge Jones saw that the "piled on" accompanying child abuse charges were completely bogus. His expression that these charges depended on her being guilty of the arson charge had to be withdrawn from jury consideration but he did what he could to rectify the situation by reflecting that in the sentence he gave her and in his post-sentencing remarks about her parenting."

Wrong. Judge Jones gave Crystal a break she did not deserve. If he had administered true justice, Crystal would have received prison time and Reginald Daye might still be alive.

Judge Jones was subsequently voted off the bench, showing what the electorate thought of him.

"Which, I might add, greatly assisted in her regaining the custody of her children."

Which was a great disservice to said children.

Crystal, meanwhile, was found guilty of a number of crimes, including child abuse. She was not exonerated of the crime of arson. The jury was hung, after which inept Judge Jones dismissed the charge.

In any event, according to your criteria, Crystal did admit her guilt.; July 20, 2013 at 5:02 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous@ 5:02 said: "According to you, (there isn't) (R) refusal to take the stand and testify in your defense is an indication you are guilty. Crystal was charged with arson. She refused to take the stand and defend herself. Ergo, according to you she WAS guilty of arson. What a racist hypocrite you are..........No. Here is what I said: ("On the other hand) (i) If the defence, in their heart, are not convinced of the innocence of their client "they" will keep him(/her) from testifying. I hope Crystal testifies because she has truth on her side. I hope her Lawyer recognizes this."..... As much as Crystal would have liked to tell her side, of what happened, to the jury in her arson and child neglect case her Defence Lawyer said no. I suggest this Court appointed Lawyer did not believe her. That's why her Defence, in my mind, was rather feeble; July 20, 2013 at 8:30 PM
Anonymous said...: durham just needs a justice system that works for all people of nc - not just for duke

duke = politics

politics does not equal duke alone

therein lies the problem

in durham anyway; July 20, 2013 at 11:34 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Here is what I said: ("On the other hand) (i) If the defence, in their heart, are not convinced of the innocence of their client "they" will keep him(/her) from testifying."

De facto, what you said was that the failure of a defendant to take the stand is an indication of guilt. Like SIDNEY HARR, you are trying, rather ineffectually, to C your racist A.

"I hope Crystal testifies because she has truth on her side. I hope her Lawyer recognizes this."..... As much as Crystal would have liked to tell her side, of what happened, to the jury in her arson and child neglect case her Defence Lawyer said no."

What makes you think Crystal would have taken the stand. When her book was announced, Crystal had the opportunity to answer questions about the phoney rape case. She refused to do so.

"I suggest this Court appointed Lawyer did not believe her. That's why her Defence, in my mind, was rather feeble".

During the phoney rape case, Crystal made multiple contradictory statements about what happened. And since no rape happened it was not because she was in a state of shock over a rape. Her court appointed lawyer realized that Crystal would have hung herself if she testified. She would hang herself if she testifies in her trial for the death of Reginald Daye.; July 21, 2013 at 4:10 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

If you believe so fiercely that gun violence is a white on black phenomenon, come to Charleston SC for a month and watch the news. Not a month goes by without stories of black men shooting, sometimes killing, other black men. Why does that phenomenon not concern people like you?; July 21, 2013 at 4:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril..; July 21, 2013 at 5:19 AM
kenhyderal said...: Other then sentence number one these are my words and cowardly anonymous and dishonest posters like you are trying to pass them off as their own. That statement is, however, 100% true. I hope you are sincere and realize the truth of the words you posted, as if they were your own but, the way you go about it casts doubt on your sincerity. If you, truly, support Crystal the way you are doing it is not helpful.; July 21, 2013 at 8:25 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @4:41 said: "If you believe so fiercely that gun violence is a white on black phenomenon, come to Charleston SC for a month and watch the news"..... . I have no such belief. What I do believe, though, is that America's gun culture is uncivilized. Although it often takes decades for America to catch up someday there will be sensible gun laws, single payer universal health care, equality for LGBT people, reproductive rights for women, ending the death penalty, and finally achieve a post-racial society where justice is administered fairly. With slavery you were six decades behind the civilized world followed by eight decades of segregation.; July 21, 2013 at 8:42 AM
Anonymous said...: close mister but no cigar

USA will never achieve those lofty goals before it blows the world to smitherins ... sorry; July 21, 2013 at 9:13 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous July 21, 2013 at 5:19 AM

KEN-Makek-HYDER-Williams_AL anonymously strikes again.; July 21, 2013 at 9:41 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"'If you believe so fiercely that gun violence is a white on black phenomenon, come to Charleston SC for a month and watch the news'..... . I have no such belief."

If you noticr I said IF, again IF, you have such a belief.

"What I do believe, though, is that America's gun culture is uncivilized."

What you don't seem to believe is that Black people readily take advantage of that gun culture.

"With slavery you were six decades behind the civilized world followed by eight decades of segregation"

Check your history. Slavery was not ended in Canada until 1834. Canada does have a history of displacing indigenous people so Caucasian Canadians could take their land and suppress their culture.

My point is, racists like you and Al Sharpton believe that skapegoating George Zimmerman will ddo something about violence towards blacks. Put it this way. If Mr. Obama had been shot to death 35 years ago, there are statistics out there showing the perp would have been more likely to be black. Trayvon's mother says she doesn't want another Black mother to lose her son. If that happens again within a year, statistics show the perpetrator will more likely be black.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/interracial-homicide-rate-growing; July 21, 2013 at 9:51 AM
Anonymous said...: i am sure mr. sharpton did not really give much thought to the violence when he helped to hyper-racialize and politicize this case

it was an election political event

same as the duke lacrosse case

just more race-baiting war-mongering politicing ... that's all

will the judial or stand your ground or criminal justice system be bettered with humane and thoughtful non-prejudicial, non-discriminatory political support and non-deadly force training by this event as would seem to be a logical and rational moving forward point from this case - and whose perception of 'bettered' will be followed or more accurately forced or brain washed upon the people?

all of these events are orchestrated of course - from the point that some event is singled out for some political reason or another by the powers that be - that needs to change in the judicial system esp., but also in the very people who willingly or not find themselves caught in similar situations.

like durham, these type events simply turn the judicial system into one big joke that even their own people can't accept - which is encouraging perhaps - who knows; July 21, 2013 at 10:21 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out, if you dare:

http://www.ironicsurrealism.com/2012/05/19/before-there-was-justice-for-trayvon-george-zimmerman-launched-justice-for-sherman-ware-a-black-homeless-man-knocked-unconscious-by-a-white-man-video-of-the-knock-out/; July 21, 2013 at 11:30 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check these out, if you dare:

http://www.decodedscience.com/roderick-scott-the-black-george-zimmerman-acquitted-of-murder/33569

http://www.decodedscience.com/roderick-scott-the-black-george-zimmerman-acquitted-of-murder/33569/2

These discuss the similarities between George Zimmerman and a Black man named Roderick Scott.

Some people would say that this shows a black man should get a pass for shooting an unarmed white teenager under similar circumstances.; July 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

From the second URL I gave you:

"Both Zimmerman and Scott made 911 calls although Scott’s girlfriend made the actual call at Scott’s request. These calls went a long way in negating intent; PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A FIGHT OR INTENTIONALLY WANT TO INFLICT HARM AGAINST ANOTHER, USUALLY DO NOT TELEPHONE THE AUTHORITIES AND ADVISE THEM OF THEIR LOCATION(emphasis added)."; July 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

More from the second URL:

"According to Zimmerman, Martin sucker punched him and knocked his head on the ground before Zimmerman took out his gun and shot Martin. The jury did not have to believe this to acquit him; all they had to decide there was a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense when he shot Martin. And there was some physical evidence, namely injuries to Zimmerman’s face and head, to corroborate Zimmerman’s version of events."

Where is the evidence that George Zimmerman was brandishing his gun when he got out of the car?

There is photographic evidence of his injuries.; July 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

More:

"Another major difference between the two cases is the media coverage. Although there were a few articles published after Martin was killed that compared the two cases, there was virtually no coverage of the Scott case in 2009, other than by the local media in the Rochester area."

Why was that?; July 21, 2013 at 11:46 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Finally:

"Those who are saying that if Zimmerman had been black and Martin white, he would have been convicted, should take a good look at the Scott case.
Despite the fact the verdict in the Scott case resulted in one less African American being incarcerated in an American prison, neither President Obama, nor Rev. Al Sharpton – nor the NAACP have chosen to publicly comment on the jury’s decision."

Why.

I repeat. If Mr. Obama had been shot 35 years ago, statistics indicate it was more likely the perpetrator would have been a black man, not a Caucasian or an Hispanic neighborhood watchman.; July 21, 2013 at 11:48 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

And, whether or not you like to confront this, I will say again, if some other black mother's son is shot dead on the street, statistics indicate that it is more likely that the perp will be another black man.; July 21, 2013 at 11:49 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

https://www.google.com/search?q=george+zimmerman+head+lacerations&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=0y7sUdW4IIfm8gTpt4HQAQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1433&bih=747#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=jrkp_L6xoSO51M%3A%3BIxBM3DAjt0zpoM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.sodahead.com%252Fpolls%252F002659549%252F4011619055_George_Zimmerman_Bloody_Head_xlarge.jpeg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.sodahead.com%252Funited-states%252Fabc-news-exclusive-zimmerman-medical-report-shows-broken-nose-lacerations-after-trayvon-martin-sho%252Fquestion-2659549%252F%3B350%3B221

This is a link to a police photo showing George Zimmerman's head lacerations. These are real, not made up, like SIDNEY's "evidence" that Reginald Daye beat Crystal.; July 21, 2013 at 11:59 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532

This is a link to an ABC news story that cites George Zimmerman's medical record. There is medical documentation that George Zimmerman suffered injuries in the confrontation with Trayvon Martin.

I point out that SIDNEY HARR has never provided any medical documentation of Crystal's alleged injuries.; July 21, 2013 at 12:02 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

To my comment of July 21, 2013 at 11:44 AM I add this:

The Jury found, based on the evidence presented, that George Zimmerman was acting in self defense. What evidence have you presented that George Zimmerman was not acting in self defense. The answer is, none. Neither did the prosecution.; July 21, 2013 at 12:06 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @11:30 said: "Check this out, if you dare" ............ George Zimmerman did the right thing that time but certainly not this time.; July 21, 2013 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"George Zimmerman did the right thing that time but certainly not this time."

It does not show George Zimmerman is racist. That bothers you, doesn't it.; July 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"George Zimmerman did the right thing that time but certainly not this time."

You have never done the right thing in your life, I would suspect.; July 21, 2013 at 7:47 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @9:51 7-21-13 said: "Check your history. Slavery was not ended in Canada until 1834. Canada does have a history of displacing indigenous people so Caucasian Canadians could take their land and suppress their culture"............ Stop trying to distort history to make it appear as if other countries were just as bad. There was no slavery in Canada in 1834. Lower and Upper Canada were British Colonies. Slavery was banished in Lower Canada in 1791 and in Upper Canada in 1793. Britain banned slavery in all it's colonies in 1834 but that law was superfluous as far as Canada was concerned. And we never went fro slavery to decades of segregation. That' was you and the Boors in South Africa. We had no Indian Wars in Canada where the Federal Armed Forces waged war on the native people.(General Phillip Sheridan-"the only good Injun is a dead Injun". Land reserved for Native People displaced by the massive European influx was negotiated for not seized There is hope though. As President Obamas said Sasha and Melia's generation will bring about the changes I outlined..... "Although it often takes decades for America to catch up someday there will be sensible gun laws, single payer universal health care, equality for LGBT people, reproductive rights for women, ending of the death penalty, and they will finally achieve a post-racial society where justice is administered fairly.; July 21, 2013 at 8:58 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 4:41 said: "It does not show George Zimmerman is racist. That bothers you, doesn't it"... What bothers me is that an innocent teen was profiled as being a criminal. I can't prove it but I strongly suspect that his race figured into that profiling.; July 21, 2013 at 9:06 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @7:47 said: "You have never done the right thing in your life, I would suspect"............. Your suspicions about me, just like those of George Zimmerman about innocent teen Trayvon are groundless.; July 21, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Anonymous said...: yes, the teen was profiled by both zimmerman and the 911 operator who asked about race - there - proven by the 911 call itself - read the 911 call in its unedited form to truly understand that case instead of preaching to the masses eh; July 22, 2013 at 1:04 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Stop trying to distort history to make it appear as if other countries were just as bad. There was no slavery in Canada in 1834. Lower and Upper Canada were British Colonies. Slavery was banished in Lower Canada in 1791 and in Upper Canada in 1793. Britain banned slavery in all it's colonies in 1834 but that law was superfluous as far as Canada was concerned. And we never went fro slavery to decades of segregation. That' was you and the Boors in South Africa. We had no Indian Wars in Canada where the Federal Armed Forces waged war on the native people.(General Phillip Sheridan-"the only good Injun is a dead Injun". Land reserved for Native People displaced by the massive European influx was negotiated for not seized There is hope though. As President Obamas said Sasha and Melia's generation will bring about the changes I outlined..... "Although it often takes decades for America to catch up someday there will be sensible gun laws, single payer universal health care, equality for LGBT people, reproductive rights for women, ending of the death penalty, and they will finally achieve a post-racial society where justice is administered fairly."

You sure do not like to confront the truth.

Americans who immigrated into Canada prior to the War of 1812 brought their slaves with them. Slavery was not abolished in Canada until 1834.

When Canada took over Prince Rupert's land, it forcibly expelled the inhabitants, the Meitis, to give their land to Canadian Wasps.

Forcible reeducation of the Native American population, an attempt to turn them into proper Canadians continued well into the 20th Century. Much of what you say is true. However, Canada never was the model of freedom and tolerance you make it out to be.; July 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"What bothers me is that an innocent teen was profiled as being a criminal. I can't prove it but I strongly suspect that his race figured into that profiling."

That "innocent teen" was no choirboy, to bother language which was used to justify the wrongful prosecution of the innocent Duke Lacrosse players.

There was no attempt on the part of George Zimmerman to profile him.

And the evidence shows clearly, except to a blind, hypocritical blatant unrepentant Canadian racist, that George Zimmerman neither intended to kill Trayvon Martin nor turned the confrontation violent.; July 22, 2013 at 4:28 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Your suspicions about me, just like those of George Zimmerman about innocent teen Trayvon are groundless."

My opinions of what happened between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin are supported by evidence which came out from PROSECUTION witnesses at trial.

When have you ever done the right thing. When you have tried to coddle convicted criminal Crystal Mangum and say her troubles are all the responsibility of evil white men? Oh come now.; July 22, 2013 at 4:31 AM
Anonymous said...: I will say this again.

Statistics readily available on the web show that when black men are murdered, the perp is another black man, much much more commonly than a Caucasian or Hispanic neighborhood watchman.

Mr. Obama has commented that 35 years ago, he might have been gunned down. If that had happened, most likely the perpetrator would have been another black man.

Trayvon's mother has said she does not want another black mother to lose her son the way she lost Trayvon. Again, if that happens, most likely the perpetrator will be another black man.

Skapegoating George Zimmerman will have no effect on how many black men are murdered because it ignores the real causes of the problem. Neither will pandering to one of the most vicious race baiters in the history of the US, Al Sharpton.; July 22, 2013 at 5:25 AM
Anonymous said...: You read WRONG. No such remarks were made on the tape. It was played over and over, during the trial....by both sides......no such remarks were made.; July 22, 2013 at 5:45 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "Read what I said. She took the advice of her appointed Lawyer who, it appears, was not totally convinced of her innocence. It's always nice to have a Lawyer that believes in their client's innocence."

Not when the client is guilty, as Crystal was. A lawyer how knows the facts and the law is in a better position to advise the client of her choices, and the costs of those choices. Crystal's lawyer in the arson case did a masterful job of keeping her from getting a felony conviction. A conviction that would have followed her testimony.

"They [a lawyer acting on belief rather than information] then tend to provide a better defence."

Quite the opposite. They provide terrible defense because they are not informed of the law or the facts. Ignorance is not a defense and an ignorant attorney is worse than no defense at all.

Judge Jones saw that the "piled on" accompanying child abuse charges were completely bogus. His expression that these charges depended on her being guilty of the arson charge had to be withdrawn from jury consideration but he did what he could to rectify the situation by reflecting that in the sentence he gave her and in his post-sentencing remarks about her parenting."

That was one of the main reasons Jones drew such opposition from the bar. He never could make a decision in court and stick with it. However, he was correct to reverse himself in that instance.

"Which, I might add, greatly assisted in her regaining the custody of her children."

Which subjected her children to more instability and all around lousy parenting.

Walt-in-Durham; July 22, 2013 at 6:26 AM
Anonymous said...: I am astounded at anybody who would feel good about enabling Mangum to get her hands on any/all of her children! Good God....Jones should be hiding his backside for the rest of his life over the comment about Mangum being a "good mother". Reallllly? Realllly? Drunk, being really friendly with strangers for a living, pole vaulting, shacking up, leaving her kids with others, etc.......yep. she gets my vote for the Good Mother of the Year. You betcha...; July 22, 2013 at 12:59 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2012/05/23/should_black_people_tolerate_this/page/full:

"There are a few civil rights leaders with a different vision. When President Barack Obama commented about the Trayvon Martin case, T. Willard Fair, president of the Urban League of Greater Miami, told The Daily Caller that 'the outrage should be about us killing each other, about black-on-black crime.' He asked rhetorically, 'Wouldn't you think to have 41 people shot (in Chicago) between Friday morning and Monday morning would be much more newsworthy and deserve much more outrage?' Former NAACP leader Pastor C.L. Bryant said the rallies organized by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson suggest there is an epidemic of 'white men killing black young men,' adding: 'The epidemic is truly black-on-black crime. The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.'"

Comments?

Do you really believe scapegoating George Zimmerman will have any effect on this situation. Or are you, like Jesse and Al, pretending this situation does not exist.; July 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2013/02/06/african-american-dressed-in-kkk-hood-on-street-corner-sparks-controversy-in-philadelphia/:

"According to the FBI, in 2011 more than 7,000 black people were killed. King’s sign reads that the KKK killed 3,446 blacks in 86 years, while black on black murders surpass that number every six months."; July 22, 2013 at 3:19 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

More to check out:

http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/viewpoint/racial-hypocrisy-1.2995373#.Ue2wImTTWIc:

"Nicholas King, the black man who was festooned in KKK wear, had a sign that read “The KKK killed 3,446 blacks in 86 years while black-on-black murder surpasses that number every six months.” While King’s claim might seem outlandish at first, it is a terrible truth: Blacks have died at each others’ hands this past year far more than the Klan ever killed. According to the FBI, in 2011 more than 7,000 black people were killed. Most of these deaths were attributed to gang violence in the densely populated cites of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Philadelphia. In Philadelphia, according to Philadelphia police, a staggering 85 percent of those killed were black. Furthermore, the Centers for Disease Control report that in 2010 there were 11,078 homicides by firearm in the United States, and 7,220 of the victims — 65 percent — were aged 15-34. In addition, 6,151 — or 56 percent — were black, a demographic that comprises about 13 percent of the total U.S. population. Very few people know that so many blacks die at the hands of each other every year in the United States."

Comments?; July 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 5:25 said: "Neither will pandering to one of the most vicious race baiters in the history of the US, Al Sharpton"...........Reverend Sharpton is a person I look up to. He takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice while at the same time always "doing the right thing" by never advocating hatred or violence.; July 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Al Sharpton is a race huckster who makes his greasy living off trying to conjure up hate where it does not exist. If there were a lower scumbag, it would have to be his illegitimate baby-making Rev pal, Jesse...or the anti=semite Farrakhan. In Floria since 2005 the number of blacks who have used and WON not guilty verdicts on the standyourground defense triples verdicts won by whites. Seems to me blacks have figured out how to kill each other and get away with it......far more frequently than whites.; July 22, 2013 at 4:04 PM
Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "He takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice while at the same time always "doing the right thing" by never advocating hatred or violence."
Ask the family of Yankel Rosenbaum about that.; July 22, 2013 at 5:30 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

".Reverend Sharpton is a person I look up to. He takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice while at the same time always "doing the right thing" by never advocating hatred or violence."

You have to pretty deep in a low low gutter to be able to look up to race baiter Sharpton.; July 22, 2013 at 5:36 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

".Reverend Sharpton is a person I look up to. He takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice while at the same time always "doing the right thing" by never advocating hatred or violence."

Correction:

One has to be crawling on one's belly in a deep deep gutter in order to look up to race baiter Sharpton.

For that matter race baiter Sharpton is so low on the vitriolic venom scale it is impossible to look up on him. One can only look down on him.; July 22, 2013 at 5:40 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

".Reverend Sharpton is a person I look up to. He takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice while at the same time always "doing the right thing" by never advocating hatred or violence."

That is only an admission that you are a blind hypocritical; July 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

".Reverend Sharpton is a person I look up to. He takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice while at the same time always "doing the right thing" by never advocating hatred or violence."

That is but another admission on your own part that you ARE a blind, hypocritical blatant unrepentant racist.; July 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Respectable people would sooner admit they had a terrible contagious disease rather than say, I look up to Sharpton.; July 22, 2013 at 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"[Sharpton] takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice while at the same time always "doing the right thing" by never advocating hatred or violence."

Is that what he was doing when he admitted to one of his people that the Tawana Brawley affair was a hoax and he was doing it because he wanted to be the biggest "n----r" in Brooklyn.

I was in New York State at the time and saw the broadcast. The word "n----r" is a quote.; July 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20099354,00.html

"Politics, McKinnon(Perry McKinnon, an aide close to Sharpton) says, and more particularly the political ambitions of the three Brawley advisers, are what the case has been about from the beginning. 'This case is not about Tawana. It's about Mason, Maddox and Sharpton taking over the town, so to speak.' He calls them 'hustlers and crooks' and quotes Sharpton as exclaiming: 'We beat this, we will be the biggest niggers in New York.' Alton Maddox, says McKinnon, laughed and said, 'You know, you're right.'"

Graphic example of how race baiter Sharpton "takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice".

Care to explain?; July 22, 2013 at 6:10 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/06/17/nyregion/former-worker-with-sharpton-testifies-to-jury.html; July 23, 2013 at 5:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Check this out:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/03/FLASHBACK-Brawley-Video-Reminds-Us-How-Horrible-Al-Sharpton-Is:

"A look into the motivations of the advisors came from Perry McKinnon, a decorated war hero who was a close associate of Sharpton. The New York Times shows an interview with McKinnon in which he says: "This whole situation is not about Tawana Brawley. It's about Mason, Maddox and Sharpton taking over the town. Their exact words were, 'We beat this, we will be the biggest (n-words) in New York.'"

And(Sharpton's reply):

"In the video, a present-day Al Sharpton gives a skillful non-denial denial to McKinnon's accusation. It is notable because Sharpton doesn't say McKinnion is simply lying, instead parsing his words gingerly: 'Let's take the outside chance McKinnon is telling the truth--and by the way, there's nobody corroborating with that--if I say that if I win for President when I ran I'd be the biggest black guy in America; does that really mean that I perpetrated a lie?'"; July 23, 2013 at 5:26 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://thedailypamphlet.com/the-guilty-al-sharpton-4820.html:

"Take an incident in 1991 where a seven year old black child named Gavin Cato had been killed by the car of a Hasidic Jew. Within three hours, anti-Semitic mobs had murdered a rabbinical student named Yankel Rosenbaum 'in retribution.' Sharpton attended young Cato’s funeral, where he issued criticism of the Jewish community and 'organized massive, angry demonstrations.' The 'diamond merchants,' as Sharpton so compassionately referred to these Jews, were invited to “pull their yarmulkes back and come over to my house,” where the score would be settled. Incited by this rhetoric, more anti-Semitic mobs erupted, lasting for three days, damaging the homes, vehicles, and businesses of local Jews."

Yeah, Al is a fine example of some one who "takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice while at the same time always 'doing the right thing' by never advocating hatred or violence."

HUH!!!???

I usually do not like French but it is appropriate here. You, KENHYDERAL, in your admiration of al is an example of a racist ass.; July 23, 2013 at 5:31 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-06-19/news/8801080835_1_tawana-brawley-brawley-family-criminal-case:

"Then last week Perry McKinnon, a private investigator and former aide to Sharpton, said on TV that Brawley`s advisers had doubted her story all along but were keeping the charade going to enhance their own stature and fund-raising abilities. `There was no case, only a media show,` he told WCBS-TV."

And:

"Sharpton, Mason and Maddox are men who would be ``King``-Martin Luther King. They look more like clowns. As a black American, I see no reason to laugh. If they have been using Brawley`s misfortune to squeeze an unsuspecting public of money and support under false pretenses, the joke may be on me."

Yes, al is someone who indeed "takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice"-NOT!!!; July 23, 2013 at 6:53 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

More about al, who "takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice":

http://specfriggintacular.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/al-sharptons-double-standards-and-perverse-love-affair-with-racism/

"Three months later something very important happened: a Sharpton aide named Perry McKinnon stepped forward to make a remarkable series of disclosures. A former police officer, private investigator, and director of security at a Brooklyn Hospital, McKinnon revealed that “Sharpton acknowledged to me early on that ‘The [Brawley] story do sound like bull—t, but it don’t matter. We’re building a movement. This is the perfect issue. Because you’ve got whites on blacks. That’s an easy way to stir up all the deprived people, who would want to believe and who would believe—and all [you’ve] got to do is convince them—that all white people are bad. Then you’ve got a movement.” Explaining that Sharpton was methodically “building an atmosphere” for a race war, McKinnon continued: “Sharpton told me it don’t matter whether any whites did it or not. Something happened to her…even if Tawana done it to herself.” To prove his truthfulness, McKinnon submitted to a lie detector test administered on camera and passed all questions."; July 23, 2013 at 6:57 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Even more to check out about al who "takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice":

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3042827/replies?c=29:

Decorated Army veteran Perry McKinnon, former sharpton stated:

"Sharpton acknowledged to me early on that 'The Brawley story do (sic) sound like bull****, but it don’t matter. We’re building a movement. This is the perfect issue. Because you’ve got whites on blacks. That’s an easy way to stir up all the deprived people, who would want to believe and who would believe — and all [you’ve] got to do is convince them — that all white people are bad. Then you’ve got a movement.... It don’t matter whether any whites did it or not. Something happened to her ... even if Tawana don’t (sic) it to herself.'”

I add, al who "takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice" falsely accused Stephen Pagones and other white men of raping tawana.

However, since you think it is justice that Crystal falsely accused white men of raping her, it is no surprise you consider al as someone who "takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice".; July 23, 2013 at 7:03 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Since you like to quote scripture for your own ends, here is a scriptural description which fits al:

"'A fool's lips enter into contention, and his mouth calls for blows." —Proverbs 18:6"; July 23, 2013 at 7:09 AM
Anonymous said...: is this a big part of why there is a stereotype about all blacks then?

i think most people are starting to 'get it' by now - and just want the blacks to be part of the usa the same as any other ... without being a political hot point or scrapegoat or a section of society that needs to be treated more or less special than any other race in this country - as to be american these days means there are a lot of 'mutes' - regardless of races or genetics or national or country origin ... or not.

do you think that is true?

I mean - i know there is a lot of issues with the civil rights movement - but at some point i think most people were hoping that civil rights would be bettered for all - not just one race - but all civil rights for all people.

This has not happened.

The consequences are the same for blacks then as for any other race - the blacks suffer the same consequences of loss of civil rights - i think that is what most want to be understood - that it isn't just about blacks anymore - it is about everyone.

I think most wish things would change for the better for all people - instead of continually made worse by brain washed ignorance and puppet masters and the greedy elite who gladly watch in amusement at the chaos and despair they cause in the systems 'everyone else' must be wrung through - until it is they who are wrung - then they act like they didn't know the problems were there and that they are the problem (in many cases) - or something like that - which only tends to make things worse - maybe not - only time will tell perhaps.; July 23, 2013 at 7:12 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVPCTlcPPcQ

Then ask yourself why al, who you say, "takes the fight for justice directly to the perpetrators of injustice", does not confront the issue that the people who most commonly kill black people are not white men or hispanic men but black men.; July 23, 2013 at 7:23 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

http://collectiveunderground.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/was-she-playing-privileged-white-flaunt/

http://nationalblackfootsoldiernetwork.blogspot.com/2011/11/eve-carson-reparations-protest.html

After Eve Carson was brutally and wantonly murdered by two black criminals, did white people protest and claim Black people were targeting them? No. The only racist thing about the Eve Carson murder were blacks saying Eve Carson deserved to die because she was a well off white female.

And you say black on white racism does not exist.

What kind of racist la la land do you live in/; July 23, 2013 at 9:10 AM
Anonymous said...: To your point, Poster, I don't recall the president saying that the white woman OJ murdered would have looked just like him. Nor do I recall white people roaming the streets of major cities, across the country, banding together to commit acts of violence in protest against the verdict in the OJ case. What I do recall is black people jumping up and down gleefully, admitting straight up that they knew he murdered two people and got away with it.....and they were happy about it. When Carson was murdered by two black scumbags, I don't recall the president saying that he was so sorry for the carson family.
Damn right there is racism in this country.....and damn right, it exists on all sides, among all races. You want to see what homphobia looks like???? Go to a black church sometime and listen to them rant about "gays, who (they) believe are all, apparently, rich white people". Want to find an example of a racist? How about Trayvon Martin...."creepy assed cracka"......his words to describe Zimmerman. Want to find an example of an anti-semetic jerk? How about Farrakhan? His comment about Zimmerman....."Well, that jew boy got away with it".
And, right here on the ridiculous site......we have our very own Victoria Peterson, Durham's pride and joy, the bigoted woman who resists have city health benefits for gay/domestic partners because , and I QUOTE HER, "they have diseases".; July 23, 2013 at 11:37 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

A comment from al's facebook page:

"Leonard Johnson Al, you are a race baiter, and you DON'T represent me. Since 1976, 94% of black homicides are by black people, but you would rather tell the ignorant and uninformed what they want to hear, and profit from the wrath and division you promote. You lack integrity."; July 23, 2013 at 12:02 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 9:10 said: And you say black on white racism does not exist.........
http://callingoutbigotry.tumblr.com/post/51288105158/why-reverse-racism-doesnt-exist; July 23, 2013 at 1:37 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 5:43 said: "That is only an admission that you are a blind hypocritical"......... A blind what???; July 23, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "Anonymous @ 9:10 said: And you say black on white racism does not exist.........
http://callingoutbigotry.tumblr.com/post/51288105158/why-reverse-racism-doesnt-exist"

Note how the author of this "article" has to actually change the definition of racism to prove his point?

Shit like this is why I consider you a troll, kenhyderal.; July 23, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Exactly, Lance. The pseudo academic types claim racism doesn't exist among blacks because they define "racism" as only either in whites who have control of institutional power or whites with power to oppress outside institutional settings. How convenient......just change the definition of the word and bingo.....no racism among blacks. No black racists, my Ass; July 23, 2013 at 2:56 PM
kenhyderal said...: Lance said: "Shit like this is why I consider you a troll, kenhyderal"...... That's OK Lance I know anything you disagree with you consider to be "shit" and anybody who does not buy your world view you consider a troll. Here's a more scholarly article. http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-01.htm; July 23, 2013 at 3:19 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 5:43 said: "That is only an admission that you are a blind hypocritical"......... A blind what???"

Read the succeeding comment.; July 23, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 9:10 said: And you say black on white racism does not exist.........
http://callingoutbigotry.tumblr.com/post/51288105158/why-reverse-racism-doesnt-exist"

Said post does not explain why black posters were saying Eve Carson deserved to die. Nor does it explain why al the race baiter fomented the Crown Heights riots.

Feeble answer, KENNY.; July 23, 2013 at 3:25 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Lance said: "Shit like this is why I consider you a troll, kenhyderal"...... That's OK Lance I know anything you disagree with you consider to be "shit" and anybody who does not buy your world view you consider a troll. Here's a more scholarly article. http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-background-02-01.htm"

Said article neither proves nor disprove4s black on white racism. The existence of al the race baiter proves it does.; July 23, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey, ken edwards, why did Farrakhan say, "well, the jew boy got away with it"? (meaning Zimmerman). Why are blacks painting swastikas on Jewish owned businesses in Florida? Why are blacks referring to Zimmerman and his family as "spikes"? (that is an ugly black mixing of the words spic and kike, in case you don't know.....). Why are black teenagers in Philadelphia spitting on Hispanic women who are trying to go to work in mexican restaurants in town? Racism doesn't exist.in blacks....? you are an idiot; July 23, 2013 at 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...: isn't it more about whether you are 'trolled' than whether you are perceived as a 'troll'???

i don't know

i mean if you are really going to talk about racism wouldn't you have to talk about how people can actually be caused to be upset by certain things - and how they either think the person is doing it on purpose because of some perceived difference or bias or hostile event against them personally - or they allow the other person to control their actions through fear or whatever - which is a natural response of course - and not entirely problematic unless it's a cop or stand your ground type event when the other person isn't even armed and has no bad or illigal intent or motivation - and fear is the main driving factor in control on both sides.

i mean - i just read where cops entered a home for a domestic dispute call and shot the dog because the dog was doing what dogs do when strangers enter their house (with guns)

how is the dog supposed to know it is a cop? those cops should have WAY MORE SELF CONTROL than that - i mean - it is just a friggin dog

and - yet - that is what the procedure calls for say the cops in question - kill when you are afraid ... seriously???

yup ... weza got some problems here alrite; July 23, 2013 at 7:52 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 3:46 said: "Racism doesn't exist.in blacks....? you are an idiot" .......(adopting a tactic à la Guiowin) My heart aches for the poor American majority subjected to cruel and humiliating discrimination at the hands of the oppressive Black minority. Maybe that great civil rights leader Bill O'Reilly will, someday, lead them "out of the quicksand of racial injustice"; July 23, 2013 at 9:35 PM
Anonymous said...: i say you should actually experience what many see as business as usual in durham (for instance) - until then - i agree - you know not of what you speak - as reality is today

but do blacks get profiled?

yes - so does everyone else

that is the way the world is

especially in USA today

the problem is fear
and driven anger
fear-mongering
war-mongering
race-baiting
games
that
are
continually
being played out in the world today
esp. in USA
because ...
that is the game
the war game
the fear game
and the racist game
and ...
it is real; July 23, 2013 at 9:54 PM
Anonymous said...: ok

check this out and discuss:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheRealNews/videos?view=0
The Real News Network

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3iiU3svcac

920 'Moral Monday' Arrests Made, NC Movement Vows to Push Back o

Published on Jul 23, 2013

Rev. Curtis Gatewood: Senate bill would make it harder for college students, low income households to vote, as GOP-controlled legislature aims to revive Jim Crow practices; July 24, 2013 at 2:03 AM
Anonymous said...: Has mistrail recluse returned?????? wheeeee!!!; July 24, 2013 at 4:16 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"My heart aches for the poor American majority subjected to cruel and humiliating discrimination at the hands of the oppressive Black minority. Maybe that great civil rights leader Bill O'Reilly will, someday, lead them 'out of the quicksand of racial injustice'"

You again show you are a blind, hypocritical blatant unrepentant racist.

These are facts, sad and unfortunate, but nevertheless facts. Black people commit a disproportional number of violent crimes. Black people are disproportionately the victims of violent crime. However, should a black man be murdered, the most likely killer is another black man(as I said earlier, if Mr. Obama had been gunned down 35 years ago, most likely another black man would have done it). Should a black woman be raped, most likely her assailant would be another black man. Further, in inter racial violent crimes, the most likely scenario is a black perpetrator and a white victim. If black people are profiled, they have profiled themselves.

So called leaders like al the race baiter do not address these facts. But if something happens like Tawana Brawley, Crystal Mangum or Trayvon Martin happens, said so called leaders use them as excuses to stir up black animosity against white people. That is black on white racism, no matter how many academics say it does not exist.; July 24, 2013 at 4:23 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Do you think Lawrence Lovette and Demario Atwater were unfairly profiled when they were picked up on surveillance cameras driving Eve Carson's SUV and using her ATM card?

I believe SIDNEY HARR thinks so.

I believe that al the race baiter also thinks so.; July 24, 2013 at 4:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Lovette and Atwater are scum. It's really a waste of oxygen that these two animals are breathing today. Had they gotten what they deserve and been sentenced to die, I would happily volunteer to push the plunger and I would sing "Going to Carolina" for Eve while they gagged and died; July 24, 2013 at 6:56 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Here is an issue for you.

Crime statistics are available on the internet. I say again, while black people may be disproportionately hit by violent crime, the perpetrators of violent crimes, including murder and rape, are usually black, not white or hispanic. When an interracial violent crime occurs, including murder and rape, the most commons situation, by far, is black perpetrator, white victim. When the perpetrators are black and the victims are white, e.g. Eve Carson, Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, there is no outcry. When non crimes happen, e.g., the alleged rape of Crystal Mangum, the alleged rape of Tawana Brawley, there is a loud outcry, stirred uplargely by race baiters like al and jesse, that white people are victimizing black people.

Do you honestly believe that is not black on white racism, especially when race baiters al and jesse never speak up about actual black on white crime?; July 24, 2013 at 7:59 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Why don't you stop trying to C your racist A and give us your take on black on white racism.; July 24, 2013 at 8:01 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: If you want to discuss self-defense, then that is precisely what Shan Carter did when he shot drug dealer Tyrone Baker! He did not stalk Baker, rather it was common knowledge in the community that Baker was going to terminate those individuals responsible for stealing $40,000 from his apartment. Baker made the threat repeatedly, and even kidnapped one of the burglars in order to get the identity of the other two (which included Carter).

Yet, when threateningly approached by Baker with his gun hand concealed under a heavy folded coat... and Shan backs up before pulling his gun and shooting him - the prosecutors decide to charge Carter with first degree murder, and he is convicted and sentenced to death. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The case for self defense in Carter's case far exceeds that for Zimmerman, which is dubious at best.; July 24, 2013 at 12:32 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"The case for self defense in Carter's case far exceeds that for Zimmerman, which is dubious at best."

Boy are you divorced from reality.; July 24, 2013 at 2:33 PM
Anonymous said...: discussion:

idea 1:

form a unified naa....

like:

national association for advancedment of:

a - for americans

yeah

naaa

nah

how bout

naa ... of c and nc p

for colored and noncolored people
(cuz they just might be your neighbor as the world becomes more global and rights become more equal)

or

...

why do american colored people call themselves african americans??? are they really and truly all from africa - how can that be - is that to distinquish between them and who else???

that is like saying africa is my main country but i live in us isn't it?

you have the american indians - but that just indicates that they were here before america was formed as nation

so ... what is up with african american no other race is termed another country with the american name after it are they?; July 25, 2013 at 4:20 AM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; August 5, 2013 at 8:56 PM

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