justice4nifong: Wheel of conspiracy in the conviction of Crystal Mangum

Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Wheel of conspiracy in the conviction of Crystal Mangum

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kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 1, 2014 at 9:15 PM
kenhyderal said...: No it's Liestoppers that has fanned and it's Cohan that has delivered a strike-out.; May 1, 2014 at 9:16 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"No it's Liestoppers that has fanned and it's Cohan that has delivered a strike-out."

No, Cohan has delivered only several innings of gross errors.; May 2, 2014 at 2:49 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

You say that Cohan has been pitching nothing but strikeouts. What do you define as a strikeout?

Cohan quotes corrupt DA NIFONG as saying that AG Cooper sandbagged his investigators by declaring the Lacrosse players innocent.

James Coman, one of Mr. Cooper's chief investigators is on record for saying that he and Mary Winstead, Mr. Cooper's other chief investigator, insisted that Mr. Cooper declare the Lacrosse players innocent.

You seem to define a rather gross spectacular error handling a routine fly ball as a strikeout. You know twice as much as baseball as you do about the Lacrosse case. Twice nothing is still nothing, which is probably an overestimate of your IQ.; May 2, 2014 at 3:39 AM
Anonymous said...: James Coman, one of Mr. Cooper's chief investigators is on record for saying that he and Mary Winstead, Mr. Cooper's other chief investigator, insisted that Mr. Cooper declare the Lacrosse players innocent.

Ah, but remember, anyone who disagrees, publicly, with Kenny/Sid are LYING under pressure from Duke and the powers that be. EVERYONE knows that Sid/Kenny are right, they just don't have their courage to stand up and say so.

This includes the AG investigators, every lawyer Crystal has had, Dr. Nichols, Dr. Roberts, the police officers, the jurors, EVERYONE. Duke really is that all powerful!; May 2, 2014 at 4:52 AM
Walt said...: Anon at 4:52 is right, this conspiracy knows no boundaries. Of course if you have to resort to conspiracy theories, you are a nut.

Walt-in-Durham; May 2, 2014 at 5:58 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Here is a comparison you have probably never made.

Christ was brought befor Pilate. Pilate could find no crime. But he succumbed to crowd pressure to execute Christ, in a particularly painful way.

DA NIFONG had no evidence that any member of the Lacrosse team had committed rape. He had no pressure from any mob to condemn the team. But he condemned them and stirred up the mob into a guilt presuming frenzy. He wanted he mob to like him and elect him DA.

Mikey really comes off poorly compared to Pilate.; May 2, 2014 at 7:26 AM
kenhyderal said...: That comparison is grotesque.; May 2, 2014 at 8:05 AM
guiowen said...: Why is it grotesque?; May 2, 2014 at 8:50 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"That comparison is grotesque."

If you mean Nivong vs. Pilate, it was intended to be. DA NIFONG's persecution of the innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players was grotesque. Grotesque is as grotesque does.

It was also accurate.; May 2, 2014 at 9:23 AM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said : "Why is it grotesque"........ Comparing D/C/R to JC is obscene; May 2, 2014 at 9:41 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Obscene is three innocent men falsely accused of a crime which never existed and threatened with a felony conviction.

More obscene is insisting they or someone else is guilt of the non existent crime on the word of a know-nothing who thinks he has an imaginary Lacrosse player friend who witnessed the non existent crime.

Comparing three innocent men persecuted for a crime they did not commit to Jesus Christ is not obscene. Jesus Christ Himself called those persecuted for Justice' sake blessed.

Those persecuted for Justice' sake include neither DA NIFONG nor Crystal Mangum. You know as much about justice as you do about baseball and the Lacrosse case.

Three times nothing is still nothing.; May 2, 2014 at 10:04 AM
Anonymous said...: What is also obscene is a prosecutor who would withhold evidence, lie to a court and make outrageously false and highy inflammatory statements in the hope of wrongfully convicting three innocent men of a crime he knew did not happen.

Anyone who supports Mike Nifong forfeits their right to complain about injustice and abuses in the criminal justice system. Mike Nifong is the poster child for injustice and abuse. His name is a synonymous with prosecutorial misconduct.; May 2, 2014 at 10:41 AM
guiowen said...: Kenny,
No. You are comparing the three men to Christ. The poster had compared Nifong to Pontius Pilate. Even you should be able to see that.; May 2, 2014 at 11:16 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

Here is a comparison you have probably never made.

Christ was brought befor Pilate. Pilate could find no crime. But he succumbed to crowd pressure to execute Christ, in a particularly painful way.

DA NIFONG had no evidence that any member of the Lacrosse team had committed rape. He had no pressure from any mob to condemn the team. But he condemned them and stirred up the mob into a guilt presuming frenzy. He wanted he mob to like him and elect him DA.

Mikey really comes off poorly compared to Pilate.

Here's a comparison that is not far off, although the gender is different... Crystal Mangum being persecuted by Pontius Pilate (the State of North Carolina), and then crucified. Meier's role would be that of the turncoat disciple... I think it was Peter, who had forsaken the Man from Nazareth before the rooster crowed three times.

Mangum's salvation will come from me and members of the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong who will secure her release... and soon!; May 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM
guiowen said...: Sidney,
I think you have the story wrong. Peter lacked courage but was not a traitor.; May 2, 2014 at 2:04 PM
guiowen said...: Note also that the story does not say Peter denied Christ before the cock crowed three time; rather, that he denied Christ three times before the cock crowed once (or twice, depending on the gospel).; May 2, 2014 at 2:13 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

How, exactly, do you plan to secure Mangum's release? What other committee memebers are involved in your efforts?; May 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

You got it wrong. Crystal was never persecuted by the State of North Carolina. She was prosecuted for crimes she had committed. Your proclamation that she is innocent of the crimes which she had committed has no legal or moral weight. What you call your working for her salvation is your euphemism for your racist belief that she should get a pass for her crimes because she is black.; May 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM
A Lawyer said...: Mangum's salvation will come from me and members of the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong who will secure her release... and soon!

Just like you predicted that Mangum would never be brought to trial on the murder charge? And just like you predicted that, if she went to trial she would be acquitted even if she had a turncoat lawyer? And just like you predicted that the defense expert would never sign a written report agreeing that Mangum stabbing Mr. Daye was the cause of his death?

Let me know when one of your predictions turns out to be accurate.; May 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: "No. You are comparing the three men to Christ. The poster had compared Nifong to Pontius Pilate. Even you should be able to see that.... OK, so in this analogy if Nifong is compared to Pilate who is being compared to Jesus?; May 2, 2014 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAK:

"OK, so in this analogy if Nifong is compared to Pilate who is being compared to Jesus?"

The ONLY comparison was Mike Nifong coming off badly when compared to Pilate. If you can't see that, then zero is an overestimation of your IQ.

In aany event, there is a valid comparison between Jesus Christ and the Lacrosse defendants. Christ was innocent. So were the Lacrosse defendants.

Like SIDNEY's proclamations of Crystal's innocence, your proclamations of someone's guilt in the Duke rape hoax have no legal pr moral value, AND NO BASIS IN FACT.; May 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM
guiowen said...: For God's sake, Kenny, it's not an analogy. It's a comparison!
If I say Feller was a faster pitcher than Kershaw, we're saying nothing about the batters they face!; May 2, 2014 at 4:44 PM
Anonymous said...: What's crazy - even Kenny admits the accused were innocent, he claims there was a mystery rapist. Does he not think it was wrong to put non-guilty through this? I know he says they should have to, but in our system they don't have to, and even he admits the 3 accused didn't rape.; May 2, 2014 at 4:47 PM
kenhyderal said...: Finnerty and Seligmann were mistakenly and inadvertently identified, by Crystal, in a faulty, flawed photo line-up as persons at the party who had sexually assaulted her; May 2, 2014 at 8:19 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: For God's sake, Kenny, it's not an analogy. It's a comparison"..........An analogy is a comparison between things which are basically not alike but which share some kind of striking similarity" Professor James Esch MA Notearama; May 2, 2014 at 8:33 PM
guiowen said...: Aren't you cute, Kenny?
The comparison is between Nifong and Pontius Pilate, two corrupt prosecutors. They are basically alike so it's not an analogy!
I realize, since you're a master debater, that you believe things have to be the way you say they are, but in fact life is not so. In any case, just because we're comparing the two corrupt prosecutors, it does not follow that we are comparing their victims.
To repeat myself, just because I say Feller threw faster than Kershaw, it does not follow that I'm comparing Ted Williams to some present-day hitter.; May 2, 2014 at 9:02 PM
Anonymous said...: So, Kenny, if they were mistakenly identified, you'd admit they were "innocent" and Roy Cooper was right to say so, correct?; May 2, 2014 at 9:24 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: "it does not follow that we are comparing their victims".....That was my very question which you have now answered because any comparison of the sinless Jesus to the Duke Lacrosse three would be obscene; May 2, 2014 at 9:31 PM
guiowen said...: Oh, Kenny, you have to get the last word, don't you? What a master debater! Something that no one has done would be obscene, so this gives you grounds for complaining.; May 2, 2014 at 9:35 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: So, Kenny, if they were mistakenly identified, you'd admit they were "innocent" and Roy Cooper was right to say so, correct"... In the case of Finnerty and Seligmann, perhaps. I note, though, that Author and Investigative Journalist Cohan is casting some doubt on Seligmann's alibi suggesting it could have been contrived and carefully fabricated.; May 2, 2014 at 9:38 PM
guiowen said...: Tell us about the careful fabrication, Kenny.; May 2, 2014 at 9:40 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said : so this gives you grounds for complaining"..... No complaint. Just a question to that Anonymous poster saying; surely you were not making that comparison.; May 2, 2014 at 9:43 PM
kenhyderal said...: The suspicion about a fabricated alibi is covered in Cohan's book and comes from a belief expressed to him by Former DA Nifong; May 2, 2014 at 9:48 PM
guiowen said...: The poster's conclusion was "Mikey really comes off poorly compared to Pilate". That's all. You seem to be looking for reasons to whine and complain all the time.; May 2, 2014 at 9:51 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal siad: "The suspicion about a fabricated alibi is covered in Cohan's book and comes from a belief expressed to him by Former DA Nifong."
We already know Nifong, the corrupt prosecutor, would like to make us all think so.
But please explain to us what about this alibi was fabricated. We're all too lazy to read that idiotic book, and too cheap to buy it, even discounted from the original $35 to the current $21.; May 2, 2014 at 9:56 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Finnerty and Seligmann were mistakenly and inadvertently identified, by Crystal, in a faulty, flawed photo line-up as persons at the party who had sexually assaulted her".

So was David Evans. The evidence corrupt DA NIFONG gathered in the case(when he started gathering evidence rather than declaring members of the Lacrosse team guilty) proved no sexual assault had taken place.

Please explain why Kim Roberts, in her post party 911 call, did not say that a rape had occurred but that people at the Lacrosse house had called her and her "girlfriend" n---er. Then she drove the alleged victim to a grocery store and asked a security guard to forcibly remove the alleged victim from her car.; May 3, 2014 at 4:04 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

You forget that corrupt DA NIFONG, whom you so admire, ordered the phony excuse for the lineup because he wanted to prosecute Lacrosse players and did not want the public to know that the only DNA found on Crystal post party did not belong to anyone he wanted to prosecute.; May 3, 2014 at 4:06 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"That was my very question which you have now answered because any comparison of the sinless Jesus to the Duke Lacrosse three would be obscene".

Your statement is obscene considering the Lacrosse players were falsely accused of rape by a woman who already had a record as a bad actor and a false accuser.; May 3, 2014 at 4:08 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"I note, though, that Author and Investigative Journalist Cohan is casting some doubt on Seligmann's alibi suggesting it could have been contrived and carefully fabricated."

You note only that someone as uninformed and as prejudiced as you agrees with your blatant unrepentant racism.; May 3, 2014 at 4:09 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"The suspicion about a fabricated alibi is covered in Cohan's book and comes from a belief expressed to him by Former DA Nifong".

You mean a belief expressed by disbarred, corrupt, criminal former DA NIFONG who suffered those consequences because he tried to convict three obviously innocent men of a crime which never happened; May 3, 2014 at 4:12 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

You are as good at making spectacular errors catching a routine fly ball as your new idol Cohan. Like Cohan, you choose to be uninformed and ignorant because you pick and choose your sources to believe. And you pick some really bizarre ones.; May 3, 2014 at 4:14 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"I note, though, that Author and Investigative Journalist Cohan is casting some doubt on Seligmann's alibi suggesting it could have been contrived and carefully fabricated."

That is like Kilgo claiming he has a friend on the Lacrosse team who witnessed a rape. In turn, I say again, that is like a blind man who is also deaf saying I saw and heard everything that happened.

Boy are you stupid and deluded.; May 3, 2014 at 4:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Has anyone seen Kilgo?; May 3, 2014 at 4:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 3, 2014 at 4:58 AM:

"Has anyone seen Kilgo?"

KENHYDERAL has seen neither Kilgo nor Kilgo's imaginary Lacrosse player friend. However, KENHYDERAL believes Kilgo is credible because what he says agrees with what Crystal says-Crystal who was a convicted criminal and false accuser before she ever achieved infamous notoriety by becoming the false accuser in the Duke rape hoax.; May 3, 2014 at 6:45 AM
Anonymous said...: URGENT MESSAGE FOR DOCTOR HARR:

Doctor Harr,

kenhyderal has provided information on your blog confirming that Kilgo knows a witness at the lacrosse party who could verify Crystal's claims. This information is crucial to your efforts to find justice for Crystal. You must use your next sharlog to review kenhyderal's information regarding Kilgo and to begin the process of locating Kilgo.; May 3, 2014 at 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

As of now, William Cohan has received a total of FIFTY 1 star reviews. That is two and one half as many times as all the 1 star reviews received by all the other books written about the Duke Lacrosse case, and that includes Crystal's The Last Dance for Grace. All of those other books have been around for years. Cohan's book has been around for less than a month.

You may attribute it to anti Nifong sentiment whipped up by the carpetbagger main stream media. However, the main stream media, e.g. the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, have published nothing but positive reviews for Cohan's book. The negative reviews on Amazon come from readers, ordinary people.

How do you explain that-edi mind tricks which, like your carpetbagger jihad, do not exist.; May 3, 2014 at 9:04 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

In addition to the FIFTY 1 star reviews on Amazon, Cohan's book has racked up 4 1 star reviews on Barnes and Noble and ZERO positive reviews.; May 3, 2014 at 9:09 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"I note, though, that Author and Investigative Journalist Cohan is casting some doubt on Seligmann's alibi suggesting it could have been contrived and carefully fabricated."

"Author and Investigative Journalist"!!!

Boy are you seriously deluded. You know about serious investigative journalism as you do about baseball, justice, and the Lacrosse case.

Four times nothing is nothing.; May 3, 2014 at 9:12 AM
Anonymous said...: Correction of Typo:

SIDNEY HARR:

As of now, William Cohan has received a total of FIFTY 1 star reviews. That is two and one half as many times as all the 1 star reviews received by all the other books written about the Duke Lacrosse case, and that includes Crystal's The Last Dance for Grace. All of those other books have been around for years. Cohan's book has been around for less than a month.

You may attribute it to anti Nifong sentiment whipped up by the carpetbagger main stream media. However, the main stream media, e.g. the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, have published nothing but positive reviews for Cohan's book. The negative reviews on Amazon come from readers, ordinary people.

How do you explain that-Jedi mind tricks which, like your carpetbagger jihad, do not exist.; May 3, 2014 at 9:14 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "The negative reviews on Amazon come from readers, ordinary people"....... No they don't. They come from an organized campaign by the Duke Lacrosse Team apologists on the Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers Blog. The same bunch who have, every single day for years now, been pushing the same meta-narrative that these good little boys have been horribly abused by the sorceress Crystal Mangum and the evil villain Michael Nifong. Any pin-prick criticisms of those "angelic lads" prompts their swift and hysterical over-reaction. So a comprehensive review of the case by an author like Cohan makes them absolutely apoplectic; May 3, 2014 at 9:51 AM
Anonymous said...: When did Cohan conduct a "comprehensive review of the case"?

It is not contained in his book.; May 3, 2014 at 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

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Anonymous said: "The negative reviews on Amazon come from readers, ordinary people"....... No they don't. They come from an organized campaign by the Duke Lacrosse Team apologists on the Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers Blog. The same bunch who have, every single day for years now, been pushing the same meta-narrative that these good little boys have been horribly abused by the sorceress Crystal Mangum and the evil villain Michael Nifong. Any pin-prick criticisms of those "angelic lads" prompts their swift and hysterical over-reaction. So a comprehensive review of the case by an author like Cohan makes them absolutely apoplectic".

Again you show how "apoplectic"your excuse for an attempt at thinking is. You know as much about thinking as you do about baseball, justice, the Lacrosse case and serious investigative journalism. So now its five times nothing.

The truth about the phoney rape case is out there. people know the truth, and it is not what you want it to be. Crystal on March 13, 2006, was a convicted criminal with a history of making false rape allegations who falsely accused members of the Duke Lacrosse team of raping her.

Cohan, like you, thinks the truth is not what it is. Like you he is spectacularly wrong. So, like you, people who do know the truth do not take him seriously.

You have yhus far dodged what I asked you about Kim Roberts. Why did she, after the Lacrosse party, call 911 not to report a rape but to claim she and her "girlfriend" had been called "n---er". Then she drove to a grocery store and asked a security guard to forcibly remove Crystal from a car.

You recently published a quote, copied from The Johnsville News, Kim Roberts saying she believed something bad had happened to Crystal.

Don't you think it was cruel behavior on her part to ask someone to forcibly remove Crystal from her car?; May 3, 2014 at 10:17 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:
KENHYDERAL:

I hope this really offends you.

What do you believe?

Something
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Fans of the Grateful Dead are called Dead Heads. Fans of Something Happened In There are SHITheads.; May 3, 2014 at 10:30 AM
kenhyderal said...: Kim Roberts behaviour was inexplicable. It's hard to know what she was thinking. Crystal was still impaired, by the noxious substance she had been, for notorious purposes, covertly administered. She needs to be interrogated. It's too bad Cohan could not locate her.; May 3, 2014 at 10:32 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Kim Roberts behaviour was inexplicable. It's hard to know what she was thinking. Crystal was still impaired, by the noxious substance she had been, for notorious purposes, covertly administered. She needs to be interrogated. It's too bad Cohan could not locate her."

You are dodging, yet again.

Crystal was impaired from the combination of Flexeril and 44 ounces of beer she had administered herself. Just like SHIThead Cohan can not negate the truth by promulgating unsubstantiated claims, neither can you.

Kim was interrogated. First she told people that Crystal's claim was a crock. Then corrupt DA NIFONG threatened her with a penalty over a probation violation and she changed her story. It's called witness intimidation, the same think corrupt DA NIFONG and his SHITheads tried to do to Moez Elmostafa.

What one would expect from a true SHIThead.; May 3, 2014 at 11:39 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Something else for you to fume about.

Your posts suggest that the unindentfied non Lax DNA came from rapists.

You have expressed a lot of heartburn because the police never traced who the DNA matched.

Corrupt DA NIFONG concealed the knowledge of the unidentified DNA secret. While aware of the unidentified DNA and keeping the knowledge secret he conducted the lineup procedure, which you have criticized, and indicted three men whose DNA did not match the DNA found on Crystal.

How did that serve the interests of justice, DA NIFONG showing Crystal pictures of men he knew were not the perps, having Gottlieb suggest to her that the perps were among them?; May 3, 2014 at 12:28 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Here's another one for you.

How were DA NIFONG's actions in the lineup the fault of the appropriately named Liestoppers?; May 3, 2014 at 12:30 PM
guiowen said...: Kenny,
Since you wouldn't answer my question ab out the Seligmann alibi, let me answer it for you.
The same man who said it was suspicious that the lax players would hire attorneys (presumably only criminals do so) now says that a very good alibi is in itself suspicious. (Only criminals have good alibis.) He's been sitting in his pajamas for seven years wondering how anyone could get good lawyers. Don't they realize it isn't fair to hire some attorneys who can dance circles around him? Let's go back to the good old days when people just accepted whatever the DA said!; May 3, 2014 at 1:48 PM
Anonymous said...: A sarcastic man is a bitter man.; May 3, 2014 at 2:01 PM
Anonymous said...: A sarcastic man is a bitter man.; May 3, 2014 at 2:01 PM
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kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: " How did that serve the interests of justice, DA NIFONG showing Crystal pictures of men he knew were not the perps, having Gottlieb suggest to her that the perps were among them"'.............. DA Nifong did not know and still does not know whether some of those Players who were present at the Party perpetrated, or assisted in, a sexual assault. He does strongly suspect that some of them did so and he has apparently now convinced Cohan that "something criminal happened.; May 3, 2014 at 2:16 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: "Only criminals have good alibis"..... No, only criminals "construct" good alibis; May 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen said: "Only criminals have good alibis"..... No, only criminals "construct" good alibis"

So de facto you are accusing Reade Seligman and Colin Finnerty of constructing good alibis.

Another manifestation of what a pathetic SHIThead you are.; May 3, 2014 at 2:25 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: " How did that serve the interests of justice, DA NIFONG showing Crystal pictures of men he knew were not the perps, having Gottlieb suggest to her that the perps were among them"'.............. DA Nifong did not know and still does not know whether some of those Players who were present at the Party perpetrated, or assisted in, a sexual assault."

BULLSHIT!!!!

DA NIFONG knew he had no evidence that either 1) no forensic evidence that a rape had occurred nor2) no physical evidence that a rape had occurred. Ergo he knew that no Lacrosse player had committed the alleged crime. But he was bound and determined to convict them in order to get the black electorate to like him and elect him DA.

"He does strongly suspect that some of them did so and he has apparently now convinced Cohan that 'something criminal happened'"

BULLSHIT!!!! again.

DA NIFONG did not convince Cohan that Something Happened In There. Cohan had already convinced himself.

You, corrupt DA NIFONG and Cohan, what a trio of SHITheads.; May 3, 2014 at 2:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Reposting for clarification:

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: " How did that serve the interests of justice, DA NIFONG showing Crystal pictures of men he knew were not the perps, having Gottlieb suggest to her that the perps were among them"'.............. DA Nifong did not know and still does not know whether some of those Players who were present at the Party perpetrated, or assisted in, a sexual assault."

BULLSHIT!!!!

DA NIFONG knew he had no 1) no forensic evidence that a rape had occurred nor 2) no physical evidence that a rape had occurred. Ergo he knew that no Lacrosse player had committed the alleged crime. But he was bound and determined to convict them in order to get the black electorate to like him and elect him DA.

"He does strongly suspect that some of them did so and he has apparently now convinced Cohan that 'something criminal happened'"

BULLSHIT!!!! again.

DA NIFONG did not convince Cohan that Something Happened In There. Cohan had already convinced himself.

You, corrupt DA NIFONG and Cohan, what a trio of SHITheads.; May 3, 2014 at 2:34 PM
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kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 3, 2014 at 3:17 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "So de facto you are accusing Reade Seligman and Colin Finnerty of constructing good alibis"......... No, I am only saying that Former DA Nifong suspects Seligmann's alibi was contrived. He explained the reason for that belief to Cohan; May 3, 2014 at 3:19 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "So de facto you are accusing Reade Seligman and Colin Finnerty of constructing good alibis"......... No,"

Yes

"I am only saying that Former DA Nifong suspects Seligmann's alibi was contrived."

Which is corrupt DA NIFONG's attempt to cover his SHIThead ass about dodging his obligation as a prosecutor to look at a defendant's exculpatory evidence. How could he know the alibi was contrived if he never heard it.

"He explained the reason for that belief to Cohan"

And his explanation was ridiculous. Which supports my contention that corrupt DA NIFONG did not convince Cohan of anything. Cohan had already convinced himself before he ever wrote his book.; May 3, 2014 at 4:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Ken:

I agree with your 2:16 PM comment in which you present an argument to support the allegation that Nifong acted unethically in his prosecution.; May 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM
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Anonymous said...: kennyhyderal,

Get your head out of your butt.; May 3, 2014 at 5:16 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "I agree with your 2:16 PM comment in which you present an argument to support the allegation that Nifong acted unethically in his prosecution"........My comment was not meant to allege that DA Nifong acted unethically. I believe he did not know who were the innocent and who were the guilty but he was convinced from preliminary evidence he heard that a crime had been perpetrated.; May 3, 2014 at 9:15 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"I believe he(Nifong) did not know who were the innocent and who were the guilty but he was convinced from preliminary evidence he heard that a crime had been perpetrated."

You show you know nothing about the Lacrosse case, other than your presumption of guilt. Corrupt DA NIFONG had NO, I say again, NO evidence that any crime had happened, that any member of the Lacrosse team or any attendee at the party ever touched Crystal. He then tried to convict members of the Lacrosse team of committing the non existent crime.

Your allegation that there were a score of party attendees who were not Lacrosse players, has no basis in fact. It's "basis(and that is using the term loosely)" is Kilgo's allegation that he has a friend on the Lacrosse team who told him he had witnessed a crime. You have no basis in fact to believe Kilgo is credible. Saying, why would Kilgo lie, is insignificant. You would have to show Kilgo told the truth. So far you haven't.; May 4, 2014 at 4:36 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Let's p--s you off again.

You believe it is significant that DA NIFONG convinced Cohan a crime had happened.

That is as significant as Adolf Hitler convincing Julius Streicher that the Jews were the cause of all of Germany's post WWI problems.; May 4, 2014 at 4:38 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

You treat it as fact that Crystal was administered a Date Rape drug. That has no basis in fact.

What is fact is that Crystal imbibed 44 ounces of alcohol after she took Flexeril. She admitted it.

The warning which comes with Flexeril is not to drink alcohol on top of taking Flexeril. The warning is absolute. Don't drink alcohol on top of taking Flexeril. The effects of mixing alcohol and Flexeril are like the description the Lacrosse captains gave of Crystal's behavior when she arrived at the party. You say that description is self serving. How could it be since the Lacrosse captains had no way of knowing that Crystal had mixed Flexeril and alcohol before the party.

You again show, with no basis in fact, you presume guilt. I say that is because a black woman accused Caucasian men of raping her, a black woman who, I say again, was already a convicted criminal, who had already falsely accused men of raping her. Which means you are a blatant unrepentant racist.; May 4, 2014 at 4:45 AM
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Anonymous said...: Kenny:

In your 9:15 PM comment you once again allege behavior of Nifong that is unethical.; May 4, 2014 at 5:35 AM
Anonymous said...: "Don't Stop"

If you wake up and don't want to smile,
If it takes just a little while,
Open your eyes and look at the day,
You'll see things in a different way.
Don't stop, thinking about tomorrow,
Don't stop, it'll soon be here,
It'll be, better than before,
Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone.
Why not think about times to come,
And not about the things that you've done,
If your life was bad to you,
Just think what tomorrow will do.
Don't stop, thinking about tomorrow,
Don't stop, it'll soon be here,
It'll be, better than before,
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If it takes just a little while,
I know you don't believe that it's true,
I never meant any harm to you.
Don't stop, thinking about tomorrow,
Don't stop, it'll soon be here,
It'll be, better than before,
Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone.
Don't you look back,
Don't you look back.; May 4, 2014 at 5:53 AM
kenhyderal said...: Crystal drank ONE 22 oz beer not 44 oz of alcohol. This was 2 hours before her arrival, completely sober, at the party. She was, under doctors advice, recommended to take a muscle relaxant prior to doing the gymnastics her dance performance called for. This was not unusual for her and it had never impaired her before.; May 4, 2014 at 8:51 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Crystal drank ONE 22 oz beer not 44 oz of alcohol. This was 2 hours before her arrival, completely sober, at the party. She was, under doctors advice, recommended to take a muscle relaxant prior to doing the gymnastics her dance performance called for. This was not unusual for her and it had never impaired her before."

You got it wrong in another unsuccessful attempt to portray fiction as fact. Crystal admitted to drinking two 22 ounce cans of beer. Other witnesses describe her as impaired. The impairment they described was what the warning on Flexeril describe as the effects of mixing Flexeril with alcohol. If you have only Crystal's testimony that she was never affected before from drinking beer on top of taking Flexeril, you have only a witness who has proven herself not on liestoppers but in the public record less than credible.; May 4, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Correction of Typo:

SIDNEY HARR:

As of now, William Cohan has received a total of FIFTY 1 star reviews. That is two and one half as many times as all the 1 star reviews received by all the other books written about the Duke Lacrosse case, and that includes Crystal's The Last Dance for Grace. All of those other books have been around for years. Cohan's book has been around for less than a month.

You may attribute it to anti Nifong sentiment whipped up by the carpetbagger main stream media. However, the main stream media, e.g. the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, have published nothing but positive reviews for Cohan's book. The negative reviews on Amazon come from readers, ordinary people.

How do you explain that-Jedi mind tricks which, like your carpetbagger jihad, do not exist.

Am I supposed to be impressed by the number of one star reviews of William Cohan's book? That is not something that would surprise me, but something I would expect from the haters.

I have not had chance to even open up the book as I've been working feverishly to try and get Mangum out of prison. However, from what I've seen, and the interviews I've heard with him, I am sure that it is a good read.; May 4, 2014 at 11:04 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

My latest sharlog is going to be more in-depth than originally planned, so it is going to take longer than previously planned to get it posted. But it will include new info and contain pages of the trial transcript.

Will try to post an interim posting of some sort over the next day or two.

As you were.; May 4, 2014 at 11:08 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Am I supposed to be impressed by the number of one star reviews of William Cohan's book? That is not something that would surprise me, but something I would expect from the haters."

What haters. Haters, like Jedi mind tricks and the Carpetbagger jihad do not exist. The people whom you characterize as haters ate people who know the truth about Crystal, NIFONG and the false allegations of rape, That you characterize them as haters shows how much you hate the truth

"I have not had chance to even open up the book as I've been working feverishly to try and get Mangum out of prison."

Which means that thanks to you Crystal will spend a lot more time in prison.

"However, from what I've seen, and the interviews I've heard with him, I am sure that it is a good read."

And you were sure Crystal would never be convicted. People who know the truth are not impressed by your self aggrandizment.

Incidentally, for your discomfort, Cohan, between Amazon and Barnes and Noble has FIFTY SIX 1 star reviews.; May 4, 2014 at 12:39 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

My latest sharlog is going to be more in-depth than originally planned, so it is going to take longer than previously planned to get it posted. But it will include new info and contain pages of the trial transcript.

Will try to post an interim posting of some sort over the next day or two."

SIDNEY HARR again desperately seeks attention.; May 4, 2014 at 12:40 PM
Anonymous said...: URGENT MESSAGE FOR DOCTOR HARR:

Doctor Harr,

kenhyderal has provided information on your blog confirming that Kilgo knows a witness at the lacrosse party who could verify Crystal's claims. This information is crucial to your efforts to find justice for Crystal. You must use your next sharlog to review kenhyderal's information regarding Kilgo and to begin the search for Kilgo.; May 4, 2014 at 1:08 PM
Anonymous said...: The total score for Price of Silence from three major book sellers, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and Books a Million is a total of 78 reviews, fourteen 5 star, five 4 star and one 3 star(all from Amazon) and a grand total of SEVENTY EIGHT 1 star, seventy one from Amazon, five from Barnes and Noble and two from Books a Million.

And SIDNEY is having considerable heartburn over seeing that the public does not believe his delusions. He calls the public haters, taking his cue from Cohan. He is really showing how intensely he hates the truth.; May 4, 2014 at 3:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Correction:

I meant to say Cohan's book has a grand total of FIFTY EIGHT 1 star reviews from Amazon, Barnes and Noble and Books a Million.

Public opinion is almost three to one in favor of the truth.; May 4, 2014 at 3:18 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: " Other witnesses describe her as impaired"..... Not upon her arrival. There is not a single independent witness on record saying she arrive in an intoxicated condition. Her sudden onset impairment occurred only after she was handed a drink while in the bathroom. On the other hand, statements by Roberts and Johnson say she arrived in a completely sober condition. These were the two individuals that had the most contact with Crystal.; May 4, 2014 at 3:29 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: " Public opinion is almost three to one in favor of the truth"............... That's not "public" opinion, that's Duke Lacrosse partisan opinion. They have organized themselves to plant negative reviews; calling in their blog for their minions to do so in order to create the impression that this book is not worth reading, fearing those who read it will start questioning the unjust outcome; May 4, 2014 at 3:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny:

She arrived at her driver's house between 9:30 and 10:00 and at the party shortly before midnight. If she finished the two 22 oz beers two hours earlier as you claim, she must have chugged them both as soon as she arrived at the driver's house.

You also claimed that Crystal was not impaired during her taxi episode, despite having a blood alcohol content that was almost double the legal limit.

I suppose that one must assume that you believe Crystal is an alcoholic. That is the explanation you advance when a person is not affected by alcohol.; May 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"'Other witnesses describe her as impaired'..... Not upon her arrival."

Yes on her arrival. The Lacrosse captains reported she was impaired when she entered the house.

"There is not a single independent witness on record saying she arrive in an intoxicated condition."

That is correct. There were at least two. The way they described her behavior, it was like the symptoms of taking alcohol on top of Flexeril.

Her sudden onset impairment occurred only after she was handed a drink while in the bathroom."

Her sudden onset occurred before she entered the house, after she drank 44 oz. of beer after taking flexeril.

"On the other hand, statements by Roberts and Johnson say she arrived in a completely sober condition. These were the two individuals that had the most contact with Crystal."

Roberts and Crystal arrived separately. Roberts' initial story was that the rape allegations were "a crock". Then DA NIFONG intimidated her.

You haven't explained why, when Roberts called 911, she did not report a rape, why instead of driving Crystal to a hospital or to a police station she drove her to a super market and tried to have someone forcibly remove her from her car. You have dodged it.; May 4, 2014 at 4:35 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: " Public opinion is almost three to one in favor of the truth"............... That's not "public" opinion, that's Duke Lacrosse partisan opinion. They have organized themselves to plant negative reviews; calling in their blog for their minions to do so in order to create the impression that this book is not worth reading, fearing those who read it will start questioning the unjust outcome".

As there is no organized partisan pro Lacrosse conspiracy, it IS public opinion.

Like your idol SIDNEY, you are extremely angry because people do not buy into your lies about the Duke rape case.

Why have you never proven Kilgo is credible. That you can not is hardly surprising, considering all your futile impotent attempts to portray Crystal the liar as credible.

Thank you for living down to my expectations.; May 4, 2014 at 4:38 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Then DA NIFONG intimidated her"........ Unfounded speculation by those who hate Former DA Nifong, the man who was daring to prosecute their darlings.; May 4, 2014 at 9:40 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Could you please stop whining?; May 5, 2014 at 1:20 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

" Unfounded speculation by those who hate Former DA Nifong,"

Wrong. Documented fact. Unfounded speculation is claiming there were unidentified party attendees who raped Crystal. Unfounded because Crystal lied about being raped, not the first time in her life she did so.

"the man who was daring to prosecute their darlings."

Wrong again. Corrupt DA NIFONG is the sociopathic narcissist who, thinking his own personal welfare trumped the law, the Constitution and legal ethics, persecuted three innocent men over a crime which never happened, a crime which you have never come close to proving had happened.; May 5, 2014 at 3:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Here is what I still don't get ... Kenny seems to admit that the Lacrosse players were NOT the rapists (he says there were some non-Lacrosse players there who did it). So, how does he justify prosecuting people for a crime that he himself admits they didn't commit?

I understand he claims the players knew more than they were saying, but in our system, you don't have to talk, and I can't believe that he is claiming that the State should prosecute people for crimes they KNOW they didn't commit in order to get them to talk.

Or am I missing something? He goes back and forth, but that seems to be the big issue to me - he acknowledges "mystery rapists" but still seems fine with prosecuting others for that rape.; May 5, 2014 at 5:24 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ May 2, 2014 at 9:38 PM said...

I note, though, that Author and Investigative Journalist Cohan is casting some doubt on Seligmann's alibi suggesting it could have been contrived and carefully fabricated.

All Cohan the hack did was provide Nifong with a forum to spout that slander, and repeat it several times.

Nifong never investigated Seligmann's alibi, actually refused to even look at it, because he was studiously avoiding any evidence that would belie the narrative he had committed to.

People that suggest that Seligmann's alibi was 'contrived' ignore the difficulty, bordering on impossibility, of 'concocting' an electronic alibi with 3rd-party photos and receipts.

Finnerty had an alibi of similar strength, but his attorney wisely chose not to reveal the details to Nifong to avoid even more prosecution efforts to change the timeline.

Nifong even went so far as to blame Finnerty's attorney for prosecution delays due to not revealing the alibi details. This was also part of the bogus Nifong complaints in re: "reciprocal discovery".; May 5, 2014 at 5:40 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ May 4, 2014 at 9:40 PM said...

Anonymous said: "Then DA NIFONG intimidated [Kim Roberts]"........

Unfounded speculation by those who hate Former DA Nifong...

What we do know is that Roberts received a sweetheart deal from Nifong on her felony embezzlement probation violation concurrent with her change of story.; May 5, 2014 at 5:47 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "he acknowledges "mystery rapists" but still seems fine with prosecuting others for that rape"......... DA Nifong changed the charges against the Players to sexual assault. The rapists were non-Player attendees. Crystal, unsurprisingly but without malice, had, mistakenly, by way of the flawed photo line-up, made errors in the identifications. She was wrongly told her rapists were among those pictured and she had to point them out Those partaking, but not raping, were guilty of sexual assault and kidnapping not to mentioned theft. Nifong's mistake was relying on the results of this totally flawed photo line-up. When the DNA results came out the witnesses all had lawyers and were remaining silent. By then, it was too late to conduct a proper and thorough investigation of the crime. At that point Nifong realized that the case, even for those non-DNA depositing crimes, would be difficult to prove.; May 5, 2014 at 8:33 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "What we do know is that Roberts received a sweetheart deal from Nifong on her felony embezzlement probation violation concurrent with her change of story" ...........There is no evidence that this was a quid quo pro. Roberts's "off the cuff": "that's a crock" comment was not made in any formal Police interrogation.; May 5, 2014 at 8:40 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"DA Nifong changed the charges against the Players to sexual assault."

After his office, in December 2006, finally got around to interviewing Crystal and she changed her story to say she could not recall being penetrated."

"The rapists were non-Player attendees."

There were no rapists. You have not come close to proving there were.

"Crystal, unsurprisingly but without malice, had, mistakenly, by way of the flawed photo line-up, made errors in the identifications. She was wrongly told her rapists were among those pictured and she had to point them out"

The lineup included only members of the Lacrosse team, was organized by DA Nifong, and Crystal was told her assailants' photos were among the photos she was being shown. There were no fillers. Corrupt DA NIFONG was trying to get Crystal to pick out Lacrosse players to charge, even though he knew there had been no rape. Funny how NIFONG, whom KENNY admires, did not try to pass off non Lacrosse players as mystery rapists but KENNY does.

"Those partaking, but not raping, were guilty of sexual assault and kidnapping not to mentioned theft."

As there had been no rape(and you have presented no evidence there was) are spectacularly wrong again. You must enjoy embarrassing yourself.

"Nifong's mistake was relying on the results of this totally flawed photo line-up."

So explain why he had this totally flawed lineup conducted. Why would he believe this "totally flawed photo line-up" would induce anyone to come forth after he had failed utterly, via the unethical tactic of threatening to prosecute anyone who did not come forth with incriminating evidence, to have someone come forth?

"When the DNA results came out the witnesses all had lawyers and were remaining silent."

The "witnesses" were witnesses to nothing. They were guaranteed by the Constitution legal representation. They were guaranteed by the Constitution the right not to talk to the authorities. Why should they have talked to the authorities after the forensic evidence cleared them? De facto, you are advocating they should have provided perjured testimony to corrupt DA NIFONG. That was what he was looking for.

"By then, it was too late to conduct a proper and thorough investigation of the crime. At that point Nifong realized that the case, even for those non-DNA depositing crimes, would be difficult to prove."

There was no evidence of a crime. Ergo, NIFONG had no probable cause to investigate. I say again, you must enjoy making yourself look stupid.; May 5, 2014 at 9:16 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "What we do know is that Roberts received a sweetheart deal from Nifong on her felony embezzlement probation violation concurrent with her change of story" ...........There is no evidence that this was a quid quo pro."

Yes there is.

Roberts's 'off the cuff': 'that's a crock" comment was not made in any formal Police interrogation."

So?

You are saying her remarks, which cast doubt on the occurrence of a crime should have been ignored because they were volunteered to someone other than police. Yet you supporting prosecution-no-make that persecution of innocent men when there was no evidence of a crime, just your attitude that Caucasian men should have been prosecuted because a black woman accused them, a black woman who was a convicted criminal and who had a history of making false rape allegations.

You continue to dodge explaining why Kim Roberts never reported that Crystal had been raped, why Kim Roberts drove her to a supermarket and tried to have her removed from her car rather than taking her to a police station or a hospital.

Incidentally, Crystal's allegation of a rape was not made in a formal police procedure. When asked at the Durham intake center were you raped, she replied yes. According to logic, then, that statement was meaningless and not cause to believe her.

Boy are you stupid.; May 5, 2014 at 9:23 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"DA Nifong changed the charges against the Players to sexual assault."

You have previously stated that DA NIFONG changed the charge to Sexual Assault after he found he had no DNA evidence to connect the suspects to the case.

In April of 2006, in spite of having no DNA evidence to link any member of the Lacrosse team to the alleged rape of Crystal Mangum, and in spite of knowing the only DNA found on Crystal did not come from any member of the Lacrosse team, DA NIFONG requested and got indictments from the Grand Jury of three members of the Lacrosse team for FIRST DEGREE RAPE. That is an easily locatable part of the public record.

I say again, you must surely enjoy making yourself look stupid.; May 5, 2014 at 9:43 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ May 5, 2014 at 8:40 AM said...

There is no evidence that this [Kim's sweetheart probation deal] was a quid quo pro.

Except the timing, after she had made 2 statements to DPD regarding Crusty's lack of veracity.

Pair that with the treatment of Elmo and you've got a pattern of witness intimidation.

Roberts's "off the cuff": "that's a crock" comment was not made in any formal Police interrogation.

Roberts told Gottlieb on March 20 that Mangum’s version of events was a “crock,” according to his notes.

She then gave a written statement to DPD on March 22 that further contradicted the Crusty's version of events - Kim said that she had not been separated from Crusty for more than 5 min the entire night.; May 5, 2014 at 9:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Seriously, the entire thang was a sham designed to use the team to get obamanoncare through the ballots - so hey - i'm sure noone in charge of the charade actually figured anyone would go to jail for their parts in the play - and the plan was obviously to victimize the victim while confusing the issues of who was victim and who was not - so that in the end obamanoncare made it to the banks and damn the rest that were used for the game.

i mean - get real

(not saying the 'something' didn't happen of course - just saying there was no way anyone was going to actually take responsibility or blame or so was thought - as usual)

sheeeessssshhhhh - are ya'll STILL arguing about this.

why?; May 5, 2014 at 11:28 AM
guiowen said...: To the 11:28,
Please mind your manners.; May 5, 2014 at 12:17 PM
Anonymous said...: The conspiracy goes all the way to the top!; May 5, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Anonymous said...: to g ... the resident blog ms. manners - fyb; May 5, 2014 at 12:54 PM
cristina said...: TTo the 12:54,
Sidney is trying to maintain a nice blog. People like you, by your poor manners, really hurt Sidney.; May 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM
Anonymous said...: naw its trolls like you who think you 'own' this blog that make it the evil troll gang hangout with continuous arguments and trolling about the same damn thing ad nauseum that ya'll seem to enjoy so much - you suck; May 5, 2014 at 1:41 PM
guiowen said...: Please mind your manners.; May 5, 2014 at 2:42 PM
Anonymous said...: fy troll; May 5, 2014 at 2:44 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "In April of 2006, in spite of having no DNA evidence to link any member of the Lacrosse team to the alleged rape of Crystal Mangum, and in spite of knowing the only DNA found on Crystal did not come from any member of the Lacrosse team, DA NIFONG requested and got indictments from the Grand Jury of three members of the Lacrosse team for FIRST DEGREE RAPE. That is an easily locatable part of the public record"......... At that time DA Nifong felt he could prove a rape charge without DNA. Unfortunately he wrongly surmised that the non-Player DNA found would be expla1nable by Crystal's prior sexual history but he failed to vigorously pursue this avenue where the DNA extracted from sperm was deposited during a rape at the Party by non-Player attendees other then the two who happened to appear by chance in photographs. Then he decided to go instead for sexual assault and kidnapping. In that regard he failed Crystal. Crystal does not hold any animosity towards DA Nifong so why should I. In fact she sees him as a fellow victim. My feeling, though, is he stereotyped Crystal.; May 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "I suppose that one must assume that you believe Crystal is an alcoholic. That is the explanation you advance when a person is not affected by alcohol"... Wrong! Crystal is not an alcoholic or drug addict. She does not abuse alcohol. illicit drugs or prescription medication.; May 5, 2014 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"At that time DA Nifong felt he could prove a rape charge without DNA."

What you claimed earlier was that because he had no DNA evidence, corrupt DA NIFONG charged the Lacrosse players with sexual assault.

"Unfortunately he wrongly surmised that the non-Player DNA found would be expla1nable by Crystal's prior sexual history but he failed to vigorously pursue this avenue"

DA NIFONG surmised nothing of the sort. The only DNA found on Crystal did not match any of the DNA of the men he wanted to indict and charge for the non existent crime. He failed to identify from whom the DNA came from because he did not want the world to know that the only DNA found on Crystal did not come from his suspects.

"where the DNA extracted from sperm was deposited during a rape at the Party by non-Player attendees other then the two who happened to appear by chance in photographs."

We have been over this before. The rape kit tested negative for Acid Phosphatase, for semen. Since the evidence was collected and preserved expeditiously, that finding meant that semen had not been deposited on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Sperm fraction DNA might have been found on Crystal but none of that DNA was deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

"Then he decided to go instead for sexual assault and kidnapping."

How many times have you gotten that wrong in the past two to three days? At least three times. Although he had no DNA evidence, DA NIFONG indicted three innocent men for first degree rape. He did not drop the rape charge until December of 2006, about 9 months after the alleged crime, the first time anyone interviewed Crystal and she could not remember being penetrated, an essential element of the crime of rape.

"In that regard he failed Crystal."

He failed the people of North Carolina by trying to prosecute three men when he had no evidence his complaining witness had told the truth, when he declared a crime had happened even though he had never talked to the complaining witness.

"Crystal does not hold any animosity towards DA Nifong so why should I."

Whatever your attitude, you rant and rave that no attempt was made to identify who left their DNA on Crystal but are in denial that it was corrupt DA NIFONG who covered up that finding.

"In fact she sees him as a fellow victim. My feeling, though, is he stereotyped Crystal."

Neither one were stereotyped. DA NIFONG conducted a grossly improper prosecution. Crystal was a false accuser. That became known because the truth came out, not because anyone stereotyped them. Meanwhile, you are stereotyping yourself as incredibly stupid.; May 5, 2014 at 3:41 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Wrong! Crystal is not an alcoholic or drug addict. She does not abuse alcohol. illicit drugs or prescription medication."

If you believe that drinking 44 oz of beer on top of taking flexeril is not abusing alcohol or a prescription drug, you again are doing a good job of stereotyping yourself as incredibly stupid.; May 5, 2014 at 3:43 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Your delusions do not change the facts. Crystal and corrupt DA NIFONG hung themselves. Crystal falsely claimed she was raped. NIFONG, in spite of having no evidence that the crime had occurred decided to prosecute.

They were victims of no one but themselves.

Meanwhile you are making it plain yo have been affected long term by a case of intractable, incurable stupidity.; May 5, 2014 at 3:47 PM
Anonymous said...: no truth 'came out' as some troll puts it or ya'll wouldn't be able to repeat the same friggen aurguments to feed your need to righten people with differing views - since there are so many differing views people hold from ya'll - since the truth never 'came out' (as you put it); May 5, 2014 at 3:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny:

"Wrong. Crystal is not an alcoholic or drug addict. She does not abuse alcohol, illicit drugs or prescription medication."

Sorry. I misunderstood your comments.

You effectively allege that Crystal chugged 44 oz of high alcohol ice house beer when she first arrived at her driver's apartment. She took flexeril in connection with the gymnastics associated with her dancing. As has been noted, there are warnings against drinking while taking flexeril.

Effectively, Crystal chugged 4 cans of beer. I am much larger than the petite mother of three, and drinking 4 cans of beer over an hour or so will make me a bit tipsy. I would have expected that the effect would have been much more severe for a smaller person chugging the beers and taking a muscle relaxant.

Crystal obviously has a high resistance to alcohol. While I recognize that doesn't make her an alcoholic, you have suggested that explanation in other instances.

You emphasized her high resistance to alcohol in connection with the taxi incident. When she was arrested, her BAC was almost twice the legal limit.

Nevertheless, you maintained she was not impaired. Most people with a BAC that high will show some signs of impairment. But you insisted that Crystal showed no impairment.

In making this claim, I recognize that you were calling the arresting officer a liar. After all, his report claimed that Crystal passed out. I also assumed that you were calling Crystal a liar. In her book, Last Damce for Grace, she described the alcohol kicking in, thus suggesting she was impaired.

I must confess that I do not understand why you found it preferable to suggest that Crystal was a liar than that she had too much to drink.

I agree with you that the taxi incident was blown out of proportion. I believe she had too much to drink and made some stupid choices. I don't believe that she intentionally tried to run over the officer. However, admitting she was involved in a drunken driving incident doesn't compare well with the noise violations, open can violations and public urination charges faced by some of the players.

However, I don't understand why you felt it was preferable to call her a liar. I would think that her credibility is critical. I would think that having friend imply that she was a liar would hurt--and not help--her credibility.; May 5, 2014 at 5:03 PM
Anonymous said...: well that settles it than for you rite

next; May 5, 2014 at 5:22 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "I must confess that I do not understand why you found it preferable to suggest that Crystal was a liar than that she had too much to drink" .... Stop being facetious. I know Crystal to be a person of honesty, often naïvely so. Her honesty and forthrightness has sometimes gotten her in trouble. She needs to learn from DCR deny, deny, deny.; May 5, 2014 at 8:57 PM
kenhyderal said...: Attention Dr. Harr. Racist alert at 6:08; May 5, 2014 at 9:01 PM
guiowen said...: Are you whining again, Kenny?; May 5, 2014 at 9:56 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Stop being facetious. I know Crystal to be a person of honesty, often naïvely so. Her honesty and forthrightness has sometimes gotten her in trouble. She needs to learn from DCR deny, deny, deny."

What she should learn from the innocent Lacrosse players she falsely accused is honesty and responsibility. They told the truth when they denied they had raped crystal and that no rape happened at the party. They did take responsibility for the party. Crystal has yet to take responsibility for her false accusations.

Speaking of "deny, deny, deny". You are so far into denial over what happened in the Lacrosse case you do not realize that is your behavior.; May 6, 2014 at 5:06 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Don't ignore all the blatant unrepentant racism in KENHYDERAL' posts.; May 6, 2014 at 5:07 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "At that time DA Nifong felt he could prove a rape charge without DNA."

But, he could not prove who committed the rape. DNA was the only means of proving identity of a suspect after the botched lineups and Crystal's false allegations of who raped her.

"Unfortunately he wrongly surmised that the non-Player DNA found would be expla1nable by Crystal's prior sexual history..."

Some could, but five samples could not be explained by her prior sexual history.

"... but he failed to vigorously pursue this avenue where the DNA extracted from sperm was deposited during a rape at the Party by non-Player attendees other then the two who happened to appear by chance in photographs."

Well, there were no others at the party. So that leaves other sexual encounters in the two to three days before. Of course, none of those men are in any databases checked by the SBI.

" Then he decided to go instead for sexual assault and kidnapping."

Crimes for which there is no evidence.

"In that regard he failed Crystal."

On this we agree. An ethical prosecutor would have dismissed the charges against Seligman, Finnerty and Evans and apologized.

"Crystal does not hold any animosity towards DA Nifong so why should I. In fact she sees him as a fellow victim."

Further, calling into question her judgment.

"My feeling, though, is he stereotyped Crystal."

I suspect you are right. He definitely used her for his own political ends.

Walt-in-Durham; May 6, 2014 at 6:41 AM
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