justice4nifong: Crystal Mangum nearly dies in custody

Monday, April 14, 2014

Crystal Mangum nearly dies in custody

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Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"A less nefarious explanation might be that Kilgo's Player friend, who putatively witnesses the assault and was having pangs of conscience for not coming forward, for the sake of team solidarity, regretted he had confided in Kilgo and asked him to stop posting what he had told him."

Prove that Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player friend exists.; April 21, 2014 at 12:24 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr, this case seems to point to obstruction of justice by the ME's, the DA, and Duke in not addressing the discrepancies themselves, and/or perhaps even more malpractice than previously you thought to which they are legally responsible for, and/or accessory to the obstruction of justice, etc.; and to the lawyers involvement in the obstruction of the justice of this case for Ms. Mangum and the people as well.

The level of trust the people place in these positions that can affect life and death decisions for all make those crimes a burden too heavy to carry by Ms. Mangum and the people alone.

Adding in the continued disregard by the justice system of these life and death issues creates a threatening, hostile, and unsafe environment for all who live or travel in NC.

How are these persons holding these positions of professional responsibility to the people held accountable and investigated for their actions in this case through the USA justice system?

How is Ms. Mangum or the people assured that the Duke / Durham justice and medical systems, as well as the NC ME system are professionally capable of serving the people if there is no investigation into the roles they played and continue to perpetuate in the apparent injustice of this case?

April 19, 2014 at 6:09 AM

Am busy preparing for the hearing so I have time to respond to only one comment.

The integrity of the justice system is jeopardized by the inaction regarding investigation in the case against Mangum. Not only that, but Mangum's own attorneys withheld exculpatory evidence from her by not turning over the report by Dr. Roberts. It is clear that no one was doing anything to really help Crystal except for me... and as a result, the media got the State Bar to go after me.; April 21, 2014 at 12:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr, in your latest post you again show you are incredibly stupid and seriously deluded.; April 21, 2014 at 1:24 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

You persist in saying that Crystal was the victim of a crime. What is your evidence. Crystal's allegations are allegations, not evidence. That she identified three assailants with a high degree of certainty is meaningless. Two were not there. She said her third assailant had a mustache and the third man indicted, David Evans, never had a mustache. Certainty does not translate into reliability.

So make the case that Crystal was raped, if you can.; April 21, 2014 at 2:16 PM
Anonymous said...: The integrity of the justice system is jeopardized by the inaction regarding investigation in the case against Mangum. Not only that, but Mangum's own attorneys withheld exculpatory evidence from her by not turning over the report by Dr. Roberts. It is clear that no one was doing anything to really help Crystal except for me... and as a result, the media got the State Bar to go after me.

A report that did not exist (as was clear in the trial, when it was ordered produced), and one which states that Daye died from complications from a stab wound to the chest is hardly exculpatory. Should the Defense have put THEIR expert on the stand and then called her a liar? You really are mad Crystal didn't get LWOP, aren't you? Your "help" is incredibly bad and delusional.; April 21, 2014 at 4:18 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Prove that Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player friend exists"...... Of course he exists. He is a Lacrosse Player; a member of the team. He is a person who attended the party. He gave a sample of his DNA. His existence is not in question. Nor is Kilgo's who posted here on a regular basis. What can be questioned is if this person, an attending Player, told the anonymous Kilgo, who claims to be his friend, that he witnessed the purported sexual assault and was struggling with his conscience whether to come forward or, out of team solidarity, to keep his mouth shut. If people doubt Kilgo's assertions, then I have to ask what might be his motive for making such a claim. Remember the friend, although, supposedly present had no culpability himself. He was after all a Lacrosse Player attendee. Kilgo was not present at the party and he admits his information is only hearsay but from a person he trusted. And it coincides with Crystal's claims. Secondly one would have to ask why he suddenly disappeared.; April 21, 2014 at 4:26 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "A report that did not exist (as was clear in the trial, when it was ordered produced".. It existed alright and was purposely withheld from Crystal. Don't tell me that the report, that finally put to rest that Daye was esophageally intubated, something posters here have denied and scoffed at for months and something that killed him was not fully complete right from the time of Woody Vann. No Roberts did not have to scramble to comply with the Court order.; April 21, 2014 at 4:42 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDErAL:

You have proven nothing more than that Kilgo alleged he has an anonymous lacrosse player friend who witnessed an assault. Proof would have been the player coming forth in 2006. He has not.; April 21, 2014 at 4:46 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

In your most recent post you again you are incredibly stupid.; April 21, 2014 at 4:48 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDEEAL:

"Kilgo was not present at the party and he admits his information is only hearsay but from a person he trusted. And it coincides with Crystal's claims.

Crystal's claims have been proven definitively to be false. That Kilgo's information coincides with Crystal's claims means nothing.

"Secondly one would have to ask why he suddenly disappeared."

Since the anonymous Lacrosse player never existed, and your claims prove nothing, he could not have suddenly vanished.; April 21, 2014 at 4:52 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Crystal's claims have been proven definitively to be false"... No they have not and certainly not in a Court of Law. If there is such proof, why does AG Cooper refuse to release the files his investigation that caused him to declare that no crime occurred.; April 21, 2014 at 4:59 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Since the anonymous Lacrosse player never existed, and your claims prove nothing, he could not have suddenly vanished".. No it's Kilgo that has "vanished". At least from this Blog. His Player friend has presumably, overcome his pangs of conscience and unscrupulously caved in to peer pressure and to misguided loyalty but vanished no; he is still out there. Hopefully one day he will "do the right thing".; April 21, 2014 at 5:07 PM
Anonymous said...: ken Edwards is fabricating nonsense to get attention. Period. End of story.; April 21, 2014 at 6:04 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

What proved Crystal's claims to be unequivocally false is that there was no evidence a crime had taken place. Your speculation about unknown non Lacrosse player rapists is nothing but total stupidity on your part.; April 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

April 21, 2014 at 6:04 PM

When have you ever proven that Kilgo's anonymous lacrosse player exists. All the Lacrosse players have said nothing happened at the party. And Kilgo has been a no show for years. Get over your utter stupidity and recognize you have no justification to believe that individual exists.; April 21, 2014 at 6:15 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal,

Kilgo told me that some anonymous member of the Lacrosse team told him that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006. And what Kilgo said was, told to him, by a LaX Player, who is a friend of his and was present at the party and who gave his DNA, that non-player attendees, unknown to the Police and untested where involved in the sexual assult on Crystal with some team members also complicent. Kilgo's information, came from a first hand witness and not from the orhestrated spin, designed to bolster the trial lawyers civil suits. This propaganda is what most posters here depend on.

Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996; April 21, 2014 at 6:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny:

Perhaps you missed it, but the AG issued an extensive report detailing the reasons why he dismissed the false rape charges and declared the falsely accused lacrosse players innocent. As to why he can't release his files, that is because he is bound by state law.

You may have missed this also, but the claims that the players were not cooperating with police and had erected a wall of silence were completely eviscerated. All the players cooperated with the police. None reported any crime.

Those are the facts. They are not in question. Your (and Sid's) inability to accept and deal with them makes you look foolish and undermines any legitimate points you may have.; April 21, 2014 at 6:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny:

To make it easy for you, here is a link to the Attorney General's report:

http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/29748585-538e-43be-9de2-113628743d57/SummaryConclusions.aspx

Also, here is a link to the press conference the Attorney General gave:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/1268933/#/vid1268933

To this day, Mangum has not apologized for her actions.; April 21, 2014 at 6:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Ken ..What about Crystal's claims of wooden pieces in her naughty parts? That has certainly been proven false, as nothing was mentioned in any medical report.; April 21, 2014 at 7:15 PM
kenhyderal said...: Perhaps you missed it, but the AG issued an extensive report detailing the reasons why he dismissed the false rape charges and declared the falsely accused lacrosse players innocent. As to why he can't release his files, that is because he is bound by state law"........ No he is not and what he released was only a summary and his conclusions. Investigative Journalist and Author William Cohan is suing to have the material he based his announced conclusions on made public. What's to hide Mr. Cooper?; April 21, 2014 at 8:57 PM
Anonymous said...: The uninformed posters here scoffed at it - none of the attorneys and people with full information ever denied it. You and Dr Harr are delusional and still upset you couldn't get Crystal LWOP - your constant harping on things that clearly don't help Crystal just proves that you are full of shit and absolutely despise her. It's sad you have her convinced you are on we side when you clearly aren't.; April 22, 2014 at 1:13 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny:

If Crystal has nothing to hide, hey does she not release her mental health records?; April 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Why can you not prove that Kilgo has an anonymous friend who was a member of the Lacrosse team.

Why can you not prove that a rape took place at the Lacrosse party.

Why do you call William Cohan an investigative journalist.

Because you are incredibly stupid.; April 22, 2014 at 3:40 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

How do you suppose William Cohan will establish he has legal standing to sue the Attorney General to release his records of his investigation?; April 22, 2014 at 3:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Ken --- I'll ask you again. What about Crystal's claims of wooden pieces in her naughty parts? That has certainly been proven false, as nothing was mentioned in any medical report.; April 22, 2014 at 6:32 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Somewhere you made a statement that Crystal's rape allegations were never proven false in court. You again show how stupid you are.

It is the DA's responsibility in court to prove the allegation is true beyond a reasonable doubt. With no forensic evidence linking any of the suspects to the rape, with no physical evidence of rape, with no reliable identifications of any suspect, there was not way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a rape happened, there was no way DA NIFONG was able to prove his case beyond a reasonable doubt.

Kilgo's allegation that he knew a member of the Lacrosse team who witnessed an assault is nothing more than an uncorroborated allegation. Since said Lacrosse player has not come forth in more than 8 years, and since everyone who was at the party said no rape had taken place, the only logical conclusion is that Kilgo lied when he said some Lacrosse player told him he witnessed an assault.

Your allegation that there were at least a score of party attendees who were never identified is nothing more than a delusion.; April 22, 2014 at 8:39 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: " I'll ask you again. What about Crystal's claims of wooden pieces in her naughty parts".. Crystal related to Cohan what it felt like; especially given the obscene discussion about a broomstick previously hurled at her and she assumed that what she felt was found. Only inflammation and, what was assumed to be, semen but was not confirmed to be, was found; April 22, 2014 at 9:09 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: " Your allegation that there were at least a score of party attendees who were never identified is nothing more than a delusion".... No definitive list, of who all who were present during the assault, was ever produced. That's an abject and disgraceful failure by Durham Police, DA Nifong and AG Cooper and his investigators Coman and Winstead..; April 22, 2014 at 9:16 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Kenhyderal -- Crystal Mangum stated "....And when I got to the hospital and they took the samples, it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces. Like, I guess they used a broomstick."[emphasis mine]

She is not expressing what "it" felt like -- she's stating as a fact that something was found in her vaginal/anal area.

Nice try, though.; April 22, 2014 at 9:41 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"No definitive list, of who all who were present during the assault, was ever produced. That's an abject and disgraceful failure by Durham Police, DA Nifong and AG Cooper and his investigators Coman and Winstead.."

That is another one of your delusions.

DA NIFONG is the one who found that there was DNA on Crystal's person which did not match any of those who were definitively identified as party attendees. He concealed that fact rather than try to identify who that DNA matched. Why do you suppose he did that, if he was such and honest prosecutor?; April 22, 2014 at 9:50 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Only inflammation and, what was assumed to be, semen but was not confirmed to be, was found [on Crystal's person}.

First the only finding was diffuse vaginal edema. If you knew anything about female sexual response you would know that sexual arousal can cause that. It was not evidence of inflammation.

If the examiners believed Crystal had been raped, why did they not do awet moubt on the fluid found in Crystal's genital tract. It was not, as you once alleged(another manifestation of your stupidity) CYA medicine. It was an essential part of the exam.

Why was no semen found on the rape kit. When you mention how fast semen breaks down, tose references talk about how expeditiously the rape kit is taken and the evidence is preserved. Your repeated allegations that the failure to find semen in the rape kit is yet another manifestation of how incredibly stupid you choose to be.; April 22, 2014 at 9:58 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "The uninformed posters here scoffed at it (the esophageal intubation) - none of the attorneys and people with full information ever denied it. Among those who scoffed at it was the much vaunted "Dr. Anonymous" The guy who can't respond to a post I make, without calling me a Nazi and a racist. Dr. Anonymous said to Dr. Harr: "I have read the evidence on your blog and I have gone on record that no esophageal intubation happened" Coroner Nicholls made no mention of it in his sloppy autopsy, claiming Crystal's wound killed Daye; April 22, 2014 at 10:35 AM
Anonymous said...: poor kenny little boy....keeps tilting away at his little windmills.....thinking somehow that his little stories about his imaginary friend(s) are real. sad little kenny
What chaps people like Kenny and Bro is that their prototype victim turned out to be a liar...and that, of course, screwed up their little melodrama about evil rich white boys raping the single mother of three. too bad, fellas, Sister is a convicted murderess and Nifong is playing his guitar.; April 22, 2014 at 11:22 AM
Anonymous said...: She stabbed him. He died. whine, kenny, whine.; April 22, 2014 at 11:23 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL

Christena Roberts claimed that the view of the trachea was obscured by emesis. As someone who has intubated people and who has visualized the larynx on direct laryngoscopy, I can say authoritatively it is difficult, if not impossible to recognize an esophageal intubation on direct laryngoscopy.

How many times in your life have you done an intubation, have you done direct laryngoscopy.

Incidentally, do not blame me if your views are more consistent with Adolf Hitler or the Ku Klux Klan.

Dr. Anonymous; April 22, 2014 at 11:26 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
If you really want to help your little friend, stop making up stories, and act! Go to Durham and try to locate witnesses, depose them, etc. Maybe you can find the individual who once went by the name of Kilgo. Maybe he or she can give you valuable information. Try to speak to Daniel Meier, or to Crystal's current attorney. Maybe there's something you can do.
Stop hiding behind your claim that you can't travel because of a family problem. When you say that, people will think either (a) you have a jealous wife, or (b) your mother won't let you have your passport.
That's all my advice for today. Take it as you wish, but please stop whining.; April 22, 2014 at 11:46 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:
SICNEY HARR:

How many direct laryngoscopies or intubations has Dr. Roberts ever done. Unless she has done a number, she is not qualified to determine that the tube had been in the esophagus when direct laryngoscopy showed it to be in the trachea.

ZINEY, tell your acolyte KENHYDERAL it is not my fault if his attitudes are more consistent with the Nazis and teh Ku Klus Klan than they are with justice.; April 22, 2014 at 11:48 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

I have given you answers. You do not like them because they do not agree with your presumption of guilt on the part of some innocent Caucasian men. That is not my fault.

Dr. Anonymous; April 22, 2014 at 11:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Correction:

KENHYDERAL

Christena Roberts claimed that the view of the trachea was obscured by emesis. As someone who has intubated people and who has visualized the larynx on direct laryngoscopy, I can say authoritatively it is difficult, if not impossible to MISS an esophageal intubation on direct laryngoscopy.

How many times in your life have you done an intubation, have you done direct laryngoscopy.

Incidentally, do not blame me if your views are more consistent with Adolf Hitler or the Ku Klux Klan.

Dr. Anonymous; April 22, 2014 at 12:04 PM
Anonymous said...: What Christena Roberts said was that the initial intubation was esophageal because the emesis blocked the view of the vocal cords. The documentation SIDNEY HARR illegally accessed and published said a DIRECT LARYNGOSCOPY showed the tube was in the trachea. I say again, authoritatively, it is impossible to MISS an esophageal intubation on direct laryngoscopy.

SIDNEY HARR has implied that the esophageal intubation was deliberate, part of a plot to murder Reginald Daye so that Crystal would be blamed for his death. Dr. Roberts' report does not support that view.

Dr. Roberts' report also says what Walt and a Lawyer and I have been saying. The intubation was necessitated by a complication of the stab wound. If and esophageal intubation did happen, and I say again that has not been established, it would not relieve Crystal of criminal responsibility for Reginald Daye's death, Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL's opinion to the contrary.; April 22, 2014 at 12:11 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "First the only finding was diffuse vaginal edema. If you knew anything about female sexual response you would know that sexual arousal can cause that. It was not evidence of inflammation"......... Huh??? Your rape fantasies notwithstanding, rape victims don't experience sexual arousal.; April 22, 2014 at 2:31 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "How many direct laryngoscopies or intubations has Dr. Roberts ever done. Unless she has done a number, she is not qualified to determine that the tube had been in the esophagus when direct laryngoscopy showed it to be in the trachea"................... Are you sure you now want to challenge Dr. Roberts' report and stick by your assertion that there was no esophageal intubation that deprived Daye of life saving oxygen. You might have to "eat those words"; April 22, 2014 at 2:42 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

The point is, diffuse vaginal edema is not a finding exclusive of rape. It has been documented that Crystal did engage in sexual activity before she showed up drunk at the party. The lack of forensic evidence of rape, the lack of physical findings of rape say, loud and clear, NO RAPE-CRYSTAL LIED.; April 22, 2014 at 2:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDEERAL:

"Are you sure you now want to challenge Dr. Roberts' report and stick by your assertion that there was no esophageal intubation that deprived Daye of life saving oxygen."

Yes.

"You might have to "eat those words"

In your ignorant deluded dreams.; April 22, 2014 at 2:47 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "and I say again that has not been established, it would not relieve Crystal of criminal responsibility for Reginald Daye's death".... Yes it would unless the procedure was related to the treatment of complications of the stab wound and not to treatment of Daye's alcohol withdrawal; April 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Huh??? Your rape fantasies notwithstanding, rape victims don't experience sexual arousal.

Actually Kenny, they often do - that's how men can get raped - they can get an erection. It's not uncommon for rape victims to have some level of arousal too.

At least you prove you just pull your statements out of your ass, and don't do any research, or have any real knowledge to back up your claims.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-05/science-arousal-during-rape; April 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "and I say again that has not been established, it would not relieve Crystal of criminal responsibility for Reginald Daye's death".... Yes it would unless the procedure was related to the treatment of complications of the stab wound and not to treatment of Daye's alcohol withdrawal

He wouldn't have been suffering the withdrawal if Crystal hadn't stabbed him. Plus, as Dr. Roberts notes, they started treatment for the DTs, but since the agitation remained, they ruled the DTs out, because if it was DTs the symptoms would have subsided with the treatment.

You and Sid at least prove Mark Twain right every day - we all assume you are idiots, but then you open your mouths and remove all doubt. :-); April 22, 2014 at 2:51 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "The point is, diffuse vaginal edema is not a finding exclusive of rape. It has been documented that Crystal did engage in sexual activity before she showed up drunk at the party................ Her last sexual encounter was at 9:00 PM March 11th with driver Johnson, 51 hours prior to the rape. His DNA was found as was her boyfriend Matt Murchison's from an encounter even earlier. Driver Brian Taylor insisted Crystal was not intoxicated when he dropped her off and co-dancer Roberts also testified to that effect. Her sudden onset of impairment began shortly after she was given a drink Her tests at Duke were negative for opioids, cocaine and GHB. Because of her occupational back problems she took the muscle relaxant Flexeril on the advice of her Physician, prior to doing the gymnastics her dance performances required. Doing so had never in the past impaired her even if she has also drank some beer.; April 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"Yes it would unless the procedure was related to the treatment of complications of the stab wound and not to treatment of Daye's alcohol withdrawal"

There is no evidence that Reginald Daye was in alcohol withdrawl. He was being evaluated for a possible intraabdominal post operative infection.; April 22, 2014 at 3:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"Her last sexual encounter was at 9:00 PM March 11th with driver Johnson, 51 hours prior to the rape. His DNA was found as was her boyfriend Matt Murchison's from an encounter even earlier."

Wrong. It was documented she performed with a vibrator for some client before she went to the party.; April 22, 2014 at 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"Driver Brian Taylor insisted Crystal was not intoxicated when he dropped her off..."

And other people testified she was impaired when she arrived. The preponderance of the evidence was that she was already impaired. You dismiss the evidence as self serving. That would only be true if a crime had happened. No crime happened.; April 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM
kenhyderal said...: Sexual arousal during rape might be possible but let me assure you that Crystal was not in way sexually aroused by the violent assault she endured.; April 22, 2014 at 3:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

" Her sudden onset of impairment began shortly after she was given a drink".

No it wasn't. It was present when she arrived at the party.; April 22, 2014 at 3:50 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"Sexual arousal during rape might be possible but let me assure you that Crystal was not in way sexually aroused by the violent assault she endured."

However, according to all the witnesses and all the forensic evidence gathered, no violent sexual assault happened.; April 22, 2014 at 3:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"Because of her occupational back problems she took the muscle relaxant Flexeril on the advice of her Physician, prior to doing the gymnastics her dance performances required. Doing so had never in the past impaired her even if she has also drank some beer."

She did not drink "some" beer. By her own account she drank two 22 oz cans of beer. That is a lot of beer. On top of flexeril, that would cause impairment.

From http://www.drugs.com/food-interactions/cyclobenzaprine,flexeril.html:

"Using cyclobenzaprine together with ethanol can increase nervous system side effects such as dizziness, drowsiness, and difficulty concentrating. Some people may also experience impairment in thinking and judgment. You should avoid or limit the use of alcohol while being treated with cyclobenzaprine."

Imbibing 44 ounces of beer after taking flexeril is not exactly avoiding or limiting her intake of alcohol.; April 22, 2014 at 3:56 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"Because of her occupational back problems she took the muscle relaxant Flexeril on the advice of her Physician, prior to doing the gymnastics her dance performances required."

Did her physician counsel her not to drink after taking flexeril. If he was not he was negligent.; April 22, 2014 at 3:59 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens"
-Friedrich Schiller; April 22, 2014 at 7:26 PM
kenhyderal said...: " Wir sehen jetzt durch einen Spiegel in einem dunkeln Wort; dann aber von Angesicht zu Angesicht. Jetzt erkenne ich's stückweise; dann aber werde ich erkennen, gleichwie ich erkannt bin"-Sankt Paul; April 22, 2014 at 9:18 PM
kenhyderal said...: No it wasn't. It was present when she arrived at the party. Not according to Kim Roberts. This is her interview with reporter Rita Cosby before her identity was public ---
- anonymous interview with Rita Crosby, April 18, 2006:
my exclusive interview with the second dancer. She was with the accuser the night of the alleged rape. Let‘s take a look.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was talkative and friendly and smiling, and definitely--we talked for several minutes, you know, normal conversation. We were getting to know each other. She was fine. She was absolutely fine. COSBY: Did she seem that she had been on drugs or drinking?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not at all. She did not seem like that at all.

COSBY: Are you surprised that they're saying that, Look, maybe she arrived, you know, banged up and bruised?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I mean, like I said, I just didn't notice anything. There was nothing overtly banged up or bruised about her, or I would have noticed it.

COSBY: How much of a contrast was her behavior from when she arrived to when she left?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was very different. She was different from the person that I met in the beginning of the night.

COSBY: A 180?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. At least...

"In all honesty, I think they're guilty," she said. "And I can't say which ones are guilty ... but somebody did something besides underage drinking. That's my honest-to-God impression."...; April 22, 2014 at 9:40 PM
cristina said...: Kenhyderal,
Ich wusste nicht, dass du so gut deutsch sprichst. Vielleicht dann koennen wir so miteinander sprechen.
Kannst du aber bitte nicht mehr weinen? Es ist fuer uns alle sehr schwer, so einen traurigen Mann zu sehen.; April 22, 2014 at 10:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

Kim Roberts also said that Crystal's claims of being raped were a crock. Kim Roberts was also threatened with legal action over s probation violation by the DA's office after she said Crystal's claims were a crock.

In any event, the preponderance of evidence, including Crystal's admission that she took in 44 ounces of beer after taking flexeril, is that she was impaired before arriving at the party.; April 23, 2014 at 2:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

The anonymous interview with Rita Crosby comes from this source:

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/10/duke-case-kim-roberts-version-60.html

According to that account, Kim Roberts changed her story about the alleged rapes multiple times.

Like your idol SIDNEY HARR, you pick and choose what items you want to present, you dismiss facts which do not make your case, and then delude yourself into thinking you have accomplished something significant.; April 23, 2014 at 3:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

This is also a quote from the URL I cited:

"The latest version of her Ms. Roberts' description of events at the Duke lacrosse party on March 13 & 14th, given to Ed Bradley of CBS News, 60 Minutes, directly contradicts statements made by Crystal Gail Mangum."

And:

"Kim Roberts was the sex worker partner of the alleged gang rape victim, Crystal Gail Mangum. She is a key witness in the Duke lacrosse case because she said she was with Ms. Mangum for most of the night of the Duke lacrosse party, except for "less than 5 minutes." Ms. Roberts also said Ms. Mangum's claims of being raped were a 'crock' the first time she heard the gang rape allegations."

Finally:

"Ms. Roberts sent an e-mail to 5W Public Relations in April to request their services. The company has represented a variety rappers and celebrities, including rapper Lil' Kim.
'Although I am no celebrity and just an average citizen, I've found myself in the center of one of the biggest stories in the country," Roberts said in an email to 5W Public Relations. "I'm worried about letting this opportunity pass me by without making the best of it and was wondering if you had any advice as to how to spin this to my advantage.'"; April 23, 2014 at 3:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

Taking everything Kim Roberts told the media, she is not a very credible witness for Crystal.; April 23, 2014 at 3:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

You ARE incredibly stupid if you think that people will not be able to check your sources in this day and age.; April 23, 2014 at 3:53 AM
Anonymous said...: Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes the Judge to boot Sid's latest frivolous lawsuit? And then how long it takes Sid to come on here ranting about the corruption in the system (even though everyone with legal training has told him he has no case - apparently ALL lawyers are wrong)?

I do hope Walt makes it so he can give us the real story, since we know Sid will be making a lot of his version up.; April 23, 2014 at 4:25 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny never even proved Kilgo existed.....much less his other imaginary friends.; April 23, 2014 at 6:40 AM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

When you dredged up that interview from Johnsville News, you failed to notice why Kim Roberts called 911. She called 911 and reported that she and her girlfriend were walking or driving by the Lacrosse house and people from the house called her and her girlfriend "n---er".

She did not report any rape. After the 911 call, she did not take Crystal to a police station or a Hospital. She drove to a super market and asked a security guard to forcibly eject Crystal from her car.; April 23, 2014 at 7:18 AM
Anonymous said...: For those interested in FACT, read KC's blog entry today. It is outstanding....particularly as it lays out, in detail, the numerous inconsistencies, changes, distortions and outright lies told by the convicted murderer, Mangum. There is a graphic that shows how Mangum changed her story to fit exposed evidence.(such as, they DID NOT use condoms.....uh, no, they DID use condoms,etc.) As always, KC backs up what he says with specific documentation, notes, and page references. Unlike the asshat, harr.......
check it out, today's Durham in Wonderland is great.; April 23, 2014 at 7:53 AM
Anonymous said...: walt, just so we get the straight story about the hearing coming up....please explain what issues, etc, will be heard....what's the focus?....etc....; April 23, 2014 at 7:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhreer KENHYDERAL:

Here is the YouTube video of the ABC Nightline report on the dismissal of the charges filed against the innocent, falsely accused Duke Lacrosse players. It contains a recording of Kim Pittman's 911 call on the morning of 14 March 2006.; April 23, 2014 at 8:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Correction:

Gruppenfuhreer KENHYDERAL:

Here is the YouTube video of the ABC Nightline report on the dismissal of the charges filed against the innocent, falsely accused Duke Lacrosse players. It contains a recording of Kim Pittman's 911 call on the morning of 14 March 2006:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gh8oGF4iXQ; April 23, 2014 at 8:11 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal -- Do you even know what Saint Paul is referring to here?

Basically, he's referring to our knowledge of God. Currently, our knowledge is imperfect due to our physical limitations. Once we are "Angesicht zu Angesicht" with God, we will perfect our knowledge of Him in His presence.

You have to take this verse completely out of context to even have it remotely apply to either CGM or Sid's current situation.

You were most likely just looking for a German phrase to counter Lance's (very appropriate for this site) Friedrich Schiller quote, and this was the first you came across.

Well, to paraphrase another quote, you chose....poorly.

Thus ends your education for the day.; April 23, 2014 at 8:13 AM
Anonymous said...: 50 Shades of White; April 23, 2014 at 9:08 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ April 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM said...

Her tests at Duke were negative for opioids, cocaine and GHB.

Crusty wasn't tested for drugs when she was at DUMC the morning of April 14th, 2006. Drug testing was apparently frowned upon at DUMC in rape cases since the defense would obviously have access to that information (smacks of obstruction of justice).

It was only after Nifong, with no basis in fact, started claiming that she might have been drugged that she was tested.

A 5-drug panel that didn't even test for the drugs Nifong had claimed, and was done so long afterward that the tests were meaningless.; April 23, 2014 at 9:48 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: April 14th, 2006 should be March 14, 2006, of course.; April 23, 2014 at 9:50 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "You were most likely just looking for a German phrase to counter Lance's (very appropriate for this site) Friedrich Schiller quote, and this was the first you came across.
A verse from the Luther Bible can hardly be categorized as a "German Phrase". My point is that, in ignorance, you do not presently see the whole picture. Schiller's cynical sentiment expressed in modern parlance is even They (The Gods) "can't fix stupid" Saint Paul, though, says, " now we see in part but "then" face to face Now I know in part; then I shall know fully i.e. when the truth becomes known. An example; watch how Dr. Anonymous is back pedaling as knowledge of Daye's esophageal intubation became known; April 23, 2014 at 9:59 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Taking everything Kim Roberts told the media, she is not a very credible witness for Crystal".......... That's why we needed to have a trial and put witnesses under oath. Cohan had no power to subpoena.; April 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal -- Again, St Paul is referring to the Kingdom of God .
We (as humans) simply have a limited understanding of the Kingdom of God until we meet God face to face.

This verse doesn't have a meaning to some mortal truth. Any attempt to apply it here is taking the phrase completely out of context.; April 23, 2014 at 10:35 AM
Anonymous said...: Demonstrably innocent people shouldn't be forced to defend themselves against spurious allegations. A prosecutor is required to show probably cause that a crime occurred and that the accused committed it before bringing charges. If, after charges are brought, it becomes clear that a crime did not occur and/or that the defendants did not commit it, a prosecutor is obliged to dismiss the charges. This is true regardless of your curiosity.

Have you not been paying attention to anything, Kenny?; April 23, 2014 at 10:39 AM
guiowen said...: To the 10:35,
You shouldn't argue with Kenny. His stature as a master debater means that, when he uses a word, it means exactly what he wants it to mean -- no more, no less.; April 23, 2014 at 10:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"My point is that, in ignorance, you do not presently see the whole picture".

The point you choose not to get is you do not even see a tiny part of the picture. You fantasize about what the picture should be.; April 23, 2014 at 12:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"That's why we needed to have a trial and put witnesses under oath."

Why should there have been a trial when it was obvious from the start(except to corrupt DA NIFONG and stupid people like you) that no crime had happened.

I challenge you to provide evidence corroborating Crystal's claim that she was raped.; April 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "That's why we needed to have a trial and put witnesses under oath. Cohan had no power to subpoena."

There is no right to put people on trial without probable cause. Of course Ken and Sid love to ignore our constitution when it serves their purpose.

Walt-in-Durham; April 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL;

You object to my calling you nazi-istic. The kind of "justice" you advocated is the kind of justice practiced in totalitarian states like Nazi German. The defendant is denounced, put on trial, and only incriminating evidence is introduced. Did you learn that kind of justice in Canada? If that is the kind of justice Canada teaches its citizens, then God help Canada.; April 23, 2014 at 2:14 PM
Anonymous said...: “It’s Crystal Mangum. THE Crystal Mangum! I told him she was trouble from the damn beginning.”; April 23, 2014 at 4:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Ken Edwards aka Kenhyderal:

"That's why we needed to have a trial and put witnesses under oath. Cohan had no power to subpoena."

No. You have it totally wrong. When you have witnesses whose stories change frequently, that is a reason NOT to have a trial. You do not have credible testimony, and without credible testimony you can not prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt.; April 23, 2014 at 7:16 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "We (as humans) simply have a limited understanding of the Kingdom of God until we meet God face to face" Yes and the figure of speech used by St.Paul can be applied to any situation where we have only an incomplete knowledge and we only see in part; April 23, 2014 at 8:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Gruppenfuhrer KENHYDERAL:

"...the figure of speech used by St.Paul can be applied to any situation where we have only an incomplete knowledge and we only see in part".

We know completely what happened in the bathroom at 610 North Buchanan on the night of 13-1 March 2006. Nothing.; April 24, 2014 at 3:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Another thing that really stands out about these cases is this:

Ms. Mangum has been made to take so much public abuse because of duke's insistance that they are rated as one of the nation's top universities and medical systems, and yet they keep so obviously silent about their own preventable malpractice that they legally are required to take responsibility for in order that they might actually earn the respect that might be afforded a top ranked university or medical systems or give reason for top ratings in the first place.

As this same top rated institution that demands this top rating to brand its services for monetary gain, regardless of whether the standings are earned or not by actual positive results and actions, they demand that their top ratings for branding sake be more respected than the law that states they must take responsibility for their own mistakes and malpractice.

The constitution of the USA does not have anything about duke's top ratings for branding sake specifically being more important than the laws that govern this great nation, so there is a serious disconnect between perceived top rated branded services for profit protections afforded by and to duke and the actual legally sound services available and guaranteed to duke's patients or consumers of their services in a manner in which they are safe (or protected) by duke from duke's faulty or harmful services.

Their ratings are more important than their actual legally sound services to duke.; April 30, 2014 at 3:04 AM
Anonymous said...: I must ask again, has anyone seen Kilgo?; May 16, 2014 at 6:41 PM

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