justice4nifong: How the NC legal system and the courts failed Crystal Mangum

Tuesday, March 31, 2015

How the NC legal system and the courts failed Crystal Mangum

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kenhyderal said...: Not exactly Sin City but hey, I've got the good times on my mind down at the Canteen Fuzzy; May 9, 2015 at 3:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

I am looking forward to your self-defense argument. I am confident that the detail you provide will be compelling. Your superficial overview just didn't work.; May 9, 2015 at 3:30 PM
Anonymous said...: I am curious to know how kenny knows Mangum, or if he is just telling yet another one of his lies.; May 9, 2015 at 4:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Perhaps Kenny is the "mystery rapist." He seems to know details about the events of that evening that have not been disclosed anywhere and that only the perpetrator would know.; May 9, 2015 at 4:42 PM
Anonymous said...: So, Kenny, did you meet her before or after she was kicked out of the military for adultery?; May 9, 2015 at 7:10 PM
Anonymous said...: hey evil duke troll it g... trolling along as usual

isn't there something else you could be doing other than going insane on this blog This weekend Too?

Note: last 11 posts courtesy of g... regurgitated copied posts so that it has something to troll and go insane about this weekend

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blah; May 10, 2015 at 4:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Lock up your valuables. Tinfoil is rampaging.; May 10, 2015 at 6:13 AM
Anonymous said...: "
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey evil duke troll it g... trolling along as usual

isn't there something else you could be doing other than going insane on this blog This weekend Too?

Note: last 11 posts courtesy of g... regurgitated copied posts so that it has something to troll and go insane about this weekend

blah

troll on evil duke troll it g...

troll on ... go insane ... have fun

egad
sheesh louise and heloise
and
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May 10, 2015 at 4:41 AM"

Boy are you stressed.; May 10, 2015 at 8:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Take it easy on Tinfoil. He is just anxious for a new shlog. We all are. Emotions always run high and tempers get short while we are waiting for Sid to pinch one off.; May 10, 2015 at 9:15 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

This is follow-up on my current sharlog. The Flash file I was working on somehow became corrupted, so I had to take my computer in to get it fixed. I was unable to salvage the file which had a lot of work invested in it. Anyway, for the past day and a half I've been re-doing the file... Flash is working well, so far. I should be hopefully finished by Tuesday and hopefully get it posted no later than Wednesday.

By the way, Happy Mothers' Day to all mothers.

As you were.; May 10, 2015 at 11:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

Take it easy on Tinfoil. He is just anxious for a new shlog. We all are. Emotions always run high and tempers get short while we are waiting for Sid to pinch one off.

May 10, 2015 at 9:15 AM

Right you are. What the frack is going on here? I leave for a little while and come back hoping to be elucidated by a nice shlog, but all I find are these evil, mean, hate-filled, nonsensical, crazy making comments from a bunch of insane hate-crime blog mongers.

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blah; May 10, 2015 at 7:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey Tinfoil, who's your daddy?; May 10, 2015 at 7:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Why do you ask that question on this blog evil duke troll? Is it any way relevant to anything on this blog? You do that to others too.

???; May 11, 2015 at 3:34 AM
Anonymous said...: "" Hey Tinfoil, who's your daddy?

May 10, 2015 at 7:12 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do you ask that question on this blog evil duke troll? Is it any way relevant to anything on this blog? You do that to others too.

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May 11, 2015 at 3:34 AM"

Boy are you stressed out.; May 11, 2015 at 4:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Seriously?

Who's your daddy?; May 11, 2015 at 4:54 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "However I am confident that the Surgeons who repaired the wound and the Physicians attempting to save Daye's life after the disastrous medical error would testify that the treatment he was undergoing was unrelated to the wound."

Again, supposition on your part unsupported by any evidence what so ever. What real physicians said was that the death was the result of complications due to the stab wound.

"That he was admitted to hospital because of the wound is insufficient, in my opinion, to say his death was a complication of the stab wound."

Our law says otherwise.

The sole cause of death was the medical error."

Assuming medical error for purposes of discussion, the error would not have taken place had Daye not been admitted for the stab wound. Proximate cause.

"Both the Holsclaw ruling and Judge Ridgeway's instructions to the Jury are correct because the errant esophageal intubation was the sole cause of death and it bore no relationship to the stab wound."

Arguing facts not in evidence. The facts are: Daye died as a result of complications from the stab wound inflicted by Crystal. Testimony of the Medical Examiner, Dr. Nichols and confirmed by defense independent medical examiner, Dr. Roberts.

Walt-in-Durham; May 11, 2015 at 6:36 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "I, like all people who actually know Crystal personally find her to be completely credible. She was deliberately and unfairly badgered by Coggins-Franks in an effort to confuse and any inconsequential discrepancy was labeled as a lie."

Crystal was not badgered. She testified to things which were easily debunked on cross examination. That's consistent with Crystal's past conduct, I should add. She has a difficult time telling the truth. Even about simple things. That's why she is such an poor witness. The state knew that going into the trial. Her lawyer at the arson trial figured that out very early on and did not put her on the stand to testify. Meier didn't want to put her on the stand, but Crystal insisted. Sometimes, she's her own worst enemy.

Walt-in-Durham; May 11, 2015 at 6:44 AM
Anonymous said...: How do you know Mr. Meier didn't want her to testify? What evidence do you have of that?; May 11, 2015 at 7:35 AM
Anonymous said...: " Blogger Walt said...

Kenhyderal wrote: 'However I am confident that the Surgeons who repaired the wound and the Physicians attempting to save Daye's life after the disastrous medical error would testify that the treatment he was undergoing was unrelated to the wound.'

Again, supposition on your part unsupported by any evidence what so ever. What real physicians said was that the death was the result of complications due to the stab wound."

Speaking as a retired surgeon I say, no surgeon ever assumes that everything will go well after a procedure, especially an emergency procedure. We hope everything does, however, to quote a cliche, the only way to completely avoid surgical complications is to not undergo surgery.

KENHYDERAL know nothing about which he thinks he speaks authoritatively.

Dr. Anonymous; May 11, 2015 at 7:42 AM
A Lawyer said...: How do you know Mr. Meier didn't want her to testify? What evidence do you have of that?

He put in on the record at the trial (outside of the presence of the jury, of course).; May 11, 2015 at 11:18 AM
Anonymous said...: I don't know if he ever said whether he wanted her to testify or not - there was a standard inquiry explaining to the Defendant that the choice to testify or not. They do that regardless of whether the attorney wants the client to testify or not, or their advice.

That isn't like the Roberts report where they'd only have that hearing if an impasse - it's done in every trial.; May 11, 2015 at 11:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Who's your daddy?; May 11, 2015 at 6:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey Tinfoil, I'm talking to you.; May 11, 2015 at 6:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Come on Tinfoil, tell us.; May 11, 2015 at 6:41 PM
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Anonymous said...: "
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evil Duke Troll

do not troll me again

ever

thanks

you are a cyberbully

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May 11, 2015 at 10:26 PM"

Boy are you stressed; May 12, 2015 at 12:59 AM
Anonymous said...: You preceive that as stressed?

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Anonymous said...: "Anonymous said...

You preceive that as stressed?

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so stop trolling and bullying people you think are stressed - in addition to asking you not to troll them or anyone else on this blog again

thanks

May 12, 2015 at 3:14 AM"

Boy you are SERIOUSLY stressed.; May 12, 2015 at 4:12 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
How do you know Mr. Meier didn't want her to testify? What evidence do you have of that?

As you may be aware, I have visitation with Crystal every week, and we did discuss issues related to her testifying. First of all Meier definitely did not want her to take the stand. Crystal felt it necessary, and I have always agreed with that.

One thing that Meier insisted upon was that Crystal not mention anything medical while testifying. He repeatedly expressed that. Meier wanted her testimony to deal solely with self-defense and not any medical or proximate cause of death issues which Mangum always insisted on bringing up.

Crystal did as Meier requested, not bringing up the esophageal intubation, Daye's comatose state, or anything related to his hospitalization and treatment. She also related that, although she had not given it much thought at the time, Meier seemed to be extremely relieved when she left the stand... his stress had disappeared and he was in a jovial mood.

If further elucidation is required, give me notice.; May 12, 2015 at 7:05 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Just an update about the latest sharlog. It seems to me, after taking my computer to the store for an evaluation, that the Flash files have a tendency to become corrupted when they are large and when I work on them for long stretches of time... 12 - 16 hours non-stop. I don't know if it's the software program or computer, so what I've done now is to slow the frenetic way in which I produce them. The one I'm currently working on was nearly completed when it turned sour... causing me to take the computer in and eventually destroying the file and starting anew (although I was able to reuse some data already collected and produced).

Anyway, depending on how far I progress today, I might have it online by later this week. Barring any future problems. However, I think that realistically, you can be assured of it being posted no later than next Monday afternoon.

Sorry about the delay.

As you were.; May 12, 2015 at 7:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Of course Meier didn't want Mangum to talk about medical issues. First, she lacks the qualifications tod o so. Second, it would have opened the door to a cross examination where the state could have, among other things, asked Mangum about her own expert's conclusions. It also could have given the state the opportunity to present devastating rebuttal testimony.

Mangum would have either had to concede that her own expert witness concluded that Mr. Daye died due to complications of her stab wound, or be impeached. Either was she would like like a dishonest fool.

Sometimes it's hard to tell if you are hopelessly obtuse or incredibly desperate.

Either way, you don't get a sausage and Mangum stays in prison.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; May 12, 2015 at 7:24 AM
Anonymous said...: If Ms. Mangum did not take the stand - her defense would never have been heard in trial.

The only thing the state allowed was the babysitter for the defense, and even then they tried to get her disqualified because of a false accusation that she was in the court room (house?) before she was scheduled to be there.

So how was Mr. Meier expecting to present a defense without Ms. Mangum's testimony after everything else was disqualified by the state?

Dr. Harr, is Ms. Mangum planning on filing a new appeal if this one fails?; May 12, 2015 at 8:21 AM
Walt said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 12, 2015 at 10:40 AM
Walt said...: A Lawyer wrote: "He put in on the record at the trial (outside of the presence of the jury, of course)."

Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!

Walt-in-Durham; May 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 11:50 AM wrote: "I don't know if he ever said whether he wanted her to testify or not - there was a standard inquiry explaining to the Defendant that the choice to testify or not. They do that regardless of whether the attorney wants the client to testify or not, or their advice."

Bzzzzt, no they do not.

Walt-in-Durham; May 12, 2015 at 10:44 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 8:21 AM wrote: "If Ms. Mangum did not take the stand - her defense would never have been heard in trial."

Yes it would.

"The only thing the state allowed was the babysitter for the defense, and even then they tried to get her disqualified because of a false accusation that she was in the court room (house?) before she was scheduled to be there."

The state does not allow or disqualify witnesses. Only the trial judge can do that. The state and the defense can object and state their reasons for disqualifying a witness. Learn your civics.

"So how was Mr. Meier expecting to present a defense without Ms. Mangum's testimony after everything else was disqualified by the state?"

Meier only had one good thing to get from Crystal, and that was her testimony about the checks. She was convincing on that point, because she was telling the truth. Everything else she said harmed her case and helped the state. Rather than testify untruthfully as she did, Crystal would have been better served by listening to her lawyer, not testifying and letting the evidence and argument speak for her. But, she's never know when to keep her mouth shut.

"Dr. Harr, is Ms. Mangum planning on filing a new appeal if this one fails?"

She does not get another appeal. If the decision is 2-1 against her, she can appeal as a matter of right to the NC Supreme Court. If the decision is 3-0 against her, she can file a petition for certiorari to the North Carolina Supreme Court. There are very different issues that have to be shown depending on if this is an appeal of right or not. But, she cannot raise issues that were not raised at trial and she cannot raise new issues before the Supremes that were not addressed by the Court of Appeals.

Walt-in-Durham; May 12, 2015 at 10:58 AM
Anonymous said...: She needs to file her own appeal claiming that the State's Appeal Attorney did not represent her defense instead of wasting more time on appealing an appeal brief she doesn't think represents her entire defense or the trial in the first place if this appeal fails.; May 12, 2015 at 12:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Can you please provide in a blog post the list of nine appeal items you mentioned earlier that you plan to present in your next sharlog? Where did you get the list from?

How much time does Ms. Mangum have to file something if this current appeal fails?

What are you advising her to file or do in order to get her case heard fairly and with equal protection and representation?

Thank you for your time in answering these important questions.; May 12, 2015 at 12:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Does Ms. Mangum have a copy of the list of nine appeal items that you mention? If so, can you discuss what she plans to do with the list? If she does not have a copy of the list, what is the reason why she does not?

Thank you again.; May 12, 2015 at 12:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Her self-defense argument would have been presented through Daye's statements, which arguably provided the basis to at least argue self-defense - she retreated from the fight, locked herself into the bathroom to call for help, he kicked in the door, drug her out by her hair. Those are all good facts for Crystal.

Sadly, she took the stand and proceeded to embellish a lot of what happened and contradict the physical evidence. Also, had she not taken the stand, the only evidence the State produced was of long-running fighting and arguing between Daye and Crystal - so that oculd have been argued, until Crystal took the stand and denied it.

Now, the defense Sid and Kenny wanted her to present (the medical issues) which would not have led to a not guilty, weren't presented, because they wouldn't have led to a not guilty. At Sid and Kenny's urging, Crystal gave up on self-defense in some foolish desire to go after Duke, but in the end wisely chose to pull back on that.

The worst advice she has received are from Sid and Kenny who are still doing everything in their power to make her a convicted felon by ignoring self-defense.

Hell, Sid still argues the felony murder rule - which is not, and never has been, applicable.

As Walt says ... "with friends like Sid and Kenny Crystal doesn't need enemies."

And, if Crystal really has all these issues with Meier, why isn't she filing bar complaints and the rest? Why is she seemingly so worried about waiving attorney-client privilege?; May 12, 2015 at 1:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Who would have testified that Ms. Mangum paid at least half of the rent money that comprised the cashiers cheques made out to the apartment complex after the state accused her of stealing her own rent money given to her in cheque form by Mr. Daye to pay the rent?

Maybe the state is wrong and Ms. Mangum is right about what happened to her? They never proved anything conclusive about anything, just vaque and unconvincing generalizations and accussations. I certainly have no reason not to believe Ms. Mangum after watching the trial. There was no conclusive proof except that the door was indeed busted down, that Ms. Mangum's hair was found that was pulled out, and that that is what Mr. Daye admitted he did to Ms. Mangum right before she stabbed him in self-defense. There is nothing to prove that what she said happened did not, and there is certainly lack of evidence and proof to cause reasonable doubt about the state's version of things.; May 12, 2015 at 1:56 PM
Anonymous said...: Who would have testified that Ms. Mangum paid at least half of the rent money that comprised the cashiers cheques made out to the apartment complex after the state accused her of stealing her own rent money given to her in cheque form by Mr. Daye to pay the rent?

They didn't need anyone to ... they were cashier's checks made out to the complex - they didn't meet the definition of a "chose in action" anyway - those charges would have been not guilty anyway.

Sid is right those charges never should have been brought - he was just wrong in how to deal with them and their consequence. They never had anything to do with felony murder, and there is no process for a pre-trial motion to dismiss.

The problem is - he kept telling Crystal they were only useful for felony murder (to scare her), and the fact her attorneys weren't trying to get rid of them pre-trial (even though they couldn't) was proof they were against her. That's the damage Sid does.

Those checks were never an issue for anything - but Sid made them seem real important (saying they were the hook to First Degree Murder), and also made the fact the lawyers told her not to worry about them as proof that they were against her.; May 12, 2015 at 2:11 PM
Anonymous said...: As has been noted before - there was no dispute that Crystal locked herself in the bathroom, Daye kicked in the door, he drug her out by the hair, and ended up getting stabbed.

The only issue was if he started choking Crystal in the bedroom and was stabbed there, as she said - or if he let her go, she ran into the kitchen and came back at him, as he said.

Because very little of her story actually matched the physical evidence or what anyone else was saying - and his story was consistent with the physical evidence - the jury believed his version and denied self-defense. At that point it became a murder v. manslaughter issue.; May 12, 2015 at 2:13 PM
Anonymous said...: You do remember that the lacrosse players sued the city because of issues with the investigation and prosecution right? This is the same city - same victim (defendant) and Duke and malpractice.

There really is not much difference, except this time Duke killed a patient with malpractice and then allowed a cover up by the state medical examiner and the justice system in order to provide Ms. Mangum with professional malpractice (etc.).; May 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous said...

You do remember that the lacrosse players sued the city because of issues with the investigation and prosecution right? This is the same city - same victim (defendant) and Duke and malpractice.

There really is not much difference, except this time Duke killed a patient with malpractice and then allowed a cover up by the state medical examiner and the justice system in order to provide Ms. Mangum with professional malpractice (etc.).

May 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM"

Another poster who demonstrates incredible Harrian, kenhyderalian stupidity.; May 12, 2015 at 3:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney, just do the Sharlog Transcribed. That is what most people can see now a days easily. You are wasting time on the Flash Sharlog.

I know you will say the Flash Sharlog presents your case better, but in all reality I look for the Transcribed link first. The Sharlog is to slow and cumbersome.

Just saying...; May 12, 2015 at 6:02 PM
cyberbully evil duke troll said...: Who's your daddy?; May 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM
cyberbully evil duke troll said...: You know I'm talking to you.; May 12, 2015 at 6:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney,

More arguments against the sharlog format. Ipad does not support flash. I can't view the sharlogs on my ipad. In addition, the sharlogs are now blocked on my office computer. In addition, they simply take too long. It has been six weeks since your last sharlog. I know that they amuse you, but that is the only positive.; May 12, 2015 at 6:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...

" Anonymous said...

You do remember that the lacrosse players sued the city because of issues with the investigation and prosecution right? This is the same city - same victim (defendant) and Duke and malpractice.

There really is not much difference, except this time Duke killed a patient with malpractice and then allowed a cover up by the state medical examiner and the justice system in order to provide Ms. Mangum with professional malpractice (etc.).

May 12, 2015 at 2:24 PM"

Another poster who demonstrates incredible Harrian, kenhyderalian stupidity.

May 12, 2015 at 3:15 PM

Cyberbullying Evil Duke Troll:

What is incredibly stupid about that comment exactly? It is a logical statement that could be proven by math. A = A type thing. The lacrosse players lost - so the city is the same (if not worse cuz now they know they can get away with it) - so really it is A + B (A is the city and B is the lacrosse lawsuit) = A + B (it doesn't equal just A anymore - and it is affected negatively by B).

comprede?; May 13, 2015 at 5:17 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 2:11 PM wrote: "Sid is right those charges never should have been brought - he was just wrong in how to deal with them and their consequence. They never had anything to do with felony murder, and there is no process for a pre-trial motion to dismiss.

The problem is - he kept telling Crystal they were only useful for felony murder (to scare her), and the fact her attorneys weren't trying to get rid of them pre-trial (even though they couldn't) was proof they were against her. That's the damage Sid does.

Those checks were never an issue for anything - but Sid made them seem real important (saying they were the hook to First Degree Murder), and also made the fact the lawyers told her not to worry about them as proof that they were against her."

Ding-Ding-Ding, ladies and Gentlemen, We Have A Winner!

Walt-in-Durham; May 13, 2015 at 5:46 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 2:13 PM wrote: "As has been noted before - there was no dispute that Crystal locked herself in the bathroom, Daye kicked in the door, he drug her out by the hair, and ended up getting stabbed.

The only issue was if he started choking Crystal in the bedroom and was stabbed there, as she said - or if he let her go, she ran into the kitchen and came back at him, as he said.

Because very little of her story actually matched the physical evidence or what anyone else was saying - and his story was consistent with the physical evidence - the jury believed his version and denied self-defense. At that point it became a murder v. manslaughter issue."

Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, We Have A Winner!

Walt-in-Durham; May 13, 2015 at 5:49 AM
Anonymous said...: How can it be a winner Walt if the jury had 3 duke affiliates on it - and they should have been disqualified at the very beginning of the trial by the judge to begin with (at least the one who told the jury not to make durham (re: duke) look bad in the trial). Would you accept that type justice for yourself or in extension of your professional work related activities - for your clients?; May 13, 2015 at 6:48 AM
Anonymous said...: " Sidney, just do the Sharlog Transcribed. That is what most people can see now a days easily. You are wasting time on the Flash Sharlog.

I know you will say the Flash Sharlog presents your case better, but in all reality I look for the Transcribed link first. The Sharlog is to slow and cumbersome.

Just saying...

May 12, 2015 at 6:02 PM
Anonymous cyberbully evil duke troll said...

Who's your daddy?

May 12, 2015 at 6:17 PM
Anonymous cyberbully evil duke troll said...

You know I'm talking to you.

May 12, 2015 at 6:19 PM"

Boy are you stressed; May 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM
Anonymous said...: "
May 12, 2015 at 3:15 PM

Cyberbullying Evil Duke Troll:

What is incredibly stupid about that comment exactly? It is a logical statement that could be proven by math. A = A type thing. The lacrosse players lost - so the city is the same (if not worse cuz now they know they can get away with it) - so really it is A + B (A is the city and B is the lacrosse lawsuit) = A + B (it doesn't equal just A anymore - and it is affected negatively by B).

comprede?

May 13, 2015 at 5:17 AM"

I have already pointed out to you a number of incredibly stupid comments. If you can not detect them then you yourself must be incredibly stupid.; May 13, 2015 at 6:57 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Because very little of her story actually matched the physical evidence or what anyone else was saying - and his story was consistent with the physical evidence - the jury believed his version and denied self-defense. At that point it became a murder v. manslaughter issue."
........... The physical evidence, which, selectively, seemed to be in agreement with Daye's improbable story was carefully chosen by the prosecution. Physical evidence that supported Crystal's version was not ever presented. Confusing Crystal on the stand by aggressive questioning and then by branding her as a liar over anything, inconsequential she mixed up, without even the slightest rebuttal by Meier was what happened.; May 13, 2015 at 9:33 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Because very little of her story actually matched the physical evidence or what anyone else was saying - and his story was consistent with the physical evidence - the jury believed his version and denied self-defense. At that point it became a murder v. manslaughter issue."
........... The physical evidence, which, selectively, seemed to be in agreement with Daye's improbable story was carefully chosen by the prosecution. Physical evidence that supported Crystal's version was not ever presented. Confusing Crystal on the stand by aggressive questioning and then by branding her as a liar over anything, inconsequential she mixed up, without even the slightest rebuttal by Meier was what happened.

May 13, 2015 at 9:33 AM"

kenny again shows he is incredibly stupid.; May 13, 2015 at 10:23 AM
guiowen said...: Anonymous 5:17 p.m. said,
"comprede?"
Comprendo muy bien lo que dice. Lo que pasa es que no le creo nada.; May 13, 2015 at 11:54 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

People of ordinary intelligence who are telling the truth don't get "confused" or "mixed up" under questioning. The truth stands up to questioning and it doesn't change with the passage of time.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; May 13, 2015 at 1:45 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sidney,

More arguments against the sharlog format. Ipad does not support flash. I can't view the sharlogs on my ipad. In addition, the sharlogs are now blocked on my office computer. In addition, they simply take too long. It has been six weeks since your last sharlog. I know that they amuse you, but that is the only positive.

Yes, the sharlogs are time-intensive to produce, but I believe the Flash format is the best interactive way to present the information.

I-Pad should really make an effort to support Flash files. Flash is a lot easier to produce interactive programs than by using HTML.

The sharlog I am currently working on is nearly complete... it contains much important information... information which I believe will help result in Mangum's freedom and the overturning of her murder conviction.

I may begin sprinkling in a few transcribed only posts... as there are many issues worthy of discussion such as the ridiculous charges against the UNC athlete arrested for violating sports agent laws... and placed under a half million dollar bail on top of that!! Talk about insanity.; May 13, 2015 at 2:33 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
" Sidney, just do the Sharlog Transcribed. That is what most people can see now a days easily. You are wasting time on the Flash Sharlog.

I know you will say the Flash Sharlog presents your case better, but in all reality I look for the Transcribed link first. The Sharlog is to slow and cumbersome.

Just saying...

Thanks for your comments. The only time I make transcription is when I narrate. The current sharlog I am working on contains no narration and therefore there will be no transcribed accompaniment. I have nearly completed the sharlog... should have it completed no later than Friday.; May 13, 2015 at 2:37 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
How can it be a winner Walt if the jury had 3 duke affiliates on it - and they should have been disqualified at the very beginning of the trial by the judge to begin with (at least the one who told the jury not to make durham (re: duke) look bad in the trial). Would you accept that type justice for yourself or in extension of your professional work related activities - for your clients?

You bring up a good point... one that I have emphasized many times. One quarter of the jury was tainted from the beginning... a testament to the sabotaging intent of Mangum's turncoat attorney Meier.; May 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Another poster who demonstrates incredible Harrian, kenhyderalian stupidity.

"Harrian, kenhyderalian stupidity" is an oxymoron.; May 13, 2015 at 2:42 PM
Anonymous said...: Ok Sid - show us your great legal intellect again ...

Since it was clear the Judge did not, and would not, consider an affiliation (no matter how tenuous) with Duke to be an automatic disqualifier - and those 3 never said anything that would allow them to be removed for cause - how should Meier have removed them?

Do you know how many of his peremptory challenges he used? Because, if he used all of those, and the Judge wouldn't excuse them for cause - how should he have gotten rid of them?

Once again your lack of legal knowledge combined with your delusions - makes you see issues where they don't exist.

Please tell me you really aren't this crazy and delusional and you realize what a joke you, Kenny, tinfoil and this blog are. If you really are this looney you need to be committed.; May 13, 2015 at 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...: "Nifong Supporter said...

Another poster who demonstrates incredible Harrian, kenhyderalian stupidity.

"Harrian, kenhyderalian stupidity" is an oxymoron.

May 13, 2015 at 2:42 PM"

I believe it was incredible harrian kenhyderalian stupidity.

That sidney calls the combination an oxymoron shows he is incredibly stupid.; May 13, 2015 at 4:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Once again, you do a remarkably ineffective job of arguing that Crystal acted in self-defense. Generalizations, unsupported allegations and innuendo convince no one. Bias has nothing to do with it. You simply do a bad job.

Guiowen is wrong. You are not a master debater.

Try making real arguments, supported by real facts, in a real attempt to convince others.

Provide links to the tou tube video of the trial, with notations as to when critical testimony takes place. Provide a transcript. Explain what physical evidence supports Crystal's testimony and what contradicts it. Similarly, explain what physical evidence supports Daye's statement and what contradicts it. Show what evidence was withheld.

In the transcript, point out the aggressive questioning faced by Crystal and the inconsequential mix ups she made.

I challenge you to convince the readers on this blog. You haven't even tried.; May 13, 2015 at 5:49 PM
kenhyderal said...: Sausage King says: "People of ordinary intelligence who are telling the truth don't get "confused" or "mixed up" under questioning. The truth stands up to questioning and it doesn't change with the passage of time"............... Once again Abe displays incredible naiveté. Deliberately demolishing a truthful witness and attempting to confuse them in order to undermine their testimony is probably unethical but it is certainly works.; May 13, 2015 at 9:41 PM
kenhyderal said...: @ Anonymous 5:49 If Meier had properly prepared he should have had no difficulty raising the distinct possibility that Crystal acted in self-defence. He should of pointed out Daye's alcoholism (Lab results on his blood alcohol concentration; his probable delirium tremens and his admitted to drunken jealous rage). Crystal's insistence to take the stand shows she was being truthful and wanted to say so confidently to the Court. Even if Richard Jr. had to be deposed on video Meier should of raised the issue of
"Brass-Knuckle Daye"'s penchant for knife-throwing and about him trying to teach that questionable art to the child.; May 13, 2015 at 9:58 PM
Anonymous said...: "enhyderal said...

Sausage King says: "People of ordinary intelligence who are telling the truth don't get "confused" or "mixed up" under questioning. The truth stands up to questioning and it doesn't change with the passage of time"............... Once again Abe displays incredible naiveté. Deliberately demolishing a truthful witness and attempting to confuse them in order to undermine their testimony is probably unethical but it is certainly works.

May 13, 2015 at 9:41 PM
Blogger kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 5:49 If Meier had properly prepared he should have had no difficulty raising the distinct possibility that Crystal acted in self-defence. He should of pointed out Daye's alcoholism (Lab results on his blood alcohol concentration; his probable delirium tremens and his admitted to drunken jealous rage). Crystal's insistence to take the stand shows she was being truthful and wanted to say so confidently to the Court. Even if Richard Jr. had to be deposed on video Meier should of raised the issue of
"Brass-Knuckle Daye"'s penchant for knife-throwing and about him trying to teach that questionable art to the child.

May 13, 2015 at 9:58 PM"

Incredibly stupid kenny trying to rationalize why his favorite murderess should get a pass.; May 14, 2015 at 1:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny

Remember - Meier tried to bring up Daye's violent nature and history of fighting/arguing with Crystal which would have done a good job establishing she had a reason to be scared of him. There was even a neighbor who claimed to hear fighting and arguing.

Problem is - when asked about it, Crystal specially denied it. She claimed Daye was a great and gentle man who never raised his voice to her, threatened her, or anything else. You keep saying all of these things about Daye that should have come in, but you ignore that the person who claimed Daye was not a man with a temper or violent was Crystal herself. You've still never explained why she denied the prior abuse and why she insisted on saying the neighbor was lying when she said she heard frequent fighting.

Crystal did that - what is her responsibility in there? This wasn't confusion or badgering on her part - under repeated questions by the Prosecution and Defense she repeatedly stated Daye was a kind and gentle man who had never given her a reason to fear him before.

Please explain.; May 14, 2015 at 2:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

While I appreciate your response to my 5:49 challenge, one again you provide a remarkably ineffective argument that Crystal acted in self-defense.

I asked for detail, with links to evidence. Your response contained no detail and no links to evidence. Once again, you resort to innuendo.

I asked that you pretend that you are Crystal's defense attorney and we are the jury. Once again, start with links to the video of the trial. Point out the critical testimony, providing the time in the video where it occurs. Provide a link to the transcript, once again pointing out the crucial testimony.

Your biggest challenge will be the introduction of new evidence, that not used in the trial. You will need to find some way to provide a link to this new evidence and some way to verify it. After all, you recognize that you have completely destroyed your credibility on this blog. Your insistence that Crystal was raped by mystery rapists insures that no one trusts you to tell the truth about anything.

This will require many lengthy posts. Your last attempt was once again a half-assed effort. Crystal deserves better from her close personal friend.

Good luck!; May 14, 2015 at 3:11 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 6:48 AM wrote: "How can it be a winner Walt if the jury had 3 duke affiliates on it - and they should have been disqualified at the very beginning of the trial by the judge to begin with (at least the one who told the jury not to make durham (re: duke) look bad in the trial). Would you accept that type justice for yourself or in extension of your professional work related activities - for your clients?"

The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. The jury was very obviously not biased as they reached a verdict for Crystal on the larceny charge. So yes, if I or my client was innocent, I would want a jury just like that who would see through the state's flimsy case and acquit.

The jury was also right, as the winner pointed out. Hard to beat that in a jury.

Walt-in-Durham; May 14, 2015 at 6:28 AM
Walt said...: Abe Froman wrote: "People of ordinary intelligence who are telling the truth don't get "confused" or "mixed up" under questioning. The truth stands up to questioning and it doesn't change with the passage of time."

Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!

Walt-in-Durham; May 14, 2015 at 6:31 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: " Deliberately demolishing a truthful witness and attempting to confuse them in order to undermine their testimony is probably unethical but it is certainly works."

Assuming facts not in evidence. The fact is, Crystal was not a truthful witness.

Walt-in-Durham; May 14, 2015 at 6:34 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "If Meier had properly prepared he should have had no difficulty raising the distinct possibility that Crystal acted in self-defence. He should of pointed out Daye's alcoholism (Lab results on his blood alcohol concentration; his probable delirium tremens and his admitted to drunken jealous rage)."

Alcoholism is not relevant and not admissible.

"Crystal's insistence to take the stand shows she was being truthful and wanted to say so confidently to the Court."

We know that is not the case. Why? Because, we all got to watch Crystal when she told the truth about the checks and when she lied about everything else. The difference is obvious for all to see. And, it was obvious to the jury.

"Even if Richard Jr. had to be deposed on video Meier should of raised the issue of "Brass-Knuckle Daye"'s penchant for knife-throwing and about him trying to teach that questionable art to the child."

North Carolina criminal procedure does not have a mechanism to permit depositions unless the state and the defense agree to them. Regardless, I don't see the relevance of the proposed testimony. Find a rule of evidence that says this would be relevant.

Walt-in-Durham; May 14, 2015 at 6:39 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 2:27 AM wrote: "Remember - Meier tried to bring up Daye's violent nature and history of fighting/arguing with Crystal which would have done a good job establishing she had a reason to be scared of him. There was even a neighbor who claimed to hear fighting and arguing.

Problem is - when asked about it, Crystal specially denied it. She claimed Daye was a great and gentle man who never raised his voice to her, threatened her, or anything else...."

Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!

Facts just have a pesky way of disrupting Kenny's narrative.

Walt-in-Durham; May 14, 2015 at 6:43 AM
Lance the Intern said...: "I-Pad should really make an effort to support Flash files. Flash is a lot easier to produce interactive programs than by using HTML. "

Ridiculous statement, Sid. Flash is dead. Here's just a few reasons (other than no support from Apple)

1) Multiple "zero-day" vulnerabilities across multiple web browsers

2) Youtube stopped serving videos via flash (they use HTML5 as of Jan. 2015).

3) Adobe killed the mobile Flash player for Android devices in 2011.

4) Flash is the #1 reason for computer crashes

5) Flash is closed and proprietary

6) Flash doesn't support touch based devices

Time to go back to Wake Technical, Sid.; May 14, 2015 at 8:44 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Ok Sid - show us your great legal intellect again ...

Since it was clear the Judge did not, and would not, consider an affiliation (no matter how tenuous) with Duke to be an automatic disqualifier - and those 3 never said anything that would allow them to be removed for cause - how should Meier have removed them?

Do you know how many of his peremptory challenges he used? Because, if he used all of those, and the Judge wouldn't excuse them for cause - how should he have gotten rid of them?

Once again your lack of legal knowledge combined with your delusions - makes you see issues where they don't exist.

Please tell me you really aren't this crazy and delusional and you realize what a joke you, Kenny, tinfoil and this blog are. If you really are this looney you need to be committed.

First of all, Judge Ridgeway showed his bias against Mangum by refusing to allow the close association with Duke University to be a disqualifier. Two of the people were employed by Duke and the third was married to a surgeon at the hospital where Daye had his surgery and where he eventually died.

With regards to the later, Meier had a peremptory challenge left when the surgeon's wife was up for consideration... instead he used his challenge to remove an intelligent senior citizen retired career Major in the Special Forces whose wife had had a run-in with the law (and I believe would've been much more sympathetic). Instead, Meier allowed the surgeon's wife, who nearly bent over backwards into a lotus-pretzel position like a really limber contortionist in trying to get on the jury, to be seated. It was disgusting.; May 14, 2015 at 8:57 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Lance the Intern said...
"I-Pad should really make an effort to support Flash files. Flash is a lot easier to produce interactive programs than by using HTML. "

Ridiculous statement, Sid. Flash is dead. Here's just a few reasons (other than no support from Apple)

1) Multiple "zero-day" vulnerabilities across multiple web browsers

2) Youtube stopped serving videos via flash (they use HTML5 as of Jan. 2015).

3) Adobe killed the mobile Flash player for Android devices in 2011.

4) Flash is the #1 reason for computer crashes

5) Flash is closed and proprietary

6) Flash doesn't support touch based devices

Time to go back to Wake Technical, Sid.

Hey, Lance. Thanks for the info, but can't take the time now to go back to school... concentrating on getting Crystal outa the calaboose. It'll have to be Flash for now.; May 14, 2015 at 8:59 AM
Anonymous said...: That sympathetic senior citizen thought it was appropriate his wife was convicted and sent to prison for what she did - that's sympathetic? You and Kenny have blind loyalty to someone you aren't even related to (though we can all guess the nature of the relationship) - he wouldn't even support his wife.

You really are clueless and delusional aren't you?; May 14, 2015 at 9:56 AM
Lance the Intern said...: ".... instead he used his challenge to remove an intelligent senior citizen retired career Major in the Special Forces"

Sid -- I know Crystal was discharged from the Navy after getting pregnant, and that she served for less than 2 years. Do you happen to know if her discharge from the Navy was anything other than honorable?

If so, Meier was wise to use the challenge to remove the retired SF Officer.; May 14, 2015 at 9:56 AM
kenhyderal said...: Crystal received a "General Discharge" which simply means she mutually agreed to leave the Navy because she was pregnant. There is no connotation of her service being anything but honorable.; May 14, 2015 at 10:30 AM
Lance the Intern said...: Nice try, Kenny.

There is a distinct difference between an "Honorable Discharge" and a "General Discharge".

Recipients of General Discharges usually have engaged in misconduct or have received nonjudicial punishment under Article 15, Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

For Crystal, this most likely meant that she was cited for violating Article 134 of UCMJ by starting a new sexual relationship with another sailor while still married to Kenneth McNeil.; May 14, 2015 at 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...: "ifong Supporter said...

Anonymous said...
Ok Sid - show us your great legal intellect again ...

Since it was clear the Judge did not, and would not, consider an affiliation (no matter how tenuous) with Duke to be an automatic disqualifier - and those 3 never said anything that would allow them to be removed for cause - how should Meier have removed them?

Do you know how many of his peremptory challenges he used? Because, if he used all of those, and the Judge wouldn't excuse them for cause - how should he have gotten rid of them?

Once again your lack of legal knowledge combined with your delusions - makes you see issues where they don't exist.

Please tell me you really aren't this crazy and delusional and you realize what a joke you, Kenny, tinfoil and this blog are. If you really are this looney you need to be committed.

First of all, Judge Ridgeway showed his bias against Mangum by refusing to allow the close association with Duke University to be a disqualifier. Two of the people were employed by Duke and the third was married to a surgeon at the hospital where Daye had his surgery and where he eventually died.

With regards to the later, Meier had a peremptory challenge left when the surgeon's wife was up for consideration... instead he used his challenge to remove an intelligent senior citizen retired career Major in the Special Forces whose wife had had a run-in with the law (and I believe would've been much more sympathetic). Instead, Meier allowed the surgeon's wife, who nearly bent over backwards into a lotus-pretzel position like a really limber contortionist in trying to get on the jury, to be seated. It was disgusting.

May 14, 2015 at 8:57 AM"

Sidney again reveals his Harrian incredible stupidity.; May 14, 2015 at 12:22 PM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Crystal received a "General Discharge" which simply means she mutually agreed to leave the Navy because she was pregnant. There is no connotation of her service being anything but honorable.

May 14, 2015 at 10:30 AM
Anonymous Lance the Intern said...

Nice try, Kenny.

There is a distinct difference between an "Honorable Discharge" and a "General Discharge".

Recipients of General Discharges usually have engaged in misconduct or have received nonjudicial punishment under Article 15, Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

For Crystal, this most likely meant that she was cited for violating Article 134 of UCMJ by starting a new sexual relationship with another sailor while still married to Kenneth McNeil.

May 14, 2015 at 10:50 AM"

kenny again reveals his kenhyderalian incredible stupidity; May 14, 2015 at 12:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny is, as always, still ignoring the question about how Meier tried to portray Daye as angry and abusive and Crystal herself disputed that. Why did she do that Kenny? Meier tried - even got other witnesses to say it - Crystal called them all liars.

Explain.

Oh and she was discharged because she got pregnant to a married man while she was married - and he wasn't her husband and she wasn't his wife.

But, Kenny - please explain how it's Meier's fault that he tried to show an abusive relationship but Crystal denied it. Obviously you blame Meier for that, not Crystal.; May 14, 2015 at 12:27 PM
kenhyderal said...: Up until that night, despite being intoxicated most of the time, Daye had not demonstrated to Crystal any homicidal jealous rages. His extreme intoxication that night tipped him into this rampage.; May 14, 2015 at 4:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Did you have any role in the adultery that led to Mangum's discharge?; May 14, 2015 at 4:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Do you have credible support for your 4:30 comment or did you make the statement because you thought it would help Crystal?; May 14, 2015 at 4:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Why did the neighbors lie about hearing earlier arguments?; May 14, 2015 at 4:44 PM
kenhyderal said...: Adultery being crime in the US Military is an example of an anachronistic rule from the 18th Century that makes absolutely no sense. In reality it is a joke.; May 14, 2015 at 4:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

When are you going to demonstrate how easy it is to support a self defense plea?

You have refused to do so to date.; May 14, 2015 at 4:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Did you commit adultery with her?; May 14, 2015 at 4:47 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Do you have credible support for your 4:30 comment or did you make the statement because you thought it would help Crystal" Yes, his horrendous blood alcohol reading, the kicked in bathroom door, the clumps of hair ripped from Crystal's head, his statement about losing it after being disrespected; May 14, 2015 at 4:50 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Did she commit adultery with you?; May 14, 2015 at 4:50 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Your 4:50 statement comment no support for the first sentence of your 4:30 comment.; May 14, 2015 at 4:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Why aren't you willing to do anything to help Crystal?; May 14, 2015 at 4:55 PM
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Anonymous said...: Ok - Kenny and Sid are now in conflict - Sid points to the prior abuse by Daye - which he says required a visit to the doctor the week prior, but he acknowledges Crystal denied.

Kenny seems to say no prior abuse at all until that night, though he faults Meier for not bringing up how angry and mean Daye was.

No wonder Crystal changes her story all the time - that's what her friends do.

Meier was wrong for not bringing up the temper and issues until it's pointed out that he tried and Meier denied it, then there wasn't an issue until that night.

Good one Kenny.; May 15, 2015 at 6:03 AM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "Hey, Lance. Thanks for the info, but can't take the time now to go back to school... concentrating on getting Crystal outa the calaboose. It'll have to be Flash for now."

Once again Sid shows how unwilling he is to learn.

Walt-in-Durham; May 15, 2015 at 6:16 AM
Lance the Intern said...: "Adultery being crime in the US Military is an example of an anachronistic rule from the 18th Century that makes absolutely no sense. In reality it is a joke."

Why single out the US Military? The Canadian Armed Forces have rules against sexual misconduct as well.; May 15, 2015 at 7:39 AM
kenhyderal said...: Obviously these laws/regulations don't apply to Commander's in Chief or in WW11 to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces; May 15, 2015 at 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...: " Blogger kenhyderal said...

Obviously these laws/regulations don't apply to Commander's in Chief or in WW11 to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces

May 15, 2015 at 8:30 AM"

Here incredibly stupid kenny shows typical canadian jealousy of the US.; May 15, 2015 at 8:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Incredibly stupid and jealous kenny should check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_Summersby#Relationship_with_Eisenhower.Yes there were rumors of Eisenhower's relationship with Kay Summersby, but the rumors have never been definitively poven true.

Leave it to an incredibly stupid canadian to accept as true sordid rumors about Americans he dislikes.

That is why he believes Crystalwas raped at the Lacrosse party.; May 15, 2015 at 8:44 AM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: Still at it Ubes? Spin Ubes spin.

QUACK QUACK QUACK go Ubes and the liestopper cranks.; May 15, 2015 at 9:48 AM
guiowen said...: Quick,Kenny! Kilgo is back! Better get to him before he disappears!; May 15, 2015 at 10:05 AM
kenhyderal said...: The Great Kilgo never posted anonymously.; May 15, 2015 at 10:18 AM
Anonymous said...: "THE GREAT KILGO said...

Still at it Ubes? Spin Ubes spin.

QUACK QUACK QUACK go Ubes and the liestopper cranks.

May 15, 2015 at 9:48 AM"

Who is Ubes?; May 15, 2015 at 10:39 AM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

The Great Kilgo never posted anonymously.

May 15, 2015 at 10:18 AM"

But he posted lies which kenny believes because thr lies were about people incredibly stupid kenny disliked.; May 15, 2015 at 10:42 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "Obviously these laws/regulations don't apply to Commander's in Chief or in WW11 to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces."

Bzzzzzzt - Run him!

The two wrongs make it right argument. We haven't heard that one for a while. It's an oldie and a moldie for sure. Still doesn't work. I would have thought Kenny and Sid had grown up a little. But, I was wrong. They are still behaving like a pair of juvenile delinquents.

Walt-in-Durham; May 15, 2015 at 12:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny - not that you ever had much, but you are losing whatever shred of credibility you may have had on the issue by refusing to address why Crystal liec about the fact Day had hit her and raised his voice before - which would have been very helpful for self-defense - and which Meier tried to bring in until Crystal denied it.

Please explain.; May 15, 2015 at 12:34 PM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: Ahhhh kenhyderal, how little you know.; May 15, 2015 at 2:38 PM
Anonymous said...: WW11? Was that after WW09 and WW10 and before WW12?; May 15, 2015 at 3:00 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Kenny - not that you ever had much, but you are losing whatever shred of credibility you may have had on the issue by refusing to address why Crystal liec about the fact Day had hit her and raised his voice before - which would have been very helpful for self-defense - and which Meier tried to bring in until Crystal denied it"....... Crystal testified truthfully. Despite his previous history with her, on the night she stabbed him in self-defence, he was in a drunken rage trying to choke her to death. Crystal is a moral person who naively believed the truth would free her.; May 15, 2015 at 3:46 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "WW11? Was that after WW09 and WW10 and before WW12?

Whoops II not 11; May 15, 2015 at 3:48 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "But he posted lies which kenny believes because thr lies were about people incredibly stupid kenny disliked ....... Do you mind if I add in the punctuation that you omitted? Can I add a comma after people and after Kenny?; May 15, 2015 at 3:54 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Ahhhh kenhyderal, how little you know" ........ "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known" 1 Corinthians 13: 12; May 15, 2015 at 4:04 PM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Kenny - not that you ever had much, but you are losing whatever shred of credibility you may have had on the issue by refusing to address why Crystal liec about the fact Day had hit her and raised his voice before - which would have been very helpful for self-defense - and which Meier tried to bring in until Crystal denied it"....... Crystal testified truthfully. Despite his previous history with her, on the night she stabbed him in self-defence, he was in a drunken rage trying to choke her to death. Crystal is a moral person who naively believed the truth would free her.

May 15, 2015 at 3:46 PM"

Yet again kenny shows his incredible stupidity.; May 15, 2015 at 5:12 PM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "But he posted lies which kenny believes because thr lies were about people incredibly stupid kenny disliked ....... Do you mind if I add in the punctuation that you omitted? Can I add a comma after people and after Kenny?

May 15, 2015 at 3:54 PM"

Now you think you know grammar.; May 15, 2015 at 5:14 PM
Anonymous said...: But try to understand
Try to understand
Try try try to understand
Ken's a magic man.; May 15, 2015 at 6:42 PM
Anonymous said...: So, if Crystal testified truthfully Sid is lying about the abuse the week before? Oh and Crystal gave a TV interview where she said Saye hit her the week before.

How can she be telling the truth when she has said that he never struck her before and said they he had struck her before.

You are such an idiot. We all know what it is about Crystal you miss and it's not her conversation skills.; May 15, 2015 at 8:00 PM
kenhyderal supporter said...: As kenhyderal has explained several times, Crystal has suffered from PTSD since the lacrosse party. It is only to be expected that she would not remember entirely the events leading up to the fight with Daye.; May 16, 2015 at 5:12 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny, stop pretending your girl is perfect.

In court she said Daye had never touched her, yelled at her, hit her (not just that she wasn't scared).

To the media after the trial she said he'd struck her before and she had to be taken to the doctor as a result (something you and Sid have confirmed).

Now, Sid admits Crystal lied - but claims Meier told her to (which has been explained is t credible because I'd Crystal says Meier tod her to lie, and could prove it she'd get her new trial). You claim Crystal never lied (which shows your delusion).

But - she clearly lied either in court or to the media - which one, and why? Prior abuse was extremely helpful to self-defense, Meier tried to get it in, Crystal denied it.

Why did your girl lie Kenny?; May 16, 2015 at 5:30 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Kenhyderal wrote: "Obviously these laws/regulations don't apply to Commander's in Chief or in WW11 to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces."

Bzzzzzzt - Run him!

The two wrongs make it right argument. We haven't heard that one for a while. It's an oldie and a moldie for sure. Still doesn't work. I would have thought Kenny and Sid had grown up a little. But, I was wrong. They are still behaving like a pair of juvenile delinquents.

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt.

You and other detractors continually talk about Mangum lying... Well, I've already caught Nichols in perjured testimony with his claim about the spleen being removed at surgery. However, the other perjured testimony, which is a whopper, will be revealed for the first time in my next sharlog. It'll be posted no later than Tuesday the 19th. It'll be more than grounds enough to overturn Mangum's conviction.; May 16, 2015 at 7:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

You are lying. You have not caught Nichols in perjured testimony. You have caught him making a mistake.; May 16, 2015 at 7:49 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Sid wrote: "Hey, Lance. Thanks for the info, but can't take the time now to go back to school... concentrating on getting Crystal outa the calaboose. It'll have to be Flash for now."

Once again Sid shows how unwilling he is to learn.

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt... there's a difference between being too busy and being unwilling to learn.

Flash is the only animation program I know, and I think it is an excellent one as far as production concerns go. I've done a little animation using HTML, but it is extremely tedious and the end result not as satisfactory. In fact, the opening of my website (which has been terribly neglected) has the members faces rotating by use of HTML.

It has been suggested that I return to a more traditional blog with the written word, however the sharlog is what makes my blog site unique and special. So I think I'll continue to use them.; May 16, 2015 at 7:53 AM
Anonymous said...: No, Sid,

What makes your blog site unique is your consistent lack of judgment and refusal to answer questions or correct your errors.; May 16, 2015 at 7:55 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid,

You are lying. You have not caught Nichols in perjured testimony. You have caught him making a mistake.

The mistake he made was lying. What is your position? He said twice on the witness stand that the spleen had been removed at surgery. Meier was at fault for not challenging that statement by bringing up Nichols' autopsy report in which he described the organ.

So, tell me. Did Dr. Nichols lie about the spleen being removed at surgery, or did he lie when he dictated his findings for the autopsy report?; May 16, 2015 at 7:57 AM
Anonymous said...: He made a mistake. He was overworked and incompetent.; May 16, 2015 at 8:00 AM
Anonymous said...: I should apologize to you for claiming that you are lying about Nichols committing perjury. You are also mistaken.; May 16, 2015 at 8:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

Nichols made a mistake. He was wrong. He made an error.

You have not provided a credible motive for lying.; May 16, 2015 at 8:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid - nothing you post here is enough to get Mangum out of custody - you have to present it in the proper channels.

Plus as has always been discussed, nothing Nichols says or does affects self-defense - crystal is still a convicted felon.

And you've admitted Crystal lied about Daye and prior abuse. So why should the jury trust her on anything?; May 16, 2015 at 8:28 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: Absolutely wrong. I, like all people who actually know Crystal personally find her to be completely credible. She was deliberately and unfairly badgered by Coggins-Franks in an effort to confuse and any inconsequential discrepancy was labeled as a lie.; May 16, 2015 at 8:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal supporter,

I completely agree. In the same way, Sidney and the media unfairly badgered her prior to her arson trial in an effort to confuse her. Her statement that she did not know who set Walker's clothes on fire, in constraint to her admission that she did so in her videotaped confession and in her subsequent interview on Wives with Knives, was an inconsequential discrepancy labeled as a lie.; May 16, 2015 at 9:01 AM
Anonymous said...: "Nifong Supporter said...

Walt said...
Kenhyderal wrote: "Obviously these laws/regulations don't apply to Commander's in Chief or in WW11 to the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces."

Bzzzzzzt - Run him!

The two wrongs make it right argument. We haven't heard that one for a while. It's an oldie and a moldie for sure. Still doesn't work. I would have thought Kenny and Sid had grown up a little. But, I was wrong. They are still behaving like a pair of juvenile delinquents.

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt.

You and other detractors continually talk about Mangum lying... Well, I've already caught Nichols in perjured testimony with his claim about the spleen being removed at surgery. However, the other perjured testimony, which is a whopper, will be revealed for the first time in my next sharlog. It'll be posted no later than Tuesday the 19th. It'll be more than grounds enough to overturn Mangum's conviction.

May 16, 2015 at 7:47 AM"

Again sid manifests his incredible stupidity. One so heavily invested in believing untruths is incapable of identifying perjury, and he is stupid if he thinks he can.; May 16, 2015 at 9:21 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

Good luck trying to convince anyone that Mangum is credible. She has been caught telling too many lies for anyone to buy that.; May 16, 2015 at 4:34 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "To the media after the trial she said he'd struck her before and she had to be taken to the doctor as a result".............. No she did not. Listen to the Tamara Gibbs interview; May 16, 2015 at 9:33 PM
Anonymous said...: So Sid is lying when he talks about Larry OBriant, and the urgent care visit?; May 17, 2015 at 4:09 AM
Anonymous said...: The interview that aire she denied abuse, Sid claims to have proof of abuse, on the stand she denied abuse.

Also she still clearly shows her delusion - calling it a 1cm knife wound.

Sid ... Kenny is calling you a liar - you have said Daye had previously abused Crystal, and she was instructed to ,ie on the stand. Kenny claims every word out of Crystal's mouth on the stand was true - and Daye had never struck her or abused her, in any way, prior to that day.

So, Sid - either please explain why you are lying to us, or explain why Kenny is lying to us.; May 17, 2015 at 4:23 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: I’m a personal friend of Crystal Mangum. Ever since Crystal had the temerity to report she had been raped by the entitled sons of privilege at Duke she has faced relentless vilification by them and by Trial Lawyers seeking compensation on their behalf. This has gone on relentlessly for many years, on an daily basis, in places like the blog “Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers” where she has been characterized as a mentally unstable, drug addicted prostitute. None of these people even know Crystal other then by this widely disseminated caricature. Those of us who do know her, friends, family, her pastor, her professors and her fellow students do not recognize her as this person they see so freely vilified. The wide acceptance of these slanders made it difficult for her to find accommodation, especially after the arson charge she faced but was not convicted of. With three children, she felt bad about having to impose on friends to give her a place to stay. That guilt, caused her to accept offers by men like Walker and Daye. Walker suffers from schizophrenia and admits he initiated that confrontation. Daye was a chronic alcoholic. His self-admitted motive was a jealous rage. Crystal has, absolutely, no motive other then defending herself, to stab Daye. In fact, she was grateful to him for allowing her to share his apartment. I pray that there will be some grounds, accepted, for an appeal and she can get a new trial, where that jury will see the obvious.; May 17, 2015 at 5:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney,

When are you going to post the transcript? It would be helpful to the discussion if all readers were able to analyze the testimony directly.

Thanks.; May 17, 2015 at 6:04 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "He (Dr. Nichols) made a mistake. He was overworked and incompetent...... His biggest mistake was not about the spleen but concluding that the cause of death was complications of the stab wound. That Dr. Roberts went along with this tells me she would rather confirm the diagnosis of an incompetent overworked colleague then to accuse Duke Hospital of malpractice. Her review failed to really investigate the death but to only, in a gentle way, critique Dr. Nicholls sloppy work. The problem is an innocent woman is paying the price for this cover-up. The lesson for us is, those who practice law or medicine in North Carolina, if they want their career to prosper, will always side with Duke University over any poor minority.; May 17, 2015 at 3:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny - you are ignoring the question:

You say Crystal testified totally truthfully under oath - she said, point blank, that Daye had never struck her, yelled at her, or anything else. There was no ambiguity about if she was scared or not / he NEVER raised his voice or struck her or anything else - the neighbor was lying.

Sid has provided documents and statements that he claims shows that Larry O'Brient took Crystal to the doctor the week before after Daye struck her, and he's criticized Meier for not bringing it up - and claims Crystal did lie, but under orders from Meier.

Are you wrong, or is Sid a liar who manufactures evidence to prove his point? Either Crystal lied, or Sid is committing a fraud on us all with fake evidence.

Which is it? I know you will probably ignore this (you do when the answer doesn't fit your worldview) but I think it's important since it puts you and Sid at direct odds with each other.; May 17, 2015 at 3:47 PM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "He (Dr. Nichols) made a mistake. He was overworked and incompetent...... His biggest mistake was not about the spleen but concluding that the cause of death was complications of the stab wound. That Dr. Roberts went along with this tells me she would rather confirm the diagnosis of an incompetent overworked colleague then to accuse Duke Hospital of malpractice. Her review failed to really investigate the death but to only, in a gentle way, critique Dr. Nicholls sloppy work. The problem is an innocent woman is paying the price for this cover-up. The lesson for us is, those who practice law or medicine in North Carolina, if they want their career to prosper, will always side with Duke University over any poor minority.

May 17, 2015 at 3:31 PM"

Once gain kenny manifests his incredible stupidity, thinking he is knowledgeable about matters about which he is totally ignorant.; May 17, 2015 at 4:28 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 17, 2015 at 9:10 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Which is it? I know you will probably ignore this (you do when the answer doesn't fit your worldview) but I think it's important since it puts you and Sid at direct odds with each other'......... As usual a loaded question, formulated to drive a wedge between myself and Dr. Harr. You should read, carefully, O' Brient's statement to the police, given during the investigation of Daye's stabbing. At that time he said he drove her to a clinic 3 weeks before but he only speculated that a bruise on her face was inflicted by Daye. This impression was reinforced when Crystal told him not to contact her because of Daye's jealousy. Dr. Harr probably jumped to the same conclusion.; May 17, 2015 at 9:13 PM
Anonymous said...: No Dr. Hart explicitly stated it was from abuse - Dr. Harr - please clarify - are you lying about the prior abuse or is Kenny?; May 18, 2015 at 4:40 AM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "Well, I've already caught Nichols in perjured testimony with his claim about the spleen being removed at surgery."

No you haven't. Perjury is a knowingly false statement of a material fact. You were not present at the autopsy. You don't know if the report is in error, or the testimony is. The spleen is not material to the diagnosis. So, it does not matter. On the other hand, Crystal's lies were material in that they went to her case for self defense.

"However, the other perjured testimony, which is a whopper, will be revealed for the first time in my next sharlog."

No it isn't a "whopper." You don't know what the definition of perjury is, so I'll trust you don't know what is and what is not a whopper.

.... It'll be more than grounds enough to overturn Mangum's conviction."

No it won't. You keep disregarding the law and the facts. There is no reason to believe you have learned and changed.

Walt-in-Durham; May 18, 2015 at 6:29 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said "are you lying about the prior abuse or is Kenny"............... You label everything you disagree with a lie and everyone you disagree with a liar. It kind of reminds me of the grade school chant "liar, liar, pants on fire, nose as long as the telephone wire". Grow up. Present you arguments, such as they are and try to convince others instead of the invariable hurling of epithets you engage in. There is no intentional effort to deceive by myself or Dr. Harr; May 18, 2015 at 8:16 AM
Anonymous said...: No not everything we disagree with is alive - but you say emphatically it didn't happen, a Crystal and Sid say it did, though she admittedly denied it on the stand. Someone is lying.; May 18, 2015 at 8:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Yet you claim there is intent to deceive by everyone who you disagree with - they are all in a conspiracy and lying. Pot, meet Kenny.; May 18, 2015 at 8:39 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

There is no intentional effort to deceive by myself or Dr. Harr

May 18, 2015 at 8:16 AM"

Now incredibly stupid kenny is into incredible denial.; May 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM
kenhyderal said...: The conspiracy is not vast. Most of those, who I disagree with, are, themselves, victims, having been unwittingly brainwashed by the concerted and ongoing effort to discredit Crystal for seeking justice in her sexual assault kidnapping and robbery. The liars are those who have deliberately disseminated lies about Crystal labelling her a drug addict, a prostitute and a liar. The majority of people here and throughout North Carolina have been duped by this conspiracy; so far, a successful, albeit it dishonest, strategy to acquit the guilty.; May 18, 2015 at 9:40 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: " ...dishonest, strategy to acquit the guilty."

That is Sid and Kenny's strategy for sure. Dishonesty, to try and acquit the guilty Crystal of the murder of Daye.

Walt-in-Durham; May 18, 2015 at 10:32 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

The conspiracy is not vast. Most of those, who I disagree with, are, themselves, victims, having been unwittingly brainwashed by the concerted and ongoing effort to discredit Crystal for seeking justice in her sexual assault kidnapping and robbery. The liars are those who have deliberately disseminated lies about Crystal labelling her a drug addict, a prostitute and a liar. The majority of people here and throughout North Carolina have been duped by this conspiracy; so far, a successful, albeit it dishonest, strategy to acquit the guilty.

May 18, 2015 at 9:40 AM"

Once again kenny manifests his incredible stupidity.; May 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM
Anonymous said...: It's so funny seeing Sid and Kenny try to avoid calling each other out.

Sid, it's very simple:

You have said Daye had abuse Crystal before that night - and blamed Meier for not bringing it out, and saying that you believe Meier instructed Crystal to lie.

Kenny says there was no prior abuse, and Crystal told the truth on the stand.

Which of you is telling the truth, and which is lying?

Or, if you want to give you the benefit you give no one else - which of you is mistaken?

And, pointing out other lies doesn't change it - remember, Nichols has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, only what crime - self-defense (where the prior abuse is absolutely relevant) dealt directly with guilty v. not guilty.

So, Sid, you the liar, or Kenny the liar? Or were you mistaken and now retract your claims about the prior abuse?; May 19, 2015 at 5:07 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
So Sid is lying when he talks about Larry OBriant, and the urgent care visit?

As you may know, I have weekly visits with Crystal, and have sought clarification about that visit to the urgent care that occurred prior to the stabbing incident. According to Mangum, Daye struck her in the face, she believes accidentally, while they were playfully wrestling. She did not consider it to be abusive. The following evening, the pain from that blow the day before prompted her to ask her friend O'Briant to take her to the urgent care.

Since finding the statement by O'Briant about the urgent care visit, I had been under the belief that it was the result of domestic abuse... but Mangum has consistently maintained it was accidental. Ergo, I have not been stressing the issue as I did when I initially found the statement in prosecution discovery.

Crystal did say, however, that due to Daye's jealous nature, she was forced to contact Larry O'Briant and tell him that he was no longer to call her or give her rides.

I hope that adequate elucidation has been thus provided on this issue.; May 19, 2015 at 9:31 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

I have been having problems with the production of my latest sharlog, but have just now concluded that it is necessary for me to put it into two parts. Whenever I've tried to make it as one Flash file, I end up having trouble with its production. Very frustrating; especially since the file is not that large. So anyway, as soon as I am able to get it into two files, I will post it. Also, keep in mind that this sharlog will introduce an extremely important aspect related to the Mangum trial... an incidence of gross perjury by an important witness.

As you were.; May 19, 2015 at 9:35 AM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know evil duke troll?

What is the socially acceptable way to behave on a bridge over-run with cyberbullying, lying evil duke trolls? Seriously.

May 2, 2015 at 4:31 PM"

Boy are you stressed.; May 19, 2015 at 10:15 AM
Anonymous said...: " Nifong Supporter said...

HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

I have been having problems with the production of my latest sharlog, but have just now concluded that it is necessary for me to put it into two parts. Whenever I've tried to make it as one Flash file, I end up having trouble with its production. Very frustrating; especially since the file is not that large. So anyway, as soon as I am able to get it into two files, I will post it. Also, keep in mind that this sharlog will introduce an extremely important aspect related to the Mangum trial... an incidence of gross perjury by an important witness.

As you were.

May 19, 2015 at 9:35 AM"

sid, someone as incredibly stupid about the truth as you are is incapable of detecting perjury.; May 19, 2015 at 10:17 AM
Anonymous said...: " Nifong Supporter said...

Anonymous said...
So Sid is lying when he talks about Larry OBriant, and the urgent care visit?

As you may know, I have weekly visits with Crystal, and have sought clarification about that visit to the urgent care that occurred prior to the stabbing incident. According to Mangum, Daye struck her in the face, she believes accidentally, while they were playfully wrestling. She did not consider it to be abusive. The following evening, the pain from that blow the day before prompted her to ask her friend O'Briant to take her to the urgent care.

Since finding the statement by O'Briant about the urgent care visit, I had been under the belief that it was the result of domestic abuse... but Mangum has consistently maintained it was accidental. Ergo, I have not been stressing the issue as I did when I initially found the statement in prosecution discovery.

Crystal did say, however, that due to Daye's jealous nature, she was forced to contact Larry O'Briant and tell him that he was no longer to call her or give her rides.

I hope that adequate elucidation has been thus provided on this issue.

May 19, 2015 at 9:31 AM"

sid,you have never offered any factual evidence to establish the truth of this allegation. Not surprising considering your incredible stupidity regarding what is truth.; May 19, 2015 at 10:21 AM
The Rectumfinder said...: What is the socially acceptable way to behave on a bridge over-run with cyberbullying, lying evil duke trolls? Seriously.

I would suggest that you stick your head up your a$$ and then fart.; May 19, 2015 at 10:47 AM
Anonymous said...: So ... once again, you made assumptions, and accusations, and blamed people and accused them of being traitors and turncoats and poisoned their relationship with Crystal because of shit you make up.

You are lucky everyone realizes what a joke you are - there are numerous people who could sue you for defamation, but they obviously realize you aren't remotely worth the time.; May 19, 2015 at 11:10 AM
Anonymous said...: No decision on the appeal today - the next Opinion date is June 2, 2015.; May 19, 2015 at 11:11 AM
Anonymous said...: So, Sid - let's look at a few of the things you've been completely wrong about - though you refuse to acknowledge them - claiming they are just mistakes, not deliberate lies to manipulate Crystal and get her to lose trust in her attorneys:

1. Felony Murder - never was a factor.

2. Pre-trial motions to dismiss Larceny of Chose in Action - no such procedure (and while you claimed it was important because of #1, as shown, #1 was never in play - so not important).

3. Not admitting Daye's prior record - which was inadmissible.

4. Not bringing up Daye's prior abuse of Crystal and Larry O'Briant - which you now admit you fabricated and assumed.

5. The "hidden experts" - which you made a huge issue out of, then got the data from IDS, which showed you were completely wrong.

6. The Roberts' Report - which agrees with Dr. Nichols's conclusions, so is not exculpatory (despite your claims).

The list goes on and on.

Have you been right about anything?; May 20, 2015 at 1:32 PM
Lance the Intern said...: Anonymous @ 1:32 PM:

Sid has consistently spelled Dr. Clay Nichols' name correctly.

While not much, it's more than Kenhyderal has been able to do.; May 20, 2015 at 2:24 PM
Anonymous said...: As usual a loaded question, formulated to drive a wedge between myself and Dr. Harr. You should read, carefully, O' Brient's statement to the police, given during the investigation of Daye's stabbing. At that time he said he drove her to a clinic 3 weeks before but he only speculated that a bruise on her face was inflicted by Daye. This impression was reinforced when Crystal told him not to contact her because of Daye's jealousy. Dr. Harr probably jumped to the same conclusion.

So, Dr. Harr jumps to conclusions, and bashes Meier and the other lawyers, even though it seems like they perhaps actually talked to Crystal and knew that evidence wasn't good? You mean Crystal's attorneys actually did something right? Oh lord, hell is freezing over ...; May 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM
Anonymous said...: If her lawyer did things right - he would have questioned her about it on the stand so that she could explain the discrepancy and you wouldn't have had to troll Dr. Harr for days, months, years on end about it on this blog and continually determine she is guilty because you or the jury assume she was lying about it due to the way the prosecution questioned her about it.; May 20, 2015 at 5:30 PM
Anonymous said...: If the lawyer did it right - he asked her ahead of time how she'd answer those questions and justify her findings, and upon realizing her answers would hurt Crystal, try to keep her report from the State and try to keep her off the stand. Which is exacly what happened. It was Sid and Kenny who tried to poison everything.

The attorney asked questions ahead of time - not on the stand, and decides if something is helpful or harmful despite what whining, lying Kenny and Sid say.; May 20, 2015 at 5:58 PM
Anonymous said...: The jury (and you) needed to hear the answer from Ms. Mangum since noone else was available to testify about the fact. Mr. Meier was not prepared to defend her adequately - so he didn't.; May 20, 2015 at 6:07 PM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 6:07 PM wrote: "The jury (and you) needed to hear the answer from Ms. Mangum since noone else was available to testify about the fact. Mr. Meier was not prepared to defend her adequately - so he didn't."

With friend's like Anon at 6:07, Crystal really doesn't need any enemies.

Think that idea through. Crystal, who is not a fact witness to Daye's medical treatment tries to testify about it on the stand. How does that happen? She's not a fact witness. That is she didn't see any of his medical treatment, so she can't testify to it. She has no specialized knowledge that would make her an expert, so she can't testify along those lines.

How then would Crystal get in evidence about Daye's medical treatment? With an independent medical examiner! Wonder of all wonders, one of Crystal's lawyers obtained an IME. Care to guess what the IME was going to testify to? Yeah, no guessing required, Dr. Roberts was going to testify that the cause of death was a stab wound. Ouch. that hurts the chances for an acquittal.

Anon, you just sent your client to prison for the big bit. Care to tell us how great a lawyer you are now?

Walt-in-Durham; May 20, 2015 at 8:06 PM
kenhyderal said...: @ Walt: Meier needed to tell the jury, in his opening remarks, that Crystal did not murder Reginald Daye and that he would present evidence that this was not the case. He then needed to subpoena Physicians who successful repaired his wound and other Physicians and Medical Personnel who, in treating his presumptive delirium tremens, accidentally killed him, by making a grave medical error; vague assumptions by the two Medical Examiners notwithstanding,one of which showed lack of care in his critical work and I further contend neither of them or any of Crystals Attorneys ever questioned anyone involved in Daye's actual treatment relying instead on the less then candid medical notes about this obvious case of medical malpractice. Then, I would rely on Judge Ridgeway's instructions regarding sole cause that excludes Welch; May 20, 2015 at 9:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Walt, excuse me but you seriously need to get a grip. You are the only lawyer commenting on this blog because all other lawyers are apparently aware that what you are doing on this blog is not ethical perhaps?

You cannot say you know what the defense medical examiner would testify to in relation to her statement that the death was due to a series of events that occurred after a knife wound. Not in the least. That is what the trial was for. If Mr. Meier was prepared to defend Ms. Mangum, he most certainly would have questioned her to discredit what the state's medical examiner documented in a report used to wrongly charge and convict his client. In addition, he would have had her explain the true reason for Mr. Daye's demise - which would have been excessive alcohol consumption as evidence by his blood/alcohol reading and an intubation procedure preceeded by DT treatment and diagnosis that ended with malpractice leading to brain death and a week on life support ending in ultimate death at their hands with the family's permission.

On this blog, Ms. Mangum is guilty until proven dead to you and the evil duke troll gang it seems ... none of that guilty until proven innocent from ya'll ... ya'll learned your lesson on that one - right? ???; May 21, 2015 at 1:24 AM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

@ Walt: Meier needed to tell the jury, in his opening remarks, that Crystal did not murder Reginald Daye and that he would present evidence that this was not the case. He then needed to subpoena Physicians who successful repaired his wound and other Physicians and Medical Personnel who, in treating his presumptive delirium tremens, accidentally killed him, by making a grave medical error; vague assumptions by the two Medical Examiners notwithstanding,one of which showed lack of care in his critical work and I further contend neither of them or any of Crystals Attorneys ever questioned anyone involved in Daye's actual treatment relying instead on the less then candid medical notes about this obvious case of medical malpractice. Then, I would rely on Judge Ridgeway's instructions regarding sole cause that excludes Welch

May 20, 2015 at 9:04 PM"

Again kenny shows his incredible stupidity.; May 21, 2015 at 3:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Again, Kenny and Anon assume Meier didn't ask Dr. Roberts and others these questions before - he most likely did and knew the answers wouldn't be helpful.

Idiots, whiners, liars.; May 21, 2015 at 4:19 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "Meier needed to tell the jury, in his opening remarks, that Crystal did not murder Reginald Daye and that he would present evidence that this was not the case. He then needed to subpoena Physicians who successful repaired his wound and other Physicians and Medical Personnel who, in treating his presumptive delirium tremens, accidentally killed him, by making a grave medical error; vague assumptions by the two Medical Examiners notwithstanding,one of which showed lack of care in his critical work"

That won't work, and any lawyer knows it. First, thanks to Sid, the state knew that the Defense expert would contradict that argument. Had Meir made such an opening statement, Dr. Roberts would have been the state's prime rebuttal witness. Then, you would have had a valid criticism of Meier.

Second, you have no knowledge that Meier or another of Crystal's lawyers did not interview Daye's treating physicians. I suspect they did and the physicians refused to comment as Daye has a right, even in death, to privacy in his medical treatment. However, if any of them did talk, I think they would have agreed with the two physicians who could testify. Daye died as a result of the stab wound.

"and I further contend neither of them or any of Crystals Attorneys ever questioned anyone involved in Daye's actual treatment relying instead on the less then candid medical notes about this obvious case of medical malpractice. Then, I would rely on Judge Ridgeway's instructions regarding sole cause that excludes Welch"

You do know that the jury instruction is based on Welch? Of course not. You disregard the law and facts when they don't suit you.

Walt-in-Durham; May 21, 2015 at 4:28 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
If the lawyer did it right - he asked her ahead of time how she'd answer those questions and justify her findings, and upon realizing her answers would hurt Crystal, try to keep her report from the State and try to keep her off the stand. Which is exacly what happened. It was Sid and Kenny who tried to poison everything.

The attorney asked questions ahead of time - not on the stand, and decides if something is helpful or harmful despite what whining, lying Kenny and Sid say.

What I had planned to mention in my next sharlog (which has been put on hold due to problems with the Flash program) is that the State's biggest eyewitness, Aykia Hanes committed perjury. Not only that, but Mangum's turncoat attorney Meier could've impeached her entire testimony... but he did not. That is because he was conspiring with the prosecution against his own client.

I recently realize this because my attention had been previously focused on the medical examiner issues of the case. When putting together my investigation I came across evidence that proved beyond doubt that Ms. Hanes gave perjured testimony at trial and that Daniel Meier allowed misleading and false testimony from Ms. Hanes to result in Mangum's conviction. I plan to have a brief sharlog online soon with the evidence.; May 21, 2015 at 7:31 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Kenhyderal wrote: "Meier needed to tell the jury, in his opening remarks, that Crystal did not murder Reginald Daye and that he would present evidence that this was not the case. He then needed to subpoena Physicians who successful repaired his wound and other Physicians and Medical Personnel who, in treating his presumptive delirium tremens, accidentally killed him, by making a grave medical error; vague assumptions by the two Medical Examiners notwithstanding,one of which showed lack of care in his critical work"

That won't work, and any lawyer knows it. First, thanks to Sid, the state knew that the Defense expert would contradict that argument. Had Meir made such an opening statement, Dr. Roberts would have been the state's prime rebuttal witness. Then, you would have had a valid criticism of Meier.

Second, you have no knowledge that Meier or another of Crystal's lawyers did not interview Daye's treating physicians. I suspect they did and the physicians refused to comment as Daye has a right, even in death, to privacy in his medical treatment. However, if any of them did talk, I think they would have agreed with the two physicians who could testify. Daye died as a result of the stab wound.

"and I further contend neither of them or any of Crystals Attorneys ever questioned anyone involved in Daye's actual treatment relying instead on the less then candid medical notes about this obvious case of medical malpractice. Then, I would rely on Judge Ridgeway's instructions regarding sole cause that excludes Welch"

You do know that the jury instruction is based on Welch? Of course not. You disregard the law and facts when they don't suit you.

Walt-in-Durham

Walt, Dr. Nichols is not the only one to commit perjury in Mangum's case... so did the star witness for the prosecution Aykia Hanes. Mangum alerted Meier of the falsity in Aykia's statements, and Meier had the opportunity to destroy Aykia during cross-examination, but he refused to do so. Proof that Meier was trying to sabotage his client and have her convicted.

Get ready to put in your order for a crying towel, Walt. Mangum's exoneration and freedom is just around the corner.; May 21, 2015 at 7:36 AM
Anonymous said...: Nothing you present here will do anything for Mangum - you would need to find an attorney to file the proper paperwork in Court. No matter what you come up with here, the Court will not look at it, nor will they look at your letters and CDs that you keep mailing to them. She would either have to file the appropriate paperwork herself, or an attorney would have to file it for her.

But, again, you and Kenny keep ignoring that the entire relevant issue was where they were when Crystal stabbed Daye - and since his story was consistent with the physical evidence, and hers was not - they believed Daye. No one but Daye and Crystal knew exactly what happened in that apartment - and Daye's version was more consistent with the physical evidence, and thus more believable.

I'm sure this next sharlog will be based on the same debunked assumptions and mis-statements of the law as your other ones.; May 21, 2015 at 7:42 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Lance the Intern said...
Anonymous @ 1:32 PM:

Sid has consistently spelled Dr. Clay Nichols' name correctly.

While not much, it's more than Kenhyderal has been able to do.

Hey, Lance. Can you spell "Aykia Hanes"? That's the name of the State's witness who said she heard Daye say "leave me alone" and "get the hell out." However, Prosecutor Coggins-Franks could not get Ms. Hanes to say on the stand that she heard Mangum say "I'm going to f___ you up." The prosecutor had to have Officer Bond mention on the witness stand that Aykia Hanes told her that she heard Mangum say "I'm going to f___ you up."

The prosecution's case is dead in the water due to serious perjury by important prosecution witnesses. Only a matter of time before the truth sets Mangum free.; May 21, 2015 at 7:43 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Nothing you present here will do anything for Mangum - you would need to find an attorney to file the proper paperwork in Court. No matter what you come up with here, the Court will not look at it, nor will they look at your letters and CDs that you keep mailing to them. She would either have to file the appropriate paperwork herself, or an attorney would have to file it for her.

But, again, you and Kenny keep ignoring that the entire relevant issue was where they were when Crystal stabbed Daye - and since his story was consistent with the physical evidence, and hers was not - they believed Daye. No one but Daye and Crystal knew exactly what happened in that apartment - and Daye's version was more consistent with the physical evidence, and thus more believable.

I'm sure this next sharlog will be based on the same debunked assumptions and mis-statements of the law as your other ones.

Anonymous non-believer who is unwilling to be enlightened,

I will present irrefutable truth and evidence to completely debunk the testimony of Aykia Hanes. It was her testimony, along with that of fellow perjurer Dr. Nichols who swayed the jurors into reaching the wrongful verdict to convict.; May 21, 2015 at 7:46 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Again, Kenny and Anon assume Meier didn't ask Dr. Roberts and others these questions before - he most likely did and knew the answers wouldn't be helpful.

Idiots, whiners, liars.

Had Mangum represented herself she would've had the opportunity to direct examine Roberts and bring out the myriad of problems with the Nichols report. She could've also destroyed the credibility of Aykia Hanes... had the prosecution dared to have her testify. (Prosecutors and Officer Bond were all aware that the testimony of their witness was perjured.); May 21, 2015 at 7:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Mangum met with Dr. Roberts herself, when she represented herself. Dr. Roberts discussed the issues with the autopsy, but also the conclusion, and told Mangum that her testimony would be harmful to Mangum.

Why do you keep thinking Dr. Roberts would have testified differently on the stand?

You are still a delusional idiot - but more power to you.; May 21, 2015 at 7:55 AM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "That is because he was conspiring with the prosecution against his own client."

Bzzzzzt (manual buzzer noise) Sid, you are letting your paranoia cloud your judgment.

Take a chill pill, settle down and start thinking rationally. It'll do you some good. It might even do Crystal some good. Right now, you are her own worst enemy.

Walt-in-Durham; May 21, 2015 at 8:12 AM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said : "Second, you have no knowledge that Meier or another of Crystal's lawyers did not interview Daye's treating physicians. I suspect they did and the physicians refused to comment as Daye has a right, even in death, to privacy in his medical treatment. However, if any of them did talk, I think they would have agreed with the two physicians who could testify. Daye died as a result of the stab wound. "............ Do you have any idea why Meier would not of shared that with his client? I know Meier lurks here. I've asked him, simply, to come on line one more time and say yes he did or no he did not. You think, if they had been subpoenaed, they would confirm the two ME's conclusion. I think they would not as does Crystal. If Meier asked and was assured by them that they would only confirm he died of complications of the repaired wound then why did he not tell that to Crystal and why is he unwilling to say so here. Let me guess. None of her Court appointed Attorneys spent the time this case needed to show that Crystal is innocent of committing a murder.; May 21, 2015 at 9:24 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "But, again, you and Kenny keep ignoring that the entire relevant issue was where they were when Crystal stabbed Daye - and since his story was consistent with the physical evidence, and hers was not - they believed Daye. No one but Daye and Crystal knew exactly what happened in that apartment - and Daye's version was more consistent with the physical evidence, and thus more believable'...... Physical evidence, presented by the State, carefully selected after many months of preparation vs. no time for Meier to prepare. Daye's statement was never subjected to any kind of impeachment. In a violent confrontation, positioning, in space and time, is incalculable, despite the most sophisticated crime scene reconstruction. In an un-examined "he said" and a cross- examined "she said" any doubt should accrue to Crystal; May 21, 2015 at 9:41 AM
guiowen said...: Daniel Meier,
Kenhyderal is well aware that you are lurking here. Unless you want to find yourself fighting a master debater, you had better answer his questions, forthwith!
Be careful, or he will wipe up the floor with you!; May 21, 2015 at 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...: I still find it hilarious that Kenny thinks Meier still lurks and reads this drivel, and yet he refuses to simply e-mail Meier directly and ask the questions. Instead he just adds the lack of response on a public blog that Meier may, or may not, read, to his vast conspiracy against Crystal.

Crystal was apparently repeatedly advised that Roberts was bad for her, and the medical stuff was bad for her - Sid and Kenny told her to disagree - you assume she is telling the truth about what they did, or did not, tell her about who they talked to? And, she hasn't raised those claims herself.

Kenny, you are still an idiot, whiner, and liar - and have added joke.

If you want to hear from Meier - e-mail him. I believe his e-mail address has been shared repeatedly on this site. You won't, because you are:

A joke, idiot, whiner, and liar.

If you; May 21, 2015 at 11:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Remember, Kenny, you keep wanting to say that Daye's statements should have been attacked. His statements actually helped form the basis of Crystal's self-defense claim as well - he agreed she locked herself in the bathroom and he kicked in the door and drug her out by her hair. The only issue was where the stabbing occurred.

He said she ran to the kitchen and got a knife and stabbed him in the hallway. Evidence to support her claims: 1. She'd done it before with Milton Walker - getting into a fight, running into the kitchen, and coming at him with a knife; 2. blood in the hallway; 3. knife found in living room, so Crystal had it in her hand as she was leaving.

She said he was choking her in the bedroom, and she grabbed the knife on the floor and stabbed him. Things that hurt her claim: 1. Lack of bruising on the throat (though Meier did get police to admit bruises could show up later, and they never went back to check her); 2. lack of blood in the bedroom; 3. she claimed he had pulled the mattress off the bed, but it wasn't out of place; 4. the door that had been kicked in/torn off its frame led to the hallway, not the bedroom (though the bedroom door also had a hole).

There are certainly others, and the stories diverged a bit on what happened before the bathroom incident - but that's basically what the jury had to work with.

The argument was that regardless of what happened before, Crystal retreated from the conflict to the bathroom, thus regaining right of self-defense. It all hinges on whether Daye was choking her in the bedroom when she stabbed him, or she ran into the kitchen and came back at him. The rest is just fluff.; May 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: "Only a matter of time before the truth sets Mangum free."

Yes -- in as little as 12 years, 8 months.; May 21, 2015 at 11:55 AM
Anonymous said...: "Nifong Supporter said...

What I had planned to mention in my next sharlog (which has been put on hold due to problems with the Flash program) is that the State's biggest eyewitness, Aykia Hanes committed perjury. Not only that, but Mangum's turncoat attorney Meier could've impeached her entire testimony... but he did not. That is because he was conspiring with the prosecution against his own client."

Someone like sid who is incapale of telling truth from falsehood is not capable of determining whether or not a witness committed perjury.; May 21, 2015 at 12:15 PM
Anonymous said...: "Nifong Supporter said...

I will present irrefutable truth and evidence to completely debunk the testimony of Aykia Hanes."

How can someone who can not discern truth from falsehood present irrefutable truth.; May 21, 2015 at 12:17 PM
Anonymous said...: "Nifong Supporter said..

Had Mangum represented herself she would've had the opportunity to direct examine Roberts and bring out the myriad of problems with the Nichols report."

Here incredibly stupid sid thinks the court would have accepted crystal as competent to examine an expert medical witness; May 21, 2015 at 12:20 PM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Walt said : "Second, you have no knowledge that Meier or another of Crystal's lawyers did not interview Daye's treating physicians. I suspect they did and the physicians refused to comment as Daye has a right, even in death, to privacy in his medical treatment. However, if any of them did talk, I think they would have agreed with the two physicians who could testify. Daye died as a result of the stab wound. "............ Do you have any idea why Meier would not of shared that with his client? I know Meier lurks here. I've asked him, simply, to come on line one more time and say yes he did or no he did not. You think, if they had been subpoenaed, they would confirm the two ME's conclusion. I think they would not as does Crystal."

Incredibly stupid kenny presumes more facts not in evidence, that he and crystal are expert medical witnesses.; May 21, 2015 at 12:22 PM
Lance the Intern said...: "... Dr. Nichols is not the only one to commit perjury in Mangum's case... so did the star witness for the prosecution Aykia Hanes"

What perjury did Aykia Hanes commit? T what point in her testimony did she willingly lie?; May 21, 2015 at 1:56 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "I still find it hilarious that Kenny thinks Meier still lurks and reads this drivel, and yet he refuses to simply e-mail Meier directly and ask the questions. Instead he just adds the lack of response on a public blog that Meier may, or may not, read, to his vast conspiracy against Crystal".........As to proof that Meier lurks here you should read Dr. Harr's post of March 2 @ 8:05 where Meier wrote to Dr. Harr and disavowed the anonymous sadistic posters who were making cruel posts under his name; creeps who get their jollies from making sport of Crystal's present plight. As to me e-mailing Meier, to ask that question, I don't have to. I already know the answer. I just want him to admit it to you all so you will stop insisting that he gave Crystal a quality defence and maybe even begin to realize the extent of this travesty of justice; May 21, 2015 at 2:34 PM
guiowen said...: Actually, I agree with Kenhyderal that Daniel Meier probably does read this blog. I can imagine him sitting back, saying something like "Those two idiots, Kenhyderal and Tinfoil, are at it again," and laughing.; May 21, 2015 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

I just want him to admit it to you all so you will stop insisting that he gave Crystal a quality defence and maybe even begin to realize the extent of this travesty of justice

May 21, 2015 at 2:34 PM"

kenny has yet to realize what a travesty to everything his incredible stupidity is.; May 21, 2015 at 3:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Mr. Meier himself told the judge he did not have enough time to prepare an adequate defense did he not? Therefore, I am sure Mr. Meier would agree that he did not provide adequate defense, since he did not have the time needed to prepare. However, not only was he not prepared, most of the questions he asked were objected to and denied by the judge. Was that because he did not know how to ask questions in a trial?; May 21, 2015 at 4:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Do you know if Ms. Mangum indeed filed a written complaint to the State Bar against the appeal attorney yet? Did she also file one against Mr. Meier?; May 21, 2015 at 5:01 PM

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