Saturday, August 18, 2018

Malicious Prosecution Motions Hearing Syllabus entered into evidence

129 comments:

Anonymous said...

Interesting that one of the documents you do not include is the report from Dr. Roberts which indicates that the Nichols autopsy was sloppy, but ultimately correct, and also notes that they looked into, but ruled out, DTs. Crystal's own expert contradicts everything you claim.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "and also notes that they looked into, but ruled out, DTs. Crystal's own expert contradicts everything you claim"...……………………………… Part of the meta-narrative but not true. If you disagree show us this in Dr. Roberts report.

Doogie Howser said...

Blogger kenhyderal said...
Everyone involved knows that if Crystal is granted a new trial she will be acquitted. That's why the present strategy is to thwart, by any means, letting that happen. To bolster her case there will be many subpoenaed witnesses, some of them acknowledged experts testifying to facts and with opinions never heard by her Jury.

August 18, 2018 at 9:16 AM



Dr. Harr,

Are you aware of the witnesses that kenhyderal will subpoena? Are you and Crystal coordinating your efforts with kenhyderal? I believe it is critical that you all work together closely.


kenhyderal said...

@ Doogie: I'm neither a Lawyer or a Litigant. If, in her new trial, she has a Lawyer or she is a Pro Se Litigant I can suggest witnesses with direct knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Daye's death and of the obvious errors in Dr. Nicholls autopsy. These experts, if they do not perjure themselves or couch and skirt around the glaring deficiencies, in it's cause of death determination, or by giving semantic but medically baseless support, albeit feint-hearted, to Dr. Nicolls unfounded conclusion which ignored everything between his, "she stabbed him, he died" , as did Dr. Roberts. The intervening medical misadventure is something her Jury needs to hear.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

How many more years are you going to wait before you reveal your mystery witnesses and mystery evidence of Mangum's innocence?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

How many more years are you going to wait before you reveal your mystery witnesses and mystery evidence of Mangum's innocence?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

kenhyderal said...

@ Abe, 6:10:...…. At the time of her new trial. Hopefully, thanks to the efforts of Dr. Harr, that will be later this year or early next.

Anonymous said...

It is amazing how Sid/Kenny cannot be wrong. Every witness or expert who disagrees with them (like Dr. Nichols and Dr. Roberts) are lying or corrupt.

Anonymous said...

Sort of reminds me of this (from Guiowen):

How many times have we gone through the same rigamarole:

Sidney: "I have some powerful arguments that will get CGM free within two weeks if not sooner."
Sidney: "Please, everybody, tell me the color of your favorite crying towel."
Kenny: "The evil Duke lacrosse apologists have been successful up to now, but will now suffer as the arc of justice bends in Crystal's direction."
Some time later:
Others: "So tell us Sidney how things went?"
Sidney: "I clearly failed to take into consideration the evil behavior of the justice system, and/or the way CGM's attorneys betrayed her!"
Kenny: "What can you expect from the U.S. system? This would never happen in Canada, or any other reasonable country! Reform reform! Drain this swamp!"

August 17, 2018 at 2:04 PM

(except this time the roles of Dr. Harr and Kenny have been interchanged)

Anonymous said...

kenny,

Good luck with that strategy. How is Mangum going to get a new trial without the mystery witnesses and mystery evidence you claim you have?

Either you have witnesses and evidence that Mangum is actually innocent, but are refusing to reveal it even though (because?) it means she will remain in prison, or you are lying when you claim to have witnesses and evidence of Mangum's innocence. Which is it?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

Dr. Caligari said...

At the time of her new trial. Hopefully, thanks to the efforts of Dr. Harr, that will be later this year or early next.

How in Mangum going to get a new trial? Her appeals have been exhausted. Her federal habeas corpus case was dismissed, thanks to Dr. Harr's unintentional sabotage. (It was supposed to be a MAR, to be filed in state court, but Dr. Harr mistakenly filed it in federal court, which promptly dismissed it because the issues raised in it had not previously been filed in state court.) The attempt to overturn her conviction through a suit for malicious prosecution was doomed from the outset, because relief from a conviction cannot be obtained in a malicious prosecution suit, but that suit was dismissed on statute of limitations grounds. The only thing now pending is the MAR, which will be dismissed for reasons which have been explained already.

Anonymous said...

Abe,
Don't forget good old Milton!

kenhyderal said...

Abe said: "How is Mangum going to get a new trial without the mystery witnesses and mystery evidence you claim you have?" ------------------------- These witnesses are not mysterious. These are witnesses that Meier should have subpoenaed. Witnesses, that even the most cursory investigation would have shown it was necessary to call them in to testify. At least a dozen, without even including Dr. Roberts but certainly including those involved in the errant intubation of Daye's esophagus. Then, there are ample witnesses that can testify to Daye's obvious alcoholism and his erratic behaviour while intoxicated and of course there are those who well knew of his penchant for knife throwing.

Anonymous said...

I love how Kenny assumes (claims to know as a fact even though he won't say why, and has never actually reached out to anyone in this case but Sid) that these witnesses weren't interviewed, and that the defense didn't know what these witnesses were going to say.

He knows it wasn't done because he's magical Kenny, and he figures if it was, all the attorneys, who he also knows still lurk on this board, would come out and say so. He thinks silence means people are scared of him.

Kenny, you remain an idiot.

Anonymous said...


kenny,

I don't believe Mangum's attorneys failed to investigate her various claims. They just did not proceed the way you and Sid wanted. But, assuming you are right, - If you, Sid and Mangum aren't willing to spend a second of your time or waste a nickel of your money to interview, take statements from, subpoena or investigate the claims of the mystery witnesses, how can you possibly fault Mangum's attorneys for doing the exact same thing?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

kenhyderal said...

No assumptions and not simply a claim. You're the one who is making assumptions. I assert, "there is no one who can factually refute my contention that no investigations or interviews into the events leading to Daye's death, at the hands of Duke, were ever done by her so-called Counsel". Proof of this will ultimately be presented at Crystal's new trial. That along with exculpatory evidence, by experts, proving Daye was not murdered by Crystal.

Anonymous said...

No, Kenny.

You are being dishonest again.

You are the ones making claims and assumptions.

Here are the facts, and they are incontrovertible:

Mangum went to trial and was convicted of murder by a jury of peers. Her conviction was upheld on appeal. Every attempt Sid/Mangum have made to challenge the conviction has failed.

You are the one claiming Mangum's attorneys didn't investigate her claim or properly defend her. Prove it.

You are the one claiming there are witnesses that will prove Mangum is innocent. Name them.

You are the one claiming there is evidence that Mangum is innocent. Produce it.

Until you do, Mangum remains guilty and she stays in prison for the full duration of her sentence.

Unless you are happy with the status quo, you have some work to do.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

Anonymous said...

Kenny makes an assertion, and we're supposed to believe he's right because none of us is really interested in refuting it.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Last night I began working on a sharlog video... which might better be referred to as a "shar-video" as it is more a video, than a sharlog because it is not interactive. Therefore, there is no way to leisurely examine documents. These shar-videos will be posted on YouTube. Although it doesn't require coding for buttons, the process is just as time and energy consuming.

The topic of this shar-video is the Motions Hearing that was recently held in Durham. Because I want to get it posted as soon as possible, I will be spending day and night working on it.

Although comments from visitors to this sight are readily and easily posted by use of my cellphone, for me to place a comment it requires that I use my laptop... and responding in good-faith to comments can take time that I can ill afford. Therefore, apologies for my failure to actively engage in comments routinely as the shar-video is extremely important in the scheme of things.

There is a possibility that I might be compelled to respond to a comment here or there, but that will be the exception.

I must return to Word, as the draft of the narrative is not yet, but close to being completed. I will try to narrate most of it by tonight. Laying in the soundtrack will come next followed by putting images to the audio... and finally odds and ends such as music and sound effects. With luck, I will have it completed by this coming weekend.

As you were.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

It's your job to prove things, not others to disprove them. No one can factually disprove the claim that you are a blithering idiot. Does that make it true?

If you actually cared how these things work, you'd be out interviewing witnesses and jurors and potential witnesses and putting together a MAR with affidavits. That's how it works. You don't just say "we want a new trial then will do all of this."

That's why the latest MAR will fail. Sid refuses to even try get an affidavit from Milton. An affidavit from Milton that says he was threatened and told to lie would be strong grounds for a new trial. An affidavit from these mystery witnesses might be.

Absent an affidavit, all anyone has is Sid's statements (and since he still clings to felony murder and other debunked claims he's not credible), and your statements, and you are an idiot.

If you care about Crystal do the work. If you don't, keep tying and pretending.

We all know you will do the later.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

Care to explain to us how a new trial will come about?

Anonymous said...

You've been told how to help Crystal:

Interview witnesses, get affidavits.

You've been told what doesn't help:

Your sharlogs.

Why do you waste so much time on what doesn't help, and completely ignore what does, unless your real goal is attention from Crystal, and not actually helping her?

You've talked marriage ... I assume you know that if she were out of jail and you weren't her only regular visitor, she'd have/want nothing to do with you, so you lie to her, pretend you are her hero, but keep her captive so she can't leave you.

You are sick.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "If you actually cared how these things work, you'd be out interviewing witnesses and jurors and potential witnesses ".... Huh? That's something none of her appointed ever Lawyers did. They hardly even spoke to her let alone conducting any sort of an investigation or seeking out and interviewing any defence witnesses that could inform her Jury of the truth. As well, Meier allowed a tainted Jury to be seated and he failed to get her, because of the Duke Lacrosse discreditation campaign, a change of venue. You expect friends of an accused to do what your sixth amendment guarantees and what the standards of practice The American Bar Association demands. Dr. Harr is the only person, who personally cares about Crystal, we know of, who is capable of assisting her in her Pro Se search for Justice.

kenhyderal said...

Abe said "Name them.' 'Produce it." ……………………………… They have been named and the evidence is readily available in the records of Duke Hospital. Now all that has to happen is that those named have to be subpoenaed to testify before a Jury of Crystal's peers in a fair trial.

Anonymous said...

In other words, good old Kenny just wants to subpoena everyone who works at the Duke Hospital. Surely among them there is someone who will give the testimony he needs.

guiowen said...

Anony 9:50
I think you mean, everyone who worked at Duke Hospital back in 2011.

Anonymous said...

What is your proof these individuals were never talked to, or investigated?

Some mystery witness?

You keep saying it, but you've never offered proof other than "if they did, they should come here and say it." Which isn't proof.

Anonymous said...

How do you expect Mangum will ever get another trial unless you, Sid or someone else acting on her behalf produce a single witness or a some kind of evidence that Mangum is innocent? What is missing here is anything to back up any of your ridiculous claims or support the vicious attacks the two of you have made against Mr. Daye, Duke University, Mangum's defense lawyers, the prosecutors and everyone else associated with the Daye murder case.

All either of you have produced is wretched SHARTS (Sid Harr Alternate Realities Theories) advancing possible alternative interpretations of the evidence against Mangum. But, your problem is the case has already been tried and a verdict rendered. The verdict was upheld on appeal.

Until you and Sid find a way to back up your claims with real witnesses and hard evidence, Mangum will never get a new trial. It is that simple.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 1:11: ...Offer proof, proof to whom? The Duke Lacrosse apologists? To you? You speculate that my contention is untrue. For the sake of this argument, though, assume, as Abe did, that my charge is correct. If that was the case, can you concede that Crystal did not receive adequate representation?

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 4:45 AM... What's sick, as well as mean and uncalled for is your characterization of Dr. Harr's relationship with Crystal. It's the kind of mean-spirited attack that Crystal has had to endure ever since she dared to come forward against the Duke Lacrosse defendants. Many here show, by their posts and their uncharitable attitudes, characteristics that indicate to me they do not have the integrity of character, kindness and virtue of Crystal Mangum

Anonymous said...

Kenny,
I guess if everything you claim is true, then you are correct, and CGM should get off free. The problem is that no one around here believes even half of what you claim.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
You don't have to offer us proof. (None of us can do anything about CGM's current status.) You have to offer it in a court of law.

Nifong Supporter said...


NOTICE to Anony 8/22 @ 6:02 p.m.: In violation of a kenhyderal doctrine amendment, vulgar disparagement by a commenter towards another commenter is no longer allowed. Terms such as "butt", "ass", etc. are not permissible... unless directed solely to me -- at which time I will use my discretion liberally.

Would you please remedy your comment and resubmit by exercising one of the following options:
(1) direct the comment solely to me;
(2) omit the phrase, which actually adds nothing substantive to your comment; or
(3) substitute another (non-inflammatory) phrase to express your meaning.

To restate the profound words of Rodney King: "Can't we all get along?"

Anonymous said...

Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.

kenhyderal said...

This post is cut and pasted from a post I made years ago. This person needs to be censured for posting this randomly dozens of times. These were my words but I'm certain that this poster is using them, not as someone in agreement of the sentiments I expressed but as some form of mischief or mockery. If I'm wrong they should acknowledge I was the source and indicate their agreement.

guiowen said...

Kenny,
You mean, you said, "Right on Kenhyderal!"? You really like yourself, don't you?

kenhyderal said...

@ Guiowen: Disingenuous, sarcastic, narcissistic and especially hypocritical. You're one of the the ones who feigned outrage when I paraphrased information in a column by Shenali Waudge. When quizzed about my source I posted the article prompting months of hysterical posts, in typical Duke Lacrosse apologist fashion about me being a plagiarist.

guiowen said...

Kenny,
MY, my, my! Yes, you are all that! I couldn't have described you better.

guiowen said...

By the way, Kenny, I never said anything abut you posting (or not) your sources. As usual, you seen to have taken things out of context.

Anonymous said...

Just think - If Crystal had excepted that plea deal Sid blogged about back in 2012. We wouldn't be here now.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Here is something you said of me, that I could certainly say of you:

"This apocryphal account of an exchange between him and I [me] never happened. He has to resort to things he thinks I might say to justify calling me intellectually dishonest."

kenhyderal said...

I apologize for saying that you were one of the posters who hysterically and unendingly accused me of plagiarism over paraphrasing the Shenali Waudge article. You did, however, call intellectually dishonest when I denied saying what you quoted I said and you did subsequently prove that I had used those words. In that, though, you were technically correct but, dare I say it, intellectually dishonest since they were used in an entirely different context.

Anonymous said...

Udaman g.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Just think - If Crystal had excepted that plea deal Sid blogged about back in 2012. We wouldn't be here now"...……………………...Sadly true and a powerful indictment of the corrupt U.S. A. Justice System. Get the innocent to plead guilty because, the way the system is set up, that will be to their advantage, time-wise. Truth and justice be damned. It's great for the guilty. who are well connected and although guilty can afford to buy dispensation for themselves and big compensation for their Attorneys. Let the innocent remain locked up, inconsequentially. That will keep the status quo, of selective justice benefiting the powerful and well connected, remain intact. Indigent Crystal refused the plea deal because she was innocent. All she needed was to tell her story and have the support of adequate legal representation. That would have required legal representation that gave the time and did the investigations required to demonstrate to a jury the myriad facts supporting her innocence; as was the ethical responsibility of her constitutionally guaranteed Counsel

Lance(no longer)theIntern said...

I've come back from my (rather long) hiatus, and still don't see where Dr. Harr contacted Professor James Coleman, or the innocence project. I know Dr. Harr will not go to DU, but he can still contact Prof. Coleman. Here is his information:

email: jcoleman@law.duke.edu
Tel: 919-613-7057

Kenhyderal, I post this for you as well, in the hope that, if you truly believe in Crystal Mangum's innocence, you will reach out to Professor Coleman if (when) Dr. Harr fails to do so.


Lance(no longer)theIntern said...

I failed in my previous post to add the innocence project information. Here's their link:
https://www.innocenceproject.org

Anonymous said...

The Innocence Project represents convicted individuals in cases where there is strong and compelling evidence of their actual evidence. My understanding is that the Innocence Project took a look at Mangum's case and decided it didn't meet their criteria. Make of that what you will.

guiowen said...

To restate the profound words of Rodney King: "Can't we all get along?"

Sidney, the trouble is that there is someone here who considers himself a fighter, and will fight with anyone who does not agree with all his arguments.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
The Innocence Project represents convicted individuals in cases where there is strong and compelling evidence of their actual evidence. My understanding is that the Innocence Project took a look at Mangum's case and decided it didn't meet their criteria. Make of that what you will.

August 29, 2018 at 2:19 PM


Taking a break from working on my shar-video (which I plan to post to YouTube) to respond. The Innocence Inquiry Commission under to different executive directors responded with letters as to why they would not take Mangum's case. The NC Center on Actual Innocence did not respond. The Innocence Project of Barry Scheck fame, I believe was contacted... not sure. The innocence program of NCCU Law School did not respond and the school was quite hostile when I went there seeking help for Crystal. The NAACP and ACLU also ignored pleas for assistance for Mangum.

That these groups and individuals refused to help Mangum in no way diminishes the merits of her case.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Today when I inquired about the status of Mangum's Motion for Appropriate Relief which she filed on April 18, 2018, I was informed that no action had been taken by the judge on the case.

For the first time I learned that Senior Resident Durham Judge Orlando Hudson assigned the case to Judge Paul Ridgeway... the presiding judge at Mangum's 2013 trial.

QUESTION: Should this be of concern?

I would appreciate your responses to this question.
Thank you.

As you were.

Dr. Caligari said...

That these groups and individuals refused to help Mangum in no way diminishes the merits of her case.

Well, it may indicate that they have a different view from you as to the merits of her case.

Dr. Caligari said...

For the first time I learned that Senior Resident Durham Judge Orlando Hudson assigned the case to Judge Paul Ridgeway... the presiding judge at Mangum's 2013 trial.

QUESTION: Should this be of concern?

I would appreciate your responses to this question.


I have no idea how it works in North Carolina, but in most courts I am familiar with, a post-trial motion to set aside a conviction automatically goes to the same judge who tried the case.

Anonymous said...

No worries, Sid. The MAR has zero chance of success regardless of which judge is assigned to the matter.

Anonymous said...

Sid- Did you contact your friend, James Coleman?

kenhyderal said...

@ Lance: Can we take it that you have been admitted to "The Bar" and are now a practicing Lawyer? If so congratulations. Are you licenced to practice in North Carolina? Both Dr. Harr and myself fervently believe in the innocence of Crystal and that her conviction was a miscarriage of justice. As someone who has participated in this blog you know the facts of this case. As a Lawyer is there any issues you believe that her jury should have heard that they did not which could at least of raised reasonable doubt. Is this a clear cut case where a Welch precedent precludes anything Duke did contributing to Daye's death. Should the jury have known that Daye was a violent alcoholic who had already been stabbed and treated for wounds acquired in a knife fight. The prosecution brought on Family and friends who half heatedly proclaimed he was not. There are witness who could testify that he was but the Defence did not seek them out. Should the jury have been told that he was knife throwing 'hobbyist" There are those who know this fact. Although there was a possibility of a post surgical repair infection there never was one. His repaired wound did not kill him. There are medical staff at Duke who can testify to this. They were never sought out. The person who actually accidently brought about his brain death was not subpoenaed and has faced no consequences. Your thoughts.

kenhyderal said...

Nifong Supporter said "For the first time I learned that Senior Resident Durham Judge Orlando Hudson assigned the case to Judge Paul Ridgeway... the presiding judge at Mangum's 2013 trial.QUESTION: Should this be of concern?...………………… I'm not that fearful of this. Ridgeway did tell the Jury if they believed there was an intervening cause they should find her not guilty. The poor benighted Jury did not get the underlying facts from Meier and they only heard the Prosecution's interpretation. I believe he was surprised by their verdict.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid- Did you contact your friend, James Coleman?

August 29, 2018 at 7:52 PM


Anony, I did not contact James Coleman because he is employed by Duke University. I would not want to do anything that might put his career or personal life in jeopardy... which is a reasonable possibility, if not probability.

I made an attempt to get Timothy Tyson involved, as an advocate whom I greatly admire, but came to realize, that because of his current ties to Duke University, that despite his apparent interest in learning a little bit about her case, it was not likely that he would get involved.

Because Durham D.A.-elect Satana Deberry is a Duke Law School graduate, I have no expectations from her to act fairly in Crystal's case either.

Nifong Supporter said...


kenhyderal said...
Nifong Supporter said "For the first time I learned that Senior Resident Durham Judge Orlando Hudson assigned the case to Judge Paul Ridgeway... the presiding judge at Mangum's 2013 trial.QUESTION: Should this be of concern?...………………… I'm not that fearful of this. Ridgeway did tell the Jury if they believed there was an intervening cause they should find her not guilty. The poor benighted Jury did not get the underlying facts from Meier and they only heard the Prosecution's interpretation. I believe he was surprised by their verdict.

August 29, 2018 at 9:39 PM


Hey, kenhyderal.

I met Judge Ridgeway in the supermarket more than a year ago, and we spoke about non-legal issues for a few minutes. Really like the man. However, what seriously bothers me about Mangum's case and trial is that he refused to allow Crystal to view the 18-page document on Dr. Nichols. If it was relevant for the attorneys to see at trial, it should be relevant for her to see, as the defendant... especially representing herself Pro SE. Judge Ridgeway has refused to release it for her to see, so I believe that he, like everyone else in position of authority, was/and is in on the grand conspiracy against Crystal. I do not believe that he was surprised by the verdict.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Lance(no longer)theIntern said...
I failed in my previous post to add the innocence project information. Here's their link:
https://www.innocenceproject.org

August 29, 2018 at 11:08 AM


Hey, Lance.

Like a long lost prodigal son, welcome back to the fold. Thanks for the info and link.

I believe that even with the #MeToo Movement, the pressure is too great by those in power to perpetuate the Duke Lacrosse myth. For that reason, I do not believe that anyone wants to get involved... even if it means an innocent single mother of three remains in prison for another eight or so years.

Lance(no longer)theIntern said...

1) I am not licensed to practice in NC. I live in the Midwest
2) Welch applies
3) Daniel Meier did a great job, considering his client – although he should have worked harder to keep Crystal Mangum from testifying
4) She stabbed him, he died
5) She was found guilty by a jury of her peers


Dr. Harr, your reasons for not reaching out to Professor Coleman are the most absurd things you have written on this blog -- trust me when I say, that is taking absurdity to such new heights we need another word. Perhaps you can take a moment out of your busy schedule to create a "Harrism" for it. I'm thinking "abHarrdity" at the moment.

Kenyderal, since Dr. Harr has now stated he will not reach out to Professor Coleman or the innocence project, it is left to you. I look forward to you letting us know how that goes.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll return to lurker mode.

kenhyderal said...

@ Lance; I take it, from your reply, that you believe the implausible theory that Daye broke off his lethal attack and tried to leave his own home. I take it, you believe the implausible theory that, once alone, a calculating Crystal strew knives around the apartment and even stabbed a couch breaking the knife in order to stage a crime scene. I take it that you, like Meier, did not have faith in, or care about, this client and assumed you probably had a guilty defendant, therefore not wanting her to testify, or, even worse yet, recognizing that after months of preparation on the Prosecutions part were unprepared to counter their contrivance. I take it, you believe that the jury didn't need to know all the intervening facts between she stabbed him and he died and even though recognizing a Welch precedent could not evaluate if Duke's medical malpractice could be considered an intervening cause un related to the stab wound. Sometimes, with common sense, juries can recognize unfairness. I take it, that you believe Crystal did not need a change in venue to a place where she was not THEE Crystal Mangum thanks to the concerted, and still ongoing, campaign by Duke Lacrosse apologists to malign her.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Is there any way we can get you to stop ranting? Nobody believes any of your stories. Your ranting won't make any of us change our minds.

Anonymous said...

So, Sid, Crystal gave Notice of Appeal, does she know that it's still her responsibility to perfect the record on appeal, order the transcript, and all the rest?

I assume so, you've done this enough you can advise her on the process, but I hope she's not just sitting back and expecting things to happen for her.

Lance(no longer)theIntern said...

Coming out of lurker mode for the last time.

Kenhyderal, what I believe is stated in my post just prior to yours. Interpret it how you will.

Crystal on the stand basically stated that various police officers, neighbors, and friends were all lying; and photos that didn't corroborate her version of events were for unknown reasons all inaccurate. That is a poor strategy for the witness stand. That is why I think Daniel Meier should have kept her from testifying.

I never stated one way or another about seeking a change of venue. In criminal cases, the venue is the county where the particular crime was committed...if a change of venue IS granted, the case will likely be moved to an adjacent county. I don't know if that would help Crystal Mangum in this instance.

Anonymous said...

The client has the absolute right to testify. The attorney cannot keep the Defendant from testifying, and the Court will make that clear. In a criminal trial, if the Defendant says they are not testifying, the Court holds a small hearing to make sure that is the Client's choice, and their choice alone. They can listen to their attorney, and take advice, but if the client wants to testify, they cannot be stopped.

Kenny and Sid would have to talk about whether Meier advised Crystal to stay off the stand or not. Of course, they will say of course he did, because he didn't want the "truth" to come out, and Crystal told the truth (even though it was contradicted by every witness and physical piece of evidence.

But, a defense attorney doesn't put their client on the stand, or keep them off. That's the 1 witness they have no discretion over. The Defendant does what they want.

kenhyderal said...

And in the case of keeping Dr. Roberts off the stand even Judge Ridgeway knew that there was coercion by Meier. I believe she was only willing to go so far in agreeing with Nichols conclusion but would hesitate to do so when under oath. Obviously Meier believed she would double down on her concurrence.

Lance(no longer)theIntern said...

In my haste to reply to Kenhyderal, I wrote that Daniel Meier should "keep her from testifying" rather, he should have encouraged her more vigorously not to testify. I should have written what I meant rather than what I actually wrote.

So, Thanks for the clarification.

Her testimony during the trial did more damage to her than any other testimony, IMO.

kenhyderal said...

And in the case of keeping Dr. Roberts off the stand even Judge Ridgeway knew that there was coercion by Meier. I believe she was only willing to go so far in agreeing with Nichols conclusion but would hesitate to do so when under oath. Obviously Meier believed she would double down on her concurrence.

Anonymous said...

Udaman g.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
You really believe too many things.

Anonymous said...

Right on kenhyderal.

Nifong Supporter said...



Anonymous Lance(no longer)theIntern said...
1) I am not licensed to practice in NC. I live in the Midwest
2) Welch applies
3) Daniel Meier did a great job, considering his client – although he should have worked harder to keep Crystal Mangum from testifying
4) She stabbed him, he died
5) She was found guilty by a jury of her peers


Dr. Harr, your reasons for not reaching out to Professor Coleman are the most absurd things you have written on this blog -- trust me when I say, that is taking absurdity to such new heights we need another word. Perhaps you can take a moment out of your busy schedule to create a "Harrism" for it. I'm thinking "abHarrdity" at the moment.

Kenyderal, since Dr. Harr has now stated he will not reach out to Professor Coleman or the innocence project, it is left to you. I look forward to you letting us know how that goes.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll return to lurker mode.

August 30, 2018 at 8:28 AM


Hey, Lance.

Hah! "abHarrdity"... I like it.

I really don't understand why you have a problem understanding why I don't want to get James Coleman involved in the political morass that has become the Duke Lacrosse Myth. If I tried to drag him into this mess, then I don't think I could be considered much of a friend... even if it were only as an adviser.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Lance(no longer)theIntern said...
In my haste to reply to Kenhyderal, I wrote that Daniel Meier should "keep her from testifying" rather, he should have encouraged her more vigorously not to testify. I should have written what I meant rather than what I actually wrote.

So, Thanks for the clarification.

Her testimony during the trial did more damage to her than any other testimony, IMO.

August 30, 2018 at 2:58 PM


Hey, Lance.

I absolutely disagree with you on Crystal testifying at trial. I believe she was extremely credible with her testimony, restricted as it was by Meier's influence. The cross-examination didn't lay a glove on her.

There was far more damaging testimony from the perjured mouths of Dr. Nichols and Officer Marianne Bond... and false testimony under duress by Hanes and Walker. In addition to the biased media coverage, Mangum had too tall a wall to scale. Had Crystal represented herself at trial, I believe that she would have done much better.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
So, Sid, Crystal gave Notice of Appeal, does she know that it's still her responsibility to perfect the record on appeal, order the transcript, and all the rest?

I assume so, you've done this enough you can advise her on the process, but I hope she's not just sitting back and expecting things to happen for her.

August 30, 2018 at 12:11 PM


Hey, Anony.

There's actually very little Crystal Mangum can do while incarcerated as she has no access to internet, limited postal service (for example, no certified mail or return receipt), and no access to a laptop. I have been working to get a transcript and assist however I can with assuring that she has her appeal. (Keep in mind that the NC Prisoner Legal Services abandoned her in January 2017.)

guiowen said...

For heaven's sake, Sidney! What political morass? No one, except you and Crystal, really cares about this case!

kenhyderal said...

Lance said: "I'm thinking "abHarrdity" at the moment' ………………….. I'm thinking "Harreasonable"














kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "Kenhyderal,You really believe too many things."...…………………………………… I know the case far better than Attorney Meier did.

guiowen said...




Blogger kenhyderal said...
…………………" I know the case far better than Attorney Meier did."

That explains why he's never coming to Durham.

Anonymous said...

Really, Kenny? Have you asked Meier, or you still sticking to your "if I were wrong, he'd correct me"?

You know nothing Kenny.

Anonymous said...

Kenny - Do you believe that contacting James Coleman to get advice for Crystal would actually put his life in danger?

Anonymous said...

Right on kenhyderal.

Anonymous said...

Sid, even if PLS was helping her, they would have nothing to do with this civil case. They don’t handle those. Stop whining.

Athletic Supporter said...

I support the Duke Lacrosse team.

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 12:27PM 9-1-18: Figuratively,yes. Look what happened to Crystal, DA Nifong, Dr. Manley, Nurse Levicy, Dr. Meehan, William Cohan etc. etc. not to mention Dr. Harr himself and his narrow escape.

Nifong Supporter said...


guiowen said...
For heaven's sake, Sidney! What political morass? No one, except you and Crystal, really cares about this case!

August 31, 2018 at 8:07 AM


Hey, gui, mon ami.

The political morass pertaining to the perpetuation of the Duke Lacrosse Myth (Mangum lied, Nifong acted for his political gain, and the three Duke defendants were victims of Mangum and Nifong). That is the story that Duke University, politicians, and the press want to maintain despite evidence of truth to the contrary.

If Mangum is cleared of the murder crime, it would call for a second look at the Duke Lacrosse case through the lens of the #MeToo Movement... Crystal would be exonerated, and Nifong would look like a courageous hero. There are many people who care about that and want to prevent it.

Consider yourself elucidated.

Nifong Supporter said...


kenhyderal said...
Lance said: "I'm thinking "abHarrdity" at the moment' ………………….. I'm thinking "Harreasonable"

August 31, 2018 at 8:56 AM


Hey, kenhyderal.

Yeah, I like "Harreasonable" much better than "abHarrdity." I stand corrected.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Kenny - Do you believe that contacting James Coleman to get advice for Crystal would actually put his life in danger?

August 31, 2018 at 12:27 PM


Anony, I know you didn't address your question to me, however let me clarify that I did not say that Professor Coleman's hypothetical involvement in Mangum's murder case would put his life at risk. I believe that it would put his professional career at risk.

If you will recall, James Coleman was an outspoken critic of former Durham D.A. Mike Nifong during the Duke Lacrosse case in 2006. I would speculate that his involvement in defense of the university and the lacrosse defendants did not hamper his prospects... if anything it likely enhanced them. His appointment to head the innocence program at Duke University Law School could be an example... though I am not sure of the timeline.

At any rate, why put his professional career at risk? A friend would not ask a friend to do that. Which reminds me, that when I first launched the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong, it was Mike Nifong who advised me against supporting him for fear that retribution towards me from powerful Duke University and its minions would ensue.

Let me know if further edification is required.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid, even if PLS was helping her, they would have nothing to do with this civil case. They don’t handle those. Stop whining.

September 1, 2018 at 10:02 AM


I saw a tee-shirt yesterday that read: "I'm not arguing... I'm explaining why I'm right." To paraphrase, I'm not whining... I'm explaining why I'm right.

The NC Prisoner Legal Services (as well as Appellate Defense Attorney Ann Petersen) failed Crystal by not alerting her that she had a strong case for malicious prosecution for the two-count Larceny of Chose in Action charge. Those professional lawyers should have recognized the situation long ago... well before the three-year statute of limitations expired. They did nothing... which provided the defendants with its only line of defense against a complaint which could not be attacked on its merits.

Furthermore, I believe that you are being short-sighted by not realizing that even a civil case ruling can open doors to exoneration in a criminal case. Comprende?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Athletic Supporter said...
I support the Duke Lacrosse team.

September 1, 2018 at 3:49 PM


Hey, Athletic Supporter.

I support Team Justice. In Mangum's murder case, when the last out is recorded in the bottom of the ninth, Mangum will be victorious. Don't bet against Lady Justice!

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!!

Just wanted to give progress on my shar-video... which I plan on posting to YouTube. I am rounding the bend and heading down the homestretch. I should have it completed and posted by Tuesday, September 4th, barring any unforeseen complications. Will keep you updated.

As you were.

Nifong Supporter said...


kenhyderal said...
@ Anonymous 12:27PM 9-1-18: Figuratively,yes. Look what happened to Crystal, DA Nifong, Dr. Manley, Nurse Levicy, Dr. Meehan, William Cohan etc. etc. not to mention Dr. Harr himself and his narrow escape.

September 1, 2018 at 9:13 PM


Kenhyderal, your examples are so true. In addition, police investigators on the Duke Lacrosse case suffered, as well. I believe that the negative press coverage against Sgt. Mark Gottlieb led him to commit suicide... I believe his death is on the media's hands. Not only that, but 88 professors at Duke University who spoke for justice in the wake of the Duke Lacrosse event have been disparaged unfairly.

Those who have been perceived to be on the wrong side of the Duke Lacrosse case have suffered much... fired from employment, damaged reputations, attempts at wrongful incarceration, and, in the case of Sgt. Gottlieb, loss of life.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Harr,

Please provide an update on Mike Nifong. He is the reason many of us visit your blog.

Dr. Caligari said...

Furthermore, I believe that you are being short-sighted by not realizing that even a civil case ruling can open doors to exoneration in a criminal case. Comprende?

Dr. Harr,

I and others have explained to you many times that a civil case for malicious prosecution cannot possibly lead to exoneration in a criminal case. Why do you persist in repeating legal fantasies?

And if you think I'm wrong, cite one counter-example.

guiowen said...

So, Sidney,Have you been able to communicate with Milton? Any chance he'll actually help? Or is this too much of a political morass? Maybe you shouldn't get him too involved: he might get in trouble if he goes against the p.t.b.'s.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal,

I will be in Lumberton next week and I will be looking for you.

Anonymous said...

Sidney or kenhyderal or both continue to post anonymously to create the illusion that they have support.

guiowen said...

Hey, Anony 7:37,
Don't waste your time. Kenhyderal's enjoying life on the beach in some Arabian emirate. He's afraid to come to NC.

THE GREAT KILGO said...

Welcome back Ubes. Where have you been?

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Isn't this great? Your buddy Kilgo is back!

Anonymous said...

Imma set it straight, this Watergate....

Anonymous said...

Whatever happened to Mike Nifong?

guiowen said...

Sidney said;

" I should have it completed and posted by Tuesday, September 4th, barring any unforeseen complications. Will keep you updated."

I thought you were going to keep us updated?

guiowen said...

So, Kenhyderal,
Did your friend the fat Kilgo give you the information you needed?

kenhyderal said...

@ Guiowen: Just wondering, do you have two accounts on this blog; one as an identified Google Blogger and one as an Anonymous poster, using two different passwords, albeit typing in your appellation? If so for what motive? Or is the poster @2:04 PM perhaps not you?

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
I am indeed the 2:04 poster. I don't have accounts "on this blog".

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous guiowen said...
Sidney said;

" I should have it completed and posted by Tuesday, September 4th, barring any unforeseen complications. Will keep you updated."

I thought you were going to keep us updated?

September 6, 2018 at 12:49 PM


gui, mon ami,

See my comment below. Have spent a lot of time working on what will probably be the longest running documentary. Although I work fast, I am not as fast as my predictions which come with interruptions.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ON SHAR-VIDEO!

I am almost finished with the video. Need to add a few illustrations and finish highlighting some correspondence while it is being scrolled... which can be a bit time consuming.

All should be completed on the video by tomorrow evening... with the exception of the cover illustration which will be a composite of illustrations used in the video. So that shouldn't take too long.

My best estimate would be that I should have the video on this blog site by Saturday evening and then I will load it on YouTube. Like I said, I believe it will be my longest running documentary.

As you were.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Whatever happened to Mike Nifong?

September 5, 2018 at 1:44 AM


The last time I saw Mike Nifong was when he was at the Durham courthouse as a possible witness in the Darryl Howard case. As you may remember, after much hulaballoo, he was never even called. I believe because the opposing counsel thought Mike would be too credible a witness.

I've spoken to him once or twice by phone since, and it appears as though he's enjoying life and his retirement. No big projects from him of which I am aware.

kenhyderal said...

@ Guiowen : Where is the Google Blogger icon on your 2:04 post?

guiowen said...

Who cares?

kenhyderal said...

@ Guiowen 8:49 : Those of us who wish to evaluate the sincerity of your posts on this Blog. That you seem to have two accounts raises questions.

Anonymous said...

Is there anyone here who wishes to evaluate the sincerity of guiowen's posts?

Does anyone have any questions because guiowen may have posted something here using something other than his/her blogger account?

Anyone?

Anyone?

You should put Kilgo on the case, kenny. He'll find the mystery poster. He has a real knack for that sort of thing.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

guiowen said...

Don't worry about it.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

It doesn't appear as if anyone shares your concerns, cares what account guiowen uses to post, or gives wet crap if the Google Blogger icon appears on all his posts.

Maybe Kilgo will have some information for us.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

kenhyderal said...

Abe said: "Anyone?

Anyone?:------- Stand up (ie. use your Google Blogger Account) and be counted.

Anonymous said...

I will start using my Google Blogger account the day Mangum is exonerated.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

guiowen said...

Don't worry, Abe. Kenhyderal assures us CGM will be exonerated early net year if not sooner.

kenhyderal supporter said...

kenhyderal has his reasons for questioning people who do not use their Google Blogger accounts. He studies each poster carefully to evaluate whether the person is in agreement with kenhyderal or is engaging in some form of mischief or mockery. If posters were forced to use their real names or a Google Blogger account, kenhyderal could spend more time preparing for the second trial and interviewing witnesses with direct knowledge of the circumstances surrounding Daye's death and of the obvious errors in Dr. Nicholl's autopsy.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

I just completed the nuts and bolts of the shar-video. All that's left is to design a cover illustration and insert it appropriately. That shouldn't take too long. Because this file is extremely large, I am hopeful that I will have no unexpected difficulties getting it uploaded to my blog site and to YouTube. Everything considered, I should have the video online no later than today.

As you were.

Anonymous said...


Sid,

Serious question - Have you ever asked for Mike Nifong's input and assistance in overturning Mangum's murder conviction? He's not a lawyer anymore, but he knows the law, the legal system, how to research, he presumably has access to legal resources and he has plenty of time on his hands. These are all things that would be extremely beneficial to you. If you have asked for his assistance, what was his reply?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

Anonymous said...

Nifong would know the law and tell Sid that there never was a risk of Felony Murder; that none of her attorneys would have ever looked at malicious prosecutions; that there was never a claim for malicious prosecution; and that Crystal should have taken the plea.

No, Sid won't ask Nifong anything, same reason he won't ask Coleman - he claims it's to "protect" them - it's not, it's cause Sid knows he's wrong, but he does this to manipulate and abuse Crystal, he doesn't need anyone else telling him he's wrong.

If he cared about helping her, he would do the 1 thing we have all told him could actually help: reach out to Milton, and get a statement that he was pressured to lie under oath. Sid won't do that, cause he doesn't want to help - he will make more excuses about how he shouldn't have to, they have the recording, or whatever. He doesn't care about helping Crystal - he wants to keep her right where she is, but also wants her to think he's the only one helping her.

kenhyderal supporter said...

And by the way, I’m proud to call kenhyderal my friend.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...

Sid,

Serious question - Have you ever asked for Mike Nifong's input and assistance in overturning Mangum's murder conviction? He's not a lawyer anymore, but he knows the law, the legal system, how to research, he presumably has access to legal resources and he has plenty of time on his hands. These are all things that would be extremely beneficial to you. If you have asked for his assistance, what was his reply?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

September 8, 2018 at 11:13 AM


Hey, Abe.

I take all your comments seriously, and consider this a very good question.

I would love to have any assistance from Mike Nifong, for the very reasons that you mentioned. However, I have never asked and he has never offered. Early-on, Mike Nifong was very much concerned about my advocacy on his behalf... concerned that I might have repercussions. This probably based in large measure on the treatment he received following the Duke Lacrosse case. I always had the impression that he did not want to violate any legality by doing anything that might be considered the practice of law... even though he had no intention of practicing law in the future. And I believe that he felt under the microscope, to say the least.

In many ways he was like you and some other commenters who expressed concern for my work in helping Crystal. I don't feel constrained under the circumstances because she has received what I consider to be turncoat representation and was abandoned by the NC Prisoner Legal Services. Surely I would never have become involved with the malicious prosecution lawsuit if it had been timely filed by an attorney representing her. I attempting to abide by the injunction, I never really got involved until after NCPLS abandoned her in a January 2017 letter... although I was very much frustrated with that organization because it failed to meet with me, try to get a copy of the 18-page document from Dr. Nichols' personnel file, and did not file a Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus with the Federal Court.

I have given thought about seeking assistance from Tracey Cline, too, but that would not have been a positive move for her, especially since she was trying to get her law license reinstated... which it recently was.

I have tried to get assistance from any lawyer I come across, and have tried to get a few in which I had confidence consider representing her. But no one was interested in taking her case or giving me any help or advice.

I would never ask James Coleman for assistance because, of course, he works at Duke University School of Law. I'm sure that would be frowned upon by his employers. So, basically, what legal assistance I have been able to afford Crystal has been on my own... not by choice, but by circumstance.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Nifong would know the law and tell Sid that there never was a risk of Felony Murder; that none of her attorneys would have ever looked at malicious prosecutions; that there was never a claim for malicious prosecution; and that Crystal should have taken the plea.

No, Sid won't ask Nifong anything, same reason he won't ask Coleman - he claims it's to "protect" them - it's not, it's cause Sid knows he's wrong, but he does this to manipulate and abuse Crystal, he doesn't need anyone else telling him he's wrong.

If he cared about helping her, he would do the 1 thing we have all told him could actually help: reach out to Milton, and get a statement that he was pressured to lie under oath. Sid won't do that, cause he doesn't want to help - he will make more excuses about how he shouldn't have to, they have the recording, or whatever. He doesn't care about helping Crystal - he wants to keep her right where she is, but also wants her to think he's the only one helping her.


September 8, 2018 at 3:07 PM


Anony, Crystal's malicious prosecution case was/is extremely strong. So strong that the defendants don't even bother to argue the merits of her case... they can only ask for the technicalities of expired statute of limitations and improper service. I can't think of a weaker defense. The only reason that the prosecution prevailed is that the judge who presided at the hearing was Judge Carolyn Thompson... a recent appointee of Roy Cooper. She obviously was beholding to him, and that is why she likely took the place of Judge Jim Hardin who was initially scheduled to her Mangum's complaint.

I do not hold hope that the courts will do anything in Mangum's case that would be to her benefit. Judge Ridgeway has been assigned to the Motion for Appropriate Relief that was filed in mid-April of this year, and he as not acted on it yet. And he has refused to release the 18-page document to Crystal who is acting pro se. I doubt that the court would do anything with an affidavit from Milton Walker, especially when the powers that be are devoted to providing immunity to Durham Police Officer Marianne Bond... along with the mainstream media. Bond's committed perjury and witness tampering in the wrongful conviction of Crystal.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Although the coding in a video which lacks interactive buttons is not that extensive or complicated, I did manage to bungle up a couple of times. Because of length of the video, it takes that much longer to review it for mistakes. I have gone through the entirety of the coding, and implanted the illustrated panels. And, although the file size is extremely large, it appears to work well enough to publish. Because of the late hour, I will get to work on it in the morning.

Plan on having it posted first on this blog site, then will see about getting it on YouTube. All should be uploaded by noon.

As you were.

Anonymous said...

What is the shar-video about?

Doogie Howser said...

Dr. Harr,

What is a shar-video?

Doogie Howser said...

Dr. Harr,

Can you help me get in touch with kenhyderal?

kenhyderal said...

@ Dr. Doogie 7:42: I'm here. If it's a confidential matter you can use Dr. Harr as the intermediary.