Wednesday, April 27, 2011

Postmortem shenanigans and media makeover of Reginald Daye





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Media bias against Crystal Mangum has been evident for some time… made obvious by the unflattering and misleading moniker given to her “the False Accuser.” This title which is almost always affixed to her name is false and misleading. She stands by her story that she was sexually assaulted in March 2006, and a court has not made a ruling in the Duke Lacrosse case, as North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper dismissed all charges against the three Duke Lacrosse defendants.


However, the A.G. took an unprecedented step on April 11, 2007 of proclaiming the Duke Lacrosse defendants “innocent,” a proclamation which was overreaching and which carried no legal weight. People in the legal profession and most media-types are aware of that and realize that only a jury, or a judge in lieu of a jury can determine “innocence” or “guilt.” If the Attorney General possessed such power, there would be no need to hold a trial. The A.G. could simply review the evidence presented by the prosecution and render a decision.



The media could barely contain itself, anxious to declare that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were “innocent,” “exonerated,” and/or “falsely accused.” Never mind that it was aware that it was misleading the public by declaring the defendants “innocent” and by labeling Ms. Mangum as the “False Accuser.” Its goal was to mold the minds of the gullible flock to believe that the determination of “innocence” had been legally reached and carried legal weight.



During the February 17, 2010 incident involving Crystal Mangum and her ex-boyfriend, the media toned down its coverage after realizing that the charges against her were a bunch of crock. A domestic violence call was placed to 911 by Crystal’s children because she was being beaten up by her ex. When police who responded became aware that Ms. Mangum was the accuser in the Duke Lacrosse case, all attention was focused on trumping up charges against her which would result in a lengthy jail sentence. So Durham Police, who were the only ones with motive, means, and opportunity, set clothes in the bathtub on fire, made no attempt to extinguish them, and called the Durham Fire department.



Police were so intent on trumping up charges against her that they purposely did not even address the fact that Crystal’s ex-boyfriend instigated the physical clash between the two by repeatedly punching her in the face.



Charges brought against Crystal by police were excessive and without merit, and she was placed under a million dollar bail. Media-types, aware that the charges against Mangum were bogus, devoted most of their news stories to re-hashing Mangum’s role in the Duke Lacrosse case… which also afforded the opportunity to mention that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were “innocent.”



Although the charges against Ms. Mangum were pathetic, the jury sided with the prosecution on the misdemeanor charges. Despite a feather weight defense by Mangum’s counsel, the jury could not bring itself to wrongfully convict her of the arson charge, and Ms. Mangum walked away from court with a sentence of 88 days time served.



The city’s unjust treatment and incarceration of Ms. Mangum was the proximate cause of her losing her job, apartment, being dropped from graduate program at NCCU, losing custody of her children, losing personal property, and losing her independence. Furthermore, the notoriety from that case in combination with media vilification regarding the Duke Lacrosse case, made it impossible for her to just pick up from where she was at the time of her arrest on February 17,, 2010. She had trouble finding employment and someone willing to rent her an apartment. This situation spawned her ill-fated symbiotic relationship with Reginald Daye.



Reginald Daye, at 46 years of age, was 14 years senior to Crystal. From what I had been told, Daye’s reputation was anything but sterling. Sources told me that he had had run-ins with the law, that he was a heavy consumer of alcoholic beverages, that his alcohol induced drunken states had led to clashes with police, and that he had the capacity and a reputation for physically abusing women with whom he had relationships.



The media, however, refused to sully Mr. Daye’s reputation, printing and broadcasting only the positive… of which there was very little, and some fabrication. To my knowledge, there was never any mention of his criminal record, which I have been told is extensive. Yet, the media stresses Mangum’s record, and gives credence to the charges stemming from the February 17, 2010 incident in which she was an assault victim and against whom charges were trumped up.



In an ABC-11 online article, Reginald Daye was said to have been employed at the time of his stabbing, working at Scotts Painting and Decorating, however, my sources have informed me that he was unemployed at the time. It is further my understanding that he was two months behind in his rent payments when he met Ms. Mangum. In addition, it was Ms. Mangum who was employed, doing the only work she could get at the time, dancing. She had been attending a trade school in preparation of seeking another position which would be considered more socially acceptable. I was told that she was anticipating getting a sizeable tax refund, as well.



By moving in with Daye, she prevented his impending eviction and was able to provide shelter for herself and her three children. Whether or not an intimate relationship between the two existed, I do not know.



I was told that early Sunday, April 3, 2011, Crystal and Reginald were involved in an argument about money which she had earned. She wanted the money to go towards rent, and I believe a money order or check had been made out to go towards rent. He wanted the money to go towards something other than rent. Money that he had not generated. However, the media only reported that a search warrant stated that responding Durham police officers said Daye told them that Mangum stabbed him and took his money. This statement by Daye was evidently enough for police to charge Mangum with two counts of larceny, regardless of the fact that they were cohabiting and possibly in a relationship. Again, an example of aggressive over-charging by the Durham police.



According to WRAL 5 news, Daye underwent emergency surgery for his stab wound to the torso and was expected to make a full recovery. However, the wral.com article posted on April 5th, two days after the incident exhibited prime examples of shoddy biased reporting. The headline, for example, blares, “Police seize knives from Duke Lacrosse accuser’s apartment.” The apartment was, in fact, rented by Daye, and not Ms. Mangum… therefore, police seized knives from Daye’s apartment. By conferring apartment rental status to Mangum, it suggests that its contents belonged to her and not Daye. Mention was made of a set of brass knuckles, but reporters made no attempt to determine its ownership. My guess would be that the brass knuckles belonged to Reginald Daye. Ownership of the knives which were confiscated during the execution of the search warrant was not addressed in the article.



WRAL’s article further states that in the February 2010 incident Mangum was accused of assaulting a “different boyfriend” and setting his clothes on fire. This statement is disingenuous and misleading as Ms. Mangum was the victim of the assault, being repeatedly punched in the face in the incident instigated by her ex-boyfriend. WRAL is trying its best, along with other media, to establish a pattern of specific criminal conduct that does not exist.



As is usual media protocol, wral.com misled the public by stating that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were declared innocent. Not only that, but an attempt was made to give credence to the innocence declaration by stating that officials, plural, were responsible for the determination... but, in fact, the media had based its claim of Duke Lacrosse innocence solely on the April 11, 2007 promulgation by Attorney General Roy Cooper.



This article is a prime example of media reporting on a Duke Lacrosse case related story that is false and misleading throughout.



In addition to Reginald Daye’s criminal record which is publicly available to the people and media alike, a source of mine also procured a copy of Reginald Daye’s death certificate which lists the cause of death as “pending.” However, CNN writer Maria White, in her April 14, 2011 piece takes the liberty to mislead by claiming that Daye died “as a result of the stabbing…” Keep in mind, this is well after WRAL reported a couple of days post-op that Daye was “expected to make a full recovery.”



In an article in “The Daily Beast” by David Graham titled “Murder Charge Latest Twist for Duke Lacrosse Accuser,” a friend of Daye’s told the “Beast” on April 5th, two days following surgery, that Daye was recovering. The rumor in the Durham community was that Daye died due to something other than as a result of his stab wound… a rumor which is only logical. Whether Daye’s death was due to complications from another unrelated pre-existing medical condition, due to medical mistakes, or the result of premeditated homicide, it is unknown, but I believe it is safe to say that he did not die due to the stab wound he received on April 3rd.



For a death which has the potential for being the handiwork of a homicidal fanatic who might have been motivated by a strong desire to see charges against Mangum to be upgraded to murder, the Durham Police department and Durham County District Attorney’s Office seem to approach this incident in a lackadaisical manner. To my knowledge, the potential crime scene was not secured, surveillance cameras were not reviewed, and no steps taken to ascertain whether or not Daye’s care might have been intentionally compromised or sabotaged. Instead, without even having a cause of death, the prosecutors make a dash to the grand jury seeking an indictment on the charge of first degree murder.



According to the article in “The Daily Beast,” the Durham County Medical Examiner stated that an autopsy might not be available for 120 days, or roughly four months. And he stated that there would not be a preliminary autopsy report issued. The postmortem treatment of Daye by the medical examiner is not routine, and there is a reason for that… to conceal, to shield, to coverup, to obfuscate the truth. Rest assured, that had autopsy findings directly linked the Mangum-inflicted stab wound to Daye’s death, a final report would have already been published and eagerly carried by the media to the people.



Some media outlets try to suggest Daye’s April 13th death was a result of the wounds he received ten days earlier on April 3rd. ABC-11 News, which is extremely biased in its reporting stated that “Daye died days later..” suggesting that he succumbed to wounds sustained. This is an example of misleading media spin at its best.



David Graham’s article in “The Daily Beast,” is one of the most balanced accountings of the April 3rd story that I have seen. Unfortunately, like the rest of the mainstream media, it too insisted on referring to Mangum’s rape allegations as false… as though decided by a court of law. Duke law professor James Coleman questions the appropriateness of the first degree murder charge against Mangum that was handed down by the Grand Jury on Monday, April 18th. Taking their domestic relationship into consideration Coleman represented that a more suitable charge would be voluntary manslaughter.



I don’t know what kind of investigation the Durham Police Department undertook with regards to the stabbing incident, but with Daye’s criminal record (which I have been told includes an assault against a female) there is a great likelihood that the April 3rd stabbing was an act of self-defense on Crystal Mangum’s part.



There is no doubt in my mind that the authorities, courts, and media are, and have been, out to get Crystal Mangum because of her accusations in the Duke Lacrosse case. The excessive overcharging, the exceedingly high bail, the secrecy with public reports, and biased, selective, and misleading reporting by the media has been engaged for the purpose of punishing Crystal Mangum because of her claims about being sexually assaulted in 2006.



The success in carrying out their vendetta against Ms. Mangum can be attributed in large measure to the silence of politicians representing Durham. To my knowledge, U.S. Congressman David Price, State Senator Floyd McKissick, and State Representatives Mickey Michaux and Larry Hall have been silent and made no attempt to challenge the gross mistreatment of Ms. Mangum by the authorities and the court. Likewise, civil rights organizations, such as the NAACP under state President Reverend Doctor William Barber has been quiet as dormice. As far as I know, women’s rights organizations and those which profess to protect battered women, stand by while Ms. Mangum is slaughtered by the state and the media. The viciousness of the attacks against Crystal Mangum rivals only those launched against former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong.



Although I am not a Durham County resident I have been appalled at the recent treatment of Ms. Mangum by the state, and on the morning of Monday, April 18th, I mailed letters to Durham Police Chief Jose Lopez and Durham District Attorney Tracy Cline advising them against seeking to indict Ms. Mangum in Reginald Daye’s death. I later learned that at the time I was dropping off my letter at the post office, a Grand Jury had been convened and had given the prosecution the murder indictment against Ms. Mangum that it had sought.



An indictment for first degree murder when the victim’s cause of death had not even been determined in a patient who postoperatively had the prognosis of making a full recovery. First degree murder wherein the victim and the offender were in a domestic relationship wherein the possibility of self-defense was not even considered by the authorities. First degree murder in which the victim was well on his way to recovery and close to discharge when he suddenly and without explanation lapsed into a deep and irreversible coma. First degree murder in a man whose death was without doubt not related to a stab wound he had received.



I wrote the letters to Lopez and Cline in hopes of preventing the murder indictment which I felt might come against Mangum, but which I strongly believed was based on irrational Duke Lacrosse case bias instead of the objective and fairly applied rule of law. Durham County, in a swirl of Duke Lacrosse aftermath litigation, is dead set on taking its frustration and hostilities out on Ms. Mangum, Mike Nifong, Mike Nifong supporters, and others with empathy towards Nifong. I have made my voice heard on the Duke Lacrosse-related issues, while the voices of Price, McKissick, Michaux, and Hall have remained silent. They remain hushed because they lack the will and the courage to protect their most vulnerable of constituents from the bullying and vindictive individuals in positions of power in law enforcement and the prosecutors’ office who are motivated to carry out the vitriolic vendetta against those perceived by the Powers-That-Be to be on the wrong end of the Duke Lacrosse case.



Towards the unethical goal of unjustly saddling Crystal Mangum with a first degree murder conviction, the media is doing its part by portraying Reginald Daye in the best light possible… amplifying the good, concealing the bad, and giving an ambitious makeover on the ugly.

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Anonymous said...

First, Sidney, most of this blog is a rehash of unsupported allegations you have already made. If you want anyone to believe you, provide proof of your allegations.

Anonymous said...

"[Crystal] stands by her story that she was sexually assaulted in March 2006, and a court has not made a ruling in the Duke Lacrosse case..."

Crystal's story was that this sexual assault was a gang rape in which the perpetrators left forensic evidence. The investigation conducted on behalf of the Durham DA office found no evidence of such a rape. The truth is, there was no rape. Even if Ms. Mangum was not in full possession of her faculties, she falsely accused innocent men of rape.

What do you think of all the rape cases which Mr. Nifong's office dismissed without trial?

Anonymous said...

"Media bias against Crystal Mangum has been evident for some time… made obvious by the unflattering and misleading moniker given to her 'the False Accuser.'

Sidney, prove that her allegations were true. Mr. Nifong's obligation, had the case gone to trial, would to be to prove her allegations beyond any reasonable doubt. No one jad any obligation to prove those allegations false.

You, yourself do admit there was no evidence of a rape. You keep repeating, a sexual assault could have happened without leaving evidence.

That kind of statement raises questions as to whether you are really trying to find the truth.

Anonymous said...

"However, the A.G. took an unprecedented step on April 11, 2007 of proclaiming the Duke Lacrosse defendants “innocent,” a proclamation which was overreaching and which carried no legal weight."

Sidney, Mr. Cooper did not proclaim anything. He stated that he and his office investigated the case, found the accuser to be non credible, found no witnesses to corroborate her claims, found no evidence to corroborate her claims(you yourself admit indirectly there was no evidence of rape) and concluded that, since no crime happened, those who were charged with said crime were innocent.

Many of your statements, e.g. that the Lacrosse players can not be presumed innocent even though there was no evidence they committed any crime, show you are not capable of knowing what "legal weight" really is.

Anonymous said...

"...which also afforded the opportunity to mention that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were 'innocent.'”

That statement shows that you do believe the Lacrosse Defendants were guilty.

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Sydney? said...

Sidney: In addition to Reginald Daye’s criminal record which is publicly available to the people and media alike

Available to everyone except you, apparently, else you presumably wouldn't be continuing to libel Reginald Daye.

What job did Crystal 'lose' after the contretemps with Milton? Interesting to hear now that she was 'dancing' again. Remember that Fats Thomas, who knew her well, said that she was dancing to advertise for her real job, prostitution.

Anonymous said...

"In addition, it was Ms. Mangum who was employed,..."

Why did her supporters say she had been unable to hold a job.

After the false allegations of rape she made, who would hire her to dance?

Anonymous said...

"As is usual media protocol, wral.com misled the public by stating that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were declared innocent."

Here you are saying that the Lacrosse defendants were not declared innocent.

I agree with you. Mr. Cooper did not actually declare or proclaim anyone innocent. He said he and his office believed, based on their investigation, that the Lacrosse players accused of raping Ms. Mangum were innocent.

Anonymous said...

"Reginald Daye, at 46 years of age, was 14 years senior to Crystal."

It took you long enough to get that fact straight.

Anonymous said...

"The media, however, refused to sully Mr. Daye’s reputation..."

It is pathetic that you do not follow their example.

Anonymous said...

In my last comment, I should also have said it is hateful that you have done otherwise.

Anonymous said...

"...however, my sources have informed me that he was unemployed at the time. It is further my understanding that he was two months behind in his rent payments when he met Ms. Mangum"

Who provided you with that information?

These are no more than uncorroborated allegations. Uncorroborated allegations are not truth.

Anonymous said...

"This statement by Daye was evidently enough for police to charge Mangum..."

It was certainly more substantial than anything Mr. Nifong used to falsely charge the innocent Lacrosse players.

Anonymous said...

...the media had based its claim of Duke Lacrosse innocence solely on the April 11, 2007 promulgation by Attorney General Roy Cooper."

The investigation which showed no crime had happened was conducted by a number of people in Mr. Cooper's office. His statement was, "WE believe these men are innocent."

Sidney, you show you have no capability of grasping the truth. Why else would you try to distort it.

Anonymous said...

"In addition to Reginald Daye’s criminal record which is publicly available to the people and media alike..."

Why have you not published Mr. Daye's criminal record in your blog? That kind of thing would show why you call him a criminal. It would, in other words, give you a bit of credibility.

Anonymous said...

"I was told that she was anticipating getting a sizeable tax refund, as well."

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.

Anonymous said...

Sidney, I will close for now by saying, you have not established any credibility you say. You have not revealed any truth. All you have done is make allegations based on unnamed reliable sources.

Anonymous said...

"... libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images.[3] Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, CIVIL and/or CRIMINAL, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism."

From Wikipedia, emphasis added.

Sidney, there is no doubt in my mind that you have opened yourself up to civil and/or criminal action.

Just think of how many contingency hungry trial lawyers might be reading your blog.

The only way to defend yourself would be to reveal your sources. So far you have not done so.

Anonymous said...

"To my knowledge, there was never any mention of his criminal record, which I have been told is extensive."

There is probably no criminal record to mention. You have not corroborated your allegation that he had an extensive record.

I believe you fabricated what you have been told.

That is what a jury would believe, unless you can produce something to corroborate your assertions.

Anonymous said...

Sidney, try testifying in Crystal's behalf. What you have offered in Crystal's defense is not proof of anything but hearsay. Hearsay is not admissable in court except under certain circumstances.

One such circumstance is a dying declaration. If the prosecution can show Mr. Daye had been fear of death, then his statement, that Crystal stabbed him and took his money, would be admissable.

Anonymous said...

SID -- You stated " My allegations, which come from reliable sources who are in possession of certain documents, are meant to educate the public. The biased mainstream media will shield the public from the truth. The truth will be posted on my flog/blog tomorrow..."

The ONLY way to "educate the public" is to reveal the contents of these alleged "documents" or reveal their source.

You have done neither and should be ashamed. You're nothing but a despicable liar.

Anonymous said...

Hey Sid, you foul git. According to Reginald Daye's obituary "He was a former employee at North Carolina Central University in the Paint Department and was employed with Scotts Painting and Decorating Company until his death."

If your "sources" got that wrong, what are the odds the rest is wrong, too? You're a right bastard.

Anonymous said...

"The city’s unjust treatment and incarceration of Ms. Mangum was the proximate cause of her... being dropped from graduate program at NCCU...."

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.

Anonymous said...

"The city’s unjust treatment and incarceration of Ms. Mangum was the proximate cause of her losing her job...."

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.

Anonymous said...

"Furthermore, the notoriety from that case in combination with media vilification regarding the Duke Lacrosse case, made it impossible for her to just pick up from where she was at the time of her arrest on February 17,, 2010."

If only this were true. Unfortunately, she picked up right were she was at the time of her arrest on February 17, 2010.

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Sydney? said...

Sidney: ... there is a great likelihood that the April 3rd stabbing was an act of self-defense on Crystal Mangum’s part.


Interesting - you have backed off of your claim that:

"The truth is that he initiated the physical confrontation by repeatedly punching her in the face."


Did you finally realize that her mugshots show no evidence of being punched repeatedly in the face?

Anonymous said...

Dang, Sidney, Reggie is (was) whiter than you are.

Anonymous said...

The Friends of Crystal Mangum in Durham do not fault Ms. Mangum's boyfriends. They note that Ms. Mangum's previous boyfriend, Milton Walker, reversed himself and wished to support her defense. FoCM cite that this is a likely reason also that Reginald Daye was mysteriously eliminated at Duke Hospital--he too was not going to be helpful in her prosecution.

Anonymous said...

The Friends of Crystal Mangum cite that because Reginald Daye was not going to be helpful in prosecuting Ms. Mangum that he was therefore worth more to them dead than alive.

The Great Kilgo said...

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What happened to the vaunted

Lie KKK Stoppers Research Department?


Have they lost their touch?





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Anonymous said...

Black racists don't even care that an innocent AA man was killed by drug addled whore Crystal Man-gum.They are still defending her because she falsely accused white men of a gang rape that could never have happened.Absolutely incredible.

Mary said...

Soooo.....it is a "homocidal fanatic" that killed Mr. Daye!!!! Ah Ha, Sid, I knew it!!! LOL.
You got yourself a copy of the dealth certificate from your , er, source, and you don't publish it right here? or the criminal record of the woman-beating Daye? I don't know which is funnier....your pathetic attempts to stroke yourself or Nifong in his bathrobe. Lord, Sid.....get your meds adjusted, fella.

Sherlock2 said...

The FoCM in Durham suggest that Sid use his resources to investigate why Chris Shella took over the Mangum case when he did. This takeover occurred immediately after Woody Vann--a past friend of Mike Nifong--was quoted expressing pondering questions about the autopsy and the delayed ME report. The media asked no questions. (Receiving a letter from another lawyer saying that I'm taking over your case isn't how a transfer is typically done.) Sid should remember real well the brouhaha he caused over Clayton Jones. Hint: A judge had to relieve appointed Vann. Who was the judge and why was this did done in secret?

unbekannte said...

Crazy Sidney, consider this about the possibility that you may be sued for libel.

If Mr. Daye's family does sue you, they will probably also sue your Internet Service Provider. Your ISP has responsibility for what they allow you to publish. They also have deeper pockets than you do.

To defend itself, your ISP would have to prove what it allowed you to publish is true. To do that they would have to know your sources.

Also, plaintiff's attorney would also want to depose whoever your sources might be.

If you decline to disclose your sources, you and your ISP could find yourselves with judgments against you, probably hefty judgments.

You seem to have painted yourself into an inescapable corner.

The Great Kilgo said...

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unbekannte said...

still squirming like a worm
still quacking like a duck
silly chicken killy
still showing he's f----d.

The Great Kilgo said...

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Ubes,

Enlighten us.

What is it about the 2006

Duke University Men's Lacrosse Team

Gang Rape and Robbery Scandal,

that attracts all the Right-Wing Cranks ?

Ubes,

Are you a Lacrosse 'Framer' ?


Is that like an Obama 'Birther' ?


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unbekannte said...

still squirming like a worm
still quacking like a duck
silly chicken killy
still showing he's f----d.

The Great Kilgo said...

The birther movement: immune to facts?

(CNN) -- Can the "birthers" ever be convinced that Barack Obama was born in America and is eligible to serve as president?

Probably not, according to one prominent psychology professor and other political observers.

Since Obama launched his bid for the White House, a sizable minority of Americans has expressed strong doubts about whether he was actually born in the United States. Over the past few years, the allegation that he was born overseas -- in Kenya or perhaps Indonesia -- has taken on a life of its own, despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

A recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll showed that roughly 25% of Americans -- including over four in 10 Republicans -- believe Obama was definitely or probably not born in the United States.

Earlier this week, CNN released the results of its own investigation into the controversy. Documents and statements from numerous public officials and childhood friends made clear that the president was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.

On Wednesday, Obama himself addressed the issue, pleading for an end to the distractions of "sideshows" and "carnival barkers."

The Great Kilgo said...

The president yielded to demands from his critics that he release his original long-form birth certificate, filing a special legal request with Hawaiian authorities to release a document that is no longer used for official purposes and ordinarily remains buried in the basement archives of the state health department.

Obama's 2008 release of the more common "live birth certification" -- a short computer-generated form typically used for documentation purposes -- did little to silence the chorus of skeptics.

It remains to be seen whether Wednesday's release will be received any differently. But the early reaction wasn't exactly positive.

One of the main websites pushing the birther claims -- birthers.org -- declared that "forgery or not, now we can debate the true meaning of a natural born citizen."

The U.S. Constitution says only "natural born" citizens can become president -- a vague clause that some members of the birther movement contend disqualifies Obama if he was born outside the United States.

Joseph Farah, editor-in-chief of the conservative website WorldNetDaily.com, said that "we know (Obama's) father was a Kenyan citizen, and that he would therefore confer Kenyan or U.K. citizenship on his son, which would at best make him a dual citizen."

Dual citizenship, Farah asserted, "is not what the Founders had in mind when they coined the phrase 'natural born citizen.'"

Sharon Guthrie, the legislative director for a Texas state representative backing a bill requiring proof of citizenship for presidential ballot access, told the website Slate.com that she was still suspicious.

The Great Kilgo said...

"What they produced today ... still says certificate of live birth across the top," she said. "We want to see a 'birth certificate.' ... The one that we have that says 'birth certificate' is from Mombassa, Kenya, with his footprint on it. He has still not produced an American birth certificate."

Why the unrelenting skepticism?

Emory University's Drew Westen, author of the "The Political Brain" and an informal advisor to Obama's 2008 campaign, chalked up much of it to Obama's reluctance to immediately rebut the charge more quickly in the presidential race.

"The right wing was attempting to make him 'one of them' as opposed to 'one of us,'" he claimed.

Westen, a professor of psychology and psychiatry, cited what psychologists call the "sleeper effect."

"If you present negative information about someone and it initially goes unchallenged, you might alter some people's conscious beliefs by challenging it later," he asserted. "But they are left with a negative gut-level feeling that doesn't go away."

"Political feelings, once they are strongly held, tend to be resistant to facts. It's just the result of the way our brains work," he said.

Westen mentioned the so-called "Swift Boat" attacks against Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry in 2004, which called into question the senator's service in Vietnam.

Kerry "allowed his honor to be challenged and didn't respond for weeks," Westen said. "When finally he did respond and had definitive evidence that the attacks were untrue, it was too late. People's feelings towards him had already changed. They wouldn't change back by that point."

Along similar lines, Westen told CNN that if staunch Democrats or Republicans are presented with clear evidence of wrongdoing on the part of their party's nominee shortly before an election, they'll come up with "every kind of rationalization to explain it away."

"We fight off information that makes us feel bad and gravitate toward information that makes us comfortable," he said.

Westen also brought up the explosive issue of race, one of the biggest political lightning rods in U.S. history. He insisted the birther movement never would have taken hold with a white president.

The Great Kilgo said...

It's not fair to call a large segment of today's electorate "1950s-style racists," he said. But some people are "unconsciously prejudiced in a way that predisposes them to not believing that a black man with a funny name could have really been legitimately elected president of the United States."

But Bill Mayer, a Northeastern University political scientist, took issue with the notion of race as the critical component of the birther movement.

"The fact that Obama is black may affect the form of the conspiracy, but probably not the fact that there is a following for this rumor," he told CNN. "Conspiracy beliefs have a long history in American politics."

Mayer cited a range of political conspiracy theories, including claims regarding the Kennedy assassination, involvement on the part of the Clintons in alleged murders, and George W. Bush's supposed knowledge of the 9/11 terror attacks.

Presidential historian Douglas Brinkley noted that, back in the 19th century, questions were raised over the American roots of Andrew Jackson and Chester Arthur.

But it was "nothing like this," he told CNN. "We are now in the age of electronic journalism. ... This has become a ghastly scenario (over) the last month."

Mayer suggested that Obama's release of the long-form birth certificate will "further marginalize those who insist (the matter of his birth) is an open question." Still, he added, "I don't understand why the White House took so long" to put out the document.

Just how long will the controversy drag on? Westen claimed the birther issue will continue to be political fodder until a critical mass of Republican leaders decide it's making the GOP look "foolish" and hurting the party among independent voters.

A spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, released a statement Wednesday claiming that the controversy "has long been a settled issue."

History suggests otherwise.

unbekannte said...

The birthers, insistence that Mr. Obama is not a natural born citizen is like Sidney's and Kilgo's insistence that Lacrosse players raped Crystal Mangum.

dhall said...

Sid -- According to the 2 larceny indictment documents, Crystal took Cashier's checks from the State Employee's Credit Union. From what I recall, cashier's check feature the name of the issuing bank in a prominent location on the front of the check as well as the payee's name.

Are you claiming here that the checks in question were made out to Crystal Mangum and NOT Reginald Daye?

The Great Kilgo said...

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Ubes, give this a try:

The birthers, insistence that Mr. Obama is not a natural born citizen
is like the Lacrosse Cult's insistence that Nifong and the Durham Police [ and of course dozens of others] FRAMED the Lacrosse players.



Ubes, are you a FRAMER ? ?

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unbekannte said...

still squirming like a worm
still quackng like a duck
etc. etc. etc.

unbekannte said...

Sidney, just give this some thought.

You have published statements calling the late Reginald Daye a criminal.

Your malice towards to anyone who does not support Crystal Mangum is public knowledge. You have aired it on your blog.

If you and your ISP are sued for libel, how do you inten to defend yourself?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
"'[Crystal] stands by her story that she was sexually assaulted in March 2006, and a court has not made a ruling in the Duke Lacrosse case...'

Crystal's story was that this sexual assault was a gang rape in which the perpetrators left forensic evidence. The investigation conducted on behalf of the Durham DA office found no evidence of such a rape. The truth is, there was no rape. Even if Ms. Mangum was not in full possession of her faculties, she falsely accused innocent men of rape.

What do you think of all the rape cases which Mr. Nifong's office dismissed without trial?"


What Ms. Mangum authored in her book, "Last Dance..." is her account of what took place at the Duke Lacrosse party in 2006, and it describes a sexual assault.

Maybe you should read the book.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
"'However, the A.G. took an unprecedented step on April 11, 2007 of proclaiming the Duke Lacrosse defendants “innocent,” a proclamation which was overreaching and which carried no legal weight.'

Sidney, Mr. Cooper did not proclaim anything. He stated that he and his office investigated the case, found the accuser to be non credible, found no witnesses to corroborate her claims, found no evidence to corroborate her claims(you yourself admit indirectly there was no evidence of rape) and concluded that, since no crime happened, those who were charged with said crime were innocent.

Many of your statements, e.g. that the Lacrosse players can not be presumed innocent even though there was no evidence they committed any crime, show you are not capable of knowing what 'legal weight' really is."


No prosecutor, district attorney, or attorney general has ever overstepped bounds like Cooper when he stated the boys were "innocent." If he felt the case would not prevail in court, he was obligated to dismiss the charges... not render a verdict. And the problem is that the media took his proclamation and used it as though the defendants were adjudicated innocent through a jury or judge. The media is very misleading... playing Jedi mind-tricks on the public.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
"'...which also afforded the opportunity to mention that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were 'innocent.'”

That statement shows that you do believe the Lacrosse Defendants were guilty."


As I have stated on many occasions, I do not know whether the defendants were guilty or not. The point I make in that statement is that the media takes every opportunity it can to state that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were "innocent." And by so doing, they mislead the public.

dhall said...

Sid -- What Ms. Mangum authored in her book, "Last Dance..." is her account of sexual assault when she was 14 years old as well.

Crystal did not follow up on these "assaults", and her own father stated they were not true. Is it your position that these accounts are true as well?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
"'In addition to Reginald Daye’s criminal record which is publicly available to the people and media alike...'

Why have you not published Mr. Daye's criminal record in your blog? That kind of thing would show why you call him a criminal. It would, in other words, give you a bit of credibility."


Very good point. Thank you for bringing it up.

I live in Raleigh, do not own a car, and the trip to Durham to pick up Daye's criminal record would be time consuming. I would much rather spend time getting the flog out as quickly as possible.

However, it is my intention to publish it as soon as I acquire a copy of Daye's criminal record.

Nifong Supporter said...


Mary said...
"Soooo.....it is a 'homocidal fanatic' that killed Mr. Daye!!!! Ah Ha, Sid, I knew it!!! LOL.
You got yourself a copy of the dealth certificate from your , er, source, and you don't publish it right here? or the criminal record of the woman-beating Daye? I don't know which is funnier....your pathetic attempts to stroke yourself or Nifong in his bathrobe. Lord, Sid.....get your meds adjusted, fella."


Hey, Mary.

To what do you attribute Daye's death, especially after he was on the mend and ready for discharge? A medical mistake is a possibility, but I do not believe an intentional homicide is out of the question. I believe the police should have at least investigated the possibility. And, why do you think it will take the medical examiner will require 120 days before releasing the autopsy results..? Why no preliminary autopsy report? Things are fishy, wouldn't you say?

Nifong Supporter said...


Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Sydney? said...
"Sidney: ... there is a great likelihood that the April 3rd stabbing was an act of self-defense on Crystal Mangum’s part.


Interesting - you have backed off of your claim that:

'The truth is that he initiated the physical confrontation by repeatedly punching her in the face.'


Did you finally realize that her mugshots show no evidence of being punched repeatedly in the face?"


I apologize for any confusion. Although my flog was focusing on Daye, I did make many references to the February 17, 2010 incident. Her ex-boyfriend in that incident did initiate the assault by punching Mangum in the face. I have seen photographs of her taken after that incident in which showed that her upper lip was swollen.

unbekannte said...

Sidney said, "I live in Raleigh, do not own a car, and the trip to Durham to pick up Daye's criminal record would be time consuming. I would much rather spend time getting the flog out as quickly as possible."

Sidney, the police record is vitally important to establishing the credibility of your blog. If you really wanted it, why not ask one of your friends to get it.

If you are too busy to get it, why do you claim to have first hand knowledge of it?

unbekannte said...

Sidney said "No prosecutor, district attorney, or attorney general has ever overstepped bounds like Cooper when he stated the boys were 'innocent.'"

How is stating one's conclusion based upon what research one has done, even research of a criminal case, rendering a verdict?

dhall said...

Sid -- I know you live here -- you had to see this:

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2011/apr
/27/autopsy-man-found-freezer-
killed-blunt-force-traum-ar-984310/

OK, so body found in October 2010. Autopsy results released in April 2011...How many days is that? Can you do the freakin' math?

COME ON, Sid! I'm finding it harder and harder to believe you were actually a practicing medical doctor.

unbekannte said...

No prosecutor, district attorney, or attorney general has ever overstepped bounds like Cooper when he stated the boys were "innocent."

Sidney, you would not have objected to any one saying the Lacrosse players were innocent unless you believed them guilty.

unbekannte said...

"To what do you attribute Daye's death, especially after he was on the mend and ready for discharge?"

Sidney, you have no first hand knowledge of that.

Did yu ever see Mr. Daye i the Hospital?

dhall said...

Sid -- Have your sources email the documents to me, and I'll get them to you. Contact me offline for my email address.

unbekannte said...

"What Ms. Mangum authored in her book, "Last Dance..." is her account of what took place at the Duke Lacrosse party in 2006, and it describes a sexual assault."

And the evidence gathered in the case showed Ms. Mangum was lying.

unbekannte said...

"A medical mistake is a possibility, but I do not believe an intentional homicide is out of the question."

The question has been asked but not answered, would Mr. Daye have been exposed to a medical mistake, had he not been stabbed?

Neither does the law think intentional homicide is out of the question?Ms. Mabgum has been indicted for Murder 1. Or did you miss that?

unbekannte said...

"I did make many references to the February 17, 2010 incident. Her ex-boyfriend in that incident did initiate the assault by punching Mangum in the face. I have seen photographs of her taken after that incident in which showed that her upper lip was swollen."

So publish one on your blog.

The mug shot taken after her arrest for stabbing Mr. Daye showed no evidence of trauma.

Did you see Ms. Mngum in jail and witness first hand evidence of trauma?

unbekannte said...

"And the problem is that the media took his proclamation and used it as though the defendants were adjudicated innocent through a jury or judge."

False!!! Misleading!!!

Anything the media has said about the innocence of the Lacrosse players refers only to the fact that AG Cooper believed they were innocent.

unbekannte said...

"And, why do you think it will take the medical examiner will require 120 days before releasing the autopsy results..?"

Sidney, have you ever personally done an autopsy? I have. I can say first hand that cause of death may not be known immediateily.

unbekannte said...

"What Ms. Mangum authored in her book, "Last Dance..." is her account of what took place at the Duke Lacrosse party in 2006, and it describes a sexual assault."

That book was after the fact.

Pre indictment, what was described in the medical record, what was alleged by the police, what Mr. Nifong charged the players with was a rape in which forensic evidence was left.

unbekannte said...

"I believe the police should have at least investigated the possibility.[that Mr.Daye was murdered in the hospital]"

What probable cause did they have to believe he was murdered in the hospital?

The Great Kilgo said...

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Oh No !


Ubes has lapsed into his

notorious Crank mode !






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unbekannte said...

still squirming
still quacking
What else is new

unbekannte said...

"...the media takes every opportunity it can to state that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were "innocent." And by so doing, they mislead the public."

If the fact is, the Lacrosse players did not commit the crime with which they had been charged, why is it misleading to consider them innocent. You are not judge or jury. You have no legal authority to declare them guilty.

And, despite your protestations, via your blog, you do declare them guilty.

unbekannte said...

"[Crystal Mangum] stands by her story that she was sexually assaulted in March 2006, and a court has not made a ruling in the Duke Lacrosse case..."

I say again, Crystal's story, as was documented in the Medical Record, was that she was raped. Crystal's story at the tainted lineup procedure was that she was raped. Michael Nifong ariginally said he was sure she had been raped.

Sidney originally claimed she had never waivered from her story that she had been raped.

According to Sidney, in her book, published after the AG's investigation found no evidence of rape, she never waivered from her story that she was sexually assaulted.

Sidney repeatedly has said either a sexual assault could have happened without leaving evidence or that Mr. Nifong did not need evidence of a rape to prosecute for sexual assault.

Crystal's word is not at all credible.

Crystal originally alleged rape. The evidence showed no rape had occurred. That makes it correct and accurate to say she is a false accuser.

The Great Kilgo said...

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Ubes, are you filling in for MotorMouth?


Did MotorMouth's engine blow-up ?





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The Great Kilgo said...

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Ubes says:


"The evidence showed no rape had occurred."


Whose evidence are you talking about Ubes?


Roy Cooper's evidence or the Durham Police?



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The Great Kilgo said...

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Cranks





Every last one of you.




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Anonymous said...

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Cooper or the DPD?


Either one.


They both accept the conclusion

That the defendants

Are innocent.






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unbekannte said...

squirm kilgo squirm
quack kilgo quack
babble kilgo babble

Anonymous said...

kilgo "Whose evidence are you talking about Ubes?

Roy Cooper's evidence or the Durham Police?"



Great question!

We have no idea what evidence Cooper had, but we do know that the Durham Police had none.

Anonymous said...

kilgo, why don't you tell us what evidence there was that proved the accused guilty.

motormouth

unbekannte said...

AG Cooper reviewed whatever evidence Mr. Nifong had generated. I believe that included the DNA evidence Mr. Nifong tried to withhold.

Mr. Cooper's investigators also interviewed Ms. Mangum, Something Mr. Nifong did not do until 9 months into the case.

Anonymous said...

kilgo again shows he is incapable of meaningful comment.

motormouth

Anonymous said...

kilgo remains silent.

motormouth

unbekannte said...

kilgo:

Whose DNA was detected on crystal mangum after she alleged that multiple attackers, not using condoms, penetrated her and ejaculated on her?

Anonymous said...

the unkbown one: Whose DNA was detected on crystal mangum after she alleged that multiple attackers, not using condoms, penetrated her and ejaculated on her?

Probable candidates are Nifong, Gottlieb, Chalmers, Baker, Rev Barber, Cline, Wagstaff, and Brodhead.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and last but certainly not least:

Sidney Harr

Anonymous said...

With regard to the previous comment, how about kilgo?

kilgo remains silent.

motormouth

Anonymous said...

"Its[the media's] goal was to mold the minds of the gullible flock to believe that the determination of 'innocence' had been legally reached and carried legal weight."

Sidney, what was illegal about Mr. Cooper's belief that no crime had happened and that those accused were innocent?

Innocence is not determined by legal weight. Innocence is determined in the real world by whether or not one committed a crime. Evidence showed that Ms. Mangum had not been raped. The way you use sexual assault is a dodge to justify why Mr. Nifong tried to prosecute a rape case when he had no evidence of rape.

Your belief that the Lacrosse players are guilty is what carries no legal weight.

You are the one who believes he can mislead a gullible public.

yes it's me, motormouth.

Anonymous said...

"What Ms. Mangum authored in her book, "Last Dance..." is her account of what took place at the Duke Lacrosse party in 2006, and it describes a sexual assault."

"'[Crystal] stands by her story that she was sexually assaulted in March 2006..."

Sidney, it seems you have not stood by your assertion, that Ms. Mangum never waivered from her claim that she had been raped.

Again, you are grasping at some rather feeble straws to justify Mr. Nifong prosecuting three innocent men for rape when he had no evidence that said rape had ever happened.

Why did you for so long assert that Crystal all along alleged she had been raped?

Where did the description of the rape in the medical record come from. Where did the police affidavit alleging rape come from?

Why did Mr. Nifong say initially that he was certain a gang rape had occurred?

motormouth

unbekannte said...

Crazy Sidney:

Would you care to comment on this statement from Woody Vann who represented Ms. Mangum after she tried to run down a police officer with a stolen vehicle?

"Mr. Vann said Mr. Nifong could drop the case but the political price would be high. 'He'd have hell to pay from the African American Community,' he said."

You can download pdf containng this statement: [PDF] Prosecutor's Silence on Duke Rape Case Leaves Public With Plenty ...

unbekannte said...

Crazy Sidney:

Do you agree with this?(found at http://www.vdare.com/stix/070113_duke.htm)

"In the American criminal justice system, it is illegal for a prosecutor to charge anyone with a non-existent crime. And it is not the prerogative of any jury to decide the fate of falsely charged defendants."

What evidence did Mr. Nifong have that Ms. Mangum had been raped?

He had the Duke defendants indicted and charged with first degree rape.

Anonymous said...

Crazy Sidney, this is also from http://www.vdare.com/stix/070113_duke.htm:

"Even if one had initially believed the highly-doctored official story that the players had RAPED[emphasis added] Mangum, there was never any basis for the charges of first-degree kidnapping and first-degree sexual offense. Indeed, the remaining charges are so logically dependent on the rape charge, that they can no more be sustained after the rape charge's dismissal than one can remain up in a tree after sawing off the branch one is sitting on."

unbekannte said...

Crazy Sidney, the last comment was from me.

unbekannte said...

More for Crazy Sidney:

From http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1706546/posts?page=301:

"A grand jury has indicted three lacrosse players _ Reade Seligmann, 20; Collin Finnerty, 19; and David Evans, 23 _ on charges of RAPE[emphasis added], kidnapping and sexual offense."

Who sought those indictments? Mr. Nifong did.

Anonymous said...

Crazy Sidney:

"The lacrosse players and their attorneys have said the test results would prove the rape allegations are false. Police, applying for a court order compelling the DNA samples from 46 players, said the tests would 'show conclusive evidence as to who the suspect(s) are in the alleged violent attack upon this victim.'"

The police obviously believed the perpetrators of the alleged crime had left evidence. They would certainly not asked for the above referenced court order if they believed no evidence had been left.

Your dodge, that a sexual assault could have happened and not left evidence IS guilt presuming.

The Great Kilgo said...

..


Wow ! !



Two Lacrosse Cranks

Spinning in Unison.



Faster Cranks Faster !


Vrooom ! !

Vroooom ! !

Vrooooom ! !



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Anonymous said...

Crazy Sidney, what do you think of this?

I tell you, the more you hear about his[Nifong's] missteps, the more you have to question whether it’s purely a matter of incompetence or worse,” said JAMES E. COLEMAN[emphasis added], a law professor at Duke University who has been critical of Nifong.

unbekannte said...

quack kilgo quack
squirm kilgo squirm
Then, as you usually do, go back to your lair and hide from the truth.

unbekannte said...

Crazy Sidney, Here is what WRAL said about Ms.Mangum's book:

"She describes in detail being RAPED[emphasis added] but never identifies her alleged attackers and never mentions Finnerty or Seligmann in the book. She also says it is difficult for her to remember everything about her attackers.

Anonymous said...

Crazy Sidney:

The indictments against Colin Finnerty and Reade Seligman said that they did forcibly ravish and carnally know Ms. Mangum.

That is rape for which they were indicted.

Anonymous said...

"Cranks





Every last one of you."

And you have no capability to answer us, do you kilgo?

motormouth

Anonymous said...

kilgo remains silent

Anonymous said...

"In the American criminal justice system, it is illegal for a prosecutor to charge anyone with a non-existent crime. And it is not the prerogative of any jury to decide the fate of falsely charged defendants."

Sidney, you do believe a crime had happened and the Lacrosse players had committed it. Why else would you rant and rave about a jury never deciding the fate of the Lacrosse defendants

Why do you think the Lacrosse players did it?

Nifong Supporter said...


unbekannte said...
"Crazy Sidney, consider this about the possibility that you may be sued for libel.

If Mr. Daye's family does sue you, they will probably also sue your Internet Service Provider. Your ISP has responsibility for what they allow you to publish. They also have deeper pockets than you do.

To defend itself, your ISP would have to prove what it allowed you to publish is true. To do that they would have to know your sources.

Also, plaintiff's attorney would also want to depose whoever your sources might be.

If you decline to disclose your sources, you and your ISP could find yourselves with judgments against you, probably hefty judgments.

You seem to have painted yourself into an inescapable corner."


If I am not mistaken, the truth is an adequate defense against a libel complaint.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
"Crazy Sidney, what do you think of this?

I tell you, the more you hear about his[Nifong's] missteps, the more you have to question whether it’s purely a matter of incompetence or worse,” said JAMES E. COLEMAN[emphasis added], a law professor at Duke University who has been critical of Nifong."


I know that Professor Coleman and I are polar opposites when it comes to our views on Mike Nifong and the Duke Lacrosse case. However, he is still an extremely nice person, and one whom I consider to be a friend.

Nifong Supporter said...


unbekannte said...
"'I believe the police should have at least investigated the possibility.[that Mr.Daye was murdered in the hospital]'

What probable cause did they have to believe he was murdered in the hospital?"


Because Daye was on the mend and ready for discharge when he suddenly and unexpectedly slipped into a deep coma, suggests that homicide should be taken into consideration, especially if his death can be wrangled into charging Crystal Mangum with murder.

Nifong Supporter said...

Hopefully I will have in my possession all the documentation necessary for me to fully explain what transpired on the morning of April 3, 2011. Hope to have it posted in flog and blog form no later than Monday.

Anonymous said...

"Because Daye was on the mend and ready for discharge when he suddenly and unexpectedly slipped into a deep coma..."

How do you know Mr. Daye was on the mend and ready for discharge? Is that first hand knowledge or something reported to you by your sources?

Anonymous said...

"I know that Professor Coleman and I are polar opposites when it comes to our views on Mike Nifong and the Duke Lacrosse case. However, he is still an extremely nice person, and one whom I consider to be a friend."

So why do you intend not to call him as a witness in your lawsuit? Your account of your experience at Duke he was a witness.

Anonymous said...

"If I am not mistaken, the truth is an adequate defense against a libel complaint."

How would you show you told the truth?

The Great Kilgo said...

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The Award for Best Lacrosse

Crank of the Week is


" unbekannte " ! ! !


Ubes is making a comeback performance

and once again reminding us all

there is nothing as crazy as

a Lacrosse Rape Supporter ! !


Way to Go, Ubes !



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Anonymous said...

.









At lest Ubes

Says something.



Kilgo simply

Wastes time

And space.







.

Anonymous said...

kilgo again shows he is incapable of meaningful comment.

unbekannte said...

kilgo, it is people like you who support the rape claim directed by the false accuser against the three innocent Duke Lacrosse players.

unbekannte said...

Crazy Sidney:

Do you support the statement, that one falsely accused of a crime should not have to be tried by either judge or jury to determine guilt?

unbekannte said...

Crazy Sidney, this is more about being falsely accused of a crime.

Is it possible to demonstrate before a trial that an individual has been wrongfully accused of a crime? Is it possible too demonstrate before a trial that the accused did not commit the crime?

What say you.

Anonymous said...

"Hopefully I will have in my possession all the documentation necessary for me to fully explain what transpired on the morning of April 3, 2011. Hope to have it posted in flog and blog form no later than Monday."

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.

unbekannte said...

Crazy Sidney, it ha been a few hours since my last post. You have not answered. I will give you some help.

Do you think that it could have been demonstrated pre trial that Alan Gell could not have committed the murder of which he was convicted?

unbekannte said...

"Because Daye was on the mend and ready for discharge when he suddenly and unexpectedly slipped into a deep coma, suggests that homicide should be taken into consideration, especially if his death can be wrangled into charging Crystal Mangum with murder."

Sidney, you have no first hand knowledge of Mr. Daye's condition. You have never viewed the Medical record. You probably ever saw him in the hospital.

Why do you not consider the high probability that Ms. Mangum's identification of assailants was "wrangled" to give Mr. Nifong an excuse for charging Lacrosse players?

Nifong Supporter said...


unbekannte said...
"Crazy Sidney, it ha been a few hours since my last post. You have not answered. I will give you some help.

Do you think that it could have been demonstrated pre trial that Alan Gell could not have committed the murder of which he was convicted?"


First, I have mentioned on more than one occasion that I do not have web access at home. (I think it's too expensive and a rip-off.)
I access the internet at the public library, where it's free. Therefore precious little of my online daily time allotted at the library is devoted to answering commenters... unfortunately.

Regarding Gell, yes. I believe that evidence was present pre-trial in the prosecutor's possession that should have led prosecutor David Hoke to dismiss the murder charge against him.

Nifong Supporter said...


NOTE: I have seen, and have in my possession an electronic copy of Reginald Daye's criminal record. It accurately reflects what my sources had related to me earlier.

A copy of it will be produced in an upcoming flog... Hopefully uploaded no later than Monday or Tuesday.

Anonymous said...

"NOTE: I have seen, and have in my possession an electronic copy of Reginald Daye's criminal record. It accurately reflects what my sources had related to me earlier.

A copy of it will be produced in an upcoming flog... Hopefully uploaded no later than Monday or Tuesday."


The suspense is killing me.


Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.

The Great Kilgo said...

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Sidney has Out-LieStopped



the L I E S T O O P I D S ! !




Where are the liestoopids on this?



Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.


Out - to - Lunch ?


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Anonymous said...

kilgo shows again he is incapable of meaningful comment.

unbekannte said...

From Sports Illustrated:

"You've got a prosecutor playing to race," he[Professor James E. Coleman] says. "It's disgusting. If he's willing to [make race an issue] to go after what he thinks are three white kids with influence, what will he do going against some poor black kid in a case where people are saying, 'You've got to convict somebody?' To me, a prosecutor who's willing to cut corners in any case is a prosecutor who's subverting justice."

Crazy Sidney, have you ever asked your friend why he thought Mr. Nifong's conduct was somewhat less than ethical and honorable.

The Great Kilgo said...

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meaningless comments




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for meaningless


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Lacrosse Cranks ! !


Whoopee ! !



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unbekannte said...

kilgo:

squirming
quacking
still knows he's f----d

Anonymous said...

kilgo, what do you mean?

motormouth

Anonymous said...

Sidney
Simple question. And asking you for a straight answer. What credentials, special knowledge, expertise, do YOU possess that is verifiable, that would make anybody givr credence to your versions of Mangum's stories? In other words, what PROOF do you have that your allegations about any of this mess surrounding Mangum are true? Lets skip all the nastiness, the Obfuscation, the racist undertones. Just answer the question? Straight up.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Sidney,

Why not publish the url via which you obtained your electronic copy of the purported criminal history.

Why don't you do it before you publish your next flog/blog/whatever.

Whoever might be interested could download their copy to compare with what you publish.

Anonymous said...

This is a call to the members of the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong. Stand up and be counted.

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.

Anonymous said...

Sid, you are tool.

The Great Kilgo said...

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Sid - expect a relentless barrage

of the usual nonsense from the

Lie Stoopids in the next 48 hours.

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.



.

Anonymous said...

Who are the Lie Stoopids?

Anonymous said...

Kilgo,

We should continue the discussion of Gottlieb's grand jury testimony you suggested. I agree with you that his deposition supports the conclusion that he committed perjury. That would suggest Nifong's case was built on lies.

Anonymous said...

Sidney, you are correct that Mr. Daye has a criminal record, but it is of relatively minor offenses.

There is at least one other Reginald Daye from Durham. His age is given as 35. That is 11 yeqrs younger than the Reginald Daye who was stabbed.

You first claimed Ms. Mangum was 35 years younger than her late boyfriend. Do we have a freudian slip here?

It will be interesting to see what you post.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
"'Its[the media's] goal was to mold the minds of the gullible flock to believe that the determination of 'innocence' had been legally reached and carried legal weight.'

Sidney, what was illegal about Mr. Cooper's belief that no crime had happened and that those accused were innocent?

Innocence is not determined by legal weight. Innocence is determined in the real world by whether or not one committed a crime. Evidence showed that Ms. Mangum had not been raped. The way you use sexual assault is a dodge to justify why Mr. Nifong tried to prosecute a rape case when he had no evidence of rape.

Your belief that the Lacrosse players are guilty is what carries no legal weight.

You are the one who believes he can mislead a gullible public.

yes it's me, motormouth."


For the sake of accuracy, I have never stated that I felt the Duke Lacrosse defendants were guilty. And my opinion, whatever it may be, like Attorney General Roy Cooper's opinion, carries no legal weight. The only authority Attorney General Cooper had on April 11, 2007, was to determine whether to proceed to trial or drop the charges. Period.

Nifong Supporter said...


unbekannte said...
"Crazy Sidney:

Would you care to comment on this statement from Woody Vann who represented Ms. Mangum after she tried to run down a police officer with a stolen vehicle?

'Mr. Vann said Mr. Nifong could drop the case but the political price would be high. 'He'd have hell to pay from the African American Community,' he said.'

You can download pdf containng this statement: [PDF] Prosecutor's Silence on Duke Rape Case Leaves Public With Plenty ..."


Mr. Vann, of course, is entitled to his opinions. I do not buy them regarding that issue. The African American community was never behind Mr. Nifong... in fact, the opposite was true. I am not aware of any support for Mr. Nifong's prosecution of the case. Furthermore, the bogus poll that ABC 11 sponsored that was carried out by SurveyUSA was worthless. It made absolutely no sense.

Had Mr. Nifong caved into pressure and dropped his prosecution of the Duke Lacrosse boys, he would have been swept back into the D.A. office unopposed. As it is, the black community does not get upset about what is currently happening to Crystal Mangum. Nor have I heard any concern from the black community about the unjust treatment of Erick Daniels.

Vann's opinion about this, in my opinion, do not hold H2O.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
"Hey, Sidney,

Why not publish the url via which you obtained your electronic copy of the purported criminal history.

Why don't you do it before you publish your next flog/blog/whatever.

Whoever might be interested could download their copy to compare with what you publish."


Patience... patience. I will hopefully have my flog/blog posted tomorrow... or Tuesday at the latest. I want to use both Daye's criminal record and his Certificate of Death to put the entire issue into perspective. There's a lot of work to do, but it will hopefully be online before long.

Anonymous said...

"Furthermore, the bogus poll that ABC 11 sponsored that was carried out by SurveyUSA was worthless. It made absolutely no sense."

Please tell us why the poll was bogus and made no sense?

Was there ever any poll pre primary that showed Mr. Nifong was winning?

The only pre primary poll was Freda B;\lack's poll. It showed Mr. Nifong had 20% of the vote.

The final election result showed Mr. Nifong with more than 20% of the white vote, more than 20% of the black vote.

How does that show Mr. Nifong lost support after he made an issue of the false rape allegations.

You can not come up with any evidence that allegation was true.

Anonymous said...

"The African American community was never behind Mr. Nifong... in fact, the opposite was true."

You have nothing to support that allegation save some meaningless statistics.

One thing about statistics is: figures do not lie but liars do figure.

The Great Kilgo said...

..





The Black political action committee

endorsed Bishop in the primary.


* I D I O T S *





..

Anonymous said...

kilgo shows he is incapable of meaningful comment

Anonymous said...

So Bishop had the coveted endorsement for a significant component of Durham Democratic primary voters. Why did he finish a weak third?

The Great Kilgo said...

..



Here is novel idea for the Lacrosse Cranks:


The Duke Perps were quite rightly indicted

by the Grand Jury, based upon Irrefutable Evidence

which Corraborated the Victim's account,

in which she is forced into a Bathroom and Assaulted.



Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.


But they're Innocent ! !


Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.


There is no evidence.


Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.


Roy Cooper said so.


Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa,

Bawawawawa.


..

Anonymous said...

The Great Kilgo just can't get it through his thick skull.No white man would ever want to have sex with ugly prostitute Crystal Man-gum.We like attractive women,in other words white ones.

unbekannte said...

silly killy:

The evidence presented to the grand jury was irrefutable because anyone who could have refuted the evidence was not permitted to appear. Mr. Nifong was the person who decided what would be presented. Even if he had not tried to withhold exculpatory evidence, it is preposterous to believe he presented any exonerating evidence.

You have quoted Mark Gottlieb's testimony to the state bar about what he testified to the grand jury. What he actually said can not be verified because no record of NC grand jury proceedings is kept. You have no first hand knowledge of what was presented. Ergo, you do not know whether it was irrefutable.

In most rape cases handled by Mr. Nifong's DA office, the first step was to seek arrest warrants. That would trigger a probable cause hearing in which the accused would have a chance to refute the accusation. Why did Mr. Nifong not want a probable cause hearing.

To say Mr. Nifong presented irrefutable evidence is like commending a surgeon who never operates for zero surgical mortality.

Anonymous said...

Well. We are all just panting with anticipation, Sid. Cant wait for your next enlightened message. Hate to burst your ego bubble, but most all of us.........the dumb lemmings that we are........ Dont give a hoot about your sermons. Provide facts evidence etc.......thst 's what YOU want in your "suit" against duke, right? When you stop ranting and bragging and blowing smoke.....then us lemmings will give you some street cred. Until then, rave on..........

Anonymous said...

kilgo, do you believe the grand jury heard irrefutable evidence that Ms. Mangum killed Reginald Daye?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
"Well. We are all just panting with anticipation, Sid. Cant wait for your next enlightened message. Hate to burst your ego bubble, but most all of us.........the dumb lemmings that we are........ Dont give a hoot about your sermons. Provide facts evidence etc.......thst 's what YOU want in your 'suit' against duke, right? When you stop ranting and bragging and blowing smoke.....then us lemmings will give you some street cred. Until then, rave on.........."


Work on the flog is taking longer than expected. It will contain facts... information that the media ignores and refuses to publish in order to enlighten the masses. That is why my flog is so important. Hopefully it will be posted no later than Wednesday, May 4th.

Anonymous said...

Sid -- This whole section has me confused:

"....it was Ms. Mangum...doing the only work she could get at the time, dancing....By moving in with Daye, she prevented his impending eviction and was able to provide shelter for herself and her three children."

Wasn't there an entire organization ("Friends of Crystal Mangum") created to support her after the events in February? If so, why didn't this organization

a) Assist her in finding a more "socially acceptable" (your words) job?

b) Provide shelter for Crystal and her children?

It would seem to me that an organization purporting to be your "friend" would be primarily concerned with these most basic physiological and safety needs (think Maslows's hierarchy).

Anonymous said...

So, I just saw, in print, Daye's record. He got in trouble in 86, petty larceny, dismissed. He got in trouble in 88, breaking and entering/assualt on a female..three charges around the same incident. All misdemeanor, three of four dismissed. since then, nothing, Sid. Now, there's an arch criminal if I ever saw one! And, by the way, what's your point, Sid? Is the presence of a criminal record de facto evidence that the person with the record is automatically the perp, the starter of the ruckus, the instigator of the fight, the one who struck the blows? If so, how about we check out Mangum's record and see what hers looked like the night she was supposedly attacked by those hooligans? Now, Sid, does the same standard apply to Sister Survivor as you want to apply to Mr. Daye? Remember the Group of 88, Sid? You are now an honorary member. Let's all congratulate Sid on being Number 89!!

Anonymous said...

This blog proves one thing-Dr.James Watson's theories of racial IQ differences are correct.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ May 2, 2011 7:23 AM

I have also seen Mr. Daye's record. What you present is accurate.

I say this again.My search turned up two Reginald Daye's of Durham NC, one of whom is 35 years old.

I wonder whivch Reginald Daye's record Sidney will present.

unbekannte said...

kilgo:

Are you saying that at the Grand Jury Mr. Nifong proved guilt of the accused beyond reasonable doubt? the word "irrefutable" would suggest that.

Mr. Nifong sought and got indictments for first degree rape in April of 2006. In December of 2006, he dropped the rape charge. According to Sidney, he realized he did not have the evidence to convict the defendants of rape.

That would suggest that Mr. Nifong's evidence was not irrefutable.

If Mr. Nifong's evidence was irrefutable, why did he duck a probable cause hearing? If he had irrefutable evidence, what would he have to fear from a probable cause hearing.

Let's have a coherent answer instead of your usual squirming and quacking and babbling.

Anonymous said...

"It[Sidney's flog] will contain facts... information that the media ignores and refuses to publish..."

Sidney, you have never published facts. You have published only unsupported allegations.

motormouth

Anonymous said...

"I live in Raleigh, do not own a car, and the trip to Durham to pick up Daye's criminal record would be time consuming."

Sidney, I found Mr. Daye's record by searching the internet. I did not either need a car or travel to Durham.

unbekannte said...

kilgo:

These are facts.

Crystal alleged a rapr. Mr. Nifong sought indictments for rapre. The rape described in the medical record was an attack by multiple assailants not wearing condom who penetrated multiple orifices and ejaculated.

Forensic exam of the rape kit showed that no material, e.g. blood, semen, saliva, was found on the rape kit. The only male DNA recovered from intimate areas of her body matched males who were not members of the lacrosse team.

A false fingernail is not an intimate part of her person.

How does that constitute irrefutable evidence "which Corraborated the Victim's account,

in which she is forced into a Bathroom and Assaulted"?

Anonymous said...

Just for clarification, I matched the record I purchased, online, by Mr. Daye's full name, including his middle name, Eugene, and by his date of birth. There is absolutely nothing in his record that would justify or support Sid's slur of this now deceased man's character. Shame on you, Sid. I hope, upon your demise, that your reputation is treated with a bit more respect than you have shown to Mr. Daye.

Anonymous said...

Sources are reporting there is 99.9% certainty that Bin Laden is dead, based on DNA sampling.

Likely, someone will say that DND found on one of Crystal's fingernails matched David Evans with 99.9% certainty.

The question that does not answer is, how does that establish suspicion of a rape? One can get foreign on one's hand just by touching someone.

It does not answer the question why no DNA matching Mr. Evans was ever found on Crystal's person, on areas where the description of the alleged crime said DNA would be found.

Call this being proactive. kilgo, for example thinks the fingernail DNA was incriminating.

Anonymous said...

Sidney, your constant alterations of your publishing schedule suggests you have no facts, no truths to reveal.

Anonymous said...

kilgo, saying irrefutable evidence was presented to the grand jury ois like saying a pitcher threw a perfect game in a game in which the opposing team was never allowed to bat.

Anonymous said...

"First degree murder in a man whose death was without doubt not related to a stab wound he had received."

Sidney, you do not know that. You have not seen the medical record.

Did you ever see Mr. Daye in the hospital prior to his death.

Anonymous said...

Kkilgo, please note this quote from Sidney:

"People in the legal profession and most media-types are aware of that and realize that only a jury, or a judge in lieu of a jury can determine “innocence” or “guilt.” If the Attorney General possessed such power, there would be no need to hold a trial."

If the evidence presented to a grand jury is irrefutable, then what need is there for a trial?

No legal authority would say that a grand jury indictment is tantamount to a guilty verdict. Therefore, evidence presented to a grand jury is not by definition irrefutable.

Anonymous said...

"I don’t know what kind of investigation the Durham Police Department undertook with regards to the stabbing incident, but with Daye’s criminal record (which I have been told includes an assault against a female) there is a great likelihood that the April 3rd stabbing was an act of self-defense on Crystal Mangum’s part."

In view of Crystal stealing a car, leading deputies on a high speed chase, and then attempting to run down one of the deputies, there is a greater likelihood Crystal attacked Mr. Daye.

Crystal's blood alcohol at the time she attempted to run down the deputy was reported at 0.19, more than twice the legal limit for drunkenness. Using your logic, Sidney, shouldn't that have raised questions as to whether or not Ms. Mangum was drunk at the time of the assault?

Anonymous said...

"Although I am not a Durham County resident I have been appalled at the recent treatment of Ms. Mangum by the state, and on the morning of Monday, April 18th, I mailed letters to Durham Police Chief Jose Lopez and Durham District Attorney Tracy Cline advising them against seeking to indict Ms. Mangum in Reginald Daye’s death. I later learned that at the time I was dropping off my letter at the post office, a Grand Jury had been convened and had given the prosecution the murder indictment against Ms. Mangum that it had sought."

A lot of your pro Nifong posters, particularly kilgo, have argued that the Grand Jury indictment of the innocent Lacrosse players indicated that a crime had happened.

The Great Kilgo said...

..

What's Good Enough for Bin Laden
Should be Good Enough for Dave Evans

Don'cha Think ?

Rapid ID of Bin Laden Uses Relatives' DNA Matches
By Jeremy Hsu, InnovationNewsDaily Senior Writer
02 May 2011 1:02 PM ET

DNA testing reportedly has provided "99.9 percent certainty" that the person U.S. forces shot to death Sunday in Pakistan was Osama bin Laden.

So certain an identification of bin Laden’s body would depend upon whatever genetic material the U.S. government could get from other sources for comparison, a forensic DNA expert noted today (May 2), and would be made easier by any unusual features in the genetic makeup of the mastermind behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

"If he had very rare alleles [gene variants], one family member might be enough to get certainty," said John Butler, a leading expert on forensic DNA analysis at the National Institute of Standards and Technology. "If he has a common genetic profile, you might need more relatives."

The U.S. government would have to compare its "question sample" from bin Laden, who reportedly was shot to death by U.S. forces, with known samples that form his known genetic profile.

Known samples would likely be from close family members, which would allow the government to look for indirect matches, said Butler, who works for the institute’s biotechnology division in Gaithersburg, Md., told InnovationNewsDaily. It is less likely, Butler said, that the U.S. government has DNA taken from something like bin Laden's razor or toothbrush with which to make a direct match.

The U.S. government initially compared the DNA from the body to that of a sister of bin Laden’s who died in Boston, ABC News reported. But having more genetic samples from different family members would boost the certainty of any identification from DNA testing.

The Associated Press cited sources in reporting that the identification of bin Laden has only a 0.1 percent chance of error.

..

Anonymous said...

kilgo, see my previous comment from May 2, 2011 9:28 AM. Somehow I knew you would make something of this.

I will ask again. How does finding DNA consistent with Mr. Evans' DNA on Crystal's fingernail establish probable cause for rape? Shake some woman's hand and tou will leave your DNA on her hand. Should that make you a suspect for raping her?

Mr. Evans DNA was not found on any of the rape kit material. Neither was the DNA of any other Lacrosse player. Can you refute those facts?

So why is it not ruled out that Ms. Mangum was raped by members of the Lacrosse team?

I say again, what was alleged was a rape which would have left the perps' DNA on the rape kit.

Anonymous said...

kilgo:

"What's Good Enough for Bin Laden
Should be Good Enough for Dave Evans

Don'cha Think ?"

No.

First, tell us why Mr. Evans should have been charged with Rape?

Since when is the finding of foreign DNA on a fingernail, false or otherwise, indicative of Rape?

Anonymous said...

kilgo:

Ms. Mangum could have gotten Mr. Evans' DNA on her fingernail during an attempt on her part to add him to her list of tricks.

"Don'cha Think ?"

Ms. Mangum was a sex worker.

Anonymous said...

"What's Good Enough for Bin Laden
Should be Good Enough for Dave Evans

Don'cha Think ?"

Nope.

David Evans is an honorable young man who has never harmed anyone. He deserves a lot better than a ruthless killer.

Anonymous said...

"What's Good Enough for Bin Laden
Should be Good Enough for Dave Evans

Don'cha Think ?"

Yes, I do. They should check the rape kit for any and all DNA matches to Dave Evans.

Oh, that's right...ALL of the LAX players were excluded as possible contributors of the DNA from MULTIPLE males found on items in the rape kit.

Nice try, though....Not.

Anonymous said...

kilgo:

The finding of Male DNA on a woman's false fingernail would logically suggest that she touched him, not vice versa.

Don'cha Think ?"

Oops! I forgot. kilgo is incapable of thinking. I apologize for expecting you to do something clearly beyond your capabilities.

The Great Kilgo said...

..

"The finding of Male DNA on a woman's false fingernail would logically suggest that she touched him, not vice versa."


Or Scratched him, perhaps?

In a Struggle, perhaps ?

..

Anonymous said...

kilgo:

Not likely.

There was no evidence David Evans ever assaulted Ms. Mangum.

The Great Kilgo said...

..


"There was no evidence David Evans ever assaulted Ms. Mangum. "


Corroborating evidence of Victim's
account of a Struggle:


Fingernail with Dave's DNA
(virtually 100% certain, like
bin Laden).


Police NTO photographs showing
a SCRATCH on Dave's arm.


..

Anonymous said...

kilgo, there was no evidence that David Evans ever assaulted Ms. Mangum.

Crystal Mangum's allegations were not credible.

There was no evidence the scratch on David evans was the result of Ms. Mangum's fingernail.

Even if it did, how would this establish probable cause that David Evans raped Ms. Mangum.

Ms. Mangum made her allegations. David Evans denied the allegations.

David Evans' DNA was not found on the rape kit. Neither was the DNA of any other Lacrosse player.

The evidence shows clearly and irrefutably that Crystal was not raped.

Anonymous said...

kilgo

"Police NTO photographs showing
a SCRATCH on Dave's arm."

Did the NTO photograph show a mustache?

Crystal said her third assailantn had a mustache.

The wanted poster issued shortly after the incident became public and was composed of team photos taken before the party. It showed David Evans with no mustache.

Anonymous said...

kilgo:

What you call the "Corroborating evidence of Victim's account of a Struggle" was not evidence. It was an uncorroborated allegation.

As AG Cooper pointed out, there was no evidence to corroborate the victim's allegations.

Anonymous said...

There is no way Dave Evans would have wanted to have sex with ugly prostitute Crystal Man-gum.He wasn't the one who was "passed out drunk."

The Great Kilgo said...

..

Irrefutable forensic evidence.

It matters not how Lacrosse Cranks

may feel about it.


Now what OTHER irrefutable evidence

corroborates the Victim's account

of the Night of Hell with the

lacrosse boys ?


..

Anonymous said...

from kilgo:

"Now what OTHER irrefutable evidence

corroborates the Victim's account

of the alleged]Night of Hell with the

lacrosse boys ? "

None

Anonymous said...

"Corroborating evidence of Victim's
account of a Struggle:"

David Evans statement that the allegations were lies refutes those false accuser's allegations.

Anonymous said...

kilgo said:

"Irrefutable forensic evidence.

It matters not how Lacrosse Cranks

may feel about it."

I ask again, how does male DNA on a woman's false fingernail establish probable cause that the man raped the woman?

Crystal's allegations were no more than that. Allegations are not evidence.

If Crystal had really been raped according to the description in the medical record, the perpetrators DNA would have been detected in the rape kit. DNA matching those suspected was not found. DNA matching men not suspected was found. That is irrefutable evidence that no rape happened.

Refute it if you can.

Harr Supporter said...

Kilgo,

If the Evans DNA non-exclusion and scratch was "irrefutable" proof, why did the prosecution wait another month to indict Evans? Why did they first indict Finnerty and Seligmann, against whom they had nothing except the identifications from a highly flawed procedure?

Why did the DPD not conduct a bona fide investigation? Once Mangum selected three defendants, the investigation essentially stopped. Why? They knew they had an extremely weak case at best. Why not focus the investigation and try to uncover additional evidence?

Are Gottlieb and Himan incredibly incompetent or are they corrupt?

The Great Kilgo said...

..

Irrefutable Corroborating Evidence

of the Victim's Night of Hell

in the Lacrosse House:


$ $ $ $ $


THE STOLEN MONEY

$ $ $ $ $

recovered by Durham Police

during execution of a search warrant

on a charge of Common Law Robbery.


$ $ $ $ $


..

Anonymous said...

Why didn't the DPD not investigate the stolen money? They had a complaint, recovered only apportion of the money and had names of suspects. Then they ignored it.

Did they not investigate the missing money because they didn't want to interrupt their frame?

Anonymous said...

Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo

Anonymous said...

Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo
Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo
Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo

Anonymous said...

Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo
Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo
Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo Kilgo

The Great Kilgo said...

...







V I N D I C A T E D ! ! !




The Great Kilgo Triumphs Once Again !











...

Anonymous said...

kilgo again and again shows how incapable he is of meaningful comment about the falsely accused innocent Duke Lacrosse players.

Anonymous said...

"Irrefutable Corroborating Evidence

of the Victim's Night of Hell

in the Lacrosse House:"

kilgo is wrong again

Anonymous said...

kilgo, the allegation of stolen money is nothing more than another undocumented allegation. It is evidence of nothing, other than your vicious, racially motivated hatred of innocent caucasian men.

Anonymous said...

"Why didn't the DPD not investigate the stolen money?"

They did not do so because they could not make a case for the theft, which is refutation of the charge.

Anonymous said...

No evidence of rape.

Flawed identifications.

Pot banger demonstrations.

the wanted poster.

Threats by the New Black Panther party.

The assaults by nancy disgrace and woozy wendy murphy.

Irrefutable evidence of the hell to which the innocent Lacrosse players were subjected.

Anonymous said...

kilgo triumphs again?

kilgo hasn't triumphed even once.

When challenged to reveal his extensive knowledge of the case, kilgo runs and hides.

Anonymous said...

"V I N D I C A T E D ! ! !"

That irrefutably describes the innocent, falsely accused Duke Lacrosse PLayers.

Anonymous said...

SILLY
CHICKEN
SQUIRMING
QUACKED UP
F----D
all irrefutably describe kilgo.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget:

WORMY
VICIOUS
RACIST
MALICIOUS

Anonymous said...

kilgo, how would a police mug shot of David Evans or anyone reveal a scratch on the arm?

Anonymous said...

from kilgo:

"Police NTO photographs showing
a SCRATCH on Dave's arm."

Which arm?

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