The following narrative is the product of a brief but in-depth direct conversation with Crystal Mangum (the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser) about the specific rampage by Reginald Daye during the early morning hours of Sunday, April 3, 2011 which resulted in his being stabbed and Ms. Mangum charged with first degree murder and larceny.
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In 2011, Reginald Daye was an African American male in his mid forties who was an alcoholic and imbibed prodigious amounts of beer, whiskey, and other ethanol-based liquids. Around the first part of March 2011, Crystal Mangum and her three children moved into Daye’s apartment, with Ms. Mangum contributing a washing machine and other of her possessions and financial assistance to the living arrangement. Daye, who had recently returned to work after a layoff as a commercial painter, was in arrears on his apartment rent and was threatened with eviction at the time Ms. Mangum moved in with him.
Sometime shortly after moving into the apartment with Mr. Daye, Ms. Mangum entered into an intimate relationship with him. It was at about this time that she learned from Daye, himself, that he had battered previous girlfriends. She also became of his addiction to alcohol as he drank up to a case of beer (24 cans) a day during weekdays, and a gallon of whiskey on weekends. Crystal Mangum also became aware of Reginald Daye’s possessive nature and jealous side, which resulted in his confiscating her cell phone for his own personal use and to control the calls which she made.
On March 25, 2011 and April 1, 2011, Daye purchased a cashier’s check, with both checks totaling $700.00, the amount of April’s rent. The apartment landlord was listed as the payee and Reginald Daye as the remitter. Sometime after their purchase, Daye gave the checks to Ms. Mangum with instructions to drop them off at the rental office on Monday, April 4, 2011 during its office hours… a time during which Daye was scheduled to be at work. For safekeeping, Ms. Mangum placed both checks in her purse.
On Saturday evening, April 2, 2011, Mangum and Daye attended a birthday party. Daye drank heavily, and Crystal had two Jell-o shots (Jell-o made with a mixture of gin) and a drink with gin. Crystal estimates the party began around 11:00 pm and that she and Daye returned home sometime after 2:00 am.
Upon arriving back at Daye’s apartment, the nightmare began when, according to Crystal, Daye started into his accusatory jealous rant. With no previous history of physical abuse against Crystal, Daye began punching Crystal in the face. In addition to punching her, Mangum claims that Daye spit on her. The assault by Daye took place in the living room, and Ms. Mangum retreated to the master bedroom where he caught her on the bed. He tried to pick her up as she clung to the mattress which was then deposited on the floor along with Ms. Mangum. She then ran to the bedroom’s bathroom to seek refuge and locked the bathroom door behind her. A furious Reginald Daye proceeded to kick the door off its hinges. Daye then grabbed Crystal by the hair, leaving clumps of her hair at the site, and carried her back into the bedroom.
Daye told her that he wanted her to leave his apartment immediately, but when she scurried to comply he held her and told her that she wasn’t going anywhere. Crystal was cornered in the bedroom and the apartment by Daye who wandered off and momentarily left her alone in the bedroom. He returned to the bedroom about five or ten minutes later with a pot of boiling water. Daye left and shortly returned from the kitchen with a set of steak knives which he threw at Mangum, who tried to shield herself behind the mattress.
Crystal said that Daye began having what appeared to be a psychotic conversation with an imaginary person with the discussion centering about his intention of killing her. Shortly thereafter, Reginald Daye was astride Mangum on the floor next to the mattress and he gouged at her face with his fingernails leaving small lacerations around her left eye. In a futile effort she tried to push Daye off of her but to no avail. Daye placed both of his hands on her throat and began strangling her. It was at this time, with her head throbbing, that she managed to grab a steak knife that was lying around and she blindly stabbed Daye once in the left torso. (Daye never attempted to block repeated knife thrusts and did not incur “defensive wounds” to his left upper extremity as described in the April 14, 2011 autopsy report.)
After sustaining the wound, Daye got up off of Mangum and exclaimed, “You stabbed me, Bitch!” Crystal quickly retrieved her purse (containing the cashier’s checks) and raced towards the door and ran out into the dark night and the shadows and concealment of the woods nearby. She believes that Daye was in pursuit for some time after the stabbing but is unaware when exactly he gave up the chase.
Crystal Mangum estimates this horrific episode lasted approximately an hour. After her escape, she walked to her aunt’s residence.
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The above scenario was given by Crystal Mangum of events that transpired during the early morning hours of April 3, 2011, and they are supported by evidence of the crime scene as presented in prosecution’s discovery. The prosecution’s story, which is illogical and flawed, wants the public to believe that Crystal Mangum stabbed Daye in the commission of the theft of his money.
This makes absolutely no sense as Ms. Mangum did not take Daye’s money and was not even charged with taking Daye’s money. She was charged for taking two cashier’s checks given to her earlier by Daye that she could not even convert for her own personal use… checks that she put away in her purse long before the incident involving the stabbing. It is reasonable that Crystal Mangum did not have the presence of mind, while fleeing for her life after stabbing Daye, to stop before going out the door to pull both cashier’s checks out of her purse, to leave them inside the premises, and then to continue with her escape outside.
The prosecution theory doesn’t make any sense when one considers the apartment’s disarray, with the bathroom door knocked off its hinges, tufts of Crystal’s hair in the apartment, and the physical injuries to Crystal’s face. Does the police believe Crystal kicked in the door? Does the police believe the brass knuckles belonged to Crystal? How does the police explain clumps of Crystal’s hair at the scene?
Sometime prior to the stabbing which took place around 3:00 am, it is my understanding that Crystal and Daye were outside arguing, and that Ms. Mangum approached the police officer, who I believe was called to the scene by a neighbor in the apartment complex. She pleaded for his help, but was instructed to go along with Daye back into their apartment to continue their argument. I don’t have all of the particulars of this or the timeline, so I did not include discussion of it in this blog. In the future, I will update this incident as I accumulate more firsthand information.
To show how selective, skewed, one-sided the mainstream media’s reporting of this incident has been, a link is provided below that will give a critique of but a small sampling of the media’s presentations.
LINK: http://www.justice4nifong.com/direc/flog/flogblog17.html
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 395 of 395It has not been established that daye was treated for alclhol ithdrawal. The drugs hecreceived can be, abd frequently are given for a variety of indications, including but not limited to, delirium.
To the point........nichols is correct. Period.
KDN(inny) and SIDN(inn)EY are indulging in a rather gross type of victim blamoing.
It was Reginald Daye's fault he died, because he could not tolerate the medical treatment which was made necessary by the stab wound he suffered.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL,
Did you catch the typoin my last comment?
Anonymous @ 2:34 said: "The relevant legal issue is, the assailant takes her victim as she finds him. You are arguing that Crystal is not responsible for the death because Mr. Daye had co morbidity.
" True, but if a decision was made to treat a co-morbid condition (i.e. alcoholism) because happenstance brought the patient into contact with the health care system, would that not figure into the determination ot the cause of death. Are there not two parallel misadventures at work here.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"True, but if a decision was made to treat a co-morbid condition (i.e. alcoholism) because happenstance brought the patient into contact with the health care system, would that not figure into the determination ot the cause of death. Are there not two parallel misadventures at work here."
The co morbid condition does not relieve Crystal from responsibility for Ronald Daye's death.
It is up to the court, not SIDN(inn)EY or VIC(ious)TOR(acist)IA to determine whether or not Crystal is legally responsible.
Unlike NI(nny)FONG or AG Roy Cooper, they are not officers of the court.
Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist, aka the not-so-great burned out lightbub of Raleigh":
""Answer me this. If the endotracheal tube was not misplaced initially, why after Daye went into cardiac arrest was it removed and another endotracheal tube inserted? If the initial tube was correctly positioned, why not just leave it in place?""
If you really read the medical record, which you had no legal right to read, you would have read that Mr. Daye went into cardiac arrest after he was intubated, and it was documented the tube was in the proper position, and it was documented that he was being ventilated.
One possible explanation is that the treating doctors believed the tube had become dislodged and decided to replace it.
In any event, contrary to your repeated unenlightening statements about Mr. Daye's birth, he required intubation because of the stab wound Crystal inflicted upon him. A dislodgement of the tube would not, in this scenario, relieve Crystal of responsibility for his death.
It is up to a court, in a fair trial, not you or any of your racist associates, to decide whether or not there is criminal responsibility.
Once the endotracheal tube is inserted, the cuff is inflated and the tube secured at the mouth with tape. I have never heard of a properly placed endotracheal tube with the cuff inflated being dislodged from the trachea to the esophagus. Your theory, unfortunately, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Face it... the endotracheal tube was removed because they realized it had been misplaced. The only explanation.
Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist, aka the not-so-great burned out lightbub of Raleigh":
""Answer me this. If the endotracheal tube was not misplaced initially, why after Daye went into cardiac arrest was it removed and another endotracheal tube inserted? If the initial tube was correctly positioned, why not just leave it in place?""
If you really read the medical record, which you had no legal right to read, you would have read that Mr. Daye went into cardiac arrest after he was intubated, and it was documented the tube was in the proper position, and it was documented that he was being ventilated.
One possible explanation is that the treating doctors believed the tube had become dislodged and decided to replace it.
In any event, contrary to your repeated unenlightening statements about Mr. Daye's birth, he required intubation because of the stab wound Crystal inflicted upon him. A dislodgement of the tube would not, in this scenario, relieve Crystal of responsibility for his death.
It is up to a court, in a fair trial, not you or any of your racist associates, to decide whether or not there is criminal responsibility.
Mon anonymous ami, you are mistaken about the timeline. After the contrast was introduced into the nasogastric tube, Daye vomited. The decision was then made to intubate him... which was done with an 8 mm diameter endotracheal tube, which was placed in the esophagus instead of the trachea. It was then that the heart, being anoxic, went into cardiac arrest. When CPR was begun, the initial endotracheal tube that was placed in the esophagus was removed and a smaller 7.5 mm diameter endotracheal tube was placed properly in the trachea. This allowed for the heart to be resuscutated, but the brain cells had died.
According to your comment, it would seem that Daye was intubated once, after the cardiac arrest. That is what the medical examiner and the media would want you to believe.
What I give you is the truth, which is enlightenment. All you need do is grab it.
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"Once the endotracheal tube is inserted, the cuff is inflated and the tube secured at the mouth with tape. I have never heard of a properly placed endotracheal tube with the cuff inflated being dislodged from the trachea to the esophagus. Your theory, unfortunately, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever."
What makes no sense is that anyone would call you a competent physician. I can tell you from personal experience that endotracheal tubes can become dislodged, even with the cuff inflated and the tube taped.
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist, the burnt out lightbulb of Raleigh:
"[Intubation] which was done with an 8 mm diameter endotracheal tube, which was placed in the esophagus instead of the trachea."
The medical record, which you had no legal right to post, noted that the endotracheal tube was in the larynx, and that the chest rose and fell when he was ventilated.
The cardiac arrest happened after the tube was placed in the trachea.
This statement of your is another example of how incapable you are of enlightening anyone, least of all yourself.
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)AEE(acist, the burnt out light bulb of Raleigh
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Face it... the endotracheal tube was removed because they realized it had been misplaced. The only explanation."
Face it yourself. It was documented that the endotracheal tube had been properly placed - or did you not read the medical record which you had no legal right to access.
You again show how unenlightening you are.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist), the burnt out lightbulb of Raleigh:
If you truly believe an endotracheal tube can not be dislodged, you had no business practicing medicine.
Cut and pasted from wikipedia:...... "One complication—unintentional and unrecognized intubation of the esophagus—is both common (as frequent as 25% in the hands of inexperienced personnel)[85] and likely to result in a deleterious or even fatal outcome. In such cases, oxygen is inadvertently administered to the stomach, from where it cannot be taken up by the circulatory system, instead of the lungs. If this situation is not immediately identified and corrected, death will ensue from cerebral and cardiac anoxia.----a b c d Katz, SH; Falk, JL (2001). "Misplaced endotracheal tubes by paramedics in an urban emergency medical services system". Annals of Emergency Medicine 37 (1): 32–7. doi:10.1067/mem.2001.112098. PMID 11145768
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Cut and pasted from wikipedia:...... "One complication—unintentional and unrecognized intubation of the esophagus—is both common (as frequent as 25% in the hands of inexperienced personnel)[85] and likely to result in a deleterious or even fatal outcome. In such cases, oxygen is inadvertently administered to the stomach, from where it cannot be taken up by the circulatory system, instead of the lungs. If this situation is not immediately identified and corrected, death will ensue from cerebral and cardiac anoxia.----a b c d Katz, SH; Falk, JL (2001). "Misplaced endotracheal tubes by paramedics in an urban emergency medical services system". Annals of Emergency Medicine 37 (1): 32–7. doi:10.1067/mem.2001.112098. PMID 11145768"
Nice cut and paste. I suggest you read the medical record which SIDN(inn)EY had no legal right to post. The endotracheal tube was not placed in the esophagus.
Respiratory distress started prior to the intubation. It was believed to be secondary to aspiration.
It looks like you did as much research on this as you did on Professor Johnson's "latest" DIW post.
Anonymous at 1:52 said: "Respiratory distress started prior to the intubation. It was believed to be secondary to aspiration" ........... As a consequence of treatment for alcohol withdrawl with benzodiazepines or as a resullt of his stab wound????
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Respiratory distress started prior to the intubation. It was believed to be secondary to aspiration' ........... As a consequence of treatment for alcohol withdrawl with benzodiazepines or as a resullt of his stab wound????"
As a complication of the medical treatment necessitated by the stab wound.
I am reminded of a great fiction book,Dune, that had world and aliens and giant worms and villans and underground water storage tanks, Fascinating and fun FICTION. What we have here is the harr equivalent of Dune.......eloborate misconstruction of nonsensical words into fantasy scenarios which he then weaves into his master race conspiracy. So much bunk.
Friends who are trauma surgeons have laughed out loud at harr's stupidity and ignorance when they look at the documents posted and read his dune world dribble. Believe me, folks, this wingnut has no clue. I'm no doctor so i asked people who are physicians .......and they say this is total baloney
The cause of death is not the issue. It's going to be the charge itself and i think Mangum will not wind up with first degree.......
As has been said before, put up or shut up, harr. Give her bail money and hire her an attorney
Sid,
Stop it with the "enlightenment" shtick.
It doesn't make you seem knowledgeable or even witty or clever. It makes you seem like a complete asshole.
It has become tiresome.
Anonymous @ 3:57 PM said: "Friends who are trauma surgeons have laughed out loud at harr's stupidity and ignorance when they look at the documents posted and read his dune world dribble. Believe me, folks, this wingnut has no clue. I'm no doctor so i asked people who are physicians .......and they say this is total baloney"....... I suppose, like you, these trauma sugeons will remain anonymous. Dr. Harr, although retired, has distinguished himself as a Emergency Medicine specialist and has co-authored studies that have appeared in The Annals of Emergency Medicine.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Dr. Harr, although retired, has distinguished himself as a Emergency Medicine specialist and has co-authored studies that have appeared in The Annals of Emergency Medicine."
In multiple statements SIDN(inn)EY has posted in this blog, e.g. ET tubes never get dislodged, that the medical record showed the original ET tube had been placed in the esophagus, he has demonstrated he is no a very astute or knowledgeable physician.
He is not advocating that the case go to trial so he can testify in Crystal's behalf. I suspect he does not want to be cross examined on his credentials or background.
Hilarious....... Distinguished himself? Oh brother.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
Consider this comparison which I found on the net somewhere. I do not recall the url, but the comparison is valid.
Dr. Nichols examined the body. SIDN(inn)EY examined the records.
Also, SIDN(inn)EY's training was in Emergency Medicine. Dr. Nichols training was in Pathology. SIDN(inn)EY would not know how to conduct an autopsy, what to look for and how to find it.
That he presumes he knows more about the autopsy than Dr. Nichols shows he is not a very astute or knowledgeable physician.
The question we are addressing here is whether an endo-tracheal tube was misplaced, leading to cerebral anoxia in Mr. Daye. This is an area where an Emergency Medicine specialists such as Dr. Harr has expertise.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"The question we are addressing here is whether an endo-tracheal tube was misplaced, leading to cerebral anoxia in Mr. Daye. This is an area where an Emergency Medicine specialists such as Dr. Harr has expertise."
Not necessarily. I've known ER specialist who could not intubate worth a darn.
In any event, it is obvious you have not read the medical record which SIDN(inn)EY had no legal right either to access or publish. It documents that the ET tube was properly placed.
That SIDNinn)EY could read these documents and then claim that an esophageal intubation took place indicates that SIDN(inn)EY is not a particularly astute physician.
There SIDN(inn)EY generated issues with the autopsy, namely SIDN(inn)EY's claim that the autopsy findings were deliberately fabricated. This is the same SIDN(inn)EY who has absolutely no training in pathology, who couldn't perform an autopsy if his burnt out lightbulb life depended upon it.
Let's just see what Sidney has been up to lately.
1. First he goes to Mike Nifong's house; they make up some story that will make CGM look good.
2. Sidney discusses it with Crystal to get the details straight.
3. After al this, Sidney (together with Kenhyderal) post this story on the blog, claiming he has secret unimpeachable sources for it.
4. The rest of us shoot it full of holes.
5. Sidney at first insists his sources are never wrong; besides he is an ER physician and so knows exactly what he's talking about.
6. After a while Sidney realizes his story doesn't walk, let alone fly. In consultation with Nifong, he changes his story just enough to answer our objections.
7. When we ask him what happened to his unimpeachable sources, Sidney simply points out that he, unlike so many others, is willing to acknowledge past errors. He will not, however, tell us who these sources are.
8. The cycle starts all over again, with the new, altered story.
Anonymous said...
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist, the burnt out lightbulb of Raleigh:
"[Intubation] which was done with an 8 mm diameter endotracheal tube, which was placed in the esophagus instead of the trachea."
The medical record, which you had no legal right to post, noted that the endotracheal tube was in the larynx, and that the chest rose and fell when he was ventilated.
The cardiac arrest happened after the tube was placed in the trachea.
This statement of your is another example of how incapable you are of enlightening anyone, least of all yourself.
The cardiac arrest happened after the initial endotracheal tube was misplaced... and its misplacement is what led to the cardiac arrest.
Anonymous said...
I am reminded of a great fiction book,Dune, that had world and aliens and giant worms and villans and underground water storage tanks, Fascinating and fun FICTION. What we have here is the harr equivalent of Dune.......eloborate misconstruction of nonsensical words into fantasy scenarios which he then weaves into his master race conspiracy. So much bunk.
Friends who are trauma surgeons have laughed out loud at harr's stupidity and ignorance when they look at the documents posted and read his dune world dribble. Believe me, folks, this wingnut has no clue. I'm no doctor so i asked people who are physicians .......and they say this is total baloney
The cause of death is not the issue. It's going to be the charge itself and i think Mangum will not wind up with first degree.......
As has been said before, put up or shut up, harr. Give her bail money and hire her an attorney
I have not read "Dune." I'm a fan of "Mack Bolan - the Executioner."
Anyway, ask your surgeon friends for their explanation as to why Daye went into cardiac arrest and if the endotracheal tube was properly positioned prior to the cardiac arrest, why was it pulled and another inserted during CPR.
As far as an attorney, the court has already assigned her one. Regarding bail, the truth will set Crystal Mangum free.
Anonymous said...
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Dr. Harr, although retired, has distinguished himself as a Emergency Medicine specialist and has co-authored studies that have appeared in The Annals of Emergency Medicine."
In multiple statements SIDN(inn)EY has posted in this blog, e.g. ET tubes never get dislodged, that the medical record showed the original ET tube had been placed in the esophagus, he has demonstrated he is no a very astute or knowledgeable physician.
He is not advocating that the case go to trial so he can testify in Crystal's behalf. I suspect he does not want to be cross examined on his credentials or background.
What case? That's the problem. The prosecution has no case to bring to court. Both charges lack credible evidence and the murder charge is based on a fraudulent autopsy report.
Anonymous said...
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"The question we are addressing here is whether an endo-tracheal tube was misplaced, leading to cerebral anoxia in Mr. Daye. This is an area where an Emergency Medicine specialists such as Dr. Harr has expertise."
Not necessarily. I've known ER specialist who could not intubate worth a darn.
In any event, it is obvious you have not read the medical record which SIDN(inn)EY had no legal right either to access or publish. It documents that the ET tube was properly placed.
That SIDNinn)EY could read these documents and then claim that an esophageal intubation took place indicates that SIDN(inn)EY is not a particularly astute physician.
There SIDN(inn)EY generated issues with the autopsy, namely SIDN(inn)EY's claim that the autopsy findings were deliberately fabricated. This is the same SIDN(inn)EY who has absolutely no training in pathology, who couldn't perform an autopsy if his burnt out lightbulb life depended upon it.
Frankly, I find it unimaginable that the autopsy examination report would omit the fact that Daye died after he was removed from life support and the fact that Daye was in a coma for a week.
Furthermore, the medical examiner never explains how the stab wound ended up causing Daye's brain death, coma, or actual death.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"What case? That's the problem. The prosecution has no case to bring to court. Both charges lack credible evidence and the murder charge is based on a fraudulent autopsy report."
SIDN(inn)EY shows how reluctant he is to testify in open court on behalf of Crystal. He would be forced to demonstrate he is not competent to determine whether or not the autopsy report was fraudulent.
guiowen said...
Let's just see what Sidney has been up to lately.
1. First he goes to Mike Nifong's house; they make up some story that will make CGM look good.
2. Sidney discusses it with Crystal to get the details straight.
3. After al this, Sidney (together with Kenhyderal) post this story on the blog, claiming he has secret unimpeachable sources for it.
4. The rest of us shoot it full of holes.
5. Sidney at first insists his sources are never wrong; besides he is an ER physician and so knows exactly what he's talking about.
6. After a while Sidney realizes his story doesn't walk, let alone fly. In consultation with Nifong, he changes his story just enough to answer our objections.
7. When we ask him what happened to his unimpeachable sources, Sidney simply points out that he, unlike so many others, is willing to acknowledge past errors. He will not, however, tell us who these sources are.
8. The cycle starts all over again, with the new, altered story.
Guiowen, mi amigo, you have a lively imagination. You should consider writing novels... you have the knack with your plot lines.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypoccrite)ARR(acist):
"Frankly, I find it unimaginable that the autopsy examination report would omit the fact that Daye died after he was removed from life support and the fact that Daye was in a coma for a week."
SIDN(inn)EY finds it unimaginable that the Lacrosse players are innocent, even though there is no evidence that the crime with which they were charged ever happened.
So what SIDN(inn)EY is capable of imagining is irrelevant and meaningless.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"Furthermore, the medical examiner never explains how the stab wound ended up causing Daye's brain death, coma, or actual death."
Yes he did.
SIDN(inn)EY again shows he is not a very astute or knowledgeable physician.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"Guiowen, mi amigo, you have a lively imagination. You should consider writing novels... you have the knack with your plot lines."
SIDN(inn)EY, you show you are incapable of imagining anything.
Why do you persist in demonstrating to the world that as a physician you are neither astute nor knowledgeable.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
Have you ever performed and autopsy, had any formal training in pathology?
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
Have you ever actually intubated anyone?
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
You say you adhere to the law. HUH?
Proper legal procedure in a trial is when one side offers a motion, there is a hearing and both sides argue whether or not the motion should be granted.
You do not want to argue the merits of the motions you made in open court. Considering your associate, VIC(ious)TOR(acist)IA, you are trying to intimidate the court into granting your motions.
It says your motions have no merit. Why else would you be afraid to argue the merit of your motions in open court.
Ken: "This is an area where... Dr. Harr has expertise."
Perhaps. But Dr. Harr has no credibility. He has demonstrated repeatedly that he cannot be trusted. Once he has reached a conclusion (in this case, that Crystal is innocent), he will say anything he thinks will help his cause. He ignores any facts that contradict his conclusion and spins, misstates and otherwise mangles facts that can support it.
He actively discusses subjects (such as the law) on which he has no knowledge. He refuses to learn from his mistakes (as when his legal conclusions are shown by precedent to be incorrect), preferring to ignore these corrections as "legal mumbo-jumbo." He then repeats his mistakes. For example, his constant claim that Crystal is not responsible for Daye's death because his family electively removed him from life support has no basis in the law. His repetition of an irrelevant argument makes him look like a complete moron.
Harr applies a double standard to different cases, based apparently on whether he likes or dislikes various participants. Some cases can only be resolved by going to trial--a trial is the only way to determine truth. In other cases (where he dislikes a verdict), the trial has no significance and the verdict can be ignored. He uses the same word with different meanings for different cases--again apparently based on whether he likes the people involved. Crystal is "innocent" with no trial because Sidney has reached that conclusion. The lacrosse defendants, on the other hand, are not "innocent" because their case was dropped before trial. The results of an investigation by someone other than Sidney has no importance.
Yes, Ken, Sidney may be an "expert."
However, only a fool would rely on his statements. Ken, are you such a fool?
"However, only a fool would rely on his statements. Ken, are you such a fool?"
The answer to this question was clear a couple of years ago when Kenny began to post here.
Anonymous @ 4:39 said: "The answer to this question was clear a couple of years ago when Kenny began to post here.............................. "And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell"......Matthew 5:22
Note that Kenhyderal didn't answer the question.
Guiowen -- Even Mike Nifong is too smart to be seen with the J4N gang.
Anonymous @ 11:34 said "Note that Kenhyderal didn't answer the question" .........."A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool"---As you like it: Wm. Shakespeare
Anonymous:
"Guiowen -- Even Mike Nifong is too smart to be seen with the J4N gang."
I know -- Sidney probably goes to see Mike in his kitchen every day.
Kennyhissy is trying to impress with quotes.......ooooooooo,wow.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"'And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell,......Matthew 5:22
Even the devil can quote scripture for his own advantage.
kKEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"I know -- Sidney probably goes to see Mike in his kitchen every day."
Ninny birds of a feather flock together.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)ER(acist)AL:
"'A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool'---As you like it: Wm. Shakespeare".
KEN(inny) again shows his pretensions to be considered a great thinker. No one thinks he is a great thinker, except maybe SIDN(inn)EY.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
What does scripture say about bearing false witness against one's neighbor. Read about the Good Samaratin if you are unfamiliar with the Christian concet of "neighbor".
"He who showed mercy on him" Luke 10:36. In using that parable as an allegory for this case who would you say was the one who was beaten? I beleive it was Crystal and not Daye and that in this case Dr. Harr is the Good Samaritan. I guess that makes many of you priests and Levites.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
You totally do not get it.
First, there is no evidence Crystal was beaten. Read the medical record and look at her mug shot. The ER record says she had minor injuries which required no treatment. Her mug shot shows no evidence of trauma to the head or face. The people bearing false witness against their neighbor Reginald Daye are yourself and SIDN(inn)EY.
Crystal bore false witness against three innocent men she falsely accused of raping her.
Mike NI(nny)FONG ran with that false witness and tried to wrongfully prosecute and convict the innocent men.
Meanwhile, you and SIDN(inn)EY are trying to perpetrate the false story that Crystal was raped. You are maybe saying it was people other than the Lacrosse players, but you are bearing false witness against innocent men.
Meanwhile, SIDN9inn)EY really does not give a D--N about Crystal. He uses her as an excuse to carryon his campaign of false witness against the innocent Lacrosse players. That hardly qualifies him as a good samaratin. He has taken mercy on no one.
If SIDN(inn)EY really believed in Crystal's innocence, he would go to open court and argue the merits of the motions he filed. Instead, he just postures and demands the judge grant his motions and dismiss the charges. That will never happen. Sidney cares not a whit that it will never happen. What is important to SIDN(inn)EY and to you is that you have an excuse to carry on your vendetta.
What is blasphemous is your hypocritical attempts to do conduct this campaign in the name of the Lord.
Anonymous 4:55,
I've told you Sid works hand-in-hand with Mike Nifong. That will explain everything
Hey reverend kenny.......how about you and your flock open up your hypocrite corner love offering and bail old sister victim out of jail and get her an attorney YOU think is worthy. The church of the self righteous ought to do at least that much. Or perhaps you and rev sid could open your wallets and send a sympathy card to the Daye family. Too much????? Ohm geez, rev kenny, so sorry.
Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
Have you ever actually intubated anyone?
As an ER physician, many times.
guiowen said...
Anonymous:
"Guiowen -- Even Mike Nifong is too smart to be seen with the J4N gang."
I know -- Sidney probably goes to see Mike in his kitchen every day.
Actually, since I live in Raleigh, and with my busy schedule, it is rare that I see Mr. Nifong.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"Actually, since I live in Raleigh, and with my busy schedule, it is rare that I see Mr. Nifong."
SIDN(inn)EY, if the focus of your blog were truly Mike NI(nny)FONG, you would be making time to see him, not making excuses why you do not.
"Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
Have you ever actually intubated anyone?
As an ER physician, many times."
SIDN(inn)EY, specify what criteria you used to insure that you had properly placed the tube?
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
If you intubated a patient in the ER, if the patient subsequently died, if, weeks later someone were to claim that the patient died because of a mis-plcaced tube, how would you prove the tube had been properly placed? How would your accuser document that the tube had not been properly placed?
Answer me this. If the endotracheal tube was not misplaced initially, why after Daye went into cardiac arrest was it removed and another endotracheal tube inserted? If the initial tube was correctly positioned, why not just leave it in place?
I await your answer.
I can think of several reasons. After having tried everything else, the resuscitation team may have changed out the tube out of frustration that nothing else was working. They may have come to the conclusion that the 8.0 mm tube initially placed might be too large for longer term use, and changed it out to prevent a tracheal erosion. The cuff may not have inflated properly. The first tube could have been knocked out of position during CPR. They may have replaced the 8.0 oral tube with a 7.5 nasal tube.
In the document that you label "Intubation of Daye" the proper placement of the tube is documented several ways; by the observation of chest movement, by the confirmation of breath sounds, by the appearance of fog on the inside of the tube, and by a second laryngoscopy. That means that a trained medical professional saw the tube passing between the vocal cords.
Daye was in a PEA arrest, meaning that although his EKG tracing on the heart monitor was normal, his heart was not pumping blood. If there is no blood flow through the lungs, the ETCO2 will be negative even in a properly placed ET tube. It is clear that when the ETCO2 was negative, Daye was not yet receiving chest compressions. CPR was started and his ET tube replaced, then his ETCO2 was positive.
Misplacement of the ET tube is one interpretation of what happened. So is a patient in PEA arrest not undergoing chest compressions. According to the intubation note, the tube was verified in proper position by direct visualization. It is also clearly documented that Daye was in a PEA arrest and had not yet received chest compressions.
You are stating categorically that the documents prove that Daye's brain damage was caused by a misplaced ET tube, but a PEA arrest is another, at least as valid, explanation, especially given the documentation supporting proper placement of the tube and of Daye's PEA arrest. Your smoking gun is, in actuality, a cap pistol.
Once the endotracheal tube is inserted, the cuff is inflated and the tube secured at the mouth with tape. I have never heard of a properly placed endotracheal tube with the cuff inflated being dislodged from the trachea to the esophagus. Your theory, unfortunately, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Face it... the endotracheal tube was removed because they realized it had been misplaced. The only explanation.
The above statement is absurd. I have personally witnessed a properly placed, cuff inflated, taped ET tube become dislodged, especially during the confusion of a code. They may not get dislodged to the esophagus, but you are splitting semantic hairs here. ET tubes are often not definitively secured during an arrest, as people have more important things to do during a code than properly tape the tube in place.
You have never seen an ET tube changed out after an arrest? Never had a cuff not inflate? Never seen an oral tube swapped out for a naso-tracheal tube? Never seen an ET tube changed out to a smaller size because of concerns about doing damage to the trachea? It happens all the time.
From the American College of Emergency Physician's website:
Verification of Endotracheal Tube Placement
Revised and approved by the ACEP Board of Directors April 2009
Originally approved by the ACEP Board of Directors October 2001 replacing "Expired Carbon Dioxide Monitoring" approved by the ACEP Board of Directors in September 1994 and rescinded October 2001
As an adjunct to this policy statement, ACEP's Clinical Policies Committee developed a Policy Resource Education Paper (PREP), Verification of Endotracheal Tube Placement.
The American College of Emergency Physicians endorses the following principles regarding the confirmation of endotracheal tube placement in the emergency department or in the out-of-hospital setting.
Confirmation of proper endotracheal tube placement should be completed in all patients at the time of initial intubation. Physical examination methods, such as auscultation of chest and epigastrium, visualization of thoracic movement, and fogging in the tube, are not sufficiently reliable to confirm endotracheal tube placement. Similarly, pulse oximetry and chest radiography are not reliable as sole techniques to determine endotracheal tube location.
During intubation, direct visualization of the endotracheal tube passing through the vocal cords into the trachea constitutes firm evidence of correct tube placement, but additional techniques should be used to confirm proper endotracheal tube position.
Direct visualization of ET tube passing through the vocal cords is firm evidence of correct tube placement.
End-tidal carbon dioxide detection is the most accurate technology to evaluate endotracheal tube position in patients who have adequate tissue perfusion.
Key phrase...Daye was in a PEA arrest, during which there is no tissue perfusion.
Esophageal detector devices are not as reliable as end-tidal carbon dioxide determinations for the verification of endotracheal tube placement in patients who have adequate tissue perfusion.
For patients in cardiac arrest, and for those with markedly decreased perfusion, end-tidal carbon dioxide determination may be less accurate. In these situations, if the end-tidal carbon dioxide determination is inconclusive, other methods of confirmation should be performed.
The ETCO2 measurement was not accurate, because Daye's heart wasn't pumping any blood. He may have arrested due to the aspiration, not because of the ET tube placement.
Properly placed endotracheal tubes may become displaced due to movement of patients and/or equipment. Continuous assessment of correct endotracheal tube placement with continuous end-tidal carbon dioxide monitoring is ideal. Reconfirmation of endotracheal tube position should be undertaken immediately in all patients when their clinical status deteriorates, or at any time there is concern regarding proper location of the endotracheal tube.
You've never heard of a properly placed ET tube getting dislodged?
Ultrasound imaging and transthoracic impedance methods may prove to be helpful as adjuncts to detect and monitor the proper location of endotracheal tubes. However, the evidence is currently insufficient to endorse widespread implementation of these technologies for this purpose.
this tells us that...
1. There is "firm evidence" that the Daye's ET tube was properly placed.
2. ETCO2 is inaccurate during cardiac arrests, such as the one Daye was experiencing.
3. ET tubes can and do get dislodged.
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
Read Mark Orgel's previous two posts then answer the questions:
Whenever you intubated someone in the ER, how did you document that the tube was properly placed?
If you did intubate someone, then the patient died, then weeks to months later someone claimed you intubated the esophagus rather than the trachea, how would you prove you intubated the trachea?
Allow me to quote myself from an post on May 8th. "............. Dr. Harr's has given one possible explanation for Mr. Daye's cerebral anoxia and Mark has presented another. Deposing those who treated Daye and those who attended the treatments would need to be done to get a definitive answer. The point may be moot though because, as Walt has pointed out, according to law even subsequent medical malpractice causing death would not negate the homicide charge. Crystal is not guilty of first degree murder because she was acting in self defence.
"Mark" is Dr. Mark Ogrel -- If you're going to refer to Sid as "Dr. Harr", Then DR. Ogrel deserves the same respect.
I'm sure that will be CGM's story when she testifies at her trial. However, she is a habitual liar, and will have to offer some proof, other than her story, to back that up. She had no injuries consistent with the beating she says she was subjected to, and there do not seem to be any witnesses who can back up her account. Daye has no documented history of violence, while CGM does have a history of violent behavior.
Your delusion that "the truth shall set CGM free" is ridiculous. These charges will not be dropped, and she will be tried. It's a good thing that Tracey Cline has been removed as DA, or any evidence in her favor would probably get lost or destroyed.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Dr. Harr's has given one possible explanation for Mr. Daye's cerebral anoxia and Mark has presented another. Deposing those who treated Daye and those who attended the treatments would need to be done to get a definitive answer."
In the blog post, Conspiracy in the charges against Crystal Mangum, posted April 12, 2012, is a link to Mr. Daye's medical records, http://www.justice4nifong.com/legal/cgm/mddirec.htm.
Click on that link and you get to a number of documents, one of which is entitled "12 Aprol 6,2012 Intubation of Daye". According to that document, laryngoscopy comfirmed the original ET tube was in proper position, i.e. in the trachea.
There is no evidence of misplacement of the endotracheal tube, just like there was no evidence that Crystal Mangum was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Crystal is not guilty of first degree murder because she was acting in self defence."
Just like there is no evidence that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006, there is no evidence that Crystal was acting in self defense when she stabbed Reginald Daye.
It is alleged she suffered a beating to the face and head. The ER record recorded minimal trauma which required no treatment, not the severe beating which was alleged.
Have you looked at her mug shot which was taken after her arrest? It shows no evidence of a severe beating.
Anonymous @1:43 said: "Mark" is Dr. Mark Ogrel -- If you're going to refer to Sid as "Dr. Harr", Then DR. Ogrel deserves the same respect" Thanks for the information. In future I will certainly give to Dr. Orgel,in defference to his qualificatiions, the repect he is due. I note he is a specialist in Family Medicine. As you know my friend Dr. Harr is a specialist in Emergency Medicine.
Anonymous @1:55 said: "Just like there is no evidence that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006, there is no evidence that Crystal was acting in self defense when she stabbed Reginald Daye"......... Hopefully th hair ripped from Crystal's scalp was collected and can be identified as belonging to her.
was a specialist in emergency medicine. Sid is retired and no longer practices medicine.
I'll also note that one of the "anonymous" resources (Dr. Anonymous?) has identified himself as a surgeon.
Extensions.
Ken(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Hopefully th hair ripped from Crystal's scalp was collected and can be identified as belonging to her."
Why hasn't this been done already?
KEN(inny)DER(acist)AL:
"As you know my friend Dr. Harr is a specialist in Emergency Medicine."
Your friend is not a specialist in pathology, especially forensic pathology. He is not qualified to judge whether or not an autopsy was properly conducted.
I may be a family doc, and have no special expertise in airway management in emergent situations, but I have worked in ERs, intubated patients, and I have taken the Advanced Cardiac and Advanced Trauma Life Support courses within the last 5 or 6 years. I do not claim to know more about managing respiratory arrests than an experienced ER physician.
I will, however, assert that I have a much less biased viewpoint on this matter than Dr. Harr. While I do take as accepted fact that CGM fabricated the sexual assault story at the heart of the Duke LAX hoax, I had no preconceived opinion about her innocence or guilt in the death of Mr. Daye..
Dr. Harr says that during Mr. Daye's arrest the negative ETCO2 reading is 100% assurance that the ET tube was placed improperly. My own knowledge, supported by the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) guidelines on verification of ET tube placement, agree that under certain circumstances that this is not the case. Dr. Harr states that the fact that the ET tube was replaced is 100% indicative of the tube being misplaced, that ET tubes never become dislodged. My own experience and ACEP disagree. Dr. Harr states with certainty that Mr. Daye's ET tube was placed incorrectly. My own experience and the ACEP disagree, direct visualization of the ET tube passing through the vocal cords is "firm evidence of correct placement", though admittedly not 100%.
I can only conclude that Dr. Harr's judgment is clouded by his preconceived ideas about CGM's innocence. Dr. Harr has many preconceived notions about CGM that are not supported by facts. That he remains convinced that CGM was sexually assaulted at the Duke LAX defies my ability to comprehend. Between her inconsistent and mutually exclusive statements about the alleged assault, the complete absence of physical evidence to indicate that any assault occurred, the flawed ID's and the considerable evidence (pictures, witness statements) contradicting her story, I don't even see how it is possible that there is any credible inculpatory evidence as yet unknown.
Dr. Harr seems to think that CGM has been mistreated by the legal system. To the contrary, she was very gently treated after the taxicab affair (misdemeanors? Really?! All she did was steal a car, drive drunk and almost run over a cop!), and given a huge break not being prosecuted for her lies in the wake of the LAX hoax.
So now CGM wants people to believe that she killed Mr. Daye in self-defense. Unfortunately for her, her reputation as a liar means nobody is going to believe her, and without hard evidence that she was being beaten, her story isn't going to fly with me. I have seen no evidence that Mr. Daye was a violent person, while CGM has a criminal record that includes violence.
Dr. Harr seems to think that his activism will get the charges against CGM dropped. In this too his judgement is clouded. Unless some new blockbuster evidence comes to light (and I don't believe that anything published here meets that criterion), or somebody pays her bail, CGM will not be released before trial, an event that Dr. Harr's amateurish meddling has delayed by forcing a change in defendant's counsel.
Dr. Orgel said: "I don't even see how it is possible that there is any credible inculpatory evidence as yet unknown"...... Correct, thanks to a woefully inadequate investigation of the incident by the Durham Police. For example, all who were present have not been identified. The source of some male DNA, found, has not been determined. Instead, character assassins have chosen to label her a prostitute. The names of all clients of the company she worked for are on file and she gave a complete sexual history. DNA was found for those identified by that history. The Lacrosse defense team did a masterful job, Ã la OJ Simpson's Dream Team and Casey Anthony's Jose Baez and Strauss-Kahn's Ben Brafman Crystal's type of employment made their efforts easier. It seems, in the United States, with money and the right lawyers, you can, literally, get away with any crime You talk about judgement being clouded by preconceived ideas. Well I'm here to tell you Crystal is not a drug addict, or alcoholic. She is not a prostitute or a criminal of any kind. She is a good citizen who has been stuggling to rise from humble circumstances for the betterment of her self and her children. She is not a liar. Just ask those who actually know her and don't rely on the calumnies that have been disseminated.
Anonymous @2:14 said: "I'll also note that one of the "anonymous" resources (Dr. Anonymous?) has identified himself as a surgeon" ..... Too bad he does not have the confidence in his opinions to give us his name.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Too bad he does not have the confidence in his opinions to give us his name."
Go come up with another implausible hypothesis and try to pass it off as profound thinking. Maybe you can also come up with another biblical or Shakespearian quote you can cut and paste.
kenhyderal said...
"Well I'm here to tell you Crystal is not a drug addict, or alcoholic. She is not a prostitute or a criminal of any kind. She is a good citizen who has been stuggling to rise from humble circumstances for the betterment of her self and her children. She is not a liar. Just ask those who actually know her and don't rely on the calumnies that have been disseminated."
You can tell us anything you want to Kenny, but facts speak for themselves. Your last post is comical.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
Ray Charles
If you are such a profound thinker, figure that one out.
Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.
Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"Just ask those who actually know her(Crystal) and don't rely on the calumnies that have been disseminated.
Check out the following URL:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/apr/15/where-are-crystal-mangums-liberal-supporters-now/
A lot of people who know, or who claim to know, Crystal Mangum are now keeping their distance from her. One example might be Mike NI(nny)FONG himself.
People have been talking about the tough time Crystal has had since the Lacrosse hoax. So where are all her supporters who really know her?
Malek Williams:
"Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility."
The only "vicious slander" that emanated from the Lacrosse hoax were the false accusations Crystal made and the statements Mike NI(nny)FONG made in an attempt to wrongfully convict the innocent Lacrosse players.
Malek Williams, where were you and all of Crystal's friends when she so much needed support?
Malek Williams:
"None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal."
And a lot of Adolph Hitler's biographers never met the man. Does that mean they are posting poison about him?
Malek Williams
Neither SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist) nor KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL have ever met the innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players but they post a lot of poison about them. I guess that is acceptable since said Lacrosse players are Caucasians.
KEN(inny) may now rant about racism again.
So what you are saying is that 5 unknown males, none of whom were members of the LAX team, assaulted CGM within the 6 or 7 minute window established by time stamped photos, cell phone records and eyewitness accounts, and the entire LAX team subjected themselves to prosecution as accessories in order to protect said unknown males? Oh wait...the photos were doctored, the cell phone records fabricated, the witnesses paid. CGMs driver lied when he stated that he took her to visit 4 "clients" in the days prior to the LAX party. I'm sure that she didn't have sex with any of these men in any of those motel rooms. I don't know what you call someone who performs with a sex toy in a motel room, but prostitute seems to fit nicely.
To believe the version of the LAX hoax that I subscribe to, one only needs to accept the existence of a lying stripper, a rogue DA trying to secure his pension, a few compliant police investigators, and a racially polarized Durham resentful of the "carpetbaggers" attending Duke.
To believe your version of events it is necessary to believe in a huge conspiracy that includes all 46 LAXers at the party, the other dancer, the DPD, Duke Hospital, Duke University, the cell phone companies, the eyewitnesses, alteration of photos and videos, CGMs boss at the club she worked at, the state crime lab, the NC attorney general, etc.
Another explanation for the unknown male DNA (which was NOT semen...no semen was found in or on CGM) is that CGM lied about her sexual contacts, and the DNA came from whoever her driver took her to see.
A delusion is defined as a firm belief that is maintained in the face of incontravertable evidence to the contrary. Just sayin'.
Oh, BTW, if CGM is not a liar, how do you account for her different, mutually exclusive, statements to police after the LAX party?
KEN9inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
You have yet to explain how your hypothesis could be true when testing of the rape kit confirmed that a DNA depositing rape had not occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
Calling the tests wrong or inadequate because they do not support your implausible hypothesis is not an explanation. It is an avoidance of an explanation.
Yet you think you should be considered a profound thinker.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
If you recall, we had a discussion about motive and opportunity. You said the Lacrosse party attendees had the opportunity to rape Crystal Mangum(incidentally, something disproved by the time stamped photos) but that I should provide the motive.
It was a de facto admission that you could not come up with a plausible motive.
Dr. Orgel said: "Another explanation for the unknown male DNA (which was NOT semen...no semen was found in or on CGM) is that CGM lied about her sexual contacts, and the DNA came from whoever her driver took her to see" ...... There were records as to who these clients were. No effort was made to identify them.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Dr. Orgel said: "Another explanation for the unknown male DNA (which was NOT semen...no semen was found in or on CGM) is that CGM lied about her sexual contacts, and the DNA came from whoever her driver took her to see"
followed by:
"There were records as to who these clients were. No effort was made to identify them."
That is irrelevant. The forensic testing of the rape kit, by the State Crime Lab and by DNA Security ruled out that a DNA depositing rape of Crystal Mangum happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006 at 610 Buchanan Avenue in Durham.
KENB(inny) avoids reconciling his implausible hypothesis with that piece of incontrovertible evidence.
Anonyymous @ 9:13 said: "The forensic testing of the rape kit, by the State Crime Lab and by DNA Security ruled out that a DNA depositing rape of Crystal Mangum happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006 at 610 Buchanan Avenue in Durham" ...........
DNA deposition can't be timed.
I should have said Ken(inn)Y avoids the evidence against his totally implausible hypothesis the way SIDN(inn)EY, the burned out lightbulb of Raleigh, avoids true enlightenment.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)ER(acist)AL:
"DNA deposition can't be timed."
No shit, Sherlock-wannabe.
If you recall, I once cited a reference for you that said that the sole finding of male DNA on a woman's person gives you no information as to when or how it was deposited. So you have no evidence that DNA was deposited on Crystal's person on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
The fact that the rape kit tested negative not only for Semen but also blood an saliva means that no male bodily fluids were deposited on Crystal the night of 13/14 March at 610 Buchanan Avenue.
And you can not explain how the Rape Kit could have tested negative in the face of Crystal's description of a DNA depositing rape.
Anonymous @ 7:34 said: " It was a de facto admission that you could not come up with a plausible motive".....Motive? Why do men rape? I'll refer you to an important study on this by Dr. Nicole Westmorland at The University of Durham (England) entitled The Criminological Understandings of Rape
Anonymous @9:38 said: "The fact that the rape kit tested negative not only for Semen but also blood an saliva means that no male bodily fluids were deposited on Crystal the night of 13/14 March at 610 Buchanan Avenue"....... Semen was seen at Duke but not tested for. By the time of the forensic testing occured the semen had dissipated. What the nurse saw was explained away as possibly an exudate from a vaginal infection. Unidentified DNA found was extracted from sperm cells ergo at some point there must have been semen.
KEN9inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Semen was seen at Duke but not tested for. By the time of the forensic testing occured the semen had dissipated. What the nurse saw was explained away as possibly an exudate from a vaginal infection. Unidentified DNA found was extracted from sperm cells ergo at some point there must have been semen."
Wrong again. Why does that not surprise me.
A whitish fluid was identified which was initially thought to be semen. However, no one did a wet mount on the fluid to confirm the presence of sperm cells. Ergo, it was never confirmed that semen had been deposited. Incidentally, you did describe a wet mount as unnecessary "cya" medicine.
It was a simple, definitive test which was not done and you defend the failure to perform the test and then declare that semen was found. And you want people to regard you as a profound thinker.
The rape kit was taken at the same time the fluid was noted. Your allegation that the kit was taken after the semen had dissipated is not valid.
Tests were done on the rape kit which definitively ruled out the presence of semen. Ergo, it ruled out the deposition of semen on the night of 13/14 March 2006 at the Lacrosse party.
You are correct to say"at some point there must have been semen." As you admitted in a previous comment, the timing of DNA deposition can not be timed. The finding of male DNA in the rape kit, which did not match the DNA of any of the named suspects, does not mean there were other suspects who were not named.
You again fail to explain how a DNA depositing rape could have occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006 in the face of a rape kit which showed no DNA deposition happened.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Motive? Why do men rape? I'll refer you to an important study on this by Dr. Nicole Westmorland at The University of Durham (England) entitled The Criminological Understandings of Rape".
You are again ducking the issue. You can not provide a motive why any Lacrosse player, or any one else at the party, would have wanted to rape Crystal.
A lot of Black Racists have claimed it is a given that white men have always desired black women. That claim has no legal weight. Statistics on interracial rape do not bear that out. Interracial rape is predominantly a black on white phenomenon.
Maybe you can provide a URL for that article you cited, or provide some quotes which would prove that white male Lacrosse players prey on black women.
Why don't you provide a
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I reviewed a power point presentation entitled "The Criminological Understandings of Rape". There is nothing specific in that study that would explain why any attendee at the Lacrosse party would have had a motive to rape Crystal Mangum.
Ken rightly criticizes "the woefully inadequate investigation of the incident by the Durham Police."
Ken, why did the DPD not conduct a bona fide investigation of one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history?
Ken, why was the investigation essentially limited to taking one of Mangum's numerous versions of her complaint and merely selecting defendants?
Ken, why did Gottlieb's and Himan's supervisors not supervise their activities in one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history, particularly after many of the flaws in the investigation were highlighted in media coverage?
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false?
Ken, why did Nifong not insist that the DPD conduct a bona fide investigation?
Ken, why did Nifong not interview Mangum about her allegations?
Ken, does the word "frame" accurately describe a prosecution in which the police failed to conduct a bona fide investigation and there was nothing other than fatally flawed identifications to link the accused to the alleged crime?
As i mentioned previously, surgeon friends of mine laugh out loud at harr's nonsense and flagrantly false assertions about daye's care and death. The duke trauma surgeon who cared for daye is one of the best in the countryby the way. so we have harr who claims to be a retired ED physician whohas no forensic or path experience.....and active surgeons who are appalled that the PHI was published.....and who say harr is completely off base in his wild claims. Harr's conspiracy theory grows larger and more complex every time mangum commits another crime...... Nine convictions since 2002. Next thing you know harr will tell us that joe biden is in on the "fix".......after all, biden is white and one of the dumbest foot-in-mouth homeboys inside the beltway.
There is no evidence to backup harr's fantasy. There is plenty of evidence to justify charges and a trial. I'm betting second degree or lesser.
@ Anonymous 11:49 AM......... All excellent questions. The answers to which, had they been pursued, I would have had no trpadation as to what would have been discovered.
Ken: The answers to which, had they been pursued, I would have had no trpadation as to what would have been discovered.
They are being pursued... if the courts will let them.
Pehaps you are unaware that there are civil lawsuits underway that Durham, Nifong and the other defendants have been fighting. It appears that someone has "trepidation as to what would have been discovered."
Ken, why are Durham, Nifong and the other defendants fighting discovery if they have nothing to hide?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)ER(acist)AL:
"All excellent questions. The answers to which, had they been pursued, I would have had no trpadation as to what would have been discovered."(answering questions posted by anonymous @ May 19, 2012 11:49 AM)
KEN(inny), the word is trepiation, not "trpadation". Do you know what a spell checker is.
Whether or not you have any "trpadation" is irrelevant. Apparently the police and the DA, Mike NI(nny)FONG had a lot of trepidation about the truth. It eventually did come out and reveal that Crystal did falsely accuse three innocent men of raping her.
Anonymous @ 1:23 said "Ken, why are Durham, Nifong and the other defendants fighting discovery if they have nothing to hide"......... The City of Durham, Duke University and former DA Nifong can fend for themselves. It's the real victim, Crystal, who needs the truth to come out
Anonymous@ 1:42 said: " the word is trepiation" HUH??
Anonymous @ 10:35 said: "A lot of Black Racists have claimed it is a given that white men have always desired black women. That claim has no legal weight. Statistics on interracial rape do not bear that out. Interracial rape is predominantly a black on white phenomenon".......... Three out of four African Americans, who carry European ancestry, thanks to their maternal grandmother's being raped by their owners would disagree with that assertion. Including, I might add, The First Lady of the United States.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"It's the real victim, Crystal, who needs the truth to come out"
Crystal is the victimizer, not the victim. The truth has come out, that she was not raped by anyone on the night of 13/14 March 2006, that she falsely accused Caucasian members of the Lacrosse team of raping her.
She could have filed a civil suit against her alleged attackers. Judging from the reaction of Willy Gary, no attorney would represent her.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous@ 1:42 said: ' the word is trepiation' HUH??
Touche. You got me. The word should have been "trepidatiom".
Enjoy.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Three out of four African Americans, who carry European ancestry, thanks to their maternal grandmother's being raped by their owners would disagree with that assertion. Including, I might add, The First Lady of the United States."
That is irrelevant to the contemporary situation and to the Duke rape hoax. Black racists today claim that contemporary inter racial rape happens because white men desire black women. The argument was made that this should be cause to wrongfully charge the falsely accused players with raping Crystal Mangum.
Contemporary statistics very strongly indicate that white men do not lust after black women, that interracial rape is predominantly a black on white crime. Further, the statistics indicate that most of the men who rape black women are black men.
Why are African Americans not upset about that?
Ken: Anonymous 11:49 AM......... All excellent questions.
I did not ask the questions so that you could tell me they are excellent. I asked the questions so that you would answer them.
You have shown a willingness to provide hypotheticals without evidence to confirm them. I ask that you do so here as well.
For your convenience, I will repeat the questions.
Ken rightly criticizes "the woefully inadequate investigation of the incident by the Durham Police."
Ken, why did the DPD not conduct a bona fide investigation of one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history?
Ken, why was the investigation essentially limited to taking one of Mangum's numerous versions of her complaint and merely selecting defendants?
Ken, why did Gottlieb's and Himan's supervisors not supervise their activities in one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history, particularly after many of the flaws in the investigation were highlighted in media coverage?
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false?
Ken, why did Nifong not insist that the DPD conduct a bona fide investigation?
Ken, why did Nifong not interview Mangum about her allegations?
Ken, does the word "frame" accurately describe a prosecution in which the police failed to conduct a bona fide investigation and there was nothing other than fatally flawed identifications to link the accused to the alleged crime?
Anonymous @ 2:21 said: "Contemporary statistics very strongly indicate that white men do not lust after black women, that interracial rape is predominantly a black on white crime"........... I doubt that any such statistic exists that demonstrates the first part of your statement. Can you cite it, or is this just something that you have created out of whole cloth? If that's the case it would indicate a subconcious racist attitude on your part.
kenhyderal: Can you cite it, or is this just something that you have created out of whole cloth? If that's the case it would indicate a subconcious racist attitude on your part.
And you claim you are not a troll?
@ Anonymous 2:44 ...... I can only speculate. By the time Attorney Nifong took over the investigation it was too late to revive the case, failing because of inadequate Police work. Meanwhile, the Attorneys were having a field day attacking the botched evidence collection and trashing Crystal's and Attorney Nifong's credibility. By the time their nefarious work was done public opinion had shifted and Attorney General Cooper folded.
And you claim you are not a troll?......... Is that a question or an assertion?
Ken: I can only speculate. By the time Attorney Nifong took over the investigation it was too late to revive the case, failing because of inadequate Police work. Meanwhile, the Attorneys were having a field day attacking the botched evidence collection and trashing Crystal's and Attorney Nifong's credibility. By the time their nefarious work was done public opinion had shifted and Attorney General Cooper folded.
Nifong took over the case on March 24, only 10 days after the attack was alleged to in the media have taken place. There had been little response from the defense attorneys in the media prior to Nifong's involvement. There is no evidence Copper "folded." He conducted a bona fide investigation.
Your responses are inadequate. I will ask the questions again (and keep asking them until you provide an acceptable response).
(You may also wish to explain why you deleted the comment from which I originally quoted.}
Ken rightly criticizes "the woefully inadequate investigation of the incident by the Durham Police."
Ken, why did the DPD not conduct a bona fide investigation of one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history?
Ken, why was the investigation essentially limited to taking one of Mangum's numerous versions of her complaint and merely selecting defendants?
Ken, why did Gottlieb's and Himan's supervisors not supervise their activities in one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history, particularly after many of the flaws in the investigation were highlighted in media coverage?
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false?
Ken, why did Nifong not insist that the DPD conduct a bona fide investigation?
Ken, why did Nifong not interview Mangum about her allegations?
Ken, does the word "frame" accurately describe a prosecution in which the police failed to conduct a bona fide investigation and there was nothing other than fatally flawed identifications to link the accused to the alleged crime?
My editing was flawed. I am reposting the prior comment.
Ken: I can only speculate. By the time Attorney Nifong took over the investigation it was too late to revive the case, failing because of inadequate Police work. Meanwhile, the Attorneys were having a field day attacking the botched evidence collection and trashing Crystal's and Attorney Nifong's credibility. By the time their nefarious work was done public opinion had shifted and Attorney General Cooper folded.
Nifong took over the case on March 24, only 10 days after the attack was alleged to have taken place. There had been little response from the defense attorneys, who had only recently been hired, in the media prior to Nifong's involvement. There is no evidence Copper "folded." He conducted a bona fide investigation.
Your responses are inadequate. I will ask the questions again (and keep asking them until you provide an acceptable response).
(You may also wish to explain why you deleted the comment from which I originally quoted.}
Ken rightly criticizes "the woefully inadequate investigation of the incident by the Durham Police."
Ken, why did the DPD not conduct a bona fide investigation of one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history?
Ken, why was the investigation essentially limited to taking one of Mangum's numerous versions of her complaint and merely selecting defendants?
Ken, why did Gottlieb's and Himan's supervisors not supervise their activities in one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history, particularly after many of the flaws in the investigation were highlighted in media coverage?
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false?
My editing was flawed. I am repsting.
Ken, why did Nifong not insist that the DPD conduct a bona fide investigation?
Ken, why did Nifong not interview Mangum about her allegations?
Ken, does the word "frame" accurately describe a prosecution in which the police failed to conduct a bona fide investigation and there was nothing other than fatally flawed identifications to link the accused to the alleged crime?
My editing was flawed. I am reposting the prior comment.
Ken: I can only speculate. By the time Attorney Nifong took over the investigation it was too late to revive the case, failing because of inadequate Police work. Meanwhile, the Attorneys were having a field day attacking the botched evidence collection and trashing Crystal's and Attorney Nifong's credibility. By the time their nefarious work was done public opinion had shifted and Attorney General Cooper folded.
Nifong took over the case on March 24, only 10 days after the attack was alleged to have taken place. There had been little response from the defense attorneys, who had only recently been hired, in the media prior to Nifong's involvement. There is no evidence Copper "folded." He conducted a bona fide investigation.
Your responses are inadequate. I will ask the questions again (and keep asking them until you provide an acceptable response).
(You may also wish to explain why you deleted the comment from which I originally quoted.}
Ken rightly criticizes "the woefully inadequate investigation of the incident by the Durham Police."
Ken, why did the DPD not conduct a bona fide investigation of one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history?
Ken, why was the investigation essentially limited to taking one of Mangum's numerous versions of her complaint and merely selecting defendants?
Ken, why did Gottlieb's and Himan's supervisors not supervise their activities in one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history, particularly after many of the flaws in the investigation were highlighted in media coverage?
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false?
Ken, why did Nifong not insist that the DPD conduct a bona fide investigation?
Ken, why did Nifong not interview Mangum about her allegations?
Ken, does the word "frame" accurately describe a prosecution in which the police failed to conduct a bona fide investigation and there was nothing other than fatally flawed identifications to link the accused to the alleged crime?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Here's one: http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/04/21/the-duke-rape-case-the-truth-about-interracial-rape/:
"Dr. William Wilbanks, former professor of criminal justice at Florida International University, contends that the current perception of white-on-black violence including rape and gang violence is based on myths created by many with a political agenda."
AND:
"A top criminologist, Wilbanks has studied interracial crime for more than 25 years and he’s been quoted by some of the top journalists in the business including Pat Buchanan.
When it comes to interracial rape and sexual assault, the statistics contained in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report and the Department of Justice’s National Crime Survey during Wilbanks’ study revealed that white rapists chose black victims 8,448 times.
However, black rapists chose white victims in 17,572 cases. In other words, according to Wilbanks, there were more than twice as many black-on-white rape cases as there were white-on-black cases. Overall white-on-black violence cases numbered 100,111, whereas black-on-white cases totaled 466,205. Therefore, blacks using violence against whites is over four times more likely than the reverse."
However, this is from a black friendly site:
From: http://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/04/03/black-rape-statistics/:
"On television rape is a dark-alley crime, but in fact strangers commit only 2% of rapes. Half are done by current or former boyfriends, dates and husbands. Interracial rape is rare for the same reasons that interracial marriage is rare. So rare that there are not even solid government figures on it."
Google "interracial rape statistics" and you will not find any data to indicate interracial rape is a white on black phenomenon.
The statement from the black friendly site does not indicate that lust for black women by white men is a truthful claim.
Ok, all the numbnuts who think rape, whether black, white, plaid or otherwise has anything to do with sex or lust........pleae raise your ignorant hand. Rape is a crime of rage and power abuse. It has nothing to do with lustful desire. Good lord, what century are youin, kenny hissy?
Ok, all the numbnuts who think rape, whether black, white, plaid or otherwise has anything to do with sex or lust........pleae raise your ignorant hand. Rape is a crime of rage and power abuse. It has nothing to do with lustful desire. Good lord, what century are youin, kenny hissy?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DER(acist)AL:
"By the time Attorney Nifong took over the investigation it was too late to revive the case, failing because of inadequate Police work. Meanwhile, the Attorneys were having a field day attacking the botched evidence collection and trashing Crystal's and Attorney Nifong's credibility. By the time their nefarious work was done public opinion had shifted and Attorney General Cooper folded."
Again you got it wrong.
DA Nifong took over the case early in the case. Without any evidence, he went public, declared that a crime had happened, that members of the Lacrosse team were the perpetrators, and the crime was racially motivated. He made no attempt to conduct a serious, objective investigation.
Evidence came back(the forensic testing of the rape kit) which showed unequivocally that no rape had happened. DA NI(nny)FONG decided to prosecute any way in order to curry favor with the black electorate.
Without any particular effort on the part of the Defense attorneys, it became obvious that DA NI(nny)FONG was conducting a wrongful prosecution. His unethical, illegal behavior was brought to the attention of the NC State Bar, which filed complaints against him.
It also became known that DA NI(nny)FONG concealed exculpatory evidence from the Defense, evidence he was legally obligated to turn over to the Defense. That led to more charges being filed by the State Bar.
DA NI(nny)FONG asked the Attorney General to take over, which he did. His office conducted a thorough review of the case DA NI9nny)FONG had compiled against the LAXers and concluded no crime had happened.
Because that incensed deluded megalomaniacal racists like SIDN(inn)EY and KEN(inny) we no have this vendetta against the innocent Lacrosse players.
KEN(inny) makes up completely implausible scenarios as to what happened and thinks this proves that Crystal was raped and the crime was not prosecuted.
Try again, KEN(inny). Your deluded racist ravings convince no one.
Anonymous said: "Rape is a crime of rage and power abuse. It has nothing to do with lustful desire" I totally agree. Now in the case of the Duke Lacrosse Case who had the power?
Ken: Now in the case of the Duke Lacrosse Case who had the power?
The City of Durham.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"I totally agree. Now in the case of the Duke Lacrosse Case who had the power?"
The question is irrelevant. It has been established by facts, not deluded racist ravings, that no rape occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006 at 610 Buchanan Avenue.
You still have to address the issue. Crystal, after she decided she had been raped, described a DNA depositing rape. Forensic examination of the rape kit showed conclusively that no male DNA had been deposited on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
I repeat what I have said. You say the tests were faulty or inaccurate. That is not an explanation of the issue. That is you avoiding the issue.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
What was recorded about Crystal's rape allegation, before Mike NI(nny)Fong got on the case and started making his illegal, inflammatory statements, is that Crystal wavered back and forth between, Yes I was raped, and, No I was not raped, before finally settling on, Yes I was.
That is not a credible allegation of rape.
Anonymous @6:25 said : "Forensic examination of the rape kit showed conclusively that no male DNA had been deposited on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006" No, it did not.
Anonymous @6:23 said: "The City of Durham" .......... Who did they rape, Evans Finnerty and Seligman?
Anonymous @ 6:28 said: "That is not a credible allegation of rape" Don't forget Crystal was drugged and not by her own hand, I contend. Her memories of the assult are a series of frightening images that left her suffering from PTSD for months.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"'Anonymous @6:25 said : "Forensic examination of the rape kit showed conclusively that no male DNA had been deposited on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006' No, it did not."
Explain why no semen was detected on the rape kit, which was taken just hours after the alleged crime. You have never confronted that fact. You simply have denied it.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA9cist)L:
"Don't forget Crystal was drugged and not by her own hand, I contend. Her memories of the assult are a series of frightening images that left her suffering from PTSD for months."
Crystal was drugged by her own hand. There was no evidence she was ever given any noxious drugs at the party. Since there was no assault, there could have been no PTSD from an assault.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist)
Oh burnt out light bulb of Raleigh, your latest promised blog is now two days overdue.
Ken, we continue to await your answers to the questions. Your response was not a bona fide attempt.
You raised the subject of the lack of investigation by the DPD (even if you have since deleted it). You owe an honest response to readers who responded in good faith to your comment.
Ken rightly criticizes "the woefully inadequate investigation of the incident by the Durham Police."
Ken, why did the DPD not conduct a bona fide investigation of one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history?
Ken, why was the investigation essentially limited to taking one of Mangum's numerous versions of her complaint and merely selecting defendants?
Ken, why did Gottlieb's and Himan's supervisors not supervise their activities in one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history, particularly after many of the flaws in the investigation were highlighted in media coverage?
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false?
Ken, why did Nifong not insist that the DPD conduct a bona fide investigation?
Ken, why did Nifong not interview Mangum about her allegations?
Ken, does the word "frame" accurately describe a prosecution in which the police failed to conduct a bona fide investigation and there was nothing other than fatally flawed identifications to link the accused to the alleged crime?
Ken @8:37 asks: Who did they [the City of Durham] rape, Evans Finnerty and Seligman?
Figuratively, yes.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
It has been documented that Crystal was pole dancing in a revealing costume less than two weeks after the alleged rape.
She also engaged in sex and became pregnant about 4 months after the alleged rape.
Those incidents are not consistent with a months long case of PTSD.
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You
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Kenny.
CGM supporters, how do you account for...
The numerous contradictory statements made by CGM after the LAX party?
The lack of semen or sperm in the rape kit despite CGM's sworn statement that 2 partygoers ejaculated in/on her?
The cellphone records that indicate CGM must have been on the phone during the attack?
The lack of any observable trauma to CGM's genitals..."diffuse edema" doesn't count, as her vibrator show and numerous sexual encounters prior to the party are adequate explanation...?
The time-stamped photos (which are extremely unlikely to have been doctored as they agree with watches worn by subjects in the photos)?
The lack of corroboration of CGM's story by the other stripper?
CGMs identification of players who were miles away at the time?
The lack of any date-rape drugs in her tox screen?
The absence of CGM's DNA on the towel she was allegedly wiped down with?
Even if there were unknown males at the LAX party (two non-LAXers were present, but their DNA was taken for comparison), there is still no opportunity for them to have assaulted CGM. There was still no semen, sperm or saliva from anybody found in her rape kit. She had no injuries consistent with a rape having occurred.
In short, there is a mountain of credible evidence from many different sources, including witness testimony from partygoers, neighbors, police and medical personnel, cell phone records, photographs, video, and CGM's own statements that no sexual assault occurred that night, and only CGM's statements (except the ones where she denied being raped) to indicate that there was.
I am not talking about innuendo here. CGM's ever changing statements are in the public record. That she took Flexeril and drank 2 (22 oz.) beers before the LAX party was her own admission. Her drunken police chase in a stolen taxi is a matter of public record.
I know lots of good mothers, who work hard to support their kids, and are not alcohol or drug abusers, and none of them have shown up to a meeting with a special prosecutor intoxicated on Ambien, methadone and amitriptyline. They don't steal people's car keys while giving them a lap dance. They don't leave their children for days at a time so they can meet men in seedy motel rooms (but not for sex because CGM is not a prostitute, apparently). They don't troll ERs looking for prescription drugs. They don't attempt to run over police officers. They don't ruin other people's lives with their lies.
Good people admit when they are wrong, learn from their mistakes, and try to change for the better. CGM has done none of these things, damaging dozens of truly good people's lives, and ending one.
Hey Sid, enough of this crap with Crystal. Let's get back on topic. When are going to have some justice for the Fong?
If anybody raped anybody, i would say durham's victim in residence, the habitual liar, mangum raped lady justice. Thats for damn sure!
Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist)
Oh burnt out light bulb of Raleigh, your latest promised blog is now two days overdue.
It took George Lucas more than six months to make "Star Wars." In other words, it takes time for a genius to create a masterpiece. The flog on Crystal should be posted soon.
To tide you over, I will post a new feature... in a flog form. I hope that you find it educational, entertaining, and enlightening.
To paraphrase Lloyd Benson, You, sir, are no George Lucas.
I'm sure it took Ed Wood a much shorter time to make "Plan 9 From Outer Space"
I think you probably mean Lloyd Bentsen.
Harr is an idiot racist bigot and this silly crap he writes is a waste of time........line the bottom of the birdcage with it, folks.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"It took George Lucas more than six months to make "Star Wars." In other words, it takes time for a genius to create a masterpiece. The flog on Crystal should be posted soon."
SIDN(inn)EY, you are assuming as fact something which has never been demonstrated to be a fact, that you are a genius.
You are a deluded megalomaniac.
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
To my last comment I add, it has been very plainly as fact that you are not a genius.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist)
In my last comment I should have said, it has been very plainly demonstrated as fact that you are not a genius.
I think you probably mean Lloyd Bentsen.
Right you are. I should have known better...the man was the commencement speaker at my graduation from medical school.
Dr. Orgel @ 7: 42 said: " diffuse edema doesn't count"..... It counted to the nurse and Doctor at Duke Memorial. Dr. Orgel also said:" The lack of any date-rape drugs in her tox screen"...... The most obvious date-rape drug, given Crystal's symptoms of instant onset and short duration was chloral hydrate. It was not tested for even though it is a common and well known by college students, date-rape drug. Tests for it in 2006 where not readily available. Crystal was in the habit of taking a muscle relaxant( cyclobenzaprine) prior to a performance. It had never given her such a reaction before even when combined with alcohol which,, incidently, she had consumed some hours before. Dr. Orgel also said : "two non-LAXers were present, but their DNA was taken for comparison" Only because they appeared in photographs. Other non-players, unidentified, could have been present and could have taken part in the assult on Crystal. Many players known to be present did not appear in any photos. Dr. Orgel also said: "CGMs identification of players who were miles away at the time".... It's acknowledged by all that the photo line-up was flawed.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Dr. Orgel also said : 'two non-LAXers were present, but their DNA was taken for comparison' Only because they appeared in photographs. Other non-players, unidentified, could have been present and could have taken part in the assult on Crystal."
That "Other non-players, unidentified, could have ben present" does not establish that other unidentified non-laxers were present.
In any event, that issue is irrelevant. To establish that as relevant, you have to establish that an assault on Crystal took place. Forensic evidence establishes as fact that such an assault did not take place.
Your continued denials of the evidence establishes nothing.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"The most obvious date-rape drug, given Crystal's symptoms of instant onset and short duration was chloral hydrate. It was not tested for even though it is a common and well known by college students, date-rape drug. Tests for it in 2006 where not readily available."
That does not establish that Crystal was given a date rape drug. There was testimony that Crystal was intoxicated when she arrived at the party and was unable to perform. That you choose to deny that evidence does not nullify it.
KEN(ninny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Dr. Orgel @ 7: 42 said: " diffuse edema doesn't count"..... It counted to the nurse and Doctor at Duke Memorial."
So what. In view of Crystal's documented sexual activity shortly before the party, in and of itself, diffuse vaginal edema does not establish as fact the occurrence of rape.
Dr. Manly said she saw a whitish fluid on Crystal's person, which she presumed was semen. She did not confirm it was semen by documenting by a wet mount that sperm were present, a test which KEN(inny), profound thinker NOT said would have been unnecessary and cya medicine.
The nurse in question was Tara Levicy who was not a trained SANE nurse and who was not qualified to do an evaluation. Tara's note was that there were findings consistent with rape. No court would have accepted that as evidence of rape. A court would have required documentation of specific individual findings.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Dr. Orgel also said: "CGMs identification of players who were miles away at the time".... It's acknowledged by all that the photo line-up was flawed."
Here is something else which you do not want to confront. Why does your Fearless Fosdick SIDN(inn)EY(figure that out if you are such a profound speaker) claims that Crystal's identification of three innocent men as her assailants was valid and was probable cause for indicting those innocent men for raping her.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
One more time, explain why you believe this is a plausible reason to believe Crystal was assaulted:
There were unknown, unidentified LAXers at the party. They assaulted Crystal. Members of the Lacrosse team were aware of who those assailants were. However, after the Lacrosse team was designated as suspects, when members of the Lacrosse team were indicted and charged with the alleged crime, put at risk of conviction and long prison terms, required to spend millions of dollars to defend themselves, they would not identify the perpetrators, that they covered up for the perpetrators.
The explanation of your implausible hypothesis is something you repeatedly duck.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Here is something significant, pointed out by Dr. Orgel, which you duck. The towel which was allegedly used to wipe down Crystal and remove evidence of a rape did not contain any of Crystal's DNA.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)AL:
"'A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool'---As you like it: Wm. Shakespeare"
It seems William Shakespeare wrote a perfect description of KEN(inny) and SIDN(inn)EY hundreds of years before they were born.
A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.
CGM was raped at the LAX party = a delusion.
It is impossible to argue with delusional individuals, since their belief in the delusion is unshakable.
First, Reverend Kenny, it's not Duke Memorial. It's Duke University Hospital and Academic Medical Center. Second, Mangum (via the testtimony of the other, uh, dancer, consumed two large cans of beer immediately prior to the , uh, performance. She also admitted to have taken at least wo other medications. She had a history, documented by both Duke and UNC (where she went, seeking drugs) of coming to hospital EDs with the specific intent of getting script pain killer and muscle relaxants. She was denied scripts, post the LAX hoax event, by BOTH hospitals during subsequent drug seeking visits. All this is documented.
Third, the SANE in training was subsequently found to be grossly inaccurate in her conclusions and statements and there was no substantiation of her concolusions by ANY physician at DUH. In fact, Mangum said FOUR times in her interview with the SANE (admitted by the SANE) that the men did NOT use condoms. When Mangum learned that no LAX DNA was in or on her, she CHANGED her story (again) and said the men DID use condoms. Conveneint change.... you have been told this many times, Reverend, and you either dodge the obvious lying behavior on the part of Mangum or you simply ignore the FACTS.
I agree with Dr. Orgel....arguing with an idiot who loves the sound of his voice and who continues to spout nonsense (the sky is falling, the earth is flat,etc) is pointless and a flaming waste of time.
I have said it before, and I say again, the BEST response to wingnuts like harr and kenny is to IGNORE THEM. That's the one thing they cannot stand......to be called out and ignored for the total waste of air and bandwidth they so plainly are.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
With your penchant for quotes, why do you not quote your "ideel" SIDN(inn)EY regarding the lineup procedure you have admitted was flawed.
On a number of occasions in this vendetta SIDN(inn)EY has argued that this lineup was probable cause for indicting the three Lacrosse players because Crystal identified two of them as assailants with 100% certainty and the other with 90% certainty.
What SIDN(inn)EY ignores is that the two she identified with 100% certainty could prove with 100% certainty that they were not present at the scene of the alleged crime at the time the crime had allegedly happened, and the one identified with 90% certainty, although it was shown by photographs that he never had had a mustache, was claimed by Crystal to have had a mustache at the time of the alleged crime.
I haven't seen anybody take notice of the fact that CGM's new attorney is none other than Woody Vann, who was her attorney for the 2002 taxicab chase. Vann was reported to have been ready to present 10 character witnesses for CGM, who struck him at the time as a responsible person, because she admitted to wrongdoing in the case. He also stated that CGM was not trying to hit the officer in question, she was just trying to turn around. After she was ordered to stop and get out of the car, in other words, she accidentally almost hit the cop while trying to flee while resisting arrest. How responsible of her.
This falls under the heading of FACT CHECK:
Reginald Daye had NO criminal record, no documented history of violence toward or abuse of women, no DWI arrests or convictions, no drunkenness complaints from landlords, no public record of evictions and no statement, by ANY neighbor, that he was a drunk, loud, violent, or any other kind of problem neighbor.
Mangum has NINE convictions, including DWI, three convictions related to violence against others, child abuse and property destruction.
By the way, BRO, convictions started for Mangum four years before 2006 when she lied about the lax guys. There was NO conspiracy, in 2002, when she was convicted for the first time. I guess Mrs. Evans has some kind of reverse power, i.e., she can go back in time and create a vendetta in retrospect
FACT CHECK: There are widely circulated and timestamp validated photos of Mangum doing her pole vaulting routine/dance, in the very same outfit she used at the LAX party, TEN days after she claims the rape. The photo was taken inside the club where she was working and is clear.
Yep, I guess Woody forgot to explain how it happened that Sister had the car keys for a car she did not own. In fact, she was doing a lap boogie for a customer and stole his keys. This was the incident that got her a drunk driving conviction, too. Nice lady, huh.
But, oh, I forgot....mangum is just hard workin' college grad, trying to care for her children and forced to do menial sex work because no one will hire her.
and, of course, she is not a prostitute....she just likes lots of guys realllllly aLOT.
Anonymous said: "The explanation of your implausible hypothesis is something you repeatedly duck"........ Two players charged could prove with 100% certainty the were not present. They knew they had nothing to fear. Evans knew his DNA from ejaculate would not be found. Those with no envolvement and who had not seen the attack knew they had nothing to fear. Those with no involvement but who were witness to the assult had only to fear DA Nifong's threat of legal action if they failed to cooperate with the investigation. The culture that "snitching" is unethical is pervasive in a setting such as this. Those charged "lawyered up" and from that point onward acted solely on the advice of their lawyers. The defence quicky realized that the poor investigation coupled with the vulnerbility of Crystal, DA Nifong and Duke University could be a civil suit "gold mine", providing, that is, no wittness to an assult would come forward.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Blogger kenhyderal said...
"Anonymous said: 'The explanation of your implausible hypothesis is something you repeatedly duck'........ Two players charged could prove with 100% certainty the were not present. They knew they had nothing to fear. Evans knew his DNA from ejaculate would not be found. Those with no envolvement and who had not seen the attack knew they had nothing to fear. Those with no involvement but who were witness to the assult had only to fear DA Nifong's threat of legal action if they failed to cooperate with the investigation. The culture that "snitching" is unethical is pervasive in a setting such as this. Those charged 'lawyered up' and from that point onward acted solely on the advice of their lawyers. The defence quicky realized that the poor investigation coupled with the vulnerbility of Crystal, DA Nifong and Duke University could be a civil suit 'gold mine', providing, that is, no wittness to an assult would come forward."
You again show you are not a profound thinker and that you do not want to confront the facts of the case.
You say that Colin Finnerty and Reade Seligman had nothing to fear from being indicted. Have you read nothing about the case? Mr. Nifong was determined to convict them whether or not they were assailants. He refused to look at Reade Seligman's alibi evidence. He tried to intimidate a witness, who supported Reade Seligman into withdrawing his support.
So far as David Evans, Mr. NI(nny)FONG knew that there was no DNA evidence which implicated him in the alleged crime. Nevertheless he had David Evans indicted.
Your raving about the no snitch culture does not explain why David Evans, who was present in the house at the time of the alleged crime, would run up millions of dollars in legal expenses if he could name the real perps(that is if there were perps in the first place. A No Snitch culture would not explain why members of the Lacrosse team, whom you say exhibited a great deal of solidarity, would let Messers Finnerty, Seligman and Evans be falsely charged with the crime if they could name the perpetrators - that is if there really were perpetrators.
It comes down to what I originally said: "The explanation of your implausible hypothesis is something you repeatedly duck".
Your hypothesis is implausible because there were no assailants. The forensic testing of the Rape Kit revealed that no DNA depositing rape took place.
Your repeated denials of the truth do not negate the truth.
Try again, if you dare.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"The culture that 'snitching' is unethical is pervasive in a setting such as this."
You have yet to offer any evidence that establishes this as fact.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"The defence quicky realized that the poor investigation coupled with the vulnerbility of Crystal, DA Nifong and Duke University could be a civil suit 'gold mine', providing, that is, no wittness to an assult would come forward."
So why have no witnesses come forward to tell what they know?
That is another part of your implausible hypothesis which you repeatedly duck answering.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Those with no involvement but who were witness to the assult had only to fear DA Nifong's threat of legal action if they failed to cooperate with the investigation."
What you term "DA Nifong's threat of legal action" was DA NI(nny)FONG's attempt to intimidate members of the Lacrosse team to provide false testimony that a rape had occurred. I call an attempt to coerce false testimony an attempt to suborn perjury, even if NI(mmy)FONG was not charged with that.
In any event, if spite of the threat of legal action, no one came forward. That is not proof of a no snitch culture. That is proof that there was nothing to testify about, except that there was no rape.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Those charged 'lawyered up' and from that point onward acted solely on the advice of their lawyers."
Consider this:
"The Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides:
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right . . . to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence. I cut and pasted this from Wikipedia after googling the term "Right to Counsel".
The right to be represented by counsel in the United States is guaranteed by the 6th Amendment of the US Constitution. As a Canadian, you, possibly, were unaware of that.
You seem to be saying that getting "lawyered up" is an indication of guilt, even if you know you were falsely charged.
Another thing you duck rather than explain is why an innocent defendant falsely charged with a crime would spend millions of dollars to get "lawyered up" if he could exonerate himself by identifying the real perpetrators.
The reason the Lacrosse defendants spent so much money to get "lawyered up" is because there were no perpetrators to identify.
The forensic evidence established beyond a reasonable doubt that no assault took place. No assault means no assailants.
The lax team, ALL of them, VOLUNTEERED to be tested....they were not forced. "Lawyered up"? In this country we do not think that getting a lawyer automatically means you have something to hide. See the 6th amendment. This is NOT Canada, thank god.
I guess mangum ought to fire Woody Vann and go unrepresented into court because the truth will set her free.....seeing as how having a lawyer means you are guilty...and she has a remarkable talent for getting herself lawyered up and, with the happy intervention of your airhead friends at J4N, running them off her case.
Anonoymous @ 10:26 said: "So far as David Evans, Mr. NI(nny)FONG knew that there was no DNA evidence which implicated him in the alleged crime. Nevertheless he had David Evans indicted"......... That's when he changed the charge from rape to sexual assult
Anonymous @ 10:35 said: "In any event, if spite of the threat of legal action, no one came forward. That is not proof of a no snitch culture. That is proof that there was nothing to testify about, except that there was no rape"....... It was a threat that never materialized becuse commencing such an action would need evidence that was not available to DA Nifong. At any rate my statement and yours are speculative and not as you claim "proof" that nothing occured.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"That's when he(NI(nny)FONG) changed the charge (against David Evans)from rape to sexual assult(sic)".
Grossly and totally wrong.
DA NI(nny)FONG knew the forensic testing of the rape kit, by the SBI crime lab and by DNA Security found no DNA implicating David Evans in the alleged crime before he had him indicted for Rape, Sexual Assault and Kidnapping.
Do some research, perhaps, and you might not come off looking like a ninny.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"It was a threat(to charge members of the Lacrosse team who would not provide incriminating information) that never materialized becuse commencing such an action would need evidence that was not available to DA Nifong."
So what if it never materiaized. DA NI(nny)FONG attempted to coerce members of the Lacrosse team into providing perjured testimony.
According to your logic, someone could threaten to kill you but if he did not do so his threat was not a crime.
Intentionally or not, you document that DA NI(nny)FONG was wrongfully prosecuting the Lacrosse players. He was threatening to charge members of the Lacrosse team with aiding and abetting a crime when he knew a crime had not happened.
I do not know to what you were referring in the use of the term "no evidence". However the fact is that forensic testing of the rape kit showed no evidence of a DNA depositing rape. Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape.
Explain why, after Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape, there was no evidence of semen, blood or saliva on the rape kit?
Denying the evidence does not negate it. Ducking the issue does not explain it away.
"What did he know and when did he know it"
Anonymous @ 10:42 said: "when he knew a crime had not happened" DA Nifong knew no such thing.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Read this carefully.
Neither DA NII(nny)FONG nor anyone in his office directly interviewed Crystal until about 9 months into the case. When he finally got around to having her interviewed, she could no longer recall being penetrated, which was an essential element of the crime of rape. It was in December of 2006, long after DA NI(nny)FONG had the three innocent lacrosse players indicted. It was at that point that DA NI(nny)FONG dropped the rape charge.
DA NI(nny)FONG knew before he had the innocent Lacrosse players indicted that there was no forensic evidence implicating them in the alleged crime.
Anonymous also said: "attempted to coerce members of the Lacrosse team into providing perjured testimony" No, into testimony period.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous @ 10:42 said: "when he knew a crime had not happened' DA Nifong knew no such thing.
DA NI(nny)FONG knew Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape. The SBI Crime lab found no evidence of semen, blood or saliva on the rape kit, all of which would have been present if the alleged crime had happened. He had the rape kit sent to DNA Security for further testing. Further testing confirmed that no semen had been deposited on Ms. Mangum's person. DNA Security testing found DNA from multiple males none of whom were members of the Lacrosse team.
DA NI(nny)FONG made a statement to the effect that the absence of forensic evidence did not rule out a rape. He said he would make his case using the word of the accuser and the medical record.
Crystal's word was not credible. The Medical record, in spite of your protestations, showed no evidence of rape.
Mr. NI(nny)FONG knew he had no evidence. Ergo, early on, he knew he had no crime to prosecute.
He prosecuted anyway because he was a corrupt prosecutor.
Nifong had reasons to prosecute. They were:
He wantednthe black vote and thought if he lynched white guys, it would secure his electiom
He was worried about securing his employment long enough to get his pension
He thought he was the media darling and could get away with bullying which he had a long history of doing
He got caught by the evidence or lack thereof and got his tail in the ringer. End of nifing.....thank goodness, the most unethical In durham's sorry history.
It royally pissed off the academic wingnuts at duke to find that their ideal nillans.....rich white boys.....were not rapists. Jesse jackson has necer come through on his promise to pay for mangum schooling, raped or not. I guess it's the five new convictions and the murder charge that kinda put him off
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous also said: 'attempted to coerce members of the Lacrosse team into providing perjured testimony' No, into testimony period."
NI(nny)FONG's pre indictment statements, made before he had any evidence of a crime, are a matter of public record. DA NI(nny)FONG declared that a crime had occurred, and that members of the Lacrosse team had perpetrated the crime. He also stated that members of the team were aware of the crime. It was in that context that NI(nny)FONG said he would prosecute team members who did not come forward for aiding and abetting. He wanted team member to come forth with incriminating testimony.
As no assault, no rape had happened, any testifying that a rape had happened would have been perjured testimony. What Mr. NI(nny)FONG did was attempt to coerce individuals to testify to a non existent crime. I say that amounts to attempted subornation of perjury.
NI(nny)FONG did not want to look at Reade Seligman's alibi evidence. I say again, he tried to intimidate Moez Elmostafa into changing the statement he made supporting Reade Seligman's alibi.
Again, NI(nny)FONG wanted Lacrosse team members to perjure themselves in order to make his bogus case.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lided)RA(cist)L:
With regard to what NI(nny)GONG wanted when he threatened team members with prosecution for aiding and abetting:
Team members had already come forth and said no assault had happened at the party.
Do you think NI(nny)FONG threatened them with prosecution because he wanted to hear again that nothing happened at the party.
Moez Elmostafa was clearly threatened, with an old worthless charge, when he had the nerve to support Seligman's alibi. I believe that's called intimidation and coercion. At Nifong's hearing he was questioned about Elmostafa and he said that it was his department's absolute policy/practice to go after any/all warrants, across the board. When confronted at that same hearing with evidence to the contrary....i.e., selective enforcement of a policy to "go after any/all warrants", Nifong backpedaled, and said he wasn't aware that some warrants were not pursued. Funny how that recall thing seemed to pop up.....
poor nifong.......
I will never forget that pathetic whining bit about how he wanted his son to be proud of him, etc. Oh, brother. He lies and, with ruthless disregard for the law, he goes after INNOCENT young men.....but then does his crybaby tear act, wallowing in self pity, about his son. made my stomach turn to think this amoral jerk had so used Mangum as his "vote for me, I like black people" banner in order to win votes.
I specifically ordered a criminal record for Reginald Daye and made SURE I was looking at the correct Daye. He had no criminal record that was available through typical online search. Harr, provide to us the specific document you say proves that Daye had a criminal record showing prior history of violence toward and abuse of women.
Harr said prior:
"To my knowledge, there was never any mention of his criminal record, which I have been told is extensive.".. referring to Mr. Daye as having a long record of violence, abuse of alcohol and run-ins with the police. Harr claims that his "sources" told him Daye had an extensive criminal record.
Harr, where is the criminal record you say Mr. Daye had? Convictions?
Anonymous said...
This falls under the heading of FACT CHECK:
Reginald Daye had NO criminal record, no documented history of violence toward or abuse of women, no DWI arrests or convictions, no drunkenness complaints from landlords, no public record of evictions and no statement, by ANY neighbor, that he was a drunk, loud, violent, or any other kind of problem neighbor.
Mangum has NINE convictions, including DWI, three convictions related to violence against others, child abuse and property destruction.
By the way, BRO, convictions started for Mangum four years before 2006 when she lied about the lax guys. There was NO conspiracy, in 2002, when she was convicted for the first time. I guess Mrs. Evans has some kind of reverse power, i.e., she can go back in time and create a vendetta in retrospect
FACT CHECK: There are widely circulated and timestamp validated photos of Mangum doing her pole vaulting routine/dance, in the very same outfit she used at the LAX party, TEN days after she claims the rape. The photo was taken inside the club where she was working and is clear.
Reginald Daye's criminal record, which includes an assault on a female, can be found at the following URL address:
http://www.justice4nifong.com/legal/cgm/tl30.htm
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist)
You did not mention that the assault on a female was dismissed by the DA. I suspect you made that omission deliberately.
Heck, if you include dismissed charges, CGM's rap sheet is still much, much worse than Date's
First, let's be clear......there are NO convictions for any of the behaviors Harr falsely attributes to Daye. None. Let's also note that Harr conveniently includes at least three Reginald Daye names on the print-out. I checked the records again and found the only charges that were Reginald Daye (who was killed by Mangum) were Reginald Eugene Daye. The assault charge was dismissed.
The poster should not have said there was no criminal record. However, the poster WAS accurate in stating there were no convictions for ANY violence, drunkenness, DWI, etc. And, as has been said by Dr. Orgel, if you want to compare Daye's record with Mangum's, Mr. Daye was a model citizen! Of note, between Daye and Mangum, let's get it right......Mangum has the history of violence, abuse, destruction of property and drunkenness....NOT Mr. Daye.
All, let's notice how Harr focused on the mistake made by the poster when the poster said Daye had no criminal record.
AND, let's notice how Harr conveniently ignored all the rest of that post......which was factually correct
Harr conveniently ignores all facts that run contrary to his preconceived ideas. Like CGM's lack of documented injuries after what he describes as a brutal, hour-long attack, the lack of any witness corroboration to what must have been a very noisy evening, and the American College of Emergency Physicians' statement that ET tubes can and do get dislodged.
Was just thinking.....
It's a saturday night when the supposed big fight occurs. and the women who moved into HIS apartment is concerned about paying the rent.....hmmm...
this is the woman who, since 2002, has had nine convictions, including violence, child abuse, drunk driving, property destruction.
but, anyway, for over an hour, he apparently beats the living crap out of her.....but leaves no marks except a very minor laceration which two of three officers didn't even see and which required no treatment. she has ample opportunity to flee the apartment because he is apparently drunk on his backside, staggering around, and yet she does not leave the scene.
when she does leave, drunk herself, she has no kid (yet again) call 911 and tells the child, word for word, what to say, while lying on the floor, smelling of booze.
now, I get it.......the evil white people set this whole thing up!
should have typed "she has her kid"....my mistake....lousy typist
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