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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 281 of 281Anonymous @5:34 PM said: " 60 Minutes and other news outlets show a video of Mangum dancing at the Platinum Pleasures Club on March 25-26th, eleven days after the alleged attack."........ Crystal needed to continue working to support her Family despite a severe cevical spinal condition that gave her excruciating pain. This condition was corrected in 2010 following an operation by a Dr. Wilson in Durham. She has had no further problems following this surgery and has subsequently not needed analgesics
Anonymous @ 8:14 said" As far Thomas Jefferson is concerned he believed blacks were inferior to whites and should be deported back to Africa.He also thought they were ugly and smelled bad.Read Notes on Virginia" And this was one of your Founders? God help America.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Crystal needed to continue working to support her Family despite a severe cevical spinal condition that gave her excruciating pain."
This seems to be something from Crystal's so called memoir, published after it was established she was a false accuser.
If one suffers from a cervical spinal condition so severe, it is unlikely one would be able to perform the way Crystal performed in that video, especially considering she was supposed to be suffering from severe PTSD and was supposed to be in pain from injuries inflicted during the alleged rape.
You are no plausible, KEN(inny).
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L;
"Crystal needed to continue working to support her Family despite a severe cevical spinal condition that gave her excruciating pain."
While I will not defend anyone who considers Black Americans so inferior, I will point out the following:
Jefferson put a passage in the Declaration of Independence condemning slavery and the slave trade. Against his will it was struck from the Declaration.
According to many authorities Jefferson opposed slavery.
While he felt that Black people were inferior to Whites in many ways, he felt that this should not be a reason for denial of rights to black citizens.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
You seem to be ducking another question. What basis do you have in fact to believe Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I point out again, the account of Crystal's cab theft comes from police records compiled before the events of 2006. According to those records, Crystal was working as an entertainer in a topless club, was giving a cab driver a lap dance when she stole his keys and then stole his cab and led the police on this chase.
If she had such a severe condition it is unlikely she could do all this.
If she indeed did have this surgery in 2010, surely SIDN(inn)EY can come up with the records and publish them on his blog.
Ooooo, old reverend bible quotin kenny must be getting his shorts in a knot.......now he reverts to his petty attacks on America. Silly little petty boy.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
From: http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/04/crystal_gail_magnums_dark_twisted_past.html
"Mangum was combining the prescription drugs methadone, Ambien and Paxil. She was clearly impaired during at least one meeting with investigators."
And:
"During the performance, Mangum, who had been drinking, 'appeared to be unsteady on her feet and fell to the ground.'"
And:
"Mangum, who later blacked out on the lawn, used a racial and sexual slur and claimed to be a cop."
SIDn(inn)EY, KEN(inny), have you heard about the Brian Banks case? He was a man knowingly, falsely accused of rape who was persuaded by his lawyer to take a plea bargain. The false accuser was paid $1.5 million by the school district.
After Brian Banks spent 6 years in prison, the false accuser admitted she had lied. According to reports, she will not be prosecuted and she will not be required to return her $1.5 million settlement.
Be enlightened as to why some of us vigorously oppose this vendetta against innocent Caucasians falsely accused of rape.
Brian Banks is a Black Man. This comment was posted on Liestoppers:
"This is the kind of thing the AA community SHOULD get enraged about,
not losers/liars like Mangum!
His lawyer sold him out!"
So why is the Black community not enraged by a Black woman falsely accusing a Black man or rape just to get rich.
There is some credibility to the allegation that Crystal falsely accused the Lacrosse players of rape in order to collect a big settlement from them and their families.
If the allegations Crystal made have merit, why has she not filed a civil lawsuit?
Anonymous @ 5:02 said : "Mangum was combining the prescription drugs methadone, Ambien and Paxil"......... She was under the care of a Doctor who specializes in pain management. Our resident Physicians Dr. Harr and Dr. Orgel can confirm that these are not unusual medications to treat a neuro-skeletal cervical spine disorder that is complicated by depression and PTSD. When she was on these medications she was advised to refrain from alcohol which she did. It's little wonder that Crystal had depression when, thanks to the Duke LaX Defense Team, she was widely believed to be a heroin addict working the streets for her next fix and having few resources to combat these anonymous slanders. When confronted with the fact that she had obtained a Bacelors's Degree and was working towards a Master's all they could do is try to disparage the standards of her alma mater. Her professors and her pastor can atest to her character. She is respected and participating member of her faith community
Anonymous @ 5:02 also said: " During the performance, Mangum, who had been drinking, 'appeared to be unsteady on her feet and fell to the ground"....... This was shortly after she was given a drink. Probably spiked with a date rape drug like the quick acting chloral hydrate. The fact that it wore off completely after an hour or so also suggests this drug. One that's well know by University Students
Anonymous @ 10:35 said: "If the allegations Crystal made have merit, why has she not filed a civil lawsuit"..... If, like in the Brian Banks, case new evidence comes forward she might well do so. There are reports of a LaX Player, who was present but totally uninvolved, who is struggling with his conscience over this issue. So far he has failed to come forward. I hope he will "do the right thing" for the sake of justice.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"This was shortly after she was given a drink. Probably spiked with a date rape drug like the quick acting chloral hydrate. The fact that it wore off completely after an hour or so also suggests this drug. One that's well know by University Students."
No it wasn't. Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party. There is no evidence that she was given a drug at the party. Chloral Hydrate is nothing but pure speculation.
What basis do you have in fact that the members of the Lacrosse team had Chloral Hydrate at the party, that anyone had Chloral Hydrate at the party?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"It's little wonder that Crystal had depression when, thanks to the Duke LaX Defense Team, she was widely believed to be a heroin addict working the streets for her next fix and having few resources to combat these anonymous slanders."
KEN(inny), explain this. You have stated the accused Lacrosse players knew there was no evidence against them. Why would their attorneys launch this extensive campaign to discredit Crystal if they knew the evidence would discredit her?
Some things that discredited her were the identification procedures. She could not describe her assailants. She could not reliably identify her assailants at two photo lineup procedures. At the third procedure, as has been pointed out before, she identified two men who had not been at the party as her assailants, she said her third assailant had a mustache but identified a man as her third assailant who had never had a mustache.
If you want to know what discredited Crystal, look at what corrupt prosecutor NI(nny)FONG did in the case. It was not the defense team who were representing innocent men. That scenario is but a figment of your deluded, racist mind.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"There are reports of a LaX Player, who was present but totally uninvolved, who is struggling with his conscience over this issue. So far he has failed to come forward. I hope he will 'do the right thing' for the sake of justice."
Kilgo was the person who alleged there was a LAX player who was present but not involved in a rape he witnessed. I repeat, Kilgo is someone who used to post on J4N that he knew more about the Lacrosse case than any other person on the planet. When asked to back up his claims, I repeat, Kilgo always backed down. Now he has run away from j4N, probably because he does not want to admit he is a fraud.
Using Kilgo as the source for this implausible story you tell does not give a plausible, let alone a factual, basis for for belief in the existence of this unidentified LaX player
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous @ 5:02 said : 'Mangum was combining the prescription drugs methadone, Ambien and Paxil'......... She was under the care of a Doctor who specializes in pain management."
The full quote was to the effect that Crystal was impaired when she talked to the AG's investigators. Like SIDN(inn)EY's failure to mention that when Reginald Daye was charged with assaulting a woman, the charge was dismissed by the DR, that omission was probably intentional.
A person who is under care of a pain management physician does not indulge in making the rounds of the ERs looking for pain meds. He or She calls his/her physician if he or she has persistent pain. After the night of 13/14 March 3006, when Crystal had not been raped, Crystal did go around to local ERs requesting pain meds.
KEN(inny):
Answer the question. What basis is there in fact to believe Crystal had been raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
""If the allegations Crystal made have merit, why has she not filed a civil lawsuit"..... If, like in the Brian Banks, case new evidence comes forward she might well do so".
Is this an admission that Crystal does not have a case? It seems so.
If there is new evidence to present, if Crystal has such support, why has no one come forward in more than 6 years to give such evidence?
The obvious explanation, which you are trying to duck, Crystal does not have a case and never will have a case.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)EA(cist)L:
"Her professors and her pastor can atest to her character. [Crystal] is respected and participating member of her faith community"
If so, why aren't any of those people coming forward to offer support, to raise bail for her?
There was no one at the SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist) non news conference supporting Crystal except for the people giving the non-news conference.
Ken: When she was on these medications she was advised to refrain from alcohol which she did.
She claimed that she had 2 22 ounce Ice House Beers (higher alcohol content), apparently in addition to the medications. The equivalent of 4+ beers is not refraining from alcohol.
Since Ken does not make mistakes, I can only conclude that he believes Crystal is a liar.
In case no one has yet noticed, the NC State Bar has filed a complaint against Tracey Cline.
Oh brother, why for crap sake are we all wasting time debating with these two idiots. The lax case is done. Mangum Lied. Nifong lied. There was no rape. There was nothing except a drunk prostitute looking to make a buck. Forget it,
Wha does matter now is that this same using woman has killed a man and the jury will decide her fate. Nothing else is important.
Ignore these assXXXXXX and be done with this bleepin waste of time. Mangum is trash.. Somebody please empty the trash and let the rest of us, who work, pay taxes, abide by the law, protect our children and tell the truth......get on with our lives. I, for one, am bloody sick of this piece of trash and absolute crap she has influcted on so any people.
If harr and his soulmates want to support the sperm bank, that's their choice. I don't give a rip.
"Are not the fine mixture of red and white preferable to the immovable veil of black that covers the other race.Add to this a more elegant symmetry of form and their own preference in favor of the whites.Superior beauty is thought worthy of attention in domestic animals, why not in that of man?...They secrete less by the kidneys and more by the glands which gives them a strong and disagreeable odor.In memory they are equal to whites,in reason much inferior and in imagination they are dull,tasteless,and anomalous." - Thomas Jefferson,Notes on Virginia
Anononymous @ 3:37 said: "Mangum is trash.. Somebody please empty the trash and let the rest of us, who work, pay taxes, abide by the law, protect our children and tell the truth......get on with our lives. I, for one, am bloody sick of this piece of trash and absolute crap she has influcted on so any people" ........ Here is why those who know and respect Crystal have to stand up and fight against this kind of hatred by people who don't know Crystal and have only bought into the all the lieswhich the greedy Duke LaX Defense team has disseminated which they hope will bolster their civil suits and allow them to extract even more money from the people of North Carolina
KEN(inny)HUY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Here is why those who know and respect Crystal have to stand up and fight against this kind of hatred by people who don't know Crystal and have only bought into the all the lieswhich the greedy Duke LaX Defense team has disseminated which they hope will bolster their civil suits and allow them to extract even more money from the people of North Carolina">
Where were all of you who support Crystal when SIDN(inn)EY held his non news conference?
KEN(inny) no one believes that racist crap you try to peddle as the truth about Crystal. The truth is that she falsely accused three innocent men of raping her.
She does have a history of mental instability, promiscuity, drug abuse, and, most telling of all, filing false rape charges. That information did not become public because the innocent players' attorneys defended them.
Why hasn't Crystal filed suit for defamation? It is because she hasn't got a case.
KEN(inny), specify what establishes as fact that someone raped Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006?
The poster is correct. Mangum deserves a fair trial and then she deserves exactly what she gets. Enough of this immoral woman! She has killed a man and all these iidiots do is whine about her......just to bring attention to themseves. Why dont harr and this canadian crybaby do something decent for the Daye family? Those of us who who see this sorry woman's face in the local news have had enough of her. If she gets off this time, she will continue to break the law. I dont care what race she is......who gives a rip whether she is black or white? The point is that she killed a man. Harr and his ridiculous whackos need to post her bail and find her a lawyer or they need to stop their self serving crap. All of us know the intent......it is Nifong in blackface. Silly waste of time.
Ken. Whoever you are, get on a plane And come get this woman and get her the hell out of north carolina. Take her to canada and let her pole dance till it freezes over. I personally could care less. We have far too many decent people here who are trying to raise their kids and make a life.....and these people need help ......not this piece of trash.
If hooker,liar,killer Crystal Mangum wanted to have sex with a white man she would have to pay him instead but it still wouldn't happen.Time to give her the needle.
An0nymous @ May 27, 2012 6:38 PM:
I would say, rather, it's time to get Crystal the rehabilitation she needs.
No, I am not KEN(inny) or SIDN(inn)EY. Those people would like to see Crystal continue her self destructive ways so they can have an excuse to continue their vendetta against the LAXers.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
Let's discuss the First Amendment again.
With reference to the New Black Panthers, who came to Durham during the Duke Rape hoax, called Colin Finnerth a dead man walking, and demanded that all three innocent defendants be found guilty, you said their activity was free speech protected by the Constitution.
If the Ku Klux Klan or the Aryan Nation came to Durham and demonstrated calling Crystal a Murderess and demanding she be found guilty, would you call that Constitutionally protected free speech?
I think not.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I ask again. What basis is there in fact to believe Crystal was the victim of a rape on the night of 13/14 March 2006?
Adlai Stevenson(figure that one out, if you are such a profound thinker)
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I will put the question to you. I refer to what I asked SIDN(inn)EY about the New Black Panthers vs. the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation.
What is your opinion of the NBP demonstration in Durham in which they called Colin Finnerty a dead man walking and demanded guilty verdicts be brought in against the Lacrosse defendants?
What would be your opinion if these white supremacist groups did the same thing to Crystal Mangum today?
KEN(inny)HY)pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
This is something DA NI(nny)FONG said after he learned there was no DNA evidence linking the Lacrosse team members to the alleged rape:
""I would not be surprised if condoms were used. Probably an exotic dancer would not be your first choice for unprotected sex."
This is similar to the statement, which you labelled as racist, that none of the Lacrosse players would have wanted to have sex with Crystal, forced or otherwise
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
Consider this:
"After one of the Duke University lacrosse team member accused of raping a stripper at a team party was verbally accosted by a heckler in the courtroom, his attorney was told by the judge that there would be no speedy trial for their client.
Judge Ronald L. Stephens told Reade Seligmann's attorneys that the case was not the only one on the docket for his courtroom and the case 'is not going to jump ahead of the line and be handled any differently.'"
This comes from http://crime.about.com/b/2006/05/19/duke-player-heckled-in-tense-courtroom.htm
For all your concern about a speedy trial for Crystal, you show no indignation over the denial of a speedy trial to the innocent Duke Lacrosse defendants.
I believe this discrepancy is racially motivated.
Anonymous @ 4:55 said: "Adlai Stevenson(figure that one out, if you are such a profound thinker" ...... That sword cuts both ways. It's acceptable to specultate about what is the truth but it's not acceptable to lie and most that is most grievously so when that lie meant to slander.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cit)L:
"Anonymous @ 4:55 said: 'Adlai Stevenson(figure that one out, if you are such a profound thinker' ...... That sword cuts both ways. It's acceptable to specultate about what is the truth but it's not acceptable to lie and most that is most grievously so when that lie meant to slander."
The question you were asked, the question you are dodging was, what basis do you have in fact to believe that Crystal was raped?
That you refuse to answer suggests you can not answer, which suggests you have no basis in fact.
If you have no basis in fact to accuse men of raping Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006, then to do so is slander.
Actually, I really did not expect you would be able to do much better than this. Thanks for living down to all expectations.
Anonymous said: "I will put the question to you. I refer to what I asked SIDN(inn)EY about the New Black Panthers vs. the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation.
What is your opinion of the NBP demonstration in Durham in which they called Colin Finnerty a dead man walking and demanded guilty verdicts be brought in against the Lacrosse defendants?"...... I have no truck with any hate group and I believe hate speech, like is often found here should be illegal.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous @ 4:55 said: 'Adlai Stevenson(figure that one out, if you are such a profound thinker' ...... That sword cuts both ways. It's acceptable to specultate about what is the truth but it's not acceptable to lie and most that is most grievously so when that lie meant to slander."
This is a manifestation of why I call you a hypocrite.
You do not speculate at all on whether or not the allegations Crystal Mangum made were true. You simply demand they be accepted as true, even though, as you have de facto admitted, there is no basis in fact to believe they were true.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
" Anonymous said: "I will put the question to you. I refer to what I asked SIDN(inn)EY about the New Black Panthers vs. the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation.
"'What is your opinion of the NBP demonstration in Durham in which they called Colin Finnerty a dead man walking and demanded guilty verdicts be brought in against the Lacrosse defendants?'...... I have no truck with any hate group and I believe hate speech, like is often found here should be illegal."
Yet you have truck with SIDN(inn)EY who claimed this demonstration which you admit was carried out by a hate group, was Constitutionally protected free speech.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Have you no comment about DA NI(nny)FONG's statement to the effect that he would not have wanted to engage in unprotected sex with exotic dancer Crystal Mangum.
Why would he say that if he did not believe Crystal was promiscuous. Promiscuous sex is the most common mode of transmission of STDs.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
" Anonymous said: "I will put the question to you. I refer to what I asked SIDN(inn)EY about the New Black Panthers vs. the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Nation.
"'What is your opinion of the NBP demonstration in Durham in which they called Colin Finnerty a dead man walking and demanded guilty verdicts be brought in against the Lacrosse defendants?'...... I have no truck with any hate group and I believe hate speech, like is often found here should be illegal."
Why do you think that accusing Caucasians of a racially motivated rape when you have no basis in fact to do so is not hate speech?
Anonymous @ 9:58 said; The question you were asked, the question you are dodging was, what basis do you have in fact to believe that Crystal was raped?"............ Fact 1: Crystal arrived sober as testified by her driver, an observing neighbor and by Kim Roberts. Fact 2: She was given a drink upon her arrival, as testified to by David Evans and Kim Roberts. Fact 3: Shortly thereafter she appeared to be grossly impaired. Fact 4: Crystal appeared to be intoxicated at Kroeger's and at the Intake Centre but without any smell of alcohol on her breath, as testified to by the store clerk, the police and the intake worker. Fact 5: She arrived at Duke University Hosp. in an unimpaired condition, as testified by those attending to her. Fact 6 : A Dr. and a nurse found evidence, that in their opinion, was cosistent with a rape. Fact 7: DNA, extracted from sperm, of three unidentified males that could not be accounted for by Crystal's sexual history was found. Fact 8: There was no effort by the Durham Police to ascertain the identity of all people who were present at the party. Fact 9: There was no effort by the DA or by the Police to identify the source of the DNA once the members of the LaX Team had been eliminated; even though Allure kept records of all who Crystal worked for.
Anonymous @ 10:13 said: "Yet you have truck with SIDN(inn)EY who claimed this demonstration which you admit was carried out by a hate group, was Constitutionally protected free speech"...... He's right in the U.S.A, it is. In Canada it would be illegal. I believe it should be that way everywhere
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous @ 9:58 said; The question you were asked, the question you are dodging was, what basis do you have in fact to believe that Crystal was raped?"............ Fact 1: Crystal arrived sober as testified by her driver, an observing neighbor and by Kim Roberts. Fact 2: She was given a drink upon her arrival, as testified to by David Evans and Kim Roberts. Fact 3: Shortly thereafter she appeared to be grossly impaired. Fact 4: Crystal appeared to be intoxicated at Kroeger's and at the Intake Centre but without any smell of alcohol on her breath, as testified to by the store clerk, the police and the intake worker. Fact 5: She arrived at Duke University Hosp. in an unimpaired condition, as testified by those attending to her. Fact 6 : A Dr. and a nurse found evidence, that in their opinion, was cosistent with a rape. Fact 7: DNA, extracted from sperm, of three unidentified males that could not be accounted for by Crystal's sexual history was found. Fact 8: There was no effort by the Durham Police to ascertain the identity of all people who were present at the party. Fact 9: There was no effort by the DA or by the Police to identify the source of the DNA once the members of the LaX Team had been eliminated; even though Allure kept records of all who Crystal worked for."
The facts you dodge explaining are 1) Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape. 2) Forensic examination revealed DNA deposition did not take place on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Although male DNA was found on Crystal, the only logical explanation is it was put there prior to the night 0f 13/14 March 2006. You may deny the evidence, but you have never refuted it.
So far as your other facts, the only physical finding was diffuse vaginal edema which in and of itself is not pathognomonic of rape.
What was recorded was findings consistent with rape. Specific findings of rape should have been recorded and none were. The recording was made by Tara Levicy(maybe now Tara Brown) who was not a fully trained experienced SANE and not credentialed to perform a SANE exam.
One person said Crystal was sober when she arrived. Two, who did not have anything to be self serving about, said she was impaired.
Detective Shelby's evaluation at the Kroger store was that Crystal was faking being impaired(when he administered smelling salts, which would have roused someone truly unconscious, Crystal started breathing through her mouth). You have not established as fact that Crystal was impaired at Kroger.
Neither have you established that Crystal was given a laced drink at the party. She was given a drink which was sipped then discarded.
So, KEN(inny), you still have not established that there is a factual basis for believing she had been raped.
The biggest thing you duck, again, is, CRYSTAL ALLEGED A DNA DEOSITING RAPE. FORENSIC EXAM OF THE RAPE KIT FOUND THAT DNA DEPOSITION HAD NOT OCCURRED.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"'Yet you have truck with SIDN(inn)EY who claimed this demonstration which you admit was carried out by a hate group, was Constitutionally protected free speech'...... He's right in the U.S.A, it is. In Canada it would be illegal. I believe it should be that way everywhere."
First, not everything anyone says is Constitutionally protected free speech. In the case of the NBP demonstration in Durham, the NBP was trying to undermine the defendants' right to be presumed innocent, right to a fair trial. The point is, SIDN(inn)EY mis interpreted the First Amendment, as you do now.
You do have truck with SIDN(inn)EY who is a monger for racist hate speech.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Fact 7: DNA, extracted from sperm, of three unidentified males that could not be accounted for by Crystal's sexual history was found."
So what? It was established by the forensic exam of the rape kit materials that it had not been deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
One must suspect Crystal did not give a full account of her sexual history.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Fact 8: There was no effort by the Durham Police to ascertain the identity of all people who were present at the party."
Wrong. You have not established as fact that there were any unidentified people at the party. That is speculation on your part.
Didn't you ever learn in whatever school you might have attended that speculation does not establish anything as fact.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Fact 9: There was no effort by the DA or by the Police to identify the source of the DNA once the members of the LaX Team had been eliminated; even though Allure kept records of all who Crystal worked for."
Irrelevant. Again, Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Forensic exam of the rape kit materials confirmed that DNA deposition on Crystal did not occur on the night of 13/14 March 2006. There was no reason to identify who left DNA on Crystal before the night of 13/14 March 2006.
KEN(inny)HUY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Again with regard to what you call Fact 7, the only part of Crystal's sexual history which was relevant was what happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006. I say again. Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape. Forensic exam of the rape kit established that DNA deposition did not occur.
You have yet to explain how a DNA depositing rape could have happened yet fail to leave evidence of DNA deposition on the rape kit.
Your speculation as to why does not establish anything as fact.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Fact 1: Crystal arrived sober as testified by her driver, an observing neighbor and by Kim Roberts."
Which neighbor. Can you quote his statement?
Kim Roberts was not in position to see Crystal when she arrived. Two members of the Lacrosse team, who gave statements to the police, who had nothing to be self serving about, said Crystal was impaired when she arrived.
I would say you are trying to make this up as you go along. That does not establish anything as fact.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Jason Bissey police statement:
At approximately 11:50 p.m., I saw from my porch that a car had been stopped directly in front of 610, and noted that two young women, both appearing to be African-American, were walking from the direction of the car and proceeded to the back-yard entrance of 610. One of the two was dressed in an extremely short tan skirt and was wearing high heels. Her hair was pinned up above her ears. The other woman was more conservatively dressed in pants and a sweater or blouse of some sort, and her hair was shoulder-length and curly. The two women briefly spoke with one of the men who was in the back yard. I remember hearing that he lived "at the other house," which in retrospect I assume to be the house on Urban Ave. that also was rented to Duke lacrosse team members. This man then left in the direction of Watts St., apparently to the residence to which he had just referred. Another young man spoke briefly with the two women just outside the back door of 610, and then proceeded indoors. At this point no one was outside of 610 besides the two young women."
The only neighbor who was interviewed by the police does not say whether or not Crystal was sober. This is not testimony that Crystal was sober.
I ask again, KEN(inny), are you making this stuff up as you are going along. If so, it does not add up to a basis in fact to believe Crystal was raped.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Fact 5: She arrived at Duke University Hosp. in an unimpaired condition, as testified by those attending to her."
That may be a fact. But it does not establish that Crystal was given Chloral Hydrate at the party.
Evidence given by Dave Evans and Dan Foley, neither of whom had anything to be self serving about, was that Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
With regard to you the so called "fact" to which referred in my last post, the fact that she was sober at Duke does not establish she was impaired at the Kroger Store. I repeat, Detective Shelby believed she was faking impairment, based on her reaction to smelling salts.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE)luded)RA(cist)L:
"Fact 6 : A Dr. and a nurse found evidence, that in their opinion, was cosistent with a rape."
The question a defense attorney would ask is, what specific evidence.
Tara or whoever might then give a list of findings that would be consistent with rape.
The attorney would then ask, where are these specific injuries documented in the record.
Tara or whoever could only reply, they are not documented in the record.
Then the attorney would ask, did you really find those findings and not document them in the record.
Tara or whoever could reply yes and the attorney would ask, Should a SANE nurse document specific findings in the record, to which Tara or whoever could only answer, yes. Tara or whoever would then admit that proper procedure to document findings was not followed, which tears away all credibility.
If Tara or whoever were to answer, No they did document the findings in the record, then they would have to explain why Tara or whoever said earlier that she did not document the findings.
That the record says findings consistent with rape or whatever does not establish in fact that a rape did not occur. Recordings of specific injuries would establish such in fact.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Fact 3: Shortly thereafter she appeared to be grossly impaired."
Not a fact. Crystal appeared to be grossly impaired at the time she arrived at the party and before she was given a drink. The people who observed her impairment had no reason for being self serving.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Fact 2: She was given a drink upon her arrival, as testified to by David Evans and Kim Roberts."
Incomplete story. Crystal sipped the drink and then discarded it. She drank Kim Roberts drink.
Is this omission deliberate? I think so.
KEN(inny) gives 9 so called facts which he claims establish a basis in fact to believe Crystal was raped.
KEN(inny), in fact, had three at bats in the same inning and struck out three times.
Now KEN(inny) will ask what Baseball has to do with the Duke Rape Hoax.
Anonymous @ 12:32 said: "So what? It was established by the forensic exam of the rape kit materials that it had not been deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006"....... It is a fact that DNA depositon can not be timed. The unknown DNA found could have been deposited at anytime within a 48 hour time period.
Anonymous @1:13 said: "Incomplete story. Crystal sipped the drink and then discarded it. She drank Kim Roberts drink" Kim probably dodged the bullet there. Why did they offer a drink to someone they they thought to be grossly impaired? By the way another name fo Chloral Hydrate is "knockout drops" A few drops will do the trick and render a person semi-unconcious
Ken, you have raised the lack of investigation by the DPD as "evidence" that Crystal was raped.
You have not adequately answered the questions I raised on the last thread.
I repeat them for your convenience here (with a few questions added). I ask you for individual answers to each question.
Ken, why did the DPD not conduct a bona fide investigation of one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history?
Ken, why did the DPD not interview Jason Bissey when they picked up his statement?
Ken, why did the DPD not interview other neighbors?
Ken, why did the DPD not interview Dr. Manly, the doctor who performed the partially completed SANE exam?
Ken, why did the DPD not interview other medical professionals at DUMC other than Levicy?
Ken, why did the DPD not interview the outcry witness at Durham Access until June?
Ken, why did the DPD not interview the Kroger guard until December?
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Kim to make identifications of Crystal's alleged attackers, particularly after Crystal had failed to make identifications?
Ken why did the DPD not ask Kim to make identifications after Crystal alleged in her written statement that six players had separated them just before the sexual attack?
Ken, why did the DPD not pursue the other three players?
Ken, why was the investigation essentially limited to taking one of Mangum's numerous versions of her complaint and merely selecting defendants?
Ken, why did Gottlieb's and Himan's supervisors not supervise their activities in one of the highest profile cases in Durham's history, particularly after many of the flaws in the investigation were highlighted in media coverage?
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false?
Ken, why did Nifong not insist that the DPD conduct a bona fide investigation?
Ken, why did Nifong not interview Mangum about her allegations?
Ken, does the word "frame" accurately describe a prosecution in which the police failed to conduct a bona fide investigation and there was nothing other than fatally flawed identifications to link the accused to the alleged crime?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"It is a fact that DNA depositon can not be timed. The unknown DNA found could have been deposited at anytime within a 48 hour time period."
That is correct. Therefore you can not claim that the finding of DNA on Crysta's person establishes that it was deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006, or that it was deposited forcibly.
The fact is, Crysta alleged a DNA depositing rape. That meant she was alleging that males forcibly deposited semen on her person. Forensic exam of the rape kit materials found no semen. That is NO SEMEN. Both the SBI Crime lab and DNA Security found that NO SEMEN had been deposited. Ergo, no semen depositing episode had happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Ergo, no DNA depositing rape had occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
Your statement that the finding of male DNA on a woman's person means a 48 hour window in which the DNA could have deposited. So, how do you establish, in the face of a rape kit which showed no semen had been deposited on her person on the night of 13/14 March 2006, that the male DNA was deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006. How do you exclude the nights of 11/12 March or 12/13 March 2006?
In the face of the rape kit evidence, you can not establish it happened at the Lacrosse party.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"By the way another name fo Chloral Hydrate is "knockout drops" A few drops will do the trick and render a person semi-unconcious".
So what. That is speculation. It does not establish as fact that Crystal was drugged at the party, especially since two people at the party, who had nothing to be self serving about, observed Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party.
When the police searched the house, did they find Chloral Hydrate? It has been documented that the inhabitants of the house made no attempt to clean up the house after the party.
I must make a correction. I said that Detective Shelby interracted with Crystal at the Kroger store. It was Detective Shelton who interracted with her and came to the conclusion that she was faking unconsciousness.
Correction to my post of 2:37 PM
I meant to say that the forensic exam established that semen was not deposited on Crystal's person on the night of 13/14 March. Therefore it did establish that the male DNA found on Crystal's person was not deposited on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
Anonymous @ 2:17 said: "Ken, why did the DPD not ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false" Other then this query, which I find contains a false premise, I find all of your questions valid and the answer to them inexplicable. I agree, they are all things that should have been done. Your conclusion that this indicated a frame of the Players is not the one I would draw. I would lean more towards Dr. Harr's suggestion of selective justice, in North Carolina, that's based on class and color. Especially once the Defence team had began to discredit Crystal who as a poor black woman working as a escort and dancer was vulnerable to such attacks
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"I would lean more towards Dr. Harr's suggestion of selective justice, in North Carolina, that's based on class and color. Especially once the Defence team had began to discredit Crystal who as a poor black woman working as a escort and dancer was vulnerable to such attacks".
Dr. Harr's suggestion of selective justice is true in that Mr. NI(nny)FONG prosecuted the innocent Lacrosse players because he thought going after Caucasian men from well to do families would win him votes from the Black community. It wasracially biased FOR Crystal.
What made Crystal vulnerable to discreditation was the fact that she falsely accused Lacrosse players of raping her. What did she think would happen if she falsely accused men of raping her?
What actually did discredit Crystal was the DA's case fell apart and it became obvious he was wrongfully accused men. One thing that brought it down was the forensic testing of the rape kit which documented no rape had occurred. Another thing was his attempt to conceal evidence favorable to the defense. Yet another was the improper lineup which brought out that Crystal was incapable of identifying assailants. Yet another was that when she was finally interviewed by the DA's office, 9 months into the case, she could not recall what exactly happened(confabulation?).
Her history of criminal behavior, mental instability, drug and alcohol abuse, showing up for work impaired all was established before she precipitated the phony rape case.
Anonymous @ 2: 37 said: "The fact is, Crysta alleged a DNA depositing rape. That meant she was alleging that males forcibly deposited semen on her person. Forensic exam of the rape kit materials found no semen. That is NO SEMEN. Both the SBI Crime lab and DNA Security found that NO SEMEN had been deposited. Ergo, no semen depositing episode had happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Ergo, no DNA depositing rape had occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
........... Here's a quoute from a Tutorial for a Master's degree from The University of Liverpool "When the history anticipates the recovery of semen from a rape victim but the forensic evaluation fails to find any semen evidence, there are a number of potential explanations besides the obvious suggestion of a false complaint. No semen will be recovered if none was deposited (sexual dysfunction, condom use). Mechanical elimination (drainage, hygiene activities), biological elimination (degradation) or physiologic dilution or any combination may yield negative results" Dr. Manly did report she saw what she thought was semen and that, along with what Crystal reported and the physical findings, she didn't bother to confirm that what she saw was semen. By the time it was tested for it had undergone biological degredation.
Ken: Your conclusion that this indicated a frame of the Players is not the one I would draw.
Ken, if this was not a frame, then why were Evans, Finnerty and Seligmann indicted with what Nifong later conceded was "no credible evidence" to support the charges?
Ken, if this was not a frame, why would the DPD not investigate if they had "no credible evidence" to support the charges?
Ken, do you really believe that Gottlieb, Himan, Clayton, Ripberger, Lamb, Hodges, Chambers and other officers are all grossly incompetent?
Ken: Other then this query, which I find contains a false premise [the failure of the DPD to ask Mangum any questions about the allegations in her written statement that were transparently false]...
Ken, in her written statement, Mangum made the following allegation:
"ADAM EJACULATED IN MY MOUTH, AND I SPIT IT OUT ONTO THE FLOOR, PART OF IT FELL ONTO THE FLOOR AFTER HE PULLED HIS PENIS OUT."
With no DNA. And no semen.
Ken, why did the DPD not ask Crystal any questions about that allegation?
KEN(inny)HY)pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Here's a quoute from a Tutorial for a Master's degree from The University of Liverpool 'When the history anticipates the recovery of semen from a rape victim but the forensic evaluation fails to find any semen evidence, there are a number of potential explanations besides the obvious suggestion of a false complaint. No semen will be recovered if none was deposited (sexual dysfunction, condom use). Mechanical elimination (drainage, hygiene activities), biological elimination (degradation) or physiologic dilution or any combination may yield negative results'"
Unfortunately, judging from the way Crystal described the rape, which was memorialized in the police affidavit.
Sexual Dysfunction leading to no deposit of semen. Crystal alleged that she was ejaculated upon.
Condom use: Crystal said her assailants did not use condoms.
Mechanical elimination: It was alleged that Crystal was wiped down, and a towel was recovered which had David Evans' DNA. However, it did not have any of Crystal's DNA. There was no evidence Crystal was wiped down.
Biological degradation, dilution: there was not enough time for this to happen. The rape kit was taken hours after the alleged rape was alleged to have happened.
Your quote from this Master's tutorial is irrelevant and does not make a case for you that a rape happened.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Dr. Manly did report she saw what she thought was semen and that, along with what Crystal reported and the physical findings, she didn't bother to confirm that what she saw was semen. By the time it was tested for it had undergone biological degredation."
In an earlier post, many weeks ago, I pointed out that it was a failure on the part of Dr. Manly not to do a wet mount. Your response was, it would have been "cya medicine" and not necessary to do a wet mount. In any event, the wet mount was not done, so it was not documented that Dr. Manly saw semen.
In any event, sperm degrade but semen has markers which do not. The tests which were done were Acid Phosphatase and PSA.
Acid phosphatase is meaningful only if it is positive. It is presumptive but not definitive evidence that semen is present and that further testing should be done to confirm the presence of semen. Crystal's rape kit tested negative for acid phosphatase.
DNA Security tested for PSA and found the assay was also negative. That combination of results is definitive evidence that semen is not present.
The forensic testing of the rape kit definitively established that a semen depositing rape did not happen on the night of 13/14 March 2006, even if KEN(inny) denies it.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Clarification to my post of May 28, 2012 4:25 PM
The tutorial you cited is irrelevant. Judging from the rape Crystal alleged, which was memorialized in a police affidavit, none of those events, which the tutorial says would explain a failure to find semen on a rape kit apply to the rape Crystal alleged.
Try again, KEN(inn)Y. You will only demonstrate, again, that you are not an astute or profound thinker.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"I would lean more towards Dr. Harr's suggestion of selective justice, in North Carolina, that's based on class and color. Especially once the Defence team had began to discredit Crystal who as a poor black woman working as a escort and dancer was vulnerable to such attacks".
KEN(inny), you like to lean in the wrong direction.
SIDN(inn)EY's suggestion is an expression of his outrage that innocent Caucasians were not wrongfully convicted of rape on the word of a black woman who was falsely accusing them.
In a few minutes I will be posting the most accurate, comprehensive, and defining document about the April 3, 2011 self-defense stabbing incident... in the form of a 27 minute interactive flog. It will include links to all of the important related directories of evidence and discovery documents.
Also, Attorney Woody Vann will be getting a forensic pathologist to go over the autopsy reports!
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR:
"In a few minutes I will be posting the most accurate, comprehensive, and defining document about the April 3, 2011 self-defense stabbing incident... in the form of a 27 minute interactive flog."
From what I have read of this document so far, it is neither accurate nor comprehensive nor definitive, except in your deluded megalomaniacal imagination.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR:
"In a few minutes I will be posting the most accurate, comprehensive, and defining document about the April 3, 2011 self-defense stabbing incident... in the form of a 27 minute interactive flog."
Now that I have thoroughly reviewed your blog, I say even more emphatically, it is neither accurate nor comprehensive nor definitive, except in your deluded megalomaniacal imagination.
You have lived down to all our expectations.
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