Wednesday, September 26, 2012

Prosecution’s not-so-secret weapon v. Mangum’s only weapon

Word count: 2,177

As I have stated before, the trial and inquisition given to Joan of Arc by the English was far fairer and much more humane than the state’s treatment afforded to Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse case victim/accuser. Ms. Mangum has clearly been subjected to a malign vendetta-driven prosecution by a wide ranging cabal of conspirators with a goal of exacting misguided payback for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case… and you can bet that their pursuit of this persecution is based in part on the fact that she is an African American woman. Those colluding to subvert justice and punish Mangum consist of the medical examiner Dr. Clay Nichols, the mainstream media (which to date has done a magnificent job of concealing the truth from the masses), and the Enablers… individuals and organization who are in positions to help put a halt to the injustices against Mangum, such as the NAACP, but elect to remain silent and do nothing due to lack of will, lack of courage, or both. One of the prosecution’s most valued and no-so-secret weapon is H. Wood Vann, the defense attorney for Crystal Mangum. The fact that he was the Court’s initial choice in appointing a defense attorney, speaks volumes as the entire Tar Heelian justice system has been and is now relying on him to do the bidding of the prosecutors.

Although the State’s initial goal may have been to win a conviction for first degree murder in order to hand Mangum a life sentence, the intervention by the grass roots organization Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong has taken that draconian option out of play and placed the prosecution on defense. The State, representing the city of Durham, is now fighting to extract a plea deal (preferably to a felony) for time served in order to extricate the City of Bull from any civil liability for its malicious prosecution of Mangum. And it is Mangum’s own attorney, Woody Vann, who has been given the mandate to deliver her on a silver platter to Durham prosecutor Charlene Coggins-Franks. You can bet that Mr. Vann will continue to dutifully carry out his assignment as he already indicated that he does not intend to step aside amidst criticism and accusations of some Mangum supporters… accusations against which he has no answer and which include the following:
(1) his failure to file a motion to dismiss the murder charge due to lack of probable cause and a charge based upon a blatantly bogus autopsy report;
(2) his failure to file a motion to dismiss the larceny of chose in action charge due to lack of probable cause;
(3) his withholding important exculpatory evidence from his client including photographs which document her injuries and suggest that Reginald Daye was the aggressor;
(4) his withholding important exculpatory evidence from his client including the report from Dr. Christena L. Roberts which assesses Daye’s cause of death and the autopsy report by Dr. Nichols; and
(5) his testing the waters on behalf of the prosecutors to see if Mangum was ready to accept a plea deal by presenting one to her and advising her to take it… saying that she had a weak case.

For Mr. Vann to suggest that the case for Mangum’s defense is weak when the prosecution is willing to drop a first degree murder charge to assault with a deadly weapon for time served (about 500 days at the time) shows the ludicrous nature of his contentions about the offer. Rest assured that after Ms. Mangum is softened up with more jail time, the plea deal will be offered once more, because the prosecution is not going to take this case to trial, because it has no case. And because, as Mangum’s legal counsel, Mr. Vann holds a position of his client’s trust, he is charged with bringing about her downfall.

On September 18, 2012, Mr. Vann and his collaborators put on a court performance in which he was pretending to valiantly fight to have Ms. Mangum’s bail reduced from $200,000 to $50,000. I felt all along that this event was staged for Mangum’s benefit and that all participants involved in this charade knew that there was absolutely no way in Hades that her bail would be reduced one cent. Vann had been taking a lot of well-deserved criticism from Mangum supporters for not doing anything for his client, so in response he felt forced to put on this little courtroom drama. Mr. Vann’s true allegiances and fidelity are evidenced by his actions in which includes his failure to seek dismissal of the bogus charges against Mangum, his withholding all pertinent discovery and evidence not already in her possession from her, his infrequent visits and lack of communication with his client, and his general lack of urgency and willingness to allow Mangum to unjustly sit in jail separated from her three children. The bottom line is that Mr. Vann has sold his soul to the Blue Devil, as his priorities obviously are to protect Duke University and its hospital from negative publicity.

Because it is obvious to anyone with at least one functioning gray matter neuron that the stab wound inflicted by Mangum was not responsible for Reginald Daye’s brain death and subsequent elective removal from life support a week later and resultant death, the defense and prosecution have even shifted their stories to suggest that Mr. Daye’s brain death was due to a massive aspiration following a bout of emesis. Even the mainstream media is going along with this misdirection by not mentioning the fact that Mr. Daye was improperly intubated by Duke University Hospital staff. This medical mistake that attorneys on both sides and the media are trying to keep covered up led to hypoxia which resulted in brain death and Daye’s comatose state.

In addition to protecting Duke University Hospital’s reputation, Mr. Vann is entrusted with eliminating any legal liability Ms. Mangum has against the city of Durham for bringing a malicious prosecution against her. The privileged Duke Lacrosse defendants, who never spent a single day in jail and who were able to shake down Duke University for $20 million each, feel that they are now entitled to receive $10 million each from the city of Durham just because Attorney General Roy Cooper felt pressured by Joe Cheshire to proclaim that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were “innocent.” Not only that, but the mainstream media has lionized and coddled these boys while viciously attacking Crystal Mangum and labeling her as a liar who is emotionally unstable, violent, irrational and a threat to society. In this backdrop, Ms. Mangum’s attorney is trying to wrangle from her a plea deal that would let the city and its prosecutors off the hook for compensation she rightfully deserves for a premeditated vindictive and malicious prosecution that has deprived her of her liberty for nearly a year and a half and deprived her of contact with her three children who love her and need her.

Whereas Mr. Vann is the prosecution’s not-so-secret weapon against Ms. Mangum, the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong and Mangum’s supporters are her only weapons against an injustice system bent on making her suffer because of politics related to the Duke Lacrosse case. Legal layperson Sidney Harr, a retired physician who has been sounding the alarm about serious problems with the Nichols’ autopsy report of April 14, 2011 since its release to the public in mid-August 2011, has helped Ms. Mangum draft and file motions to the court to dismiss the charges against her. The result netted by his action has been for the North Carolina State Bar to investigate Harr for the unauthorized practice of law; the action originating from complaints by “more than one journalist,” and whose identities have been hidden by the Bar which assumed the role of complainant for that specific purpose. Then, when Harr filed a Pro se petition for writ of mandamus to order prosecutors to dismiss charges against Mangum for lack of probable cause and to order attorney Vann to desist from withholding evidence and discovery from his client Mangum, the State Bar launched another investigation for unauthorized law practice (this one scheduled to be heard on October 24, 2012). However, all of Harr’s complaints filed with the Bar against prosecutors Kelly Gauger and Charlene Coggins-Franks (for malicious prosecution against Mangum without probable cause) and H. Wood Vann (for withholding evidence and prosecution discovery from his client Mangum) were not acted upon.

What contributes to making this an uphill battle for the Committee and Mangum supporters is the silence and idleness of the enablers – NAACP, the ACLU, the North Carolina Coalition Against Domestic Violence (in Durham), politicians (including those in the North Carolina General Assembly), and civil rights and religious community leaders. It is understandable why people refuse to get involved in trying to help Crystal Mangum… they realize that to do so is politically incorrect and they justifiably fear the consequences. A lesson was learned in 2007 in North Carolina when former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong was persecuted by the state, disbarred by the State Bar, and crucified in the media because he went forward with his prosecution of the three defendants in the Duke Lacrosse case… that lesson being that acting ethically and with professional integrity will not protect an individual from being mauled by the system. This has even been borne out in this situation as Harr has already been confronted twice by the NC State Bar… actions against him initially instigated by the media.

I am of the firm belief that Dr. Clay Nichols felt under duress to go along with the program and issue a report he knew to be fraudulent in order to wrongly implicate Mangum lest he be subjected to the torturous treatment meted out to Mr. Nifong. The politicizing of Duke Lacrosse related issues have cast a pall over the state’s criminal justice system unlike any other case, forcing some good and decent people to unwillingly take part in corruption and others to look the other way. The timorous NAACP is looking the other way and has been quiet as a dormouse when it comes to the gross injustices against Ms. Mangum… as has the aforementioned enablers. Governor Bev Perdue has been apprised of the injustice against Mangum as has Attorney General Roy Cooper, and they have both elected to ignore the issue and allow an innocent mother of three to remain locked behind bars because of a misguided vendetta.

The Committee is engaged in waging a lonely battle for justice with the enablers being effectively throttled by a statewide reign of political-inspired terror that is ant-Nifong and anti-Mangum. After peeling off the veneer to expose the true nature of the prosecution’s not-so-secret weapon, it is time for Crystal Mangum to jettison Mr. Vann… deadweight that is undermining her case while propping up hopes for the prosecution. For example, Mr. Vann has consistently been inconsistent in his explanations about prosecution discovery and evidence. First he tells Ms. Mangum that he has received Dr. Roberts’ report but will withhold it from her. Then, after confronted by the Committee he states that he has not yet received the report. First he tells Ms. Mangum that he will withhold from her the photographs taken by prosecution related to the April 2011 incident… photographs which document her injuries at Daye’s hand and the other exculpatory evidence. Then, after pressed by the Committee, he told Ms. Mangum that he sent the disc containing the photographs to the printer and they came up blank. The most recent explanation is that the photographs provided by the prosecution show only images of smoke damage to the apartment in the 2010 case… that he has no images related to the 2011 case. Durham Police Forensics report  (Note: the smoke damage was the result of Durham Police officers allowing clothing on fire in a bathtub to burn for fifteen minutes without any attempt by officers to intervene and douse the blaze by turning on the bathtub spigot or shower.) He gave Mangum no indication as to when he would have possession of the above referenced evidence and discovery. He gave her no indication of any action he might take to expedite there retrieval… documents and evidence that holds the key to her release from custody and the dismissal of charges against her as the photos support her claims of self-defense and the Roberts report will undoubtedly reinforce the baseless foundation for the prosecution’s murder charge.

As this justice system tragedy continues to play out, Mangum’s sole supporters will continue to carry the good fight against the state and its not-so-secret weapon… Woody Vann, a wolf in sheep’s clothing who is guarding the hen house. Even so, it is Mangum who will prevail as truth is on her side… and hopefully other current enablers will eventually muster up the courage to do the right thing by moving from the sidelines and take part in this all-important conflict with justice on the line. 

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Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

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Your new name is...

Starlite Hon-Bun

Share with your friends!

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Is that really my Honey Boo Boo nickname?... "Starlite Hon-Bun"?

I like it. I'll have to check later to make sure you're not just putting me on.

But if it is, notice how the lite in Starlite fits right in with my enlightenment crusade. Also, regarding Hon-Bun, I'm a really sweet person. Yeah.

Anonymous said...

TL;DR! Sidney must have been bored or perhaps he failed to adjust his medications. The word count is headed in the wrong direction......2,000+ of pure "mumbo jumbo".....

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"But if it is, notice how the lite in Starlite fits right in with my enlightenment crusade. Also, regarding Hon-Bun, I'm a really sweet person. Yeah."

The fallacy there is that you have not enlightened anyone.

Example:

You repeatedly call Crystal the victim/accuser in the Duke Lacrosse case. The truth is that she is the victimizer/false accuser.

In your latest round of ranting and raving, you continue to present items as fact which you have never established as fact.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"...it is obvious to anyone with at least one functioning gray matter neuron that the stab wound inflicted by Mangum was not responsible for Reginald Daye’s brain death".

So you admit all you have in your functioning gray matter is one functioning neuron. That is an explanation of your delusions as to the Reginals Daye stabbing case.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Even the mainstream media is going along with this misdirection by not mentioning the fact that Mr. Daye was improperly intubated by Duke University Hospital staff."

The medical records you illegally accessed and posted documented that Reginald Daye was properly intubated.

Liar Liar pants on fire.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The privileged Duke Lacrosse defendants, who never spent a single day in jail and who were able to shake down Duke University for $20 million each, feel that they are now entitled to receive $10 million each from the city of Durham just because Attorney General Roy Cooper felt pressured by Joe Cheshire to proclaim that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were 'innocent.'"

Joe Cheshire did not pressure AG Cooper to proclaim the defendants innocent.

Liar Liar Pants on fire.

Do you believe the Duke Lacrosse defendants were guilty of the crimes with which they were charged? If so, why. What facts do you have to demonstrate they did commit the crimes.

Allegations of underage drinking, racial slurs(a false allegation) are not relevant. The Lacrosse defendants were charged with first degree rape.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You have yet to explain why Duke would have settled with the Lacrosse players if they could have prevailed in court.

That you do not know why is not an explanation. It is a manifestation of your own ignorance.

That is not surprising since you admit to having only one functioning brain cell in your gray matter.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"It is understandable why people refuse to get involved in trying to help Crystal Mangum".

Indeed it is. Crystal Mangum, via her own actions, has established herself as a violent criminal with no credibility.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I am of the firm belief that Dr. Clay Nichols felt under duress to go along with the program and issue a report he knew to be fraudulent in order to wrongly implicate Mangum lest he be subjected to the torturous treatment meted out to Mr. Nifong."

More evidence that you are completely divorced from reality and are probably schizophrenic.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Governor Bev Perdue has been apprised of the injustice against Mangum as has Attorney General Roy Cooper, and they have both elected to ignore the issue and allow an innocent mother of three to remain locked behind bars because of a misguided vendetta."

That is because you have informed them only of your unsubstantiated allegations and unsubstantiated allegations are not cause to interfere in the case.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

To my last comment I add, your misrepresentations of fact are a matter of public record, which renders you little to no credibility. So why should responsible public officials act on your allegations?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The Committee is engaged in waging a lonely battle for justice with the enablers being effectively throttled by a statewide reign of political-inspired terror that is ant-Nifong and anti-Mangum."

Your Committee has never waged a war for justice, ant the anti Nifong, anti Crystal campaign is another figment of your deluded, probably schizophrenic megalomaniacal imagination, just like the carpetbagger jihad.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"First [Woody Vann] tells Ms. Mangum that he will withhold from her the photographs taken by prosecution related to the April 2011 incident… photographs which document her injuries at Daye’s hand and the other exculpatory evidence."

Since the police reports you have published and misrepresented, and the ER reports you have published and misrepresented, document no injuries to Crystal, those photographs are a figment of your deluded, megalomaniacal, probably schizophrenic imagination, just like the anti Nifong, anti Crystal campaign, just like the carpetbagger jihad.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Note: the smoke damage [in Milton Walker's apartment] was the result of Durham Police officers allowing clothing on fire in a bathtub to burn for fifteen minutes without any attempt by officers to intervene and douse the blaze by turning on the bathtub spigot or shower."

The smoke damage was the result of Crystal setting the clothes on fire, something about which she lied.

And you have not established as fact that the fire could have been doused by simply turning on the shower.

Who told you that? Crystal who lied to you about setting the fire?

Here is an appropriate time to repeat LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"...the photos support her claims of self-defense [against Reginald Daye]".

First, establish that the photos exist. You haven't.

All you have is Crystal telling you Reginald Daye punched her. That is, Crystal the liar told you.

Lance the Intern said...

"Legal layperson Sidney Harr, a retired physician...helped Ms. Mangum draft and file motions to the court to dismiss the charges against her. The result netted by his action has been for the North Carolina State Bar to investigate Harr for the unauthorized practice of law. Then, when Harr filed a Pro se petition for writ of mandamus to order prosecutors to dismiss charges against Mangum for lack of probable cause and to order attorney Vann to desist from withholding evidence and discovery from his client Mangum, the State Bar launched another investigation for unauthorized law practice (this one scheduled to be heard on October 24, 2012). However, all of Harr’s complaints filed with the Bar against prosecutors Kelly Gauger and Charlene Coggins-Franks (for malicious prosecution against Mangum without probable cause) and H. Wood Vann (for withholding evidence and prosecution discovery from his client Mangum) were not acted upon."

Oh.my. Where to start...

1)"legal layperson" is a fictional term of your creation-- it means nothing.

2) As the NC Bar pointed out (and you agreed) assisting someone else with “preparing or assisting in the preparation of court pleadings or other legal documents for others" is, by definition, the unauthorized practice of law. You even said you'd stop. But then...

3) "when Harr filed a Pro se petition for writ of mandamus to order prosecutors to dismiss charges against Mangum"...You can't file a pro se petition in a criminal case when you're not the defendant. Can you say "unauthorized practice of law"?

4) Reginald Daye is dead. Crystal Mangum stabbed him. That meets the definition of "probable cause" The problem is -- you don't know the definition of "probable cause".

5) As I've stated Ad Nauseum, Attorney Vann is well within the rules of conduct in delaying any information to Ms. Mangum. I've even given you the link to the rules of conduct that govern this. Perhaps you should read them.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Even so, it is Mangum who will prevail as truth is on her side".

It should be obvious to you that since Crystal is still incarcerated and the charges still stand, you are not telling the truth.

Maybe it takes more than your one functioning brain cell for you to see that.

Anonymous said...

Lance the Intern September 26, 2012 8:20 AM

In this blog post, SIDNEY HARR has admitted he has only one functioning brain cell. It takes more than one functioning brain cell to comprehend the facts you have listed.

Lance the Intern said...

"The privileged Duke Lacrosse defendants, who never spent a single day in jail and who were able to shake down Duke University for $20 million each...

It has been proven (I gave you the link) that the IRS lien upon which you base this "$20 million" figure was an ERROR. Yet you continue to state this as fact. I challenge you now - PROVE that Duke paid the 3 LAX players $20 million each, or stop using this obvious lie and apologize for your previous usage.

Anonymous said...

When the kitchen gets too hot, sidney simply runs away and hides within a new flub post. Notice this trend? The posters catch him in lie after lie in his posts and, when he is faced with the REAL truth, he just posts another silly sleep-inducing flop, and runs off in another direction. Can you say avoidance, sidney? You are not only a certified documented liar, you are also a coward.
so many lies in this latest emesis-bucket of a flub, it's hard to know which one is the most obnoxious.
shame on you, hon bun.

Anonymous said...

Excellent post, Lance....appreciate your ability to cut through the bullshit...

Anonymous said...

"legal layperson"? Hmmmmmm, is that like "gypsy trained in Slovenia neurosurgeon"? Or, perhaps "serial killer pope"?

Anonymous said...

Ever notice Harr's Vendetta icon on his posts? How true.....and how very appropriate. At least he admits, at some level, that he is indeed full of hate, and ONLY interested in carrying out his personal race-based vendetta against white people. Sadly obvious, sidney. and shameful.

Anonymous said...

know what just chaps harr's bigoted backside more than anything......the LAX guys were successful in getting at least some measure of financial compensation from Duke for their Justified cause. Harr, however, didn't get a stinking penny for his UNjustified little-girl fit and nonexistent suit. THAT'S the real truth here, bro

Lance the Intern said...

Sid -- An Anonymous poster gave us this (in response to my question about the lack of a speedy trial statute) on the your previous blog's comments:

"Our Supreme Court in Spivey stated:

“The right to a speedy trial is different from other constitutional rights in that, among other things, deprivation of a speedy trial does not per se prejudice the ability of the accused to defend himself; it is impossible to determine precisely when the right has been denied; it cannot be said precisely how long a delay is too long; there is no fixed point when the accused is put to a choice of either exercising or waiving his right to a speedy trial; and dismissal of the charges is the only possible remedy for denial of the right to a speedy trial.” State v. McKoy, 294 N.C. 134, 140, 240 S.E.2d 383, 388 (1978).

In Barker v. Wingo, the United States Supreme Court identified four factors that “courts should assess in determining whether a particular defendant has been deprived of his right” to a speedy trial under the federal Constitution. 407 U.S. 514, 530, 33 L.Ed.2d 101, 117 (1972). These factors are: (i) the length of delay, (ii) the reason for delay, (iii) the defendant's assertion of his right to a speedy trial, and (iv) whether the defendant suffered prejudice as a result of the delay. Id.; see also State v. Flowers, 347 N.C. 1, 27, 489 S.E.2d 391, 406 (1997), cert. denied, 522 U.S. 1135, 140 L.Ed.2d 150 (1998). “We follow the same analysis when reviewing such claims under Article I, Section 18 of the North Carolina Constitution.” State v. Grooms, 353 N.C. 50, 62, 540 S.E.2d 713, 721 (2000), cert. denied, 534 U.S. 838, 151 L.Ed.2d 54 (2001).

Spivey, 357 N.C. at 118, 579 S.E.2d at 254 (some emphasis added). The language quoted above: “deprivation of a speedy trial does not per se prejudice the ability of the accused to defend himself[,]” may lead to some understandable confusion, especially as it is followed by the language “dismissal of the charges is the only possible remedy for denial of the right to a speedy trial.” When read in context, we understand these statements to mean that an unwarranted delay does not per se establish a violation of a defendant's Sixth Amendment right to a speedy trial. In order to conclude there has been a Sixth Amendment violation of a defendant's right to a speedy trial, the trial court must examine and consider all the Barker factors listed above. Id. at 118, 579 S.E.2d at 254.

I also found a comment about a case in NC where the judge said that, after Oct 1989, the state of NC simply follows the "federal" interpretative guidelines for what constitutes a speedy trial."


Pay special attention to the "4 factors" as defined in Barker v. Wingo. If Crystal feels her situation meets all of these factors, she should discuss it with her lawyer.

Thanks for the info, Anonymous!

guiowen said...

Sidney said:
"the Roberts report will undoubtedly reinforce the baseless foundation for the prosecution’s murder charge."

Do you understand what you're saying here, Sidney? Your statement, properly parsed, states that the Roberts report will reinforce the prosecution's arguments.
I guess your statement is quite correct.

Walt said...

First and foremost, Crystal is a false accuser. Her identification of the innocent lacrosse players was the result of the DPD violating its own General Orders with regard to identification procedures and using a flawed method that all but assures a false identification. If Sid was as much an advocate for fairness as he says, he would at least admit the above. He does not.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

Yep, guiowen, sidney now believes Dr. Roberts has gone over to the dark side..... I recall when he was touting her engagement by the then wondrous Woody.....Harr announced to all of us that Roberts, the obvious hired gun and professional witness, would show us all how the cow ate the cabbage.

Lance the Intern said...

"Then, after confronted by the Committee... Then, after pressed by the Committee"

The Committee has no standing in this case, and Attorney Vann owes them nothing. That he actually bothers to respond to The Committee should tell you something about his character.

I'd tell you to p*ss off.

Lance the Intern said...

...And by "you" I mean The Committee....

Anonymous said...

Hey Lance, you think Vann has actually responded to these wingnuts? I was just wondering....?? Hilariously funny that Harr thinks he has say-so, as a "legal layperson"...whatever the bleep that is. My guess is that sidney gets his information from what he reads in the media, from Mangum, and from his own imagination.

Lance the Intern said...

Sid stated "...after confronted by the Committee he [Attorney Vann] states that he has not yet received the report."

I read that to mean that Vann responded directly to the The Committee.

I could be wrong. Who knows...Maybe in Sid's world it was Woody Hayes that stated this to The Committee.

Anonymous said...

LOL, true, so true, Lance. I love the language, "confronted by the committee".....can't you just see harr and peterson, flagging down Vann in the hallway, demanding that he turn over papers to the committee, oops, I mean, Mangum.......

Break the Conspiracy said...

Sid:

Once again, you allege Vann is conspiring against Crystal. Once again, you do nothing.

You state: "it is time for Crystal Mangum to jettison Mr. Vann." No, Sid. I noted almost a month ago that Crystal could not obtain justice with an attorney who worked against her. You agreed--or pretended to agree.

Faced with a widespread conspiracy, you know what must be done:

1. Convince Crystal to fire Vann and represent herself.
2. Obtain discovery from Crystal.
3. Circumvent the media by posting photographs of Crystal's serious injuries.
4. Increase your readership, with press conferences, interviews, demonstrations, teach-ins, etc.

I agree with others that you should raise Crystal's bail. She must lead her own defense.

You described her press conference in the arson case as a powerful rebuttal of the prosecution: her denial of charges that she set the fire resonated with you. What better spokesperson can you imagine than Crystal? She can present her own case--but not in an orange jumpsuit behind cold steel bars.

Sid, it is past time for you to act. If you continue to do nothing, you are an Enabler. You are not silent, but you "do nothing due to lack of will..."

Anonymous said...

Sister admitted she did set the fire in the 2010 case. ooooopsie, sidney......caught again. pants definitely on fire, bro

Anonymous said...

Break, you are a riot!!

Anonymous said...

Hey lets start a "Fire Woody....we need a new football coach" campaign....

Anonymous said...

Hmm, that's odd.....I checked the high school roster for class of 1996 and didn't find old Malek. peculiar.....

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

Hmm, that's odd.....I checked the high school roster for class of 1996 and didn't find old Malek. peculiar.....

September 26, 2012 12:40 PM"

Not surprising at all.

guiowen said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Hmm, that's odd.....I checked the high school roster for class of 1996 and didn't find old Malek. peculiar....."

And here I thought Malek really did exist. Essentially, I figured he was some guy who had a crush on Crystal, back in their high school days.
Kenhyderal, what are you trying to pull?

Lance the Intern said...

I just assumed both Malek and Kenhyderal were D.J. Register....

Anonymous said...

well, he could still be from that high school and that class.....maybe didn't get on the roster or whatever. but his name is definitely on the class list online. I checked again. Oh well, I am certain we will hear something shortly......:)
Perhaps rae evans, the grand dragonness of the great conspiracy, swooped down on durham and used her No2 pencil to erase him....

Anonymous said...

excuse me....definitely NOT on the class list online.......I am typing challenged, apparently......

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen, the only two people I know who can confirm that I am not Malek Williams are Crystal and Dr. Harr. I only communicate with Crystal via Matt Murchison. Matt and I have not discussed anything concerning Crystal this trivial. Although I believe that Dr. Harr, as host of this blog, could easily confirm this; for some reason, inexplicable to me, he will not do so.

kenhyderal said...

This person Malek Williams has also posted in a blog called "Democracy in Durham" hosted by a Stephen Matherly who I believe is also a member of Justice4Nifong. To Malek I say, I appreciate your concen for your former classmate but the way you are going about it, on this blog, is fosterning ridicule and is only hindering the efforts of people who know and love her to correct the lies.

Anonymous said...

Kenny we know how to use google, too. If you google Malek Williams, the only listing you will find is the one you just happen to mention......a post on the Matherly site from, what was it, 2010? I find it interesting that the only time the elusive Mr. Williams appears is when his name happens to get mentioned......
curiouser and curiouser.....as they say.
Actually, kenny, none of us really care whether Malek is a fig newton of somebody's imagination. His existence is as transparent and fleeting as Mangum's ability to keep her stories straight.

Anonymous said...

Ken,

You really should get some sleep. What time is it in Dubai? Your posts are at 2:19 and 3:15am?

This Malek Williams nonsense is trivial. Please go to sleep and don't worry about it.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I believe that Dr. Harr, as host of this blog, could easily confirm this(that Malek Williams exists); for some reason, inexplicable to me, he will not do so."

It is not inexplicable. Even SIDNEY HARR does not find you credible.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"This person Malek Williams has also posted in a blog called "Democracy in Durham" hosted by a Stephen Matherly who I believe is also a member of Justice4Nifong."

I think you have been told that Malek William's post was in a blog dated December of 2010. The question now is why have posts, which mostly are word for word copies of your previous posts, now turn up on J4N ascribed to said Malek Williams.

The most likely explanation is that you are copying your own previous posts and then posting them again under the name Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Crystal can confirm you are not Malek Williams. You mean the same Crystal who lied to SIDNEY HARR when she confirmed to him that she did not set Milton Walker's clothes on fire?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"To Malek I say, I appreciate your concen for your former classmate but the way you are going about it, on this blog, is fosterning ridicule and is only hindering the efforts of people who know and love her to correct the lies."

Talking to yourself again?

The biggest lie in the Duke Lacrosse case was and is that Crystal was raped. You are trying to perpetuate that lie, not correct it.

Anonymous said...

I re-read the Steven Matherly Democracy in Durham (what a title, huh) piece and post from December 2010. It is particularly ironic and funny that Matherly is actually bragging in his piece about how Crystal escaped the arson charge! I thought that was hilarious. I wonder if Mr. Matherly is around these days to eat his crow pie, knowing that the lovely Ms. Mangum admitted, publicly, that she DID set that fire in that apartment IN THE PRESENCE OF HER CHILDREN. Yep, she fooled the court and escaped the arson charge. And, yep, she lied, too.
Now, funny for the J4N members that their darling keeps running her mouth, publicly, and screwing up her image as the "innocent mother of 3".
whew.......

Anonymous said...

Further irony.....
Twice, Ms. Mangum remembers the very same words are said by her supposed attacker(s). First, during the rape that did not happen, "Honey, you are not going anywhere"....Mangum claimed she heard this. And, now, a second time, she said Daye told her, "You are not going anywhere".
Also rather ironic that Durham's innocent mother of three spouts "Ill stab you, MXXXXXX" in front of a police officer...yelling at Walker. And, sure enough, she winds up with her wish...only she stabs Daye.
A third irony.....Ms. Mangum is drunk on her ear in her dancing partner's car in front of the grocery story when the officer comes out.....he describes her as such in his notes. Later, she is drunk when the brawl with Walker breaks out. Most recently, she is passing out on the floor of her aunt's apartment, refusing to keep her eyes open, while the officer tries to read her Miranda. See a pattern here, folks?
Yet, the innocenter mother of 3 is always the victim, always the target of the evil white oppressors, always hounded.
Give me a break....

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You list all these people as members of your J4N gang. Why do none of them post on your J4N blog? None. That is circumstantial but definite evidence that they are true believers in your vendetta.

How many of them have contributed money for Crystal's bail?

Do any of them even read your J4N posts?

Anonymous said...

Correction;

SIDNEY HARR:

You list all these people as members of your J4N gang. How many of them post on your J4N blog? None. That is circumstantial but definite evidence that they are true believers in your vendetta.

How many of them have contributed money for Crystal's bail?

Do any of them even read your J4N posts?

Anonymous said...

Further correction:

SIDNEY HARR:

You list all these people as members of your J4N gang. How many of them post on your J4N blog? None. That is circumstantial but definite evidence that they are not true believers in your vendetta.

How many of them have contributed money for Crystal's bail?

Do any of them even read your J4N posts?

Anonymous said...

If you believe the photos on the web site for J4N, the list of members in the club reads like a Who's Who of wingnuts in Durham. ......including Durham's very own bigot queen, Victoria Peterson, the resident homophobe. Isn't it just a teeny bit hypocritical of saintly sid to rant about his devotion to social justice causes while he plays kiss-face with an outspoken gay hater? Nice, sid. reallly nice.

Anonymous said...

boy, it must be something to consider yourself mangum's "only weapon" in her fight against the evil white oppressor jihad! One would think Mangum might be just a little be insulted........has the poor thing no brain herself? Has she no friends who are not in the club? And, of course, sidney....she has the most powerful weapons of all....honesty, good behavior choices, keeping her drawers on, giving up booze and drugs, going to work, staying out of the sack with men, and rebuilding her own life by TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR HERSELF, HER CHOICES AND BEING ACCOUNTABLE. If she has to serve time, or, if she is found not guilty.....either way. I would add that the first good choice she can make is to tell you, as Lance so appropriately said, to P*** OFF!!

Anonymous said...

Hey sidney, just how much, exactly, have you and the club members raised toward Crystal's bail? I betcha it's a big fat zero.

Anonymous said...

No conscious Cline gets a little bit of a score on heer side...with the Appeals court hearing the case about the guy with the human bones in his backpack. Hudson may have kicked out the case prematurely. However, I hope nobody is misled by the headlines here. Her behavior, public tirades, horrible accusations of corruption and outright evil on the judge's part.....were and are way over the top. She will get a shot to defend herself with the Bar....and then, we will see where this ends. Personally, I think the woman is a disgrace as a lawyer. ...but, hey, that's just me.

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr is all blow and no go. He whines nonstop about the nonexistent conspiracy to screw up Mangum. He interferes and his meddling leads to Shella's saying adios. (good call, Chris....). He makes an ass of himself by violating federal law (HIPPA) and shows complete disrespect for the dead by making totally unsubstantiated claims that Reginald Daye was an alcoholic, woman beating, maniac. He misrepresents, and far more frequently, flat out LIES about almost anything and everything to do with Nifong and Mangum.
Wonder why Harr does this? Because he is a racist and because he lacks the integrity and moral character to be an honest man

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance the Intern said...
"Legal layperson Sidney Harr, a retired physician...helped Ms. Mangum draft and file motions to the court to dismiss the charges against her. The result netted by his action has been for the North Carolina State Bar to investigate Harr for the unauthorized practice of law. Then, when Harr filed a Pro se petition for writ of mandamus to order prosecutors to dismiss charges against Mangum for lack of probable cause and to order attorney Vann to desist from withholding evidence and discovery from his client Mangum, the State Bar launched another investigation for unauthorized law practice (this one scheduled to be heard on October 24, 2012). However, all of Harr’s complaints filed with the Bar against prosecutors Kelly Gauger and Charlene Coggins-Franks (for malicious prosecution against Mangum without probable cause) and H. Wood Vann (for withholding evidence and prosecution discovery from his client Mangum) were not acted upon."

Oh.my. Where to start...

1)"legal layperson" is a fictional term of your creation-- it means nothing.

2) As the NC Bar pointed out (and you agreed) assisting someone else with “preparing or assisting in the preparation of court pleadings or other legal documents for others" is, by definition, the unauthorized practice of law. You even said you'd stop. But then...

3) "when Harr filed a Pro se petition for writ of mandamus to order prosecutors to dismiss charges against Mangum"...You can't file a pro se petition in a criminal case when you're not the defendant. Can you say "unauthorized practice of law"?

4) Reginald Daye is dead. Crystal Mangum stabbed him. That meets the definition of "probable cause" The problem is -- you don't know the definition of "probable cause".

5) As I've stated Ad Nauseum, Attorney Vann is well within the rules of conduct in delaying any information to Ms. Mangum. I've even given you the link to the rules of conduct that govern this. Perhaps you should read them.


Intern, let me address your concerns one at a time...
(1) the term "layperson" is often used to define a non-professional in a field of practice. I used the term legal layperson to differentiate it from a layperson in relation to the medical field. In medicine, I am no layperson, but the same cannot be said for the field of law;
(2) what I told the bar was that I would not draft documents for other people. The petition I filed in Mangum's case I did as a Pro Se petitioner;
(3) I could not find in the law books anything prohibiting a third party from filing a petition for a writ of mandamus in a case that he/she feels has an affect on him/her;
(4) Just because Mangum stabbed Daye does not mean she is responsible for his death. Daye's hospitalization was complicated by his delirium tremens which resulted in his move to the SICU and events which subsequently led to the ill-fated intubation; and
(5) Mr. Vann knows he is not on solid ground in withholding evidence from his client, so now he's changed his tune saying that he doesn't have the evidence... that he never received the Roberts report and that the only photographs he's received from the prosecution are of the smoke-damaged apartment in the 2010 incident.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
KENHYDERAL:

"I believe that Dr. Harr, as host of this blog, could easily confirm this(that Malek Williams exists); for some reason, inexplicable to me, he will not do so."

It is not inexplicable. Even SIDNEY HARR does not find you credible.


For the record let me make this official announcement: Malek Williams does exist and he is not kenhyderal!

I hope this puts an end to the controversy.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

You list all these people as members of your J4N gang. Why do none of them post on your J4N blog? None. That is circumstantial but definite evidence that they are true believers in your vendetta.

How many of them have contributed money for Crystal's bail?

Do any of them even read your J4N posts?


j4n members are welcomed to post on this blog site, but I guess they have chosen not to do so.

Secondly, j4n does not have a vendetta... we are crusaders for justice (specifically for Mr. Nifong but for Crystal Mangum and others mistreated by the Tar Heelian justice system).

Thirdly, I don't know how many have contributed to Crystal's bail.

Fourthly, I believe that some members take the time to look into the postings on this blog site.

Lance the Intern said...

Legal Layperson -- read this sentence again (slowly if you must):

"You can't file a pro se petition in a criminal case when you're not the defendant."

Read it one more time. Now ask yourself "Am I named as a defendant in the Reginald Daye murder case?"

If the answer is NO, then the petition you filed in Mangum's case as a Pro Se petitioner is an unauthorized practice of law.

" I could not find in the law books anything prohibiting a third party from filing a petition for a writ of mandamus in a case that he/she feels has an affect on him/her..."

What "law books" were you checking?

" Mr. Vann knows he is not on solid ground in withholding evidence from his client...

Your refusal to accept that you are wrong in this regard is duly noted.

Nifong Supporter said...


Break the Conspiracy said...
Sid:

Once again, you allege Vann is conspiring against Crystal. Once again, you do nothing.

You state: "it is time for Crystal Mangum to jettison Mr. Vann." No, Sid. I noted almost a month ago that Crystal could not obtain justice with an attorney who worked against her. You agreed--or pretended to agree.

Faced with a widespread conspiracy, you know what must be done:

1. Convince Crystal to fire Vann and represent herself.
2. Obtain discovery from Crystal.
3. Circumvent the media by posting photographs of Crystal's serious injuries.
4. Increase your readership, with press conferences, interviews, demonstrations, teach-ins, etc.

I agree with others that you should raise Crystal's bail. She must lead her own defense.

You described her press conference in the arson case as a powerful rebuttal of the prosecution: her denial of charges that she set the fire resonated with you. What better spokesperson can you imagine than Crystal? She can present her own case--but not in an orange jumpsuit behind cold steel bars.

Sid, it is past time for you to act. If you continue to do nothing, you are an Enabler. You are not silent, but you "do nothing due to lack of will..."


Break, I agree with all of your recommendations, that Woody Vann needs to go, that Crystal needs to obtain all of the discovery and evidence, and that once I do get the photographs related to the 2011incident I do plan on posting them for the world to see. As far as increasing readership and viewers I plan on changing formats from Flash to a video one that can be uploaded to You Tube. It won't be interactive but it can direct them to the blog site and other sites.

Thanks for your comments. We're on the same page and I'm working at a pace that I think works well with Crystal.

guiowen said...

Sidney said:
"Break, I agree with all of your recommendations, that Woody Vann needs to go, that Crystal needs to obtain all of the discovery and evidence, and that once I do get the photographs related to the 2011incident I do plan on posting them for the world to see."

It's clear Vann is not going to give you all those photographs, etc. So, have you talked to Crystal about getting rid of Vann? Have you looked for a new lawyer? Why haven't you persuaded Mike Nifong to come back out of retirement so he can help Crystal? After he dropped the ball so badly for her in 2006, don't you think he owes it to Crystal?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:33 PM 9-26-12 said:" You really should get some sleep. What time is it in Dubai? Your posts are at 2:19 and 3:15am?"............Fight for right both day and night.

Anonymous said...

Lord Sidney are you so dumb that you cannot recognize satire?

Walt said...

Sid wrote: "(2) what I told the bar was that I would not draft documents for other people. The petition I filed in Mangum's case I did as a Pro Se petitioner;..."

As you are not a party to the criminal case, you cannot be a petitioner. The only choice is you are drafting a motion for Crystal, or you are obstructing the function of the court. Not a good place to be.

"(3) I could not find in the law books anything prohibiting a third party from filing a petition for a writ of mandamus in a case that he/she feels has an affect on him/her;..."

You didn't look very hard. The law remained unchanged with regards to a writ of mandamus for relief other than enforcement of a money judgment until all statutory authority for the special remedy of mandamus was repealed, effective 1 January 1970. See Fleming v. Mann, 23 N.C. App. 418, 420, 209 S.E.2d 366, 368 (1974), 1967 N.C. Sess. Laws ch. 954, § 4. The legislation further specified that the repeal did not constitute a reenactment of the common law. 1967 N.C. Sess. Laws ch. 954, § 7.
In 1971, the North Carolina Supreme Court held there was no “practical difference in the results to be obtained by the common- law remedy of mandamus and the equitable remedy of mandatory injunction[,]” and the writ of mandamus therefore remains available as an extraordinary remedy issued by a court of competent jurisdiction to command the performance of a specified official duty issued by law. See Sutton v. Figgatt, 280 N.C. 89, 92, 185 S.E.2d 97, 99 (1971).

I have written previously that Woody Van is not an official with a specific duty as to you. You have ignored that, as you do whenever you don't like it that the law says you cannot do something. That makes your writings very unpersuasive.

"(4) Just because Mangum stabbed Daye does not mean she is responsible for his death. Daye's hospitalization was complicated by his delirium tremens which resulted in his move to the SICU and events which subsequently led to the ill-fated intubation...."

Actually, under our law, it does. Again, you ignore the law when it does not suit you.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"what I told the bar was that I would not draft documents for other people. The petition I filed in Mangum's case I did as a Pro Se petitioner;"

Since you were not a party in Crystal's case, you had no legal way of filing a pro se petition. A pro se petition is filed by the defendant herself. Obviously you are not Crystal Mangum.

"I could not find in the law books anything prohibiting a third party from filing a petition for a writ of mandamus in a case that he/she feels has an affect on him/her;"

Probably because you did minimal research. The definition of pro se is available on line. That you feel the case affects you does not establish your "right" a pro se petition. In a criminal case you have to be the defendant to file a pro se petition.

"Just because Mangum stabbed Daye does not mean she is responsible for his death. Daye's hospitalization was complicated by his delirium tremens which resulted in his move to the SICU and events which subsequently led to the ill-fated intubation;"

The complications happened as complications of the medical treatment by Crystal's stabbing of Reginald Daye. The complications do not relieve her from responsibility for his death.

"Mr. Vann knows he is not on solid ground in withholding evidence from his client, so now he's changed his tune saying that he doesn't have the evidence".

So now you are saying that because Mr. Vann says he does not have the evidence, that is evidence he is withholding it. Do you know how ridiculous you sound. How have you established such evidence exists?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"For the record let me make this official announcement: Malek Williams does exist and he is not kenhyderal!

I hope this puts an end to the controversy."

Since you promulgate lies as the truth, why do you think your official announcement is credible?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"j4n members are welcomed to post on this blog site, but I guess they have chosen not to do so."

Which would indicate they do not believe in you or in your vendetta.

"Secondly, j4n does not have a vendetta... we are crusaders for justice (specifically for Mr. Nifong but for Crystal Mangum and others mistreated by the Tar Heelian justice system)."

An example of a barefaced lie you try to peddle(not pedal) as truth. You do not crusade for justice. You would not be publishing things like, the Lacrosse players are not innocent, Crystal Mangum was a victim, DA NIFONG was brought down by a carpetbagger jihad, if you were not outraged that the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players were not convicted on the word of false accuser Crystal Mangum.

"Thirdly, I don't know how many have contributed to Crystal's bail."

That is probably so because none of them have contributed.

"Fourthly, I believe that some members take the time to look into the postings on this blog site."

So why have they not posted any support for you? Did any of them show up at the non-news conference you held for Crystal? Are there really other members or is it a smoke screen you have put up to pull off an illusion that there is extensive support for Crystal?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I plan on changing formats from Flash to a video one that can be uploaded to You Tube. It won't be interactive but it can direct them to the blog site and other sites."

So let's see how many hits you get and how many likes. It won't be any where near the release of the iphone5. It will not generate the same amount of interest that was generated by AG Cooper's news conference in which he expressed his belief in the innocence of the accused Lacrosse players(which belief you would like to suppress, in contravention of the First Amendment)

"Thanks for your comments(referring to Break). We're on the same page and I'm working at a pace that I think works well with Crystal."

And accomplishing absolutely nothing.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:33 PM 9-26-12 said:" You really should get some sleep. What time is it in Dubai? Your posts are at 2:19 and 3:15am?"............Fight for right both day and night."

Except you are fighting for injustice both day and night. You are fighting to have innocent Caucasian men convicted of rape on the word of false accuser/victimizer Crystal Mangum.

Anonymous said...

Correction:

SIDNEY HARR:

"I could not find in the law books anything prohibiting a third party from filing a petition for a writ of mandamus in a case that he/she feels has an affect on him/her;"

Probably because you did minimal research. The definition of pro se is available on line. That you feel the case affects you does not establish your "right" as a pro se petitioner. In a criminal case you have to be the defendant to file a pro se petition.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You are dodging the question.

What factual evidence do you have that the three Lacrosse players committed the crimes with which they were charged.

Crystal's allegation is not evidence. It is an allegation which, without evidence, is an uncorroborated allegation.

Crystal's eye witness identification of assailants was too thoroughly unreliable to be considered as evidence.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:48 PM 9-26-12 said:...................... "A third irony.....Ms. Mangum is drunk on her ear in her dancing partner's car in front of the grocery story when the officer comes out.....he describes her as such in his notes. Later, she is drunk when the brawl with Walker breaks out.".............. An independent sworn deposition , as opposed to the self serving testimony given by LaX Players, said Crystal arrived unimpaired. Upon arrival she was offered a drink. Shortly thereafter she became grossly impaired. Her symptoms were consistant with having been drugged with chloral hydrate; a "date rape drug" that is freely soluble in any alcoholic drink. It acts very quickly, redering the person unable to function. For this reasons it is used to rob assult or kidnapp a victim. This drug wears off quickly and back in 2006 it was very difficult to test for. There is no evidence that Crystal was intoxicated when she was involved in the domestic despute with Milton Walker. Read their testimony in her court case.

kenhyderal said...

Nifong Supporter said: "For the record let me make this official announcement: Malek Williams does exist and he is not kenhyderal!

I hope this puts an end to the controversy." ............... Thanks Dr. Harr for finally putting this matter to rest. And to Mr. Williams I say, "I hope you will continue to post, using your own words, to correct the lies and set straight the misconceptions about Crystal.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 1:00 PM said" Except you are fighting for injustice both day and night. You are fighting to have innocent Caucasian men convicted of rape on the word of false accuser/victimizer Crystal Mangum.".............. Let me respond with a platitude. "I am fighting to have persons guilty of crimes convicted for those crimes".

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"An independent sworn deposition , as opposed to the self serving testimony given by LaX Players, said Crystal arrived unimpaired. Upon arrival she was offered a drink. Shortly thereafter she became grossly impaired. Her symptoms were consistant with having been drugged with chloral hydrate; a "date rape drug" that is freely soluble in any alcoholic drink."

Again you show you are an advocate for injustice.

What Lax players said in their statements to the police was that Crystal was drunk when she arrived at the party. That you call them self serving does not make it so. It presumes a crime was committed. The Duke Lacrosse players knew no crime was committed so what they said was not self serving.

Her behavior was not typical of someone who had been given a date rape drug(see the blog Forensics Talk). That you say her behavior was consistent with someone who had been Chloral Hydrate does not make it so. You have shown a tendency to distort the facts of the case, e.g. that Dr. Julie Manly was an experienced physician at the time she did the exam on Crystal(which exam showed no evidence of rape).

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

What are your credentials as a medical expert. Have you ever even seen someone who was the victim of a date rape drug?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Let me respond with a platitude. 'I am fighting to have persons guilty of crimes convicted for those crimes'."

Since no crime was committed against Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006, there was no one guilty of perpetrating a crime.

Ergo, it is self evident that you are not "fighting to have persons guilty of crimes convicted for those crimes".

You are fighting to have innocent Caucasian men wrongfully convicted of this crime which never happened.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"[Chloral Hydrate] wears off quickly and back in 2006 it was very difficult to test for."

So explain how that establishes at fact that Chloral Hydrate was used.

Remember, there was testimony that Crystal was intoxicated when she arrived at the party(which is not self serving testimony just because you do not like it). According to the description of how a date rape victim behaves from Forensic Talk, Crystal did not act like she was under the influence of a date rape drug.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Nifong Supporter said: 'For the record let me make this official announcement: Malek Williams does exist and he is not kenhyderal'!

I hope this puts an end to the controversy." ............... Thanks Dr. Harr for finally putting this matter to rest. And to Mr. Williams I say, "I hope you will continue to post, using your own words, to correct the lies and set straight the misconceptions about Crystal."

You are on record as someone who tries to pass off distortions of facts and outright lies as truth, just like SIDNEY HARR. Therefore, neither one of you is credible.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Saying you believe DA NIFONG had evidence which would have convicted the defendants had he been able to present it at trial does not answer the question.

It is an admission that you have no knowledge of any evidence which would have convicted the innocent, falsely accused defendants.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 1:00 PM said "Except you are fighting for injustice both day and night. You are fighting to have innocent Caucasian men convicted of rape on the word of false accuser/victimizer Crystal Mangum.".............. Let me respond with a platitude. "I am fighting to have persons guilty of crimes convicted for those crimes'.

This is a de facto admission on your part that you have presumed some Caucasian males guilty of raping Crystal Mangum. You have no evidence, just speculation and conjecture. Your Chloral Hydrate is just speculation.

That hardly makes you someone who is fighting for justice day and night.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 1:46 said: "What are your credentials as a medical expert. Have you ever even seen someone who was the victim of a date rape drug?"................. No I have not but, perhaps, our resident physicians Dr. Harr and Dr. Orgel, from experience, can confirm the research I have done on this topic. Keep in mind that Crystal was only tested for one date rape drug, "GHB" other then being tested for the common street drugs canabis,cocaine and methamphetamine which all were negative. At Duke Hospital she was not observed to be under the influence of alcohol. Very few stupefying drugs, other then chloral hydrate, including even ethanol, wear off so quickly without traces

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 1:59 said: "Remember, there was testimony that Crystal was intoxicated when she arrived at the party(which is not self serving testimony just because you do not like it). According to the description of how a date rape victim behaves from Forensic Talk, Crystal did not act like she was under the influence of a date rape drug" .............. And their was contrary evidence that she was not. Forensic Talk gives only general information on date rape drugs; not the unique features of chloral hydrate ie. extremely rapid onset, a short duration and a drug not easily detected. It is well known, on College campuses, by those with nefarious intent, that in contrast to the more easily obtainable GHB, proving it was used would be difficult.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

" No I have not but, perhaps, our resident physicians Dr. Harr and Dr. Orgel, from experience, can confirm the research I have done on this topic. Keep in mind that Crystal was only tested for one date rape drug, "GHB" other then being tested for the common street drugs canabis,cocaine and methamphetamine which all were negative. At Duke Hospital she was not observed to be under the influence of alcohol. Very few stupefying drugs, other then chloral hydrate, including even ethanol, wear off so quickly without traces."

SIDNEY HARR is a self evidently, thoroughly incompetent physician. Citing him as one who can vouch for your research is like citing Idi Amin as an authority on Democratic leadership. So far as Dr. Orgel is concerned, he never took you "research" seriously.

Whatever it was observed about her at Duke Hospital, it was observed that she had no findings consistent with a rape, Tara Levicy(who really did not observe her) notwithstanding.

Citing the characteristics of Chloral Hydrate proves nothing as to whether or not she was administered Chloral Hydrate. If you have read how Crystal behaved after the party and how the victim of a date rape drug behaves, Crystal did not behave as if she had been given a date rape drug.

Your argument on Chloral Hydrate, like so many of your arguments, is just speculation and conjecture. It establishes nothing.

On the other hand, your conjecture ans speculation notwithstanding, forensic testing definitively ruled out the occurrence of a rape. That you can not see that is a function of your presumption that someone was guilty of raping Crystal

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Forensic Talk gives a very clear description of how the victim of a date rape drug behaves. Crystal did not behave that way.

What you seem to be saying is that Chloral Hydrate could have been used, it should be assumed it was used. Again, that thinking is a function of your presuming guilt on the part of some innocent Caucasian men.

In spite of what you speculate about the rape kit testing, the forensic testing of the rape kit definitively ruled out the occurrence of a rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Other facts you ignore, as a function of your presumption of guilt, are that Chloral Hydrate is not readily available and synthesis of Chloral Hydrate requires a bit of expertise in Chemistry.

If someone wanted to slip someone a date rape drug, that individual would be more likely to use something other than Chloral Hydrate.

What definite, factual evidence that Chloral Hydrate was used.

You were not at the Kroeger when Kim Roberts/Pittman tried to have Crystal removed from her car, nor were you present at the DUMC ER when Crystal was evaluated. You really have no basis to say what Crystal was behaving like, which makes your hypothesis groundless and of no legal weight.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"not the unique features of chloral hydrate ie. extremely rapid onset, a short duration and a drug not easily detected. It is well known, on College campuses, by those with nefarious intent, that in contrast to the more easily obtainable GHB, proving it was used would be difficult. "

Let me rephrase. How does that establish that Chloral Hydrate was used?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Why would anyone administer a date rape drug to a woman when there was no intent to rape her?

Forensic exam of the rape kit, for all your speculating and conjecturing and presumption of guilt, definitively ruled out the occurrence of a rape.

What definitively ruled in the occurrence of a rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

How can you establish as fact that members of the Lacrosse team did have Chloral Hydrate present in the house.

What could have been does not establish what actually was.

kenhyderal said...

The on-going tactic, for the Duke LaX Player's Lawyers and for their unwitting brain-washed surrogates, in support of the greedy lawsuits being pursued, is to adhere to the old Republican strategy, as inunciated by G.O.P. hitman Roger Stone, " Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattacks" Multi-million paydays are at stake and their propaganda machine using such venues as Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers and Durham in Wonderland have worked daily for years towards enriching themselves and their clients

kenhyderal said...

Calling into question the credentials of Dr.Harr. Dr. Manley Nurse Levicy are perfect examples of my contention. In general, most of those here and elsewhere have no standing to question their professional abilities. On the other hand Dr.Harr as a former Emergeny Medicine specialist does have the qualifications to express opionions on what he considers to be a botched intubation causing morbidity.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"Hmm, that's odd.....I checked the high school roster for class of 1996 and didn't find old Malek. peculiar....."


You are wrong. I am a member of the class, but I stopped using my slave name several years ago.


Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

Break the Conspiracy said...

guiowen:

I share your frustration at Sid's indecisiveness.

It has been clear for some time that Vann will not provide evidence to Crystal. Sid first alleged Vann was working with prosecutors in an August 9 post, an accusation repeated in 8 additional posts. Crystal cannot obtain justice if her attorney is conspiring against her.

I cannot understand why Sidney has not discussed this with Crystal over 7 weeks. Firing Vann is the obvious answer to a serious conflict.

Asking Nifong to come out of retirement is interesting. He is one person Crystal could trust. However, I would not delay firing Vann. The Bar will drag out proceedings before denying the request. They continue to make an example of Nifong.

Crystal can represent herself. She will control discovery. Sid is confident the photos display the horrific injuries Daye inflicted during her hour of terror. No one will doubt her courage and right to defend herself as she escaped death. The prosecution will have no ability to rebut the photos. Sid is convinced they will be forced to drop charges.

However, this site does not reach a wide enough audience. The Truth will not set Crystal free if not enough people see it.

The problem is not format. YouTube is not the answer. Not enough people are aware this site exists. I suggested press conferences, interviews, demonstrations, teach-ins, etc. to increase awareness.

You made an excellent suggestion: Sid should ask Coleman to sponsor a debate of issues surrounding Crystal's case. In addition to a forum that will attract readers, being invited to Duke as a speaker would allow him some satisfaction after his shameful mistreatment.

Thanks for helping to persuade Sid to act. I wish others would be equally helpful.

Anonymous said...

Ken,

You never answered the question why the DPD never investigated the allegations. This was the highest profile crime allegation in Dueham's history, and the DPD did almost nothing to solve the crime.

Why is that?

Anonymous said...

Ken,

You never answered the question why the DPD never investigated the allegations. This was the highest profile crime allegation in Durham's history, and the DPD did almost nothing to solve the crime.

Why is that?

Anonymous said...

Is Dick Brodhead's Honey Boo Boo name Broad Dickhead?

guiowen said...

Break,
Thank you for your support. It's unfortunate, isn't it, that no one else is willing to give Sidney the advice he and Crystal so sorely need?

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
'Hmm, that's odd.....I checked the high school roster for class of 1996 and didn't find old Malek. peculiar.....'


You are wrong. I am a member of the class, but I stopped using my slave name several years ago.


Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996

September 27, 2012 5:50 PM"

Right on, KENHYDERAL

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Calling into question the credentials of Dr.Harr. Dr. Manley Nurse Levicy are perfect examples of my contention. In general, most of those here and elsewhere have no standing to question their professional abilities. On the other hand Dr.Harr as a former Emergeny Medicine specialist does have the qualifications to express opionions on what he considers to be a botched intubation causing morbidity."

No one is calling into question the credentials of Tara Levicy and Dr. Julie Manly. I am pointing out that you , probably deliberately, misrepresented their credentials. Tara Levicy was a SANE in training, not an experienced, credentialed SANE. Dr. Manly was a resident, not an experienced attending.

You also misrepresented what was found from Crystal's examination. Read the reference I have posted twice which refers to the exam. Tara Levicy did not do the exam. Dr. Manly did. Dr. Manly did not find any major injuries. I say again, Tara Levicy's statement of "injuries consistent with rape" is medically and legally meaningless. It was a way for Tara Levicy to say, nothing was found but I believe Crystal was raped.

So far as SIDNEY HARR, the medical records he illegally accessed and posted document that the endotracheal tube was properly placed. That he claims the tube was not properly placed shows only that he is a totally incompetent physician. SIDNEY does not want to comment on his credentials.

I graduated from Medical School, did residencies in General Surgery and Thoracic Surgery and had my board certification in both specialties. I am better able to comment on credentials than either you or the totally incompetent SIDNEY.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"The on-going tactic, for the Duke LaX Player's Lawyers and for their unwitting brain-washed surrogates, in support of the greedy lawsuits being pursued, is to adhere to the old Republican strategy, as inunciated by G.O.P. hitman Roger Stone, "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattacks'"

That, rather, is your tactic and SIDNEY's tactic in your ongoing vendetta against the innocent, falsely accused Caucasian lacrosse players.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

To my last comment I add, your comment of September 27, 2012 4:14 PM is a dodge on your part, an attempt to avoid answering the question, can you document that the members of the Lacrosse team had Chloral Hydrate.

Right on Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You presume guilt on the part of not the Lacrosse players then on the part of some Caucasian men.

The Caucasian racists who lynched innocent black men presumed guilt on the part of those black men.

How does it feel to you that you have something in common with Caucasian racist lynch mob members.

Right on, KENHYDERAL.

Anonymous said...

" Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Dick Brodhead's Honey Boo Boo name Broad Dickhead?

September 27, 2012 6:10 PM"

The honey boo boo name for Brod Dickhead is Beautimous Daisy Duke.

Anonymous said...

The honey boo boo name for Richard Brodhead is Roo Roo Blueberry.

Anonymous said...

Go for it Sid. Tel. Sister to fire woody Hayes. We can't wait!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

Go for it Sid. Tel. Sister to fire woody Hayes. We can't wait!!!!!

September 28, 2012 5:56 AM"

You know, what might make that happen if Woody could be provoked into slugging one of the prosecution attorneys(reference Clemson vs. Ohio State 1978).

Anonymous said...

Anonymous September 27, 2012 5:19 AM.

In view of SIDNEY"s obvious fascination with honey boo boo, shouldn't we refer to Durham's resident homophobe by her honey boo boo name, Victory Poo Poo.

Now isn't that precious.

Anonymous said...

Yep. Victory poo poo is just too special. And so perfect for the queen of wackos.

Anonymous said...

The FACT is that Mangum was drunk by voluntary consumption of booze......by her own admission and by statement of the other dancer. No date rape drug. Ken. Harr is not a pathologist. I question whether the man has any relevant experience since he claims he did not know about HIPPA. Anybody in healthcare knows about it. So he is either lying about being a retired doctor or lying about ignorance of HIPPA.
You can rant all you want. Who gives a rip. Mangum is a liar, a convicted child abuser with a record that includes nine convictions.....and a killer. Whether she killed in self defense is to be determined. But you go right ahead and wail.......

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
KENHYDERAL:

"Calling into question the credentials of Dr.Harr. Dr. Manley Nurse Levicy are perfect examples of my contention. In general, most of those here and elsewhere have no standing to question their professional abilities. On the other hand Dr.Harr as a former Emergeny Medicine specialist does have the qualifications to express opionions on what he considers to be a botched intubation causing morbidity."

No one is calling into question the credentials of Tara Levicy and Dr. Julie Manly. I am pointing out that you , probably deliberately, misrepresented their credentials. Tara Levicy was a SANE in training, not an experienced, credentialed SANE. Dr. Manly was a resident, not an experienced attending.

You also misrepresented what was found from Crystal's examination. Read the reference I have posted twice which refers to the exam. Tara Levicy did not do the exam. Dr. Manly did. Dr. Manly did not find any major injuries. I say again, Tara Levicy's statement of "injuries consistent with rape" is medically and legally meaningless. It was a way for Tara Levicy to say, nothing was found but I believe Crystal was raped.

So far as SIDNEY HARR, the medical records he illegally accessed and posted document that the endotracheal tube was properly placed. That he claims the tube was not properly placed shows only that he is a totally incompetent physician. SIDNEY does not want to comment on his credentials.

I graduated from Medical School, did residencies in General Surgery and Thoracic Surgery and had my board certification in both specialties. I am better able to comment on credentials than either you or the totally incompetent SIDNEY.


You may be better able to comment on credentials than me, but you lack credibility because you won't identify yourself.

Lance the Intern said...

Why does the Anonymous poster need to identify himself in order to gain credibility?

He's a self-identified surgeon. You're a self-identified (retired) ER doctor.

He's willing to comment on his credentials, while you are not.

Who's lacking credibility?

Nifong Supporter said...


Break the Conspiracy said...
guiowen:

I share your frustration at Sid's indecisiveness.

It has been clear for some time that Vann will not provide evidence to Crystal. Sid first alleged Vann was working with prosecutors in an August 9 post, an accusation repeated in 8 additional posts. Crystal cannot obtain justice if her attorney is conspiring against her.

I cannot understand why Sidney has not discussed this with Crystal over 7 weeks. Firing Vann is the obvious answer to a serious conflict.

Asking Nifong to come out of retirement is interesting. He is one person Crystal could trust. However, I would not delay firing Vann. The Bar will drag out proceedings before denying the request. They continue to make an example of Nifong.

Crystal can represent herself. She will control discovery. Sid is confident the photos display the horrific injuries Daye inflicted during her hour of terror. No one will doubt her courage and right to defend herself as she escaped death. The prosecution will have no ability to rebut the photos. Sid is convinced they will be forced to drop charges.

However, this site does not reach a wide enough audience. The Truth will not set Crystal free if not enough people see it.

The problem is not format. YouTube is not the answer. Not enough people are aware this site exists. I suggested press conferences, interviews, demonstrations, teach-ins, etc. to increase awareness.

You made an excellent suggestion: Sid should ask Coleman to sponsor a debate of issues surrounding Crystal's case. In addition to a forum that will attract readers, being invited to Duke as a speaker would allow him some satisfaction after his shameful mistreatment.

Thanks for helping to persuade Sid to act. I wish others would be equally helpful.

September 27, 2012 5:56 PM


Break, again, I appreciate and agree with your comments and suggestions. Just to inform you about Duke University... the last time I was on the campus in April 2010, someone in the Duke administration plotted to arrest me for trespassing. The only thing that saved me was that I ran into Duke Law Professor James Coleman who interceded on my behalf. Since then I have never knowingly set foot on any Duke University property and refuse to do so in the future. I filed a lawsuit against Duke, which the state has refused to hear and which leads me to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Lance the Intern said...

For more information on Sid's "lawsuit" against Duke, you need look no further than here and here.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"You may be better able to comment on credentials than me, but you lack credibility because you won't identify yourself."

I am better able to comment on credentials than a totally incompetent physician. Even if I identified myself, neither you nor KENHYDERAL nor Malek Williams, whoever he might really be, would not believe me.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Break... the last time I was on the campus in April 2010, someone in the Duke administration plotted to arrest me for trespassing."

Wrong. You were directed to stop violating Duke's solicitation policy, you were directed to leave, and you refused to do so. That is why you were threatened with arrest.

"I filed a lawsuit against Duke, which the state has refused to hear and which leads me to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court."

More misrepresentation of facts. You filed a frivolous lawsuit against Duke which was ignominiously(for you) tossed out of court.

If you even get to the Supreme Court your suit will be bounced out again. Most likely, the Court will refuse to hear your suit. Then we will have you ranting and raving about the carpetbagger jihad(which does not exist) has coopted the Supreme Court.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

P.S.

Jedi mind tricks do not exist outside the fictional Star Wars universe.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

An example of how you reason(or, more appropriately, show a lack of ability to reason).

Why do people not believe in the carpetbagger jihad. Because the media have played a jedi mind trick on them.

How do you know that the media played a jedi mind trick on them. Because they do not believe in the carpetbagger jihad.

Anonymous said...

OOPS! Another correction is necessary.

SIDNEY HARR:

"You may be better able to comment on credentials than me, but you lack credibility because you won't identify yourself."

I am better able to comment on credentials than a totally incompetent physician. Even if I identified myself, neither you nor KENHYDERAL nor Malek Williams, whoever he might really be, would ever believe me.

guiowen said...

So, Malek:

Have you done anything about getting all these friends, teachers, etc., to contribute to the bail fund? Are any of them cooperating in any way?

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal:
If my bosom buddy were in jail unjustly, I would make an effort to get her out. If I didn't have enough money for the bail, I would try to get other people to contribute. This would probably mean traveling all the way from Dubai to Durham, but I'm sure you can afford it.
Come to Durham, talk to like-minded people there! Don't hide behind this "Oh, I live too far away"! Do something!
Are you waiting for Sidney's minions to get the word out? Keep on this way, and your innocent mother of three will be out of jail sometime around 2022.

guiowen said...

Sidney said:
" Since then I have never knowingly set foot on any Duke University property and refuse to do so in the future."

Let me explain something, Sidney: as a distinguished member of the faculty, Prof. Coleman can invite you on campus and can organize a conference for you. Go there, speak to the people. Your audience will be mainly undergraduates and faculty members, but you'll also have people from the outside community.
You know how young people are willing to fight for justice: try to get some of those undergraduates on your side. And so long as you don't actually advocate violence, there's no way Broad Dickhead (or whatever his name is) can stop you.

guiowen said...

Sidney, Malek, and Kenhyderal:

If I understand you correctly, there's a huge organized jihad trying to harm an innocent mother of three. Frankly, the way the three of you are going at this, Crystal is pretty well lost.

DO SOMETHING!

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr will not do a damn thing that involves putting up bail money and we all know it. He will just continue to spew his racist hate.
However I will out up a challenge to Harr. If he will donate $100 to TROSA, I will donate $100 to the bail account. So Sidney. Put up or shur up.

Anonymous said...

Malek. Had another name in high school. How convenient an excuse or cover for not being on the roster. You gave up the name your parents gave to you? Wow, that is respectful, Malek. Sure must be a nice fellow. A slave name? Your parents named you a slave name? By the way, just what exactly is a slave name, bro? You can trace your ancestors to Africa or what? Your parents name not good enough for you? Wow, really nice

Break the Conspiracy said...

Malek:

I echo guiowen.

While reasonable readers recognize that Sid genuinely cares for Crystal and is trying to do what is best for her, he is paralyzed with indecision. He is convinced he can free Crystal through repetition of the same arguments on a blog few people read and filing motions a corrupt system ignores.

Sid is unable to act.

I urge you to take charge of the effort to raise Crystal's bail. Kenhyderal is thousands of miles away in Dubai.

Remember Crystal's Pastor. As you noted, he knows that Crystal is a good person and has counseled her in the past. He may open the church for fundraising efforts.

Lance the Intern said...

"Break, again, I appreciate and agree with your comments and suggestions"

Ah. Poe's law.

guiowen said...

Lance the Intern said:
" Ah. Poe's law."

Maybe it's the Poe Paradox?

Anonymous said...

Lance the Intern said: "Ah. Poe's law."

Are you suggesting that Sidney has been writing a parody all these years? I suspected that he was a master satirist at times, but his off-Internet activities convinced me that he was actually sincere.

This site captures perfectly the conspiracy theories and the inability to reason that characterizes Nifong apologists. Sidney is very believeable in that role.

I accepted his membership in the Committee as a cover for his satire, but his Duke lawsuit convinced me that he actually believed this nonsense. The lawsuit itself risked some sanctions as frivolous, but his ad hominem attacks on the court were over the top. I thought he risked a contempt citation for that display.

And you believe this is a parody? If so, Sidney deserves enormous credit. He clearly went all-in in selling the role.

Well done, Sidney!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"You gave up the name your parents gave to you? Wow, that is respectful, Malek. Your parents name not good enough for you? Wow, really nice"


Wow, you certainly are a presumptuous and judgmental little prick.

guiowen said...

Malek,

Were you born a slave? Here I had thought you were American, but maybe you're from Mali? or perhaps the Sudan?
I congratulate you for escaping from slavery, coming to the United States.

guiowen said...

Anonymous 6:02 said:
"Wow, you certainly are a presumptuous and judgmental little prick."

My, my, such language!

Anonymous said...

Bahahahahahaha

Bahahahahahaha

Bahahahahahaha

Anonymous said...


Nifong Supporter said:


"Even so, it is Mangum who will prevail as truth is on her side… and hopefully other current enablers will eventually muster up the courage to do the right thing by moving from the sidelines and take part in this all-important conflict with justice on the line."


Dr. Harr, This is another example of your incredbily powerful writing and why you are an inspiration to all of your readers.

kenhyderal said...

Lance the Intern @ 8:04 9-28-12 asid: Why does the Anonymous poster need to identify himself in order to gain credibility?

He's a self-identified surgeon. You're a self-identified (retired) ER doctor.

He's willing to comment on his credentials, while you are not...............................
Well, we can easily confirm Dr. Harr, Dr. Manley and RN Levicy's qualifications but not those of some cowardly anonymous poster who unprofessionally calls into question the competency of these individuals. Criticizing the competency of another professional, it seems to me, requires that you identify yourself.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @11:55 AM 28-9-12 said: Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr will not do a damn thing that involves putting up bail money and we all know it. He will just continue to spew his racist hate.
However I will out up a challenge to Harr. If he will donate $100 to TROSA, I will donate $100 to the bail account. So Sidney. Put up or shur up."....................... Although $100.00 wont go far against a $200,000.00 baill, if you will extend that challenge to include me I will take you up on it. I'll send my $100.00 US to TROSA and once I confirm to you I have done so you can send your $100.00 to Lawyer Mark Simeon in Trust towards Crystal's bail

Anonymous said...

The challenge was to Harr......the supposed ring leader of the wingnut club. It stands as such
Malek did you convert to Islam? Slave name? Given to you by your parents? Must have made them feel ashamed of themselves for giving you a slave name . Whatever your name is, your opinions about Mangum are yours to have.......worth no more no less than others, She might be a saint in attitude but her behavior since 2002 has yielded a very unsaintly result.

Anonymous said...

Incredibly powerful writing? :). Grammar and sentence structure ............whew. Where did you learn to write? Same place as no conscious cline?

Anonymous said...

Cowardly anonymous poster? Talk about judgmental. The fact that someone posts anon has nothing to do with credibility. Nor does the fact that you, Kenny, claim an identity have anything to do with the lack of credibility in your posts.

Anonymous said...

I agree with lance........thought this was a huge joke till Sidney caused Shella to quit. Then I checked and found out another water walked two years ago because of the interference of Harr and mangum's listening to their nonsense . It really is sad.

Anonymous said...

No we can't confirm harr's credentials. The SANE was completely discredited in the nifong hearing......and Manly never was an expert ob gyn as you falsely claimed Kenny . Harr is not a pathologist and is not a surgeon. How many autopsies has he done? Zip.
I have friends who are surgeons and they ALL Agreebtht harr's conclusions are completely bogus.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Well, we can easily confirm Dr. Harr, Dr. Manley and RN Levicy's qualifications but not those of some cowardly anonymous poster who unprofessionally calls into question the competency of these individuals. Criticizing the competency of another professional, it seems to me, requires that you identify yourself."

You were unable to confirm the credentials of either Dr. Manly or Tara Levicy. You misrepresented Tara as an experienced SANE when she was a SANE in training. You misrepresented Dr. Manly first as an experienced gynecologist then as an experience ER doctor when she was a resident.

You also misrepresented who did the physical exam on Crystal and misrepresented the findings.

Right on, Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Although $100.00 wont go far against a $200,000.00 baill, if you will extend that challenge to include me I will take you up on it. I'll send my $100.00 US to TROSA and once I confirm to you I have done so you can send your $100.00 to Lawyer Mark Simeon in Trust towards Crystal's bail"

Why don't you just do it unconditionally?

Right on, Malek Williams.

R

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Well, we can easily confirm Dr. Harr['s]... qualifications...".

Indeed we can, through his postings on J4N.

SIDNEY'a postings show he is a totally incompetent physician.

Right on, Malek Williams.

Anonymous said...

Anyone seen the latest Kate Middleton pics?

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

Anyone seen the latest Kate Middleton pics?

September 29, 2012 5:17 AM"

SIDNEY HARR is probably too busy watching Honey Boo Boo.

Glass houses, SIDNEY

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Let's get back to the issue of anonymity and credibility.

Kilgo told you that some anonymous member of the Lacrosse team told him that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

You do not even know if this Lacrosse player even exists. But you consider his testimony, rendered as hearsay, is credible.

Can we say hypocrite, Boys and Girls?

Anonymous said...

Hey guoiwen, you heard anything about a party tonight at the lax house?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:
KENHYDERAL:

Check out this video, if you dare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c7Tw6KS7rk

It shows the media coverage early on in the case, all of which was anti Lacrosse player. There is also a clip from AG Cooper's press conference. AG Cooper said, "We believe these men are innocent". That is not a proclamation, regardless of what the media say. It is an expression of his belief, said expression is something you would suppress.

This video establishes the credential of both of you as liars, although not very good ones.

guiowen said...

Anonymous said...

"Hey guoiwen, you heard anything about a party tonight at the lax house?"

No, I hadn't, but now that you mention it, it might be a good idea for Sidney or one of his friends to speak there. Can you arrange for this? Maybe you could speak there, yourself? That would really help Crystal.

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing it's BYOS.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @8:46 AM said" Kilgo told you that some anonymous member of the Lacrosse team told him that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006" ..............Yes and what Kilgo said was, told to him, by a LaX Player, who is a friend of his and was present at the party and who gave his DNA, that non-player attendees, unknown to the Police and untested where involved in the sexual assult on Crystal with some team members also complicent. Kilgo's information, came from a first hand witness and not from the orhestrated spin, designed to bolster the trial lawyers civil suits. This propaganda is what most posters here depend on.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal:
So why doesn't Kilgo go to the city's lawyers, and the University's lawyers, with this story?
Don't tell me that the Jihad is threatening him! How evil of them!

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Yes and what Kilgo said was, told to him, by a LaX Player, who is a friend of his and was present at the party and who gave his DNA, that non-player attendees, unknown to the Police and untested where involved in the sexual assult on Crystal with some team members also complicent. Kilgo's information, came from a first hand witness and not from the orhestrated spin, designed to bolster the trial lawyers civil suits. This propaganda is what most posters here depend on. "

Your information about Kilgo's information came from someone who has demonstrated he knows nothing about what happened at the Lacrosse house on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Kilgo lied to you.

guiowen said...

Anonymous said...

"I'm guessing it's BYOS"

Now that's a problem because Sidney is really very poor and probably can't afford to bring his own s***.
But maybe anonymous 8:47 could supply it?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Kilgo's information, came from a first hand witness and not from the orhestrated spin, designed to bolster the trial lawyers civil suits. This propaganda is what most posters here depend on."

If you were capable of recognizing the truth, you would realize there was no organized spin to bolster any lawsuits. If you believe in such organized spin, you are saying the Lacrosse defendants deliberately allowed themselves to be prosecuted in order to later file lawsuits against Duke and against Durham.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Not even the craziest, most devoted conspiracy theorists in the world would find your hypotheses on the lacrosse case believable. So why do you expect sane, rational people who are capable of recognizing the truth to believe you?

Especially considering the way you mis represented the facts of Crystal's examination at the DUMC ER.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @3:59 said: "The challenge was to Harr......the supposed ring leader of the wingnut club. It stands as such"................. Your hundred dollars is probably safe because Dr.Harr, standing on principle, believes the charges have no merit and should be immediately dropped. On the other hand you know I would be more pragmatic and you would have to post the money therefore you wont extend the challenge to me. As we say in Canada. Chicken,eh.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Kilgo's information, came from a first hand witness".

Since Kilgo does not know any first hand witness to what happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006, he could not have any first hand information about the party.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:34 said " Kilgo lied to you".......... And his motive was?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Your start point is the presumption of guilt on the part of some Caucasian men. Your litmus test as to whether or not information is reliable is whether or not it is consistent with your preconceived ideas about the case.

Consequently you call credible Kilgo's information from some Lacrosse player, the existence of whom neither he, whoever he may be, nor you, whom we know to be a misrepresenter of facts, can establish as fact.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"And his motive was"?

If you followed Kilgo on this blog, you would know that his modus operandi was to claim that he knew more about the Lacrosse case than any other person in existent. When challenged to back up his claims of what he knew, Kilgo always backed down, revealing, albeit involuntarily, he knew nothing about the case.

His motive all along was to convince people he knew about the Lacrosse case. Unlike sane, rational people, you choose to believe him.

Not surprising for someone who distorts facts in order to believe his presumption of guilt on the part of innocent, Caucasian men.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"On the other hand you know I would be more pragmatic and you would have to post the money therefore you wont extend the challenge to me. As we say in Canada. Chicken,eh."

As a lot of people in the USS would say, you are unwilling to put your money where your mouth is.

Anonymous said...

Bring your own stripper

guiowen said...

Anonymous said...

"Bring your own stripper"

Now I'm certain Sidney can't do this. Do you think you might persuade one of Crystal's colleagues to go there and help Sidney convince the fellows about Crystal's innocence? I assure you Sidney, Kenhyderal and Malek, and above all CGM, would really be very grateful to you.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 9:44 9-29-12 said: "Check out this video, if you dare"............My heart aches for the poor oppressed, downtrodden white male universiy athlete. Blacks, Feminists and Liberal Academics wielding their unlimited power and privilege, in a Society they control, have made their lives a living hell of suffering and degradation. Oh, when will it end? Thanks to iconic freedom fighters like K.C Johnson their is hope.

guiowen said...

Oh, Ken,
What a good heart you have!

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"My heart aches for the poor oppressed, downtrodden white male universiy athlete. Blacks, Feminists and Liberal Academics wielding their unlimited power and privilege, in a Society they control, have made their lives a living hell of suffering and degradation. Oh, when will it end? Thanks to iconic freedom fighters like K.C Johnson their is hope."

Rather, you recoil from documentation, the way a vampire recoils from a cross, that you have distorted the facts and misrepresented lies as truth, all in the interest of maintaining your presumption of guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian males.

Getting back to credibility, how have you established the credibility of Kilgo?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Your hatred of My heart aches for "white male universiy(sic) athlete[s]" is obvious. It is something akin to the hatred racist Caucasian lynch mobs showed for innocent black men. Aren't you proud of yourself.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Since when is presumption of guilt, without any evidence of guilt, a crusade for justice?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Correction:


Your hatred for "white male universiy(sic) athlete[s]" is obvious. It is something akin to the hatred racist Caucasian lynch mobs showed for innocent black men. Aren't you proud of yourself.

Right on, Malek Williams

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Also, your inability to respond rationally to the issues raised is manifest.

Right on KENHYDERAL(or whoever).

Anonymous said...

Hilarious stuff ............I will happily put up the $100 tp TROSA as stated........if Sidney opens his purse for Mangum. Kenny is an irrevelant troll. This is harr's challenge. Put up or shut up, as we say here.........

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

If anything, the video I referenced should have given you cause to question Kilgo's credibility. It is documentation that he media reaction immediately after the allegations broke was viciously anti Lacrosse team. The media, at the time, did not know who the accuser was.

You believe that in the face of such opprobrium and hatred, a member of he Lacrosse team, who knew who the perpetrators were, who knew they were not members of the Lacrosse team, would not go to the police with such information but would go to Kilgo.

Right on, KEN-Malek-DER-Williams-AL

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

With reference to my last comment, that would apply only if there had been a rape in the first place. Forensic evidence definitively showed no rape had occurred. You reject the forensic evidence because it does not buy into your presumption of guilt on the part of some Caucasian men.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Here is a true example of a fighter for justice.

Reade Seligman, one of the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players, someone whom you sneeringly label a "poor oppressed, downtrodden white male universiy athlete" is in law school and is working on the Innocence Project. Unlike you, he is working on behalf of true victims of injustice.

Why do you have such hostile feelings towards an innocent man who is working to free the truly innocent? That you resent someone like Reade Seligman so much shows you have real self esteem problems when compared to a true fighter for justice.

Anonymous said...

Where's Sidney? Is he upset that his parody has been discovered?

Anonymous said...


kenhyderal said...
"My heart aches for the poor oppressed, downtrodden white male universiy athlete. Blacks, Feminists and Liberal Academics wielding their unlimited power and privilege, in a Society they control, have made their lives a living hell of suffering and degradation. Oh, when will it end? Thanks to iconic freedom fighters like K.C Johnson their is hope."



Ken-ninny-hyderal: Great post little man.

guiowen said...

Anonymous 11:21,
You don't understand. Reade Seligman, as a white male athlete, is enjoying the fruit of all that white males have stolen from the poor downtrodden members of other races. Nothing that he does can ever make up for this exploitation.

On the other hand, Kenhyderal, coming from Canada, where there has never been any discrimination (well, except for the fact that until the 1980's, Native Americans were sent to special schools where the females were neutered)is above reproach. He is (somehow, don't ask me how) helping his bosom buddy, an innocent mother of three, to escape an incredible conspiracy. You cannot ask him to do any more.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 11:21 said: "Here is a true example of a fighter for justice"............... Mr. Seligmann may have been wrongly identified, by an improperly conducted photo line-up, as one of the perpetrators of a sexual assult on Crystal and then wrongly accused of that crime but he was never wrongly convicted. I'm glad to hear of his involvement in the Innocent Project. If he is truly innocent of the crimes committed against Crystal and he has been so declared by AG Cooper, then he should also be interested in the case of Crystal who, without the means he had, has been wrongly accused of capital murder and is being held interminably without trial and with a bail she would be unable to post. I suspect, though, he is witholding information about what happened to Crystal as it would torpedo his civil actions

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
There's something I don't understand. Back in 2010 you stated that "I have never claimed to be acting on Crystal's behalf. I'm just a person who sees a gross miscarriage of justice and have chosen to speak out against it."

So at that point you didn't really know much about the case, or about CGM. Since then, however, she's become your bosom buddy. How did this happen?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"If he is truly innocent of the crimes committed against Crystal and he has been so declared by AG Cooper, then he should also be interested in the case of Crystal".

There is no if about it. Forensic evidence(which you question because it does not mesh with your presumption of guilt on the part of some innocent Caucasian male) definitively ruled out that Crystal was raped. Reade Seligman was innocent as a matter of fact, not opinion, because there was no crime committed in the first place.

Your response also strikes me as hypocritical considering you earlier, sneeringlyh described him as a "poor oppressed, downtrodden white male universiy(sic) athlete".

You still manifest your discomfort about confrontation with evidence which shows you are a distorter of facts.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

The next thing you or SIDNEY might propose is that Reade Seligman work on exonerating DA NIFONG, the corrupt DA who tried to wrongfully convict him of a non existent crime.

That is the difference between the phony Duke Rape case and the Reginald Daye stabbing case. In the Duke Rape case there was never any evidence a crime had happened. In the Reginald Daye case, there was a corpse with a stab wound.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I suspect, though, he(Reade Seligman) is witholding information about what happened to Crystal as it would torpedo his civil actions".

You suspect wrong because you believe Kilgo's non credible story. You believe that story because it does mesh with your presumption of guilt on the part of innocent Caucasian(an innocuous term except to a blatant, unrepentant racist) men.

You have dodged the question. If there had been a rape at 610 Buchanan on the night of 13/14 March 2006, if a Lacrosse team member had witnessed the rape and could identify the perpetrators as non Lacrosse players, why would he not tell the police but would tell Kilgo?

Remember, contrary to the spin you have tried to put on the case, all the media coverage after the case broke was viciously anti Lacrosse player.

You can't answer the question, can you?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

If Reade Seligman did have information about what "really(your word)" happened to Crystal, if it could exonerate him, why would he have withheld it from the police.

Deny it if you will, but what you are proposing is that Reade Seligman, and the other two innocent, falsely accused Caucasian Duke Lacrosse players deliberately submitted to a wrongful prosecution because they wanted an opportunity to file a big lawsuit against Duke and against Durham.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I suspect, though, he is witholding information about what happened to Crystal as it would torpedo his civil actions".

You again show your intense dislike for successful Caucasian men.

You must have rather intense feelings of inferiority and low self esteem and envy in the presence of Caucasian men. That is the usual reason why someone reacts as rabidly as you do.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You must really envy the innocent, falsely accused Caucasian Duke Lacrosse players, not only because they are Caucasians but also because they are native born citizens of the United States.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen @3:23 9-30-12 said: "On the other hand, Kenhyderal, coming from Canada, where there has never been any discrimination (well, except for the fact that until the 1980's, Native Americans were sent to special schools where the females were neutered)is above reproach" Guiowen, I'm not sure what you are referring to here but do you really want to get into a debate about which nation Canada or The US has the best record of civil rights both historically and at present. That's a debate you cant possibly win.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen @ 4:12 PM 9-30-12 said: "So at that point you didn't really know much about the case, or about CGM.......... Wrong I first learned about the case from Crystal in 2006. Crystal and I are long time friends.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:32 9-30-12 said: "there was a corpse with a stab wound" ............ Absolutely wrong.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:38 9-30-12 said: all the media coverage after the case broke was viciously anti Lacrosse player" Appropriately so. Then the defense effort to discredit Crystal and beatify the Players went into high gear.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 15:45 pm 9-30-12 said:..................59 ne "You must have rather intense feelings of inferiority and low self esteem and envy in the presence of Caucasian men. That is the usual reason why someone reacts as rabidly as you do" Oh please spare us your amature psychiatrist act.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Shall I remind you of the debate we had in 2010, when you finally decided you didn't want to debate any more?

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,

So you never claimed to be acting on Crystal's behalf?

The main question is, were you lying when you said that in 2010, or are you lying now?

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Talking about Canada, do you remember this story?

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/theeditorialpage/story.html?id=422ae2ae-2482-4e6b-a34b-a301ce4a3c95

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