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Word count: 730It has been said that people tend to believe what is true that which they want to be true. This is the case with many of the commenters to this blog site… the Nifong/Mangum detractors and ill-willers, and the Carpetbagger Jihadist agenda sympathizers and colluders. The outrageous motion filed on October 29, 2012 in the U.S. District Courthouse in Greensboro, NC, which undoubtedly was meant as a mischievous fraternity-style prank has been overwhelmingly embraced as being an authentic and true Mangum-authored legal motion by those aforementioned detractors.
A cursory glance by anyone even remotely familiar with the Duke Lacrosse case of 2006 and its aftermath would easily conclude that the claims were not even intended to be taken seriously… yet, it was stamped and entered into the Durham civil case files as though it was legitimate. Those perpetrating this hoax did so in order to ridicule and disparage Mangum, and possibly to poke fun at her for her decision to take control of her destiny and legally represent herself.
Those responsible for the fraudulent filing of the motion in a Federal Court, however, do not realize the seriousness of their actions in using the U.S. Postal Service to mail the document which contains at least two forgeries. This does not represent a harmless joke, but it is a federal crime with dire consequences to those who authored and sent the legal motion. We’re talking F.B.I. serious.
The filed Motion to Intervene, which was fraudulently designed to make it appear as though Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser Crystal Mangum wrote it, mocked the state and the North Carolina justice system. The author(s) of the document had the audacity to file such an outrageous satirical Mangum-centered piece because the state and the media has laid the groundwork for such sophomoric behavior because of its slanted and singular rulings in the Duke Lacrosse case and the criminal cases against Mangum. The prejudicial reporting on those cases by the biased mainstream media has abetted in creating a circus legal atmosphere in which it is fair game to take pock shots at former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong and Ms. Mangum with impunity.
Considering the current case against Mangum for example, what is one to think when a medical examiner provides a fraudulent autopsy report for the purpose of charging Mangum with a crime while covering up medical malpractice on the part of Duke University Hospital staff… and when a trumped up larceny of chose in action charge is used to ratchet up the murder to first degree through use of the devious “felony-murder rule”? Along with the unjust disbarment of Mike Nifong and legal persecution of Mike Nifong, it is no wonder that the North Carolina justice system has become the laughing stock of the nation.
Although this filing was meant as malicious entertainment and was not taken serious by those well acquainted with Mangum, Nifong, the Duke Lacrosse case, and cases related to them, evidently one of Reade Seligmann’s attorneys is trying very hard to believe the motion is legit. Giving credence to the document as coming from the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser, attorney Richard Emery suggested that Mangum is “as delusional now as she has been from the outset of this case.” This statement by Mr. Emery is itself a rush to judge the document’s veracity, and in an unprofessional and malicious way uses it to viciously malign Mangum with accusations that are not supported by fact.
Although the article that appeared in The Herald-Sun did contained an error of fact in stating that the three Duke Lacrosse defendants were exonerated, it deserves kudos for publishing the article to let the public know how low those in the anti-Nifong/Mangum camp will stoop to malign them. Even though the article did not contain a quote or comment from Mangum denying any role in that filing, Ray Gronberg has assured me that a follow-up article will give her side of this bizarre occurrence… date of publication around November 2-3, 2012.
It is rare that the mainstream media will expose the hateful and evil transgressions against Nifong and Mangum, and my hat goes off to The Herald-Sun for its news article in unveiling the false and malevolent document, which might have otherwise gone unchallenged throughout the Duke case as being a truthful part of the legal dialogue.
LINK: www.justice4nifong.com/legal/cgm/blink/blink110112.htm
530 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 530 of 530The photos prove nothing except that the door was damaged, by something, at some point. Period. Otherwise, nothing else. Daye admitted to busting down the door in police interviews, did he? hmmmmm.....love how sidney conveniently comes up with statements like this.
once again, the point with these photos is that they do NOT prove Mangum's claim of self defense. She can try to build an argument that that the two of them were fighting, verbally and physically. she can try to say that Daye was the aggressor. WHO has the documented convicted history of violence against persons and property, sidney? WHO?
You told your readers that Mangum said the photos were not available to her until she was released from jail. NOW, you say you got the photos from the Detention Center. another lie, sidney?
The truth, as you say, will come out.....at trial....NOT on this silly flub of a web site
Anonymous said...
Walt, seen these photos? What do you think? Admissible?
Yeah, Walt, please weigh in on the photos. Although you are misguided, you represent the voice of reason amongst the Naysayers and ill-willers.
The construction worker comment has validity.....suggest you not try to diminish it by making it conspiratorial. sad little man that you are.....
as to Cioran quote....."By all evidence, we are in the world to do nothing:....Mangum's credo..
Another Mangum and Harr "words to live by" quote, so perfect for them.
"Good people do not need laws to tell them how to act responsibly; while bad people will always find a way around the laws".....Plato.
Sid -- Here's another Emile Cioran quote for you:
"there is no present-day politician that I see as more sympathetic and admirable than Hitler"
Nice choice. See what happens when you google quotes without actually knowing anything about the source?
Hilarious that Harr, the guy who obnoxiously references jesus, and Kenny, the holier than thou boy, would use Cioran quotes.....given Cioran's beliefs. LOLOL.
On the other hand, I guess Harr (who admires Farrakhan, the anti-semetic bowtie wearing wingnut), would naturally have an affinity for, and admire, the same types as did Cioran.
Well, when you're googling "skepticism quotes", and picking quotes at random from the first site that pops up, it's not surprising that this is the end result.
"Drawing on my fine command of the English language, I said nothing"...Robert Benchley....
Too bad old Kenny doesn't follow Benchley's advice more often...
Uh oh, Sidney,
You and Kenny really stepped in it, big-time. If I were you I'd point out that Mussolini made the trains run on time, and that Hitler had that great system of Autobahnen built.
....seems I recall some quote about "keeping silence or opening your mouth and removing all doubt"?????? something to do with being a fool??????
of course, it all makes sense.....socialists do love government run mass transit, don't they!!!
@ Lance and the various Anonymous posters that weighed in: Eentually Cioran expressed shame & emorse for his mis-guided defence of Hitler and of facism. His repentence was widly accepted by British and European intelectuals and he is still considered one of the major thinkers and philosophers of the twentieth centurty. I hope his admission of error will serve as an example for us all. Nevertheless,even if he had not re-canted his observation about skeptics was astute.
More continuing hilarity from Kenny. Please do your best to learn something besides what you google. Poor man, your ability to think would be paralyzed if you could not hit the little "g" key.
Incorrect, Kenny. Cioran was fascinated with totalitarian and fascist ideology...He expressed deep admiration for not only Hitler but also Lenin, and even went so far as to compare them favorably to jesus. In his advanced years he mellowed his criticism of "those jews", but recant? No. Ironically, he is known for his skepticism, depressive thinking, and the philosophy of despair. A brillant thinker of his time...but, not somebody I would expect you and Harr to quote....given your tendency to engage in christian ranting.
@ Anonymous @ 9:39: I guess you're firmly rooted in the Gutenberg age.
Kenhyderal,
Let me correct my recent post: it should really be
"A happy soul believes anything his bosom buddy tells him, no matter how ridiculous, thus showing how superior he is to skeptics."
So, Kenhyderal,
Any luck getting your family to approve your visit to North Carolina?
SIDNEY HARR:
"Anonymi, ill-willers, and disbelievers,
Answer me this: If I did not get the photos of the damaged door from prosecution discovery, where did I get them?"
Why don't you tell us. There is nothing to document they are photos taken by police, except your word, and that is less than a counterfeit pre Euro Italian Lira.
SIDNEY HARR:
"
First, I picked up the prosecution from the Durham Detention Center where Mangum requested that I have them.
Second, the photos may not have time stamps on them, but the file names of each photo contain the date and time the photo was taken, along with the type of camera. So there is a way to tell precisely when the photos were taken.
Thirdly, I have not lied, and therefore am not admitting that I lied, for if I did I would be lying."
Putting date and time information on the back of the photos by writing does not document they were taken at the noted time and on the noted date. It is easy for someone(like yourself) to write date and time data after the event in order to make your case.
Your protestations to the contrary, you are a blatant, unrepentant liar.
KENHYDERAL:
"@ Lance and the various Anonymous posters that weighed in: Eentually Cioran expressed shame & emorse for his mis-guided defence of Hitler and of facism. His repentence was widly accepted by British and European intelectuals and he is still considered one of the major thinkers and philosophers of the twentieth centurty. I hope his admission of error will serve as an example for us all. Nevertheless,even if he had not re-canted his observation about skeptics was astute."
The question remains, why are you and SIDNEY so skeptical about the overwhelming factual evidence that shows Crystal was not raped?
SIDNEY HARR:
"
Intern and disbeliever,
Hold on to your derby. Further photos will be presented, including identifying markers, etc. However, like I stated, the date and time are titled in the file of each photo, so a time stamp would only be redundant. Time stamps on photos, is probably a thing of the past with digital photographs in use."
Most digital cameras automatically put date and time stamps on photos. Further, the overwhelming majority of people who make photographs use digital cameras, including people who make photographs for evidentiary purposes for law enforcement agencies.
Go to your local camera store and check on the availability of film and film cameras if you do not believe me.
If the pictures you have are on film, that is strong circumstantial evidence they are not from a law enforcement agency.
KENHYDERAL:
Regarding you statements on Emile Cioran:
I mentioned a story Michael Gaynor cited from Newsweek that the Lacrosse players subjected to the NTO could have fought the NTO. You seem to think that because I saw the story on Michael Gaynor's site, that invalidates it.
But we are not allowed to question something you quote from someone who was an ardent Nazi apologist.
HYPOCRITE!!!!!
KENHYDERAL:
For that matter, Adolph Hitler was one of the more effective thinkers and philosophers in the 20th Century, considering what he cause.
Like Adolph Hitler, although on not so grand a scale, you and SIDNEY are trying to perpetrate evil.
Right on, KENHYDERAL
@ Anonymous 9:51 ....... Here's a paper that discusses this subject. http://www.ipedr.com/vol42/019-ICKCS2012-K10009.pdf
KENHYDERAL:
Let's bring this up again.
What does Emile Cioran's quote say about you and SIDNEY, who are so skeptical of the overwhelming factual evidence that Crystal was not raped?
Anonymous @ 10:23 said: For that matter, Adolph Hitler was one of the more effective thinkers and philosophers in the 20th Century, considering what he cause.
Huh!!!!!. And I'm under attack for quoting Cioran on skepticism
KENHYDERAL:
What is factual about the Duke phony rape case:
1) Crystal's allegation was not credible in the first place - she told multiple, mutually contradictory stories of what happened to her.
2) Crystal described a brutal penetrating semen depositing rape. Forensic examination showed definitively that the rape Crystal had described could not happened - no evidence of semen, blood, semen on the rape kit items. Testing by DNA Security confirmed the absence of semen.
3) The only male DNA found on Crystal(DNA from multiple males found on multiple areas of her person) did not match the DNA of anyone who had been at the Lacrosse party - you can not show any evidence that there were unidentified party attendees.
4) Even though the lineup procedure in which she identified Lacrosse players as her assailants was improperly stacked against the Lacrosse team and in her favor, Crystal could not reliably identify any of the Lacrosse players as her assailants.
KENHYDERAL:
"
Anonymous @ 10:23 said: For that matter, Adolph Hitler was one of the more effective thinkers and philosophers in the 20th Century, considering what he cause.
Huh!!!!!. And I'm under attack for quoting Cioran on skepticism"
Another attempt on your part to dodge a relevant issue.
What does Emile Cioran's quote on skepticism say about your and SIDNEY's skepticism about the overwhelming factual evidence that no one raped Crystal?
Do not forget you questioned my use of a quote from Matthew to chastise SIDNEY which you yourself used to chastise an anti SIDNEY poster.
HYPOCRITE!!!!
KENHYDERAL:
"@ Anonymous 9:51 ....... Here's a paper that discusses this subject. http://www.ipedr.com/vol42/019-ICKCS2012-K10009.pdf"
Here is a quote from said paper:
"Cioran was exonerated
because he changed of country and the collective memory was no longer acting in his case. Once arrived in
France, he began to apologize himself to the West for the sins committed in his youth."
What have you and SIDNEY done to apologize for the extremist guilt presuming views you hold regarding innocent Caucasian men?
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 10:23 said: For that matter, Adolph Hitler was one of the more effective thinkers and philosophers in the 20th Century, considering what he cause.
Huh!!!!!. And I'm under attack for quoting Cioran on skepticism".
Innocent Caucasian men are under attack because you and SIDNEY are skeptical about the overwhelming factual evidence of their innocence. How would Emile Cioran's quote on skepticism apply to that?
Instead of discussing what an s.o.b. Cioran was, why can't you people analyze the famous quotation?
1. What has skepticism to do with sadism? Are you sexually cruel because you don't believe everything someone tells you?
2. Scientific advances are, very frequently, based on skepticism. For example, people used to think the earth was flat. Some skeptics (say Anaxagoras) questioned that and were actually able to get a good estimate of the radius of the earth. Later, people used to think the sun revolved around the earth. Some skeptics (say Copernicus) doubted that and gave us a much better idea of the universe. Later, people used to think time was absolute. Some skeptics (say Einstein) doubted this and developed a much better theory.
But I guess that according to Ciore and Kenhyderal, Anaxagoras, Copernicus and Einstein were just a bunch of sadists.
SIDNEY HARR:
Care to comment about your presumption that you speak for Jesus Christ upon the cross?
SIDNEY HARR:
I rate your presuming you speak for Jesus Christ upon the cross worse than KENHYDERAL's making a statement that implies I am a wife beater, because I do not buy into his blatant, unreasonable guilt presuming racism.
So far, the photos presented PROVE nothing. There is nothing established to show
that these photos were from daye's apartment
that they were taken by LE
that they were taken immediately after the attack/killing occured
that daye was the person who damaged the door
that if daye did the damage, that he did the damage that night
that the damage had anything to do with mangum killing him
and so on, and so on.
bottom line, these photos are worthless.....until there FAR MORE substantiation of their validity, relationship to what happened, and worth as evidence. As is, no way they would be admissible. I have seen crime scene photos (not the CSI version) taken the last six months and every single one of them is time stamped on its face, with full ID of who,when,where,angle, etc, also shown.
try again, sidney.....so far, big fat zip
guiowen, old joke....
what did the masochist say to the sadist? Hurt me, please!
What did the sadist say to the masochist? No.
My favorite quote (at least this week) is "Come over to the dark side and be gay.....we have cookies"!
and it's about as relevant as all this ranting from Kenny and Sidney
What do you think of the photos?
wow, sidney, two photos , sound and fury, signifying nothing.....
What do you expect? Do you honestly think that a judge would simply turn Mangum loose because she says it was self defense? If so, you are an idiot. There has to be proof and so far....there isn't ANY. In fact, her record of convictions that include an element of violence weighs against her. Because a door was busted is not proof that she was defending herself. Don't be silly. For Mangum to get out of going to prison for a long time, she is going to have to have hard evidence, sidney.
fyi, I could not find any documentation of your assertion that Daye said he kicked in the door in a statement to police. You are going to need to provide such documentation.
Mangum, as her own counsel, is going to have to show that Daye was the aggressor and that she was fighting for her life. There are STILL no photos AT ALL that show any injuries to her......thus, her claim of this wild drunken beating is just that....a claim....and nothing more. Just as was her claim that she was beaten by Daye in March and treated for injuries in a clinic.
How many charges does reginald daye have that involve an element of violence?
ONE charge, which was DROPPED.
How many charges does Mangum have that involve and element of violence? EIGHT.
And we are supposed to believe that Daye was a wild drunken out-of-his-mind woman abusing hair pulling, spitting, face punching, choking, knife throwing nutcase.....while Mangum, the innocent mother of three, was Ms Manners, just trying to, ply her trade.
Please.....
Anonymous Anonymous said...
" guiowen, .
What do you think of the photos?"
I guess that somewhere, sometime, somebody broke a door jamb. Somebody put a dent on the door.
So, Kenhyderal,
Any luck getting your mother to return your passport so you can visit NC?
Anonymous @ 12:18 said: "worse than KENHYDERAL's making a statement that implies I am a wife beater, because I do not buy into his blatant, unreasonable guilt presuming racism"..... I cant believe that you still don't get it. I, in no way, implied such a thing. Poster "KHF Supporter" patiently explained to you that this is a standard and historical reponse to being asked a loaded question.
KENHYDERAL:
"I cant believe that you still don't get it. I, in no way, implied such a thing. Poster "KHF Supporter" patiently explained to you that this is a standard and historical reponse to being asked a loaded question."
I knew that comment would bother you(rotflol).
So far as getting it, whuy can't you get it that Crystal was not raped?
Correction of typo:
KENHYDERAL:
"I cant believe that you still don't get it. I, in no way, implied such a thing. Poster "KHF Supporter" patiently explained to you that this is a standard and historical reponse to being asked a loaded question."
I knew that comment would bother you(rotflol).
So far as getting it, why can't you get it that Crystal was not raped?
Poster Guiowen now joins the ranks of famous skeptics like Anaxagora, Copernicus and Einstein with his skepticism about whether Daye really kicked open his bathroom door to get at Crystal. Obviously a thinker like Cioran was talking about those petty and miserable skeptics that have to question everything and nothing is as it seems.
Dr.Anonymous said: "rotflol" ....... Swift comeback. In view of the recent discussions, here, pardon me if I'm skeptical that you were only playing a joke on me especially since initially you seemed to have such a hard time getting it. Only after KHF Supporter also weighed in did you seem to drop your complaint. When you resurrected it here now I understandably thought you still didn't comprehend.
kenhyderal said...
"Obviously a thinker like Cioran was talking about those petty and miserable skeptics that have to question everything and nothing is as it seems."
Are you sure? Most likely he'd written something he thought was terrific. When people didn't believe him, he felt sexually assaulted. Hence his very bitter comment.
B.T.W. What was the definition of a "Troll" again. If you were joking to get me upset is that not "trolling"
Guiowen said: "When people didn't believe him, he felt sexually assaulted. Hence his very bitter comment"...... I hope you are not joining the host of amature psychiatrists that seem to want to make diagnosis of mental illness here. Despite sadism being named for a famous sexual sadist not all sadistic behaviour is sexual in origin
Well well dr Kenny is in the house......the famous psychiatrist and deep thinker, dr troll!!!
The troll is playing doctor again. cute.
guiowen, exactly......your comment about the photos...perfect. Yup, that's a door and it has a hole in it. Yup. got it. check.
let's hope that tomorrow Mangum gets a trial date. she has a bit of work to do.....what with preparing her defense. I think starting out with Law for Dummies might be a good choice. Maybe Hooked On Phonics, too
Anonymous @ 4:11 said "The troll is playing doctor again. cute" ..... Huh???. I'm playing Dr.??? When did I ever express a medical opinion. Talk about projection.
Kenhyderal said,
"... not all sadistic behaviour is sexual in origin."
You're right, people just enjoyed contradicting him and watching him squirm. Sexually, he was quite unattractive. Of course he was unhappy about it.
Kenny troll, the problem here is that you just don't get it......your friend is not what you think she is. She has major issues and now she is facing a murder charge. All your posturing and proclaiming her innocence (like Harr) is not worth a plug nickel when she goes to court. And god help her, she stupidly fired her lawyer and now believes she can defend herself . She is going to risk going to prison for a long time. You need to talk some sense into this woman before it is too late. She needs a competent lawyer, not a lunatic, at her side. If you really care about Mangum, get off your backside and DO something concrete to help her get counsel. And stop wasting time running your mouth.
KENHYDERAL:
"Obviously a thinker like Cioran was talking about those petty and miserable skeptics that have to question everything and nothing is as it seems."
Like you and the skepticism you show about the overwhelming factual evidence which shows Crystal lied about being raped.
KENHYDERAL:
"Dr.Anonymous said: "rotflol" ....... Swift comeback. In view of the recent discussions, here, pardon me if I'm skeptical that you were only playing a joke on me especially since initially you seemed to have such a hard time getting it. Only after KHF Supporter also weighed in did you seem to drop your complaint. When you resurrected it here now I understandably thought you still didn't comprehend."
Still rotf and lol. I never read what KHF posted before posting the comment which has you so p---ed off.
Of course you are skeptical about that. But then, you are skeptical about the overwhelming factual evidence that Crystal lied to you whenever it was that she told you she had been raped.
KENHYDERAL:
"I hope you are not joining the host of amature(sic) psychiatrists that seem to want to make diagnosis of mental illness here. Despite sadism being named for a famous sexual sadist not all sadistic behaviour is sexual in origin".
You talk about not getting it.
Amature: "A word used by those of a lesser intelligence to berate those of higher intelligence. Example: 'That would be so amature'. What it really means is 'You're better than I am, I suck at life. Please God, put me out of my misery.'"
From the Urban dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=amature
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 4:11 said "The troll is playing doctor again. cute" ..... Huh???. I'm playing Dr.??? When did I ever express a medical opinion."
When you tried to explain how the rape kit negative for semen was not significant. When you tried to claim the physical exam of Crystal showed injuries consistent with rape.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 12:18 said: "worse than KENHYDERAL's making a statement that implies I am a wife beater, because I do not buy into his blatant, unreasonable guilt presuming racism"..... I cant believe that you still don't get it."
Explain why you can't get it. Overwhelming forensic evidence shows no one perpetrated a rape on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006. You insist a rape did happen.
What objective factual evidence have you ever shown that Crystal was raped?
None.
KENHYDERAL:
"Dr.Anonymous said: 'rotflol' ....... Swift comeback. In view of the recent discussions, here, pardon me if I'm skeptical that you were only playing a joke on me especially since initially you seemed to have such a hard time getting it."
Against your will, or maybe not realizing it, you show how much you resent me because I am more accomplished than you are. It is a Freudian slip.
Yes I said that because I know it will p--s you off.
Poor Kenny........this guy....who still thinks the SANE was competent and that Manly was a highly qualified experienced gynecologist. wow. This same kenny who is from, where was it, oh yeah, that place up north that treated the native peoples so well. yeah, that place. oh, and now the kenny who resides in, where is it, dubious? no, dungland? No, dubai! that's it.
it wouldn't be so much fun to mess with the troll if he didn't get his shorts in such a knot......but he does, and then we get treated to quotes and biblical references and big words and, lordy, such righteous indignation.
Keny, you want to help your friend? Tell her to get lawyer. She is gonna need one.
Anonymous @ 6:21 said:"From the Urban dictionary".............. And from the Oxford Dictionary: Amateur a Noun sense 2 "a person who is contemptibly inept at a particular activity"
Anonymous @ 6:49 said: "who still thinks the SANE was competent and that Manly was a highly qualified experienced gynecologist" In regard to Dr, Manly I acknowledged my error.
Dr. Anonymous (in admitting he is a troll whose purpose here is to upset me, not to have a serious debate) said: "Yes I said that because I know it will p--s you off" ....... So You're willing to make yourself look ridiculous, hoping your stupid charge will provoke a response from me...... He also said: "Against your will, or maybe not realizing it, you show how much you resent me because I am more accomplished than you are. It is a Freudian slip".......Stick to surgery and leave psycho-analysis to Psychiatrists and stop being so conceited that you think people are jealous of you because of how accopmlished you think you are.
Anononymous @ 6:23 said: When you tried to explain how the rape kit negative for semen was not significant. When you tried to claim the physical exam of Crystal showed injuries consistent with rape" ...... I was not expressing a medical opinion. I was simply making a deduction that if unidentified DNA was extracted from sperm and it's deposition could have occured up to and including the time of the alleged rape and Crystal's consensual sexual history did not account for it's presence then since semen is the vehicle for sperm a negative test for it is not probative. As well, I formed an opinion after Nurse Levicy said Crystal had injuries consistent with being sexually asaulted. I also noted that Dr. Manley did not come forth and say, in her opinion, Crystal was not definitely not raped.
Guiowen said: "Any luck getting your mother to return your passport so you can visit NC" ....... You guys really love to throw out loaded questions.
Anonymous @ 6:49 said: "that place up north that treated the native peoples so well"..... There was no Indian Wars meant to exterminate the Native People up in Canada. No one there ever said "the only good Injun is a dead injun"
Kenhyderal,
O.K>, I have no idea what these family responsibilities are, that prevent you from visiting the love of your life while she languishes in prison. I do know that, in your position, I would long ago have taken leave of some sort, explained to all my family that I had a very important affair in North Carolina, and come to Durham.
You seem to think that you can just leave it all up to Sidney Harr. Believe me, Sidney is not going to do this for you. Do you honestly think that people are going to take his word, against that of the medical examiner? Do you think those photographs of a broken door are going to convince anyone of anything? Or do you think, perhaps, that your buddy Kilgo will suddenly feel such remorse that he will appear with all the evidence you need to exonerate Crystal?
You can take my advice, or not. I don't much care what happens to Crystal. But at least try to think about it.
Say , kenny, care to divulge just exactly what you guys did to the native peoples? perhaps, in particular, to the women?
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 6:49 said: "that place up north that treated the native peoples so well"..... There was no Indian Wars meant to exterminate the Native People up in Canada. No one there ever said 'the only good Injun is a dead injun'".
The Native Americans fought valiantly on behalf of Canada(a British possession at the time) in the War of 1812. After the war ended, Great Britain abandoned those people who fought for Canada. That is an historical fact.
In the Treaty of Ghent, the US did promise to guarantee the way of life of the native Americans and did not live up to that promise. However Great Britain, which was administering Canada, turned and looked the other way.
SIDNEY HARR:
On the subject of apologies, have you the grace and morality to apologize for telling the world you speak for Jesus Christ upon the cross, that you know what He really meant when He said, Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
For the nine thousandth time, Kenny, in little words, so you can get it.......the SANE was completely and totally discredited. She admitted to making changes to her notes (a major no-no), she admitted that Mangum had said <FOUR times, that the men did NOT use condoms when they raped her (later, Mangum changed her story conveniently, as you know). She also admitted that she was in-training, had done very limited exams, had no physician supervision in the room during the exam. She admitted that the swelling she noted could have been caused by many things.....including general sexual activity without any element of force (such as rape), infections (like yeast), and other irritations. In other words, she was NOT credible. Get it, Kenny?
As to Manly, this was a resident (in training) who had almost no prior experience with gynecology and who did not, subsequently, become a Gyn. Don't be an idiot, Kenny.
You know Mangum lied, Kenny.
KENHYDERAL:
One explanation(explanation, not excuse) for the US attitude towards the native peoples was Great Britain's de facto policy prior to the War of 1812 of violating US sovereignty in what was the Northwest and inciting hostility among Native Peoples towards the US.
KENHYDERAL:
With regard to the Native Americans, there is plenty of blame to go around, involving all the European powers who colonized North America - with the possible exception of the French, from whom Great Britain, with significant help from Colonial forces, took over Canada.
Think about it. In spite of your dislike for the US, Canada exists, to a certain measure, because of the US.
Ignore the troll. it will eventually go hide under a bridge.
"Anonymous said...
Ignore the troll. it will eventually go hide under a bridge."
When I don't ignore KENHYDERAL, it really p---es him off. rotf and lol.
today is supposedly Mangum's day in court again. I wonder if she is going to have Harr there, by her side, as second chair counsel. would sure love to be in the court room to see that circus.
Anonymous said...
today is supposedly Mangum's day in court again. I wonder if she is going to have Harr there, by her side, as second chair counsel. would sure love to be in the court room to see that circus.
If I lived in Durham I would probably attend, but I don't so I won't.
Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:
On the subject of apologies, have you the grace and morality to apologize for telling the world you speak for Jesus Christ upon the cross, that you know what He really meant when He said, Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
No.
guiowen said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
" guiowen, .
What do you think of the photos?"
I guess that somewhere, sometime, somebody broke a door jamb. Somebody put a dent on the door.
gui, mon ami, permit me to fill in the blanks.
The somewhere: Reginald Daye's aparmtent.
The sometime: The wee morning hours of Sunday, April 3, 2011.
The somebody: Reginald Daye.
Anonymous said...
wow, sidney, two photos , sound and fury, signifying nothing.....
What do you expect? Do you honestly think that a judge would simply turn Mangum loose because she says it was self defense? If so, you are an idiot. There has to be proof and so far....there isn't ANY. In fact, her record of convictions that include an element of violence weighs against her. Because a door was busted is not proof that she was defending herself. Don't be silly. For Mangum to get out of going to prison for a long time, she is going to have to have hard evidence, sidney.
fyi, I could not find any documentation of your assertion that Daye said he kicked in the door in a statement to police. You are going to need to provide such documentation.
Mangum, as her own counsel, is going to have to show that Daye was the aggressor and that she was fighting for her life. There are STILL no photos AT ALL that show any injuries to her......thus, her claim of this wild drunken beating is just that....a claim....and nothing more. Just as was her claim that she was beaten by Daye in March and treated for injuries in a clinic.
In an interview by Sgt. Bond, Daye admits to kicking down the door after Mangum locked herself in the bathroom... although I believe he probably used his shoulder to bust down the door. I will try to get the specific reference available in my spare time.
Also I ask for your patience as I will post photos of injuries to Mangum and other evidence shortly.
In addition I will post documentation about Mangum's friend who took her to get medical treatment for a beating she sustained at Daye's hand on March 24, 2011.
Anonymous said...
Hilarious that Harr, the guy who obnoxiously references jesus, and Kenny, the holier than thou boy, would use Cioran quotes.....given Cioran's beliefs. LOLOL.
On the other hand, I guess Harr (who admires Farrakhan, the anti-semetic bowtie wearing wingnut), would naturally have an affinity for, and admire, the same types as did Cioran.
Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said I admire Farrakhan... I said I admire Mike Nifong, Gregory Taylor, and Hugo Chavez!
Anonymous said...
Another Mangum and Harr "words to live by" quote, so perfect for them.
"Good people do not need laws to tell them how to act responsibly; while bad people will always find a way around the laws".....Plato.
Commenters providing quotes by Plato and Emile Cioran... that's what makes this blogsite so great... enlightening and educational contributions by you commenters. To you I give my sincerest thanks. You never find such enlightenment, for example, on Liestoppers or Durham-in-Wonderland.
Now, if only Walt-in-Durham will grace us with his observations about the photos of the door battered down by Daye...
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"In an interview by Sgt. Bond, Daye admits to kicking down the door after Mangum locked herself in the bathroom"
Where is this statement in any interview? it's not in any of the documents you posted here
If anyone can get in touch with KC Johnson, please let him know that our thoughts and prayers are with him as he attempts to avoid having to testify at one of the Duke Lacrosse spin-off trials.
As I have repeatedly recommended, I think it would be best if he just opened up and told the truth, instead of trying to hide it. Anyway, my best to the historian, and please keep in mind that a nearby Ecuadorian Embassy should be part of your contingency plan. If it will accept Assange, then you're a shoo-in.
Lance the Intern said...
"In an interview by Sgt. Bond, Daye admits to kicking down the door after Mangum locked herself in the bathroom"
Where is this statement in any interview? it's not in any of the documents you posted here
Intern, the admission comes in an April 4, 2011, report by Bond in which she interviewed him.
I'll provide the link later.
Intern, for you and other no-believers, naysayers, and ill-willers, I will put the link below to the document in which Daye admits to "kicking" in the door, although I am more inclined to believe that he used his shoulder!
LINK to Bond report
This does not prove self defense. Lesser charge and three to five if she is found guilty. Both fighting. Both drinking. She got the knife. She stabbed him. He denies beating her in this statement.
So bro you leaving poor crystal to be by herself as her own lawyer?
Sid -- You notice the "For Use By Authorized Personnel Only" statement at the top of the document?
Are you "authorized personnel"? Who gave you this authorization?
In regards to the actual document -- it appears to be 2 separate documents, with the first document ending with the sentence "The apartment was close but he didn't know the address".
Note the difference in text and the line running along the side of the document beginning with the sentence "Mr. Daye said they had been out at a party..."
Sorry, Sid, but without Officer Bond declaring that this is a copy of the original document, I'm disinclined to believe it. Given a short amount of time, anyone with access to a PDF editor could make this document state anything they wish.
Sid, as I've posted before,
I would think you'd support Dr. Johnson's fight against Duke University given:
1) That forcing an author to submit to legal interviews and give up his communications with sources could set a dangerous precedent that threatens journalists’ constitutional protections.
2) Your own experience with Duke University depriving you of your civil rights.
Is it only an issue when YOUR civil rights are violated?
SIDNEY HARR:
"Commenters providing quotes by Plato and Emile Cioran... that's what makes this blogsite so great... enlightening and educational contributions by you commenters."
I do not think you mean my comments debunking your lies are educational and enlightening, even though they are. This blog might be good if not for your persistent, blatant lies, for your presumption that you speak for Jesus Christ on the cross
'To you I give my sincerest thanks. You never find such enlightenment, for example, on Liestoppers or Durham-in-Wonderland."
One finds enlightenment on this blog from the posters who debunk the lies you and KENHYDERAL promulgate. Otherwise one finds none. KC Johnson does not need quotes from other notables since he is capable himself of providing enlightenment.
Again your Freudian slip is showing - you show how much you resent C Johnson. Is it because Duke takes him seriously and considers you no more significant than a gnat?
KENBHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 6:21 said:"From the Urban dictionary".............. And from the Oxford Dictionary: Amateur a Noun sense 2 "a person who is contemptibly inept at a particular activity'".
The Oxford dictionary defines amateur. The Urban dictionary defines amature, the term you used.
Nevertheless, both definitions, Oxford and Urban, describe you perfectly.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anonymous @ 6:49 said: "who still thinks the SANE was competent and that Manly was a highly qualified experienced gynecologist" In regard to Dr, Manly I acknowledged my error."
With regard to Dr. Manly, when it was pointed out to you she was not an experienced gynecologist but a resident, you claimed she was an experienced ER physician. Your acknowledgement was rather shallow.
You have not acknowledged that Tara Levicy was a SANE in training who had little to no experience doing forensic exams of rape victims. Nor do you acknowledge that her statement that there were injuries consistent with rape was legally meaningless. It only signified she did not document any specific injuries.
SIDNEY HARR:
"
On the subject of apologies, have you the grace and morality to apologize for telling the world you speak for Jesus Christ upon the cross, that you know what He really meant when He said, Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
No."
So you admit to being a blasphemer. Not even Martin Luther King or Dietrich Boenhofer would have claimed to have known what was in Jesus mind.
KENHYDERAL:
"Dr. Anonymous (in admitting he is a troll whose purpose here is to upset me, not to have a serious debate) said: "Yes I said that because I know it will p--s you off" ....... So You're willing to make yourself look ridiculous, hoping your stupid charge will provoke a response from me...... He also said: "Against your will, or maybe not realizing it, you show how much you resent me because I am more accomplished than you are. It is a Freudian slip".......Stick to surgery and leave psycho-analysis to Psychiatrists and stop being so conceited that you think people are jealous of you because of how accopmlished you think you are."
Boy do I have you p---ed off because I am more accomplished than you are. rotf and lol continue.
SIDNEY HARR:
"As I have repeatedly recommended, I think it would be best if he just opened up and told the truth, instead of trying to hide it."
This is from someone who believes the truth is, in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that Crystal was raped, who think the Lacrosse players got off because of a carpetbagger jihad, the existence of which he can not prove.
"Anyway, my best to the historian, and please keep in mind that a nearby Ecuadorian Embassy should be part of your contingency plan. If it will accept Assange, then you're a shoo-in."
Maybe you resent KC Johnson because no one, not even Ecuador, takes you seriously.
KENHYDERAL:
"Anononymous @ 6:23 said: When you tried to explain how the rape kit negative for semen was not significant. When you tried to claim the physical exam of Crystal showed injuries consistent with rape" ...... I was not expressing a medical opinion. I was simply making a deduction that if unidentified DNA was extracted from sperm and it's deposition could have occured up to and including the time of the alleged rape and Crystal's consensual sexual history did not account for it's presence then since semen is the vehicle for sperm a negative test for it is not probative. As well, I formed an opinion after Nurse Levicy said Crystal had injuries consistent with being sexually asaulted. I also noted that Dr. Manley did not come forth and say, in her opinion, Crystal was not definitely not raped."
You formed opinions which would have been meaningful only if you had medical training and experience. Since you do not, all you did was presume guilt in the face of overwhelming evidence that Crystal lied when she cried rape.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Intern, for you and other no-believers, naysayers, and ill-willers, I will put the link below to the document in which Daye admits to "kicking" in the door, although I am more inclined to believe that he used his shoulder!"
You present this document the way you presented Mr. Daye's being charged with assaulting a female. You omit that the charge was dismissed by the DA. Similarly you omit that most of the testimony in that document is testimony that Crystal was the aggressor.
Liar Liar pants on fire
SIDNEY HARR:
"" guiowen, .
What do you think of the photos?"
I guess that somewhere, sometime, somebody broke a door jamb. Somebody put a dent on the door.
gui, mon ami, permit me to fill in the blanks.
The somewhere: Reginald Daye's aparmtent.
The sometime: The wee morning hours of Sunday, April 3, 2011.
The somebody: Reginald Daye."
We have no way of knowing whether that is the police saying that or SIDNEY saying that. In any event, SIDNEY omits to state that the door breaking occurred as part of an incident in which Crystal was the clear aggressor.
SIDNEY HARR:
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An attempt by SIDNEY to get people to take him and his blog as seriously as they take DIW by distinguished Professor KC Johnson.
KENHYDERAL:
From the Free Online Dictionary:
"One lacking the skill of a professional, as in an art.
From Merriam-Webster on line:
"one lacking in experience and competence in an art or science"
From Wiktionary:
"Someone who is unqualified or insufficiently skillful."
Those descriptions fit you
From Dictionary.com:
"a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons."
So you take pleasure on presuming innocent men guilty of a crime which never happened.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said I admire Farrakhan... I said I admire Mike Nifong, Gregory Taylor, and Hugo Chavez!"
Putting words into your mouth is the only way truth will ever come out of your mouth. You lie, rather than tell the truth, which makes it particularly blasphemous that you state that you speak for Jesus Christ upon the cross.
KENHYDERAL:
"I also noted that Dr. Manley did not come forth and say, in her opinion, Crystal was not definitely not raped."
There again you show how amateurish you are. If Dr. Manly did not say Crystal was not raped, so what. For the prosecution to say Crystal had raped, Dr. Manly would have to say Crystal was raped. Where does she say that.
Another example of your guilt presuming unreasonable blatant unrepentant racism.
Where does it say Crysta was raped?
Again, Tara Levicy's statement to the police about injuries consistent with rape means only no definite injuries were documented. If you weren't so amateurish, you would have realized that.
Well, here's a (partial) answer to the question about the 4th attorney representing Crystal...
How did this get by you, Sid? Apparently, your buddy Victoria Peterson had the discovery from the prosecution, but gave it to the bailiff to return to Crystal. Oh, and apparently the doctor that was asked to review the autopsy hasn't written her report yet.
Only in Durham. This is a bleepin three ring circus. The AG needs to step in, or something, and take charge of this fiasco. Mangum has NO business representing herself. And allowing Peterson to behave as she did is ridiculous. What a bunch of idiots! I felt some pity for Mangum, given how she lacks the common sense and judgement of a clothes pin......and given that she has been surrounded by vultures like Harr for years. But, now, she should get exactly what she asks for........
What a stupid bunch of halfwits......
Paris Ramadan, another NCCU law school product. I hope this one has a brain. Apparently, she does.....if she made it clear she is not representing Mangum....at least, not now. What the heck is the judge doing, letting Peterson pass notes, wave around a cell phone, and handle discovery? That behavior violates courtroom procedures, in any courtroom I have ever seen. Damn, sidney, even YOU ought to know a screwup when you see this.....
ok, Lance, perhaps a dumb question from me......didn't allowing Peterson to walk out with the discovery break the chain of evidence control/procedure for ensuring the integrity of the contents? And why would she be given the evidence with no standing? I guess this goes to Mangum representing herself and all the screwy happenings that will follow because of this situation.
It sounds to me that attorneys are sick and tired of Mangum-Harr-Peterson and none of them want to handle her case. It boggles my mind that the judge wouldn't flat out bar Mangum from having any contact with this bunch, but I suppose there are limitations there.
Lance,
That article gives the impression that Crysal's decision to represent herself against muder charges was somewhat ill advised. Any comment?
Ill advised? Yep, that's an understatement. I am no lawyer, so am only running my mouth with a personal observation here. I think, though, that she has a right to represent herself if she is deemed competent....and I recall that she was deemed competent to stand trial recently. So, apparently, the judge really had no choice but to let Mangum have her way. It is pathetic, really, because her behavior shows, over and over and OVER, how really INcompetent she is.....and how little true understanding and judgment she possesses. who was the bigot in residence calling? harr? he didn't even bother to show up at the hearing yesterday. Nice. These people have used Mangum for years and now she is in major deep doo doo.
KENHYDERAL:
This morning on the Today show, 30 people took the Oath of Citizenship and became citizens.
Are you so hostile to the United States because you were denied the opportunity to become a US citizen?
Anonymous@5:48:
At this point, "discovery" is information about the witnesses and evidence they’ll present at trial.
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I wonder if the carpetbagger jihad is connected?
Anonymous said: "Are you so hostile to the United States because you were denied the opportunity to become a US citizen".............. Some of my best friends are American" (*SA)
Lance the Intern said...
"HEY! LISTEN UP, EVERYBODY!!
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I wonder if the carpetbagger jihad is connected?"
Clearly, Carpetbaggers and Bakery workers are working together to deprive Crystal of her favorite food.
Guiowen said
"Clearly, Carpetbaggers and Bakery workers are working together to deprive Crystal of her favorite food.
Do you mean twinkies or, ummm, "hohos"?
Isn't it nice to know that some of the Troll's best friends are Americans! I feel so, well, so gosh darn glad about that. wheeeee!!!
Hey Lance, infor about the witnesses etc? right, then, I assume it's ok for peterson to have possession of the information out in the corridor away from the view of the judge, and then to hand the envelope back to Mangum. My guess is that she put some kind of note in the envelope????? or am I just getting toooo conspiratorial? Perhaps it was a twinkie....
vann must be laughing.....what a circus
Anonymous @12:01 said
"Hey Lance, infor about the witnesses etc?"
Yeah -- unless the prosecution feels that there's good cause to deny witness information (i.e. physical risk to witnesses), then witness info is discoverable.
It's unclear from the article whether the prosecution made a motion for reciprocal discovery from Crystal....They have up to 10 days to do so.
In regards to Mrs. Peterson attempting to place anything "extra" in the discovery file, the court has the discretion to prohibit anyone from introducing evidence not disclosed.
Anonymous @ 11:59 said: "Isn't it nice to know that some of the Troll's best friends are Americans! I feel so, well, so gosh darn glad about that. wheeeee!!!".........And so does Crystal.
kenhyderal said...
'Anonymous @ 11:59 said: "Isn't it nice to know that some of the Troll's best friends are Americans! I feel so, well, so gosh darn glad about that. wheeeee!!!".........And so does Crystal.'
Crystal must be very happy, especially since Kenhyderal won't do anything for her. Could that be why she doesn't consider him a friend?
You're begining to sound like Malek Williams.
KENHYDERAL:
"You're begining to sound like Malek Williams."
Why would anyone want to take over your erstwhile alter ego?
kenhyderal said...
"You're begining to sound like Malek Williams."
Well, do something for her!
If Crystal is released from gaol on her own recognizance she will have access to the bail money.
Kenhyderal said; "If Crystal is released from gaol on her own recognizance she will have access to the bail money."
As my sainted mother used to say, "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas".
Or as my sainted father more succinctly put it:
"Wish in one hand and sh*t in the other and see which one fills fastest"
Your Mum should take St.Paul's advice "Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer
....And you should take my father's advice.
KENHYDERAL:
"Your Mum should take St.Paul's advice "Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer"
You should have taken along time ago the advice, it is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Who said that is unknown, but Ask Yahoo(http://ask.yahoo.com/20010115.html) says this: "All the confusion and disagreement surrounding both the author and the wording of this saying led us to suspect that it may be a simple maxim, not attributable to any single person -- which is not to question its wisdom."
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter" : Dr. Martin Luther King.
KENHYDERAL:
"'Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter' : Dr. Martin Luther King.
Which expresses perfectly why a lot of us are not silent about those who claim, without evidence, that Crystal Mangum was raped by innocent men.
Incidentally, KENNY, did Dr. King ever claim, like SIDNEY claimed, to be able to speak for Jesus Christ upon the Cross?
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