Friday, November 16, 2012

Petition for Writ of Mandamus to dismiss “Larceny of chose in action”


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Posting of this blink marks the 594th day of Crystal Mangum’s wrongful incarceration on bogus and trumped up charges of first degree murder and “Larceny of chose in action.” Throughout her lengthy incarceration, neither of the two attorneys representing her even made the simplest of efforts to dismiss the larceny charge. Had I been representing Mangum in this criminal case arising from the self-defense stabbing incident in the wee hours of Sunday, April 3, 2011, I would have filed a motion to dismiss the “Larceny of chose in action” charge on day one.

First, it is obvious that not only is the charge not supported, but that it was diabolically used in conjunction with the “felony-murder rule” solely for the purpose of validating the murder charge status to first degree. It was the intent of the malicious prosecutors to carry out this vendetta prosecution against Mangum as payback for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case… this is clear and without doubt.

Problems with the “Larceny of chose in action” charge against Mangum can be categorized as follows:
(1) elements of the charge were not met by Mangum’s actions;
(2) timeline of the charge related to the incident suggests that it was not made in good faith;
(3) indictment of the charge in conjunction with the murder charge two weeks following the incident strongly supports that it was made to bolster the first degree status of the murder charge;
(4) nothing in the prosecution discovery even states that Mangum stole cashier’s checks; and
(5) it is illogical for the charge to apply to cashier’s checks in which the payee and remitter” are registered.

Beginning with the “Larceny of chose in action” charge, two elements must be met. First, in this case, the cashier’s checks must be stolen, taken and carried away, or taken by robbery. This did not occur, as Reginald Daye in an interview with Sgt. Marianne Bond on the first postoperative day said that “he gave her the checks to hold on to.” In fact, his intention was for her not only to hold onto them, but to turn them over to the apartment manager on Monday, April 4, 2011, during office hours… a time during which he would be at work as a house painter. Daye correctly knew that she even had deposited them in her purse for safekeeping… as was recorded by Sgt. Bond in this same police report.

The second element of this little known/rarely used law is that it is not merely enough to be in unlawful possession of the cashier’s checks, but that she be required to use them to for the payment of money or the delivery of specific articles that are the property of another person or corporation. This never occurred… this was never attempted… and the prosecution knows this to be a fact. In fact, Mangum never forged, altered, or manipulated the cashier’s checks that were in her possession for days.

If Durham prosecutors made the “Larceny of chose in action” charge in good faith, it would have been brought sometime within the proximity of the incident. Prosecution maintains Mangum took or stole the cashier’s checks on April 3, 2011, but made no such larceny charge until more than two weeks later, concomitantly with the murder charge. The timeline of the simultaneous indictment of the “Larceny of chose in action” charge along with the murder charge furthermore bolsters the premise that its sole purpose was to use it to justify elevating the murder to first degree.

In the November 16, 2012 issue of The Herald-Sun, in an article titled, “Confusion reigns at Mangum court appearance,” for the first time in recorded history, it states in writing that Mangum was charged with “.. stealing two checks from him (Daye).” However, no where in the prosecution discovery in any of the police reports and interviews does it state that Mangum specifically stole “checks,” “cashier’s checks,” or “money orders.” The only references to theft in the prosecution discovery have to do with the theft or unlawful taking of “money” or “rent money.” And, the taking of money or cash is a disqualifier when it comes to the “Larceny of chose in action” charge.

Finally, the “Larceny of chose in action” charge can be assumed by a reasonable person to apply to a blank check or blank cashier’s check, and not one wherein the payee and remitter are denoted… as in the case against Mangum with the apartment listed as payee and Daye as remitter. If unlawfully taken or stolen, a blank check has the potential of being easily and illegally converted to cash for the criminal benefit of the holder who unlawfully obtained it. It is this situation in which the “Larceny of chose in action” Class H felony is applicable. However, if a cashier’s check is filled out with payee and remitter named, its theft or physical loss is of no consequence as the remitter still retains the ability to redeem its value even without the check in his possession. Likewise, it is unreasonable for anyone to steal a check that has been filled out as to payee and remitter since that check’s value can only be converted by the payee or remitter, and not by the thief.

The only reason that Prosecutors had the nerve to bring this ridiculous charge against Mangum to satisfy the murder charge’s first degree standing, was because they were well aware that it would not be challenged by Mangum’s defense attorneys. And it wasn’t. Over more than a year and a half, neither of Mangum’s defense lawyers bothered to file a motion to dismiss this merit-less charge… and that is ineffective legal representation at its best.

In the criminal case against Crystal Mangum, which is nothing more than a house of cards built on a foundation of quicksand, the “Larceny of chose in action” charge will undoubtedly be the first underpinning of this criminal travesty to go. 

LINK:  http://www.justice4nifong.com/legal/cgm/direc/direcMasC.htm

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Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Ill advised? Yep, that's an understatement. I am no lawyer, so am only running my mouth with a personal observation here. I think, though, that she has a right to represent herself if she is deemed competent....and I recall that she was deemed competent to stand trial recently. So, apparently, the judge really had no choice but to let Mangum have her way. It is pathetic, really, because her behavior shows, over and over and OVER, how really INcompetent she is.....and how little true understanding and judgment she possesses. who was the bigot in residence calling? harr? he didn't even bother to show up at the hearing yesterday. Nice. These people have used Mangum for years and now she is in major deep doo doo.


Actually, representing herself was the best thing that Mangum could do, as all the attorneys who have represented her to date have had their priorities focused on protecting Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the city of Durham... all at the expense of Mangum.

And, fear not. Crystal's position is favorable because she has truth and justice on her side.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Since you are not a party to the case, you have no standing to file a writ of mandamus.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR

How have you demonstrated that not granting a writ of mandamus would cause you and other inhabitants of Durham County to suffer harm?

From the Free On Line dictionary:

"an extraordinary writ commanding an official to perform a ministerial act that the law recognizes as an absolute duty and not a matter for the official's discretion; used only when all other judicial remedies fail".

What official duty are you trying to compel the DA to perform. Are you saying a DA has the duty to dismiss charges before trial? Not so if there is reason to go to trial and argue the matter in open court.

That is something you seem to have missed. A writ of mandamus is not issued when there are other avenues by which the objective of the writ can be achieved.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Actually, representing herself was the best thing that Mangum could do, as all the attorneys who have represented her to date have had their priorities focused on protecting Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the city of Durham... all at the expense of Mangum."

You have not established as fact that DUMC Hospital, Clay Nichols and Durham have done anything that would require covering up. You have made unsupported allegations.

"And, fear not. Crystal's position is favorable because she has truth and justice on her side."

Whose truth? Your truth? Truths like Reginald Daye was once charged with assaulting a female, that Reginald Daye admitted breaking down the bathroom door?

The truths you claim to have presented are not truths, they are distortions of the truth.

Lance the Intern said...

I feel that the court will give this all the due consideration it deserves.

just like it did with the previous writ of mandamus.

kenhyderal said...

I fear you are right, but, as The Writ points out, failing to do so is going to put the tax payers of North Carolina at a huge risk which could make the LaCrosse Players suits miniscule. "It's a long road without a bend".

Lance the Intern said...

Sid -- Could you speak to Victoria Peterson and find out what she was attempting to communicate to Crystal Mangum, Ms. Coggins-Franks and Judge Hobgood?

I also suggest that you speak to her about her conduct while in the courtroom. From what I read, she's close to finding herself being held in contempt of court.

For reference, North Carolina
§ 5A-11 (Criminal contempt) states that each of the following is criminal contempt:

(1) Willful behavior committed during the sitting of a court and directly tending to interrupt its proceedings.

(2) Willful behavior committed during the sitting of a court in its immediate view and presence and directly tending to impair the respect due its authority.

(3) Willful disobedience of, resistance to, or interference with a court’s lawful process, order, directive, or instruction or its execution.

Lance the Intern said...

Kenhyderal said "I fear you are right, but, as The Writ points out, failing to do so is going to put the tax payers of North Carolina at a huge risk which could make the LaCrosse Players suits miniscule. "It's a long road without a bend"."

The average cost per year for your average NC inmate is $27,747...
NC Indigent Defense Services reports that the average Capital case costs around $28,000 (granted, these numbers are about 5 years old)...

I have no idea how much the Duke Lacrosse case has cost the city of Durham (I've heard $5 million bandied about).Let's assume that's true.

Assume Crystal Mangum lost her case and subsequently appealed and lost every appeal (I'm not sure -- 3-4 maybe? Check w/ Walt on that)...She would need to serve somewhere in the neighborhood of 175 years in jail. Just to equal the amount of money spent by Durham on the Duke LAX case as of today.

In the greater scheme of things, the $300,000 or so that it would cost for Crystal to remain in jail while appealing her conviction doesn't really seem that much.

Just sayin.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I fear you are right, but, as The Writ points out, failing to do so is going to put the tax payers of North Carolina at a huge risk which could make the LaCrosse Players suits miniscule. "It's a long road without a bend".

Just like you have never established Crystal was raped, SIDNEY has never established Crystal was wrongfully prosecuted.

Your grasp of legal matters is truly amateurish, in the sense that you always make a fool of yourself and you must like doing it.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: " Your grasp of legal matters is truly amateurish, in the sense that you always make a fool of yourself and you must like doing it"...... When it comes to legal matters I am an amateur. Since I am ever cognizant of that fact, I can't think of any time I've made a fool of myself in that regard. Can you give an example of where I have done so on matters of law

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: " Your grasp of legal matters is truly amateurish, in the sense that you always make a fool of yourself and you must like doing it"...... When it comes to legal matters I am an amateur. Since I am ever cognizant of that fact, I can't think of any time I've made a fool of myself in that regard. Can you give an example of where I have done so on matters of law".

Each and every time you have insisted in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that Crystal was raped.

guiowen said...

But, Sidney,
Didn't you send this same writ on August 7?
What makes you think it will meet a different fate this time?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:52 said: "Each and every time you have insisted in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that Crystal was raped"........................ There is probably not, at present, sufficent evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, to get a conviction although the case never went to trial, where a prosecuter might have put potential witnesses on the stand. I understand that aspect of the law. I also understand that if new evidence comes forth that is incriminating charges can still be brought. Although I have no legal expertise, for me to believe, from what I know, that a crime happened does not mean I am ignorant. Think of yourselves and Casey Anthony.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 3:52 said: "Each and every time you have insisted in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that Crystal was raped"........................ There is probably not, at present, sufficent evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, to get a conviction although the case never went to trial, where a prosecuter might have put potential witnesses on the stand. I understand that aspect of the law."

What you do not understand is that there was never any evidence that a crime happened in the first place. There were no witnesses, Kilgo notwithstanding.

"I also understand that if new evidence comes forth that is incriminating charges can still be brought."

Such evidence would have to be credible. Someone coming forward six plus years after the crime did not happen and say, I witnessed the crime, would have to overcome the overwhelming evidence that no crime had happened, Kilgo and you notwithstanding.

"Although I have no legal expertise, for me to believe, from what I know, that a crime happened does not mean I am ignorant."

You have not shown you know anything. All you do is presume guilt. What you say you "know" is only uncorroborated allegations from unreliable sources.

"Think of yourselves and Casey Anthony."

More irrelevant red herrings.

Anonymous said...

This blog is proof of one thing - the Bell Curve is correct.

Anonymous said...

Same song, umpteenth verse. Somebody please adjust Sidney's medications.

Anonymous said...

First, Harr has no standing to file this pack of lies. Second, this is just more of the same baloney that he has been serving up.
I sincerely hope that the court will give Peterson exactly what she deserves. Durham's resident wingnut bigot gets away with murder because she is black. If a white person acted out in court the way she did this past week, you can damn well bet a contempt charge would be handed down so fast, your 'fro would curl. I guess in Durham courts there are double standards......if you are Victoria or Jackie or Wahneeeeema or Sidney, you can be a disrespectful ass in court. If you are Bob or Bill or Sue, look out.......your disrespect will get your backside in jail.
Harr and his merry band (what is it now, three members out of jail, plus a few assorted convicts??) continue to thumb their noses at the law.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR

How have you demonstrated that not granting a writ of mandamus would cause you and other inhabitants of Durham County to suffer harm?

From the Free On Line dictionary:

"an extraordinary writ commanding an official to perform a ministerial act that the law recognizes as an absolute duty and not a matter for the official's discretion; used only when all other judicial remedies fail".

What official duty are you trying to compel the DA to perform. Are you saying a DA has the duty to dismiss charges before trial? Not so if there is reason to go to trial and argue the matter in open court.

That is something you seem to have missed. A writ of mandamus is not issued when there are other avenues by which the objective of the writ can be achieved.


Regarding my standing in the case and the financial burden to Durhamians, it would be a redundancy to place in comments what is already in the Petition itself. Try reading it.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

Since you are not a party to the case, you have no standing to file a writ of mandamus.


I may not be a party to the criminal case, but I do have standing as an outside third party because its outcome could have unintentional adverse consequences for me.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
Actually, representing herself was the best thing that Mangum could do, as all the attorneys who have represented her to date have had their priorities focused on protecting Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the city of Durham... all at the expense of Mangum."

You have not established as fact that DUMC Hospital, Clay Nichols and Durham have done anything that would require covering up. You have made unsupported allegations.

"And, fear not. Crystal's position is favorable because she has truth and justice on her side."

Whose truth? Your truth? Truths like Reginald Daye was once charged with assaulting a female, that Reginald Daye admitted breaking down the bathroom door?

The truths you claim to have presented are not truths, they are distortions of the truth.


Prosecuting and defense attorneys along with the media are trying to conceal the following from the public:
1) Dr. Nichols' autopsy report contains major discrepancies with Daye's medical records... a fact!
2) Duke University Hospital's wrongful intubation of Daye resulted in his oxygen deprivation, brain death, and removal from life support.
3) The city of Durham is conducting a malicious vendetta prosecution against Mangum.

Regarding knocking down the bathroom door, Daye admitted to it in a police report interview with Sgt. Bond, and also a provided links that visually show the damage incurred when Mangum sought refuge from the enraged and intoxicated Daye.

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance the Intern said...
Sid -- Could you speak to Victoria Peterson and find out what she was attempting to communicate to Crystal Mangum, Ms. Coggins-Franks and Judge Hobgood?

I also suggest that you speak to her about her conduct while in the courtroom. From what I read, she's close to finding herself being held in contempt of court.

For reference, North Carolina
§ 5A-11 (Criminal contempt) states that each of the following is criminal contempt:

(1) Willful behavior committed during the sitting of a court and directly tending to interrupt its proceedings.

(2) Willful behavior committed during the sitting of a court in its immediate view and presence and directly tending to impair the respect due its authority.

(3) Willful disobedience of, resistance to, or interference with a court’s lawful process, order, directive, or instruction or its execution.


I could speak to Victoria about that, but presently I am not of the persuasion to pursue such a course of action.

With regards to the criminal contempt of court issues, I do not believe Ms. Peterson's actions came anywhere near reaching the magnitude requisite to press charges.

Comprende?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Same song, umpteenth verse. Somebody please adjust Sidney's medications.


Thanks for your concern, but my medications require no adjustment.

Regards the petition, it is similar to the previous petition that was seeking the same remedy... the dismissal of the Larceny of chose in action charge.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
First, Harr has no standing to file this pack of lies. Second, this is just more of the same baloney that he has been serving up.
I sincerely hope that the court will give Peterson exactly what she deserves. Durham's resident wingnut bigot gets away with murder because she is black. If a white person acted out in court the way she did this past week, you can damn well bet a contempt charge would be handed down so fast, your 'fro would curl. I guess in Durham courts there are double standards......if you are Victoria or Jackie or Wahneeeeema or Sidney, you can be a disrespectful ass in court. If you are Bob or Bill or Sue, look out.......your disrespect will get your backside in jail.
Harr and his merry band (what is it now, three members out of jail, plus a few assorted convicts??) continue to thumb their noses at the law.


Shirley, you joust. Your theory and its premises are so far out as to not even be within light years of our galaxy. To suggest that the Court is lenient when it comes to the behavior of Mangum supporters is pretty far-fetched.

Nice try.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Prosecuting and defense attorneys along with the media are trying to conceal the following from the public:
1) Dr. Nichols' autopsy report contains major discrepancies with Daye's medical records... a fact!"

Your assertion that it is a fact hardly makes it a fact. When challenged to show the report is fraudulent, you respond with an unsupported allegation, that anyone with a 5th grade education can see the report is fraudulent, which allegation establishes you as an incompetent physician.

2) Duke University Hospital's wrongful intubation of Daye resulted in his oxygen deprivation, brain death, and removal from life support."

Documents you illegally accessed and published establish that Reginald Daye was correctly intubated, i.e. direct laryngoscopy showed the ET tube was in the larynx.


"3) The city of Durham is conducting a malicious vendetta prosecution against Mangum."

You have provided no evidence to establish that as fact.

"Regarding knocking down the bathroom door, Daye admitted to it in a police report interview with Sgt. Bond, and also a provided links that visually show the damage incurred when Mangum sought refuge from the enraged and intoxicated Daye."

Sauid documents are an interview with Reginald Daye which documents Crystal was the aggressor, and that the door was smashed as part of that row in which Crystal did the attacking.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I could speak to Victoria about that, but presently I am not of the persuasion to pursue such a course of action.

With regards to the criminal contempt of court issues, I do not believe Ms. Peterson's actions came anywhere near reaching the magnitude requisite to press charges.

Comprende?"

This from SIDNEY HARR who insisted his frivolous lawsuit had merit and that he would triumph. Not a high recommendation of SIDNEY's competence to render legal opinions.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Thanks for your concern, but my medications require no adjustment.

Regards the petition, it is similar to the previous petition that was seeking the same remedy... the dismissal of the Larceny of chose in action charge."

It is a rehash of all your delusions about the Duke phony rape case and your frivolous lawsuit against Duke and amounts to a pathetic attempt on your part to get noticed.

It must really rankle you that not even a country like Ecuador would want you.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Shirley, you joust. Your theory and its premises are so far out as to not even be within light years of our galaxy. To suggest that the Court is lenient when it comes to the behavior of Mangum supporters is pretty far-fetched.

Nice try."

This from someone who lacks th ability to tell a starling from a star, who lacks the ability to distinguish between a Ford galaxy and an astronomical Galaxy.

Really pathetic try, SIDNEY.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
I may not be a party to the criminal case, but I do have standing as an outside third party because its outcome could have unintentional adverse consequences for me."

No one considers your misguided support of DA NIFONG or of Crystal anything but the ravibgs of a narcissistic crackpot. They do not constitute factual evidence that anyone is trying to get you.

Anonymous said...

Correction of Typo:



SIDNEY HARR:

"
I may not be a party to the criminal case, but I do have standing as an outside third party because its outcome could have unintentional adverse consequences for me."

No one considers your misguided support of DA NIFONG or of Crystal anything but the ravings of a narcissistic crackpot. They do not constitute factual evidence that anyone is trying to get you.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Regarding my standing in the case and the financial burden to Durhamians, it would be a redundancy to place in comments what is already in the Petition itself. Try reading it."

I did.

You said there was a possibility of Durham and the DA's office being sued for wrongful prosecution. Your narcissistic ravings about fraudulent autopsy reports and Malpractice on the part of Duke o not constitute evidence of wrongful prosecution. They do call into question your mental competency.

guiowen said...

Sidney,
As I've told you before, I trust your medical expertise, but most people are not willing to take your word against that of Dr. Nichols. He has an official position, which (in some people's minds) makes his word more authoritative than yours. It is therefore imperative that you obtain Dr. Christena Roberts' report.
Once you have this report, Rae Evans's minions will try to interpret it in some way that is unfavorable to Crystal. You must therefore go out of your way to promulgate the Roberts report, taking it if necessary to the US Department of Justice, possibly even to the White House.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

This is a reply to your last post on the previous blog post. I am posting it here to see if SIDNEY will answer the question I asked:

KENHYDERAL:

"'Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter' : Dr. Martin Luther King.

Which expresses perfectly why a lot of us are not silent about those who claim, without evidence, that Crystal Mangum was raped by innocent men.

Incidentally, KENNY, did Dr. King ever claim, like SIDNEY claimed, to be able to speak for Jesus Christ upon the Cross?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Do you think the Daye family is a part of the case against Crystal?

Do you think the Daye family has a right to seek a writ of mandamus requiring the Durham court to bring Crystal to trial?

A lot of your sympathizers, who have by now deserted you, have asked why the Lacrosse defendants were unwilling to prove themselves innocent by going to trial. Don't you think Crystal deserves the opportunity to prove her innocence at trial?

Anonymous said...

Harr is just seeking attention and that's all there is to this nonsense. He will use anybody, including this pathetic black woman, to draw attention to himself and his racist crackpot bull. Harr craves attention and he is sinking further and further into his own delusions. I used to think he was "funny"; now, he is just a sad little man and another racist loser.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 10:54 said: "Which expresses perfectly why a lot of us are not silent about those who claim, without evidence, that Crystal Mangum was raped by innocent men. Incidentally, KENNY, did Dr. King ever claim, like SIDNEY claimed, to be able to speak for Jesus Christ upon the Cross ? "........Ah, I didn't realize it was the "vocal majority" who Dr.King was admonishing to continue speaking out,shrilly against the rich and oppressed; such as the Duke LaCrosse Players and their ilk. Thankfully, "Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers" has heard the call and taken up the torch. B.t.w. Dr. Harr did not claim to speak for "The Saviour"; he only wondered if "He" considered those whom he asked "His Father" to forgive as fools. At other times he had so described those who refused to believe.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 10:54 said: "Which expresses perfectly why a lot of us are not silent about those who claim, without evidence, that Crystal Mangum was raped by innocent men. Incidentally, KENNY, did Dr. King ever claim, like SIDNEY claimed, to be able to speak for Jesus Christ upon the Cross ? "........Ah, I didn't realize it was the "vocal majority" who Dr.King was admonishing to continue speaking out,shrilly against the rich and oppressed; such as the Duke LaCrosse Players and their ilk. Thankfully, "Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers" has heard the call and taken up the torch."

You are justifying the false accusation of the innocent Lacrosse players on their race and social status. It is called unreasonable, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racism. Dr. King did not try to justify racism in any form.

"B.t.w. Dr. Harr did not claim to speak for "The Saviour"; he only wondered if "He" considered those whom he asked "His Father" to forgive as fools."

This is the exchange between me and SIDNEY:

Me:

The Man from Nazareth, who spoke the words, Father forgive them for they know not what they do, did not call the people, for whom He prayed, fools.

And you have the nerve to call yourself as a follower of the Man from Nazareth.


SIDNEY: He may not have said it, but He probably thought it."

SIDNEY did presume to speak for Jesus Christ on the cross, your denials notwithstanding. As I told SIDNEY, your denials are not worth as much as one counterfeit pre Euro Italian lira.

"At other times he had so described those who refused to believe."

I agree He described them as fools. He did not say to them, "Thou Fool". SIDNEY did call the person for he so sarcastically prayed a fool.

What theological authority told you or SIDNEY that Jesus Christ thought of those for whom He prayed as fools?

kenhyderal said...

Did you note the word "probably" in Dr.Harr's response? Making interpretations of Holy Writ has been going on for millenia and not just by theologians. The oldest scriptures are in the hands of the Vatican and those who have access to them are versed in Biblical Greek and Hebrew. The King James Translation although a work great literature takes a lot of liberty with the text and context.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"

Did you note the word "probably" in Dr.Harr's response?"

Yes. It still does not negate the fact that SIDNEY presumed to speak for Jesus Christ upon the cross.

"Making interpretations of Holy Writ has been going on for millenia and not just by theologians."

When was SIDNEY interpreting Holy Writ? It is clear in Holy Writ that Jesus Christ on the cross did not say they are probably fools, or, they probably know not what they do.

"The oldest scriptures are in the hands of the Vatican and those who have access to them are versed in Biblical Greek and Hebrew. The King James Translation although a work great literature takes a lot of liberty with the text and context."

Since when did you become a Biblical scholar? Probably the same time you presumed, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Caucasian men were guilty of raping Crystal.

What do you think of Eugene Peterson's The Message?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Via your remarks about the Lacrosse players in your post of November 17, 2012 2:50 PM you show again how much you resent Caucasian men who are better off and better off than you are. There is no probably about it.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Clarification which you obviously need:

Since when does interpretation of Holy Writ mean writing something into
Holy Writ which is clearly not there, like Jesus Christ probably thought the people for whom he prayed were fools.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:20 said: "What do you think of Eugene Peterson's The Message"...........................His attempts at rendering the Bible into modern English vernacular makes it much less inspiring. King James commissioned great writers and scholars. Some of the literary licence they took might not have rendered this as the most accurate translation but it is surely a literary masterpiece. Charging Dr. Harr with presuming to speak for God in this instance, is just plain assinine and you all know it. He makes an innocent, off the cuff, remark and the jihad vultures sweep down. You all hope to discredit him by trying to make something major of it. Give it a rest. The Duke LaCrosse Defence has spread the lie that Crystal was a prostitute. They frantically beat the bushes in Durham and environs in a futile attempt to find someone, anyone who who would claim they payed Crystal for sex. All they were left with was to seed it as a vile rumor and it quickly got picked up by the brain-washed posters here. Hoping to discredit Dr. Harr as a blasphemer is just another example of a strategy that's doomed to fail.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Stop whining! If you want us to believe you really are Crystal's friend, com e over to Durham and do something.
If you need to ex-plain to your family why you have to do it, I'll even write a little speech out for you. Since you're Canadian, I'll even write it out in French too.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Another thing: at this point, no one really cares what Crystal's profession is. If she's guilty of murder, she won't get any worse punishment for being a whore. If the lacrosse kids had raped her, the fact that she's a whore would not have decreased their punishment. No one's going to spend any time or money trying to locate her johns. The only reason they bring up her profession is to annoy you. They can they say: "If Kenny doubts Crystal's a whore, that just proves he's a skeptic and, therefore, a bitter sadist."

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:20 said: "What do you think of Eugene Peterson's The Message"...........................His attempts at rendering the Bible into modern English vernacular makes it much less inspiring."

A not non-surprising, pseudo intellectual interpretation.

"King James commissioned great writers and scholars. Some of the literary licence they took might not have rendered this as the most accurate translation but it is surely a literary masterpiece."

Not disputed.

"Charging Dr. Harr with presuming to speak for God in this instance, is just plain assinine and you all know it."

If you were not a pseudo intellectual, you would consider it blasphemous, in view of SIDNEY's multiple and repeated lies."

"He makes an innocent, off the cuff, remark and the jihad vultures sweep down."

Earlier SIDNEY complained about people putting words in his mouth. SIDNEY, unapologetically, attempts to pass off words he put into the mind of JESUS CHRIST and you call it an innocent off the cuff remark.

And there is no jihad. Jihad is something holy to devout Muslims. What you are trying to do to innocent Caucasian men may be a Crusade to you but it is not a Jihad.

"You all hope to discredit him by trying to make something major of it. Give it a rest."

You and SIDNEY have already done enough on your own to discredit yourselves. Meanwhile, you are not giving it a rest in your unholy campaign to discredit innocent men.

"The Duke LaCrosse Defence has spread the lie that Crystal was a prostitute. They frantically beat the bushes in Durham and environs in a futile attempt to find someone, anyone who who would claim they payed Crystal for sex. All they were left with was to seed it as a vile rumor and it quickly got picked up by the brain-washe posters here."

The defense lawyers for the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players(something you and SIDNEY are trying to discredit in the face of overwhelming evidence they ARE innocent) never accused Crystal of being a prostitute, nor did any members of the Lacrosse team. The news that Crystal was a prostitute came from sources in Durham who volunteered it. What is strong circumstantial evidence confirming it is the finding of male DNA from multiple males, which was not deposited there on the night of 13/14 March 2006, on multiple areas of her person. DA NIFONG orchestrated that finding.

"Hoping to discredit Dr. Harr as a blasphemer is just another example of a strategy that's doomed to fail."

SIDNEY HARR had already discredited himself as a blasphemer, via his conduct of invoking "the Man from Nazareth" as his patron while promulgating rather vile lies.

Anonymous said...

Well, I guess we will finally be coming to the trial date. I cannot see how Mangum is going to get off on self defense. BUT, I also don't see how the prosecution is going to get first degree. Still looks like second degree or something else......seems to me that, unless Mangum magically produces extensive photographs that prove she was beaten half to death....she can't prove self defense. A hole in a door just doesn't even come close....for all the reasons everybody has mentioned. She just does not have much of a claim for self defense without legit photos. So far, these have not materialized as Harr promised they would.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Jihad is something holy to devout Muslims"........ And the word has entered into the venacular as a single-minded campaign. Notice I used a lower case "j". Anonymous also said: "The defense lawyers for the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players(something you and SIDNEY are trying to discredit in the face of overwhelming evidence they ARE innocent) never accused Crystal of being a prostitute, nor did any members of the Lacrosse team"...... No, they used their surrogates such as "Duke LaCross Liestoppers" Anonymous also said: "What is strong circumstantial evidence confirming it is the finding of male DNA from multiple males, which was not deposited there on the night of 13/14 March 2006"..........The time of deposition of this DNA can not be timed but it does include a period up to and including the time of the alleged rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "Jihad is something holy to devout Muslims"........ And the word has entered into the venacular as a single-minded campaign."

As in SIDNEY's failure to establish as fact that DA NIFONG and Crystal were discredited as the result of a carpetbagger jihad?

"Notice I used a lower case "j".

So? no carpetbagger jihad can be shown to exist.

"Anonymous also said: 'The defense lawyers for the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players(something you and SIDNEY are trying to discredit in the face of overwhelming evidence they ARE innocent) never accused Crystal of being a prostitute, nor did any members of the Lacrosse team"...... No, they used their surrogates such as 'Duke LaCross Liestoppers'"

No they didn't. No one engaged in a campaign to discredit Crystal on behalf of the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players. The allegations were shown to be false, which is what showed Crystal to be a false accuser.

"Anonymous also said: "What is strong circumstantial evidence confirming it is the finding of male DNA from multiple males, which was not deposited there on the night of 13/14 March 2006"..........The time of deposition of this DNA can not be timed but it does include a period up to and including the time of the alleged rape."

No it does not. Forensic exam of the rape kit definitively established that no rape occurred, that whenever multiple males deposited their DNA on multiple areas of Crystal's person, it was not on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

SIDNEY'a presumption that he can speak for Jesus Christ on the cross does qualify as blasphemy - at least, for what it matters(and I presume it matters nothing to you - so what - that is as significant as Adolph Hitler denouncing someone for loving the Jewish people), I would not presume to speak for Jesus Christ on the cross because I would not want to blaspheme.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal's refusal to believe what the rest of us believe proves that he's a sadistic bitter soul.

Anonymous said...

guiowen, funny!!

Anonymous said...

Harr has NO standing in the case/court. This petition is not worth the paper it's written on. It is also full of lies, half truths, distortions and nonsense. Please note that it far more about Harr than it is about Mangum. He uses much more "ink" ranting about himself and his nonexistent case against Duke than he does about Mangum. ......which, of course, we all know is typical of this man. Pure dribble and a waste of bandwidth. I am certain, however, that Durham's bigot-in-chief will just have herself with how brillant this all is......

Lance the Intern said...

"I may not be a party to the criminal case, but I do have standing as an outside third party because its outcome could have unintentional adverse consequences for me."

There's absolutely no connection between the charges against Crystal Mangum and your civil case against Duke. None. Any argument made for dropping the "Larceny of chose in Action" based upon your civil case is, quite simply, ridiculous.

Your argument regarding "potential future litigation" is specious as well.

Judge Hardin knew what he was doing when he signed off on Mangum's request to represent herself. if she is convicted of the felony murder charge, she cannot argue on appeal that counsel wasn’t up to the task.

Anonymous said...

Agreed, Lance. Let her represent herself and the....the truth will, as Harr says, set her "free". She will have no one to blame but herself.......or, if she goes free, she can spend years and years fawning over her brillant advocates. I am definitely a betting person and I bet that she winds up with second degree or lesser and three to five with time served.
Seems to me the only piece of evidence that she could possibly produce would be legit photos, taken by an LEO investigator. etc, that show an extensive beating. It will be a Durham jury, though, and you never know what kind of verdict could come out. With Mr. Daye's money in her purse (yes, I said money, sidney......read the definition applicable here...), and with no evidence of any beating.....she sure looks SOL to me.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
Prosecuting and defense attorneys along with the media are trying to conceal the following from the public:
1) Dr. Nichols' autopsy report contains major discrepancies with Daye's medical records... a fact!"

Your assertion that it is a fact hardly makes it a fact. When challenged to show the report is fraudulent, you respond with an unsupported allegation, that anyone with a 5th grade education can see the report is fraudulent, which allegation establishes you as an incompetent physician.

2) Duke University Hospital's wrongful intubation of Daye resulted in his oxygen deprivation, brain death, and removal from life support."

Documents you illegally accessed and published establish that Reginald Daye was correctly intubated, i.e. direct laryngoscopy showed the ET tube was in the larynx.


"3) The city of Durham is conducting a malicious vendetta prosecution against Mangum."

You have provided no evidence to establish that as fact.

"Regarding knocking down the bathroom door, Daye admitted to it in a police report interview with Sgt. Bond, and also a provided links that visually show the damage incurred when Mangum sought refuge from the enraged and intoxicated Daye."

Sauid documents are an interview with Reginald Daye which documents Crystal was the aggressor, and that the door was smashed as part of that row in which Crystal did the attacking.


First, Dr. Nichols' autopsy report states that perforations occurred to Daye's left lung, diaphragm, left kidney, and fundus of the stomach. These injuries were not validated in any of the medical records or police reports in prosecution discovery. Only injuries to the colon and spleen noted in Nichols' autopsy report are legitimate.

Secondly, the fact that the EtCO2 was negative is a more reliable indicator of a mis-positioned endotracheal tube than visualization... and it only makes sense that its misplacement led to Daye's cardiac arrest.

Thirdly, the fact that both charges are baseless and vendetta driven support the fact that they are malicious and lodged against Mangum in retaliation for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case.

Fourthly, if Mangum locked herself in the bathroom, how could she knock the door inward? ... if it is your premise that Crystal knocked down the door... Your position on this matter is vague. Mangum, no doubt was the victim of an intoxicated abuser.


Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Thanks for your concern, but my medications require no adjustment.

Regards the petition, it is similar to the previous petition that was seeking the same remedy... the dismissal of the Larceny of chose in action charge."

It is a rehash of all your delusions about the Duke phony rape case and your frivolous lawsuit against Duke and amounts to a pathetic attempt on your part to get noticed.

It must really rankle you that not even a country like Ecuador would want you.


I am sure that Ecuador would welcome me with open arms. But then again, I am not hiding out from the law and trying to keep information from seeing the light of truth.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Well, SIDNEY emerges again to seek attention for himself.

"First, Dr. Nichols' autopsy report states that perforations occurred to Daye's left lung, diaphragm, left kidney, and fundus of the stomach. These injuries were not validated in any of the medical records or police reports in prosecution discovery. Only injuries to the colon and spleen noted in Nichols' autopsy report are legitimate."

You are not competent to determine whether or not the Autopsy report was fraudulent.


"Secondly, the fact that the EtCO2 was negative is a more reliable indicator of a mis-positioned endotracheal tube than visualization... and it only makes sense that its misplacement led to Daye's cardiac arrest."

No it is not and does not.

Thirdly, the fact that both charges are baseless and vendetta driven support the fact that they are malicious and lodged against Mangum in retaliation for her role in the Duke Lacrosse case."

There is no evidence of that. All you have provided are unproven allegations.

Fourthly, if Mangum locked herself in the bathroom, how could she knock the door inward? ... if it is your premise that Crystal knocked down the door... Your position on this matter is vague. Mangum, no doubt was the victim of an intoxicated abuser."

My premise was not that Crystal knocked the door in but that the door was kicked in during an incident in which Crystal was the aggressor. You have presented no evidence that Reginald Daye was an intoxicated abuser, just uncorroborated allegations.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I am sure that Ecuador would welcome me with open arms."

So why don't you do us all a favor and take your narcissistic attention seeking behavior to Eduador.

"But then again, I am not hiding out from the law and trying to keep information from seeing the light of truth."

Neither is anyone else, your delusions and attention seeking behavior notwithstanding. And you promulgate lies as truth, which you ARE trying to keep the truth from coming to light. Not only are you a blasphemer but a hypocritical blasphemer.

Now go crawl back into your hole until you need another attention fix.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Are you going to emerge tonight to spew out more unreasonable guilt presuming racism? I look forward to it.

Anonymous said...

Clarification:

SIDNEY HARR:

"I am sure that Ecuador would welcome me with open arms."

So why don't you do us all a favor and take your narcissistic attention seeking behavior to Eduador.

"But then again, I am not hiding out from the law and trying to keep information from seeing the light of truth."

Neither is anyone else, your delusions and attention seeking behavior notwithstanding. And you promulgate lies as truth, which means YOU ARE trying to keep the truth from coming to light. Not only are you a blasphemer but a hypocritical blasphemer.

Now go crawl back into your hole until you need another attention fix.

guiowen said...

So, Kenhyderal,
Have you bought your tickets, Dubai-Raleigh, yet?
Sorry if you feel I'm bullying you.

kenhyderal said...
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kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:33 said: "My premise was not that Crystal knocked the door in but that the door was kicked in during an incident in which Crystal was the aggressor. You have presented no evidence that Reginald Daye was an intoxicated abuser, just uncorroborated allegations".........Use a little common sense. Crystal attacking Reginald Daye from behind a locked door which, to save himself, he had to kick open???? Crystal may have disrespected him verbally and in a rage he attacked her. That is the only reasonable interpretation. Think about it. You read his statement. His contention that he was the victim is self-serving and his own statement does not bear out this version.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "Sorry if you feel I'm bullying you".... You are not able to bully me. I fight back. You bully vulnerable people like Crystal and those like Dr.Harr who turn the other cheek. B.t.w. do you live in Durham or Raleigh?

guiowen said...

No. I live far far away. But are you indeed going there?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 5:33 said: "My premise was not that Crystal knocked the door in but that the door was kicked in during an incident in which Crystal was the aggressor. You have presented no evidence that Reginald Daye was an intoxicated abuser, just uncorroborated allegations".........Use a little common sense. Crystal attacking Reginald Daye from behind a locked door which, to save himself, he had to kick open????"

I am talking about CRYSTAL grabbing a knife and going after him.

"Crystal may have disrespected him verbally and in a rage he attacked her. That is the only reasonable interpretation."

No it isn't, considering Crystal's documented propensity for violence.

"Think about it. You read his statement. His contention that he was the victim is self-serving and his own statement does not bear out this version."

It bears out that in the incident, Crystal was the aggressor. What you call self serving is anything that does not buy into your unreasonable, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racism, like the innocent Lacrosse players defending their innocence.d

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen said: "Sorry if you feel I'm bullying you".... You are not able to bully me. I fight back."

But you sure get p---ed off when people do not buy into your blatant unrepentant unreasonable guilt presuming racism.

"You bully vulnerable people like Crystal and those like Dr.Harr who turn the other cheek."

You mean Crystal the false accuser and SIDNEY the attention seeking narcissist?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAK:

"Crystal may have disrespected him verbally and in a rage he attacked her. That is the only reasonable interpretation."

The fallacy here is that you believe you are reasonable. By definition, an unreasonable, guilt presuming racist is not.

Anonymous said...

Kenny hissy boy, where are the famous photos that show Mangum all beat up? She has all the discovery/evidence now, per Harr and Peterson......so, I ask you, straight up, where are these photos that your guru Harr has been ranting about for months? HUH????? Where????? Are we now to believe that the photos do not exist? If they don't exist, then how come Harr was so adamantly positively sermonly sure that they did and that we would all tuck tail with shame when we saw them? Put up or shut up, all of you Crystal Cult members. If she was beaten half to death by Daye, then there will be photos to prove it.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL(sorry for the typo in my last post):

"You bully vulnerable people like Crystal and those like Dr.Harr who turn the other cheek."

SIDNEY and Crystal both insist, like you, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Crystal was raped. Since when is accusing innocent men of a vile crime which never happened turning the other cheek? Try reading Commandment number 9.

Anonymous said...

The photos that harr posted do NOT prove anything at all.....except that the door got damaged. Period. Mangum is going to have to prove, Kenny, PROVE that she stabbed Daye in self defense. Her best evidence would be photos of her beating delivered by him. Where are the photos, kenny? I have worked around hospitals, EDs, and violence victims for many years.....including working around the process of injury assessment and documentation from LEOs. There are ALWAYS extensive photos taken to document injuries. The only photo that has been seen of Mangum taken after the stabbing shows NO such injuries.

You will recall that Mangum, herself, told the EMT/police that she had no injuries and was not in pain. You will recall that one officer noted a small scratches on her hand. None of th EMT or LEOs documented ANY significant facial beating or neck choking signs. NONE. And, yet, you and Harr want to claim she was beaten half to death, punched in the face, choked? Please, kenny, grow up! Your sweetheart "princess" as the black panthers call her, is a common liar with the morals of a house cat.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "No. I live far far away. But are you indeed going there?" ...... "In God's good time"

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen said: 'No. I live far far away. But are you indeed going there?' ...... 'In God's good time'"

Translated, I(KENHYDERAL) am keeping as much distance between me and my "friend" and her problems as I can.

kenhyderal said...

It's a long road to justice. Step one is for Crystal to win this phoney first degree murder case. I have confidence in Dr.Harr's ability to help her accomplish this. Step two is to reunite her with her beloved children. Step three is to seek compensation for her wrongful and vindictive incarceration. Step four is find and punish the guilty in her 2006 rape. And finally step five to restore her reputation so viciously and unjustly assaulted

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"It's a long road to justice. Step one is for Crystal to win this phoney first degree murder case."

Whether or not he is guilty is for a court to decide, not SIDNEY HARR. Unlike the Duke phony rape case, there is probable cause to believe Crystal was involved in a felony.

"I have confidence in Dr.Harr's ability to help her accomplish this."

You have a strange definition of ability. In spite of any ability he might have, SIDNEY has yet to show he is capable of nothing, except passing off uncorroborated allegations as the truth.

"Step two is to reunite her with her beloved children."

Considering her history, her ability to love her children adequately and effectively is in question.

"Step three is to seek compensation for her wrongful and vindictive incarceration."

Before that, you ill have to prove her incarceration was wrongful. There is no evidence it was part of a vendetta because of her false allegations of rape.

"Step four is find and punish the guilty in her 2006 rape."

What 2006 rape? You have shown no evidence that she was raped. You have only made unsupported allegations, which you think outweighs the overwhelming factual evidence she was not raped.

"And finally step five to restore her reputation so viciously and unjustly assaulted".

Crystal trashed her own reputation. Had she not falsely accused innocent Lacrosse players of rape, there would have no rape kit for DNA Security to test and establish she had sex with multiple men on multiple occasions(except on the night of 13/14 March 2006).

Anonymous said...

OOPS - Typo:

KENHYDERAL:

"It's a long road to justice. Step one is for Crystal to win this phoney first degree murder case."

Whether or not she is guilty is for a court to decide, not SIDNEY HARR. Unlike the Duke phony rape case, there is probable cause to believe Crystal was involved in a felony.

"I have confidence in Dr.Harr's ability to help her accomplish this."

You have a strange definition of ability. In spite of any ability he might have, SIDNEY has yet to show he is capable of nothing, except passing off uncorroborated allegations as the truth.

"Step two is to reunite her with her beloved children."

Considering her history, her ability to love her children adequately and effectively is in question.

"Step three is to seek compensation for her wrongful and vindictive incarceration."

Before that, you ill have to prove her incarceration was wrongful. There is no evidence it was part of a vendetta because of her false allegations of rape.

"Step four is find and punish the guilty in her 2006 rape."

What 2006 rape? You have shown no evidence that she was raped. You have only made unsupported allegations, which you think outweighs the overwhelming factual evidence she was not raped.

"And finally step five to restore her reputation so viciously and unjustly assaulted".

Crystal trashed her own reputation. Had she not falsely accused innocent Lacrosse players of rape, there would have no rape kit for DNA Security to test and establish she had sex with multiple men on multiple occasions(except on the night of 13/14 March 2006).

Break the Conspiracy said...

This Writ is a clever way to attract attention to the injustice against Crystal.

Initially, I intended to criticize your failure to post the photographs you have promised show the horrific injuries Daye inflicted on Crystal. As I have noted repeatedly, these photographs are critical to Crystal's self-defense plea. Without evidence of a severe beating, her claim of self-defense must be decided by a jury, and the jury must accept Crystal's testimony in the face of efforts by the prosecution to discredit it. Initially, I thought your filing was a waste of time.

In addition to posting the photographs, I have emphasized that you must increase the readership of this blog. I suggested demonstrations, teach-ins, press conferences and similar events. You recognize that conventional methods may not be successful in the face of a biased media. The media ignore Crystal's case except when they publish stories in which they imply that Crystal and her supporters are behaving foolishly.

I misunderstood your actions. The court ignored your earlier Writs of Mandamus. You do not expect the court to act differently with this filing. That is not your motivation.

The State Bar found the earlier Writs constituted the practice of law, but they delayed notifying you. Reports indicated that they intended to obtain an injunction to bar you from additional filings. They delayed obtaining that injunction. This new filing will force the Bar to act and permit you to ask the court to lift the injunction.

This will provide you an opportunity to present your arguments in court and provide evidence that the prosecutors, the City of Durham, most of the defense attorneys in the state, the media, the Governor, Attorney General, other politicians, the Medical Examiner, civil rights organizations and others are conspiring against Crystal due to her role in the Duke lacrosse case.

That hearing will be the perfect opportunity to unveil the photographs that you promise show Crystal's horrific injuries. The media will cover the proceeding, thinking that it will discredit you and other Nifong/Mangum supporters, and in so doing will be forced to publish your compelling evidence that Crystal was brutally beaten. You will prove that prosecutors are conducting a vendetta prosecution. The public outcry will not permit this injustice to stand.

Well done. You have outsmarted the Bar. Do not let this opportunity pass.

Anonymous said...

Correction:



KENHYDERAL:

"It's a long road to justice. Step one is for Crystal to win this phoney first degree murder case."

Whether or not she is guilty is for a court to decide, not SIDNEY HARR. Unlike the Duke phony rape case, there is probable cause to believe Crystal was involved in a felony.

"I have confidence in Dr.Harr's ability to help her accomplish this."

You have a strange definition of ability. In spite of any ability he might have, SIDNEY has yet to show he is capable of anything, except passing off uncorroborated allegations as the truth.

"Step two is to reunite her with her beloved children."

Considering her history, her ability to love her children adequately and effectively is in question.

"Step three is to seek compensation for her wrongful and vindictive incarceration."

Before that, you ill have to prove her incarceration was wrongful. There is no evidence it was part of a vendetta because of her false allegations of rape.

"Step four is find and punish the guilty in her 2006 rape."

What 2006 rape? You have shown no evidence that she was raped. You have only made unsupported allegations, which you think outweighs the overwhelming factual evidence she was not raped.

"And finally step five to restore her reputation so viciously and unjustly assaulted".

Crystal trashed her own reputation. Had she not falsely accused innocent Lacrosse players of rape, there would have no rape kit for DNA Security to test and establish she had sex with multiple men on multiple occasions(except on the night of 13/14 March 2006).

Anonymous said...

Hilarious, Break.

Nifong Supporter said...


Break the Conspiracy said...
This Writ is a clever way to attract attention to the injustice against Crystal.

Initially, I intended to criticize your failure to post the photographs you have promised show the horrific injuries Daye inflicted on Crystal. As I have noted repeatedly, these photographs are critical to Crystal's self-defense plea. Without evidence of a severe beating, her claim of self-defense must be decided by a jury, and the jury must accept Crystal's testimony in the face of efforts by the prosecution to discredit it. Initially, I thought your filing was a waste of time.

In addition to posting the photographs, I have emphasized that you must increase the readership of this blog. I suggested demonstrations, teach-ins, press conferences and similar events. You recognize that conventional methods may not be successful in the face of a biased media. The media ignore Crystal's case except when they publish stories in which they imply that Crystal and her supporters are behaving foolishly.

I misunderstood your actions. The court ignored your earlier Writs of Mandamus. You do not expect the court to act differently with this filing. That is not your motivation.

The State Bar found the earlier Writs constituted the practice of law, but they delayed notifying you. Reports indicated that they intended to obtain an injunction to bar you from additional filings. They delayed obtaining that injunction. This new filing will force the Bar to act and permit you to ask the court to lift the injunction.

This will provide you an opportunity to present your arguments in court and provide evidence that the prosecutors, the City of Durham, most of the defense attorneys in the state, the media, the Governor, Attorney General, other politicians, the Medical Examiner, civil rights organizations and others are conspiring against Crystal due to her role in the Duke lacrosse case.

That hearing will be the perfect opportunity to unveil the photographs that you promise show Crystal's horrific injuries. The media will cover the proceeding, thinking that it will discredit you and other Nifong/Mangum supporters, and in so doing will be forced to publish your compelling evidence that Crystal was brutally beaten. You will prove that prosecutors are conducting a vendetta prosecution. The public outcry will not permit this injustice to stand.

Well done. You have outsmarted the Bar. Do not let this opportunity pass.


Break, you are truly enlightened. I have been waiting to hear from the State Bar, but have not as of November 16th received anything from the Bar regarding the injunction.

I will post their motion as soon as I receive it, and I will follow that with my response.

Have a great Thanksgiving, my friend.

Sid

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Hilarious, Break.


Anonymous, unlike you, Break is truly enlightened.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Anonymous said...
Hilarious, Break.


Anonymous, unlike you, Break is truly enlightened."

You really think so??!!!

Anonymous said...

Dear Sidney, please go to the library and get the big book called Dictionary. Look up words like sarcasm, irony, teasing, and bullXXXX. Read the definitions, Sidney. Break , whoever he or she is......is having fun with you, bro.
I hope your earnest replies of adoration for Break are also just your way of being sarcastic in return.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'It is a travesty of justice when an innocent person is confined in a jail or prison, and it should never occur in our society,' McDonnell said in a statement."

This comes from the appropriately named Liestoppers. It comes from a story about a man who spent 4 years in prison after being falsely accused of a sexual assault.

You want innocent men incarcerated for a lot more than 4 years because of a false rape claim. It says a lot about your sense of justice, or lack thereof.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Break, you are truly enlightened. I have been waiting to hear from the State Bar, but have not as of November 16th received anything from the Bar regarding the injunction.

I will post their motion as soon as I receive it, and I will follow that with my response."

In other words, you will write another narcissistic rant trying to get people to notice you.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY... LISTEN UP, EVERYBODY!
An Important Announcement!!

I would like to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving... especially the enlightened ones (kenhyderal, Break, and others), as well as those who are misguided and ignorant of enlightened truth (Walt-in-Durham, gui, Intern, Kilgo, Harr Supporter, and the myriad of naysaying, disbelieving, ill-willing anonymi).

I am truly thankful for the contributions of all commenters, whether pro or con, because those comments by the enlightened are encouraging and inspirational to me, whereas the hostile, derogatory, and illogical comments by Nifong/Mangum detractors provide me with a small measure of material to challenge my gray matter and keep my senses sharp and finely honed.

It is contributions by all of you that makes this blog site the envy of the world and makes it head and shoulders above sites such as Durham-in-Wonderland, LieStoppers, LaShawna Barber, and others.

I am thankful for those individuals who inspire me to do great things... Mike Nifong, Greg Taylor, Hugo Chavez... Individuals of dignity who believe in equal justice for all.

Finally, I am thankful for countries such as Ecuador and Venezuela that are willing to offer safe haven for political prisoners such as Assange, and my friend KC Johnson who may require such sanctuary in the future.

As you feast on your turkey, dressing, cranberry sauce and other fixin's, keep in mind how much I appreciate your contributions to this blog site.

Thank you all.

Anonymous said...

Nifong Supporter said...

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Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"It is contributions by all of you that makes this blog site the envy of the world and makes it head and shoulders above sites such as Durham-in-Wonderland, LieStoppers, LaShawna Barber, and others."

If you think your blog is head and shoulders above those others, your head must be stuck up your butt.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I am thankful for those individuals who inspire me to do great things... Mike Nifong, Greg Taylor, Hugo Chavez... Individuals of dignity who believe in equal justice for all."

That Mike Nifong inspires you is obvious from your denial, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Crystal was raped, from your belief that innocent men should be convicted of a vile crime on the word of a false accuser.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Finally, I am thankful for countries such as Ecuador and Venezuela that are willing to offer safe haven for political prisoners such as Assange, and my friend KC Johnson who may require such sanctuary in the future."

KC Johnson is your friend, just like Professor Coleman is your friend?

You again show your profound desire to have KC Johnson notice you. He is to far above you to bother with a narcissistic egomaniac.

kenhyderal said...

I am flattered that Dr.Harr considers me "enlightened" but I am also puzzled that he includes the irreverant, departed poster Kilgo as being misguided and ignorant of enlightened truth. I wonder if this is an indication that he still has some contact with him? Happy Thanksgiving to all posters and readers of good will. Canada has it's Thanksgiving on the second Monday in October. In Canada the crops have to be in by the end of September or the harvest will be interrupted by snow.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I am flattered that Dr.Harr considers me 'enlightened'"

SIDNEY HARR calling you "enlightened" is like Adolph Hitler congratulating you for being a good Aryan.

"but I am also puzzled that he includes the irreverant, departed poster Kilgo as being misguided and ignorant of enlightened truth."

I am also puzzled - SIDNEY got somethin right - he pegged Kilgo quite accurately.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "SIDNEY HARR calling you "enlightened" is like Adolph Hitler congratulating you for being a good Aryan"......... Everything isn't about race, except, that is, for some of the anonymous posters here

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "SIDNEY HARR calling you "enlightened" is like Adolph Hitler congratulating you for being a good Aryan"......... Everything isn't about race, except, that is, for some of the anonymous posters here".

First, the phony Duke rape case was about race - DA NIFONG prosecuted the innocent Lacrosse players because they were white - y black on white racism he got the black vote and won the DA election.

You missed the point - being considered enlightened by deluded megalomaniac is no honor - except to an unreasonable, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist.

Anonymous said...

Correction:



KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "SIDNEY HARR calling you "enlightened" is like Adolph Hitler congratulating you for being a good Aryan"......... Everything isn't about race, except, that is, for some of the anonymous posters here".

First, the phony Duke rape case was about race - DA NIFONG prosecuted the innocent Lacrosse players because they were white - he incited black on white racism to get the black vote and win the DA election

You missed the point - being considered enlightened by deluded megalomaniac is no honor - except to an unreasonable, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist.

November 21, 2012 4:16 PM

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "You missed the point - being considered enlightened by deluded megalomaniac is no honor"...... So why the reference to Hitler and Aryans. Aryan like Caucasian is a scientifically meaningless term but like Caucasian it's frequently used by racists to suggest that white skinned people are racially superior. Such designations should have died out with Hitler. Unfortunately there still are neo-nazis around.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "You missed the point - being considered enlightened by deluded megalomaniac is no honor"...... So why the reference to Hitler and Aryans."

The point is, which you have no intellectual capacity to grasp, being honored by SIDNEY is like being honored by Adolph Hitler. The metaphor is appropriate because, like SIDNEY and Hitler, you are a blatant unrepentant racist, and your attitude about the case IS based on the race of the false accuser and the race of the falsely accused.

With regard to who made the phoney Duke rape case a racially charged issue, I again remind you of DA NIFONG's statement to ABC 11 in Raleigh, the first public statement he made in the phoney Duke rape case.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Unfortunately there still are neo-nazis around."

Even more unfortunately, black on white racism is still around and being passed off by blatant unrepentant racists as a crusade for justice.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Aryan like Caucasian is a scientifically meaningless term but like Caucasian it's frequently used by racists to suggest that white skinned people are racially superior."

You probably feel that way because you feel inferior and resentful to Caucasian(an innocuous term except to a blatant unrepentant racist) who are better off and more accomplished than you.

Now go ahead and call me an "amature" psychiatrist. I have already told you what people are who call others "smature".

guiowen said...

So, Kenhyderal,
Do you still expect the Great Kilgo to give you the information you need? Would a subpoena be a good idea after all?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5: 30 said: "Even more unfortunately, black on white racism is still around and being passed off by blatant unrepentant racists as a crusade for justice"....................... It's still around, eh? So, can you give us a brief history of this horrible scourge that is such a blot on the American soul? Is it time, perhaps, the white oppressed minority took to the streets and engaged in civil disobedience? What a joke. There is not a single reputable Professor of Sociology at any U.S. University that supports the idea that black on white racism is a socialogical problem in America. It's only exists in the mind of a few misguided souls like you. Maybe you fear the changing demographics that is occuring there.

Lance the Intern said...

"I am flattered that Dr.Harr considers me "enlightened" but I am also puzzled that he includes the irreverant, departed poster Kilgo as being misguided and ignorant of enlightened truth."

I think "Kilgo" may have been a former member of J4N. I DO know that there was a former member that split from J4N over what he considered "their influence upon Crystal to not trust any of her lawyers"

OTOH, Steven Matherly referred to this same person as "...nutty and we can't get a grip on why he says the things he says - he seems to want to sow discord wherever he can but for what reason we can't fathom."

So -- Was this Kilgo? Perhaps Sid will tell us.

Happy Thanksgiving to all

Lance the Intern said...

"There is not a single reputable Professor of Sociology at any U.S. University that supports the idea that black on white racism is a socialogical [sic] problem in America"

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Report database (2010), of the hate crime offenses motivated by race, 70% were composed of anti-black bias, while 17.7% were of anti-white bias.

The bias (as linked to criminal offenses) may be much smaller, but it's still there.

Enough, I warrant, for SOME reputable Sociology professor at SOME U.S. college to support the idea that it is a problem.

kenhyderal said...

Yes Kilgo was a frequent poster when I first came on this blog. He donated money towards bail in Crystal's arson charge. When Hammond and Hammond posted her bail pro-bono this money went to Crystal to help with her children. When he left he somehow deleted all his past posts. His rhetoric was crude and obscene but he claimed to have first hand knowlege about the sexual assault of Crystal that he obtained from a Duke LaCrosse Player who was his personal friend.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"

Anonymous @ 5: 30 said: "Even more unfortunately, black on white racism is still around and being passed off by blatant unrepentant racists as a crusade for justice"....................... It's still around, eh?"

Yes, and the phoney Duke Rape case was a prime example.

"So, can you give us a brief history of this horrible scourge that is such a blot on the American soul? Is it time, perhaps, the white oppressed minority took to the streets and engaged in civil disobedience? What a joke."

You are showing your own resentment over Caucasian people who are better off and more accomplished than you are.

"There is not a single reputable Professor of Sociology at any U.S. University that supports the idea that black on white racism is a socialogical problem in America."

If that is true, then it would be more correct to say there is not a single reputable professor of sociology in any US University, except among his/her own kind.

"It's(sic) only exists in the mind of a few misguided souls like you. Maybe you fear the changing demographics that is occuring(sic) there."

The phoney Duke rape case is objective, factual evidence that black on white racism exists. Did you watch Dr. Phil yesterday. It featured the family of a Black man who had married a white woman. They were trashing the wife because she was white, because they felt she was not good enough to have married the black man, because they felt she was taking him away from his black roots.

Black on White racism does not exist only in the minds of blatant unrepentant black on white racists.

Anonymous said...

KENHYHDERAL:

"

Yes Kilgo was a frequent poster when I first came on this blog. He donated money towards bail in Crystal's arson charge. When Hammond and Hammond posted her bail pro-bono this money went to Crystal to help with her children. When he left he somehow deleted all his past posts. His rhetoric was crude and obscene but he claimed to have first hand knowlege about the sexual assault of Crystal that he obtained from a Duke LaCrosse Player who was his personal friend."

Claiming to have first hand knowledge about what happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006 and actually having knowledge are two different things. Since the evidence that Crystal was not assaulted is overwhelming, it is also overwhelming evidence that Kilgo did not have first hand knowledge of any assault.

Only an unreasonable, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist would have taken Kilgo seriously in the fact of the overwhelming evidence that Crystal lied about being assaulted on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

What factual evidence have you ever presented that Crystal was assaulted. I remind you, uncorroborated allegations are NOT evidence.

Anonymous said...

KENHYERAL:

I add, since the evidence that Crystal was not assaulted is overwhelming, it is also overwhelming evidence that Kilgo could not have known anyone who witnessed said non existent assault.

That you take Kilgo seriously is overwhelming evidence of your unreasonable guilt presuming racism.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Regarding Lance's comment of November 21, 2012 9:12 PM:

If it is true Kilgo was a J4N member, why did SIDNEY never mention Kilgo's alleged Lacrosse player friend?

kenhyderal said...

No, I don't believe Kilgo was a member of J4N. He was simply a frequent poster here. It was my understanding that he was a student at Duke University and although not a LaCrosse Player, was a friend and contemporary of one of the Players who was, himself, in attendance at the Party when Crystal was sexually assaulted

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"No, I don't believe Kilgo was a member of J4N. He was simply a frequent poster here. It was my understanding that he was a student at Duke University and although not a LaCrosse Player, was a friend and contemporary of one of the Players who was, himself, in attendance at the Party when Crystal was sexually assaulted".

Ergo, you display a lack of understanding. Since Crystal was not sexually assaulted at the Lacrosse party, Kilgo could not have had a friend who witnessed a sexual assault being perpetrated on her.

kenhyderal said...
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kenhyderal said...

When Kilgo is brought into court and is put under oath, then we'll find out. If he lied here about this person's existence. If he spoke the truth, then he will also be compelled to identify said person and that person will, himself, be forced to testify as to what he knows. All in God's good time.

Anonymous said...

indeed. we will see just how this all works out. for the Daye family, I hope Mangum faces justice.....

kenhyderal said...

Kilgo's sudden disapperance from this blog and him also changing his e-mail address is rather mysterious. I have speculated about possible reasons for this occurance. I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but one explanation that came to mind was that his Player friend perhaps at the behest of his Attorney has dissuaded Kilgo from continuing to expond, even cryptically, on-line about what he was told. I'm guessing Kilgo must still look into this blog and can read that he is still part of the discussion. If he has not been restrained I ask him to step up and help set the record straight.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"When Kilgo is brought into court and is put under oath, then we'll find out. If he lied here about this person's existence. If he spoke the truth, then he will also be compelled to identify said person and that person will, himself, be forced to testify as to what he knows. All in God's good time."

If Kilgo is brought to court, which is unlikely since he has ducked this blog for years, his testimony would be inadmissable hearsay. Whoever represented Crystal would have to produce Kilgo's witness.

Even if a witness were produced, that in and of itself does not negate or exclude the overwhelming forensic evidence that Crystal was not raped.

None of the uncorroborated speculation or conjecture you have presented refutes the evidence.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"

Kilgo's sudden disapperance from this blog and him also changing his e-mail address is rather mysterious. I have speculated about possible reasons for this occurance. I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but one explanation that came to mind was that his Player friend perhaps at the behest of his Attorney has dissuaded Kilgo from continuing to expond, even cryptically, on-line about what he was told. I'm guessing Kilgo must still look into this blog and can read that he is still part of the discussion. If he has not been restrained I ask him to step up and help set the record straight."

First off, you are not trying to set the record straight. You are trying to dismiss the factual record that Crystal was not raped.

The most likely reason Kilgo has disappeared is he is a fraud and does not want to involuntarily appear in court and admit he is a fraud.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

What establishes as fact that Kilgo's witness exists? That he buys into your belief in Crystal's uncorroborated allegations? No.

Even if there were no evidence which definitively disproves the allegations, you would have to come up with evidence proving the rape occurred(you have not) to make Kilgo's claim credible.

Since you allege a crime occurred, you have the obligation to prove it.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist..."

You theorize, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Crystal was raped.

You also theorize, in the face of no evidence(he who asserts must prove) that there was an organized campaign to discredit Crystal.

You theorize that, as a consequence of said unproven conspiracy that no attempt was made to identify who left DNA on Crystal. That happened because DA NIFONG tried to conceal the fact that the only Male DNA found on Crystal did not match that of any of the innocent men he wanted to indict or the alleged crime.

You have put forth a number of theories which lack credibility. That makes you a conspiracy theorist.

Nifong Supporter said...


kenhyderal said...
Yes Kilgo was a frequent poster when I first came on this blog. He donated money towards bail in Crystal's arson charge. When Hammond and Hammond posted her bail pro-bono this money went to Crystal to help with her children. When he left he somehow deleted all his past posts. His rhetoric was crude and obscene but he claimed to have first hand knowlege about the sexual assault of Crystal that he obtained from a Duke LaCrosse Player who was his personal friend.


I may have inadvertently grouped Kilgo in the wrong category of the misguided and ignorant. If Kilgo was , in fact, supportive of Crystal, then my sincerest apologies.

Anyway, Kilgo, I would enjoy seeing your comments on this blog site once again. (Don't stuff yourself with too much turkey today.)

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Next, you'll notice that there are also things in your findings that will also need to be backed up by FACT(emphasis added). For example, you can't just say, 'John F. Kennedy was assasinated,' before you gets facts and evidence. I mean, you can say that some people believe that JFK was assasinated, but physical evidence such as documents and videos. IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN HEARSAY(emphasis added)."

Read more: How to Convince People of Conspiracy Theories | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4596460_convince-people-conspiracy-theories.html#ixzz2CyfJDfQL

This is applicable to your belief about Kilgo. You have not presente any facts to back up your conspiracy theory. In particular, you have not presented any evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that there was a rape for Kilgo's alleged friend to witness.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I may have inadvertently grouped Kilgo in the wrong category of the misguided and ignorant. If Kilgo was , in fact, supportive of Crystal, then my sincerest apologies."

How disappointed I am! SIDNEY DID NOT get something right.

"Anyway, Kilgo, I would enjoy seeing your comments on this blog site once again. (Don't stuff yourself with too much turkey today.)"

You are already overstuffed with your own untenable conspiracy theories.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR's untenable conspiracy theory:

A carpetbagger jihad was responsible for discrediting DA NIFONG and discrediting Crystal.

When challenged to provide evidence, SIDNEY provides only an allegation that people who do not believe by said jihad have been duped by a Jedi Mind Trick.

kenhyderal said...

"Mr. Nifong, you've picked on the wrong families," "You've picked on the wrong family of the Duke lacrosse team. You've picked on the wrong family of Duke University. and you will pay every day for the rest of your life."......
Rae Evans This was not an empty threat.

kenhyderal said...

Nifong Supporter said: "I may have inadvertently grouped Kilgo in the wrong category of the misguided and ignorant. If Kilgo was , in fact, supportive of Crystal, then my sincerest apologies" ........ I am relieved.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'Mr. Nifong, you've picked on the wrong families," "You've picked on the wrong family of the Duke lacrosse team. You've picked on the wrong family of Duke University. and you will pay every day for the rest of your life.'......
Rae Evans This was not an empty threat"

Maybe not. But the context was, DA NIFONG had her son wrongfully indicted and prosecuted for a crime which never happened.

However, you are buying into SIDNEY's crazy conspiracy theory, via that statement, Mrs. Evans launched the carpetbagger jihad against DA NIFONG.

Mrs Evans statement was broadcast on February 11, 2007. By that time the NC Bar had reviewed the already filed complaints and had filed charges against DA NIFONG. Mrs. Evans statements were made AFTER the case against DA NIFONG had developed.

KHF Supporter said...

So, ken, why was Rae Evans' comment wrong?

You have claimed that three mystery rapists raped Crystal. That means Nifong prosecuted the wrong men. You have admitted that Crystal identified the wrong suspects and that Nifong should have known the identifications were unreliable. You have agreed that the DPD conducted an incredibly "shoddy" investigation and that Nifong did not insist that they do a professional job.

You have agreed that a prosecutor is not justified in charging random defendants of multiple felonies because it is too hard to solve the crime or because the police are grossly incompetent.

The defendants spent millions of dollars on legal fees and months being vilified in the media. All because Nifong didn't do his job.

So, ken, shall we discuss Nifong's stupidity, incompetence and laziness? Or was he dishonest and unethical?

Anonymous said...

Sid: the misguided and ignorant.

Stop it with the ad hominem attacks.

Apologize.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Nifong Supporter said: 'I may have inadvertently grouped Kilgo in the wrong category of the misguided and ignorant. If Kilgo was , in fact, supportive of Crystal, then my sincerest apologies' ........ I am relieved."

The question is, how relieved will you remain, waiting eternally for Kilgo to come forth and identify his so called Lacrosse player friend? My assessment is not very.

You got it wrong about Mrs. RaeEvans. Why would anyone believe you got it right about Kilgo?

Anonymous said...

Kenny Hissy must NOT have kids. Let me tell you a little secret, Hissy boy, if Nifong had gone after the son on my family as he did, you can damn well bet I would say EXACTLY the same thing as RaeEvans did. And one helluva lot more. I would have spent my last dime and my last drop of energy going after Nifong and doing everything in my power to see to it that NEVER forgot he had gone after an innocent kid......AFTER the jerk already KNEW the kid was innocent! If you don't get it, Kenny, then I feel sorry for you. Hooray for Rae Evans and every other parent who cares enough to be passionate about the kid. You are an idiot

kenhyderal said...

Other crimes, supposedly, occured besides the rape for which Mrs. Evan's son was cleared of, by DNA evidence; ie. kidnapping, sexual assault and robbery. The kidnapping and sexual assault being alleged and the robbery, although no charges were ever laid, admitted to in statements that were given to Police, along with feeble attempts to justify the taking Crystal's money.

kenhyderal said...

KHF Supporter said: "So, ken, why was Rae Evans' comment wrong"...... Wrong? Her comment simply indicated to me that her intent was to wage an all out and, on-going campaign against DA Nifong. Rhetorically speaking a jihad.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:30 said: "Kenny Hissy must NOT have kids"....... I am a Father. I'm confident that my Son would never be involved in crimes against a vulnerable person such as Crystal. That is how he has been raised.

Anonymous said...

Once again Kenny Hissy tries to bypass the point by referring to his son's apparent superior upbringing....rather than admitting to the truth that Mangum lied and that the Evans family and other families had every right to go after Nifong. I will point out to dense Kenny (who apparently has no capacity to remember.....), the Evans family did NOTHING to Nifong. The NC Bar took appropriate action, as did the Judge. Nifong filed bankruptcy and I doubt he will ever have to pay one dime for the misery and hurt he caused. I will say again that I applaud Rae Evans and any other parent who would stand up for their kid. I wonder if Kenny's son knows that Kenny is best friends with Durham's infamous resident hooker, liar and killer. And I wonder how his son would feel if Kenny were accused of rape by Crystal

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "I wonder if Kenny's son knows that Kenny is best friends with Durham's infamous resident hooker, liar and killer"..... If you have a child I wonder if that child knows how you slander the vulneable. But, in the words of the Almighty, " Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer-Psalm 101:5"

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
You're the one who's slandering people. Just because you can quote, that doesn't mean you're right.
In any case, stop whining. If you want to do something, do it!

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Other crimes, supposedly, occured besides the rape for which Mrs. Evan's son was cleared of, by DNA evidence; ie. kidnapping, sexual assault and robbery. The kidnapping and sexual assault being alleged and the robbery, although no charges were ever laid, admitted to in statements that were given to Police, along with feeble attempts to justify the taking Crystal's money."

Another feeble attempt on the part of KENNY to justify his unreasonable, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racism.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:30 said: "Kenny Hissy must NOT have kids"....... I am a Father. I'm confident that my Son would never be involved in crimes against a vulnerable person such as Crystal. That is how he has been raised."

No one perpetrated the crimes of rape, kidnapping or sexual assault against Crystal. If you are telling him that such crimes were perpetrated, you are raising him to be, like yourself, a blatant unrepentant unreasonable guilt presuming racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"KHF Supporter said: "So, ken, why was Rae Evans' comment wrong"...... Wrong? Her comment simply indicated to me that her intent was to wage an all out and, on-going campaign against DA Nifong. Rhetorically speaking a jihad."

Wrong. It was a Jihad, a struggle of a devoted parent for right and justice for her falsely accused son.

So what was DA NIFONG's attempt to frame David Evans for a crime which never happened, for a crime of which he knew David Evans was innocent? Do you consider that just a gentle attempt to chastise him?

If so, you again demonstrate for all, including your son, that you are an unreasonable, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "I wonder if Kenny's son knows that Kenny is best friends with Durham's infamous resident hooker, liar and killer"..... If you have a child I wonder if that child knows how you slander the vulneable(sic)."

Do you admit to your son that you believe in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that Crystal was raped, that you are advocating the conviction of innocent men for a crime which never happened? I think not.

"But, in the words of the Almighty, " Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer-Psalm 101:5'"

In the further words of the Almighty, whom I say you blaspheme by invoking Him to justify your blatant unrepentant guilt presuming racism, Matthew Chapter 7:

"“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."(NIV)

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Now you will say I am judging you. Your blatant unrepentant guilt presuming racism is obvious, as is the innocence of the men whom you judge to have raped Crystal.

You are convicting yourself out of the words of your own mouth.

Anonymous said...

Kenny, buy yourself a spelling for dummies book. it will help with your credibility. I suggest you might want to teach your son something about "put up or shut up" behavior and you might want to consider leading by example. Perhaps also a good lesson would be how you actually DO something intelligent for your best friend, Mangum, by telling her to dump Harr and get yourself a lawyer! Of course, YOUR son is perfect.......but, were he ever to be in a fix where he was FRAMED by a racist corrupt AXXhole of a prosecutor, I guess you would tell him to be his own counsel. Or maybe you would ask Harr to be his "lay advocate".

Anonymous said...

Hey sidney, perhaps you might want to do some research and find out just how many people facing first degree murder charges elect to fire their lawyers and defend themselves. A highly experienced judge urged Mangum not to dump Vann. I am certain others told her that representing herself is a stupid idea. But not you......oh no, YOU ushed her into a terrible decision. I wonder if attorney number four, Ramadan, will somehow wind up involved. or maybe you and the christian bigot will sit behind Mangum and pass notes all through the trial.

Anonymous said...

Hey kenny, what do you tell your son about former Duke Professor Baker....who sent Rae Evans an email telling her she had given birth to a farm animal? What do you say to him about the Duke 88 who condoned pot banging demonstrations in front of the house with signs that read "Castrate"? And what do you tell him about victoria peterson, the black bigot, who describes gay people as disease ridden perverts? Oh, and how do you explain to him that you look up to a man who associates with this "christian bigot"?

KHF Supporter said...

Ken,

You didn't answer the real question.

So, Ken, shall we discuss Nifong's stupidity, incompetence and laziness? Or was he dishonest and unethical?

I trust that you aren't going to try to say he was "honorable" in his behavior with Crystal in the case?

kenhyderal said...

DA Nifong believed crimes were committed against Crystal but he was stymied because of a shoddy and inadequate Police investigation especially in the days before he assumed responsibitity for the case. That he quickly realized this is shown in his indelicate quote " You know we're f***ed" . A botched investigation will inevitably allow the guilty to walk. The buck for that stops with him. The mistakes made assured that proving his case would not be possible. This situation was quickly exploited by the Player's Defence. That and vindictiveness for daring to go after their sons of privilege meant DA Nifong and Crystal would pay a heavy price.

Was Nifong Honorable? said...

.



Did he treat Crystal honorably at all times?



.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:13 said: "Hey kenny, what do you tell your son about former Duke Professor Baker....who sent Rae Evans an email telling her she had given birth to a farm animal? What do you say to him about the Duke 88 who condoned pot banging demonstrations in front of the house with signs that read "Castrate"? And what do you tell him about victoria peterson, the black bigot, who describes gay people as disease ridden perverts? Oh, and how do you explain to him that you look up to a man who associates with this "christian bigot"........................... I would tell him that Professor Baker was wrong to do that. I would also tell him that the demonstrator supporting Crystal who advocated meeting out mob justice is wrong. I would tell him that in place like North Carolina the majority of people are not in favor of full rights for LGBT people like we have in Canada. Hopefully those who hold such fundamentalist religious views will,like President Obama. eventually change their out of date views and come to accept with love and understranding those who are different. Incidentally, if some of the statements you attribute to Ms.Peterson are accurate, in Canada such words would constitute a prosecutable hate crime.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"DA Nifong believed crimes were committed against Crystal"

No he did not. He thought he had an issue which he could exploit to win the black vote and win a term as DA.

"but he was stymied because of a shoddy and inadequate Police investigation especially in the days before he assumed responsibitity for the case. That he quickly realized this is shown in his indelicate quote 'You know we're f***ed'"

Which meant he had no evidence a crime had been committed but he would prosecute anyway. In the face of such a situation, an ethical DA would not, unlike corrupt DA NIFONG, publicly proclaim a crime had happened. An ethical DA, unlike DA NIFONG, would not have wanted to wrongfully indict innocent men.

"A botched investigation will inevitably allow the guilty to walk."

You have overwhelming evidence no one was guilty.

"The buck for that stops with him. The mistakes made assured that proving his case would not be possible."

What made the case impossible to prove were: 1) Forensic evidence showed definitively that the rape Crystal had claimed could not have happened; 2) there was no medical evidence to prove rape; 3) Crystal could not identify any of those DA NIFONG named as suspects as assailants. An ethical DA would not have attempted to prosecute members of the Lacrosse team under those circumstances. DA NIFONG did.

"This situation was quickly exploited by the Player's Defence."

This situation was that DA NIFONG could not prove the alleged crime happened but tried to prosecute anyway. DA NIFONG, in a graphic display of corrupt lawyering, gave the Defense something to exploit.

'That and vindictiveness for daring to go after their sons of privilege meant DA Nifong and Crystal would pay a heavy price.'

there was no vindictiveness, except on the part of you and SIDNEY. The parents were justifiably outraged that corrupt DA NIFONG was prosecuting their obviously innocent(to everyone except guilt presuming racists) sons for a non existent crime.

You and SIDNEY are vindictive over the fact that the innocent defendants were not wrongfully convicted.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I agree the police investigation was botched. A correctly performed police investigation would have confirmed no crime had happened.

DA NIFONG, when he took over the botched police investigation, did not correct it. He tried to exploit it fr his own personal gain.

DA NIFONG believed his personal welfare(getting a bigger pension) trumped the law, trumped prosecutorial ethics, and trumped the Constitution of the United States.

That why he paid the price, not because of vindictiveness on the part of the Lacrsse players or their families. The price he paid was no where near as heavy as the price he should have paaid.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Mrs. Rae Evans on Crystal(60 Minutes):

"When I'm trying to get over the rage I am thinking about, so deeply, this young woman who has been abused by men all her life. And nobody has abused her more than Mike Nifong,"

That does not sound like vindictiveness - except, maybe to an unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 5:13 said: "Hey kenny, what do you tell your son about former Duke Professor Baker....who sent Rae Evans an email telling her she had given birth to a farm animal? What do you say to him about the Duke 88 who condoned pot banging demonstrations in front of the house with signs that read "Castrate"? And what do you tell him about victoria peterson, the black bigot, who describes gay people as disease ridden perverts? Oh, and how do you explain to him that you look up to a man who associates with this "christian bigot"........................... I would tell him that Professor Baker was wrong to do that. I would also tell him that the demonstrator supporting Crystal who advocated meeting out mob justice is wrong. I would tell him that in place like North Carolina the majority of people are not in favor of full rights for LGBT people like we have in Canada. Hopefully those who hold such fundamentalist religious views will,like President Obama. eventually change their out of date views and come to accept with love and understranding those who are different. Incidentally, if some of the statements you attribute to Ms.Peterson are accurate, in Canada such words would constitute a prosecutable hate crime."

But you would not teach your son it is wrong to presume innocent men guilty of a crime which never happened. The forensic and medical evidence that the crime never happened is overwhelming.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:30 said" Mrs. Rae Evans said "When I'm trying to get over the rage I am thinking about, so deeply, this young woman who has been abused by men all her life. And nobody has abused her more than Mike Nifong,".. ... That's not how Crystal sees it. She considers those that abused her to be people who were at the Duke LaCrosse Party, not DA Nifong. In fact she is a member of The Justice for Nifong Committee. The abuse of her continues unabated by pro Duke LaCrosse Player Groups, such as the Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers and Durham in Wonderland Blogs which have campaigned continuously and viciously, without just cause to destroy her and her reputation. This has made life very difficult for her and caused her and her Children much suffering. In view of that Mrs. Evans' so called concern for Crystal rings rather hollow

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 3:30 said" Mrs. Rae Evans said "When I'm trying to get over the rage I am thinking about, so deeply, this young woman who has been abused by men all her life. And nobody has abused her more than Mike Nifong,".. ... That's not how Crystal sees it. She considers those that abused her to be people who were at the Duke LaCrosse Party, not DA Nifong."

Wrong. Crystal lied about being raped. If she considers herself abused, it is because she does not like the fact that the people she falsely accused of raping her were not convicted, that she did not get a chance to file a civil suit against them.

"In fact she is a member of The Justice for Nifong Committee."

That is just evidence she is vindictive against the innocent men she accused of raping her.

"The abuse of her continues unabated by pro Duke LaCrosse Player Groups, such as the Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers and Durham in Wonderland Blogs which have campaigned continuously and viciously, without just cause to destroy her and her reputation."

No they haven't. They have campaigned tirelessly on behalf of the innocent men she victimized by falsely accusing the of rape. Economic status aside, anyone falsely accused of a non existent crime has been victimized.

"This has made life very difficult for her and caused her and her Children much suffering. In view of that Mrs. Evans' so called concern for Crystal rings rather hollow.

Crystal made her own life had her children's lives miserable, not any innocent Lacrosse player, not any family member of any innocent Lacrosse player, not any defender of any innocent Lacrosse player. The only people perpetuating her misery are people like you who perpetuate the lie that she was raped. Your motivatin is you resent the Lacrosse team because they are better off and more accomplished than you are.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I saw a documentary last night on the Israeli raid on Entebbe, which is a metaphor for what happened in the Duke phoney rape case.

Terrorists hijacked an Air France jet, the passengers of which included more than 100 Jews and Israeli citizens. They forced the jet to fly to Uganda. Once in Uganda, the terrorists held the Jewish passengers hostage, threatening to kill them if certain demands were not met. Idi Amin actively cooperated with the terrorists.

Israel launched a successful rescue operation which rescued most of the hostages at the cost of the deaths of the terrorists, many Ugandan soldiers, and the destruction of much of the Ugandan Air Forcr. In the wake of the raid, Uganda went to the UN and demanded a condemnation of Israel for violating Ugandan Sovereignty.

Crystal wrongfully, falsely accused innocent men of raping her. DA NIFONG wrongfully prosecuted them. They defended themselves quite successfully. Yes there was a party which involved drinking, yes they hired strippers. That does not change the fact that the rape never happened. You blame the innocent, falsely accused, wrongfully prosecuted Lacrosse players for ruining the lives of Crystal and DA NIFONG.

The Lacrosse players would never have had to defend themselves, which is what exposed Crystal and DA NIFONG for what they were, had Crystal and DA NIFONG not done the wrong thing.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Clarification:

You blame the innocent, falsely accused, wrongfully prosecuted Lacrosse players, defending themselves against a wrongful prosecution for ruining the lives of those who instigated the wrongful prosecution.

KHF Supporter said...

Ken:

Answer the question.

WAS NIFONG HONORABLE IN HIS DEALINGS WITH AND STATEMENTS ABOUT CRYSTAL MANGUM?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Hey sidney, perhaps you might want to do some research and find out just how many people facing first degree murder charges elect to fire their lawyers and defend themselves. A highly experienced judge urged Mangum not to dump Vann. I am certain others told her that representing herself is a stupid idea. But not you......oh no, YOU ushed her into a terrible decision. I wonder if attorney number four, Ramadan, will somehow wind up involved. or maybe you and the christian bigot will sit behind Mangum and pass notes all through the trial.


I would have no problem with Crystal being represented by a competent attorney who worked in good faith on her behalf, placing her interests above those of others. Unfortunately, that is not the case as the representation she's received thus far has been inadequately non-existent and traitorous.

Crystal is better off representing herself against two extremely week and baseless charges than she would be if represented by a turncoat defense attorney whose primary objective is to protect Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham.

Let me know if further elucidation is required.

Nifong Supporter said...


kenhyderal said...
No, I don't believe Kilgo was a member of J4N. He was simply a frequent poster here. It was my understanding that he was a student at Duke University and although not a LaCrosse Player, was a friend and contemporary of one of the Players who was, himself, in attendance at the Party when Crystal was sexually assaulted


For the edification of all, j4n members have the courage and commitment to back up their convictions by placing their names and faces on the website.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
I would have no problem with Crystal being represented by a competent attorney who worked in good faith on her behalf, placing her interests above those of others. Unfortunately, that is not the case as the representation she's received thus far has been inadequately non-existent and traitorous."

Another lie for which you get credit. Crystal had competent representation. She no longer has competent representation because your shenanigans(practicing law without a license then expecting the state bar to turn a blind eye to you) have deprived her of adequate legal representation.

"Crystal is better off representing herself against two extremely week and baseless charges than she would be if represented by a turncoat defense attorney whose primary objective is to protect Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham."

You have presented no evidence either that Dr. Nichols falsified the autopsy or that Reginald Daye died as a result of malpractice on the part of Duke. what you have presented in making those claims is evidence you are a totally incompetent excuse for a physician. I once called a physician a stupid 4th rate Chiropractor. I would not call you that. That would be an insult to all Chiropractors. I add, you are living proof that stupid 5th rate physicians exist.

"Let me know if further elucidation is required."

Further elucidation fr you. I do not think a criminal trial would preclude a malpractice lawsuit against Duke. I know the Daye family will have no truck with you. Why don't you try to recruit Dr. Christena Roberts to act as an expert witness for them?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"For the edification of all, j4n members have the courage and commitment to back up their convictions by placing their names and faces on the website."

Did they post their pictures or did you?

In any event, none of the members of your J4N gang have had "the courage or commitment" to post comments on your blog to support either you or Crystal. Not even when you filed your frivolous lawsuit against Duke, not even when you illegally filed motions in support of Crystal, not even when you filed your pity party motion for a Writ of Mandamus, have any of your gang of racists expressed support of you - not even Victoria Peterson - Victory Poo Poo, according to Honey Boo Boo(isn't that just Precious) with whom you seem obsessed.

kenhyderal said...

KHF Supporter said : "WAS NIFONG HONORABLE IN HIS DEALINGS WITH AND STATEMENTS ABOUT CRYSTAL MANGUM?" Another loaded question. I will answer it this way; not entirely so but, in the main, yes.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:23 said :"I agree the police investigation was botched. A correctly performed police investigation would have confirmed no crime had happened".......... You should not have come to such a conclusion until a complete and thorough investigation had turned up all the relevant facts. Pieces of the investigation did turn up some doubt and at that point the Defence was more than happy to see the investigation conclude; just in case a more adequate enquirey would bolster Crystal's accusation.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:22 said: "In fact she is a member of The Justice for Nifong Committee. That is just evidence she is vindictive against the innocent men she accused of raping her"........ Crystal seeks justice. By her own word, Mrs.Rae Evans is the one seeking vengence.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"KHF Supporter said : "WAS NIFONG HONORABLE IN HIS DEALINGS WITH AND STATEMENTS ABOUT CRYSTAL MANGUM?" Another loaded question. I will answer it this way; not entirely so but, in the main, yes."

There is nothing honorable about prosecuting innocent men for a crime which never happened. Only in the mind of an unreasonable, guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 3:23 said :"I agree the police investigation was botched. A correctly performed police investigation would have confirmed no crime had happened".......... You should not have come to such a conclusion until a complete and thorough investigation had turned up all the relevant facts. Pieces of the investigation did turn up some doubt and at that point the Defence was more than happy to see the investigation conclude; just in case a more adequate enquirey would bolster Crystal's accusation."

The one relevant fact that was turned up was that no rape had taken place. In the face of overwhelming evidence that no rape took place, you insisted one did. That suggests you did not want a complete investigation. You wanted the innocent Lacrosse players framed,

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:22 said: "In fact she is a member of The Justice for Nifong Committee. That is just evidence she is vindictive against the innocent men she accused of raping her"........ Crystal seeks justice. By her own word, Mrs.Rae Evans is the one seeking vengence(sic)."

By her own words Rae Evans sought accountability for corrupt DA NIFONG for wrongfully prosecuting her innocent son, her son whom DA NIFONG knew was innocent.

Condoning falsely accusing innocent men of a crime which did not happen, condoning the prosecution of said men, hoe is that acrusade for justice?

You have not, because you can not, present any evidence which documents that Crystal was raped.

Anonymous said...

The point of all this business about Kenny and his son is that, at least from my perspective, it is hypocritical of him to rant and rave about Mangum.....while he whines about Rae Evans. How anybody in their right mind can say that the LAX guys and their supporters somehow made Mangum ruin her life, over and over, with her lousy choices, her immoral behavior and her criminal violence is beyond me. I suppose Kenny thinks Rae Evans somehow made Mangum stab Daye. For pete sake, kenny, are white people responsible for EVERY single evil thing on the planet and in the universe? Do black people EVER take responsibility for themselves and their own behavior? Give me a break!! I am so bleepin tired of hearing about white privilege and white oppression while truly amoral people like Mangum and those scumbags who shot Eve Carson whine. Yes, I know, sidney and kenny crybaby will say this is a racist post. So be it!!! If calling somebody out for using their race as an EXCUSE for their lousy behavior is racist, then fine, that's me. If blaming white people for every bad thing from hang nails to hurricanes is en vogue among the afro-american academic race-class-gender crowd, then fine......let em whine. I say....ALL of us....and I do mean ALL of us.....are responsible for our own choices and the consequences of our actions. Mangum, the victim "princess" of the black panthers, is just another whining excuse-making criminal who refuses to admit she LIED in 2006......four years AFTER her documented criminal life began with her first four convictions.

guiowen said...

Anonymous 2:04, 2:09, 4:46 et al.:
Don't feed the troll. By his own admission , he enjoys fighting. Let him fight with himself. If he ever actually does something, you might start taking him seriously. Until then he's just a troll.

kenhyderal said...
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kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "Don't feed the troll"....... Just one more ad hominen attack. Not everyone who does not buy into your version of The Duke LaCrosse Case is a troll, coming here to provoke and upset. Guiowen, remember the words of Adalai Stevenson("when you're slinging mud you're losing ground") Use reason to convince me, if you can. Don't back away and don't resort to name calling

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:46 said: "For pete sake, kenny, are white people responsible for EVERY single evil thing on the planet and in the universe"............ I wish the many Anonymous Posters, here, would get off their race-based obsession. Crystal happened to be African American and those who assaulted her were not; end of story. Who other than you is using skin colour in their arguments. Who is calling who racist. The unrelenting campaign against Crystal's character made it hard for her to find employment and housing for herself and her children. Every single day for many years she has been publicly called a liar. Slavery and Segregation went on for 192 years in the U.S.A. Although over for two generations there are still unoffically vestiges of racism that exist in places like North Carolina. Ask any of your African American friends and colleagues rich or poor if they have not experienced it. As an outside observer I find it especially rampant in the Justice System but it's also, I understand, present in areas of employment, housing and schooling. It's doesn't seem like a very tolerant place. The recent vote on gay marriage is one example.

guiowen said...

I thought the name was Adlai Stevenson?
I'll take you seriously when you do something.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen said: "Don't feed the troll"....... Just one more ad hominen attack. Not everyone who does not buy into your version of The Duke LaCrosse Case is a troll, coming here to provoke and upset. Guiowen, remember the words of Adalai Stevenson("when you're slinging mud you're losing ground") Use reason to convince me, if you can. Don't back away and don't resort to name calling".

A reasonable person would not insist that innocent men raped false accuser Crystal Mangum in the face of overwhelming evidence that she lied about being raped. No one is flinging mud at you, just the truth.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:46 said: "For pete sake, kenny, are white people responsible for EVERY single evil thing on the planet and in the universe"............ I wish the many Anonymous Posters, here, would get off their race-based obsession."

I wish you would get over your unreasonable guilt presuming blatant unrepentant racism. You sure do not want to confront it.

"Crystal happened to be African American and those who assaulted her were not; end of story."

Crystal lied about being assaulted. End of Story.

"Who other than you is using skin colour in their arguments. Who is calling who racist. The unrelenting campaign against Crystal's character made it hard for her to find employment and housing for herself and her children."

There was no unrelenting campaign to discredit Crystal. Crystal lied about being raped. She was exposed for being a false accuser. Had she not lied about being raped, well it is questionable that her life would be any different. Her history of criminal behavior and a propensity for violence pre dated her attempt to get innocent men wrongfully convicted of raping her.

"Every single day for many years she has been publicly called a liar."

That is not true. Not to say that she hasn't been called a liar on occasion. That happened because she did lie about being raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

"Slavery and Segregation went on for 192 years in the U.S.A. Although over for two generations there are still unoffically vestiges of racism that exist in places like North Carolina. Ask any of your African American friends and colleagues rich or poor if they have not experienced it. As an outside observer I find it especially rampant in the Justice System but it's also, I understand, present in areas of employment, housing and schooling. It's doesn't seem like a very tolerant place. The recent vote on gay marriage is one example."

There is no question there are racists still among us. As you continue to insist that Crystal was raped in the face of overwhelming evidence that she was not, and continue to attribute it to racism, you are singularly unqualified to comment on racism in the justice system. You close your eyes to the fact that it was black on white racism that allowed the phoney Duke rape case to become the issue it did.

Anonymous said...

"guiowen said...

I thought the name was Adlai Stevenson?
I'll take you seriously when you do something."

KENHYDERAL thinks his inability to spell, to use an online dictionary or to use a spell checker is a mark of his greatness. He thinks he is the equivalent of people like Albert Einstein or Winston Churchill. Not surprising since he believes his crusade to have innocent men convicted of raping false accuser Crystal makes him a crusader for justice.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 3:23 said :"I agree the police investigation was botched. A correctly performed police investigation would have confirmed no crime had happened".......... You should not have come to such a conclusion until a complete and thorough investigation had turned up all the relevant facts. Pieces of the investigation did turn up some doubt and at that point the Defence was more than happy to see the investigation conclude; just in case a more adequate enquirey would bolster Crystal's accusation."

What makes you think "a more adequate enquirey would bolster Crystal's accusation."? Because you believe she was raped in the face of overwhelming evidence she was not? Or perhaps, because anonymous unverifiable poster Kilgo gave you information from another anonymous unverifiable source? You should not have made that comment until and unless you could verify the information you got put forth as evidence that Crystal was raped.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

To my last comment, it was the responsibility of DA NIFONG to correct the botched investigation, once he took it over and he did not. You have commented on the failure to identify the men who deposited DNA on Crystal. You blatantly ignore the fact that DA NIFONG deliberately concealed from the defendants and from the court that the only DNA found on Crystal's person, DNA from multiple men in multiple areas of her person, did not match the people DA NIFONG tried to convict for the case. Do you think that furthered the cause of justice.

You probably do, since you have no concept of what justice in this case would have been.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You claim that the police botched the investigation of Crystal's rape claim. When it was pointed out to you that DA NIFONG controlled the investigation you said that the investigation was botched before DA NIFONG took over. Maybe you could specify how the police botched the investigation.

Do you think taking a rape kit and then getting an NTO ordering each and every member of the Lacrosse team to submit samples for DNA testing, to submit to photographs was botching the investigation?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

This was posted by Quasimodo on the appropriately named Liestoppers today:

"
Why did the DPD turn the case over to Nifong?

When has the DPD ever turned a case over to a DA?

The answer to that would probably reveal that the DPD knew that there
was no case; and that prosecuting it would involve fraud.

Ergo, it wanted nothing to do with the case."

That is a logical, credible explanation of why you called the investigation botched. Of course, because you have an unreasnable guilt presuming bias against the defendants(and the reason why has been specified) you will not find it credible.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

More from Quasimodo:

"Those who wanted it prosecuted knew that Nifong's taking charge would remove oversight
by DPD superiors (and hence preclude their halting the investigation);

and possibly give the entire case a cloak of immunity since Nifong's immunity as DA is absolute."

Now go and get p---ed off.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

This comes from the appropriately named Liestoppers, from poster Quasimodo, a quote from "The Myth of Moral Justice
Why Our Legal System Fails to Do What's Right"
By Thane Rosenbaum:

"

A settlement amounts to an entirely lawful, economically efficient bribe. It is a gag order
without a judge issuing an actual order.

It is the whole noise of the judicial system drowning out the heartache.

What a settlement says between the lines... is the following:

If you sign this agreement and cash this check, you can no longer carry a public grudge.
You cannot speak ill of me. I know you came here to speak, but I am paying you to shut up.
You cannot tell the world what I have done to you, or how I have failed you. In fact, the
receipt of this check is in no way an admission of any fault on my part at all. It is simply
offered to make you go away, along with your story, which I never wanted to hear anyway.
Enjoy your money, because that's all the satisfaction you can take away from this lawsuit.
And never, absolutely never, complain about this matter again--to me or to anyone.

What is moral about such a resolution? "

It is relevant to the issue of why Duke settled with the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players rather than defend against them.

It might also be relevant to why Duke did not settle with you. You did not have any case against them.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

This comes from the appropriately named Liestoppers, from poster Quasimodo, a quote from "The Myth of Moral Justice
Why Our Legal System Fails to Do What's Right"
By Thane Rosenbaum:

"

A settlement amounts to an entirely lawful, economically efficient bribe. It is a gag order
without a judge issuing an actual order.

It is the whole noise of the judicial system drowning out the heartache.

What a settlement says between the lines... is the following:

If you sign this agreement and cash this check, you can no longer carry a public grudge.
You cannot speak ill of me. I know you came here to speak, but I am paying you to shut up.
You cannot tell the world what I have done to you, or how I have failed you. In fact, the
receipt of this check is in no way an admission of any fault on my part at all. It is simply
offered to make you go away, along with your story, which I never wanted to hear anyway.
Enjoy your money, because that's all the satisfaction you can take away from this lawsuit.
And never, absolutely never, complain about this matter again--to me or to anyone.

What is moral about such a resolution? "

It is relevant to the issue of why Duke settled with the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players rather than defend against them.

It might also be relevant to why Duke did not settle with you. You did not have any case against them.


Hah! I don't think so. What did Duke University do to the three Duke Lacrosse defendant student athlete partygoers that made them settle for $20 million each? Face it, Duke University was trying to scam their insurance company into paying the $60 million... only it didn't work out. So they got stuck with the tab. Joseph Cheshire probably convinced Duke that the insurance company would make the payout.

In my case, Duke is just trying to bully and abuse me because I am not one of the powerful, privileged, and wealthy. That's what big corporations do... go after the ordinary people who they believe can't defend themselves.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"
I would have no problem with Crystal being represented by a competent attorney who worked in good faith on her behalf, placing her interests above those of others. Unfortunately, that is not the case as the representation she's received thus far has been inadequately non-existent and traitorous."

Another lie for which you get credit. Crystal had competent representation. She no longer has competent representation because your shenanigans(practicing law without a license then expecting the state bar to turn a blind eye to you) have deprived her of adequate legal representation.

"Crystal is better off representing herself against two extremely week and baseless charges than she would be if represented by a turncoat defense attorney whose primary objective is to protect Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham."

You have presented no evidence either that Dr. Nichols falsified the autopsy or that Reginald Daye died as a result of malpractice on the part of Duke. what you have presented in making those claims is evidence you are a totally incompetent excuse for a physician. I once called a physician a stupid 4th rate Chiropractor. I would not call you that. That would be an insult to all Chiropractors. I add, you are living proof that stupid 5th rate physicians exist.

"Let me know if further elucidation is required."

Further elucidation fr you. I do not think a criminal trial would preclude a malpractice lawsuit against Duke. I know the Daye family will have no truck with you. Why don't you try to recruit Dr. Christena Roberts to act as an expert witness for them?


If legal representation for Crystal was so competent and wonderful, tell me one thing they accomplished. They conducted no investigation, filed no motions of substance, and allowed their client to languish in jail for more than 600 days on two bogus trumped up charges.

It's not that they're incompetent... they're turncoats, trying to shield Dr. Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"For the edification of all, j4n members have the courage and commitment to back up their convictions by placing their names and faces on the website."

Did they post their pictures or did you?

In any event, none of the members of your J4N gang have had "the courage or commitment" to post comments on your blog to support either you or Crystal. Not even when you filed your frivolous lawsuit against Duke, not even when you illegally filed motions in support of Crystal, not even when you filed your pity party motion for a Writ of Mandamus, have any of your gang of racists expressed support of you - not even Victoria Peterson - Victory Poo Poo, according to Honey Boo Boo(isn't that just Precious) with whom you seem obsessed.

Technically I physically posted the photos of the j4n members on the website, but did so with their permission and as the only requisite for joining.

By joining the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong and allowing their names and faces to be posted, they are showing extraordinary courage... more so than by commenting on a blog.

Actually, you have gall to challenge their valor when you yourself post comments on this blog site as an "Anonymous."

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY! LISTEN UP, EVERYBODY.
Important question!!

Does anyone know how my Blog Bro is doing? It's been nearly a month since KC Johnson has posted anything on Durham-In-Wonderland... and I am concerned for his welfare. Has he fled the country? Has he gone underground? If anyone knows how KC is doing, please let me know so it can put my mind at ease.

(Note: If the Ecuadorian Consulate won't take him in, I'm sure that he can find sanctuary in the Venezuelan Embassy... I'll even put in a few kind words on his behalf with Hugo.)

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Hah! I don't think so. What did Duke University do to the three Duke Lacrosse defendant student athlete partygoers that made them settle for $20 million each?"

You should ask that question of Duke, not me. Duke, however, would not tell you. As the quote points out, an institution like Duke settles rather than defends because it wants to keep embarrassing information from going public. By asking your Hah! question, you show only how really stupid you are.

"Face it, Duke University was trying to scam their insurance company into paying the $60 million... only it didn't work out. So they got stuck with the tab. Joseph Cheshire probably convinced Duke that the insurance company would make the payout."

You confirm how really stupid you are.

"In my case, Duke is just trying to bully and abuse me because I am not one of the powerful, privileged, and wealthy. That's what big corporations do... go after the ordinary people who they believe can't defend themselves."

Is that what Duke wants to keep silent about the Duke phoney rape case, that they went after the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players because Duke believed they could not defend themselves? If so, how wrong they were.

You went after Duke, probably hoping to shake them down for $20 million. You have no first hand knowledge of what Duke paid.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"If legal representation for Crystal was so competent and wonderful, tell me one thing they accomplished. They conducted no investigation, filed no motions of substance, and allowed their client to languish in jail for more than 600 days on two bogus trumped up charges."

You mean they did not buy into your totally delusional version of Reginald Daye's slaying.

"It's not that they're incompetent... they're turncoats, trying to shield Dr. Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham."

You have presented no evidence that either Dr. Nichols, Duke University Hospital or Durham has anything to conceal. You again confirm how stupid you are.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Technically I physically posted the photos of the j4n members on the website, but did so with their permission and as the only requisite for joining.

By joining the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong and allowing their names and faces to be posted, they are showing extraordinary courage... more so than by commenting on a blog."

How?

Actually, you have gall to challenge their valor when you yourself post comments on this blog site as an 'Anonymous.'"

What valor?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR;

"Does anyone know how my Blog Bro is doing? It's been nearly a month since KC Johnson has posted anything on Durham-In-Wonderland..."

Who? KC Johnson gives no indication he considers you his
"bro". So you must be imagining there is another KC Johnson out there.

"and I am concerned for his welfare."

BULLSHIT!!!!!

"Has he fled the country? Has he gone underground? If anyone knows how KC is doing, please let me know so it can put my mind at ease."

What would put your mind at ease is if he did flee the country or gone underground. You can not stand the truth he publishes. And for the third time today you show how totally stupid you are.

"(Note: If the Ecuadorian Consulate won't take him in, I'm sure that he can find sanctuary in the Venezuelan Embassy... I'll even put in a few kind words on his behalf with Hugo.)"

That is a laugh. Neither Ecuador nor Venezuela would look forward to taking in a delusional, stupid megalomaniac like you.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Considering how you function, your next move will be to sue KC Johnson for emotional damages because he considers you not worth noticing.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

I revise an earlier comment.

Duke would not settle with you because Duke knew any information you could make public would embarrass you, not Duke.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

When are you going to contact the Daye family and suggest they file a malpractice suit against Duke. If they have a cause if action against Duke(which the innocent Lacrosse players did - Duke would not have settled if they had no cause of action which Duke did not want made public), a lot of contingency fee hungry lawyers would be lining up to represent them. If Duke settled with the Daye family rather than defend, that would be strong circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing n Duke's part(like Duke settling with the innocent Lacrosse players was strong circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing on Duke's part, even if you are too stupid to realize it).

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You may now return to obsessing about Hney Boo Boo.

Anonymous said...

OK, so, Bro.....you proudly display the photo of Victoria Peterson.....the racist BIGOT who describes gay people as "disease ridden perverts". That's really nice, sidney. It speaks volumes about you.....and the kind of hypocritical XXXX you are. To invoke the name of Jesus in your self righteous rantings while you suck up to a narrow minded homophobic racist like Peterson ......just well, it just says it all, doesn't it. We all have known what a racist you are......your behavior confirms it over and over. We all also know what a homophobe you are. What other prejudices do you hold? Against Jews? Against women? Oh, I forgot, you only hate white women......black women get a pass.
Spare us all your false Christian blatherings, sidney.....your real character has been showing for a very long time.

Anonymous said...

Your attempts at being comical about Professor Johnson are boring, sidney. Not remotely funny and not remotely cute. KC Johnson lines the trash bucket with your writings....... Real writers, with real degrees, and real national honors, and real professorships at prestigious universities, and real best selling academic as well as professional publications.....do NOT, I repeat, do NOT have time to waste wiping the kitchen floor with your dribble.
I hate to break it to you, sidney, but Johnson simply does not give a damn what you think.....and guess what, neither do the rest of us. Oh yeah, I guess Kenny and the rest of the wing nuts still carry their club membership cards in their wallets.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 9:43 11-24-12 said: "and(you)continue to attribute it to racism, you are singularly unqualified to comment on racism in the justice system".......................... I have never ever suggested the sexual assault on Crystal was racially motivated. I believe it was a case of mysogeny,classism and a sense of privilege and entitlement that these athletes displayed, both by their behaviour and by their actions. I believe, regardless of the race of the girls the agency sent, attempts would of been made to drug and sexually assault one of them. Such was their jock culture of male chauvinism and superiority. I would love to here from some Duke co-eds about thier assessment of these so-called campus heros.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 9:43 11-24-12 said: "and(you)continue to attribute it to racism, you are singularly unqualified to comment on racism in the justice system".......................... I have never ever suggested the sexual assault on Crystal was racially motivated. I believe it was a case of mysogeny,classism and a sense of privilege and entitlement that these athletes displayed, both by their behaviour and by their actions."

There was no assault on Crystal. There was only Crystal's false allegation of an assault. The prosecution of innocent men for the crime which never happened was what racially motivated. Your support for the racially motivated wrongful prosecution makes you a racist.

"I believe, regardless of the race of the girls the agency sent, attempts would of been made to drug and sexually assault one of them.

You believe an assault happened in spite of overwhelming evidence that no assault happened, which is evidence of your bias against those who were accused(which I believe is due to a racist attitude on your part).

"Such was their jock culture of male chauvinism and superiority."

You have provided no evidence that this was a factor in Crystal's false allegations of rape.

"I would love to here from some Duke co-eds about thier(sic) assessment of these so-called campus heros(sic).

Why would any intelligent coed from any university want to talk to you. Maybe that is the reason for your resentment of the Lacrosse team. From all accounts, many Duke coeds were genuinely attracted to them.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Here is a quote from Aldous Huxley(with an inswertion from me):

"Facts(like the fact that Crystal was not raped) do not cease to exist because they are ignored

Anonymous said...

Correction of Typo:

KENHYDERAL:

Here is a quote from Aldous Huxley(with an insertion from me):

"Facts(like the fact that Crystal was not raped) do not cease to exist because they are ignored".

Anonymous said...

The troll is crawling out from under his bridge again. Please do not feed the troll.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:05 said: "You believe an assault happened in spite of overwhelming evidence that no assault happened, which is evidence of your bias against those who were accused(which I believe is due to a racist attitude on your part".............Incorrect; the race of the perpetrators is totally inconsequential to me. Your belief about me, like your belief about Crystal and so many of those who support her is completely wrong. You are a victim of the propaganda campaign to disredit Crystal and any who dare to stand by her.

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