Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Dr. Christena L. Roberts – the newest addition of conspirators against Mangum

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In a Durham courtroom last Friday, December 7, 2012, Defense Attorney Woody Vann, who was appointed as Crystal Mangum’s backup assistant, brought before the court his scheduled Monday, December 10th meeting with Black Mountain forensic pathologist Christena L. Roberts, M.D., and an unidentified member from the Capital Defender’s office where the tête-à-tête was to take place. This clandestine meeting had been arranged by Mr. Vann without the knowledge of Ms. Mangum, the murder defendant who is representing herself with his appointment as a backup assistant. The stated purpose of this meeting was to discuss Dr. Roberts’ sudden concerns about the privacy rights of the deceased Reginald Daye (the intoxicated abuser who was stabbed by Mangum in self-defense on April 3, 2011). Upon hearing about this gathering for the first time while at her court hearing, Mangum expressed her desire to be present.

Honorable Judge Michael O’Foghludha, one of a revolving door of black robers to preside over Mangum’s hearings, instructed for her to be in attendance (brought over from jail in chains and leg irons) at the get-together. However, the judge set a condition that the meeting was to consist only of Dr. Roberts, Mr. Vann, an unidentified person from the Capital Defense office, and Crystal Mangum. In other words, Sidney B. Harr, a retired physician and supporter of Mangum, was not invited.

In my blog of December 8, 2012, I made the following insightful and prophetic statements:

“A written report by Roberts for a ten hour investigation not completed after more than five months? It doesn’t make sense. What does make since is her desire not to produce a written report about Reginald Daye’s death or the autopsy report by North Carolina Deputy Chief Medical Examiner Clay Nichols. Dr. Roberts is well aware that any report she drafts will directly implicate Duke University Hospital in Daye’s death, and it will support my contention, all along, that Medical Examiner Nichols’ autopsy report of April 14, 2011, contains false findings and an unsupported conclusion regarding Daye’s death. In addition, the report will sink the prosecution’s claim that Mangum’s stabbing of Daye (which was in self-defense) was the direct and proximate cause of his death.”

I also stated as follows regarding this mysterious meeting arranged behind Mangum’s back and its objectives:

“Why travel all the way from Black Mountain, NC, to Durham just in order to give Crystal Mangum a verbal report only… which is what I am expecting. My expectation is that after five months with no written report at hand, Dr. Christena Roberts has no intention of putting in writing the sins of Dr. Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham. This trip, I believe, is part of an intricate ploy to attempt to address Judge Robert Hobgood’s order to provide Ms. Mangum with a written report and yet still not put anything in writing. It’s time for the gamesmanship by Durham prosecutors and turncoat defense attorneys to stop and for Dr. Roberts to immediately provide Mangum with a written report as directed by Judge Hobgood.”

And, for good measure, using Sherlockian deduction, I averred:

“If a written report from Dr. Roberts is forthcoming on the possible Monday visit, I will be shocked.” Unfortunately, I was not shocked… this Monday, December 10th, there was no report from Dr. Roberts.

On Monday, December 10, 2012, at about 3:00 pm, Vann, Roberts, and Mangum convened at the Capital Defenders office, without the presence of the unidentified person from the office. This meeting, most likely orchestrated by Mr. Vann was to help the forensic pathologist Dr. Roberts contravene Judge Robert Hobgood’s order to produce a written report (about Reginald Daye’s death and autopsy) and turn it over to Crystal Mangum. Judge O’Foghludha’s order limiting attendees at this meeting (in particular excluding Mangum supporter Dr. Harr) left Ms. Mangum, a tethered lamb, in a den of famished jackals. Had Dr. Harr been invited to the soiree to look after Mangum’s interests, you can bet that Dr. Roberts would have been a no-show.

For what Ms. Mangum estimated to be three hours, she stated that Dr. Roberts went over the April 14, 2011 Autopsy Examination Report prepared by Dr. Clay Nichols, the North Carolina Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, point by point. According to Mangum, the doctor stated that Dr. Nichols’ autopsy report was essentially accurate. When queried about the perforation to the left lung mentioned in the autopsy report and its absence in the operative report, Dr. Roberts tried to convince Mangum that it is possible for surgeons to miss certain lesions that are found at autopsy… in other words, the emergency department doctors, radiologists, and trauma surgeons at Duke University Hospital, missed a laceration to the left lung and diaphragm. This explanation is a variant on another explanation given earlier from Dr. Roberts via Woody Vann which explained that the lesion to the left lung was caused by the insertion of a chest tube… in other words, Duke University Hospital medical staff injured Daye’s left lung while introducing a chest tube. I am not sure what explanation Dr. Roberts gave for the autopsy report stating that the fundus of the stomach had a sutured laceration whereas the operative report mentioned that the stomach appeared to be normal. In addition to discrepancies between the autopsy report and other medical records of Daye with regards to the left kidney and diaphragm, there is also the question of the multiple left upper extremity lesions described by Dr. Nichols as “defensive injuries”… their presence being contradicted by a preoperative orthopedic consultation and EMS assessment of Daye at the scene. Not only that, but prosecution discovery photographs showed no lesions to the left upper extremity, neither during his hospitalization nor postmortem.

At this meeting, Dr. Roberts and Attorney Vann spent three hours attempting to convince Crystal Mangum that the autopsy report by Dr. Clay Nichols was accurate and correct, and that the case against her was strong. In particular, they tried to make her believe that if they were to produce a written report, it would be detrimental to her case, and be subject to retrieval by the prosecution. This makes absolutely no sense because if the prosecution wanted, they could easily hire their own forensic pathologist to review the autopsy report… but they won’t, because it knows that that would only bring to light the flaws of the Nichols report.

In avoiding the order by Judge Hobgood for Dr. Roberts to produce a written report and send it to Mangum, Dr. Roberts and Woody Vann are hoping that this Monday meeting is a satisfactory substitute. Dr. Roberts even went so far as to say to Mangum that she would not produce a written report. She also told Ms. Mangum that she had not yet completed her investigation.

Well, congratulations are in order for Mr. Vann who has successfully turned Dr. Roberts to the Dark Side… welcoming her to the growing list of conspirators bent on convicting Mangum (the victim of domestic violence) of the first degree murder of Reginald Daye – whose death for which she was not responsible. All along, since he was first appointed by the Court to represent Crystal Mangum against charges related to the April 3, 2011 incident, Mr. Vann’s mission was to work with the prosecution in convicting Mangum, to protect Medical Examiner Clay Nichols (who went out of his way to prepare a fraudulent report to facilitate a murder conviction with a life sentence), to conceal Duke University Hospital’s culpability in Daye’s death, and to eliminate any legal liability against the City of Durham for its malicious prosecution and unjust incarceration of Mangum.

Dr. Christena L. Roberts finds herself entrapped in this legal morass of false statements and intrigue, without an easy means with which to extricate herself. Had she been cognizant of the pitfalls beforehand of being forced to tell the truth and incriminating the state’s deputy chief medical examiner, Dr. Roberts would never have undertaken the assignment. Realistically, there is no other medical examiner or physician in the Tar Heel State who would be willing to review Reginald Daye’s death and autopsy. That is because they all lack Nifongian courage*. They’re afraid to buck the Powers-That-Be.

For Dr. Roberts to defy Judge Hobgood’s order to provide a written report to Mangum is an outrage and affront to the principles of equal justice for all. Mangum is deserving of it so that she can prepare her defense. The defiance of Hobgood’s order along with the entire vendetta-driven case is a humongous blot on the state of North Carolina, and all Durhamians and Tar Heelians should be shamed and embarrassed by it.

Unfortunately, the mainstream media, which has shown much interest in cell phone records of former UNC football coach Butch Davis, and the many parking tickets accrued by UNC football players that were surreptitiously paid off, lacks even a scintilla of apparent curiosity about the autopsy report by Dr. Clay Nichols… despite the report’s inconsistencies and contradictions with other medical records that are easily understandable by anyone with a fifth grade reading comprehension level. By assuming a position of ignorance of the misdeeds and malfeasances associated with the Mangum’s prosecution based on Nichols’ criminally fraudulent autopsy report, the mainstream media, both locally and nationally, can join the Durham prosecutorial team, Mangum’s defense attorneys, and now Dr. Christena L. Roberts in protecting the state’s Deputy Chief Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham. By not providing a written report, Dr. Roberts is protecting herself, as well. 


* “Nifongian courage” is from the Dictionary of Harr and is defined as: “the courage to do the right thing in the face of the most harsh and extreme consequences.”

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Anonymous said...

You can say whatever you want about our country. Your right. Enjoy Dubai. They love people like you over there.

Anonymous said...

Meant to say multiple convictions.

Anonymous said...

Would your Canadian government have sterilized Mangum? I wonder. They do it in Dubai. Suppose you didn't know that though.

Anonymous said...

Your sweetie is a common seller of her sexual favors. Most of us could care less. You don't like it. Tough.

Anonymous said...

Kenny is having one of his nationalistic meltdowns. Poor thing. Trolls do have ego issues though. Must be that same issues that saintly Mangum mentioned when she jokingly commented that she made fun of Walker about his manly parts. Poor Kenny.......

kenhyderal said...

As I have documented here before this same outrage went on in the US as well.

Anonymous said...

Please do not feed the troll. It is having a little troll fit......
Hooray for Roberts and Vann.....

Lance The Intern said...

"As usual the US is generations behind; like, for instance, in abolishing slavery, in inter-racial marriage, in civil rights,in segregation, in universal, single payer, health care, in gays in the military, in gay marriage, in sensible gun restrictions etc.,etc.."

You should have Sid put these in all of his legal petitions. I'm sure it will only help his efforts.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I'll stop telling the truth about the United States if you'll stop lying about Crystal."

You may be telling some truths about the US. There are things we do need to correct. One is not collective attitude towards Crystal. YOU ARE the one lying about Crystal.

Anonymous said...

I am always amazed by the hypocrisy of people like Kenny and Sidney.......who love to tear down our country, make blanket criticisms, complain about our democracy, whine about capitalism, and so on.......while they suck off all that America offers and enjoy all her freedoms. Try belittling and criticizing in Iraq, try bellowing about goverment in Iran or Eqypt or Cuba. We are a country of many many problems .....and yet.....in this country, people like you can criticize without getting shot or burned up. People like you can use our system and enjoy it.....being the hypocrites you are.
So , yes, please do continue your ranting, troll.

Anonymous said...

Hey Lance, I re-read the H-S story that spoke to the judge's instruction to Roberts about a report. The H-S account did not say the judge told Vann to get a WRITTEN report from Roberts......most likely because the judge knew that a WRITTEN report would be subject to discovery. I do not buy into Sidney's nonsense about Roberts and his imaginary jihad, so I think Roberts was trying to be helpful to Mangum.....telling her the truth.......that she, Roberts, found nothing of substance wrong with the documentation and that putting this in writing would not be helpful to Mangum. Leaving Sidney's conspiracy theories aside, it seems to me that Mangum's only substantive evidence to support her claim of self defense would have been documentation of her own beating at the hands of Daye, as in the photos, and it's just not there. She has a very weak case, at this point, though I don't see how this is first degree.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Note that Harr has yet to tell us his tale about what the NC Bar said in its recent letter to him.
Also note that Harr has failed to explain the fact that a witness heard a female voice saying, "I'm going to fccc you up".....from the Daye apartment.
Also note that Harr has never apologized for lying about the demolition timing of the old LAX house.
Further, note that Harr has never apologized for accusing Durham officers of setting the fire in the Walker apartment. (a lie he told)
Harr has never admitted that he has lied repeatedly in calling Daye a violent woman-beating alcoholic...
Harr has never admitted that he lied about his role in the preparation and submission of the motions filed for Mangum.....
and so on, and so on........the list of lies, distortions, halftruths, and heresay continues to build.......


Yes, it was my intention to post the motion by the State Bar and my response, however an urgent matter came up and I will post them after Christmas. The Urgent project that I am working on will be available this Saturday by a link here in the comment section.

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous @ 4:01...... Only in the US ???? This is true in scores of nations; many more democratic then the US.

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance The Intern said...
"I know you are anxious, but you'll have to hold on to your horses for a couple of days. I am working on my brilliant response, and as soon as I have completed it, I will post it along with the Complaint made by the State Bar."

Come on, Sid - You posted this 6 days ago! Surely someone as, er, knowledgeable as yourself could complete a response to the State Bar in that time.


Intern, it took me approximately 28 hours to draft my response to the motion by the State Bar, and I filed my response with the Court one week after I received the Bar's Motion for Permanent Injunction. My 33 page Response will be posted shortly after Christmas.

Anonymous said...

I will be interested to see how much of Sidney's 33 page reply is responsive to the bar's inquiry and how much of it is a gratuitous, inflammatory rant about Mangum and against the Duke lacrosse players.

kenhyderal said...

It was gratifying to see that the greedy lawsuits by the Duke LaCrose Trial Lawyers against The City (and People) of Durham was dimissed by the US Court of Appeals. Those poor Trial Lawyers have spent hundred of thousands of billable hours all in vane. Although they can still proceed against Gottleib and Himan. This will be a big waste of time as these individuals, like former DA Nifong do not have sufficent resources to even begin to cover the legal fees that have been run up and, these individuals can, like DA Nifong, declare bankruptcy on the basis of any potential liability. Most likely the Trial Lawyers were working on contingency but it would not surprise me if they now turn on their clients and try to get some compensation from them for all the work they have put in. Duke University, unlike the City, folded unnecessarily. They thought their Insurance Company would be the one on the hook. Instead it was their students. "The mills of the Gods grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine"-Sextus

Lance The Intern said...

"Those poor Trial Lawyers have spent hundred of thousands of billable hours all in vane."

Just as you have apparently spent hundreds of hours (and perhaps thousands of dollars)on education...in "vane"

kenhyderal said...

and never the twain shall "meat"

Anonymous said...

well, at least we know the troll is feeling all happy and puffed up. goody for him. I invite Kenny hissy to spew his anti-american rant whenever and wherever he wishes. we will understand and consider the source. meantime, we will also note that people like him, with marginal education and intelligence, need to overcompensate in order to make themselves feel good.
come on, troll.....tell us all how bad America is......
as if we care what you think

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"It was gratifying to see that the greedy lawsuits by the Duke LaCrose Trial Lawyers against The City (and People) of Durham was dimissed by the US Court of Appeals. Those poor Trial Lawyers have spent hundred of thousands of billable hours all in vane. Although they can still proceed against Gottleib and Himan. This will be a big waste of time as these individuals, like former DA Nifong do not have sufficent resources to even begin to cover the legal fees that have been run up and, these individuals can, like DA Nifong, declare bankruptcy on the basis of any potential liability. Most likely the Trial Lawyers were working on contingency but it would not surprise me if they now turn on their clients and try to get some compensation from them for all the work they have put in. Duke University, unlike the City, folded unnecessarily. They thought their Insurance Company would be the one on the hook. Instead it was their students. "The mills of the Gods grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine"-Sextus"

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Judge not lest ye be judged.

Both are Biblical in origin although not exact quotes, neither of which unreasonable blatant guilt presuming unrepentant racist Kenny believes is applicable to him.

KENNY, SIDNEY has not been able to explain this. I bet you can not either. If Duke could prevail in court against the Lacrosse players, why would they have settled. No defendant in a big bucks civil suit is going to take advice from Plaintiffs' counsel and cave in to the Plaitiffs because their counsel assured them that their liability carrier would cover the settlement.

So far as the dismissed lawsuits, itmeans that the defendants, like Crystal the cab thief got a break rather than accountability.

Now provide proof that Crystal was raped. Do this without presuming guilt, by not making unsupported allegations, by not dragging in red herrings.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Yes, it was my intention to post the motion by the State Bar and my response, however an urgent matter came up and I will post them after Christmas. The Urgent project that I am working on will be available this Saturday by a link here in the comment section."

Any one want to bet that the urgent matter will be a pro se writ of some kind, demanding the court compel Dr. Roberts to produce a written report and allowing HARR to see it.

Since SIDNEY is demanding a report which conforms to his view of the situation, and sice his view of the situation is contrived, isn't he attempting to suborn perjury.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Explain why Crystal did not file a civil suit against the Lacrosse players. If she had a case against them, wouldn't they have settled, the way Dominick Strauss Kahn settled with Ms. Diallo?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Intern, it took me approximately 28 hours to draft my response to the motion by the State Bar, and I filed my response with the Court one week after I received the Bar's Motion for Permanent Injunction. My 33 page Response will be posted shortly after Christmas."

This promises to be the longest compendium of reasons why the non existent carpetbagger jihad is against SIDNEY.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone suppose that SIDNEY has been enjoined to refrain from further attempts to inject himself into the Reginald Daye stabbing case?

Lance The Intern said...

"My 33 page Response will be posted shortly after Christmas."

True justice doesn't take a holiday.

kenhyderal said...
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kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Explain why Crystal did not file a civil suit against the Lacrosse players" ....... Crystal's priority, at present, is to beat the bogus first degree murder charge that she faces. Her civil suits against those that sexually asaulted her awaits new evidence, soon forthcoming, that will identify those persons who who had perpetrated the crime and those who aided and abetted them. Those who have defamed her will also be held accountable.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "Explain why Crystal did not file a civil suit against the Lacrosse players" ....... Crystal's priority, at present, is to beat the bogus first degree murder charge that she faces. Her civil suits against those that sexually asaulted her awaits new evidence, soon forthcoming, that will identify those persons who who had perpetrated the crime and those who aided and abetted them. Those who have defamed her will also be held accountable."

DODGE DODGE DODGE. The issue was, after the AG exonerated the Lacrosse players, Crystal stated she had been assaulted. She did not put her money where her mouth was, probably because she had no evidence with which to make a case. There will be no evidence forthcoming, as there was no rape.

Anonymous said...

Walt and Lance have no doubt read it.....KC has a heat piece on the Duke case rulings. And, of course, excellent commentary on Liestoppers. It's a pleasure to read and learn. On the other hand, this site is pure comic relief.
Now what, sidney, gonna tell us all about the evil Roberts and her ties to Rae Evans?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen said: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"......... It isn't the heat that will drive me away from here it's the stench of racism."

Maybe if you took a bath every once in a while you wouldn't notice the stench.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Yes, it was my intention to post the motion by the State Bar and my response, however an urgent matter came up and I will post them after Christmas. The Urgent project that I am working on will be available this Saturday by a link here in the comment section."

If you are referring to the dismissal of the Lacrosse lawsuits, I have been aware of that for more than a week. Where have you been? Probably ogling Honey Boo Boo.

Anonymous said...

"I'll remind" Ken Edwards that he "may be exposing [himself] to a future civil suit for defamation." His repetitions of "accusations about" Duke lacrosse players aiding and abetting and/or covering up a rape by mystery rapists "have no basis in fact."

kenhyderal said...

Maybe OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony will sue me as well.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Maybe OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony will sue me as well."

I doubt that. You are not worth the effort.

Anonymous said...

Nobody is going to sue you, hissy boy....just like nobody is going to press charges against Mangum for lying about the LAX rape hoax. You and Mangum many much in common....including your ability to fantasize.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't the father of the third Mangum child none other than ex-convict Matt M? And didn't she get in trouble while in the Navy for fooling around while she was married? Just like she got herself pregnant by Matt M. while she was still married to husband number two? Oh well, without a scorecard, I guess it's hard to keep track.

Lance The Intern said...

Why those (like Sid and KenHyderal) should be concerned about the recent 4th Circuit opinion regarding the falsely accused lacrosse players and their federal civil rights claim:

With this decision, The 4th circuit has now officially stated that it's possible to frame innocent people without incurring federal civil rights violations, provided that:
1) The police are candid in discussions with the prosecutor that no evidence exists against the innocent people (even if, at the same time, at least one police officer misleads the grand jury)
2) The police can claim the prosecutor made the decision to indict.

Basically, if the prosecutor has obtained a grand jury indictment (such as was done with Crystal Mangum), there is no way that the accused could at a later date successfully file a civil rights claim within the 4th Circuit. Regardless of their guilt or innocence.

But hey, as long as you're "gratified", I'm good. I'm gratified you understand the repercussions of this decision.

kenhyderal said...

Well, as the old saying goes a DA can indict a ham sandwich. They all have this latitude but, to hold a City, it's Agents and it's Citizens liable for such an indictment, on charges that were later dropped, claiming this violated their civil rights, that is a stretch. I think greed got in the way of rationality here and the Court told them to "get real". So yes, I'm gratified that their effort to further exploit this situation has been stymied.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 1:56 said: "And didn't she get in trouble while in the Navy for fooling around while she was married?"........... No she did not. This is just one more example of the lies widly circulated by the Duke LaCrosse Defence

Anonymous said...

no, actually she did., Kenny. Look it up.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"...Anonymous @ 1:56 said: "And didn't she get in trouble while in the Navy for fooling around while she was married?"........... No she did not. This is just one more example of the lies widly circulated by the Duke LaCrosse Defence".

The Lacrosse defense attorneys circulated no lies about Crystal. On the other hand KENHYDERAL does circulate lies about the Lacdrosse case, the most egregious of which is that Crystal was raped early in the morning of 14 March 2006.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Well, as the old saying goes a DA can indict a ham sandwich. They all have this latitude but, to hold a City, it's Agents and it's Citizens liable for such an indictment, on charges that were later dropped, claiming this violated their civil rights, that is a stretch. I think greed got in the way of rationality here and the Court told them to "get real". So yes, I'm gratified that their effort to further exploit this situation has been stymied."

So you think it is acceptable for a DA to arbitrarily indict and prosecute men he knows are innocent. Or are you going to spout out the crap that DA NIFONG believed Crystal's allegations were credible. He didn't. He thought demonizing the Lacrosse team would arouse black on white racism(which does exist in spite of the musings of some academic ivory tower professors) in order to win the election.

Meanwhile, you believe it was acceptable to indict the innocent Lacrosse defendants because they were and are better off and more accomplished than you are.

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kenhyderal said...

And they call me a troll.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:02 said:Or are you going to spout out the crap that DA NIFONG believed Crystal's allegations were credible. He didn't."... He said he did. Anonymous also said: "He thought demonizing the Lacrosse team would arouse black on white racism(which does exist in spite of the musings of some academic ivory tower professors) in order to win the election" You choose to impugn his motives without having any idea what his thoughts were.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:57 said: "The Lacrosse defense attorneys circulated no lies about Crystal" ..... So, you really believe that The Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers blog, published daily for many years now is just a spontaneous group of citizens outraged by the injustice done in investigating allegations against some College athletes? Who do you suppose they are calling the liar that needs to be stopped? They were up and going strong long before Dr. Harr and I came to defend and seek justice for Crystal. Well, perhaps they will wither and die now that the Courts have put a kibosh on their blatent attempt to extort more money

Anonymous said...

It be da klan that done raped Crystal in da baffroom.Just kidding.No white man would ever want to have sex with her.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"And they call me a troll."

Correction:

And they CORRECTLY call me a troll. Actually that is an insult to all the trolls in the world.

Anonymous said...

Kenny:

Who's your daddy?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:02 said:Or are you going to spout out the crap that DA NIFONG believed Crystal's allegations were credible. He didn't."... He said he did. Anonymous also said: "He thought demonizing the Lacrosse team would arouse black on white racism(which does exist in spite of the musings of some academic ivory tower professors) in order to win the election" You choose to impugn his motives without having any idea what his thoughts were."

It is obvious to anyone what his motives were - he stated that he would get a million dollars worth of free publicity from charging the Lacrosse players. Don't forget he manufactured evidence(the improper lineup), intimidated witnesses(Moez Elmostafa), avoided a probable cause hearing(in which exculpatory evidence would have been presented), concealed exculpatory evidence(the non Lax DNA found on Crystal), made multiple, inflammatory, guilt presuming public statements, made statements which undermined their rights as defendants. All that says very loudly, he was concerned only about convicting members of the Lacrosse team. He never had Crystal interviewed by anyone in his office until nine months into the case.

I say again, none so blind or prejudiced as KENHYDERAL, except SIDNEY.

Anonymous said...

Kenny:

Who's your daddy?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 3:57 said: "The Lacrosse defense attorneys circulated no lies about Crystal" ..... So, you really believe that The Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers blog, published daily for many years now is just a spontaneous group of citizens outraged by the injustice done in investigating allegations against some College athletes?"

In a word, yes.

"Who do you suppose they are calling the liar that needs to be stopped?"

Crystal did falsely accuse members of the Lacrosse team of raping her. That makes her a liar. Her account of what happened when she stole a cab and tried to run down a Police Officer is a lie - that you will not see that suggests you blindly approve wrongful accusations against those you dislike.

"They were up and going strong long before Dr. Harr and I came to defend and seek justice for Crystal."

Otherwise, innocent men would have been wrongfully convicted of raping her. So far as you and SIDNEY seeking justice, that is like OJ's dream team seeking justice for him.

"Well, perhaps they will wither and die now that the Courts have put a kibosh on their blatent attempt to extort more money".

Don't count on it.

Nifong Supporter said...


kenhyderal said...
It was gratifying to see that the greedy lawsuits by the Duke LaCrose Trial Lawyers against The City (and People) of Durham was dimissed by the US Court of Appeals. Those poor Trial Lawyers have spent hundred of thousands of billable hours all in vane. Although they can still proceed against Gottleib and Himan. This will be a big waste of time as these individuals, like former DA Nifong do not have sufficent resources to even begin to cover the legal fees that have been run up and, these individuals can, like DA Nifong, declare bankruptcy on the basis of any potential liability. Most likely the Trial Lawyers were working on contingency but it would not surprise me if they now turn on their clients and try to get some compensation from them for all the work they have put in. Duke University, unlike the City, folded unnecessarily. They thought their Insurance Company would be the one on the hook. Instead it was their students. "The mills of the Gods grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine"-Sextus


kenhyderal,
you express my full, sentiments on the topic as well. Not only that, but a Roman quote, to boot. Contributions by commenters such as you make this blog site not only educational, exciting and stimulating... but classy. Thanks.

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance The Intern said...
"Those poor Trial Lawyers have spent hundred of thousands of billable hours all in vane."

Just as you have apparently spent hundreds of hours (and perhaps thousands of dollars)on education...in "vane"


Intern, that's a pretty pitiful comeback.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Yes, it was my intention to post the motion by the State Bar and my response, however an urgent matter came up and I will post them after Christmas. The Urgent project that I am working on will be available this Saturday by a link here in the comment section."

Any one want to bet that the urgent matter will be a pro se writ of some kind, demanding the court compel Dr. Roberts to produce a written report and allowing HARR to see it.

Since SIDNEY is demanding a report which conforms to his view of the situation, and sice his view of the situation is contrived, isn't he attempting to suborn perjury.


Wrongo..! But thanks for the idea.

Actually, the urgent matter has to do with a seasonal message which I will post as a blink tomorrow.

Stay tuned!

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance The Intern said...
"My 33 page Response will be posted shortly after Christmas."

True justice doesn't take a holiday.


That may be true, but the library where I go online does... and it's going to be closed on Christmas Eve, Christmas day, and the day after.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"kenhyderal,
you express my full, sentiments on the topic as well. Not only that, but a Roman quote, to boot. Contributions by commenters such as you make this blog site not only educational, exciting and stimulating... but classy. Thanks."

No one but you needed KENHYDERAL to know what you thought of the outcome of the lawsuits. Not surprising that you cheer injustice.

If you think KENHYDERAL has class, you show you have none.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Intern, that's a pretty pitiful comeback."

Not that I would call Lance pitiful. but someone who like you who pitifully seeks attention deserves nothing but pity.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Walt and Lance have no doubt read it.....KC has a heat piece on the Duke case rulings. And, of course, excellent commentary on Liestoppers. It's a pleasure to read and learn. On the other hand, this site is pure comic relief.
Now what, sidney, gonna tell us all about the evil Roberts and her ties to Rae Evans?


Regarding Roberts, have you ever heard of an investigation without a written report? Did the UNC Athletic/Academic fraud case rely on oral reports only? Roberts not producing a written report is absurd.

End of report.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Wrongo..! But thanks for the idea.

Actually, the urgent matter has to do with a seasonal message which I will post as a blink tomorrow."

You like the idea of suborning perjury? Not surprising for a NIFONG supporter.

Your seasonal message probably will be a compilation of, the jihadists are after me because I support corrupt DA NIFONG and false accuser Crystal.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Yes, it was my intention to post the motion by the State Bar and my response, however an urgent matter came up and I will post them after Christmas. The Urgent project that I am working on will be available this Saturday by a link here in the comment section."

If you are referring to the dismissal of the Lacrosse lawsuits, I have been aware of that for more than a week. Where have you been? Probably ogling Honey Boo Boo.


Wrongo... as I explained earlier. The urgent matter has to do with a Christmas blink... which will be posted tomorrow, Sunday. You won't want to miss it!

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Regarding Roberts, have you ever heard of an investigation without a written report? Did the UNC Athletic/Academic fraud case rely on oral reports only? Roberts not producing a written report is absurd.

End of report."

Irrelevant, SIDNEY, totally irrelevant. What you want from Dr, Roberts is a perjured report which questions Dr. Nichols' report. Like your attempted concealment of evidence that Reginald Daye, that is truly Nifongian, which term is inconsistent with the noun courage.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
Wrongo..."

Now there is a term which is truly descriptive of SIDNEY HARR. Add to that term Wacko.

"as I explained earlier. The urgent matter has to do with a Christmas blink... which will be posted tomorrow, Sunday. You won't want to miss it!"

Which will be another wrongo wacko lament by SIDNEY about how the jihadists are after him.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"That may be true, but the library where I go online does... and it's going to be closed on Christmas Eve, Christmas day, and the day after."

That means Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and the Day after Christmas will be truly days in which no lies will be posted by SIDNEY.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

My computer will be active on the three days you mentioned, to wish Merry Christmas to a lot of good people, not to post lies.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:


Who's your daddy?

Anonymous said...

Harr is truly an idiot. If she puts her findings in writing, the written material will be in the hands of the prosecution. She is obviously trying not to let that happen. how dense do you have to be to not get this? there was nothing wrong with the reports from Nichols and Duke, as we all well knew......and sidney is just pissed because he can't control the situation.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous: Harr is truly an idiot. If she puts her findings in writing, the written material will be in the hands of the prosecution. She is obviously trying not to let that happen. how dense do you have to be to not get this?

I find it amazing that you pretend not to understand Harr.

Based on his analysis of the report, which analysis he has posted on this blog repeatedly, Harr has concluded that Nichols committed criminal fraud and that Daye's death was the result of either negligence or medical murder by Duke Medical.

As a result, he is convinced that Roberts has reached the same conclusion, but, due to pressure from the Powers-That-Be, lied about her conclusions in her meeting with Crystal. Harr is further convinced that Roberts will not lie in a written report.

Harr is confident he is correct. He is willing to bet Crystal's freedom on it.

I believe we should encourage him to go for it. Have Crystal file a motion asking the Court to require Roberts to provide a written report.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Who's your daddy?


Anonymous said...

poster, I believe I do understand harr. he has shown his true colors many times..... he wants nothing but attention for himself. Mangum is irrelevant, as is Nifong.
I agree.........Roberts should write up a report, hand it over and let harr twist in it.......as I have said before, he should get what he has asked for......a report. Roberts found nothing wrong with the documentation, as we all knew she would ....find nothing wrong........and now harr, ignorantly, thinks he can somehow twist her reluctance to commit this finding to writing is proof of conspiracy. I say again, idiot.

Anonymous said...

Sidney,

I agree with other posters.

Call Roberts' bluff.

Convince Crystal to file a motion asking the Court to require that Roberts submit a written report To Crystal. She can provide it to you so that you can post it on this blog. Crystal will also be required to provide to the prosecution, and they will be forced to determine how to respond.

Another poster gave you similar advice over a week ago. Why have you done nothing?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Who's your daddy?


kenhyderal said...

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Who's your daddy?

Anonymous said...

kenny, don't you think it's just a wee bit pompous of you to quote scripture, as though you are , yourself, Jesus? Seems just a little bit arrogant to me. I am amazed at how you and sidney will drag out your biblical references whenever the heat in the kitchen gets a little too much for either of you. If it isn't the silly man from naz refrain, it's you and your google quotes........some of which are downright hilarious in the way you mis-use or take them out of context.

So, new year is coming soon and I would expect that Mangumi is going to get her day in court. hooray.

kenhyderal said...

Yeah, it was probably an inappropriate quote and a rather sacreligious one that I posted in answer to the many equally inappropriate and offensive remarks posted here about my Father and Mother. I am amazed, though, that whenever I express an opinion that doesn't conform to the conventional wisdom about the Duke LaCrosse case I get accused of being a troll.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: " it's you and your google quotes........some of which are downright hilarious in the way you mis-use or take them out of context" .... Perhaps the appropriateness of the quote escapes you or maybe you fail to grasp the real context. But hey, give us an example and I"ll try to explain the relevance of that particular quote to you

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I am amazed, though, that whenever I express an opinion that doesn't conform to the conventional wisdom about the Duke LaCrosse case I get accused of being a troll."

You got it wriong. Whenever someone does not agree with your guilt presuming interpretation of the Duke rape case, you respond with lies and accusations of racism.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: you respond with accusations of racism"..... Huh??? The only persons I've accused of racism here are those, like the jerk, who posted at 11:06 PM yesterday. You throw out statements and charges at me without any basis in fact. Why not try and give an example of where I have.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Huh??? The only persons I've accused of racism here are those, like the jerk, who posted at 11:06 PM yesterday. You throw out statements and charges at me without any basis in fact. Why not try and give an example of where I have."

You believe Crystal was raped because she is black. You support DA NIFONG's prosecution of innocent men, which was motivated by issues of race and class. You refuse to recognize that DA NIFONG stirred up black on white racism in order to get elected DA. That makes you a racist. Your support of the lie that Crystal was raped makes you a racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I notice that you do not deny you presume guilt. You can offer no evidence that any crime happened, yet you presume guilt. That is the lie you promulgate, that innocent men are guilty of raping Crystal.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

With regard to the anonymous who posted at 11:06 yesterday, you have never commented on DA NIFONG's statement that an exotic dancer like Crystal is someone he would not choose for a sex partner.

cristina said...

To the fellow at 1106 yesterday:
Please don't write such things. You know it really upsets Kenhypocrite. He's such a sweet boy, and I don't know whether his mother is around to comfort him.
I'm sure Kenny would be much happier if you told him you and your friends were interested in a nice stormy session with CGM. So why don 't you make him happy and write something of the sort?

Lance The Intern said...

""Well, as the old saying goes a DA can indict a ham sandwich. They all have this latitude but, to hold a City, it's Agents and it's Citizens liable for such an indictment, on charges that were later dropped, claiming this violated their civil rights, that is a stretch"

Keep that in mind if CGM ever attempts to claim her civil rights were violated.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:45 said: "You believe Crystal was raped because she is black. You support DA NIFONG's prosecution of innocent men, which was motivated by issues of race and class. You refuse to recognize that DA NIFONG stirred up black on white racism in order to get elected DA. That makes you a racist. Your support of the lie that Crystal was raped makes you a racist....... No, I believe Crystal was raped because she was vulnerable. It had absolutely nothing to do with her race. I support the prosecution of those who are guilty. I ask you, was everyone in Durham, who voted for DA Nifong, a racist; get real? By the way, you did not answer the question I posed "when have I, here, accused anyone of racism other then those who post obviously racist crap and I'll include the sarcastic "cristina" in this. Keep in mind, I'm gratuitously called a racist everytime I post.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:50 said: "With regard to the anonymous who posted at 11:06 yesterday, you have never commented on DA NIFONG's statement that an exotic dancer like Crystal is someone he would not choose for a sex partner" ........ Here is DA Nifong's exact quote "I would not be surprised if condoms were used. Probably an exotic dancer would not be your first choice for unprotected sex.” He should not have prejudicially cited Exotic Dancers" but his observation, in general, is correct because, in this day and age, raping anyone who is a stranger, whose sexual history you do not know, could put you at risk for an STD.

guiowen said...

Boy, Kenny, there really is no satisfying you, is there? First you get angry because someone says he wouldn't want to have sex with your bosom buddy; then you complain because someone suggests that they should want to have sex with her.
As for calling someone a racist, I'll just give you another wise old saying:
"El que lo dice lo es."

P.S. Was your mother indeed around to hold your hand for you?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:45 said: "You believe Crystal was raped because she is black. You support DA NIFONG's prosecution of innocent men, which was motivated by issues of race and class. You refuse to recognize that DA NIFONG stirred up black on white racism in order to get elected DA. That makes you a racist. Your support of the lie that Crystal was raped makes you a racist....... No, I believe Crystal was raped because she was vulnerable. It had absolutely nothing to do with her race."

Yes you did. You characterized her as an impossibly attractive black woman whom Caucasian men wanted to exploit.


"I support the prosecution of those who are guilty."

No you don't. No one was guilty of raping Crystal because Crystal was not raped. She lied about being raped. You support the prosecution of innocent men who were falsely accused.

"I ask you, was everyone in Durham, who voted for DA Nifong, a racist; get real?"

Not everyone. Most of the black voters in Durham voted for him because he was prosecuting the innocent Lacrosse players for raping Crystal. DA NIFONG made it a racially charged case. Get real yourself.

"By the way, you did not answer the question I posed "when have I, here, accused anyone of racism other then those who post obviously racist crap and I'll include the sarcastic "cristina" in this. Keep in mind, I'm gratuitously called a racist everytime I post."

Yes I have. You are called a racist because you are a racist.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 4:50 said: "With regard to the anonymous who posted at 11:06 yesterday, you have never commented on DA NIFONG's statement that an exotic dancer like Crystal is someone he would not choose for a sex partner" ........ Here is DA Nifong's exact quote "I would not be surprised if condoms were used. Probably an exotic dancer would not be your first choice for unprotected sex.” He should not have prejudicially cited Exotic Dancers" but his observation, in general, is correct because, in this day and age, raping anyone who is a stranger, whose sexual history you do not know, could put you at risk for an STD."

Considering Crystal's sexual history, do you honestly think any one having sex with her would not risk contracting an STD? Do you really think she was so attractive that members of the Lacrosse team, or any one else for that matter, would have risked contracting an STD by having forced unprotected sex with her?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Further evidence of your blatant unrepentant racism is your blatant refusal to acknowledge DA NIFONG's racism. Prior to the Lacrosse case, DA NIFONG was an unknown in Durham. He was not the elected DA - he had been appointed to the position to fill an unexpired term. He was running for election but was way behind in the only pre primary poll which was taken(yes it was taken by his opponent but he did not take his own poll to counteract it). He turned the case into a racially charged case(remember his statement to the media on March 27, 2006) because he wanted to stir up black on white racism and get recognition. He really did not care about Crystal.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You still do not deny that your are presuming guilt. You have no evidence you can cite that a rape happened in the first place. Therefore you have no evidence that you support the conviction of anyone guilty of said rape.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Who's your daddy?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Who's your daddy":

From Wikipedia:

"Who's your daddy? is a slang expression that, in one use, takes the form of a rhetorical question. It is commonly used as a boastful claim of dominance over the intended listener".

It is directed at you, not at your father. However it is still a possibility you had a dysfunctional relationship with your mother, considering the way you attacked the mothers of the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players.

Glass Houses.

Anonymous said...

Kenny complains: I am amazed, though, that whenever I express an opinion that doesn't conform to the conventional wisdom about the Duke LaCrosse case I get accused of being a troll.

This complaint does not fully explain why you frequently are characterized as a troll.

You advance the most preposterous narrative--alleging that mystery rapists raped Crystal at the party and dozens of players, including the three defendants, covered up this horrific crime.

As support for this ridiculous theory, you cite Crystal's general accusation (dismissing any details proven false by alleging impairment from an unproven drugging) and an alleged statement from a pseudonymous source's anonymous source. You then claim that this explanation must be taken as credible because it cannot be proven with absolute certainty that it cannot possibly be true.

At the same time, you object to posters' allegations that Crystal was a prostitute. You dismiss the circumstantial evidence for that claim (late night "dates" in hotel rooms, unexplained DNA, admitted vibrator performance), requiring that posters prove that their allegation is the only possible explanation for that evidence.

You refuse to engage in substantive discussion and defend your theories, preferring simply to blurt out your conclusions with little to no explanation. When pressed, you answer with shallow cliches, provide detailed information on minutiae or hijack the conversation with irrelevant comments.

Unless you are a complete idiot, you realize that you make no attempt to persuade anyone of the merit of your theories. I do not believe you are an idiot.

That leaves two explanations: (1) you are a troll, whose primary objective is to annoy other posters and (2) you are a master satirist, whose posts point out the sometimes ridiculous commentary coming from both sides of the debate.

Although I previously was convinced you were a troll, I have increasingly been convinced that you are writing satire.

You adopt a self-righteous attitude, mimicking the attitude presented by Sidney (who, despite being an uniformed moron, constantly offers "enlightenment" to his readers) and a number of anti-Nifong posters. Your excessively deferential comments directed to "Dr. Harr" provide support for the satirist theory.

Your preposterous mystery rapist theory and requirement that the players prove their innocence--not just of the charges for which they were indicted, but all possible crimes as well--clearly is directed at Sidney and other Nifong apologists, whose approach to the case requires the players prove with absolute certainty that nothing could possibly have happened. However, you also use this ridiculous theory to point out that some Nifong critics tend to overstate their case in some respects.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:25 said: "It is commonly used as a boastful claim of dominance over the intended listener".......... I was not aware of this expression but it brings to mind the observation of Theophrastus; " I would define boastfulness to be the pretension to good which the boaster does not possess"

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kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous @ 11:32 AM: I find it totally naieve that so many believe the propaganda they have been fed that the Duke LaCrosse spring break party was a completely benign affair attended by young gentlemen whose innocent life was high-jacked by a scheming femme fatale bent on extortion. The person who drove Crystal there gave evidence that she was not impaired when he dropped her off. A jury needed to resolve the conflicting claim that she arrived impaired. Was her noted impairment a delayed reaction to an earlier ingested intoxicant or was one involuntarily ingested after her arrival and if so what was it's purpose. The DNA extracted from sperm found on Crystal's person needed to be identified and that required confirming the sexual history she provided. DNA of those she identified was found but unidentified DNA was also present. Crystal had no motive to not give an accurate account of her sexual history. The unidentified DNA was not submitted to any DNA data base. There never was a definitive list of all who were there present compiled. Players known to be out of Durham submitted DNA. Only two non-players gave DNA and both of them happened to appear in photographs taken during the dancers performance. After being taken to the intake centre, without any treatment Crystal made a sudden recovery The intake centre did not think Crystal was impaired by alcohol nor did Duke University Hospital. She was tested for opioids, cocaine, GHB, methamphetamines and cannabinoids. At that time there was no available test for chloral hydrate a fast acting and short lasting hypnotic, well known to be the least likely drug to be identified date rape drug. An examining Doctor saw what she assumed was semen on her examination of Crystal but failed to do a confirmatory test. Reasonable doubt that she was not raped, yes. Circumstantial evidence that she was,also. The truth must await any person, there present, claiming to be an eye-witness to break the "wall of silence" and come forward. This we look forward to.

Anonymous said...

Ken - there was no wall of silence because no rape ever happened.Gang rape in a bathroom,lol.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

Thank you for confirming my post (Anonymous @11:32am).

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

@ Anonymous @ 11:32 AM: I find it totally naieve that so many believe the propaganda they have been fed that the Duke LaCrosse spring break party was a completely benign affair attended by young gentlemen whose innocent life was high-jacked by a scheming femme fatale bent on extortion."

People do not believe in any propaganda. The truth is that Crystal lied about being raped. The only propaganda that was spread was spread by DA NIFONG, beginning on March 27, 2006 when he announced that a crime had happened, that members of the Lacrosse team had been the perpetrators, and that it had been racially motivated.

"The person who drove Crystal there gave evidence that she was not impaired when he dropped her off."

Two party attendees gave evidence that Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party. Crystal admitted taking Flexeril on top of drinking 44 ounces of beer. The preponderance of the evidence is that Crystal was already impaired when she arrived at the party.

"A jury needed to resolve the conflicting claim that she arrived impaired."

No it didn't, once the forensic testing of the rape kit confirmed she had not been raped.

"Was her noted impairment a delayed reaction to an earlier ingested intoxicant or was one involuntarily ingested after her arrival and if so what was it's purpose."

She got impaired before she ever arrived at the Lacrosse party.

"The DNA extracted from sperm found on Crystal's person needed to be identified and that required confirming the sexual history she provided."

Why did DA NIFONG conceal the finding that the only DNA found on Crystal did not match any member of the Lacrosse team?

"DNA of those she identified was found but unidentified DNA was also present."

The DNA of the men she identified as her assailants was not present.


"Crystal had no motive to not give an accurate account of her sexual history."

Yes she did. She was lying about being raped.

"The unidentified DNA was not submitted to any DNA data base."

Why did DA NIFONG fail to do that? One reason is that it was determined definitively that the DNA WAS NOT deposited at the time of the alleged rape.


"There never was a definitive list of all who were there present compiled."

Yes there ws.Your allegation is based on the presumption that the DNA fpund on Crystal had been deposited at the time of the alleged rape.It was established definitively that no rape had occurred.


"Players known to be out of Durham submitted DNA. Only two non-players gave DNA and both of them happened to appear in photographs taken during the dancers performance. After being taken to the intake centre, without any treatment Crystal made a sudden recovery The intake centre did not think Crystal was impaired by alcohol nor did Duke University Hospital."

Crystal made her rapid recovery when she realized she was about to be committed to a detox facility.
"She was tested for opioids, cocaine, GHB, methamphetamines and cannabinoids. At that time there was no available test for chloral hydrate a fast acting and short lasting hypnotic, well known to be the least likely drug to be identified date rape drug."

Crystal's behavior was not consistent with that of a victim of a date rape drug. Chloral Hydrate is not readily available, nor is it easily synthesized by someone with no training in chemistry.

"An examining Doctor saw what she assumed was semen on her examination of Crystal but failed to do a confirmatory test."

Subsequent testing of the rape kit determined semen was not present.

"Reasonable doubt that she was not raped, yes. Circumstantial evidence that she was,also.

Thhere was no evidence she was raped.

"The truth must await any person, there present, claiming to be an eye-witness to break the "wall of silence" and come forward. This we look forward to."

No eyewitness will come forth because there was no eyewitness.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous @ 5:25 said: "It is commonly used as a boastful claim of dominance over the intended listener".......... I was not aware of this expression but it brings to mind the observation of Theophrastus; " I would define boastfulness to be the pretension to good which the boaster does not possess"

Theophrastus describes you and SIDNEY exactly.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

With regard to Dr. Julie Manly's finding of a whitish fluid in Crystal's genital tract:

As you say, she did not do a definitive test to prove the fluid was semen. Ergo, medicolegally, the finding of whitish fluid was evidence of nothing, circumstantial or otherwise.

Lance The Intern said...

". I am amazed, though, that whenever I express an opinion that doesn't conform to the conventional wisdom about the Duke LaCrosse case I get accused of being a troll.

Kenhyderal - I consider you a troll because you repeatedly post
off-topic messages to this blog, with the primary intent of disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

I stopped counting your posts at 20, but of the 20 I DID count, precisely 1 of them (the very first one) had anything to do with the substance of Dr. Harr's blog entry.

The rest -- trolling. Unfortunately, I and many others get caught up in it.

In the past, I stated that I will no longer respond to you, but here I am, guilty of following you down rabbit holes again.

No longer. This will be my last response to you. Enjoy your trolling at someone else's expense.

To Sid and all J4N readers, Merry Christmas.

kenhyderal said...

Lance is wrong. Every post I've ever made on this blog was a response to what another person had posted. Have you noticed the chanters and the racists don't elicit any displeasure from him but someone who, in the main, agrees with Dr.Harr's views has got to be a troll. Not much logic here.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Lance is wrong. Every post I've ever made on this blog was a response to what another person had posted. Have you noticed the chanters and the racists don't elicit any displeasure from him but someone who, in the main, agrees with Dr.Harr's views has got to be a troll. Not much logic here."

Where's the logic of presuming innocent men guilty of a crime when there is no evidence that said crime ever happened?

Anonymous said...

Kenny complains: Not much logic here.

We ignore the chanter and racist. They are obvious trolls.

You only pretend to make substantive comments.

For example, you ignored the substance of my 11:32am comment.

You seldom answers questions directed to you. If you were willing to engage in meaningful debate and to make an honest attempt to convince others, the conclusion would be difficult.



kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "You seldom answers questions directed to you. If you were willing to engage in meaningful debate and to make an honest attempt to convince others, the conclusion would be difficult".... You are wrong, I answer every post directed at me. You just don't like the answers I give because they suggest alternate conclusions to the conventional wisdom, that's been skillfully propagated by supporters of the accused. Now that the civil suits have "gone down the toilet" perhaps there will be less peer pressure to keep the wall of silence and blogs like The Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers alive.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "You seldom answers questions directed to you. If you were willing to engage in meaningful debate and to make an honest attempt to convince others, the conclusion would be difficult".... You are wrong, I answer every post directed at me. You just don't like the answers I give because they suggest alternate conclusions to the conventional wisdom, that's been skillfully propagated by supporters of the accused."

You have never responded to challenges to provide proof that Crysta was raped. You have always dodged. What you cal "alternate conclusions to the conventional wisdom" is your unreasonable presumption of guilt by ignoring the overwhelming evidence of innocence. The only propaganda propagated in the case was the propaganda propagated by those who, like you, unreasonably presumed guilt on the part of the innocent men Crystal falsely accused. Now again I challenge you, provide proof, not propaganda, that Crystal was raped.

"Now that the civil suits have "gone down the toilet" perhaps there will be less peer pressure to keep the wall of silence and blogs like The Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers alive."

I say again, don't count on it. There was no wall of silence.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You have made it obvious again how p---ed off you are at men who are better off and more accomplished than you are.

Now, show again you can provide no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, that Crystal was raped.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

Thanks again for confirming my 11:32am post. You refrain from engaging in meaningful debate.

While you may "respond" to posts directed to you, you seldom provide reasoned answers. Your six-year "wall of silence" in which dozens of players, including the three defendants, covered up for mystery rapists is grounded entirely in innuendo. Only an absolute moron could believe that the defendants would spend millions of dollars on their defense, have their names dragged through the mud in the national media and risk long prison terms to cover up crimes committed by others.

When questioned, you refuse to answer, responding that people sometimes don't act in their own interest.

You are a troll.

kenhyderal said...

Seligman and Finnerty has no risk as they quickly proved they had been mis-identified. They were not even eye witnesses to the crime. When they were charged they needed to hire Lawyers anyway. Non-involved Players, who were witnesses, could only, possibly, be charged with failing to come forward, an easy charge to defend against simply by insisting you saw nothing. Only the conscience of a witness or of a perpetrator will cause this to happen.

guiowen said...
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guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Remember, also, that you criticized me -- quite harshly I might add -- for what, done by your principal, you found perfectly acceptable. Would you care to comment on that?
Do you feel that "bad things done by my friends are not bad because my friends are so good"?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"

Seligman and Finnerty has no risk as they quickly proved they had been mis-identified. They were not even eye witnesses to the crime. When they were charged they needed to hire Lawyers anyway. Non-involved Players, who were witnesses, could only, possibly, be charged with failing to come forward, an easy charge to defend against simply by insisting you saw nothing. Only the conscience of a witness or of a perpetrator will cause this to happen."

There were no witnesses. There were no perpetrators. There was no crime.

How about you prove a crime happened before you presume guilt on the part of anyone.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Seligman and Finnerty has no risk as they quickly proved they had been mis-identified."

You lie. In spite of irrefutable evidence of their innocence, corrupt DA NIFONF was determined to prosecute and convict them.

kenhyderal said...

Guiowen said: "Remember, also, that you criticized me -- quite harshly I might add -- for what, done by your principal, you found perfectly acceptable. Would you care to comment on that?
Do you feel that "bad things done by my friends are not bad because my friends are so good"?" ......... I'm not sure what you are referring to here? Can you quote my criticism?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Before presuming anyone guilty of a crime, you have to establish a crime took place. You have not even remotely come close to establishing that Crystal was raped.

guiowen said...

KENHYDERAL,
You know very well what I'm talking about. You called me cruel. etc. because I poked fun at Sidney. Yet you find his attempted mockery of KC Johnson perfectly acceptable. I can only assume you're either a troll or a hypocrite -- perhaps both.

kenhyderal said...

Many anonymous posters,here, jumped to the defence of Prof. Johnson when Dr. Harr criticized him. When I made an effort to defend Dr.Harr, against your sarcasm, you call me a troll and a hypocrite. Correct,yes??

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Many anonymous posters,here, jumped to the defence of Prof. Johnson when Dr. Harr criticized him. When I made an effort to defend Dr.Harr, against your sarcasm, you call me a troll and a hypocrite. Correct,yes??"

SIDNEY HARR attacking KC Johnson is like a canoe attacking the Yamato.

In any event, SIDNEY did not attack Professor Johnson. He published rather pitiful attempts to have Professor Johnson notice him.

Anonymous said...

Any update on the Bar's communication with you and your brilliant response?


As a matter of fact, I just concluded my response, and the court documents should be posted here within 48 hours.

December 16, 2012 12:40 PM

Well?

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