Wednesday, July 24, 2013

Man in a Red Jumpsuit – Shan Edward Carter: A case for repeal of the death penalty in North Carolina


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(LINK to flog follows the comments below.)

In light of the recent “stand your ground self defense” acquittal of self-appointed vigilante George Zimmerman of Sanford, Florida, the capital conviction of Wilmington, North Carolina’s Shan Edward Carter takes on added significance. During the months of January and February 1997, word on the streets of the coastal city was that drug dealer Tyrone Baker was looking for those responsible for stealing from his apartment $40,000 in cash of his ill gotten gains. He openly expressed his intentions of terminating those responsible.

Damont “Eli” White, one of the trio of burglars responsible for pilfering Baker’s stash, was kidnapped off the street in broad daylight by Baker and later pistol-whipped to gain information about the others involved. Shan Carter, a small-time burglar and drug dealer whose crimes were committed while unarmed, and Kwada Temoney, who had a violent criminal past that included an armed bank robbery in which he fired his weapon, were White’s other two accomplices in the Baker heist.

When Tyrone Baker finally caught up with Carter and Temoney on a street corner dealing drugs, he flattened Temoney with a sucker punch, and walked toward Carter with his gun-hand concealed by a heavy coat draped over it. In fear for his life, Carter fired his gun twice with the intention of wounding him… and as Baker turned and retreated, Carter fired three additional rounds to keep Baker motivated and occupied with escape. Not intentionally trying to strike the fleeing man, one of the bullets ricocheted off the steering wheel of a parked car striking an 8 year-old boy in the head (he later died). It was hours later before Carter even was aware that he had struck the boy with his gunfire.

The accidental death of the young boy and the self-defense death of the drug dealer Baker are convictions upon which Shan Carter received death sentences. The North Carolina prosecutors, from outspoken Hanover County Senator Thom Goolsby’s district, are trying to put to death the African American who is innocent of the commission of a capital crime.

The following flog (which was produced more than a year ago) contains the prologue to Shan Carter’s story which will be presented in subsequent chapters on this blog site.

I have been working Carter’s case for nearly three years, however, my advocacy on his behalf was interrupted to help assist Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser Crystal Mangum in the serious trumped up charges against her. As her case winds down toward its conclusion, I will be presenting more about Mr. Carter’s case.


NOTICE: I am considering discontinuing the flogazine format as its files are excessively large… as more articles are added. If there is a large outpouring of those in favor of it, let me know and give it additional thought. Also, since I have been working nonstop on Mangum’s case since 2011, I will take a brief respite for a couple of weeks before heading down the homestretch with her scheduled trial in mid-November 2013. I anticipate my next posting on this blog site to be the mid to late part of August 2013.



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Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

According to you, Tyrone Baker made no threatening move against Shan Carter. He approached Shan Carter with a coat draped over his hand.

Basically the incident happened because Shan Carter interpreted Tyrone Baker's moves as threatening. If point of fact, Tyrone Baker made no threatening move before Shan Carter started firing. That does not support a defense of self defense.


Carter was minding his own business when he suddenly saw Temoney, an accomplice in the burglary, get knocked down by a sucker punch from Baker. Baker then turns towards Carter with a coat draped over his gun hand.

Do you suggest that Carter, with knowledge of death threats from Baker, wait until Baker fires first before he shoots him?

That doesn't make sense.

Anonymous said...

if a cop did that - what would you say to its actions Dr. Harr?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"No... What I'm saying is that there is a difference between premeditated murder and self-defense. Shan clearly killed Baker in self-defense. It's that simple."

What is simple is that you have no concept of morality.

Shan Carter killed two people in a conflict he provoked while committing at least two felonies, carrying an illegally possessed concealed weapon and firing that weapon in an inhabited area. That does not add up to self defense. He was trying to protect his ill gotten gains and that was felony murder.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"What Shan's situation boiled down to when Baker came after Carter was: kill or be killed."

That is your distorted interpretation of the facts. The facts show that Shan Carter was the aggressor. He pulled out a gun and fired. If Tyrone Baker had a gun and if he intended to kill Shan Carter, he would have fired first.

"Is it your position that Shan should have not attempted to defend himself and allowed a New York drug dealer to kill him because he was angry that Shan stole his money?"

At least you admit that Shan Carter did provoke the confrontation. My position is, considering the circumstances, whatever Shan Carter did would not have been self defense. Again, you imply that the death of Demetrius Green was just an unfortunate consequence of Shan Carter trying to protect his ill gotten gains. You have also admitted that Shan Carter was defending his so called "right" to keep stolen property.


"My position is that Carter was within his rights to protect himself by shooting Baker."

Your position, I say again, shows you have no concept of morality, of right or wrong. And, again, you imply that the death of Demetrius Green was somehow necessary. I am surprised you are not trying to blame the death of Demetrius Green on Tyrone Baker, i.e. if Baker had not run in front of the Green family car, Demetrius Green would have never been shot.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Your premise is misleading itself."

No it isn't.

"By shooting Baker, Carter was not trying to protect his 'ill gotten gains,'"

So what do you call the money Shan Carter stole from Tyrone Baker? The reward for a virtuous life? You are so morally bankrupt, you probably believe this.

"rather he shot Baker to protect his life."

He murdered Tyrone Baker and Demetrius Green because he wanted to hold on to the money he stole. Would the confrontation hot have occurred had Shan Carter not robbed Tyrone Baker? You do not seem eager to answer that question.

"Remember... this is a self-defense case."

You again show how morally bankrupt you are.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Misleading premise!"

You again show how morally bankrupt your are.

"The rightful owner of the money stolen isn't seeking to recover it, he's seeking retribution by killing those responsible for the theft. Baker made that clear throughout the community. Shan knew that he was being targeted by Baker prior to the incident. He also was aware that the other two participants in the theft had been assaulted by Baker."

The question again, which you continue to duck, is would the violence have happened if Shan Carter had not broken into Tyrone Baker's apartment and stolen the money there. Do you think Shan Carter had some kind of right to break into another man's home and take what that other man has in his home? Obviously you do.

"Carter took prudent and justifiable action in shooting Baker (although his aim was off and instead of wounding Baker he inflicted a fatal injury)."

You, for about the third or fourth time this day, show that you are morally bankrupt.

Why not take a stab at redemption and explain why Shan Carter should not be held responsible for causing the conflict in the first place.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:
"Carter was minding his own business..."

When he was on the street dealing noxious, possibly lethal substances to other people?

"when he suddenly saw Temoney, an accomplice in the burglary, get knocked down by a sucker punch from Baker. Baker then turns towards Carter with a coat draped over his gun hand."

Law in North Carolina required him to retreat. You have not shown that no retreat was open to him. North Carolina's variation of stand your ground is a Castle doctrine. You are not required to flee an attacker when the attacker was coming at you in your own home or on your own property. Was Shan Carter in his own home or on his own property. And, again, would the confrontation have occurred at all if Shan Carter had not broken into and robbed Tyrone Baker's apartment. By the way, that Tyrone Baker physically assaulted Shan Carter's friend rather than shoot him was a clue that Tyrone Baker did not have a gun.

"Do you suggest that Carter, with knowledge of death threats from Baker, wait until Baker fires first before he shoots him?"

I say that the law, considering the circumstances required Shan Carter not to wait until fired upon but to retreat from the situation. I repeat, he had a clue that Tyrone Baker was not armed. Again, the question would the confrontation have happened had Shan Carter not broken into Tyrone Baker's apartment and stolen his money.

"That doesn't make sense."

SIDNEY, again you show you are so morally bankrupt you do not know what sense is.

Again answer the question. Would the confrontation have happened had Shan Carter not robbed Tyrone Baker. That he did in and of itself would mean there was no self defense.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM

SIDNEY probably believes that if a cop approached Shan Carter in that manner in an attempt o take him into custody for dealing drugs, Shan Carter would have had a right to fire at the cop.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"No... What I'm saying is that there is a difference between premeditated murder and self-defense. Shan clearly killed Baker in self-defense. It's that simple."

What you are doing is showing that you can't tell the difference.

Anonymous said...

how many appeals does he get?

how many has he tried so far?
what were appeal facts that were given so far?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Here is another question you are ducking.

What law, precedent, statute states that someone selling illegal, potentially legal drugs on the street is simply minding his own business.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

If Tyrone Baker had caught Shan Carter trying to rob his apartment, had tried to prevent Shan Carter from robbing his apartment, and then Shan Carter shot and killed him. You would probably say he was acting in self defense because he feared Tyrone Baker would have killed him

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Correction:

What law, precedent, statute states that someone selling illegal, potentially LETHAL drugs on the street is simply minding his own business.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

According to what I have read about self defense law, the attacked person is in a place where he has a legal right to be.

Are you arguing that Shan Carter had a legal right to be on the street selling potentially lethal illegal drugs?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

If Shan Carter had feared for his life, he could have gone to the police. I have said this before. He probably would have been arrested, for burglary and grand larceny. Considering his record, his punishment would have been harsh. However he would have been safe from Tyrone Baker. He could have cut a deal had he offered to testify against Tyrone Baker(you once commended James Arthur Johnson for testifying against people) and drug dealer Tyrone Baker might have been taken off the streets. Most importantly Demetrius Green would not have died.

Walt said...

Sid wrote: "Is it your position that Shan should have not attempted to defend himself and allowed a New York drug dealer to kill him because he was angry that Shan stole his money?"

A New York drug dealer and a NC drug dealer shooting it out on the streets of Wilmington. Hard to get self-defense out of that set of facts. Looks more like mutual violence to me.

The law though looks at the intent of the defendant. The defendant, Carter, was violating the law by possessing a firearm. Carter was violating the law by dealing narcotics.

Can drug dealing felons defend themselves? Yes. With a gun? No. That's one of the rights you lose by being a felon.

Did Carter make the age old Hobson's choice between being carried by six or judged by twelve? He most certainly did. And, those twelve rendered the only reasonable verdict - guilty. Carter proved the state's case with his own testimony. Felony murder times two, transferred intent times one. He's guilty beyond all doubt.

The only real question left is does Carter deserve the death penalty? I have many reservations about the application of the death penalty in North Carolina. We have too many crooked DAs like Nifong and too many dishonest DAs like Cline, for me to give the death penalty too frequently in this state. However, Carter convinced me of his guilt by his own testimony. No need to rely on crooked or dishonest DAs. No junk science testimony from the SBI to worry about. No cops framing up innocent people. Here we have the honest, if none to bright, Shan Carter testifying under oath that chased and shot Tyrone Baker killing him and the totally innocent Demetrius Greene. In my book that's good enough for the death penalty.

Did Carter have options? Yes he did. He could have run. Having burgled Baker's home, stolen his money and generally violated his privacy, Carter could have run far. He had $35,000 (not $40,000 as Sid alleges) and started over. He could have turned himself in to the police and made a deal to get protection. But no. Having provoked Baker, Carter decided to arm himself, shoot at some other people and then go about his unlawful business until Baker found him. That's not self-defense. That's murder most foul.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Check this out:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/27/if-zimmerman-get-off-ima-go-kill-a-white-boy-trayvon-martin-supporters-make-shocking-threats-ahead-of-verdict/

It is a compendium of tweets by black people threatening lethal violence to George Zimmerman.

I bet you do not think George Zimmerman deserves the protection you think Shan Carter deserved.

Anonymous said...

'ol george should've stayed in his car and not followed without informing who he was other than a stalking possible predator

if he was in fear of his life enough to carry a gun that is

that should be against the law ... ununiformed or plainly identified neighborhood watch or cops ... stalking with guns - the reactions they will get is quite obvious

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 9, 2013 at 12:37 PM

George Zimmerman as not stalking Trayvon Martin.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 9, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Unlike Shan Carter, George Zimmerman did have a permit for the gun.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 9, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Evidence developed by the PROSECUTION showed Trayvon Martin was the aggressor. Medical evidence shows George Zimmerman was being subjected to deadly potentially force. Trauma to the head less severe than having one's head pounded against concrete has caused serious and lethal head injuries.

Anonymous said...

you get an idea how screwed up NC is when you consider that the very institutions (duke and unc the gov., etc.) that used to profit from tobacco and black slavery - now profits from the illnesses caused by tobacco and black slavery - and condones the possibility of immediate death by second hand gun fire but not the long range possible illness of second hand tobacco smoke in bars ...

that's politically correct nc for you

Anonymous said...

did you ever consider that perhaps zimmerman had the gun drawn when martin confronted him - and that martin was the one trying to save his life from zimmerman? ever?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 9, 2013 at 1:24 PM

George Zimmerman did not have his gun drawn until he was flat on his back with Trayvon trying to get the gun out of the holster.

When George Zimmerman got out of his car, he had a flashlight in one hand, a cell phone in his other with which he was holding a flashlight.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Check this out:

http://theblacksphere.net/2013/08/3-black-teens-beat-white-teen-rev-al-and-obama-are-silent/

Do you think the police should have protected the recipient of this beating?

Anonymous said...

whatever - the wild wild west comes to my mind

all we need now are some tumbleweeds and a dawg ... and some windwills ...

Anonymous said...

Sidney, you have put so much time and effort into documenting these cases that your dedication to achieving or maintaining justice in Durham is admirable and appreciated by many.

Do you think one of the most causative problems in Durham/Duke justice system is the lack of lawyers who can provide equal and fair legal representation in order to not require the trying of these cases in the court of public opinion?

This lack of lawyers who can provide representation without conflict of interest in the Durham/Duke Court extends to all levels of the NC Judicial and Political System to the point of there being No justice for any in many areas of civil rights and social justice policy, decisions, and judgments it would seem.

This control extends to most of the news conglomerates as well making it quite easy to see in the use of the media to try the Lacrosse case at the time when that was done, versus not actually using this current case in the same manner. I imagine Ms. Mangum and Duke and the medical examiners are grateful for that, as are probably most of NC. There is so much politics in these cases, Sydney, that my point is this:

NC needs lawyers who can provide citizens of this state representation when dealing in legal matters when Duke is involved in order for true justice to be available for all when dealing with Duke in any way. Do you agree that this is currently Not available to most if not any in the NC judicial system?

If this aspect of being a NC citizen were mended, many in the state would feel more willing to utilize Duke's services, and the environment would not be so hostile and threatened to so many.

Any ideas on how to change this aspect of the very real lack of justice and equal legal representation in NC that affects all, whether they are aware of it or not?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

From your boy Kilgo as to why anyone should believe he knows anything about the LaCrosse case:

"kilgo said...
Dr. Ubes,

If you wanted to know what the weather was like in Durham, North Carolina, would not it make sense to get a weather report
from someone who actually lives in Durham, North Carolina?

Now when someone in Brooklyn or Stockton or Louisiana claims on the Internet that it is raining and storming in Trinity Park, Durham, North Carolina, and Kilgo looks out his window and the sun is shining, who are you, Dr. Ubes going to believe?

And when these same outsiders continually broadcast incorrect weather reports, wouldn't you Dr. Ubes, not pay any attention to them?

Rather, Dr. Ubes, logical man that you could be, you would ask the person living in Durham, North Carolina, how is the weather?

It has rained all day here in Trinity Park.

How is the weather where you are?"

In other words, one should believe kilgo because kilgo can tell you the weather in Durham better than someone in Brooklyn.

Published in J4N SUNDAY, MARCH 22, 2009: Durham City Council, the Sandbox, and Courage.

The date of the comment was March 27, 2009 at 8:04 PM.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"For example the media constantly showed images from the ATM camera depicting the defendants withdrawing cash, allegedly using Eve Carson’s bank card. Evidence against the defendants in the Carson case is repeatedly played across television screens throughout the state. This is a prime example of the prosecution trying a case in the media."

And;

"At least Demario Atwater is getting what appears to be competent representation by his defense attorneys in his federal case."

These quotes come from J4N blog SATURDAY, MARCH 6, 2010
NC media able to dish it out, but can’t take it.

Check it out for yourself.

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 6:08 AM............Kilgo's version of events, he claimed was told him by an innocent Duke Lacrosse Player, coincides with Crystal's version of the assault that she she suffered. Although neither Kilgo or myself have first hand knowledge of what happened, we both have been informed by those who do. Those of you who claim that no assault took place must rely on the protestations of the participants and those non-participants who out of team solidarity and perhaps fear remain silent

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...
@ Anonymous 6:08 AM............"Kilgo's version of events, he claimed was told him by an innocent Duke Lacrosse Player, coincides with Crystal's version of the assault that she she suffered. Although neither Kilgo or myself have first hand knowledge of what happened, we both have been informed by those who do. Those of you who claim that no assault took place must rely on the protestations of the participants and those non-participants who out of team solidarity and perhaps fear remain silent"



Bahahahahaha. Kenny boy, you are a total douchebag.


Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"Kenny boy, you are a total douchebag."


And a first rate troll.


Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Kilgo's version of events, he claimed was told him by an innocent Duke Lacrosse Player, coincides with Crystal's version of the assault that she she suffered."

So kilgo repeated Crystal's account and described it as something he learned from some anonymous Lacrosse player whom he refuses to identify. Only a racist like KENHYDERAL would even attempt to claim that gives Crystal credibility.

"Although neither Kilgo or myself have first hand knowledge of what happened, we both have been informed by those who do."

No you haven't.

"Those of you who claim that no assault took place must rely on the protestations of the participants and those non-participants who out of team solidarity and perhaps fear remain silent".

Which is another way racist KENHYDERAL is saying that, in the face of no evidence that Crystal was raped, someone must be presumed guilty based on the non credible allegations of Crystal Mangum.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Why don't you heck out SIDNEY's older blogs to see how kilgo responded to challenges to reveal what he knew about the Duke rape case. Basically, he didn't respond. He just used irrelevant arguments, i.e. the weather in Durham, as evidence he did know.

You do yourself no credit to claim what kilgo told you is evidence that a rape happened, except for being a person of little to no intellectual capacity.

Anonymous said...

kenny wrote: Kilgo's version of events, he claimed was told him by an innocent Duke Lacrosse Player, coincides with Crystal's version of the assault that she she suffered. Although neither Kilgo or myself have first hand knowledge of what happened, we both have been informed by those who do. Those of you who claim that no assault took place must rely on the protestations of the participants and those non-participants who out of team solidarity and perhaps fear remain silent

Yes. You have told us that.

I earlier posted that I had received a message from a poster on another board who also had a friend on the team who confirmed that non-team members raped Crystal at the party. My source's source even named the perpetrators.

I noted that one may dismiss one pseudonymous source who cites an anonymous source, but it is difficult to dismiss two different pseudonymous sources who cite different anonymous sources.

For some reason, you ignored me. Why?

Anonymous said...

Right on kennyhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"I noted that one may dismiss one pseudonymous source who cites an anonymous source, but it is difficult to dismiss two different pseudonymous sources who cite different anonymous sources."


It's certainly difficult to argue with that line of reasoning.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 10, 2013 at 9:42 AM

KEM-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL anonymously posts again.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 9:45 said: ""I noted that one may dismiss one pseudonymous source who cites an anonymous source, but it is difficult to dismiss two different pseudonymous sources who cite different anonymous sources."
............. However my source is not anonymous. It is Crystal, herself. I know her to be a person of integrity.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"However my source is not anonymous. It is Crystal, herself. I know her to be a person of integrity."

Explain why she lied about being raped. Explain why she lied about the cab theft incident in her book. Explain why she lied to SIDNEY about who lit the fire in Milton Walker's apartment.

You really choose not to know her.

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...

"However my source is not anonymous. It is Crystal, herself. I know her to be a person of integrity."


Right on kennyhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 10, 2013 at 12:28 PM

In a vain attempt to convince people he has support, again KEN-Malek-HYDER-Williams-AL posts anonymously.

Anonymous said...

1. Did AG Cooper declare that NO rape took place or simply that the case was dismissed due to insufficient evidence?

2. What happeneded to the bat? Was it ever found and DNA tested? If not - why not?

3. There are rumours that others were at the party - including baseball team players - were they included in the faultly lineup?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 10, 2013 at 2:12 PM

"1. Did AG Cooper declare that NO rape took place or simply that the case was dismissed due to insufficient evidence?"

AG Cooper said there was no corroborating evidence, and no corroborating witnesses. He said, "We believe these men are INNOCENT(emphasis added). All that adds up to No rape.

"2. What happeneded to the bat? Was it ever found and DNA tested? If not - why not?"

What bat? It was alleged that one of the Lacrosse players suggested to the strippers use a broom handle as a sex toy, which they refused to do. If a broom handle was never tested, blame DA NIFONG, who, incidentally verified that a broom handle was used.

"3. There are rumours that others were at the party - including baseball team players - were they included in the faultly lineup?"

Both prosecution and defense said everyone at the party had been identified and the DNA recovered from Crystal's person did not match any of the DNA from any party attendee.

The story of unidentified party attendees comes from KENHYDERAL, who claims Kilgo told him that some unidentified Lacrosse player said there were unidentified attendees at the party who raped Crystal. That Lacrosse player has not come forth in th 7+ years since the incident. Kilgo, when he was posting on this blog, never showed he had any information about the party. Kilgo's unidentified Lacrosse player, who is the ultimate source of the unidentified party attendees, does not exist.

KENHYDERAL believes the story because he presumes, without any evidence to support him, that Crystal had been raped.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 10, 2013 at 2:12 PM

A further response to your question number 1.

AG Cooper also reported that when his investigators questioned Crystal, she told multiple, different, mutually contradicting stories as to what happened to her. She made some pretty unbelievable allegations, the most notorious of which was that the rape happened while she was levitation in the bathroom of the house at 610 Buchanan Ave. Again, AG Cooper made an unequivocal statement that NO rape had taken place.

Anonymous said...

Correction:

""2. What happeneded to the bat? Was it ever found and DNA tested? If not - why not?"

What bat? It was alleged that one of the Lacrosse players suggested to the strippers use a broom handle as a sex toy, which they refused to do. If a broom handle was never tested, blame DA NIFONG, who, incidentally NEVER verified that a broom handle was used.

Anonymous said...

i think the whole state and everyone negatively affected by the loss of trust and ability to obtain professional representation and legal services and support in the nc judicial system as a result of all the shananigans in durham / duke judicial system should be reimbursed for their pain and suffering and loss of constitutional rights to have a professional and ethical nc durham / duke judicial system as part of their environment if this system is going to be imposed upon the lives and affect and direct the society in which all must live in nc - not just things for duke or durham as they want them - everyone has to live in that debased untrustworthy unprofessional environment that affects all ... maybe next time duke will thing twice before they corrupt the durham judicial system and make a mockery of many different groups of people protected by law from such abuse by those who make a living at it - like duke

do you think durham would be so corrupt and unethical if not for the overriding negative influence of duke?

Anonymous said...

Why hasn't Duke refuted Dr. Harr's conclusions publically, especially about the medical errors when those details were published in the newspapers?

You would think they would owe at least their patients that much in reassurance. That is what I do not like about Duke in large part - they do these things - then expect everyone to ignore it or not care - even if they can't and they do.

That is professionally negligent, emotionally and mentally abusive, and in some cases holds great risk for medical malpratice by undue stress to fragile patients, as well as the loss of services to others who can no longer trust their professionalism from what they have seen or experienced with these cases.

Those things need to be addressed by the Joint Accredited Commission and Duke, along with the other medical and professional errors.

Anonymous said...

Other things to think about where duke is concerned:

Even people from Duke argued against the China site.

Some concerns are these:

A. N. Korea targeting them (or others not N. Korean - even if to create reason for another war w/N. Korea) creates the possibility that an adverse action against Duke in China will require military intervention and protection.

B. The recent eastern culture discrimination protest on Duke indicates they don't really get the significance of that or any other discrimination complaint until it becomes an issue as big to their liking as they deem necessary (so they can complain some more about the complainers - it is their game after all - one they enjoy playing for money and for sport and for whatever else benefits their needs at the moment).

C. They are evil in their ethics which is quite apparent to most. They rule with intimidation, deception, fear, and control of the media, politics, judicial, educational, medical, and by corruption, anti-trust and grooming tactics, etc.

Anonymous said...

Sidney,

How can a jury be selected if:

1. NoOne in NC can obtain a lawyer in NC to represent them against Duke.

2. This case involves the question of the possibility of whether or not Duke killed Mr. Daye in order to frame Ms. Mangum in deciding the murder charges against Ms. Mangum.

3. Most would naturally feel intimidated by the lack of justice when dealing with Duke at any level when they understand that this is the scenario they are being placed in to judge.

4. Therefore, there is no way it seems to obtain a nonbiased jury.

What do you think?

Anonymous said...

What are the mechanisms utilized at Duke to transfer a patient from their facility to another as capable in a safe, non-hostile, non-public, non-questioning manner in cases of conflict of interest or other issues of trust and legal ramifications?

Are there any other medical facilities that can claim non conflict of interest with Duke within a reasonable distance to insure the nonexistance of medical actions based upon conflict of interest and to insure that the hipprocratic oath and the trust in sound medical care that it implies is upheld for the wellbeing of the patient and all?

Anonymous said...

range of income in the world) would seriously appreciate if another race riot or something similar took place in Durham/duke land in order for more support for gun laws and civil order that will enable them to deprive all American citizens of even more civil rights, liberties, and the pursuit of justice as outlined in the constitution and the bill of rights.

That is a possibility. So, achieving a change in nonviolent manner - yet still achieving the goals of liberty and justice for all by change if needed - as in the example given by all great civil rights leaders is paramount in this case - unless you actually want to play right into their hands - which most don't (since most are not of the one percent yet still hold the same rights as them in USA, and have the same and equal rights for the legal and judicial system to support and enforce those rights.

Anonymous said...

Kenhydral - no white man would ever touch an ugly hooker like Crystal Mangum much less go to all the trouble of raping her.Besides the bathroom wasn't big enough for a gang rape.It never happened.

Anonymous said...

don't you think it is (in the slightest bit) weird that when you think of duke a picture of a lady levitating in the air getting raped lord knows how or if struggles NOT to take hold in your mind???

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 10, 2013 at 6:40 PM

"Why hasn't Duke refuted Dr. Harr's conclusions publically, especially about the medical errors when those details were published in the newspapers?"

SIDNEY HARR has not proven his allegations. Therefore, no refutation is necessary. SIDNEY can make all the allegations he wants. Unless he proves them, they are meaningless.

"You would think they would owe at least their patients that much in reassurance. That is what I do not like about Duke in large part - they do these things - then expect everyone to ignore it or not care - even if they can't and they do."

They owe their patients an obligation to refute the unsupported allegations of a man who does not have the expertise to make such allegations? What you are saying implies, if someone accuses you of pedophilia, you are a pedophile unless you can prove otherwise.

"That is professionally negligent, emotionally and mentally abusive, and in some cases holds great risk for medical malpratice by undue stress to fragile patients, as well as the loss of services to others who can no longer trust their professionalism from what they have seen or experienced with these cases."

No it doesn't. It is stressful to SIDNEY HARR only because what stresses SIDNEY is being exposed as an idiot.

"Those things need to be addressed by the Joint Accredited Commission and Duke, along with the other medical and professional errors."

What professional errors have been documented? SIDNEY has documented none.

Anonymous said...

that's only slightly blind to the thoughts, feelings, emotions, logic, perspective, trust, and responsibilities of general customer don't you think?

If any other customer based service did what duke did on a consistent basis - they would not be in business unless they did a massive public relations campaign to assure their customers that they were still able to produce a sound product that people did not have to die for and/or face the broken durham court system if they encounters problems in the delivery of the service that they did accept as a customer from duke

they act like it doesn't affect anyone - when most people frown when duke is mentioned and shake their heads and wonder at the quality or their services and lament the loss of the ability to trust them any more

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 11, 2013 at 8:58 AM

that's only slightly blind to the thoughts, feelings, emotions, logic, perspective, trust, and responsibilities of general customer don't you think?

If any other customer based service did what duke did on a consistent basis - they would not be in business unless they did a massive public relations campaign to assure their customers that they were still able to produce a sound product that people did not have to die for and/or face the broken durham court system if they encounters problems in the delivery of the service that they did accept as a customer from duke

they act like it doesn't affect anyone - when most people frown when duke is mentioned and shake their heads and wonder at the quality or their services and lament the loss of the ability to trust them any more".

I doubt that you are in any position to know.

Anonymous said...

http://www.skepticblog.org/2013/06/26/the-dunning-kruger-effect/

These examples can be multiplied endlessly, so I won’t continue them here, but let the commenters add their own personal favorites:

Sidney Harr

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 11, 2013 at 5:39 PM

KENHYDERAL

Myra Kinderknecht, aka Justice58

DA NIFONG

Victoria Peterson

Wahneema Lubiano

kenhyderal said...
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kenhyderal said...

Most US Republican Congressmen and their Tea Party Supporters eg. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13136697-republican-senator-on-science-committee-says-evolution-big-bang-are-lies-from-hell-video

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Most US Republican Congressmen and their Tea Party Supporters eg. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/13136697-republican-senator-on-science-committee-says-evolution-big-bang-are-lies-from-hell-video".

I think you are giving us a self description via the coping mechanism of projection. You keep promulgating the lie that Crystal was raped, which means you believe innocent men should be convicted and incarcerated on her behalf.

That is rather hellish.

Anonymous said...

From Liestoppers:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/5204285/1/

How William Chafe manifested the dunning kruger effect.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Your post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2517237

"Ms. Mangum claimed at the time in 2006, that she had been sexually assaulted at the party hosted by the Duke Lacrosse team. She maintains today that the assault did take place. That is what makes her a victim."

No it doesn't. It makes her a liar.

"Whether or not you believe her, or whether or not the attorney general believes her is irrelevant. She made the claim, and that makes her a victim. It has not been proven otherwise."

Yes it has "been proven otherwise". All the evidence in the case by an overwhelming preponderance shows no rape, no sexual assault took place. SIDNEY has provided no evidence that an assault did take place.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You call yourself a crusader for justice. On your posts on http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2517237 you claim that Crystal is a victim because she asserts she is.

Justice requires that she(in this case must prove). What has Crystal done to prove that an assault took place. Uncorroborated allegations, which you should have learned by now, do not constitute proof.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Sidney again shows how the the dunning kruger effect works. He keeps insisting that when he makes an allegation, it must be accepted as true if it is not formally disproven.

SIDNEY, provide proof that Crystal was the victim of a sexual assault. Her unsupported allegations are not proof.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

The unsupported allegations of you and your supporters that you are a competent physician are not proof you are a competent physician.

Your failure to complete a residency, your failure to achieve any kind of board certification, your exit from the practice of medicine after only 17 years of practice, all suggest you are not.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

From http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2501002

"As far as lying goes, you and the media refer to Mangum as a liar without proof..."

Yes there is proof. No rape happened. She claimed a rape did happen. She lied.

"yet you refuse to acknowledge that the autopsy report on Reginald Daye by Dr. Clay Nichols is totally fraudulent in its findings and conclusion."

That is because the autopsy report on Reginald Daye is not "totally fraudulent in its findings and conclusion".

"Mangum was not responsible for Daye's death..."

Yes she was, as she inflicted the stab wound which resulted in his death.

"substandard medical care (namely an esophageal intubation) is responsible for Daye's brain death"

An esophageal intubation did not happen, according to the medical records you illegally accessed and posted.

"which was the reason Duke University Hospital staff electively removed him from life support and he died."

He became brain dead from complications of the stab wound inflicted by Crystal Mangum.

SIDNEY you are showing signs you are brain dead, as well as being an example of the dunning kruger effect.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous August 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM

"Sidney,

How can a jury be selected if:

1. NoOne(sic) in NC can obtain a lawyer in NC to represent them against Duke."

The innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players did.

"2. This case involves the question of the possibility of whether or not Duke killed Mr. Daye in order to frame Ms. Mangum in deciding the murder charges against Ms. Mangum."


No it does not.

"3. Most would naturally feel intimidated by the lack of justice when dealing with Duke at any level when they understand that this is the scenario they are being placed in to judge."

It is a scenario in which only you are judging-based only on your biases, not any facts.

"4. Therefore, there is no way it seems to obtain a nonbiased(sic) jury."

That would have applied if the innocent, falsely accused Duke LaCrosse players had gone to trial, but not here.

"What do you think?"

SIDNEY HARR is incapable of thinking without the dunning kruger phenomenon happening.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Your postings on Democratic Underground show quite clearly you believe the Lacrosse players are guilty.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

If you applied the same principles tp the Reginald Daye killing as you do to Crystal's status as "victim/accuser, you would have said Crystal has to prove she did not murder Reginald Daye. What your victim/accuser statements amount to is, no one has proven Crystal was not raped(a false statement in and of itself. Well, there has been no trial to prove Crystal did not kill Reginald Daye.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

In your Democratic Underground postings, you say Crystal has always maintained she was assaulted at the Lacrosse party.

Each and every member of the LaCrosse team has maintained that no such assault took place.

Evidence supports the Lacrosse players, not Crystal.

Crystal had a violent criminal background before the Lacrosse case. Members of the Lacrosse team did not(I said violent criminal background-underage drinking is not violent-trying to run down a law enforcement officer with a stolen vehicle is).

But you say we must presume that Crystal was assaulted, which does mean we must presume that someone was guilty of the assault.

While we are on the subject of backgrounds, are you going to publish the incidents that established Shan Carter as a violent felon which all took place before he shot and killed Demetrius Greene and Tyrone Baker with an illegally possessed firearm?

Walt said...

Anonymous at 11:06 AM wrote: "While we are on the subject of backgrounds, are you going to publish the incidents that established Shan Carter as a violent felon which all took place before he shot and killed Demetrius Greene and Tyrone Baker with an illegally possessed firearm?"

Seriously? You have not read the opinion in Carter's case which was cited above, many times. So, let me lay it out for you. In New Hanover County under cause numbers 99-CRS-24029 and 24030 Carter was convicted of kidnapping and murdering Donald Brunson. The Brunson murder took place on December 6, 1996.

Between 1993 and 1996 Carter collected a number of convictions for Class H felonies, the lase of which landed him in prison for over a year. Those felony convictions meant he lost his right to possess any firearm.

The Brunson kidnapping and murder happened almost three months before Carter killed Baker and Demetrius Greene. Of course, he admits to burglarizing Baker's apartment before he killed Baker.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

Walt-in-Durham

August 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM

My comment from August 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM, quoting SIDNEY and my reply to him:

SIDNEY HARR:

"Whoa... Inhale deeply. I just uploaded the introductory part of Shan Carter's case. Fact is that subsequent chapters deal specifically with details of Shan's upbringing. Some are already finished and ready to be uploaded. I'll do it when I get a chance. (I've been very busy recently.)"

(Me)I doubt that, considering your purposefully oblivious description of what Shan Carter did.

I have read the records of Shan Carter's trial and his appeal. As I recall, there is a lot in there about what a good boy Shan was before he moved to Wilmington and how disadvantaged he was.

The point of my comment of August 12, 2013 at 11:06 AM was to ask SIDNEY whether or not he intended to talk about what a good boy Shan was at one time or how Shan became a convicted felon.

Anonymous said...

Walt:

I have published a number of comments in which I stated that Shan Carter, as a convicted felon, could not legally possess a firearm.

Again, my intent was to ask SIDNEY if he was going to talk about Shan's criminal background or about his upbringing.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sidney, you have put so much time and effort into documenting these cases that your dedication to achieving or maintaining justice in Durham is admirable and appreciated by many.

Do you think one of the most causative problems in Durham/Duke justice system is the lack of lawyers who can provide equal and fair legal representation in order to not require the trying of these cases in the court of public opinion?

This lack of lawyers who can provide representation without conflict of interest in the Durham/Duke Court extends to all levels of the NC Judicial and Political System to the point of there being No justice for any in many areas of civil rights and social justice policy, decisions, and judgments it would seem.

This control extends to most of the news conglomerates as well making it quite easy to see in the use of the media to try the Lacrosse case at the time when that was done, versus not actually using this current case in the same manner. I imagine Ms. Mangum and Duke and the medical examiners are grateful for that, as are probably most of NC. There is so much politics in these cases, Sydney, that my point is this:

NC needs lawyers who can provide citizens of this state representation when dealing in legal matters when Duke is involved in order for true justice to be available for all when dealing with Duke in any way. Do you agree that this is currently Not available to most if not any in the NC judicial system?

If this aspect of being a NC citizen were mended, many in the state would feel more willing to utilize Duke's services, and the environment would not be so hostile and threatened to so many.

Any ideas on how to change this aspect of the very real lack of justice and equal legal representation in NC that affects all, whether they are aware of it or not?


Thank you so much for your letter which I feel is right on point. Attorneys, especially defense attorneys for poor defendants, I believe work with the prosecution, often not in the best interests of their clients. They don't want to invest in fighting for their clients, and instead of seeking an acquittal for an innocent defendant would more often prefer to have him/her plead guilty.

Duke University not only influences attorneys, but judges, and politicians as well.

I feel the best way to begin healing the justice system is for the State Bar to unilaterally and unconditionally reinstate Mike Nifong's law license. Many prosecutors and medical examiners look at what happened to Mike Nifong when he did not abide by what the Powers-That-Be wanted, and not wanting to be subjected to such harsh and extreme treatment do what the higher echelon wants rather than what is right.

I hope this somehow answers your excellent question and observations.

Anonymous said...

so why is this a case for the repeal of the death penalty in nc then?

what do you plan to do to help this person out - start a campaign that murder is bad - and carter has learned his lesson (somehow - but not proven) - so now nc needs to too?

'they' aren't murdering them now because doctors refuse to administer the lethal methods to kill in the name of nc - they would MUCH rather administer the lethal research meds and methods instead - gotta keep them alive for that don't you know

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Walt:

I have published a number of comments in which I stated that Shan Carter, as a convicted felon, could not legally possess a firearm.

Again, my intent was to ask SIDNEY if he was going to talk about Shan's criminal background or about his upbringing.
I have already completed segments on Shan's childhood and upbringing... which includes his criminal background. I just have not gotten around to posting them yet, but plan to do so soon. (Have been working on a BIG project.)

Nifong Supporter said...


Walt said...
Anonymous at 11:06 AM wrote: "While we are on the subject of backgrounds, are you going to publish the incidents that established Shan Carter as a violent felon which all took place before he shot and killed Demetrius Greene and Tyrone Baker with an illegally possessed firearm?"

Seriously? You have not read the opinion in Carter's case which was cited above, many times. So, let me lay it out for you. In New Hanover County under cause numbers 99-CRS-24029 and 24030 Carter was convicted of kidnapping and murdering Donald Brunson. The Brunson murder took place on December 6, 1996.

Between 1993 and 1996 Carter collected a number of convictions for Class H felonies, the lase of which landed him in prison for over a year. Those felony convictions meant he lost his right to possess any firearm.

The Brunson kidnapping and murder happened almost three months before Carter killed Baker and Demetrius Greene. Of course, he admits to burglarizing Baker's apartment before he killed Baker.

Walt-in-Durham


Walt, the Donald Brunson murder charge is trumped up... I should know as I know more about the case than you could possibly... having seen a lot of discovery and talking weekly to Shan for nearly three years. I have already completed some flogs that go into detail about the Brunson murder. I will post them soon. Been busy on other projects... One big project, in particular.

Anonymous said...

how can nifong be allowed to screw up the nc jusitice system so much and not take responbility for it?

if he had done the investigation correctly in the first place - none of that would have happened - and cyrstal probably would not be in the position she is now (and her family, durham, duke with their playing up the victim card in a mightyly corrupt way, and every other citizen or person who comes into contact with or thinks it is their constitutional right to have access to equal and fair justice - not what durham and nc is today because of this case (in part but also because of dukes / durhams corruption of the system to begin with.

nifong didn't even gather and present the correct evidence to assist cyrstal out with her allegations to begin with - why would crystal support that?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"
I feel the best way to begin healing the justice system is for the State Bar to unilaterally and unconditionally reinstate Mike Nifong's law license."

In other words, turn a blind eye to corrupt DA NIFOMG's egregious prosecutorial misconduct, which SIDNEY has done.

"Many prosecutors and medical examiners look at what happened to Mike Nifong when he did not abide by what the Powers-That-Be wanted, and not wanting to be subjected to such harsh and extreme treatment do what the higher echelon wants rather than what is right."

Judging from your condemnation of the innocent Lacrosse players and your defense of Shan Carter, you have no concept of what is right and what is wrong.

"I hope this somehow answers your excellent question and observations."

What excellent questions and observations?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Walt, the Donald Brunson murder charge is trumped up... I should know as I know more about the case than you could possibly... having seen a lot of discovery and talking weekly to Shan for nearly three years."

Judging from what you have published about the Reginald Daye killing, you are incapable of understanding anything. Shan Carter is a convicted double murderer. Your attempt to justify the double murder as self defense shows how incapable you are.

"I have already completed some flogs that go into detail about the Brunson murder. I will post them soon. Been busy on other projects... One big project, in particular."

Which means you will give more evidence of what kind of how you manifest dunning kruger effect.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"I have already completed segments on Shan's childhood and upbringing... which includes his criminal background. I just have not gotten around to posting them yet, but plan to do so soon. (Have been working on a BIG project.)"

I can't wait to see what kind of BULLSHIT you will try to purvey as the truth.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Walt, the Donald Brunson murder charge is trumped up... I should know as I know more about the case than you could possibly".

Just like you have explained on Democratic Underground why Crystal is a "victim".

The only possibility here is that you are incapable of knowing anything. You are quite capable of trying to distort the truth.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Attorneys, especially defense attorneys for poor defendants, I believe work with the prosecution, often not in the best interests of their clients."

You also believe in the Carpetbagger jihad, the existence of which you can not prove. Claiming people have succumbed to Jedi mind tricks(which are part of the imaginary Star Wars Universe) is not proof. It is only and admission that you have no proof.

Just like you have no proof that Crystal was the victim of a sexual assault in March of 2006.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You also believed you would prevail in your frivolous lawsuit against Duke, that you would humiliate the state bar, and that corrupt DA NIFONG's law license would be restored. This shows what kind of garbage you believe it.

Anonymous said...

if nifong had talked to cyrstal in the first place - or any one not corrupt and with malintent for that matter - the dna evidence wasn't even needed - only the bat or broom or whatever

the whole thing was a friggin sham

why would ANYONE support that?

if she truly believes she was raped - then why doesn't she understand how badly she was used and how much damage has been done to so many by not now demanding that justice be served in her case - instead of the continual sham she is given and part of?

she has caused many people to be discriminated against and harmed because of her inability to demand justice for herself and others (or because she cannot free herself from the corruption to begin with)
- and because she never had representation to begin with (noone even talked to her for how long?)

kenhyderal said...

Susceptibility to the Dunning-Kruger effect is a ubiquitous and universal phenomena which only the truly wise are fully able to avoid; therefore, it's not a condition that many of us free from. Far more egregious are those so-called experts who, for what ever reason, purposely falsify findings.

kenhyderal said...

@ At anonymous 1:52 PM: "The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward s justice"(MLKJr.) Crystal's long lonely and difficult fight for justice in North Carolina has been a difficult one but someday soon "Great God Almighty" she will overcome.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Susceptibility to the Dunning-Kruger effect is a ubiquitous and universal phenomena which only the truly wise are fully able to avoid; therefore, it's not a condition that many of us free from. Far more egregious are those so-called experts who, for what ever reason, purposely falsify findings."

Like SIDNEY HARR.

KENHYDERAL may not do it intentionally. That does not mean he is totaaly wrong in his uncorroborated allegation that Crystal was raped.

Kilgo and his non existent Lacrosse player do not add up to corroboration.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'The arc of the moral universe is long but it bends toward s justice'(MLKJr. Crystal's long lonely and difficult fight for justice in North Carolina has been a difficult one but someday soon 'Great God Almighty' she will overcome."

Crystal should be careful about what KENHYDERAL is wishing for her. True Justice for Crystal, like true justice for corrupt DA NIFONG, would be criminal convictions and a long prison term.

MLK jr. would never have advocated wrongfully convicting anyone for a non existent crime.

Anonymous said...

Correction;

KENHYDERAL:

"Susceptibility to the Dunning-Kruger effect is a ubiquitous and universal phenomena which only the truly wise are fully able to avoid; therefore, it's not a condition that many of us free from. Far more egregious are those so-called experts who, for what ever reason, purposely falsify findings."

Like SIDNEY HARR.

KENHYDERAL may not do it intentionally. That does not mean he is IN ANY WAY CORRECT in his uncorroborated allegation that Crystal was raped.

Kilgo and his non existent Lacrosse player do not add up to corroboration.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Susceptibility to the Dunning-Kruger effect is a ubiquitous and universal phenomena which only the truly wise are fully able to avoid".

That leaves out SIDNEY and KENNY.

kenhyderal said...

But not you I suppose.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"But not you I suppose."

No, not me. Unlike you and SIDNEY and the academic ivory tower sociologists who say black on white racism does not exist, I am truly wise.

kenhyderal said...

What's the definition of that phenomena again?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

From Wikipedia:

"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes".

Fits you and SIDNEY to the proverbial T.

Anonymous said...

what is the definition of wise that you use as understanding of this position of 'wise one'?

Walt said...

Sid wrote: "Walt, the Donald Brunson murder charge is trumped up... I should know as I know more about the case than you could possibly... having seen a lot of discovery and talking weekly to Shan for nearly three years."

I seriously doubt you know much at all about the Brunson murder. What I do expect is you will tell Carter's revised version of events in an effort to spare his life. Revisions that will not really hold up to scrutiny, just as his changed story about murdering Demetrius Greene doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Face it, Carter is a violent drug dealing thug who burglarized homes as a sideline. Prison's too good for him. The only way to rehabilitate Shan Carter is to put him to death.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

Predating Poe's Law, in 2001, Alan Morgan wrote:"Any sufficiently advanced troll is indistinguishable from a genuine kook."

Kilgo's version of events, he claimed was told him by an innocent Duke Lacrosse Player, coincides with Crystal's version of the assault that she she suffered. Although neither Kilgo or myself have first hand knowledge of what happened, we both have been informed by those who do. Those of you who claim that no assault took place must rely on the protestations of the participants and those non-participants who out of team solidarity and perhaps fear remain silent

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:08 said: ""The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes".

Fits you and SIDNEY to the proverbial T...... But not, I suppose, Anonymous @4:26

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:26 said: " what is the definition of wise that you use as understanding of this position of 'wise one'?" I'm not sure if this question was addressed to me. It's always hard to tell when you are debating cowardly anonymous phantoms but the statement by Anonymous at 4:26 seems to be a clear case of
illusory superiority.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:20 quoted Alan Morgan " Any sufficiently advanced troll is indistinguishable from a genuine kook."
..... I can assure you when I wrote that my sarcasm button was off. Of course, you consider anyone who does not buy the Duke Lacrosse Trial Lawyers craftily concocted and skillfully disseminated characterization of Crystal and her ordeal as a kook. Fortunately their greedy lawsuits have failed. The truth is going to come out soon and there is going to be consequences.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Fits you and SIDNEY to the proverbial T...... But not, I suppose, Anonymous @4:26"

I already said at 4:26 yesterday that it does not fit me. Makes you angry, doesn't it. That is a function of the dunning kruger effect of which you are a prime example.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I'm not sure if this question was addressed to me. It's always hard to tell when you are debating cowardly anonymous phantoms but the statement by Anonymous at 4:26 seems to be a clear case of illusory superiority."

You are obviously projecting again. You are very angry and upset about my pointing out your own dunning kruger generated illusory sense of superiority.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I can assure you when I wrote that my sarcasm button was off. Of course, you consider anyone who does not buy the Duke Lacrosse Trial Lawyers craftily concocted and skillfully disseminated characterization of Crystal and her ordeal as a kook. Fortunately their greedy lawsuits have failed. The truth is going to come out soon and there is going to be consequences."

Another example of your dunning kruger generated sense of your superiority. Crystal was not raped. She falsely accused three Caucasian men of raping her. Abnd you are stupid and delusional enough to believe it.

I say again, you, Crystal, Kilgo and Kilgo's non existent Lacrosse player friend do not add up to evidence of anything-except that you want to convict and imprison innocent men on behalf of Crystal. That, I say again, is rather hellish.

Anonymous said...

Hey Walt, got a question for you....a friend of mine ran a background check on me and said I have something in my record from 1997 ..."NC Admin Court demographic criminal". I have no clue what this is. What the heck is a demographic crime? How do I find out?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Definition of dunning kruger effect:

"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes".

In spite of no evidence at all that Crystal was raped on the night o 13/14 March 2006, you continue to insist Crystal was raped. Can there be a more graphic manifestation of the dunning kruger effect.

Anonymous said...

People like the troll and sidney are just seeking attention for themselves. That's about all they amount to......self promoting nonsense.....looking for attention and trying to inflate themselves

Anonymous said...

I can assure you when I wrote that my sarcasm button was off.

I believe you. Sarcasm would have been directed at Sidney, whose arguments are even more preposterous, or those critics who sometimes seem to claim that the defendants were proven innocent with metaphysical certainty. I do not believe that is your intention. I believe you seek merely to annoy.

Of course, you consider anyone who does not buy the Duke Lacrosse Trial Lawyers craftily concocted and skillfully disseminated characterization of Crystal and her ordeal as a kook.

I have never suggested you are a kook. I believe you are a sufficiently advanced troll.

I believe you are a troll, not primarily because of the theory you have advanced, but more because of your unwillingness to engage in an honest discussion of it. Having said that, I recognize that your theory is so preposterous that honest discussion may be impossible.

You have done nothing to advance the search for justice you claim to seek.

For example, you expressed no interest when another poster claimed to have information that corroborated your theory and identified the mystery rapists (I suspect the poster was being sarcastic, demonstrating how unconvincing is your claim to have information from a pseudonymous poster). I expect that is why you ignored it.

I have concluded you are a troll. Convince us otherwise.

Walt said...

Anonymous at 4:22 AM wrote: "Hey Walt, got a question for you....a friend of mine ran a background check on me and said I have something in my record from 1997 ..."NC Admin Court demographic criminal". I have no clue what this is. What the heck is a demographic crime? How do I find out?"

From the AOC: If you are a subscriber to LifeLock Identity services, you may have recently received an Alert from LifeLock concerning information that LifeLock says is found in a source named “NC Admin Office of Courts demographic criminal.” The cited source is data that the NC AOC provides to private record-checking vendors, such as LifeLock, but the Alert does not necessarily reflect any recent activity in your name.

LifeLock apparently has sent these Alerts to its subscribers for any case that the subscriber may have had in the records of the courts of North Carolina, regardless of how old.

If you have any questions about the particular case, you should first contact LifeLock to determine the county in which the listed case occurred, and then contact the clerk of superior court for that county if you have any questions about the case.


HTH
Walt-in-durham


Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

In reference to your statement that it has not been disproven that Crystal was assaulted. That implies that whomevr Crystal accused was obligated to disprove her allegations.

Suppose someone accused you of malpractice. Should that person be required to prove the allegations? Or should you be required to disprove them?

I remind you, corrupt DA NIFONG's case imploded because there was no proof of the crimes he had, on the basis of Crystal's word, had occurred.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Walt. It wasn't lifelock, but at least I have some idea of how to figure this out. Not too pleased to have something like this sitting out there.........from '97. "A demographic criminal", no less. For those who are interested, I did learn that "infractions" such as speeding tickets are sometimes called "demographic crimes"....

Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...

Hey anonymous -- It could also be anything from driving with expired tags to license not in possession to window tint violations...

Anonymous said...

Correction:



SIDNEY HARR:

In reference to your statement that it has not been disproven that Crystal was assaulted. That implies that whomevr Crystal accused was obligated to disprove her allegations.

Suppose someone accused you of malpractice. Should that person be required to prove the allegations? Or should you be required to disprove them?

I remind you, corrupt DA NIFONG's case imploded because there was no proof of the crimes WITH WHICH he had, on the basis of Crystal's word, had CHARGED THE INNOCENT LACROSSE PLAYERS.

Anonymous said...

Hey Lance, Thanks! I did some research today. It was a speeding ticket.....the only ticket my entire life.....for going 44 in a 35 zone at the outer banks....all those years ago. live and learn, huh.

Anonymous said...

Hey there sidney and troll-boy, how about those three scumbag thugs who beat up a 13 year old boy on a school bus? 13 y/o white kid gets put in the hospital by three cretin black thugs (15 year olds) because the 13 year old victim told the school principal that these pigs tried to sell him dope. Oh, and of course, the bus driver who was on the bus and saw the whole thing....tried his best top stop it, right? Right sidney? Nope, the black creep sat there and watched while these three morons beat up the kid....and later said, "I stay in my seat cause I don get no pay to stop no beatdown".
Oh, and best of all, this happened recently.....in Florida! Where's Jesse, Al, the white house bro, the DOJ, the ACLU?

Nifong Supporter said...


Walt said...
Sid wrote: "Walt, the Donald Brunson murder charge is trumped up... I should know as I know more about the case than you could possibly... having seen a lot of discovery and talking weekly to Shan for nearly three years."

I seriously doubt you know much at all about the Brunson murder. What I do expect is you will tell Carter's revised version of events in an effort to spare his life. Revisions that will not really hold up to scrutiny, just as his changed story about murdering Demetrius Greene doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Face it, Carter is a violent drug dealing thug who burglarized homes as a sideline. Prison's too good for him. The only way to rehabilitate Shan Carter is to put him to death.

Walt-in-Durham


Walt, you know nothing about Shan Carter except for the propaganda put out in the biased media. I have spent nearly three years visiting him at Central Prison and I can tell you that he is a very intelligent person... and non-violent. Yes, he's made mistakes in his life, but surely you aren't qualified to cast the first stone.

It's easy to say someone should be given the death penalty, especially if you have not met him/her. I would bet that if you did visit him and allow him to discuss what really happened with respect to the Brunson case and Baker shooting, then I am sure that your opinions would coincide with mine.

Carter needs to be released from prison, I he will be, if I have anything to say about it.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Hey there sidney and troll-boy, how about those three scumbag thugs who beat up a 13 year old boy on a school bus? 13 y/o white kid gets put in the hospital by three cretin black thugs (15 year olds) because the 13 year old victim told the school principal that these pigs tried to sell him dope. Oh, and of course, the bus driver who was on the bus and saw the whole thing....tried his best top stop it, right? Right sidney? Nope, the black creep sat there and watched while these three morons beat up the kid....and later said, "I stay in my seat cause I don get no pay to stop no beatdown".
Oh, and best of all, this happened recently.....in Florida! Where's Jesse, Al, the white house bro, the DOJ, the ACLU?


In case you didn't know, there is good and bad in all races... Doing bad is not the exclusive province of African Americans.

I can understand the bus driver not wanting to get involved, after all, I'm sure it's not in his job description.

Anyway, I don't know the point of you bringing it up. Why should Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton get involved? Is there an issue of injustice regarding this case of which I am unaware?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

You also believed you would prevail in your frivolous lawsuit against Duke, that you would humiliate the state bar, and that corrupt DA NIFONG's law license would be restored. This shows what kind of garbage you believe it.


I still believe it.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Walt, you know nothing about Shan Carter except for the propaganda put out in the biased media. I have spent nearly three years visiting him at Central Prison and I can tell you that he is a very intelligent person... and non-violent. Yes, he's made mistakes in his life, but surely you aren't qualified to cast the first stone."

SIDNEY, I believe that an extremely few people have shot and killed two people while committing felonies. If you think that makes someone an extremely intelligent person.


"It's easy to say someone should be given the death penalty, especially if you have not met him/her. I would bet that if you did visit him and allow him to discuss what really happened with respect to the Brunson case and Baker shooting, then I am sure that your opinions would coincide with mine."

I doubt that a convicted felon who killed two people while in the midst of committing further felonies will give a true account of what he did. He will probably try to C his A.

"Carter needs to be released from prison,"

Yes, let this violent criminal back on the streets to rob, deal drugs and kill more innocent people.

"I he will be, if I have anything to say about it."

You have said a lot about a lot of things and have had the potency of an ox.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"In case you didn't know, there is good and bad in all races... Doing bad is not the exclusive province of African Americans."

You think when an African American shoots and kills two people with an illegally possessed hand gun after a confrontation he provoked, he was just minding his own business. You are in no position to pontificate about crime. You couldn't recognize a crime when you see it, and you see crimes where there are nont.

I can understand the bus driver not wanting to get involved, after all, I'm sure it's not in his job description.

Anyway, I don't know the point of you bringing it up. Why should Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton get involved? Is there an issue of injustice regarding this case of which I am unaware?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Anyway, I don't know the point of you bringing it up. Why should Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton get involved? Is there an issue of injustice regarding this case of which I am unaware?"

First off, SIDNEY, the title of your blog speaks loudly for itself that you do not have any concept of justice.

So far as race baiter al and race bauter jesse are concerned, they involve themselves in situations in which they can stir up ignorant black racist bigots like you into an anti white frenzy. Three black thugs beating up an innocent white boy will not do that.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

What you have advocated:

Innocent white men falsely accused of raping a black woman should be convicted and incarcerated.

A Black convicted felon provokes a confrontation with another black felon, during the course of which he shoots and kills the man whom he provoked and shoots and kills an innocent 8 year old boy. You argue that he should get a pass.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

To my last comment I add:

Your grossest hypocrisy is this. Y claim you advocate for justice without regard to race or color.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

I just saw that the three black thugs who beat up the 13 year old have been expelled from school.

Considering Jena, I think it is not unlikely that race baiter al will be down there saying the three thugs were unfairly punished and acted in self defense.

It probably won't be too long before you will be trying to justify what they did as self defense.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

You have claimed that Crystal is a victim because she believes herself to be.

You have blogged that the pictures of Demario Atwater and Lawrence Lovette, which were published as pictures of unknown persons of interest, was a case of the prosecution trying them in the media.

Yet you expect you to believe that Shan Carter is an all around good guy because you know him.

Is there any more needed to show you are totally divorced from reality.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

'You also believed you would prevail in your frivolous lawsuit against Duke, that you would humiliate the state bar, and that corrupt DA NIFONG's law license would be restored. This shows what kind of garbage you believe it.'


I still believe it."

I should have said This shows what kind of garbage you believe in.

And you believe you are a deep profound thinker. It is only a manifestation of how deeply mired in your own bullshit.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

The three black thugs beat up the white boy because he informed that they were trying to sell Marijuana.

Well, judging from the way you are trying to apologize for violent criminal Shan Carter, you believe that black men who sell illegal drugs are just minding their own business.

So now you are going to claim they acted in self defense because the white victim interfered with them while they were minding their own business and they feared for their lives.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"'You also believed you would prevail in your frivolous lawsuit against Duke, that you would humiliate the state bar, and that corrupt DA NIFONG's law license would be restored. This shows what kind of garbage you believe it.'


I still believe it."

So you admit you believe in garbage.

Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...

" I have spent nearly three years visiting him at Central Prison and I can tell you that he is a very intelligent person... and non-violent.

Chan Carter has 5 infractions for threatening to harm staff, 5 infractions for fighting, 2 infractions for assaulting staff, and 1 active rioter infraction. Hardly the actions of a "non-violent" person,

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

There is a youtube video of Jesse Jackson commenting on the Florida bus beating case.

He says that 135 African-Americas were killed by white people. What he did not mention, but which a commenter did, tha in the 513 days between Trayvon dying, and the Zimmerman verdict, 11,106 black people were killed by other black people.

As I said earlier, race baiter jesse and race biter al will not get involved unless there is an opportunity to stir up black animosity toeards white people.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR(regarding the Florida bus beating case):

"Is there an issue of injustice regarding this case of which I am unaware?"

SIDNEY evidently believes that three black boys ganging up on and beating one younger white boy because he reported them for selling illegal drugs is not a crime.

What can you expect from someone who claims that Shan Carter was just minding his own business when he was selling illegal drugs on the street.

We can have no more glaring a manifestation of the Harrian concept of justice, namely, when a black man does it, it is not a crime.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

This is the URL of the Jesse Jackson video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqU_-UH40Ws

Anonymous said...

Oh bother....sidney you really ARE an ass. It's not a bus driver's job description to break up a beating of a 13 year old child by three punks? On his bus? You asshat.
The punks called this little boy a cracka bitch......isn't that sweet.
You are an ass....pure and simple

Walt said...

Sid wrote: "Walt, you know nothing about Shan Carter except for the propaganda put out in the biased media."

My first post on this case was based entirely on what you wrote. Subsequent posts were based on facts in the record, that is the court opinions and case file. Not one fact was based on anything written in the media. By now, you should know that I check sources.

"I have spent nearly three years visiting him at Central Prison and I can tell you that he is a very intelligent person... and non-violent."

Appeal to authority without attribution. Not persuasive. And given Carter's track record in prison, fighting, harming staff, I find your conclusion to be doubtful at best.

"Yes, he's made mistakes in his life, but surely you aren't qualified to cast the first stone."

I am very qualified to say that someone who has committed at least two burglaries, two murders, participated in a third murder, dealt narcotics on the street numerous times, and continued his violent behavior in prison is beyond ordinary rehabilitation.

"It's easy to say someone should be given the death penalty, especially if you have not met him/her."

No, it is not, especially not in North Carolina where there are too many prosecutors like Cline and Nifong who are more than happy to violate the rules. But, for Carter, I make an exception. He killed an innocent little boy.

"I would bet that if you did visit him and allow him to discuss what really happened with respect to the Brunson case and Baker shooting, then I am sure that your opinions would coincide with mine."

You would lose that bet. I have read Carter's testimony. Anything he says now is recently fabricated in order to avoid the death penalty. I'm not fool enough to fall for that scam.

"Carter needs to be released from prison,..."

In a pine box.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

Said it twice before......here's the third time........I would happily push the plunger if Carter gets strapped down for a final IV. Happily. Pond scum

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "(I) have concluded you are a troll. Convince(us)otherwise"............I am not here to convince you or anyone about myself. I came hear to correct the record about the lies and distortions spread by the greedy Duke Lacrosse Trial lawyers, in support of their ill-fated lawsuits. Their characterization of Crystal so craftily constructed and skillfully disseminated has been nothing but lies. You, like so many others, who don't even know her, have bought into this propaganda. Those who do know her and those who have taken the opportunity to speak to them have formed a completely different view. Good examples of this would be Judge Abraham Jones and the NC Child Protective Services.

Anonymous said...

Yep, good old judge jones........what's he doing these days?
so, let's see......we have asshat sidney, troll boy, the resident bigot of Durham, and the judge.....all big fans of sister, the killer.
nice.......

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I am not here to convince you or anyone about myself. I came hear to correct the record about the lies and distortions spread by the greedy Duke Lacrosse Trial lawyers, in support of their ill-fated lawsuits. Their characterization of Crystal so craftily constructed and skillfully disseminated has been nothing but lies."

The only lie ever promulgated about Crystal is that Crystal was raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006. People who have promulgated that lie include but are not limited to are: Crystal, corrupt DA NIFONG, race baiter al, race baiter jesse, unqualified one time physician SIDNEY HARR and you.

Anonymous said...

http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/5197515/1/

There is a post on the appropriately named liestoppers that Tawana Brawley has lost her job.

She recently collected a certain amount of money from a fund raiser her fans held for her.

Speculation now is that she will disappear.

I predicted that after the fund raiser Tawana would take her money, then run and hide again.

I am waiting for SIDNEY to complain about how Tawana is being persecuted by evil white people.

She owes Steven Pagones more than $400,000 because she falsely accused him of rape. People like SIDNEY, KENNY, race baiter al and race baiter jesse do not consider that an injustice, probably because the men she wrongfully accused were white.

Anonymous said...

yep, good old slippery tawannnnnda will take the money and run....as she has before.....which, of course, is theft. but, hey, she can always run to her buddy Al. class act, that tawaaaaaada!

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://blackamericaweb.com/153660/commentary-its-time-for-reverend-al-sharpton-to-step-up-again-for-tawana-brawley/

Tawana has been ordered to pay the judgment plus damages she incurred as a result of falsely accusing Steven Pagones of raping her, more than $400.000.

Race baiter al has become very well off as a result of his advocacy of Tawana's false rape allegation. He had a judgment levied against him for falsely accusing Steven Pagones of raping Tawana."Benefactors" paid the judgment for him.

Has race baiter al stepped up to help Tawana. No.

How is that an example of how race baiter al always the right thing.

Mind you, race baiter al at the beginning knew Tawana was trying to pull off a hoax(google the name Perry McKinnon)

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Lest you post that Steven Pagones is victimizing this hard working single mother, remember she would not have incurred that debt had she told the truth in the first place.

I add, Steven Pagones has offered to forgive the debt if she admits she lied about being abducted and raped.

Anonymous said...

So, troll boy, how about justice for the 13 year old white victim of three 15 year old black punks in florida? on a school bus, driven by an asshat black bus driver who SAT on his ASS and did not stop the violence....who later was quote as saying, "I don't get paid to stop no beatdowns". And, why did the white victim get beaten and sent to the hospital??? Because he reported the three little scumbags for trying to sell him drugs in school...troll boy. And, while the beating was going on, the three black thugs repeatedly called the then-crying 13 year old victim, "little bitch cracka white-ass". But, hey, troll, there's no racism among blacks, right??? And, where did this crime take place? In Florida....that nasty evil white oppressor state, troll.
But hey, the victim was white and defenseless.....the punks were black and broke his arm, blacked his eyes, gave him a concussion and facial bone fractures.......but, that's OK......because he probably deserved it, didn't he, troll.... because we all know that white people are to blame for every single crime committed by black people.....

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Oh bother....sidney you really ARE an ass. It's not a bus driver's job description to break up a beating of a 13 year old child by three punks? On his bus? You asshat.
The punks called this little boy a cracka bitch......isn't that sweet.
You are an ass....pure and simple


The focus of this blog site covers many criminal cases within the state, however, I do not consider bullying and assault on a school bus to be a subject upon which to waste my valuable time pontificating about... especially when I believe the abusive assailants were dealt with appropriately.

If there was injustice with regards to how the incident was handled, then if might be of more interest here.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The focus of this blog site covers many criminal cases within the state, however, I do not consider bullying and assault on a school bus to be a subject upon which to waste my valuable time pontificating about... especially when I believe the abusive assailants were dealt with appropriately."

First, your "valuable time", like the Carpetbagger jihad, does not exist. If you were devoting your time to this incident, it would be effectively devoting nothint.

Second, if the incident had been a white on black you would have devoted your time to it. Black on white violence is something which you can not use to stir up black hostility towards white people. Hence you choose to ignore it.

"If there was injustice with regards to how the incident was handled, then if might be of more interest here."

I say again, what would it made something of interest to you is if it had been a white on black assault.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

What you do find of interest is trying to pass this off a self defense:

A violent black criminal provokes a confrontation with another violent black criminal. The first black criminal, using an illegally possessed hand gun shoots and kills not only the second violent black criminal but also an innocent 8 year old boy.

Find me a legal precedent which says that is self defense.

Anonymous said...

Kenny is a troll.

Anonymous said...

Oh brother, your valuable time? pardon me while I gag. If the victim had been black and beaten by three white boys, while a white bus driver sat idly by, picking his teeth.......we would have been treated to your usual nauseating dribble about evil white people and poor helpless black people. Spare us all....and just admit you are a racist, a hypocrite, a failed physician and a world class liar.
and, by the way, I wouldn't call break a 13 year old's arm, giving me facial fractures, and a concussion "bullying". asshat. I would call that criminal assault.

Anonymous said...

giving HIM facial fractures.......not "me". And, of course, you have no excuse for the total silence from the usual race baiting jerks like Sharpton.

Anonymous said...

It's time for a little justice for Nifong.

Anonymous said...

Where IS bathrobe boy these days, anyway? Selling real estate? Working for the Mattress Factory? Selling Ronco squeeze-a-mattic products on late night TV? Baby sitting Mangum's kids? Being a private dick for Cline's new law career? Singing tenor in the Lenwood Wilson gospel quartet? Or, most likely, teaching an ethics class in the law program at NCCU!!!!!

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
Important announcement!

I must confess that the reason my contributions to this blog site have been scarce recently is because I have been working on a law suit.

It can be accessed by clicking on LAWSUIT

Will get back to flogging soon.




Nifong Supporter said...


.. As you were.

Anonymous said...

When will SIDNEY again tell us what a fine upstanding citizen Shan Carter is? After all, when he killed Demetrius Green with a gun which he illegally had in his possession, he was aiming at someone else.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
Important announcement!"

SIDNEY is again suffering from delusions of grandeur.

"I must confess that the reason my contributions to this blog site have been scarce recently is because I have been working on a law suit."

SIDNEY still believes, since he believes the innocent Duke Lacrosse players "shook down(SIDNEY"S words) for "20 million(again, SIDNEY'a words), he will be able to also do so.

"It can be accessed by clicking on LAWSUIT"

Read it and see how far divorced from reality SIDNEY is.

"Will get back to flogging soon."

SIDNEY, showing how stupid you are is not flogging, blogging, or any other meaningful activity.

Anonymous said...

In his complaint, SIDNEY again alleges that Shan Carter, who after he provoked a confrontation with Tyrone Baker, after he had shot and killed Tyrone Baker while Tyrone Baker was withdrawing from the confrontation with a gun Shan Carter illegally possessed, after he had also shot and killed Demetrius Green with the same illegally possessed gun while shooting at Tyrone Baker, was wrongfully charged and convicted of Murder.

Anonymous said...

I kind of hope this case of SIDNEY's does get to court. SIDNEY presents his case. Then the defense moves for a summary judgment in its favor because SIDNEY has not corroborated or proven his allegations. The Judge grants a summary judgment for the defense. SIDNEY decompensates, then will be forced to get the help he so desperately needs.

Anonymous said...

At what point, if any, does Sidney risk contempt charges?

He sues the Judge and Judge Magistrate who rejected his Duke lawsuit, asking for a trial because they misstated facts. He did not repeat his charge that the Magistrate is a liar.

He interjects himself into the Mangum trial, asking for an investigation of the autopsy report and Daye's death.

He asks the Court to order the Bar to revisit Nifong's disbarment because it discredits the NC justice system.

Some of this looks like Sidney is playing lawyer again in cases where he is not a party.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Why don't you show your brief to Professor Coleman and ask him if you have a case.

Anonymous said...

More of the same from Sid....Throwing shit against a wall to see if anything sticks. Unfortunately for Sid, this "lawsuit" is the legal equivalent of diarrhea.

Anonymous said...

Asshat Harr......classic........

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

The essence of your lawsuit is, the state will not consider me important so I want damages because I believe that violates my civil rights.

It is sort of like your contention that Crystal is a victim because she believes herself to be.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

In your brief, you name yourself as a retired physician and you claim to have detected evidence that Dr. Nichols wrote a falsified autopsy report.

If you want to make your case, you will have to establish you are capable of making such a determination. How do you intend to do that.

You graduated from Medical School, did an internship, never completed a residency, never achieved board certification in any specialty. That is not much of a CV. No court would ever accept you as an expert.

On top of that, via this blog, you have shown yourself prone, extremely prone to making uncorroborated allegations and expecting them to be taken at face value.

The only case you have made in your so called brief is that you are a deluded megalomaniac.

Walt said...

Sid wrote: "I must confess that the reason my contributions to this blog site have been scarce recently is because I have been working on a law suit."

Rule 11 Sid. Read it, you're about to get schooled on it.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

Walt, looks like he violated Rule 11 six ways to Sunday........

Anonymous said...

Speaking only as a layman, I think SIDNEY will get a lesson in the Rules of Evidence. Whether it will take or not is questionable. After his misadventure in suing Duke, and his misadventure with the NC State Bar, he should have learned a) he who asserts must prove and b) uncorroborated allegations are not evidence. He hasn't.

Anonymous said...

Hey Walt,

Rule 11 of what?

In What is Rule 11 found and Where?

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Pleadings, motions, law suits without substance/evidence, lawyer wannabe........ooooo, let the fun begin..... Harr knows damn well this is nothing but tripe.....he just thinks it makes him important.....what it does make him....is laughable

Anonymous said...

This is something kind of ironic. SIDNEY rants and raves about so called Jedi mind tricks.

Shan Carter is a violent criminal facing the death penalty. He spins a tale of what happens to avoid the death penalty. SIDNEY ignores the facts of the case and believes Shan Carter acted in self defense.

In the Star Wars universe, according to Obi Wan Kenobi, Jedi mind tricks work only on the weak minded.

If SIDNEY can cite Perry Mason as a source for the law, I think I can cite Obi Wan as a source on Jedi mind tricks.

Anonymous said...

News from Canada:



Pythons rescued from Canadian motel room

By David Ljunggren, Reuters

Canadian authorities have rescued 40 distressed pythons from a motel room where they were being improperly held in plastic storage bins, police said on Friday.

Police found the snakes, ranging from 1 foot to 4-1/2 feet in length, in a motel in Brantford, a city about 62 miles southwest of Toronto.

"The snakes were not being suitably cared for and were in distress. The anxious officers called the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals who attended and took 40 pythons into their care," local police said in a statement.

The snakes are expected to be fine, they said. No one at the Brantford police or at the SPCA were available for comment.

A manager at the motel said the snakes belonged to a couple who had checked into a room for one night, and who were out when police arrived on Thursday evening.

Pythons are not legal for home ownership in Brantford, according to the city's animal control bylaws.

Last week, two young boys in Eastern Canada died after a 13-foot, 100-lb python apparently attacked them in their sleep. An autopsy confirmed the two died of asphyxiation.

Walt said...

Anonymous at 3:24PM wrote: "Rule 11 of what?"

The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

More news from Canada:



Cops: Man fills wife's hot tub with manure after being served with divorce papers


By QMI Agency

QMI Agency File


A former cop is in trouble for allegedly filling his wife's hot tub with manure after he was served with divorce papers.

Officers arrived Tuesday morning at a home here, north of Montreal, after receiving a call about mischief.

Police said officers caught the man dumping manure, which was piled in the tub and at the house's front door.

The man had to be taken down with pepper spray after he took off in a tractor and then resisted arrest when officers caught up with him, police said.

Rene Daniel, 64, faces charges of hit and run, assaulting a police officer, obstructing police and mischief over $5,000.

He's pleaded not guilty and is to return to court in the coming weeks.

Anonymous said...

More news from Canada:


Alberta dentist hopeful DNA can be extracted for cloning from John Lennon's decaying tooth


'Walt Disney froze his head, but by cloning themselves, they could basically live forever': dentist


By Allison Salz, Edmonton Sun



It’s kind of hard to imagine John Lennon walking back into Beatle fans’ lives — but an Alberta dentist says it’s not far off.

Dr. Michael Zuk is working with American researchers to explore the DNA of the dead Beatle, after buying his decaying tooth from auction two years ago.

Zuk bought Lennon’s rotten molar at auction for $32,000 in 2011, and has sent the tooth to scientists at Penn State in hopes of sequencing the genetic code.

The Red Deer-based dentist says the investment is “one of the best decisions” of his “life,” and adds that if scientists can clone sheep and mammoths, surely they can clone people.

“It’ll be a mark on my headstone that I had a hand in bringing back one of rock’s greatest stars,” he said.

Anonymous said...



Montreal Teen Mauled While Trying To Kiss Captive Lion

A volunteer worker at a wildlife park calls her survival a "miracle" after suffering severe flesh wounds during a lion attack.




A teenager has been mauled by a captive lion after she tried to kiss the animal through the bars at a South African wildlife park.

Lauren Fagen, of Montreal, suffered severe flesh wounds when the male lion dragged her feet and legs into the enclosure at Moholoholo Wildlife Rehabilitation Centre.

The 18-year-old volunteer worker is recovering in hospital and says she is lucky to be alive.

"I didn't realise he could stick his paws through. I should have died or lost a leg," Ms Fagen told The Globe and Mail newspaper.

"It was a miracle that I survived. He could have ripped off my skin and I would have died of blood loss."

Ms Fagen began volunteer work at the wildlife centre in June cleaning the lion cages and feeding other animals.

The attack happened while Ms Fagen was cleaning a feeding cage on Monday.

A five-year-old male lion named Duma began rubbing his face against an adjoining cage, and Ms Fagen said she decided to kiss the animal's fur.

She told the newspaper she screamed for help until fellow student volunteers came to her rescue.

"It didn't feel real," Ms Fagen said.

Anonymous said...


UFO sightings across Canada in 2012nearly doubled all-time record



CTVNews.ca Staff
Published Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:38PM EDT
Last Updated Thursday, May 16, 2013 6:45AM EDT


Canadians reported nearly 2,000 sightings of unidentified flying objects last year, setting a new record a national survey found.

The annual Canadian UFO Survey found that Canadians reported seeing 1,981 UFOs in 2012, nearly doubling the previous record of 1,004 that was set in 2008.

The annual survey, complied by the Manitoba-based research group UFOlogy, was released earlier this week. The survey marks the 24th year the group has tracked UFO sightings in Canada.

According to the group, Ontario residents reported seeing the most UFOs, with more than 40 per cent of all sightings in the country occurring in the province.

Canadians captured videos and images of supposed UFOs and posted them online.

In one video posted to YouTube, a strange green light appears above Winnipeg.

The man who captured the video says Winnipeg may be part of a wider extraterrestrial corridor.

“Like highways, you know … and maybe we’re in the middle of one highway,” Eduardo Pogorelsky said.

If UFO spotters are to be believed, five Canadian cities are the top UFO hotspots: Toronto, Calgary, Kelowna, Winnipeg and Vancouver.

Reports of the sightings ranged from flying saucers in British Columbia, to dark guitar-shaped objects in Ontario

Then there was one very strange case in Newfoundland, UFOlogy research coordinator Chris Rutkowski told CTV News.

“A number of people had watched a glowing object move from side to side in the sky, and then dash away very, very quickly,” he said.

Earlier on Wednesday, Rutkowski told CTV News Channel that for years the number of UFO sightings in Canada had remained fairly constant.

“We thought that they had plateaued or peaked a few years ago, when there were about 1,000 cases reported in Canada. But last year they jumped 100 per cent: 2,000 reports in Canada alone,” he said.

Rutkowski said the research group tracks UFO sightings because it is a fairly common phenomenon, with roughly 10 per cent of Canadians believing that they’ve seen them.

“Now whether we’re looking at a physical phenomenon or perhaps a sociological or a psychological phenomenon, the fact is that people are seeing things,” he said, adding that most of the reported sightings can be explained after further investigation.

He said only around seven-and-a-half per cent of the cases remain unexplained out of the entire body of data.

Experts say there are a number of possible explanations behind the sudden surge in sightings, including more secret military exercises, an increase in reporting due to greater access to computers or an increase in the public’s interest in space.

Manitoba Museum astronomer Scott Young said that people often can’t recognize everyday objects in the sky such as stars, meteorites or flocks of geese.

“Sometimes people say it’s a black triangle with lights around the edge,” Young said. “But they’re high enough up that you can’t hear them and you can’t see what they are. They just look like little dots moving back and forth.”

Rutkowski said that after interviewing witnesses and scouting locations, many of the reported sightings could be explained.

However, he said, there are cases that the research group couldn’t explain, forcing them to “scientifically shrug” their shoulders and say: “We don’t know.”

He said he believes that there probably is life out there somewhere. “The truth is out there, but unfortunately we’re stuck down here,” he said.

A Lawyer said...

Dr. Harr:
The 11th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution bars your lawsuit against the State of North Carolina. The doctrine of absolute judicial immunity bars your lawsuit against the District Judge and Magistrate Judge. There are other problems with your lawsuit (many of them, in fact). Your lawsuit will be dismissed with prejudice and you very well may be sanctioned.

Please note: I am A lawyer but I am not YOUR lawyer. I am not giving (and cannot give) you legal advice. But I very strongly encourage you to show your lawsuit to a North Carolina lawyer before you proceed on your owner.

A Lawyer said...

Sorry, I meant "proceed on your own."

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Maybe your silence since your last post means you are taking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy so you can avoid sanctions over your ridiculous lawsuit.

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