Tuesday, July 29, 2014

Harr files Habeas corpus for Mangum


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Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

I was just pondering your latest stage in the efforts to achieve at the very least reasonable justice in Ms. Mangum's current case. The problem has always been the lack of ability to obtain lawyers (and a justice system) free from conflict of interest with the ME system and Duke. Since the state bar association insists that you not represent anyone but yourself because it is the law, then asking them to fix the conflict of interest and biases that exist in the justice system that is causing constitutional and justice system laws themselves to be broken seems reasonable since they seem to have responsibility over those issues if they can have authority over laws prohibiting anyone without legal credentials and assigned as a lawyer to a case to practice law for any but themselves.

It would be interesting to see what they have to say about the issue, and if they will assist in fixing the problems which seems to be their responsibility. Is it?


Interesting thought. It never occurred to me to go to the State Bar. I don't believe they are at all interested in correcting the problems with the legal system. I can't even get the Attorney General's Office, or District Attorneys to look into the perjury issue or fraudulence of the autopsy report. Frankly, I don't think they're interested or willing to police the misdeeds and malfeasances of attorneys related to the vendetta case against Mangum... after all, the only one they've come after is me.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
What the State Bar would say is that there has been no credible evidence of any conflict with Mangum's attorneys. Going to UNC-CH School of Law is not a conflict with the ME, if it was, no one from UNC could work in Criminal Defense. Working for some hospitals in Texas 15-18 years ago is not a conflict with Duke. The "conflicts" are figments of Sid's imagination, and everyone but he and tin-foil hat know it (though Tin-foil suspects it, because everytime he is asked to provide evidence he screams troll and hate-crime and goes and hides under his bed, so he knows it's made up).

Duke could care less about Mangum, it's funny that Sid still thinks they do - but the fact that Sid really thinks they do, and would reward those who hurt Mangum, and he's been trying to get money from Duke, and clearly trying to hurt Mangum (despite his protestations, everyone else see he is hurting her) - that's the real conflict - he thinks if he hurts Mangum, Duke will reward him.


Let me tell you again why Duke cares about Mangum's conviction. If her conviction is overturned, as it should be, then that shifts the burden for Daye's death on Duke University Hospital (which is responsible for causing Daye's brain death and actual death).

As far as attorneys go, there is not one who considers it worth his/her while to antagonize Duke University in order to free Mangum who the media has made a pariah - not unlike O. J. Simpson.

Anonymous said...

nteresting thought. It never occurred to me to go to the State Bar. I don't believe they are at all interested in correcting the problems with the legal system. I can't even get the Attorney General's Office, or District Attorneys to look into the perjury issue or fraudulence of the autopsy report. Frankly, I don't think they're interested or willing to police the misdeeds and malfeasances of attorneys related to the vendetta case against Mangum... after all, the only one they've come after is me.



Because you are the only one who has broken the law. You have no credible evidence of any misdeeds or conflicts on the part of Crystal's attorneys. And you are the only one who has acted improperly.

Plus, you can't make a Bar Complaint on behalf of a third party - Crystal would have to file the Complaint, and of course, as soon as she did, she'd be waiving attorney/client privilege, at least as it relates to their ability to respond to her complaints, which I am sure she doesn't want.

Anonymous said...

Let me tell you again why Duke cares about Mangum's conviction. If her conviction is overturned, as it should be, then that shifts the burden for Daye's death on Duke University Hospital (which is responsible for causing Daye's brain death and actual death).



The Statute of Limitations is long gone, and Duke is, and has been, responsible for many deaths due to malpractice - like all Healthcare Organizations, they get sued for it all the time, and they pay out lots of money in settlements. It's the cost of doing business.

You, as a MD, would understand that if you weren't so dense.

Anonymous said...

Attorneys sue Duke all the time ... why do you keep pushing the myth that attorneys are afraid of Duke?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

Sorry, that should have read "Sid stated....". Damn you, autocorrect!



Hard to say ... I imagine that filing a Writ of Habeas Corpus for someone who has not authorized you to act on their behalf, and has no knowledge that you are filing it, and then having it dismissed within a matter of days isn't all that historic, but is par for the course for Sid.


What you fail to comprehend is that the fact that I filed the habeas corpus (along with its contents) is a matter of record.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

Sorry, that should have read "Sid stated....". Damn you, autocorrect!



Hard to say ... I imagine that filing a Writ of Habeas Corpus for someone who has not authorized you to act on their behalf, and has no knowledge that you are filing it, and then having it dismissed within a matter of days isn't all that historic, but is par for the course for Sid.


What you fail to comprehend is that the fact that I filed the habeas corpus (along with its contents) is a matter of record.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Let me tell you again why Duke cares about Mangum's conviction. If her conviction is overturned, as it should be, then that shifts the burden for Daye's death on Duke University Hospital (which is responsible for causing Daye's brain death and actual death).



The Statute of Limitations is long gone, and Duke is, and has been, responsible for many deaths due to malpractice - like all Healthcare Organizations, they get sued for it all the time, and they pay out lots of money in settlements. It's the cost of doing business.

You, as a MD, would understand that if you weren't so dense.


Duke University Hospital is more concerned about its reputation rather than any payout settlements. That is why control of the media is of paramount importance to Duke regarding Mangum's case.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Attorneys sue Duke all the time ... why do you keep pushing the myth that attorneys are afraid of Duke?


True, but Mangum and the Duke Lacrosse case are extremely political, emotional, and controversial. It's not the average run of the mill case. That's why the medical examiner lied in his autopsy report and committed perjury, why all of Mangum's attorneys were turncoats who worked to protect Duke, why the media has conducted biased reporting, why the judges have ruled unfairly, why politicians have steered clear, and why civil rights organizations have remained silent and idle.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Harr,

Perhaps that is what needs to be done then since it seems to be their responsibility in the first place. If you write to them please document in sharlog your correspondence with them for all, since what they do affects all, which is why doing so by you would be beneficial to all as well as to Ms. Mangum, since they could not continue to harm all without taking responsibility for any negative consequences of their professional negligence if you request that they do so and document it here. I mean, they could, but perhaps they will take responsibility as they should for actually fixing the problem for ALL (not just Duke).

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
No, the judge clarified the law that agrees with Dr. Harr's logic. However, Dr. Robert's did not write her report with the understanding of the law as the judge had clarified it to be, but rather as that like many on this blog mislead by Walt's wishful logic of the law (in this case) want to see.

Anyway, Dr. Nichols on the stand - ergo Dr. Roberts on the stand (or not) - in otherwords, neither of their conclusions are the verdict - otherwise why even have a trial in the first place. Both were written like they were a verdict instead of a medical report which is required in order to present medical information and evidence to the court.

That is really simple to understand.


Exactly! An important point. The so-called conclusions reached by Drs. Nichols and Roberts were not in the least bit medical, but rather an attempt to base them on flawed law.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Interesting thought. It never occurred to me to go to the State Bar. I don't believe they are at all interested in correcting the problems with the legal system."

What you see as a problem with the legal system is they won't give passes to black people who commit crimes.

"I can't even get the Attorney General's Office, or District Attorneys to look into the perjury issue or fraudulence of the autopsy report."

That's because there was no perjury and there was no fraudulent autopsy report. Someone like you, a minimally trained, minimally experienced person with MD inappropriately appended to his name couldn'tell whether or not an autopsy is fraudulent. Someone who fancies himself a legal when he tries to pass off felony murder as self defense is capable of knowing what perjury is.

Frankly, I don't think they're interested or willing to police the misdeeds and malfeasances of attorneys related to the vendetta case against Mangum..."

Since there is not and never was a vendetta against Cystal, there wee no misdeeds or malfeasance of attorneys related to Crystal.

"after all, the only one they've come after is me."

Which is what you mislabel the Bar Association going after you for your obvious illegal practice of law.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
To Anonymous at 5:16 AM:

Sid also said he would have Mangum out of jail by 7/31/14. Sid has made many predictions. Not one has come to pass.

The speed with which the court disposed of the writ was historic.

I have a hunch the NC Bar will be calling on Sid again, if they haven't already. It will be interesting to hear Sid's argument on why preparing and filing a legal pleading in a court of law on someone else's behalf isn't practising law. It will also be interesting to see how the Bar punishes him this time.


The Bar cannot punish me because I have not done anything illegal. First, a third party can file a Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus... and there is no requirement that that person must be an attorney. Ergo, I was well within legal rights to file it.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEYHARR:

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Let me tell you again why Duke cares about Mangum's conviction. If her conviction is overturned, as it should be, then that shifts the burden for Daye's death on Duke University Hospital (which is responsible for causing Daye's brain death and actual death)."

Since Reginald Daye would never have died when he did if Crystal had not stabbed him, it is res ipsa loquitur that Crystal was responsible for his death.

"As far as attorneys go, there is not one who considers it worth his/her while to antagonize Duke University in order to free Mangum who the media has made a pariah - not unlike O. J. Simpson."

Maybe you could explain how any competent attorney could have advocated effectively for Crystal while you were illegally interfering in her defense and sabotaging their efforts on her behalf.

Crystal made herself a pariah, by falsely accusing innocent men of rape. In any event Crystal would never have been considered any where newsworthy.

Anonymous said...

How does anything that was said in the post show they don't understand that? Of course it is a public record - court filings are. What's your point?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"What you fail to comprehend is that the fact that I filed the habeas corpus (along with its contents) is a matter of record."

Now you are trying to spin this latest of your legal insanity. You failed to have the charges dismissed against Crystal, you failed to have her released on a certain date, and you ave trying to cover your butt again.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Exactly! An important point. The so-called conclusions reached by Drs. Nichols and Roberts were not in the least bit medical, but rather an attempt to base them on flawed law."

So, SIDNEY the minimally trained, minimally experience person with MD appended inappropriately to his name, who spent most of his post medical school career filing and lousing frivolous lawsuits, thinks he is capable of deciding whether any thing is medical and whether anything is legal. He isn't.

That is something else which is res ipsa loquitur.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

What makes you think the law can not punish you for illegal activity, activity like practicing law without a license?

Probably you believe that since the AMA can't punish you for practicing medicine without a license.

Stupid Stupid Stupid.

Anonymous said...

Of course Sid can't be punished by the State Bar - his interpretation of the statute is absolutely correct - as we know, Sid is never wrong.

I am just waiting for him to guarantee that the State Bar can't touch him, then we know it's just a matter of time since every one of you guarantees has turned out to be completely and totally wrong.

Anonymous said...

Sid said:

"The Bar cannot punish me because I have not done anything illegal. First, a third party can file a Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus... and there is no requirement that that person must be an attorney. Ergo, I was well within legal rights to file it."

Good luck with that.

Make sure and let us know how it turns out. You have a bad habit of NOT acknowledging your mistakes, errors and failures.

A Lawyer said...

Dr. Harr,
Perhaps you could enlighten us all by posting the Court of Appeals' Order dismissing your habeas corpus petition. I would like to see the reasons they gave (although I strongly suspect that those reasons will be the same ones that Walt-in-Durham predicted on his blog).

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Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous A Lawyer said...
Dr. Harr,
Perhaps you could enlighten us all by posting the Court of Appeals' Order dismissing your habeas corpus petition. I would like to see the reasons they gave (although I strongly suspect that those reasons will be the same ones that Walt-in-Durham predicted on his blog).


The Order was very brief, stating only that it had been denied. The names of the three judge panel was not given and there was no explanation. I did write the Clerk of Court to request an explanation as to why my habeas was denied, but it is my understanding that it is not required of the panel to give an explanation or reveal names of the three judges deciding. If I hear from the Clerk of Court I will let you know. In the meantime, I filed the same complaint with the Superior Court Division in Durham County on Tuesday, August 5th. Haven't heard back from them yet.

Anonymous said...

If I hear from the Clerk of Court I will let you know. In the meantime, I filed the same complaint with the Superior Court Division in Durham County on Tuesday, August 5th. Haven't heard back from them yet.


So, you filed it after Walt and others told you that your interpretation of the law was incorrect - and I imagine you did no research to try to support your claims. That really won't help you with the State Bar if they come after you. You were on notice that you were wrong, and you simply didn't care, but kept plunging ahead, still without the person's permission.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"The Order was very brief, stating only that it had been denied. The names of the three judge panel was not given and there was no explanation. No explanation should be necessary. Anyone who knows anything about Habas Corpus knows your complaint had no merit. Ewa ipsa loquitur.

"I did write the Clerk of Court to request an explanation as to why my habeas was denied, but it is my understanding that it is not required of the panel to give an explanation or reveal names of the three judges deciding."

How did that stop you for insisting upon an explanation? You havee always trumpetd(way off key, of course, that you are above the law and not bound by it.

"If I hear from the Clerk of Court I will let you know."

You will never hear from the clerk of court and you will never let anyone know why.

"In the meantime, I filed the same complaint with the Superior Court Division in Durham County on Tuesday, August 5th. Haven't heard back from them yet."

All youu will hear back if it is the same complaint. It has already been decided that same complaint hd no merit..

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

REgarding your musing on Dr. Roberts' report, you say that Mr.Daye's arms sowed no evidence of defensiveinjuries. You, delibrately in my opinion, the failure of the EMS personnel to find any defensive injuries on Crystal.The pictures you posted of Crystal confirm that. What you call evidence of a severe brsting id not. Since there was no severe beatin, theere was no evience she actedd in self defense. With your advocacy of doublr felony murdereer Shan Carter, sho would take seriously your allegation that Crystal was seriously beaten. I bet you will ducking answering that question, just like you have ducked many lfacts in the case, like there is no vendetta against Crystal, like Duke was not guilty of Malpractice.

Anonymous said...

When and if the state bar 'comes after' Dr. Harr, Dr. Harr can ask them to take care of the problem themselves instead of insisting he ignore the problem like they are, and document that here too. He might even write them himself and ask them to fix Duke / Durhams duke conflict of issue and bias issue as they should instead of supporting it.

They are why the problem exists like it does in the first place probably, because there is no way they can not be aware of the issue and no way they can say that they aren't responsible for upholding the Constitution and Bill of Rights and laws governing lawyers and conflicts of interest and equal representation for all, and for insuring that the court system and lawyers do so as well in their professional representations.

Anonymous said...

With regard toair in the tissues, i.e. sub cuutaneous emphysema, you show again you are just a minimally trained person with MD appended inappropriately to hia nme. Sub cutaneous emphysema does produce a crepitus sound when the area is ascultated-you do know what ascultation is?? Not surprising that you don't.

Anonymous said...

When and if the state bar 'comes after' Dr. Harr, Dr. Harr can ask them to take care of the problem themselves instead of insisting he ignore the problem like they are, and document that here too. He might even write them himself and ask them to fix Duke / Durhams duke conflict of issue and bias issue as they should instead of supporting it.

They are why the problem exists like it does in the first place probably, because there is no way they can not be aware of the issue and no way they can say that they aren't responsible for upholding the Constitution and Bill of Rights and laws governing lawyers and conflicts of interest and equal representation for all, and for insuring that the court system and lawyers do so as well in their professional representations.




Except the only conflict and issues exist in Sid's head, and not reality. But, you know that - you just like spouting off, you know if you had any real evidence you'd post it - instead you will just tell me to stop trolling you again.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Spaking as one who has been the abdomen dozens of times via that incision during each year when I did practice surgery, visualizing a left diaphragmatic injury through that inciion is difficult, impossibly difficult for a minimally trained minimlaly experienced person with MD appended inppropriately to his name.

Anonymous said...

Are you riding a camel while your typing?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

If the knife used by Crystal as the murder weapon could not only have entered the ab via the flank but also tear a laceration in the colon wall which was 25% of the circummfference?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

The way you descibed Reginald Daye's condition DOS NOT describe anything which sinks to the level of malpractice.

Could you intubate any won who has aspiraated abd rrested in a matter o seconds? YOur status as a minimally experience person with MD appropriately appended to his is incapable of etecting malpractice. If you had to intubate someone under those circumstances. the patient would have died a lot more rapidly han Eeginald aye did. And something you fail to recognize because you ar a minimally trained, minimally experience MD wannabe.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Your evaluation of Reginald Daye's condition prior to intubwtion shows nothing which rose to the level of mlprqctice. Nor does it suggest there was ny ttempt to vover up qnythin. YOUR allegationis sed upon your delusions that there wS venett gqinst Crystal and tha ther was a carpetbadder jihaad

Anonymous said...

Your screaming and running away on a camel?

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Anonymous said...

Sid's just mad they didn't interview him for the TV show.

Nifong Supporter said...



Anonymous Anonymous said...
If I hear from the Clerk of Court I will let you know. In the meantime, I filed the same complaint with the Superior Court Division in Durham County on Tuesday, August 5th. Haven't heard back from them yet.


So, you filed it after Walt and others told you that your interpretation of the law was incorrect - and I imagine you did no research to try to support your claims. That really won't help you with the State Bar if they come after you. You were on notice that you were wrong, and you simply didn't care, but kept plunging ahead, still without the person's permission.


Face it... the Bar's not coming after me because I can file a habeas corpus as a third party. It's the law!!

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

REgarding your musing on Dr. Roberts' report, you say that Mr.Daye's arms sowed no evidence of defensiveinjuries. You, delibrately in my opinion, the failure of the EMS personnel to find any defensive injuries on Crystal.The pictures you posted of Crystal confirm that. What you call evidence of a severe brsting id not. Since there was no severe beatin, theere was no evience she actedd in self defense. With your advocacy of doublr felony murdereer Shan Carter, sho would take seriously your allegation that Crystal was seriously beaten. I bet you will ducking answering that question, just like you have ducked many lfacts in the case, like there is no vendetta against Crystal, like Duke was not guilty of Malpractice.


Excuse me, but esophageal intubation qualifies as medical malpractice.

Nifong Supporter said...


HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Tomorrow, Saturday, August 9, 2014, I plan on posting my next blog... it'll be about the Dottie Amtey case. Should be posted by late afternoon... weather-dependent. (I'm not walking to the library if it's raining.)

Also, typing comments while riding a camel is to be discouraged. It's hard enough making sense of many comments when written in good English.

As you were.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Excuse me, but esophageal intubation qualifies as medical malpractice.

Only a minimally trained, minimally experienced BS aartist with MD appended inappropriately to his name would
attempt to pass himself as an expert on this, of which he has no first hand knowledge.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Excuse me, but esophageal intubation qualifies as medical malpractice."

There is no excuse for you.

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Tomorrow, Saturday, August 9, 2014, I plan on posting my next blog... it'll be about the Dottie Amtey case. Should be posted by late afternoon... weather-dependent. (I'm not walking to the library if it's raining.)"

May the Lord be merciful to Raleigh and to all right minded citizens of NC(that leaves you out, SIDNY) and send raleigh all the rain it needs

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Excuse me, but esophageal intubation qualifies as medical malpractice."

If you were to be called as a possible juror in a medical malpddractice case you would not have to worry about actually being picked. Your knowledge of malpractice is so deficient, if one side did not make a peremptory challenge, then the other side surely would. Think of it. Both sides would work to keep you off the jury. Must be something if both plaintiff and deefense would not want you.

Anonymous said...

I recall times on this blog when posters called you out for some egregious error. Your excuse was always, you were not a trained lawyer. Now, de facto, you are claiming you know more about the law than the state bar.

HAH!!!

What ever happened to your momentoussharlog about corrupt DA NIFONG's troubles, Most likely you abandoed when it became apparent you could write nothing comprehensible.

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Anonymous said...

Interesting how you can take the time (on a blog nominally about Mike Nifong) to write about Dottie Amtey, but can't find the time to write about Darryl Howard.
Why is that?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
I recall times on this blog when posters called you out for some egregious error. Your excuse was always, you were not a trained lawyer. Now, de facto, you are claiming you know more about the law than the state bar.

HAH!!!

What ever happened to your momentoussharlog about corrupt DA NIFONG's troubles, Most likely you abandoed when it became apparent you could write nothing comprehensible.


It's called "haven't gotten around to it yet." I'm only one person, and I've been busy working on the Amtey sharlog which I explained long ago. I concentrate and give priority to sharlogs that deal with Mangum's case as she is incarcerated and Nifong is not. As you know, I've taken time to file petitions with the court. So, in answer to your question, I'll get around to doing a sharlog about the Howard case when I have time.

Nifong Supporter said...


NOTE: Anonymous 08-08-14 @ 8:46pm kenhyderal doctrine is in effect for that comment.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Tomorrow, Saturday, August 9, 2014, I plan on posting my next blog... it'll be about the Dottie Amtey case. Should be posted by late afternoon... weather-dependent. (I'm not walking to the library if it's raining.)"

May the Lord be merciful to Raleigh and to all right minded citizens of NC(that leaves you out, SIDNY) and send raleigh all the rain it needs


Sorry. There was a lull in the rain. I reached the library dry and intact. I will post the blog in a few minutes. Enjoy.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Harr,

Where is kenhyderal?

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"It's called "haven't gotten around to it yet." I'm only one person, and I've been busy working on the Amtey sharlog which I explained long ago."

You were supposed to have had it ready for publishing it weeks ago. Instead of publishing your sharlog you hve come up only with excuses why you have not. Sounds like yoy have nothing yo publish and are trying to cover your butt.

"I concentrate and give priority to sharlogs that deal with Mangum's case as she is incarcerated and Nifong is not. As you know, I've taken time to file petitions with the court."

In other words you can't explain why you have not published anything, either about Crystal or about corrupt SIDNEY..

"So, in answer to your question, I'll get around to doing a sharlog about the Howard case when I have time."

And somehow you can never deliver on promises you make. That does not inspire confidence inyou

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

"Sorry. There was a lull in the rain. I reached the library dry and intact. I will post the blog in a few minutes. Enjoy."

But the water running off your carcass has seriously polluted Ealeigh.

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