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It is the adopted policy to post letters of pertinence regarding Mangum's case on this blog site. The reason is to give as much transparency towards the investigation and advocacy of the issues related to the abysmal and horrific treatment of Crystal Mangum by the media, State, and others.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 1133 Newer› Newest»Dr. Harr,
The fact that the duke campus police just arrested a taxi driver for a felonious sexual assault charge and he was placed under a half million dollar bond leaving four young children without a father in a system stacked completely against him because of the duke involvement for allegedly trying to hand back a cellphone being left in his vehicle by a (probably) drunk duke female student is an example of things to come for all duke med patients. The reason for this is that there is a law just passed that makes it a felony to assault any medical or social worker, etc., anywhere on the setting of the medical facility. So if the duke university campus police are going to charge a felony for inappropriate touching by turning it into a sexual assault claim does NOT bode well for anyone in the vicinity of any duke person (since ya just never know their occupation status ya know) without facing 1/2 million dollar bonds and the possibility of ten years in prison or more for reaching out to return a cellphone (or whatever).
Can you imagine? Ya got a guy strapped to a machine with a tube stuck down their throat that reaches out to a nurse because the patient can't speak, and the next thing you know the guy is being wheeled into the ER ex-ray room for an unneeded intubation procedure and (well we all know what's next) yup ... brain death (that's so they don't have to cart the guy down to the Durham jail on a gurney to place him under 1/2 million bond and the possibility of 10 years behind bars for needing a nurses attention in the first place). And ya know, that very well could happen. It is not something that duke would want to dispute for sure because ... they will just do it ... because ... they can.
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
The fact that the duke campus police just arrested a taxi driver for a felonious sexual assault charge and he was placed under a half million dollar bond leaving four young children without a father in a system stacked completely against him because of the duke involvement for allegedly trying to hand back a cellphone being left in his vehicle by a (probably) drunk duke female student is an example of things to come for all duke med patients. The reason for this is that there is a law just passed that makes it a felony to assault any medical or social worker, etc., anywhere on the setting of the medical facility. So if the duke university campus police are going to charge a felony for inappropriate touching by turning it into a sexual assault claim does NOT bode well for anyone in the vicinity of any duke person (since ya just never know their occupation status ya know) without facing 1/2 million dollar bonds and the possibility of ten years in prison or more for reaching out to return a cellphone (or whatever).
Can you imagine? Ya got a guy strapped to a machine with a tube stuck down their throat that reaches out to a nurse because the patient can't speak, and the next thing you know the guy is being wheeled into the ER ex-ray room for an unneeded intubation procedure and (well we all know what's next) yup ... brain death (that's so they don't have to cart the guy down to the Durham jail on a gurney to place him under 1/2 million bond and the possibility of 10 years behind bars for needing a nurses attention in the first place). And ya know, that very well could happen. It is not something that duke would want to dispute for sure because ... they will just do it ... because ... they can.
August 23, 2015 at 1:38 PM"
Once again your incredible stupidity and ignorance are so evident.
"It is the adopted policy to post letters of pertinence regarding Mangum's case on this blog site. The reason is to give as much transparency towards the investigation and advocacy of the issues related to the abysmal and horrific treatment of Crystal Mangum by the media, State, and others."
Meaning, I(mr. harr) want to get my favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
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The victim said she was sexually assaulted by the cab driver. Shouldn't her claim that she was sexually assaulted be afforded the same deference as Mangum's rape claim was, unless and until it can be shown it isn't true?
Let's let this play out. It's possible the man is guilty; it's possible that he's innocent. I imagine there will be a trial, but maybe not.
How do you know that is what the victim said? The paper indicates that an "inappropriate touching" (re: allegedly the cab driver says he 'held her' to give the cellphone that was being left behind to her) was turned into a felony sexual assault charge. How does "inappropriate touching" turn into a sexual assault felony charges in any other place but duke looking for trouble to pacify their egos? How do you know the duke campus police didn't blow the entire incident out of context in order to fuel whatever political games duke is planning on playing this year at the expense of their students, patients, the entire general population, and the nation? Wonder how long they will keep him in jail under excessive bond for wanting to give the student the phone that was being left in his car? Hands up - Don't Shoot your Sexual Assault Charges my way - the newest rally cry for taxi drivers everywhere!
TinFoil,
We're not interested in your crocodile tears.
I always wondered how Crystal made a living as a stripper or a prostitute.I feel sorry for her victims.Hopefully she will die in prison.That's where Nifong belongs too.
Sid wrote: " I did take the time to put together a link directly to that handwritten notarized letter."
Well, Crystal's long history of bad decision making continues. She has no one to blame but herself for the inevitable denial of her petition for discretionary review.
Walt-in-Durham
Walt said...
Sid wrote: " I did take the time to put together a link directly to that handwritten notarized letter."
Well, Crystal's long history of bad decision making continues. She has no one to blame but herself for the inevitable denial of her petition for discretionary review.
Walt-in-Durham
Hah, Walt.
Mangum's Pro Se petition has favorable odds of being granted. The reason she's in the predicament that she finds herself is due to placing faith in her turncoat attorneys. At least now she stands a chance of getting justice.
Ding-a-ling.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How do you know that is what the victim said? The paper indicates that an "inappropriate touching" (re: allegedly the cab driver says he 'held her' to give the cellphone that was being left behind to her) was turned into a felony sexual assault charge. How does "inappropriate touching" turn into a sexual assault felony charges in any other place but duke looking for trouble to pacify their egos? How do you know the duke campus police didn't blow the entire incident out of context in order to fuel whatever political games duke is planning on playing this year at the expense of their students, patients, the entire general population, and the nation? Wonder how long they will keep him in jail under excessive bond for wanting to give the student the phone that was being left in his car? Hands up - Don't Shoot your Sexual Assault Charges my way - the newest rally cry for taxi drivers everywhere!
I believe this case is akin to Mangum's in that the Durham Police only listened to Daye's account of what happened before rushing to judge that Crystal committed a crime without even getting her side of the story. In the so-called "sexual assault taxi cab case", Durham Police again, it appears, did no investigation to hear the cab driver's side of the story before cuffing him and placing him under half a million dollar bond.
The police definition of sexual assault seems to be inconsistent depending on who the victim and the alleged suspect(s) happen to be.
Tinfoil:
Didn't anyone ever teach you the difference between "good touch" and "bad touch"?
I also find the claim that the cab driver "held" the student to return her cell phone odd. Just the other day I left my cell phone behind in an office I was visiting. Before I made it to my car, the person I had visited came out and handed me my phone. There was no "holding" involved. He just said. "Hey, Abe, you forgot your phone" and then he handed my phone to me. We didn't touch each other in any way. There was no holding of any kind involved. I can't think of any scenario where it would be necessary to hold someone to give them a cell phone. Can you?
Finally, is it your position that all sexual assault accusations are to be disbelieved, or just those made by Duke students?
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Sid - How do you determine "favorable odds"?
"In the so-called "sexual assault taxi cab case", Durham Police again, it appears, did no investigation to hear the cab driver's side of the story..."
Here's Sid...Advocating for someone falsely accused of sexual assault.
Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
"Nifong Supporter said...
"At least now she stands a chance of getting justice."
She got justice when she was convicted of the murder of Reginald Daye.
"Ding-a-ling."
Very self descriptive of you.
Nifong Supporter said...
"The police definition of sexual assault seems to be inconsistent depending on who the victim and the alleged suspect(s) happen to be."
mr.harrs description: if the accuser is black and the accused are well off white men, then the accused must be presumed guilty and all evidence of their innocence must be suppressed.
Does anyone know if Mr. Hezam is a Duke LAX fan?
Abe,
The taxi driver is Iraqi - needed an Arabian speaking interpreter at the court house - perhaps he didn't know what to say - so he reached for her to get her attention - but the student apparently didn't understand his non-verbal communication. An entirely different situation from the one you describe - but you would think MOST would understand that if they read and thought a bit before speaking ... ya know.
I'm not condoning what he did or didn't do - I am just wondering how it turned into a felony sexual assault charge - seems like a very far stretch - esp. with a 1/2 million dollar bond. Anyway - the entire system is stacked against him to begin with - and duke knows that because they are the reason the system is the way it is - they didn't even question him first - and unlike some of the fraternity rape cases that goes uncharged - this was a father with 4 kids trying to give back a cellphone.
Like I said, duke is in full swing destroying people's lives. It isn't even Sept. yet.
Hah, Walt.
Mangum's Pro Se petition has favorable odds of being granted. The reason she's in the predicament that she finds herself is due to placing faith in her turncoat attorneys. At least now she stands a chance of getting justice.
Ding-a-ling.
Dr. Harr,
Please read the comment I left on this thread on August 13 at 10:35 a.m.
Whoever advised Mangum to file this document with the North Carolina Supreme Court did her a serious disservice, that may result in her serving a longer sentence than if it was filed in the correct court at the correct time.
Sid wrote: "Hah, Walt.
Mangum's Pro Se petition has favorable odds of being granted. The reason she's in the predicament that she finds herself is due to placing faith in her turncoat attorneys. At least now she stands a chance of getting justice.
Ding-a-ling."
About as much chance as your other baseless litigation has had. You're the only turncoat involved in this whole saga.
Walt-in-Durham
Tinfoil said:
"The taxi driver is Iraqi - needed an Arabian speaking interpreter at the court house - perhaps he didn't know what to say - so he reached for her to get her attention - but the student apparently didn't understand his non-verbal communication. An entirely different situation from the one you describe - but you would think MOST would understand that if they read and thought a bit before speaking ... ya know."
You have to assume an awful lot to get to the outcome you want. All I know is that the student alleged she was sexually assaulted and the cab driver apparently admitted he grabbed her. Beyond that neither you nor I know what particular act(s) is/are alleged to have occurred, or what evidence there is of the assault.
Certainly, the student's claim couldn't be any more ridiculous, unsubstantiated or patently false than the claim made against the lacrosse players by Mangum. I don't recall hearing you or Sid whine and complain when they were arrested, charged and held on extremely high bail.
We should wait and see what the evidence is before deciding guilt or innocence.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe,
I was not aware of these blogs as they are until I read about the malpractice issues and came to investigate further because of medical emergency issues I was personally dealing with at the time. So your accusing me of ANYTHING is just wrong ... apologize now. Thank you.
You do not have to assume anything - the guy required an Arabian translator. Maybe he didn't have time to consult his Arabian/American dictionary to get the right words to say hey lady - your cellphone. Not hard to understand that for MOST. How do you know the student alleged she was sexually assualted? How do you know that the duke campus police didn't just turn her complaint into a much bigger issue and proceeded to arrest the man themselves without due process? Right, YOU don't.
blah
Anonymous 12:04,
You don't know anything either. I realize you enjoy making trouble. Nevertheless, please wait until this plays out in court, or is settled some other way.
I don't enjoy making trouble like you do non-stop on this blog evil duke troll it cristinia g... hatemonger blogmonger. But I can talk about that case as much as I want to - especially when a large part of this blog is devoted to discussing the corruption of the Duke / Durham / NC injustice system. What is YOUR problem anyway? Ya'll sit on this blog and whine and cry about the lacrosse case until you are blue in the face, but you see anyone else suffering from the same corrupt system and ya'll start attacking the person who complains. What's up with THAT anyway?
Tinfoil,
Behave yourself.
August 24, 2015 at 12:51 PM
egad! seriously ... just egad and egad!
what are you anyway? an overly politically correct evil duke troll looking for trouble to pacify your ego ... or what?
blah
TinFoil,
No answers for you until you answer my questions of June 2.
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't enjoy making trouble like you do non-stop on this blog evil duke troll it cristinia g... hatemonger blogmonger. But I can talk about that case as much as I want to - especially when a large part of this blog is devoted to discussing the corruption of the Duke / Durham / NC injustice system. What is YOUR problem anyway? Ya'll sit on this blog and whine and cry about the lacrosse case until you are blue in the face, but you see anyone else suffering from the same corrupt system and ya'll start attacking the person who complains. What's up with THAT anyway?
August 24, 2015 at 12:39 PM"
Boy are you incredibly stressed out over your incredible stupidity.
" Anonymous said...
August 24, 2015 at 12:51 PM
egad! seriously ... just egad and egad!
what are you anyway? an overly politically correct evil duke troll looking for trouble to pacify your ego ... or what?
blah
August 24, 2015 at 1:04 PM"
Boy are you incredibly stressed out over your incredible stupidity
August 24, 2015 at 1:21 PM
Right - and you are the evil duke troll who publicly states on this blog that you wish Ms. Mangum dies in jail and Mr. Nifong commits suicide right? right
Apparently you are so incredibly stressed about your own incredible stupidity to the point that you obsessively project it on to others because ya still don't get your own stupidity do you?
blah
TinFoil,
Just to make the situation clear:
A lot of us don't particularly like Duke. In particular, we find Dick Brodhead quite unpleasant.
Now you come along and complain, complain, complain endlessly about Duke. The trouble is that you are so incredibly unpleasant that most of us now feel that if someone like you complains about Duke so much, then it can't be all bad.
I'm sorry we dislike you so much; I'm sure you have friends who find you very sweet and personable. The great majority of posters on this blog, however, simply cannot stand you.
August 24, 2015 at 1:15 PM
can you just make that no answers and no posts (like i've repeatedly ask from you since all you are is an evil duke troll it cristinia g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger in every regard on this blog)
thanks
August 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM
Who made you queen of the evil duke troll gang anyway evil duke troll it cristina g... hatemonger blogmonger? You? So - you speak for the entire evil duke troll gang and lead them on in their cyberbullying ways eh? You hate anyone who complains about duke except for ya'lls entitled whining and complaining about the same - so truly - who gives a whadzoo about what you think? Not me, certainly.
Sid is still clinging to Felony Murder, even though it's been shown that it didn't apply. That fact alone is proof positive that he's either a blithering, delusional idiot, or this whole thing is a joke to him.
Kenny, which is it? Why does Sid keep bringing up a completely false and discredited legal theory?
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
August 24, 2015 at 1:21 PM
Right - and you are the evil duke troll who publicly states on this blog that you wish Ms. Mangum dies in jail and Mr. Nifong commits suicide right? right"
Wrong.
"Apparently you are so incredibly stressed about your own incredible stupidity to the point that you obsessively project it on to others because ya still don't get your own stupidity do you?
blah"
You are really incredibly stressed out over your incredible vicious stupidity.
August 24, 2015 at 1:35 PM
Anonymous
"Anonymous said...
August 24, 2015 at 1:15 PM
can you just make that no answers and no posts (like i've repeatedly ask from you since all you are is an evil duke troll it cristinia g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger in every regard on this blog)
thanks
August 24, 2015 at 1:45 PM"
What an incredibly graphic manifestation of your incredible vicious stupidity.
really? how so? ???
Where's the real Kenhyderal? I want to read his take on the PDR situation. I want to know if he's read both documents, and if he thinks Crystal should have had the Petersen PDR rescinded in favor of the one Sid created?
Look, TinFoil,
We just find you incredibly unpleasant.
I see no reason why I should stop pointing this out to you. You can ask me to stop, but I won't, because you ask in a very unpleasant manner.
So what evil duke troll it cristina g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger cyberbully.
You are beyond unpleasant in every regard. Copy this post after each of your posts if you must until you get it.
blah
Try to ask nicely, and maybe I'll stop.
August 24, 2015 at 3:17 PM
egad and egad
ask yourself to stop why don't ya evil duke troll it cristina g... hatemonger blogmonger - nicely or not - who gives a whadzoo really - you are just a cyberbully - so what
Tin Foil,
El que lo dice lo es.
whatever cyberbullying evil duke troll it cristia g...
does THAT make you feel better yet? ???
As a matter of fact, yes.
Tinfoil,
You told us earlier this month that you were finished posting at this blog. What happened?
Back to the taxi driver issue.
This is Duke's news for the day:
Duke University responds to summer reading controversy
DURHAM (WTVD) -- Note: abc11 news on-line education section
Some members of the Class of 2019 at Duke University chose not to read the recommended summer book "Fun Home."
...
The Duke Chronicle reported that [a] Freshman ... chose not to read it. He explained in part on the Class of 2019 Facebook page, "because of the graphic visual depictions of sexuality."
...
Note: Read the rest of the article for Duke's position on the issue.
Then consider that the duke campus police just went and arrested a father of four for trying to give a duke student back her cellphone in an 'inappropriate' manner, charging him with a felony sexual assault charge with the possibility of over 10 years in prison and an excessive 1/2 million dollar bond. The guy needs an Arabic translator and is probably not aware of the extent of the duke conflicts within the duke / Durham / NC injustice system.
There is just something really wrong with all of that (even beyond what is already really wrong with duke).
And the reason that you continue to post is?
Actually, he was arrested for allegedly sexually assaulting a Duke student.
Our good buddy Tinfoil?
Sorry, TinFoil,
I hadn't realized that you're the taxi driver.
Hope you can work this out.
Post 1 Defense (SHORT WARNING, defense, and explanation to ALL): NOTE 1: This post may be copied over and over by the trolls who make a game of copying and pasting plagiarized posts on this blog so they can troll and cyberbully this blog repeatedly at the expense of others - namely guiowen alias the evil duke troll it g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger and its evil gang of evil duke trolls ... and the like. g... is on a roll as usual ... but its not me ... its it. This is done as a tool for further defense, warning, and explanation FOR HISTORY, as needed as will be as long as the game continues ... blah~
My last post was made on (see my copied/pasted post below of July 31, 2015 at 10:24 AM:
NOTE 2: With the exception of this one made in defense of the relentless cyberbullying perpetuated by guiowen and gang, posted 8/3/15 am. This will forever be your answer g... ... get over it~
Anonymous said...
glad to be of 'help' g... you and your wife must be awfully proud of yourselves now
July 31, 2015 at 10:24 AM
TinFoil said
"My last post was made on (see my copied/pasted post below of July 31, 2015 at 10:24 AM: "
WOULD THAT IT WERE SO!
"Anonymous said...
Post 1 Defense (SHORT WARNING, defense, and explanation to ALL): NOTE 1: This post may be copied over and over by the trolls who make a game of copying and pasting plagiarized posts on this blog so they can troll and cyberbully this blog repeatedly at the expense of others - namely guiowen alias the evil duke troll it g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger and its evil gang of evil duke trolls ... and the like. g... is on a roll as usual ... but its not me ... its it. This is done as a tool for further defense, warning, and explanation FOR HISTORY, as needed as will be as long as the game continues ... blah~
My last post was made on (see my copied/pasted post below of July 31, 2015 at 10:24 AM:
NOTE 2: With the exception of this one made in defense of the relentless cyberbullying perpetuated by guiowen and gang, posted 8/3/15 am. This will forever be your answer g... ... get over it~"
boy are you stresed out over your incredible stupidity.
Sounds like duke is overcompensating in charging the taxi driver with felony sexual assualt because some parents (and students) have complained about the summer reading list inclusion of "Fun Home" and/or other duke rape issues. That is not justice. It is politics duke style. But there is an entire family with four kids torn apart because of the games that duke plays (this time). The school year has barely begun. ... Next.
In other news, Durham police have stepped up patrols due to four (five counting the one that just happened) seperate shooting incidents that left numerous persons injured in the past four days. One where a child's birthday party was torn apart by drive-by shooting. (see the news for details)
Could it be that there is no peace because there is no justice?
???
Duke isn't charging the taxi driver, dumbass.
TinFoil said,
"Who made you queen of the evil duke troll gang anyway evil duke troll it cristina g... hatemonger blogmonger? You? So - you speak for the entire evil duke troll gang and lead them on in their cyberbullying ways eh?"
Actually, Tinfoil, I don't speak for anyone else. I merely express my opinion of you. Can I help it if everyone else here shares my opinion?
Yes they are - why do you think they aren't?
It was the duke campus police who went and arrested him and charged him - not the durham police (per abc11 news).
g... it isn't everyone else's opinion - just yours and your many nefarious aliases and characters - which you have made clear from day one.
blah
That's what you think!
"Hazem’s arrest had been referred to police who enforce taxi and parking regulations and to the city attorney’s office.
It was unclear Friday if the city can or should take any action because of a driver’s arrest."
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/crime/article31706078.html#storylink=cpy
Next.
Fake Kenhyderal said...
"In the so-called "sexual assault taxi cab case", Durham Police again, it appears, did no investigation to hear the cab driver's side of the story..."
Here's Sid...Advocating for someone falsely accused of sexual assault.
Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
I don't know whether the accusations against the cab driver are true or false. The only thing I advocate is for justice. Whether in the cab case or the Daye stabbing case, the Durham Police should have done a basic investigation to include questioning both sides prior to bringing out the cuffs and making an arrest.
Anonymous said...
Sid is still clinging to Felony Murder, even though it's been shown that it didn't apply. That fact alone is proof positive that he's either a blithering, delusional idiot, or this whole thing is a joke to him.
Kenny, which is it? Why does Sid keep bringing up a completely false and discredited legal theory?
Answer me this: Why did the Durham prosecutors charge Mangum with two counts of Larceny of Chose in Action at the same time they charged her with murder? It's elementary Sherlockian deduction.
" Nifong Supporter said...
"I don't know whether the accusations against the cab driver are true or false. The only thing I advocate is for justice."
boy are you seriously and pathologically deluded.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Whether in the cab case or the Daye stabbing case, the Durham Police should have done a basic investigation to include questioning both sides prior to bringing out the cuffs and making an arrest."
In the Duke Lacrosse case, your boy corrupt da nifong avoided talking to the innocent, falsely accused lacrosse players because he did not want to hear any exculpatory evidence. Yet you call one of the most corrupt prosecutors i US and NC history a decent, honorable minister of justice.
Yes you are seriously and pathologically deluded.
Mr. harr
You are more than seriously and pathologically deluded.
You are a seriously and pathologically deluded hypocrite.
Dr. Harr,
The N and O article states that the student told police that the cab driver "touched her". It doesn't say anywhere that I read that the student said she was sexually assaulted. The Duke campus police turned the incident into a media event (possibly to satisfy alumni and/or parental concerns after a summer reading list selection of a book with sexual overtones that went against the religious and moral beliefs of some). The taxi driver is also from Iraq which may play into the arrest if the theory that the summer reading book selection offended some of the powerful Christian duke patrons that were mentioned when some at duke tried to broadcast the Islam call to pray from towers on the Duke Chapel.
From the abc11 news reports, it appears that that the duke campus police were the ones who arrested and charged the driver, not the Durham police.
I mention this because it is an example of the injustice duke doles out to those whom just happen to fit into some category of political agenda that duke can utilize to further their donor / alumni base agenda pandering without respect for law, justice, or the well being of any.
Fake KH said: "Where's the real Kenhyderal? I want to read his take on the PDR situation. I want to know if he's read both documents, and if he thinks Crystal should have had the Petersen PDR rescinded in favor of the one Sid created?"................................................................... Peterson's PDR was much improved on the self-defence issue then her weak effort in the appeal. I speculated whether both PDR's could be considered. Perhaps Walt or A Lawyer could comment. Crystal has no confidence in Peterson, though. Crystal's PDR raised all the other issues besides the single self-defence issue PDR of Peterson. For Justice to be served all issues should be considered.
For justice to be served ALL the issues should have been presented to the DA when the case first presented itself. The DA should have had the state medical examiner investigated right away instead of allowing Dr. Nichols to continue corrupting numerous other murder cases, including this one.
You say that Ms. Peterson's PDR is much improved on the self-defense issue than her weak effort in the appeal brief. Did she correct the date of death and include the Duke malpractice issues on the PDR? If not, it is not a valid PDR. How many years is Ms. Mangum incarcerated because of Ms. Peterson's inability to even represent the case for her client, Ms. Mangum, in any form of factual and relevant submittal? How many more lives has Duke squandered with their deadly malpractice since Mr. Daye's death?
The medical examiners system in NC is still under the impression that they can corrupt autopsy reports at their pleasure no doubt. This is after how many years of pointing out the issues to them?
TinFoil,
Don't cry so much. I'd like to say it doesn't become you -- but I guess it's what one can expect from you.
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
For justice to be served ALL the issues should have been presented to the DA when the case first presented itself. The DA should have had the state medical examiner investigated right away instead of allowing Dr. Nichols to continue corrupting numerous other murder cases, including this one.
You say that Ms. Peterson's PDR is much improved on the self-defense issue than her weak effort in the appeal brief. Did she correct the date of death and include the Duke malpractice issues on the PDR? If not, it is not a valid PDR. How many years is Ms. Mangum incarcerated because of Ms. Peterson's inability to even represent the case for her client, Ms. Mangum, in any form of factual and relevant submittal? How many more lives has Duke squandered with their deadly malpractice since Mr. Daye's death?
The medical examiners system in NC is still under the impression that they can corrupt autopsy reports at their pleasure no doubt. This is after how many years of pointing out the issues to them?
August 25, 2015 at 10:02 AM"
You are incredibly and viciously stupid.
Sid - Felony Murder has been explained to you, and you still ignore it and bring it up. The elementary deduction is you intentionally ignore it because you want to keep abusing Crystal - and keep telling her those that don't agree with you on Felony Murder (that is, those who know the law), are wrong and trying to betray her.
You are a sad, pathetic disgrace.
Blogger guiowen said...
TinFoil,
Just to make the situation clear:
A lot of us don't particularly like Duke. In particular, we find Dick Brodhead quite unpleasant.
August 24, 2015 at 1:43 PM
If you don't like duke and blame Mr. Brodhead for your disillusion don't you think that actually trying to do something about the harm that duke causes to so many is more appropriate course of action than sitting on this blog insulting and cyberbullying those who do try to right and make clear the injustice that stems from duke?
If anything is in need of your personal malicious critique for no other reason than to cyberbully and attack others for your own personal entertainment and enjoyment, it is yourself - by yourself. You personally might even benefit from it. But, just to be clear, noone else is interested in your evil malicious critique for no other reason than to entertain yourself, so you might want to do so privately.
Don't post to me again as I personally find your cyberbullying malicious attacks hateful, composed mainly of your own self-projected issues, and subject to legal complaint. Thanks.
But TinFoil,
I enjoy writing to you!
August 25, 2015 at 2:55 PM
No, you enjoy being a cyberbully with the sole intent to annoy and attempt to harm and support the harm of others.
My, TinFoil,
It seems you got up on the wrong side of bed today.
But then, you always do!
August 25, 2015 at 4:06 PM
Do you EVER stop evil duke troll it cristina g... tinfoil hatemonger blogmonger cyberbully? I mean really. This blog is NOT about you. Get over it.
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Dr. Harr,
In you letter to Mr. Charns you state that the defense autopsy report was not physically placed in Ms. Mangum's hands until three days before the verdict. It appeared from watching the trial that it was just three HOURS before the verdict that the written report was actually given to Ms. Mangum. Can you clarify this fact further please? Thank you.
No, TinFoil. The blog is not about me. It was once about Nifong, then about Mangum. Now however you've taken it over so it's all about you.
If that is what you think (which obviously is another of your self-projections) g..., lets all talk about you then. So ... what do you think about the two letters Dr. Harr has recently posted to this blog?
No answers for you, TinFoil, until you answer my questions of June 2.
No, this blog is now all about you g... since you insist on cyberbullying consistently on a daily basis in an attempt to make it so.
Obviously you haven't taken the time to read the letters yet, so have no opinion on them. Is that correct? We are all interested in your thoughts on them since they are the current postings of importance, so get back to us when you have any. Thanks.
No answers for you, TinFoil!
Well, well g...
You have no thoughts to share on the current issues of importance on this blog. So, what else of importance to this blog would you like to share that all may be interested in hearing? Don't talk to me g... - talk to others who may be interested in the issues of importance to this blog that will help to make this blog all about you. Leave me out of it because you would not want to make it seem like this blog is about anyone but yourself - because the spotlight is all on you - for now this blog is all about what you think about the issues of importance to this blog. So ... go for it. We are all waiting to hear your thoughts on each and every topic of importance to this blog, including yourself, that you have. Remember, it is Not about me - it is all about you.
If Sidney asks me, I;ll be happy to discuss it with him.
I've no interest in talking to someone like you.
Then don't do it - like I've asked you repeatedly in response to your persistent evil cyberbullying. Sheesh Loius and Heloise. ... Blah
Sorry, TinFoil, I just enjoy sending you my notes.
Why don't you write them on sticky notes and paste them to your mirror. Soon, you will be able to see only your own noted self projections, and thus you will finally be able to see yourself in notes sent to yourself and posted to your mirror as a reflection of yourself. How long will it take before you get tired of your self bullying do you think? From your performance on this blog, you should be able to keep yourself entertained for years on end and this blog can again be about Dr. Harr's quest for justice in an unjust system like it is set up to be and not just about your quest to disrupt this blog with your obsessive cyberbullying self-projections.
"I speculated whether both PDR's could be considered. Perhaps Walt or A Lawyer could comment. Crystal has no confidence in Peterson, though. Crystal's PDR raised all the other issues besides the single self-defence issue PDR of Peterson. For Justice to be served all issues should be considered."
Kenny - Sid has advised Crystal to have the Petersen PDR rescinded, so there should be no way both are considered.
Do you think Sid having Crystal rescind the Petersen PDR was ill-advised?
Kenhyderal wrote: " Perhaps Walt or A Lawyer could comment. Crystal has no confidence in Peterson, though. Crystal's PDR raised all the other issues besides the single self-defence issue PDR of Peterson. For Justice to be served all issues should be considered."
First, Sid and Crystal failed to raise any issues at all. They did not cite to the record, the only place where evidence may be found. They did not cite to authority for any of their propositions. The court will not engage in it's own hunt for authority to act when a litigant fails to do so. A lazy litigant is just that, lazy. Worse, for Crystal, as this is a discretionary appeal, she is under the statutory burden to show the court why it has jurisdiction to hear anything. She didn't do that. She didn't even try.
Second, Crystal's petition through Peterson, raised the only issue the court can review, the 404(b) evidence. She did it well. If Crystal persists in her course of disavowing her initial petition, she's lost everything.
That said, she's an adult. It's her decision to make. She has a long history of bad decision making, so I am not all that surprised that she would disavow a better effort at a poor one. Watching a person self-destruct as Crystal has is not fun. Watching Sid push her along this path is disgusting. With friends like Sid, Crystal really doesn't need any enemies.
Walt-in-Durham
Walt, 1s "lazy litigant" a euphemism for an incompetent legal representative. Meier provided lazy and inadequate representation at trial. Peterson provided the same in the appeal. Who is there to seek relief for the failure to give Crystal a proper defense. Who is there to help overturn conviction for a crime she did not commit ie Second Degree Murder. Failure to meet legal niceties should not trump the search for justice. You seem to concede that Crystal received a less then vigorous defence by her Court appointed Attorneys; something she is constitutionally entitled to.
Ms. Petersen can not harm Ms. Mangum per the State Bar rules that apply when a valid complainant files a complaint against a relevant lawyer, right? So it is up to Ms. Petersen to submit a valid document to the correct court in the legally sanctioned manner to correct her first incorrect submittal per her state bar sanctioned responsibilities, including issues of conflict of interest and bias. It is up to Ms. Petersen to do the right thing, and if she does not, it is up to Ms. Mangum to file another complaint with the State Bar. Right?
Walt, Ms. Mangum can make the complaint with all validation and proof that her lack of adequate legal representation is the fault of Ms. Petersen and not her responsibility, but the State Bars, the courts, and Ms. Petersen, etc. That is how the legal system works, right?
Failure to meet legal niceties should not trump the search for justice.
I posted this on the first page of this thread:
"Ineffective assistance of counsel could have been raised in an MAR. It can't be raised in a Petition for Review to the Supreme Court when the issue was not raised in the Court of Appeals. This is not 'injustice,' it's the way the court system works. My wife could cheat on me with the entire Duke Lacrosse team, but if I sue her for a divorce in Traffic Court, I will lose because Traffic Court has no power to grant divorces. Walt could beat me over the head with a baseball bat on national TV, but if I sue him for assault in Probate Court, I will lose because Probate Court has no power to hear assault cases."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
The N and O article states that the student told police that the cab driver "touched her". It doesn't say anywhere that I read that the student said she was sexually assaulted. The Duke campus police turned the incident into a media event (possibly to satisfy alumni and/or parental concerns after a summer reading list selection of a book with sexual overtones that went against the religious and moral beliefs of some). The taxi driver is also from Iraq which may play into the arrest if the theory that the summer reading book selection offended some of the powerful Christian duke patrons that were mentioned when some at duke tried to broadcast the Islam call to pray from towers on the Duke Chapel.
From the abc11 news reports, it appears that that the duke campus police were the ones who arrested and charged the driver, not the Durham police.
I mention this because it is an example of the injustice duke doles out to those whom just happen to fit into some category of political agenda that duke can utilize to further their donor / alumni base agenda pandering without respect for law, justice, or the well being of any.
The paucity of coverage after the initial barrage makes me believe that the media realizes that much ado was made out of an innocent act by the cab driver to see that the Duke coed did not leave her cell phone in the cab. ABC-11 was the only media outlet that I am aware of that even presented the cab driver's version of events. Of the media market in Raleigh/Durham area, ABC-11 is clearly the best (which is not saying much). WRAL and McClatchy newspapers are extremely biased in their coverage.
For your edification, some of the accounts that I found online suggest that the cab driver may have had contact with the coed's breast.
The fact that the case did not turn out the way Mangum and Sid hoped it would, the fact that there was no evidence to support Mangum and Sid's claims and the fact that Sid disagrees with and/or does not understand the law does not mean Mangum received "lazy or inadequate representation."
Mangum is in prison because the state proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, to a jury of 12, that Mangum is culpable for Mr. Daye's death. The state's case was very straight forward and not a particularly difficult to present. It did not take the jury very long to sort thru the evidence and reach a unanimous conclusion.
Mangum chose to disregard the advice of competent attorneys at every step of her case, in lieu of listening to Sid. That is a big reason why she is in the mess she is in. She would have been in a mess whether she listened to her attorneys or not, but disregarding sound legal advice made the mess much bigger than it had to be.
There is no valid complaint to be made against any of Mangum's attorneys. They did the best they could with the facts and the law of the case, a client who refused to listen to them, and a meddling non-party who was actively undermining their efforts and acting against the legal interests of their client. Now that Mangum has abandoned her attorney's 404(b) argument, there is no basis for an appeal. No competent attorney will touch this case as long as Sid is hovering around and has Mangum's ear. All that is left is for Mangum to do her time.
If someone set out to do everything they could to undermine Mangum's defense and make sure she received the worst legal outcome and harshest sentence possible, they would have a hard time doing a better job of it than Sid has done.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Anonymous Anonymous said...
For justice to be served ALL the issues should have been presented to the DA when the case first presented itself. The DA should have had the state medical examiner investigated right away instead of allowing Dr. Nichols to continue corrupting numerous other murder cases, including this one.
You say that Ms. Peterson's PDR is much improved on the self-defense issue than her weak effort in the appeal brief. Did she correct the date of death and include the Duke malpractice issues on the PDR? If not, it is not a valid PDR. How many years is Ms. Mangum incarcerated because of Ms. Peterson's inability to even represent the case for her client, Ms. Mangum, in any form of factual and relevant submittal? How many more lives has Duke squandered with their deadly malpractice since Mr. Daye's death?
The medical examiners system in NC is still under the impression that they can corrupt autopsy reports at their pleasure no doubt. This is after how many years of pointing out the issues to them?
Clearly the medical examiner system in North Carolina is corrupted and severely lacking in oversight... actually oversight is nonexistent. This is very problematic as the medical examiners' reports are the basis, in many instances, of determining what charge is to be levied. For example, when Dottie Amtey strangled her debilitated husband, the medical examiner Dr. Nichols declared that his death was due to natural causes because he "died from a heart attack while she was in the process of strangling him." Dr. Nichols recommended that Ms. Amtey be charged with assault and not murder/manslaughter. In another case, Lennon Lacy's obvious lynching was determined to be a suicide rather than homicide despite the fact that he was strung up in a Klan stronghold county of Bladen, and he was an African American teenage boy dating a middle aged white divorcee. Because of the medical examiner's manner of death, no criminal investigation was undertaken. An out of state example of the power of the medical examiner is the recent example in Texas where Sandra Bland's death was determined to be suicide... extremely outrageous. But the power of the medical examiner in North Carolina remains unchecked and unregulated.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
In you letter to Mr. Charns you state that the defense autopsy report was not physically placed in Ms. Mangum's hands until three days before the verdict. It appeared from watching the trial that it was just three HOURS before the verdict that the written report was actually given to Ms. Mangum. Can you clarify this fact further please? Thank you.
For more than a month, Mangum had sought a written report from Dr. Christena L. Roberts about the Daye autopsy and circumstances of his death. She received the written report several days prior to the Friday, November 22, 2013 verdict. Meier gave her the report (which was not dated) and warned her against sharing it with anyone in lieu of being held in contempt of court. I believe that the written report by Roberts was drafted during Vann's tenure as Mangum's attorney and withheld from Mangum by her attorneys Vann, Scott Holmes, and Daniel Meier (up until three days prior to the verdict). Meier and the Court wanted people to believe that the report was drafted just prior to its being given to Mangum... this for the purpose of relieving Vann, Holmes, and Meier of withholding the document from Mangum.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The fact that the case did not turn out the way Mangum and Sid hoped it would, the fact that there was no evidence to support Mangum and Sid's claims and the fact that Sid disagrees with and/or does not understand the law does not mean Mangum received "lazy or inadequate representation."
Mangum is in prison because the state proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, to a jury of 12, that Mangum is culpable for Mr. Daye's death. The state's case was very straight forward and not a particularly difficult to present. It did not take the jury very long to sort thru the evidence and reach a unanimous conclusion.
Mangum chose to disregard the advice of competent attorneys at every step of her case, in lieu of listening to Sid. That is a big reason why she is in the mess she is in. She would have been in a mess whether she listened to her attorneys or not, but disregarding sound legal advice made the mess much bigger than it had to be.
There is no valid complaint to be made against any of Mangum's attorneys. They did the best they could with the facts and the law of the case, a client who refused to listen to them, and a meddling non-party who was actively undermining their efforts and acting against the legal interests of their client. Now that Mangum has abandoned her attorney's 404(b) argument, there is no basis for an appeal. No competent attorney will touch this case as long as Sid is hovering around and has Mangum's ear. All that is left is for Mangum to do her time.
If someone set out to do everything they could to undermine Mangum's defense and make sure she received the worst legal outcome and harshest sentence possible, they would have a hard time doing a better job of it than Sid has done.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Hah, Abe.
You fail to accept the reality that Mangum listened to her attorneys and that is why she was convicted. Had she listened to me, she would've studied her case and represented herself. She's intelligent enough to have easily won a mistrial if not an outright acquittal. First of all, she wouldn't have allowed a jury to be seated that consisted of three people with close ties to Duke University and/or its hospital.
Mangum will be cleared... sooner rather than later. Prepare yourself, Abe. Unless you have a different preference, I will get a crying towel for you in the color of Duke blue.
Nifong Supporter said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
The N and O article states that the student told police that the cab driver "touched her". It doesn't say anywhere that I read that the student said she was sexually assaulted. The Duke campus police turned the incident into a media event (possibly to satisfy alumni and/or parental concerns after a summer reading list selection of a book with sexual overtones that went against the religious and moral beliefs of some). The taxi driver is also from Iraq which may play into the arrest if the theory that the summer reading book selection offended some of the powerful Christian duke patrons that were mentioned when some at duke tried to broadcast the Islam call to pray from towers on the Duke Chapel.
From the abc11 news reports, it appears that that the duke campus police were the ones who arrested and charged the driver, not the Durham police.
I mention this because it is an example of the injustice duke doles out to those whom just happen to fit into some category of political agenda that duke can utilize to further their donor / alumni base agenda pandering without respect for law, justice, or the well being of any.
The paucity of coverage after the initial barrage makes me believe that the media realizes that much ado was made out of an innocent act by the cab driver to see that the Duke coed did not leave her cell phone in the cab. ABC-11 was the only media outlet that I am aware of that even presented the cab driver's version of events. Of the media market in Raleigh/Durham area, ABC-11 is clearly the best (which is not saying much). WRAL and McClatchy newspapers are extremely biased in their coverage.
For your edification, some of the accounts that I found online suggest that the cab driver may have had contact with the coed's breast.
August 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM
Dr. Harr,
It is a media event, and sex sales, and duke is trying to lead the way as usual. Does this student Really want to see this Iraqi father of four sit in jail under $500,000.00 bond for trying to give her back her cell-phone? I doubt seriously an Iraqi man with a wife and four small kids has any sexual intention in his responsible act of trying to get the students attention and give her a phone she was Leaving behind. She probably turned his way because he did say something and then handed her the phone. This is an example of a seriously frivolously and malicious arrest and charge by the Duke Campus Police, done solely for nefarious political reasons to pander, which is what Duke does because it is who they are.
This is why the system needs to be fixed for ALL, not just for Ms. Mangum.
However, Ms. Mangum has the ability with this trial to continue to INSIST on fair, equal legal rights and protection, and non-corrupt or conflicted LEGAL REPRESENTATION to try her case fairly and with equal protection for herself and ALL who are negatively harmed and affected by this outrageous case.
You are not a lawyer, AND NEITHER IS SHE. Yet, ALL have the RIGHT TO NON-CONFLICTED, NON-BIASED, AND ADEQUATE / EFFECTIVE LEGAL COUNCIL. THAT is not you. Not for this case, or any other case. You do understand that, right?
The system needs to be fixed for ALL. You cannot be anyone's lawyer but yourself.
Ms. Mangum must demand her rights just like everyone else, and only she can represent herself and demand that her rights to adequate legal council is respected and honored. Even by you, and certainly SHE IS NOT A LAWYER AND SHE HAS RIGHTS JUST LIKE ALL OTHERS to adequate legal representation. This is important for you to understand obviously.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Hah, Abe.
You fail to accept the reality that Mangum listened to her attorneys and that is why she was convicted."
Deluded megalomaniac mr. harr refuses to realize crystal was convicted because she listened to non-lawyer mr. harr telling her the state had no case and would never take her to court.
78% of women in Saudi Arabia ages 18 to 48 claimed to have experienced sexual harassment directly.
Do you think this driver's actions and attitude toward women have changed just because he's moved to North Carolina?
Sidney,
Your recent letters are quite reasonable. I would be surprised, however, if anything comes from them. Too many people are acquainted with the case and believe they know the reality.
Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril..
Ann Petersen withdrew the petition she filed on Crystal's behalf. At this point, the only PDR is Sidney's. The state had responded to Petersen's PDR and ignored Sidney's.
See the following link..
http://www.ncappellatecourts.org/search-results.php?atty_first=&atty_last=&sDocketSearch=286p15&short_title=&party=&start_date=mm%2Fdd%2Fyyyy&end_date=mm%2Fdd%2Fyyyy&type=&court_name=&bSearchTypeAnd=1&exact=0
Black men raping white women number in the thousands every year.The cases of white men raping black women are practically non-existent.
Obama's sons and daughters are out of control.The answer is deportation.
Dr. Harr,
In your latest letter to the News and Observer, you have revealed yet another law suit brewing from this case in favor of Ms. Mangum and the citizens and visitors to this state. ALL have the right to not have another outrageous lie(s) told in documentary format on public tv about medical and professional and legal malpractice that affects the health, safety, and well-being of ALL in NC. Ms. Mangum and her family especially have the right to not be further slandered and made the unwilling victim to this furthered corrupt in-justice by the Duke / Durham / NC in-justice system for all.
Even you, of course, would be included in this complaint by ALL in NC. If that is not a hostile medical, legal, and educational environment, what is? I mean, does Duke actually think that in this day and age the public is going to stand for such outrageous fear-mongering and corruption and destruction of the justice system to achieve further in-justice versus non-terrorized existence in their own backyards? Outrageous to say the least.
This is a documentary that legally should NOT be aired for that reason if nothing else. Especially because the NC legal system can reasonably be accused of even further conflict of interest and corruption by the 'powers that be' behind this current documentary production involving Ms. Mangum, especially while this current case is still being fought, in addition to having this added motivation to keep silent on the Duke malpractice issues in this case because of this planned cable media coverage focused on Duke and the in-justice system to be aired in February 2016.
Anyway, looks like you just grabbed another tiger by its tail (so to speak). One that should not be let go of for the sake of ALL.
Amazing.
Anonymous at 7:46 wrote: "Ann Petersen withdrew the petition she filed on Crystal's behalf. At this point, the only PDR is Sidney's. The state had responded to Petersen's PDR and ignored Sidney's."
Yet another example of Crystal's bad decision making. Sometimes, she is her own worst enemy.
Walt-in-Durham
Kenhyderal wrote: " Meier provided lazy and inadequate representation at trial." No, he did not.
"Peterson provided the same in the appeal."
Wrong again. Peterson did a good job on appeal, but for one scrivner's error. An error that is meaningless by the way.
"Who is there to seek relief for the failure to give Crystal a proper defense."
That has been explained to you before.
"Who is there to help overturn conviction for a crime she did not commit ie Second Degree Murder."
She did commit second degree murder.
"Failure to meet legal niceties should not trump the search for justice."
The legal niceties as you call them, are the way we search for justice. What you seek is injustice be changing the way we search for it. Shame on you.
"You seem to concede that Crystal received a less then vigorous defence by her Court appointed Attorneys; something she is constitutionally entitled to."
You are deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote. But, thank you. This allows me to repeat the obvious. Sid and Crystal, by not citing the record, by not citing authority are the only ones who are rendering ineffective assistance. That's all on Crystal now. She's dooming herself. Which is what she has done before. She's a killer, a liar and a car thief.
I don't think that Ms. Mangum's history of decision making, when she has no professional accreditation or to speak from expected sound decision making, is the main decision making authority in a case where all lives are put in jeopardy in potential fact and evidence by the medical, legal, and professional malpractice that is and has been corruptly covered-up in this case.
It is the courts responsibility to insure that ALL are equally protected and afforded fair and equal legal representation and protection from this sort of professional neglect and abuse to any and for all.
It is a corrupted case by political, professional, and monetary reasons, yet ALL have a right to not have to deal with this terrorized medical, legal, and professional environment. Terrorized in the sense that all must now be wary of this outrageous fear-mongering tactic of deadly malpractice and corrupted and conflicted legal protections and rights and representation for all. That is a bit much to ask of any society, don't ya think?
mr. harr's letter to Joseph Neff is the moest recent glaring manifestation of mr.harr's delusionalmegalomania.
" Anonymous said...
I don't think that Ms. Mangum's history of decision making, when she has no professional accreditation or to speak from expected sound decision making, is the main decision making authority in a case where all lives are put in jeopardy in potential fact and evidence by the medical, legal, and professional malpractice that is and has been corruptly covered-up in this case."
Some how you, whoever you are, can not seem to realize that neither kenny nor mr. harr is in a position to give crystal advice, especially on matters medical or legal. kenny has no hands on experience on matters medical. He reads, or thinks he reads, papers on the internet. I think, if he had appendicitis, he would go to someone who had only read papers about it for surgery. So far as mr. harr, he graduated from medical school in 1974, completed an internship, never did a residency(considering the time line that was probably because no one would accept him into a residency), never achieved board certification in any specialty, and retired 17 yeas after he graduated. According to the Independent Weekly artcle, which mr. harr has never impeached, he spent the latter years of his medical career filing frivolous lawsuits, something he has continued since establishing himself as the nifong supporter, which is like saying you are an athletic supporter for a eunuch.
Anonymous 7:08:
Your comment is utterly incomprehensible.
First, I do not understand what "law suit brewing" the letter reveals.
Second, I fail to understand what value Dr. Harr adds to a discussion of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Frame. Dr. Harr takes great pride in his refusal to review the substantial evidence made available through a number of sources, claiming he not consider the evidence because the entire discovery has not been made available.
Third, I do not understand why Mangum's murder conviction is relevant to any discussion of the earlier Frame other than to provide additional evidence of her lack of reliability.
August 27, 2015 at 9:00 AM
Your third comment lends understanding to this issue. The blame for any lack of reliability and issues of Framing done by Duke and the in-justice system is not on Ms. Mangum, IT is on Duke, the NC Medical Examiner's system, the Duke / Durham / NC in-justice system, and ultimately the US courts if they do not do something about the corruption and coverups of the Duke malpractice as it applied to every step of this case so far, and as it continues, that negatively and legally affects any or all.
It is a legal system with legal consequences and equal rights and protections for ALL, not just Duke, and the state, and whomever wants to benefit from the lies and corruption that furthers the harm to any or the society at large. That is what the justice system is set up for.
Anonymous 9:39:
I still have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say.
The primary blame for the Frame is attributable to Nifong and the Durham Police. Duke's blame appears to be their gutless refusal to stand up for the due process rights of their students. However, Mangum is clearly not blameless--she made a false accusation and has never owned up to her responsibility. Having said that, Nifong and the DPD knew her accusation was false and went forward with a prosecution anyway.
@ Walt: Meir did not have the time, or the inclination, to thoroughly investigate the case. He spoke to nobody at Duke who treated Daye. He did not delve into and expose Daye's chronic alcoholism. He did not look into a prior stabbing that Daye had undergone. Peterson relied only on admission of the 404(b) evidence, already judged admissible by Ridgeway. It was an issue that Crystal was not concerned about because she is still on good terms with Walker and he admits he bore equal responsibility for the incident. Peterson went with it, without input from Crystal. You yourself admitted that the PDR was superior to her appeal filling. It, rather then the appeal, outlined a much stronger case for self-defence. I got the impression that, belatedly, she was familiarizing herself with the case. Perhaps even reading some of Dr. Harr's postings. You forgive Peterson for her dating error. Crystal as a pro-se petitioner should not have her application un-considered because certain protocols, she is not aware of, are not followed. Inadequate counsel would have been a far better appeal strategy.
Obama's sons and daughters are out of control.The answer is deportation.
Take your racist bull$hit elsewhere.
This is a documentary that legally should NOT be aired for that reason if nothing else.
Did you ever hear of the First Amendment?
Peterson relied only on admission of the 404(b) evidence, already judged admissible by Ridgeway.
An appeal, BY DEFINITION, can ONLY consider issues that were ruled upon by the trial court.
Crystal as a pro-se petitioner should not have her application un-considered because certain protocols, she is not aware of, are not followed.
Courts-- including the United States Supreme Court-- have repeatedly held that even pro se litigants must follow the rules of court.
Inadequate counsel would have been a far better appeal strategy.
As has been explained to you many times, inadequate counsel must be raised in an MAR, not in an appeal.
" kenhyderal said...
@ Walt: Meir did not have the time, or the inclination, to thoroughly investigate the case. He spoke to nobody at Duke who treated Daye. He did not delve into and expose Daye's chronic alcoholism. He did not look into a prior stabbing that Daye had undergone. Peterson relied only on admission of the 404(b) evidence, already judged admissible by Ridgeway. It was an issue that Crystal was not concerned about because she is still on good terms with Walker and he admits he bore equal responsibility for the incident. Peterson went with it, without input from Crystal. You yourself admitted that the PDR was superior to her appeal filling. It, rather then the appeal, outlined a much stronger case for self-defence. I got the impression that, belatedly, she was familiarizing herself with the case. Perhaps even reading some of Dr. Harr's postings. You forgive Peterson for her dating error. Crystal as a pro-se petitioner should not have her application un-considered because certain protocols, she is not aware of, are not followed. Inadequate counsel would have been a far better appeal strategy.
August 27, 2015 at 10:25 AM"
Yet another manifestation of ken's incredible ignorance and stupidity.
Kenny,
You have no idea what Meier did, or did not, investigate, you are too cowardly to talk to him and seek answers. You aren't in this to help Crystal, you and Sid are in it to abuse her. If you wanted to help, you could, but you don't.
Both pathetic abusers.
Dr. Harr,
It is a media event, and sex sales, and duke is trying to lead the way as usual. Does this student Really want to see this Iraqi father of four sit in jail under $500,000.00 bond for trying to give her back her cell-phone? I doubt seriously an Iraqi man with a wife and four small kids has any sexual intention in his responsible act of trying to get the students attention and give her a phone she was Leaving behind. She probably turned his way because he did say something and then handed her the phone. This is an example of a seriously frivolously and malicious arrest and charge by the Duke Campus Police, done solely for nefarious political reasons to pander, which is what Duke does because it is who they are.
This is why the system needs to be fixed for ALL, not just for Ms. Mangum.
However, Ms. Mangum has the ability with this trial to continue to INSIST on fair, equal legal rights and protection, and non-corrupt or conflicted LEGAL REPRESENTATION to try her case fairly and with equal protection for herself and ALL who are negatively harmed and affected by this outrageous case.
You are not a lawyer, AND NEITHER IS SHE. Yet, ALL have the RIGHT TO NON-CONFLICTED, NON-BIASED, AND ADEQUATE / EFFECTIVE LEGAL COUNCIL. THAT is not you. Not for this case, or any other case. You do understand that, right?
The system needs to be fixed for ALL. You cannot be anyone's lawyer but yourself.
Ms. Mangum must demand her rights just like everyone else, and only she can represent herself and demand that her rights to adequate legal council is respected and honored. Even by you, and certainly SHE IS NOT A LAWYER AND SHE HAS RIGHTS JUST LIKE ALL OTHERS to adequate legal representation. This is important for you to understand obviously.
I do not disagree with much of what you said, however, the reality is far different than an ideal world in which Mangum could realistically expect her defense attorney to put her interests before the all-powerful mighty Duke University/Hospital.
It is just my opinion, that had she represented herself, even being a novice, and presented the truth to the jurors about Daye's hospitalization, then she had a good chance for a mistrial or an outright acquittal.
If she could successfully accomplish the above without my assistance, then I would have no problem with that.
Anonymous said...
Nifong Supporter said...
"Hah, Abe.
You fail to accept the reality that Mangum listened to her attorneys and that is why she was convicted."
Deluded megalomaniac mr. harr refuses to realize crystal was convicted because she listened to non-lawyer mr. harr telling her the state had no case and would never take her to court.
I stand by my assertion that the prosecution had no case against Mangum, and the only reason they decided to take the case to court was because they found a turncoat attorney in Daniel Meier to represent her. There plan all along, I believe, was to look for a Judas Attorney, and if unable to find one, try to force her to take a plea deal after she spent several years pretrial in jail.
Anonymous said...
Ann Petersen withdrew the petition she filed on Crystal's behalf. At this point, the only PDR is Sidney's. The state had responded to Petersen's PDR and ignored Sidney's.
See the following link..
http://www.ncappellatecourts.org/search-results.php?atty_first=&atty_last=&sDocketSearch=286p15&short_title=&party=&start_date=mm%2Fdd%2Fyyyy&end_date=mm%2Fdd%2Fyyyy&type=&court_name=&bSearchTypeAnd=1&exact=0
Exactly!! The State did not want to respond to Mangum's Pro Se petition. It was much easier for them to address the petition by Petersen because it was essentially the same as the one presented before the NC Court of Appeals and would invariably have had the same outcome. The State doesn't want to respond to the truth. That's why the Attorney General's Office more likely than not contacted Ms. Petersen and requested that she quickly throw together a PDR and file it immediately. Mangum certainly didn't request Ms. Petersen to file a PDR on her behalf.
Sidney,
I'm afraid your conspiracy theories are getting the better of you.
Well, let's see whether any of your letters has the desired effect. (I doubt it.)
Exactly!! The State did not want to respond to Mangum's Pro Se petition. It was much easier for them to address the petition by Petersen because it was essentially the same as the one presented before the NC Court of Appeals and would invariably have had the same outcome. The State doesn't want to respond to the truth.
What color crying towel would you like when the pro se petition is denied?
Walt said: "This allows me to repeat the obvious. Sid and Crystal, by not citing the record, by not citing authority are the only ones who are rendering ineffective assistance. That's all on Crystal now. She's dooming herself. Which is what she has done before. She's a killer, a liar and a car thief".................Since Crystal is innocent of second degree murder, her conviction and rejected appeal are prima facia evidence that the counsel she was provided was inadequate. Crystal defending herself can not be expected to cite case law to support her petition but her submission clearly outlines all the valid reasons why her conviction was a mistake Inadequate Counsel failed to put these reasons before the jury.
Kenny,
Please stop master debating.
kenhyderal said...
"Since Crystal is innocent of second degree murder, her conviction and rejected appeal are prima facia evidence that the counsel she was provided was inadequate."
Who decided crystal was not guilty? mr. harr and his stooge kenhyderal, neither of whom know anything about the law. Both of tem are too incredibly and delusionally stupid that they should be pitied.
Kenhyderal wrote: "Since Crystal is innocent of second degree murder, her conviction and rejected appeal are prima facia evidence that the counsel she was provided was inadequate."
That is an example of the propaganda technique called a fallacy. Your premise that Crystal is innocent is simply wrong.
"Crystal defending herself can not be expected to cite case law to support her petition" Yes she can. Pro se litigants do it all the time. Further, she declined the competent and by your own admission good brief of Ann Peterson.
"but her submission clearly outlines all the valid reasons why her conviction was a mistake Inadequate Counsel failed to put these reasons before the jury."
No it does not. The medical theory you propose is not supported by any evidence in or out of the record. The evidence Crystal does have, from her own expert independent medical examiner Dr. Roberts is that Crystal caused Daye's death by stabbing him. Only the incompetent or the abusive would advance such an argument.
The method of raising IAC and even newly discovered evidence has been explained to you many times. The fact that you want to try and raise it elsewhere is proof that you are seeking injustice.
Walt-in-Durham
Sid wrote: "It is just my opinion, that had she represented herself, even being a novice, and presented the truth to the jurors about Daye's hospitalization, then she had a good chance for a mistrial or an outright acquittal."
Crystal has dug her own hole and keeps digging it deeper. But, the fact that you continue to encourage her speaks volumes about your abusive nature.
Walt-in-Durham
From Walt in Durham:
"Sid wrote: 'It is just my opinion, that had she represented herself, even being a novice, and presented the truth to the jurors about Daye's hospitalization, then she had a good chance for a mistrial or an outright acquittal.'"
Crystal's history shows she has never told the truth about anything. mr. harr's premise is therefore fallacious.
Dr. Harr,
Since ALL must exist in the imperfect world that Ms. Mangum finds herself imprisoned within, Then ALL must face the same suffering if Duke is a part of any case. Of course, Ms. Mangum has the extra burden of political and corporate influence in the outcome of this trial because of the continued exploitation of the duke lacrosse case. Therefore, she has even more right to equal protection and representation, not less.
This requires EXTRA legal assistance that is NOT conflicted nor corrupted by Duke, et. al. YOU cannot be the attorney for any but yourself, YET YOU can encourage Ms. Mangum to FIGHT FOR HER RIGHTS to adequate and effective legal council and representation. THAT is the legal system, and it is her right, even in an imperfect world that ALL exist within, since it is what it is, and she is equal within it like everyone else.
So, does Ms. Mangum have more complaint forms that she can complete herself and send to the State Bar in regards to Ms. Petersen?
Where does she send the complaint about STILL requiring adequate and effective legal defense representation?
Does the State Bar have any input in the inability of the state to provide adequate and effective legal defense representation to date?
What is the next step in the PDR process?
Always nice to know these things when trying to survive in an imperfect world.
So, does Ms. Mangum have more complaint forms that she can complete herself and send to the State Bar in regards to Ms. Petersen? Where does she send the complaint about STILL requiring adequate and effective legal defense representation? Does the State Bar have any input in the inability of the state to provide adequate and effective legal defense representation to date?
What is the next step in the PDR process? Always nice to know these things when trying to survive in an imperfect world.
Why are you asking Dr. Harr these questions? He is not a lawyer, and, by his own admission, doesn't or cannot go to a law library. Hence his elementary errors like filing the wrong petition in the wrong court at the wrong time.
Walt and I have tried to provide some guidance here, but we are routinely ignored.
Since ALL must exist in the imperfect world that Ms. Mangum finds herself imprisoned within, Then ALL must face the same suffering if Duke is a part of any case. Of course, Ms. Mangum has the extra burden of political and corporate influence in the outcome of this trial because of the continued exploitation of the duke lacrosse case. Therefore, she has even more right to equal protection and representation, not less.
This requires EXTRA legal assistance that is NOT conflicted nor corrupted by Duke, et. al. YOU cannot be the attorney for any but yourself, YET YOU can encourage Ms. Mangum to FIGHT FOR HER RIGHTS to adequate and effective legal council and representation. THAT is the legal system, and it is her right, even in an imperfect world that ALL exist within, since it is what it is, and she is equal within it like everyone else.
None of Mangum's attorneys were conflicted.
Kia Haynes did not commit perjury.
Felony Murder was never at issue.
There weren't hidden experts.
Daye's prior dismissed criminal charges were never admissible.
Daye may, or may not, have abused Crystal prior (Sid changes his mind on that).
Dr. Roberts's report is not exculpatory.
Sid is always wrong, and is an abuser of Crystal and women. Why do you still support him?
Anonymous said: "You have no idea what Meier did, or did not, investigate"........... Oh yes I have. Now I want Meier to come clean and admit what he failed to do. That might change the mind of many of you about the poor quality of defence he provided.
Blogger kenhyderal said...
"Anonymous said: "You have no idea what Meier did, or did not, investigate"........... Oh yes I have."
Oh no you haven't.
Walt said: "The medical theory you propose is not supported by any evidence in or out of the record"................................................ Oh yes it is. Unfortunately this evidence was never brought before the Jurors. Only Meier could have subpoenaed those who treated Daye and those whose medical malpractice killed him. Their evidence would have counteracted the opinion of the besieged, harried, over-worked and incompetent ME's conclusion that the stab wound caused Daye's death and Dr. Roberts whose own report belied this but who still chose to back up her colleague's autopsy at the expense of a much maligned and marginalized person
Kenny,
The medical malpractice horse is dead. You can stop beating it. There is no evidence to support it and even if it is true it isn't a defense to the murder charge. You need to find something else to masturdebate over.
Anonymous said: "Oh no you haven't"..................... You seem to have knowledge about what Meier supposedly did. Can you make the assertion that he or his investigators spoke to the treating Physicians and they concurred that complications of the stab wound caused Daye's death?
Anonymous said: "The medical malpractice horse is dead. You can stop beating it. There is no evidence to support it and even if it is true it isn't a defense to the murder charge. You need to find something else to masturdebate over"...................Who is dead is Reginald Daye, SOLEY killed by medical malpractice at Duke.
Kenny,
So Mr. Daye would have died anyway, even if Mangum didn't stab him? And you expect people to take you seriously?
kenhyderal said...
"Walt said: "The medical theory you propose is not supported by any evidence in or out of the record"................................................ Oh yes it is."
No it sn't.
kenhyderal said...
"Anonymous said: "Oh no you haven't'..................... You seem to have knowledge about what Meier supposedly did. Can you make the assertion that he or his investigators spoke to the treating Physicians and they concurred that complications of the stab wound caused Daye's death?"
The only thing I am asserting is that you have no idea of what Meier did or did not investigate. That is obvious.
kenhyderal said...
"Who is dead is Reginald Daye"
Reginald Daye is dead and it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that crystal killed him. Your wish that your favorite murderess/false accuser get a pass for her crimes does not negate that.
and...
"SOLEY killed by medical malpractice at Duke."
Your wish that your favorite murderess/fase accuser get a pass for her crimes does not mean Mr. Daye's death was due to malpractice on the part of Duke.
I say again, you are incredibly and viciously stupid.
I want to introduce myself. I am the Master Master Debater.
Like any master debater, such as Kennyhyderal, I am entitled to make unsupported baseless allegations and require that all readers accept all allegations as true unless they can prove with certainty that any allegation could not possibly be true. However, as the Master Master Debater, when my unsupported baseless allegations conflict with the unsupported baseless allegations of a normal master debater like Kenny, my unsupported baseless allegations must be accepted as fact and Kenny's must be rejected.
As the Master Master Debater, I make the following allegations:
Kenny is full of it.
Kenny must be ignored.
As the Master Master Debater, this must be accepted as true, including by Kenny.
Kenny - if you want to know what Meier did, get acre,ease and ask him. You assume he still reads this joke of a blog - but even if he does it's clear he isn't responding - get a release and ask him or expose yourself for the coward you are.
You and Sid are pathetic abusers.
Don't have to. I know what Meier did and did not do. Most here make the assumption that he did the necessary investigations needed to be able to give all relevant facts to the Jury. My call for him to come clean on this here is simply to point out to you all what a pathetically weak defence he provided.
So, Kenhyderal,
Should I threaten him if he doesn't come clean?
You know nothing Kenny. If you were sure you would ask - you are a pathetic abuser.
And a threat here means nothing - you have noncore if he even sees this.
You and Sid are abusing Crystal - and you aren't going to stop. You are pathetic. If you want to prove you aren't an abuser and want to help, do something other than rant on a blog.
Pathetic, liar, whiner, abuser.
Kenny is a pathetically weak person - he has to abuse a woman with a history of mental illness, and he has to team up with Sid to do it.
Kenny master debates: I know what Meier did and did not do.
Stop master debating and prove it.
Blogger kenhyderal said...
"Don't have to. I know what Meier did and did not do"
All you know is that he did not get your favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes so you accuse him of [rviding an inadequate defense.
Kenny,
I don't know what else I can do:
I told Meier you're a master debater.
I told him you're a fighter.
I told him you're Crystal's best friend.
I even told him Kilgo had given you some important information.
Even so he refuses to explain his ineffective defense to you.
You'd better do something so he realizes your threats are not vain.
mr. harr:
Do you actually think any of those four people whom you wrote are going to respond to you, especially Marina Zenovich are going to pay any attention to you?
Anonymous said: "You know nothing Kenny. If you were sure you would ask" "And a threat here means nothing"...................................... Huh? Because I'm "sure" I don't need to ask. "A threat", I've made no threats against Attorney Meier.
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Kenhyderal said
"I've made no threats against Attorney Meier."
No, but you're constantly telling us how you would demolish him if he had the temerity to answer you.
Anonymous said...
mr. harr:
Do you actually think any of those four people whom you wrote are going to respond to you, especially Marina Zenovich are going to pay any attention to you?
Going by past history, the logical answer is no. People don't want to hear the truth about Crystal Mangum and her persecution because they know in their hearts that she is the true victim of a vendetta-driven legal system. I don't think Ms. Zenovich, therefore, will respond because I don't believe the ESPN documentary that is scheduled has any goal other than to re-bash Nifong and Mangum, while lionizing the three Duke Lacrosse defendants and comparing them to the Scottsboro boys.
guiowen said...
Kenhyderal said
"I've made no threats against Attorney Meier."
No, but you're constantly telling us how you would demolish him if he had the temerity to answer you.
gui, mon ami,
Surely kenhyderal was using the term "demolish" as a manner of speech that was not to be construed in a concrete fashion.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Going by past history, the logical answer is no. People don't want to hear the truth about Crystal Mangum and her persecution because they know in their hearts that she is the true victim of a vendetta-driven legal system."
How wrong you deliberately choose to be. There has been no persecution of crystal by your so called "vendetta-diven legal system" because that us a figment of your delusional megalomania. crystal is a murderess and a false accuser and you want to get her a pass for her crimes.
Nifong Supporter said...
"guiowen said...
Kenhyderal said
'I've made no threats against Attorney Meier
No, but you're constantly telling us how you would demolish him if he had the temerity to answer you.'
gui, mon ami,
Surely kenhyderal was using the term "demolish" as a manner of speech that was not to be construed in a concrete fashion."
kenhyderal is trying to get his and your favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
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Sid said:
"I don't believe the ESPN documentary that is scheduled has any goal other than to re-bash Nifong and Mangum . . .."
There is no way to honestly tell the story of the Duke lacrosse rape prosecution that reflects favorable on Mangum or Nifong. Their conduct was reprehensible.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
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Nifong Supporter said...
"I don't think Ms. Zenovich, therefore, will respond because I don't believe the ESPN documentary that is scheduled has any goal other than to re-bash Nifong and Mangum, while lionizing the three Duke Lacrosse defendants and comparing them to the Scottsboro boys."
Translated, mr. harr is afraid of the truth and wants to suppress it. Yet he describes himself as a follower of the Man from Nazareth, the same Man from Nazareth who once proclaimed that he was the way, the TRUTH and the life.
Boy is mr. harr deliberately deluded.
Sidney,
Can you keep us informed about your contempt hearing? Is it scheduled yet or is the Bar still finishing their paperwork?
Thanks.
Dr. Harr,
Since ALL must exist in the imperfect world that Ms. Mangum finds herself imprisoned within, Then ALL must face the same suffering if Duke is a part of any case. Of course, Ms. Mangum has the extra burden of political and corporate influence in the outcome of this trial because of the continued exploitation of the duke lacrosse case. Therefore, she has even more right to equal protection and representation, not less.
This requires EXTRA legal assistance that is NOT conflicted nor corrupted by Duke, et. al. YOU cannot be the attorney for any but yourself, YET YOU can encourage Ms. Mangum to FIGHT FOR HER RIGHTS to adequate and effective legal council and representation. THAT is the legal system, and it is her right, even in an imperfect world that ALL exist within, since it is what it is, and she is equal within it like everyone else.
So, does Ms. Mangum have more complaint forms that she can complete herself and send to the State Bar in regards to Ms. Petersen?
Where does she send the complaint about STILL requiring adequate and effective legal defense representation?
Does the State Bar have any input in the inability of the state to provide adequate and effective legal defense representation to date?
What is the next step in the PDR process?
Always nice to know these things when trying to survive in an imperfect world.
Abe Froman wrote: "There is no way to honestly tell the story of the Duke lacrosse rape prosecution that reflects favorable on Mangum or Nifong. Their conduct was reprehensible."
That bears repeating time and time again. Mangum and Nifong's conduct was reprehensible.
Walt-in-Durham
Dr. Harr,
What are your thoughts on the excessive amount of violence and crime in Durham?
It seems that the corruption that you have documented on this blog contained within this current Mangum / Duke / Duke/Durham/NC injustice system case is simply a 'higher level' of the same excessive amount of violence and crime in Durham. Or to look at it from the bottom up - the violence and crime is simply a reflection of the corruption within Duke and the Duke/Durham/NC injustice system - magnified as it is the seat of power from which the evil stems and corrupts completely.
Duke's corruption is one that is insidious and pervasive within the NC government, especially in and stemming from Duke, as well as Chapel-Hill as they are saturated with Duke folks at the upper and political levels of UNC and the state and civil government that manifests from there.
It is an odd yet very real environment seeped in manipulation and deceit, specializing in brain washing the many.
Do you agree with this assessment?
Anonymous said...
Sidney,
Can you keep us informed about your contempt hearing? Is it scheduled yet or is the Bar still finishing their paperwork?
Thanks.
Contempt hearing? What contempt hearing?
What, me worry?
I guess mr. harr has never heard of all the contempt in which he is held over his advocacy for a false accuser, his advocacy of a thoroughly corrupt prosecutor, his advocacy for believing innocent men falsely accused of a non existent crime are guilty, his advocacy for giving murderers passes or their crimes.
September 1, 2015 at 3:30 AM
You make clear your contempt on this blog on a daily basis. However, you exaggerate your charges for your own purposes. Whatever happened, it only applies now in the context of what each has personally done as evidenced by fact since the lacrosse case as it pertains to the current discussion.
Personally, Ms. Mangum did not stab Mr. Daye to death.
Personally, the jury in her trial did not conclude with an adequate verdict because they were not given adequate information on which to base an opinion, and personally Duke medical people killed Mr. Daye with an errant intubation tube causing brain death and ultimate removal from life support after an additional week that legally could be judged negligent malpractice and the sole and proximate cause of death.
Personally, Mr. Nichols lied about medical issues in order to perpetuate and condone the cover-up of the Duke malpractice and falsely charge and convict Ms. Mangum of a murder by malpractice.
Equally, personally, the State Appeal Judges issued a ruling fraught with errors introduced to them by the ineffective defense Appeal Attorney, whom Ms. Mangum is trying to fire. etc., etc., etc.
Those things are real now. Ms. Mangum is Not responsible for the actions of others in those instances and many more.
Those who are responsible must be held accountable if justice is to prevail. Therefore, Ms. Mangum must continue to fight for justice. Mr. Harr is honorable in regard to his assistance to Ms. Mangum in this endeavor as long as he advices her to continue to fight for justice and not to give in to the lies and corruption and deceit which attempts at every juncture to prevail for in-justice.
" I guess mr. harr has never heard of all the contempt in which he is held over his advocacy for a false accuser, his advocacy of a thoroughly corrupt prosecutor, his advocacy for believing innocent men falsely accused of a non existent crime are guilty, his advocacy for giving murderers passes or their crimes.
September 1, 2015 at 3:30 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
September 1, 2015 at 3:30 AM
You make clear your contempt on this blog on a daily basis. However, you exaggerate your charges for your own purposes. Whatever happened, it only applies now in the context of what each has personally done as evidenced by fact since the lacrosse case as it pertains to the current discussion.
Personally, Ms. Mangum did not stab Mr. Daye to death.
Personally, the jury in her trial did not conclude with an adequate verdict because they were not given adequate information on which to base an opinion, and personally Duke medical people killed Mr. Daye with an errant intubation tube causing brain death and ultimate removal from life support after an additional week that legally could be judged negligent malpractice and the sole and proximate cause of death.
Personally, Mr. Nichols lied about medical issues in order to perpetuate and condone the cover-up of the Duke malpractice and falsely charge and convict Ms. Mangum of a murder by malpractice.
Equally, personally, the State Appeal Judges issued a ruling fraught with errors introduced to them by the ineffective defense Appeal Attorney, whom Ms. Mangum is trying to fire. etc., etc., etc.
Those things are real now. Ms. Mangum is Not responsible for the actions of others in those instances and many more.
Those who are responsible must be held accountable if justice is to prevail. Therefore, Ms. Mangum must continue to fight for justice. Mr. Harr is honorable in regard to his assistance to Ms. Mangum in this endeavor as long as he advices her to continue to fight for justice and not to give in to the lies and corruption and deceit which attempts at every juncture to prevail for in-justice.
September 1, 2015 at 4:12 AM"
You remain incredibly and viciously stupid.
Anonymous said...
September 1, 2015 at 3:30 AM
You make clear your contempt on this blog on a daily basis. However, you exaggerate your charges for your own purposes. Whatever happened, it only applies now in the context of what each has personally done as evidenced by fact since the lacrosse case as it pertains to the current discussion.
Personally, Ms. Mangum did not stab Mr. Daye to death.
Personally, the jury in her trial did not conclude with an adequate verdict because they were not given adequate information on which to base an opinion, and personally Duke medical people killed Mr. Daye with an errant intubation tube causing brain death and ultimate removal from life support after an additional week that legally could be judged negligent malpractice and the sole and proximate cause of death.
Personally, Mr. Nichols lied about medical issues in order to perpetuate and condone the cover-up of the Duke malpractice and falsely charge and convict Ms. Mangum of a murder by malpractice.
Equally, personally, the State Appeal Judges issued a ruling fraught with errors introduced to them by the ineffective defense Appeal Attorney, whom Ms. Mangum is trying to fire. etc., etc., etc.
Those things are real now. Ms. Mangum is Not responsible for the actions of others in those instances and many more.
Those who are responsible must be held accountable if justice is to prevail. Therefore, Ms. Mangum must continue to fight for justice. Mr. Harr is honorable in regard to his assistance to Ms. Mangum in this endeavor as long as he advices her to continue to fight for justice and not to give in to the lies and corruption and deceit which attempts at every juncture to prevail for in-justice.
Anonymous, you have a complete and thorough understanding of the Mangum situation and you very adroitly and succinctly expressed it. It makes this blog site worthwhile to know that you and others have been enlightened about an event which the mainstream media has elected to suppress and mislead for its vengeful agenda.
Thank you for your supportive comments which are very much appreciated. Rest assured that I will not cease in my endeavors to help Ms. Mangum until she is freed and her conviction overturned.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Anonymous, you have a complete and thorough understanding of the Mangum situation and you very adroitly and succinctly expressed it. It makes this blog site worthwhile to know that you and others have been enlightened about an event which the mainstream media has elected to suppress and mislead for its vengeful agenda."
mr. harr, I say again, you have not heard the utter contempt in which people hold you for trying to get your favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
What else can be expected from someone who chooses to be such a deluded megalomaniac.
mr. harr, you yourself probably composed and posted the anonymous comment, trying to delude the public into believing you have support.
That would be entirely consistent with your delusional megalomania.
Why thank you Dr. Harr. I'll take that as a complement to achieving yet another step in a continued goal of mastering the run-on sentence.
September 1, 2015 at 10:06 AM
Sorry, you are wrong.
"Whatever happened, it only applies now in the context of what each has personally done as evidenced by fact since the lacrosse case as it pertains to the current discussion. "
$5 bucks to whoever can explain what this sentence actually means.
Fake Kenhyderal,
I think it means "Let's not talk about the lacrosse case [because Nifong and Mangum both behaved abominably then]."
Sid,
The letters you are posting at your blog confirm that you are a total nut job.
So, Sidney,
Any replies to your letters?
I thought Crystal Mangum was going to be released by September first, based on Sidney's prediction a while back. Wonder what the new date will be? Yes, we know about the wheels of justice, it moves slow. But, those crying towels are just going to waste.
Anonymous said...
I thought Crystal Mangum was going to be released by September first, based on Sidney's prediction a while back. Wonder what the new date will be? Yes, we know about the wheels of justice, it moves slow. But, those crying towels are just going to waste.
Actually the crying towels are not perishable items. They will be ready for distribution in the near future.
guiowen said...
So, Sidney,
Any replies to your letters?
gui, mon ami,
So far no replies. But rest assured that as soon as I receive one it will be posted.
Anonymous said...
mr. harr, you yourself probably composed and posted the anonymous comment, trying to delude the public into believing you have support.
That would be entirely consistent with your delusional megalomania.
WRONG-O!! For me to do as you suggest would defeat its purpose... and besides, I have too much integrity to do something like that.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Anonymous said...
mr. harr, you yourself probably composed and posted the anonymous comment, trying to delude the public into believing you have support.
That would be entirely consistent with your delusional megalomania.
WRONG-O!! For me to do as you suggest would defeat its purpose... and besides, I have too much integrity to do something like that."
You have no integrity.
Sidney,
Don't you think those last two letters of yours are rather imprudent?
Sid wrote: "Actually the crying towels are not perishable items. They will be ready for distribution in the near future."
Sid, you're no Karl Malone. He delivered, you don't. Those cryin' towels are all yours buddy, all yours. Make good use of them.
Walt-in-Durham
mr. harr, how does it demonstrate integrity when you persist in trying to get a murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes?
So far no replies. But rest assured that as soon as I receive one it will be posted.
That will be probably somewhere around the 31st of Never.
Mr. Harr -- Ever hear the term "emotional reasoning"? It's best defined as "I feel it, therefore it must be true." It's considered a cognitive distortion.
That's what you've been been expressing here at this blog since the beginning. You've consistently derived a conclusion ("Nifong is innocent",Shan Carter is innocent",now "Crystal Mangum is innocent") based off your emotions and attempted to adjust the narrative to meet these emotionally-reasoned conclusions.
Emotional reasoning, if not treated, can lead to debilitating effects like depression. You and your "hatemonger blogmonger" name-calling friend should seek help.
September 3, 2015 at 10:07 AM
You are emotionally reasoning that anyone needs help but yourself. Take your own advice.
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Ah...Blameshifting. One of the more common methods of managing cognitive distortion. A good example of this type of psychological projection is a rude person constantly accusing other people of being rude.
Sound familiar?
Dr. Harr,
When did Thomas Stith refer the case to General Counsel Robert Stephens for review? Who is Mr. Stith and what can General Counsel Stephens achieve in this case? What is he General Counsel of?
I am still the same anonymous person who asked you not to copy my posts into your letters, btw. Being able to intelligently discuss this case with the brilliance of simplicity and pure fact is refreshing though for you to see in the fog of the cover-up, corruption and in-justice that exists in this case.
September 3, 2015 at 11:18 AM
Stop cyberbullying this blog evil duke troll. What about that statement do you not understand?
"The narcissist....drags everyone around him into a swirl of bitterness, suspiciousness, meanness, aggression and pettiness. His life is a reflection of his psychological landscape: barren, paranoiac, tormented, guilt ridden. He feels compelled to do unto others what he inflicts upon himself. He gradually transforms his closest, nearest and dearest into replicas of his conflictive, punishing personality structure.
Some narcissists are more subtle than others. They disguise their sadism. For instance, they 'educate' their family members or friends (for their sake, as they present it). This 'education' is compulsive, obsessive, incessantly, harshly and unduly critical. Its effect is to erode the subject, to humiliate, to create dependence, to intimidate, to restrain, to control, to paralyse.
The victim of such 'edification' internalises the endless hectoring and humiliating criticism and makes them his own. She begins to see justice where there is only twisted logic based on crooked assumptions...."
-Dr. Sam Vaknin
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