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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1133 Newer› Newest»Bob Stephens is the Chief Legal Counsel for Governor McCrory. In this role, he advises the Governor’s Office on legal and ethical issues and coordinates judicial appointments.
Apparently, although Sid has sought an audience with these people on Crystal Mangum's behalf, neither Mangum nor Sid has attempted to apply for clemency through the NC Executive Clemency Office.....
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
September 3, 2015 at 11:18 AM
Stop cyberbullying this blog evil duke troll. What about that statement do you not understand?
September 3, 2015 at 11:32 AM"
Boy ae you stressed out over your incredible vicious stupidity.
"see[ing] justice where there is only twisted logic based on crooked assumptions."
Probably the most concise description of Sid and Tinfoil I've read here.
Anonymous said...
"Stop cyberbullying this blog evil duke troll. What about that statement do you not understand?"
September 3, 2015 at 11:32 AM
We understand your statement well enough. What we don't understand is why you expect us to do as you command.
mr. harr, you persist in misrepresenting crystal as the victim/accuser in the Duke Lacrosse case. It has been shown beyond any and alldoubt that crystal was the victimizer/false accuser.
Anonymous at 11:27 AM wrote: "Who is Mr. Stith and what can General Counsel Stephens achieve in this case? What is he General Counsel of?"
Thomas Stith is the Governor's Chief of Staff.
Robert Stephens is the Governor's General Counsel. In that capacity he reviews and advises the Governor on legal matters. He will advise the Governor on Sid's letter. His advice will be this matter is in the courts. It would violate the doctrine of separation of powers if we get involved before the courts have finished with this matter. The Governor's role, pursuant to the Constitution of North Carolina is limited to his power to grant clemency. No one has asked for clemency. He will advise that there are two different clemency powers available to the Governor of North Carolina. First is his constitutional clemency power. To grant a pardon or parole, the petitioner has to admit guilt and show the governor that she is rehabilitated, or that her sentence was too harsh for the crime she admits she committed.
General Counsel will also advise the governor that he has a statutory power to grant a pardon of actual innocence. He will review with the governor how that process works and will advise the governor that Crystal has not filed an application for a pardon of actual innocence. Absent that filing, he will advise that the process of review cannot begin and the governor has no statutory power until that application is filed, the review is complete and a finding is made.
"I am still the same anonymous person who asked you not to copy my posts into your letters,...."
That is a problem as you are anonymous and undifferentiated from the other anonymous posters. (Most of whom are Sid.)
Walt-in-Durham
Dr. Harr,
Walt has just accused you of posting anonymously. That is odd, since Walt himself posts on this blog anonymously, as do others. I think some people are probably more able to tell the same poster regardless of name or alias or anonymous, so I just assumed that you would have honed that ability by now on this blog.
Anyway, what exactly were you wanting the governor to do in this case? Tell the SBI to investigate? ???
Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
When did Thomas Stith refer the case to General Counsel Robert Stephens for review? Who is Mr. Stith and what can General Counsel Stephens achieve in this case? What is he General Counsel of?
I am still the same anonymous person who asked you not to copy my posts into your letters, btw. Being able to intelligently discuss this case with the brilliance of simplicity and pure fact is refreshing though for you to see in the fog of the cover-up, corruption and in-justice that exists in this case.
Mr. Stith is Governor McCrory's Chief of Staff. He referred my concerns, supposedly, to the Governor's General Counsel Stephens I believe some time in July 2015.
Unfortunately I cannot distinguish one anonymous from another, so I didn't intentionally go against your wishes in posting your comment... however, because it demonstrates that intelligent people are enlightened by the blog site, I couldn't resist not posting it.
Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
Walt has just accused you of posting anonymously. That is odd, since Walt himself posts on this blog anonymously, as do others. I think some people are probably more able to tell the same poster regardless of name or alias or anonymous, so I just assumed that you would have honed that ability by now on this blog.
Anyway, what exactly were you wanting the governor to do in this case? Tell the SBI to investigate? ???
I think the least the governor should do is call for an investigation by the FBI... especially when evidence is available that a Class F felony of perjury has been committed and helped convict an innocent single mother of three of murder. But I would have been satisfied with any response... even an open letter to express his concerns about the validity of the conviction against Mangum.
As far as Walt's and others' claims that I posted comments other than by using Nifong Supporter, that's ridiculous. As I stated before, I have too much integrity to do that, and by doing that, it would destroy my credibility. I don't have time for such nonsense.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Mr. Harr -- Ever hear the term "emotional reasoning"? It's best defined as "I feel it, therefore it must be true." It's considered a cognitive distortion.
That's what you've been been expressing here at this blog since the beginning. You've consistently derived a conclusion ("Nifong is innocent",Shan Carter is innocent",now "Crystal Mangum is innocent") based off your emotions and attempted to adjust the narrative to meet these emotionally-reasoned conclusions.
Emotional reasoning, if not treated, can lead to debilitating effects like depression. You and your "hatemonger blogmonger" name-calling friend should seek help.
Clearly, Mangum is innocent of murder because Daye's death was accidental... with the proximate cause being an esophageal intubation by Duke University Hospital in the treatment of delirium tremens. The direct cause of Daye's death was his removal from life-support. No where does Dr. Nichols, Dr. Roberts, or the prosecutors give a nexus between the stab wound and Daye's death. The above is factual, not emotional.
Why is that letter to Ridgeway, and the accompanying document, not on your site Sid? What are you trying to hide?
Dr. Harr,
Ask Ms. Mangum to call the FBI. It is her case, only she can do it. In fact she can write a letter to them, to the U.S. AG, etc. herself asking for an investigation and fair and equal protection, for herself and for others affected by case probably. Then find out about the clemency or innocence program that the governor has and provide Ms. Mangum with that info in addition to the info she will need to write or call the FBI and the U.S. AG.
It is her case, she can do it herself. Isn't there a legal center set up for inmates to write and posts legal documents in their own defense, with the help of a counselor or something? How can it be fair and equal protection if an inmate has no ability to communicate with the court in their own defense? ???
A Lawyer said...
So far no replies. But rest assured that as soon as I receive one it will be posted.
That will be probably somewhere around the 31st of Never.
Just received a nice three or four sentence reply from defense attorney Alex Charns. Basically he stated that he would not be able to represent Crystal and that he could not think of someone to refer me to.
However, yesterday I did receive a letter from the State Bar (which was not in response to any letter that I wrote), and it is posted. Why should I have a problem with posting replies?
Anonymous said: "That is odd, since Walt himself posts on this blog anonymously, as do others:................................................... No he does not. Walt is one of the few Posters here who have the courage of conviction to post publicly
Anonymous said...
Why is that letter to Ridgeway, and the accompanying document, not on your site Sid? What are you trying to hide?
I am not trying to hide anything. The fact is that there was no other document that accompanied the single-paged letter. It must have been inadvertently omitted.
Sid -- What are you going to do when the NC State Bar sees Mangum's PDR and reads your comments here? Violation of an injunction generally means jail time or a fine. Which would you prefer?
However, yesterday I did receive a letter from the State Bar (which was not in response to any letter that I wrote), and it is posted. Why should I have a problem with posting replies?
That letter confirms what others have told you on this blog-- that your actions are putting you very close to violating your injunction.
Nifong Supporter said...
"I think the least the governor should do is call for an investigation by the FBI... especially when evidence is available that a Class F felony of perjury has been committed and helped convict an innocent single mother of three of murder."
First mr. harr presumes a fact not in evidence, that he can think.
Second, mr. harr again shws hw pathologically deluded he is.
Sid:
You better hope that none of your fans on this shlog informed the bar of your actions in preparing and filing Mangum's soon to be denied PDR, or else you may soon find yourself enjoying a sausage in ways you never imagined.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Nifong Supporter said...
"As far as Walt's and others' claims that I posted comments other than by using Nifong Supporter, that's ridiculous. As I stated before, I have too much integrity to do that."
Presumes another fact not in evidence, that mr. harr has integrity.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Clearly, Mangum is innocent of murder because Daye's death was accidental... with the proximate cause being an esophageal intubation by Duke University Hospital in the treatment of delirium tremens. The direct cause of Daye's death was his removal from life-support. No where does Dr. Nichols, Dr. Roberts, or the prosecutors give a nexus between the stab wound and Daye's death. The above is factual, not emotional."
Again mr. harr shows how pathologically deluded and how incredibly and viciously stupid he is.
September 4, 2015 at 10:00 AM
Unless the negligent malpractice of the intubation error was actually murder, then it was malpractice which is described as an accidental cause of death. There are many charges that might result from further investigation of those details to determine whether accidental or intentional killing of Mr. Daye by Duke malpractice, but Murder by Malpractice by Ms. Mangum is probably not one of them.
Then post the letter to Ridgeway as well ... whether there was an attachment or not, you haven't posted it.
" Anonymous said...
September 4, 2015 at 10:00 AM
Unless the negligent malpractice of the intubation error was actually murder, then it was malpractice which is described as an accidental cause of death."
You are presuming a fact not in evidence, that the esophageal intubation was negligence. An event like that is not automatically negligence, no matter what total incompetents like kenny and mr. harr believe.
I guess the next letters are to Loretta Lynch (who is from Durham, so should care about the corruption in the system) and Obama?
Dr. Harr,
Why are you not posting at your blog the letters that kenhyderal has been writing in support of Crystal?
September 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM
He also has the courage to post anonymously and then turn around and project an accusation of doing the same unto Dr. Harr to demean him when commenting to others, don't you Walt?
you are an evil duke troll to say i help with any abuse against Ms. Mangum
where the frack do you get that from anyway
seriously
(you can look back at all my recent posts to Dr. Harr and see that I continue to caution him and Ken Edwards against causing her (or anyone) any harm - so - seriously - why do you keep trying to blame me for ANYTHING could never be understood except by what I also continually also state - that ya'll are cyberbullying evil duke trolls bent on harming any and all who are not you or do not support your agenda of hatred against Ms. Mangum, etc.)
g ... i've already told you to stop copy and pasting posts that aren't even yours and then sitting there and trolling what you just posted.
seriously
get over yourself
troll doesn't even describe what you do any more g ... since you are seriously evil
DO NOT TROLL ME IN ANY WAY AT ALL AGAIN
thanks
blah blah blah
i didn't say any of that evil duke troll it g... i am not talking on this blog right now much anyway except to Dr. Harr and to fight you off continuously as you troll on and on - and you know it since you are simply trolling yourself over and over again (as usual) even to fight yourself off (which is really weird btw - but hey that's you)
stop trying to pretend to be me - it is not working
you certainly are a prime example of the evil duke promotes - i am sure they are laughing along with you as you troll on
blah
hey g you little fracker stop trolling me
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
you are an evil duke troll to say i help with any abuse against Ms. Mangum
where the frack do you get that from anyway
seriously
(you can look back at all my recent posts to Dr. Harr and see that I continue to caution him and Ken Edwards against causing her (or anyone) any harm - so - seriously - why do you keep trying to blame me for ANYTHING could never be understood except by what I also continually also state - that ya'll are cyberbullying evil duke trolls bent on harming any and all who are not you or do not support your agenda of hatred against Ms. Mangum, etc.)
September 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM"
You are seriously stressed out over your incredible vicious stupidity.
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
hey g you little fracker stop trolling me
September 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM"
You are seriously stressed out from your incredible vicious stupidity.
not g.
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
g ... i've already told you to stop copy and pasting posts that aren't even yours and then sitting there and trolling what you just posted.
seriously
get over yourself
troll doesn't even describe what you do any more g ... since you are seriously evil
DO NOT TROLL ME IN ANY WAY AT ALL AGAIN
thanks
blah blah blah
September 5, 2015 at 11:57 AM"
You are seriously stressed out over your incredible vicious stupidity.
not g.
YOU MAKE US PROUD UBES
Anonymous Fake Kenhyderal said...
Sid -- What are you going to do when the NC State Bar sees Mangum's PDR and reads your comments here? Violation of an injunction generally means jail time or a fine. Which would you prefer?
I would prefer neither of the options you listed... instead I would prefer justice which would mean that the conviction of Crystal Mangum be overturned and her immediate release.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid:
You better hope that none of your fans on this shlog informed the bar of your actions in preparing and filing Mangum's soon to be denied PDR, or else you may soon find yourself enjoying a sausage in ways you never imagined.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe, for one thing, Mangum's Pro Se PDR has not yet been denied. Secondly, my fans would not bother to inform the State Bar of anything... only my enemies would do that. Thirdly, I'm a practicing vegetarian.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
September 4, 2015 at 10:00 AM
Unless the negligent malpractice of the intubation error was actually murder, then it was malpractice which is described as an accidental cause of death. There are many charges that might result from further investigation of those details to determine whether accidental or intentional killing of Mr. Daye by Duke malpractice, but Murder by Malpractice by Ms. Mangum is probably not one of them.
Definitely Daye's death would have been more closely investigated by Lieutenant Columbo. The Durham Police Department and the Durham District Attorney's Office do not plan to investigate because they don't want to know the truth about the manner of Daye's demise.
Anonymous kenhyderal supporter said...
Dr. Harr,
Why are you not posting at your blog the letters that kenhyderal has been writing in support of Crystal?
Simply because I cannot post what I do not have. I am not in possession of letters, or copies of letters, which kenhyderal has written in support of Ms. Mangum. I would definitely post them if I had them.
Nifong Supporter said...
"I would prefer neither of the options you listed... instead I would prefer justice which would mean that the conviction of Crystal Mangum be overturned and her immediate release."
You mean,you wish yor favorite murderess/false accuser would get a pass for her crimes.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Abe, for one thing, Mangum's Pro Se PDR has not yet been denied. Secondly, my fans would not bother to inform the State Bar of anything... only my enemies would do that. Thirdly, I'm a practicing vegetarian."
What fans? All two of them, both of whom are kenny.
What are ubes?
University of Bristol Expeditions Society (UBES)?
https://www.facebook.com/bristolexpeditions
Crystal should have been executed but instead she got a very lenient sentence due to black and female privilege.
When a crime is extremely unusual there is reason to be very skeptical that it occurred.A white man raping a black woman is a crime that almost never happens.
Act Now for Ocean Natives (ANON)
Sid wrote: "Clearly, Mangum is innocent of murder because Daye's death was accidental..."
We all know that contributory negligence has no place in the criminal law. State v. Faust, 258 N.C. 453, 128 S.E.2d 889 (1963).
"with the proximate cause being an esophageal intubation by Duke University Hospital in the treatment of delirium tremens."
Arguing facts not in evidence. Indeed, the evidence is the proximate case of death was a stab wound inflicted by Crystal Mangum. A fact confirmed by Crystal's own independent expert and publicized by Sid.
"No where does Dr. Nichols, Dr. Roberts, or the prosecutors give a nexus between the stab wound and Daye's death."
Except they both did. Dr. Nichols testified under oath as to his diagnosis. Dr. Roberts wrote in her report as well as gave in her oral report to Crystal the proximate cause of death.
Sid you have allowed your emotions and even your paranoia to get the best of you in this case. Like you have done so many times before.
Walt-in-Durham
I still find it funny that Sid and Kenny barely bother to hide their contempt for Crystal anymore - but her and others still think they want to help. Because they were not allowed to talk to Dr. Roberts, they assume she could not make the link - and they assume her lawyers didn't ask her about it.
You are pathetic abusers.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Then post the letter to Ridgeway as well ... whether there was an attachment or not, you haven't posted it.
I have no problem posting the Ridgeway letter, and even included a letter I delivered to the Durham Justice Building for Judge Orlando Hudson weeks earlier.
Mr. harr, in your letter to Judge Ridgeway you called yourself a retired physician.
You are a minimally trained, minimally experienced person with MD appended to his name.
You are totally incapable of understanding anything about the autopsy on Reginald Daye.
So - your letter to Hudson, and Ridgeway, was based on your lies about Haynes? Have you apologized to them for your mistake?
Plus - you keep citing felony Murder, which, as has been repeatedly shown, was never at issue. It makes you look like a complete idiot with an agenda, and not someone who is actually paying attention, when you keep bringing it up.
If you weren't so sad, you'd be completely pathetic.
Hey Sid, Who's your daddy?
Sidney,
Your letter to Hudson, dated 29 June, accuses Aykia Hanes of perjury. I assume you thought this was indeed the case at that time; you have told us that you apologized to Hanes on 1 July. This is all right; I've told you before that I was certain you had not knowingly told an untruth.
Why, however, did you send a copy of that same letter to Ridgeway? You're repeating the same accusation, knowing that it was untrue.
Dr. Harr,
Do you have a copy of the MAR that Ms. Mangum submitted and the letter to her from Judge Hudson concerning it available to post? Why doesn't Ms. Mangum file another MAR?
So, you ask Hudson to act based on false assumptions by you (as you've admitted). A month later, knowing your error, you send the letter to Ridgeway asking him to act, also with same false assumptions and statements. No wonder you are being ignored.
Just further proof you want Crystal to think you are helping when you aren't. Furthering the abuse.
Dr. Harr,
It seems to me that if these current appeal actions by Ms. Mangum do not produce adequate results in the form of a lawyer to represent Ms. Mangum's defense as she herself insists (like:
the correct date of death and manner of actual documented demise which is malpractice by Duke in the form of a faulty intubation procedure for questionable reasons to produce equally questionable tests results for yet other questionable reasons,
and the cover-up by the justice system beginning with Duke themselves not admitting it was malpractice to the police and the courts from the very beginning,
through the state Medical Examiner false representation to conceal the malpractice and place blame on Ms. Mangum that is Not documented through fact or evidence beyond ANY level of doubt,
and on through all the lawyers and judges who have refused to acknowledge the quite obvious documented malpractice and cover-up of the same - therefore contributing directly to the cover-up,
up until the present cover-up in the Appeals Court venue);
then: is the next step to submit a complaint to the U.S. AG asking for assistance to achieve justice in the Duke/Durham/NC in-justice system? Especially if Judge Hudson meant that Ms. Mangum cannot submit another MAR to his court which is what I understood from what you said before about the MAR Ms. Mangum submitted and the letter Mr. Hudson sent back to her. Can you post those documents for further review here? Is the next step the U.S. AG? ???
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Sidney,
Please post as “Letter from Smith to North Carolina State Bar – September 7, 2015”
September 7, 2015
David R. Johnson, Esq.
Deputy Counsel
Office of Counsel
North Carolina State Bar
Post Office Box 25908
Raleigh, NC 27611
Dear Mr. Johnson:
I understand that you reminded Dr. Sidney B. Harr that he was subject to an injunction that prohibits him “from filing or acting on behalf of Ms. Mangum’s legal interests in her criminal matter.”
On August 11, Ms. Mangum filed pro se a Petition for Discretionary Review with the North Carolina Supreme Court. Ms. Mangum’s case number is 286P15.
In an exchange on his blog at 8:31am on August 20, Dr. Harr clarified what his “transcription” services entailed:
Commenter:
You have stated that you merely "transcribed" the petition. However, you also stated that Crystal did not dictate the petition to you and that she did not provide a handwritten draft.
In other words, you and Crystal discussed a number of arguments which you and she believed should be included in a petition, and you and Crystal decided which arguments to include. After you and Crystal had reached agreement on the arguments to be included in the petition, you drafted the petition, she approved it, she claimed it as her own pro se petition, and she authorized you to file it on her behalf (your act of filing merely an administrative task). Is that correct?
Dr. Harr:
I would say that your assessment as laid forth in your final paragraph is close to reality.
Ms. Mangum also instructed her appeals attorney, Ann Petersen, to withdraw the PDR Petersen filed on Ms. Mangum’s behalf. Petersen’s PDR addressed the 404(b) issue raised on appeal. Ms. Mangum’s PDR focuses on the esophageal intubation and the conspiracy to cover up that intubation.
Please confirm to Dr. Harr that the North Carolina State Bar agrees that his transcription services do not violate the court order and will take no action.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
John D. Smith
New York, NY
It would be outrageous to see the NC State Bar do anything to Mr. Harr, who is not a lawyer, and then turn around and condone Ms. Petersen lying to the Appeal Judges about the date and manner of death, and not appealing any of the other nine (or more) appeal items that Ms. Mangum want's appealed, and then submitting a PDR on behalf of Ms. Mangum when Ms. Mangum had already filed a complaint with the NC State Bar against Ms. Petersen and did Not request her further services on the PDR - yet did have to rely on Dr. Harr in order to get a PDR filed Pro-Se that represented her actual defense appeal arguments and has asked again for legal services to adequately assist in representing her legal defense.
Dr. Harr, please make sure Ms. Mangum has another NC State Bar complaint form that she can immediately submit to complain about Ms. Petersen's continued lack of ability to adequately represent her or provide legal services to her on behalf of her legal defense in this case with details on how and why the PDR that Ms. Petersen submitted is subject to their continued disciplinary oversight.
Basically Ms. Petersen appealed a death that never occurred. There is no Mr. Daye who died '3 days later' at Duke due to the manner in which she describes in her appeal briefs. That death has no evidence or fact to support it.
The date of death "3 days later" was a typo that had no effect whatsoever on the 404(b) issue raised in the appeal. Only a complete moron or a troll would obsess over it.
@ John D. Smith. As a non-resident of North Carolina and with only the base and sadistic intention of creating difficulties for Crystal with your unwanted interference, you demonstrate what a nefarious person you are. @ Dr. Harr: Please do not re-post this letter unless Smith provides his full address and contact information. Otherwise I take it that he is simply making mischief
" kenhyderal said...
@ John D. Smith. As a non-resident of North Carolina and with only the base and sadistic intention of creating difficulties for Crystal with your unwanted interference, you demonstrate what a nefarious person you are. @ Dr. Harr: Please do not re-post this letter unless Smith provides his full address and contact information. Otherwise I take it that he is simply making mischief
September 7, 2015 at 3:09 PM"
Boy are you stressed out over your incredible vicious stupidity.
September 7, 2015 at 3:04 PM
What was "3 days later" a typo of? ??? Was 'he died of a catastrophic illness' also a typo of something?
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
It would be outrageous to see the NC State Bar do anything to Mr. Harr, who is not a lawyer, and then turn around and condone Ms. Petersen lying to the Appeal Judges about the date and manner of death, and not appealing any of the other nine (or more) appeal items that Ms. Mangum want's appealed, and then submitting a PDR on behalf of Ms. Mangum when Ms. Mangum had already filed a complaint with the NC State Bar against Ms. Petersen and did Not request her further services on the PDR - yet did have to rely on Dr. Harr in order to get a PDR filed Pro-Se that represented her actual defense appeal arguments and has asked again for legal services to adequately assist in representing her legal defense.
Dr. Harr, please make sure Ms. Mangum has another NC State Bar complaint form that she can immediately submit to complain about Ms. Petersen's continued lack of ability to adequately represent her or provide legal services to her on behalf of her legal defense in this case with details on how and why the PDR that Ms. Petersen submitted is subject to their continued disciplinary oversight.
September 7, 2015 at 2:37 PM"
Boy are you incredibly and viciously stupid.
kenny:
The only person making mischief is Sid.
Sid broke the law and violated a court order when he undertook to prepare and file a PDR for Mangum. In terms of creating difficulties for Mangum, Sid is doing a fine job of that all on his own. The PDR he prepared is legally deficient and has zero chance of succeeding, so he has destroyed any prospects Mangum had for a review of her case.
Your guess is as good as mine as to whether John D. Smith or anyone else informed the Bar of Sid's latest frolic into the practice of law without a license. However, if the Bar finds out what Sid has done, he will be in serious, serious trouble.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
It will be something to see what the NC State Bar does now given how Ms. Petersen has lied to the appeal judges and in the PDR process - at least to the point that she claimed to submit the PDR on Ms. Mangum's behalf - because she did not per Ms. Mangum. She also did not provide effective legal defense assistance and representation throughout the appeals process, therefore necessitating Dr. Harr's assistance in getting a pro-se PDR filed on Ms. Mangum behalf. It is Ms. Petersen's professional fault in this case that is of concern to the NC State Bar foremost in this situation.
Who's your daddy?
It's not a lie if you didn't mean to do it -- Just ask Sid.
" Anonymous said...
It will be something to see what the NC State Bar does now given how Ms. Petersen has lied to the appeal judges and in the PDR process - at least to the point that she claimed to submit the PDR on Ms. Mangum's behalf - because she did not per Ms. Mangum. She also did not provide effective legal defense assistance and representation throughout the appeals process, therefore necessitating Dr. Harr's assistance in getting a pro-se PDR filed on Ms. Mangum behalf. It is Ms. Petersen's professional fault in this case that is of concern to the NC State Bar foremost in this situation.
September 7, 2015 at 4:28 PM"
You are incredibly and viciously stupid.
Anonymous at 2:37 PM wrote: "It would be outrageous to see the NC State Bar do anything to Mr. Harr, who is not a lawyer,..."
Among the Bar's responsibilities are the regulation of the unlicensed practice of law.
"... and then turn around and condone Ms. Petersen lying to the Appeal Judges about the date..."
She made an error in writing the brief. Nothing more. The record is clear on the date of death.
"... and manner of death,..."
You cannot argue facts not in evidence on appeal. The place for that is a Motion for Appropriate Relief. This has been explained time and time again. RTFF or you will appear to be a fool.
"... and not appealing any of the other nine (or more) appeal items that Ms. Mangum want's appealed...."
None of those nine items are subject to the court's discretionary review. That too has been explained to you.
Anonymous at 4:28 PM wrote: " She also did not provide effective legal defense assistance and representation throughout the appeals process,..."
How so? She raised and argued the issues that were preserved at trial for appeal, with one exception.
"therefore necessitating Dr. Harr's assistance...."
That does not follow. If she believed she was ill-served by Ann Peterson, her remedy is to get another lawyer, or file on her own. Sid's assistance is not one of the options available unless he just walked the paperwork from Central Prison to the Clerk's office. That said, all the other inmates in the DOC manage to use the mail for that simple task, so Sid's help is more a hindrance than anything. But, he's been undermining the case for years. No reason for him to stop now. And, she seems to go along with it. Just another example of her self-destructive decision making.
Walt-in-Durham
Tinfoil said:
"It will be something to see what the NC State Bar does now given how Ms. Petersen has lied to the appeal judges and in the PDR process - at least to the point that she claimed to submit the PDR on Ms. Mangum's behalf - because she did not per Ms. Mangum. She also did not provide effective legal defense assistance and representation throughout the appeals process, therefore necessitating Dr. Harr's assistance in getting a pro-se PDR filed on Ms. Mangum behalf. It is Ms. Petersen's professional fault in this case that is of concern to the NC State Bar foremost in this situation."
Attorney Petersen has done nothing wrong. Nothing will come of any complaint filed against her for her representation of Mangum.
You may want to ask Sid for a crying towel. He has more than he can use and no one to give them to.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Walt,
What you said is so wrong. It wasn't a typo by Ms. Petersen. She deliberately stated the wrong date and method of death thereby completely covering-up the Duke malpractice issues instead of addressing them like Ms. Mangum continues to insist upon. Then the Appeals Judges took Ms. Petersen's lies at face value instead of examining the evidence to discern the truth and therefore repeated the lies and based their judgements on them. That is Not acceptable to anyone but you perhaps.
Ms. Mangum did ask for a new lawyer to represent her while also meeting the deadline for the PDR filing to inform the courts of the real issues that need to be appealed. Ms. Mangum needs a lawyer to spend time with her and address the real issues of the case and the trial in a manner which actually assists in Ms. Mangum's defense at some point in this case.
Anonymous at 8:18 wrote: "What you said is so wrong. It wasn't a typo by Ms. Petersen. She deliberately stated the wrong date..."
The state had the right date and the record has the right date. The record controls.
... and method of death"
I know you won't reply, or even consider the facts. But, Mangum has no evidence in the record other than Dr. Nichols and Dr. Roberts expert opinions that she cased the death. You can bray all you want, but without evidence, Crystal has no argument on appeal. An appeal exists not to satisfy your emotions, but to correct errors of law made below. The way to do that is with evidence or by showing the trial court got the law wrong.
It has been explained here time and time again that the method of dealing with new found evidence is a Motion for Appropriate relief. You have evidenced no ability to learn.
"... Then the Appeals Judges took Ms. Petersen's lies at face value instead of examining the evidence to discern the truth and therefore repeated the lies and based their judgements on them. That is Not acceptable to anyone but you perhaps."
Courts of appeal do not examine new evidence, that is for trial courts. This too has been explained to you. Try to RTFF. It's always better to remain silent and thought a fool than to write as you have and remove all doubt.
"... inform the court of the real issues that need to be appealed."
For the third time, this has been explained to you. Repeating your mistake makes it look like you intentionally are covering up the truth.
"Ms. Mangum needs a lawyer to spend time with her and address the real issues of the case and the trial in a manner which actually assists in Ms. Mangum's defense at some point in this case."
Crystal has had a multitude of lawyers, every one of whom spent appropriate amounts of time with her and tried to actually assist her. She rejected their advice, wise though it was, and filed frivolous motions, revealed confidential and damaging evidence to Sid who breached her confidence and shared it with the prosecution, and now she's rejected a well written and argued petition for discretionary review that meets the burdens of the statute that allows discretionary review in favor of a petition that fails to do so. Crystal has had good lawyers, she has rejected their advice. This is her mess.
Walt-in-Durham
Anonymous John D. Smith said...
Sidney,
Please post as “Letter from Smith to North Carolina State Bar – September 7, 2015”
September 7, 2015
David R. Johnson, Esq.
Deputy Counsel
Office of Counsel
North Carolina State Bar
Post Office Box 25908
Raleigh, NC 27611
Dear Mr. Johnson:
I understand that you reminded Dr. Sidney B. Harr that he was subject to an injunction that prohibits him “from filing or acting on behalf of Ms. Mangum’s legal interests in her criminal matter.”
On August 11, Ms. Mangum filed pro se a Petition for Discretionary Review with the North Carolina Supreme Court. Ms. Mangum’s case number is 286P15.
In an exchange on his blog at 8:31am on August 20, Dr. Harr clarified what his “transcription” services entailed:
Commenter:
You have stated that you merely "transcribed" the petition. However, you also stated that Crystal did not dictate the petition to you and that she did not provide a handwritten draft.
In other words, you and Crystal discussed a number of arguments which you and she believed should be included in a petition, and you and Crystal decided which arguments to include. After you and Crystal had reached agreement on the arguments to be included in the petition, you drafted the petition, she approved it, she claimed it as her own pro se petition, and she authorized you to file it on her behalf (your act of filing merely an administrative task). Is that correct?
Dr. Harr:
I would say that your assessment as laid forth in your final paragraph is close to reality.
Ms. Mangum also instructed her appeals attorney, Ann Petersen, to withdraw the PDR Petersen filed on Ms. Mangum’s behalf. Petersen’s PDR addressed the 404(b) issue raised on appeal. Ms. Mangum’s PDR focuses on the esophageal intubation and the conspiracy to cover up that intubation.
Please confirm to Dr. Harr that the North Carolina State Bar agrees that his transcription services do not violate the court order and will take no action.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
John D. Smith
New York, NY
Attorney Smith, thank you so much for your support and your letter to Mr. Johnson of the NC State Bar. Although what I drafted in the PDR contains issues which Crystal Mangum and I have discussed in depth during the past several months of my weekly visitation, I believe that I may have misled you with regards to my involvement as I did not in the strictest sense transcribe what she dictated to me. It has always been my understanding that visitation at the correctional facility does not allow paper, pens, pencils, or means of taking dictation. Therefore, I did my best to present, as best I could, her position on the appeal, and what she wanted conveyed to the NC Supreme Court. So I apologize to you for my misleading statement that led you to believe the bulk of my service in this case was merely as a transcriber. What I did do, however, was present her position as we had discussed it in depth... something which her legal counsel never did. Ms. Petersen, for example, never discussed Mangum's concerns or received her input prior to drafting the appeals brief.
Thank you, again, for the letter of support, but I unintentionally misled you about the depth of my involvement which was more than as a direct transcriber. That said, however, what I drafted pertained to discussions we had and represented what she wanted presented to the NC Supreme Court.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
It will be something to see what the NC State Bar does now given how Ms. Petersen has lied to the appeal judges and in the PDR process - at least to the point that she claimed to submit the PDR on Ms. Mangum's behalf - because she did not per Ms. Mangum. She also did not provide effective legal defense assistance and representation throughout the appeals process, therefore necessitating Dr. Harr's assistance in getting a pro-se PDR filed on Ms. Mangum behalf. It is Ms. Petersen's professional fault in this case that is of concern to the NC State Bar foremost in this situation.
I, naturally, agree with what you say. The State Bar should be far more concerned about the substandard and sloppy behavior of the attorneys they have licensed. What I find extremely distressing is the cavalier attitude expressed by Ms. Petersen when she drafted to Mangum a full week following the publication of the appeals opinion "I guess you heard from the news about the opinion" (paraphrase). A competent and concerned appeals attorney would have been on the lookout for an opinion on the appropriate Tuesday and immediately notified Mangum by phone of a published decision and at that time laid out alternative avenues open to her. This is representative of her uncaring attitude toward her client. (Of course, I am of the opinion that Petersen, like Mangum's trial attorneys, had priorities favoring Duke University Hosptial and the medical examiner over Mangum.)
Like you have identified, the NC State Bar should be concerned about the professional conduct of Petersen and Mangum's other trial attorneys which was glaringly deficient to the extent that it provoked minimum intervention by a reluctant lay advocate.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Walt,
What you said is so wrong. It wasn't a typo by Ms. Petersen. She deliberately stated the wrong date and method of death thereby completely covering-up the Duke malpractice issues instead of addressing them like Ms. Mangum continues to insist upon. Then the Appeals Judges took Ms. Petersen's lies at face value instead of examining the evidence to discern the truth and therefore repeated the lies and based their judgements on them. That is Not acceptable to anyone but you perhaps.
Ms. Mangum did ask for a new lawyer to represent her while also meeting the deadline for the PDR filing to inform the courts of the real issues that need to be appealed. Ms. Mangum needs a lawyer to spend time with her and address the real issues of the case and the trial in a manner which actually assists in Ms. Mangum's defense at some point in this case.
You are absolutely correct! Mangum did try repeatedly to get involvement during the appeals process from someone other than Ms. Petersen whose appeals brief Mangum found to be extremely disturbing. Specifically, she sought help from the Innocence Inquiry Commission and the NC Center on Actual Innocence, both of which turned her down. She tried to get help from the NC Prisoner Legal Services, but it declined stating that her appeals process had not run its course. She asked me to try and find an attorney for her, but the ones I contacted (including Mr. Arbour and Mr. Charns who I felt fought strongly for their clients) were not willing or able to assist Ms. Mangum. Time constraints also mandated that something be filed if a PDR was to be considered by the NC Supreme Court. With Mangum pleading with me to help her get a decent brief filed which represented her concerns, my involvement was certainly a last ditch measure.
I do believe that Ms. Petersen's brief did more to protect Duke University Hospital and Dr. Nichols than it did to help Ms. Mangum... especially by misrepresenting to the Court of Appeals that Daye's spleen had been removed at surgery and was not available for examination at autopsy.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Tinfoil said:
"It will be something to see what the NC State Bar does now given how Ms. Petersen has lied to the appeal judges and in the PDR process - at least to the point that she claimed to submit the PDR on Ms. Mangum's behalf - because she did not per Ms. Mangum. She also did not provide effective legal defense assistance and representation throughout the appeals process, therefore necessitating Dr. Harr's assistance in getting a pro-se PDR filed on Ms. Mangum behalf. It is Ms. Petersen's professional fault in this case that is of concern to the NC State Bar foremost in this situation."
Attorney Petersen has done nothing wrong. Nothing will come of any complaint filed against her for her representation of Mangum.
You may want to ask Sid for a crying towel. He has more than he can use and no one to give them to.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe, the Day of Lacrimation has not yet arrived. On that glorious day, when Mangum is exonerated and freed, the crying towel I have personally set aside for you will be ready for shipment.
Anonymous Fake Kenhyderal said...
It's not a lie if you didn't mean to do it -- Just ask Sid.
Although I do not propose to be a Noah Webster, I would not define a factual misstatement as being a lie, especially if not done with the intention of misleading or deceit.
guiowen said...
Sidney,
Your letter to Hudson, dated 29 June, accuses Aykia Hanes of perjury. I assume you thought this was indeed the case at that time; you have told us that you apologized to Hanes on 1 July. This is all right; I've told you before that I was certain you had not knowingly told an untruth.
Why, however, did you send a copy of that same letter to Ridgeway? You're repeating the same accusation, knowing that it was untrue.
gui, mon ami,
I think you miss the point of my issues regarding Aykia Hanes. I believe that she did commit perjury when she stated that after Daye fled the apartment Mangum came to the door, told her boyfriend that "everything was fine," and then slammed the door shut. Doesn't make sense... and it is denied by Crystal. The point I made in correction regarding assertions of perjury by Hanes is that I was mistaken in the relative positions of their apartments and the ability to hear conversations between unshared walls. Also I question whether Aykia's version that bodies were thumped against the wall causing a mirror to fall off. Mangum denies that bodies were thrown against the wall, and if that were the case, it would be logical that Mangum's body would be the one launched into the structure... not the other way around.
However, the overriding issue I wanted to present to the judges is that perjured testimony was used by the medical examiner for the purpose of wrongly convicting Mangum... something which neither judge wanted to hear.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
It seems to me that if these current appeal actions by Ms. Mangum do not produce adequate results in the form of a lawyer to represent Ms. Mangum's defense as she herself insists (like:
the correct date of death and manner of actual documented demise which is malpractice by Duke in the form of a faulty intubation procedure for questionable reasons to produce equally questionable tests results for yet other questionable reasons,
and the cover-up by the justice system beginning with Duke themselves not admitting it was malpractice to the police and the courts from the very beginning,
through the state Medical Examiner false representation to conceal the malpractice and place blame on Ms. Mangum that is Not documented through fact or evidence beyond ANY level of doubt,
and on through all the lawyers and judges who have refused to acknowledge the quite obvious documented malpractice and cover-up of the same - therefore contributing directly to the cover-up,
up until the present cover-up in the Appeals Court venue);
then: is the next step to submit a complaint to the U.S. AG asking for assistance to achieve justice in the Duke/Durham/NC in-justice system? Especially if Judge Hudson meant that Ms. Mangum cannot submit another MAR to his court which is what I understood from what you said before about the MAR Ms. Mangum submitted and the letter Mr. Hudson sent back to her. Can you post those documents for further review here? Is the next step the U.S. AG? ???
I am shocked and disappointed that justice has not been attained on a state level. Definitely, an attempt to engage the U.S. Attorney General is an option not far in the distance.
Nifong Supporter said...
"I, naturally, agree with what you say. The State Bar should be far more concerned about the substandard and sloppy behavior of the attorneys they have licensed."
mr. harr again manifests that he is not only incredibly and viciously stupid but also delusional.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Abe, the Day of Lacrimation has not yet arrived. On that glorious day, when Mangum is exonerated and freed, the crying towel I have personally set aside for you will be ready for shipment."
Yet again mr. harr shows he is delusional.
Nifong Supporter said...
"I think you miss the point of my issues regarding Aykia Hanes. I believe that she did commit perjury when she stated that after Daye fled the apartment Mangum came to the door, told her boyfriend that "everything was fine," and then slammed the door shut. Doesn't make sense... and it is denied by Crystal."
You mean it is denied by crystal the liar, the false accuser.
Nifong Supporter said...
"I am shocked and disappointed that justice has not been attained on a state level. Definitely, an attempt to engage the U.S. Attorney General is an option not far in the distance."
For the third time in this series of comments, mr. harr shows he is delusional.
mr.harr is the same individual who believes shan carter should get a pass for killing an 8 year old boy while in the process of chasing after and gunning down another drug dealer with an illegally possessed weapon.
Sidney,
So then, you are accusing Hanes of perjury. Good to know.
Sidney,
Let's get this straight. Back in June, you accuse Hanes of perjury because of your unfounded speculations about the apartment building layout. When you realize your mistake, you send Hanes a letter of "heartfelt" apology. Now, however, you're essentially saying, "I did make a mistake on the layout, but I'm still certain you perjured yourself."
Good thing for you, Sidney, that no one other than Kenny and Tinfoil believe what you say. Otherwise Hanes would have good grounds to sue you.
Sidney,
Did you encourage Crystal to instruct Petersen to withdraw her PDR?
I think Ann Petersen has not done a very good job of communication with Crystal Magnum. I assume she was assigned by the State to represent Magnum for her appeal. The appeal was sloppy with some of the facts. The lawyers commenting here and Petersen herself stated that those errors did not affect the appeal. OK, but still it is poor representation. The appeal fails and Petersen sends a letter to Magnum saying as you probably know your appeal failed and I can do a PDR for you. But again Petersen seems to not be in any communication with Magnum and just submits a PDR. I assume Petersen is paid for this work? Now you start wondering about Petersen just going through the motions at best. Some say the PDR was well done, but it was not shown or explained to Magnum on what the process is or should be for her.
If I was Petersen I would make sure Sidney is shutdown. This means talking to Magnum and getting the Bar involved. Sidney is playing the system and he needs to be dealt with.
The only way Ms. Petersen is going to be able to 'deal with' Dr. Harr is to admit to the Duke malpractice, the state medical examiner systems erroneous autopsy report, and the cover-up of the same by her and others. That would be something to see.
Anonymous at 7:33 PM wrote: "If I was Petersen I would make sure Sidney is shutdown."
That is essentially what Scott Holmes did. He told Crystal he would take her case if ,and only if, she stopped talking to Sid. That's the only way to really handle someone like Sid who will gladly breach a confidence and share confidential information with the whole world to the detriment of the defendant. I am in complete agreement, Petersen should have conditioned her representation on Crystal cooperating with her and shutting out Sid. Unfortunately, for Crystal, she didn't.
Walt-in-Durham
Why, Ms. Petersen didn't win the appeal even with totally ignoring Ms. Mangum and her actual appeal and defense issues?
To Anon 6:18,
Your comment seems to imply that IF ONLY Crystal had had a good appeal lawyer, she would have won the appeal. That's quite an assumption on your part.
guiowen said...
Sidney,
Let's get this straight. Back in June, you accuse Hanes of perjury because of your unfounded speculations about the apartment building layout. When you realize your mistake, you send Hanes a letter of "heartfelt" apology. Now, however, you're essentially saying, "I did make a mistake on the layout, but I'm still certain you perjured yourself."
Good thing for you, Sidney, that no one other than Kenny and Tinfoil believe what you say. Otherwise Hanes would have good grounds to sue you.
The reason I believe Ms. Hanes committed perjury is related to her statement that after Daye ran from the apartment with his stab wound, Mangum came to the door and allegedly told Hanes' boyfriend that Mangum said, "everything's fine," prior to slamming the door shut. I don't believe this version because Hanes' boyfriend was never interviewed and never called to testify firsthand. Furthermore, I believe Mangum's scenario that she was first to leave the apartment after stabbing Daye... and she saw and spoke to no one on her flight from the apartment. Let me know if further elucidation is required.
guiowen said...
To Anon 6:18,
Your comment seems to imply that IF ONLY Crystal had had a good appeal lawyer, she would have won the appeal. That's quite an assumption on your part.
qui, if Mangum would have had an attorney who had her best interests at heart, she would have won the appeal for a new trial. If Mangum would've had an attorney with her best interests at heart, she would've been acquitted. Mangum's attorneys didn't have to be Perry Mason good for her to win an acquittal... only competent and true to her best interests.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney,
Did you encourage Crystal to instruct Petersen to withdraw her PDR?
I really don't remember conversations regarding that, however, I do know that Mangum was surprised that Petersen filed a PDR... especially since Mangum did not request her to do so. Mangum's concern was that the NC Supreme Court would give attention to Petersen's PDR while ignoring Mangum's Pro Se one. The Attorney General's Office did just that. For that reason, Mangum wanted Petersen to withdraw her PDR so that the NC Supreme Court would be sure to consider her Pro Se one. When I was informed by the NC Supreme Court Clerk that both PDRs would be under consideration, then I didn't have as objectionable feelings about Petersen's filing as I did before. The decision to ask Petersen to withdraw her PDR was Mangum's alone.
Nifong Supporter said...
"...I believe Mangum's scenario that she was first to leave the apartment after stabbing Daye".
In other words you believe crystal the liar/false accuser.
"Nifong Supporter said...
guiowen said...
To Anon 6:18,
Your comment seems to imply that IF ONLY Crystal had had a good appeal lawyer, she would have won the appeal. That's quite an assumption on your part.
qui, if Mangum would have had an attorney who had her best interests at heart, she would have won the appeal for a new trial. If Mangum would've had an attorney with her best interests at heart, she would've been acquitted. Mangum's attorneys didn't have to be Perry Mason good for her to win an acquittal... only competent and true to her best interests.
September 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM"
mr. harr manifests again he is incredibly and viciously stupid.
Sid:
Mangum's attorneys work and live in the real world, where they can't make an argument that is not supported by the facts and law. They do not answer to you and they aren't obliged to indulge your delusions. They don't ply their avocation on this shlog where one is free to engage in whimsical flights from reality , weave yarns of massive conspiracies, create facts not supported by any evidence and imagine testimony from witnesses who do not exist.
Had Mangum listened to her attorneys who were guarding her interests (instead of advancing yours) she would either be free by now or nearing the end of her sentence. They knew the evidence and law of her case and knew the very real risks she faced. They knew the danger of pursuing your folly and the consequences it would have. Instead, because of your (and Mangum's) mistakes, hubris and exceptionally bad judgment, she is going to serve another decade in prison.
And spare me the juvenile retorts about "crying towels." This is/was a serious matter and you are an unserious person. All your predictions have missed the mark and all the deadlines you have set have come and gone. No judge, jury, competent attorney or government official will entertain your arguments and anyone who can help Mangum crosses the street when they see you coming.
I hope you and Mangum enjoy the view from the bottom of the pit you both have dug for yourselves. My advice is to put down your shovels and stop digging. Accept responsibility for and learn from your past mistakes and endeavor to do better going forward.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
In other words, Sidney,
Leave the poor benighted woman alone!
Reading those letters and how Harr brags about himself and his brilliance - even Kenny has to admit Harr is at least no longer even pretending to care about Crystal - this is all about him.
Even the PDR Harr drafted is as much about him and the wrongs he believes have been inflicted upon him as it is about Mangum's case. And the more people ignore him, or tell him he is wrong, the more it reinforces his opinion of his own brilliance.
He is the worst type of zealot; one who is so wrapped up in his cause he has lost the ability to think rationally and reason objectively. He worships at the Church of Mangum. Her purity and innocence is dogma that cannot be questioned.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
seriously Abe, such dribble not worthy of the arena
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
Reading those letters and how Harr brags about himself and his brilliance - even Kenny has to admit Harr is at least no longer even pretending to care about Crystal - this is all about him.
My letters are serious and an attempt to elicit a response from those who are determined to suppress and/or ignore the truths with respect to Crystal Mangum's case. Clearly I am not bragging about myself... I do not have Trump DNA in my chromosomes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid:
Mangum's attorneys work and live in the real world, where they can't make an argument that is not supported by the facts and law. They do not answer to you and they aren't obliged to indulge your delusions. They don't ply their avocation on this shlog where one is free to engage in whimsical flights from reality , weave yarns of massive conspiracies, create facts not supported by any evidence and imagine testimony from witnesses who do not exist.
Had Mangum listened to her attorneys who were guarding her interests (instead of advancing yours) she would either be free by now or nearing the end of her sentence. They knew the evidence and law of her case and knew the very real risks she faced. They knew the danger of pursuing your folly and the consequences it would have. Instead, because of your (and Mangum's) mistakes, hubris and exceptionally bad judgment, she is going to serve another decade in prison.
And spare me the juvenile retorts about "crying towels." This is/was a serious matter and you are an unserious person. All your predictions have missed the mark and all the deadlines you have set have come and gone. No judge, jury, competent attorney or government official will entertain your arguments and anyone who can help Mangum crosses the street when they see you coming.
I hope you and Mangum enjoy the view from the bottom of the pit you both have dug for yourselves. My advice is to put down your shovels and stop digging. Accept responsibility for and learn from your past mistakes and endeavor to do better going forward.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe, you got it all wrong.
The pit was dug by the Medical Examiner Dr. Clay Nichols and Durham County prosecutors... Mangum's turncoat attorneys, especially Daniel Meier, pushed Mangum into it.
I have lowered a lifeline by which she can eventually be pulled from the depths of the abyss and gain her freedom and be restored.
Nifong Supporter said...
"My letters are serious and an attempt to elicit a response from those who are determined to suppress and/or ignore the truths with respect to Crystal Mangum's case."
You do not tell the truth about crystal, e.g. you constantly refer to her as teh victim/ccuser in the duke lacrosse team rape case. It has been proven beyond all doubt that crystal was not raped on teh nignt of 6/7 March 2006, the truth is she is a false accuser/liar/victimizer.
Nifong Supporter said...
"I have lowered a lifeline by which she can eventually be pulled from the depths of the abyss and gain her freedom and be restored."
Your so called lifeline is nothing but insubstantial delusional ramblings.
Said lifeline shows only you are seriously deluded and incredibly and viciously stupid.
Anonymous said: "even Kenny has to admit Harr is at least no longer even pretending to care about Crystal - this is all about him".......................... I will make no such admission. Crystal believes, as do I, that Dr. Harr is working, valiantly, to reverse the disgraceful, miscarriage of justice that she has been subjected to.
"I will make no such admission. Crystal believes, as do I, that Dr. Harr is working, valiantly, to reverse the disgraceful, miscarriage of justice that she has been subjected to."
Really -- Why does Harr's PDR mention things like the "hatchet job" performed on him by the Indy Week? Why is that even included in this document? Why is Harr's "detention" in some Washington D.C. "legislative office" mentioned in this document? Why does this document mention Mike Nifong, who has absolutely no involvement with either Harr or Mangum?
No -- this is most definitely all about Harr.
" kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said: "even Kenny has to admit Harr is at least no longer even pretending to care about Crystal - this is all about him".......................... I will make no such admission. Crystal believes, as do I, that Dr. Harr is working, valiantly, to reverse the disgraceful, miscarriage of justice that she has been subjected to."
Except there has been no "disgraceful, miscarriage of justice that she(crystal) has been subjected to." She is a murderess and a false accuser.
Poor kenny is still obsessed with getting his favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
Why does kenny not regard falsely accusing innocent men of perpetrating a rape which never happened a miscarriage of justice?
Says worlds about kenny's sense of justice or lack thereof.
Anonymous at 11:40 AM wrote: "Except there has been no "disgraceful, miscarriage of justice that she(crystal) has been subjected to." She is a murderess and a false accuser."
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!
Dr. Harr,
When you said accidental malpractice it struck me as odd, because in this legal case, you can't really say it was accidental or not given the history between Ms. Mangum and Duke. Further investigation is required to determine if any guilt exist beyond negligent malpractice, and even that would probably be questioned in a court of law, but that probably depends on the outcome of other malpractice cases involving intubation errors as to determination of negligence in accordance with the practice of law and legal procedures.
Although malpractice is assumed as accidental, whether this malpractice was indeed accidental or not is a question that the courts could pursue if they deemed to even acknowledge that the malpractice, as documented in Duke's medical records and repeated in the defense medical examiner's autopsy report, even exists. Were those two records even introduced in court as evidence? If not, perhaps that is the legal route that Ms. Mangum should pursue if needed - introducing those two items into evidence for further investigation, review, and arguments before the D.A. and then a jury as needed in order to achieve a more just and fair judgement of the actual facts and evidence in this case so far. Would she have to wait until the current process of justice was completed before she presented that type request to the D.A. herself?
Wow, I gotta say with that last comment, the stupid really does hurt. That comment has been tossed around for years on this blog, and thoroughly debunked, so it's either a troll constantly posting the same thing - or another blithering idiot to add to Kenny and Sid. At least unlike them he's just an idiot, not an abuser of Crystal.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
When you said accidental malpractice it struck me as odd, because in this legal case, you can't really say it was accidental or not given the history between Ms. Mangum and Duke. Further investigation is required to determine if any guilt exist beyond negligent malpractice, and even that would probably be questioned in a court of law, but that probably depends on the outcome of other malpractice cases involving intubation errors as to determination of negligence in accordance with the practice of law and legal procedures.
Although malpractice is assumed as accidental, whether this malpractice was indeed accidental or not is a question that the courts could pursue if they deemed to even acknowledge that the malpractice, as documented in Duke's medical records and repeated in the defense medical examiner's autopsy report, even exists. Were those two records even introduced in court as evidence? If not, perhaps that is the legal route that Ms. Mangum should pursue if needed - introducing those two items into evidence for further investigation, review, and arguments before the D.A. and then a jury as needed in order to achieve a more just and fair judgement of the actual facts and evidence in this case so far. Would she have to wait until the current process of justice was completed before she presented that type request to the D.A. herself?
I agree with what you say, and if I were a betting man, I would say the odds favor that Daye's death was homicide by intubation tube as opposed to being accidental. Issues favoring this are that a murder charge against Mangum would result in a far lengthier sentence if convicted as opposed to a conviction for assault with a deadly weapon... especially with mitigating factors in Mangum's favor such as Daye's intoxication, his rage in busting down the bathroom door, and his pulling her by the hair. Other issues favoring a homicide are that unrecognized esophageal intubation by an health caregiver experienced enough to administer a paralytic is extremely rare, and that Daye, being an African American male with a past criminal history would be considered by the North Carolina society to be an expendable life.
I believe, however, that unless a detective with the integrity of a Mike Nifong and the doggedness of a Columbo was assigned to investigate Daye's death, a serious investigation into whether Daye's death was accidental or homicidal would never take place. I've made my position known, but I want to concentrate on the fact that the stab wound had nothing to do with Daye's death... and that Daye's death was at best an accident. That's the battle I want to fight... not whether or not Duke University intentionally killed Daye.
Anonymous Fake Kenhyderal said...
"I will make no such admission. Crystal believes, as do I, that Dr. Harr is working, valiantly, to reverse the disgraceful, miscarriage of justice that she has been subjected to."
Really -- Why does Harr's PDR mention things like the "hatchet job" performed on him by the Indy Week? Why is that even included in this document? Why is Harr's "detention" in some Washington D.C. "legislative office" mentioned in this document? Why does this document mention Mike Nifong, who has absolutely no involvement with either Harr or Mangum?
No -- this is most definitely all about Harr.
Fake Kenhyderal,
Mangum's case does not exist in a vacuum. Fact is that I have been deeply involved in advocacy for her for four years. The hatchet job on me by "The Indy Week" demonstrates how the media focused on discrediting me and my position regarding Mangum's innocence. It shows that the media is biased in its coverage of Mangum, refusing, for example, to even bring up Dr. Nichols' false and fraudulent autopsy report and his perjured testimony. When on Capitol Hill, I was dropping off letters and CDs proclaiming Mangum's innocence and attempting futilely to get an appointment to speak with a senator or congressperson, or a substantial assistant. That someone in the office of these politicians would maliciously sic the security guards on me is indicative of their animus against Mangum.
Hope this answers your question. Please let me know if further edification is required.
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Anonymous at 11:40 AM wrote: "Except there has been no "disgraceful, miscarriage of justice that she(crystal) has been subjected to." She is a murderess and a false accuser."
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!
Walt, first the prosecution and medical examiner failed to prove that Daye's death was murder, when the records show that at best it was accidental due to esophageal intubation. Secondly, the false accuser is Dr. Nichols whose accusations are nothing but perjured. Clearly, Dr. Nichols received immunity for his criminal role in the charging and conviction of Mangum.
Ding-a-ling.
Sid - are you this delusional, or do you know that you are full of shit, and just don't care?
Nifong Supporter said...
"I believe, however, that unless a detective with the integrity of a Mike Nifong and the doggedness of a Columbo was assigned to investigate Daye's death, a serious investigation into whether Daye's death was accidental or homicidal would never take place."
Does More than presume a fact not in evidence. That presumes a fact proven beyond all doubt is not true, that fact being that nifong is totally void of integrity.
mr. harr's definition of integrity is prosecuting innocent men for a crime which did not happen simply becausethey are white and the false accuser was black.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Fake Kenhyderal,
Mangum's case does not exist in a vacuum. Fact is that I have been deeply involved in advocacy for her for four years. The hatchet job on me by "The Indy Week" demonstrates how the media focused on discrediting me and my position regarding Mangum's innocence. It shows that the media is biased in its coverage of Mangum, refusing, for example, to even bring up Dr. Nichols' false and fraudulent autopsy report and his perjured testimony. When on Capitol Hill, I was dropping off letters and CDs proclaiming Mangum's innocence and attempting futilely to get an appointment to speak with a senator or congressperson, or a substantial assistant. That someone in the office of these politicians would maliciously sic the security guards on me is indicative of their animus against Mangum."
This demonstrates again that mr. harr is incredibly and viciously stupid and thqt he suffers from megalmaniacal delusions of grandeur.
"Hope this answers your question. Please let me know if further edification is required."
This is an example of presuming a fat not in evidence, that mr. harr is capable of providing elucidation.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Walt, first the prosecution and medical examiner failed to prove that Daye's death was murder, when the records show that at best it was accidental due to esophageal intubation. Secondly, the false accuser is Dr. Nichols whose accusations are nothing but perjured. Clearly, Dr. Nichols received immunity for his criminal role in the charging and conviction of Mangum.
Ding-a-ling."
Yet another manifestation of mr. harr's vicious incredible stupidity and his megalomaniacal delusions of grandeur.
Hey mr. harr, explain why you never did a residency or achieved board certification in any specialty. The most likely explanation is that you did not have the ability to complete a residency and no one would accept you.
Sidney,
I'm glad to know you went to Capitol Hill.
There are (I'm told) 46 members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Did you try to see these in particular? Did you try to make an appointment before going?
If you had no luck with these, then perhaps you'd better try to see the Attorney General. Hope you have better luck there.
Dr. Harr,
Did you or Ms. Mangum provide a copy of the defense autopsy record to the D.A. to have the state autopsy investigated for the discrepancies that are documented in it?
Yes - because they forced the production of the Roberts' Report - the State was provided with the Defense Expert which pointed out the errors and mistakes with the State autopsy. But, that same expert also said that despite the mistakes, the conclusion was correct - Daye died from complications from the stab wound. So, the State didn't have to worry about the autopsy, because the ultimate answer was correct, even if there were mistakes along the way.
Have you even read this blog? This has all been clear on here, and the damage Sid and Kenny have done to Crystal in their efforts to continue to abuse her.
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guiowen said...
Sidney,
I'm glad to know you went to Capitol Hill.
There are (I'm told) 46 members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Did you try to see these in particular? Did you try to make an appointment before going?
If you had no luck with these, then perhaps you'd better try to see the Attorney General. Hope you have better luck there.
gui, mon ami,
I believe I went to Capitol Hill in April of 2013... I did not get access to meet with anyone, and I could not get an appointment when I was there. I did give a hand-written letter and CD to G.K. Butterfield (current president of the National Congressional Black Caucus), but he ignored me. Actually he ignored me repeatedly. The Legislative Black Caucus in Raleigh has repeatedly ignored me, too. The Mangum issue is too toxic for them... they all lack Nifongian courage.
Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
Did you or Ms. Mangum provide a copy of the defense autopsy record to the D.A. to have the state autopsy investigated for the discrepancies that are documented in it?
The Durham D.A. was aware of the autopsy report, and had copies of Daye's medical and hospital records... after all, I got them from prosecution discovery. The D.A. was also aware, or should have been aware, that there were significant discrepancies between the autopsy report and medical records.
Nifong Supporter said...
"I believe I went to Capitol Hill in April of 2013... I did not get access to meet with anyone, and I could not get an appointment when I was there. I did give a hand-written letter and CD to G.K. Butterfield (current president of the National Congressional Black Caucus), but he ignored me. Actually he ignored me repeatedly. The Legislative Black Caucus in Raleigh has repeatedly ignored me, too. The Mangum issue is too toxic for them... they all lack Nifongian courage."
Except the term "nifongian courage" is an oxymoron. There was nothing courageous about prosecuting innocent men for their race to curry favor with a certain bloc of voters.
Nifong Supporter said...
"The Durham D.A. was aware of the autopsy report, and had copies of Daye's medical and hospital records... after all, I got them from prosecution discovery. The D.A. was also aware, or should have been aware, that there were significant discrepancies between the autopsy report and medical records."
That the DA was better able to understand the records than you are is only evidence of your incredible vicious megalomaniacal stupidity.
No one is ignoring you - they know you are a pathetic abuser of women, and don't want to facilitate your abuse.
Why don't you come clean on why you left California? The affair, and who the affair was with? What are you hiding? You refuse to discuss your past - but it's relevant to who you are, and why anyone should trust you.
Where is my good friend kenhyderal today?
The hatchet job on me by "The Indy Week" demonstrates how the media focused on discrediting me and my position regarding Mangum's innocence.
it's not a "hatchet job" if it's true. I have asked you repeatedly to list one fact-- just one-- that the article got wrong. You have repeatedly refused to do so. Accordingly, my Sherlockian deduction is that every word in the Indy Week article is true.
Oet's state this again. True justice for nifong would have been a felony criminal conviction, a long prison term, and a hefty fine for what he tried to do to the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players.
Sid:
More importantly, what "The Indy Week" had to say about you had nothing to do with Mangum's guilt or innocence or her appeal. You hijacked Mangum's appeal to advance your issues. How incompetent and contemptible of you.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
mr. harr, why do you not explain why you never did a residency and never achieved board certification. I say again, the most likely explanation is that your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency program wanted you.
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Dr. Harr,
Perhaps the direct providing of the defense autopsy report with a request to investigate the discrepancies in the state autopsy report and the actual complications that were the proximate cause of Mr. Daye's brain death and removal from life support may just be another obvious step so simple to be overlooked by Ms. Mangum's defense? It would be the first step to take before sending further request to the US A.G. to investigate though wouldn't it?
Except that was done. The defense expert likely has answers for all of that, but since that testimony would hurt Crystal, it wasn't used. did wants to abuse and torture crystal so he keeps pushing her to admit it - he wants to hurt her, not help her.
What the frack is going on here? I leave for a little while and come back hoping to be elucidated by a nice shlog, but all I find are these evil, mean, hate-filled, nonsensical, crazy making comments from a bunch of insane hate-crime blog mongers.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
mr. harr, why do you not explain why you never did a residency and never achieved board certification. I say again, the most likely explanation is that your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency program wanted you.
It's irrelevant.
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Sid:
More importantly, what "The Indy Week" had to say about you had nothing to do with Mangum's guilt or innocence or her appeal. You hijacked Mangum's appeal to advance your issues. How incompetent and contemptible of you.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe, the Indy Week has been biased against Mangum, Nifong, and me. That is proven by false statements made in their articles about Mangum that are misleading.
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Sid said:
"Abe, the Indy Week has been biased against Mangum, Nifong, and me. That is proven by false statements made in their articles about Mangum that are misleading."
It doesn't matter. Once again, nothing The Indy Week printed about you has anything to do with Mangum's guilt or innocence, or her appeal. I know you are upset at the Indy Weekly and think they treated you unfairly, but the Supreme Court is not going to get involved in that. If you had an issue with anything The Indy Weekly printed about you, you should have sued them. Shame on you for squandering Mangum's PDR to air your grievances with The Indy Weekly.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Sid:
If you are going to opine on the medical evidence in Mangum's case your background as a physician is certainly relevant.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
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mr. harr, why do you not explain why you never did a residency and never achieved board certification. I say again, the most likely explanation is that your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency program wanted you.
It's irrelevant.
September 13, 2015 at 12:09 PM"
No it isn't, consideringall the times you call yourself a retired physician. The question is, are you a COMPETENT retired physician. Since you refuse to explain your medical background, or lack thereof, the only possible conclusion is that you are not and never were a competent physician.
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Dr. Harr,
Could you please add a letter addressed to the current Durham DA to your collection of letters before moving onto another sharlog that includes the following:
1. The Duke Medical Files on Mr. Daye from discovery provided by Ms. Mangum to you for review.
2. The state autopsy report under the signage of Dr. Nichols used to charge and convict Ms. Mangum.
3. The defense autopsy report submitted to Ms. Mangum during the trial.
4. Your in-depth and complete medical analysis of the discrepancies between the three medical record sources listed in 1. through 3. above.
5. A specific request to the current Durham DA to:
a. Have the state medical examiner's system, Dr. Nichols, and Duke investigated for the discrepancies between the state's autopsy report and Duke's medical reports.
b. Have the complications as recorded in Duke's medical reports investigated for negligence and other issues of accidental vs. non-accidental malpractice.
c. Have the cover-up of these issues through previous Durham's DA's investigated and corrected to include dismissing the charges against Ms. Mangum, freeing her from wrongful incarceration as a result of wrongful charges, conviction and appeal court judgements based upon any cover-up issues, including those of the state autopsy report, the prosecutors, the defense lawyers, and the appeal defense lawyers and judges.
This is a letter which must be included to make your current list complete don't you think? ???
Dr. Harr,
You could include a date to hear back by in your letter to the current DA before you either send or begin working on a letter to the current US A.G. asking her to investigate, including investigating why three DA's, (is it three: Ms. Cline, the interim judge, and the current Durham DA?), cannot seem to give the attention it deserves to these issues for the safety of the entire NC public and for Ms. Mangum and Mr. Daye and their families. Is it possible that you do this? It would at least set the issues right at the forefront of all the corruption and discrepancies and cover-ups of the same instead of continuing to rely on others to do so.
Then give Ms. Mangum a copy of your letters after sending each one and have her draft and submit her own letters, (with the help of a lawyer if she has one). Do you agree that this would be a more direct way of getting the issues resolved, or at least in the hands of those who have the power to resolve the issues as soon as possible since Ms. Mangum remains incarcerated through-out this entire corrupted, conflicted, and unequal judicial process? ???
You are an idiot.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid:
If you are going to opine on the medical evidence in Mangum's case your background as a physician is certainly relevant.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Do you know the background of Dr. Christena L. Roberts or Dr. Clay Nichols? Or Dr. Oz?
My medical knowledge gives me insight into what happened, and enables me to explain it to laypeople. Any physician with any amount of training would be able to understand the issues with Daye's death and the falsities in the autopsy report by Dr. Nichols.
Nifong Supporter said...
"My medical knowledge gives me insight into what happened, and enables me to explain it to laypeople."
What medical knowledge. You refuse to exlain your background, specifically why you never completed a residency and never obtained board certification. That implies whatever medical knowledge you might have is far from extensive, not at all extensive enough to enable you to comment on matters surgical or on matters pathologic.
"Any physician with any amount of training would be able to understand the issues with Daye's death and the falsities in the autopsy report by Dr. Nichols."
How many physicians with training and board certification have agreed with your assessment of the autopsy?
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Dr. Harr,
You could include a date to hear back by in your letter to the current DA before you either send or begin working on a letter to the current US A.G. asking her to investigate, including investigating why three DA's, (is it three: Ms. Cline, the interim judge, and the current Durham DA?), cannot seem to give the attention it deserves to these issues for the safety of the entire NC public and for Ms. Mangum and Mr. Daye and their families. Is it possible that you do this? It would at least set the issues right at the forefront of all the corruption and discrepancies and cover-ups of the same instead of continuing to rely on others to do so.
Then give Ms. Mangum a copy of your letters after sending each one and have her draft and submit her own letters, (with the help of a lawyer if she has one). Do you agree that this would be a more direct way of getting the issues resolved, or at least in the hands of those who have the power to resolve the issues as soon as possible since Ms. Mangum remains incarcerated through-out this entire corrupted, conflicted, and unequal judicial process? ???
As you are aware, the issues involving Crystal Mangum are extremely political and represent a situation in which she is being denied justice, given substandard legal representation from State and other organizations, and is trashed in the media... not unlike the treatment of Mike Nifong. Your advice is very sound and would bear fruit in just about any other case, but I believe the hostility towards Mangum is so great that a certain foundation must first be built. Already I have tried to make the Durham D.A.s (Leon Stanback and Roger Echols) aware of the injustice and corruption without success... and I tried to let Judges Orlando Hudson and Paul Ridgeway aware, as well. All are fighting me and/or ignoring me.
As frustrating as this situation obviously is to you, it is equally frustrating to me. No doubt I will eventually get around to implementing your suggestions, but a few more letters are needed at the present time. Thanks again, for your concern for justice. Hopefully, Mangum will get it before too much longer.
Dr. Harr,
I have no doubt that such a letter to the current DA written and sent by both you and Ms. Mangum will at least provide solid proof that he is fully aware of the situation, and therefore provide solid foundation for no excuse for the further incarceration of Ms. Mangum, nor delay assuring that the health and safety of the public will be respected and upheld from a possibly very real and serious threat to both that this case highlights. Even if the next step is the US A.G. if the current Durham DA continues to ignore the issues. I am sure you would agree with this, and certainly the state bar would understand that you pursue this definitive and documented avenue of seeking to obtain justice and freedom from harm in an equal and fair manner for All in NC, not as a legal representative of Ms. Mangum or whatever.
So, WHEN do you plan to write the letter to the current Durham DA and include those listed items? Will you please post the letter and attachments to the blog similar to how you have listed the current letters, i.e.: not in sharlog format? Thank you.
Nifong Supporter said...
"As you are aware, the issues involving Crystal Mangum are extremely political and represent a situation in which she is being denied justice, given substandard legal representation from State and other organizations, and is trashed in the media... not unlike the treatment of Mike Nifong."
That you expect people to believe that shows you are incredibly and viciously deluded and stupid.
Sid -- Re your recent letter to Warden Kenneth Royster:
Access to inmates is arranged through the public affairs office. It is the responsibility of the requesting interviewer to contact the Warden to arrange an interview -- after getting permission from the inmate, of course.
The Warden can refuse to grant access for interviews in the interest of security.
If the request originated from Crystal Mangum, it did not follow the correct process. The process is detailed in the NCDOC Stylebook and Media Guide.
mr. harr, with your medical background orseriouslack thereof, you are incapable of explaining medical matter to any one.
Why do you not explain why you never completed a residency or achieved board certification?
Because you are afraid to.
Hey, mr. harr.
Suppose you applied for privileges at a hospita in NC.
Do you think the Hospitals credentialing committee would consider your lack of residency training, your lack of specialty certification irrelevant?
If you were to testify as an expert medical witness for crystal, do you think the court would consider your lack of residency training, your lack of board certification irrelevant?
Dr. Harr,
How do you know that the media who is requesting an interview with Ms. Mangum won't do to her like you had done to you in your interview with The Indy Week? They could make up their entirely biased story based upon the in-justice system results made public so far, take one little not well thought out statement by Ms. Mangum to 'trash' her further, and then brag on how well Duke and the NC justice system seemed to have turned things around since the lacrosse case. How do you know that they won't? ???
mr. harr, can you explain why, if youi call yourself capable of explaining medical matters to others, your lack of professional education is irrelevant.
mr. harr, if Dr. Nichols had never completed a residency and never achieved board certification, and spent most of his post medical career filing and losing frivolous lawsuits, would have you have considered him a competent physician?
mr. harr, why did you never complete a residency, never achieve board certification?
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mr. harr, why did you never complete a residency, never achieve board certification?
Irrelevant.
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mr. harr, if Dr. Nichols had never completed a residency and never achieved board certification, and spent most of his post medical career filing and losing frivolous lawsuits, would have you have considered him a competent physician?
It would depend on his professional work as a medical examiner. If he submitted autopsy reports full of fabricated findings and unsubstantiated conclusions in conflict with medical records, then I would not consider him a competent physician.
Let me know if further elucidation is required.
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mr. harr, can you explain why, if youi call yourself capable of explaining medical matters to others, your lack of professional education is irrelevant.
Let me try to answer you in the most primitive way possible. Without a medical education, it is very likely that I would not fully comprehend what transpired during Daye's hospitalization... that I might not understand how Dr. Roberts tried to manipulate her report to protect Duke University Hospital... that I might not have recognized the misconduct by Dr. Nichols. However, because of my medical background, regardless of how rudimentary and ineffective you may consider it to be, I was able to recognize the problems with the autopsy report... and am in better position than a non-medical layperson to recognize what transpired during Daye's hospitalization.
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Dr. Harr,
How do you know that the media who is requesting an interview with Ms. Mangum won't do to her like you had done to you in your interview with The Indy Week? They could make up their entirely biased story based upon the in-justice system results made public so far, take one little not well thought out statement by Ms. Mangum to 'trash' her further, and then brag on how well Duke and the NC justice system seemed to have turned things around since the lacrosse case. How do you know that they won't? ???
Thank you for the intelligent question.
I agree with you that it is likely that the media doing any program commemorating the tenth anniversary of the Duke Lacrosse case will try and do a hatchet job on her while holding the Duke Lacrosse defendants on a pedestal. I believe that the media producers of such a project will go forth with or without input from Mangum. However, Mangum's availability for an interview will provide her with the opportunity to tell her side of what has happened to her with regards to Daye's murder and present her innocence and the injustices she has endured. I don't believe that the media is really up to putting out the truth about how the state and media, itself, has abused Ms. Mangum. The mainstream media doesn't really want to hear Mangum's story... otherwise, Joe Neff and/or Martina Zenovich would have contacted me long ago.
HBO backed out of its documentary/re-creation story project about the Duke Lacrosse case when it realized how impossible it would be to portray the Duke Lacrosse defendants in a positive light while maintaining any semblance of the truth. I believe that ESPN might back out of its project, too, if I intervene in trying to get it to cover the injustices against Mangum.
Actually, Mangum does quite well when interviewed. That is why some interviews with Mangum early on in the Duke Lacrosse days by major media news networks were shelved and never broadcast... according to Vincent Clark who accompanied her on many of these interviews.
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Hey, mr. harr.
Suppose you applied for privileges at a hospita in NC.
Do you think the Hospitals credentialing committee would consider your lack of residency training, your lack of specialty certification irrelevant?
If you were to testify as an expert medical witness for crystal, do you think the court would consider your lack of residency training, your lack of board certification irrelevant?
First of all, I would never apply for a license to practice medicine in North Carolina. My days of practicing medicine are over... that's what the "retired" means.
Second, if I were testifying at trial for Mangum, I would want the court and jurors to use their common sense to see if what I said made sense. For example, I can explain Daye's death by recounting the esophageal intubation episode, brain death, and removal from life support. The only thing that Dr. Nichols can say about Daye's death is that it was secondary to a complication of a stab wound to the chest. Which explanation would you be more likely to embrace objectively?
Let me know if further elucidation is required.
Fake Kenhyderal said...
Sid -- Re your recent letter to Warden Kenneth Royster:
Access to inmates is arranged through the public affairs office. It is the responsibility of the requesting interviewer to contact the Warden to arrange an interview -- after getting permission from the inmate, of course.
The Warden can refuse to grant access for interviews in the interest of security.
If the request originated from Crystal Mangum, it did not follow the correct process. The process is detailed in the NCDOC Stylebook and Media Guide.
Fake Kenhyderal, thank you for the link. I will download it and study it. I have no argument with the warden denying an interview for security concerns, but I fail to see how she would present such a problem... she's not Mafia or an Escobar-type Cartel member.
I will hopefully hear from Warden Royster, and having access to the guidebook I will now be able to more effectively communicate with him. Always good to get enlightenment.
Sid:
What is the basis for your statement that "HBO backed out of its documentary/re-creation story project about the Duke Lacrosse case when it realized how impossible it would be to portray the Duke Lacrosse defendants in a positive light while maintaining any semblance of the truth." Or did you just make that up?
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Sid -- You failed to even acknowledge the most important part of my post -- that the request must come from the interviewer through the Public Affairs Office.
If, as you posted, the request came from Mangum, it should be denied. Mangum can't request an interview simply because she wants one.
"HBO backed out of its documentary/re-creation story project about the Duke Lacrosse case when it realized how impossible it would be to portray the Duke Lacrosse defendants in a positive light"
Sid -- HBO never planned to make a documentary. They purchased the rights to several books (the Mike Pressler book, the Don Yeager book, and the Stuart Taylor, K. C. Johnson book, IIRC) to make a movie.
But I agree -- It's hard to get a movie made in which the victims are white male preppy athletes and the villains are radical feminists, leftist-socialist professors,and assorted voices of the black establishment (i.e. , Sharpton and Jackson).
"Blogger Nifong Supporter said...
Anonymous said...
mr. harr, can you explain why, if youi call yourself capable of explaining medical matters to others, your lack of professional education is irrelevant.
Let me try to answer you in the most primitive way possible. Without a medical education, it is very likely that I would not fully comprehend what transpired during Daye's hospitalization.."
Irrelevant answer. Even with your rather limited medical education you can not comprehend wat happened to Reginald Daye.
Nifong Supporter said...
"First of all, I would never apply for a license to practice medicine in North Carolina. My days of practicing medicine are over... that's what the "retired" means."
Does not explain why you retired so early, why you never got accepted into a residency, and why you never achieved board certifiction in nything.
"Second, if I were testifying at trial for Mangum, I would want the court and jurors to use their common sense to see if what I said made sense. For example, I can explain Daye's death by recounting the esophageal intubation episode, brain death, and removal from life support."
And then the prosecuting attorney would ask you about your background and qualifications, you would replay that your background and LACK of qualifications were irrelevant, and the jury would see you do not know what you are talking about-especially when the prosecution could present trained qualified medical expert witnesses to impeach your testimony.
Nifong Supporter said...
"I agree with you that it is likely that the media doing any program commemorating the tenth anniversary of the Duke Lacrosse case will try and do a hatchet job on her while holding the Duke Lacrosse defendants on a pedestal."
Your definition of a "hatchet job" is the media pointing out the truth, that the actual evidence proved beyond all doubt that crystal lied about being raped and that the innocent Lacrosse players were maliciously wrongfully prosecuted.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Actually, Mangum does quite well when interviewed."
I guss that explains why when crystal was hawking her book that she just appeared then rapidly disappeared before anyone could ask her to explain the discrepancies in her story.
mr. harr, please explain why you were never accepted into any residency trining program and never achieved board certification in any specialty.
The most likely explanation is that your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency would accept you.
mr. harr, explain why you were never accepted into a residency and why you never achieved board certification.
mr.harr, explain why you were never accepted into a residency and never achievedboard certification.
mr. harr, you say your medical education renders you capable of explaining medical matters. Do you really think you are as capable of understanding what an autopsy reveals as an individual who did residencies in pathology, achieved board cerification, and who then performed thousands of autopsies? Do you really think you can explain a surgical procedure as well as someone who did a residency in surgery, achieved board certification, and then performed thousands of surgical procedures?
I doubt if even Dr. Nicholls believes his own pronouncement that Daye died from complications of the stab wound. He said this after carelessly failing to take into account the course of events in Duke Hospital and the life threatening acute alcohol withdrawal that took Daye to the ICU, where a medical mishap led to his brain death and to cover up his deficient work stuck to his cursory finding. Dr. Roberts also knows that the autopsy was sloppy and the conclusion probably false but chose not to condemn her colleague or raise the specter of malpractice and cover-up at Duke. After all the only one hurt by this would be the marginalized Crystal Mangum. Dr. Harr need not be the expert testifying to this. The treating surgeons who did the wound repair and those called on to try and rescue Daye after his errant esophageal intubation could, I'm sure, if subpoenaed and put under oath, do so as, most likely, would have Dr. Roberts had she been cross-examined.
Crystal Mangum stabbed Reginald Daye. He died.
Even if Daye's injuries were aggravated or increased by the negligence, mistake, or lack of skill of a physician or surgeon, the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment.
Crystal Mangum IS responsible for Reginald Daye's death.
...But by all means keep making up excuses for your favorite murderess. It does make for entertaining reading.
Kenny,
Your master debating will not help free Crystal.
" kenhyderal said...
I doubt if even Dr. Nicholls believes his own pronouncement that Daye died from complications of the stab wound. He said this after carelessly failing to take into account the course of events in Duke Hospital and the life threatening acute alcohol withdrawal that took Daye to the ICU, where a medical mishap led to his brain death and to cover up his deficient work stuck to his cursory finding. Dr. Roberts also knows that the autopsy was sloppy and the conclusion probably false but chose not to condemn her colleague or raise the specter of malpractice and cover-up at Duke. After all the only one hurt by this would be the marginalized Crystal Mangum. Dr. Harr need not be the expert testifying to this. The treating surgeons who did the wound repair and those called on to try and rescue Daye after his errant esophageal intubation could, I'm sure, if subpoenaed and put under oath, do so as, most likely, would have Dr. Roberts had she been cross-examined.
September 15, 2015 at 2:59 PM"
Another manifestation of kenny's incredible vicious stupidity.
Anonymous said:"the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment"................................................Yes if the negligent or unskilled treatment was for the injury caused by the defendant.
Kenny,
Please stop master debating.
Anonymous 5:28,
Please let Kenny fantasize. He already knows exactly how he (with Sidney's help) will wipe the floor with Nichols, and then make mincemeat of Meier, Petersen and Roberts.
"kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said:"the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment"................................................Yes if the negligent or unskilled treatment was for the injury caused by the defendant.
September 15, 2015 at 4:55 PM"
Here again you manifest not only your incredible vicious stupidity you manifest total ignorance.
Check with lawyers.
If there had been negligence(and you have not even come close to proving it), the legal principle, in a few words is, had she not stabbed him, he would not have been exposed to the risk of negligence.
If he had not engaged in years of alcohol abuse he would not have been exposed to the risk of negligence in the treatment of delirium tremens.
If Duke hadn't committed negligent malpractice in the treatment of Mr. Daye's delirium tremens, the entire in-justice system wouldn't feel the need to cover-up that fact to incarcerate Ms. Mangum for murder by Duke's malpractice.
" kenhyderal said...
If he had not engaged in years of alcohol abuse he would not have been exposed to the risk of negligence in the treatment of delirium tremens.
September 15, 2015 at 8:53 PM"
According to records mr.harr posted, he was not an alcoholic and he was not violent. Therefore you are deluded.
The most abusive thing Sid and Kenny do is continue to tell Crystal, and try and convince her, that Dr Roberts and others are intentionally lying to protect Duke and Dr. Nichols - never mind that duke is often sued, and Dr Roberts is often an expert against Duke and the State. There is zero evidence she doesn't believe what she said - and so she would have destroyed Crystal on the stand, not broken down and admitted to some vast conspiracy.
It's sad how publicly they abuse the poor woman, and take glee in her suffering.
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success."
I see you're in like-minded company, Kenhyderal.
Kenny lied:
"If he had not engaged in years of alcohol abuse he would not have been exposed to the risk of negligence in the treatment of delirium tremens."
Even if what you say about Mr. Daye was true, that's all the more reason not to stab someone. The person you stab may have a condition that could result in unforeseen complications.
You can't go around stabbing people, even if they are alcoholics. If you stab an alcoholic and they die from complications related to the stab wound, you will be in serious trouble and you will likely end up spending a good part of your life in a prison, like Mangum.
Of course, not one iota of evidence has ever been produced indicating that Mr. Daye was an alcoholic, so the speculation about DT's is irrelevant in Mangum's case.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
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