Dr. Harr, Thank you for hosting this forum and allowing even those of us with differing views to post here. I'm wishing you Happy Holidays and a healthy New Year.
Well, Sidney, preaching that innocent men should be concvicted of and imprisoned for a crime which never happened, preaching that the corrupt prosecutor who, for purely selfish motives tried to do that should gey a pass for it, is not exactly preaching peace on earth good will towards men.
Unless and until you start actually following the law and filing the proper pleadings, nothing you do will get Crystal out. You need to stop lying to her. Clearly you have no desire to see her free, you just want to feed your ego and emotionally abuse her.
Thank you Dr. Harr for your labours. The Christmas message is "peace on earth and good will to man". As a Black American and a seeker of justice you know that without Justice there can be no peace. Without goodwill there can be no peace. In your efforts for justice, keep in mind the words of Dr. King "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” Thanks for the photo of my friend and her Family. Give her my love.
"Thank you Dr. Harr for your labours. The Christmas message is "peace on earth and good will to man". As a Black American and a seeker of justice you know that without Justice there can be no peace. Without goodwill there can be no peace. In your efforts for justice, keep in mind the words of Dr. King "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” Thanks for the photo of my friend and her Family. Give her my love."
Again, preaching that innocent me be convicted and imprisoned for a crime which never happened, that the corrupt prosecutor who tried to convict them should get a pass for his actions, that a murderess get a pass for her crime, that is no quest for justice.
Not much goodwill here from Anonymous @4:43 eh. "Proverbs 24: 24/25" (Whoever says to the guilty, “You are innocent,” will be cursed by peoples and denounced by nations. But it will go well with those who convict the guilty, and rich blessing will come on them" Take heart former DA Nifong Take heed Governor Cooper.
"Not much goodwill here from Anonymous @4:43 eh. "Proverbs 24: 24/25" (Whoever says to the guilty, “You are innocent,” will be cursed by peoples and denounced by nations. But it will go well with those who convict the guilty, and rich blessing will come on them" Take heart former DA Nifong Take heed Governor Cooper."
Kind of a hypocritical post from an individual who has been preaching for years for the conviction of innocent men for a crime which never happened.
Same individual also believes Sidney Harr is preaching good will when he advocates that these innocent men are guilty of a heinous crime which never happened.
You and Sidney Harr are also saying to the guilty, 'You are innocent.", in case you haven't noticed
It has been 177 days since the end of June, 245 days since April 23rd, 284 days since the Ides of March, 1,128 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,479 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,352 days.
Stop making predictions about Mangum's release. First off, you aren't good at it. Secondly, it is childish. It doesn't help Mangum, or impress anyone and it makes you appear ridiculous. Finally, you have made so many predictions about Mangum being released and have been wrong about it so many times, that your predictions have no impact or meaning anymore.
Mangum is not going to be released in February 2017. In fact, she is not going to be released in 2017. You will prove me wrong by getting her released, and not by making ludicrous predictions that make you look silly.
You have 6 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 51 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 178 days since the end of June, 246 days since April 23rd, 285 days since the Ides of March, 1,129 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,480 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,351 days.
Abe said: Stop making predictions about Mangum's release. First off, you aren't good at it. Secondly, it is childish. It doesn't help Mangum, or impress anyone and it makes you appear ridiculous. Finally, you have made so many predictions about Mangum being released and have been wrong about it so many times, that your predictions have no impact or meaning anymore.
Mangum is not going to be released in February 2017. In fact, she is not going to be released in 2017. You will prove me wrong by getting her released, and not by making ludicrous predictions that make you look silly.
I agree with Abe. Nothing happened on March 15 or April 23 or any other of the dates we've heard.
Ans, despite his blathering, nothing has been filed that can do anything - again, it's all a game of abuse for Kenny and Sid. Look at all the other cases where people have been released - there are filings, responses, and hearings. Sid has to follow that process - the fact he refuses to do so shows he isn't serious about any of this.
There would be hearings scheduled long before anything could happen with Crystal - and so until there is a hearing scheduled (which would also require a filing and response from the State first), then any claims of anything happening are just lies intended to get Crystal excited so that he can crush her and draw her closer to himself.
Kenny and Sid should be ashamed of themselves - how pathetic are they that they have to keep taking advantage of Crystal?
"...Mr. Nifong conceded he erred in not providing all of Mr. Meehan’s test results to defense lawyers months earlier than he did. 'Obviously, anything that is not DNA from the people who are charged is potentially exculpatory information,' he said."
You once said the evidence was not exculpatory. Your idol Nifong did not think so.
You have 5 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 50 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 179 days since the end of June, 247 days since April 23rd, 286 days since the Ides of March, 1,130 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,481 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,350 days.
Anonymous A Lawyer said... Dr. Harr, Thank you for hosting this forum and allowing even those of us with differing views to post here. I'm wishing you Happy Holidays and a healthy New Year.
Hey, A Lawyer, JSwift, Abe, and gui mon ami,
Thank you for the kind holiday wishes. Had a great time spent pet-sitting two dogs and two rabbits. I wish you all the best in 2017, and after Crystal is released in 2017 I hope to go on a Trump-like victory tour so that I can meet you and so you can meet Crystal. Looking forward to that.
kenhyderal said... Thank you Dr. Harr for your labours. The Christmas message is "peace on earth and good will to man". As a Black American and a seeker of justice you know that without Justice there can be no peace. Without goodwill there can be no peace. In your efforts for justice, keep in mind the words of Dr. King "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” Thanks for the photo of my friend and her Family. Give her my love.
kenhyderal, dear friend,
Thank you for the inspirational Holiday message. I look forward to Crystal's release next year, and one of our first stops will be a visit with you. Wish you the best in 2017, and thank you so much for your support for Crystal and my efforts on behalf of justice for her and others.
Anonymous guiowen said... So we can expect something (some seismic movement) by February 14?
gui, mon ami,
I really expect something to happen long before then... including a new important posting shortly after the New Year. I'm anticipating that things will begin moving quickly this coming year that will make it clear that Mangum will at long last receive justice.
Unless and until you start actually following the law and filing the proper pleadings, nothing you do will get Crystal out. You need to stop lying to her. Clearly you have no desire to see her free, you just want to feed your ego and emotionally abuse her.
Patience. 2017 is the year that justice for Mangum will finally be served. Action is already underway that will lead to her freedom and exoneration.
What has amazed me is the stubbornness of the authorities and media in fighting to keep an innocent person wrongly imprisoned. If they had any decency, Mangum would have easily been freed during 2016.
"I really expect something to happen long before then... including a new important posting shortly after the New Year. I'm anticipating that things will begin moving quickly this coming year that will make it clear that Mangum will at long last receive justice."
How long have you been expecting "something to happen long before" February 14"?
"What has amazed me is the stubbornness of the authorities and media in fighting to keep an innocent person wrongly imprisoned. If they had any decency, Mangum would have easily been freed during 2016."
You forget, if this really what has been happrning (and it has not), that Crystal is a murderess, and she was a convicted criminal before she ever became the victimizer/false accuser in the Duke Rape Hoax.
Speaking of decency, a decent man does not advocate that innocent men be convicted and imprisoned for a crime which never happened, or advocate that killers be given passes for their crimes.
A man of decency does not call it an unfortunate accident when a drug dealer, in the process of chasing down and killing a rival drug dealer whose money he stole, kills an innocent 8 year old boy.
You have 4 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 49 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 180 days since the end of June, 248 days since April 23rd, 287 days since the Ides of March, 1,131 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,482 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,349 days.
Patience. 2017 is the year that justice for Mangum will finally be served. Action is already underway that will lead to her freedom and exoneration.
Dr. Harr: Can you link to one prediction you have made in the history of this blog that has come true?
I can think of a number that didn't: that you would "humiliate" the State Bar; that the state would never take Crystal to trial because they had no case; that, even with a "turncoat lawyer," Crystal would be acquitted; that your lawsuits against Duke would succeed; that Crystal would be freed by 3/15/16, by 4/23/16, by 6/30/16 and by 12/31/16; and so on.
On the other hand, Walt, Abe and I have made a number of predictions that have proven accurate.
He doesn't care if we believe it - we don't matter to him. He just wants Crystal to believe it, so he can continue to emotionally abuse her and isolate her from others, as he's the only one fighting for her. Everyone else lets her down and causes her pain, but Sid is there to keep fighting.
A man of decency does not call it an unfortunate accident when a drug dealer, in the process of chasing down and killing a rival drug dealer whose money he stole, kills an innocent 8 year old boy.
You're getting your drug dealers mixed up. Shan Carter was defending himself when he shot the New York drug dealer. Forensics clearly show that the bullets that struck him entered from the front and from the left angle. When he turned and ran, warning shots fired by Carter were random and had they struck the drug dealer he would have been struck in the back and right considering his flight.
When Shan ran a few steps in the same direction as the drug dealer, he did so for the purpose of preventing the drug dealer from using the side of the grocery building as shelter from which to return fire. All Shan's intention was to force the drug dealer to keep running while he could get in his car and drive away.
Anonymous A Lawyer said... Patience. 2017 is the year that justice for Mangum will finally be served. Action is already underway that will lead to her freedom and exoneration.
Dr. Harr: Can you link to one prediction you have made in the history of this blog that has come true?
I can think of a number that didn't: that you would "humiliate" the State Bar; that the state would never take Crystal to trial because they had no case; that, even with a "turncoat lawyer," Crystal would be acquitted; that your lawsuits against Duke would succeed; that Crystal would be freed by 3/15/16, by 4/23/16, by 6/30/16 and by 12/31/16; and so on.
On the other hand, Walt, Abe and I have made a number of predictions that have proven accurate.
Why should anyone believe your latest?
Your observations are well founded. My mistake in my predictions were predicated upon my apparently naive belief that the authorities would act with principles and integrity and my belief that the courts would rule fairly and without bias. Obviously, that was not the case... proving that the entire legal system is corrupt, racist, and cruel. So, that is why my predictions did not match reality.
"You're getting your drug dealers mixed up. Shan Carter was defending himself when he shot the New York drug dealer."
Wrong. Shan Carter was out on the street dealing drugs. When he first fired at Tyrone Baker, according to his own testimony, he fires at the pavement., with a .357 Magnum, of which he, as a convicted felon, was in illegal possession. Tyrone Baker fled, which he would not have been unable to do, if he had two .357 magnum slugs in his body, one in his lrg and one in his torso. After he fled, Shan Carter pursued him and continued firing at him and brought him down. You are too clinically incompetent to know what killed Tyrone Baker.
"Forensics clearly show that the bullets that struck him entered from the front and from the left angle. When he turned and ran, warning shots fired by Carter were random and had they struck the drug dealer he would have been struck in the back and right considering his flight."
If Tyrone Baker had been hit with two .357 slugs he wouldnot have been able to flee. I sayagain, this prattle you spew out shows only you are clinically incompetent.
"When Shan ran a few steps in the same direction as the drug dealer, he did so for the purpose of preventing the drug dealer from using the side of the grocery building as shelter from which to return fire."
Tyrone Baker was unarmed. No gun was found in his possession. Your sprculation as to why no gun was found does not establish he was armed. Thar he fled after Shan Carter fired at him with his illegally possessed .357 magnum, he fled, which indicated he was unarmed. Had Tyrone Baker been armed he would have returned fire.
"All Shan's intention was to force the drug dealer to keep running while he could get in his car and drive away."
No. Shan Carter's attitude was, if Tyrone Baker tried to back get the money I stole, I'm going to blow him away.
"Your observations are well founded. My mistake in my predictions were predicated upon my apparently naive belief that the authorities would act with principles and integrity and my belief that the courts would rule fairly and without bias. Obviously, that was not the case... proving that the entire legal system is corrupt, racist, and cruel. So, that is why my predictions did not match reality."
No, your mistake happened because you are a delusional megalomaniac who believed he could force his will upon others. Your actions demonstrate you have no idea of how a fair, objective, unbiased court would act. Your constant preaching that Crystal was the "victim/accuser in the duke rape case(she was the victimizer in the Duke Rape Hoax) show you have noo concept of justice.
Which is why you preach that murderers Crystal Mangum and Shan Carter should get passes for killing people.
Like it or not the story of Shan Carter and the murders of Tyrone Baker and Demetrius Greene is part of the public record, and that you choose to disbeklieve it and distort it is meaningless and irrelevant.
proving that the entire legal system is corrupt, racist, and cruel. So, that is why my predictions did not match reality.
But that's all going to change by February 14?
Why do you keep making these preposterous predictions? Why don't you just tell us what you've done and what you plan to do, and let us decide if any of it is going to help Crystal?
"The instant charges stem from events occurring on the afternoon of 16 February 1997. On that afternoon, defendant[Shan Carter] and Temony were riding in defendant's car. They stopped near a crowd of ten to fifteen people gathered in front of a grocery store located at the intersection of 10th and Dawson Streets in Wilmington. A number of residents were out on the neighborhood streets that day. Defendant and Temony exited the car; DEFENDANT BEGAN CONDUCTING DRUG TRANSACTIONS(emphasis added)."
You have 3 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 48 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 181 days since the end of June, 249 days since April 23rd, 288 days since the Ides of March, 1,132 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,483 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,348 days.
You have 3 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 48 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 181 days since the end of June, 249 days since April 23rd, 288 days since the Ides of March, 1,132 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,483 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,348 days.
Abe Froman Chicago, IL
Hey, Abe. I'm glad I'm not a betting man. It's looking like I would have lost... that Crystal would still be incarcerated in 2017. My inability to get her out before the end of the year 2016 really reflects ill on a legal system that is cruel, corrupt, and racist.
However, no way is she going to remain in prison much longer. There is no doubt in my mind that she will be released in 2017.
Anonymous A Lawyer said... proving that the entire legal system is corrupt, racist, and cruel. So, that is why my predictions did not match reality.
But that's all going to change by February 14?
Why do you keep making these preposterous predictions? Why don't you just tell us what you've done and what you plan to do, and let us decide if any of it is going to help Crystal?
Hey, A Lawyer.
The reason I make so-called "predictions" is to give visitors to this site a heads up as to what I believe will be significant events related to Mangum's case... so that they will tend to check the site around that time. With regards to mid-February 2017, I anticipate that movement in the court system will produce a seismic ruling in Mangum's favor. The reason I am not being specific about the current issue is that it, like much in Mangum's case, can be considered to be sensitive. A full accounting will be made after the event as I do not want to take the chance of jeopardizing its success by prematurely discussing it. But you will eventually be enlightened... likely sometime around mid-February.
"There is no doubt in my mind that she will be released in 2017."
I take this as yet another prediction. 2016 isn't even over yet and you have already made two predictions for 2017. Have you learned nothing from my countdown?
Next year isn't going to be any different from this year or last year or the year before that. Mangum is going to spend all of 2017 in prison.
You have yet to file anything that can help, and until you do, and the State is allowed to respond, and there is a hearing set - nothing will happen. Until you have a response date from the State you can just stop with your lies and foolish predictions - we know they are all false and intended to hurt Crystal and bring her closer to you.
Once the Court orders the State to respond, and there is a hearing date - let us know. Until then, you are just an asshole abuser narcissist. You should apply for a job in the Trump administration - you'd fit right in.
"Hey, Abe. I'm glad I'm not a betting man. It's looking like I would have lost... that Crystal would still be incarcerated in 2017. My inability to get her out before the end of the year 2016 really reflects ill on a legal system that is cruel, corrupt, and racist."
The only corrupt racists on this blog are you and Kenhyderal, with your advocacy of the conviction and imprisoned for a crime which never happened simply because the false accuser was white.
"However, no way is she going to remain in prison much longer. There is no doubt in my mind that she will be released in 2017."
there should be.
There is no doubt in a lot of minds that you will fail again and again and again, righy up to Crystal's finishing her term.
The reason I make so-called "predictions" is to give visitors to this site a heads up as to what I believe will be significant events related to Mangum's case... so that they will tend to check the site around that time."
No, you make your predictions because you are a pompous delusional megalomaniac who likes to hear himself pontificate.
"With regards to mid-February 2017, I anticipate that movement in the court system will produce a seismic ruling in Mangum's favor."
How many times since Crystal's conviction and imprisonment have you made that promise and then failed to deliver?
"The reason I am not being specific about the current issue is that it, like much in Mangum's case, can be considered to be sensitive. A full accounting will be made after the event as I do not want to take the chance of jeopardizing its success by prematurely discussing it."
Wrong again. You have repeatedly shown you can not bring about any seismic events.
"But you will eventually be enlightened... likely sometime around mid-February."
And how many times have you promised enlightenment and then failed to deliver? TNTC(which abbreviation you should comprehend if you were clinically competent.
"Your powers of observation and logic do not fail you."
Although geared toward more toward women attracted to men behind bars, I strongly suggest you read "Women Who Love Men Who Kill".
In it, author Sheila Isenberg identifies the real crux of these relationships is that the people in them with these inmates are damaged -- sexually, psychologically, emotionally.
Psychobabble! Stop practicing amateur psychiatry. I introduced Dr. Harr to Crystal in 2010. After that she became a member of Justice4nifong. They have been friends for years. The bottom line is Crystal Mangum is no murderer. She is a victim of the corrupt racist NC Justice System and Dr. Harr is a dedicated advocate for those victimized by it. He is not fascinated by killers. He is a long-time seeker of Justice and Crystal's treatment cries out for Justice
C'mon Kenny -- you have to admit that photo of Sid and Crystal looks a bit more than "friendly".....
Now, if I had stated that Sid is apparently suffering from Hybristophilia (in which sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed a crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery), then you could claim that I was practicing amateur psychiatry.
As it stands, I just recommended a book.
By the way, where's your photo with Crystal for comparison?
"Psychobabble! Stop practicing amateur psychiatry. I introduced Dr. Harr to Crystal in 2010. After that she became a member of Justice4nifong. They have been friends for years. The bottom line is Crystal Mangum is no murderer. She is a victim of the corrupt racist NC Justice System and Dr. Harr is a dedicated advocate for those victimized by it. He is not fascinated by killers. He is a long-time seeker of Justice and Crystal's treatment cries out for Justice>
Again Kenhyderal documents he does not comprehend what is the truth. The NC Justice system is not racist just because it did not give a murderess a pass for her crimes. Crystal is a murderess. Sidney Harr, who advocates that innocent men be convicted and imprisoned for a crime which never happened, who calls the corrupt DA who persecuted them a decent, honorable minister of justice, and who calls it an unfortunate accident when a drug dealer kills an innocent 8 year old boy while chasing down and killing a rival drug dealere, after stealing money from that dealer, is no advocate for justice.
You have 2 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 47 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 182 days since the end of June, 250 days since April 23rd, 289 days since the Ides of March, 1,133 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,484 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,347 days.
http://www.care2.com/causes/north-carolina-is-no-longer-a-democracy-according-to-political-scientist.html I hope North Carolinians of all political persuasions find this situation intolerable and join together to bring about true justice and democracy, top to bottom, for their citizens especially their black citizens
"http://www.care2.com/causes/north-carolina-is-no-longer-a-democracy-according-to-political-scientist.html I hope North Carolinians of all political persuasions find this situation intolerable and join together to bring about true justice and democracy, top to bottom, for their citizens especially their black citizens".
The issue you continue to dodge is, when os it true justice that innocent men be convicted and imprisoned for a crime which never happpened just because the false accuser was a black peraon.
I remind you yet again you have presented zero evidence that the crime ever took place.
Your racist resentment of Caucasian men wh ar more accomplished and better off than you are does not add up to evidence of any crime.
No matter what a "political scientist" who is upset about the election results might write or say, Mangum still lied about being raped and she is still guilty of murder. For that, justice demands that she remain in prison for all of 2017, 2018, 2019, 2010, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025 and part of 2026. Justice will be served. There is nothing you or Sid can do to thwart, subvert or interfere with justice being finally brought to bear on Mangum. Hopefully she learns something from it and returns to society a changed person.
A great man once observed that the arc of the moral universe is long, but it always bends towards justice. Remember that as you continue to watch the arc of the moral universe bend farther and farther away from you and towards justice.
Abe said: " Mangum still lied about being raped and she is still guilty of murder".......The former unproved, the latter a case of wrongful conviction. Her treatment is indicative of the kind of justice or lack thereof prevalent in North Carolina.
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"Abe said: " Mangum still lied about being raped and she is still guilty of murder".......The former unproved, the latter a case of wrongful conviction. Her treatment is indicative of the kind of justice or lack thereof prevalent in North Carolina."
The former has been proven. However whether or not Crystal lied is irrelevant. For anyone to be found guiltty of raping Crystal, it had o be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Crystal told the truth. Kenhyderal has provided zero evidence that Crystal told the truth.
The latter was a just conviction. Kenny rouses because his favorite murderess did nt get a pass for her crime.
Kenhyderal yet again shows he is not capable of recognizing truth.
Actually, Kenny, the State proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Mangum is a murderer. The conviction was upheld on appeal.
It has also been proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that Mangum lied about being raped. An objective review of the evidence led every partial observer to conclude that Mangum wasn't raped and she is universally referred to as the false accuser in what is now widely known as the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax. The evidence that Mangum lied was so overwhelming that the State not only had to drop the charges, they had to take the extraordinary step of declaring the defendants innocent, and the defendants were awarded millions of dollars each.
Observe how the arc of the moral universe has gradually bent since Mangum's false accusations. The people who were on the right side of justice were eventually exonerated and compensated and have gone on to lead productive lives. Those, like Mangum, Nifong and others, who on the wrong side of justice have met with failure, disgrace, financial ruination, loss of their professions and reputations, prison and even death. Take due notice and govern yourself accordingly.
Today is your last day to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 46 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 183 days since the end of June, 251 days since April 23rd, 290 days since the Ides of March, 1,134 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,485 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,346 days.
Every prediction you made last year failed to come to fruition and every deadline you set came and went with nothing happening. Yet, before the year had ended, you promised that Mangum would be released and exonerated in 2017 and you predicted a seismic ruling in her favor by February 14, 2017. So, here we go again.
You have 365 to free and exonerate Mangum in 2017. There are 45 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 1 day since the end of 2016, 184 days since the end of June 2016, 252 days since April 23, 2016, 291 days since the Ides of March 2016, 1,135 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,486 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,345 days.
Abe said: " An objective review of the evidence led every partial observer to conclude that Mangum wasn't raped and she is universally referred to as the false accuser in what is now widely known as the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax. The evidence that Mangum lied was so overwhelming that the State not only had to drop the charges, they had to take the extraordinary step of declaring the defendants innocent, and the defendants were awarded millions of dollars each".......................If the review was so objective why has it's findings not been made public? A gullible public has been convinced by the Duke Lacrosse Defence and their proxies that Crystal was not credible and that her accusations were false. However anyone who actually knows Crystal personally and not from what has been so widely and falsely disseminated about her believe she was the victim. Cooper went through the motions of conducting an investigation but he was under so much pressure that he threw in the towel and took the unprecedented step of not just dropping the charge but of declaring the accused of being innocent. By the way the award received by the 3 charged once they were declared innocent was not paid by North Carolina but by Duke's Insurance Company.
"If the review was so objective why has it's findings not been made public?"
It has been made public. Read Until Proven Innocent,It's not About the Truth, Tush to Injustice, and watch the ESPN Documentary, Fantastic Lies. That Roy Cooper did not release the discovery file ti William Cohan does not mean the file is sealed.
A gullible public has been convinced by the Duke Lacrosse Defence and their proxies that Crystal was not credible and that her accusations were false."
No, the public was convinced by Crystal herself that Crystal was not reliable, via her different, contradicting versions of her story, by her failure to identify reliably any mrmnber of the Lacrosse r\team as an assailant, and by the total lack of evidence that she was raped. You speculate about why her stories were contradicting, ewhy her identificayions were unreliable and why there was no evidence. Speculation does not establsh a crime took place.
"However anyone who actually knows Crystal personally and not from what has been so widely and falsely disseminated about her believe she was the victim."
Irrelevant statement as no one ever disseminated false information about Crystal except you, Sidney, DA Nifong and William Cohan, that false information being that Crystal was raped.
"Cooper went through the motions of conducting an investigation but he was under so much pressure that he threw in the towel and took the unprecedented step of not just dropping the charge but of declaring the accused of being innocent."
The only pressure exerted on AG Cooper was applied by racist Black media to fforcr him to declare the obviously innocent men guilty.
"By the way the award received by the 3 charged once they were declared innocent was not paid by North Carolina but by Duke's Insurance Company."
Not according to Sidney, who claimed that Duke settled with the innocent men because the innocent mens' counsel assured Duke their insurance carrier would pay.They did not. Duke would not have paid anything unless they knew they would losse badly if the case went to court.
The Lacrosse players were innocent because AG Cooper declared them innocent but because the crime of which they were accused had never happened. I repeat you have presented Zero evidence that the crime happened. You present only baseless speculation why the evidence was never there. Again, that kind of speculation does not establish evidence was there. And, in the real world, if evidence of a crime is there, it does not disappear unless someone makesit disappear. Considering the timeline of the events, none of the defendants had any opportunity to make any evidence disappear. The only individual who tried to make evidence disappear was DA Nifong, and he tried to make exculpatory evidence disappear.
You again show you are incredibly stupid and totally incapable of comprehending the truth.
The Lacrosse players were NOT innocent because AG Cooper declared them innocent but because the crime of which they were accused had never happened. I repeat you have presented Zero evidence that the crime happened. You present only baseless speculation why the evidence was never there. Again, that kind of speculation does not establish evidence was there. And, in the real world, if evidence of a crime is there, it does not disappear unless someone makesit disappear. Considering the timeline of the events, none of the defendants had any opportunity to make any evidence disappear. The only individual who tried to make evidence disappear was DA Nifong, and he tried to make exculpatory evidence disappear.
It's a summary of exculpatory facts and conclusions based thereon. The investigative files remain sealed and there was no mention of any inculpatory evidence eg. Evidence of Crystal's sober arrival and sudden impairment, DNA extracted from sperm not explained by Crystal's consensual sexual history, the Seligman alibi, the sudden and precipitous end to the party and fleeing of the attendees, the likelihood the white fluid found was semen and not some undiagnosed infection, the statistical evidence regarding Evans and Crystal's fingernail, etc ,etc
Kenny, The reason there's no mention of inculpatory evidence is that there is no such evidence. Crystal did not arrive sober and suddenly become impaired. There was no effort to look at Crystal's consensual history. Amazingly, Seligmann had an alibi! You don't understand statistics, as we saw some months ago, etc., etc.
The only inculpatory evidence was the word of Mangum, which continually changed, and the report of an extremely inexperienced SANE nurse who did not know that Mangum was a prostitute (or escort, if you prefer that term; the terms are synonymous) who had engaged in sexual intercourse with multiple men (w/o bathing - yech) in the hours before her examination.
The only records/documents from the Duke rape hoax that are sealed are Mangum's medical records. She can release them any time she wants. She isn't going to because they show her history of mental illness (which is why AG Cooper decided not to charge her with a crime in connection with her false complaint).
""there was no mention of any inculpatory evidence eg. Evidence of Crystal's sober arrival and sudden impairment, DNA extracted from sperm not explained by Crystal's consensual sexual history"
The DNA evidence to which you refer was unknown to the public because DA Nifong deliberately concealed it from the public rather than trace it back to the men who had left it. The presence of the DNA became public knowledge AFTER the Defendants' counsel forced Brian Meehan to admit that he had submitted the evidence to Nifong and that he and Nifong agreed not to report it to any of the individuals who had been subjected to the NTO. The evidence was exculpatory evidence, not inculpatory of anything, except in your deluded mind which is incapable of recognizing truth.
Abe your disgusting baseless characterization of Crystal at 5:46 should, by rights, trigger Blog host Dr. Harr to wipe such filth off the thread. If you weren't so cowardly you would post under your real name. But then there might be consequences
"Abe your disgusting baseless characterization of Crystal at 5:46 should, by rights, trigger Blog host Dr. Harr to wipe such filth off the thread. If you weren't so cowardly you would post under your real name. But then there might be consequences"
Kenhyderal again shows he hates yo comprehend the truth.
You make an issue of the male DNA found on Crystal.
You do not make an issue of this:
No one was aware of that DNA evidence until December of 2006, months after that evidence was found, months after the alleged crime allegedly happened. The world became aware of that evidence when the defense attorneys, specifically Brad Bannon, cross examined Brian Meehan and Meehan then admitted the existence of the evidence.
Up until then the only people who were aware of the evidence were Meehan and DA Nifong.
So why did Nifong hold on to that evidence rather than reveal it? Why did Nifong do nothing to identify the men who left their DNA on Crystal?
There are 44 days until February 14th. You have 364 to exonerate and free Mangum in 2017.
It has been 2 day since the end of 2016, 185 days since the end of June 2016, 253 days since April 23, 2016, 292 days since the Ides of March 2016, 1,136 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,487 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,344 days.
Please address this issue which you have brrn dodging and ducking.
If the DNA evidence recovered from Crystal's rape kit was inculpatory, why did DA Nifong conceal it, and he did conceal it, until the existence of the evidence was revealed by the Defense Counsel.
"It is unclear when a prosecutor needs to produce exculpatory material under the federal constitution. In deciding whether or not a defendant is entitled to a dismissal or other remedy, many courts have found no violation of federal constitutional rights when the material was produced at trial, on the theory that the defendant was not ultimately prejudiced by the timing of the disclosure" Joseph E. Kennedy Professor of law at the University of North Carolina School of Law
"Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963) was a landmark United States Supreme Court case that established that the prosecution must turn over all evidence that might exonerate the defendant (exculpatory evidence) to the defense".
that takes precedence over the opinion of any law professor.
Quoting Joseph E. Kennedy Professor of law at the University of North Carolina School of Law:
"many courts have found no violation of federal constitutional rights when the material was produced at trial, on the theory that the defendant was not ultimately prejudiced by the timing of the disclosure".
Totally irrelevant.
Nifong had no intention of ever disclosing that evidence. The evidence wasdisclosed because the Defense attorneys forced Brian Meehan to disclose it.
Guiowen said: "You still haven't explained why Nifong et al didn't try to locate the men responsible for the DNA found on Crystal"..................... Because he thought he had sufficient evidence to proceed on sexual assault and kidnapping for the 3 without DNA. That, in retrospect was a mistake, that played into the strategy of the Duke Lacrosse "Dream Team"
Kenny really can't do anything other than whine can he? He can't point to a single thing he's done to help Crystal - he won't contact people, he won't do anything (but say he "knows" they are reading this and should respond). You really are more pathetic than we thought.
"It was turned over October 27th with the trial still months away and did not violate the Brady Rule."
Wrong, yet again.
Nifog turned over thousands of pages of raw data, not a report of what was found. There is another consideration, North Carolina law regarding Non Testimonial Orders. Te DA's office was obligated by law to turn over the report of te results, including the finding of DNA which did not match the DNA of the subjects of the order.
No matter how you try to spin it, Kenny,Nifong was in violation not only of Federal lawbut also state law.
And you still have to explain why Nifong tried to identify the men who left their DNA on Crystal.
"Guiowen said: "You still haven't explained why Nifong et al didn't try to locate the men responsible for the DNA found on Crystal"..................... Because he thought he had sufficient evidence to proceed on sexual assault and kidnapping for the 3 without DNA. That, in retrospect was a mistake, that played into the strategy of the Duke Lacrosse 'Dream Team'".
Irrelevant and non responsive, elusive answer.
DA Nifong had the Lacrosse players indicted for first degree rape as well for sexual assault and kidnapping. Nifong concealed the evidence because ihe knew tat the DNA evidence was exculpatory, not inculpatory.
You again show you are incredibly stupid and incapable of recognizing the truth.
And how did Nifong's concealment of evidence which exonerated the accused would have aided the defense.
Explain why Nifong did not turn over the report of what DNA Security found on the rape kit. If he had intended to make the defense aware of the DNA evidence, he would have turned over the report, by May of 2006 when it was available, not in October of 2006.
After the results came back from the State Crime Lab, no evidence of blood, semen or saliva, no evidence of DNA from any member of the Lacrosse team, Nifong made he statement he would prosecute for rape the old fashioned way, relying on the testimony of the victim and the medial findings.
Where did you get your delusional BS that Nifong intended to convict them of only sexual assault and kidnapping?
Kenhyderal, Maybe he thought he could convict on what little evidence he had. He knew, however, that the three indicted players were not responsible for the DNA. Thus he hoped to convict three innocent men while letting the guilty persons go free. Do you actually believe that?
SIDNEY B. HARR, Plaintiff - Appellant, v. RICHARD H. BRODHEAD, President; DUKE UNIVERSITY, c/o Pamela J. Bernard, General Counsel; ASSOCIATED PRESS; DAVID F. LEVI, Dean, Defendants - Appellees. No. 16-1846 Decided: December 22, 2016 Before GREGORY, Chief Judge, and WYNN and FLOYD, Circuit Judges.Sidney B. Harr, Appellant Pro Se.
Sidney B. Harr appeals the district court's order dismissing on res judicata grounds his civil action against Defendants, and imposing a prefiling injunction against and sanctions on Harr. We have reviewed the record and found no reversible error. Accordingly, we affirm for the reasons stated by the district court. See Harr v. Brodhead, No. 1:16-cv-00304-CCE-JLW (M.D.N.C. June 30, 2016). We dispense with oral argument because the facts and legal contentions are adequately presented in the materials before this court and argument would not aid the decisional process.
There are 43 days until February 14th. You have 363 to exonerate and free Mangum in 2017.
It has been 3 day since the end of 2016, 186 days since the end of June 2016, 254 days since April 23, 2016, 293 days since the Ides of March 2016, 1,137 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,488 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,343 days.
Nifong did not willingly turn over Brian Meehan's raw data to the Defendants. He was compelled to do so by a court order.
In the hearing in December of 2006, Nifong put Brian Meehan on the stand as a surprise witness, never expecting the defense to be prepared for him. Unfortunately for corrupt DA Nifong, defense counsel was prepared for him, and compelled him to admit that he and Nifong agreed not to report the DNA evidence to the defense.
So wake up and admit, your law professor quote, like so many of your posts, is irrelevant. Corrupt DA Nifong had no intention of disclosing that exculpatory, I say again, exculpatory, evidence to the defense.
So how do you get that the evidence was inculpatory of anything.
And if you still maintain the evidence was inculpatory, you still refuse to explain why Nifong never sought to identify the men it implicated.
Interesting, Sid did not favor us with the 4th Circuit's ruling in the Freeman case. But, I will.
PER CURIAM: Sidney B. Harr appeals the district court’s order granting N. Lorrin Freeman’s motion to dismiss Harr’s civil rights claims against Freeman. We have reviewed the record and find no reversible error. Accordingly, we affirm the district court’s judgment. See Harr v. Freeman, No. 5:16-cv-00199-FL (E.D.N.C. Aug. 16, 2016). We dispense with oral argument because the facts and legal contentions are adequately presented in the materials before this court and argument would not aid the decisional process.
Looks like Sid lost again. Duke blue crying towel for you this time Sid. I like to keep things equal.
Two more petitions for the Supreme Court to deny soon ... cause we know Sid is gonna try and appeal these denials. He's gotta keep up the lies and the games for Crystal as long as he possibly can.
I believe something like this was once posted on J4N: Insanity is taking the same ineffective action over and over again and expecting some result other than failure.
Anonymous said: "So how do you get that the evidence was inculpatory of anything. And if you still maintain the evidence was inculpatory, you still refuse to explain why Nifong never sought to identify the men it implicated"..................I outlined on Jan 1 @ 3:01 several areas of investigation, the findings of, which could have given credibility to Crystal's accusation. Surely Jim Coman and Mary Winstead, in their so called, thorough investigation, would have probed these areas. The report they gave Cooper made no mention of what they found about these matters. Anything they did discover in these areas should be in their investigative notes that are sealed. However, any areas that suggest the crime did not happen were all dutifully listed in the public report but none of the evidence suggesting it did happen was presented. If the investigation was so complete not only DA Nifong but AG Cooper should have sought the source of the DNA recovered.
"I outlined on Jan 1 @ 3:01 several areas of investigation, the findings of, which could have given credibility to Crystal's accusation."
No you didn't. You did nothing more than speculate. Speculation does not establish anything
"Surely Jim Coman and Mary Winstead, in their so called, thorough investigation, would have probed these areas."
Wrong! If you had read the AG's report you would have read that his investigators, Jim Coman and Mary Wibstead, found nothing, advised AG Cooper that no crime had happened and that the accused were innocent.
"The report they gave Cooper made no mention of what they found about these matters. Anything they did discover in these areas should be in their investigative notes that are sealed."
Wrong again. The report was that they believed the accused were innocent.
"However, any areas that suggest the crime did not happen were all dutifully listed in the public report but none of the evidence suggesting it did happen was presented."
Wrong yet again. There was no evidence to present that the crime ever happened. What the AG said in his press conference in April was, there was no evidence, no witnesses, absolutely nothing to corroborate Crystal's story. Your wishful thinking and your speculation do not add up to evidence. Again, you have provided zero evidence of anything.
"If the investigation was so complete not only DA Nifong but AG Cooper should have sought the source of the DNA recovered."
You are again trying to duck the issue, why did Nifong, who developed the evidence and had custody of it conceal the evidence. You say a complete list of party attendees was never compiled. According to you, some entity named Kilgo told you that a Lacrosse player told him that there were non Lacrosse party attendees and that he, the Lacrosse player, had witnessed them raping Crystal. Then you claimed kilgo posted that on J4N. Then you said, kilgo disappeared from J4N and deleted all his posts. So you can not document that kilgo or anyone told you that. So, most likely you fabricated that claim.
The investigation showed that there were no unidentified party attendees and the DNA found on Crystal DID NOT match the DNA of any party attendee. The most likely explanation why the sources of rhe DNA were never identified was, Nifong himself did not believe there had been a rape, if he had identified the sources of the DNA he would have had proven the DNA had been deposited before the party and that no rape had happened, and his wrongful prosecution would have been exposed much earlier than it was.
"It's a summary of exculpatory facts and conclusions based thereon. The investigative files remain sealed and there was no mention of any inculpatory evidence eg. Evidence of Crystal's sober arrival and sudden impairment,"
The evidence was, Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party and left the party still impaired.
"DNA extracted from sperm not explained by Crystal's consensual sexual history,"
All party attendees were identified(I say again your fabricated claim regar=rding what Kilgo told you is not evidence there were unidentified party attendees). The DNA found on Crystal could not have been deposited after the party and WAS NOT deposited atthe party and could have only been deposited before the party.
"the Seligman alibi,"
You seem to be focusing on Cohan's saying Nifong believed Reade Seligman's alibi was contrived. Reade Seligman presented evidence that his alibi was solid(I remind you you have presented zero evidence to support your claims-speculation is not evidence). I ask again, if Nifong believed his alibi was contrived, then why did he not want Reade Seligman to present it in court, where it could have been discredited? And why did Nifong go after Moez Elmostafa, who made a statement supporting Reade Seligman's alibi, and try to intimidate him into retracting his statement?
"the sudden and precipitous end to the party and fleeing of the attendees,"
Did not happen the way you describe.
"the likelihood the white fluid found was semen and not some undiagnosed infection,"
What was not definitively determined was that the fluid was semen. A wet mount, a simple test which would have definitively ruled in or ruled out if it was semen should have been done in the ER. Presuming it was Semen without a wet mount would have been totally inappropriate. It was not and you have once said that a wet mount would have been CYA Medicine. The failure to detect Alkaline Phosphatase on the rape kit does definitively rule out it was semen. Your speculation as to how it could have been semen does not establish it was.
"the statistical evidence regarding Evans and Crystal's fingernail, etc ,etc"
Explain how the finding of DNA on Crystal's false fingernail, consistent with but not definitively matching David Evans' DNA is evidence of a rape but the failure to find DNA definitively matching David Evans' DNA on Crystal's person did not definitively rule him out as a suspect. I remind you that the rape which Crystal described was a rape in which her assailants did leave their DNA.
At 3:01 PM you again presented zero evidence Crystal had been raped.
So again I ask, what kind of perverse gratification do you get from believing Crystal had been raped.
I'm a senior citizen who believes that the state of North Carolina has harshly, excessively, and unjustly treated former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong.
118 comments:
Merry Christmas!
John D. Smith
New York, NY
Dr. Harr,
Thank you for hosting this forum and allowing even those of us with differing views to post here. I'm wishing you Happy Holidays and a healthy New Year.
Merry Christmas, Sid, and Happy New Year, too.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Merry Christmas, Sid, and Happy New Year!
Well, Sidney, preaching that innocent men should be concvicted of and imprisoned for a crime which never happened, preaching that the corrupt prosecutor who, for purely selfish motives tried to do that should gey a pass for it, is not exactly preaching peace on earth good will towards men.
Sid,
Unless and until you start actually following the law and filing the proper pleadings, nothing you do will get Crystal out. You need to stop lying to her. Clearly you have no desire to see her free, you just want to feed your ego and emotionally abuse her.
So we can expect something (some seismic movement) by February 14?
Thank you Dr. Harr for your labours. The Christmas message is "peace on earth and good will to man". As a Black American and a seeker of justice you know that without Justice there can be no peace. Without goodwill there can be no peace. In your efforts for justice, keep in mind the words of Dr. King "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” Thanks for the photo of my friend and her Family. Give her my love.
Kenhyderal:
"Thank you Dr. Harr for your labours. The Christmas message is "peace on earth and good will to man". As a Black American and a seeker of justice you know that without Justice there can be no peace. Without goodwill there can be no peace. In your efforts for justice, keep in mind the words of Dr. King "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” Thanks for the photo of my friend and her Family. Give her my love."
Again, preaching that innocent me be convicted and imprisoned for a crime which never happened, that the corrupt prosecutor who tried to convict them should get a pass for his actions, that a murderess get a pass for her crime, that is no quest for justice.
You again document you can not comprehend truth.
Not much goodwill here from Anonymous @4:43 eh. "Proverbs 24: 24/25" (Whoever says to the guilty, “You are innocent,” will be cursed by peoples and denounced by nations. But it will go well with those who convict the guilty, and rich blessing will come on them" Take heart former DA Nifong Take heed Governor Cooper.
Krnhyderal:
"Not much goodwill here from Anonymous @4:43 eh. "Proverbs 24: 24/25" (Whoever says to the guilty, “You are innocent,” will be cursed by peoples and denounced by nations. But it will go well with those who convict the guilty, and rich blessing will come on them" Take heart former DA Nifong Take heed Governor Cooper."
Kind of a hypocritical post from an individual who has been preaching for years for the conviction of innocent men for a crime which never happened.
Same individual also believes Sidney Harr is preaching good will when he advocates that these innocent men are guilty of a heinous crime which never happened.
You and Sidney Harr are also saying to the guilty, 'You are innocent.", in case you haven't noticed
Sheep and Goats scenatio:
AG Cooper:
Well done good and faithful servant. When stood falsely accused, you stood against the wrath of the false accusers and saved me from them.
DA Nifong: Depatrt from me te accursed, for when I stood falsely accused, you tried to turn me over to them for your selfish personal reasons.
Sid:
You have 7 days to exonerate and free Mangum.
It has been 177 days since the end of June, 245 days since April 23rd, 284 days since the Ides of March, 1,128 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,479 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,352 days.
Stop making predictions about Mangum's release. First off, you aren't good at it. Secondly, it is childish. It doesn't help Mangum, or impress anyone and it makes you appear ridiculous. Finally, you have made so many predictions about Mangum being released and have been wrong about it so many times, that your predictions have no impact or meaning anymore.
Mangum is not going to be released in February 2017. In fact, she is not going to be released in 2017. You will prove me wrong by getting her released, and not by making ludicrous predictions that make you look silly.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Sid:
You have 6 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 51 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 178 days since the end of June, 246 days since April 23rd, 285 days since the Ides of March, 1,129 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,480 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,351 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe said: Stop making predictions about Mangum's release. First off, you aren't good at it. Secondly, it is childish. It doesn't help Mangum, or impress anyone and it makes you appear ridiculous. Finally, you have made so many predictions about Mangum being released and have been wrong about it so many times, that your predictions have no impact or meaning anymore.
Mangum is not going to be released in February 2017. In fact, she is not going to be released in 2017. You will prove me wrong by getting her released, and not by making ludicrous predictions that make you look silly.
I agree with Abe. Nothing happened on March 15 or April 23 or any other of the dates we've heard.
Ans, despite his blathering, nothing has been filed that can do anything - again, it's all a game of abuse for Kenny and Sid. Look at all the other cases where people have been released - there are filings, responses, and hearings. Sid has to follow that process - the fact he refuses to do so shows he isn't serious about any of this.
There would be hearings scheduled long before anything could happen with Crystal - and so until there is a hearing scheduled (which would also require a filing and response from the State first), then any claims of anything happening are just lies intended to get Crystal excited so that he can crush her and draw her closer to himself.
Kenny and Sid should be ashamed of themselves - how pathetic are they that they have to keep taking advantage of Crystal?
Who's that in the picture with you, Sid?
Sidney Harr:
Something I happened to find:
"http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/24/us/24duke.html:
"...Mr. Nifong conceded he erred in not providing all of Mr. Meehan’s test results to defense lawyers months earlier than he did. 'Obviously, anything that is not DNA from the people who are charged is potentially exculpatory information,' he said."
You once said the evidence was not exculpatory. Your idol Nifong did not think so.
Sid:
You have 5 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 50 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 179 days since the end of June, 247 days since April 23rd, 286 days since the Ides of March, 1,130 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,481 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,350 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Anonymous A Lawyer said...
Dr. Harr,
Thank you for hosting this forum and allowing even those of us with differing views to post here. I'm wishing you Happy Holidays and a healthy New Year.
Hey, A Lawyer, JSwift, Abe, and gui mon ami,
Thank you for the kind holiday wishes. Had a great time spent pet-sitting two dogs and two rabbits. I wish you all the best in 2017, and after Crystal is released in 2017 I hope to go on a Trump-like victory tour so that I can meet you and so you can meet Crystal. Looking forward to that.
kenhyderal said...
Thank you Dr. Harr for your labours. The Christmas message is "peace on earth and good will to man". As a Black American and a seeker of justice you know that without Justice there can be no peace. Without goodwill there can be no peace. In your efforts for justice, keep in mind the words of Dr. King "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” Thanks for the photo of my friend and her Family. Give her my love.
kenhyderal, dear friend,
Thank you for the inspirational Holiday message. I look forward to Crystal's release next year, and one of our first stops will be a visit with you.
Wish you the best in 2017, and thank you so much for your support for Crystal and my efforts on behalf of justice for her and others.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Who's that in the picture with you, Sid?
That's Crystal Mangum. The photo was taken in the prison during visitation earlier in November 2016.
Anonymous guiowen said...
So we can expect something (some seismic movement) by February 14?
gui, mon ami,
I really expect something to happen long before then... including a new important posting shortly after the New Year. I'm anticipating that things will begin moving quickly this coming year that will make it clear that Mangum will at long last receive justice.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid,
Unless and until you start actually following the law and filing the proper pleadings, nothing you do will get Crystal out. You need to stop lying to her. Clearly you have no desire to see her free, you just want to feed your ego and emotionally abuse her.
Patience. 2017 is the year that justice for Mangum will finally be served. Action is already underway that will lead to her freedom and exoneration.
What has amazed me is the stubbornness of the authorities and media in fighting to keep an innocent person wrongly imprisoned. If they had any decency, Mangum would have easily been freed during 2016.
Sidney Harr:
"I really expect something to happen long before then... including a new important posting shortly after the New Year. I'm anticipating that things will begin moving quickly this coming year that will make it clear that Mangum will at long last receive justice."
How long have you been expecting "something to happen long before" February 14"?
Has it happened? No.
Sidney Harr:
"What has amazed me is the stubbornness of the authorities and media in fighting to keep an innocent person wrongly imprisoned. If they had any decency, Mangum would have easily been freed during 2016."
You forget, if this really what has been happrning (and it has not), that Crystal is a murderess, and she was a convicted criminal before she ever became the victimizer/false accuser in the Duke Rape Hoax.
Speaking of decency, a decent man does not advocate that innocent men be convicted and imprisoned for a crime which never happened, or advocate that killers be given passes for their crimes.
Sidney Harr:
A man of decency does not call it an unfortunate accident when a drug dealer, in the process of chasing down and killing a rival drug dealer whose money he stole, kills an innocent 8 year old boy.
2 observations:
1) Crystal Mangum looks different in every photo she takes.
2) That picture of you two looks a bit "personal", if you know what I mean.
You wouldn't be taking a picture like this with Mike Nifong is what I'm saying.
Sid said:
"2017 is the year that justice for Mangum will finally be served."
Justice will be served for Mangum in 2017. It will continue to be served in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025 and part of 2026.
She does look well, though. Hopefully that means she is getting her life straightened out and getting the help she needs.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Sid:
You have 4 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 49 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 180 days since the end of June, 248 days since April 23rd, 287 days since the Ides of March, 1,131 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,482 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,349 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Patience. 2017 is the year that justice for Mangum will finally be served. Action is already underway that will lead to her freedom and exoneration.
Dr. Harr:
Can you link to one prediction you have made in the history of this blog that has come true?
I can think of a number that didn't: that you would "humiliate" the State Bar; that the state would never take Crystal to trial because they had no case; that, even with a "turncoat lawyer," Crystal would be acquitted; that your lawsuits against Duke would succeed; that Crystal would be freed by 3/15/16, by 4/23/16, by 6/30/16 and by 12/31/16; and so on.
On the other hand, Walt, Abe and I have made a number of predictions that have proven accurate.
Why should anyone believe your latest?
He doesn't care if we believe it - we don't matter to him. He just wants Crystal to believe it, so he can continue to emotionally abuse her and isolate her from others, as he's the only one fighting for her. Everyone else lets her down and causes her pain, but Sid is there to keep fighting.
It really is classic cultish/abusive behavior.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr:
A man of decency does not call it an unfortunate accident when a drug dealer, in the process of chasing down and killing a rival drug dealer whose money he stole, kills an innocent 8 year old boy.
You're getting your drug dealers mixed up. Shan Carter was defending himself when he shot the New York drug dealer. Forensics clearly show that the bullets that struck him entered from the front and from the left angle. When he turned and ran, warning shots fired by Carter were random and had they struck the drug dealer he would have been struck in the back and right considering his flight.
When Shan ran a few steps in the same direction as the drug dealer, he did so for the purpose of preventing the drug dealer from using the side of the grocery building as shelter from which to return fire. All Shan's intention was to force the drug dealer to keep running while he could get in his car and drive away.
Anonymous A Lawyer said...
Patience. 2017 is the year that justice for Mangum will finally be served. Action is already underway that will lead to her freedom and exoneration.
Dr. Harr:
Can you link to one prediction you have made in the history of this blog that has come true?
I can think of a number that didn't: that you would "humiliate" the State Bar; that the state would never take Crystal to trial because they had no case; that, even with a "turncoat lawyer," Crystal would be acquitted; that your lawsuits against Duke would succeed; that Crystal would be freed by 3/15/16, by 4/23/16, by 6/30/16 and by 12/31/16; and so on.
On the other hand, Walt, Abe and I have made a number of predictions that have proven accurate.
Why should anyone believe your latest?
Your observations are well founded. My mistake in my predictions were predicated upon my apparently naive belief that the authorities would act with principles and integrity and my belief that the courts would rule fairly and without bias. Obviously, that was not the case... proving that the entire legal system is corrupt, racist, and cruel. So, that is why my predictions did not match reality.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
2 observations:
1) Crystal Mangum looks different in every photo she takes.
2) That picture of you two looks a bit "personal", if you know what I mean.
You wouldn't be taking a picture like this with Mike Nifong is what I'm saying.
Your powers of observation and logic do not fail you.
Sidney Harr:
"You're getting your drug dealers mixed up. Shan Carter was defending himself when he shot the New York drug dealer."
Wrong. Shan Carter was out on the street dealing drugs. When he first fired at Tyrone Baker, according to his own testimony, he fires at the pavement., with a .357 Magnum, of which he, as a convicted felon, was in illegal possession. Tyrone Baker fled, which he would not have been unable to do, if he had two .357 magnum slugs in his body, one in his lrg and one in his torso. After he fled, Shan Carter pursued him and continued firing at him and brought him down. You are too clinically incompetent to know what killed Tyrone Baker.
"Forensics clearly show that the bullets that struck him entered from the front and from the left angle. When he turned and ran, warning shots fired by Carter were random and had they struck the drug dealer he would have been struck in the back and right considering his flight."
If Tyrone Baker had been hit with two .357 slugs he wouldnot have been able to flee. I sayagain, this prattle you spew out shows only you are clinically incompetent.
"When Shan ran a few steps in the same direction as the drug dealer, he did so for the purpose of preventing the drug dealer from using the side of the grocery building as shelter from which to return fire."
Tyrone Baker was unarmed. No gun was found in his possession. Your sprculation as to why no gun was found does not establish he was armed. Thar he fled after Shan Carter fired at him with his illegally possessed .357 magnum, he fled, which indicated he was unarmed. Had Tyrone Baker been armed he would have returned fire.
"All Shan's intention was to force the drug dealer to keep running while he could get in his car and drive away."
No. Shan Carter's attitude was, if Tyrone Baker tried to back get the money I stole, I'm going to blow him away.
Again you show you do not tell the truth.
Sidney Harr:
"Your observations are well founded. My mistake in my predictions were predicated upon my apparently naive belief that the authorities would act with principles and integrity and my belief that the courts would rule fairly and without bias. Obviously, that was not the case... proving that the entire legal system is corrupt, racist, and cruel. So, that is why my predictions did not match reality."
No, your mistake happened because you are a delusional megalomaniac who believed he could force his will upon others. Your actions demonstrate you have no idea of how a fair, objective, unbiased court would act. Your constant preaching that Crystal was the "victim/accuser in the duke rape case(she was the victimizer in the Duke Rape Hoax) show you have noo concept of justice.
Which is why you preach that murderers Crystal Mangum and Shan Carter should get passes for killing people.
Sidney Harr:
Like it or not the story of Shan Carter and the murders of Tyrone Baker and Demetrius Greene is part of the public record, and that you choose to disbeklieve it and distort it is meaningless and irrelevant.
proving that the entire legal system is corrupt, racist, and cruel. So, that is why my predictions did not match reality.
But that's all going to change by February 14?
Why do you keep making these preposterous predictions? Why don't you just tell us what you've done and what you plan to do, and let us decide if any of it is going to help Crystal?
Sidney Harr:
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/nc-supreme-court/1339721.html:
"The instant charges stem from events occurring on the afternoon of 16 February 1997. On that afternoon, defendant[Shan Carter] and Temony were riding in defendant's car. They stopped near a crowd of ten to fifteen people gathered in front of a grocery store located at the intersection of 10th and Dawson Streets in Wilmington. A number of residents were out on the neighborhood streets that day. Defendant and Temony exited the car; DEFENDANT BEGAN CONDUCTING DRUG TRANSACTIONS(emphasis added)."
Sid:
You have 3 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 48 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 181 days since the end of June, 249 days since April 23rd, 288 days since the Ides of March, 1,132 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,483 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,348 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid:
You have 3 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 48 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 181 days since the end of June, 249 days since April 23rd, 288 days since the Ides of March, 1,132 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,483 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,348 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Hey, Abe. I'm glad I'm not a betting man. It's looking like I would have lost... that Crystal would still be incarcerated in 2017. My inability to get her out before the end of the year 2016 really reflects ill on a legal system that is cruel, corrupt, and racist.
However, no way is she going to remain in prison much longer. There is no doubt in my mind that she will be released in 2017.
Anonymous A Lawyer said...
proving that the entire legal system is corrupt, racist, and cruel. So, that is why my predictions did not match reality.
But that's all going to change by February 14?
Why do you keep making these preposterous predictions? Why don't you just tell us what you've done and what you plan to do, and let us decide if any of it is going to help Crystal?
Hey, A Lawyer.
The reason I make so-called "predictions" is to give visitors to this site a heads up as to what I believe will be significant events related to Mangum's case... so that they will tend to check the site around that time. With regards to mid-February 2017, I anticipate that movement in the court system will produce a seismic ruling in Mangum's favor. The reason I am not being specific about the current issue is that it, like much in Mangum's case, can be considered to be sensitive. A full accounting will be made after the event as I do not want to take the chance of jeopardizing its success by prematurely discussing it. But you will eventually be enlightened... likely sometime around mid-February.
Sid said:
"There is no doubt in my mind that she will be released in 2017."
I take this as yet another prediction. 2016 isn't even over yet and you have already made two predictions for 2017. Have you learned nothing from my countdown?
Next year isn't going to be any different from this year or last year or the year before that. Mangum is going to spend all of 2017 in prison.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Sid,
You have yet to file anything that can help, and until you do, and the State is allowed to respond, and there is a hearing set - nothing will happen. Until you have a response date from the State you can just stop with your lies and foolish predictions - we know they are all false and intended to hurt Crystal and bring her closer to you.
Once the Court orders the State to respond, and there is a hearing date - let us know. Until then, you are just an asshole abuser narcissist. You should apply for a job in the Trump administration - you'd fit right in.
Sidney Harr:
"Hey, Abe. I'm glad I'm not a betting man. It's looking like I would have lost... that Crystal would still be incarcerated in 2017. My inability to get her out before the end of the year 2016 really reflects ill on a legal system that is cruel, corrupt, and racist."
The only corrupt racists on this blog are you and Kenhyderal, with your advocacy of the conviction and imprisoned for a crime which never happened simply because the false accuser was white.
"However, no way is she going to remain in prison much longer. There is no doubt in my mind that she will be released in 2017."
there should be.
There is no doubt in a lot of minds that you will fail again and again and again, righy up to Crystal's finishing her term.
Sidney Harr:
"Hey, A Lawyer.
The reason I make so-called "predictions" is to give visitors to this site a heads up as to what I believe will be significant events related to Mangum's case... so that they will tend to check the site around that time."
No, you make your predictions because you are a pompous delusional megalomaniac who likes to hear himself pontificate.
"With regards to mid-February 2017, I anticipate that movement in the court system will produce a seismic ruling in Mangum's favor."
How many times since Crystal's conviction and imprisonment have you made that promise and then failed to deliver?
"The reason I am not being specific about the current issue is that it, like much in Mangum's case, can be considered to be sensitive. A full accounting will be made after the event as I do not want to take the chance of jeopardizing its success by prematurely discussing it."
Wrong again. You have repeatedly shown you can not bring about any seismic events.
"But you will eventually be enlightened... likely sometime around mid-February."
And how many times have you promised enlightenment and then failed to deliver? TNTC(which abbreviation you should comprehend if you were clinically competent.
"Your powers of observation and logic do not fail you."
Although geared toward more toward women attracted to men behind bars, I strongly suggest you read "Women Who Love Men Who Kill".
In it, author Sheila Isenberg identifies the real crux of these relationships is that the people in them with these inmates are damaged -- sexually, psychologically, emotionally.
Psychobabble! Stop practicing amateur psychiatry. I introduced Dr. Harr to Crystal in 2010. After that she became a member of Justice4nifong. They have been friends for years. The bottom line is Crystal Mangum is no murderer. She is a victim of the corrupt racist NC Justice System and Dr. Harr is a dedicated advocate for those victimized by it. He is not fascinated by killers. He is a long-time seeker of Justice and Crystal's treatment cries out for Justice
C'mon Kenny -- you have to admit that photo of Sid and Crystal looks a bit more than "friendly".....
Now, if I had stated that Sid is apparently suffering from Hybristophilia (in which sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed a crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery), then you could claim that I was practicing amateur psychiatry.
As it stands, I just recommended a book.
By the way, where's your photo with Crystal for comparison?
Hey, Anon, could we please leave Dr. Harr's personal life out of this?
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A Lawyer, why?
I think it explains Sid's...overzealous attempts to free Crystal - not from any desire to "seek justice", but just your basic desire, period.
K:enhyderal:
"Psychobabble! Stop practicing amateur psychiatry. I introduced Dr. Harr to Crystal in 2010. After that she became a member of Justice4nifong. They have been friends for years. The bottom line is Crystal Mangum is no murderer. She is a victim of the corrupt racist NC Justice System and Dr. Harr is a dedicated advocate for those victimized by it. He is not fascinated by killers. He is a long-time seeker of Justice and Crystal's treatment cries out for Justice>
Again Kenhyderal documents he does not comprehend what is the truth. The NC Justice system is not racist just because it did not give a murderess a pass for her crimes. Crystal is a murderess. Sidney Harr, who advocates that innocent men be convicted and imprisoned for a crime which never happened, who calls the corrupt DA who persecuted them a decent, honorable minister of justice, and who calls it an unfortunate accident when a drug dealer kills an innocent 8 year old boy while chasing down and killing a rival drug dealere, after stealing money from that dealer, is no advocate for justice.
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Kenhyderal:
"Crystal's treatment cries out for Justice".Crystal got justice when she was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye.
Sid:
You have 2 days to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 47 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 182 days since the end of June, 250 days since April 23rd, 289 days since the Ides of March, 1,133 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,484 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,347 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
http://www.care2.com/causes/north-carolina-is-no-longer-a-democracy-according-to-political-scientist.html I hope North Carolinians of all political persuasions find this situation intolerable and join together to bring about true justice and democracy, top to bottom, for their citizens especially their black citizens
Kenhyderal...awkwardly feminine or possibly Canadian? Let's play dodgeball!
Kenhyderal:
"http://www.care2.com/causes/north-carolina-is-no-longer-a-democracy-according-to-political-scientist.html I hope North Carolinians of all political persuasions find this situation intolerable and join together to bring about true justice and democracy, top to bottom, for their citizens especially their black citizens".
The issue you continue to dodge is, when os it true justice that innocent men be convicted and imprisoned for a crime which never happpened just because the false accuser was a black peraon.
I remind you yet again you have presented zero evidence that the crime ever took place.
Your racist resentment of Caucasian men wh ar more accomplished and better off than you are does not add up to evidence of any crime.
kenny:
No matter what a "political scientist" who is upset about the election results might write or say, Mangum still lied about being raped and she is still guilty of murder. For that, justice demands that she remain in prison for all of 2017, 2018, 2019, 2010, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025 and part of 2026. Justice will be served. There is nothing you or Sid can do to thwart, subvert or interfere with justice being finally brought to bear on Mangum. Hopefully she learns something from it and returns to society a changed person.
A great man once observed that the arc of the moral universe is long, but it always bends towards justice. Remember that as you continue to watch the arc of the moral universe bend farther and farther away from you and towards justice.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe said: " Mangum still lied about being raped and she is still guilty of murder".......The former unproved, the latter a case of wrongful conviction. Her treatment is indicative of the kind of justice or lack thereof prevalent in North Carolina.
Anonymous said: "Kenhyderal...awkwardly feminine or possibly Canadian? Let's play dodgeball! Dodgeball what's that http://www.curtoons.com/newlogos/hockeyclubweb.gif
Kenhyderal:
"Abe said: " Mangum still lied about being raped and she is still guilty of murder".......The former unproved, the latter a case of wrongful conviction. Her treatment is indicative of the kind of justice or lack thereof prevalent in North Carolina."
The former has been proven. However whether or not Crystal lied is irrelevant. For anyone to be found guiltty of raping Crystal, it had o be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Crystal told the truth. Kenhyderal has provided zero evidence that Crystal told the truth.
The latter was a just conviction. Kenny rouses because his favorite murderess did nt get a pass for her crime.
Kenhyderal yet again shows he is not capable of recognizing truth.
Kenhyderal can't even remember what he wrote last year. Why do you expect him to recognize truth?
Actually, Kenny, the State proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Mangum is a murderer. The conviction was upheld on appeal.
It has also been proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that Mangum lied about being raped. An objective review of the evidence led every partial observer to conclude that Mangum wasn't raped and she is universally referred to as the false accuser in what is now widely known as the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax. The evidence that Mangum lied was so overwhelming that the State not only had to drop the charges, they had to take the extraordinary step of declaring the defendants innocent, and the defendants were awarded millions of dollars each.
Observe how the arc of the moral universe has gradually bent since Mangum's false accusations. The people who were on the right side of justice were eventually exonerated and compensated and have gone on to lead productive lives. Those, like Mangum, Nifong and others, who on the wrong side of justice have met with failure, disgrace, financial ruination, loss of their professions and reputations, prison and even death. Take due notice and govern yourself accordingly.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Krnhyderal:
You say the police investigation was shoddy and ineffective.
why was it so shoddy?
Who conducted the investigation?
Who was in charge?
Why were the men who deposited their DNA on Crystal ever identified?
Sid:
Today is your last day to exonerate and free Mangum. There are 46 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 183 days since the end of June, 251 days since April 23rd, 290 days since the Ides of March, 1,134 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,485 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,346 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe:
Time to add February 14,2017 to your countdown.
All:
Happy New Year!
To A Lawyer:
I already did. Check above.
Happy New Year to you, too.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
In North Carolina, could Sidney marry Mangum and then do this:
http://www.creditinfocenter.com/community/topic/280929-representing-spouse-pro-se-solution/
Sid:
Every prediction you made last year failed to come to fruition and every deadline you set came and went with nothing happening. Yet, before the year had ended, you promised that Mangum would be released and exonerated in 2017 and you predicted a seismic ruling in her favor by February 14, 2017. So, here we go again.
You have 365 to free and exonerate Mangum in 2017. There are 45 days until February 14, 2017.
It has been 1 day since the end of 2016, 184 days since the end of June 2016, 252 days since April 23, 2016, 291 days since the Ides of March 2016, 1,135 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,486 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,345 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Anonymous December 31, 2016 at 8:26 PM
Sidnry should remember what happened to the last two men with whom Crystal had a relationship.
Abe said: " An objective review of the evidence led every partial observer to conclude that Mangum wasn't raped and she is universally referred to as the false accuser in what is now widely known as the Duke Lacrosse Rape Hoax. The evidence that Mangum lied was so overwhelming that the State not only had to drop the charges, they had to take the extraordinary step of declaring the defendants innocent, and the defendants were awarded millions of dollars each".......................If the review was so objective why has it's findings not been made public? A gullible public has been convinced by the Duke Lacrosse Defence and their proxies that Crystal was not credible and that her accusations were false. However anyone who actually knows Crystal personally and not from what has been so widely and falsely disseminated about her believe she was the victim. Cooper went through the motions of conducting an investigation but he was under so much pressure that he threw in the towel and took the unprecedented step of not just dropping the charge but of declaring the accused of being innocent. By the way the award received by the 3 charged once they were declared innocent was not paid by North Carolina but by Duke's Insurance Company.
Kenhyderal:
"If the review was so objective why has it's findings not been made public?"
It has been made public. Read Until Proven Innocent,It's not About the Truth, Tush to Injustice, and watch the ESPN Documentary, Fantastic Lies. That Roy Cooper did not release the discovery file ti William Cohan does not mean the file is sealed.
A gullible public has been convinced by the Duke Lacrosse Defence and their proxies that Crystal was not credible and that her accusations were false."
No, the public was convinced by Crystal herself that Crystal was not reliable, via her different, contradicting versions of her story, by her failure to identify reliably any mrmnber of the Lacrosse r\team as an assailant, and by the total lack of evidence that she was raped. You speculate about why her stories were contradicting, ewhy her identificayions were unreliable and why there was no evidence. Speculation does not establsh a crime took place.
"However anyone who actually knows Crystal personally and not from what has been so widely and falsely disseminated about her believe she was the victim."
Irrelevant statement as no one ever disseminated false information about Crystal except you, Sidney, DA Nifong and William Cohan, that false information being that Crystal was raped.
"Cooper went through the motions of conducting an investigation but he was under so much pressure that he threw in the towel and took the unprecedented step of not just dropping the charge but of declaring the accused of being innocent."
The only pressure exerted on AG Cooper was applied by racist Black media to fforcr him to declare the obviously innocent men guilty.
"By the way the award received by the 3 charged once they were declared innocent was not paid by North Carolina but by Duke's Insurance Company."
Not according to Sidney, who claimed that Duke settled with the innocent men because the innocent mens' counsel assured Duke their insurance carrier would pay.They did not. Duke would not have paid anything unless they knew they would losse badly if the case went to court.
The Lacrosse players were innocent because AG Cooper declared them innocent but because the crime of which they were accused had never happened. I repeat you have presented Zero evidence that the crime happened. You present only baseless speculation why the evidence was never there. Again, that kind of speculation does not establish evidence was there. And, in the real world, if evidence of a crime is there, it does not disappear unless someone makesit disappear. Considering the timeline of the events, none of the defendants had any opportunity to make any evidence disappear. The only individual who tried to make evidence disappear was DA Nifong, and he tried to make exculpatory evidence disappear.
You again show you are incredibly stupid and totally incapable of comprehending the truth.
Kenhyderal:
What do you think of yhe anonymous comment at Anonymous December 31, 2016 at 8:26 PM?
You seem to have a conniption over the idea of any one but you having a relationship with Crystal.
Correction:
The Lacrosse players were NOT innocent because AG Cooper declared them innocent but because the crime of which they were accused had never happened. I repeat you have presented Zero evidence that the crime happened. You present only baseless speculation why the evidence was never there. Again, that kind of speculation does not establish evidence was there. And, in the real world, if evidence of a crime is there, it does not disappear unless someone makesit disappear. Considering the timeline of the events, none of the defendants had any opportunity to make any evidence disappear. The only individual who tried to make evidence disappear was DA Nifong, and he tried to make exculpatory evidence disappear.
It's a summary of exculpatory facts and conclusions based thereon. The investigative files remain sealed and there was no mention of any inculpatory evidence eg. Evidence of Crystal's sober arrival and sudden impairment, DNA extracted from sperm not explained by Crystal's consensual sexual history, the Seligman alibi, the sudden and precipitous end to the party and fleeing of the attendees, the likelihood the white fluid found was semen and not some undiagnosed infection, the statistical evidence regarding Evans and Crystal's fingernail, etc ,etc
Kenny,
The reason there's no mention of inculpatory evidence is that there is no such evidence. Crystal did not arrive sober and suddenly become impaired. There was no effort to look at Crystal's consensual history. Amazingly, Seligmann had an alibi! You don't understand statistics, as we saw some months ago, etc., etc.
kenny:
The only inculpatory evidence was the word of Mangum, which continually changed, and the report of an extremely inexperienced SANE nurse who did not know that Mangum was a prostitute (or escort, if you prefer that term; the terms are synonymous) who had engaged in sexual intercourse with multiple men (w/o bathing - yech) in the hours before her examination.
The only records/documents from the Duke rape hoax that are sealed are Mangum's medical records. She can release them any time she wants. She isn't going to because they show her history of mental illness (which is why AG Cooper decided not to charge her with a crime in connection with her false complaint).
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Kenhyderal:
""there was no mention of any inculpatory evidence eg. Evidence of Crystal's sober arrival and sudden impairment, DNA extracted from sperm not explained by Crystal's consensual sexual history"
The DNA evidence to which you refer was unknown to the public because DA Nifong deliberately concealed it from the public rather than trace it back to the men who had left it. The presence of the DNA became public knowledge AFTER the Defendants' counsel forced Brian Meehan to admit that he had submitted the evidence to Nifong and that he and Nifong agreed not to report it to any of the individuals who had been subjected to the NTO. The evidence was exculpatory evidence, not inculpatory of anything, except in your deluded mind which is incapable of recognizing truth.
Abe your disgusting baseless characterization of Crystal at 5:46 should, by rights, trigger Blog host Dr. Harr to wipe such filth off the thread. If you weren't so cowardly you would post under your real name. But then there might be consequences
Kenny,
Is there any way we can get you to stop whining?
So, Sidney,
Are you considering marrying Crystal? You'd be able to work as her pro-se attorney, and would spend a lot more time with her.
Black Lies Don't Matter.
Kenhyderal:
"Abe your disgusting baseless characterization of Crystal at 5:46 should, by rights, trigger Blog host Dr. Harr to wipe such filth off the thread. If you weren't so cowardly you would post under your real name. But then there might be consequences"
Kenhyderal again shows he hates yo comprehend the truth.
Kenhyderal:
You make an issue of the male DNA found on Crystal.
You do not make an issue of this:
No one was aware of that DNA evidence until December of 2006, months after that evidence was found, months after the alleged crime allegedly happened. The world became aware of that evidence when the defense attorneys, specifically Brad Bannon, cross examined Brian Meehan and Meehan then admitted the existence of the evidence.
Up until then the only people who were aware of the evidence were Meehan and DA Nifong.
So why did Nifong hold on to that evidence rather than reveal it? Why did Nifong do nothing to identify the men who left their DNA on Crystal?
Sid:
There are 44 days until February 14th. You have 364 to exonerate and free Mangum in 2017.
It has been 2 day since the end of 2016, 185 days since the end of June 2016, 253 days since April 23, 2016, 292 days since the Ides of March 2016, 1,136 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,487 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,344 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Kenhyderal:
Please address this issue which you have brrn dodging and ducking.
If the DNA evidence recovered from Crystal's rape kit was inculpatory, why did DA Nifong conceal it, and he did conceal it, until the existence of the evidence was revealed by the Defense Counsel.
"It is unclear when a prosecutor needs to produce exculpatory material under the federal constitution. In deciding whether or not a defendant is entitled to a dismissal or other remedy, many courts have found no violation of federal constitutional rights when the material was produced at trial, on the theory that the defendant was not ultimately prejudiced by the timing of the disclosure" Joseph E. Kennedy Professor of law at the University of North Carolina School of Law
Kenny,
You still haven't explained why Nifong et al didn't try to locate the men responsible for the DNA found on Crystal.
Kenhyderal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_v._Maryland:
"Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963) was a landmark United States Supreme Court case that established that the prosecution must turn over all evidence that might exonerate the defendant (exculpatory evidence) to the defense".
that takes precedence over the opinion of any law professor.
Kenhyderal:
Quoting Joseph E. Kennedy Professor of law at the University of North Carolina School of Law:
"many courts have found no violation of federal constitutional rights when the material was produced at trial, on the theory that the defendant was not ultimately prejudiced by the timing of the disclosure".
Totally irrelevant.
Nifong had no intention of ever disclosing that evidence. The evidence wasdisclosed because the Defense attorneys forced Brian Meehan to disclose it.
It was turned over October 27th with the trial still months away and did not violate the Brady Rule.
Guiowen said: "You still haven't explained why Nifong et al didn't try to locate the men responsible for the DNA found on Crystal"..................... Because he thought he had sufficient evidence to proceed on sexual assault and kidnapping for the 3 without DNA. That, in retrospect was a mistake, that played into the strategy of the Duke Lacrosse "Dream Team"
Kenny really can't do anything other than whine can he? He can't point to a single thing he's done to help Crystal - he won't contact people, he won't do anything (but say he "knows" they are reading this and should respond). You really are more pathetic than we thought.
Kenhyderal:
"It was turned over October 27th with the trial still months away and did not violate the Brady Rule."
Wrong, yet again.
Nifog turned over thousands of pages of raw data, not a report of what was found. There is another consideration, North Carolina law regarding Non Testimonial Orders. Te DA's office was obligated by law to turn over the report of te results, including the finding of DNA which did not match the DNA of the subjects of the order.
No matter how you try to spin it, Kenny,Nifong was in violation not only of Federal lawbut also state law.
And you still have to explain why Nifong tried to identify the men who left their DNA on Crystal.
Kenhyderal:
"Guiowen said: "You still haven't explained why Nifong et al didn't try to locate the men responsible for the DNA found on Crystal"..................... Because he thought he had sufficient evidence to proceed on sexual assault and kidnapping for the 3 without DNA. That, in retrospect was a mistake, that played into the strategy of the Duke Lacrosse 'Dream Team'".
Irrelevant and non responsive, elusive answer.
DA Nifong had the Lacrosse players indicted for first degree rape as well for sexual assault and kidnapping. Nifong concealed the evidence because ihe knew tat the DNA evidence was exculpatory, not inculpatory.
You again show you are incredibly stupid and incapable of recognizing the truth.
And how did Nifong's concealment of evidence which exonerated the accused would have aided the defense.
Coorrection:
And you still have to explain why Nifong NEVER tried to identify the men who left their DNA on Crystal.
Kenhyderal:
Explain why Nifong did not turn over the report of what DNA Security found on the rape kit. If he had intended to make the defense aware of the DNA evidence, he would have turned over the report, by May of 2006 when it was available, not in October of 2006.
Kenhyderal:
Explain why nifong, if his intent to prosecute for only sexual assault and kidnapping, sought indictments for first degree rape.
Kenhyderal:
After the results came back from the State Crime Lab, no evidence of blood, semen or saliva, no evidence of DNA from any member of the Lacrosse team, Nifong made he statement he would prosecute for rape the old fashioned way, relying on the testimony of the victim and the medial findings.
Where did you get your delusional BS that Nifong intended to convict them of only sexual assault and kidnapping?
Kenhyderal,
Maybe he thought he could convict on what little evidence he had. He knew, however, that the three indicted players were not responsible for the DNA. Thus he hoped to convict three innocent men while letting the guilty persons go free.
Do you actually believe that?
United States Court of Appeals, Fourth Circuit.
SIDNEY B. HARR, Plaintiff - Appellant, v. RICHARD H. BRODHEAD, President; DUKE UNIVERSITY, c/o Pamela J. Bernard, General Counsel; ASSOCIATED PRESS; DAVID F. LEVI, Dean, Defendants - Appellees.
No. 16-1846
Decided: December 22, 2016
Before GREGORY, Chief Judge, and WYNN and FLOYD, Circuit Judges.Sidney B. Harr, Appellant Pro Se.
Sidney B. Harr appeals the district court's order dismissing on res judicata grounds his civil action against Defendants, and imposing a prefiling injunction against and sanctions on Harr. We have reviewed the record and found no reversible error. Accordingly, we affirm for the reasons stated by the district court. See Harr v. Brodhead, No. 1:16-cv-00304-CCE-JLW (M.D.N.C. June 30, 2016). We dispense with oral argument because the facts and legal contentions are adequately presented in the materials before this court and argument would not aid the decisional process.
AFFIRMED
PER CURIAM:
What a surprise.
Not.
Sid:
There are 43 days until February 14th. You have 363 to exonerate and free Mangum in 2017.
It has been 3 day since the end of 2016, 186 days since the end of June 2016, 254 days since April 23, 2016, 293 days since the Ides of March 2016, 1,137 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,488 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,343 days.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
The perfect caption for that photo of Mangum - ho,ho,ho.
More for Kenhyderal and the DNA evidence:
Nifong did not willingly turn over Brian Meehan's raw data to the Defendants. He was compelled to do so by a court order.
In the hearing in December of 2006, Nifong put Brian Meehan on the stand as a surprise witness, never expecting the defense to be prepared for him. Unfortunately for corrupt DA Nifong, defense counsel was prepared for him, and compelled him to admit that he and Nifong agreed not to report the DNA evidence to the defense.
So wake up and admit, your law professor quote, like so many of your posts, is irrelevant. Corrupt DA Nifong had no intention of disclosing that exculpatory, I say again, exculpatory, evidence to the defense.
So how do you get that the evidence was inculpatory of anything.
And if you still maintain the evidence was inculpatory, you still refuse to explain why Nifong never sought to identify the men it implicated.
I concur with A Lawyer. Not a surprise that Harr III is another loss for Sid. Hey, Sid, get yourself a Carolina Blue crying towel.
Walt-in-Durham
Interesting, Sid did not favor us with the 4th Circuit's ruling in the Freeman case. But, I will.
PER CURIAM:
Sidney B. Harr appeals the district court’s order granting
N. Lorrin Freeman’s motion to dismiss Harr’s civil rights claims
against Freeman. We have reviewed the record and find no
reversible error. Accordingly, we affirm the district court’s
judgment. See Harr v. Freeman, No. 5:16-cv-00199-FL (E.D.N.C.
Aug. 16, 2016). We dispense with oral argument because the
facts and legal contentions are adequately presented in the
materials before this court and argument would not aid the
decisional process.
Looks like Sid lost again. Duke blue crying towel for you this time Sid. I like to keep things equal.
Walt-in-Durham
Two more petitions for the Supreme Court to deny soon ... cause we know Sid is gonna try and appeal these denials. He's gotta keep up the lies and the games for Crystal as long as he possibly can.
I believe something like this was once posted on J4N: Insanity is taking the same ineffective action over and over again and expecting some result other than failure.
The action has not been ineffective. Can't you see how well Sidney and Crystal are now getting along?
Don't you wish NC would allow conjugal visits?
Anonymous said: "So how do you get that the evidence was inculpatory of anything.
And if you still maintain the evidence was inculpatory, you still refuse to explain why Nifong never sought to identify the men it implicated"..................I outlined on Jan 1 @ 3:01 several areas of investigation, the findings of, which could have given credibility to Crystal's accusation. Surely Jim Coman and Mary Winstead, in their so called, thorough investigation, would have probed these areas. The report they gave Cooper made no mention of what they found about these matters. Anything they did discover in these areas should be in their investigative notes that are sealed. However, any areas that suggest the crime did not happen were all dutifully listed in the public report but none of the evidence suggesting it did happen was presented. If the investigation was so complete not only DA Nifong but AG Cooper should have sought the source of the DNA recovered.
Kenny,
I think I already addressed most of your 3;01 "AREAS OF INVESTIGATION". Stop grasping at straws.
Kenhyderal:
"I outlined on Jan 1 @ 3:01 several areas of investigation, the findings of, which could have given credibility to Crystal's accusation."
No you didn't. You did nothing more than speculate. Speculation does not establish anything
"Surely Jim Coman and Mary Winstead, in their so called, thorough investigation, would have probed these areas."
Wrong! If you had read the AG's report you would have read that his investigators, Jim Coman and Mary Wibstead, found nothing, advised AG Cooper that no crime had happened and that the accused were innocent.
"The report they gave Cooper made no mention of what they found about these matters. Anything they did discover in these areas should be in their investigative notes that are sealed."
Wrong again. The report was that they believed the accused were innocent.
"However, any areas that suggest the crime did not happen were all dutifully listed in the public report but none of the evidence suggesting it did happen was presented."
Wrong yet again. There was no evidence to present that the crime ever happened. What the AG said in his press conference in April was, there was no evidence, no witnesses, absolutely nothing to corroborate Crystal's story. Your wishful thinking and your speculation do not add up to evidence. Again, you have provided zero evidence of anything.
"If the investigation was so complete not only DA Nifong but AG Cooper should have sought the source of the DNA recovered."
You are again trying to duck the issue, why did Nifong, who developed the evidence and had custody of it conceal the evidence. You say a complete list of party attendees was never compiled. According to you, some entity named Kilgo told you that a Lacrosse player told him that there were non Lacrosse party attendees and that he, the Lacrosse player, had witnessed them raping Crystal. Then you claimed kilgo posted that on J4N. Then you said, kilgo disappeared from J4N and deleted all his posts. So you can not document that kilgo or anyone told you that. So, most likely you fabricated that claim.
The investigation showed that there were no unidentified party attendees and the DNA found on Crystal DID NOT match the DNA of any party attendee. The most likely explanation why the sources of rhe DNA were never identified was, Nifong himself did not believe there had been a rape, if he had identified the sources of the DNA he would have had proven the DNA had been deposited before the party and that no rape had happened, and his wrongful prosecution would have been exposed much earlier than it was.
Kenhyderal:
Here is what you posted on January 1, 301 PM:
"It's a summary of exculpatory facts and conclusions based thereon. The investigative files remain sealed and there was no mention of any inculpatory evidence eg. Evidence of Crystal's sober arrival and sudden impairment,"
The evidence was, Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party and left the party still impaired.
"DNA extracted from sperm not explained by Crystal's consensual sexual history,"
All party attendees were identified(I say again your fabricated claim regar=rding what Kilgo told you is not evidence there were unidentified party attendees). The DNA found on Crystal could not have been deposited after the party and WAS NOT deposited atthe party and could have only been deposited before the party.
"the Seligman alibi,"
You seem to be focusing on Cohan's saying Nifong believed Reade Seligman's alibi was contrived. Reade Seligman presented evidence that his alibi was solid(I remind you you have presented zero evidence to support your claims-speculation is not evidence). I ask again, if Nifong believed his alibi was contrived, then why did he not want Reade Seligman to present it in court, where it could have been discredited? And why did Nifong go after Moez Elmostafa, who made a statement supporting Reade Seligman's alibi, and try to intimidate him into retracting his statement?
"the sudden and precipitous end to the party and fleeing of the attendees,"
Did not happen the way you describe.
"the likelihood the white fluid found was semen and not some undiagnosed infection,"
What was not definitively determined was that the fluid was semen. A wet mount, a simple test which would have definitively ruled in or ruled out if it was semen should have been done in the ER. Presuming it was Semen without a wet mount would have been totally inappropriate. It was not and you have once said that a wet mount would have been CYA Medicine. The failure to detect Alkaline Phosphatase on the rape kit does definitively rule out it was semen. Your speculation as to how it could have been semen does not establish it was.
"the statistical evidence regarding Evans and Crystal's fingernail, etc ,etc"
Explain how the finding of DNA on Crystal's false fingernail, consistent with but not definitively matching David Evans' DNA is evidence of a rape but the failure to find DNA definitively matching David Evans' DNA on Crystal's person did not definitively rule him out as a suspect. I remind you that the rape which Crystal described was a rape in which her assailants did leave their DNA.
At 3:01 PM you again presented zero evidence Crystal had been raped.
So again I ask, what kind of perverse gratification do you get from believing Crystal had been raped.
I wonder why Dr. Harr always posts his Complaints when he files one of his frivolous lawsuits, but never posts any of the court decisions against him.
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