Wednesday, September 27, 2017

Magistrate Recommendation and Petitioner Objection in the Crystal Mangum Habeas Corpus Case

122 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well, Sidney you have published another compendium of irrelevancies.

I notice there is a statement in this screed that you, as a retired physician, noticed problems with the autopsy report.

As a medical school graduate who was never accepted into residency training, who never achieved medical board specialty certification, who retired 17 years after graduating from medical school, and who spent most of his post medical school career filing and losing frivolous non meritorious lawsuits, you are not competent to evaluate the truth or falsehood of an autopsy report.

So far as your rants and raves about the Duke Rape HOAX, you continue to admit there was zero evidence that Crystal had been raped, zero evidence that any member of the Lacrosse team had intimate contact with her, no reliable identifications of any Lacrosse player as an assailant(certainty does not equal reliability), no witnesses to any crime, it is obvious to any one except a pitiful, biased failed physician like you, that Nifong prosecuted innocent men when he had zero probable cause to prosecute. So, if he was the only DA in NC ever to be disbarred for prosecutorial misconduct. he richly deserved that distinction.

Anonymous said...

Sidney:

PS:

That no one ever proved Crystal lied is irrelevant. To establish she had been raped, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that she told the truth.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well, Sidney you have published another compendium of irrelevancies.

I notice there is a statement in this screed that you, as a retired physician, noticed problems with the autopsy report.

As a medical school graduate who was never accepted into residency training, who never achieved medical board specialty certification, who retired 17 years after graduating from medical school, and who spent most of his post medical school career filing and losing frivolous non meritorious lawsuits, you are not competent to evaluate the truth or falsehood of an autopsy report.

So far as your rants and raves about the Duke Rape HOAX, you continue to admit there was zero evidence that Crystal had been raped, zero evidence that any member of the Lacrosse team had intimate contact with her, no reliable identifications of any Lacrosse player as an assailant(certainty does not equal reliability), no witnesses to any crime, it is obvious to any one except a pitiful, biased failed physician like you, that Nifong prosecuted innocent men when he had zero probable cause to prosecute. So, if he was the only DA in NC ever to be disbarred for prosecutorial misconduct. he richly deserved that distinction.

September 27, 2017 at 10:26 AM


Anony, it doesn't take a board certified physician to be able to appreciate the discrepancies between the autopsy report by Dr. Nichols and the Duke University Hospital medical records. If you know so much, answer me this: Was Daye's spleen removed at surgery, or was it merely repaired and left in place?

As far as the 2006 Duke Lacrosse case, I have never really made statements about it. For one thing, I don't have the prosecution discovery from that case.

Nifong Supporter said...



guiowen said...
Is this true, Sidney? Have you actually lengthened Crystal's time by 10 months?

Crystal' projected release date is now listed on the DOC as January 4, 2027. It was earlier listed as February 27, 2026.

September 27, 2017 at 6:44 AM



gui, mon ami,

This is the first I've heard of any extension regarding Crystal's sentence. I don't know how I could possibly be in any way responsible for it. Do you have any thoughts about that?

But, it'll all be moot. I'm planning on having her released... hopefully before Christmas. I don't think it'll be long; she will be out soon.

September 27, 2017 at 10:54 AM

Anonymous said...

Someone needs to start a countdown to Christmas.

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr:

"Anony, it doesn't take a board certified physician to be able to appreciate the discrepancies between the autopsy report by Dr. Nichols and the Duke University Hospital medical records. If you know so much, answer me this: Was Daye's spleen removed at surgery, or was it merely repaired and left in place?"

Like it or not, Mr. Harr, you ARE incompetent to render any kind of opinion on whether or not there was anything willfully distorted in the autopsy report. So far as the spleen is concerned, that is irrelevant. What led to Reginald Daye's death at the hands of Crystal WAS the stab wound inflicted on him by Crystal.

"As far as the 2006 Duke Lacrosse case, I have never really made statements about it. For one thing, I don't have the prosecution discovery from that case."

Here, like your wacko-lyte Kenny you are trying to bullshit your way around and through FACTS which do not mesh with your guilt presuming attitude towards the members of the Lacrosse team who were falsely accused and wrongfully prosecuted. I repeat, each and every time you describe Crystal as the "victim/accuser" in the Duke Rape Case, you are making a statement about the case, a guilt presuming statement. That you do not have the prosecution discovery is irrelevant. You have no right to have the prosecution discovery. And the facts of the case have been a matter of public record for over a decade. Try reading Until Proven Innocent, Rush to Injustice, It's not About the Truth or try watching fantastic lies.

Instead you prefer to read William Cohan's screed, in spite of there being evidence Cohan never tried to write an objective, evidence based account of the case. It has been pointed out he had no end notes, no bibliography in his so called book. Other authors, e.g. K.C Johnson and Stuart Taylor who did thoroughly research the case before they published their books.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr:

"Of course I gave her the non-lawyerly assistance that she required to get it filed today."

Where did you ever get the idea that you are lawyerly? From the same source you got the idea that Nifong was a decent, honorable minister of justice when he prosecuted innocent men for a rape which never happened?

September 23, 2017 at 10:10 AM


I never said I was "lawyerly." In fact, I said I gave non-lawyerly assistance.

Anonymous said...

So, Sid brings up nothing new. He still references a plea offer/conversation that has been directly contradicted by Meier in writing - and Crystal has not said Meier was lying in that letter, nor filed a Complaint with the Bar about that alleged lie. Which means Sid is the one making this up - Crystal has never said Meier's letter was wrong in that regard.

Sid is also continuing to bring up the Larceny of Chose in Action in relation to Felony Murder, even though it's been explained repeatedly that they cannot form the basis for felony murder, and felony murder was never presented to the Jury.

Every other argument Sid makes has been rehashed and debunked repeatedly. He seems to think that if he just repeats the same things often enough, and never learns or modifies his arguments, it will somehow work.

Sid, do you have a mental illness which prevents you from learning, or as many of us suspect, do you just do this to keep Crystal attached to you, thinking you are helping her, so you can continue to emotionally abuse her?

A Lawyer said...

Dr. Harr,
The response you ghost-wrote for Mangum to the Magistrate's recommendation totally ignores the exhaustion issue (the very first point addressed by the Magistrate's Report). You could be totally right on the merits (and you aren't), and the federal court still couldn't hear any of these claims because they were not properly exhausted in state court-- mainly because you filed her MAR in the wrong courthouse.

As Walt has often pointed out, with friends like you, Mangum doesn't need enemies.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Someone needs to start a countdown to Christmas.


September 27, 2017 at 10:59 AM


Where is Abe Froman when we need him?

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr:

"I never said I was 'lawyerly.'"

You were so conceited about your lawyerly qualities you bragged about how you would humiliate the nC Sate Bar. It was not trash talk. It was a boast, a very hollow boast.


"In fact, I said I gave non-lawyerly assistance."

What you gave her was anything but assistance.

kenhyderal said...

Once again Dr. Harr has completely and clearly laid out why Crystal Mangum has been wrongly convicted. Had the case, he laid out here, been presented to a Jury, any Jury, she would have been acquitted of both charges. His discernment, without fear or favor, is far more effective than what any of the several Lawyers, constitutionally assigned to give an indigent person like Crystal, an adequate defense, so half-heatedly provided. The key, of course, was doing the required investigation and having a true care and concern for the accused and a true desire to see that justice be served. Both Walt and A Lawyer, practitioners here, act as apologists to cover for their fellow Lawyer's lame and pathetic performances. Like most of their profession they rarely like or even believe in their poor and indigent clients and so, they want to keep them off the stand, knowing full well the game and how easy it is for Prosecutors, more interested in winning cases to advance their career than a supposed role as a minister of justice, to badger and confuse an accused. Countering that would require effort on their part to match the long and craftily concocted case they had had months to selectively prepare; something usually denied to a minority accused. It's become a situation where in order to keep employed the plethora of Lawyers, esoteric and meaningless process, most often, trumps seeing that justice be done. We all know why the U.S.A. has so many Lawyers but so little justice. The innocent poor are usually convicted and the wealthy guilty often walk free.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal

Prt 1:

"Once again Dr. Harr has completely and clearly laid out why Crystal Mangum has been wrongly convicted."

No he hasn't. He has shown on multiple occasions he is incapable of understanding any legal situation, let alone lay it out completely and clearly.

"Had the case, he laid out here, been presented to a Jury, any Jury, she would have been acquitted of both charges."

Irrelevant statement. Sidney's case oils down to, Crystal should have gotten a pass for murdering Reginald Daye.

"His discernment, without fear or favor, is far more effective than what any of the several Lawyers, constitutionally assigned to give an indigent person like Crystal, an adequate defense, so half-heatedly provided."

Harr totally lacks discernment of anything except guilt presumption on the part of people he dislikes ad envies, and believing people he likes who commit major crimes should get passes for their crimes.

"The key, of course, was doing the required investigation and having a true care and concern for the accused and a true desire to see that justice be served."



As Sidny has adequately demonsrtrated in his attitudes on the Duke Rape Hoax and his multiple frivolous, non meritorious lawsuits he has no idea of what true justice is.

guiowen said...

Kenhyderal,
Could you please stop whining?

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

Part 2:

"Both Walt and A Lawyer, practitioners here, act as apologists to cover for their fellow Lawyer's lame and pathetic performances. Like most of their profession they rarely like or even believe in their poor and indigent clients and so, they want to keep them off the stand"

Here Kenny again shows how much he resents people who are beter off and more accomplished than he is.

"knowing full well the game and how easy it is for Prosecutors, more interested in winning cases to advance their career than a supposed role as a minister of justice, to badger and confuse an accused."

Kenhyderalian hypocrisy. Kenny calls Nifong as someone out for justice. He concealed evidence, manufactured evidence(Crystal's identifications of 3 innocent Lacrosse players as her assailants0, the product of a rigged lineup held at the behest of Nifong), all in an attempt to advance his political ambitions and pad his retirement benefits by railroading innocent men.

"Countering that would require effort on their part to match the long and craftily concocted case they had had months to selectively prepare; something usually denied to a minority accused."

Give an example. Crystal is not an exmple.

"It's become a situation where in order to keep employed the plethora of Lawyers, esoteric and meaningless process, most often, trumps seeing that justice be done."

So says no legal training, no legal experience Kenny, who, himself, has demonstrated he thinks railroading innocent men he dislikes and envies is justice.

"We all know why the U.S.A. has so many Lawyers but so little justice. The innocent poor are usually convicted and the wealthy guilty often walk free."

So how come the well off, innocent Lacrosse defendants were subjected to one of the most egregious episodes of prosecutorial misconduct in US History. It has been stated, if the defendants in the Duke rape hoax had been black they would have been convicted. Not true. If the defendants had been black they would never have been prosecuted. Nifong could not have curried favor among the Black Durham electorate by prosecuting black defendants.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, I remind you of the case of Michael Jermaine Burch. He was black. He raped a DUke Coed at a fraternity party. His action did not elicit the same kind of response like the Nifong response to the Duke Rape hoax. He was not given an exorbitant bail. While out on Bail, he raped another woman. He never faced a 30 year prison term but was allowed to plead to a lesser charge. The Duke gang of 88 made no commotion over what he actually got away with. I guess you would call that a wrngful prosecution directed at a black man.

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Anonymous said...

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Doogie Howser said...

kenhyderal,

In light of your passionate post in support of Ms. Mangum, I assume you have been working diligently to free her from incarceration? I am interested to learn about your efforts.

Anonymous said...

Kenny's efforts to free Crystal are limited to trolling this blog. Don't be too hard on Kenny; he's Canadian, so he is limited in many ways.

guiowen said...

Remember, this is an open case. Kenny cannot tell us his plans because some evil genius might find out about them.

Doogie Howser said...

It does not appear that you are being fair to kenhyderal.

Anonymous said...

Doogie: Who's your daddy?

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

You insist that Reginald Daye had a hobby of throwing knives. Where did you get that?

In Sidney's latest screed, the part labeled "Facts of the case", it is mentioned that the investigating officers found knives strewn throughout the apartment, only one of which had blood on it and that blood matched Reginald Daye's blood. The report of the investigation mentioned anything about Reginald Daye making a hobby out of throwing knives.

Crystal did allege Reginald Daye threw knives at her. She alleged that after she was under arrest and facing felony charges which then developed into a charge of murder 1. Why does that not sound like self serving to you. I repeat, there was no evidence that Crystal was ever raped at the party, and that is not opinion but fact. Yet you consider the statements of the Lacrosse captains, that Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party, that they were covering up for a crime. How could they have been covering up for a crime which never happened? That is another fact which does not mesh with your guilt presuming attitude.

So far as self serving, Crystal did not mention rape until she was about to be involuntarily committed to the Durham Access Center for detoxification. This was in Fantastic Lies, that would have gotten social services involved, and social services would have learned this mother had left her children alone at night and was meeting up with men. So Crystal alleged rape to keep this from happening. Now, wasn't that self serving?

guiowen said...

As I understand it, Crystal stabbed Reggie, who ran out of the apartment, to ask his nephew for help. After he left,Crystal threw the knives around the place so she could blame him. She was careful to wipe her fingerprints from the knives, but of course there was no way she could put Reggie's prints on them.

Anonymous said...

All we are saying is give peace a chance.

kenhyderal said...

@ Guiowen 8:48 AM 10-1-17: I hope you're
being sarcastic.

guiowen said...

No sarcasm there. Have you a better explanation?

kenhyderal supporter said...

I think everyone should remember that a sarcastic man is a wounded man.

Walt said...

Judge Biggs wrote: "IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that Respondent=s Motion for Summary
Judgment (ECF No. 10) is GRANTED, that Petitioner=s Petition for a Writ of Habeas Corpus
(ECF No. 3) is DENIED, and that this action is DISMISSED, and that, finding no substantial
issue for appeal concerning the denial of a constitutional right affecting the conviction, nor a debatable procedural ruling, a certificate of appealability is DENIED.

This, the 25th day of September, 2017.
/s/ Loretta C. Biggs
United States District Judge"

Whatever Sid's worthless screed might have said, the District Judge denied Crystal's [i]Habeas[/i] petition. While Crystal has the right to appeal, for all intents and purposes, this case is over. She'll stripe free sunlight on January 4, 2027. Hopefully, she now turns to the serious business of working her rehabilitation while in the friendly confines of the NC Department of Public Safety. There, and only there can she find the help she needs.

Walt-in-Durham

Wounded Man said...

But Sid said she'll be out by Christmas. Surely he can't have made another wrong prediction?

Anonymous said...

Wounded Man:

"But Sid said she'll be out by Christmas. Surely he can't have made another wrong prediction?"

She will be out in plenty of time for Christmas of 2027.

kenhyderal said...

Wallt quoting Judge Biggs wrote: "IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that Respondent=s Motion for Summary
Judgment (ECF No. 10) is GRANTED, that Petitioner=s Petition for a Writ of Habeas Corpus
(ECF No. 3) is DENIED, and that this action is DISMISSED, and that, finding no substantial
issue for appeal concerning the denial of a constitutional right affecting the conviction, nor a debatable procedural ruling, a certificate of appealability is DENIED........................This is a perfect example of the charge I made yesterday; "esoteric and meaningless process, most often, trumps seeing that justice be done. We all know why the U.S.A. has so many Lawyers but so little justice. The innocent poor are usually convicted and the wealthy guilty often walk free". The common man, with common sense, knows full well that Crystal did not murder Reginald Daye. So do all the Lawyers, but admitting it would expose the broken, corrupt US Justice system, which they are part and parcel of.

Anonymous said...

Except, Kenny, Sid is still harping on Felony Murder, lying about a plea deal that exist, and generally refusing to learn. When are you going to start actually blaming Sid and holding him responsible? He's been told things he can do to help, he refuses. Yes, instead of blaming him, you blame the system.

It's almost like you want him to keep failing, so Crystal will keep being hurt.

Anonymous said...

@ kenhyderal 1:37 PM 10-3-17: I hope you're
being sarcastic.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"Wallt quoting Judge Biggs wrote: "IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that Respondent=s Motion for Summary
Judgment (ECF No. 10) is GRANTED, that Petitioner=s Petition for a Writ of Habeas Corpus
(ECF No. 3) is DENIED, and that this action is DISMISSED, and that, finding no substantial
issue for appeal concerning the denial of a constitutional right affecting the conviction, nor a debatable procedural ruling, a certificate of appealability is DENIED........................This is a perfect example of the charge I made yesterday; "esoteric and meaningless process, most often, trumps seeing that justice be done."

No it in't. The charges ypou make are meaningless.

"We all know why the U.S.A. has so many Lawyers but so little justice. The innocent poor are usually convicted and the wealthy guilty often walk free'".

Another meaningless screed from nolegal training no legal experience from Kenny, who believes Nifong was a champion of justice when he had indicted and wrongfully prosecuted innocent men falsely accused of raping Crystal.

"The common man, with common sense, knows full well that Crystal did not murder Reginald Daye."

Another irrelevant from a man who is either uncommonly ignorant or uncommonly stupid.

"So do all the Lawyers, but admitting it would expose the broken, corrupt US Justice system, which they are part and parcel of."

More of Kenny trying to bullshit his way around and through facts which do not mesh with his guilt presumption.

kenhyderal said...

Dr. A. said: "More of Kenny trying to bullshit his way around and through facts which do not mesh with his guilt presumption".................. A clear example of "Duke Lacrosse Apologist Derangement Syndrome". As any reader can clearly see, I was discussing an entirely differ matter here. His Pavlovian responses to any and every statement I make always triggers a reflexive knee-jerk response, appropriate or not, contextual or not, as he compulsively parses my posts line by line. And he calls me uncommonly stupid.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"Dr. A. said: "More of Kenny trying to bullshit his way around and through facts which do not mesh with his guilt presumption".................. A clear example of "Duke Lacrosse Apologist Derangement Syndrome"."

No such syndrome. There was no rape of Crystal by Duke Lacrosse players. Ergo there are no Duke Lacrosse apologists.

"As any reader can clearly see, I was discussing an entirely differ matter here. His Pavlovian responses to any and every statement I make always triggers a reflexive knee-jerk response, appropriate or not, contextual or not, as he compulsively parses my posts line by line."

An example of a Pavlovian response is Kenny's reaction when confronted with the fact that there was zero evidence Crystal was ever raped. He claims that is opinion, not fact, that Crystal was not raped

"And he calls me uncommonly stupid."

I said uncommonly stupid or uncommonly ignorant. You seem ignorant of the principle of justice that a prosecutor is acting unethically when he takes a case to trial without probable cause. You talked about how Kim RObets/Pittman's behavior(which indicated Crystl had not been raped) should have been part of a trial.

Anonymous said...

One of Kenny's Pavlovian responses to the fact that the DNA found on Crystal matched the DNA of the men Nifong had indicted for rape, and Crystal alleged a gang rape in which multiple males penetrated her and left their bodily fluids on her, was that Nifong did not indict them for rape but only for sexual assault and kidnapping.

kenhyderal said...

I take it you meant did not match instead of matched.

guiowen said...

Wow! Kenny learned a new word! Now everything anyone does will be "Pavlovian".

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"I take it you meant did not match instead of matched."

Yes I meant did not match.

You still responded to that by claiming that nifong did not have the innocent Lacrosse players indicted for rae.d

Anonymous said...

Udaman Ubes.

Anonymous said...

It looks like Crystal won't be getting out of jail. We should all drop her a line.

https://youtu.be/FVuADSM8-YM

A Lawyer said...

What everyone seems to be ignoring is that Dr. Harr sabotaged Mangum's habeas corpus case by taking her Motion for Appropriate Relief and filing it in federal court instead of state court. Had the state court ruled on her claims first, Mangum would not have faced the legal rule which bars a federal court from ruling on claims that have not first been exhausted in state court.

Kenhyderal will now come in and talk about "esoteric and meaningless process." Ken, before you do that, why don't you explain to us the process used in Canada to get a federal court to review a murder conviction issued by a provincial court. I'll bet it's at least as arcane and complex as the U.S. system, if not more so.

More importantly, whether the rules used in the U.S. are good or bad, they are nonetheless the rules currently in force. So no one will be able to help Mangum if they do not follow those rules. Dr. Harr, from his actions, appears to be ignorant of those rules, unwilling to go to a law library to study those rules, and unwilling to ask a real lawyer to help him. The sad result is that Dr. Harr has, once again, sabotaged Mangum's case. (Unwittingly, I'm sure, but the result is the same.)

kenhyderal said...

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/f-h-buckley-a-better-country-with-fewer-lawyers https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/07/yes-u-s-locks-people-up-at-a-higher-rate-than-any-other-country/?utm_term=.ebdfdedc725b Do you really believe Dr. Harr and Crystal Mangum can get "real Lawyers" to help them given the North Carolina Bar Association's injunction against Dr. Harr? Those who can't buy justice like Crystal and those who care for her are on their own. For such individuals, demanding strict adherence to the esoteric and meaningless, in terms of a search for truth and justice, process are, in essence, being denied justice. It's easy for you, Walt and Lance to scoff at any such violations that Dr. Harr in his efforts to get Justice for Crystal has made. Anybody who knows all the facts including you three know that Crystal Mangum is not a murderer.

Anonymous said...

Kehyderal:

"http://nationalpost.com/opinion/f-h-buckley-a-better-country-with-fewer-lawyers https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/07/yes-u-s-locks-people-up-at-a-higher-rate-than-any-other-country/?utm_term=.ebdfdedc725b Do you really believe Dr. Harr and Crystal Mangum can get 'real Lawyers' to help them given the North Carolina Bar Association's injunction against Dr. Harr?"

Sidney Harr, the minimally trained medical school graduate who was never accepted into residency training and who never achieved medical board specialty certification was practicing law without a license. That is why he ran afoul of the NC Bar.

"Those who can't buy justice like Crystal and those who care for her are on their own."

Crystal is on her own not because she can not buy justice because she believes people like Sidney and Kenny who delude her into believing she is a victim. It is not justice to pass off a false rape accuser as a victim. Nor is it justice when a couple of ignorant people like Sidney and Kenny tell her she should get a pass for murdering Reginald Daye.

"For such individuals, demanding strict adherence to the esoteric and meaningless, in terms of a search for truth and justice, process are, in essence, being denied justice."

Curious statement from someone who has no real concept of justice, as evidenced by his insistence that innocent, falsely accused men should have been convicted of raping Crystal even though he provides zero evidence that the crime ever happened.

"It's easy for you, Walt and Lance to scoff at any such violations that Dr. Harr in his efforts to get Justice for Crystal has made."

At least you admit Sidney screwed up in his advocacy for getting Crystal a pass for her crimes.

"Anybody who knows all the facts including you three know that Crystal Mangum is not a murderer."

Another curious statement from Kenny who willfully denies the facts and then tries to bullshit his way through and around thefacts.

Now Kenny will cry and bawl about Duke Rape apologists, again manifesting his animosity towards people who are more accomplished than he is and are better off than he is.

Anonymous said...

Udaman Ubes.

Doogie Howser said...

Who is Ubes?

A Lawyer said...

Do you really believe Dr. Harr and Crystal Mangum can get "real Lawyers" to help them given the North Carolina Bar Association's injunction against Dr. Harr?

That injunction was to protect Mangum, and the rest of the public, from Dr. Harr's unlicensed and incompetent pretend-lawyering.

Maybe the US should have universal medical coverage the way Canada does. But for the moment it doesn't. That would not justify me, a lawyer, from performing surgery on a patient because he can't afford a real doctor.

And if, in defiance of the injunction, Dr. Harr still intended to help Mangum, what stopped him from going into a law library and reading a book on post-conviction remedies? Or asking his "good friend" Prof. Coleman for advice? Either of those steps might have prevented Dr. Harr from filing a state MAR in federal court, an action which torpedoed any chance Mangum had of getting a court to reverse her conviction.

A Lawyer said...

demanding strict adherence to the esoteric and meaningless, in terms of a search for truth and justice, process are, in essence, being denied justice.

If you file for a divorce in traffic court, or sue to foreclose a mortgage in divorce court, you will lose, regardless of the merits of your case. Dr. Harr filed Mangum's MAR in the wrong court.

A Lawyer said...

Anybody who knows all the facts including you three know that Crystal Mangum is not a murderer.

I know nothing of the sort.

Nifong Supporter said...


Post September 30, 2017 at about 11:00am was in violation of kenhyderal doctrine and was deleted.

kenhyderal said...

A Lawyer said: "That injunction was to protect Mangum, and the rest of the public,".....................................That would leave her with the half-hearted, inadequate legal assistance, the kind usually provided by Court Appointed Attorneys. Representation by those who really have no incentive to win her case but only go through the motions, no pun intended, as if doing so, has discharged their professional duty. Crystal accepted Meier's condition that she keep Dr. Harr out of the case and look what that got her. Don't even pretend you believe that he gave Crystal an adequate defence. No reasonable doubt? All the relevant information presented to the Jury? A proper investigation? An adequate time to prepare? Peterson never even kept her client Crystal informed. It seems as if Meier and you three have only contempt for Crystal, a poor, marginalized, black mother of three seemingly buying into the meta-narrative that she is an evil person.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"A Lawyer said: "That injunction was to protect Mangum, and the rest of the public,".....................................That would leave her with the half-hearted, inadequate legal assistance, the kind usually provided by Court Appointed Attorneys. Representation by those who really have no incentive to win her case but only go through the motions, no pun intended, as if doing so, has discharged their professional duty."

Kenhyderal again screeds because his favorite murdr=eress/false accuser did not get a pass for her crimes. What else is new.

"Crystal accepted Meier's condition that she keep Dr. Harr out of the case"

Which was the only rational decision crystal ever made in the case.

"and look what that got her."

It did not get her a pass for her crimes. She did not get a pass for her crimes because the facts proved her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. As A Lawyer pointed out, via Sidney's interference a Motion for Appropriate Relief which should have been filed in a State Court was instead filed in a Federal Court which had no authority to consider such a motion and, when the court graciously treated it as a motion for Habeas Corpus, it ruled correctly that Crystal had not exhausted her appeals or what gave you in state court. Sidney also thought he could sue the Wake County DA into interfering in a case in which she had no authority to interfere. How do these things indicate Sidney has ever provided Crystal with effective assistance? Has legally incompetent Sidney been allowed to what he calls "assist" Crystal, the most likely result would have been a conviction on Murder 1 and a sentence of life without parole.

"Don't even pretend you believe that he gave Crystal an adequate defence."

What are you going to do when I and others tell you Crystal's defense was inadequate because of her reliance on Sidney? Again call us a bunch of Duke Lacrosse apologists? Go ahead. You would only be acknowledging we know what happened in the Duke Rape Hoax and you do not.

"No reasonable doubt?"

There was no reasonable doubt that Crystal was guilty. That you reject that fact is irrelevant.

All the relevant information presented to the Jury?"

Yes there was. That you have a different opinion is, again, irrelevant.

"A proper investigation?"

Again your opinion based on your and Sidney's legal incompetence is irrelevant.

"An adequate time to prepare?"

Crystal herself wasted a lot of time which could have been used constructively to prepare a defense via her willful refusal, urged on by legal incompetent Sidney, to cooperate with her attorneys.

"Peterson never even kept her client Crystal informed."

Yes she did. She gave her the information that she, as an expert witness, which neither you nor Sidney are, agreed with Dr. Nichols' opinion. Dr. Nichols was also an expert witness.

"It seems as if Meier and you three have only contempt for Crystal, a poor, marginalized, black mother of three seemingly buying into the meta-narrative that she is an evil person."

The only metanarrative affecting Crystal in the Reginald Daye murder is the one you and Sidney are pushing, that she was prosecuted in retaliation for her accusations or rape against the Lacrosse players. It seems irrelevant to you and Sidney that the allegations she made were false.

Anonymous said...

Udaman Ubes.

Doogie Howser said...

Dr. Harr,

When will Ms. Mangum be released from prison?

Anonymous said...

Kenhydeeral:

When you refer to certain people as Duke Lacrosse Apologists you acknowledge people who defend falsely accused of a crime which never happened, wrongfully prosecuted for said non existent crime. You presume them guilty of said non existent crime because 1) the false accuser was black and 2) the falsely accused were Caucasian. That does make you a guilt presuming racist.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous Doogie Howser said...
Dr. Harr,

When will Ms. Mangum be released from prison?

October 5, 2017 at 5:44 PM


Hey, Doogie.

She will be released sooner than anyone expects. Hopefully by Halloween. One reason for my optimism is that the State executive branch (NC Attorney General's Office) interfered with the Federal judicial branch in order to get Mangum's Habeas Corpus dismissed. What happened is that the District Court Judge only had the Magistrate's Recommendation to examine prior to ruling on the Habeas Corpus. The Objection by Mangum was withheld from her... most likely due to sinister actions by the NC Attorney General's Office. Everything is documented on Pacermonitor.

I would be interested in seeing if you believe that Mangum got a fair hearing under these circumstances. You see, the only way that the State Attorney General's Office could prevail in Mangum's Habeas Corpus was by cheating.

You heard it here first!

Nifong Supporter said...


Oops. Doogie, I forgot to include a link .

My bad.

Nifong Supporter said...


Oops. Wrong link. Try this one .

My double bad.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous A Lawyer said...
demanding strict adherence to the esoteric and meaningless, in terms of a search for truth and justice, process are, in essence, being denied justice.

If you file for a divorce in traffic court, or sue to foreclose a mortgage in divorce court, you will lose, regardless of the merits of your case. Dr. Harr filed Mangum's MAR in the wrong court.

October 5, 2017 at 12:44 PM


Hey, A Lawyer.

If you don't file for a divorce or sue to foreclose a mortgage in any court, you will never get redress of perceived wrongs or legal satisfaction. That's what's been happening to Mangum. Her post-conviction attorneys never filed anything... Period! Simply because they did not want her to walk free.

Better to file in the wrong court than not to file at all. For example, Mangum filed an MAR in Federal Court. The court realized what the Pro Ser wanted to accomplish, so the court generously changed her MAR into a Habeas Corpus and allowed her the opportunity to correct her filing... which she did. Ergo, an example that it is better to file, than not to file.

Consider yourself elucidated and enlightened.

A Lawyer said...

She will be released sooner than anyone expects. Hopefully by Halloween.

Not a chance.

One reason for my optimism is that the State executive branch (NC Attorney General's Office) interfered with the Federal judicial branch in order to get Mangum's Habeas Corpus dismissed. What happened is that the District Court Judge only had the Magistrate's Recommendation to examine prior to ruling on the Habeas Corpus. The Objection by Mangum was withheld from her... most likely due to sinister actions by the NC Attorney General's Office. Everything is documented on Pacermonitor.

Pacermonitor shows nothing of the sort. All the AG's office did was tell the judge that they wouldn't be responding to Mangum's objections. How does that show that they "withheld" those objections from the judge?

To the contrary, Pacermonitor shows that Mangum's objections were on file before the judge ruled, and that the judge's attention was specifically called to their existence.

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr:

"Hey, Doogie.

She will be released sooner than anyone expects. Hopefully by Halloween. One reason for my optimism is that the State executive branch (NC Attorney General's Office) interfered with the Federal judicial branch in order to get Mangum's Habeas Corpus dismissed. What happened is that the District Court Judge only had the Magistrate's Recommendation to examine prior to ruling on the Habeas Corpus. The Objection by Mangum was withheld from her... most likely due to sinister actions by the NC Attorney General's Office. Everything is documented on Pacermonitor.

I would be interested in seeing if you believe that Mangum got a fair hearing under these circumstances. You see, the only way that the State Attorney General's Office could prevail in Mangum's Habeas Corpus was by cheating.

You heard it here first!"

Who else would Doogie hear ofSidney's deluded megalomania except from the delusional megalomaniac himself.

Anonymous said...

Sidney Harr:

"Hey, A Lawyer.

If you don't file for a divorce or sue to foreclose a mortgage in any court, you will never get redress of perceived wrongs or legal satisfaction. That's what's been happening to Mangum. Her post-conviction attorneys never filed anything... Period! Simply because they did not want her to walk free.

Better to file in the wrong court than not to file at all. For example, Mangum filed an MAR in Federal Court. The court realized what the Pro Ser wanted to accomplish, so the court generously changed her MAR into a Habeas Corpus and allowed her the opportunity to correct her filing... which she did. Ergo, an example that it is better to file, than not to file.

Consider yourself elucidated and enlightened."

Here Sidney again shows he is incapable of enlightening any one or of providing any one with enlightenment. He can not even elucidate himself or enlighten himself.

Doogie Howser said...

Dr. Harr:

Thank you for your response to my post. I will study more closely the information on the link to Pacemonitor.

I have another question for you. Are you discouraged by the fact that no one is working with you on your efforts to free Ms. Mangum? I asked kenhyderal what steps he was taking to win Ms. Mangum's release and he ignored my question. Has kenhyderal assisted you?

kenhyderal said...

@ Doogie Howser: I usually ignore requests for information from anonymous posters like you. The exception being the outrageous Dr. Anonymous whose posts are easy to identify by his peculiar style, his knee-jerk responses and his penchant for ad hominem attacks.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"@ Doogie Howser: I usually ignore requests for information from anonymous posters like you. The exception being the outrageous Dr. Anonymous whose posts are easy to identify by his peculiar style, his knee-jerk responses and his penchant for ad hominem attacks."

What kenhydral calls ad hominem attacks are documentation that he is a guilt presuming racist, and he wants to hide from the truth.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

When it is pointed out that you presume guilt on the part of the members of the Lacrosse team who were wrongly indicted and prosecuted for rape, when you have zero evidence that Crystal was raped, zero evidence that Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she ahd been raped, how does that add up to an ad hominem attack. Only someone afraid of the truth would call it so.

Anonymous said...


Kenny the Hypocrite:

When you whine about ad hominem attacks, do you mean ad hominem attacks like this from you:

"That would leave her with the half-hearted, inadequate legal assistance, the kind usually provided by Court Appointed Attorneys. Representation by those who really have no incentive to win her case but only go through the motions, no pun intended, as if doing so, has discharged their professional duty. Crystal accepted Meier's condition that she keep Dr. Harr out of the case and look what that got her. Don't even pretend you believe that he gave Crystal an adequate defence. No reasonable doubt? All the relevant information presented to the Jury? A proper investigation? An adequate time to prepare? Peterson never even kept her client Crystal informed. It seems as if Meier and you three have only contempt for Crystal . . .."

You are a hypocrite, a liar and a low brow troll.

Doogie Howser said...

You lie, kenhyderal. I am not an anonymous poster

kenhyderal said...

Dr. A. Said: "When you whine about ad hominem attacks, do you mean ad hominem attacks like this from you" .................................................. It's obvious Dr. A doesn't know what an ad hominem attack is. An example for him would be the following quote from him, about me, "he is a guilt presuming racist"

kenhyderal said...

@ Doogie. Huh? Stop typing in the user name Doogie Howser and register it with google or just uncheck post anonymously. Sincerely: Kenneth D. Edwards

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"Dr. A. Said: "When you whine about ad hominem attacks, do you mean ad hominem attacks like this from you" .................................................. It's obvious Dr. A doesn't know what an ad hominem attack is. An example for him would be the following quote from him, about me, 'he is a guilt presuming racist'".

That you are a guilt presuming racist is an obvious truth, obvious to everyone except you and Sidney.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

Like it or not, the prosecution of the indicted Duke Lacrosse players was racist from the outset. Nifong himself publicly declared that members of the Lacrosse team had perpetrated the alleged crime and that the alleged crime was racially motivated.

You obviously support the racially motivated prosecution of the Lacrosse players, even though there was no probable cause to prosecute. You obviously believe members of the Lacrosse team were guilty of perpetrating a sex crime against Czrystal.

Deny it if you will, but your support of the prosecution of the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players does designate you as a guilt presuming racist.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

Why Nifong's prosecution of the Lacrosse players was racist.

Nifong wanted to be elected DA of Durham County. For a Democrat to win an election in Durham County, one needed to win the Democratic Primary. To win the Democratic Primary, one needed the support of the black electorate. There was only one poll done before the Democratic primary, the poll showing Nifong had the support of 20% of the electorate to Freida Black's 38%. No one was contributing money to his campaign.

Then Crystal made her allegation, she had been raped at the Lacrosse party by a number of well to do white men(remember Devon Sherwood was not required to give a sample for DNA testing because Crystal had alleged her assailants were white). And Nifong played up the white on black crime angle in his public statements about the alleged crime.

Some people have said that if the accused had been black, then the perpetrators would have been treated rather harshly. That is false. Had the accused been black, Nifong would never have made an issue of the case. He would not have gotten the support of the black electorate by prosecuting black defendants. I give you again the example of Michael Jermaine Burch, who was treated very leniently after he raped a white coed at at a fraternity party.

Nifong's prosecution of the Lacrosse defendants, in the face of zero evidence the alleged crime ever happened, was motivated by racism. That you endorse Nifong's prosecution of the Duke Lacrosse defendants does make you a guilt presuming racist.

Now go ahead and honor me again by calling me a Duke Lacrosse apologist.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"a·pol·o·gist

noun:

a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial."

The only thing controversial in the Duke Rape Hoax was the filing of charges of rape against the Duke Lacrosse players. The only one who is defending the filing of those charges, besides Sidney, is you. Ergo, the only real Duke Lacrosse apologists are you and Sidney.

I say again, calling me a Duke Lacrosse apologist because I advocate for the wrongfully accused Lacrosse players I consider that an honor, but unlike you and Sidney I do not at all defend Nifong's wrongful prosecution of the Duke Lacrossse players.

Anonymous said...

Blogger kenhyderal said...
Excuse my lack of knowledge on the minutiae of the case but were all there present, at this house party, members of the LAX Team and were all there present tested for their DNA? Were there any invited non-team members or party-crashers present?

May 31, 2010 at 2:28 PM

kenhyderal said...

That's not something I said at least not for many years now. But to answer that question, all Duke Lacrosse Players were tested including, oddly enough, even those who were never present; some of them were even out of town at the time. Only two non-Player guests were tested. Two who just happened to appear in cell phone photographs of the dancing; photographs that, by the way, didn't include some Players known to be there. To my knowledge no comprehensive list of attendees was ever compiled or if one was it has never been released. Attorney General Cooper in a report has declared the three charged innocent but the investigative notes have been sealed. Investigative Journalist and Author Wm. Cohan made an effort to obtain the investigation notes for his book on the case "The Price of Silence" My contention is that unidentified Party attendees raped Crystal. I base this on two factors. First DNA extracted from sperm unexplained by Crystal's easily verified consensual sexual history was found on her rape kit. Second communication from a former Poster on this blog whose user name was The Great Kilgo. He precipitously disappeared from here and went through the time consuming process of deleting all his posts. Scared off or bought off? He claimed to be a friend of a Duke Lacrosse Player who was at the Party that told him that unidentified Party Guests had done the rape. He claimed that at the time of the incident there was more guests at the Party then actual Players. Kilgo, through Crystal's boyfriend once made a substantial donation to Crystal's bail in her vindictive laid charge of arson. When a Durham Bail Bondsman put up her bail gratis the money raised towards her bail held in trust with a Lawyer was refunded to the donors. Kilgo generously gave his refund to Crystal. Mischief makers on this blog claiming to be Kilgo surface from time to time but I have ascertained that they are not genuine.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

Part 1:

"That's not something I said at least not for many years now. But to answer that question, all Duke Lacrosse Players were tested including, oddly enough, even those who were never present; some of them were even out of town at the time. Only two non-Player guests were tested. Two who just happened to appear in cell phone photographs of the dancing; photographs that, by the way, didn't include some Players known to be there. To my knowledge no comprehensive list of attendees was ever compiled or if one was it has never been released."

First this presumes a fact not at all in evidence, that you have knowledge of the case, something you and Sidney do repeatedly. I repeat, since you are the one asserting that unidentified party attendees raped Crystal(in the face of zero evidence that she was raped), it is incumbent upon you to establish there were unidentified party attendees. The presence of DNA from unidentified males does not establish that. You, yourself, have said the timing of DNA deposition could not be determined. You can not establish the DNA was deposited on Crystal at the party.

"Attorney General Cooper in a report has declared the three charged innocent but the investigative notes have been sealed."

Another fallacy. The only data sealed in the Duke Rape Hoax was Crystal's psychiatric history, ordered sealed by the court, not by then Attorney General Cooper. AG Cooper did not declare the defendants innocent. At his press conference, he said that his office had investigated the case thoroughly(something Nifong, by your own admission did not do), found no corroborating evidence, no corroborating witnesses, got only multiple conflicting versions of what happened from Crystal, and had concluded that the defendants were innocent. They were innocent because the crime, of which they had been presumed guilty, had not happened. They were innocent as a matter of fact, not proclamation. Your opinion to the contrary is meaningless.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

Part 2:

"Investigative Journalist and Author Wm. Cohan made an effort to obtain the investigation notes for his book on the case 'The Price of Silence'".

Presumes another fact not in evidence that William Cohan is an investigative journalist. It has been noted that Cohan's screed included no source notes, no bibliography, meaning he provided zero factual evidence to back up what he said. He did cite Nifong's claim that the AG's investigators felt they had been sandbagged when AG Cooper expressed his opinion, based on zero evidence the alleged crime ever happened, that the indicted Lacrosse players were innocent. AG Cooper's investigators urged the AG to state that the Lacrosse players were innocent. Res Ipsa Loquitur evidence that Cohan never seriously investigated the situation.

"My contention is that unidentified Party attendees raped Crystal. I base this on two factors. First DNA extracted from sperm unexplained by Crystal's easily verified consensual sexual history was found on her rape kit."

You should have said Crystal's KNOWN history of sexual contacts with other men. Presumes her known sexual history was her complete sexual history.

"Second communication from a former Poster on this blog whose user name was The Great Kilgo. He precipitously disappeared from here and went through the time consuming process of deleting all his posts. Scared off or bought off?"

Scared off. Scared off because he knew he would be exposed as a fraud.

"He claimed to be a friend of a Duke Lacrosse Player who was at the Party that told him that unidentified Party Guests had done the rape. He claimed that at the time of the incident there was more guests at the Party then actual Players."

I was familiar with Kilgo. I repeat, Kilgo bragged he knew more about what happened than anyone. I repeatedly challenged him to put up or shut up. Kilgo always backed down. That says Kilgo knew nothing about the incident.

"Kilgo, through Crystal's boyfriend once made a substantial donation to Crystal's bail in her vindictive laid charge of arson."

Presumes another fact not in evidence. The arson charge was not vindictive. Crystal set her boyfrend's clothes on fire, a fire which caused extensive damage to her boyfriend's apartment. Sidney, whom you admire so much, claimed the police set the fire in order to frame Crystal. Then Sidney backed off when it was pointed out to him that Crystal admitted setting the fire.

"When a Durham Bail Bondsman put up her bail gratis the money raised towards her bail held in trust with a Lawyer was refunded to the donors. Kilgo generously gave his refund to Crystal. Mischief makers on this blog claiming to be Kilgo surface from time to time but I have ascertained that they are not genuine."

Correction. You claim they are not genuine. You have never explained anything in the screeds you have published on this blog. When asked to verify this claim, first you claimed Kolgo made this claim in a post on J4N which he subsequently deleted. Then you claimed he made the claim in an email he sent to you which you no longer have. In any event, Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player friend has never surfaced, and it has been more than 10 years since the Duke Rape hoax became news. That is evidence which says that Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player friend does not exist. And it is a distinct possibility, based on the fact that you have presented zero evidence that Kilgo ever told you anything about an anonymous Lacrosse player friend, that you fabricated this.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"But to answer that question, all Duke Lacrosse Players were tested including, oddly enough, even those who were never present; some of them were even out of town at the time."

All Caucasian Lacrosse players were tested because Crystal alleged her attackers were white. They were tested as a result of a Non Testimonial Order obtained by the Durham DA's office.

NC law requires that there must be probable cause to believe the subjects of an NTO were perpetrators. In all her contradicting accounts of the alleged crime, Crystal never claimed each and every Caucasian member of the Lacrosse team raped her. The NTO was over reaching and was not proper.

Some have claimed that the Lacrosse team members did not submit to testing until ordered to do so. That is false. The team captains voluntarily gave samples for DNA analysis before the NTO.

Lawyers for the Lacrosse players could have successfully contested the NTO. However the Lacrosse players complied with it rather than contest it.

More evidence that you do not know squat about the Duke Lacrosse rape hoax.

Anonymous said...


Kenny trolled:

"Dr. A. Said: 'When you whine about ad hominem attacks, do you mean ad hominem attacks like this from you' .................................................. It's obvious Dr. A doesn't know what an ad hominem attack is. An example for him would be the following quote from him, about me, 'he is a guilt presuming racist'"

I am not Dr. A (who you claimed you could easily identify).

I know what an ad hominem attack is and I gave you an example of one of the many you make on a regular basis.

Troll on, Kenny, troll on.

Anonymous said...

It's funny ... Kenny bases his entire belief in the Duke Lacrosse mystery rapists on an anonymous poster who made 1 comment, then later left. Yet Walt, A Lawyer, and many others, post information about what Sid is screwing up, providing proof, and Kenny refuses to acknowledge it.

That's why you are an idiot Kenny - you clearly have an agenda and conclusions in mind, and no matter how far fetched, anything that supports your preconceived notions is to be believed, and no matter how clear, and how well researched and supported, anything that challenges you is to be ignored.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "It's funny ... Kenny bases his entire belief in the Duke Lacrosse mystery rapists on an anonymous poster who made 1 comment, then later left. Yet Walt, A Lawyer, and many others, post information about what Sid is screwing up, providing proof, and Kenny refuses to acknowledge it".......................We all know Crystal's present treatment by the North Carolina Justice System relates back to her accusation of rape against the scions of privilege but at the time of the Duke Lacrosse Case Dr. Harr was not involved with obtaining justice for Crystal but Justice for former DA Nifong. There were no instances where Walt etc. were giving him advice. They were however attacking him over his support of DA Nifong. No, the main basis for my belief is what Crystal told me happened to her. Kilgo was a constant poster here from the time of it's inception and long before I discovered this blog. When I came on the scene he was posting frequently and the information he offered coincided more with what Crystal had told me happened than did what the Duke Lacrosse Apologists offered. Kilgo constantly challenged their take. His post numbered in the many hundreds. He left precipitously but spent the many hours required to delete nearly every post he made especially those where he claimed he had inside information about the real story. He was especially critical of David Evans and claimed to have a photo of him with a moustache.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "I know what an ad hominem attack is and I gave you an example of one of the many you make on a regular basis"........................ In my opinion what you presented is not an ad hominem attach. It certainly doesn't reach the level of Dr. A's attacks on me as a racist and a nazi

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: "It's funny ... Kenny bases his entire belief in the Duke Lacrosse mystery rapists on an anonymous poster who made 1 comment, then later left. Yet Walt, A Lawyer, and many others, post information about what Sid is screwing up, providing proof, and Kenny refuses to acknowledge it".......................We all know Crystal's present treatment by the North Carolina Justice System relates back to her accusation of rape against the scions of privilege but at the time of the Duke Lacrosse Case"

Wrong as usual for Kenny. Crystal made false allegations against the Lacrosse players in the Duke Rape Hoax. Her present treatment by the NC Justice system happened because she murdered Reginald Daye. Where do you get we all know? You have repeatedly shown you know nothing.

Dr. Harr was not involved with obtaining justice for Crystal but Justice for former DA Nifong. There were no instances where Walt etc. were giving him advice. They were however attacking him over his support of DA Nifong."

What everyone knows is that DA Nifong prosecuted innocent men for a crime which never happened. Sidney denies Nifong's corruption. Sidney is not advocating for Justice for Nifong, he is advocating for a pass for Nifong for his corrupt actions, similar to his advocacy for a pass for murderess/false accuser Crystal, to his advocacy that felony murderer Shan Carter get a pass for his crimes. True justice for Nifong would have been a felony conviction, a stiff fine and a long prison term.

"No, the main basis for my belief is what Crystal told me happened to her."

You mean, you believed the lies she told. I remind you neither you nor Sidney have provided any evidence Crystal ever told the truth/

"Kilgo was a constant poster here from the time of it's inception and long before I discovered this blog. When I came on the scene he was posting frequently and the information he offered coincided more with what Crystal had told me happened than did what the Duke Lacrosse Apologists offered."

In other words you believed the lies of someone who bought into Crystal's lies and rejected the truths, the FACTS which do not mesh with your guilt presuming racism.

"Kilgo constantly challenged their take. His post numbered in the many hundreds. He left precipitously but spent the many hours required to delete nearly every post he made especially those where he claimed he had inside information about the real story."

I remind you, when Kilgo was challenged to either put up or shut up, he always backed down. Like you have zero evidence that Crystal had been raped, Kilgo provided zero evidence evidence he had any knowledge of the Duke Rape Hoax situation.

"He was especially critical of David Evans and claimed to have a photo of him with a moustache."

So explain why none of the photos posted of David Evans following the rape allegations ever showed him with a mustache? You can't answer that, can you. Explain why, more than 10 years after the Duke Rape Hoax became news, no picture of David Evans with a mustache has ever surfaced.

I can tell you why Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player has ever turned up. He does not exist.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: "I know what an ad hominem attack is and I gave you an example of one of the many you make on a regular basis"........................ In my opinion what you presented is not an ad hominem attach. It certainly doesn't reach the level of Dr. A's attacks on me as a racist and a nazi"

Kenny, what you advocate is that people you denounce as criminals should be convicted even though you can provide zero evidence that the crime of which you believe them guilty ever happened. That is a characteristic of a totalitarian regime, like Nazi Germany. Heil, Kenny.

Nifong's wrongful prosecution of the Lacrosse players was designed to appeal to racist attitudes in the Black electorate of Durham. You approve of Nifong's actions. That makes you a racist, even if you are in denial.

Anonymous said...

Udaman Ubes.

Anonymous said...

More hominy grits?

Anonymous said...

Kilgo was simply another troll who fed Kenny. Like others who post here, he eventually tired of the game, and moved on.

What's sad, if I said that I had absolute proof and the names of non-players who were at the party, and raped Crystal, but I was too scared to reveal them, Kenny would take that as proof Crystal was raped - even though I provide zero evidence or anything else.

Kenny, you aren't a racist/nazi, you are just an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Racists and Nazis are and were idiots.

Anonymous said...

Ken,

Is it possible that you are as uninformed as the comments you post on this blog indicate?

kenhyderal supporter said...

Keep in mind that kenhyderal usually ignores requests for information from anonymous posters like you. The exception being the outrageous Dr. Anonymous whose posts are easy to identify by his peculiar style, his knee-jerk responses and his penchant for ad hominem attacks.

Anonymous said...


What do we want? Justice for Nifong!

When do we want it? Now!

Anonymous said...

True Justice for Nifong would have been a felony criminal conviction, a stiff fine, a long prison term and a stiff civil judgment against him.

Anonymous said...

Let's have a little justice for the Fong. Deliverance style.

Anonymous said...

Where is kenhyderal the troll?

Anonymous said...

Kenny is busy doing some incredibly important things. You’ll find out soon enough.

Anonymous said...

Oh, Kenny Mack, Kenny
Oh, Kenny Mack
When are you comin' back?

Anonymous said...

The hatred and evil displayed by duke and it's supporters, the lies, misdeeds, and outright bullying behavior - all these things are indicative and example of duke to many now. It has become what duke is to most.

There is no reason to trust them anymore with these new facts emerging about the medical error and coverup. The question about would duke kill a patient in order to frame someone, would they continue to cause harm and chaos in order to cause a problem that will require more civil rights and freedoms be taken from the US citizens in order to solve their duke made mess is very real. It is what they do. It is never ending.

How do you file a complaint about this death by malpractice and medical examiner's discrepancies, etc., and where do you file, and to whom? How do you get all services from duke stopped that require trust until they can be proven to be trustworthy in their medical services, especially.

Would you let a doctor treat you who you suspected of belonging to an organization who would kill you if they were trying to frame someone else, or even if they have issues with your beliefs about things, or for any other reason they consider worthy of their killing? Or from an organization who are the cause of so much societal nonwell-being to so many in general?

Many would not, so there are real issues with duke and co. by many because of all that has transpired between duke, durham, and all these cases of late.

Fake Guiowen said...

Hey, it’s CryBully!
Are you CryBully Tinfoil, or are you the other CryBully?

Anonymous said...

Kenny and Sidney too daunted to publish under their own names.

Anonymous said...

"How do you file a complaint about this death by malpractice and medical examiner's discrepancies, etc., and where do you file, and to whom? How do you get all services from duke stopped that require trust until they can be proven to be trustworthy in their medical services, especially."

Pay a lawyer to sue Duke.

Anonymous said...

And, if a lawyer had a decent process of winning a malpractice suit against Duke, and winning a substantial judgment for his/her client, that lawyer would have handled the case on a contingency basis, meaning the client would not have to pay him/her if the lawyer did not win a judgment. Most likely, if the case had merit it would never go to trial, Duke would have settled.

Remember, Duke settled with the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse defendants rather than defend against them in court which, in spite of any confidentiality agreement and any deluded speculation on the part of Kenny and Sidney, was an admission they could not prevail in court.

Fake guiowen said...

Do you expect Tinfoil to spend money?

Anonymous said...

Tinfoil might try to convince a lawyer to represent him in a lawsuit for a contingency fee, to sue certain posters on J4N, e.g. evil duke troll. He would have as much a chance as Sidney has in getting Crystal's conviction overturned.

Anonymous said...

Tinfoil = Jacquie Wagstaff

Anonymous said...

"How do you file a complaint about this death by malpractice and medical examiner's discrepancies, etc., and where do you file, and to whom? How do you get all services from duke stopped that require trust until they can be proven to be trustworthy in their medical services, especially."

Call the police.

Anonymous said...

Blah Blah Blah

That's enough from the evil duke trolls

Anonymous said...

"How do you file a complaint about this death by malpractice and medical examiner's discrepancies, etc., and where do you file, and to whom? How do you get all services from duke stopped that require trust until they can be proven to be trustworthy in their medical services, especially."

https://www.jointcommission.org/report_a_complaint.aspx

Anonymous said...

will you evil duke trolls ever stop cyberbullying me and committing hate crimes against me?

Anonymous said...

Sidney and Kenny too intimidated to post under their own names.

Anonymous said...

"How do you file a complaint about this death by malpractice and medical examiner's discrepancies, etc., and where do you file, and to whom? How do you get all services from duke stopped that require trust until they can be proven to be trustworthy in their medical services, especially."

https://www.ncdhhs.gov/contact/report-fraud

Fake guiowen said...

CryBully cry!
You make Ken Edwards sigh:
He’s old enough to know better,
So CryBully cry!

Anonymous said...

fake g you are a hate criminal and cyberbully just like your twin evil duke troll g and this is the last time I will you to stop trolling and cyberbullying me or I will report you to the Durham police

Anonymous said...

I bet g is trembling, just like DA Freeman was trembling over Sidney's glaringly obviously frivolous, non meritorious lawsuit against her.

Anonymous said...

Kenny and Sidney remain too intimidated to post.

A Lawyer said...

this is the last time I will you to stop trolling and cyberbullying me or I will report you to the Durham police

You are going to file a police report against whom? "Anon"?

And what crime are you going to accuse him of-- Aggravated ridicule? Butthurt in the second degree?

People have a First Amendment right to post their opinions on the internet, even if you don't like what they say. No one has threatened you with violence or done anything illegal.

Anonymous said...

What doe we want?

Justice for Nifong!

When do we want it?

Now!

guiowen said...

CryBully cry!
You make Ken Edwards sigh:
He’s old enough to know better,
So CryBully cry!

guiowen said...

I am trembling! Can you imagine what Crybully Tinfoil will do to me?