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...By all means keep making up excuses for your favorite murderess. It does make for entertaining reading.
Cheers!
Yes, but you can protect yourself from an enraged and violent drunk person who is attacking you, even with the knife that they just threw at you if you have to to protect your own life without thinking should you let the attacker kill you or should you risk going to jail to save your own life because Duke might kill with their deadly malpractice to use the left over body parts for profit (or something - whatever crossing your mind at the time that you make the split decision to save yourself or worry about Duke's malicious malpractice).
By all means keep making up excuses for your favorite murderess. It does make for entertaining reading.
Ms. Mangum did NOT murder Mr. Daye. Mr. Daye was mobile, the stab wound was declared mended successfully by the Duke surgeon, and he definetely was Not dead until Duke 'pulled the plug' after they claimed him to be 'brain dead' because they could do that - so they did (the most basic reason for their actions that none could deny).
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ms. Mangum did NOT murder Mr. Daye. Mr. Daye was mobile, the stab wound was declared mended successfully by the Duke surgeon, and he definetely was Not dead until Duke 'pulled the plug' after they claimed him to be 'brain dead' because they could do that - so they did (the most basic reason for their actions that none could deny).
September 16, 2015 at 7:55 AM"
Wrong. crystal did kill Reginald Daye.
By all means keep making up excuses for your favorite murderess. It does make for entertaining reading.
@ Abe: There is no denying that Daye was a chronic alcoholic. Anyone who knew him was aware of that; despite how they couched their testimony in court. Only those who hate Crystal absurdly deny this fact. Only an alcoholic can, hurl knives, kick down a bathroom door, drag someone out, try to choke them to death and despite being stabbed in the side continue to walk and talk all with a blood alcohol concentration of 296mg/dl. Only an alcohol goes into alcohol withdrawal and delirium tremens when his consumption is interrupted by hospitalization.
By all means keep making up excuses for your favorite murderess. It does make for entertaining reading.
kenny:
There was no testimony or evidence that Mr. Daye was an alcoholic and it doesn't matter.
If you stab a morbidly obese man and he has a heart attack while walking to the hospital and dies, you are responsible for his death. If you stab a hemophiliac and he bleeds to death, you are responsible for his death. If you stab an alcoholic and he has goes into severe alcohol withdrawal and dies, you are responsible for his death. If you stab a person and he falls into the road and is hit by a car and dies, you are responsible for his death. If you stab a person and the ambulance gets lost or breaks down on the way to the hospital and he dies, you are responsible for his death. If you stab a person and the hospital screws up in treating him and he dies, you are responsible for his death.
There is no scenario which has been presented and is supported by the facts and evidence where Mangum is not responsible for Mr. Daye's death. No amount of masturdebating will change that. Refusal by Mangum to accept responsibility for her actions will only hurt her when she comes up for release.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Anonymous said:The most abusive thing Sid and Kenny do is continue to tell Crystal, and try and convince her, that Dr Roberts and others are intentionally lying to protect Duke and Dr. Nichols - never mind that duke is often sued, and Dr Roberts is often an expert against Duke and the State. There is zero evidence she doesn't believe what she said - and so she would have destroyed Crystal on the stand, not broken down and admitted to some vast conspiracy" ...................................Dr. Roberts did not testify. She didn't have to lie. Saying in her report, that was never entered into evidence, that she believed Daye's death was due an unknown complication of his wound would, in my opinion, never be able to stand up to cross-examination.
@ Abe: You forgot about Mrs. Amety
If it is negligent malpractice not related to the stab wound then the hospital is responsible by law. That is why the in-justice system is covering up the malpractice, which really says so much worse about Duke then even the fact that they killed Mr. Daye with their malpractice. If you want to cheer that type in-justice on, then why do you hate Ms. Mangum so much? It was the same in-justice system and Duke who were at fault in the lacrosse case, just like now. Where's the difference (except this time the crimes are even more severe and effect the safety and well-being of all)? Ya gonna cheer this on to see what else Duke and the Durham in-justice system are going to do next to destroy lives - even at the expense of Duke itself?
Abe said: "Refusal by Mangum to accept responsibility for her actions will only hurt her when she comes up for release"............................................ You guys love that sort of scenario. Plea deals, pleading guilty when innocent, claiming to be sorry for what you did not do and all that. It salves your conscience
kenhyderal said...
"@ Abe: There is no denying that Daye was a chronic alcoholic. Anyone who knew him was aware of that; despite how they couched their testimony in court."
kenny is seriously deluded in his attempts to get his favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
kenhyderal said...
"[Dr. Roberts] Saying in her report, that was never entered into evidence, that she believed Daye's death was due an unknown complication of his wound would, in my opinion, never be able to stand up to cross-examination."
kenny's opinion, like mr. harr's time, is worth less than 0.00001 pre euro Italian Lire.
kenhyderal said...
"You guys love that sort of scenario. Plea deals, pleading guilty when innocent, claiming to be sorry for what you did not do and all that. It salves your conscience"
Another iteration of kenny wanting a pass for his favorite murderess/false accuser for her crimes.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"If it is negligent malpractice not related to the stab wound then the hospital is responsible by law. That is why the in-justice system is covering up the malpractice".
Except no one has established that mal practice took place. mr. harr's lack of medical qualifications renders him incapable of establishing neligent malpractice. kenny hissyfit is even less qualified.
kenhyderal said...
"[Dr. Roberts] Saying in her report, that was never entered into evidence, that she believed Daye's death was due an unknown complication of his wound would, in my opinion, never be able to stand up to cross-examination."
kenny's opinion, like mr. harr's time, is worth less than 0.00001 pre euro Italian Lire.
Correction:
kenny's opinion, like mr. harr's time per millenium, is worth less than 0.00001 pre euro Italian Lire.
Except that you keep assuming that no one talked to Dr. Roberts - they knew what she'd say on the stand, and it would have been bad for Crystal.
You are still an abusive, lying idiot Kenny.
kenny prevaricated:
"Abe said: 'Refusal by Mangum to accept responsibility for her actions will only hurt her when she comes up for release'............................................ You guys love that sort of scenario. Plea deals, pleading guilty when innocent, claiming to be sorry for what you did not do and all that. It salves your conscience"
There was no plea deal or guilty plea in Mangum's case; she was found guilty after a trial.
Only profoundly and dangerously mentally ill people are unable to differentiate between right and wrong and only sociopaths have no remorse for their wrongful actions. Both need to be institutionalized because they pose a grave and imminent risk to others.
I don't give a steamy crap about anyone's conscience. The issue is the safety and well being of everyone else.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
I'm sure the duke people are shaking in their boots as you preach Abe, Not! Especially the one(s) who caused the brain death, Not, because ya know they know they are protected by their ability to be sociopaths and continue to allow Ms. Mangum to pay the price for their errors by the other sociopaths in charge of what Duke has done in this case so far and by the Duke/Durham/NC in-justice system who enables them.
Maybe Duke is just doing research into their own sociopathic tendencies. That makes it all seem like the right thing to do to them, don't ya know. Who knows what they may discover to 'help' all the other sociopaths in the world. They could become famous for their daring sociopathic research into the minds and behavior of Duke medical people.
"If it is negligent malpractice not related to the stab wound then the hospital is responsible by law."
The stab wound put Mr. Daye in the hospital. Even if Daye's injuries were aggravated or increased by the negligence, mistake, or lack of skill of a physician or surgeon, the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment.
Mangum is responsible -- by law.
The jury rejected self-defense (and Sid and Kenny have acknowledged it was argued) - that means the question was/is no longer guilty or not guilty, but Manslaughter v. Murder. Whine, cry, lie all you want - without self-defense, no matter what happened at Duke, the best case was some level of manslaughter, worst case was 1st Degree (but not because of the Felony Murder rule - as has been repeatedly noted - that was never in play).
September 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM
That is not how the judge in the trial explained the law that governed Ms. Mangum's trial, so no, that is incorrect.
September 16, 2015 at 11:45 AM
I don't think anyone on this blog would accept the legal representation given to Ms. Mangum by the Durham public defender's office for themselves, and certainly not that of Mr. Meier. It was ineffective, conflicted, biased, and unprepared for a trial to any level of degree that would be acceptable to any but those whom hold hatred for Ms. Mangum and/or are conflicted by Duke.
By all means keep making up excuses for your favorite murderess. It does make for entertaining reading.
She isn't a murderess. I have no favorite murderer btw. Where do you get that from anyway? Is she your favorite scrape-goat for duke?
You are an idiot, a complete and total idiot. I don't think anyone would accept anything from you. You can't even put together a coherent sentence.
And, where did Meier go wrong on the self-defense? You claim he was unprepared - where? Other than the debunked Medical stuff - where was he unprepared?
Back your words up.
Fake Kenhyderal said...
Sid -- You failed to even acknowledge the most important part of my post -- that the request must come from the interviewer through the Public Affairs Office.
If, as you posted, the request came from Mangum, it should be denied. Mangum can't request an interview simply because she wants one.
All I know is that Paula Lavigne tried to arrange an interview with Ms. Mangum, to which Ms. Mangum gave her consent, and that the interview was denied. I am unaware as to whether or not Ms. Lavigne was referred to the Public Affairs Office.
Anonymous at 11:42 AM wrote: "The stab wound put Mr. Daye in the hospital. Even if Daye's injuries were aggravated or increased by the negligence, mistake, or lack of skill of a physician or surgeon, the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment."
Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!
All of you writing about negligence should re-read Anonymous at 11:42's comment. That is as good a succinct statement of the law as I have seen yet. Well done, Anon at 11:42, well done.
Walt-in-Durham
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said:"the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment"................................................Yes if the negligent or unskilled treatment was for the injury caused by the defendant.
September 15, 2015 at 4:55 PM"
Here again you manifest not only your incredible vicious stupidity you manifest total ignorance.
Check with lawyers.
If there had been negligence(and you have not even come close to proving it), the legal principle, in a few words is, had she not stabbed him, he would not have been exposed to the risk of negligence.
Even by your own standards you are wrong and Duke is liable for Daye's death. Keep in mind, it was the treatment for delirium tremens, which had nothing to do with the stab wound, that resulted in the malpractice esophageal intubation. The intubation postoperatively was not required for the stab wound or any so-called complication from it.
Let me know if further elucidation is required.
Sid -- Your letter to the warden doesn't mention Paula Lavigne. It specifically mentions Mangum attempting to arrange an interview with Marina Zenovich.
If you wanted the Warden to address the situation with Paula Lavigne, why didn't you detail that in your letter?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
mr. harr, you say your medical education renders you capable of explaining medical matters. Do you really think you are as capable of understanding what an autopsy reveals as an individual who did residencies in pathology, achieved board cerification, and who then performed thousands of autopsies? Do you really think you can explain a surgical procedure as well as someone who did a residency in surgery, achieved board certification, and then performed thousands of surgical procedures?
Any medical school graduate can understand what transpired during Daye's hospitalization... the concept is not that difficult for someone with the most rudimentary of medical training to understand.
Fake Kenhyderal said...
Sid -- Your letter to the warden doesn't mention Paula Lavigne. It specifically mentions Mangum attempting to arrange an interview with Marina Zenovich.
If you wanted the Warden to address the situation with Paula Lavigne, why didn't you detail that in your letter?
It is my understanding that Paula Lavigne works for ESPN and that Marina Zenovich is a producer contracted by ESPN to produce the documentary. Therefore, I believe that Ms. Zenovich was the one trying to arrange the interview with Ms. Mangum.
Sorry -- I'm confused here...Did Ms. Zenovich request to arrange the interview, or did (as your letter states) Ms. Mangum request to arrange the interview?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid:
What is the basis for your statement that "HBO backed out of its documentary/re-creation story project about the Duke Lacrosse case when it realized how impossible it would be to portray the Duke Lacrosse defendants in a positive light while maintaining any semblance of the truth." Or did you just make that up?
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Abe, I had been in contact long ago with a writer who had been hired to write the screenplay for the project. After he submitted a sample, he was let go and another writer was hired. Again, the submission did not meet the standards sought by HBO to put the Duke Lacrosse players in a positive light and the project was dropped.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Even by your own standards you are wrong and Duke is liable for Daye's death. Keep in mind, it was the treatment for delirium tremens, which had nothing to do with the stab wound, that resulted in the malpractice esophageal intubation."
Except the treatment dministered was for a suspected infection which was a possibility. The penetrating wound of the colon and the time interval between the injury and getting him to surgery set him up for an infection, and that possibility was not eliminated by the surgery. You would understand that if you weren't so clinically incompetent and weren't so invested in getting a pass for your favorite murderess/false accuser for her crimes.
I understand why no one would accept you into any residency.
Fake Kenhyderal said...
Sorry -- I'm confused here...Did Ms. Zenovich request to arrange the interview, or did (as your letter states) Ms. Mangum request to arrange the interview?
My understanding is that Ms. Zenovich requested the interview and Ms. Mangum gave her consent for it. I would imagine that whoever made the request, the warden would ultimately have to give permission or deny permission to the interviewer (Zenovich).
Blogger Nifong Supporter said...
"Any medical school graduate can understand what transpired during Daye's hospitalization... the concept is not that difficult for someone with the most rudimentary of medical training to understand."
You sure can't.
Sid -- You stated in your letter to Warden Royster:
"...a request by Mangum for a media interview with Marina Zenovich was denied by your office, but with no explanation"
You and your J4N committee owe it to Warden Royster, your readers, and Lady Justice to atone for your false September 9, 2015 letter by publishing another letter about the media interview request that consists solely of the truth.
Dr. Harr,
Why would a medical person do a CT scan to see if there is an infection before doing a blood test which carries much less risk to the already heavily sedated patient? And why would they give a paralytic to an already heavily sedated patient?
Sid said:
"Abe, I had been in contact long ago with a writer who had been hired to write the screenplay for the project. After he submitted a sample, he was let go and another writer was hired. Again, the submission did not meet the standards sought by HBO to put the Duke Lacrosse players in a positive light and the project was dropped."
You are begging the question. What is the basis for your statement that HBO sought to put the Duke lacrosse players in a positive light and dropped the project when they realized it was impossible to do so? Who at HBO told you this? Or, did you make it up? Please try to be truthful.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Anonymous said: "Except the treatment dministered was for a suspected infection which was a possibility. The penetrating wound of the colon and the time interval between the injury and getting him to surgery set him up for an infection, and that possibility was not eliminated by the surgery. You would understand that if you weren't so clinically incompetent and weren't so invested in getting a pass for your favorite murderess/false accuser for her crimes".................................. If Attorney Meier had done his job the surgeons, who repaired his wound and gave the prognosis of a full recovery, the respiratory technician who messed up, and the physicians treating him in the ICU would have been subpoenaed to testify. They would have informed the Jury that it was his treatment at Duke that killed Daye and not the stab wound. They would have confirmed that it was a diagnosis of impending delirium tremens and not an overwhelming post operative infection that took him into the ICU. At no time did he ever receive treatment for a post operative infectious process. Don't tell me that Meier, or for that matter Nicholls or Roberts ever investigated this and confirmed that a post-operative infection related to the wound was what killed him.
"If Attorney Meier had done his job the surgeons, who repaired his wound and gave the prognosis of a full recovery, the respiratory technician who messed up, and the physicians treating him in the ICU would have been subpoenaed to testify. They would have informed the Jury that it was his treatment at Duke that killed Daye and not the stab wound."
The stab wound put Mr. Daye in the hospital. Even if Daye's injuries were aggravated or increased by the negligence, mistake, or lack of skill of a physician or surgeon, the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment.
That is not how the judge in the trial explained the law that governed Ms. Mangum's trial.
kenhyderal said...
"If Attorney Meier had done his job the surgeons, who repaired his wound and gave the prognosis of a full recovery, the respiratory technician who messed up, and the physicians treating him in the ICU would have been subpoenaed to testify. They would have informed the Jury that it was his treatment at Duke that killed Daye and not the stab wound."
It was not his treatment at Duke which killed Mr.Daye. It was complications of the stab wound.
Another iteration oh your incredible, vicious stupidity in the cause of trying to get your favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
Why would a medical person do a CT scan to see if there is an infection before doing a blood test which carries much less risk to the already heavily sedated patient? And why would they give a paralytic to an already heavily sedated patient?
September 16, 2015 at 1:49 PM"
First, why ask mr. harr what a medical person would do. He may have MD attached to his name but he does not have the expertise or competence to know what a real medical person would have done.
Second, they are looking for an intra abdominal infection-that was where the contamination took place. A blood test would be useless. A CT scan would definitively shpw whether or not an infection was present.
Anonymous 4:09 wrote:.
That is not how the judge in the trial explained the law that governed Ms. Mangum's trial.
This claim is false and has previously been debunked on this blog. Anonymous 4:09 is a liar.
September 16, 2015 at 4:39 PM
Yeah right! Watch the trial yourself on youtube evil duke troll. The judge explains the law at the beginning of the trial that is used to judge for murder. You are the liar if you think what the judge said was debunked on this blog. Walt's interpretation of the law has been debunked by the judge and on this blog except by the evil duke troll gang actually.
Anonymous 5:23 lies once again.
September 16, 2015 at 4:23 PM
There is no evidence that there was any infection or that any infection was ever treated. The state medical examiner showed a picture of an infected lung during the trial, but there is no way to tell whether those pictures were of Mr. Daye or not, and everything that was produced by that doctor is subject to extensive questioning given all the discrepancies and errors noted in his report and testimony, and the fact that he was already fired for the work he produced in other murder cases before the trial began. Why wouldn't a blood test indicate an infection?
September 16, 2015 at 5:25 PM
You are the liar in that argument evil duke troll. You would say the sky wasn't blue if it meant you had something else to troll and argue about on this blog. How many times have you repeated your same argument on this blog only to have it debunked time and time again, eh? 1000 times or is closer to a 1,000,000? Your insane repetition of falsehoods to attempt to brainwash is just that - insane repetition of falsehoods.
Argue that the sky isn't blue and we'll know for sure that you have no idea what you are talking about anyway. Did you even watch the trial yet?
Blah
Anonymous said...
"Why wouldn't a blood test indicate an infection?"
Because a simple blood test would not indicate whether or not aninfection is present, let alone where it is.
To the liar at 5:45:
I read and re-read the judge's instructions. The instructions were the form instructions based on Welch.
You are a liar.
" Anonymous said...
September 16, 2015 at 5:25 PM
You are the liar in that argument evil duke troll. You would say the sky wasn't blue if it meant you had something else to troll and argue about on this blog. How many times have you repeated your same argument on this blog only to have it debunked time and time again, eh? 1000 times or is closer to a 1,000,000? Your insane repetition of falsehoods to attempt to brainwash is just that - insane repetition of falsehoods.
Argue that the sky isn't blue and we'll know for sure that you have no idea what you are talking about anyway. Did you even watch the trial yet?
Blah
September 16, 2015 at 5:45 PM"
you are sure stressed out about your incredible stupidity.
Anonymous said...
"There is no evidence that there was any infection or that any infection was ever treated."
There was a possibility that an infection was present and that possibility had to be ruled in or out.
When was the last time you ever had hands on patient responsibility.
Dr. Harr,
Why would a CT scan indicate an infection in the abdominal cavity but not a blood test? It seems to me that fluid would already be in the abdomen unlike doing an ex-ray to test for infection in the lungs. How does a CT scan test for infection in the abdominal area? That just does not seem right. If the infection was being tested in abdominal cavity from a successfully treated puncture to the intestines, the CT dye that initiated the intubation wouldn't help in that area anyway would it? How would the dye get there? ???
Doesn't make sense to begin with. Anyway, Mr. Daye was started on antibodies as a routine procedure to the successful surgery as documented in the Duke medical reports, so wasn't Mr. Daye already being treated for infection before the test that ended in intubation malpractice and brain death? ???
Anonymous said,
"Did you even watch the trial yet?"
Twelve unbiased individuals saw the trial, listened to the judge's instructions, and -- unanimously-- found Crystal guilty.
As against that, we have one individual -- who has shown extreme bias -- who thinks she should have been acquitted.
Whom would you believe?
"Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
Why would a CT scan indicate an infection in the abdominal cavity but not a blood test? It seems to me that fluid would already be in the abdomen unlike doing an ex-ray to test for infection in the lungs. How does a CT scan test for infection in the abdominal area? That just does not seem right. If the infection was being tested in abdominal cavity from a successfully treated puncture to the intestines, the CT dye that initiated the intubation wouldn't help in that area anyway would it? How would the dye get there? ???
Doesn't make sense to begin with. Anyway, Mr. Daye was started on antibodies as a routine procedure to the successful surgery as documented in the Duke medical reports, so wasn't Mr. Daye already being treated for infection before the test that ended in intubation malpractice and brain death? ???
September 16, 2015 at 7:30 PM"
mr. harr does not have the capability of answering such questions.
September 16, 2015 at 7:38 PM
I definitely would not believe a jury comprised of the wife of the head of the Duke medical division that was responsible for the malpractice who insisted on being on the jury even though her own father was dying at the time, and two other duke employees. Anyway, they weren't provided with the malpractice information to make a decision on it because of cover-up of Duke's involvement in Mr. Daye's death. I might believe a Durham jury if there were absolutely NO duke affiliated persons on it, including anyone who has to rely on Duke for medical treatment of themselves or their family and affiliates. Basically, it would be very difficult to find that type jury in Durham. Then there would actually have to be a trial that questioned extensively the malpractice issues to begin with. There is none of that, and Dr. Harr has presented the evidence from which he speaks, and it is very easy to see what he is talking about from the records. Why don't you believe the Duke medical records?
I do believe the Duke records.
Why do you believe that malpractice cuts off Mangum's legal liability?
"Anonymous said...
September 16, 2015 at 7:38 PM
I definitely would not believe a jury comprised of the wife of the head of the Duke medical division that was responsible for the malpractice who insisted on being on the jury even though her own father was dying at the time, and two other duke employees. Anyway, they weren't provided with the malpractice information to make a decision on it because of cover-up of Duke's involvement in Mr. Daye's death. I might believe a Durham jury if there were absolutely NO duke affiliated persons on it, including anyone who has to rely on Duke for medical treatment of themselves or their family and affiliates. Basically, it would be very difficult to find that type jury in Durham. Then there would actually have to be a trial that questioned extensively the malpractice issues to begin with. There is none of that, and Dr. Harr has presented the evidence from which he speaks, and it is very easy to see what he is talking about from the records. Why don't you believe the Duke medical records?
September 17, 2015 at 3:42 AM"
You show how ignorant you are.
Why would you trust a medical facility that kills a patient with negligent questionable preventable malpractice that results in a known adversary of Duke being incarcerated for murder for their own malpractice which they then take no known responsibility for which is required by law?
"Known adversary of Duke?" Stop peddling such inane tripe.
It still baffles me how idiotic and delusional Sid and many of the posters are. You really think "Duke" is so all powerful that they can get their employees to commit murder for them?
Get a clue.
Accidental murder occurs all the time at duke according to one poster on this blog (you?) who proclaims duke gets sued all the time for malpractice.
Anyway, Duke is different. They are more about 'we are duke, and duke is us' type group-think environment. Like with their sport teams and if anyone Duke makes a contribution that can be exploited to boost their 'Duke esteem' which is them and they are Duke. Duke is weird that way. Home of the crazies as the saying goes.
" Anonymous Anonymous said...
Why would you trust a medical facility that kills a patient with negligent questionable preventable malpractice that results in a known adversary of Duke being incarcerated for murder for their own malpractice which they then take no known responsibility for which is required by law?
September 17, 2015 at 4:22 AM"
Except no one has established malpractice happened in the Reginald Daye case.
Well what's taking so long, eh? Oh yeah, Ms. Mangum is being harmed - at least as long as the malpractice is covered up. Right - Right.
blah
Malpractice isn't murder - by definition it's accidental, and it happens at all healthcare facilities.
If it's an intentional act - it's murder, and not malpractice. If it is malpractice, it was a mistake.
And, malpractice doesn't cut off criminal liability.
You are still a blithering idiot.
Well if it's accidental and not murder than why is someone else charged with murder for an accident they had NO control over? Duke had CONTROL over Mr. Daye's life. That is Not something that can be denied if they gave him a paralytic and then kept sticking a tube down his throat so that he could not breath. THAT is sole cause malpractice - the proximate cause of the patients subsequent brain death and removal from life support. Ms. Mangum probably would have performed an intubation procedure better than that if given the chance, which of course she wasn't, so why blame her?
She put him in the hospital - by stabbing him (not in self-defense). Under the law (as has been repeatedly claimed) she is responsible for the consequences that flow from that - and malpractice is a "routine" consequence. Had Crystal not stabbed him, he wouldn't have been in the hospital for the malpractice to kill him. This has been repeatedly explained on this blog - you just choose to ignore it, or you are too stupid to comprehend it.
September 17, 2015 at 6:46 AM
Right, like anyone couldn't be said to be defending themselves after being dragged out of a busted down door by their hair by a overly enraged drunk person throwing knives and such things. You choose to ignore the sole cause clause at the end of the law as the judge stated at the beginning of the trial. Your Mangum hating explanations and falsehoods are quite prolific on this blog. You choose to ignore the judge, the duke medical records, the autopsy reports, the make-up of the jury, the conflicted legal representation, and basically anything else that doesn't support your Mangum hating Duke centered perspective.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
Why would a medical person do a CT scan to see if there is an infection before doing a blood test which carries much less risk to the already heavily sedated patient? And why would they give a paralytic to an already heavily sedated patient?
It was my understanding that the scan was to be conducted to try and identify an abscess. I agree that if the patient was highly agitated and being treated with sedatives, I would not jump to giving contrast for a body scan. I don't know what the white blood count was, don't know if he had other signs of infection such as a fever. What I would have done, however, is obtain a couple of blood cultures and put in for an infectious disease consult.
The reason for giving a paralytic to Daye would be to help facilitate intubation.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
She put him in the hospital - by stabbing him (not in self-defense). Under the law (as has been repeatedly claimed) she is responsible for the consequences that flow from that - and malpractice is a "routine" consequence. Had Crystal not stabbed him, he wouldn't have been in the hospital for the malpractice to kill him. This has been repeatedly explained on this blog - you just choose to ignore it, or you are too stupid to comprehend it.
I do not believe many people would agree with you that esophageal intubation or any malpractice is a routine consequence of medical treatment... especially since the consequences with esophageal intubation are deadly if not recognized immediately and corrected. The problem with the intubation is not so much that it was initially introduced into the esophagus, but that it's misplacement was not immediately recognized and corrected. The negative end-tidal CO2 reading was the red flag that should have been heeded.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well if it's accidental and not murder than why is someone else charged with murder for an accident they had NO control over? Duke had CONTROL over Mr. Daye's life. That is Not something that can be denied if they gave him a paralytic and then kept sticking a tube down his throat so that he could not breath. THAT is sole cause malpractice - the proximate cause of the patients subsequent brain death and removal from life support. Ms. Mangum probably would have performed an intubation procedure better than that if given the chance, which of course she wasn't, so why blame her?
Very good point which bears repeating.
Given that other than Sid, most attorneys, Defense and Prosecution, don't believe that Nifong was above reproach and the saint he is being made out to be, I doubt your most recent letter will go anywhere.
You are a total loon who is trying to abuse Crystal and is clearly turning this whole thing into your self-promotion. You keep asking to be put on TV, the radio, and everything else - this is all about you, not anything else.
You are a sad, pathetic, abusive joke.
Any updates on your farce of a Federal Case Sid?
Nifong Supporter said...
"It was my understanding that the scan was to be conducted to try and identify an abscess. I agree that if the patient was highly agitated and being treated with sedatives, I would not jump to giving contrast for a body scan."
mr. harr, did you ever do a residency in radiology and board certify in radiology?
Nifong Supporter said...
"I do not believe many people would agree with you that esophageal intubation or any malpractice is a routine consequence of medical treatment..."
However, esophageal intubation is not in and of itself malpractice. You have never established malpractice took place. Considerong your deaarth of medical training and dearth of experience you are not capable of commenting meaningfully on whether or not this episode was malpractice.
According to the records you illegally posted, the vomiting happened suddenly, an immediate attempt was made to intubate. and the esophageal intubation happened because the vomitus blocked the view of the airway. The tube was withdrawn and replaced.
"Nifong Supporter said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well if it's accidental and not murder than why is someone else charged with murder for an accident they had NO control over? Duke had CONTROL over Mr. Daye's life. That is Not something that can be denied if they gave him a paralytic and then kept sticking a tube down his throat so that he could not breath. THAT is sole cause malpractice - the proximate cause of the patients subsequent brain death and removal from life support. Ms. Mangum probably would have performed an intubation procedure better than that if given the chance, which of course she wasn't, so why blame her?
Very good point which bears repeating."
mr. harr, if you think that is a good point, you document only that your dearth of training and dearth of experience render you incapable of commenting meaningfully on this situation.
Anonymous 4:22,
But you expect us to trust you?
mr. harr, why were you never accepted for residency training and why you were never able to achieve board certification?
In Sid's latest letter, he compares Nifong's gross misconduct to Cassandra Stubbs problems with the bar. Not commenting on her issues, Nifong's misconduct was gross and clear. He prosecuted a case without probable cause. Nifong knew once the DNASI report came in that he had no way to identify any particular defendant with admissible evidence. That was in May, 2006.
Nifong went to a hearing and told a Superior Court Judge he didn't have any other evidence when he was in possession of the DNASI report.
Nifong gave numerous press conferences where he misrepresented the facts of the case. (Of course there was no attack so he really could not have said anything that was truthful about the attack.
Nifong then compounded his violations of the rules of professional conduct by burying the DNASI report in a document dump after he had told the Superior Court there was no more evidence.
Nifong, went ahead to call Dr. Obfuscation as a witness. That cemented his fate. After the DNASI report was out, Nifong had no probable cause to continue against the defendants. When he refused to dismiss, he challenged the Bar to take action. Had he dismissed, he could continue to investigate, he could have tried to find defendants that he had probable cause to proceed against. He didn't. That is gross misconduct if ever there was.
Walt-in-Durham
mr. harr, why was it that no residency program accepted you and that you never achieved specilty certification?
with regard to Walt-in-Durham @ September 17, 2015 at 10:25 AM:
mr. harr went on to claim at one point that when nifong dropped the rape charge but persisted 0n prosecuting the innocent defendants on a charge of sexual assault, that showed what an honorable prosecutor he was.
Care to explain why you said that, mr. harr/
If it is negligent malpractice not related to the stab wound
That's a huge "if," which has never been established.
then the hospital is responsible by law.
...to Mr. Daye and his family, not to anyone else. They apparently didn't think there was malpractice, because they didn't sue.
That is why the in-justice system is covering up the malpractice, which really says so much worse about Duke then even the fact that they killed Mr. Daye with their malpractice.
How are they "covering up" the malpractice (if there was any)?
Mr. Daye was started on antibodies as a routine procedure
Antibodies? You think he was given antibodies? And you expect anyone to take you seriously?
Why would you trust a medical facility that kills a patient with negligent questionable preventable malpractice that results in a known adversary of Duke being incarcerated for murder
How is Mangum a "known adversary of Duke"? Duke was extraordinarily supportive of Mangum's false accusations, something which led to Duke being sued by the accused members of the Lacrosse team. So it was the students Mangum accused who are the "known adversaries" of Duke, not Mangum.
A Lawyer said...
Mr. Daye was started on antibodies as a routine procedure
Antibodies? You think he was given antibodies? And you expect anyone to take you seriously?
C'mon, A Lawyer. You know that the commenter just made an innocent misstatement. What he/she meant to say was "antibiotics" instead of "antibodies."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
mr. harr, why were you never accepted for residency training and why you were never able to achieve board certification?
Irrelevant.
Anonymous said...
Nifong Supporter said...
"I do not believe many people would agree with you that esophageal intubation or any malpractice is a routine consequence of medical treatment..."
However, esophageal intubation is not in and of itself malpractice. You have never established malpractice took place. Considerong your deaarth of medical training and dearth of experience you are not capable of commenting meaningfully on whether or not this episode was malpractice.
According to the records you illegally posted, the vomiting happened suddenly, an immediate attempt was made to intubate. and the esophageal intubation happened because the vomitus blocked the view of the airway. The tube was withdrawn and replaced.
Intubation into the esophagus is not that uncommon an occurrence, however usually its mal-position is immediately recognized, the tube is removed, the patient oxygenated with an ambu-bag until another attempt can be made. In Daye's case, the most objective measure of tube placement, the end-tidal CO2 monitor was negative which indicated that the tube was in the esophagus. Despite visual check with a laryngoscope which incorrectly determined that the tube was in the airway, the tube was allowed to remain in the esophagus until the effects of full body anoxia resulted in cardiac arrest.
Also, if vomitus is in the airway, suction should be at the ready to remove it. Not being able to see the larynx and vocal cords is no excuse for an errant esophageal intubation.
"Nifong Supporter said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
mr. harr, why were you never accepted for residency training and why you were never able to achieve board certification?
Irrelevant."
You are ducking. you are trying to pass yourself as some ind of medical expert. So your background is relevant.
I say again,I believe your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency program would accept you.
At least they 'cured' his agitation, which was their main objective no?
Nifong Supporter said...
"Also, if vomitus is in the airway, suction should be at the ready to remove it."
True, but the real world situation is that the available suction may not be enough to clear the vomitus.
"Not being able to see the larynx and vocal cords is no excuse for an errant esophageal intubation."
It is an explanation.
You have probably never done an intubation in your life.
mr. harr, why were you never accepted into residency training, and why did you never achieve speialty certification?
If you are going to proclaim yourself some kind of medical expert, those questions AEA relevant.
Your stonewalling on the answers is also very relevant.
Correction of a typo:
mr. harr, why were you never accepted into residency training, and why did you never achieve speialty certification?
If you are going to proclaim yourself some kind of medical expert, those questions ARE relevant.
Your stonewalling on the answers is also very relevant.
Correction of another typo
mr. harr, why were you never accepted for residency training and why you were never able to achieve board certification?
Irrelevant."
You are ducking. you are trying to pass yourself as some kind of medical expert. So your background is relevant.
I say again,I believe your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency program would accept you.
Ask Sid who he had the affair with which forced him to leave California in disgrace. He keeps complaining about hit pieces, but doesn't fight any of the facts. You are a sad person who has to abuse Crystal to find any self-worth. It's pathetic. Leave her alone.
Guuowen said: "Twelve unbiased individuals saw the trial, listened to the judge's instructions, and -- unanimously-- found Crystal guilty.
As against that, we have one individual -- who has shown extreme bias -- who thinks she should have been acquitted. Whom would you believe?"............................ The one who had all the facts
The "facts" you made up?
There is no excuse for duke to remain silent about the manner of death of Mr. Daye per their own medical records when faced with a conflicting autopsy report that covers up the medical facts of the patients death as documented in their medical reports. What reason would they have?
Blogger kenhyderal said...
"As against that, we have one individual -- who has shown extreme bias -- who thinks she should have been acquitted."
Who? You? mr. harr? You both are incredibly biased, against Caucasian men who were wrongfully accused of a crime which never happened.
"Whom would you believe?"............................ The one who had all the facts"
That one includes neither you nor mr. harr.
There is no excuse for duke to remain silent about the manner of death of Mr. Daye per their own medical records when faced with a conflicting autopsy report that covers up the medical facts of the patients death as documented in their medical reports. What reason would they have?
Under a federal law called HIPAA, Duke Medical Center must keep Mr. Daye's medical records private and cannot disclose publicly anything about his treatment. Mr. Daye's family did not sue them for malpractice, and neither side in Mangum's criminal trial subpoenaed Duke's doctors to testify, so Duke is now legally required to "remain silent."
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Correction of another typo
mr. harr, why were you never accepted for residency training and why you were never able to achieve board certification?
Irrelevant."
You are ducking. you are trying to pass yourself as some kind of medical expert. So your background is relevant.
I say again,I believe your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency program would accept you.
Believe what you want. You can do that here in America.
I love Sid's ego - he assumes everyone he writes to knows who he is, and seen his BLog.
I would bet less than 5 people look at this blog - it's a joke.
Even if it were malpractice - Crystal would still be responsible. That's been explained. There isn't a vast conspiracy/cover-up - the Jury determined it wasn't self-defense, therefore Crystal was convicted.
Nifong Supporter said...
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Correction of another typo
mr. harr, why were you never accepted for residency training and why you were never able to achieve board certification?
Irrelevant.'
You are ducking. you are trying to pass yourself as some kind of medical expert. So your background is relevant.
I say again,I believe your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency program would accept you."
Believe what you want. You can do that here in America.
Nevertheless, you are reluctant to discuss why you never completed a residency, why you never achieved any specialty board certification.
One possibility is you were accepted into a residency and were then dismissed because of either incompetence or misconduct.
mr. harr, why did you never complete a residency or achieve board certification.
Since you pass yourself off as some kind of medical expert, it is a relevant question. If you had testified on behalf of crystal, you would have been asked that question. If you had said it was irrelevant, you would have meant only that you could not show you had the credentials to make you able to comment meaningfully on any medical matter.
Anonymous said: "That one ( who has all the facts) includes neither you nor mr. harr.................................Possibly, but it definitely includes the jurors who convicted Crystal.
kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said: "That one ( who has all the facts) includes neither you nor mr. harr.................................Possibly, but it definitely includes the jurors who convicted Crystal."
The jury had all the facts. Since you do not know the facts, you are in no position to offer any eaningful opinion. Your agenda is to get a pass for your favorite murderess/false accuser for her crimes.
Guiowen said: "The "facts" you made up?................................... An Oxymoron
Anonymous said "The jury had all the facts"............................. Even you, a confirmed Crystal hater know better then that. From what they heard they believe that the stab wound killed Daye. Even if Welch and Holsclaw come into play the jury should have been presented with the true factual cause of Daye`s death.
" kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said "The jury had all the facts"............................. Even you, a confirmed Crystal hater know better then that. From what they heard they believe that the stab wound killed Daye. Even if Welch and Holsclaw come into play the jury should have been presented with the true factual cause of Daye`s death.
September 18, 2015 at 3:14 PM"
Who appointed no legal education or experience as the trier(sp) of fact?
Just another iteration of kenny hissy fit trying to get his favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
" kenhyderal said...
Correction of typo:
Anonymous said "The jury had all the facts"............................. Even you, a confirmed Crystal hater know better then that. From what they heard they believe that the stab wound killed Daye. Even if Welch and Holsclaw come into play the jury should have been presented with the true factual cause of Daye`s death.
September 18, 2015 at 3:14 PM"
Who appointed no legal education or experience kenny hissy fit as the trier(sp) of fact?
Just another iteration of kenny hissy fit trying to get his favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
September 18, 2015 at 7:58 AM
The Duke medical reports on Mr. Daye obviously already are public - no excuse for letting Ms. Mangum take the blame for their malpractice which they are required to take responsibility for by law. None.
Blogger kenhyderal said...
"Anonymous said: "That one ( who has all the facts) includes neither you nor mr. harr.................................Possibly, but it definitely includes the jurors who convicted Crystal."
September 18, 2015 at 2:55 PM,
Now you're saying that the jury indeed had all the facts. All the more reason, then, to trust their decision.
" Anonymous said...
September 18, 2015 at 7:58 AM
The Duke medical reports on Mr. Daye obviously already are public - no excuse for letting Ms. Mangum take the blame for their malpractice which they are required to take responsibility for by law. None.
September 18, 2015 at 4:38 PM"
Except no one has established that malpractice took place.
Anonymous 5:40pm writes: they [Duke]are required to take responsibility for [malpractice] by law.
Please provide a citation to the law that requires Duke to announce publicly that they committed malpractice.
Sorry for the incorrect reference. 4:38 made the statement to which I referred at 5:49. 5:40 quoted it.
Guiowen said: "Now you're saying that the jury indeed had all the facts. All the more reason, then, to trust their decision"................................ My reply was poorly worded but even you have to concede the Jury did not have all the facts eg. They were told Daye died of complications to his wound with no mention of the proximate cause of Daye's death being acute alcohol withdrawal due to his chronic alcoholism. No mention of the botched esophageal intubation, the resulting cerebral anoxia and his elective removal from life support etc. The Jury should have been clearly asked to decide on this after Judge Ridgeway instructed them on the Welch Holsclaw rulings. He did so but there was no references available for them to know why this standard instruction might be critical in this case. They should of had the relevant information in order to decide if, because of Crystal's action that him to hospital, it was the sole proximate cause. If Welch and Holsclaw are so clearly decided what is the reason all relevant facts surrounding his death were not given to them?
Kenny states: They should of had the relevant information in order to decide if, because of Crystal's action that him to hospital, it was the sole proximate cause.
I don't follow you. Decide that what was the sole proximate cause?
kenhyderal said...
"Guiowen said: "Now you're saying that the jury indeed had all the facts. All the more reason, then, to trust their decision"................................ My reply was poorly worded but even you have to concede the Jury did not have all the facts".
Another iteration of no legal training, no legal experience kenny-hissy-fit declaring hhe ies the one who determines the facts, another iteration of said kennt trying to get his favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
Dr. Harr,
Why are you not working with kenhyderal to overturn the case? kenhyderal has told your readers that he will get Crystal a new trial.
Blogger kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said: "Exactly how will you get Crystal a new trial?".................... Just watch me.
July 12, 2015 at 7:54 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...
Dr. Harr,
Why are you not working with kenhyderal to overturn the case? kenhyderal has told your readers that he will get Crystal a new trial.
Blogger kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said: "Exactly how will you get Crystal a new trial?".................... Just watch me.
kenhyderal supporter, I'm not seeking a new trial for Crystal... what I want is her immediate release from custody and exoneration.
I would work with kenhyderal if he were in the Raleigh area. I am willing to work with anyone who in good faith is trying to achieve vindication for Crystal.
Anonymous said...
Nifong Supporter said...
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Correction of another typo
mr. harr, why were you never accepted for residency training and why you were never able to achieve board certification?
Irrelevant.'
You are ducking. you are trying to pass yourself as some kind of medical expert. So your background is relevant.
I say again,I believe your performance as an intern was so poor that no residency program would accept you."
Believe what you want. You can do that here in America.
Nevertheless, you are reluctant to discuss why you never completed a residency, why you never achieved any specialty board certification.
One possibility is you were accepted into a residency and were then dismissed because of either incompetence or misconduct.
I don't duck questions! Not in my DNA. I've answered the same lame questions repeatedly, and just because you don't like the response (or can't understand it, you persist in repetitively posing the same question).
In a final reply to you on the subject let me just say the following:
Irrelevant, and
Believe whatever you want... This is America and you're allowed to do that here.
Nifong Supporter said...
"kenhyderal supporter, I'm not seeking a new trial for Crystal... what I want is her immediate release from custody and exoneration."
Which is another iteration of, I want my favorite murderess/false accuser to get a pass for her crimes/
Nifong Supporter said...
"I don't duck questions! Not in my DNA. I've answered the same lame questions repeatedly, and just because you don't like the response (or can't understand it, you persist in repetitively posing the same question)."
Which is another non answer iteration of mr. harr ducking questions about his professional medical background, or lack thereof.
Here's another chance for you to demonstrate you don't want to answer questions. Why were you never accepted into a residency? Why wereyou never board certified in any medical specialty?
Anonymous said : "I don't follow you. Decide that what was the sole proximate cause".......................................... An errant intubation while this chronic alcoholic was being treated in the ICU for acute alcohol withdrawal and impending delirium tremens.
kenhyderal said...
"Anonymous said : "I don't follow you. Decide that what was the sole proximate cause".......................................... An errant intubation while this chronic alcoholic was being treated in the ICU for acute alcohol withdrawal and impending delirium tremens."
Except there is no evidence he was a chronic alcoholic or that he was going through alcohol withdrawk, except in your deluded imagination. Your one title is no legal training no legal experience kenny hissy fit. Your other title is no medical training no medical experiennce kenny hissy fit.
A nerve has clearly been hit with Sid when asked about why he never completed a residency ... he's getting touchy.
But, if you ever do testify, Sid, it will be asked.
Blogger Nifong Supporter said...
kenhyderal supporter, I'm not seeking a new trial for Crystal... what I want is her immediate release from custody and exoneration.
I would work with kenhyderal if he were in the Raleigh area. I am willing to work with anyone who in good faith is trying to achieve vindication for Crystal.
September 19, 2015 at 9:43 AM
Sid, Exactly how do you think Crystal will be released from prison and exonerated?
Anonymous said:Except there is no evidence he was a chronic alcoholic or that he was going through alcohol withdrawk"........................ Don't be so disingenuous. Delirium Tremens was the presumptive diagnosis for his acute agitation. Remember walking talking Daye had a normally stupefying blood alcohol reading of 296 mg/dl. on admission. There is his self admission of his drunken rage and assault of Crystal. Then there is Crystal's testimony of his heavy daily consumption of alcohol in the days she lived with him. His Family attempted to minimize his alcohol consumption without perjuring themselves but it was easy to tell that's what they were doing. Meier failed to cross examine them about this issue.
kenhyderal said...
"Don't be so disingenuous. "
Kenny, do you even know what "disingenuous" means?
kenhyderal said...
"Don't be so disingenuous. Delirium Tremens was the presumptive diagnosis for his acute agitation."
No it wasn't. It was your presumptive diagnosis, you of zero medical training and zero medical experience.
"Remember walking talking Daye had a normally stupefying blood alcohol reading of 296 mg/dl. on admission."
Which is probably a lab error, since he was not stuporous and his iver was normal. If he could have tolerated that high a BAL, his liver would have been damaged. Ability to tolerate that high a BAL would have meant years of exposing hs liver to high levels of the hepatotoxic metabolites of alcohol metabolism.
"There is his self admission of his drunken rage and assault of Crystal"
No it isn't.
"Then there is Crystal's testimony of his heavy daily consumption of alcohol in the days she lived with him."
You mean the testimony of crystal the habitual liar.
"His Family attempted to minimize his alcohol consumption without perjuring themselves but it was easy to tell that's what they were doing."
You mean it was easy for you of zero legal experience and zero clinical experience to presume what they were doing, you whose agenda is to get your favorite murderess/false accuser a pass for her crimes.
"Meier failed to cross examine them about this issue."
Because there was nothing to cross examine about.
mr. harr, explain why you were never accepted into a residency and why you were never board certified in any medical specialty.
Residency training and board certification show intense training and experience post medical school. You have none.
Why?
Anonymous kenhyderal supporter said...
Dr. Harr,
Why are you not working with kenhyderal to overturn the case? kenhyderal has told your readers that he will get Crystal a new trial.
Blogger kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said: "Exactly how will you get Crystal a new trial?".................... Just watch me.
July 12, 2015 at 7:54 AM
September 19, 2015 at 5:47 AM
Ken, Will you share with us the specific steps you have taken during the past two months to provide a new trial for Crystal?
Anonymous said: "Remember walking talking Daye had a normally stupefying blood alcohol reading of 296 mg/dl. on admission."
Which is probably a lab error, since he was not stuporous and his iver was normal. If he could have tolerated that high a BAL, his liver would have been damaged. Ability to tolerate that high a BAL would have meant years of exposing hs liver to high levels of the hepatotoxic metabolites of alcohol metabolism.....................A Lab error is your speculation. No investigation was ever done. And even though alcoholics can have normal livers, I would not put too much faith in what over-worked Pathologist Nicholls said in his sloppy and error ridden report.
I agree. A lab error is speculation. Why are you permitted to speculate, yet you refuse to let others do so?
kenhyderal said...
"A Lab error is your speculation. No investigation was ever done."
No, a lab error is the most likely explanation.
"And even though alcoholics can have normal livers, I would not put too much faith in what over-worked Pathologist Nicholls said in his sloppy and error ridden report."
So says zero clinical training, zero clinical experience kenny hissy fit who puts all his faith in a chronic liar criminal and in someone who,after he got hs MD degree, never got into a residency and never achieved board certification..
Anonymous said...
Nifong Supporter said...
"I don't duck questions! Not in my DNA. I've answered the same lame questions repeatedly, and just because you don't like the response (or can't understand it, you persist in repetitively posing the same question)."
Which is another non answer iteration of mr. harr ducking questions about his professional medical background, or lack thereof.
Here's another chance for you to demonstrate you don't want to answer questions. Why were you never accepted into a residency? Why wereyou never board certified in any medical specialty?
Asked and answered. Irrelevant.
Anonymous said...
A nerve has clearly been hit with Sid when asked about why he never completed a residency ... he's getting touchy.
But, if you ever do testify, Sid, it will be asked.
Hah! Dream on. What's to get touchy about? You're the one making a big deal about this nonsense, yet I am taking my valuable time to repeatedly respond. Doesn't sound touchy to me.
I don't anticipate being called to testify... for what? If the court determines Mangum's case warrants review, if Mangum is representing herself Pro Se, the prosecution will fold. Why waste court time and state resources with another trial? Mangum's conviction should be overturned... period.
"Nifong Supporter said...
Anonymous said...
Nifong Supporter said...
"I don't duck questions! Not in my DNA. I've answered the same lame questions repeatedly, and just because you don't like the response (or can't understand it, you persist in repetitively posing the same question)."
Which is another non answer iteration of mr. harr ducking questions about his professional medical background, or lack thereof.
Here's another chance for you to demonstrate you don't want to answer questions. Why were you never accepted into a residency? Why wereyou never board certified in any medical specialty?
Asked and answered. Irrelevant.
September 20, 2015 at 12:22 PM"
mr. harr,why are you avoiding explaining why you were never accepted into a residency and why you neverachieved board certification?
" Nifong Supporter said...
Anonymous said...
A nerve has clearly been hit with Sid when asked about why he never completed a residency ... he's getting touchy.
But, if you ever do testify, Sid, it will be asked.
Hah! Dream on. What's to get touchy about? You're the one making a big deal about this nonsense, yet I am taking my valuable time to repeatedly respond. Doesn't sound touchy to me.
I don't anticipate being called to testify... for what? If the court determines Mangum's case warrants review, if Mangum is representing herself Pro Se, the prosecution will fold. Why waste court time and state resources with another trial? Mangum's conviction should be overturned... period.
September 20, 2015 at 12:27 PM"
mr. harr why are you ducking having to explain why you were never accepted into a residency and why you were unable to get board certified inany specialty.
If you explained it might establish you as an expert.
Your repeated ducking implies your background as a doc is totally inadequate to establish you s an expert.
You know mr. harr, when you rant and rave about the "fraudulent" autopsy and why Reginald Daye died, people will ask, what qualifies you to make such commnts. The MD added to your name does not qualify you. Your background, if you had one, would qualify you. Your constant ducking of questions about your background implies that you have none, that you could not get accepted into a residency in the first place, and, since residency =training is a pre requisite to board certification, that is the reason why you were never bloard certified.
Sid said:
"If the court determines Mangum's case warrants review, if Mangum is representing herself Pro Se, the prosecution will fold."
Sid, your ignorance is stunning. Haven't you learned anything from the last five years? The prosecution had a very strong case against Mangum. Even if your PDR is granted (and it won't be, for reasons previously explained) they won't fold.
To quote Walt, with friends like you Mangum needs no enemies.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Sid said:
"If the court determines Mangum's case warrants review, if Mangum is representing herself Pro Se, the prosecution will fold."
Sid, your ignorance is stunning. Haven't you learned anything from the last five years? The prosecution had a very strong case against Mangum. Even if your PDR is granted (and it won't be, for reasons previously explained) they won't fold.
To quote Walt, with friends like you Mangum needs no enemies.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Nifong Supporter said...
"if Mangum is representing herself Pro Se, the prosecution will fold."
mr. harr also said, years ago, that the state would never take crystal to trial because they had no case.
Ken,
Why won't you answer the question posted at 5:00?
Actually, mr. harr, your background is not irrelevant. It is not at all impressive, which is why you are reluctant to make it public. Most docs I know are not embarrassed by their backgrounds.
Anonymous said...
Actually, mr. harr, your background is not irrelevant. It is not at all impressive, which is why you are reluctant to make it public. Most docs I know are not embarrassed by their backgrounds.
Whatever..
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Nifong Supporter said...
"if Mangum is representing herself Pro Se, the prosecution will fold."
mr. harr also said, years ago, that the state would never take crystal to trial because they had no case.
I said that at that time because I had mistakenly given the state some credit for having common sense.
Anonymous said...
You know mr. harr, when you rant and rave about the "fraudulent" autopsy and why Reginald Daye died, people will ask, what qualifies you to make such commnts. The MD added to your name does not qualify you. Your background, if you had one, would qualify you. Your constant ducking of questions about your background implies that you have none, that you could not get accepted into a residency in the first place, and, since residency =training is a pre requisite to board certification, that is the reason why you were never bloard certified.
Whatever..
Dr. Harr -- "Whatever.."
I'm sure that's precisely the same response Dan Kane, Susan Harper, Bill Lumaye, Judge Ridgeway, and Judge Hudson et al gave when they received your letter.
Sid is clearly annoyed - he can pretend all he wants, but the question of his background and why he never did much with his degree is clearly a sensitive subject to him. He can deny it all he wants, but his actions are clear - there is a past that he doesn't want to discuss, he must know it would completely discredit him.
mr. harr, explain why you were never acceptes into residency, why you were never board certified by any specialty board.
Kenhyderal wrote: "My reply was poorly worded but even you have to concede the Jury did not have all the facts eg. They were told Daye died of complications to his wound with no mention of the proximate cause of Daye's death being acute alcohol withdrawal due to his chronic alcoholism."
Because that was not the opinion of the medical examiner, the only expert called who could offer such an opinion. But, we know due to Sid's breach of Crystal's confidence that her own expert agreed with that diagnosis.
"No mention of the botched esophageal intubation, the resulting cerebral anoxia and his elective removal from life support etc."
Irrelevant. How many times have we gone over the law - contributory negligence has no place in the criminal law.
"The Jury should have been clearly asked to decide on this after Judge Ridgeway instructed them on the Welch Holsclaw rulings."
Special verdicts are not used in criminal cases. Only rarely in civil ones where there are hybrid questions of law and fact that must be decided partly by the jury and partly by the judge.
"He did so but there was no references available for them to know why this standard instruction might be critical in this case. They should of had the relevant information in order to decide if, because of Crystal's action that him to hospital, it was the sole proximate cause."
The pattern jury instructions are drafted as they are to do away with any need for further explanation. Had the jury sought such clarification, they would have asked. They did not, so they understood the instruction.
"If Welch and Holsclaw are so clearly decided what is the reason all relevant facts surrounding his death were not given to them?"
All relevant facts were presented. Remember, contributory negligence has no place in a criminal proceeding, so any evidence of malpractice (negligence) has no relevance. The only way it could possibly be relevant is if the malpractice rises to the level of an intervening cause to cut off criminal liability. In this case, both the state and the defense had experts to analyze that possibility. The defense expert, with the most reason to find an intervening cause, found none. She said so in her written report. More importantly, she told Crystal that in her oral report which should never have been made public, but was when Sid breached Crystal's trust and wrote up the findings on this very blog.
Walt-in-Durham
September 21, 2015 at 9:48 AM
Dr. Harr is retired and is not a medical person the public of NC and the USA rely on for medical services to save the lives of themselves or others, so really, none of your obsessive cyberbullying matters to anyone but you. What does matter is that Duke and the Duke/Durham/NC in-justice system are held accountable for their cover-up of the medical issues involved in the actual death of Mr. Daye and for then blaming the death on Ms. Mangum against ANYONE's common sense, well-being, and legal rights to a justice system, medical examiner's system, and Duke medical services that do not result in ANY case like this one for ANYONE ever again - not even you evil duke troll.
"Anonymous said...
September 21, 2015 at 9:48 AM
Dr. Harr is retired and is not a medical person the public of NC and the USA rely on for medical services to save the lives of themselves or others, so really, none of your obsessive cyberbullying matters to anyone but you. What does matter is that Duke and the Duke/Durham/NC in-justice system are held accountable for their cover-up of the medical issues involved in the actual death of Mr. Daye and for then blaming the death on Ms. Mangum against ANYONE's common sense, well-being, and legal rights to a justice system, medical examiner's system, and Duke medical services that do not result in ANY case like this one for ANYONE ever again - not even you evil duke troll.
September 21, 2015 at 11:27 AM"
You took up a bit of bandwidth just to show how ignorant you are.
September 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM
What, is it ignorant to think that perhaps YOU personally would give a wazoo if Duke and Duke/Durham/NC in-justice system did to YOU personally what they did and are doing to Mr. Daye and Ms. Mangum and their families, and to the public of NC and the USA that must rely on Duke medical persons for life saving services and judicial practices that are totally unacceptable to anyone but YOU?
Anonymous said...
"September 21, 2015 at 9:48 AM
Dr. Harr is retired and is not a medical person the public of NC and the USA rely on for medical services to save the lives of themselves or others, so really, none of your obsessive cyberbullying matters to anyone but you."
It matters to mr. harr. He thinks he is some kind of medical expert. But his reluctance to talk about his medical expert suggests he was not very competent after he graduated from medical school. And it really irks him that someone is exposing that he may have very well been too incompetent to be accepted into any residency training program.
Dr. Harr,
Do you have any kind of time frame for when Ms. Mangum might write a pro-se letter to the current Durham DA asking for an investigation into the state's medical examiner report and the cover-up of and the actuality of the deadly intubation procedure that resulted in Mr. Daye's unfortunate removal from life support at their hands?
September 21, 2015 at 11:48 AM
What does it matter? What he said was backed up by the defense medical examiner based on Duke's medical records in relation to the state's autopsy reporting that the judicial system has attempted to keep from Ms. Mangum, the public, and a jury. The complications are what need to be on trial since they are what caused the death. If there was a murder - it was from the complications that caused the death, not the one self-defensive stab wound that was documented in the Duke medical records as mended and not a cause of death but resulted in a prognosis for full recovery. That IS what's important and why the defense autopsy report was with-held from the public, the jury, and the defendant.
Anonymous @ 11:31 AM -- How exactly does one "personally....give a wazoo"?
Inquiring minds want to know. Please don't spare the gory details.
September 21, 2015 at 12:51 PM
You seriously do not know what that means? egad!
WHY do you continue to troll and cyberbully this blog?
Walt said: " How many times have we gone over the law - contributory negligence has no place in the criminal law"..............................................................
Reasonableness would suggest that if the triggering of a chain of events,(ie. Crystal stabbing of Daye, in self defence) is interrupted by an intervening cause(ie Duke's fatal Medical malpractice), it should serve to distance and exonerate Crystal from any responsibility for this outcome. That was my interpretation of Ridgeway's instruction to the jury.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
September 21, 2015 at 11:48 AM
"What does it matter? What he said was backed up by the defense medical examiner"
If you mean what mr. harr said, that was not backed up by the defens's expert witness. Her opinion concurred with Dr. Nichols' opinion,that Reginald Daye died of complications of the stab wound.
"The complications are what need to be on trial since they are what caused the death."
If Crystal had not stabbed him, there would have been no complications, That is the legal doctrine.
So far as DTs, neither kenny hissy fit nr mr. harr are competent to make the diagnosis of DTs.
Kenhyderal -- Repetition is the key to learning, so I will simply state:
The stab wound put Mr. Daye in the hospital. Even if Daye's injuries were aggravated or increased by the negligence, mistake, or lack of skill of a physician or surgeon, the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment.
To this statement I will add:
A jury of her peers decided that the stabbing was not in self-defense. While you may consider this decision wrong, that is how criminal trials work -- even in Canada.
Anonymous @ 12:58 said "You seriously do not know what that means? egad!"
It would normally mean an amount of something so excessive it is coming out of one's "ass"..."Crystal Mangum has felony convictions out the wazoo" would mean that Crystal Mangum has so many felony convictions that they are falling out of her ass on to the floor.
So -- in your statement "personally...give a wazoo", it would appear you are asking someone to "personally" give an ass. Or "personally" give an excess amount of....something (which you have not defined)
Neither make sense.
Which leads me to believe that either:
1) "Wazoo" as a colloquialism means something different in the Durham area than it does elsewhere in the country.
2) You don't have a fucking clue what your writing about.
I'm betting on Option 2.
This has all been argued too many times on this blog, and the argument is always the same based on the law as the JUDGE stated the law to be, Not Walt! The judge's interpretation probably wins over Walt and his evil duke troll gang followers in all instances.
Duke, by law, has responsibility for their own malpractice - not anyone else. Duke, therefore, should be the ones on trial for murder if murder is charged since they are the ones that killed Mr. Daye after being treated and given a prognosis for full recovery. Ms. Mangum had NOTHING to do with Mr. Daye's death from that moment forward. If duke wants to see murder charged, then they need to investigate and put their own medical people on trial for murder. They would garner much more respect and trust for actually taking responsibility for their own malpractice instead of further harming Ms. Mangum and the public. As it is now, they have little respect and even less trust from the public because of what they have done in this case and the lacrosse case. They could have done the right thing but choose not to. There is NO excuse for them. None.
wazoo sounds better than sheat or damn ... get over it
blah
Anonymous @ 2:23:
Yep - Definitely option #2. Now go take your meds.
Anonymous 2:18,
Is there any way we can get you to stop whining?
Anonymous said: "The stab wound put Mr. Daye in the hospital. Even if Daye's injuries were aggravated or increased by the negligence, mistake, or lack of skill of a physician or surgeon, the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment.................................First, the injury to Daye was neither aggravated or increased by Duke's negligence. His death was solely caused by Duke's negligence. If that negligence was a result of treatment for the stab wound or for complications thereof, one could say this intervening cause could not serve to exonerate Crystal. That was not the case. Daye's treatment did not flow from the stab wound. The sole and proximate cause was Daye's acute alcohol withdrawal flowing from years of chronic alcohol abuse. That Crystal's actions in self defence sent alcoholic Daye to hospital is not sufficient, in this case, to assign proximate cause to her action.
Anonymous said: "So far as DTs, neither kenny hissy fit nr mr. harr are competent to make the diagnosis of DTs" ...................................................................................That was his presumptive diagnosis by Duke. Everybody on this blog knows Reginald Daye was an alcoholic. Pretending that he was not is disingenuous. That pretense only serves to demonstrate hatred for Crystal, someone you do not know and someone you have characterized by the deceptions the Duke Lacrosse Defence have spread about her
Kenny,
Nichols and Roberts both concluded otherwise. What medical expertise do you have that makes your conclusions more compelling? I remind you that someone who professes a belief in mystery rapists has destroyed his credibility.
Your master debating will not free Crystal.
Kenny,
Stop it with the hissy fit. Questioning whether Daye was an alcoholic does not demonstrate "hatred for Crystal."
Kenny,
What does pretending that Crystal did not make a false accusation in the lacrosse frame demonstrate?
Ken,
Why won't you answer the question posted at 5:00? If you are sincere in your statements that you intend to help Crystal, hopefully you are doing something in addition to repeating the same repetitive (and incorrect) arguments that you make at this blog.
kenhyderal said...
"First, the injury to Daye was neither aggravated or increased by Duke's negligence. His death was solely caused by Duke's negligence. If that negligence was a result of treatment for the stab wound or for complications thereof, one could say this intervening cause could not serve to exonerate Crystal. That was not the case. Daye's treatment did not flow from the stab wound."
Why I refer to kenny as no clinical training, no clinical experience kenny hissyfit. He knows nothing.
kenhyderal said...
"That(alcoholism) was his presumptive diagnosis by Duke. Everybody on this blog knows Reginald Daye was an alcoholic."
no one believes that on this blog except no training, minimal experience mr. harr and no training, no clinical experience kenny hissyfit.
I see mr. harr has written another compendium o lies to a media figure, continuing his attempts to get his favorite murderess a pass for her crimes.
mr. harr, why are you reluctant to talk about your background. What do you want kept from the public?
Anonymous said: "Why won't you answer the question posted at 5:00? If you are sincere in your statements that you intend to help Crystal, hopefully you are doing something" .......................................... 5:00 on what date? I am sincere. What I will be doing is between Crystal and me. In the meantime I will continue to counter the lies and hatred being disseminated about her.
kenhyderal said...
"In the meantime I will continue to counter the lies and hatred being disseminated about her(crystal)."
What lies?
The only kues abiut crystal are the ies that she was raped in March of 2006 and that she is not a murderesss/false accuser.
kenny:
So, what you are doing to help Mangum is some sort of a secret?
Mystery rapists, elaborate and massive conspiracies, and now, secret plans. How intriguing.
Abe Froman
Chicago, IL
Anonymous Fake Kenhyderal said...
Dr. Harr -- "Whatever.."
I'm sure that's precisely the same response Dan Kane, Susan Harper, Bill Lumaye, Judge Ridgeway, and Judge Hudson et al gave when they received your letter.
Wrong. At least to date they didn't even bother to respond. Give me credit for having the civility and courtesy to reply... even reply to comments that have been repeated ad nauseum.
Anonymous said...
Sid is clearly annoyed - he can pretend all he wants, but the question of his background and why he never did much with his degree is clearly a sensitive subject to him. He can deny it all he wants, but his actions are clear - there is a past that he doesn't want to discuss, he must know it would completely discredit him.
Whatever...
Anonymous said...
mr. harr, explain why you were never acceptes into residency, why you were never board certified by any specialty board.
Irrelevant.
Anonymous said...
September 21, 2015 at 9:48 AM
Dr. Harr is retired and is not a medical person the public of NC and the USA rely on for medical services to save the lives of themselves or others, so really, none of your obsessive cyberbullying matters to anyone but you. What does matter is that Duke and the Duke/Durham/NC in-justice system are held accountable for their cover-up of the medical issues involved in the actual death of Mr. Daye and for then blaming the death on Ms. Mangum against ANYONE's common sense, well-being, and legal rights to a justice system, medical examiner's system, and Duke medical services that do not result in ANY case like this one for ANYONE ever again - not even you evil duke troll.
Thank you for your comment, which addresses the heart of the matter. The cyberbullies want to shift direction of the discourse from Duke's responsibility in Daye's death and other issues of relevance related to the Mangum to the irrelevancy of my postgraduate medical training.
Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
Do you have any kind of time frame for when Ms. Mangum might write a pro-se letter to the current Durham DA asking for an investigation into the state's medical examiner report and the cover-up of and the actuality of the deadly intubation procedure that resulted in Mr. Daye's unfortunate removal from life support at their hands?
I don't know that she will do so as I have written D.A. Roger Echols several times and spoke to him about the problems with the autopsy report and perjured testimony by the medical examiner. He has basically refused to respond. I have no hopes that he would respond to a letter from Mangum, either.
For the most part, I believe that Mangum will wait until the NC Supreme Court publishes its opinion before acting further.
Anonymous said...
September 21, 2015 at 11:48 AM
What does it matter? What he said was backed up by the defense medical examiner based on Duke's medical records in relation to the state's autopsy reporting that the judicial system has attempted to keep from Ms. Mangum, the public, and a jury. The complications are what need to be on trial since they are what caused the death. If there was a murder - it was from the complications that caused the death, not the one self-defensive stab wound that was documented in the Duke medical records as mended and not a cause of death but resulted in a prognosis for full recovery. That IS what's important and why the defense autopsy report was with-held from the public, the jury, and the defendant.
It does my heart good when enlightenment prevails, as is evidenced in the above comment. The comment hit the nail on the head. The jury, Court of Appeals, and the people have been denied the truths surrounding the autopsy report on Daye and circumstances surrounding his death. Medical records in prosecution discovery document without question that the initial intubation was esophageal and led to Daye's brain death... his elective removal from life-support, and subsequent death.
Anonymous said...
This has all been argued too many times on this blog, and the argument is always the same based on the law as the JUDGE stated the law to be, Not Walt! The judge's interpretation probably wins over Walt and his evil duke troll gang followers in all instances.
Duke, by law, has responsibility for their own malpractice - not anyone else. Duke, therefore, should be the ones on trial for murder if murder is charged since they are the ones that killed Mr. Daye after being treated and given a prognosis for full recovery. Ms. Mangum had NOTHING to do with Mr. Daye's death from that moment forward. If duke wants to see murder charged, then they need to investigate and put their own medical people on trial for murder. They would garner much more respect and trust for actually taking responsibility for their own malpractice instead of further harming Ms. Mangum and the public. As it is now, they have little respect and even less trust from the public because of what they have done in this case and the lacrosse case. They could have done the right thing but choose not to. There is NO excuse for them. None.
You are absolutely correct. If the prosecution or medical examiner insists on classifying Daye's death as a homicide, then the murder weapon becomes the endotracheal tube... most definitely not the steak knife.
"Nifong Supporter said...
Anonymous Fake Kenhyderal said...
Dr. Harr -- "Whatever.."
I'm sure that's precisely the same response Dan Kane, Susan Harper, Bill Lumaye, Judge Ridgeway, and Judge Hudson et al gave when they received your letter.
Wrong. At least to date they didn't even bother to respond. Give me credit for having the civility and courtesy to reply... even reply to comments that have been repeated ad nauseum."
Shows what not so high esteem in which most people hold you, that's all.
"Nifong Supporter said...
Anonymous said...
mr. harr, explain why you were never acceptes into residency, why you were never board certified by any specialty board.
Irrelevant.
September 22, 2015 at 11:53 AM"
mr. harrr again ducks.
Nifong Supporter said...
"You are absolutely correct. If the prosecution or medical examiner insists on classifying Daye's death as a homicide, then the murder weapon becomes the endotracheal tube... most definitely not the steak knife. "
Please tell us what post graduate professional trining you have had which qualifies you to make such a statement
kenhyderal said...
Anonymous said: "The stab wound put Mr. Daye in the hospital. Even if Daye's injuries were aggravated or increased by the negligence, mistake, or lack of skill of a physician or surgeon, the law regards the negligence of the wrongdoer in causing the original injury as the proximate cause of the damages flowing from the subsequent negligent or unskillful treatment.................................First, the injury to Daye was neither aggravated or increased by Duke's negligence. His death was solely caused by Duke's negligence. If that negligence was a result of treatment for the stab wound or for complications thereof, one could say this intervening cause could not serve to exonerate Crystal. That was not the case. Daye's treatment did not flow from the stab wound. The sole and proximate cause was Daye's acute alcohol withdrawal flowing from years of chronic alcohol abuse. That Crystal's actions in self defence sent alcoholic Daye to hospital is not sufficient, in this case, to assign proximate cause to her action.
kenhyderal, well stated. It puts the lie to the premise that because the stab wound resulted in Daye's hospitalization, it is the proximate cause of any outcome during his inhouse stay.
Nifong Supporter said...
"It does my heart good when enlightenment prevails, as is evidenced in the above comment. The comment hit the nail on the head. The jury, Court of Appeals, and the people have been denied the truths surrounding the autopsy report on Daye and circumstances surrounding his death. Medical records in prosecution discovery document without question that the initial intubation was esophageal and led to Daye's brain death... his elective removal from life-support, and subsequent death."
Again, tell us what post graduate trining you have had which makes you competent to issue such a statement.
mr. harr, expain why you wee never accepted into any residency and were never certified by any medical specialty board. In other words, what qualifies you to make the pronouncements you have made
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