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Thursday, October 6, 2016

Harr v. Freeman: Informal Brief on Appeal

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Nifong Supporter said...: guiowen said...
Actually, Sidney, what you should do is find a lawyer (in your area) with political ambitions, and help him/her launch a campaign against Lorrin Freeman. I have no doubt that both Kenhyderal and Kilgo will contribute money to the campaign.
Once your protege has been elected DA, you will enjoy access to the DA's office.
Please start ASAP, since political campaigns take time.

Hah! gui, mon ami, shirley you jest. First of all, any politician with political ambitions will most likely side with Duke University, the state, and the media against Crystal Mangum and me. All that would happen would be that the DA in grooming would accept my money, but even if elected would still do nothing to help Crystal as her case is too political.; October 6, 2016 at 7:20 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney, how much have you spent in filing fees and related costs in your endeavors? I think you said it was $500 for one of the filing fees recently. I assume you cannot deduct any of these expenses for tax purposes.

Although some may consider it genius to avoid paying taxes, I have no problem with paying taxes to help programs for those in need... education and health. I really do not attempt to deduct much when it comes to taxes. As far as the filing fees go, you can check with the Clerk of Court, but I believe the docketing fee was $400.00 and the filing fee $5.00.

The docketing fee for the appeal was $500.00 with a $5.00 filing fee.; October 6, 2016 at 7:26 PM
A Lawyer said...: Dr. Harr:
Not being a Tarheel, I cannot comment on the question of whether there is a law library you can access. But the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure are available on-line, free. You should read them before you file a brief in a U.S. Court of Appeals, even an "informal" one.

You really should.

For your own sake.

Unless this is all some weird kind of performance art that I'm too unhip to appreciate, I can't understand how you could lose so many lawsuits and not learn anything from the experience.; October 6, 2016 at 8:56 PM
guiowen said...: Well, Sidney, if what you say is true, then yours is a lost cause. Too bad!; October 6, 2016 at 9:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 85 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 99 days since the end of June, 167 days since April 23rd, 206 days since the Ides of March and 3,401 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 7, 2016 at 3:02 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
AN IMPORTANT HARRIAN MYSTERY OF UNPARALLELED DIMENSIONS!!!

I now place a call to all fans, commenters, viewers and/or visitors to this blog site to unravel the following mystery:

On Tuesday, October 4, 2016, I traveled by Amtrak from Raleigh to Richmond, VA, where I filed my Informal Brief with the clerk's office of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

According to the date/time stamp, I filed the document at 2:18 p.m. EDT.

According to the post office receipt, at approximately 2:22 p.m. EDT that day, I mailed certified a copy of the brief to Grady Balentine of the N.C. Attorney General's Office.

Naturally, I have train tickets to document my travels, and the brief and its exhibits are readily available online... on this blog to be specific.

The HARRIAN MYSTERY is: Why (on Friday, October 7, 2016) is the filed informal brief I filed on April 4th not posted on PacerMonitor.com? Click to reach PacerMonitor.

You will note that the last entry posted on that site is for September 13, 2016. Also, keep in mind that today, October 7, 2016 is the deadline for me to file the Informal Brief on Appeal.

Is there a logical reason for this conundrum... or is chicanery afoot?

Answer, if you dare.; October 7, 2016 at 4:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

If you are truly concerned, why don't you just call the court clerk to confirm that your brief was received and has been properly filed, and to find out why it doesn't appear on Pacer? Or don't. You seem to like conspiracy theories and I am sure you can tease this one out a little more. When your brief gets posted you can take credit for revealing the conspiracy to suppress it (because it is just that damn good) and claim that the only reason they finally posted it was because you exposed them and their nefarious plot to keep it from the world.

You have certainly created for yourself an intriguing and interesting little world to live in.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 7, 2016 at 5:42 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sid:

If you are truly concerned, why don't you just call the court clerk to confirm that your brief was received and has been properly filed, and to find out why it doesn't appear on Pacer? Or don't. You seem to like conspiracy theories and I am sure you can tease this one out a little more. When your brief gets posted you can take credit for revealing the conspiracy to suppress it (because it is just that damn good) and claim that the only reason they finally posted it was because you exposed them and their nefarious plot to keep it from the world.

You have certainly created for yourself an intriguing and interesting little world to live in.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

Hey, Abe.

I happened to check PacerMonitor late last evening and noticed that my filing was not recorded on its site. Surely, enough time had passed since its last update to have recorded it. This morning, when I posted the HARRIAN MYSTERY, it was prior to office hours of the Clerk of Court. You can bet that I will make a call to verify the status of my Informal Brief. I have no reason to believe that it has not been filed, but then why would it not be posted on PacerMonitor.

Keep in mind what happened when I attempted to file Crystal Mangum's Motion for Appropriate Relief... the shenanigans which included converting it into a Habeas Corpus without any notification or authorization from Mangum... and the inked-over date on the date/time stamp (which invalidated it). I don't like conspiracy theories, but I have more than enough justification to have them.

But, the answer from you regarding the mystery is that you can come up with no logical explanation... Right? On this, we both agree.; October 7, 2016 at 6:12 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
UPDATE REGARDING HARRIAN MYSTERY!

I just phoned the U.S. Clerk of Court for the Fourth Circuit, and confirmed that the Informal Brief that I filed on Tuesday, October 4th, was noted to have been received on Wednesday, October 5th... ahead of the deadline of October 7th. I find that to be extremely comforting... but that nonetheless begs the question: why has it not been posted on PacerMonitor when it allegedly updated nine hours ago? Maybe the October 4/5 filing will be in place on its next update. We'll see.

As you were.; October 7, 2016 at 6:24 AM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "Why (on Friday, October 7, 2016) is the filed informal brief I filed on April 4th not posted on PacerMonitor.com?"

Just for the record, both Harr III, and Harr v. Freeman appeals were filed after April 2016, so the 4th Circuit would have no informal briefs in April. The District Court case of Harr v. Freeman was filed April 26, 2016. There could be no filings in that case that predate the filing of the complaint. Harr III was filed in the Middle District on April 11, 2016 so there could be nothing in that case filed on April 4, 2016.

Sloppy, Sid, very sloppy.

Walt-in-Durham; October 7, 2016 at 6:28 AM
Anonymous said...: Well, because, there is a delay ... you file something in paper ... they have to log it, scan it, and enter it. That takes time. If you file electronically, PACER is largely instantaneous - if you file via paper, it takes time to convert it over and get it entered.

There is nothing nefarious afoot You are just an idiot.; October 7, 2016 at 6:28 AM
Anonymous said...: SSidney Harr must sure enjoy bashing his head repeatedly against a stone wall.; October 7, 2016 at 6:38 AM
Anonymous said...: "but that nonetheless begs the question: why has it not been posted on PacerMonitor when it allegedly updated nine hours ago?"

PACERMonitor is a tool that monitors(duh) PACER for new filings. If you have an issue with information appearing in PACERMonitor, the issue is with PACERMonitor, not with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.; October 7, 2016 at 7:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid needs to create conspiracies to explain away his failures and affirm in his own mind the rightness of his cause(s). In Sid's mind he is never wrong. The only reason he keeps losing is that powerful forces are aligned against him and they control the outcome of his endeavors. It is what keeps Sid going and, at the same time, prevents him from learning from his mistakes and losses.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 7, 2016 at 8:44 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Well, because, there is a delay ... you file something in paper ... they have to log it, scan it, and enter it. That takes time. If you file electronically, PACER is largely instantaneous - if you file via paper, it takes time to convert it over and get it entered.

There is nothing nefarious afoot You are just an idiot.

Silly me for thinking to "update" would mean to represent a situation in its current or most recent status.

You did a good job of excuse-making and using the "blaming the victim" tactic. So, what you're saying is that because I filed my brief manually, it'll take days before it's recorded? ... or possibly weeks?

The facts are as follows: On Tuesday, October 4, 2016 (at 2:18 pm EDT), I manually filed my Informal brief, and as of Thursday, October 6, 2016 (at 11:59 pm EDT) PacerMonitor has no notice of its filing... more than 57 hours later!

At any rate, your explanation that there is a slowdown in PacerMonitor recognizing the filed brief being due to its manual filing is the most plausible excuse given thus far.; October 7, 2016 at 12:31 PM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: 'PacerMonitor has no notice of its filing... more than 57 hours later!"

Pacemonitor.com is not PACER. Your informal brief is filed on PACER, that's where I read it before making my comments in the earlier thread. Pacermonitor.com is a private sector website that is in no way the official PACER. If your frivolous brief never shows up on Pacermonitor.com, no harm is done. There is no conspiracy.

Anonymous at 6:28 AM wrote: There is nothing nefarious afoot You are just an idiot."

Anon at 6:28 seems to have accurately taken the measure of the man.

Walt-in-Durham; October 7, 2016 at 5:40 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Sid wrote: 'PacerMonitor has no notice of its filing... more than 57 hours later!"

Pacemonitor.com is not PACER. Your informal brief is filed on PACER, that's where I read it before making my comments in the earlier thread. Pacermonitor.com is a private sector website that is in no way the official PACER. If your frivolous brief never shows up on Pacermonitor.com, no harm is done. There is no conspiracy.

Anonymous at 6:28 AM wrote: There is nothing nefarious afoot You are just an idiot."

Anon at 6:28 seems to have accurately taken the measure of the man.

Walt-in-Durham

Ouch! My, my... aren't we snippy?

But, thanks for the edification anyway. Please keep in mind that I am not an attorney and have no legal training... (I know that that is difficult to remember considering my amazing grasp of the law.)

Congrats, Walt for solving the HARRIAN MYSTERY. Too bad there's no monetary prize for the winner. Maybe next time.; October 7, 2016 at 6:09 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
"but that nonetheless begs the question: why has it not been posted on PacerMonitor when it allegedly updated nine hours ago?"

PACERMonitor is a tool that monitors(duh) PACER for new filings. If you have an issue with information appearing in PACERMonitor, the issue is with PACERMonitor, not with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit.

Like Walt, you are correct too. Clearly I did not know about PACER... and surely did not realize that it was an acronym. You get half-credit with Walt for solving the mystery, but unfortunately there's no prize money award.; October 7, 2016 at 6:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

Did you know that non-lawyers are permitted to use Google?

https://www.pacermonitor.com/about; October 7, 2016 at 7:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 84 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 100 days since the end of June, 168 days since April 23rd, 207 days since the Ides of March and 3,402 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 8, 2016 at 4:05 AM
A Lawyer said...: Please keep in mind that I am not an attorney and have no legal training... (I know that that is difficult to remember considering my amazing grasp of the law.)

It's not hard to remember your lack of legal training any time I read one of your court filings. Despite what you call your "amazing grasp of the law," you have lost literally tens of lawsuits without ever winning one. I suggest again that you ask your friend Prof. Coleman to look at your next brief or complaint before you file it.; October 8, 2016 at 10:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 83 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 101 days since the end of June, 169 days since April 23rd, 208 days since the Ides of March and 3,403 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 9, 2016 at 5:37 AM
JSwift said...: Sidney stated: Please keep in mind that I am not an attorney and have no legal training... (I know that that is difficult to remember considering my amazing grasp of the law.)

Sidney,

I owe you an apology.

Your profession of your "amazing grasp of the law" finally makes clear your intent. All this time, you have been trolling your readers. I do not believe that anyone correctly recognized that you were just playing games with us.

Like many other readers, I believed that you had some sort of intellectual disability that prevented you from understanding the arguments raised by others. When you ignored comments, I thought you either genuinely failed to understand or were simply being dishonest. Although I considered the possibility that you were playing games, I thought that your activities away from this board demonstrated otherwise.

Particularly when your activities gravitated to the courts, I was convinced that you had a mental disability. No one would risk contempt. No one could be as stupid as you pretended to be in your filings. No one could learn so little with so much failure.

I did not even consider that you were also trolling the courts. Although court finally fined you in Harr III, you were nevertheless able to play games with the courts for several years, wasting their resources on your frivolity, before they finally took action. As another reader has observed, you must view your filing fees and fine merely as an entertainment expense.

You truly are a master troll.

Although you fooled your readers and the courts for an extended time period, I question the ethics of using Ms. Mangum in your trolling. Is she aware that you are also playing games with her?

John D. Smith
New York, NY; October 9, 2016 at 1:45 PM
kenhyderal said...: You're reading way too much into Dr. Harr's sarcastic statement. Although Dr. Harr has no legal training I know of no other lay person who could even use the legal system itself to fight injustice like he does. Law is the most despised and maligned of the professions and for good reason. The abject failure of the US Justice System is, in great measure, a consequence of a failure by this profession to live up to the ideal of equal justice under law. Crystal was used by the Duke Lacrosse Defence not by any who seek justice for her. That Dr. Harr has been unsuccessful so far is because the system is stacked against the poor the marginalized and minorities. Attacking Dr. Harr for his efforts nd mocking any esoteric errors he makes in process will make all of you look bad when justice is finally served.; October 9, 2016 at 9:50 PM
guiowen said...: Justice has in fact been served.; October 9, 2016 at 11:04 PM
Walt said...: Guiowen wrote: "Justice has in fact been served."

Ding-Ding-Ding, ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

Walt-in-Durham; October 10, 2016 at 4:17 AM
Walt said...: Abe wrote: "Sid needs to create conspiracies to explain away his failures..."

Ding-Ding-Ding, ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

Walt-in-Durham; October 10, 2016 at 4:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 82 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 102 days since the end of June, 170 days since April 23rd, 209 days since the Ides of March and 3,404 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 10, 2016 at 5:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Except Kenny,

Sid's problems are self-inflicted. Many pro se individuals have success in their lawsuits and efforts - Sid doesn't for several reasons:

1. He doesn't have a case.
2. He refuses to learn, and ignores the help offered.

It's all on Sid.; October 10, 2016 at 5:31 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

Mangum is in prison because she killed a man. It was the culmination of an escalating pattern of illegal, immoral and increasingly violent behavior by Mangum that began well before the infamous Duke lacrosse case and continued, unabated, well after that case was concluded. Mr. Daye's death and Mangum's current legal situation have nothing at all to do with Duke, both as a matter of law and fact.

Mangum was afforded every protection and right available to an accused under the law, and more rights than she would have received in any other system at any other time in history. She was appointed multiple attorneys to represent her and granted numerous adjournments to prepare her case. She had a full opportunity to research her, examine the evidence against her, confront and cross examine witnesses and present her side of the story.

The fact that you do not like the verdict in Mangum's case is not evidence of a failure of the legal system. Your circular argument to the contrary is dishonest and intellectually lazy. You use Mangum's conviction as evidence that the system is unfair and corrupt, and then you use the supposed unfairness and corruption of the system as evidenced by Mangum's conviction to explain/excuse Sid's failures to free Mangum. It is an argument that is not persuasive and just plain dumb. The reason Mangum is in prison is because she murdered someone. Sid's efforts to subvert justice have failed because they are not grounded in fact or law.

Are there inequities and abuses that occur in the legal system? Hell yes, and they disproportionately affect minorities and the poor. The Duke lacrosse case was an excellent opportunity to highlight those injustices and inequities to a segment of the population that is largely unaware of and mostly insulated against them. It could have been a catalyst for real change in the legal systems in Durham, NC and, perhaps, beyond. However, instead of using the situation to highlight these problems and work for justice and a better system for everyone, people like you and Sid cheered the unethical, illegal and morally corrupt investigation and prosecution of the Duke lacrosse defendants and lionized the false accuser and rogue DA.

Instead of recognizing and standing up against an obvious injustice, you supported it and cheered it on when the tables were turned and injustice was visited on people who weren't like you. Accordingly, you and Sid lack the moral authority (and intellect) to lecture Walt, A Lawyer, Guiowen, many others who contribute here, and even me, on the supposed inequities of the US legal system.

No sausage for you! Not now. Not ever.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 10, 2016 at 6:43 AM
JSwift said...: Abe stated:

Are there inequities and abuses that occur in the legal system? Hell yes, and they disproportionately affect minorities and the poor. The Duke lacrosse case was an excellent opportunity to highlight those injustices and inequities to a segment of the population that is largely unaware of and mostly insulated against them. It could have been a catalyst for real change in the legal systems in Durham, NC and, perhaps, beyond. However, instead of using the situation to highlight these problems and work for justice and a better system for everyone, people like you and Sid cheered the unethical, illegal and morally corrupt investigation and prosecution of the Duke lacrosse defendants and lionized the false accuser and rogue DA.

Instead of recognizing and standing up against an obvious injustice, you supported it and cheered it on when the tables were turned and injustice was visited on people who weren't like you. Accordingly, you and Sid lack the moral authority (and intellect) to lecture Walt, A Lawyer, Guiowen, many others who contribute here, and even me, on the supposed inequities of the US legal system.

Well stated.

John D. Smith
New York, NY; October 10, 2016 at 7:56 AM
kenhyderal said...: Abe said: "Mangum was afforded every protection and right available to an accused under the law, and more rights than she would have received in any other system at any other time in history"..................................Huh? You know Abe people in most civilized countries scoff at such American arrogance. America is exceptional in many areas alright, exceptionally bad. Especially in matters of Justice, Tolerance and Health Care. Can you tell us why American has so many of it's citizens, disproportionally minority, locked up? Can you tell us why you are so over-run with Lawyers? Can you tell us why you are the only advanced country without cradle to grave single payer health care? Can you tell us why your health care system ranks so low despite costing so much? Can you tell us why your education system lags in respect to other advanced countries? Donald Trump lied to the American people about Canada's Health Care http://www.vox.com/2016/10/9/13222798/canadians-seeking-medical-care-us-trump-debate Most likely he wont win but hey one never want's to over-estimate the intelligence of the American People. Crystal was given no time to prepare. As is most often the case in the US for minorities she languished in gaol with an impossibly high bail. Don't pretend the State was ready to proceed and what she did caused any delay. Her Court appointed Lawyers hardly gave her the time of day. Once she raised the exorbitant bail the State then proceeded to trial and that's when they refused to give the appointed Attorney time to prepare.; October 10, 2016 at 3:04 PM
guiowen said...: Kenny,
Is there anyway we can get you to stop whining?
Is there any chance you might actually do something?; October 10, 2016 at 7:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny:

Are there inequities and abuses that occur in the legal system? Hell yes, and they disproportionately affect minorities and the poor. The Duke lacrosse case was an excellent opportunity to highlight those injustices and inequities to a segment of the population that is largely unaware of and mostly insulated against them. It could have been a catalyst for real change in the legal systems in Durham, NC and, perhaps, beyond. However, instead of using the situation to highlight these problems and work for justice and a better system for everyone, people like you and Sid cheered the unethical, illegal and morally corrupt investigation and prosecution of the Duke lacrosse defendants and lionized the false accuser and rogue DA.

Instead of recognizing and standing up against an obvious injustice, you supported it and cheered it on when the tables were turned and injustice was visited on people who weren't like you. Accordingly, you and Sid lack the moral authority (and intellect) to lecture Walt, A Lawyer, Guiowen, many others who contribute here, and even me, on the supposed inequities of the US legal system.; October 10, 2016 at 7:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 81 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 103 days since the end of June, 171 days since April 23rd, 210 days since the Ides of March and 3,405 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 11, 2016 at 4:55 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

Your last post confirms that you lack the moral authority and intellectual capacity to lecture anyone on the supposed flaws and inequities of the US legal system.

It is a shame that you are not bright enough to recognize how easy it can be to fail to spot and fight injustice when it is directed against people who are different from you and that you don't care that much about. It's ironic that you and Sid rail against a perceived injustice directed against a member of your group, but avidly support injustice when targeted against the members of a different group of people who are not like you. Perhaps that is the true lesson of the Duke lacrosse case. It is certainly a lesson America struggles with as the most richly diverse country in the world.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 11, 2016 at 5:14 AM
kenhyderal said...: Your post confirms that you cling to the myth of American exceptionalism and are in complete denial about the racism that taints your Justice System. What happened to Crystal is emblematic of the failures and consequences of this broken and corrupt system. Suggesting that the Duke Lacrosse Players were victims of racism is such blatant projection that it is laughable. As in the past America will, without shame, eventually do what's right and live up to the lofty ideals it proclaims. Crystal like all it's victims will be vindicated and those, like you, will think you had no culpability.; October 11, 2016 at 9:31 AM
guiowen said...: Oh, good lord! It's clear Kenny hasn't forgotten "projection".; October 11, 2016 at 9:44 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny:

Are there inequities and abuses that occur in the legal system? Hell yes, and they disproportionately affect minorities and the poor. The Duke lacrosse case was an excellent opportunity to highlight those injustices and inequities to a segment of the population that is largely unaware of and mostly insulated against them. It could have been a catalyst for real change in the legal systems in Durham, NC and, perhaps, beyond. However, instead of using the situation to highlight these problems and work for justice and a better system for everyone, people like you and Sid cheered the unethical, illegal and morally corrupt investigation and prosecution of the Duke lacrosse defendants and lionized the false accuser and rogue DA.

Instead of recognizing and standing up against an obvious injustice, you supported it and cheered it on when the tables were turned and injustice was visited on people who weren't like you. Accordingly, you and Sid lack the moral authority (and intellect) to lecture Walt, A Lawyer, Guiowen, many others who contribute here, and even me, on the supposed inequities of the US legal system.; October 11, 2016 at 10:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Suggesting that the Duke Lacrosse Players were victims of racism is such blatant projection that it is laughable. "

What proof do you have that the Lacrosse players,or anyone, ever raped Crystal Mangum? The male dna found on crystal is not proof unless you can establish it was deposited at the Lacrosse Party. Kilgo's uncorroborated allegation,that some anonymous lacrosse player told him he had witnessed the rape means nothing unless either kilgo identifies the lacrosse player or that said Lacrosse playrt comes forth. Your explanations as to why neither event has happened are just speculations. Speculation why evidence was not there does not establish that evidence ever was there. So basically you are accusing some innocent white men of rape, simply because they are white. Go and project that to some court. Your idol, Sidney Harr may want to do that for you, considering his "amazing grasp of the law".; October 11, 2016 at 10:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney and Kenny
sitting in a tree,
D-I-S-S-I-N-G.
First comes hate,
then comes racism,
then comes a lawsuit
in the wrong court of law!; October 11, 2016 at 10:54 AM
The Great Kilgo said...: Kenhyderal,
Please help! If you can only get me out of here, I'll be able to give you all the inform092q38yrfva'a;L32ED; October 11, 2016 at 12:47 PM
Desconocido said...: Kenhyderal,
Trate' de encontrarme con tu amigo el gordo Kilgo, pero ese tipo sconnosciuto lo tiene completamente dominado. Que' vamos a hacer? Tu' que' sugieres?; October 11, 2016 at 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...: kenny prevaricated,

"Suggesting that the Duke Lacrosse Players were victims of racism is such blatant projection that it is laughable."

I have never suggested that the Duke lacrosse players were victims of racism. You are being dishonest again.

Note that I did not attack, impugn or insult the country you live in. Only a complete ass does that.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 11, 2016 at 12:54 PM
Walt said...: Abe wrote: "kenny prevaricated,..."

That sums up most of Kenny's posts. When he's not engaging in intellectual dishonesty, straw man arguments, and generally ineffective advocacy.

"Note that I did not attack, impugn or insult the country you live in. Only a complete ass does that."

Well put Oh King of Sausage! Well put.

Walt-in-Durham; October 11, 2016 at 2:45 PM
kenhyderal said...: Abe said: "I have never suggested that the Duke lacrosse players were victims of racism. You are being dishonest again". Whaa? As one of the poorly educated that Donald Trump claims he loves can you interpret this statement of yours:........ "It is a shame that you are not bright enough to recognize how easy it can be to fail to spot and fight injustice when it is directed against people who are different from you and that you don't care that much about. It's ironic that you and Sid rail against a perceived injustice directed against a member of your group, but avidly support injustice when targeted against the members of a different group of people who are not like you. Perhaps that is the true lesson of the Duke lacrosse case. It is certainly a lesson America struggles with as the most richly diverse country in the world" PS According to a Harvard study Canada is more ethnically diverse then the United States
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/; October 11, 2016 at 3:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

What is your explanation of why you supported "the unethical, illegal and morally corrupt investigation and prosecution of the Duke lacrosse defendants and lionized the false accuser and rogue DA."; October 11, 2016 at 4:07 PM
kenhyderal said...: Note that I did not attack, impugn or insult the country you live in. Only a complete ass does that."............. Even in the face of a moral purity that people of other nations find offensive and hypocritical?; October 11, 2016 at 4:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Why do you act like such a smug asshole when you are attacking others?; October 11, 2016 at 4:29 PM
guiowen said...: Because he is a smug asshole.; October 11, 2016 at 5:03 PM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

Put down the shovel and stop digging. I have never stated or even suggested that the Duke lacrosse players were victims of racism. I correctly noted that they were treated unjustly, unfairly and inequitably. Not all injustice, unfairness and wrongs are racially motivated.

I never claimed America was the most ethnically diverse country in the world (although an excellent case can be made that it is). I called it the most richly diverse country in the world. That is true beyond cavil.

Ad hominem attacks, straw man arguments, outright lies, and cutting and pasting quotes from other people are poor substitutes for critical thinking and serious discussion. These tactics do impress anyone, are wildly unpersuasive, will never a debate, and will make you no friends.

Now go to bed and give your brain a rest.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 11, 2016 at 5:10 PM
kenhyderal said...: Abe said: " I called it the most richly diverse country in the world. That is true beyond cavil"......................... If you're not talking ethnicity what are the elements of diversity you refer to? Rich or poor? Educated or uneducated? Redeemable or unredeemable? Religion? Politics? Climate? Also why don't you try to make your excellent case for it being the most ethnically diverse without resorting to anything published by those who have researched the question.; October 11, 2016 at 9:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 80 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 104 days since the end of June, 172 days since April 23rd, 211 days since the Ides of March and 3,406 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 12, 2016 at 3:07 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: You have to wonder about the methodology used to generate the Harvard statistics -- For example, there are 562 Native American Tribes in the US ("Tribes" being considered ethnically, culturally and linguistically diverse) -- almost half in Alaska.; October 12, 2016 at 6:49 AM
Anonymous said...: AbeFeoman:

"Now go to bed and give your brain a rest."

Presumes a fact not in evidence, that Kenhyderal has a brain.; October 12, 2016 at 6:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Some thought-provoking comments here:
https://www.prageru.com/courses/race-relations/top-5-issues-facing-black-americans

Sid- you and Kenny should give it a watch.; October 12, 2016 at 3:48 PM
kenhyderal said...: We've heard these rants before. It's the same line Bill Cosby used to peddle. Politically US Blacks are sophisticated. They know what "they have to lose" so 95% + are going to vote Democrat. In Canada in history there was only one lynching. Toronto is a city just slightly larger in population then Chicago In 2015 Toronto had 54 Murders Chicago had 494 Ethnically speaking both cities are 49% non-white. There is no difference in the quality of schooling between white and non-white children.; October 12, 2016 at 8:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 79 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 105 days since the end of June, 173 days since April 23rd, 212 days since the Ides of March and 3,407 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 13, 2016 at 2:50 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: Kenny -- You should read Racism, Eh? A Critical Inter-Disciplinary Anthology of Race and Racism in Canada by Camille and Charmaine Nelson.

In it, they argue that Canada's colonial histories are ignored, minimized or denied, and that contemporary issues of race and racism are ignored within Canada's borders.

Camille Nelson began her education at the University of Toronto, and then went on to the University of Ottawa Faculty of Law to receive her law degree. She is the former Dean of Suffolk University's School of Law in Boston and is the current Dean of the Washington College of Law at American University.

Charmaine Nelson is a Professor of Art History at McGill University in Montreal. She received her PhD in Art History from the University of Manchester in 2001.; October 13, 2016 at 6:18 AM
Anonymous said...: Are there inequities and abuses that occur in the legal system? Hell yes, and they disproportionately affect minorities and the poor. The Duke lacrosse case was an excellent opportunity to highlight those injustices and inequities to a segment of the population that is largely unaware of and mostly insulated against them. It could have been a catalyst for real change in the legal systems in Durham, NC and, perhaps, beyond. However, instead of using the situation to highlight these problems and work for justice and a better system for everyone, people like you and Sid cheered the unethical, illegal and morally corrupt investigation and prosecution of the Duke lacrosse defendants and lionized the false accuser and rogue DA.

Instead of recognizing and standing up against an obvious injustice, you supported it and cheered it on when the tables were turned and injustice was visited on people who weren't like you. Accordingly, you and Sid lack the moral authority (and intellect) to lecture Walt, A Lawyer, Guiowen, many others who contribute here, and even me, on the supposed inequities of the US legal system.; October 13, 2016 at 7:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 78 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 106 days since the end of June, 174 days since April 23rd, 213 days since the Ides of March, 1,057 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,408 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 14, 2016 at 3:24 AM
A Lawyer said...: Still not a word from Dr. Harr about why he won't read the Rules of Appellate Procedure or consult with his friend Prof. Coleman.

And he wonders why he loses every lawsuit.; October 14, 2016 at 11:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr in his filings acts like Donald Trump.; October 14, 2016 at 11:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 77 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 107 days since the end of June, 175 days since April 23rd, 214 days since the Ides of March, 1,058 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,409 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 15, 2016 at 3:44 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous A Lawyer said...
Still not a word from Dr. Harr about why he won't read the Rules of Appellate Procedure or consult with his friend Prof. Coleman.

And he wonders why he loses every lawsuit.

Hey, A Lawyer.

Sorry for not responding sooner or more frequently, but I have been extremely busy working on the next sharlog and other important correspondence and projects (about which I will not divulge at this time). I would like to thank kenhyderal for his wonderful comments filling in on my behalf. The truth is that I could not have responded in a more accurate and insightful way.

With regards of Rules of Appellate Procedure, I do believe that I have read them with regards to filing my Informal Brief... and have done my best to abide by them. As far as consulting with Law Professor James Coleman... it is because he is my friend that I do not draw him into this imbroglio. I would not want him to suffer for any good-faith attempt on his part to help me. Neither would I want you, A Lawyer, to jeopardize your career by trying to assist me.

Hope you have been elucidated.; October 15, 2016 at 5:32 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr in his filings acts like Donald Trump.

Oowww! Ouch! That really hurt. How low can you go?

I demand an immediate retraction!!!; October 15, 2016 at 5:34 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Some thought-provoking comments here:
https://www.prageru.com/courses/race-relations/top-5-issues-facing-black-americans

Sid- you and Kenny should give it a watch.

Hey, Anon... thanks for the link. Very interesting.

Naturally, I am more in line with the Colin Kaepernik following. I got the gist of what Taleeb Starkes is peddling, and I will plan on trying to engage him in serious debate regarding Crystal Mangum. Hopefully, he will have the time, will, and courage to communicate with me. I will add corresponding with Mr. Starkes to my growing list of things to do. Will keep everyone apprised.; October 15, 2016 at 5:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

" As far as consulting with Law Professor James Coleman... it is because he is my friend that I do not draw him into this imbroglio."

This is a de facto admission by tou that Professor Coleman does not regard you as a friend. No self respecting law protessor would.; October 15, 2016 at 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr in his filings acts like Donald Trump.

Oowww! Ouch! That really hurt. How low can you go?

I demand an immediate retraction!!!"

With your rantings and ravings about the non existent carpetbagger jihad and the non existent vendetta against Crystal Mangum and the non existent conspiracy to discriminate against you at the Stephen Breyer event, you were acting like Trump the Republican nominee before Trump ever became the Republican nominee.; October 15, 2016 at 10:02 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 76 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 108 days since the end of June, 176 days since April 23rd, 215 days since the Ides of March, 1,059 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,410 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 16, 2016 at 5:53 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr, chek out http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-imagines-shadowy-conspiracy-behind-women-accusing-him-misdeeds-n666091.

Long before Trump ever got started you were alleging shadowy conspiracies were behind everything which happened to Mike Nifong, to Crystal Mangum, to yourself.; October 16, 2016 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous said...: "Naturally, I am more in line with the Colin Kaepernik following.".

I have no idea how to interpret this...Do you mean you support the fact the Kaepernik isn't standing during the national anthem? Does it mean you are somehow donating money (did you buy a Kaepernik jersey)?

Look - as a former soldier I could honestly not care less what Kaepernik does or doesn't do during the National Anthem. He can kneel or stand on his head for all I care. As an American, he has the right to do so....(On a side note, if you've ever been to a KC Chiefs game at Arrowhead, the fan shout "...home of the Chiefs", instead of singing "home of the brave" -- I find that to be more disrespectful than anything any football player is doing).

What bothers me is that Kapepernik isn't really doing anything other than generate media attention for himself -- not for Black Lives Matter or anyone else.

Supposedly, he's donating part of his jersey sales to #BLM, but that doesn't really affect the money he's already getting paid - and most likely the people buying the jerseys are the people who are supposed to benefit...So in essence they are spending money they should've kept for themselves.

I just don't see it.; October 16, 2016 at 12:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 75 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 109 days since the end of June, 177 days since April 23rd, 216 days since the Ides of March, 1,060 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,411 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 17, 2016 at 2:08 AM
A Lawyer said...: As far as consulting with Law Professor James Coleman... it is because he is my friend that I do not draw him into this imbroglio. I would not want him to suffer for any good-faith attempt on his part to help me.

He doesn't have to put his name on anything. All I have urged you to do is, before you file your next lawsuit, just show him (or any lawyer) the Complaint, and ask "does this have any chance of succeeding?" If he says no, that would save you (at a minimum) the filing fees, and would avoid the risk of further sanctions.

That you are unwilling to do so tells me that your litigation is a form of performance art, not actually intended to get any positive results for you and Mangum.; October 17, 2016 at 10:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 74 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 110 days since the end of June, 178 days since April 23rd, 217 days since the Ides of March, 1,061 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,412 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 18, 2016 at 2:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 73 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 111 days since the end of June, 179 days since April 23rd, 218 days since the Ides of March, 1,062 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,413 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 19, 2016 at 3:13 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney said:

"Sorry for not responding sooner or more frequently, but I have been extremely busy working on the next sharlog and other important correspondence and projects (about which I will not divulge at this time). "

I hope one of the projects is the MAR resolution. Only 73 days to go too.; October 19, 2016 at 12:53 PM
Anonymous said...: To Anonymous at 12:53 PM:

In fairness to Sid, the 73 days is an artificial deadline Sid imposed on himself for reasons known only to him. It's not like Mangum is going anywhere 73 days from now, or for the next 3,416 days (give or take a few days), for that matter. I doubt the court knows or cares about Sid's deadline. They will dispose of Mangum's case on their schedule; not Sid's.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 19, 2016 at 4:37 PM
Walt said...: Sid's ramblings and frivolous filings will do nothing to help Crystal. He has actively harmed her on on occasion. When he revealed that she had no intervening cause defense. Indeed, he breached her confidence in him and told the world that her expert agreed with the Medical Examiner as to cause of death. That put Crystal in a very narrow alley from which to try and get an acquittal. Sid left her lawyers with no way to try and force the state into dealing with an intervening cause. All he left her with was either a plea bargain or an all or nothing self-defense argument. The problem with self-defense is the defense has to admit to killing the victim and try to argue justification. But, that's Sid. It's always about him and drawing attention to him.

Walt-in-Durham; October 19, 2016 at 4:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 72 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 112 days since the end of June, 180 days since April 23rd, 219 days since the Ides of March, 1,063 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,414 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 20, 2016 at 3:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Actually, for self-defense all she had to admit was stabbing him, which she did. Sid has always said she had to admit to the 1st degree murder, so if she lost on self-defense she was screwed. Not true. She had to admit stabbing him, and if that was justified, whatever flowed was justified, if it wasn't, you still deal with manslaughter v murder.

Sid and Kenny have zero ability to understand the law, and refuse to listen, and so when they are the ones Crystal turns too, no wonder she makes poor decisions and refuses to listen to sound advice.

Again, classic abusive behavior - isolate the vulnerable person and convince them you are the only one who is looking out for them, and anyone who contradicts you is part of the conspiracy and just wants to hurt them.; October 20, 2016 at 6:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Like Donald Trump, Sidney has a history of abusive behavior towards a woman.; October 20, 2016 at 6:53 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 6:05 AM wrote: "Actually, for self-defense all she had to admit was stabbing him, which she did."

Well, it's a more than that. Self-defense must be intentional. Thus, by raising the self-defense issue, Crystal closed off the lesser included offenses with a lower mens rea.

"Sid and Kenny have zero ability to understand the law, and refuse to listen, and so when they are the ones Crystal turns too, no wonder she makes poor decisions and refuses to listen to sound advice.

Again, classic abusive behavior - isolate the vulnerable person and convince them you are the only one who is looking out for them, and anyone who contradicts you is part of the conspiracy and just wants to hurt them."

Completely agree with the latter part of your post. Sid and Kenny are exhibiting classic abusive behavior.

Walt-in-Durham; October 20, 2016 at 7:23 AM
kenhyderal said...: And Dr. Harr and Ken Edwards motives are? So, you believe the American Justice System gives fair and equal justice to all? And you have, and Crystal's Court appointed Lawyers had, only her best interests at heart. You can sell this line to the Duke Lacrosse apologists and those they have duped but not to any who truly care for Crystal. Walt, Crystal will be exonerated and while the cock crows you will claim you had only wanted to help steer those who sought justice for her.; October 20, 2016 at 9:18 AM
Anonymous said...: Yes, the stabbing was intentional, what followed wasn't ... she still could have gotten manslaughter and 2nd Degree - she raised self-defense, she was convicted of a lesser=included offense. The Jury was instructed on all the lesser included offenses, so I'm not sure why you say they were cut off.; October 20, 2016 at 9:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Your motives, like all other abusers, is power and control over someone more vulnerable than you.; October 20, 2016 at 9:39 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Is there any way we can get you to stop whining?; October 20, 2016 at 12:53 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal, like sidney, like trump, sees non existent conspiracies behind everything he dislikes.; October 20, 2016 at 1:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 71 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 113 days since the end of June, 181 days since April 23rd, 220 days since the Ides of March, 1,064 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,415 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 21, 2016 at 2:41 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr:

" As far as consulting with Law Professor James Coleman... it is because he is my friend that I do not draw him into this imbroglio."

This is a de facto admission by tou that Professor Coleman does not regard you as a friend. No self respecting law protessor would.

Keep in mind that Professor Coleman is employed by Duke University. Why should I have him bite the hand that feeds him?; October 21, 2016 at 5:53 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Like Donald Trump, Sidney has a history of abusive behavior towards a woman.

Like Donald Trump, you have the "proof" to back up your outrageous accusation.; October 21, 2016 at 5:55 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

I just checked the pacermonitor site and have found no record of my informal brief being filed... a brief which I filed on October 4, 2016... more than two weeks ago. Why is it not recorded? Anyone have a logical reason why the filing is not posted?

Should I start to panic?; October 21, 2016 at 6:00 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: As you were.; October 21, 2016 at 6:01 AM
Anonymous said...: No, you shouldn't panic, because Walt already told you it was on the PACER site (which is what the Court uses). That's how he was able to pull it up and see it.

Do you just not read posts, or can you not comprehend them?

Or do you just always look to a conspiracy to explain your inevitable failure?; October 21, 2016 at 7:23 AM
A Lawyer said...: Pacermonitor is not an official government site. (PACER is.) Pacermonitor watches for things to show up on Pacer, and then reports them to its readers. They are always slower than Pacer, and often incomplete.

If your brief is on PACER, the Court has it. Ignore Pacermonitor.; October 21, 2016 at 10:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Like Donald Trump, Sidney has a history of abusive behavior towards a woman.

Like Donald Trump, you have the "proof" to back up your outrageous accusation."

Read the anonymous comment at October 20, 2016 at 6:05 AM. That describes your abuse of Crystal Mangum perfectly.

And ike Trump, you deny tou are an abuser. Mre Trumpian behavior.; October 21, 2016 at 10:56 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous A Lawyer said...
Pacermonitor is not an official government site. (PACER is.) Pacermonitor watches for things to show up on Pacer, and then reports them to its readers. They are always slower than Pacer, and often incomplete.

If your brief is on PACER, the Court has it. Ignore Pacermonitor.

Hey, A Lawyer.

It's not that I don't believe or trust you, Walt, and others, but it seems to me that in the past pacermonitor has always kept the filings in my case fairly well updated. I thank you for the reassurances. I've been to the Pacer site, but I think that it requires registration in order to access it.; October 21, 2016 at 12:13 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"Keep in mind that Professor Coleman is employed by Duke University. Why should I have him bite the hand that feeds him?"

another de facto admission on your part that Professor Coleman does not consider you a friend.

Very Trumpian, that you claim Professor Coleman is your friend. Just like Trump's claim he witnessed thousands of Muslims celebrating the attacks on the twin towers on 9/11.; October 21, 2016 at 12:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Here's a thought, Sid....
Contact the people at Pacermonitor and ask them why no record of your brief is showing up in their software.; October 21, 2016 at 1:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 70 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 114 days since the end of June, 182 days since April 23rd, 221 days since the Ides of March, 1,065 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,416 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 22, 2016 at 3:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney said:

"but I think that it(PACER) requires registration in order to access it."

In other words, it is not free.; October 22, 2016 at 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 69 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 115 days since the end of June, 183 days since April 23rd, 222 days since the Ides of March, 1,066 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,417 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 23, 2016 at 4:39 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr:

"Keep in mind that Professor Coleman is employed by Duke University. Why should I have him bite the hand that feeds him?"

another de facto admission on your part that Professor Coleman does not consider you a friend.

Very Trumpian, that you claim Professor Coleman is your friend. Just like Trump's claim he witnessed thousands of Muslims celebrating the attacks on the twin towers on 9/11.

Let me try and clarify this point for you. I consider Professor James Coleman to be my friend... and that is the perspective from which I expound. Now then, whether or not he considers me to be his friend is another matter and one which I have not taken the time to formally investigate. Hopefully the friendship is mutual.; October 23, 2016 at 4:51 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Here's a thought, Sid....
Contact the people at Pacermonitor and ask them why no record of your brief is showing up in their software.

Good suggestion. Never thought of doing that. But, I've been busy trying to get Crystal justice, manage two lawsuits, produce a sharlog, and mail out vital correspondence. In the universal cosmos, knowing the reason why Pacermonitor has not updated my informal brief of October 4th is not a priority... especially with reassurances from Walt and A Lawyer that my filing is posted on Pacer.; October 23, 2016 at 4:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

If "knowing the reason why Pacemonitor has not updated my informal brief of October 4th is not a priority" as you now claim, why do you keep bringing it up and suggesting it is indicative of something nefarious?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 23, 2016 at 6:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

" Now then, whether or not he considers me to be his friend is another matter and one which I have not taken the time to formally investigate. Hopefully the friendship is mutual."

Again you amit that your so called friendship with Professor Coleman does not exist.; October 23, 2016 at 10:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 68 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 116 days since the end of June, 184 days since April 23rd, 223 days since the Ides of March, 1,067 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,418 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 24, 2016 at 2:58 AM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "But, I've been busy trying to get Crystal an in justice, FTFY manage two frivolous lawsuits, FTFY too, produce a sharlog, and mail out vital correspondence. In the universal cosmos, knowing the reason why Pacermonitor has not updated my informal brief of October 4th is not a priority..."

What Sid is trying to do is use the free trial portion of Pacermonitor to monitor his frivolous law suits. They've probably figured him out after he used the free trial a couple of times before and have decided that he must like it well enough to pay for it. Pay the money Sid, people have a living to make, rent and mortgages to pay, and grocery bills. Stop being a freeloader.

Walt-in-Durham; October 24, 2016 at 6:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Uh oh Walt ... now we are going to hear from Sid about how unconscionable it is that he has to pay for PACER or PACER Monitor. It's another conspiracy intended to hurt the poor (nevermind there is a specific workaround if you apply for, and are granted, indigent status).; October 24, 2016 at 10:53 AM
Anonymous said...: Why pay for the truth when you can create a conspiracy for free?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 24, 2016 at 2:20 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Sid wrote: "But, I've been busy trying to get Crystal an in justice, FTFY manage two frivolous lawsuits, FTFY too, produce a sharlog, and mail out vital correspondence. In the universal cosmos, knowing the reason why Pacermonitor has not updated my informal brief of October 4th is not a priority..."

What Sid is trying to do is use the free trial portion of Pacermonitor to monitor his frivolous law suits. They've probably figured him out after he used the free trial a couple of times before and have decided that he must like it well enough to pay for it. Pay the money Sid, people have a living to make, rent and mortgages to pay, and grocery bills. Stop being a freeloader.

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt.

First of all, I did not try to use the free trial of Pacermonitor. Why should I subscribe to it in order to get information about my own case... of which I have the original documents? It would be wasteful and redundant. However, one does not need to subscribe in order to see the docket of documents filed. That is what I am interested in seeing... not the documents themselves as I have copies of them, unless the defendants and/or Clerk of Court refuse to send them to me.

Now if the people who work at Pacermonitor are not privy to a sustainable living wage, then why don't you set up a Go Fund Me page, and I will consider making a donation.; October 25, 2016 at 4:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 67 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 117 days since the end of June, 185 days since April 23rd, 224 days since the Ides of March, 1,068 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,419 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 25, 2016 at 4:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

Your complaint has nothing to do with the people at Pacermonitor making a living wage. It is about you paying your own freight and carrying your weight.

The people at Pacer and Pacermonitor make a sustainable, living wage by charging a fee for their services. If you want to enjoy the fruits of their labor, you have to pay for it. If you don't want or can't afford to pay for their service, then you can get the information on your own.

As much of a shock as this may be to you, Pacermonitor owes you nothing. It's your case. It's entirely up to you to get the information you need about it and to monitor and track the various filings. You can either do that on your own or pay someone for it. It's that simple. If you lack the ability or means to keep track of the filings in your cases, then you shouldn't be filing them in the first place.

It's time to put on your big boy pants and accept responsibility for yourself.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 25, 2016 at 5:14 AM
kenhyderal said...: @ Walt 6:32 10-24-16: If you are quoting Dr. Harr, making "fixes" to his pronouncements, even admittedly, is not justifiable. You need to show more respect for people you disagree with and when you are giving advice refrain from hectoring.; October 25, 2016 at 9:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid has been behaving like Trump the candidate since years before Trump became Trump the candidate.; October 25, 2016 at 9:52 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal says
"You need to show more respect for people you disagree with and when you are giving advice refrain from hectoring."

As usual, Kenny feels that anyone who disagrees with him is a bully.; October 25, 2016 at 9:55 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

It would be nice if you lived up to the standards you hold others to.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 25, 2016 at 10:16 AM
kenhyderal said...: Show me where I've disrespected Walt or you for that matter.; October 25, 2016 at 2:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Check your comment at October 20, 2016 at 9:18 AM.; October 25, 2016 at 3:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

You've disrespected Meier, and all of Crystal's other attorney's, and Dr Nichols, and the jury and the rest. You are not only a whiner, liar, and abuser, you are a hypocrit.; October 25, 2016 at 7:24 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: Check your comment at October 20, 2016 at 9:18 AM"...................Be sure and read what Walt said that prompted my reply; October 25, 2016 at 9:13 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "You are not only a whiner, liar, and abuser, you are a hypocrite".............NB Abe: Not much respect shown here. By the way Dr. Nicholls was fired for cause. If Daniel Meier feels I've disrespected him let him come on-line and refute anything I've posted. He does lurk here as we know.; October 25, 2016 at 9:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny 9:13:

I did. You should be sure to read what you said that prompted my reply.; October 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 66 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 118 days since the end of June, 186 days since April 23rd, 225 days since the Ides of March, 1,069 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,420 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 26, 2016 at 3:20 AM
Anonymous said...: Krnhyderal:

"If Daniel Meier feels I've disrespected him let him come on-line and refute anything I've posted. He does lurk here as we know."

That is something to you saying , Prove there were no unidentified rapists. The principle is, he who asserts must prove. You have not proven Daniel Meier was ineffective. That Crystal was convicted is not prof he was ineffective. How about you prove Daniel Meier was ineffective. So far you have not.; October 26, 2016 at 3:42 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sid:

Your complaint has nothing to do with the people at Pacermonitor making a living wage. It is about you paying your own freight and carrying your weight.

The people at Pacer and Pacermonitor make a sustainable, living wage by charging a fee for their services. If you want to enjoy the fruits of their labor, you have to pay for it. If you don't want or can't afford to pay for their service, then you can get the information on your own.

As much of a shock as this may be to you, Pacermonitor owes you nothing. It's your case. It's entirely up to you to get the information you need about it and to monitor and track the various filings. You can either do that on your own or pay someone for it. It's that simple. If you lack the ability or means to keep track of the filings in your cases, then you shouldn't be filing them in the first place.

It's time to put on your big boy pants and accept responsibility for yourself.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

Hey, Abe.

I think you miss the point. It was through Pacermonitor that I found out about the clandestine double filing of the Motion to Dismiss with Judge Flanagan. So I check the site routinely to see if any additional shenanigans might be taking place. In the past it seemed to be pretty much up to date with the posting of the documents in my case, so that is why I am in a quandary as to why my informal brief has not been posted 22 days (now) after it was filed. I have really received no explanation that is acceptable to me.

As far as using its services, I am in receipt of the documents, being a party in the action, and therefore, it would be superfluous for me to pay Pacermonitor or Pacer to view documents that are in my possession.

Abe, consider yourself edificatified.; October 26, 2016 at 4:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

You claim you know that Meier lurks here ... based on a post from several years ago, and then another post from over a year ago where he said he was told about something on here ... Sid did say he reached out to Meier, and even posted a letter Meier sent back to Crystal in response (but Sid yanked it quick, I guess because it discussed the plea lie and other issues), where Meier said he'd talk if he had written permission from Crystal.

Sid never did get provide that permission, you've never even gotten off your lazy ass and tried to contact anyone. If you want a response from Meier - contact him - his e-mail address is publicly available.

You do know how pathetic you really are, right?; October 26, 2016 at 4:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid - if you aren't going to pay, stop whining. You have the documents, you filed them. The fact that Pacermonitor doesn't list them is on them, not you. If you aren't a paying customer, they have every right to just ignore your blather.; October 26, 2016 at 5:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr's comment of October 26, 2016 at 4:01 AM is but another example of his Trumpian behavior, seeing non existent conspiracies as explanations of his failures.; October 26, 2016 at 7:11 AM
kenhyderal said...: I have nothing to discuss with Meier. I simply challenge him to go on record and refute the specific charges I've made about his failures and to demonstrate them to those here who defend him. His defenders here claim he would have interviewed those at Duke who treated Daye. I know he did not He made no effort to seek out the many who could attest to Daye's chronic alcoholism. Instead he accepted the guarded testimony by relatives and an ex-girlfriend who made only the most tentative statements about his drinking. Obviously they knew he was a drunk but did not want to speak ill of good old Reggie. He did not look into the myriad of knives scattered throughout the apartment. He did not look into Daye's previous surgically repaired stab wound.; October 26, 2016 at 8:59 PM
guiowen said...: Kenny,
How do you know all that?; October 26, 2016 at 10:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny is a master of argument by assertion.; October 27, 2016 at 2:44 AM
Anonymous said...: Krnhyderal:

"I have nothing to discuss with Meier. I simply challenge him to go on record and refute the specific charges I've made "

How about YOU go on line and show the charges you made have merit. So far you have not.; October 27, 2016 at 3:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 65 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 119 days since the end of June, 187 days since April 23rd, 226 days since the Ides of March, 1,070 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,421 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Consider yourself elucified.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 27, 2016 at 3:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Except, as has been explained to you - you have no idea if he is even here, and you aren't his client.

Kenny is a pathetic little whiny abusive coward.; October 27, 2016 at 4:52 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

Your efforts to goad Mr. Meier into responding to you are unserious and do not merit a response.

Mr. Meier owes you nothing. If you or Sid believe he did something or wrong, that Mangum did not receive a fair trial or adequate representation, and/or that she is innocent, it is up to you to prove it. You have both failed spectacularly in that regard. Thus far, all you have managed to do is hurl unfounded accusations and invectives at everyone and everything associated with the Mangum case. That is not effective advocacy. It is a tactic employed by those who cannot make a case based on the facts or law.

Now go and make something of the day.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 27, 2016 at 5:52 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 2:44 AM wrote: "Kenny is a master of argument by assertion."

Ding-Ding-Ding! Ladies and Gentlemen, We Have A Winner!

He who asserts, must prove. Kenny has failed to prove. Worse, he seems to be arguing that the late Daye, somehow lost his right to live simply because he was an alcoholic. If indeed he was. That too is by no means proven. However, drunks do not forfeit their rights simply by being drunks. They too have every right to live. They have every right to expect when they give up a fight not to be stabbed. In fact, Kenny seems to say that he wants a killer to get a free pass simply because she killed a drunkard. That's not the law, nor is it the way a civilized people operate. We don't go around killing off drunks.

Of course, the victim's own medical conditions and decisions don't relieve the defendant of criminal culpability. That too is a long held principal of criminal law that Kenny chooses to ignore. Of course, without evidence that there was some sort of intervening cause, Kenny is engaging in a rather pointless tirade. He also ignores the fact that not one, but two experts found no evidence of an intervening cause. He speculates that somewhere there is an expert who can conjure up some intervening cause, if only Meier had searched high and low for that expert. Well, that might have worked if Sid had not breached Crystal's trust in him and kept quiet about the fact that Crystal's own expert found no evidence of an intervening cause. Sid might have been in a position to really help Crystal with his alleged medical expertise. He could have perhaps given her some information to help her find an expert who was willing to testify to an intervening cause. Or, if he is such a well connected Medical Doctor, he might have even been able to give her the name of a fellow M.D. who could review the records and testify favorably. He did not. Instead, he made sure that the state would know that the defense expert had no plan to testify to an intervening cause and he didn't help Crystal find a different expert. Leading me to conclude the following:
(1) there is no expert who thinks there is an intervening cause, and
(2) Sid is manipulating Crystal for his own agenda.

Walt-in-Durham; October 27, 2016 at 6:53 AM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said" Worse, he seems to be arguing that the late Daye, somehow lost his right to live simply because he was an alcoholic. If indeed he was. That too is by no means proven. However, drunks do not forfeit their rights simply by being drunks. They too have every right to live. They have every right to expect when they give up a fight not to be stabbed. In fact, Kenny seems to say that he wants a killer to get a free pass simply because she killed a drunkard. That's not the law, nor is it the way a civilized people operate. We don't go around killing off drunks...........................................O.M.G. Seems to say? No Walt I do not say any such things. Daye lost his right to live when he tried to kill Crystal. Daye's improbable story of breaking off his attack on Crystal was never vetted; October 27, 2016 at 10:19 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "How about YOU go on line and show the charges you made have merit. So far you have not"........................................... In this matter I have taken the advice of poster "A Lawyer".; October 27, 2016 at 10:24 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "O.M.G. Seems to say? No Walt I do not say any such things. Daye lost his right to live when he tried to kill Crystal."

You are the one who keeps bringing up the late Daye's history of alcoholism and his supposed DTs.

"Daye's improbable story of breaking off his attack on Crystal was never vetted[.]"

FYI vet - to appraise, verify, or check for accuracy. Vetted - past tense of vet. The late Daye's story is supported by the physical evidence. Crystal's is not. Both versions are somewhat self serving. This is to be expected where there are no witnesses other than the combatants. However, Crystal's lack of defensive wounds, more than tips the scales toward Daye's version of events. The only improbable story is Crystal's.

Walt-in-Durham; October 27, 2016 at 11:11 AM
Anonymous said...: Plus, the reason the 404b evidence (which Sidney tries to dismiss) was so damning is because in a similar situation with Milton, Crystal ran into the other room and went after him with a knife.

Not only did the physical evidence match Daye's story a bit better, Crystal had a history of going after boyfriends with knives.; October 27, 2016 at 11:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhygeral:

"O.M.G. Seems to say? No Walt I do not say any such things. Daye lost his right to live when he tried to kill Crystal."

You have offered only allegations, not proof, that Reginald Daye tried to kill Crystal, just like you have offered only allegations that Crystal Mangum was raped.

"Daye's improbable story of breaking off his attack on Crystal was never vetted".

Again, what has never been vetted, never been proven, was that ReginaldDaye attacked Crystal in the first place.; October 27, 2016 at 11:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"In this matter I have taken the advice of poster 'A Lawyer'".

What advice?

this seems to be an admission you can not show your allegations against Meier have merit.

You presume, not for the first time, your allegations must be presumed true unless someone formally proves tey are not. Again, that is a tactic to avoid having to prove the allegations you make, intellectual dishonesty.; October 27, 2016 at 11:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny stated: In this matter I have taken the advice of poster "A Lawyer".

A Lawyer,

Did you really advise Kenny that he should limit his activities to posting unsupported assertions on a sparsely read blog and do nothing more substantive to help Crystal?; October 27, 2016 at 1:26 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Again, what has never been vetted, never been proven, was that ReginaldDaye attacked Crystal in the first place'.....................Whaa?; October 27, 2016 at 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny asks: Whaa?

The poster made an obvious misstatement. It is clear that Daye initiated the attack. Daye's admitted that. However, the evidence supports Daye's claim that he broke off the attack.

However, someone who professes to believe in mystery rapists should be quite so snide in his reaction. You may have had more credibility in discussing Cystal's murder case if you had not made such ridiculous claims about the rape frame.; October 27, 2016 at 2:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Daye admitted he attacked Crystal - he admitted she ran from him and locked herself in the bathroom, and he kicked in the door and drug her out. So, even if she had started the fight, she regained self defense when she retreated. He says he let her go and turned to leave and she ran into the other room - he regained right of self defense when he this abandoned the fight.

It can go back and forth - you look at if someone attempted to abandon the fight - no matter what happened before then, if the original aggressor (or most recent one) abandons the fight - you can't kill them. Daye abandoned the fight, this Crystal again became the aggressor when she went into the other room and grabbed a knife and went after him.; October 27, 2016 at 5:46 PM
kenhyderal said...: So explain the myriad of knives, some broken, scattered throughout the apartment. Are you suggesting Crystal went and got 20 knives and began throwing them at Daye. His account mentions no such thing and therefore does not jibe with what was found.It was a single stab wound. The angle of penetration suggested a thrust upward indicating Daye was on top of her. Daye neither mentioned or was questioned about the multitude of knives.; October 27, 2016 at 9:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"So explain the myriad of knives, some broken, scattered throughout the apartment."

So explain why that story should be considered credible. Did you actually witness what was in the apartment after the murder?; October 28, 2016 at 3:23 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 64 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 120 days since the end of June, 188 days since April 23rd, 227 days since the Ides of March, 1,071 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,422 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 28, 2016 at 3:25 AM
Anonymous said...: No - she testified he threw them, and that's probably right - but it doesn't change that the most credible story was that after he drug her out of the bathroom he let her go and turned to leave and she ran and got a knife and stabbed him. There was no physical evidence of the choking she claimed was going on, - and the fact the knife was in the other room - it would be odd for her to stab him, he roll off her, she get up, - all while carrying the knife to the other room. It makes sense she stabbed him in the hall, while standing, and then fled Tossing the knife along the way.

You still ignore that for self-defense most of what happened before the bathroom isn't relevant. The entire issue is if he let her go and she ran into the kitchen to get the knife and go back at him or if he was lying on her and choking her in the bedroom when she stabbed him. Because of her history and the physical evidence, the jury believed his story.; October 28, 2016 at 3:46 AM
kenhyderal said...: So, if a large number of knives were hurled at Crystal, presumably one at a time and scattered throughout the apartment, why then did she have to go into the kitchen for "A" knife. Why didn't Daye's statement make any reference to the rest of the knives? This whole sequence, the knife throwing part, is not explained or accounted for. Crystal's version of grabbling a knife, close by, while Daye was on top of her is consistent with what was found at the scene. That, plus the angle of the wound gives credibility to Crystal's version. Blood spatter in a clothed individual does not equatet with where the person was at the point of penetration. Keep in mind Daye was never immobilized by the wound.; October 28, 2016 at 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"So, if a large number of knives were hurled at Crystal, presumably one at a time and scattered throughout the apartment, why then did she have to go into the kitchen for "A" knife."

How do we know that happened. That story came from Crystal after she had been charged with a felony. Crystal, judging fom her documented behavior in the Duke Rape Hoax, was not a credible witness to anything.; October 28, 2016 at 10:08 AM
A Lawyer said...: In this matter I have taken the advice of poster "A Lawyer".

I have no idea what "advice" you are referring to.; October 28, 2016 at 10:48 AM
Anonymous said...: MAR?; October 28, 2016 at 12:58 PM
kenhyderal said...: A Lawyer said: "I have no idea what "advice" you are referring to"..................................,. In the case of a new trial not to reveal to the prosecution what additional evidence has been developed.; October 28, 2016 at 1:06 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "How do we know that happened"..........................We know that the knives were scattered all over the apartment. Daye made no reference to them. Crystal testified as to how they got there. I don't know how anyone can consider the presence of them irrelevant to her belief that her life was at risk.; October 28, 2016 at 1:13 PM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 12:58 PM wrote: "MAR?"

Excellent question.

Answer: Dismissed without prejudice as improperly plead using the wrong forms. Clerk ordered to send directly to Crystal the correct forms. Won't count as a dismissal for the two dismissal rule because she's pro se. Yet again, Sid fails, can't even use the right form, or he can't find the right court.

Walt-in-Durham; October 28, 2016 at 1:49 PM
Anonymous said...: So, Walt,

Will Sid (um, I mean Crystal), fill out the proper forms and re-file them, or will he appeal the dismissal and scream conspiracy?; October 28, 2016 at 2:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"We know that the knives were scattered all over the apartment. Daye made no reference to them. Crystal testified as to how they got there."

I repeat, the story of Reginald Daye came from Crystal, who has been proven in the past to be an unreliable witness She made the allegation after she had been charged with a felony. Did the police ever confirm that?; October 28, 2016 at 3:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 63 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 121 days since the end of June, 189 days since April 23rd, 228 days since the Ides of March, 1,072 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,423 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Do you see where this is going yet?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 29, 2016 at 5:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Thanks Walt for posting the status of the MAR. Maybe Mangum will see the light on Sidney and try and get some real help from:

http://www.ncpls.org/

But my suspicions are that Mangum really does not care. Less than 10 years to go on her sentence.; October 29, 2016 at 7:15 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "She made the allegation after she had been charged with a felony.".........,...:According to the testimony of Police Officer Marianne Bond, Crystal wanted to make a statement, but before she could do so, she was placed under arrest and was read her Miranda Rights being told that anything she said could be used against her. Officer Bond then asked Mangum if she wanted to answer some questions and at that time, which is her right, she declined.; October 29, 2016 at 2:46 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous also said "Did the police ever confirm that"..................Confirm what? The knives were found scattered all over the apartment. No finger prints could be extracted from them . Before he died Daye was never questioned about the knives. In his statement he neglected to mention them. Guess why? There presence was an indication of his homicidal rage.; October 29, 2016 at 2:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: "She made the allegation after she had been charged with a felony.".........,...:According to the testimony of Police Officer Marianne Bond, Crystal wanted to make a statement, but before she could do so, she was placed under arrest and was read her Miranda Rights being told that anything she said could be used against her. Officer Bond then asked Mangum if she wanted to answer some questions and at that time, which is her right, she declined."

So?; October 29, 2016 at 3:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous also said "Did the police ever confirm that"..................Confirm what? The knives were found scattered all over the apartment. No finger prints could be extracted from them . Before he died Daye was never questioned about the knives. In his statement he neglected to mention them. Guess why? There presence was an indication of his homicidal rage."

Who besides Crystal said there were knives scattered around the apartment?

If there were, and no fingerprints could be extracted, that would be evidence that Reginald Daye was not throwing the knives.; October 29, 2016 at 3:25 PM
kenhyderal said...: Obviously you did not follow the trial; October 29, 2016 at 4:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny states: Obviously you did not follow the trial

And just as obviously you did not follow the lacrosse frame.; October 29, 2016 at 4:16 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

During the trial who testified about knives being scattered around the apartment?; October 29, 2016 at 5:00 PM
guiowen said...: Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Crystal herself had thrown the knives all over the apartment, so she could claim self-defense. She was careful not to leave her fingerprints on them,but of course there was no way she could falsify Reggie's prints. Good trick, Crystal! It almost worked -- at least it gave good old Kenny an interesting argument.; October 29, 2016 at 6:42 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said:, "During the trial who testified about knives being scattered around the apartment"...........................Almon Brown C.S.I specialist; October 29, 2016 at 9:21 PM
JSwift said...: Kenny asserts: Before he died Daye was never questioned about the knives. In his statement he neglected to mention them. Guess why? There [sic] presence was an indication of his homicidal rage.

Argument by assertion. Other than Crystal's self-serving statement, we do not know why, how or when the knives were strewn about the apartment.

Kenny, do you believe intellectually dishonest arguments are effective?

John D. Smith
New York, NY; October 30, 2016 at 2:43 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 62 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 122 days since the end of June, 190 days since April 23rd, 229 days since the Ides of March, 1,073 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,424 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 30, 2016 at 4:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Again, Kenny, you ignore -

Yes, Daye was in a rage - he admitted that, and kicking in the bathroom door, and dragging Crystal out indicated that. BUT, it all comes down to what happened next - did he let her go, and she ran into the other room to grab a knife and stab him, or was he on top of her choking her when she stabbed him. The jury believed his story due to the physical evidence and her history.

He was drunk, he was in a rage - he admitted that, it wasn't in dispute.

In fact, a neighbor had said that he had a history of abuse towards Crystal, which would have helped establish a mindset -but Crystal specifically stated that neighbor was lying and that until this day, Daye was always kind and gentle, had never even raised his voice to her.

Everything that happened before she retreated into the bathroom is largely irrelevant - at that time, she clearly retreated from the fight and tried to abandon it. No matter who had been the initial aggressor, Daye clearly because the aggressor when he kicked in the door and drug her out.

The issue is if he continued the fight until the stabbing, or had abandoned the fight and turned to go. That's it, that's the issue. That's what the jury decided self-defense on.; October 30, 2016 at 7:45 AM
guiowen said...: J Swift said,

"Kenny, do you believe intellectually dishonest arguments are effective?"

When that's all you have, you have to use such arguments. You can then claim that you've been insulted when people don't accept them.; October 30, 2016 at 7:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal cited Almon Brown C.S.I specialist.

That took me to a video from crystal's trial i which this CSI Specialist is reviewing photographs of Reginald Daye's Apartment. So far I am about 34 minutes into the video. So far there were a couple of pictures showed a knife and a knife blade on the couch. Oter pictures showed knives on a kitchen counter. So far, these pictures do not document Kenhyderal's claim, "The knives were found scattered ALL OVER THE APARTMENT(emphasis added)."

There were a number of pictures of the master bedroom showing the mattress on the bed undisturbed. If I remember correctly, Crystal claimed she had pulled the mattress off the bed and used it to shield herself from Reginald Daye's attack.

More to come as I further review the video.; October 30, 2016 at 2:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

That video shows photographs of Reginald Daye'sapartment, multiple areas. They do not show knives all over the apartment.

Youa re a liar.; October 30, 2016 at 2:39 PM
Anonymous said...: No, if you watched, there were knives all over the apartment. Kenny is right on that - he's wrong on any significance that has.; October 30, 2016 at 2:59 PM
kenhyderal said...: http://www.wral.com/witness-mangum-home-had-broken-knives-broken-door/13125517/; October 30, 2016 at 3:04 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "he's wrong on any significance that has"........................ I wonder if a jury of Crystal's peers would agree to that.; October 30, 2016 at 3:06 PM
guiowen said...: I already told you, it was Crystal herself who threw all those knives around, hoping to blame Reggie. If he had thrown them, his fingerprints would be all over. Crystal, on the other hand, had plenty of time to wipe her prints off.; October 30, 2016 at 3:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Watch the closings - the jury knew the knives were everywhere, and they had crystal say why they were around. They knew. But as noted above - what happened before the bathroom wasn't an issue. But Meier stressed the knives.; October 30, 2016 at 4:07 PM
JSwift said...: Kenny asks: I wonder if a jury of Crystal's peers would agree to that.

Anonymous 4:07 observes:
Watch the closings - the jury knew the knives were everywhere, and they had crystal say why they were around. They knew. But as noted above - what happened before the bathroom wasn't an issue. But Meier stressed the knives.

The answer is YES. A jury of Crystal's peer would and did agree to that.

Your argument can be characterized as including the intellectually dishonest rhetorical device called willful ignorance.

Kenny, I ask again: Do you believe intellectually dishonest arguments are effective?

John D. Smith
New York, NY; October 30, 2016 at 8:21 PM
kenhyderal said...: The make-up of this jury was prejudicial to Crystal. Between Meier's failure to challenge Jurors with connections to Duke and Judge Ridgeway who failed to dismiss the juror who wanted to put the reputation of Durham ahead of providing Crystal a fair hearing this body could hardly be considered a jury of her peers. Because of the vilification of Crystal by the Duke Lacrosse Defence finding a completely impartial jury in Durham was neigh to impossible and the venue should have been changed.; October 30, 2016 at 9:11 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 61 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 123 days since the end of June, 191 days since April 23rd, 230 days since the Ides of March, 1,074 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,425 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; October 31, 2016 at 1:48 AM
Anonymous said...: A jury of Crystal's peers - liars,drug addicts,car thieves,prostitutes,and murderers.; October 31, 2016 at 3:22 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 2:07 PM wrote: "There were a number of pictures of the master bedroom showing the mattress on the bed undisturbed. If I remember correctly, Crystal claimed she had pulled the mattress off the bed and used it to shield herself from Reginald Daye's attack."

Ding-Ding-Ding! Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner!

Well done Anon at 2:07. You looked at the evidence and immediately was that the physical evidence contradicted Crystal's self serving testimony. From that you, like the jury, drew the conclusion that she was being untruthful.

Walt-in-Durham; October 31, 2016 at 6:28 AM
kenhyderal said...: No Walt Anonymous at 2:07 is not a winner. Twisting Crystal's words is par for the course. eg She was suspended in the air while she was being raped in the bathroom. What Crystal did was raise a corner of the mattress to shield herself against incoming knives. Gravity returned the mattress to it's original position; October 31, 2016 at 9:05 AM
Anonymous said...: No, she specifically said she took it off, and when asked how it got placed back, suggested that perhaps the police put it back to make her look bad.

You really need to look at the trial - she said she pulled it off.; October 31, 2016 at 9:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Now Kenhyderal is showing Trumpian behavior.; October 31, 2016 at 9:58 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal said,
"What Crystal did was raise a corner of the mattress"

As usual, Kenny modifies Crystal's statements to try to make them seem truthful.; October 31, 2016 at 10:39 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "What Crystal did was raise a corner of the mattress to shield herself against incoming knives. Gravity returned the mattress to it's original position[.]"

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZt (Manual buzzer sound) Run him! Caught mis-remembering.

Guiowne wrote: "As usual, Kenny modifies Crystal's statements to try to make them seem truthful."

Ding-Ding-Ding! Ladies and Gentlemen, we have another winner!

Walt-in-Durham; October 31, 2016 at 12:49 PM
kenhyderal said...: Walt you and Guiowen intentionally mischaracterize Crystal's words either to suggest she was either lying or she was fantasizing. We know Daye, in a drunken rage, had murderous intent. You don't otherwise hurl knives at a person. We know Crystal locked herself in the bathroom to escape. We know he violently kicked in the door and dragged her out by the hair. He then claimed he terminated the deadly assault. Crystal claims it stopped only when she stabbed him. He claims she went to get a knife from the kitchen. We know that knives were scattered throughout. However the mattress was found, Crystal saying it came off when he dragged her off the bed by her ankles and at one point she used it as a shield is inconsequential to the acknowledged fact that Daye was trying to kill her. Claiming he broke off his deadly attack is unproven. Him trying to kill her is not.; October 31, 2016 at 3:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal said:

"Claiming he broke off his deadly attack is unproven."

A jury of 12 already has begged to differ. Until you get a new trial for Mangum this discussion is mute.; October 31, 2016 at 3:52 PM
JSwift said...: Kenny stated: We know Daye, in a drunken rage, had murderous intent. You don't otherwise hurl knives at a person. We know Crystal locked herself in the bathroom to escape. We know he violently kicked in the door and dragged her out by the hair. He then claimed he terminated the deadly assault. Crystal claims it stopped only when she stabbed him. He claims she went to get a knife from the kitchen. We know that knives were scattered throughout. However the mattress was found, Crystal saying it came off when he dragged her off the bed by her ankles and at one point she used it as a shield is inconsequential to the acknowledged fact that Daye was trying to kill her. Claiming he broke off his deadly attack is unproven. Him trying to kill her is not.

Please provide your proof that Daye "had murderous intent" and was "trying to kill her." Please also provide your proof that Daye hurled knives at Crystal that night. Crystal's assertion is not sufficient.

John D. Smith
New York, NY; October 31, 2016 at 4:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

you latest screed is nothing more than wholesale indulgence in presuming as facts itrms which are not at all established as facts.; October 31, 2016 at 5:03 PM
kenhyderal said...: JSwift said:" Please provide your proof that Daye "had murderous intent" and was "trying to kill her." Please also provide your proof that Daye hurled knives at Crystal that night. Crystal's assertion is not sufficient"..................................................................... It's circumstantial evidence. Who threw the knives? Daye failed to mention them? If Crystal had thrown them would he not have said so? Hurling knives at someone is an indication of murderous intent. Throwing a knife at someone shows intent to maim or kill. Please provide your alternate explanation of the how the knives got scattered all over. Good luck. Crystal throwing knives at Daye and him neglecting to mention that to Officer Bond, improbable. Get real John D.; October 31, 2016 at 9:25 PM
guiowen said...: I've told you before: Crystal threw them around the apartment AFTER Reggie left. That's why Reggie's prints were not on them. That's also why Reggie did not know about them.; October 31, 2016 at 9:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 60 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 124 days since the end of June, 192 days since April 23rd, 231 days since the Ides of March, 1,075 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,426 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; November 1, 2016 at 2:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"t's circumstantial evidence. Who threw the knives? Daye failed to mention them?"

That should have been a clue yo you, that Reginald Daye did not know about the knives in the apartment, that it was Crystal Mangum who tossed the knives around, an attempt to cover up her stabbing of Reginald Daye.; November 1, 2016 at 3:11 AM

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Thursday, October 6, 2016

Harr v. Freeman: Informal Brief on Appeal

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