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1 – 200 of 281 Newer› Newest»DukeCheck got at least one thing right, Sid...you are a nutjob.
So "Biased blogging is against the policy" of your committee?
Please, Sidney!
Shid needsh to shwallow the shpit(?) in hissh mouth before reconding these flogsh.
Hilarious, folks. Now THIS is some funny stuff, harr. at the risk of being flayed by reverend kenny, I will say this is the ultimate pot calling the kettle "black". How funny can you get!! did you stay up late and write this crap or what?
Biased blogging? The funniest line of the year, so far.
Lordy, BRO, HIGH-lair-ree-us!!!!
wow, sidney, either stop doing your own voice-overs or get some speech therapy. whew.
As to the merits, truthfulness or worthwhile-ness of this blog critique junket, harr gets an F grade. Poor writing, terrible speaking, and factually inaccurate. If you enjoyed reading the Mangum trash "book", you're gonna love this. Wins my vote for the dribble award.
I knew the first time I saw a photograph of Crystal that the lacrosse players were completely innocent.As a Duke co-ed explained at the time - "those guys could get any girl they wanted.They would never have to stoop that low." Gang rape in a bathroom,lol.
For those who can stomach it, take a good hard look at the photo that appears on the J4N web site. There is the Durham bigot-in-residence herself (victoria, I am the keeper of christian morals peterson, apparently handling a guitar/case next to Nifong. If ever there were reason to IGNORE Harr and his merry band of loonies, this photo is all it takes for most of us. Shame on Harr for his blatant hypocrisy in spouting his stomach-turning man from nazareth crap while he calls this homophobic witch "courageous". Shame on Rev. Kenny, the newly ordained fount of bible verses, for his religious argle bargle and foaming over harr. People of color in the Triangle who see this kind of self righteous dribble and the hateful trash that comes out of Peterson and harr are offended......deeply offended.
No "biased blog" my left hind foot, harr. Your silliness, racism and hatred of white people make you what you are....a sad little man.
guiowen said...
So "Biased blogging is against the policy" of your committee?
Please, Sidney!
The only biased blogging I may be guilty of is a bias towards justice... and it just so happens that Mike Nifong and Crystal Mangum are on the side of justice.
Anonymous said...
Shid needsh to shwallow the shpit(?) in hissh mouth before reconding these flogsh.
Notice how those without talent and courage are the loudest to criticize about trifeness?
I would be anxious to see your flog... in which case I would give it constructive criticism. Let me know when you post.
Your entire web site is a racist biased and bigoted affront to justice and truth. by your words and actions, you show what you are.....an embarrassment to your community. shame.
Anonymous said...
Hilarious, folks. Now THIS is some funny stuff, harr. at the risk of being flayed by reverend kenny, I will say this is the ultimate pot calling the kettle "black". How funny can you get!! did you stay up late and write this crap or what?
Biased blogging? The funniest line of the year, so far.
Lordy, BRO, HIGH-lair-ree-us!!!!
As I have said before, the purpose of this blog is to educate, enlighten, and entertain. If you are beyond the capacity of being educated or enlightened, I am glad that you are at least entertained.
Anonymous said...
For those who can stomach it, take a good hard look at the photo that appears on the J4N web site. There is the Durham bigot-in-residence herself (victoria, I am the keeper of christian morals peterson, apparently handling a guitar/case next to Nifong. If ever there were reason to IGNORE Harr and his merry band of loonies, this photo is all it takes for most of us. Shame on Harr for his blatant hypocrisy in spouting his stomach-turning man from nazareth crap while he calls this homophobic witch "courageous". Shame on Rev. Kenny, the newly ordained fount of bible verses, for his religious argle bargle and foaming over harr. People of color in the Triangle who see this kind of self righteous dribble and the hateful trash that comes out of Peterson and harr are offended......deeply offended.
No "biased blog" my left hind foot, harr. Your silliness, racism and hatred of white people make you what you are....a sad little man.
To invoke the insightful words of another American: "Can't we all get along?"
Thereby go ye enlightened.
Bigoted racist idiots do not educate or enlighten...unless, of course, you want to count examples like the Klan, or the New black panthers, or Farrakan or Reverend Fred Phelps...or You or Peterson. People like you two do educate and enlighten because you help the rest of us realize, with every word that comes out of your mouths, just how distorted, hate filled and lie contaminated your minds actually are. What I feel for people like you is a certain sense of pity.....because you cannot see beyond the length of your own noses. Unforunately, bigotry and hate has its roots in ignorance and you two are living breathing examples of the sorriest kind of backward thinking.
Too bad old Rodney didn't follow his own words....seeing as how he was charged with and convicted of several crimes long AFTER he made that statement.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"The only biased blogging I may be guilty of is a bias towards justice... and it just so happens that Mike Nifong and Crystal Mangum are on the side of justice."
You make such a blatantly false and absurd statement and you want to be considered a genius.
BULLSHIT!!!!
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"Notice how those without talent and courage are the loudest to criticize about trifeness?"
Yes, we have all seen that in you and in your disciple KEN(innY).
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"As I have said before, the purpose of this blog is to educate, enlighten, and entertain. If you are beyond the capacity of being educated or enlightened, I am glad that you are at least entertained."
This would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. SIDN(inn)EY, the burned out lightbulb of Raleigh, the consumate deluded megalomaniac, has on many occasions over the years he has published this so called blog that he himself is totally incapable of enlightenment or education.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
A prime example of hypocrisy on your part.
Someone who conducts a vendetta against three innocent men because they are Caucasians who were not wrongfully convicted of rape after being falsely accused by a black woman, is not an example of getting along
In Sidney Speak:
Notish how thosh without talent and courage are the loudesht to critishize about trifenessh?
Hmmm...Is it "trifeness"? Can't find that in a dictionary... Anyway, don't stand too close to him, folks...When he's spewing off at the mouth, there's a good chance you'll get soaked.
Thereby go ye....sshpitbathed
Too bad Al Gore invented the internet, huh! (yes, I know, Al is a legend in his own mind.....)
anyway, because we have the internet, we have harr able to blather away. BUT, just like the wonderful change-the-channel button on the remote control, all we have to do is hit the mouse...and this crackpot disappears. don't cha love technology!!! CLICK
Anonymous @ 12: 26 said: "People of color in the Triangle who see this kind of self righteous dribble and the hateful trash that comes out of Peterson and harr are offended......deeply offended"........ If you are in fact a member of the Black community in the Triangle Area, judging by what I have been told, you are completely out of step with the majority of them. I do not know Mrs. Peterson but as a Christian, I disagree with her views on this issue. It does appear, however, judging from the recent plebicite that the majority of North Carolinians in the Black Community as well as in the broader Community agree with her. Hopefully, like President Obama their views will soon evolve. As for former DA Nifong, I wager the Black Community would re-elect him, at the drop of a hat,if given the chance. Crystal Mangum is widely believed, in the Black Community to have been a victim in the Duke Lacrosse case. As for Dr. Harr he is a tireless fighter for a more just American society for all peoples including I might add white people and gay people. So if you are a Triangle area Black I'm afraid you are in a tiny minority in your own community.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Crystal Mangum is widely believed, in the Black Community to have been a victim in the Duke Lacrosse case. As for Dr. Harr he is a tireless fighter for a more just American society for all peoples including I might add white people and gay people. So if you are a Triangle area Black I'm afraid you are in a tiny minority in your own community."
Where were all her supporters at SIDN(inn)EY's non news conference?
SIDN(inn)EY is conducting a vendetta against thre innocent Caucasian men because they were not wrongfully convicted of rape after a Black woman falsely accused them. that does not qualify him as a fighter for justice.
As for you, your recent comment about David Evans(after DNA results did not implicate him in the alleged crime, NI(nny)FONG changed the charge to sexual assault) shows you have not done a whole lot of research into the case.
Accepting implausible propaganda as fact is not research.
kenhyderal said...
"As for former DA Nifong, I wager the Black Community would re-elect him, at the drop of a hat,if given the chance. Crystal Mangum is widely believed, in the Black Community to have been a victim in the Duke Lacrosse case."
And what support can you provide for these bold statements, little Kenny?
Anonymous @ 5:22 said: "And what support can you provide for these bold statements, little Kenny".... It was a rhetorical wager and although I have no statistics to back it up I'm confident that this is the case. By the way are you perhaps the same Anonymous who at 12:26 AM 5/22/12 asserted that "Black people in the Triangle area who see this kind of self righteous dribble and the hateful trash that comes out of Peterson and harr are offended......deeply offended"
That's a rather bold statement that I suspect can not be supported.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I ask again, when SIDN(inn)EY held his non news conference, where were all of Crystal's supporters?
Kenny, you know ZIP about certain communities in Durham unless you are lying and are now living in East Durham instead of East Dubai.
First, there is no single black community, no monolithic uni-thought group.
Second, many people of color in Durham were outspoken in their disgust with Nifong and their relief that he was disbarred....not only because of what he did to Mangum but also for his well documented history of bullying. If you had a clue, you would know this.
Third, the overwhelming majority of persons of color in Durham could care less what Harr says. In fact, he is considered laughable. There was a strong sentiment of anger expressed toward his recent actions of interference that led to Shella's departure from the case. Again, supposedly you are not in Durham so you say "what you have been told". How very convenient for you.
Fourth, you represent the black community as blind ignorant sheep, willing to vote for Nifong even now. How racist can you get, Kenny? Persons of color have brains....believe it or not.
Fifth, the tyranny of the majority (in the voting booth) ran roughshod over minority rights in the south for decades until federal intervention occured. I am surprised you don't know and understand this.
Sixth, the issue here is not Amendment One. The issue is Harr's handholding with the most infamous bigot in Durham, arm in arm with this woman who calls gay people disease ridden perverts. THAT'S shameful. Those of us who care about equal rights for ALL....not just for a particular class or group.....see the hypocrisy in his statements about the courage of his handfull of followers.
People like you who think persons of color can be fooled and manipulated over and over demonstrate your own ignorance.
Pathetic.
Mangum is an embarrassment and a disgrace to those who are hard working, law abiding citizens in Durham. In spite of what you think, we want her to have a fair trial and we want her to be held accountable, based on the results of a fair trial.
Ken,
Perhaps you are not aware that:
Not one member of the infamous Duke 88 is still ranting about poor Mangum and how the evil white people are out to get her;
Jesse Jackson has disappeared;
Al Sharpton has disappeared;
The NBP is not prancing around in their little neo-storm trooper uniforms in Durham;
The NAACP isn't advocating storming the jail to free Sister;
An outstanding African American attorney had a bellyfull of Mangum and left the case.
Oh, and by the way, you might want to sometime give Sid's famous pal, Professor Coleman (duke faculty) a call and see how he feels about Nifong.
A quote from James Coleman, professor, Duke, and highly respected member of the African American community in Durham....
"Coleman Tears Down the Wall
n spectacular fashion, by Professor of Law James Coleman has shattered the Duke faculty’s “blue wall of silence” regarding Mike Nifong’s myriad procedural improprieties. The former Democratic chief counsel to the House Ethics Committee called in this morning’s News and Observer for a special prosecutor to replace Nifong: "I don't think he's showing detached judgment. I personally have no confidence in him." Coleman added, correctly, “I think any decent prosecutor in North Carolina could handle this case. It's important to have somebody that people respect, someone who has no dog in the fight. It has to be resolved in a way that people have confidence in the outcome."
This quote was June, 2006. Since that time Coleman has spoken publicly about Nifong and has never made any public statement endorsing or supporting Nifong. This is someone who gets and deserves the respect of the African American community in Durham. Is he to be considered someone who would vote for Nifong today? Huh, Kenny?
Does Sidney really think anyone is going to sit through all 9 minutes? I had to stop watching it after the line about "biased blogging". I threw up in my mouth a little when I saw that. Tasted like hypocrisy.
I would like to add that I have found embarrassing some of the comments about Dr. Harr's speech impediment. It is childish and mean-spirited to ridicule Dr. Harr's speech. It sounds to me like he may have suffered a stroke, or some other neurological problem.
I strongly disagree with Dr. Harr about, well everything, but I would never stoop to making fun of a medical condition. Dr. Harr's arguments are so weak, it is not necessary to ridicule his speech in order to make a point.
I would like to think that though I have disagreed strongly with Dr. Harr here, that my comments have never been interpreted as sinking to that level.
Guiowen and Mark:
Sidney uses words differently than others.
He correctly notes that the media coverage has failed to present his opinions as valid. Because he provides opinions that are opposite to what is presented in the "biased" media, he uses the antonym to describe his blogging. If they are "biased," he is "unbiased." When he states a J4N policy against "biased" blogging, he does not use "biased" to mean one-sided and lacking a neutral point of view. Similarly, "unbiased" does not mean presenting both sides of an issue in an even-handed manner with sufficient facts for the reader to make an informed decision.
As we know, Sidney first reaches a conclusion and then looks only for evidence to support it. He ignores contradictory information and frequently mangles, spins and misinterprets information in the most favorable way possible. He applies different standards and uses the same words differently in different cases. He refuses to correct errors when readers raise facts that show his statements to be wrong.
As a result, Sidney uses "biased" to mean opinions with which he disagrees and "unbiased" to mean opinions with which he agrees. The policy against "bias" is to state his own opinions, resorting to falsehoods and misleading statements where necessary, and to denigrate any opinions with which he disagrees.
When you understand how Sidney uses words, his statements make perfect sense. I suggest you apologize.
I agree with you, Dr. Orgel. No need for that sort of comment.
Or, the comments about no white man ever sleeping with Mangum, etc. I guess that stuff hits all blogs from time to time. It doesn't help much.
Having said that, I strongly disagree with Harr and I do find him to be one of the most racially blind and arrogantly inept individuals I have encountered in a long while. Harr has no purpose but to annoy and to interfere....he is using Mangum in much the same way as she was used by Nifong and so many others. Mangum appears incapable of making good decisions and she seems to lack the fundamental insight to determine who is jerking her around. Harr takes advantage of her very apparent limitations to further his own narrow little Harr-driven cause. He does not give one damn about Mangum....that is abundantly clear.
I believe he writes nonsense just to agitate, to draw attention to himself and to provoke. Publishing highly confidential documents, taking advantage of Mangum and drawing wild conclusions about some grand conspiracy that involves everybody and everything from Harvard to Shella is both sad and disgraceful. His speech is not what I find so reprehensible; it is his message. Shame on him.
Harr repeatedly points to the apparent signature by Mangum on the motions he filed as proof that she knew about and was in agreement with his behavior and interference.
I disagree. If those signatures are valid, then what those signatures tell me is that Harr again manipulated very limited, mentally unstable woman for his own purposes.
Please recall that another attorney quit on Mangum's last case due to interference by Harr and others. Shella's withdrawal is the second occasion where interference has led to counsel withdrawal.
Shame on Harr for using a woman who so clearly has zero capacity to make good decisions and to learn from experience. She will continue down the same road....particularly if she is led along the path by users like Harr and Peterson.
If Harr and his wingnut band cared about Mangum they would all spend far less time running their mouths and far more time opening their wallets to bail her out of jail and to get her an attorney THEY think is worthy. They have been challenged repeatedly to put up or shut up.....and they have not spent one thin dime to bail her out or find her an attorney. Their hypocrisy is HUGE.
Isn't it interesting that Harr focuses on himself and his, uh, "case" against Duke in his critique? It's all about HARR, folks.....he does not give a damn about mangum.
Of course bias exists in the world of internet blogging. What kind of idiot would make a statement that biased blogging does not exist on the J4N trash piece? As has been said, now THAT's funny!
There is no such thing as the Black Community in Durham or anywhere else, kenny. Get it through your head. Blacks are not a single-headed, blind, ignorant, bumbling bunch of non-thinking welfare using, dole taking, jive dancing darkies! Can you handle the truth, kenny? There is as much diversity of thought and opinion among persons of color as there is among caucasions.....and guess what, kenny boy, a whole bunch of african american people voted AGAINST amendment one......including William Barber! What kind of racist thinking is filling your brain? You think people, of all colors (black, white, plaid) would be led, like pigs to the trough, to vote for Nifong? Good lord, sir......put a bed sheet on your head
Black voters are sophisticated enough to vote in their own best interest. That's why in the 2008 election 95% of them voted for President Obama. A similar outcome was obseved in the 2010 mid-terms where over 90% of black voters chose a democratic candidate.
I believe that if you look at voting patterns among persons of color......for many many years.....you will see an affinity to the democratic party. this is not new information. so, what exactly is your point?
Clayton Jones was the other attorney who withdrew from Mangum's then current case because of her involvement with Harr. Jones, by the way, had worked hard to get her bond reduced and to persuade the judge to let her leave jail altogher. Her bail was reduced, thanks to Jones. Then, did Harr and Peterson bail her out? Nope. The bail money was put up by Lonnie Hammond,a bailsbondsman. NOT Harr's klan.
so, twice now, good attorneys who have worked to assist mangum, have had enough of Harr's interference and Mangum's complicity with them.....and walked.
Here comes Woody now....let's see how long Vann tolerates Harr
Anonymous @ 10:27 said : "so, what exactly is your point"...... I was responding to a post by Anonymous @ 8:40 AM who said: "There is as much diversity of thought and opinion among persons of color as there is among caucasions.....Voting statistics don't bear out this assertion. Again I say black voters are sophisticated and know where their best interests lie.
Harr supporter:
The real trouble is that, when I put all of Sidney's ideas together in a long post here, he couldn't stomach the post.
I'm repeating it here, not because I think it's terribly intelligent, but because I really think it distills all of Sidney's and Kenhyderal's thoughts.
Here it is again:
"It's easy to understand the present situation.
First, you must remember that the entire Durham justice system, with the single exception of Tracey Cline, is controlled by the carpetbaggers, who are led by Rae Evans. She is an incredibly powerful woman since she worked for 10 years at CBS.
When Crystal injured Mr. Daye with her nail file, Rae Evans pounced upon the opportunity this gave her to punish CGM once and for all. Accordingly, she had CGM arrested. The subsequent death of Daye made it all the more likely that CGM could be sent away for all time. Accordingly, Mrs. Evans saw to it that CGM was accused of murder.
Tracey Cline, realizing that a trial was the only possible way to have CGM proved innocent, therefore had her indicted for murder. It would then be easy to have CGM declared innocent in a jury trial.
Unfortunately, Cline did not realize the incredible power Rae Evans has. In a moment, Kerry Sutton (who was no doubt deathly afraid to go against Evans) filed charges against Cline. Judge Hobgood (seemingly another servant of the Carpetbagger Jihad) had Cline removed from office.
The hero of the case, the only member of the Durham justice establishment to dare raise her voice against Evans, was judge Marcia Morey.
The consequences could not be more dire. CGM is now in mortal danger as she can no longer count on Cline's benevolent handling of the case. The only hope now is that Sidney, Kenhyderal and their stalwart friends mount a crusade for justice, not just for Nifong, but also for Cline (and, it goes without saying, for CGM).
I hope this enlightens you all."
After I had posted it, Sidney's only comment was that it was that
" [My] comments are more entertaining than enlightening. [I] have a marvelous imagination and [I] should go to Hollywood and write plots for movies."
Neither Sidney nor his bosom friend Kenhyderal could disagree with any part of my story. Ridiculous as the story sounds, they couldn't contradict anything in it since I was just repeating everything Sidney's been saying for the past several years.
Ken,
I nominate you for the Internet Troll Hall of Fame.
You created an implausible allegation and induced others to debate you as if the allegation was serious and warranted genuine discussion.
Well done.
Unlike Sidney, who ignores evidence that disproves Nifong's case, pretending it does not exist, you are clever enough to admit that the defendants were almost certainly innocent of the charges brought against them. You admit the lack of credible evidence to support those charges: Mangum's allegations were inconsistent, the process by which Mangum selected the defendants was fatally flawed and unreliable, Seligmann and Finnerty had alibis, there was no DNA evidence that matched the players, no physical evidence supported the allegations, etc. Admitting the obvious, you move to alternative allegations.
I find it ingenious how you are able to use lack of evidence to support a theory others find necessary to debate. Most observers use the failure of the DPD to conduct a genuine investigation in a weak case as evidence they never believed Mangum's allegation. Similarly, most observers use Nifong's creation of a fatally flawed process to select defendants and his failure to insist on a valid investigation as evidence of a deliberate frame.
You cleverly use the lack of an investigation as "proof" of your allegation. The failure of the DPD to conduct an investigation "proves" that unidentified non-players attended the party. The lack of a test for drugs "proves" that Mangum was drugged and "explains" her lack of consistency. The existence of the DNA from numerous unidentified males, coupled with the failure of Nifong and the DPD to attempt to identify it, "proves" that unidentified non-player attendees raped Mangum at the party. Levicy's comments override the negative findings of the SANE examination and "confirm" the findings of rape. The failure of Nifong and the DPD to interview Manly "proves" that she found diffuse vaginal edema "conclusive." The failure of the DPD to conduct timely interviews of the Kroger guard, Durham Access personnel, DUMC personnel other than Levicy, UNC Hospital personnel and any neighbors and to examine the cell phones and cameras provides further "proof" that Mangum was attacked by unidentified attendees.
Well done.
Invoking Kilgo as "proof" for this theory was truly inspired. Kilgo had no credibility when posting on this site. Citing Kilgo as your source was a subtle jab at Sidney's anonymous "sources." You asked us to trust one pseudonymous poster's claim that another pseudonymous poster found an anonymous source who confirmed a preposterous theory. Despite its obvious absurdity, you have induced others to debate it as though it were serious.
Again, well done.
However, you have struggled with weaknesses of your theory.
Your reliance on the no-snitch culture doesn't work. It fails to "explain" why the defendants were willing to incur millions of dollars of legal expenses, have their names dragged through the mud for a year and risk a wrongful conviction with a long prison sentence. The size of the house makes it inconceivable that most of the attendees were unaware of an attack. I suggest that you develop an alternative explanation by naming the attackers.
Try choosing persons held in great awe: for example, Dick Brodhead, Larry Moneta and John Burness. Brodhead wanted to learn more about student life (and after the attack blackmailed the players into silence by threatening to cancel their season and fire their coach). As we learned, Moneta is a strip show aficionado, having defended the expenditure of student fees on a sex show as an educational experience. You can argue that he was outraged when the performance was canceled due to rude comments from attendees. Burness was there for free food.
You can be more creative.
Come on j4n....give it your best shot then put up money to bail sister out or shut up ......of couese we all know you will do neither, so the crap stream will continue to flow.
Whynwaste time debating with this cheese doodle about the lax hoax?
We all know what happened and we all know why it happened. Who gives a royal rat's behind what this idiot think?
Mangum will go to trial, a jury will decide and life will go on. Lets hope we might just be free of the scourge of this woman for a few years.
Saying again, mangum has nine convictions. A habitual criminal with the morals of a rabbit and the intelligence of a flea
No offense intended to the rabbit
@ Guiowen and his 2:06 post:..... A cut and paste quote "
'Satire . . . should be true up to a certain point. The best and most disturbing satire almost always has a large element of possible truth to it" George Eliot
I'm offended.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"'Satire . . . should be true up to a certain point. The best and most disturbing satire almost always has a large element of possible truth to it' George Eliot"
George Eliot explains, hundreds of years before blog, why what appears in J4N can not be construed as satire.
Sorry mr bunny.... Mea culpa, bugs.
Anyone whoever believed Crystal Mangum was raped in a bathroom that was too small is an idiot.
Kenhyderal:
You still haven't told me what it is that you (and Sidney) disagree with in my post.
kennyhyderal, you're my hero.
Anonymous @ 2:59 said: "Saying again, mangum has nine convictions. A habitual criminal with the morals of a rabbit and the intelligence of a flea"..... This is typical of the hateful distortions about Crystal that have been promoted by the LaX Defence and widely disseminated. Crystal Mangum is a moral person. She is a responsible person and she is an intelligent person. Any who actually know her can confirm this. The image of a immoral irresponsible and stupid person is totally false. It has been fostered by blogs such as Duke LaCross Liestoppers created with the sole purpose of supporting the Players in their lucrative civil suits. The criminal record of Crystal gives a distorted picture. Her 4 charges from 2003 resulted in 3 weekends in gaol. The incident has been completely blown out of proportion. Speeding at 70 MPH on a 60 MPH road and failing to immediately see the flashing lights behind her is turned into a high speed chase. Brushing into the officer approaching her vehicle while she was trying to park became attempted vehicular homicide. Misdemeanor Larcency was turned into Grand Theft Auto. Yes she did record over 0.8 blood alcohol but she was not intoxicated. Her sentence reflected the true circumstances of the incident. She was 23 at the time. Three of the 5 charges from 2010 were actually one charge since they chaged her for each of her three children. Judge Jones had instructed the jury that the child neglect charges were dependent on her conviction for arson. Since the jury was hung on the arson charge they felt they could still convict her on child neglect anyway. That seems most inappropriate.
KHF Supporter said: "You cleverly use the lack of an investigation as "proof" of your allegation. The failure of the DPD to conduct an investigation "proves" that unidentified non-players attended the party. The lack of a test for drugs "proves" that Mangum was drugged and "explains" her lack of consistency. The existence of the DNA from numerous unidentified males, coupled with the failure of Nifong and the DPD to attempt to identify it, "proves" that unidentified non-player attendees raped Mangum at the party. Levicy's comments override the negative findings of the SANE examination and "confirm" the findings of rape. The failure of Nifong and the DPD to interview Manly "proves" that she found diffuse vaginal edema "conclusive." The failure of the DPD to conduct timely interviews of the Kroger guard, Durham Access personnel, DUMC personnel other than Levicy, UNC Hospital personnel and any neighbors and to examine the cell phones and cameras provides further "proof" that Mangum was attacked by unidentified attendees........
Crystal made the allegation. Medical personell found signs consistent with rape. Forensic testing found DNA extracted from sperm that did not belong to the Players or to the two identified guests. In such a high profile case it would seem to me that a thourough police investigation should have been conducted. It's still being debated today even though the Players were exonerated.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(lided)RA(cist)L:
"'Saying again, mangum has nine convictions. A habitual criminal with the morals of a rabbit and the intelligence of a flea'..... This is typical of the hateful distortions about Crystal that have been promoted by the LaX Defence and widely disseminated."
The remarks about the morals of a rabbit and intelligence of a flea were out of line. However, Crystal's criminal record is a matter of public record which was compiled before her false accusations of rape ever became an issue.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(rluded)RA(cist)L:
"Crystal made the allegation. Medical personell found signs consistent with rape. Forensic testing found DNA extracted from sperm that did not belong to the Players or to the two identified guests."
You again get it totally wrong.
Crystal made non credible allegations of a DNA depositing rape. Medical personnel did not find "signs" consistent with rape. Forensic testing revealed that no semen, blood or saliva on the rape kit. Ergo, no male DNA was deposited on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Ergo, no DNA depositing rape was perpetrated on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
Misinterpreting the facts, deliberate or otherwise, is not proof of anything, except that you are not a very astute or profound thinker.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"In such a high profile case it would seem to me that a thourough police investigation should have been conducted. It's still being debated today...".
It became a high profile case because NI(nny)FONG made inflammatory public statements about the case before he had any evidence. The only place in which the case is being debated is this so called blog.
The lawsuits pending against Durham, NI(nny)FONG, Duke and others are not debate over this case. The defendants are trying to keep debate from happening.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"[Crystal's] 4 charges from 2003 resulted in 3 weekends in gaol. The incident has been completely blown out of proportion. Speeding at 70 MPH on a 60 MPH road and failing to immediately see the flashing lights behind her is turned into a high speed chase. Brushing into the officer approaching her vehicle while she was trying to park became attempted vehicular homicide. Misdemeanor Larcency was turned into Grand Theft Auto.
Public records, compiled before Crystal's false allegations of rape became news, document that Crystal stole the car, led police on a high speed chase(in case you haven't heard, a crash at 70mph can cause fatalities), attempted to run down an officer, then tried to escape.
That you accept Crystal's distorted version of the facts does not negate the facts.
CGM is a moral person? That has to be one of the most laughable statements I have ever heard!
CGM got pregnant by a man other than her husband. She took money for showing her naked body to men. She used a vibrator on herself for money. She stole a car, and proceeded to almost kill a police officer.
This behavior fits no definition of morality that I know of, and it is statements such as this one that ensure you will never be taken seriously by anyone who can form an independent thought.
Seriously, is there any of the Ten Commandments she hasn't violated?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
To my last comment I add, at the time of the auto theft incident, Crystal's alcohol was documented to be 0.19, the legal limit being 0.08.
She also had a suspended drivers license.
You seem to think that driving while drunk at 70mph in a 60mph zone is no big thing.
Since Crystal was impaired at the time of the incident, can her recollection of what happened be valid?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
If there is such extensive support for Crystal in the Durham black community, why has the community not tried to raise bail for her?
Why has your Fearless Fozdick SIDN(inn)EY not organized any fund raiser to raise bail for Crystal.
SIDN(inn)EY's retort is consistently, he doesn't want bail for Crystal he wants the charges dismissed and Crystal freed. The way he is going about that is a way that will not work. It indicates SIDN)inn)EY is not willing to present his evidence of Crystal's innocence in open court. That in turn indicates he has no real evidence to present.
A moral person does not LIE, knowing that her lies could cause innocent men to spend their lifetimes in prison.
A moral person does not expose her children to violence SHE creates, drunkenness in their presence, destruction of property of others.
A moral person does not create a situation in which her child TWICE is forced to call 911.
A moral person does not engage in drug seeking behaviors by running to hospital EDs over and over, trying to get meds for no other problem that addiction and illegal use.
A moral person does not continually blame others for her own stupid mistakes and self-indulgent decisions, with no thought as to the impact on others.
A moral person does not steal another person's car.
A moral person does not drive a car while their license is suspended and create a potentially lethal weapon on a road that could injure others
A moral person does NOT violate the privacy and confidentiality of protected health information (records) in disregard of professional counsel's advice.
Most of all, a moral person does not place her children in danger, no matter...
To claim Mangum is a moral person is laughable.
The reason there was supposedly vaginally swelling and redness had nothing to do with being raped. I can understand how a MAN might not get this. But any WOMAN on the face of this planet knows that use of a sex toy, like a penetrating vibrator, will absolutely cause swelling and, with sufficient use, irritation/redness. Mangum, by her own admission, was using a penetrating vibrator that same evening as she "entertained" a client in a motel. Idiotic not to get this, Kenny.
OK, since we are talking morality here....
Harr continues to describe the men at the lax party as beer guzzling, woman oggling, engaging in debauchery, etc. His words get more flowery as the years go by.
How about we also describe the behavior the two, uh, dancers were engaging in during the party. Let's see, drinking, using drugs, wearing extremely revealing clothing, lying on top of one another on the floor, gyrating, making sex gestures, simulating oral sex.....
Oh, but, hey, it was just the guys, right?
I do not, for a minute, condone underage drinking. It's illegal. I also think hiring strippers and paying prostitutes is scummy and stupid.
BUT, to call Mangum "moral"? Please.......
Mark Orgel said...
I would like to add that I have found embarrassing some of the comments about Dr. Harr's speech impediment. It is childish and mean-spirited to ridicule Dr. Harr's speech. It sounds to me like he may have suffered a stroke, or some other neurological problem.
I strongly disagree with Dr. Harr about, well everything, but I would never stoop to making fun of a medical condition. Dr. Harr's arguments are so weak, it is not necessary to ridicule his speech in order to make a point.
I would like to think that though I have disagreed strongly with Dr. Harr here, that my comments have never been interpreted as sinking to that level.
Hey, Mark. Thanks, I think, for the support with regards to the so-called "speech impediment." I agree with you that only bullies stoop so low as to make fun of what they perceive to be disabilities.
Anonymous said...
I agree with you, Dr. Orgel. No need for that sort of comment.
Or, the comments about no white man ever sleeping with Mangum, etc. I guess that stuff hits all blogs from time to time. It doesn't help much.
Having said that, I strongly disagree with Harr and I do find him to be one of the most racially blind and arrogantly inept individuals I have encountered in a long while. Harr has no purpose but to annoy and to interfere....he is using Mangum in much the same way as she was used by Nifong and so many others. Mangum appears incapable of making good decisions and she seems to lack the fundamental insight to determine who is jerking her around. Harr takes advantage of her very apparent limitations to further his own narrow little Harr-driven cause. He does not give one damn about Mangum....that is abundantly clear.
I believe he writes nonsense just to agitate, to draw attention to himself and to provoke. Publishing highly confidential documents, taking advantage of Mangum and drawing wild conclusions about some grand conspiracy that involves everybody and everything from Harvard to Shella is both sad and disgraceful. His speech is not what I find so reprehensible; it is his message. Shame on him.
What is truly a shame is that Mangum has been incarcerated 417 days, counting today, on trumped up charges when she was in fact the victim of crimes against her by Reginald Daye. For a year, her attorney Shella has basically did nothing on her behalf, except occasionally ask for bail to be reduced. Long ago he should have filed motions to have the ridiculous charges against Mangum dismissed. Charging Mangum for these crimes is an embarrassment for our justice system, which is already the laughing stock of the country.
All I seek is justice for Crystal Mangum... why should I look for publicity. However, the nature of being an advocate is that it requires identification in order to be credible. I could not advocate as an anonymous entity.
guiowen said...
Harr supporter:
The real trouble is that, when I put all of Sidney's ideas together in a long post here, he couldn't stomach the post.
I'm repeating it here, not because I think it's terribly intelligent, but because I really think it distills all of Sidney's and Kenhyderal's thoughts.
Here it is again:
"It's easy to understand the present situation.
First, you must remember that the entire Durham justice system, with the single exception of Tracey Cline, is controlled by the carpetbaggers, who are led by Rae Evans. She is an incredibly powerful woman since she worked for 10 years at CBS.
When Crystal injured Mr. Daye with her nail file, Rae Evans pounced upon the opportunity this gave her to punish CGM once and for all. Accordingly, she had CGM arrested. The subsequent death of Daye made it all the more likely that CGM could be sent away for all time. Accordingly, Mrs. Evans saw to it that CGM was accused of murder.
Tracey Cline, realizing that a trial was the only possible way to have CGM proved innocent, therefore had her indicted for murder. It would then be easy to have CGM declared innocent in a jury trial.
Unfortunately, Cline did not realize the incredible power Rae Evans has. In a moment, Kerry Sutton (who was no doubt deathly afraid to go against Evans) filed charges against Cline. Judge Hobgood (seemingly another servant of the Carpetbagger Jihad) had Cline removed from office.
The hero of the case, the only member of the Durham justice establishment to dare raise her voice against Evans, was judge Marcia Morey.
The consequences could not be more dire. CGM is now in mortal danger as she can no longer count on Cline's benevolent handling of the case. The only hope now is that Sidney, Kenhyderal and their stalwart friends mount a crusade for justice, not just for Nifong, but also for Cline (and, it goes without saying, for CGM).
I hope this enlightens you all."
After I had posted it, Sidney's only comment was that it was that
" [My] comments are more entertaining than enlightening. [I] have a marvelous imagination and [I] should go to Hollywood and write plots for movies."
Neither Sidney nor his bosom friend Kenhyderal could disagree with any part of my story. Ridiculous as the story sounds, they couldn't contradict anything in it since I was just repeating everything Sidney's been saying for the past several years.
Hey, guiowen.
Who is Judge Marcia Morey?
Anonymous said...
Come on j4n....give it your best shot then put up money to bail sister out or shut up ......of couese we all know you will do neither, so the crap stream will continue to flow.
The truth, not money, will set Crystal Mangum free.
Sidney,
Marcia Morey is the individual who served as a character witness for Nifong and, later, Cline. Concerning Nifong, she said there's nothing wrong with lying, as long as he did not do so during the trial.
you would think old sidney would know the infamous marcia.....the corrupt's best friend
The jury will determine whether mangum goes free, sid. NOT your version of the truth.
harr is a tireless fighter for all people, including white and gay?
BAHAHAHAHAH! Milk just shot out of my nasal passages, laughing so hard on that one.
Harr, a fighter for gay people? hmmmmmm.....what does he do? wiggle his finger has his soulmate, courageous vicky, and say, "now, now, vicky...."?
Harr, a fighter for white people? As in, fighting for Nifong? even more hilarious
Dr. Orgel said : "Seriously, is there any of the Ten Commandments she hasn't violated" ........... Luke 18 : 9-14 and Matthew 7 : 1-5
Oh, I see.....now reverend kenny is raising his self righteous eyebrows, telling us not to judge, lest we be judged. OK, fair enough, preacher....back at cha! Has Kenny ever judged? Hmmmmmm????
Kenny says Mangum is a moral person. I say she wouldn't know a moral if it bite her in the backside. The bible, by the way, is loaded with verses about responsibility for one's own behavior, caring for children, being respectful of others, not commiting adultery, not stealing, not being given to drink, not being lustful or enciting others to lust, etc. how about those, reverend kenny?
Any moment now, we are going to get the man from nazareth speech, so lift up your shoes, folks, the high tide of the pious is about to flow yet again.
I believe the bible also makes numerous references to being accountable to those we injure.....wonder when Mangum has EVER been accountable for the countless injuries she has caused to many others?
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"All I seek is justice for Crystal Mangum... why should I look for publicity. However, the nature of being an advocate is that it requires identification in order to be credible. I could not advocate as an anonymous entity."
If you were truly seeking justice for Crystal Mangum, you would be trying to bail her out of jail, you would be advocating argument of your motions to dismiss in open court, not sitting back on your butt and demanding Crystal be freed.
Judging from what you have published in your so called blog,you have no concept of what justice is. So how can you advocate for justice for anyone.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR:
"...only bullies stoop so low as to make fun of what they perceive to be disabilities."
Only racist, hypocritical ninnies would carry on a vendetta against innocent Caucasian men because they were not wrongfully convicted of rape after being falsely accused by a Black woman.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"What is truly a shame is that Mangum has been incarcerated 417 days, counting today, on trumped up charges when she was in fact the victim of crimes against her by Reginald Daye."
There is no evidence that Mangum was victimized by Reginald Daye. In trying to convince the public, you have misrepresented his police record to the public, in my opinion deliberately.
You did not complain when disgraced former Black DA Tracey Cline kept Frankie Washington and Leon Brown incarcerated for long periods on trumped up charges. When confronted with this truth, you ran away from it so you could claim ignorance of it.
And you advocate that three innocent Caucasian men are guilty of rape and should have been imprisoned for for a lot longer than 417 days, all because a Black woman falsely accused them.
Your hypocritical racism is blatantly obvious.
Harr = credible?
Moon = green cheese?
Yoko Ono = a good singer?
Madonna = a virgin?
Peterson = a christian?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Dr. Orgel said : 'Seriously, is there any of the Ten Commandments she hasn't violated' ........... Luke 18 : 9-14 and Matthew 7 : 1-5".
KEN(inny) you have judged that three or more Caucasian men are guilty of raping Crystal Mangum, even though forensic examination of the rape kit definitively ruled out the crime Crystal alleged.
The basis of your belief is that a Black woman filed false charges of rape. You seem to think that is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Your deluded hypocritical racism is blatantly obvious.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"The truth, not money, will set Crystal Mangum free."
That is just another justification for your de facto inaction in this case.
If you were really concerned about Crystal, you would do something more than just sit on your butt and make demands you know will never be met.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
One more:
You have not answered my question, when you intubated someone in the ER, how did you document correct placement of the ET tube?
Anonymous @ 6:20 said: " A moral person does not LIE, knowing that her lies could cause innocent men to spend their lifetimes in prison.
A moral person does not expose her children to violence SHE creates, drunkenness in their presence, destruction of property of others.
A moral person does not create a situation in which her child TWICE is forced to call 911.
A moral person does not engage in drug seeking behaviors by running to hospital EDs over and over, trying to get meds for no other problem that addiction and illegal use.
A moral person does not continually blame others for her own stupid mistakes and self-indulgent decisions, with no thought as to the impact on others.
A moral person does not steal another person's car.
A moral person does not drive a car while their license is suspended and create a potentially lethal weapon on a road that could injure others
A moral person does NOT violate the privacy and confidentiality of protected health information (records) in disregard of professional counsel's advice.
Most of all, a moral person does not place her children in danger, no matter...
To claim Mangum is a moral person is laughable" .......... Only number 7 and 8 out of the 9 apply to Crystal
Anonymous @ 8:33 said: "the high tide of the pious is about to flow yet again"...... You misunderstand, it was the Pharisee not the Sinner who was the pious one.
KHF Supporter said @ 2:07 PM 5/23/12 : "Most observers use the failure of the DPD to conduct a genuine investigation in a weak case as evidence they never believed Mangum's allegation:............. Crystal had nothing to fear from a complete and thourough investigation. On the other hand, once DNA evidence had cleared their clients, the Defence Team had no further interest in seeing the investigation continue on since it just might discover things prejudicial to their clients.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(ludedR)A(cist)L:
"Crystal had nothing to fear from a complete and thourough investigation. On the other hand, once DNA evidence had cleared their clients, the Defence Team had no further interest in seeing the investigation continue on since it just might discover things prejudicial to their clients."
A thorough investigation would have confirmed Crystal was a false accuser(the forensic exam of the rape kit had already revealed it). There is no evidence it would have revealed anything compromising about the LAX team.
You accuse the LAX team of covering for the perpetrators of a DNA depositing sexual assault in the face of irrefutable evidence that no such assault took place.
That you deny the evidence does not refute it.
Anonymous @ May 24, 2012 8:43 AM:
Here's another for your list:
HARR = Fighter for Justice
Anonymous @ May 24, 2012 8:43 AM:
How about:
Crystal = victim
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"You misunderstand, it was the Pharisee not the Sinner who was the pious one."
Thus saith the Pharisee KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded(RA(cist)L.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous @ 6:20 said: 'A moral person does not LIE, knowing that her lies could cause innocent men to spend their lifetimes in prison.
A moral person does not expose her children to violence SHE creates, drunkenness in their presence, destruction of property of others.
A moral person does not create a situation in which her child TWICE is forced to call 911.
A moral person does not engage in drug seeking behaviors by running to hospital EDs over and over, trying to get meds for no other problem that addiction and illegal use.
A moral person does not continually blame others for her own stupid mistakes and self-indulgent decisions, with no thought as to the impact on others.
A moral person does not steal another person's car.
A moral person does not drive a car while their license is suspended and create a potentially lethal weapon on a road that could injure others
A moral person does NOT violate the privacy and confidentiality of protected health information (records) in disregard of professional counsel's advice.
Most of all, a moral person does not place her children in danger, no matter...
To claim Mangum is a moral person is laughable' .......... Only number 7 and 8 out of the 9 apply to Crystal".
KEN(inny), Crystal has manifested all these criteria of non moral behavior.
Anonymous @ 10:00 AM said; "A thorough investigation would have confirmed Crystal was a false accuser"....... Or that she was not. But, it never happened. I've never heard a call from the Defence Team to broaden the investigation once DNA evidence had cleaed their clients of the rape charge. Then it was on to the civil suits where "pay-dirt" was perceived. Discovering friends who they were covering up for would be pejudicial to their efforts to extract money for their clients.
Kenhyderal said: "I've never heard a call from the Defence Team to broaden the investigation once DNA evidence had clea[r]ed their clients of the rape charge."
Don't you think that, in that case, your hero, Mike Nifong, should have called for a broader investigation?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous @ 10:00 AM said; 'A thorough investigation would have confirmed Crystal was a false accuser'....... Or that she was not. But, it never happened. I've never heard a call from the Defence Team to broaden the investigation once DNA evidence had cleaed their clients of the rape charge."
So why were their clients indicted for First Degree Rape after the DNA cleared them of the rape charge? NI(nny)FONG knew the DNA results cleared the LAXers when he sought indictments. He did not drop the Rape charge until December of 2006, about 8 months after he sought indictments.
You omitted the other part about Crystal being a false accuser - the irrefutable evidence from forensic examination of the rape kit showed a DNA depositing rape had not occurred. Why broaden the investigation of a crime when irrefutable evidence shows the crime never happened.
That you deny the evidence does not refute it.
Anonymous @ 10:06 said : "Thus saith the Pharisee KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded(RA(cist)L"..... Misapplied. If, in this case, I am the "pharisee" who, pray tell, is the "sinner" begging for foregiveness"
Anonymous @ 11:51 said: "That you deny the evidence does not refute it" ..... Very true. And when,evidence seems contradictory efforts to resolve the conflict shoud be undertaken. For example Crystal's driver, an independent participent, gave evidence that Crystal was perfectly sober when he dropped her off. Evidence from Players said she was grossly impaired on arrival. Evidence indicated that she was given a drink upon her arrival. Evidence indicated that she started to drink it but did not finish it and dumped a portion into a sink. Soon after she became totally incapacitated. These discrepencies needed to be resolved by an investigation.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Misapplied. If, in this case, I am the 'pharisee' who, pray tell, is the 'sinner" begging for foregiveness'".
Obviously it is not you. You do not ask for forgiveness for your efforts to distort what had happened during the Duke Rape hoax. You are a hypocrite, just like a lot of pharisees.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)EA(cist)L:
"Evidence indicated that she started to drink it but did not finish it and dumped a portion into a sink. Soon after she became totally incapacitated. These discrepencies needed to be resolved by an investigation."
Wrong!
It has not been established as fact that Crystal was sober when she arrived at the party. The preponderance of the evidence is that she was drunk when she arrived at the party. It has not been established as fact that she took a full drink. Ergo, these are not discrepancies which need to be resolved.
The biggest discrepancy was, Crystal said she was raped. No one else who was at the party said that. Forensic evidence established beyond a reasonable doubt that she was not raped. She alleged a DNA depositing rape. No DNA depositing rape happened at the party.
These discrepancies you identify comprise your attempt to make something out of nothing.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Explain how a DNA depositing rape could happen and not leave evidence of said rape on the rape kit.
You say the presence of unidentified male DNA says she was raped.
However you then say that the timing of DNA on Crystal's person can not be timed. Ergo, you admit you can not prove that deposition of said DNA occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
Anonymous @ 1:56 said; "The preponderance of the evidence is that she was drunk when she arrived at the party".......... Unlike the evidence given by the driver this evidence was not given by persons who were independent.
Anonymous @ 2:00 PM said: However you then say that the timing of DNA on Crystal's person can not be timed. Ergo, you admit you can not prove that deposition of said DNA occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006"....... Except by taking a complete history of her sexual contacts and then making the effort to eliminate those that were consensual
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Unlike the evidence given by the driver this evidence was not given by persons who were independent."
This would be relevant only if a rape had happened to Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Forensic exam of the rape kit establishes unequivocally she was not raped, not by a LAX team member, not by any attendee at that party.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Anonymous @ 2:00 PM said: However you then say that the timing of DNA on Crystal's person can not be timed. Ergo, you admit you can not prove that deposition of said DNA occurred on the night of 13/14 March 2006"....... Except by taking a complete history of her sexual contacts and then making the effort to eliminate those that were consensual".
Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape. Forensic evidence ruled out that DNA deposition happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Ergo, a DNA depositing rape did not happen.
There was no reason to separate out consensual from non-consensual encounters. There were no non-consensual encounters.
I add, even you can not come up with a motive.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
You still have not explained how a DNA depositing rape could have happened without leaving evidence of such on the rape kit, which was collected within hours of the alleged rape.
You have also not explained why your hypothesis should be considered as credible, that non LAXers at the party raped Crystal, that LAX players were aware of the rape, but they covered for the alleged perpetrators even after DA NI(nny)FONG named them as suspects and indicated he would exert a great effort to prosecute and convict them.
He made that decision before he had any evidence. Even after he had evidence, which according to you cleared those suspects, he continued to prosecute.
So why would the indicted players believe they had nothing to fear?
If a date rape drug was administered to Crystal, then a motive for that act would be to subsequently sexually assult her.
Kenhydral - The lacrosse players like all white men found Crystal repulsive so they would have no interest in having sex with her much less going to all the trouble of raping her in a miniscule bathroom.If a man wants to have sex with a prostitute he doesn't needto drug her.He just gives her more money.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"If a date rape drug was administered to Crystal, then a motive for that act would be to subsequently sexually assult her."
No rape, no sexual assault happened. Ergo, there was no motive to administer a date rape drug to Crystal. Since people who had nothing to hide testified that Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party, you have not been established as fact that she was administered a date rape drug at the Lacrosse party
Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.
Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996
I think we have see the exact same Malek Williams post previously on here(SIDN(inn)EY's ill disguised vendetta against three innocent Caucasian men falsely accused by Crystal Mangum of raping her)
Is this another cut and paste job by KEN(inny). If so, he doesn't have the sense to cut and paste different words>
Yep a good mother.....you betcha. This was after the ninth conviction and before she killed daye. Yep....really good mommie. Just the one you want to introduce to the family. Not a prostitute. Right. Sure.
Malek Williams May 19, 2012 5:17 AM
"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril."
Malek Williams May 24, 2012 5:30 PM
"Anonymous said...
Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril."
Either KEN(inny) or SIDN(inn)EY, posing as anonymous, is reposting this.
Hey, SIDN(inn)EY, KEN(inny), if Crystal's support among the Durham Black community is so widespread, why is someone posting the exact same Malek Williams post on two separate occasions?
Notice how Kenny and Malek both misspell "defence" the same way.
Ken and Sidney,
You can quote George Eliot all you want, but you still haven't told me what it is you disagree with in my post.
I am the author of the piece. It was written in response to a post by Malek a class mate of Crystal's vouching for her character, where I prefaced my post with the sentence "Right on Malek" Malek has has copied my words and added the words "Right on Kenhyderal" in place of my words Right on Malek.
Guiowen said @ 8:15 PM: " You can quote George Eliot all you want, but you still haven't told me what it is you disagree with in my post" I took it to be tongue in cheek satire albeit with an element of truth. What more is there to say.
Anonymous @ 2:22 said: "This would be relevant only if a rape had happened to Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Forensic exam of the rape kit establishes unequivocally she was not raped, not by a LAX team member"...... You've got it backwards. It's extremely relevant. Administering a noxious substance is in itself the crime of "attempted foricble rape"
Ken,
Then you agree with all I wrote?
The cowardly racist Anonymous said" - The lacrosse players like all white men found Crystal repulsive so they would have no interest in having sex with her much less going to all the trouble of raping her in a miniscule bathroom.If a man wants to have sex with a prostitute he doesn't needto drug her.He just gives her more money" I defy him/her to put their name to this post. I also ask Dr. Harr to use at least a modicum of discretion and remove such poisonous hate speech from his blog. It was garbage like this that prompted me, once before, to leave this blog. In answer to this racist I say, "Crystal is not a prostitute. Because of her good looks she was hired as a show girl; something I dare say a majority of women don't have the sex appeal for.
Guiowen said: "Then you agree with all I wrote" How can one agree with a satire. Although it was written facetiously and it's intent was to ridicule Dr. Harr's positions, I assume that unintentionally, on your part, it contained at it's root many elements of the truth
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"You've got it backwards. It's extremely relevant. Administering a noxious substance is in itself the crime of "attempted foricble rape"
You have again got it wrong. It has been established as fact that no forcible rape occurred. It has not been established that Crystal was ever given a date rape drug at the party. There is credible evidence that Crystal was impaired when she arrived at the party(that you want to ignore that evidence is what is irrelevant). Ergo, you have not even established a motive why anyone would give her a date rape drug.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"I am the author of the piece. It was written in response to a post by Malek a class mate of Crystal's vouching for her character, where I prefaced my post with the sentence "Right on Malek" Malek has has copied my words and added the words "Right on Kenhyderal" in place of my words Right on Malek."
So you admit you faked a post by a Crystal supporter. Not only that you believed you could post the same message in two different places to create the impression of support for Crystal.
You are not a very astute or profound thinker, KEN(inny)>
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Crystal is not a prostitute. Because of her good looks she was hired as a show girl; something I dare say a majority of women don't have the sex appeal for."
What good looks?
You forget Crystal was hired sight unseen. The people who hired her thought the stripper they hired(which I agree was not a smart thing to do) was Caucasian. If they had a chance to view a photograph of Crystal, it is doubtful they would have hired her.
That you say she had sex appeal presumes a fact not in evidence.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Guiowen said: 'Then you agree with all I wrote' How can one agree with a satire. Although it was written facetiously and it's intent was to ridicule Dr. Harr's positions, I assume that unintentionally, on your part, it contained at it's root many elements of the truth.
You are assuming another fact that is definitely in evidence. You assume that SIDN(inn)EY tell the truth.
Figments of one's imagination, which have no basis in fact, are in no way truth.
One figment of your imagination is that a forcible rape was inflicted on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006.
You have yet to explain. Crystal alleged a DNA depositing rape. Forensic exam of the rape kit established that no semen, blood or saliva was deposited on her person. It established that a DNA depositing rape did not happen.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Crystal is not a prostitute. Because of her good looks she was hired as a show girl; something I dare say a majority of women don't have the sex appeal for."
Where did Crystal ever perform as a showgirl, except at the Platinum where she performed as a pole dancer in a dimly lit environment?
I remind you she was performing as a pole dancer about 10 days after this alleged brutal rape, when she was supposedly suffering from a severe case of PTSD.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"You've got it backwards. It's extremely relevant. Administering a noxious substance is in itself the crime of "attempted foricble rape"
So you are saying that an Oncologist who administers a cancer patient a chemotherapeutic agent(which is an extremely noxious substance) can be presumed guilty of attempting a forcible rape?
I repeat. You are not a very astute or profound thinker.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"I also ask Dr. Harr to use at least a modicum of discretion and remove such poisonous hate speech from his blog. It was garbage like this that prompted me, once before, to leave this blog."
I SIDN(inn)EY removed poisonous, racially motivated hate speech, he would have to remove just about everything he and you have ever posted.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
With regard to your post regarding Malek Williams, you have admitted to having authored a piece of racially motivated hate speech.
In my opinion, you have twice tried to pass it off as someone else's post.
A showgirl? Oh brother. A woman who has a paid driver to haul her to clients in motels, where she uses a vibrator on herself and, uh, dances .....is not a showgirl. A woman who has photos on line in an escort service site, sitting legs open across a chair, dress in the top of a teddie and a garter belt....is not a showgirl. A woman who sits on a person's lap and gyrates her pelvis with her exposed upper body in the person's face....is not a showgirl.
Words like tramp would be far more appropriate......at least that is the word that my parents would call me if i ever did anything like that. And they would be right!
Since "biased blogging is against the policy" of this blog, I demand that kenhyderal be banned, as he has admitted fabricating several posts that are clearly biased toward CGM, and away from the truth.
Mark Orgel said...
Since "biased blogging is against the policy" of this blog, I demand that kenhyderal be banned, as he has admitted fabricating several posts that are clearly biased toward CGM, and away from the truth.
Biased blogging is banned, not biased comments. Therefore, all comments, biased or not, are welcomed and will be posted.
Sidney,
Marcia Morey is the individual who served as a character witness for Nifong and, later, Cline. Concerning Nifong, she said there's nothing wrong with lying, as long as he did not do so during the trial.
Hey, guiowen.
Thanks for the info.
Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
One more:
You have not answered my question, when you intubated someone in the ER, how did you document correct placement of the ET tube?
I took my stethoscope and listened for breath sounds bilaterally in the chest. Then I would place the stethoscope over the stomach to rule out sounds generated by the Ambu-bag. That would usually suffice.
Everyone, including all of you Anonymi,
Have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend... I will be hard at work on my defining flog about Crystal and the April 3rd incident.
Thereby, may ye go enlightened.
Anonymous @ 4:37 said : "With regard to your post regarding Malek Williams, you have admitted to having authored a piece of racially motivated hate speech.
In my opinion, you have twice tried to pass it off as someone else's post"......... I've done no such thing. Both you and Dr. Orgel are wrong about this. Let me try, once again, to explain. A new poster and classmate of Crystal(not me)Malek Williams posted praising her. I replied to his post with Right on Malek and then my answer to his post, with the following words. "Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril"
These were my words. Then yesterday Malek posted "Right on Kenhyderal" (in place of my "Right on Malek") and attached the words from my initial response to him. I'm sorry you did not understand my explanation but were quick to accuse me of dishonestly posting as a fictious person praising Crystal. I hope Malek will come back on and confirm this and in his own words once again vouch for Crystal's character.
SIDN9inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"Biased blogging is banned, not biased comments. Therefore, all comments, biased or not, are welcomed and will be posted."
Judging from the bias you show towards the innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players, their families and their attorneys, I say biased blogging is not banned from this blog, especially your own.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"'Anonymous said...
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
One more:
You have not answered my question, when you intubated someone in the ER, how did you document correct placement of the ET tube?'
I took my stethoscope and listened for breath sounds bilaterally in the chest. Then I would place the stethoscope over the stomach to rule out sounds generated by the Ambu-bag. That would usually suffice."
I would say the people who intubated Reginald Daye did a whole lot more than you did to insure proper tube placement.
SIDN(inn)EY H(ypocrite)ARR(acist):
"Everyone, including all of you Anonymi,
Have a wonderful Memorial Day weekend... I will be hard at work on my defining flog about Crystal and the April 3rd incident.
Thereby, may ye go enlightened."
Let's take a poll. How many think, after many glaring failures at providing enlightenment, how many think SIDN(inn)EY will provide any this time?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
No many times you try to explain Malek Williams, no one believes you. No one believes you because you have not established credibility, because you have established you are not an astute or profound thinker.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Can you tell us the url by which we may access your original Malek Williams post?
Whatever, what you published is a poisonous piece of racially motivated hate speech.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE)luded)RA(cist)L:
"A new poster and classmate of Crystal(not me)Malek Williams posted praising her. I replied to his post with Right on Malek and then my answer to his post, with the following words..."
Ken(inny) both postings of those words begin with "ight on kenhyderal."
Why?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I made a typo.
Both postings began with the words "Right on kenhyderal."
The Malek Williams post on May 19, 2012 5:17 AM began with the words "Right on kenhyderal", not Right on Malek/
Why?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
If you compare the Malek posts of May 19, 2012 5:17 AM and of May 24, 2012 5:30 PM both begin with "Right on kenhyderal" and end with
"Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996"
The evidence more and more indicates you not only composed this post(which you have admitted) but also twice posted it as a post by Malek Williams.
OK. In the Sunday May 6th thread titled Crystal's Hour of Terror Here is Malek's original post: "Dr. Harr and Dr. kenhyderal,
I attended high school with Crystal Mangum, and I know I speak for many of our classmates when I say how proud I am of Crystal, a Navy veteran and NCCU honors graduate. Please continue your efforts not to let others tear her down with their malicious lies.
Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996.............This was posted May 12 @ 7:07 PM and here is my response posted the same day at 8:46 PM : "
Right on Malek. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril" I think I am owed an apology.
Ken,
Don't worry about the criticism for the Malek Williams comments. The other posters are jealous that you have been nominated for the Internet Troll Hall of Fame.
You have maintained your outstanding performance. Your circular argument that a rape provides a motivation for drugging Crystal and then taking the drugging as fact and providing evidence for a rape is comical. Yet once again you have induced others to debate you as though you were serious.
Once again, well done.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"This [post by Malek Williams] was posted May 12 @ 7:07 PM and here is my response posted the same day at 8:46 PM".
On the May 6 Crystal's Hour of Terror post there are 19 comments dated May 12, the first at 4:04 AM, the last at 2:50 PM. None of them were posted either by you or by Malek Williams.
See for yourself. All are either anonymous posts or posts by SIDN(inn)EY.
Sorry the date was May 7th.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Those posts you made were on May 7, not May 12.
How much research before you posted your last comment?
Do you really know what is going on?
Why would Malek Williams twice copy what your posted and then twice post it under his name?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Regardless of who composed the message or posted and reposted it, it was a poisonous piece of racially motivated hate speech.
Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.
Your friend,
Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996
Soooooooo. Malek or whatever your name is, what's mangum's excuse for the four convictions in 2002. Which evil white oppressor made her do lap dances, get drunk, steal a man's car, drive drunk, drive recklessly, an nearly over an officer?
And now Malek has now done it a third time as of today @ 7:14 PM. I take it that he feels what I wrote, in response to his post, needs to be reiterated. I stand by everything that I wrote and anyone who finds that post racist has no concept of what constitutes racism and what a blight it has been on American Society
Crystal was not charged with auto theft. She was charged with misdemeanor larcency for driving the taxi with permission of the impaired driver who was not the owner. She was charged with speeding, not reckless driving. She accidently brushed the approaching policeman while she was trying to pull over and park. The charge there was assult on a goverment official. Huh? He was not in the slightest injured. The only serious charge was driving over the legal limit. She was 23 at the time. Her sentence of 3 weekends in jail was appropriate for the circumstances. If you were to beleive the reporting about the incidents the penalty would have been much more severe.
Kenhydral - I was the cowardly racist that said no white man would ever find Crystal Mangum attractive.I wasn't trying to be offensive it's just the way things are.I've been a white man all my life and I know the lacrosse players would never want to have sex with a showgirl(i.e.hooker)like Crystal.White men like white women or Asian chicks.Anyone who's not a white man will just have to take my word for it.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"And now Malek has now done it a third time as of today @ 7:14 PM. I take it that he feels what I wrote, in response to his post, needs to be reiterated. I stand by everything that I wrote and anyone who finds that post racist has no concept of what constitutes racism and what a blight it has been on American Society"
I think it is questionable whether Malek posted it again or whether you posted it again and attributed it again to Malek.
To paraphrase Shakespeare, the KEN(inny) doth protest too much.
If you stand by it, you stand by a poisonous piece of racially motivated hate speech.
What makes it racist ie that it supports the attitude, when Caucasian men are falsely accused of raping a black woman, they should be wrongfully convicted.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Crystal was not charged with auto theft. She was charged with misdemeanor larcency for driving the taxi with permission of the impaired driver who was not the owner. She was charged with speeding, not reckless driving. She accidently brushed the approaching policeman while she was trying to pull over and park"
Why would a cab driver allow a drunk woman with a suspended license to borrow his cab?
As I said before, you seem to think driving 70mph in a 60mph zone while intoxicated is no big thing.
The police records of what Crystal did were compiled before Crystal became infamous for falsely accusing three Caucasian men of rape.
Your feeble attempt to change the history comes from Crystal, either directly or fro her book. I ask again, can you call her recollection credible when she was drunk at the time and possibly unable to recall what happened.
Right on kenhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.
Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I think you are reposting your poisonous racially motivated piece of hate speech and attributing it to Malek Williams.
Why doesn't Malek take credit for the posts?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Does the term confabulation mean anything to you?
Confabulation is thy name Crystal?
There is reason to think so.
The charges in 2002 were pled down to a lesser level and she was convicted on the lesser level. The point, dense kenny, is that sister was alredy well set in her behavior patterns of breaking the law long before 2006 when the evil white oppressors formed the grand conspiracy to ruin her life.
Anonymous said...
"Soooooooo. Malek or whatever your name is, what's mangum's excuse for the four convictions in 2002. Which evil white oppressor made her do lap dances, get drunk, steal a man's car, drive drunk, drive recklessly, an nearly over an officer?"
This is a National Enquirer type interpretation of the event. There was a question as to whether the keys were, in fact, given to her by the taxi driver because he was too impaired to drive. She was stopped for speeding and when she pulled over to park, she inadvertently brushed into the approaching police officer. He sustained no injury. The sentence she received was appropriate for the circumstances. It was not the grand theft auto and attemptced vehicular homicide as has been portrayed.
Malek Williams
Hillside H.S.
Class of 1996
Malek Williams:
"This is a National Enquirer type interpretation of the event. There was a question as to whether the keys were, in fact, given to her by the taxi driver because he was too impaired to drive. She was stopped for speeding and when she pulled over to park, she inadvertently brushed into the approaching police officer. He sustained no injury. The sentence she received was appropriate for the circumstances. It was not the grand theft auto and attemptced vehicular homicide as has been portrayed".
If this is really you and not KEN(innY) hiding behind you, the account of Crystal's misadventure with the cab came from police records which were compiled before Crystal became notorious for falsely accusing innocent Duke Lacrosse players of raping her, not from the tabloid. What you would call the tabloid version comes from Crystal herself, not any tabloid.
I say again, it was documented that the time of the cab theft, Crystal was intoxicated. She was not in a condition at the time to know what really happened. Do you think her accounts years later are accurate?
Let me ask you - does the term Confabulation mean anything to you?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA)cist)L:
If you say you are against racist hate speech but you deny that this post which you have caused to be posted 4 times(you admit you authored the post) is not a piece of poisonous racist hate speech, you truly, in my opinion, name yourself a hypocrite.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
You seem unaware of what Confabulation is. Here is a definition from Wikipedia:
"Confabulation is a memory disturbance that is characterized by verbal statements and/or actions that inaccurately describe history, background, and present situations.[1] Confabulation is considered “honest lying,” but is distinct from lying because there is typically no intent to deceive and the individual is unaware that their information is false."
Considering AG Cooper's expressed belief regarding Crystal, considering Crystal's documented(in the public record, not any tabloid) history of drug and alcohol abuse, I say Crystal is confabulating.
Unfortunately, you and SIDN(inn)EY are exploiting Crystal's condition to further your hypocritical racially motivated vendetta against the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players.
KEN(inny):
To my last comment, I add:
"Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome is a severe memory disorder usually associated with chronic excessive alcohol consumption, although the direct cause is a deficiency in the B vitamin thiamin.
Read more: Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome - causes, DSM, functioning, effects, withdrawal, person, people, used http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Wernicke-Korsakoff-syndrome.html#ixzz1vzUL4vHW
KEN(inny):
The URL from which I obtained the quote in my last comment is:
http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Wernicke-Korsakoff-syndrome.html
KEN)inny)
"Besides forgetting, memory is also prone to distortions, errors and illusions. Confabulation is one type of memory distortion that may occur in cases of brain damage. Although confabulations are described anecdotally in patients with alcoholic Korsakoff syndrome (KS), there are few systematic investigations of the presence and nature of these types of false memories in KS."
This is from: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18675286
No, Crystal does not suffer from Wericke-Korsakoff syndrome or any other sequelae of alcoholism. Crystal is not an alcoholic, period. This is just one of the slanderous lies disseminated about her by the Duke LaCrosse defense team.
Dear Dr. Harr" The gross ignorance, displayed in the post of the Anonymous poster @ 10:34 PM 5/25/12, is a blatent example of the kind of hate speech that I don't think you shoud tolerate on your blog. I defy this poster to sign his name to these ravings so people know just who he is and so his hateful views can be exposed. An example of the quality of his thought can be found in his statement, " I've been a white man all of my life". Dah? In Canada this speech would be classed as illegal hate speech. Someone should remind him about Thomas Jefferson an American Founding Father and the principal author of the United States Declaration of Independence
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I suspect the latest Malek WQilliams post is a word for word copy of a comment you left on a previous J4N post.
What say you?
Why would a Crystal supporter copy your words instead of using his own?
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"No, Crystal does not suffer from Wericke-Korsakoff syndrome or any other sequelae of alcoholism. Crystal is not an alcoholic, period. This is just one of the slanderous lies disseminated about her by the Duke LaCrosse defense team."
There is clinical evidence that Crystal confabulates. That you dislike evidence neither refutes it nor negates it.
Crystal's history of drug and alcohol abuse was compiled in the public record before Crystal ever became notorious for falsely accusing the Lacrosse players of rape.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"No, Crystal does not suffer from Wericke-Korsakoff syndrome or any other sequelae of alcoholism. Crystal is not an alcoholic, period. This is just one of the slanderous lies disseminated about her by the Duke LaCrosse defense team."
The only lies that came from the Duke Lacrosse hoax were Crystal's false accusations of rape and DA NI(nny)FONG's pre indictment, guilt presuming public statements on the case.
If Crystal suffers from confabulation, and that is a possibility, the only statements that were slanderous were NI(nny)FONG's. Someone who is confabulating is unaware he/she is not telling the truth. For a false statement to be slanderous, it has to be deliberate.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"' I've been a white man all of my life'. Dah? In Canada this speech would be classed as illegal hate speech."
What would follow from this statement is, if a Black man said I have been black all my life, he would be guilty of hate speech. If a Native American, say a Sioux, said, I have been a Sioux, he would be guilty all of my life.
Anonymous @ 930AM said : "I suspect the latest Malek WQilliams post is a word for word copy of a comment you left on a previous J4N post" ........... Yes it is. I do not know Malek Williams and I will ask Crystal about him when I get the chance. Like all who personally know Crystal, Malek seems to be in strong disagreement with the way she has been characterized by people like you. Most recently you have labeled her an alcoholic and a drug addict. Which is completely false.
Typo in my last post. I should have said:
If a Sioux were to say I have been Sioux all my life, according to KEN(innY)"s logic he would be guilty of hate speech.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"Most recently you have labeled her an alcoholic and a drug addict. Which is completely false."
For the past several months you have been labeling innocent Caucasian men either as rapists or as rape abettors.
@ Anonymous at 9:45. My words "In Canada this speech would be classed as illegal hate speech"
referred to the theme of his whole post and not just the proceeding sentence, where I quoted hin to demonstrate the quality of his thinking. I should have started a new paragraph.
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KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Considering all the racially motivated hate speech you have already posted, you are not capable of recognizing hate speech.
Why don't you give us your opinion of that posters screed.
KEN(innY)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
I presume by "screed" you mean the poster who said no white man would want to sleep with Crystal. As harsh and indelicate as it was, it was a statement that the members of the Lacrosse team and whoever were at that party had no motive to rape Crystal.
When the results of the forensic testing came back confirming that no rape had taken place, DA NI(nny)FONG made a statement, he would not be surprised if the perpetrators had used condoms, that an exotic dancer (e.g. Crystal) would not be his choice for a sex partner.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
The screed, to which you refer, was just as obnoxious as all the comments by black people that white men lust after black women and that was enough to convict the innocent Lacrosse players of raping Crystal(who falsified her allegatons)>
Ken: Why don't you give us your opinion of that posters screed.
I find it racist and obnoxious. It adds nothing of value to the discussion.
I suspect (although I have no evidence to support it) that Ken posted those obnoxious comments to discredit those who disagree with his posts. He is the only commenter to acknowledge those obnoxious comments.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
Please explain.
Malek Williams, on December 24 2010 posted a comment on Steven Matherly's blog Democracy Durham.
Then, on May 7, 2012, a post credited to Malek Williams appears on the May 6 thread on J4N which is identical, word for word, with the Malek post of December 24, 2010.
Do you really think it credible that Malek Williams, had he wanted to support Crystal Mangum, would have gone back to a 17 month old blog post so he can copy his comment and then post it as new on J4N?
It is not credible.
What is credible is that you found the post, you copied it, then posted it as a brand new post on J4N.
Give me a break. I am not Malek Williams I am not Vincent Clark. Dr. Sidney Harr, Malek Williams and myself are people willing to sign their name to their posts and not hide under the appelation of Anonymous. I was unaware of the Blog Democracy in Durham but when you pointed out to me I liked what I saw. In your 9:36 AM post you state : "Crystal's history of drug and alcohol abuse was compiled in the public record" Cite me one public record of Crystal abusing drugs.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
""Crystal's history of drug and alcohol abuse was compiled in the public record" Cite me one public record of Crystal abusing drugs."
How about the police record of her theft of the cab - it was documented there that she was intoxicated.
I said drugs not alcohol. Since you differntiated between the two in your 9:36 AM post, I challenged you on the drug abuse part. Yes, when she was stopped for speeding in 2002 she had a blood alcohol that was over the legal limit and was so charged. You made the claim that she abused drugs and said that it was in the public record. That simply is not the case. This is typical of the lies about Crystal that you and so many others have bought into but which have no basis in fact. These falsehoods emanated from those who would profit by discrediting her.
Anonymous @ 11:26 said: " I suspect (although I have no evidence to support it) that Ken posted those obnoxious comments to discredit those who disagree with his posts"....... Preposterous. I'm not a devious person and I would never stoop so low. Accusing me of that is in itself low-down. I did challenge that coward who wrote it to put his name to these hateful opinions to expose himself as the ignoramus he is but I don't suppose he will. As I said, in Canada and most nations such a hate filled post would be criminal. I know the US has no laws against hate speech so ignorant people are seemingly free to hurt others with their speech.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"said drugs not alcohol. Since you differntiated between the two in your 9:36 AM post, I challenged you on the drug abuse part.
In case you haven't noticed, alcohol is regarded as a drug by a lot of physicians. I consider alcohol abuse essentially the same as drug abuse.
You indicate you do not want to confront the inconsistencies in your idealized vision of Crystal.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"said drugs not alcohol. Since you differntiated between the two in your 9:36 AM post, I challenged you on the drug abuse part."
It was documented that when Crystal was interviewed by the AG's investigators, she appeared for interviews with them impaired and high on drugs.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"said drugs not alcohol. Since you differntiated between the two in your 9:36 AM post, I challenged you on the drug abuse part."
You forget that Crystal, by her own admission, downed 44 oz of beer(almost 3 pints) then took flexeril, a combination most physicians recommend against.
That is misuse of drugs.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"said drugs not alcohol. Since you differntiated between the two in your 9:36 AM post, I challenged you on the drug abuse part."
According to Wikipedia, the AG's office confirmed(even if you deny it) that Crystal had taken "Ambien, methadone, Paxil and amitriptyline, although when she began taking these medications is uncertain." That is a lot of psychotropic prescription drugs to be taking. One of the uses for Methadone is to treat Narcotics addicts. It is usually not used as a first line analgesic.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"This is typical of the lies about Crystal that you and so many others have bought into but which have no basis in fact."
What basis in fact did Crystal's rape allegations against three innocent Duke Lacrosse players have.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
This is a bit off topic, but it deals with your allegation that the characterization of Crystal as a prostitute came from the defense attorneys for the indicted Lacrosse players. This did not:
"James D. "Butch" Williams, a prominent Durham lawyer and sports agent, who represented Michael Vick, as well as an unindicted Duke lacrosse player said the following about Ms. Mangum:
'C’mon, kids. She wasn’t this little poor North Carolina Central student working the fields. She was a whore.'"
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
This comes from the Johnsville News:
"In the days and weeks after the attack Crystal Mangum went back to the hospital complaining of neck, back and knee pain she claimed was caused by the rape. 60 Minutes and other news outlets show a video of Mangum dancing at the Platinum Pleasures Club on March 25-26th, eleven days after the alleged attack."
This is a description of drug seeking behavior.
Whether or not you accept that is irrelevant.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite(DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"The Platinum Club's manager at the time, told investigators that Mangum seemed mentally unstable and appeared to be under the influence of drugs or drink whenever she was there."
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2007/04/13/44070/mangums-life-conflict-contradictions.html#storylink=cpy
Other people, besides Matt Zash and David Evans noted Crystal to be under the influence of something when she reported for "work".
Circumstantial evidence of drug abuse
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)L:
"I know the US has no laws against hate speech so ignorant people are seemingly free to hurt others with their speech."
Interesting. I guess you are unaware that your Fearless Fosdick SIDN(inn)EY, when asked about the New Black Panthers demonstrating in Durham, threatening Colin Finnerty and militantly demanding a guilty verdict, said that was Constitutionally protected free speech.
In any event, if the US had laws against hate speech, SIDN(inn)EY would have been incarcerated long ago.
That also goes for VIC(ious)TOR(acist)IA.
KEN(inny)HY(pocrite)DE(luded)RA(cist)AL:
"Preposterous. I'm not a devious person and I would never stoop so low".
Whether or not you would stoop low is questionable. There is evidence you are using some low methods to create the impression of wide spread support for Crystal.
I agree you are not a devious person. You have demonstrated you are not an astute or profound enough speaker to be devious.
WeALL kmow reverend kenny bull crap when we read it. No need to give it another thought. He is just like whacko harr.....loves to stir the pot to draw attention to himsef. Until these hypocrites bail out angm and pay for an attirney and help pay for remedial crae to help repair tge damage she had done to three children, they can stick it, as far as i am concerned
Mangum is a common prostitute. She has a long crimial record. She is a liar, drunk, and drug abuser. The only question now is whether she will go to prison and for how long.
Anyone whoever believed the lacroose players were actually guilty is an anti-white racist.
Kenhydral - you've got it all wrong.Black men rape white women not the other way around.In 2009 there were 37,000 cases of black men raping white women but not a single case of a black woman being raped by a white man.We just don't find them attractive.As far Thomas Jefferson is concerned he believed blacks were inferior to whites and should be deported back to Africa.He also thought they were ugly and smelled bad.Read Notes on Virginia.
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