To kenhyderal, Break, Walt, Kilgo, A Lawyer, Lance, Supreme Poster, guiowen, A doctor, Anonymi, all commenters, fans, all Tar Heelians, and fellow earthlings:
I hope that you all have a wonderful Christmas Holiday, get a chance to spend time with family and friends... which is what the season is really about. Not just things. I am grateful for all of your contributions to this blog site, even the ones that are nonsensical and unenlightened. Regardless, varying views make the site worthwhile and provides fodder upon which our brains can ingest.
I plan on having an important flog posted shortly after Christmas... and it is my intention of seeing that justice is achieved regarding Crystal Mangum in the coming year (sooner rather than later which would be the overturning of her conviction and granting her freedom).
So, as we celebrate the birth of the Baby from Bethlehem, may we all try to pattern our lives after the Man from Nazareth... seeking truth and justice, with courage to back it up.
Best wishes to all. Sid
Note: this year's card contains a little game which you must successfully play before accessing the card. Also, there are several differing versions of the card.
Note: this year's card contains a little game which you must successfully play before accessing the card. Also, there are several differing versions of the card.
320 comments:
1 – 200 of 320 Newer› Newest»Thanks for the Christmas Card; Keep up the good fight.
Nice card, Sidney.
Happy Holidays.
Hey, kenhyderal. You know that I'll be fighting... and I'm sure justice will be served with Mangum's release and the conviction overturned.
Have a great holiday.
Sid
gui, mon ami, glad you liked the card. Hope that you and your family have a wonderful holiday, too.
Sid
Merry Christmas, Sidney!
Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...
Sid - If Crystal Mangum had accepted the plea deal offered to her (the one you specifically advised her NOT to take), she would be free now.
IIRC, it was your advice (to continue switching lawyers) that prolonged the case as well.
Do you really have Crystal Mangum's best interest in mind?
How does it feel knowing that you are uniquely responsible for her current situation?
Prosecution has always denied offering a plea deal. Maybe the didn't. I tended to believe that they did because they had no case against her.
I did not advise her to switch lawyers, I advised her to represent herself. She surely couldn't have done worse than getting convicted of second degree murder after only six hours of deliberation. But in order for her to be successful, she would need to study her case and work on it... something which I feel she was disinclined to do.
Switching lawyers did not prolong the case... the time table was established by the prosecution. Media is misleading people about that.
As far as her current situation, I am definitely not responsible for it. Had she listened to me and worked with me, she would be free and not an incarcerated convicted felon. You can blame her current situation on her turncoat attorney Dan Meier, whose primary concern was protecting Duke University Hospital and the medical examiner... of which he did an excellent job. But at the expense of his client getting a guilty murder verdict.
Harr Supporter, Merry Christmas to you, too. Hope that you are able to spend the holidays with family and friends.
Sid
Dr. Harr:
What is your evidence that Mr. Meier was a "turncoat"? That is a very serious allegation to make against a lawyer.
I have seen zero evidence to support that claim, from you or from anyone else, except for the fact that Meier didn't want Dr. Roberts' written report in evidence. But wanting Dr. Roberts' report kept out is not evidence of Meier's disloyalty to his client unless the written report contradicted Dr. Nichols. If the written report supported Dr. Nichols' conclusions, Meier's wanting to keep it out of evidence shows his loyalty to his client, not the opposite.
What evidence do you have that Roberts' written report contradicted Nichols? None that I have seen. And there are two pieces of evidence that show that Roberts' report confirmed Nichols' report: (1) you have previously stated that Roberts' oral report supported Nichols; and (2) Mangum, after reading Roberts' written report, didn't go back to the judge and say that she had a problem with her lawyer trying to keep out exculpatory evidence.
Mangum has Roberts' written report and can show it to you. If it contradicts Nichols, she can move for a new trial on grounds that her lawyer did not afford her adequate representation. If the report is not forthcoming, the only inference is that it supports Nichols, and that you have been libeling Mr. Meier.
Meier did not attack the autopsy report of the medical examiner and he did not lay blame for Daye's death on Duke University Hospital where it belonged... secondary to the esophageal intubation. Instead, he gave liability for Daye's death to Mangum by accepting Dr. Nichols' unsubstantiated claim that an infection secondary to the stab wound caused Daye's death. He purposely let Duke and the ME off the hook.
Meier also hurt Mangum by convincing her not to allow Dr. Roberts report and/or testimony to be introduced. A crucial mistake.
Finally, I doubt whether Meier consulted with a physician. I don't believe he did any kind of investigation.
Any attorney who was interested in Mangum's best interests would have contacted me... especially since I am a physician and know Mangum's case better than just about anyone.
Anonymous said...
It's ironic that you would post something like this on a website that defends and celebrates Mike Nifong that is operated by a man who supported police and prosecutorial misconduct in the Duke lacrosse rape hoax and to this day continues to cheer on and advocate for the perpetrator of the hoax.
First I disagree with your premise that the allegation made by Mangum was a hoax. I know that Mr. Nifong believed that something in the way of a sexual assault did happen. Mike Nifong was only doing his job... acting independently
I am not cheering on and advocating for Mangum... I am advocating for justice. I do not believe that Mangum should be convicted of murder when an intervening action by Duke University Hospital caused Daye's death. That is clear. He certainly didn't have an infectious complication.
Happy Holidays to All.
Given that all the information you have ever had is that Dr. Roperts supported Dr. Nichols conclusions, you yourself said Crystal told you that point blank, why do you still think she would have helped, not hurt, Crystal?
Crystal received a written report from Dr. Roberts, and after reading and reviewing it, decided she did not want Dr. Roberts to testify. It was all there in the trial and the hearings, which despite your claims that the media was ignoring the trial, was televised gavel to gavel (an odd example of ignoring).
Perhaps she knows something you don't? And that's what is really pissing you off? You are a megalomaniac who wants attention. You don't care if people say good things or bad things about you, so long as they say something.
It's killing you that there is information about the trial, and the decisions, that you know nothing about and have no access to.
Poor Sid.
SIDNEY HARR:
That was one great Christmas Card.
KENHYDERAL:
Merry Christmas to ken and all the hyderals.
Merry Christmas to all.
Dr. Harr - do you actually think it is justice if the people are forced to be their own lawyers, even in felony murder cases in durham because of duke?
THAT is the problem. Would you actually advocate for people to do that if it wasn't durham, duke, or Ms. Mangum for that matter?
Seasons Greetings as well to all. Peace, goodwill, and hold it on the gas mask thing thoughts and well wishes to all.
Not to get too deep or anything, but doesn't it seem strange that Jesus's untimely, and questionable and highly questioned, and protested death in a DPD sqaud car around Christmas at their own Durham DPD buidling - topped with evidence of gloves and gun residue to explain a handcuffed behind the back suicide by gunshot to the head of a durham kid ... followed by riot gear decked DPD show of force with actual gas attacks on the family and supporters including women and children and innocent civilians in their time of vigil and mourning and nonviolent protest of the DPD ... are highly ... questionable events? Christmas 2013 in Duke/Durham land ...
May he rest in peace, and his family and the Durham community be comforted in this time of reflective goodwill and peace.
Merry Christmas to the Daye family. And to the men and families of the LAX team. And to the children of Mangum, safely AWAY from her. And to Walker (at least he is alive).
And to Break, A lawyer, Doctor Anon, Lance and Walt……warm best wishes…….and thank you for your wise and , often, hilarious contributions.
Anonymous said...
Given that all the information you have ever had is that Dr. Roperts supported Dr. Nichols conclusions, you yourself said Crystal told you that point blank, why do you still think she would have helped, not hurt, Crystal?
Crystal received a written report from Dr. Roberts, and after reading and reviewing it, decided she did not want Dr. Roberts to testify. It was all there in the trial and the hearings, which despite your claims that the media was ignoring the trial, was televised gavel to gavel (an odd example of ignoring).
Perhaps she knows something you don't? And that's what is really pissing you off? You are a megalomaniac who wants attention. You don't care if people say good things or bad things about you, so long as they say something.
It's killing you that there is information about the trial, and the decisions, that you know nothing about and have no access to.
Poor Sid.
Let me try and explain Dr. Roberts and her reports. Whatever Dr. Roberts may tell Crystal Mangum in private, is not a matter of record. I have no doubt that Dr. Roberts told Mangum that Dr. Nichols' report was accurate. However, whatever she puts in writing is a matter of record, and that is why she has been reluctant to put anything in writing... not because it would hurt Mangum's case, but rather because whatever she put in writing would have to be truthful, and it would incriminate Dr. Nichols and expose Duke University Hospital's role in Daye's death. This is what she did not want done.
I don't know what was in a written report that Dr. Roberts gave to Mangum, but Mangum may not have known the significance of the report (I certainly was not consulted), and more importantly her attorney pressured her, I believe, to keep anything from Dr. Roberts from being introduced. For one thing, Mangum had to make the motion for the report, Meier consistently talked about not wanting it introduced. The Meier so-called defense was extremely weak.
Also, as I have previously stated, if anything, I am a nanomaniac. My interests are in seeing justice. Mangum certainly didn't get justice after being represented by Meier.
Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:
That was one great Christmas Card.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr - do you actually think it is justice if the people are forced to be their own lawyers, even in felony murder cases in durham because of duke?
THAT is the problem. Would you actually advocate for people to do that if it wasn't durham, duke, or Ms. Mangum for that matter?
Seasons Greetings as well to all. Peace, goodwill, and hold it on the gas mask thing thoughts and well wishes to all.
I think Mangum's case is special because I believe that it was impossible to find an attorney who would put her interests ahead of Duke and the medical examiner. That is why I tried to get the State Bar to allow me to represent her. She is allowed to represent herself, but she is not as capable in doing so as I. If she had the motivation and desire, I think she was intelligent to represent herself and do a much better job than Meier.
It was known that Mangum's and Meier's strategies differed from the beginning, with Meier wanting to conceal the esophageal intubation (which he did), and Mangum who wanted to bring up Duke's responsibility in Daye's death. Unfortunately she relented.
I would advise anyone in a similar situation as Mangum to be allowed to take an active role in their defense, and not to allow their attorney to steer the case off course.
Anonymous said...
Not to get too deep or anything, but doesn't it seem strange that Jesus's untimely, and questionable and highly questioned, and protested death in a DPD sqaud car around Christmas at their own Durham DPD buidling - topped with evidence of gloves and gun residue to explain a handcuffed behind the back suicide by gunshot to the head of a durham kid ... followed by riot gear decked DPD show of force with actual gas attacks on the family and supporters including women and children and innocent civilians in their time of vigil and mourning and nonviolent protest of the DPD ... are highly ... questionable events? Christmas 2013 in Duke/Durham land ...
May he rest in peace, and his family and the Durham community be comforted in this time of reflective goodwill and peace.
I do not believe the Durham Police have been forthcoming in Huerta's death. Police Chief Lopez must think Durhamians are as dumb as Dogpatch Hillbillies.
No, i think he is trying to see how far, how fast, and how long he can push 'em before they 'crack' - just like they always do - this time the games are bigger - they keep building on what was allowed before - that is the way it is right?
'They' push - and then retailiate with excessive violence and force when they finally get a reaction that they can claim gives them the right to use excessive violence and force - or they fear monger into believing 'they' will - but in this case - being duke/durham and things the way they are in USA - how far do you think they will go with it this time?
Dr. Harr:
I think you are all wrong about both Meier and Dr. Roberts, but for now let me just wish you a happy holiday and a healthy new year and leave it at that.
Thanks for maintaining this board and letting us comment.
Good morning everyone, I echo A Lawyer's comments. I too think Sid is wrong about Meier and Roberts, I do appreciate his willingness to entertain dissenting viewpoints. And, I wish him and all a very Merry Christmas!
On a down note, I have a blog posting about the latest twist in the Huerta investigation at my blog at: http://walt-in-durham.blogspot.com/2013/12/chief-jose-lopes-on-facebook.html
Walt-in-Durham
A Lawyer said...
Dr. Harr:
I think you are all wrong about both Meier and Dr. Roberts, but for now let me just wish you a happy holiday and a healthy new year and leave it at that.
Thanks for maintaining this board and letting us comment.
We are all indebted to you for contributing your comments to the blogsite.
Thanks for the kind wishes.
As far as Meier, Dr. Roberts and Dr. Nichols go, I think that my next couple of flogs will heavily make you question your current position. I hope to have the first posted shortly after Christmas.
Walt said...
Good morning everyone, I echo A Lawyer's comments. I too think Sid is wrong about Meier and Roberts, I do appreciate his willingness to entertain dissenting viewpoints. And, I wish him and all a very Merry Christmas!
On a down note, I have a blog posting about the latest twist in the Huerta investigation at my blog at: http://walt-in-durham.blogspot.com/2013/12/chief-jose-lopes-on-facebook.html
Walt-in-Durham
Thanks, Walt.
With regards to Meier, Nichols, and Roberts, wait until my next couple of flogs. I'm sure you'll be having second thoughts.
As with A Lawyer, your contributions are invaluable.
I'm in the process of totally revamping my website. It'll be a while before it's ready. Would you like me to include on it a link to your blogsite? If you want, I could also add a link to your blogsite to this blogsite. Just e-mail me any image or design you would like on the click panel.
Anonymous said...
No, i think he is trying to see how far, how fast, and how long he can push 'em before they 'crack' - just like they always do - this time the games are bigger - they keep building on what was allowed before - that is the way it is right?
'They' push - and then retailiate with excessive violence and force when they finally get a reaction that they can claim gives them the right to use excessive violence and force - or they fear monger into believing 'they' will - but in this case - being duke/durham and things the way they are in USA - how far do you think they will go with it this time?
I am of the belief that the Durham Police could've used a lot more restraint. Just because the 150 or so wouldn't leave their parking lot is no cause to tear gas them.
Sid wrote: "I am of the belief that the Durham Police could've used a lot more restraint. Just because the 150 or so wouldn't leave their parking lot is no cause to tear gas them."
Reports are the demonstrators had left the parking lot and were returning when the DPD launched the tear gas.
Walt-in-Durham
Walt said...
Sid wrote: "I am of the belief that the Durham Police could've used a lot more restraint. Just because the 150 or so wouldn't leave their parking lot is no cause to tear gas them."
Reports are the demonstrators had left the parking lot and were returning when the DPD launched the tear gas.
Walt-in-Durham
You probably know more about it than I, as what I get is solely from the media. Besides that case is not high on my radar as the victim in that incident seems to have plenty of activists.
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Merry Christmas drunk prostitute,car thief,murderer and false rape accuser Cyrtsal Mangum.I hope you like your new home.You'll be spending a lot of time there.
Hate can really distort a person's reasoning.
Merry Christmas to bathrobe boy.
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas with every Christmas card I write.Always remember no white man would ever touch Crystal Mangum.
I'm dreaming of a white Christmas with every Christmas card I write.Always remember no white man would ever touch Crystal Mangum.
Couldn't you spare us your BS for one day of the year?
Are you really chiding someone for spewing BS on a website devoted to vindicating Mike Nifong and Crystal Mangum?
Anonymoust at 2:58 pm on Dec. 25 wrote: "Always remember no white man would ever touch Crystal Mangum."
The above comment is disgusting and has no place in this, or any other discussion.
Walt-in-Durham
I agree that the comment is disgusting. I disagree that it has no place in this discussion. To the contrary, it seems to fit nicely.
Only if you want to help prove the prejudice and discrimination that is displayed toward Ms. Mangum by duke supporters.
Anonymous said...
"Only if you want to help prove the prejudice and discrimination that is displayed toward Ms. Mangum by duke supporters."
A sarcastic man is a wounded man.
that is only one definition of many for sarcasm
that wasn't sarcasm anyway - that was reality ... so to speak
HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!
Sorry that my participation on this blog site has waned during the Holiday Season, however, I have found it necessary to work on my computer - which is old and runs my complex Flash programs at a snails pace. (I realized I was having problems with my computer when I was working on my Christmas card... it took much longer than usual because the computer kept freezing up... it was a very frustrating experience.) So in order for me to be much more productive, it is necessary for me to upgrade my computer. Once that is accomplished, I will have my next flog up and running.
The upcoming flog will be one of the more important ones I have ever produced, and will contain heretofore unheard of revelations... along with the flog which will follow it.
The estimated time of posting I would conservatively estimate to be around January 7, 2014... sooner if possible. Much work is already completed on it, but it cannot be completed until after my computer is up to the task.
Again, sorry for the disruption.
As you were.
Many people at Duke supported Ms. Mangum. Likewise, it is possible to be disgusted and repulsed by Ms. Mangum and not support Duke. One has nothing to do with the other. You should not conflate contempt for Ms. Mangum with support for Duke.
yes, but you could
and ... that particular troll does support duke ... nothing new on this blog ... or in duke/durham/nc for that matter
and ... another reason why her trial is questionable in its fairness and in its equal justice
It looks like Duke has a really strong lacrosse team again this year.I hope they win another national championship.Notice how everyone who was wrong about this case - Nancy Grace,Wendy Murphy,Mike Nifong etc.- never apologized.Not that I expected them too.We also shouldn't feel too sorry for Crystal Mangum.A large percentage of blacks end up in prison at some point in there lives.I guess you could say she is the female version of O.J. Simpson.
you are on the wrong blog
Anonymous said...
"yes, but you could
and ... that particular troll does support duke ... nothing new on this blog ... or in duke/durham/nc for that matter
and ... another reason why her trial is questionable in its fairness and in its equal justice"
A sarcastic man is a wounded man.
seriously - why do you do that?
does it make you feel better to thing i'm wounded?
that wasn't sarcastic either - it was the obvious - as usual
blah
A poster on this blog supports Duke and trashes Mangum and that renders Mangum's trial "questionable in its fairness and in its equal justice?" You are grasping at straws.
You can't celebrate Mike Nifong and cheerlead for prosecutorial and police misconduct when directed against people different from you then complain about the very same system when it is turned on someone you support.
who said anyone was celebrating mike nifong?
'you' can do those things and more actually if you don't understand the situation precisely since it is so questionable in the details of its reality
and you can sit here and celebrate trolls and duke who have shown their hatred for Ms. Mangum and any other who may be like her - (like a female or a black or mentally ill or a victim) to the world in very obvious and well publicized terms
oh - yeah
forgot that complaint
the way 'they' patronize you if you complain bout them (or at all)
yeah baby
duke calling - did you take our pill that we are hoping to make billions from (but that you might die from) - so, um ... that's why i'm a callin ya - ya dead yet - you can't come back into our hospital yet if'n you are bout dead btw - that would mess up our ratings these days ... so ... ya take it yet?
yeah baby
let the patronization begin ... er ... continue
if you do not think duke sukes big time due to how they have messed up theirs and everyone's elses health services - and due to their attitude about the expendability of people in general (at their hands)... you are just like them ... evil
Do a little dance, make a little love
Get down tonight, get down tonight
Do a little dance, make a little love
Get down tonight, get down tonight
"who said anyone was celebrating mike nifong?"
In case you hadn't noticed, the name of this blog is "Justice for Mike Nifong." Its premise is that Nifong is a noble character who acted heroically in the unethical prosecution of three innocent people.
There are reasons to dislike Ms. Mangum and disagree with what she has done with her life that have nothing to do with her sex, race or mental health. She is a victimizer and not a victim. She is where she deserves to be.
"if you do not think duke sukes big time due to how they have messed up theirs and everyone's elses health service..."
I don't think Duke sukes big time. Of course, I have no idea what shards (presumably of glass) have to do with Duke, either.
Perhaps our anonymous poster can enlighten us....
Duke hasn't messed up my health service. It hasn't messed up the health service of anyone I know. Keep grasping!
you don't even get your health services from duke probably - you are the one grasping if your still bashing on people for living in nc cuz that's where nifong did his thing
if Ms. Mangum deserves where she needs to be for being a victimizer - so do a lot of people at duke ... they are the masters at it (victimizing people for their own benefit)
if you want to base this who should be in jail game solely on how many people have died at whose hands or because of what they have done:
duke: innumerable - wonder if they keep an ongoing count - just guessing: millions
... including Mr. Daye
Ms. Mangum: ? to my knowledge none - Mr. Daye was alive and expected to live after duke performed emergency operation and health services on Mr. Daye - and then later died due to the health services they provided him
In order to vindicate Ms. Mangum Sidney needed to create a scenario where Ms. Mangum did not kill Mr. Daye. However, that scenario is not plausible or supported by a scintilla of evidence. Just because Sideny created it does not mean it is true or that anyone has to accept it.
You can play that game if you want, but you are going to getcalled out on it. When you engage in such outrageous and crude games, you invite the type of mocking comments you complain about.
Mr. Daye is dead for one reason and one reason only: Mangum plunged a knife into him as he was leaving his own home. There isn't a shred of credible evidence to the contrary and the allegations raised by Sideny are irresponsible, unprofessional and disturbing. It is why he is perceived as a crank and why no one takes him seriously.
Just because you and Sid choose not to live in the real world does not mean we have to join you.
you don't even know what the 'real world' is when it comes to duke and durham and nc apparently - you have no idea what you are talking about - you just want to justify your trolling, ect.
not working
they do have the lowest town/gown relationship rating in the nation for REASONS - THAT is the 'real world' in nc and USA - not your sports delusions
and ... there ARE a lot of highly intelligent people in the towns surrounding duke and in nc who contribute to that low rating
once you understand what duke really is and what and how they do what they do ... which tends to happen eventually if you live in nc ... your delusion begins to fade ... sometimes quicker than others ... sometimes not
If the town/gown relationship is that bad, why would the Durham PD, Durham DA and the alleged victims all cover for Duke's malfeasance?
If Duke had it out for Mangum, why were they so supportive of her throughout the lacrosse case, and why would they want the best witness against her dead?
If the entire Durham legal community is afraid to stand up to Duke how did the lacrosse defendants and unindicted players obtain competent, agressive local counsel?
If the ridiculous claims made on here have any validity, why won't Sid or anyone else bring them to the authorities? Why can't Mangum find a competent professional to raise them?
When you set up a website like this and make the ridiculous claims that are made on here, you invite mockery and crass comments.
As I said, you are entitled to create your own fictions and live in your own world. We don't have to join you.
because you don't know duke like duke really is would be the most logical answer still
leave this blog then
now
'we' who do know duke and how they get away with what they do won't mind
it will do your soul good - you won't have to ignore the duke killing fields in favor of cheering on duke bb which will surely damn you someday - and you won't have to suffer the wrath of consequences when your trolling finally catches up with ya
so ... yeah ... for the sake of your soul ... leave ... now ... bye
if you choose to ignore that
the obvious vs. the grand duke delusion design
then ... there you have it
your answer as to how duke can get away with it
how do you stay so deluded to their grand design and schemes in things?
[Update, Fri., 9.47am: Those wishing a chuckle can examine the ravings of pro-Nifong crank Sidney Harr (whose Justice for Nifong committee roster includes convicted murderer Crystal Mangum). Harr and the Duke attorneys can battle it out between them.]
This little tid-bit was found on the December 17, 2013 blog of DurhamWonderland. I tried the link, but couldn't get through. Don't know what he finds so humorous. Didn't bother to respond on his site because he never publishes my comments.
Anonymous said...
In order to vindicate Ms. Mangum Sidney needed to create a scenario where Ms. Mangum did not kill Mr. Daye. However, that scenario is not plausible or supported by a scintilla of evidence. Just because Sideny created it does not mean it is true or that anyone has to accept it.
You can play that game if you want, but you are going to getcalled out on it. When you engage in such outrageous and crude games, you invite the type of mocking comments you complain about.
Mr. Daye is dead for one reason and one reason only: Mangum plunged a knife into him as he was leaving his own home. There isn't a shred of credible evidence to the contrary and the allegations raised by Sideny are irresponsible, unprofessional and disturbing. It is why he is perceived as a crank and why no one takes him seriously.
Just because you and Sid choose not to live in the real world does not mean we have to join you.
The truth hurts some times... and you are going to be in a world of pain shortly after my next flogs are published. The truth will be irrefutable.
There is no doubt in my mind that within 2014, Mangum's conviction will be overturned and she will be released from prison. (It is inevitable.) My next flog, which is currently in production, should be posted within a week... as I mentioned earlier, I need to upgrade my computer in order to make it function reliably.
Simply repeating the same claims over and over again does not make them credible.
Anonymous said...
"who said anyone was celebrating mike nifong?"
In case you hadn't noticed, the name of this blog is "Justice for Mike Nifong." Its premise is that Nifong is a noble character who acted heroically in the unethical prosecution of three innocent people.
There are reasons to dislike Ms. Mangum and disagree with what she has done with her life that have nothing to do with her sex, race or mental health. She is a victimizer and not a victim. She is where she deserves to be.
I agree with everything you said about Mike Nifong with the exception that his prosecution in the Duke Lacrosse case was unethical. Mike Nifong is undoubtedly one of the greatest prosecutors in North Carolina history. His integrity ia above reproach and his independence to follow his conscience is what forced the Powers-That-Be to have him removed from office and disbarred.
Anonymous said...
Simply repeating the same claims over and over again does not make them credible.
True. But my claims are substantiated by medical records. Is it your position that the operative report supports the findings in Dr. Nichols' autopsy report?
Not only that, but Dr. Nichols' own testimony at trial was at odds with his own autopsy report.
These are not merely claims, but facts... and they will be featured in the next two blogs.
My position is that you are free to be as outrageous as you want to be. There is no law against parody, satire or outright trolling. If people want to play along, that is fine. As long as you keep your claims in the context of this site you will be fine. However, over the top, outrageous claims invite over the top outrageous replies. No one should feign surprise or offense at anything posted here. It is disingenuous.
Sid -- The link from Dr. Johnson's blog is to your reply to Dixie Wells' August 26th warning letter. It's the one written on "Justice4Nifong" letterhead, which includes the names of members down the left-hand side. Crystal Mangum is the 8th member listed.
Walt has links to them on his blog site as well.
FWIW, Dr. Johnson is correct -- your reply is quite humorous
What I find funny is that Sid has been told repeatedly on this site that the discrepancies between the autopsy report and the operative report have been, and were, fully explained, just not to him.
Yes, he is absolutely right, that just as Dr. Nichols testified, he didn't follow procedure and document injuries to organs he identified, and that the operative report did not. He admitted the problems, and the State never explained the discrepancy.
However, given the fact that the Dr. Roberts report was not introduced (nor was she called as a witness), nor were the Duke doctors, only a paranoid egomaniac like Sidney will believe that is more to further the conspiracy which exists only in his mind, and not because there were explanations for those issues, which weren't helpful.
He's just mad that he's not important enough for anyone to bother providing HIM with the explanation, because other than a lonely ranter on a website who is a fan of frivolous lawsuits, he's not entitled to any explanations, no matter how much he whines or how long he holds his breath, or how much damning evidence he claims he has.
I can guarantee you he won't post anything about the case his attorneys didn't already know and weren't already aware of (including the esophageal intubation after emesis, the chest tube - which he has missed, the discrepancies between what the autopsy said was damaged and what the operative report said was damaged).
The simple fact is, as has repeatedly been explained to him, unless Duke INTENTIONALLY killed Daye (which I think he believes), the knife would was A proximate cause of his demise, even if not THE proximate cause, or even the primary cause.
But, Sid won't listen because then he has nothing to rant about.
duke killed Mr. Daye and pinned it on Ms. Mangum - now THAT is evil for you - no matter how you look at it or whose side, if any, you're on
Duke didn't even take responsibility for what they did or raise issue with discrepancies with the autopsy report which were apparent.
The differences in the wound reported from Dr. Nichols and from duke were huge enough to effect the trial negatively and wrongly - which was very obvious.
Anyone who thinks that was a fair trial should be subjected to the same thing - then asked again if they thought it was fair.
It is a huge problem that no one knows the facts of this case in regards to duke's and the ME's services and involvement in the discrepancies and malpractice, since they were not presented and questioned at the trial. It is sickening to know duke expects to get away with this too, and watch how they 'do it'.
It is apparent they do not actually give a hoot what people think of them.
If you were to need duke health services knowing what they have done in this case, would you ask each and every person you came into contact with and/or seek some kind of verification from any other who may affect your health at duke, (insisting that they look you straight in the eye and fill out an affidavit or something), what are your moral opinions about the killing of Mr. Daye? THEN, would you take time to consider their responses carefully before you ever let them put a blood pressure cuff on you or stick a needle in your arm to draw blood or sign their paperwork accepting their services, etc.? ???
How does a person deal with this latest outrage by duke AND still accept their medical services? ???
Would that be considered child endangerment if a parent who duke had issues with took their child (or was taken) to duke for medical services in light of this current case?
Like Ms Mangum now, would it be considered child endangerment if one of her children were taken to duke for medical services - say - if they cut themselves with a knife chopping an onion or something - since they may become dukes victim if duke wanted to try to pin child abuse or murder charges on Ms. Mangum or her children's caretakers as well?
If you or your family require medical services at Duke, you should wear a tin foil hat at all times during your treatment. That will protect you.
i'm sure they've figured out how to nullify tinfoil hats by now - so probably not
blaaaat (that's the buzzer bleeping)
Now whenever someone from duke or with duke leanings or conflict of interest testifies or holds a position of judicial standing in court, their testimony or involvement can be questioned based on the possibility that their answers or judgements might stem from fear of duke's reprisal against them or their family if they testify truthfully against duke in anyway. Including in this case.
If Duke were the all powerful entity y'all claim, you'd all be dead by now. Instead, it's much more likely that you are just a bunch of crazed nutbags who need to take off your tinfoil hats and wake up.
we could just be lucky to be alive
no thanks to duke
anyway - how do we know you didn't have a tinfoil topcap on as you wrote that tinfoil hat musing - ya got a thing with tinfoil or just tinfoil hats?
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I don't have to wear a tinfoil hat ... I'm not a paranoid conspiracy theorist who thinks everyone is out to get me. Duke is sued repeatedly, and loses millions of dollars a year to litigation (which is standard for large organizations). Many lawyers make good money suing Duke (others make good money suing UNC, or various cities, or other things).
Why do y'all think Duke is all powerful? They aren't.
And, do you really think their employees would intentionally commit murder just because their employer was allegedly mad at someone?
"Now whenever someone from duke or with duke leanings or conflict of interest testifies or holds a position of judicial standing in court, their testimony or involvement can be questioned..."
Not in the real world.
"And, do you really think their employees would intentionally commit murder just because their employer was allegedly mad at someone?"
Of course they don't think that. It's troll bait they use to chum the waters with. Sid and his cranks wouldn't dare repeat their absurd claims anywhere outside of this blog and they won't waste an ounce of their time or money developing and pursuing their claims. That's how deep their belief runs.
how stupid
i do believe dr. harr is developing his claims - and meeting with ya'lls attitudes reflected in the entire system
so ... mr. daye is dead and duke killed him - but let's blame THAT on tinfoil hats - yeah right - good one
yes ... i believe duke killed mr. daye on purpose because they hate ms. mangum that much - yes - i know duke - and duke would do that
no conspiracy theory there
just 'knowing duke' will do it for ya
who are these lawyers exactly who continually sue to duke for millions - THAT information would be helful
The comments and attitudes displayed here that hold so much hatred for Ms. Mangum, everyone around her, and anyone like her are just mere examples of the same attitudes and decisions and life destroying consequences that are seen in the communities effected by duke's policies, politics, health services and management, comments and attitudes and practices.
This latest case is just an example of the same treatment many receive from duke.
Why do you think the lawyers won't put a stop to Duke's evil ways in Durham and for NC and the USA ... and just keep sitting there watching the mess get worse, and even instigating and being a part of it?
note: you're talking with someone who just watched Jesus commit suicide by blowing his head off (or so we are supposed to believe) in the backseat of a DPD squad car at their building with his gloved hands handcuffed behind his back - and witness his family and friends be gassed by the DPD during their mass vigil, and then watch (the DPD) take the monument made during the vigil down at Christmas or there bouts - cuz lord knows Jesus's mother can't just fracking grieve - so .... so ....... so ...... it wasn't fa ... la .... la ... la ... la for some i assure you this christmas in good 'ol duke/durham USA
and ... you just kinda feel it and the evil that is there and that is duke/durham ... at christmas ... or whenever ... (but you also see it in the news all the time ... at christmas ... or whenever)
if that is tinfoil hat territory for ya - then so be it
here ... it IS reality .... and it IS duke / durham
whenever i think of duke/durham now - i will think of that
that picture of what happened to Jesus and his family and his vigil and monument in duke / durham DPD christmas land instead of a Jesus in the manger type scenerio normally associated with the season and the reason ... cuz ... that IS duke/durham
The tinfoil hat is linking Duke, in any way, to the Jesus Huerta stuff. Yes, there are lot of questions with what the DPD did there, and they still aren't being transparent, but the fact you think Duke had anything to do with it, or the subsequent actions is the tinfoil hat conspiracy crap everyone is referring to.
As to who these lawyers are who sue Duke - if you'd do any basic research, at least the ones that end up being filed, instead of settled, they are all public record at the Courthouse.
And, to the poster who said he worries about any lawyer/judicial official with "ties" to Duke - based on the comments here, there isn't anyone they think doesn't have ties to Duke, even if there aren't any.
Obviously the feds need to get involved in what goes on in this state - since most of this state does NOT get involved - since most of what happens seems to typically stem from duke.
Thing is - who's gonna make the duke conflicted feds do such a thing?
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Maybe Charms can persuade them to assist in the cleansing and renewal of duke / durham injustice and health services land for the benefit of the safety and well-being of all (not just duke and their agendas) ... after all ... it was a suicide committed in a region dominated by the duke driven mental health system that is well beyond 'broken' (as it is normally referred to ... broken and corrupt ... and corrupted and broken and lead by duke)
Anyone's ties to duke magically and by law appear as soon as they step foot in the vicinity of duke's mandatory emergency medical services.
If the safety and well being of your own life does not a create a conflict of interest - than conflict of interest is not well thought out nor adequately defined - to say the least.
Anonymous said...
My position is that you are free to be as outrageous as you want to be. There is no law against parody, satire or outright trolling. If people want to play along, that is fine. As long as you keep your claims in the context of this site you will be fine. However, over the top, outrageous claims invite over the top outrageous replies. No one should feign surprise or offense at anything posted here. It is disingenuous.
The truth, is oft times stranger and more over the top than fiction. That applies in the vendetta-driven prosecution of Crystal Mangum. The outrage is that the medical examiner would produce a false and fraudulent autopsy report and perjured testimony at trial... the outrage is that Mangum's defense attorney would sabotage his own client in order to protect Duke University Hospital.
I get my laptop back tomorrow, and will furiously work on completing my next enlightening flog in hopes of having it posted by the beginning of next week.
Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...
Sid -- The link from Dr. Johnson's blog is to your reply to Dixie Wells' August 26th warning letter. It's the one written on "Justice4Nifong" letterhead, which includes the names of members down the left-hand side. Crystal Mangum is the 8th member listed.
Walt has links to them on his blog site as well.
FWIW, Dr. Johnson is correct -- your reply is quite humorous
I'm glad you find the response entertaining... even though you may not be enlightened by it.
Crystal Mangum is a member of the Committee... that's no secret. Her face is featured on the Christmas card!!
Anyway, I'm going to revamp my website, and, with Walt's permission, I plan on including a link to his website.
Anonymous said...
What I find funny is that Sid has been told repeatedly on this site that the discrepancies between the autopsy report and the operative report have been, and were, fully explained, just not to him.
Yes, he is absolutely right, that just as Dr. Nichols testified, he didn't follow procedure and document injuries to organs he identified, and that the operative report did not. He admitted the problems, and the State never explained the discrepancy.
However, given the fact that the Dr. Roberts report was not introduced (nor was she called as a witness), nor were the Duke doctors, only a paranoid egomaniac like Sidney will believe that is more to further the conspiracy which exists only in his mind, and not because there were explanations for those issues, which weren't helpful.
He's just mad that he's not important enough for anyone to bother providing HIM with the explanation, because other than a lonely ranter on a website who is a fan of frivolous lawsuits, he's not entitled to any explanations, no matter how much he whines or how long he holds his breath, or how much damning evidence he claims he has.
I can guarantee you he won't post anything about the case his attorneys didn't already know and weren't already aware of (including the esophageal intubation after emesis, the chest tube - which he has missed, the discrepancies between what the autopsy said was damaged and what the operative report said was damaged).
The simple fact is, as has repeatedly been explained to him, unless Duke INTENTIONALLY killed Daye (which I think he believes), the knife would was A proximate cause of his demise, even if not THE proximate cause, or even the primary cause.
But, Sid won't listen because then he has nothing to rant about.
The only explanation for the discrepancies between the autopsy report and the operative and other medical reports is that Dr. Nichols produced a blatantly false report for the purpose of protecting Duke University. Unfortunately, Mangum was persuaded by her turncoat attorney not to have Dr. Roberts report and testimony entered.
The truth will come out... just be patient. It will begin with my next two flogs!! Very important and revealing!
Anonymous said...
duke killed Mr. Daye and pinned it on Ms. Mangum - now THAT is evil for you - no matter how you look at it or whose side, if any, you're on
Sad, though it is, you are enlightened and are absolutely correct. The only question I have is whether his death was intentional or accidental... I'm inclined towards the former.
Anonymous said...
Duke didn't even take responsibility for what they did or raise issue with discrepancies with the autopsy report which were apparent.
The differences in the wound reported from Dr. Nichols and from duke were huge enough to effect the trial negatively and wrongly - which was very obvious.
Anyone who thinks that was a fair trial should be subjected to the same thing - then asked again if they thought it was fair.
Mangum's trial was unfair on many levels. The judge rushed the trial through and failed to remove a biased juror who tried to influence the other jurors at the beginning of the trial. Mangum's attorney pulled punches and did his best to protect Duke University Hospital at the expense of his client (I doubt that he even consulted with a doctor, and his advising Mangum not to have Dr. Roberts considered is inexcusable).
Mangum never even really had a chance. That's why I tried to get the courts to allow me to represent her. At least she would have had a strong defense and most likely would've been acquitted or had a hung jury (with the one biased juror being the sole vote to convict).
It's funny how those who now lament Duke and DPD's "evil ways" cheerleaded the prosecution of the lacrosse players and continue to support Mike Nifong.
You can'thave it both ways, guys.
"Mangum's trial was unfair on many levels. The judge rushed the trial through ..."
Didn't you also complain that Mangum's trial was being unfairly delayed? You can't have it both ways, champ.
yes, and duke can't say they provide health services and then turn around and kill people for their own benefit or pleasure either - can't have it both ways right?
You are just picking at straws to find some way to go your happy way and think all is well at duke and you'll be ok there - just something to complain about and feel vindicated about Ms. Mangum - since you have no idea what people think just because they post here.
And you can't claim to love your mother when you strangled her to death with an extension cord.
The problem with your analogy is that it has never been established that Duke kills people - for benefit or pleasure. Sid and the people on here who parrot him are well aware how preposterous this claim is. That is why they won't dare repeat it outside the safety of this blog. That is also why they won't waste a econd of their time or a penny of their money pursuing it.
seriously
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Anon @1:14:
Thank you for your insightful comment. You have enlightened us all.
Anonymous said...
"Mangum's trial was unfair on many levels. The judge rushed the trial through ..."
Didn't you also complain that Mangum's trial was being unfairly delayed? You can't have it both ways, champ.
Yes, I did complain about the delay, but that was when she was in jail, prior to being bailed out. As far as the trial goes, it is the speed with which it was rushed through that I object to. Although it wouldn't have done any good to allow Mangum's turncoat attorney more time to prepare, Judge Ridgeway should have given Meier more than a couple of months to prepare for a first degree murder trial.
He even rushed the sentencing phase. I have never seen a trial go at warp speed from jury selection to sentencing as quickly as this.
Either the trial proceeded too slowly or it proceeded too quickly. You can only pick one. It does not matter where Crystal was. That has no effect on the speed of the trial.
Kids like Jesus don't wear gloves in this area - you do see them in shorts, no gloves, no coats, maybe a vest over sweatshirt (if that).
If he was wearing some - why weren't they removed before he was handcuffed?
It hasn't even snowed here really in years - and when it did - it melted right away.
most people don't wear gloves here
Hi Mr. Harr. Its been a while since we've conversed. The last we saw spoke, it was at the Cameron Village Library and you were coming from seeing Mr. Carter on your usual Friday. Please get in contact with me.
Thanks,
SOS
Sid wrote: "He even rushed the sentencing phase. I have never seen a trial go at warp speed from jury selection to sentencing as quickly as this."
No, that's the way we do sentencing in North Carolina. A hold over from the days when we had jury sentencing.
Walt-in-Durham
Walt:
The law and the facts don't matter to Sidney. You must realize that by now.
Laws and facts change all the time - they themselves may stay the same - but perceptions and applications of the same change.
How does someone actively alter the application of a law in the middle of a case, or at a trial?
Are the processes to do such a thing different depending upon whether in prelim case work, the trial, or appeals and to differing levels?
At what level or process of the court system of any particular case can the differing applications and interpretations of a law be legally applied and/or challenged in any case?
Did Duke settle with the Daye family concerning the malpractice that lead to his brain death and ultimate death?
If so, excluding this information by the prosecution would be withholding favorable information to the defendant and would therefore be a cause for a retrial right?
Walt, if you don't mind my asking again, what is the exact law(s) that state medical facilities are, by law, responsible for their own malpractice and the consequences that ensue therefrom.
Isn't what happened in that trial illegal as far as duke is concerned, since they did not take responsibility for their own malpractice, and if they did, they further harmed Ms. Mangum and Mr. Daye and their families by not insuring that the medical examiner and prosecution were well aware of this fact, as it was favorable to the defendant, and would have helped the Dayes and Mangums in insuring a less stressful grieving and trial period for the Mangum/Daye case.
Did Duke settle with the Daye family concerning the malpractice that lead to his brain death and ultimate death?
Settlement are private; the public generally has no knowledge of their terms. If the Daye family had sued Duke, that suit would have been public, so, if they had settled, we would have known the fact that they settled (but not the amount they settled for).
As it happens, the Daye family did not sue Duke. It is theoretically possible that they settled with Duke without ever filing suit, but I think that's unlikely. Someone like Walt who knows the N.C. court system may correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that, in a case like this, the family would have filed suit and called a press conference if they thought Duke had committed malpractice, because that would have put greater pressure on Duke to settle. So my guess is that the Daye family did not believe there was malpractice and made no claim against Duke.
If so, excluding this information by the prosecution would be withholding favorable information to the defendant and would therefore be a cause for a retrial right?
Wrong, for at least two reasons.
(1) The prosecution is required to disclose only facts known to the prosecution and unknown to the defense. If there was some secret settlement between the Daye family and Duke, the prosecution may not have known, and the defense could have asked Duke if they wanted to.
(2) Even if there had been some secret settlement and even if the prosecution knew, they would have had no obligation to disclose that fact, because it was not something "favorable to the defendant." Malpractice is not an intervening cause, therefore not relevant or admissible.
That is why I dislike duke in part - they do these things that are malpractice or illegal by law - then try to get away with it by corrupting everyone and the system - and then sit there and let everyone else sacrifice and suffer from their mistakes - then laugh straight in everyone's face if they complain (even if they don't cuz duke gets their kicks and thrills on the legal battle front and win at all cost sports and political fields as well).
A lot to dislike - too much - too much to agree with anyone who doesn't have a problem with what duke just did in this case and to ever trust them again for anything other than harming others (and themselves).
What did Duke do that was illegal or malpractice? Please cite sources other than Sid's absurd statements made on this blog.
How did Duke corrupt "everyone and the system?" Please list the specific people that were corrupted by Duke. Cite sources other than Sidney.
Are you just jumping into the story - or what?
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Ya got a lot of reading to do, and i'm not really writing much here right now, so ... um ... start with all the local newspapers maybe ... ?
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During the week of Nov. 19, 2013 when Jesus died, the weather in the the Durham area was in the lows 70's on Sunday, and then on Tuesday Nov. 19, 2013, 50's to low 30's, then it climbed back up to 60's the following weekend.
There was no need for Jesus to be wearing gloves that week.
... the weather was "Clear"
Anonymous said...
Either the trial proceeded too slowly or it proceeded too quickly. You can only pick one. It does not matter where Crystal was. That has no effect on the speed of the trial.
The trial was delayed for too long... but once Judge Ridgeway scheduled it, it proceeded too quickly. Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?
Anonymous said...
Kids like Jesus don't wear gloves in this area - you do see them in shorts, no gloves, no coats, maybe a vest over sweatshirt (if that).
If he was wearing some - why weren't they removed before he was handcuffed?
Although I have gloves, I rarely wear them unless I'm carrying a book or something. Usually my hands are warmer inside my pockets. However, I do find it odd that a suspect would be cuffed while still wearing his gloves.
To SOS, could you text or call me at 919.601.1817. That's the best way to contact me. Call anytime, and if I don't answer I'll call you back.
Anonymous said...
Did Duke settle with the Daye family concerning the malpractice that lead to his brain death and ultimate death?
If so, excluding this information by the prosecution would be withholding favorable information to the defendant and would therefore be a cause for a retrial right?
That is a very interesting question. I don't know myself, but you're right that if such a transaction did take place it would definitely benefit Mangum.
Walt said...
Sid wrote: "He even rushed the sentencing phase. I have never seen a trial go at warp speed from jury selection to sentencing as quickly as this."
No, that's the way we do sentencing in North Carolina. A hold over from the days when we had jury sentencing.
Walt-in-Durham
Walt, it seems to me that there have been other trials when the sentencing was not done as quickly. Everything about this trial was quick.
A Lawyer said...
Did Duke settle with the Daye family concerning the malpractice that lead to his brain death and ultimate death?
Settlement are private; the public generally has no knowledge of their terms. If the Daye family had sued Duke, that suit would have been public, so, if they had settled, we would have known the fact that they settled (but not the amount they settled for).
As it happens, the Daye family did not sue Duke. It is theoretically possible that they settled with Duke without ever filing suit, but I think that's unlikely. Someone like Walt who knows the N.C. court system may correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that, in a case like this, the family would have filed suit and called a press conference if they thought Duke had committed malpractice, because that would have put greater pressure on Duke to settle. So my guess is that the Daye family did not believe there was malpractice and made no claim against Duke.
If so, excluding this information by the prosecution would be withholding favorable information to the defendant and would therefore be a cause for a retrial right?
Wrong, for at least two reasons.
(1) The prosecution is required to disclose only facts known to the prosecution and unknown to the defense. If there was some secret settlement between the Daye family and Duke, the prosecution may not have known, and the defense could have asked Duke if they wanted to.
(2) Even if there had been some secret settlement and even if the prosecution knew, they would have had no obligation to disclose that fact, because it was not something "favorable to the defendant." Malpractice is not an intervening cause, therefore not relevant or admissible.
Hey, A Lawyer... I think it is possible that Duke gave the Daye family a pittance in return for their signing off not to sue them. Naturually, if it did, it would make sure that the family kept it hushed up.
Surely the Daye family must know that Daye's coma was not induced by vague complications from a stab wound.
And, A Lawyer, as you will see clearly in my upcoming flogs, the esophageal intubation was without doubt the intervening and proximal cause of Daye's brain death and subsequent actual death.
I hope to get the first flog posted no later than mid-week.
Sid isn't wrong there was an esophageal intubation, he is wrong that it was malpractice or would have let Ms. Mangum off since she stabbed Daye. Her stabbing was A proximate cause of his death, even if it wasn't THE proximate cause.
Of course, he will never believe that, he's still upset he hasn't had the explanations for all of these issues (the autopsy report, Dr. Roberts, the esophageal intubation, and all the rest) explained to him, because he feels he's entitled to the explanation, when he isn't.
He's just seeking attention. He is right to a point, but refuses to admit it is only to a point, and really is just holding his breath and acting like a child because he's not on the "inside" and therefore isn't getting answers to the questions he has, even if they were answered for Ms. Mangum (who, remember is no longer talking to Sid, so the fact that she got information and made decisions either means Sid thinks she isn't capable of such decisions, or she knew what was going on) and the defense.
The 1 or 2 of you who are actual commentators and not Sid's alter-ego's done to feed his narcissism need to realize there is no "there" there.
The biggest proof all of you folks who think Sid has ANYTHING positive to say should need that he's full of shit is that he's been told repeatedly that his public airing of his issues did, and is, hurting Ms. Mangum, not helping her. Yet, instead of simply reaching out to the lawyers (who would probably ignore him because he's simply wrong, but who knows), he's broadcasting them out for the world to see, and to the great detriment of Mangum.
I can guarantee you that he will say NOTHING about the esophageal intubation (which did occur), the inconsistencies in the operative report/autopsy (which were real) or anything else which wasn't already considered by Ms. Mangum, her attorney, and the courts. They just didn't bother to consult with Sid about them.
He's just gonna keep tilting at his windmills because he apparently has nothing left to do with his days, and rather than be productive, he wants to call attention to himself.
If Duke's medical malpractice did not effect Ms. Mangum, Mr. Daye, or the community negatively and duke had nothing to hide - then why did the ME misrepresent what Duke says in their medical reports to place more weight on the stab wound and less on the complications which actually killed Mr. Daye due to medical malpractice; why did Dr. Roberts have to be 'forced' by the judge at Ms. Mangum's insistance against the lead of her lawyer of only two months to produce a written autopsy report which was not produced until the last day of the trial - even though she asked for the written report for @year - so no time to prepare for nor question it; why did all her lawyers and the DA's office refuse to raise the issue in a way in which the issue was presented fairly to the jurors and the defense, and the public; why didn't the defense lawyer question duke at the trial; and why didn't duke question the discrepanices between the reports themselves?
Everything that was done in that case and trial was done to keep hidden what Duke actually did to kill Mr. Daye. Why is that if it didn't matter to the charge and sentencing?
Does duke think their reputation is more important than professionally and responsibly handling their own malpractice and medical environment in such a way as to retain trust by the public? All they have done is place more doubt on their professionalism and ethics by what they did or didn't do legally and professionally in this case.
They will let the issues in this case stay under the rug if at all possible apparently - THAT is illegal - since legally they are responsible for what they do and have done - more so for most than Ms. Mangum since most don't rely on her to save their lives when medically needed, or to provide legal and professional advice and direction, etc.
Makes no professional sense at all.
Duke was completely uninvolved in this trial. They could care less. Other than their staff and employees were potential witnesses. Stop hiding behind Duke.
Even if there were malpractice (far from proven), that could only have occurred with the stabbing. Our laws make that A proximate cause, even if not the only one, or the primary one.
There are explanations for everything Sid is going to bring up, provided by the ME, the Doctors, and the defense expert. Sid is just upset that he isn't being included.
Not to spoil it, but Sid's flog is going to basically say:
When the temperature spike and agitation started, and they were trying to rule out DT (which they did), they wanted a new scan - and so they gave him contrast. He threw up as a result of the contrast (it happens), and started choking. They went to intubate. They initially placed the tube in the esophagus, not the trachea. By the time they were able to get it right, the damage was done.
See, the information is known. What Sid refuses to acknowledge is that it doesn't rise to the level of recklessness or intent, and doesn't alleviate Mangum's issues under the laws of our State. If you don't like the laws - work to change them.
But, he's going to pretend that only he is brilliant enough to have seen the issues, and if only people would listen to him, things would be different.
Instead, people knew the issues, people investigated the issues, responses were given (just not to Sid), and the case proceeded.
Duke was not involved in the case, no one did anything to protect Duke (they spend millions in malpractice settlements, like any healthcare organization - they aren't immune), and no one cared about the ME.
The case was tried under the laws of NC, and based on the facts as they were, not as anyone wanted them to be.
There is an appeal, and there are grounds for that to be successful, so hopefully there will be a new trial, but those grounds are not anything that Sid is pretending.
Anonymous said: "and they were trying to rule out DT (which they did)"....... How so. I don't believe this statement is true. There seems to be a concerted effort to deny any possibility that Daye was an alcoholic and the ramifications that diagnosis would have had on the events that led to him being stabbed. The supporters of the Duke Lacrosse Players are blinded to this reality, by their hatred of Crystal for having the temerity to report that they has sexually assaulted her. I ask you all to at least be objective and stop denying the obvious that Daye in a jealous alcoholic rage attacked Crystal. She was thankful he had given her a place to stay. She had no motive to murder Daye other then self-defence.
Sidney:
I understand perfectly well the words that come out of your mouth.
Crystal's November 2013 trial was scheduled on July 2, 2013 - more than four months in advance of the start date of the trial and more than two and half years after she stabbled Mr. Daye. Can you explain how that is "too quick?"
When should the trial have been scheduled?
Sid wrote: "Walt, it seems to me that there have been other trials when the sentencing was not done as quickly."
In North Carolina, we don't have a lot of discretion in sentencing. Our sentencing guidelines are very narrow. We also do not have a pre-sentence investigation as they have in the federal system. If you listened to the arguments of counsel at sentencing, you heard the state argue for the higher band and the defense argue for the lower band of sentences. That is really the only discretion the judge has. (Higher band or lower.) The Department of Correction then must incarcerate the defendant for the prescribed period of time. Not much to consider for the judge and not much to argue for counsel.
Remember, we had a system where the jury, if the defendant was convicted, moved immediately to sentencing. That was both unfair to the defendant and was causing an growing prison population problem for the state. In 1990, in response to defense requests for a less harsh sentencing system and the State Treasurer's concern about building enough prisons, we got the current sentencing guidelines with relatively little flexibility.
Walt-in-Durham
Anonymous at 1:48 PM wrote: "There is an appeal, and there are grounds for that to be successful, so hopefully there will be a new trial, but those grounds are not anything that Sid is pretending."
I agree that Sid's pretend grounds are not an issue. I am curious though what you think are grounds for reversal.
Walt-in-Durham
Kenhyderal wrote: "... The supporters of the Duke Lacrosse Players are blinded to this reality, by their hatred of Crystal for having the temerity to report that they has sexually assaulted her."
You are overlooking the fact that indeed, Crystal did lie about who sexually assaulted her. She lied about when she was sexually assaulted. She lied about where she was sexually assaulted. She implicated completely innocent people in the alleged sexual assault. While I have always given her the benefit of the doubt about sexual assault in general, what little evidence of sexual assault there is, was inconclusive at best.
Walt-in-Durham
A few things:
1. No one denied that Daye attacked Crystal in a rage (drunk or not), it was very clear that he attacked her, and went after her in a bathroom, and was dragging her by her hair. The issue was whether he was stabbed while strangling her, or if he had let her go and then she went after him. NO ONE denies there was a fight and physical altercation, the question was where, in that fight, she stabbed Daye - she said while he was strangling her in the bedroom, he said he'd let her go and turned to leave when she ran into the kitchen and got a knife and came back at him. That's the entire issue.
2. Walt - I'd love to get into a lot of specifics, but unlike Sid, I don't want to mess up her appeal (though I'm not sure many people read this blog, but I have no doubt he will send more letters to people). Plus, she has very competent appellate counsel who will come up with their own issues, but a few of the more obvious ones:
a. The 404b evidence (Milton Walker)
b. Not allowing the accident/scene reconstruction expert to testify.
c. Requiring the trial to proceed while the ME was under criminal investigation - regardless of how it turned out, forcing the trial to start while that was an open question seems to be an issue.
d. The initial issue that led to the questioning of the jurors individually and the denial of a mistrial related to that.
There are others, but those seem to be some bigger ones. The proximate cause argument isn't one of them.
so the doctors get immunity from murder at Duke - even from their own administration ... nice to know
That's about as fracked up of a case and trial as I have ever seen - to have the people who actually murdered a person knowingly sit right here or there in the trial - and laugh - point fingers - and grin when another person takes the blame - while everyone watches - knowing full well that could be anyone in the defendants' hot seat - and the murderer is probably killing a goodly sum of people that day and everyday in a continuance of their unchecked and uncontrolled murderous, unethical, and celebrated medical malpractice, while supporting in major ways the government forcing the entire nation to pay for their illegal and deadly services
duke has ruined NC and is working on the USA and world
they apparently do it as sport and on purpose now
they ARE the evil mongering rage that torments this land
they are the force behind the corruption of NC and the exploitative harm to many, including children, infants, the elderly, the ill, the disabled, women, young boys - family, friends, enemies and collegues alike
they are really, really evil
wonder what happens to the patient if you actually question what the doctor or medical staff is doing and why at duke ... most doctors there won't give you the time of day if you asked without worrying if your 'bothering' them (if they don't show you that reaction immediately - in your face) much less clear information on their medical practices and diagnosis, etc.
you have to sign your life over to them just to get your temperature taken - you have to shutter your mind and your humanity and accept their professional malpractice unless you want more of the same or worse - you have to accept their judgement of you if you are concerned about their services - even after you watch them make even their own nurses flinch by their bed side manners, practices and procedures - and sit there and grin along with them (so they won't shove anti-notgrinning meds on you) ... anything to get you to grin or shutup (or leave) ... or die if it benefits them
moral of the story:
just say no to duke
might just save your life someday
No one is buying it, guys. You need to come up with something better.
you are an evil duke troll
go pay for duke to kill you or others while you grin bout it then - uncle sam, and duke are waiting ... and don't ask what they can do for you - or what they plan to do to you ... that would be unpatriotic to duke or the USA and you could end up on one of their many 'lists' of no return from their celebrated evil land of unchecked power, corruption, and malintent
Anonymous said: "she said while he was strangling her in the bedroom, he said he'd let her go and turned to leave when she ran into the kitchen and got a knife and came back at him. That's the entire issue"...... Crystal testified under oath and was cross examined. Daye only gave his account to investigating Officer Bond. Surely, here, there is reasonable doubt as to who was telling the truth. Again, the discrepancies as to sequence and placement in time and place, during such a violent physical confrontation, that happened two years before, are inconsequential minutiae and only confuse the broader question. Why would Crystal possibly murder Daye?
she didn't
it was one nonlethal self-defensive stab wound - even Mr. Daye himself indicated that he did not think she was trying to kill him - only that she lost it when he attacked her
Looks like the News and Observer is getting in a warm up to the gloves that Jesus wore dilemma - affirming that folks round bout here have to actually be told that gloves (mittens) are an important part of everyman's outfit in the freezing days ahead.
Warning people to wear gloves in the next few days is actually front page news as a safety announcement in duke/durham injustice and Jesus miracously shooting his own head off with gloved hands handcuffed behind his back in a DPD squad car during a week of rather balmy weather land.
Kenhyderal wrote: "Crystal testified under oath and was cross examined."
And, she was not credible. To believe Crystal, you have to disbelieve everyone else and you have to disbelieve the physical evidence. She was her own worst enemy at trial.
Walt-in-Durham
Who is this everyone else you have to disbelieve Walt? Mr. Daye himself said she wasn't trying to kill him, just that she lost it when he attacked her.
Should that be believed or not?
The Jury never said she intended to kill Daye (in fact, since they did not find 1st degree, they specifically found no premeditation or deliberation - oh, and stop with the Felony Murder rule crap - simple felony larceny cannot lead to felony murder).
What they found is that she intentionally stabbed him, with malice, and that stabbing was A proximate cause of his death (which is what Sidney is going to go apeshit about in his upcoming Flog, because he doesn't understand how, no matter what Duke did, Daye would not have been in the hospital with a stab wound if Crystal hadn't stabbed him, so she is A proximate cause, even if Duke was the larger cause).
It seems clear she didn't intend to kill him, she just stabbed him (either in the bedroom or the hall, either as he was strangling her, or after he let her go and turned away).
2nd Degree murder, like manslaughter, does not require intent to kill.
BORING BORING BORING
Because she gets upset when she is attacked and defends herself - where is the malice in that? Maybe she thought he was going to attack her again - maybe he would have if she hadn't stabbed him to make him stop.
There is no indication of malice in their relationship - he attacked her - and she protected herself, even he admited that. He was jealous because he was becoming more involved in the relationship then she was ready for or aware of at the time ... people are like that (especially very drunk ones). She was afraid of him before he attacked her and was asking the cop for help who was there.
She wouldn't have stabbed him if he hadn't attacked her and she wasn't then protecting herself.
Everyone knows she has been shafted by duke and the court system - get real.
Anonymous said...
Sid isn't wrong there was an esophageal intubation, he is wrong that it was malpractice or would have let Ms. Mangum off since she stabbed Daye. Her stabbing was A proximate cause of his death, even if it wasn't THE proximate cause.
Of course, he will never believe that, he's still upset he hasn't had the explanations for all of these issues (the autopsy report, Dr. Roberts, the esophageal intubation, and all the rest) explained to him, because he feels he's entitled to the explanation, when he isn't.
He's just seeking attention. He is right to a point, but refuses to admit it is only to a point, and really is just holding his breath and acting like a child because he's not on the "inside" and therefore isn't getting answers to the questions he has, even if they were answered for Ms. Mangum (who, remember is no longer talking to Sid, so the fact that she got information and made decisions either means Sid thinks she isn't capable of such decisions, or she knew what was going on) and the defense.
The 1 or 2 of you who are actual commentators and not Sid's alter-ego's done to feed his narcissism need to realize there is no "there" there.
I am pleased that you are enlightened enough to realize and brave enough to admit that the initial intubation of Daye was esophageal. However, I must disagree with your assertion that it doesn't constitute malpractice... as it most definitely does. Especially when it is not recognized and corrected in a timely manner.
There will be more on this in my next two flogs.
Work is progressing on my next flog with my upgraded laptop facilitating things. Working on it 'round the clock, I hope to have it posted no later than this coming Wednesday!
Who gives a damn when you next flop comes out, wingnut
Even if it constituted malpractice, under the laws of NC, it would not be an intervening cause to cut off liability for the initial injury. That would have to be an intentional act, and unless your flogs are going to show that Duke intentionally killed Daye, they aren't going to say anything that you haven't already said, and which has been debunked by the people who actually know what they are talking about, as opposed to the conspiracy loons.
There is nothing "enlightened" about admitting facts - just like there is nothing noble about ignoring laws and contrary positions.
The only nexus between Daye's death and the stab wound he received is it was the wound that sent him to hospital, where that wound was successfully treated. And, that event is insufficient risk to be considered the proximate cause of his death. A whole new dynamic intervened, unrelated to his wound and directly related to his chronic alcohol abuse, when Daye began to exhibit alcoholic withdrawal. This precipitated the cascade of events that led to his demise. Had a broken ankle sent him to Duke Hospital and had he received the same medical mismanagement of his delirium tremens the same outcome would have ensued.
Ken:
I would agree with you, but then both of us would be wrong.
Anonymous at 6:27 AM wrote: "Who is this everyone else you have to disbelieve Walt? Mr. Daye himself said she wasn't trying to kill him, just that she lost it when he attacked her.
Should that be believed or not?"
I trust Anonymous at 6:49 AM enlightened you.
Walt-in-Durham
Sid wrote: "However, I must disagree with your assertion that it doesn't constitute malpractice... as it most definitely does. Especially when it is not recognized and corrected in a timely manner."
Since April 2011, I have been writing this but, apparently it is worth repeating: medical malpractice is not an intervening cause.
Walt-in-Durham
Theoretically - it is the cops and admin at duke or durham who should be concerned and investigating the matter, or the DA and the SBI or someone like that for doctors - or Ms. Mangum's many lawyers - but not Dr. Harr. That is NOT his job - and he is not responsible for all those others not doing theirs by not taking responsibility for the public's trust in duke and safety by being concerned about such things to actually investigate and deal with these matters concerning duke and durham more professionally and ethically to retain at least that portion of the public's trust in duke/durham/nc.
Duke has only themselves to blame for the harm they did to themselves and others by not taking responsibility for the harm they do to themselves and others in the first place. Legally - that is what they are required to do - and logically - professionally they will be judged by how well they can follow that law in their service to others - not how well they can corrupt the system and get away with it, regardless of what they do.
Or is that the professional standard to be emulated and respected by anyone who duke gives a hoot what they think of their professionalism and ethics the same in its lack of professionalism and ethics?
It is hard to watch and also agree to be part of it in anyway except to complain about it ... seriously.
Walt said: "Since April 2011, I have been writing this but, apparently it is worth repeating: medical malpractice is not an intervening cause"....... Yes, Walt, if the medical malpractice was in treatment of an injury, from a putative crime, that originally sent the victim to Hospital. That makes sense. The onset of delirium tremens, though, precipitated by a hospital admission for anything other then alcoholism and the faulty treatment thereof, which led to death can not reasonably be tied to anything other then chronic alcohol abuse.
The picture of the lung with infection in it that supposedly was removed from Mr. Daye's body that was shown in the trial to the public by Dr. Nichols can only be questioned - not trusted since the doctor was just fired and thus his credibility is lacking in this case.
In addition - a picture of an infected lung is not solid proof of anything - except that the ME had a picture of a deceased lung at his disposal and claims it was Mr. Daye's. That is his credibility at this point in the game. Was Dr. Roberts able to actually inspect the lung and test the DNA for a match with Mr. Daye before providing her written report? Maybe her report is that detailed since it took her so long to produce it. Is it available to the public yet?
The only thing credible about the ME and duke medical reports is that Mr. Daye died - and duke and the ME had to come up with a reason why.
Anonymous said:
Theoretically - it is the cops and admin at duke or durham who should be concerned and investigating the matter, or the DA and the SBI or someone like that for doctors - or Ms. Mangum's many lawyers - but not Dr. Harr. That is NOT his job - and he is not responsible for all those others not doing theirs by not taking responsibility for the public's trust in duke and safety by being concerned about such things to actually investigate and deal with these matters concerning duke and durham more professionally and ethically to retain at least that portion of the public's trust in duke/durham/nc.
The thing is - relying on Sid's rantings, why do you assume this stuff wasn't investigated? Remember, the Defense had an expert, which they chose not to use - so you can either believe that it's one more person added to Sid's vast Duke conspiracy, or actual, rational, investigation does not produce the results Sid claims it does, but produces other results, which aren't/weren't helpful to Ms. Mangum.
I would assume all of those issues were investigated, and decisions made based on those results.
The fact that no one cares enough about Sid to share the results of those investigations with him is what he's really upset about. He knows there are reports and information out there, but no one will share with him, so instead he keeps ranting on and prattling on with incomplete information and pretending he has the answers.
If he had access to the full story, and full information, maybe his mind would change (probably not), but having access to only partial information and claiming you've uncovered some bombshell is delusional at best, and it's hilarious how people actually seem to believe him.
He's looking at 3 pages of a 100 page book, and claiming to understand everything that went on, and claiming that there is no way those other 97 pages can explain the story/issue in the first three. They can, you just have to read them.
well ... where are the other 97 pages? They seem to be missing.
The other 97 aren't missing - the people who are entitled to see them, and who need to see them, have seen them. Sid is just mad that he's not one of those.
There is no reason for Sid to have that information, other than his own curiosity, which doesn't matter to anyone else.
Why do you think that the only one interested in duke's medical practice and the ability to trust the NC ME's reports is Dr. Harr?
Most NC adults would have a concern about that information - as it effects all in NC.
Kenhyderal wrote: "Yes, Walt, if the medical malpractice was in treatment of an injury, from a putative crime, that originally sent the victim to Hospital. That makes sense. The onset of delirium tremens, though, precipitated by a hospital admission for anything other then alcoholism and the faulty treatment thereof, which led to death can not reasonably be tied to anything other then chronic alcohol abuse."
In your own way, you just proved Crystal's guilt. Proximate cause. Daye was in the hospital because of a stab wound Crystal inflicted. With friends like you, she doesn't need any enemies.
Walt-in-Durham
Why do you think that the only one interested in duke's medical practice and the ability to trust the NC ME's reports is Dr. Harr?
Most NC adults would have a concern about that information - as it effects all in NC.
Most adults already trust Duke and the ME's report, and trust that those involved did investigate the matters. It's only the paranoid few (who tend to clump here) who seem to think there are still issues, and that's because they don't have access to that information, but they aren't entitled to the information. And, there is no point in it being provided, because paranoid conspiracy theorists would just come up with another argument.
The people who really think Duke intentionally kills people and is a murderous organization are not going to accept any evidence that shows that may not be true in this case.
She did it in self-defense - even the attacker confirmed that, and the evidence confirmed that attacker attacked her. If you did it in self-defense and duke then killed your attacker - would you expect to have to go to jail for defending yourself against an attack and then duke killing your attacker?
You prove the point that saying anything or trying to provide information is useless. As has been explained, there were 2 stories, 1 would be self-defense, 1 wouldn't. The Jury obviously believed the one that wasn't (which is that he wasn't strangling her when she stabbed him, but had, in fact, let her go and turned to go when she ran and grabbed the knife and came back at him).
No, actually most adults in NC don't hanker much to Duke treating them like children in the olden golden days - as in be seen and not heard, etc.
You have a low opinion of people's ability to think for themselves in NC don't you - most of us don't trust duke or the ME at this point. (oh wait - that's it - you are a one of those from duke that think they have to believe everything duke's says and does - or else ... got it)
If Ms. Mangum had not been able to ask Dr. Harr to review those records for her, and he did and let the world know about the discrepancies and malpractice, duke/durham/nc justice system would have rolled right over her, (not that they haven't), and would have let everyone believe that there were no discrepancies, medical malpractice, or causes for concern about duke or the ME. And, even though the world knows, we still have to watch the duke/durham/nc try to do just that - and doing what you are doing - which is discrediting the intelligence of the people for knowing that what they are doing is BS as usual.
Did you even watch the trial? The ME was asked about, and acknowledged, the discrepancies. They weren't hidden, they were highlighted.
Yes, i watched the trial.
The discrepancies were not highlighted, they were brushed under the rug and shrugged off by the ME, and the defense lawyer did NOT go into any detail or cross questioning on the issue that mattered in any degree whats so ever - nor that covered all the MANY discrepancies - nor go into what any of those meant to the trial, Mr. Daye's death, proximate cause of duke's medical malpractice, discrepancies in the ME report used to charge and incarcerate MS. Mangum, or to Ms. Mangum's convinction. A LOT was missing in the trial.
The defense lawyer needed expert medical witnesses, etc. He did not have those because he had barely 2 months to prepare for a trial he tried to have rescheduled so he could have time to prepare. That was the jist of the trial, other than to confirm the need for what Dr. Harr has tried to do for Ms. Mangum, although as a doctor, he needs a lawyer to assist.
Dr. Harr - is there ANY WAY to get Ms. Mangum a lawyer at this point to assist her? Perhaps a productive fund raiser and awareness for the need for a lawyer for her would work? ???
YOU need a lawyer to assist - plain and simple - although I do understand why you proceed without one - since you don't trust them to assist against duke - which is obvious to most that you are right if they only look - but - still - we the people need a lawyer to represent us - and you - representing we the people or Ms. Mangum - need that lawyer as well. plain and simple (altho I personally appreciate that you were able to let people know what duke/durhma/nc was up to with the ME and medical reports, malpractice, and discrepancies, etc. - otherwise noone would have known about it and would be subject to the same risk of death at duke and questionable autopsy reports - altho that risk seems entrenched at this point still.
Walt said: "In your own way, you just proved Crystal's guilt. Proximate cause. Daye was in the hospital because of a stab wound Crystal inflicted. With friends like you, she doesn't need any enemies"...... Walt, notice I said "if" the medical malpractice was in treatment of an injury, from a putative crime, that originally sent the victim to Hospital? In this case, the treatment was for a medical condition totally unrelated to the injury that sent Mr. Daye to hospital and it in no way was impacted by the successful treatment of that injury.
The defense had an expert medical witness. They elected not to call her to testify.
At this point Mangum has had several competent attorneys represent her at various stages in her criminal trial. She now has very competent appellate counsel. The fact that none of those attorneys has adopted the theories and stategies advocated by Sidney should tell you something.
it only confirms what Dr. Harr and many say and know - that the justice system is corrupted and broken by duke ... that's all
That is one possible explanation. The other, more likely one, is that Sidney is wrong and everyone who was involved in the actual investigation and trial of the Mangum case is right.
right about what exactly?
???
the jury decided
how can they decide if 97 pages of the 'story' are missing? or 3? or all the other information you say exists but no one knows about?
they can't
if Mr. Daye had not attacked and pulled Ms. Mangum out of the bathroom she locked herself in for her own safety - then she would have had no need to defend herself against him - he was the proximate cause of his own stab wound
plain and simple
there was no malice - he was introducing her to his family that very evening - there may have been misunderstandings and a lot of drinking on Mr. Daye's part - and desperation on Ms. Mangum's part ... but no malice
domestic violence is usually not about malice ... it is about control and jealousy and power and misunderstandings and too much drinking, etc. ... things like that ... but usually not about malice (that's why its differentiated and called domestic violence i suppose)
Anonymous said...
the jury decided
how can they decide if 97 pages of the 'story' are missing? or 3? or all the other information you say exists but no one knows about?
they can't
WOW, the total lack of reading comprehension, and basic common sense among some of the folks here is astounding.
They are only missing to Sid. The lawyers, jurors, Mangum, and everyone else involved in the trial who actually needed them and was entitled to them, had them.
Sid has little comprehension of what happened, and a LOT of missing information. The people who actually mattered in the trial understand what happened, and had the information needed.
Just because you aren't being handed answers/explanations to which you aren't entitled (and which you wouldn't believe anyway) doesn't mean they don't exist.
Just because Sid hasn't seen or heard something doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it just means that no one has chosen to share it with him.
I think everyone - including the prosecution, judge and jury - agrees that Ms. Mangum did not act with malice.
The jury did not buy Ms. Mangum's self defense story. She should have kept her mouth shut and not testified.
Just the fact alone that it was the domestic violence division that did the investigation, and not the homicide department is an indication that 1st or 2nd degree murder should not have even been considered in this trial. Mr. Daye was the one who would have been charged, if anyone, in this case if duke had not killed him - probably. Both might have received some type of penalty, but Mr. Daye was the agressor, and Ms. Mangum was the defender. If the state wanted solid evidence for a homicide investigation - then they would have sent in different investigators to talk to Mr. Daye before he died if possible - not a domestic violence investigator who didn't even record the interview with Mr. Daye for solid evidence in a trial.
If they all knew she did not act with malice - then why the 2nd degree murder charge and convinction?
There was no basis for it. Malice was not proven.
The jury got to see the medical and autopsy reports and compare to see the discrepancies and had them explained in detail to them or anyone else? I don't think so.
The reason it was not the homicide folks and was the DV folks is because he wasn't dead, and wasn't expected to die, and she was originally charged with Assault - so the homicide detectives wouldn't be involved. By the time it was clear he was going to die, he was unconscious.
So of course it was the DV detectives.
Then the knife wound was not the proximate cause of his death since he was not expected to die from it, folkun. But you know that, of course.
Just because you aren't expected to die from something doesn't mean it can't be a proximate cause of a death that ultimately results from a variety of factors including that.
Remember the Defense had a medical expert that wasn't used - assume that expert and others could have explained the discrepancies but the explanations would have been more harmful than helpful to Ms Mangum, so better to let the jury know discrepancies exist and use it to try establish some doubt about the autopsy.
Is that the official line that is being fed to ALL the dukies?
prove it - i obviously am not assuming anything
No one has to "prove" anything. Just because a few crackpots are buying into bizarre conspiracy theories based on lack of information and refusal to acknowledge the law, why should anyone do anything but what they are doing, which is ignore the fringe crazies?
Now durham is a place where if you get in an accident or require medical services - you deal with people who think they can get away with whatever they want to do or actually do and blame it on you to continue to do as they please - in their hospitals, by their cops who kill instead of investigate and protect the safety of the public, and by the judicial system who by their very allowing of injustice, inequality, and corruption to exist - perpetuate and encourage the injustice, inequality, corruption, and crime that durham is famous for to exist.
to the current poster putting down people here - why are you posting here?
seriously
Trying to educate and explain, but as has been noted, no explanation is listened to, the same things that have been repeatedly explained by Walt and others are just continuously thrown out there by people proclaiming to want answers.
So, ultimately just frustration - why do you think anyone would answer anything when it's clear that if the answer isn't what you want to hear you will just say they are lying, or part of the Duke Conspiracy, and ask the question again.
As they say, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
If y'all are really curious, why not reach out to people other than Sid?
like who?
and the rest: what are you talking about - this blog is where you get the real news about that case - not the news ... get real ... why should anyone buy the lies - you live around duke long nuff - and your type of putting people down if they don't believe what duke says or does is a standard thing you get to recognize and used to fending off - like a fly - shoo
Sidney:
Will you be submitting an amicus curiae brief in Mangum's appeal?
HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT..
I just wanted to give an update on the latest flog. As mentioned previously, it was my intention to have it posted today... an optimistic hope. Part of the problem is that there is so much information included in this flog. The other delay has to do with my creative process... which is one that is fluid and although written in advance, the presentation morphs in accordance with my creativity... and somethings are rather time intensive in bringing to the screen. Being a perfectionist, I want nothing but the best presentation possible for my viewers... so getting the right sound effect, image, or atmospheric background music can lengthen the production time.
A realistic adjusted date for the next flog would be on Friday the tenth... in the afternoon. Sorry it is taking extra time, but result will be well worth it.
As you were.
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Anonymous said...
Why do you think that the only one interested in duke's medical practice and the ability to trust the NC ME's reports is Dr. Harr?
Most NC adults would have a concern about that information - as it effects all in NC.
BING-O!! You get the prize. That is exactly the reason why I'm fighting so hard for Crystal. If the system can screw her with trumped up charges, it can do it to any Tar Heelian. The credibility of the Medical Examiner is essential if anyone is to have confidence in any case... Mangum's or even the case involving Huerta.
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