justice4nifong: Harr's Grievance against D.A. Lorrin Freeman filed with the NC State Bar

Saturday, December 3, 2016

Harr's Grievance against D.A. Lorrin Freeman filed with the NC State Bar

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guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Is there any way we can get you to stop whining? Try doing something for a change.; December 16, 2016 at 10:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 15 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 169 days since the end of June, 237 days since April 23rd, 276 days since the Ides of March, 1,120 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,471 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,360 days.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 17, 2016 at 1:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"Where do you get "gratification" from? I believe, like kenhyderal and Mike Nifong, that Mangum was sexually assaulted... not necessarily raped. However, my focus has always been on the murder case. HER INCARCERATION HAS NOTHING DIRECTLY TO DO WITH THE DUKE LACROSSE CASE(emphasis added)."

From Justice4Nifong, Thursday, November 29, 2012:

"The initial intent of Durham prosecutors Kelly Gauger and Charlene Coggins-Franks was to use the bogus trumped up charges in an attempt to convict Ms. Mangum of first degree murder and have her sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole… not because of Daye’s death, but rather AS PAYBACK FOR HER ROLE IN THE DUKE LACROSSE CASE(emphasis added)"."; December 17, 2016 at 3:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

In the previous post, which one of the two statements by Sidney Harr is false?; December 17, 2016 at 7:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

With respect to Crystal's mental health, who is right: you or her mom?; December 17, 2016 at 8:46 AM
kenhyderal said...: Labeling Crystal as mentally ill was an integral part of a strategy by the Duke Lacrosse Defence to discredit her and to call in to question her accusation of rape. Crystal has had no major mental illness that would detach her from reality but like a large minority of the population she has had some treatable exogenous anxiety and depressive symptoms. As well she did suffer post traumatic stress after her sexual assaults; December 17, 2016 at 9:16 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "In the previous post, which one of the two statements by Sidney Harr is false?"........................ Both are correct the key concept to understand here is indirect vs. direct; December 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Wrong!!!

The comments are inconsistent with each other, just like Crystal multiple inconsistent stories about a rape.

That you can't tell which one is false shows you can not comprehend the truth.

As Crystal was not raped, the murder trial could not have been retaliation for her role, as Sidney Harr calls it, "the victim/accuser" in the Duke Rape Case.; December 17, 2016 at 10:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Labeling Crystal as mentally ill was an integral part of a strategy by the Duke Lacrosse Defence to discredit her and to call in to question her accusation of rape. Crystal has had no major mental illness that would detach her from reality but like a large minority of the population she has had some treatable exogenous anxiety and depressive symptoms. As well she did suffer post traumatic stress after her sexual assaults "

More Graphic evidence that Kenhyderal can not comprehend the truth. Crystal was not raped. Ergo she does not suffer PTSD from a rape. If she suffers from PTSD, it is from her exposure as a false accuser, from her failure to get rich from forcing the white boys to pay her off, or from the failure of her memoir to become a best seller.; December 17, 2016 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

Can you give us an example where any Duke lacrosse defendant, or a member of their legal team, labeled Mangum as mentally ill, or are you just lying again?

Please stop lying. You aren't good at it, and it isn't doing you or Mangum any good.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 17, 2016 at 11:32 AM
kenhyderal said...: The Duke Lacrosse defendants were told by their Defence Team to say absolutely nothing. The Defence Team was clever enough themselves to use proxies in their single-minded campaign to discredit Crystal. Evan's Lawyer Cheshire did some forth long afterwards at the release of Crystal's book and what he said is quite revealing http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3421640/; December 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"The Duke Lacrosse defendants were told by their Defence Team to say absolutely nothing. The Defence Team was clever enough themselves to use proxies in their single-minded campaign to discredit Crystal. Evan's Lawyer Cheshire did some forth long afterwards at the release of Crystal's book and what he said is quite revealing http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3421640/"

What did Mr>Cheshire say in that interview that showed the defence attorneys rtied to trash Crystal's reputation? Nothing.

You again document you can not comprehend the truth.; December 17, 2016 at 3:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 14 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 170 days since the end of June, 238 days since April 23rd, 277 days since the Ides of March, 1,121 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,472 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,359 days.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 18, 2016 at 3:57 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

What is your evidence that the Duke lacrosse defendants and their defense team used proxies to discredit Mangum? Is this just another one of your lies?

What is wrong with falsely accused people discrediting their accuser's false claims with facts and evidence? Why shouldn't innocent people be allowed to defend themselves against false claims?

Try to be truthful in your replies.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 18, 2016 at 4:01 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote, in obvious disregard for the facts: "What did happen is she was on a (weekend of exotic dancing) WRONG, sex shows, (prostitution) WRONG and consensual sexual activity with her driver, her boyfriend and (others) WRONG." Kenhyderal's answers, without attribution to any factual record are in italics.

However, the record shows otherwise, specifically: "Her driver, Jarriel Johnson of Raleigh, gave police a handwritten sworn statement on April 6 that detailed his time with her.

Two days before the party, Johnson said he drove the woman to an hourlong appointment at the Holiday Inn Express in Wakefield. At 11 p.m., Johnson said, he drove her to Platinum, a strip club in Hillsborough. The woman twice asked him to stay another hour, he wrote. At 4:30 a.m., Johnson said, he drove her to an hourlong job at the Millennium Hotel near Duke University.

The next night, Johnson said, he drove her to Raleigh "to find this guy she met." They checked into a hotel near Lane Street, bought Chinese food and waited for the man to call. Johnson said he left at midnight. When he came back the next morning, Johnson said, he waited in his car while the accuser performed for an older man in the hotel room.

Later that day, Johnson said, he was taking the accuser to her parents' house in Durham when she asked him to stop so she could go to the bathroom. "She got out of the car and started walking down Creedmoor Rd.," Johnson wrote. "I pulled my car over and got out to chase her down. She told me to leave her alone."

Johnson said he asked several times before she climbed back in the car. The two reached Johnson's home about 4:30 p.m."

That is the travels of a stripper and prostitute going about her business on a weekend in the triangle.

Walt-in-Durham; December 18, 2016 at 10:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Where is the little man kenhyderal?; December 18, 2016 at 3:53 PM
kenhyderal said...: Escort services and exotic entertainment is not illegal. Prostitution is. Crystal did not engage in prostitution. Her Agency kept records and got paid 1/2 for the service they booked and Crystal provided She gave a complete history of her consensual sexual encounters, one, a week before, the other a day before and the DNA from those two encounters was found. There were no "others". All clients gave names and addresses and in many cases credit cards.; December 18, 2016 at 3:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Escort services and exotic entertainment is not illegal. Prostitution is. (Crystal did not engage in prostitution.) WRONG Her Agency kept records and got paid 1/2 for the service they booked and Crystal provided (She gave a complete history of her consensual sexual encounters) WRONG, one, a week before, the other a day before and the DNA from those two encounters was found. (There were no "others". ) WRONG All clients gave names and addresses and in many cases credit cards.; December 18, 2016 at 4:21 PM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

You are either incredibly simple minded or you are lying again, or you could be a simple minded liar.

Escort and prostitute is the same thing.

Escort agencies connect a prostitute with a john for a fee. They perform only the introduction. The prostitute then meets the john and negotiates the sex acts to be performed directly with him. Escorting is legal because the agency only arranges the initial meeting. They do not arrange for, negotiate or profit directly from the sex acts performed and the sex does not occur on their premises.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 18, 2016 at 6:19 PM
kenhyderal said...: Abe said:Escort agencies connect a prostitute with a john for a fee. They perform only the introduction"......................................................... I'm not sure where or how you got your information Abe but that's not the way it was at Angel's Escort. Some escorts may, after having performed according to what the were sent to do for the Agency fee, freelance and try and solicit. The Agency disavows this behaviour because it puts their legitimate business at risk; especially if the rogue employee is "busted" or "stung". Crystal did not engage in this practice. You, like so many, have bought into the metanarrative promoted by the Duke Lacrosse Defence without any proof that she did. This belief bolstered their defence strategy.; December 18, 2016 at 9:23 PM
Anonymous said...: What about Bunny Hole Entertainment?; December 19, 2016 at 1:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 13 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 171 days since the end of June, 239 days since April 23rd, 278 days since the Ides of March, 1,122 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,473 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,358 days.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 19, 2016 at 2:18 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Abe said:Escort agencies connect a prostitute with a john for a fee. They perform only the introduction"......................................................... I'm not sure where or how you got your information Abe but that's not the way it was at Angel's Escort. Some escorts may, after having performed according to what the were sent to do for the Agency fee, freelance and try and solicit. The Agency disavows this behaviour because it puts their legitimate business at risk; especially if the rogue employee is "busted" or "stung". Crystal did not engage in this practice. You, like so many, have bought into the metanarrative promoted by the Duke Lacrosse Defence without any proof that she did. This belief bolstered their defence strategy."

Irrelevant statement. There was no such metanarrative promoted by the Defense. In the Duke Rape Hoax, the only thing of which there was no evidence was that Crystal had told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.

Again Kenhyderal documents that he can not comprehend the truth.; December 19, 2016 at 2:45 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny,

The other thing that makes escort services legal is that the escort service simply charges for the woman's time. The woman negotiates the specific sex acts to be performed (and the additional compensation to be rendered for them) directly with the customer.

It is common knowledge that Mangum was a prostitute (or escort, if you prefer that term). She performed sex acts engaged in sexual intercourse with men for money.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 19, 2016 at 6:26 AM
kenhyderal said...: Common, perhaps but knowledge, no!; December 19, 2016 at 8:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

In reply to Abe Froman's comment that it was common knowledge that Crystal Mangum was a prostitute:

"Common, perhaps but knowledge, no!"

Kenhyderal yet again documents he can not comprehend the truth.; December 19, 2016 at 11:12 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 12 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 172 days since the end of June, 240 days since April 23rd, 279 days since the Ides of March, 1,123 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,474 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,357 days.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 20, 2016 at 2:40 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

Given that most courts are closed for the Holidays, and you still don't even have a hearing set, let alone anything filed that could possibly provide relief to Mangum, have you told her that she isn't gonna get out this year, and that you screwed up and were lying to her, or are you furthering your abuse and isolation of her by blaming others for your failure?

You really are a textbook case of an abuser.; December 20, 2016 at 11:29 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 11 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 173 days since the end of June, 241 days since April 23rd, 280 days since the Ides of March, 1,124 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,475 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,356 days.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 21, 2016 at 1:02 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

I would like you to do the following for me, if you would be so kind:

1. Requisition one of your finest Duke blue crying towels you have been promising to give to me and Walt when Mangum is exonerated and released. I would prefer one that is not faded or dry rotted.

2. Wrap it up in some nice holiday wrapping paper.

3. Put a bow on it.

4. Stick a little tag on it that says:

TO: Sid
FROM: Abe

5. Put it under your tree. Do not open until Christmas, and no peeking. I want it to be a surprise.

Thank you.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 21, 2016 at 6:06 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

Here is a page from a website for escorts that explain what escorts do:

http://www.howtobecomeanescort.net/start-escorting/is-escorting-for-me/what-do-escorts-do

Maybe in Canada escorting is different, but, as you can see, here in the USA, escorts have sex for money. That is what they do.

Consider yourself enlightened, educated and elucified.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 21, 2016 at 6:24 AM
Anonymous said...: for Sidney Harr and Kenhyderal:

The both of you hace made an issue of, no one has proven Crystal lied about being raped.

Put yourselves in this hypothetical situation: some woman accuses both of you of raping her. There is no evidence or witnesses to corroborate her allegations(just like there was no evidence and there were no witnesses to corroborate Crystal's allegations).

Should the two of you be obligated too prove the woman lied?

Should the prosecutor be obligated to prove the woman told the truth?; December 21, 2016 at 7:18 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: Put yourselves in this hypothetical situation: some woman accuses both of you of raping her. There is no evidence or witnesses to corroborate her allegations(just like there was no evidence and there were no witnesses to corroborate Crystal's allegations"..................... There were witnesses. Lawyered up witnesses who refused to come forward. The determination required a trial. Cooper, under great pressure, decided not to proceed. Cooper did not reveal the extent of the investigation or all the evidence that led him to his unprecedented declaration of innocence.; December 21, 2016 at 9:43 AM
kenhyderal said...: @ Abe: Crystal provided none of the "services" that your admitted prostitute described.; December 21, 2016 at 9:47 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: "There were witnesses. Lawyered up witnesses who refused to come forward."

Name one.; December 21, 2016 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhydera;l:

"Anonymous said: Put yourselves in this hypothetical situation: some woman accuses both of you of raping her. There is no evidence or witnesses to corroborate her allegations(just like there was no evidence and there were no witnesses to corroborate Crystal's allegations"..................... There were witnesses. Lawyered up witnesses who refused to come forward. The determination required a trial. Cooper, under great pressure, decided not to proceed. Cooper did not reveal the extent of the investigation or all the evidence that led him to his unprecedented declaration of innocence."

Kenhyderal, as is his wont, ducks and dodges and again shows he is afraid of the truth.; December 21, 2016 at 10:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"@ Abe: Crystal provided none of the "services" that your admitted prostitute described."

Again Kenhyderal shows he can not comprehend the truth.

So whar ekse is new.; December 21, 2016 at 10:35 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal says he is a friend of Crystal

One would wonder, wht he would spend so much time fantasizing about her being raped.

That is hardly a manifestation of friendship.; December 21, 2016 at 11:15 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

What "services" did Mangum provide? How do you know what services she provided?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 21, 2016 at 11:51 AM
guiowen said...: Abe<
It's easy. Kenny knows Crystal would never sell sex. She would normally go and read stories to bed-ridden customers, take care of children, etc.; December 21, 2016 at 2:56 PM
kenhyderal said...: Abe said: "What "services" did Mangum provide? "................... Those services her Agency asked her to perform.; December 21, 2016 at 4:01 PM
kenhyderal said...: Abe said: "What "services" did Mangum provide? "................... Those services her Agency asked her to perform.; December 21, 2016 at 4:02 PM
guiowen said...: So what services did the agency ask her to perform?; December 21, 2016 at 7:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 10 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 174 days since the end of June, 242 days since April 23rd, 281 days since the Ides of March, 1,125 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,476 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,355 days.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 22, 2016 at 3:47 AM
A Lawyer said...: kenhyderal said: The determination required a trial.

A trial of whom? You yourself have admitted that the three indicted players were misidentified as a result of a flawed photo array. (At least some of them had solid alibi evidence.) So who should have been on trial?; December 22, 2016 at 9:12 AM
kenhyderal said...: Misidentified as rapists but not as sexual assaulters and kidnappers. Some feel Seligman's alibi was contrived. I hope the rapists, non-Player party attenders will eventually be identified and brought to justice. I fear, though, that their DNA was/will not be preserved.; December 22, 2016 at 9:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Misidentified as rapists but not as sexual assaulters and kidnappers. Some feel Seligman's alibi was contrived. I hope the rapists, non-Player party attenders will eventually be identified and brought to justice. I fear, though, that their DNA was/will not be preserved."

Kenhyderal again shows how incapable he is of comprehending the truth.

The only individual who thought Reade Seligman's alibi was contrived was Mike Nifong \who, because he refused to look at the actual alibi evidence, was in no position to determine whether or not the alibi was contrived. DA Nifong certainly did not want Reade Seligman to present his evidence to a judge and have a judge determine whether or not the alibi was contrived, which a decent honorable minister of justice would have done.; December 22, 2016 at 10:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Could this author have been writing about Kenhyderal and/or Sidney Harr?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-convince-someone-when-facts-fail/?WT.mc_id=SA_FB_MB_OP:

"Have you ever noticed that when you present people with facts that are contrary to their deepest held beliefs they always change their minds? Me neither. In fact, people seem to double down on their beliefs in the teeth of overwhelming evidence against them. The reason is related to the worldview perceived to be under threat by the conflicting data."

and:

"This power of belief over evidence is the result of two factors: cognitive dissonance and the backfire effect. In the classic 1956 book When Prophecy Fails, psychologist Leon Festinger and his co-authors described what happened to a UFO cult when the mother ship failed to arrive at the appointed time. Instead of admitting error, “members of the group sought frantically to convince the world of their beliefs,” and they made “a series of desperate attempts to erase their rankling dissonance by making prediction after prediction in the hope that one would come true.” Festinger called this cognitive dissonance, or the uncomfortable tension that comes from holding two conflicting thoughts simultaneously."; December 22, 2016 at 10:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"I hope the rapists, non-Player party attenders will eventually be identified and brought to justice."

What evidence do you have that there were non Lacrosse player party attendees, and that some of them raped Crystal Mangum.; December 22, 2016 at 10:25 AM
kenhyderal said...: Been over this 100 times; DNA found that is unexplained by Crystal's consensual sexual history.; December 22, 2016 at 1:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Been over this 100 times; Crystal lied about her consensual sexual history.; December 22, 2016 at 1:25 PM
kenhyderal said...: @Anonymous 10:22: Reasonable doubt, yes but facts, no. Facts show the 3 charged did not deposit any of the vaginal DNA found that's all; December 22, 2016 at 1:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal(responding to the challenge to provide evidence Crystal was raped and again showing he can not comprehend the truth. Read the post of December 22, 2016 at 10:22 AM).

"Been over this 100 times; DNA found that is unexplained by Crystal's consensual sexual history."

And for 100 times you have been told, something you have admitted, you can not establish that said DNA was deposited at the Lacrosse party on the night of 13/14 March of 2006. It is evidence only of, that Crystal engaged in sex with multiple men.

Now, respond to, rather than duck, the original challenge. What evidence do you have that there were non Lacrosse players at the party, some of whom raped Crystal.; December 22, 2016 at 1:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal, actually what I did was to invite you to open your mouth wide and stick your foot in it. Thank you for living down to my expectations.; December 22, 2016 at 1:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Been over this 100 times; Crystal lied about her consensual sexual history.

She only included the consensual sexual partners whose names she knew.; December 22, 2016 at 2:56 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Crystal lied about her consensual sexual history"......................What proof do you have of this? Only one client was asked for a voluntary DNA sample and he,without a warrant declined, as was his right. He of course denied any sexual contact. No warrants were ever sought and no other client was ever questioned. Important case, but shoddy, incomplete Police work. Instead of doing what needed to be done, because Crystal was a poor, black, woman working as an escort, biased assumptions were made.; December 22, 2016 at 8:17 PM
Anonymous said...: What proof do you have of this?

It is a far more probable explanation of the unmatched male DNA found on and in Crystal. What proof do you have that the DNA was left by mystery rapists?; December 22, 2016 at 8:24 PM
guiowen said...: So not one of Crystal's clients was ever tested? Maybe they just wanted to give Kenny something to talk about. Or perhaps some of Nifong's friends were among them?; December 22, 2016 at 9:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 9 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 175 days since the end of June, 243 days since April 23rd, 282 days since the Ides of March, 1,126 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,477 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,354 days.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 23, 2016 at 2:25 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: "Crystal lied about her consensual sexual history"......................What proof do you have of this? Only one client was asked for a voluntary DNA sample and he,without a warrant declined, as was his right. He of course denied any sexual contact. No warrants were ever sought and no other client was ever questioned. Important case, but shoddy, incomplete Police work. Instead of doing what needed to be done, because Crystal was a poor, black, woman working as an escort, biased assumptions were made."

Another iteration of Kenhyderal dodging and avoiding issues.

The individual who had custody of and knowledge of the DNA evidence was DA Mike Nifong, DA Nifong is the individual responsible for the failure to identify the men who had left their DNA on Crystal, who was responsible for the "shoddy, incomplete Police work". DA Nifong was responsible for not having Crystal interviewed about her allegations until almost 6 months after the alleged crime.

DA Nifong has been described by Kenhyderal as someone working for justice for Crystal.When Kenhyderal notes that some people believed Reade Seligman's alibi was contrived, he is referring to DA Nifong.

DA Nifong never actually believed Crystal had been raped. DA Nifong wanted to use her lies as a means of gathering publicity that would get him elected Durham County DA.

And Kenhyderal again documents he willfully ignores what the truth is.; December 23, 2016 at 2:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

You rant and rave continuously about the shoddy and incomplete police investigation.

Who was responsible for the shoddy police work?

Why did DA Nifong conceal the existence of the DNA evidence?

Nifong was aware of the DNA evidence before he had indicted 3 men whose DNA did not match the DNA found on Crystal. That fact did not become known to anyone but DA Nifong and Brian Meehan until Brian Meehan admitted under oath that he and DA Nifong agreed to conceal the evidence from the indicted Lacrosse platers.; December 23, 2016 at 9:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

You have 8 days to exonerate and free Mangum.

It has been 176 days since the end of June, 244 days since April 23rd, 283 days since the Ides of March, 1,127 days since Mangum was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye and 3,478 days since Mike Nifong was disbarred. Mangum is scheduled to be released from prison in 3,353 days.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; December 24, 2016 at 4:55 AM

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