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Wednesday, December 6, 2017

Crystal Mangum's Habeas Corpus

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kenhyderal said...: Dear Dr. Harr: I am unable to open part 1 Dear Blog Members: Does anyone else have this problem?; December 6, 2017 at 3:26 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Blogger kenhyderal said...
Dear Dr. Harr: I am unable to open part 1 Dear Blog Members: Does anyone else have this problem?

December 6, 2017 at 3:26 PM

Hey, kenhyderal.

Am having difficulty with the flash for some reason. Often, after posting sharlogs I need to make a few adjustments. I am not sure where the problem with the sharlogs is coming from. Don't know if the problem is with the coding or the files themselves. I've been unable to correct it after working on it for several hours. I would imagine that you might not be able to open Part Two either. I will probably give up on trying to fix it tonight, and make a thorough concerted effort first thing in the morning. Sorry about that.; December 6, 2017 at 3:53 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: It appears that Part Two is working. Will continue to concentrate on Part One.

Again, sorry.; December 6, 2017 at 3:57 PM
George Adams said...: And the hits just keep coming.

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December 6, 2017 at 12:20 PM; December 6, 2017 at 4:33 PM
Doogie Howser said...: Brilliant work, Dr. Harr. This is you best sharlog and your finest hour.; December 6, 2017 at 4:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Crywtal's allegations were not believed because the evidence compiled showed overwhelmingly that she did lie when she alleged she had been raped.; December 6, 2017 at 4:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Doogie Howser:

"Brilliant work, Dr. Harr. This is you best sharlog and your finest hour."

That is like telling Adolf Hitler that Auschwitz was his most humane action of his concentration camp program.; December 6, 2017 at 4:57 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

I believe I finally got Part One to work. It may take a little bit longer than usual to load, but it should work. Thanks for your patience.

As you were.; December 6, 2017 at 5:37 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: It seems as though Part One of the sharlog is playing erratically for me... and I have no explanation for that. Will replay it tomorrow and try to determine what the problem is its failure to run smoothly. Spent more than four hours on it already.

As you were.; December 6, 2017 at 5:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney, your latest screed is but another manifestation of your delusional megalomania.; December 6, 2017 at 5:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney, your comparison of Crystal to women who had actually been subjected to sexual abuse, sexual assault, sexual harassment is nothing but blasphemous.

Where is the proof that Crystal was raped. You can claim that Governor Cooper, when he was the Attorney General, sealed the case file is bullshit. It is just another admission you can provide zero proof.; December 6, 2017 at 5:56 PM
Anonymous said...: just watch your manners you bs evil duke troll it g... tinfoil hat hatemonger who harrassess, trolls, slanders, commits hate crimes and then demands to be loved by their 'target' for committing redundant self-trolling in order to troll others and the 'target', pretends to be a retired doc, duke dad, and various other characters at whim, including the tin hat and tinfoil hat for the purposes of trolling itself repeatedly with others' copied/pasted posts especially on the weekends to keep itself amused, treats people like slaves, and commits abusive crazy making tactics by baiting and then blaming the persons you troll for defending themselves or others from your constant duke centered bullying, trolling, and hate crime commissions directed at anyone who does not conform to your bs evil ways and beliefs

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Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

The main question at this point in time is: are you going to put together a medically detailed account of the case and the trial and the evidence, relating all that to the issues of the case that were illegally, wrongfully, and maliciously error prone that were directly related to those details and facts for Ms. Mangum to submit for use in the Appeals trial as a medical expert advocate?

Note that the trolls reposted a lot of comments this weekend that are copied reposted comments not their own (basically most all of them just to troll and be crazies), so no need to reply to any other comment at this point except to answer the question above from my perspective. I need to know if you are or not, and if not, why?

Thank you.; December 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM
Anonymous said...: The abuse and the support of same abuse on this blog from people with obvious conflicts of interest with duke is documentation of serious issues all face when dealing with duke.

The fact that it is done deliberately to try to keep people from discussing serious issues that affects all in conjunction with duke in an attempt to improve the situation and/or hold them accountable for the harm they cause is indicative of the level of abuse and manipulation of all citizens of NC by Duke through all the means of power, influence, and control at their disposal.

It has become a horrendous deadly joke - and duke continues to laugh and bully others into agreeing things are funny when they harm people - because they are duke - and - so - its funny - laugh

yeah - right

they need to be held accountable instead of laughed at or with

enough is enough; December 6, 2017 at 6:35 PM
Anonymous said...: It is especially grevious that the concerns addressed in this case about duke's medical services are not addressed openly and honestly, and immediately, but are indeed, in the hands of one person who duke obviously has a major conflict of interest with and such negative history that ALL are aware of without a lawyer to assist her in her defense, and this is allowed to fester in the minds of all the patients, potential patients, other referring doctors, and concerned family members, etc. that they serve for so long.

How can you trust anyone's service in conjunction with duke if they rule with such fear and threats as are presented quite clearly in this case in the form of questionable conflict of interests, fraudulent reports to make duke's medical malpractice appear nonexistant and placing blame of murder on someone who duke obviously has something against. There is no way that you can.

You cannot continue to abuse people on this blog with your admitted trolling as public service to duke and not expect that to become a legal issue now that Dr. Harr has another case against Duke and duke provides public service to all citizens of NC in the form of medical services.

You troll to annoy and falsly discredit on purpose as you stated yourself is your motivation for causing intentional abuse in the form of public service for duke on this blog in our last discussion.

I suggest you stop.; December 6, 2017 at 6:36 PM
Anonymous said...: In Duke / Durham - since Duke has so much money and provides so many lawyers, doctors, politicians, nurses, leaders, wall street stock brokers, journalists, etc., etc., - by their very nature of who and what they are - the justice system should be more situated to assist those who must face the challenges placed upon them due to the undue influence that Duke has on their life, health, society, legal system, justice system, governmental lobbying and legislative influence backed by unlimited money, etc., etc., etc., - not less (as in having to rely on people with no legal degrees or experience to assist in their defense instead of competent non-conflicted, non-corrupted lawyers in a competent non-conflicted, non-corrupt justice system).

What Duke / Durham has and is now is still as big a joke as everyone has been laughing and arguing about since the lacrosse case, as proven by this case so far.

The fact that the malpractice and autopsy reports were not handled professionally from the start by the DA, judges, duke, the MEs, and the lawyers proves that there exists the very real possibility of people believing Duke would kill Mr. Daye to frame Ms. Mangum for murder, and Duke thinking its chances were better - as always - in chaos, nontruth, confusion, divisiness, and continued harm and threat of harm to many or any.

That is not justice - and neither Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, or anyone else has to stand for it.; December 6, 2017 at 6:38 PM
Anonymous said...: From the standpoint of a citizen witness to this case and this blog coupled with what is known about duke from the news, etc., it is sad to watch such an esteemed and revered for its potential institution of higher learning and research for the betterment of health and social welfare for all people seen in reality as such as you see in this case, this blog and its constant legal struggles because of duke and duke / durham justice system (with cases that are handled in ways that create such unprofessional, unjust, and outrageously corrupt and malicious persecution, harm and results), and other distrubing items in the news that coupled together by connecting dots and seeing what they really do and how they really do it ... really makes a person stop and wonder ... are they different in anything else that they do?; December 6, 2017 at 6:39 PM
Anonymous said...: I think the reason everyone hates duke is because they treat everyone and everything like a football to be thrown around at whim and desire as long as the throw is designed to win the game, and no one or thing gets in the way of the throw, and if it does, they call foul, and then pick the ball up and throw it again without any regard to the rules or the game, just that they win - or appear to. So if the win is to create chaos, it matters less the rules or the game to them - and in their winning scheme - hopefully even less to the football or whoever participates in or watches the game.; December 6, 2017 at 6:39 PM
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SPIN UBES SPIN; December 6, 2017 at 6:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney, 'disk' = hard drive and 'disc' = CD; December 6, 2017 at 7:59 PM
Anonymous said...: I see Crybully Tinfoil is here again! Hello, CryBully!; December 6, 2017 at 9:36 PM
guiowen said...: CryBully cry!
You make Ken Edwards sigh:
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So CryBully cry!; December 6, 2017 at 9:37 PM
Anonymous said...: The non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo is back again manifesting its limited vocabulary and its total lack of intellectual capacity.; December 7, 2017 at 1:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

With regard to the blasphemy you promulgate, likening Crystal to real victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment:

You cited an incident of a woman who claimed she had been raped and then did not come forward because of what happened to Crystal, that she thought no one would believe her.

This is another attempt on your part to bullshit your way around and through facts which do not mesh with your guilt presumption.

When the Duke Rape hoax became news. no one believed the Lacrosse players were innocent, not the press, not the pot bangers, not the gangsters of the group of 88, certainly not William Barber and the NC NAACP, no one. People disbelieved Crystal when the evidence came out, no physical findings indicating she had been raped, the DNA found on her person did not match the DNA of anyone who attended the party.

SO, like your wacko-lyte Kemny, you manifest the attributes of a lynch mobster and a naxzi skin head. You have a lot in common with the people who tried and convicted the Scottsboro boys.

And that is even more heinous than your Trumpian characteristics.; December 7, 2017 at 1:22 AM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: IT LOOKS LIKE UBES IS ABOUT TO LAPSE INTO ANOTHER ONE OF HIS NOTORIOUS LIESTOPPER CRANK MELTDOWNS

SPIN UBES SPIN

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QUACK; December 7, 2017 at 3:16 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Apologies for problems with Part One. I am going to expend much time trying to troubleshoot the problem this morning. In Part Two there seems to be an unexplained delay during the opening... It appears to continue after 15-20 seconds. Will look into that as well.

Once I get these sharlogs in working order I will address the comments.; December 7, 2017 at 4:20 AM
Anonymous said...: Again the non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo shows it knows nothing.; December 7, 2017 at 4:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

With regard to your blasphemy equating Crystal to the women who came forth with legitimate claims of sexual abuse and harassment, consider this:

You characterize the Lacrosse team as a group of beer guzzling louts and it is obvious you believe they did not respect women.

After Crystal's false allegations became news, public opinion was overwhelmingly anti Lacrosse. Yet, no other women came forth to accuse them of inappropriate conduct towards women. The women's Lacrosse team expressed support for them. Some women asked, why would they have raped anyone since they could have had any woman they wanted, that these women would have willingly responded to them.; December 7, 2017 at 4:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"Once I get these sharlogs in working order I will address the comments."

You are admitting you are having a great deal of difficulty coming up with the bullshit you need to plow your way through and around facts which do not mesh with your racist guilt presumption.; December 7, 2017 at 4:35 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: After uploading Part One a second time, it appears to run normally. Same with Part Two. Let me know if you are having any difficulty accessing the sharlogs.

In checking out the swf files on both Parts One and Two, they seemed to work normally. Could find no problem with the code either.

Sorry for the inconvenience.; December 7, 2017 at 4:58 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr:

With regard to your blasphemy equating Crystal to the women who came forth with legitimate claims of sexual abuse and harassment, consider this:

You characterize the Lacrosse team as a group of beer guzzling louts and it is obvious you believe they did not respect women.

After Crystal's false allegations became news, public opinion was overwhelmingly anti Lacrosse. Yet, no other women came forth to accuse them of inappropriate conduct towards women. The women's Lacrosse team expressed support for them. Some women asked, why would they have raped anyone since they could have had any woman they wanted, that these women would have willingly responded to them.

December 7, 2017 at 4:32 AM

Hah! Spoken like a true Neanderthal chauvinist pig. It was well known that at that time the Duke lacrosse team had a reputation as boorish condescending bullies with attitudes of entitlement and privilege that bordered on being misogynistic. The event on March 13, 2006 was a drunken bacchanal... so it's not surprising that the alleged sexual assault took place.

It's also no surprise that Duke women lacrosse players would be supportive of their male counterparts as they are smart enough to know that any criticism in the volatile case could put their education at the prestigious university in severe jeopardy.

In addition, keep in mind that sexual assault is not so much about receiving pleasurable gratification as it is in exerting power and dominance over another.; December 7, 2017 at 5:12 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr:

With regard to the blasphemy you promulgate, likening Crystal to real victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment:

You cited an incident of a woman who claimed she had been raped and then did not come forward because of what happened to Crystal, that she thought no one would believe her.

This is another attempt on your part to bullshit your way around and through facts which do not mesh with your guilt presumption.

When the Duke Rape hoax became news. no one believed the Lacrosse players were innocent, not the press, not the pot bangers, not the gangsters of the group of 88, certainly not William Barber and the NC NAACP, no one. People disbelieved Crystal when the evidence came out, no physical findings indicating she had been raped, the DNA found on her person did not match the DNA of anyone who attended the party.

SO, like your wacko-lyte Kemny, you manifest the attributes of a lynch mobster and a naxzi skin head. You have a lot in common with the people who tried and convicted the Scottsboro boys.

And that is even more heinous than your Trumpian characteristics.

December 7, 2017 at 1:22 AM

Hey, Anony.

Regarding the female sexual assault victim of which I referenced, I have spoken with her on the phone and communicated with her by e-mail. When this brave individual is ready to come forth with her story, you will hear about it.

Regarding the alleged Duke Lacrosse sex assault against Mangum, she has always maintained that she was victimized per her account. The fact is that the State (Cooper) could not and did not present evidence to disprove her allegations. Lack of sperm or DNA does not indicate that a sexual assault did not take place.

Consider yourself elucidated.; December 7, 2017 at 5:21 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney, 'disk' = hard drive and 'disc' = CD

December 6, 2017 at 7:59 PM

Anony, thank you for the distinction. I never knew that there was a differentiation between the two spellings. Old habits are hard to break, but I will try to use the appropriate spelling in the future.

Consider me enlightened.; December 7, 2017 at 5:25 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think the reason everyone hates duke is because they treat everyone and everything like a football to be thrown around at whim and desire as long as the throw is designed to win the game, and no one or thing gets in the way of the throw, and if it does, they call foul, and then pick the ball up and throw it again without any regard to the rules or the game, just that they win - or appear to. So if the win is to create chaos, it matters less the rules or the game to them - and in their winning scheme - hopefully even less to the football or whoever participates in or watches the game.

December 6, 2017 at 6:39 PM

My experiences with Duke University confirms your observations.; December 7, 2017 at 5:29 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
In Duke / Durham - since Duke has so much money and provides so many lawyers, doctors, politicians, nurses, leaders, wall street stock brokers, journalists, etc., etc., - by their very nature of who and what they are - the justice system should be more situated to assist those who must face the challenges placed upon them due to the undue influence that Duke has on their life, health, society, legal system, justice system, governmental lobbying and legislative influence backed by unlimited money, etc., etc., etc., - not less (as in having to rely on people with no legal degrees or experience to assist in their defense instead of competent non-conflicted, non-corrupted lawyers in a competent non-conflicted, non-corrupt justice system).

What Duke / Durham has and is now is still as big a joke as everyone has been laughing and arguing about since the lacrosse case, as proven by this case so far.

The fact that the malpractice and autopsy reports were not handled professionally from the start by the DA, judges, duke, the MEs, and the lawyers proves that there exists the very real possibility of people believing Duke would kill Mr. Daye to frame Ms. Mangum for murder, and Duke thinking its chances were better - as always - in chaos, nontruth, confusion, divisiness, and continued harm and threat of harm to many or any.

That is not justice - and neither Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, or anyone else has to stand for it.

December 6, 2017 at 6:38 PM

Thank you for your insightful comment.

As far as legal representation goes, the trend is alarming for poor and disenfranchised regarding prospects for receiving good-faith representation against the powerful... Duke, the State, etc. This situation was made more critical by the UNC-CH Law School's Julius Chambers Civil Litigation program to legally assist the needy being dissolved.

Unfortunately, I believe it is necessary for poor individuals to represent themselves under current circumstances when fighting Goliath corporations, entities, and individuals... because legal fees will drain them before the case has a chance to be heard.; December 7, 2017 at 5:40 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

The main question at this point in time is: are you going to put together a medically detailed account of the case and the trial and the evidence, relating all that to the issues of the case that were illegally, wrongfully, and maliciously error prone that were directly related to those details and facts for Ms. Mangum to submit for use in the Appeals trial as a medical expert advocate?

Note that the trolls reposted a lot of comments this weekend that are copied reposted comments not their own (basically most all of them just to troll and be crazies), so no need to reply to any other comment at this point except to answer the question above from my perspective. I need to know if you are or not, and if not, why?

Thank you.

December 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM

Hey, Anony.

After Judge Biggs quickly denied Mangum's Habeas Corpus Petition, Crystal timely filed an appeal with the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, VA. We are awaiting action on it now. In the Habeas Petition there were 43 pieces of exhibits presented... most of them related to issues of medical discrepancies and contradictions. Throughout Mangum's legal process I have tried to assist with the presentation of medical facts to support the true cause of death issue as being directly related to Duke University Hospital's malpractice action with respect to the esophageal intubation. Whether or not I have been successful in presenting the important medical issues related to this case can be debated, but it has always been my intention.; December 7, 2017 at 5:53 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney, your comparison of Crystal to women who had actually been subjected to sexual abuse, sexual assault, sexual harassment is nothing but blasphemous.

Where is the proof that Crystal was raped. You can claim that Governor Cooper, when he was the Attorney General, sealed the case file is bullshit. It is just another admission you can provide zero proof.

December 6, 2017 at 5:56 PM

I don't wish to get into semantics, but I believe you are using a more restricted definition (which might be legally adopted by the state) that requires a male organ to penetrate the female. That is not the same definition used by Ms. Mangum or, initially, D.A. Mike Nifong. Keep in mind that Nifong did dismiss the rape charges, but not the sexual assault charges. Just because there was no male DNA deposited on or in a victim does not mean that a rape did not occur. Specifically, it doesn't rule out sexual assault.

You seem to hold Crystal Mangum to a higher standard than the women who made allegations of sexual misconduct by those in power (including President Trump who admitted to it on a hot mic) related to the recent #Me too movement. You don't seem to require proof before believing them.

Keep in mind that the assault on Mangum took place at the residence of Duke lacrosse players during a beer-guzzling/stripper-ogling party which they hosted. Mangum has always maintained that she was telling the truth about being sexually assaulted and Roy Cooper has never provided evidence to disprove her claims.

In Mangum's murder case, to the contrary, I have presented proof from prosecution discovery that the medical examiner lied on his autopsy report and gave perjured testimony at trial. I can also prove that a Durham police officer lied under oath. But Roy Cooper, as attorney general and as governor, doesn't want to hear about it because he can't handle the truth.

May my words leave you enlightened.; December 7, 2017 at 6:16 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney Harr:

With regard to your blasphemy equating Crystal to the women who came forth with legitimate claims of sexual abuse and harassment, consider this:

You characterize the Lacrosse team as a group of beer guzzling louts and it is obvious you believe they did not respect women.

After Crystal's false allegations became news, public opinion was overwhelmingly anti Lacrosse. Yet, no other women came forth to accuse them of inappropriate conduct towards women. The women's Lacrosse team expressed support for them. Some women asked, why would they have raped anyone since they could have had any woman they wanted, that these women would have willingly responded to them.

December 7, 2017 at 4:32 AM

Hah! Spoken like a true Neanderthal chauvinist pig. It was well known that at that time the Duke lacrosse team had a reputation as boorish condescending bullies with attitudes of entitlement and privilege that bordered on being misogynistic. The event on March 13, 2006 was a drunken bacchanal... so it's not surprising that the alleged sexual assault took place."

Bullshit, more bullshit by which you hope to get around and through facts which do not mesh with your guilt presuming racism. You have no first hand evidence of that, just lie you have no evidence Crystl ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped. The report prepared by the fellow you claim as a friend, Professor James Coleman, documented your malicious belief is not true.

"It's also no surprise that Duke women lacrosse players would be supportive of their male counterparts as they are smart enough to know that any criticism in the volatile case could put their education at the prestigious university in severe jeopardy."

Another attempt by you to bullshit your way around and through facts which do not mesh with your guilt presuming racism.

"In addition, keep in mind that sexual assault is not so much about receiving pleasurable gratification as it is in exerting power and dominance over another."

Which is another irrelevant piece of Harrian bullshit. There is no evidence Crystal was ever subjected to any sexual assault on the night of 13/14 March 2006. If anything, the Women's Lacrosse team showed true Courage, which your boy Nifong ever did, considering the throw them under the bus attitude of Duke towards the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players.; December 7, 2017 at 7:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"Anonymous Anonymous said...
I think the reason everyone hates duke is because they treat everyone and everything like a football to be thrown around at whim and desire as long as the throw is designed to win the game, and no one or thing gets in the way of the throw, and if it does, they call foul, and then pick the ball up and throw it again without any regard to the rules or the game, just that they win - or appear to. So if the win is to create chaos, it matters less the rules or the game to them - and in their winning scheme - hopefully even less to the football or whoever participates in or watches the game.

December 6, 2017 at 6:39 PM

My experiences with Duke University confirms your observations."

Your experience with Duke confirms only that you like to file frivolous non meritorious lawsuits, and that you are a delusional megalomaniac.; December 7, 2017 at 8:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"'Anonymous Anonymous said...
In Duke / Durham - since Duke has so much money and provides so many lawyers, doctors, politicians, nurses, leaders, wall street stock brokers, journalists, etc., etc., - by their very nature of who and what they are - the justice system should be more situated to assist those who must face the challenges placed upon them due to the undue influence that Duke has on their life, health, society, legal system, justice system, governmental lobbying and legislative influence backed by unlimited money, etc., etc., etc., - not less (as in having to rely on people with no legal degrees or experience to assist in their defense instead of competent non-conflicted, non-corrupted lawyers in a competent non-conflicted, non-corrupt justice system).

What Duke / Durham has and is now is still as big a joke as everyone has been laughing and arguing about since the lacrosse case, as proven by this case so far.

The fact that the malpractice and autopsy reports were not handled professionally from the start by the DA, judges, duke, the MEs, and the lawyers proves that there exists the very real possibility of people believing Duke would kill Mr. Daye to frame Ms. Mangum for murder, and Duke thinking its chances were better - as always - in chaos, nontruth, confusion, divisiness, and continued harm and threat of harm to many or any.

That is not justice - and neither Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, or anyone else has to stand for it.

December 6, 2017 at 6:38 PM'

Thank you for your insightful comment.

As far as legal representation goes, the trend is alarming for poor and disenfranchised regarding prospects for receiving good-faith representation against the powerful... Duke, the State, etc. This situation was made more critical by the UNC-CH Law School's Julius Chambers Civil Litigation program to legally assist the needy being dissolved.

Unfortunately, I believe it is necessary for poor individuals to represent themselves under current circumstances when fighting Goliath corporations, entities, and individuals... because legal fees will drain them before the case has a chance to be heard."

Sidney, this insightful comment stinks of something you put on your blog anonymously so you could respong. More Harrian bullshit. What else is new.; December 7, 2017 at 8:03 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Part 1:

"'Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney, your comparison of Crystal to women who had actually been subjected to sexual abuse, sexual assault, sexual harassment is nothing but blasphemous.

Where is the proof that Crystal was raped. You can claim that Governor Cooper, when he was the Attorney General, sealed the case file is bullshit. It is just another admission you can provide zero proof.

December 6, 2017 at 5:56 PM'

"I don't wish to get into semantics, but I believe you are using a more restricted definition (which might be legally adopted by the state) that requires a male organ to penetrate the female. That is not the same definition used by Ms. Mangum or, initially, D.A. Mike Nifong. Keep in mind that Nifong did dismiss the rape charges, but not the sexual assault charges. Just because there was no male DNA deposited on or in a victim does not mean that a rape did not occur. Specifically, it doesn't rule out sexual assault."

More Bullshit. Nifong had the Innocent Lacrosse players indicted for and charged with rape. Read Crystal's statement to the police. She claimed that multiple members of the Lacrosse team, penetrated her, ejaculated on her thereby depositing their DNA on her person. The sexual assault alleged by Crystal WAS a rape. The DNA found on Crystal did not match the DNA of any member of the Lacrosse team. That definitively ruled out any member of the Lacrosse team as a perpetrator of the alleged sexual assault. The failure to detect alkaline phosphatase on the rape kit materials definitively rules out the possibility that the DNA deposited on Crystal was deposited at the party. You have just documented you are legally and medically incompetent.; December 7, 2017 at 8:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Part 2:

"You seem to hold Crystal Mangum to a higher standard than the women who made allegations of sexual misconduct by those in power (including President Trump who admitted to it on a hot mic) related to the recent #Me too movement. You don't seem to require proof before believing them."

I am not holding any one to any higher standard. The standard to establish the occurrence of a crime is to prove that the complaining witness told the truth. It is called proof beyond a reasonable doubt. First the existence of a crime must be established. Then the guilt of the accused has to be established beyond a reasonable doubt. There was zero evidence any crime happened at the Lacrosse party.

"Keep in mind that the assault on Mangum took place at the residence of Duke lacrosse players during a beer-guzzling/stripper-ogling party which they hosted."

There was no beer guzzling, out of control party at the Lacrosse house. There was little or no stripper ogling as the hired performers did little performing. Crystal was too impaired from ingesting 44 ounces of beer on top of flexeril to perform. And again, you have presented zero evidence that any sexual assault ever happened. The evidence generated after Crystal alleged a rape in which the perpetrators DNA had been left on her person, confirmed that no such rape ever happened.

"Mangum has always maintained that she was telling the truth about being sexually assaulted and Roy Cooper has never provided evidence to disprove her claims."

Again you show how incompetent you are. Then AG Cooper's job was not to prove Crystal had lied. As a prosecutor he had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Crystal told the truth. There was zero evidence she ever told the truth. That continues to maintain she had been assaulted means she continues to fail to tell the truth. In other words, she continues to lie.

"In Mangum's murder case, to the contrary, I have presented proof from prosecution discovery that the medical examiner lied on his autopsy report and gave perjured testimony at trial. I can also prove that a Durham police officer lied under oath. But Roy Cooper, as attorney general and as governor, doesn't want to hear about it because he can't handle the truth."

No you haven't. You are a total legal and medical incompetent who is incapable of determining the truth in such a case.

"May my words leave you enlightened."

Delusional wishful thinking on the part of a delusional megalomaniac.; December 7, 2017 at 8:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Hzrr:

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Anonymous Anonymous said...
In Duke / Durham - since Duke has so much money and provides so many lawyers, doctors, politicians, nurses, leaders, wall street stock brokers, journalists, etc., etc., - by their very nature of who and what they are - the justice system should be more situated to assist those who must face the challenges placed upon them due to the undue influence that Duke has on their life, health, society, legal system, justice system, governmental lobbying and legislative influence backed by unlimited money, etc., etc., etc., - not less (as in having to rely on people with no legal degrees or experience to assist in their defense instead of competent non-conflicted, non-corrupted lawyers in a competent non-conflicted, non-corrupt justice system).

What Duke / Durham has and is now is still as big a joke as everyone has been laughing and arguing about since the lacrosse case, as proven by this case so far.

The fact that the malpractice and autopsy reports were not handled professionally from the start by the DA, judges, duke, the MEs, and the lawyers proves that there exists the very real possibility of people believing Duke would kill Mr. Daye to frame Ms. Mangum for murder, and Duke thinking its chances were better - as always - in chaos, nontruth, confusion, divisiness, and continued harm and threat of harm to many or any.

That is not justice - and neither Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, or anyone else has to stand for it.

December 6, 2017 at 6:38 PM

Thank you for your insightful comment.

As far as legal representation goes, the trend is alarming for poor and disenfranchised regarding prospects for receiving good-faith representation against the powerful... Duke, the State, etc. This situation was made more critical by the UNC-CH Law School's Julius Chambers Civil Litigation program to legally assist the needy being dissolved.

Unfortunately, I believe it is necessary for poor individuals to represent themselves under current circumstances when fighting Goliath corporations, entities, and individuals... because legal fees will drain them before the case has a chance to be heard."

Too bad that you can not offer them any relief from that situation. You are a delusional megalomaniac who has zero comprehension of what is the law, as your legal endeavors have so adequately documented.; December 7, 2017 at 8:27 AM
Anonymous said...: [Verse 1]
And this I know
His teeth as white as snow
What a gas it was to see him
Walk her every day
Into a shady place
With her lips she said
She said

[Chorus]
Hey Paul, Hey Paul, Hey Paul, let's have a ball
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Gigantic, gigantic, gigantic
A big, big love
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[Verse 2]
Lovely legs, they're a...
What a big black mess
What a hunk of love
He'd walk her every day into a shady place
He's like the dark, but I'd want him

[Chorus]
Hey Paul, Hey Paul, Hey Paul, let's have a ball
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Gigantic, gigantic, gigantic
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A big big love
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A big big love; December 7, 2017 at 8:35 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"'Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

The main question at this point in time is: are you going to put together a medically detailed account of the case and the trial and the evidence, relating all that to the issues of the case that were illegally, wrongfully, and maliciously error prone that were directly related to those details and facts for Ms. Mangum to submit for use in the Appeals trial as a medical expert advocate?

Note that the trolls reposted a lot of comments this weekend that are copied reposted comments not their own (basically most all of them just to troll and be crazies), so no need to reply to any other comment at this point except to answer the question above from my perspective. I need to know if you are or not, and if not, why?

Thank you.

December 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM'

"Hey, Anony.

After Judge Biggs quickly denied Mangum's Habeas Corpus Petition, Crystal timely filed an appeal with the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, VA. We are awaiting action on it now. In the Habeas Petition there were 43 pieces of exhibits presented... most of them related to issues of medical discrepancies and contradictions."

As a medical school graduate who was never accepted into residency training and who never achieved medical specialty board certification and who spent a truncated post medical school career filing and losing frivolous non meritorious lawsuits, you are incapable of identifying "medical discrepancies and contradictions" as your statements of the risk of intra abdominal infection in a patient who had suffered a penetrating abdominal wound which lacerated his colon so amply demonstrates.

"Throughout Mangum's legal process I have tried to assist with the presentation of medical facts to support the true cause of death issue"

You are incapable of understanding medial facts.

"as being directly related to Duke University Hospital's malpractice action with respect to the esophageal intubation."

Said esphageal intubation did not rise to the level of malpractice. Even if it did it would not have relieved Crystal of criminal liability for Reginald Daye's murder. If there had been malpractice, Crystal's murder conviction would not have relieved Duke from civil liability.

"Whether or not I have been successful in presenting the important medical issues related to this case can be debated, but it has always been my intention."

You are incapable of knowing what important medical issues are.; December 7, 2017 at 8:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

With regard to Crystal being held to a higher standard, that is more bullshit.

Regarding other women who recently made allegations of sexual misconduct against men, even against President Trump whom I dislike. The individual who asserts has the obligation to prove. If Crystal were to have filed a civil suit, it would have been her obligation to prove her allegations. When you say no one ever proved Crystal had lied, you are saying her allegations should have been taken at face value, that those she had accused should have been convicted solely because she had accused them.

I wonder if you ever read what I posted recently about the Scottsboro Boys. They were presumed guilty solely on the basis of the word of the two white women who accused them.

You have made yourself the moral equivalent of the people who railroaded the Scottsboro Boys. Congratulations.; December 7, 2017 at 9:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

With regard to no one ever proved Crystal lied:

There is zero evidence she ever told the truth. Meanwhile there IS evidence she did lie.

I again refer you to Crystl's statement to the police in which she alleged she had been gang raped by members of the Lacrosse team, that multiple team members penetrated her and deposited their DNA on her-that was the sexual assault she alleged. The DNA found on Crystal did not match the DNA of the men she had accused. The only way that could have happened was that Crystal lied. Zero evidence she ever told the truth, evidence she did lie. That establishes Crystal as a liar.; December 7, 2017 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Rock the Boat
The Hues Corporation

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Said I'd like to know where, you got the notion
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, don't tip the boat over
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Your touch has thrilled me like the rush of the wind
And your arms have held me safe from a rolling sea
There's always been a quiet place to harbor you and me
Our love is like a ship on the ocean
We've been sailing with a cargo full of love and devotion
So I'd like to know where, you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where, you got the notion
, don't rock the boat baby
(Rock the boat), don't tip the boat over
(Rock the boat), don't rock the boat baby
(Rock the boat)
Up to now we sailed through every storm
And I've always had your tender lips to keep me warm
Oh, I need to have the strength that flows from you
Don't let me drift away my dear, when love can see me through
(Our love is like a ship on the ocean)
We've been sailing with a cargo full of love and devotion
So I'd like to know where, you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where, you got the notion
So I'd like to know where, you got the notion
Said I'd like to know where, you got the notion
(To rock the boat), don't rock the boat baby
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(Rock the boat); December 7, 2017 at 4:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Knock Three Times
Tony Orlando, Tony Orlando and Dawn

Hey girl what ya doin' down there
Dancin' alone every night while I live right above you?
I can hear your music playin'
I can feel your body swayin'
One floor below me you don't even know me
I love you
Oh, my darling
Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me
Twice on the pipe if the answer is no
Oh, my sweetness
Means you'll meet me in the hallway
Mmm, twice on the pipe means you ain't gonna show
If you look out your window tonight
Pull in the string with the note that's attached to my heart
Read how many times I saw you
How in my silence I adored you
And only in my dreams did that wall between us come apart
Oh, my darling
Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me
Twice on the pipe if the answer is no
Oh, my sweetness
Means you'll meet me in the hallway
Twice on the pipe means you ain't gonna show
Read how many times I saw you
How in my silence I adored you
And only in my dreams did that wall between us come apart
Oh, my darling
Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me
Twice on the pipe if the answer is no
Oh, my sweetness
Means you'll meet me in the hallway
Mmm, twice on the pipe means you ain't gonna show; December 7, 2017 at 4:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

You spout ff repeatedly about the irrelevancy that no one ever proved Crystal lied about being raped which, I say again, is totally irrrelevant.

Prove Crystal told the truth.

To prove she had been raped, Nifong had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Crystal had told the truth.; December 8, 2017 at 3:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Where is the not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo?; December 8, 2017 at 3:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 8, 2017 at 3:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 2:12 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 9, 2017 at 6:08 AM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: WHAT????

COULD IT BE????

IS UBES HAVING ANOTHER ONE OF HIS NOTORIOUS LIESTOPPER CRANK MELTDOWNS????; December 9, 2017 at 6:15 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Prove that Crystal told the truth when she allrged she had been raped. The not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo is giving you no help.; December 9, 2017 at 7:47 AM
Crystal Gail Mangum said...: I would like to add that Adam ejaculated in my mouth and I spit it out onto the floor, part of it fell onto the floor after he pulled his penis out.

April 6, 2006; December 9, 2017 at 9:40 AM
A Lawyer said...: Your letter to Judge Garrett is based on what PacerMonitor shows, not what Pacer shows. As has often been pointed out to you, PacerMonitor is a private, unofficial source that is often incomplete. Your letter also assumes that the judge didn't work on the case over the weekend. Most federal judges-- and certainly their law clerks-- do indeed often work over the weekend.

So, once again, you are presenting a baseless conspiracy theory, which just makes you look like a crank.; December 9, 2017 at 1:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Chewing on a piece of grass
Walking down the road
Tell me, how long you gonna stay here Joe?
Some people say this town don't look
Good in snow
You don't care, I know

Ventura Highway in the sunshine
Where the days are longer
The nights are stronger
Than moonshine
You're gonna go I know

'Cause the free wind is blowin' through
Your hair
And the days surround your daylight
There
Seasons crying no despair
Alligator lizards in the air

Wishin' on a falling star
Watchin' for the early train
Sorry boy, but I've been hit by
Purple rain
Aw, come on Joe, you can always
Change your name
Thanks a lot son, just the same

Ventura Highway
In the sunshine
Where the days are longer
The nights are stronger
Than moonshine
You're gonna go I know

'Cause the free wind is blowin' through
Your hair
And the days surround you daylight
There
Seasons crying no despair
Alligator lizards in the air; December 9, 2017 at 5:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey Sidney:

How about proving Crystal tod the truth when she alleged she was raped.

You aren't going to get any help from your wacdo-lyte Kenhyderal

Or from the not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo.; December 10, 2017 at 3:20 AM
Ubes Supporter said...: I’m proud to call Ubes my friend.; December 10, 2017 at 6:13 AM
Doogie Howser said...: Who is Ubes?; December 10, 2017 at 6:28 AM
Anonymous said...: ssUbes doesn't have any friends. Nobody likes him.

Gollum; December 10, 2017 at 8:21 AM
Ubes Supporter said...: Stop spreading these falsehoods.; December 10, 2017 at 9:02 AM
Fake kenhyderal said...: Get serious all you sophomoric posters. This is no place to come to make mischief. What is your purpose here? Mockery? Whoever mocks the poor insults his Maker-Proverbs 17:5 Crystal is a poor single Mother of three who is imprisoned.; December 10, 2017 at 11:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Ubes has no Ubes supporterses.

Nobody likes Ubes

Gollum; December 10, 2017 at 4:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Ubes,

What do you have to say about this?; December 10, 2017 at 7:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Ubes has nothings to says about that.

Ubes has no friendses.

ubes has no supporterses. Nobody likes ubes.

Gollum.; December 11, 2017 at 1:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Ubes has no friendses.

Nobody likes ubes.

Gollum; December 11, 2017 at 6:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr"

Prove Crystal told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.

So far you haven't even tried.; December 11, 2017 at 8:28 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney will always say something happened to Mangum at the lacrosse house. Since no trial happened then Sidney feels that justice was not done. And even if a trial had happened and the lacrosse players had be found innocent, Sidney would have still disputed the verdict. Nifong feels the same way and nothing can change this. But Governor Cooper and his team when he was Attorney General did make the decision that they were innocent and this is what society has decided. Sidney and Mangum have not attempted any kind of suit to re-open the case or a civil suit for damages. This again re-enforces the Cooper decision.

In terms of Mangum and the murder convict, this gives Sidney the chance to file suit on her behalf for as long as he can. No matter what the real legal issues are, Sidney has to always be in litigation on something. So, Mangum to Sidney is a gift that keeps on giving.

In other words, Sidney will never respond to any request to prove Mangum told the truth.; December 11, 2017 at 9:32 AM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "Prove Crystal told the truth when she alleged she had been raped"......................... Perjury is a crime. Making a false accusation is a crime. This case, as was recommended by the Grand Jury, should have gone to Trial. Crystal was willing to testify under Oath. I wonder, had there been a Trial, if the accused would have availed themselves of their Right Not to Testify?.; December 11, 2017 at 9:39 AM
guiowen said...: Kenny wonders a lot.; December 11, 2017 at 10:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny Hyderal claims: Making a false accusation is a crime.

No. In order to be a crime, the false accusation must be deliberate.

We know with certainty that Crystal's specific accusation contained in her identifications and written statement was false. She alleged that three specific individuals had attacked her in a specific way and had ejaculated in her vagina, in her anus and in her mouth. The failure in a SANE examination conducted shortly after the alleged attack to find the DNA of the accused individuals in and on Crystal proved with certainty that Crystal's specific accusations were false.

Nifong filed charges based on identifications he knew were tainted and on a specific allegation he knew with certainty was false. Yet he did not insist that the Durham Police conduct a bona fide investigation.

Kenny, before you attempt to claim that Crystal's specific accusation was not false, and that she was raped by three mystery rapists at the party, I call your attention to Wikipedia's discussion of false accusations:

Accusations that are determined to be false based on corroborating evidence can be divided into three categories:

An allegation that is completely false in that the events that were alleged did not occur;
An allegation that describes events that did occur, but were perpetrated by an individual who is not accused, and in which the accused person is innocent.
An allegation that is partially true and partially false, in that it mixes descriptions of events that actually happened with other events that did not occur.

A false allegation can occur as the result of intentional lying on the part of the accuser; or unintentionally, due to a confabulation, either arising spontaneously due to mental illness or resulting from deliberate or accidental suggestive questioning, or faulty interviewing techniques.

Kenny, the specific accusation Crystal made in her identifications and written statement has been proven to be false. I agree that it has not been proven that Crystal lied (although she certainly had the motive to do so). Cooper suggested mental illness, and until Crystal arranges for the release of her mental illness file, I am willing to accept Cooper's determination.; December 11, 2017 at 10:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyceral:

"'Dr. Anonymous said: "Prove Crystal told the truth when she alleged she had been raped'........................."

Now we come to another round of Kenny trying to bullshit his way around and throfacts which do not mesh with his racist guilt presumption.

"Perjury is a crime. Making a false accusation is a crime."

As then AG Cooper so noted. Crystal got a pass on that one. There is evicence Crystal did lie about being raped. It is not at all inconceivable she would have lied on the stand if there had been a trial. However, she would have to undergo cross examination, and when she was convicted of murdering Reginald Daye she was cross examined and the Jury did not believe her, and it was because she was not credible.

"This case, as was recommended by the Grand Jury, should have gone to Trial."

No it should not have. What the Grand Jury saw was only what Nifong wanted them to see. They were not informed that Crystal's identification of the three innocent Lacrosse players was not reliable(certainty does not equal reliability, considering Crystal said with 100% certainty that Reade Seligman and Colin FInerty were assailants, and both men could demonstrate with 100% percent certainty they had not been at the alleged scene of the alleged crime when it allegedly happened. Crystal also said, with 100 percent certainty that Brad Ross had been at the party. He had not attended the party. The Grand Jury never heard from Nifong that the DNA recovered from Crystal's person did not match the DNA of the three Nifong wanted indicted. There was zero evidence to establish a crime had happened. Grand Jury or no, Nifong was ethically and legally not to take the case to a Grand Jury or to take the case to trial. It may not have rose to the level of perjury bud Nifong did not present any truth

"Crystal was willing to testify under Oath."

Meaning she was willing to lie under oath, just like she lied about being raped.

"I wonder, had there been a Trial, if the accused would have availed themselves of their Right Not to Testify?."

That you wonder about that says yet again you are but a guilt presuming racist. In our system, a criminal defendant is protected against incriminating him/her self. Crystal was protected from incriminating herself. If Crystal had declined to testify and then if someone had said that to the Jury, it would have resulted a mistrial. But you imply that if the innocent defendants had gone to trial, if they had declined to testify, that should have been considered an indication of guilt.

And, as you deliberately refuse to remember, the Lacrosse players did cooperate with the police. They would have been willing to testify in their own defense, and Nifong could not have shaken their testimony. Nifong made a deliberate attempt to not hear exculpatory evidence and to conceal exculpatory evidence.

What comes next from Kenny?

Another round of screaming deny deny deny.

Kenny has admitted he can no PROVE PROVE PROVE.; December 11, 2017 at 11:48 AM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. A quoting Wikipedia said: "An allegation that describes events that did occur, but were perpetrated by an individual who is not accused, and in which the accused person is innocent"............................. Only innocent of the rape charge that was not proceeded with and was reduced to a charge sexual assault; something former DA Nifong believed some accused were guilty of and that he did have sufficient evidence to convict them on.; December 11, 2017 at 3:00 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 11, 2017 at 3:14 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. A. ,said: "That you wonder about that says yet again you are but a guilt presuming racist".................................. With this guy it's always all about race. He seems to believe that the racism problem in this world is discrimination against those he so anachronistically characterizes as Caucasian. The idea that black on white racism is a problem in America is ludicrous.; December 11, 2017 at 3:18 PM
Ubes Supporter said...: Gollum, You must be confusing Ubes with someone else. Ubes is one of the most beloved posters on this blog.; December 11, 2017 at 3:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Dr. A quoting Wikipedia said: "An allegation that describes events that did occur, but were perpetrated by an individual who is not accused, and in which the accused person is innocent"............................."

You got it wrong Kenny. It wasn't me.

"Only innocent of the rape charge that was not proceeded with and was reduced to a charge sexual assault;"

So what do you call the indictments for and charges of first degree rape which happened in April of 2006? Nifong dropped the rape charge because Crystal, when she was interviewed for the first time, almost 9months after the alleged crime, said she could not recall being penetrated. I remind you, in her statement to the police in March of 2006 she said she had been penetrated. Evidence Crystal lied in March 2006.

"something former DA Nifong believed some accused were guilty of and that he did have sufficient evidence to convict them on."

Kenhyderal again treis to bullshit his way through and around facts which do not mesh ith his guilt presuming racism.; December 11, 2017 at 3:54 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. A did not quote Wikipedia. I did. I did not use my name because you failed to acknowledge it the last time I posted, preferring to inaccurately label me as Dr. A on that occasion as well.

My posting style is completely different from that of Dr. A. While I agree that it would be easier if all posters used names, no reasonable person could have confused me with Dr. A. I used the pseudonym George Adams the last time I posted. I was raising the question of whether you used sock puppets, and I wanted to demonstrate how easy that was. I made no attempt to disguise my style. Today, I am reverting back to my real name--John D. Smith.

For some reason the system will not accept my login. I now have a second Google e-mail, one associated with my job. The work e-mail does not permit posting on blogs, and the system will not let me log in under my personal e-mail account.

Kenny claims: Only innocent of the rape charge that was not proceeded with and was reduced to a charge sexual assault; something former DA Nifong believed some accused were guilty of and that he did have sufficient evidence to convict them on.

I am interested in discussing your opinion that Nifong was an incompetent prosecutor.

He had no credible evidence to pursue charges. When he sought indictments, he already knew that the identifications were tainted and that Crystal's accusations contradicted one another and that the specific accusation in the written statement had been proven to be false. He realized that there was a significant risk that the identifications would not be admitted in court because they were so badly tainted. He realized that his accusing witness was either a liar or remembered no details about the night. In spite of these problems, he failed to press the DPD to conduct a bona fide investigation. Why?

If the identifications were not admitted, and in-court identifications by Crystal were not permitted as the fruit of the poisoned tree, how was Nifong going to tie the defendants to an alleged crime, let alone convict them?

Do not call me Dr. A again.

John D. Smith
New York, NY; December 11, 2017 at 4:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Dr. A. ,said: "That you wonder about that says yet again you are but a guilt presuming racist".................................."

This one was me.

"With this guy it's always all about race. He seems to believe that the racism problem in this world is discrimination against those he so anachronistically characterizes as Caucasian."

Kenny, as is his wont, gets it wrong. I have been saying that the Duke Rape Hoax was a case of black on white racism. The racist issue was, Nifong stirred up racist attitudes in the black electorate in Durham by falsely accusing Caucasian men of raping a black woman. Kenny supports Nifong's actions in this case, which makes him a guilt presuming racist.

"The idea that black on white racism is a problem in America is ludicrous."

That is like Adolph Hitler saying that the idea of anti semitism in Nazi Germany is ludicrous. Some Black people do hold racist attitudes towards Caucasians, e.g. Al Sharpton. Heil Kenny.

Kenny, instead of posting straw fishermen holding up red herrings why don't you explain why there was no evidence that a rape happened. You have admitted there was none, when you said that you do not need any proof because you trust Crystal, just like the Caucasian men who trusted the Caucasian women who accused the Scottsboro Boys.; December 11, 2017 at 4:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Ubes Supporter:

"Gollum, You must be confusing Ubes with someone else. Ubes is one of the most beloved posters on this blog."

You isn't Ubes supporter.

No body likes Ubes.

Ubes has no supporterses. Ubees has no friendses.

Gollum; December 11, 2017 at 4:08 PM
JSwift said...: Kenny,

I tried something else and I was able to log in and post as Swift--the pseudonym for John D. Smith.

I want to make sure that you recognize that the recent Anonymous post by John D. Smith was my post. I also want you to know that the initial posts by George Adams were also mine--although not the later posts.

John D. Smith
New York, NY; December 11, 2017 at 4:09 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. A. Said: "You got it wrong Kenny. It wasn't me:................... My apologies. It's hard to tell one of you anonymous knee-jerk Duke Lacrosse apologists from another. Too bad so few of you have the courage of conviction to post more openly using a google registration user-name. None of you are whistle-blowers so what is it you have to fear? Stand and be counted.; December 11, 2017 at 4:12 PM
JSwift said...: Kenny,

My style is completely different than that of Dr. A. I find it inexcusable that you confused me to Dr. A.

Since you are so quick to criticize others: Why did Blogger not accept my log-in from my personal e-mail account?

John D. Smith
New York, NY; December 11, 2017 at 4:15 PM
JSwift said...: Kenny,

What was "knee-jerk" about my post?

John D. Smith
New York, NY; December 11, 2017 at 4:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Dr. A. Said: "You got it wrong Kenny. It wasn't me:................... My apologies. It's hard to tell one of you anonymous knee-jerk Duke Lacrosse apologists from another. Too bad so few of you have the courage of conviction to post more openly using a google registration user-name. None of you are whistle-blowers so what is it you have to fear? Stand and be counted."

This from a moral equivalent of a lynch mobster/skin head nazi who presumes caucasian men guilty because they were accused by a black woman. Even after he has admitted he has no proof that Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.

STEW STEW STEW; December 11, 2017 at 4:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny must be confused as to who is who.

Probably because he is stewing after admitting he has no evidence that Crystal ever told the truth when she claimed she had been raped.

For some reason or otheer, Kenny gets some kind of charge out of believing this woman, whom he claims he likes and respects, had been brutally gang raped.; December 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM
kenhyderal said...: John D. said: "Do not call me Dr. A again".......... My sincere apologies for my careless error. I agree your contributions are never that incohesive and depreciatory. But, I admonish you don't play games here. It's not productive. Give us your views respectfully and I will likewise reciprocate.; December 11, 2017 at 4:44 PM
JSwift said...: Fine.

How did Nifong expect to get convictions if the identifications were not admitted? Why didn't he insist on a bona fide investigation?

What was knee-jerk about my post?

John D. Smith
New York, NY; December 11, 2017 at 4:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Either Sidney or Kenny or both continue to post as Gollum to create the illusion that they have support.; December 11, 2017 at 4:49 PM
kenhyderal said...: Ubes Supporter said: "Ubes is one of the most beloved posters on this blog".....................Apparently not by John D., though.; December 11, 2017 at 4:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"John D. said: "Do not call me Dr. A again".......... My sincere apologies for my careless error. I agree your contributions are never that incohesive and depreciatory. But, I admonish you don't play games here. It's not productive. Give us your views respectfully and I will likewise reciprocate."

Kenny can not stand being forced to confront himself for what he is.; December 11, 2017 at 4:52 PM
kenhyderal said...: John D said: "How did Nifong expect to get convictions if the identifications were not admitted? Why didn't he insist on a bona fide investigation?".......................As you may know I have been critical of DA. Nifong's investigation. Crystal, though, saw him as someone sympathetic to her ordeal and who was sincere in trying to get her justice; someone who, like her, has been the victim of constant and extreme character assassination by The Duke Lacrosse Defence and their Apologists. DA Nifong knew his chance to get a rape conviction was in his words f**ked but he did sincerely believe he could convict on the equally as serious charges of sexual assault and kidnapping with equally as serious penalty. No, you are a exception to the usual knee-jerk Duke Lacrosse Apologist responses to anything implicating the Duke Lacrosse Players; December 11, 2017 at 5:08 PM
Ubes Supporter said...: Please show Ubes the respect he deserves and has earned through his many thoughtful contributions to this blog.; December 11, 2017 at 5:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Ubes doesnt deserve respect from anoneses.

No one likes ubes.

We hates him.

We hates him forever.

Gollum; December 11, 2017 at 5:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhydral:

"John D said: "How did Nifong expect to get convictions if the identifications were not admitted? Why didn't he insist on a bona fide investigation?".......................

"As you may know I have been critical of DA. Nifong's investigation."

Bullshit revisionism. You were always in denial of Nifong's responsibility for what you call the shoddy police investigation.

"Crystal, though, saw him as someone sympathetic to her ordeal and who was sincere in trying to get her justice;"

Nifong was sympathetic to no one but himself. As I have stated before, Nifong felt his personal welfare(he wanted to be elected DA so he could pad his retirement benefits)trumped the law the Constitution, and legal ethics. You forget that Nifong never had his office interview Crystal until almost 9 months after the alleged crime allegedly happened. That does not show much concern on Nifong's part for Crystal.

"someone who, like her, has been the victim of constant and extreme character assassination by The Duke Lacrosse Defence and their Apologists."

Nifong prosecuted innocent men without probable cause just for personal benefit and Kenny says he was the victim of character assassination. It was more than character self assassination. Nifong ruined himself.

"DA Nifong knew his chance to get a rape conviction was in his words f**ked"

More ignorant bullshit from Kenny. Those were Officer Himan's words, not Nifong's. If you recall Himan in Nifong's ethics trial, Himan testified he told Nifong in response to Nifong's decision to indict Reade Seligman was what would he indict him for. Nifong proceeded to have Reade Seligman indicted for first degree rape. Do you recall what Nifong said when the SBI crime lab reported no blood, no semen, no saliva on the rape kit? Obviously not. Nifong's response was that it did not mean a crime had not happened, it meant that nothing had been left and that he would prosecute for rape anyway, in the old fashioned way before DNA testing became available.

"but he did sincerely believe he could convict on the equally as serious charges of sexual assault and kidnapping with equally as serious penalty."

More bullshit from Kenny. Read Crystal's statement to the police. The sexual assault she alleged was a gang rape in which she had been penetrated by multiple males who had deposited bodily fluids on her. Nifong could not have gotten a conviction without DNA evidence whether or not he dropped the rape charge. Nifong did not drop the rape charge until Crystal told his investigator, almost 9 months after the alleged incident, she could not recall being penetrated, something which would have led an ethical DA to drop all charges.

"No, you are a exception to the usual knee-jerk Duke Lacrosse Apologist responses to anything implicating the Duke Lacrosse Players".

As there was zero evidence of a crime, zero evidence of any Lacrosse player being a perpetrator of said alleged crime, those who knew the Lacrosse players were innocent were denying nothing.

Unlike Kenhyderal who tries to deny the FACT Crystal lied when she alleged she had been raped. The thing is, he does so in a totally pathetic, totally ineffective way and he is too incredibly stupid to realize it.; December 11, 2017 at 5:54 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4vC0I492zc. This is a video of Benjamin Himan's testimony at the Nifong ethics trial. I stand corrected. He cites Nifong as saying something to the effect of you know we're fucked.

Put it all in context.

Nifong had gone public about the case, declaring that a crime had happened, that members of the Lacrosse team had been the perpetrators.

Himan was testifying that Nifong was aware of many inconsistencies in the case. Anyone listening to that testimony, except for guilt presuming racists like you, would realize that Nifong was admitting he did not have a case. I say again, Nifong knew he did not have a case, not for rape, not for sexual assault. The historical record is he went forward with the prosecution anyway. How does that amount to a desire for justice?

You claim tht because the Grand Jury returned indictments the case should have gone to trial. BULLSHIT!!!!! What the Grand Jury did not hear was the alibi evidence, the exculpatory evidence Nifong concealed, the improper nature of the identification procedure, the total dearth of the reliability of the identifications Crystal made.

Yet you approve of Nifong's actions, which is why I say you are the equivalent of the people who persecuted the Scottsboro boys.

And again, one must wonder why you get such gratification out of believing Crystal had been brutally gang raped.; December 12, 2017 at 3:22 AM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal:

Excerpts from Crystal's statement to the police:

"Matt stood behind me and bent me over onto my knees and Adam stood in front of me. Adam said I can't do this I'm getting married, and Matt and Brett said "yes, you can do it." Matt started having sex with me in my vagina and he got frustrated because he said he couldn't cum. He had sex with me for about 2 minutes in my vagina. He ten placed his penis in my anus for about 3 minutes. He said "I'm done" come on try some Adam. Adam said I can't do it. Brett said I will. So Brett go behind me while Matt held my legs. When Brett had sex with in my vagina he stopped after about 5 minutes, then he put his penis in my anus for about 2 minutes. When Brett said that he was done, Adam said he was done also. Matt hit me in my face while Dan and Brett kicked me and called me "nigger Bitch. I heard Nikki on the other side of the door and when Adam opened the door she rushed in and helped Adam to get me dressed. They dragged me out to the car because my legs would not move. Nikki said

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"What happened girl," did they hurt you." I said yes, and she said that she would get help for me. She wanted to take me to Raleigh and drop me off. but I told her to take me home. She said that she would call the police. she took me to Kroger on Hilsborogh Rd. to call the police. She tried to get me out of her car before the police arrived, but I was afraid to get out. When the police came she pulled me back inot the car, and the police took e to the hospital from Kroger parking lot."

So tell us how Nifong could have convicted the Lacrosse players of sexual assault without DNA evidence in the face of this description. It is a description of a rape in which the perpetrators deposited their bodily fluids on Crystal's person.

I again point out, when Kim drove away from the house with Crystal in her car she called the police not to report a rape but to report that people at the house had yelled "n---er" at her and her black girlfriend.

Why did Kim drive her to a grocery store parking lot to have a security guard forcibly remove Crystal from her car? Contrary to what Crystal said in her statement Kim did not call the police until the security guard was unable to get Crystal out of the car, and Kim called the police to have them get Crystal out of her car. And the police officer did not take her to a hospital but to the Durham Access Center for involuntary commitment for detox.

You did claim that Kim was unaware of what allegedly happened to Crystal. Crystal stated that Kim was aware.

It all adds up to, Crystal lied.

And as there was no crime, there was nothing for any Lacrosse team to admit to. When they denied the crime, they were telling the truth, something you and Sidney do not comprehend. Not at all surprising.; December 12, 2017 at 5:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Check this out. It contains testimony at Nifong's ethics trial. One of the Lawyers who defended the Lacrosse defendants makes statements, that, as a lawyer, if his client is demonstrably innocent then that client should not have to go to trial.

How did he know his client was demonstrably innocent. Read the excerpts from Crystal's statement to the police. The sexual assault she alleged was a gang rape in which multiple assailants penetrated her and deposited their bodily fluids on her. The DNA found on Crystal's person did not match the DNA of the men Nifong had indicted for and charged with first degree rape.

So far as prosecuting for sexual assault and not needint DNA evidence to convict of sexual assault, that was just another attempt by Nifong to get a conviction by suppressing exculpatory evidence. How is that justice?

You can not answer since you have zero comprehension of the meaning of justice.; December 12, 2017 at 8:36 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhderal:

from https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_8_special_responsibilities_of_a_prosecutor.html

"The prosecutor in a criminal case shall:

(a) refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause;"

As there was no evidence linking any member of the Lacrosse team to the alleged crime, Nifong had a responsibility NOT to prosecute. Your argument that the case should have gone to trial because the Grand Jury indicted the accused is what one would expect from a racist guilt presuming legal incompetent.; December 12, 2017 at 8:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Also from the above URL:

"The prosecutor in a criminal case shall:

(f) except for statements that are necessary to inform the public of the nature and extent of the prosecutor's action and that serve a legitimate law enforcement purpose, refrain from making extrajudicial comments that have a substantial likelihood of heightening public condemnation of the accused and exercise reasonable care to prevent investigators, law enforcement personnel, employees or other persons assisting or associated with the prosecutor in a criminal case from making an extrajudicial statement that the prosecutor would be prohibited from making under Rule 3.6 or this Rule."
to
Nifong's statements presumed guilt, and undermined certain rights of the people he intended to prosecute, the right to be represented to Counsel, the right not to talk to the authorities.

That you and Sidney try to argue Nifong had a legitimate reason for making his statements shows that the both of you are guilt presuming racist legal incompetents.; December 12, 2017 at 8:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr, this one from the above URL is for you:

"(g) When a prosecutor knows of new, credible and material evidence creating a reasonable likelihood that a convicted defendant did not commit an offense of which the defendant was convicted, the prosecutor shall:

(1) promptly disclose that evidence to an appropriate court or authority..."

You have argued that Nifong did not conceal the DNA evidence found on Crystal. Nifong turned over thousands of pages of raw data months after he had the report of the Male DNS which was actually found on Crystal, in response to a court order. NC law required Nifong turn over the report in a timely manner as soon as he got the report.

That is not exactly Nifong conforming to the responsibilities he had as a prosecutor in this case. You again show you are a legal incompetent guilt presuming racist.; December 12, 2017 at 8:58 AM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. A. said: "Bullshit revisionism. You were always in denial of Nifong's responsibility for what you call the shoddy police investigation"......................Here is a quote from a post I made June 10 2015 "DA Nifong was initially let down by the Durham Police. When he took over he believed he could proceed without DNA by going for sexual assault instead of rape and counting on witnesses to the crime to come forward and testify which was a miscalculation on his part, considering the moral turpitude of the Players not involved. In attacking DA Nifong I take my lead from Crystal who feels she has a distinct ally in him"; December 12, 2017 at 9:32 AM
Anonymous said...: More Bullshit from Kenhyderal:

"'Dr. A. said: "Bullshit revisionism. You were always in denial of Nifong's responsibility for what you call the shoddy police investigation'......................Here is a quote from a post I made June 10 2015 'DA Nifong was initially let down by the Durham Police.'"

So tell us what the deficiencies were, why they happened and when Nifong took over the investigation what measures he took to remedy the deficiencies. I refer you again to what Crystal alleged in her statement to the police, that she had been gang raped by three men who penetrated her, deposited their bodily fluids on her, leaving behind their DNA. Male DNA was found on Crystal's person. Did Nifong make any attempt to idntify the men who had deposited their DNA? No. Nifong made a statement he would prosecute for rape the old fashioned way before DNA technology became available.

"'When he took over he believed he could proceed without DNA by going for sexual assault instead of rape and counting on witnesses to the crime to come forward and testify'"

If Nifong really proceeded that way, his action was unjustified. I repeat, Crystal alleged a sexual assault which was a gang rape in which three perpetrators left their DNA on her. Prosecuting three men whose DNA did not match the DNA found on Crystal in a way he believed would not require DNA evidence amounts to nothing more than prosecuting them without probable cause.

"which was a miscalculation on his part, considering the moral turpitude of the Players not involved."

Totally irrelevant, guilt presuming statement. You admit you have no evidence that any Lacrosse player ever perpetrated a sexual assault on Crystal. You have no evidence of any moral turpitude on the part of the players. Insisting they were innocent when no crime took place is telling the truth.

"'In attacking DA Nifong I take my lead from Crystal who feels she has a distinct ally in him'"

HUH???!!! Nifong had indicted three men who could not have perpetrated the rape described by Crystal. Nifong was an ally of no one but himself. I remind you, he never talked directly to Crystal, never had anyone of his investigators talk to her directly until approximately 9 months after alleged crime allegedly happened.; December 12, 2017 at 10:10 AM
JSwift said...: Kenny,

The quote you provided tends to support Dr. A's assertion that you have always denied Nifong's responsibility for the shoddy police investigation. It does nothing to contradict it.

As you know, Nifong's involvement in the case began much earlier than is normal in a criminal investigation. Indeed there were some assertions that Gottlieb and Himan were instructed to report to Nifong and some reports of Nifong's direct involvement in the investigation.

When he took over, there were no identifications of specific suspects (Crystal had failed to make identifications in two earlier sessions, neither of which met the standards established by the DPD). Crystal had provided several different versions of her allegation, each of which conflicted with other versions. There were few witnesses, and the DPD had declined to interview some of them (e.g., Jason Bissey, other neighbors,Durham Access personnel, Dr. Manly). There was no physical evidence to support the allegations. Crystal had not yet been asked to provide a written statement.

In short, Nifong had an unreliable witness and, therefore, no case without DNA.

In spite of this lack of credible evidence and a lack of a bona fide investigation up to that point, Nifong did nothing to jump start a real investigation. Why not?

Your statement (When he took over he believed he could proceed without DNA by going for sexual assault instead of rape and counting on witnesses to the crime to come forward and testify is inaccurate. When he took over, he did not yet know that he would not have DNA evidence to support the allegation (the rape kit had not yet been submitted to the SBI). He initially pursued a rape case with the apparent expectation that there would be some DNA.

As you also know, Nifong failed to make a bona fide attempt to interview players consistent with the legal rules. He had every opportunity to tell the players' lawyers that he had instructed the DPD to interview every player and that the lawyers should make their clients' available. He made no attempt to do so. He even failed to use the misdemeanor larceny charge to interview players. This failure is inexcusable in a real investigation.

Crystal would be well served by friends who actually told her the truth. She tends to rely on people, such as Nifong and Harr, who claim to want to help her. She fails to question this reliance when her "allies" fail so miserably. In the case of Nifong, I have concluded that he used Crystal to secure his reelection. Harr is either an idiot or a troll.

John D. Smith
New York, NY; December 12, 2017 at 10:20 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

You should check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdSDmMKarOM.

This is a video of Prosecutor Marsha Goodenow's testimony during the Nifong ethics trial. She is asked if a prosecutor would proceed with a rape prosecution when the only evidence was the accuser's word. Ms. Goodenow, who knows about such things, says that most prosecutors would require more than the accuser's word to proceed. Nifong had nothing but Crystal's word. I remind you again of Crystal's word was that she had been raped by three men who had penetrated her and deposited their DNA on her. The DNA found on her did not match the DNA of the three men Nifong had indicted for rape. Nifong proceeded without probable cause against those three men.

So far as your contention that Nifong hoped that witnesses would come forth who would support the charges he had filed against the three men, since when is that proper prosecutorial procedure. Probable cause dictates that the prosecutor have witnesses before he charges anyone.

From http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1618:

"probable cause
n. sufficient reason based upon known facts to believe a crime has been committed or that certain property is connected with a crime".

How is prosecuting someone in the hope that witnesses would come forth to provide testimony establishing probable cause?; December 12, 2017 at 10:30 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ujrDZm6ho

At the 1:36 mark of the video Nifong testifies that no one in his DA office had talked to Crystal to determine her "version of the facts".

Doesn't that sound like Nifong was conducting a botched prosecution. Did Nifong ever try to learn frm Crystal who had left their DNA on her? Probqbly not because said DNA did not match the DNA of the men he wanted to prosecute.; December 12, 2017 at 2:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

This is inspired by Roy Moore's defeat. A number of women have come forward and accused him of inappropriate behavior towards them on his part. Since than a number of the powerful have fallen when women have come forward with allegations of inappropriate conduct.

I pointed out to you that when the Duke Lacrosse players were falsely accused, no other women ever came forward to accuse them of inappropriate behavior. I pointed out that the Women's Lacrosse team at Duke came forward to support them. Your claim was that they feared Duke would retaliate against them if they did not supprot the Lacrosse team.

You seem to have forgottten that Duke suspended the three falsely accused players immediately, Duke cancelled the Lacrosse season, Duke pressured Mike Pressler to resign, some official at Duke, right now I can not recall the name, said he did not know what the Lacrosse players actually did but whatever it was it was bad enough. And you had the gangsters of the group of 88 loudly proclaiming the Lacrosse players guilty. Some Duke official said something to the effect of, let them be convicted and then have it sorted out on appeal. Duke threw the players under the bus. Duke expressed zero support for the Lacrosse players. Why would they retaliate against the Women's Lacrosse team if that team did not express support for the Men's Lacrosse team.

You are totally divorced from reality.; December 13, 2017 at 8:57 AM
kenhyderal said...: John D. Said: " The quote you provided tends to support Dr. A's assertion that you have always denied Nifong's responsibility for the shoddy police investigation. It does nothing to contradict it"......................... Howe about this one then from March 5 2012. "I disagree with DA Nifong here. After the rape charge was dropped, because of exculpatory evidence, evidence for the other crimes were not properly investigated. As, well charges for theft, the crime with obvious evidence was never laid" Again I reiterate because Crystal believes DA Nifong was, like her a victim of The Duke Lacrosse Defence and he was someone with only her interests at heart, she does not want me to go hard on him or to arm-chair quarter-back what he did or failed to do. I defer to her judgement in this matter; December 13, 2017 at 4:22 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: " This is inspired by Roy Moore's defeat"...................... Keep in mind 63% of white women voters in Alabama voted for Moore. 98% of black women voters in Alabama voted for Jones. That's the demographic that made the difference. It was Black women who saved Alabama from universal disrepute. Once again Black Women have saved America from a moral disgrace.; December 13, 2017 at 8:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"'John D. Said: " The quote you provided tends to support Dr. A's assertion that you have always denied Nifong's responsibility for the shoddy police investigation. It does nothing to contradict it"......................... Howe about this one then from March 5 2012. "I disagree with DA Nifong here. After the rape charge was dropped, because of exculpatory evidence,"

You document you have no clue as to what happened in the Duke Rape Hoax. The DA's office requested a Non Testimonial Order requiring that each Caucasian member of the Lacrosse team give samples for DNA analysis, the reason being that DNA evidence would identify the perpetrators and clear any non perpetrators. The result was, according to the SBI crime lab, no evidence of semen, blood or saliva on the rape kit, no DNA which matched the DNA of the Lacrosse players. Following that, the DNA testing by DNA security showed the only DNA found of Crystal did not match the DNA of the Lacrosse players. Nifong's public reaction was, the results exonerated no one, that the results did not mean a crime did not happen, they meant only that nothing had been left behind, Nifong also said he would prosecute for first degree rape anyway. So where do you get that he dropped the rape charges after he found exculpatory evidence? Probably from your attitude, that no evidence was needed, Crystal's allegations should have been accepted as true. What you have specifically said, you did not need proof that Crystal told the truth because you trusted her, an attitude just like the attitude of the white men who believed the women who accused the Scottsboro boys.

"'evidence for the other crimes were not properly investigated. As, well charges for theft, the crime with obvious evidence was never laid'"

Your delusion, which you have repeated on J4N, that Nifong dropped the rape charges after finding exculpatory evidence, brings in to question whether or not you really have evidence of other crimes, it indicates you again are fabricating something to mesh with your need to believe a woman had been brutally raped.

"Again I reiterate because Crystal believes DA Nifong was, like her a victim of The Duke Lacrosse Defence and he was someone with only her interests at heart, she does not want me to go hard on him or to arm-chair quarter-back what he did or failed to do. I defer to her judgement in this matter"

So explain why Nifong, which he admitted in his ethics trial, made no attempt to either directy question her himself, or have anyone from his office directly question her about what had happened, something Nifong himself admitted at his ethics trial.; December 14, 2017 at 2:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: " This is inspired by Roy Moore's defeat"...................... Keep in mind 63% of white women voters in Alabama voted for Moore. 98% of black women voters in Alabama voted for Jones. That's the demographic that made the difference. It was Black women who saved Alabama from universal disrepute. Once again Black Women have saved America from a moral disgrace."

That is a completely irrelevant response to the issue I raised.

I pointed out to Sidney that in the wake of the allegations of rape against the Lacrosse players, no women came forth to accuse them of the rowdy conduct of which Sidney has repeatedly accused them. The women's Lacrosse team publicly supported them. Sidney claimed they supported the Men's Lacrosse team because they feared retaliation from Duke if they did not support them. Duke, itself, did not support the Lacrosse team, considering that Duke cancelled the team's season, forced its coach to resign, and suspended the accused players.

So, if the Lacrosse players had such a brutal attitude towards women, like Sidney alleged, why did no women ever come forth to accuse them. After the first allegations against Harvey Weinstein, Matt Lauer, Al Franken, Kevin Spacey, Donald Trump and others, women came forward with more allegations.

So address the issue rather than trying to bullshit your way around and through it.

However, giving credit to black women for Roy Moore's defeat is like giving Britain sole credit for winning the Battle of Waterloo. Had a majority of younger Caucasian people and more educated people voted for Roy Moore, he would have been elected.

And where were all those Black women when Donald Trump carried Alabama in 2016?; December 14, 2017 at 2:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal;

"Once again Black Women have saved America from a moral disgrace."

A bit of hypocrisy on your part, considering your advocacy for two women who falsely accused innocent men of rape, Tawn Brwley and Crystal Mangum.

Did you ever comment on the incident in Albany NY in which q group of black coeds accused white people of attacking them in a bus. Surveillance video showed the black coeds attacked a white person.

Or how about Madonna Constantine, who staged a racist incident to distract attention away from an investigation of her plagiarism.[; December 14, 2017 at 4:36 AM
Ubes Supporter said...: Thank you Ubes for being you and doing everything you do.; December 14, 2017 at 3:33 PM
Anonymous said...: We doesn't like ubes. Ubes is not our friend. Ubes has no friends. Ubes has no supporterses. He is mean and nasty like hobbitses. We hates him forever.

We hates kenny.

Kenny wants our precious.

Gollum; December 15, 2017 at 3:59 AM
Gollum Supporter said...: I’m proud to call Gollum my friend.; December 15, 2017 at 5:29 PM
Anonymous said...: WE HAS NO FRIENDSES!!!

WE HATES EVERYONES.

WE HATES KENNY BECAUSE HE WANTS OUR PRECIOUS.

Gollum; December 15, 2017 at 5:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Gollum:

Who’s your daddy?; December 15, 2017 at 8:01 PM
Anonymous said...: My Counsis waw deagol. I killed him.

We hates everyone.

No one likes us.

We hates kenny because Kenny wants our precious.; December 16, 2017 at 5:52 AM
Anonymous said...: I understand that Ken Edwards posts at this blog. Can someone tell me how I can contact him? I am a friend of his from Bremerton.; December 16, 2017 at 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Will someone help me contact my friend, Ken Edwards? We have been unable to reach him since he left for the Mideast and we want to let him know that one of his close friends is having legal problems.; December 16, 2017 at 3:38 PM
Anonymous said...: "Wild Thing"
(originally by The Wild Ones)

Wild thing
You make my heart sing
You make everything groovy
Wild thing

Wild thing, I think I love you
But I wanna know for sure
So come on and hold me tight
I love you

Wild thing
You make my heart sing
You make everything groovy
Wild thing

Wild thing, I think you move me
But I wanna know for sure
So come on and hold me tight
You move me

Wild thing
You make my heart sing
You make everything groovy
Wild thing

Come on, come on, wild thing
Shake it, shake it, wild thing; December 17, 2017 at 11:48 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: Where is my good friend kenhyderal?; December 18, 2017 at 5:00 PM
Ubes Supporter said...: Where is my good friend Ubes?; December 18, 2017 at 5:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil supporter said,
Where is my good friend the CryBully?; December 18, 2017 at 7:13 PM
Gollum Supporter said...: Where is my good friend Gollum?; December 19, 2017 at 3:10 AM
The Ghost of Bob Marley said...: Chorus]
No woman, no cry
No woman, no cry
No woman, no cry
No woman, no cry

[Verse 1]
I remember when we used to sit
In the government yard in Trenchtown
Oba, observing the hypocrites
As they would mingle with the good people we meet
Good friends we have had, oh good friends we've lost along the way (way)
In this bright future you can't forget your past
So dry your tears I say

[Chorus]
No woman, no cry
No woman, no cry
Little Sidney don't shed no tears
No woman, no cry

[Verse 2]
Said, said, said I remember when we used to sit
In the government yard in Trenchtown
And then Kenny would make the fire light
As if it was log wood burning through the night
Then we would cook corn meal porridge
Of which I'll share with you
My feet is my only carriage
So I've got to push on through
But while I'm gone

[Bridge]
Everything's going to be alright
(x 8)
So woman don't cry
No, woman
(No woman, no cry)
Oh little Sidney, don't shed no tears
(No Woman, no cry)
Yeah

[Guitar breakdown]

[Verse 3]
I said I remember when we used to sit
In the government yard in Trenchtown
And then Kenny would make the fire light
As if it was log wood burning through the night
Then we would cook corn meal porridge
Of which I'll share with you
My feet is my only carriage, yah
So I've got to push on through
But while I'm gone

[Bridge 2]
No woman, no cry
I said: no woman, no cry
Ooh Sidney, don't shed no tears
No woman, no cry
Woman no cry, don't shed no tears
No woman no cry

[Chorus]
Little Sidney, don't shed no tears
No woman no cry
Little Sidney, don't shed no tears
No woman, no cry; December 19, 2017 at 9:09 AM
Anonymous said...: we hates ubses. Ubses is nasty just like hobbitses.

We hates Kenny because Kenny wants our PRECIOUS.
We hates Sidney because Sidney wants our PRECIOUS.

Gollum; December 20, 2017 at 8:14 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Durham's daily newspaper The Herald-Sun just published an opinion piece I wrote in its December 15, 2017 print and online editions.
CLICK here to view op-ed.

As you were.; December 20, 2017 at 2:28 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: JSwift said...
Kenny,

The quote you provided tends to support Dr. A's assertion that you have always denied Nifong's responsibility for the shoddy police investigation. It does nothing to contradict it.

As you know, Nifong's involvement in the case began much earlier than is normal in a criminal investigation. Indeed there were some assertions that Gottlieb and Himan were instructed to report to Nifong and some reports of Nifong's direct involvement in the investigation.

When he took over, there were no identifications of specific suspects (Crystal had failed to make identifications in two earlier sessions, neither of which met the standards established by the DPD). Crystal had provided several different versions of her allegation, each of which conflicted with other versions. There were few witnesses, and the DPD had declined to interview some of them (e.g., Jason Bissey, other neighbors,Durham Access personnel, Dr. Manly). There was no physical evidence to support the allegations. Crystal had not yet been asked to provide a written statement.

In short, Nifong had an unreliable witness and, therefore, no case without DNA.

In spite of this lack of credible evidence and a lack of a bona fide investigation up to that point, Nifong did nothing to jump start a real investigation. Why not?

Your statement (When he took over he believed he could proceed without DNA by going for sexual assault instead of rape and counting on witnesses to the crime to come forward and testify is inaccurate. When he took over, he did not yet know that he would not have DNA evidence to support the allegation (the rape kit had not yet been submitted to the SBI). He initially pursued a rape case with the apparent expectation that there would be some DNA.

As you also know, Nifong failed to make a bona fide attempt to interview players consistent with the legal rules. He had every opportunity to tell the players' lawyers that he had instructed the DPD to interview every player and that the lawyers should make their clients' available. He made no attempt to do so. He even failed to use the misdemeanor larceny charge to interview players. This failure is inexcusable in a real investigation.

Crystal would be well served by friends who actually told her the truth. She tends to rely on people, such as Nifong and Harr, who claim to want to help her. She fails to question this reliance when her "allies" fail so miserably. In the case of Nifong, I have concluded that he used Crystal to secure his reelection. Harr is either an idiot or a troll.

John D. Smith
New York, NY

December 12, 2017 at 10:20 AM

Hey, JSwift.

Check out my op-ed piece that was published in the Durham daily newspaper... the link in my above comment. It clearly brings to light the fact that Mike Nifong was years ahead of his time in prosecution the powerful males who sexually prey on women. Nifong refused to sweep such incidents under the rug... which was customary in the pre-Harvey Weinstein days. As a result Nifong, along with Mangum were retaliated against by the Power-That-Be. With the reckoning, Mike Nifong should be viewed in a new light... as a courageous hero rather than a villain.; December 20, 2017 at 2:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

In publishing this piece of bullshit, you are taking after your wacko-lyte Kenhyderal. Like your wacko-lyte you make yourself the moral equivalent of the men who believed the women who accused the Scottsboro boys. The women made their allegations and a bunch of racists said their allegations should have been accepted at face value. Like your wacko-lyte you have the morals of a lynch mobster, of a nazi skin head.

There is zero evidence Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.

That is why the Lacrosse players are innocent, as a matter of fact, not as a matter of proclamation. You say AG Cooper had no authority to proclaim them innocent( which he did not do-he stated he and his investigators believed they were innocent because there was zero evidence of the crime).

But you, a guilt presuming racist legal incompetent proclaim that your proclamation of their guilt proves they were. Each and every time you refer to victimizer/false accuser Crystal as the victim/accuser in the Duke Rape case.

It was the Duke Rape HOAX.; December 20, 2017 at 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...: More bullshit from Sidney Harr:

"It clearly brings to light the fact that Mike Nifong was years ahead of his time in prosecution the powerful males who sexually prey on women."

By trying to stir up racial tensions by falsely accusing men of a rape which never happened, Nifong was an agent enforcing the sexual harassment, sexual assault of women. That Crystal did obviously lie about being raped was and continues to be a major reason why women who are assaulted do not come forward, a major reason for the skepticism abour rape claims.

Just like you are incapable of elucidating any one because you yourself are incapable of elucidation, you, like Nifong, do not give a real D--n about bringing attention to real crimes.; December 20, 2017 at 3:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

Your op ed piee is anther piece of blasphemy, comparing false accuser to women who have actually been assaulted.

Since when is it due process to presume someone guilty of rape solely on the word of the victim and no other evidence. That is what you are advocating in the Duke Rape HOAX; December 20, 2017 at 6:15 PM
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Anonymous said...: the not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo is back spouting off its limited vocabulary and manifesting its nonn existent intelligence.; December 21, 2017 at 2:49 AM
THE GREAT KILGO Supporter said...: I am proud to call THE GREAT KILGO my friend.; December 21, 2017 at 3:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Great Kilgo supporter you have something in common with Sidney.

Sidney calls hiself Nifong Supporter. That is like calling oneself an athletic supporter for a eunuch. Such an individual supports nothing.

So you also support nothing.; December 21, 2017 at 4:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harrr:

Another observation on your latest delusional screed:

Nifong was concerned about a sexually assaulted woman? HAJH!!!

Nifong admitted in his ethics trial neither he nor anyone in his office interviewed her directly until approximately 9 months after the alleged crime allegedly happened.

That is not exactly showing concern for the alleged victim.

You are a thoroughly rotten sow's ear trying to pass yourself off as a silk purse.; December 21, 2017 at 6:54 AM
The Real Fake Kenhyderal said...: FWIW -- They published Sid's opinion piece as a letter to the editor. If you're looking in the usual "opinion" section, you won't find it.; December 21, 2017 at 11:40 AM
Anonymous said...: For what it is worth one should realize no self respecting newspaper would have invited Sidney tp publish an Op Ed piece. For that matter, not even newspapers like the National Enquirer or Star would have ever invited Sidney to publish an Op Ed piece for them.; December 21, 2017 at 1:52 PM
THE GREAT KILGO Supporter said...: Ubes,

Your posts are devoid of any content that is original, creative or clever. And you have something in common with Kenny. The two of you drone on week after week repeating the same comments. It is time for you to get a life.; December 21, 2017 at 4:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny does not drone on week after week. Kenny is presented it factswhich do not mesh with his guit presuming racism. He can not refute the facts so he hides somewhere and sulks. Then he emerges weeks later with more bulllshit ro try to plow through and around those facts h dislikes.

Or he posts anonymously to create the illusion he has support.; December 21, 2017 at 7:17 PM
THE GREAT KILGO Supporter said...: Ubes,

Why don’t you shock us by doing something new and write a letter to the H-S responding to Sid?; December 21, 2017 at 8:27 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "Kenny does not drone on week after week. Kenny is presented it factswhich do not mesh with his guit presuming racism. He can not refute the facts so he hides somewhere and sulks. Then he emerges weeks later with more bulllshit ro try to plow through and around those facts h dislikes"........ I last posted a week ago. Until Dr. Harr posted his excellent letter yesterday there were only trolls posting their usual garbage on this blog. Something you and many other Duke Lacrosse Apologists choose to ignore probably because they direct their juvenile mischief making and mockery against those who support views other than the metanarrative you all hold. This will mark one of the few times the general public in Durham will get to read a take other then the metanarrative they have been fed for so long. One that they've come to accept as fact. By the way, facts are irrefutable. Opinions are not.; December 21, 2017 at 9:16 PM
Anonymous said...: From the not so great non entity which styes itself as the great kilgo:

"Why don’t you shock us by doing something new and write a letter to the H-S responding to Sid?"

First, let's have you, whatever your are, and Sidney and Kenny prove Crystal told the truth when she claimed she had been raped..; December 22, 2017 at 2:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Knhyderal:

“Dr. Anonymous said: ‘Kenny does not drone on week after week. Kenny is presented it factswhich do not mesh with his guit presuming racism. He can not refute the facts so he hides somewhere and sulks. Then he emerges weeks later with more bulllshit ro try to plow through and around those facts h dislikes”’........ I last posted a week ago.”

You mean a week ago you posted another compendium of uncorroborated guilt presuming allegations.

“Until Dr. Harr posted his excellent letter yesterday”

Sidney’s compendium of lies and false allegations is anything but excellent.

“there were only trolls posting their usual garbage on this blog.”

What you call “garbage” is the truth about Crystal’s false allegations of rape.

“Something you and many other Duke Lacrosse Apologists choose to ignore probably because they direct their juvenile mischief making and mockery against those who support views other than the metanarrative you all hold.”

What you call “views other than the metanarrative you all hold” is your racist guilt presumption. I have challenged you to prove your “views other than the metanaative” are valid, that they have merit and the best you can come up with is, you do not need proof because you trust Crystal. Which is just like the views of the white men who believed the accusers of the Scottsboro boys because the accusers were white and the accused were black(I do not call them Caucasian because false accusers and racists deserve zero respect).

“This will mark one of the few times the general public in Durham will get to read a take other then the metanarrative they have been fed for so long. One that they've come to accept as fact.”

There was no metanarrative. Crystal lied about being raped and Nifong took that lie and ran with it hoping that would get him elected DA and pad his retirement benefits.

“By the way, facts are irrefutable. Opinions are not.”

So refute the fact that you have zero evidence to show Crystal had been raped. Your trust in Crystal is not refutation.; December 22, 2017 at 3:23 AM
Anonymous said...: Correction:

"From the [supporter of the] not so great non entity which styes itself as the great kilgo:

"Why don’t you shock us by doing something new and write a letter to the H-S responding to Sid?"

First, let's have you, whatever your are, and Sidney and Kenny prove Crystal told the truth when she claimed she had been raped..; December 22, 2017 at 3:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Krnhyderal:

You claim rhat AG Cooper was pressured to proclaim the Lacrosse players innocent. This is the only pressure to which AG Cooper was subjected:

"The Wilmington Journal, part of North Carolina’s Black Press network, threatened state Attorney General Roy Cooper with political retaliation if he failed to hammer the lacrosse players. Again, the question of whether they had committed a sexual assault of any kind seemed quite secondary. In a January 18 open letter from 'North Carolina’s African-American community, and anyone else who believes true justice comes from the gavel of a judge, not the demands of a mob; or slick, race-baiting baiting defense attorneys,” the paper demanded a comprehensive review of “the team’s drunken, perverted party last March.' The editorial urged Cooper to consider charges of obstructing justice against every person who attended the party because they had refused to speak with Sgt. Mark Gottlieb before consulting with an attorney. The editorial also demanded that the attorney general ignore public opinion, concluding with an implicit threat to seek political retribution against him: 'After all, as a Democrat, just like Mike Nifong, you need the Black vote for any future political aspirations.'”

Taylor Jr., Stuart. Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (pp. 332-333). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.

Now you will refer to William Cohan's Price of Silence.I remond you, Cohan himself admitted he did not document his allegations. KC Johnson and Stuary Taylor provided extensive documentation for what they wrote.; December 22, 2017 at 5:04 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Krnhyderal:

You claim rhat AG Cooper was pressured to proclaim the Lacrosse players innocent. This is the only pressure to which AG Cooper was subjected:

"The Wilmington Journal, part of North Carolina’s Black Press network, threatened state Attorney General Roy Cooper with political retaliation if he failed to hammer the lacrosse players. Again, the question of whether they had committed a sexual assault of any kind seemed quite secondary. In a January 18 open letter from 'North Carolina’s African-American community, and anyone else who believes true justice comes from the gavel of a judge, not the demands of a mob; or slick, race-baiting baiting defense attorneys,” the paper demanded a comprehensive review of “the team’s drunken, perverted party last March.' The editorial urged Cooper to consider charges of obstructing justice against every person who attended the party because they had refused to speak with Sgt. Mark Gottlieb before consulting with an attorney. The editorial also demanded that the attorney general ignore public opinion, concluding with an implicit threat to seek political retribution against him: 'After all, as a Democrat, just like Mike Nifong, you need the Black vote for any future political aspirations.'”

Taylor Jr., Stuart. Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (pp. 332-333). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.

Now you will refer to William Cohan's Price of Silence.I remond you, Cohan himself admitted he did not document his allegations. KC Johnson and Stuary Taylor provided extensive documentation for what they wrote.

December 22, 2017 at 5:04 AM

Hey, Anony.

Very interesting. I would very much like to read the actual January 18th open letter itself, but my search (The Wilmington Journal, Roy Cooper, Duke Lacrosse) directs me only to Stuart Taylor's book and not the opinion piece. Also, do you know what year the January 18th open letter was published? Do you know what individual(s) drafted the open letter that politically threatened Roy Cooper?

I and, I'm sure, other commenters and visitors to this site would like to read the open letter. Would you be able to provide a LINK to it? I would research it more, but don't have the time. Thanks.; December 22, 2017 at 8:14 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: kenhyderal said...
Dr. Anonymous said: "Kenny does not drone on week after week. Kenny is presented it factswhich do not mesh with his guit presuming racism. He can not refute the facts so he hides somewhere and sulks. Then he emerges weeks later with more bulllshit ro try to plow through and around those facts h dislikes"........ I last posted a week ago. Until Dr. Harr posted his excellent letter yesterday there were only trolls posting their usual garbage on this blog. Something you and many other Duke Lacrosse Apologists choose to ignore probably because they direct their juvenile mischief making and mockery against those who support views other than the metanarrative you all hold. This will mark one of the few times the general public in Durham will get to read a take other then the metanarrative they have been fed for so long. One that they've come to accept as fact. By the way, facts are irrefutable. Opinions are not.

December 21, 2017 at 9:16 PM

Hey, kenhyderal.

Thanks for the great post. I like your ending statement "Facts are irrefutable. Opinions are not." Is that a kenhyderalism?; December 22, 2017 at 8:20 AM
guiowen said...: Good old Kenny said,
"Facts are irrefutable. Opinions are not."

The only trouble is that good old Kenny thinks opinions are facts.; December 22, 2017 at 8:46 AM
kenhyderal said...: Since it's better that ten guilty go free then one innocent be jailed (Blackstone's Ratio) the burden is on the prosecution to come up with irrefutable facts. AG Cooper said: "The result of our review and investigation shows clearly that there is insufficient evidence to proceed on any of the charges" In other words, we don't have the facts to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that they did it. Then he expressed an opinion: "Based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we "believe" these three individuals are innocent of these charges". Because US Justice is selective and corrupt this important protection is never championed for the poor and the marginalized, like Crystal, but only to the wealthy and well connected.; December 22, 2017 at 9:37 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: Udaman, Kenny, udaman.; December 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM
FakeKenhyderal said...: Sid -- The Wilmington Journal "open letter" was published on 18 Jan. 2007. The website's oldest articles go back to about 2014 (2012 for op-ed pieces).

The link that I had (http://tinyurl.com/3cvrpe) no longer works, as the article has been removed from the Journal's website.

You can check your local library to see if this copy is available, or contact the Wilmington Journal directly. Although no author was identified, it was written in a style very reminiscent of Cash Michaels, so you may want to reach out to him as well.; December 22, 2017 at 11:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

'kenhyderal said...
Dr. Anonymous said: "Kenny does not drone on week after week. Kenny is presented it factswhich do not mesh with his guit presuming racism. He can not refute the facts so he hides somewhere and sulks. Then he emerges weeks later with more bulllshit ro try to plow through and around those facts h dislikes"........ I last posted a week ago. Until Dr. Harr posted his excellent letter yesterday there were only trolls posting their usual garbage on this blog. Something you and many other Duke Lacrosse Apologists choose to ignore probably because they direct their juvenile mischief making and mockery against those who support views other than the metanarrative you all hold. This will mark one of the few times the general public in Durham will get to read a take other then the metanarrative they have been fed for so long. One that they've come to accept as fact. By the way, facts are irrefutable. Opinions are not.

December 21, 2017 at 9:16 PM

Hey, kenhyderal.

Thanks for the great post. I like your ending statement "Facts are irrefutable. Opinions are not." Is that a kenhyderalism?"

Sidney, prove it is a fact that Crystal told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.; December 22, 2017 at 11:20 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"Anonymous Anonymous said...
Krnhyderal:

You claim rhat AG Cooper was pressured to proclaim the Lacrosse players innocent. This is the only pressure to which AG Cooper was subjected:

"The Wilmington Journal, part of North Carolina’s Black Press network, threatened state Attorney General Roy Cooper with political retaliation if he failed to hammer the lacrosse players. Again, the question of whether they had committed a sexual assault of any kind seemed quite secondary. In a January 18 open letter from 'North Carolina’s African-American community, and anyone else who believes true justice comes from the gavel of a judge, not the demands of a mob; or slick, race-baiting baiting defense attorneys,” the paper demanded a comprehensive review of “the team’s drunken, perverted party last March.' The editorial urged Cooper to consider charges of obstructing justice against every person who attended the party because they had refused to speak with Sgt. Mark Gottlieb before consulting with an attorney. The editorial also demanded that the attorney general ignore public opinion, concluding with an implicit threat to seek political retribution against him: 'After all, as a Democrat, just like Mike Nifong, you need the Black vote for any future political aspirations.'”

Taylor Jr., Stuart. Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (pp. 332-333). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.

Now you will refer to William Cohan's Price of Silence.I remond you, Cohan himself admitted he did not document his allegations. KC Johnson and Stuary Taylor provided extensive documentation for what they wrote.

December 22, 2017 at 5:04 AM

Hey, Anony.

Very interesting. I would very much like to read the actual January 18th open letter itself, but my search (The Wilmington Journal, Roy Cooper, Duke Lacrosse) directs me only to Stuart Taylor's book and not the opinion piece. Also, do you know what year the January 18th open letter was published? Do you know what individual(s) drafted the open letter that politically threatened Roy Cooper?

I and, I'm sure, other commenters and visitors to this site would like to read the open letter. Would you be able to provide a LINK to it? I would research it more, but don't have the time. Thanks."

I quoted from UPI which quoted from the newspaper. The source was given in the print edition of UPI, which you avoid like Dracula avoids the cross.; December 22, 2017 at 1:13 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Since it's better that ten guilty go free then one innocent be jailed (Blackstone's Ratio) the burden is on the prosecution to come up with irrefutable facts. AG Cooper said: "The result of our review and investigation shows clearly that there is insufficient evidence to proceed on any of the charges" In other words, we don't have the facts to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that they did it. Then he expressed an opinion: "Based on the significant inconsistencies between the evidence and the various accounts given by the accusing witness, we "believe" these three individuals are innocent of these charges". Because US Justice is selective and corrupt this important protection is never championed for the poor and the marginalized, like Crystal, but only to the wealthy and well connected."

Kenny, just like you distorted the situation, a distortion as gross as the distortion you tried to pass off as truth, that DA Nifong did not charge the Lacrosse defendants eith rape.

Check out: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1268888/. That is AG Cooper's written statement on the case, form which comes this excerpt:

"Our investigation shows that:

The eyewitness identification procedures were faulty and unreliable. No DNA confirms the accuser's story. No other witness confirms her story. Other evidence contradicts her story. She contradicts herself. Next week, we'll be providing a written summary of the important factual findings and some of the specific contradictions that have led us to the conclusion that no attack occurred."

AG Cooper's statement was not simply that there was not enough evidence to convict. There was zero evidence.

You like to say ypu have not fallen off the turnip truck/ I say that is because you never got to the top of the turnip truc. You fell off trying to climb up and destroyed any capacity for objective thinking you might have had.; December 22, 2017 at 2:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

AG Cooper did not, as you did claim, say that there was evidence of a crime but no enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. He clearly said there was no evidence of a crime.

Consider this. Crystal did have the option of filing a civil suit. Remember, after OJ was acquitted of murder the Goldman and Brown families filed a civil suit, for wrongful death. The standard of proof in a civil suit is a preponderance of the evidence. If the evidence breaks 51-49 for the plaintiff the plainttiff prevails.

Did Crystal ever consult a trial lawyer? Willy Gary did initially get involved but then departed. Trial lawyers take civil suits on a contingency feer basis, the lawyer gets a percentage of the award, usually 1/3. The Lacrosse defendants had deep pockets. They were refuted to have collected multimillion settlements from Duke. If any trial lawyer ever did consult with Crystal, there was no civil suit resulting. Which in turn would say there was not even a bare preponderance of evidence a crime happened.; December 22, 2017 at 3:11 PM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK UBES

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SPIN UBES SPIN; December 22, 2017 at 8:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Once again the not at all great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo manifests its limited vocabulary and its lack of intelligence.; December 23, 2017 at 2:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny likes to say that AG Cooper was pressured to declare the Lacrosse payers innocent. Kenny how about you give some documentation. Or are you going to say you do not have to give documentation because you believe it.

Sort of like you saying you do not need proof Crystal was telling the truth when she claimed she had been raped because you trust her.; December 23, 2017 at 4:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny and Sidney remain incapable of providing proof to back up their claims.; December 23, 2017 at 6:28 AM
Anonymous said...: The not so great non entity which styles itself as the Great Kilgo does not remain incapable. It was incapable from the first time it manifested itself on J4N.; December 23, 2017 at 6:29 AM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: CAN’T YOU DO BETTER THAN THAT UBES?

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QUACK; December 23, 2017 at 9:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Once again the not at all great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo manifests its limited vocabulary and its lack of intelligence.; December 23, 2017 at 10:36 AM
Anonymous said...: the not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo is back spouting off its limited vocabulary and manifesting its nonn existent intelligence.; December 23, 2017 at 10:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr

Prove Crystal told the truth when she alleged she had been raped.

So far you haven't even tried.; December 23, 2017 at 10:40 AM
Anonymous said...: The non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo is back again manifesting its limited vocabulary and its total lack of intellectual capacity.; December 23, 2017 at 10:41 AM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: HOW COULD IT BE UBES?????

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QUACK; December 23, 2017 at 10:44 AM
Anonymous said...: The not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo is back as impotent as ever.; December 23, 2017 at 11:23 AM
Anonymous said...: The not so great non entity which styles himself as the great kilgo is as frustrated as ever.; December 23, 2017 at 12:15 PM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: YOU MISS THE POINT UBES

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SPIN UBES SPIN; December 23, 2017 at 2:54 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "Kenny likes to say that AG Cooper was pressured to declare the Lacrosse payers innocent. Kenny how about you give some documentation. Or are you going to say you do not have to give documentation because you believe"................................ Nationally renown Criminal Defence Lawyer Joe Cheshire is experienced enough not to leave public evidence of any political pressure he might apply or direct against an Attorney General. Others think differently. Here is a contemporary opinion from the blog Poetic Justice by poet playwright and educator Vance C. Holmes. "The factual validity of the woman's (Crystal's) allegations of sexual assault and kidnapping will never be known since, after a year of unrelenting pressure from high profile lawyers, well-placed pundits and determined bloggers, the State of North Carolina is refusing to move forward with a search for the truth." The inappropriately named Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers and the KC Johnson blog Durham in Wonderland are examples of such determined and purposeful bloggers and the MSNBC pundit, justice correspondent, and Duke alumni Dan Abrams an example of a well placed pundit. Not to mention Mommy Rae Evans.; December 23, 2017 at 3:28 PM
Anonymous said...: The not so great non entity which styles himself as the great kilgo is as frustrated as ever.; December 23, 2017 at 3:41 PM
Anonymous said...: go fuck yourself kenny.; December 23, 2017 at 5:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"''Dr. Anonymous said: "Kenny likes to say that AG Cooper was pressured to declare the Lacrosse payers innocent. Kenny how about you give some documentation. Or are you going to say you do not have to give documentation because you believe'................................

"Nationally renown Criminal Defence Lawyer Joe Cheshire is experienced enough not to leave public evidence of any political pressure he might apply or direct against an Attorney General."

As I have said before, PROVE PROVE PROVE!!! Your uncorroborated allegations are proof of nothing but your guilt presuming racism.

"Others think differently."

That presumes these people can think.

Here is a contemporary opinion from the blog Poetic Justice by poet playwright and educator Vance C. Holmes. 'The factual validity of the woman's (Crystal's) allegations of sexual assault and kidnapping will never be known since, after a year of unrelenting pressure from high profile lawyers, well-placed pundits and determined bloggers, the State of North Carolina is refusing to move forward with a search for the truth.'"

That is but another uncorroborted allegation, just like Crystal's allegation she was raped. The factual validity of Crystal's allegations is non existent. The only pressures any one exerted in the Duke Rape Hoax were 1) the pressure Nifong exerted on people like members of the Lacrosse team to give perjured incriminating testimony against their teammates, the pressure Nifong exerted on Moez Emosafa to change his story supporting Reade Seligman's alibi, the pressure Nifong exerted on Kim Roberts Pittman to back off from denying Crystal had been raped, and the pressure exerted upon AG Cooper to prosecute the defendants in the face of zero evidence that the crime ever happened(and you have admitted there is no evidence). what specific instances of "unrelenting pressure from high profile lawyers, well-placed pundits and determined bloggers". He has given none, just like William Cohan gave no documentation of the allegations he made. Vance Holms, judging from what I have just read about him is as much a legal expert as you and Sidney, and that is something less than faint praise. What are his credentials as a legal expert?

"The inappropriately named Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers and the KC Johnson blog Durham in Wonderland are examples of such determined and purposeful bloggers"

You mean appropriately named Liestoppers. KC Johnson did nothing expose the inconsistencies and deficiencies of Nifong's case against the innocent Lacrosse players, which defiencies and inconsistencies were more than adequately documented by AG Cooper's investigation.

"and the MSNBC pundit, justice coroprespondent, and Duke alumni Dan Abrams an example of a well placed pundit."

And you are again expressing your racist guilt presuming dislike of people who do see the truth and who do not buy into your obsession with imagining Crystal had been raped.

"Not to mention Mommy Rae Evans", who did nothing but stand up to the corrupt, bullying DA Nifong who was trying to convict her innocent son so Nifong could win the election for DA and pad his retirement benefits. Mrs. Evans remark about corrupt Nifong came in late January of 2007 AFTER the NC State Bar had filed ethics charges against Corrupt Nifong.

One thing that never ceases to amaze me is the amount of Bullshit you fling out in a vain attempt to find your way around facts which do not mesh with your guilt presuming racism, to support your obsession to believe that that this woman whom you supposedly care about was brutally gang raped. Why can't you live without that obsession.; December 23, 2017 at 5:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Any strings the not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo are attached to certain areas of his body.; December 23, 2017 at 5:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

That you cite Vance C. Holmes as your expert shows neither you nor Sidney can get any real legal or medical expert to support your guilt presuming racist views.; December 23, 2017 at 5:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Vance C.Holmes, like you and fails to live up to the principle, the one who asserts has the obligation to prove. Vance C. Holmes says that here was no search for the truth. But he provides no evidence to support what he calls the truth. It is but an admission he does not know what he presumes to talk about. Like you and Sidney, he dislikes Caucasian people who are more accomplished than he ever will be.; December 23, 2017 at 5:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

From Until Proven Innocent:

"“Brutally honest, unflinching, exhaustively researched, and compulsively readable, Until Proven Innocent excoriates those who led the stampede—the prosecutor, the cops, the media—but it also exposes the cowardice of Duke’s administration and faculty. Until Proven Innocent smothers any lingering doubts that in this country the presumption of innocence is dead, dead, dead.” —John Grisham"

Taylor Jr., Stuart. Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (p. 431). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.

"“From the Scottsboro Boys to Clarence Gideon, some of the most memorable legal narratives have been tales of the wrongly accused. Now Until Proven Innocent, a new book about the false allegations of rape against three Duke lacrosse players, can join these galvanizing cautionary tales. Taylor and Johnson have made a gripping contribution to the literature of the wrongly accused.” —Jeffrey Rosen, The New York Times Book Review

Taylor Jr., Stuart. Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (p. 431). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.

“This compelling narrative dramatizes the fearsome power of unscrupulous police and prosecutors to wreck the lives of innocent people, especially when the media and many in the community rush to presume guilt. The inspiring story of how these defense lawyers turned the tables on a dishonest DA points to the crying need for reforms to give defendants of modest means a fighting chance when law enforcement goes bad.”—Nadine Strossen, president, American Civil Liberties Union, and professor of law, New York Law School

Taylor Jr., Stuart. Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (p. 431). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.

“A gripping, meticulous, blow-by-blow account of the whole grotesque affair. I could not put the book down—it is beautifully written, dramatic, and full of insights, exposing how vulnerable the prosecutorial system is to abuse and how ready the liberal media and PC academics are to serve as leaders of the lynch mob. A must read for anyone who cares about individual rights and justice.” —William P. Barr, former Attorney General of the United States

Taylor Jr., Stuart. Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case (p. 431). St. Martin's Press. Kindle Edition.

Has Vance C. Holmes received any such high regard for his blog? If he has provide documentation. So far you have been reluctant to provide any documentation to back up your assertions.; December 24, 2017 at 1:35 AM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal:

Check out http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/final-duke-rape-report-issued

This will take you through Roy Cooper's final report. It documents that Vance Holmes LIES when he claims there was a concerted effort to cover up what happened to Crystal.

It is not at all surprising that someone so insensitive to the truth, who believes that the uncorroborated claim by Crystal should have been enough to presume the defendants guilty would cite a liar as evidence of a cover up.; December 24, 2017 at 1:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Isn't time for you to adopt your alter ego as the not so great non entity which styles itself as the G=great kilgo and start spinning and quacking again.; December 24, 2017 at 2:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/file/final-duke-rape-report-issued?page=3

This is a link to page 3 of the AG's written report. It proves that the AG did a thorough investigation of the allegations of rape, something your boy Nifong never did-I remind you that Nifong admitted in his ethics trial that neither did he or anyone in his office talk directly to Crystal.

My opinion is, Vance C. Holmes lied when claimed there was no effort on the part of anyone in NC to determine the merit of Crysta's allegations.; December 24, 2017 at 2:47 AM
Anonymous said...: For Sidney Harr:

You have proclaimed on this blog that Nifong would not have courted the black vote because courting the black vote would cause the candidate to lose the election.

In the passage I quote from UPI, a black newspaper said that any Democratic candidate in North Carolina would need the support of the Black electorate.

Another example that you know nothing of what you presume to pontificate.; December 24, 2017 at 5:06 AM
Anonymous said...: It;s about time for the not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo to respond and believe he is making something called ubes is responding to him.; December 24, 2017 at 10:30 AM
Anonymous said...: Where is the not so great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo?; December 24, 2017 at 1:01 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

I hope that you all have a wonderful Christmas and a great year in 2018.

I have been working extremely hard, as usual, and expect that next year will be the year Crystal receives long-delayed justice.

As you were.; December 24, 2017 at 5:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

"HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

I hope that you all have a wonderful Christmas and a great year in 2018.

I have been working extremely hard, as usual, and expect that next year will be the year Crystal receives long-delayed justice.

As you were."

Crystal was supposed to be released last year, the year before that, the year before that and so on and so on and so on.

In any event Crystal received justice when she was convicted for the murder of Reginald Daye. The only delays in her receiving justice was her refusal to cooperate with her counsel.; December 24, 2017 at 5:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Let's make it an even 200.

Where is the not at all great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo?; December 24, 2017 at 5:49 PM

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Wednesday, December 6, 2017

Crystal Mangum's Habeas Corpus

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