justice4nifong: Crystal Mangum's Motion for Release on Recognizance Pending Habeas Petition Ruling

Sunday, February 4, 2018

Crystal Mangum's Motion for Release on Recognizance Pending Habeas Petition Ruling

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Anonymous said...: For Sidney Hare:

part 2:

https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1094&context=faculty_publications

"DSI issued a ten-page laboratory report on May 12, 2006,"

"The following significant, albeit obscure, sentence also appeared in
the report:
Individual DNA profiles for non-probative evidence specimens and
suspect reference specimens are being retained at DSI pending notification
of the client [Nifong].14
This sentence masked the fact that powerfully exculpatory results had
been obtained even before the first Meehan-Nifong meeting on April
10. After Nifong recused himself, DSI submitted an amended lab report
(January 12, 2006) at the request of the Attorney General's office.
The above sentence was revised, now reading:
Individual DNA profiles for evidence specimens (item numbers 15772,
15776, 15785, 15816-15818) consistent with male profiles that did not
match DNA profiles from any reference specimens and DNA profiles for
reference specimens . . . were being retained at DSI pending notification
from the client . . .. 15
The items cited came from the rape kit. As Professor Mosteller has
noted, the difference between the two reports is "striking" ,---- the
"language of the first report suggests inconsequential results; the
revised report's language speaks of significant and exculpatory
conclusions." 16 In short, the defense remained in the dark, aware that
testing had revealed multiple unidentified male DNA fragments in the rape kit items.

"On October 27, 2006, Nifong provided i ,844 pages of DSI's documents
and materials, including tables of alleles and electropherograms,
but not a complete written report or a summary of the Nifong-Meehan
conversations~ In short, these materials VJere turned over without any
synopsis of their contents."; February 27, 2018 at 5:46 AM
Anonymous said...: For Sidney Harr:

part 3:

The NTO was issued on March 10, 2006.

DNA Security gave Nifong a report on May 12 2006.

Brian Meehan testified under oath that he and Nifong agreed not to give the results of the Male DNA found on Crystal to the defense attorneys.

In response to a judge's order, Nifong turned over 1844 pages of raw data to the defense and not a report to the defense months after he had the report.

So explain how Nifong was in compliance with Article 14 of the North Carolina code, specifically with § 15A-282. "Copy of results to person involved.
A person who has been the subject of nontestimonial identification procedures or his attorney must be provided with a copy of any reports of test results as soon as the reports are available."; February 27, 2018 at 5:53 AM
Anonymous said...: For Nifong part 4:

The material tested by DNA security was the material obtained by the NTO. Section 15A-282 applies to the results obtained by DNA Security.; February 27, 2018 at 5:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr;

You posted that Nifong might have believed the evidence found by DNA Security was not exculpatory.

There are two scenarios in which a prosecutor would not recognize the DNA evidence found by DNA Security as exculpatory

Scenario 1: The prosecutor was completely incompetent.

Scenario 2: The prosecutor was thoroughly corrupt and was trying to convict innocent men.; February 27, 2018 at 8:50 AM
Anonymous said...: For Kenny and Sidney:

Regarding the male DNA found on Crystal's rape kit.

If I am correct, Nifong claimed he and Meehan had decided not to release the information to the Defendants and their counsel of concern for the privacy of the men who had deposited the DNA

The Durham DA office said the justification for the NTO was that the DNA found on Crystal would identify the rapists. Kenny has been preaching that the male DNA found on Crystal had come from unidentified non Lacrosse player party attendees.

If the DNA had come from unidentified rapists at the party, if Nifong was truly concerned about the privacy of the men who had left their DNA on Crystal, was he or was he not concerned about the privacy of the real rapists? Was he or was he not, by his concern, trying to shield the real rapists from prosecution.

And if Nifong was trying to shield the real rapists from prosecution so he could prosecute members of the Lacrosse team, how could he have been a decent honorable minister of justice?

Oh what a tangled Sidney and Kenny did weave when they first tried to deceive.; February 27, 2018 at 9:51 AM
Anonymous said...: oops!

I meant to say, Oh what a tangled web Sidney and Kenny did weave when they first tried to deceive; February 27, 2018 at 9:53 AM
Anonymous said...: For Kenhyderal:

For Kenhyderal, who argues that the Lacrosse case should have gone to trial:

Do you believe the defendant in a criminal trial is entitled to an impartial jury?

from https://www.cbsnews.com/news/politics-playing-role-in-duke-case/:

"Irving Joyner, a law professor at North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, says Nifong made this case too public, too soon.

'When it's tried," Joyner told Regan, "there'll be very few people who will have not heard about the case, making an impartial jury selection almost impossible.'"

When you said Crystal was entitled to have her complaint adjudicated were you saying that Crystal was entitled to have her complaint adjudicated by an non-impartial jury?

Judging from Nifong's actions in the case the non-impartial jury would have been biased against the defendants. Would you advocate that a black defendant accused of a crime against a caucasian(a term William Cohan used to describe the members of the Lacrosse team who were ordered to give samples for DNA analysis) be tried by a jury biased against him?; February 27, 2018 at 1:12 PM
Anonymous said...: For Sidney Harr:

You claimed that AG Cooper did not really conduct an investigation of the Duke Lacrosse incident, that his that his team just bided its time and then made up a report.

This reference says something different:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/duke-athletes-rape-case-over-but-deep-wounds-remain/:

"After reviewing the case for 12 weeks and interviewing witnesses, including the accuser, Cooper’s team concluded there was no credible evidence of an attack — no DNA evidence and no witnesses who could corroborate the woman’s accusations. One of her accounts was contradicted by time-stamped photographs and phone records.

A written summary of those factual findings will be released next week. Cooper added that perjury charges against the accuser were considered but ultimately rejected. “Our investigators think that she may actually believe the many different stories that she has been telling,” he said."

And I have given you a link to the AG's report.; February 27, 2018 at 1:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

You yourself have never done any serious investigation.; February 27, 2018 at 1:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr:

More about your assertion that the AG did not really investigate the Duke Lacrosse incident.

from http://amptoons.com/blog/?p=3297:

"The North Carolina chapter of the N.A.A.C.P. released a statement saying it respected and accepted the work of the attorney general’s office. Irving Joyner, a law professor at North Carolina Central University, who had been monitoring the case for the N.A.A.C.P., echoed that theme, saying, 'Based on my personal knowledge of him and high respect of him, I accept his conclusions'".; February 27, 2018 at 1:40 PM
Anonymous said...: For Knhyderal who claims that black on white racism does not happen:

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/27/local/me-lbhate27:

"A judge Friday found that eight black teenagers beat three white women in Long Beach out of racial hatred, ending a divisive trial that was muddled by conflicting testimony and accusations of witness intimidation.

Judge Gibson Lee upheld nearly all of the prosecution's counts in a case that roiled this diverse city with its core allegation: that nine girls and a boy visited a well-to-do part of Long Beach on Halloween night and beat three women to the ground because they were white.

Lee threw out the case against the youngest defendant, a girl who turned 12 the night before the attack. The testimony linking her to the crime was a single statement that she was "throwing newspapers around at the girls." Another was convicted of the assault but not of a hate crime.

On the courthouse steps, Deputy Dist. Atty. Brian Schirn, who supervised the case, said the victory was not something to cheer about."; February 27, 2018 at 1:43 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "And I have given you a link to the AG's report"....................This report was tailored to provide cover for his preferred course of action to not prosecute scions of privilege.; February 27, 2018 at 1:49 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Do you believe the defendant in a criminal trial is entitled to an impartial jury?"............................................ Yes but that was not afforded to Crystal Mangum in the Daye case; February 27, 2018 at 1:53 PM
Anonymous said...: More for Kenny and the Black on White racism which he has proclaimed does not exist:

part 1:

http://jewishjournal.com/opinion/14431/

"The nine black youths who beat three young white women have now been sentenced by a Juvenile Court judge, and there’s only one problem.

While these “kids” could
have killed their victims, the judge slapped them on the wrists lightly and sent them home. Astoundingly, after finding the nine defendants guilty of intent to cause bodily harm, with hate crime enhancements, the judge then reversed direction and gave them probation?

A tenth youth was acquitted."

The basic facts of the case are that last Halloween, a pack of black youths, with no evidence of any provocation, set upon three young white women who had come to an upscale part of Long Beach known to attract trick-or-treaters. Out of the larger crowd of attackers, 10 were identified and placed on trial.

After a lengthy process, that saw witness intimidation from gang members (one was forced to move; another had her car totaled), the expectation was — that if found guilty — a verdict and sentence would be handed down that delivered a strong message of intolerance for such uncivilized acts.

Instead, another message was delivered — that racism in its black guise will be treated with leniency and “understanding,” since this kind of racial retribution is an undesirable but understandable outgrowth of historic mistreatment at the hands of whites. What complete rubbish.

In case you wondered, according to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Affairs, out of the 1.2 million cases of interracial crimes each year, 90 percent involve a black perpetrator and a white victim. The interests of law and order and a civil society were not served well by this judge’s sentences.

What highlights the crass, crude and bigoted nature of this ugly mass attack is the fact that Loren Hyman, one of the three victims, is both Jewish and Latino, but like a pack of hyenas converging on some yearling antelopes, this crowd was in no mood to parse out the finer points of ethnic and religious identity.

However, while these defendants have escaped culpability, others have not been brought before any judge. Ten black youths were put on trial, but it has been estimated that between 25 to 40 black teens surrounded Hyman, Laura Schneider and Michelle Smith last Halloween.

This was no routine youthful fracas — the attacks left Loren with more than a dozen facial fractures, a serious injury to her jaw, partial loss of sight in one eye and a recessed eye socket. Schneider was knocked unconscious and suffered a concussion.

One male attacker knocked one of the girls unconscious with a skateboard, while another was stomped as she lay unconscious.; February 27, 2018 at 2:35 PM
Anonymous said...: More for Kenny about Black on White racism which he claims does not exist:

Part 2:

According to both victims and witnesses, the attackers hurled anti-white slurs while beating the girls.

And to add insult to injury, on the day that four of the defendants were being released from custody to the comfort of their homes, Hyman was undergoing a seven-hour surgery to repair her shattered eye socket — the outcome of which is still unknown.

The rationale for giving probation, say Juvenile Court officials, is to promote rehabilitation — something presumably a harsher sentence couldn’t have accomplished? But, how can rehabilitation occur, when the parents and the teens have remained defiant, without any remorse.

Yes, they admit they were there but claim somebody else beat the girls. OK, I get it. They’re not guilty of an ugly assault; they’re actually, uh, victims.

But then the whole affair is bizarre, lodged squarely in the midst of the politics of racial identity. What if the scenario were reversed? For instance, what if the pack of black thugs who attacked these girls was white skinheads and their victims had been several young black youths?

Would the national media have virtually ignored the incident? Would every nationally known black leader have swooped into town, set up an encampment at the Long Beach Courthouse and demanded justice for the victims?

Wouldn’t everybody from the mayor to the governor and beyond be demanding that the judge send a message against racism? And, what if a judge handed down a sentence of probation for the skinhead scumbags — would the city have escaped massive “social justice” marches, with its leaders lustily yelling, “No justice, no peace”? Get the picture?

Some of us still remember the ugly incident on the first day of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, you know, the one where white trucker Reginald Denny was set upon by several black thugs and nearly killed, simply for being white and in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some excused the actions of the thugs who beat Denny, saying it was misdirected black rage, but in no way was it racism.

Fast forward that tape to 2007, and we find Farai Chedeya, a black National Public Radio show host, saying shortly after the Long Beach attacks that “… some people say black folks cannot be racists because the root of the issue is power.”

What a convenient dodge. I wonder if that came to the mind of the victim as a black thug broke a skateboard over her head, sending her into unconsciousness. Now that’s power.; February 27, 2018 at 2:36 PM
Anonymous said...: More for Kenny and his claim black on white racism does not exist:

psrt 3:

"Some of us still remember the ugly incident on the first day of the 1992 Los Angeles riots, you know, the one where white trucker Reginald Denny was set upon by several black thugs and nearly killed, simply for being white and in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some excused the actions of the thugs who beat Denny, saying it was misdirected black rage, but in no way was it racism."

So, if someone called the Scottsboro Boys incident misdirected white rage, it would not have been racism?

If someone had called the Ku Klux Klan of reconstruction misdirected white rage it would not have been a racist organization?; February 27, 2018 at 2:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal,
No one believes any of what you say. Why insist?; February 27, 2018 at 3:04 PM
kenhyderal said...: Why was the sentence for such horrific crimes so lenient? Yes it would be racism if simply because of their race they were afforded more lenient treatment than the crimes demanded. I would like to hear what led up to what appears to be a sentence disproportionate to the crimes as reported. As pointed out by Miss Chideya to qualify as racism, as opposed to bigotry, hatred or intra-racial violence, there must be an imbalance of power where those with the power can deny others equality. Virtually all academics agree with this concept which means unless there is a black power structure black on white racism, regardless of anecdotal examples can not exist; February 27, 2018 at 4:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhuyderal:

"Why was the sentence for such horrific crimes so lenient? Yes it would be racism if simply because of their race they were afforded more lenient treatment than the crimes demanded. I would like to hear what led up to what appears to be a sentence disproportionate to the crimes as reported. As pointed out by Miss Chideya to qualify as racism, as opposed to bigotry, hatred or intra-racial violence, there must be an imbalance of power where those with the power can deny others equality. Virtually all academics agree with this concept which means unless there is a black power structure black on white racism, regardless of anecdotal examples can not exist"

Ten black kids against 3 women and you say there was not an element of black over white power involved?

Your bullshit gets more pathetic every day.

Did you ever notice that many of the people pushing the Duke Rape hoax were black academics, Houston the farm animal Baker(farm animal is a term he used to refer to a member of the Lacrosse tean, Karla Holloway, Wahneema Lubiano, Grant Farred, Mark "thuhgniggger intellectual(his description of himself)-And you say these faculty members were powerless over the innocent Lacrosse players.

Are you saying William Barber, who was the head of the NC NAACP who was anti Lacrosse player was a powerless individual?; February 27, 2018 at 4:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny are you saying the New Black Panthers who marched into Durham proclaiming the Lacrosse players guilty, threatening their lives, demanding they be found guilty were not exerting power.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/new-black-panther-party

“The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and antisemitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers.”; February 27, 2018 at 4:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"I would like to hear what led up to what appears to be a sentence disproportionate to the crimes as reported."

From the links I gave you there was no provocation of the incident on the part of the victims.; February 27, 2018 at 4:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: "And I have given you a link to the AG's report"....................This report was tailored to provide cover for his preferred course of action to not prosecute scions of privilege."

Another incidence of Kenhyderal trying to bullshit his way through and around facts which do not mesh with his racist guilt presumption.

Unlike you and your mentor Sidney, AG Cooper and his staff did a thorough investigation into the case. The only pressure exerted on AG Cooper was pressure exerted on him by a black published newspaper to prosecute and convict the defendants.; February 27, 2018 at 4:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: "Do you believe the defendant in a criminal trial is entitled to an impartial jury?"............................................ Yes but that was not afforded to Crystal Mangum in the Daye case".

Considering your guilt presuming attitude towards why Nifong went after men who could not have perpetrated the rape Crystal alleged, that Nifong did not indict the Lacrosse players for rape, that Nifong believed he could frighten them into fingering others as rapists by prosecuting them for sexual assault and kidnapping, that Nifong did not need DNA evidence to convict them of sexual assault(I remind you that the sexual assault alleged by Crystal was a rape in which her assailants had deposited their DNA on her, your assertion that Crystal was entitled have her claim adjudicated, which meant she had a right to have those she had accused put on trial, when there was no evidence the crime she had alleged ever happened, you have no concept of what a fair trial, what an impartial jury are.; February 27, 2018 at 5:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

More on your claim, "This report was tailored to provide cover for his preferred course of action to not prosecute scions of privilege."

PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PTOVE that the so called "scions of privilege" ever committed any crime against Crystal. Unless and until you do, this is another piece of bullshit you promulgate to push your way around and through facts wh pich do not mesh with your guilt presuming racism.; February 27, 2018 at 5:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Sorry for the typo in PTOVE; February 27, 2018 at 5:11 PM
Anonymous said...: I also intended to type which, not wh pich.

Kenny, feel free to gloat over my typos.

That would not change the demonstrated fact you are a guilt presuming racist.; February 27, 2018 at 5:16 PM
Anonymous said...: Udaman Ubes.; February 27, 2018 at 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny or Sidney or both continue to post anonymously to create the illusion that they have support.; February 27, 2018 at 5:48 PM
guiowen said...: So if I understand Kenny correctly, he cannot possibly be a racist. It is true that he hates white people, but according to Chideya, this hatred is not important because white people have too much power, so Kenny is justified in his hatred.
Very clever argument, Kenny!; February 27, 2018 at 6:36 PM
A Reasonable Man said...: "...A minutely crafted and carefully reference review that is unfortunately highly selective, mirroring AG Cooper's report. He fails to mention that three witnesses testified that Crystal arrived seemingly sober but only became impaired after being handed a drink that appeared to suddenly and precipitously incapacitate her. After her alleged sexual assault and while still impaired she was taken to the intake center where she suddenly recovered and showed no signs of intoxication."

A most excellent rebuttal, Kenhyderal. Why have you never written it up and submitted it to Fordham Review?; February 27, 2018 at 6:55 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: "It is true that he hates white people"................... Shame on you. A patently untrue defamation. Too bad you have resort to tis kind of slander. Such a lie really says more about you than it does about me.; February 27, 2018 at 9:26 PM
kenhyderal said...: Reasonable Man said: "A most excellent rebuttal, Kenhyderal. Why have you never written it up and submitted it to Fordham Review?"..............................A sarcastic man is a wounded man. I, of course, have no qualifications that would entitle me to submit an article for publication in that Journal.; February 27, 2018 at 9:36 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Are you saying William Barber, who was the head of the NC NAACP who was anti Lacrosse player was a powerless individual?"......................Former head of the NC NAACP did not succeed in getting Justice for minorities in NC with his Moral Monday protests.; February 27, 2018 at 9:45 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
I think you've made it clear that you hate white people. I once believed you were racist, but you've made it clear that you cannot be a racist. So your behavior can only be explained by hatred.
But don't worry, we long ago gave up expecting honorable behavior from you.; February 27, 2018 at 10:39 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal:

"Guiowen said: "It is true that he hates white people"................... Shame on you. A patently untrue defamation. Too bad you have resort to tis kind of slander. Such a lie really says more about you than it does about me."

Your hateful attitude towards innocent men falsely accused of and wrongfully prosecuted for a crime which never happens establishes you as someone who hates white people.; February 28, 2018 at 2:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Reasonable Man said: "A most excellent rebuttal, Kenhyderal. Why have you never written it up and submitted it to Fordham Review?"..............................A sarcastic man is a wounded man. I, of course, have no qualifications that would entitle me to submit an article for publication in that Journal."

You have zero qualifications to comment meaningfully on anything, as you have so often documented in the gatbage you post on this blog, e,g, Reade Seligmann and Collin FInnerty were present in the Lacrosse house at the time the alleged crime allegedly happened.; February 28, 2018 at 2:45 AM
Anonymous said...: ssKenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: "Are you saying William Barber, who was the head of the NC NAACP who was anti Lacrosse player was a powerless individual?"......................Former head of the NC NAACP did not succeed in getting Justice for minorities in NC with his Moral Monday protests."

The Moral Monday protests happened in 2013, and are irrelevant to the Duke Lacrosse Hoax of 2006 and irrelevant to William Barger's support of the wrongful prosecution when he was in power as head of the NC NAACP. Another instance of you trying to bullshit your way around and through facts which do not mesh with your guilt presuming racism..; February 28, 2018 at 2:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE that Crystal had been raped at the Lacrosse party.

PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE that Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty were at the Lacrosse party at the time the alleged crime allegedly happened.

PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE that there were unidentified non lacrosse player rapists at the Lacrosse party.

PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE that Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player friend exists

To sum up, PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE that the assertions you make are true.; February 28, 2018 at 3:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

The only instances of presssure or intimidation in the Duke Rape Hoax were:

Nifong's attempt to intimidate members of the Lacrosse team into giving false information to the police which would incriminate other members of the Lacrosse team.

Nifong's attempt to intimidate Moez Elmostafa into changing his statement supporting Reade Seligmann's alibi.

The Newo Black Panthers' attempt to intimidate the wrongfully accused Lacrosse defendants.

The Pot Bangers' attempt to intimidate the Lacrosse team.

The Gang of 88's attempt to intimidate the members of the Lacrosse team.

The black owned Wilmington Newspaper's attempt to intimidate AG Roy Cooper into continuing the wrongful prosecution of the falsely accused Lacrosse players.

The NC NAACP's attempt to influence the judicial process ia its list of 80+ torts and wrongs, most of which were false allegations, attributed to the Lacrosse team.; February 28, 2018 at 3:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Udaman Ubes.; February 28, 2018 at 3:18 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny or Sidney or both continue to post anonymously to create the illusion that they have support.; February 28, 2018 at 3:24 AM
A Reasonable Man said...: " I, of course, have no qualifications...."

You could've just stopped right there.

interesting that you have no qualifications to submit an article to Fordham Review, yet you continue to post what can only be described as garbage here.

How about this -- We leave the medical arguments to the physicians, and the legal arguments to the lawyers (we'll include "lay advocate" here as well, since it is his site).

That seems reasonable to me.; February 28, 2018 at 7:03 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny thinks he knows more about clinical medicine than any doctor. Kenny thinks he knows more about the law than any lawyer. How does he know that. He has yet to fall off the turnip truck. If that is true, it is only because he lacked the ability to get on the turnip truck in the first place.; February 28, 2018 at 7:47 AM
Anonymous said...: UdaUbes Man; February 28, 2018 at 8:44 AM
kenhyderal said...: Reasonable Man said: "interesting that you have no qualifications to submit an article to Fordham Review, yet you continue to post what can only be described as garbage here" ............. One probably needs to be a Law Student at Fordham University to submit a paper.; February 28, 2018 at 9:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Reasonable Man said: "interesting that you have no qualifications to submit an article to Fordham Review, yet you continue to post what can only be described as garbage here" ............. One probably needs to be a Law Student at Fordham University to submit a paper."

You still have zero qualifications to comment meaningfully on anything, on this forum or on any forum any where in the world.; February 28, 2018 at 9:23 AM
kenhyderal said...: Reasonable Man said: "How about this -- We leave the medical arguments to the physicians, and the legal arguments to the lawyers (we'll include "lay advocate" here as well, since it is his site)"........................ In general yes but there are times when doing so has bad consequences. In the final analysis a person has the right and the duty to autonomously act ands speak in their own best interests. For me, I would never put my life in the hands of the like of the physician, I style here, as "Dr. Anonymous" nor would I let many of the Lawyers I've encountered advocate for me. I want my physician to be a man of compassion like Dr. Harr and my advocate to be a seeker of Justice like former DA Nifong or, as well, a lay-advocate like Sidney Harr; February 28, 2018 at 9:28 AM
kenhyderal said...: Reasonable Man said: You still have zero qualifications to comment meaningfully on anything, on this forum or on any forum any where in the world"................. You're beginning to sound quite unreasonable. I may not be a Physician or a Lawyer but I am not without some qualifications; February 28, 2018 at 9:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal,
You can always submit an article to the Fordham Law Review. It will be subject to peer review, which means -- given your very poor arguments -- that it will not be accepted.
You can also send a letter to the editor. This has a good chance of being accepted.; February 28, 2018 at 9:38 AM
A Reasonable Man said...: "Reasonable Man said: You still have zero qualifications to comment meaningfully on anything, on this forum or on any forum any where in the world"..

I did not state this -- some anonymous user did. Perhaps reading comprehension is one of those qualifications you lack.

"One probably needs to be a Law Student at Fordham University to submit a paper."

One probably should read the submissions guidelines before making statements that are provably false.

http://fordhamlawreview.org/submissions/; February 28, 2018 at 9:53 AM
A Reasonable Man said...: " I want my physician to be a man of compassion like Dr. Harr and my advocate to be a seeker of Justice like former DA Nifong or, as well, a lay-advocate like Sidney Harr"

Pray you never need medical attention or legal assistance.; February 28, 2018 at 9:55 AM
kenhyderal said...: A Reasonable Man said: "I did not state this -- some anonymous user did. Perhaps reading comprehension is one of those qualifications you lack"................. My apologies. I need to pay more attention to who I am responding to. No need for sarcasm. It's unfortunate so many here post anonymously. Do they lack the courage of their convictions or do they wish to say outrageous things without consequences?; February 28, 2018 at 10:12 AM
A Reasonable Man said...: "It's unfortunate so many here post anonymously. Do they lack the courage of their convictions or do they wish to say outrageous things without consequences?

Both. Neither.

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth>"
-- Oscar Wilde; February 28, 2018 at 10:17 AM
kenhyderal said...: The truth as they see it or as they wish it to be. Unfortunately his wise observation is true. That still makes them cowards. I say stand and be counted.; February 28, 2018 at 10:24 AM
A Reasonable Man said...: Canada has a passive-aggressive culture, with a lot of sarcasm and righteousness...; February 28, 2018 at 10:25 AM
A Reasonable Man said...: "The truth as they see it or as they wish it to be..."

Pot. Meet Kettle.; February 28, 2018 at 10:33 AM
A Lawyer said...: Dr. Harr:
This discussion has moved far from the subject of your original sharlog, which was your motion for Mangum's release pending her appeal of the denial of her habeas corpus petition.

What happened to that motion? Did the State respond? Did the court rule?

What about the appeal itself? Did you/Mangum file your opening biref? Did the state respond?

You exhibit a great lack of transparency with regard to your many legal filings. You always post your lawsuits or motions, but never the responses to them or the courts' rulings.; February 28, 2018 at 10:37 AM
FakeKenhyderal said...: I'm fairly sure Sid's..err..Crystal Mangum's Motion for bail/release pending appeal was denied on 20 February.

If true, Sid has failed to mention this for 8 days....; February 28, 2018 at 10:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Reasonable Man said: "How about this -- We leave the medical arguments to the physicians, and the legal arguments to the lawyers (we'll include "lay advocate" here as well, since it is his site)"........................ In general yes but there are times when doing so has bad consequences. In the final analysis a person has the right and the duty to autonomously act ands speak in their own best interests. For me, I would never put my life in the hands of the like of the physician, I style here, as "Dr. Anonymous" nor would I let many of the Lawyers I've encountered advocate for me. I want my physician to be a man of compassion like Dr. Harr and my advocate to be a seeker of Justice like former DA Nifong or, as well, a lay-advocate like Sidney Harr.

Sidney is a medical school graduate who was never accepted into residency training, who never achieved medical specialty board certification and who spent an abbreviated post medical career filing and losing frivolous lawsuits. That is a track record for an incompetent physician and not at all a track record of a compassionate physician. Kenhyderal has a death wish if he would rather be seen by Sidney Harr than by a competent physician.

So far as Nifong, this is his track record in the Duke Rape Hoax. He learned of the incident. Before he ever investigated he went public proclaiming that the crime happened, the perpetrators were members of the Lacrosse team, and the crime was racially motivated. He made public statements inflaming the public against them, statements which were undermining of basic constitutional rights, the right to counsel, the right to remain silent, and he presumed guilt. He got information which conclusively proved no one on the Lacrosse team could have raped Crystal, that no rape had happened. He proceeded with the case anyway. He looked for further information on the case and got more information which conclusively proved that no one on the Lacrosse team ever raped Crystal. Violating NC State and US Federal law he concealed that information from the defendants.

That is the track record of a thoroughly corrupt prosecutor, not an advocate for justice.

I repeat, Kenhyderal you show yourself singularly unqualified to comment meaningfully on anything, on this forum, on any forum in the world.

Trying to bullshit your way around and through facts which do not mesh with your guilt presuming racism is not meaningful comment.; February 28, 2018 at 11:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"A Reasonable Man said: "I did not state this -- some anonymous user did. Perhaps reading comprehension is one of those qualifications you lack"................. My apologies. I need to pay more attention to who I am responding to. No need for sarcasm. It's unfortunate so many here post anonymously. Do they lack the courage of their convictions or do they wish to say outrageous things without consequences?"

Kind of an hypocritical statement considering outrageous stuff Kenny has posted here.

When informed of Crystal's police statement which alleged a DNA depositing rape, the affidavit which described a DNA depositing rape, that Nifong sought and got indictments for each of the defendants for first degree forcible rape, that the DNA found on Crystal did not match the DNA of the three men who had been indicted, Kenny insisted not once but twice, on different occasions, that Nifong did not indict the Lacrosse players for rape.

When challenged to prove Crystal had been raped, and I do remember this even if Kenny denies it, he said he did not need proof because he trusted Crystal. That is tantamount to saying the accused should have been convicted solely on Crystal's word, which is awfullly similar to what certain racists were saying in the case of the Scottsboro boys, that the defendants should have been convicted solely on the word of the false accusers.

Yet more evidence that Kenny is incapable of making any meaningful comment on this forum or on any forum in the world.; February 28, 2018 at 11:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

" Blogger kenhyderal said...

The truth as they see it or as they wish it to be. Unfortunately his wise observation is true. That still makes them cowards. I say stand and be counted. "

You stand your ground as incapable of making meaningful comments, of being incapable of recognizing the truth, of the purveyor of untruth(Crystal was raped), AND AS BEING A GUILT PRESUMING RACIST!!!; February 28, 2018 at 11:51 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE!!!

PROVE the following allegations you have made:

Crystal had been raped;

Nifong was seeking justice;

Nifong did not charge the Lacrosse defendants with rape;

There were unidentified non Lacrosse players at the party who raped Crystal;

That some entity which styled itself as Kilgo told you an anonymous Lacrosse player told him he had witnessed the rape(I recall you saying on this blog you believed Kilgo because what he told you agreed with what Crystal told you);

That this anonymous Lacrosse player has never emerged in the 12 plus years since the Duke Rape Hoax became news.; February 28, 2018 at 12:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Correction of That this anonymous Lacrosse player has never emerged in the 12 plus years since the Duke Rape Hoax became news.

It should have read that you prove That this anonymous Lacrosse player has never emerged in the 12 plus years since the Duke Rape Hoax became news exists.; February 28, 2018 at 12:02 PM
Anonymous said...: "Anonymous A Reasonable Man said...

"It's unfortunate so many here post anonymously. Do they lack the courage of their convictions or do they wish to say outrageous things without consequences?

Both. Neither.

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth>"
-- Oscar Wilde

February 28, 2018 at 10:17 AM
Blogger kenhyderal said...

The truth as they see it or as they wish it to be. Unfortunately his wise observation is true. That still makes them cowards. I say stand and be counted."

Kenny, PROVE that what you see as the truth is the truth. Since you are asserting, you assume the obligation to prove.; February 28, 2018 at 12:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

You have said that Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligman were present in the Lacrosse house at the time the alleged crime allegedly happened.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1858806

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/04/finnerty-timeline.htmlwo

Although you would doubt them, both links give factual evidence that Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann were not present in the Lacrosse house at the time the alleged crime alleedly happened.

How about you provide factual evidence they were.; February 28, 2018 at 12:51 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "You have said that Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligman were present in the Lacrosse house at the time the alleged crime allegedly happened'...............................When did I say that?; February 28, 2018 at 1:17 PM
kenhyderal said...: A Reasonable Man said: "Canada has a passive-aggressive culture, with a lot of sarcasm and righteousness"...................... You really should attribute that quote to it's author. Donald Trump put it another way. "We lose a lot with Canada. People don't know it," he said. "Canada's very smooth: They have you believe that it's wonderful, and it is – wonderful for them. Not wonderful for us." Not wanting to be righteous but here's what U.S. News and Reports has to say: " A new ranking that evaluated countries on everything from economic influence, power, citizenship and quality of life, has declared Switzerland the world's best country for 2018, with Canada finishing runner-up. it's the second time the Swiss have topped U.S. News & World Report's Best Countries report, which looked at 80 countries for this year's ranking. After Switzerland, Canada, Germany, the U.K. and Japan round out the top five spots -- all countries with progressive social and environmental policies, analysts note.
A new ranking that evaluated countries on everything from economic influence, power, citizenship and quality of life, has declared Switzerland the world's best country for 2018, with Canada finishing runner-up.
It's the second time the Swiss have topped U.S. News & World Report's Best Countries report, which looked at 80 countries for this year's ranking.
After Switzerland, Canada, Germany, the U.K. and Japan round out the top five spots -- all countries with progressive social and environmental policies, analysts note.
Nordic countries like Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway are also heavily represented on the list and top other subcategories thanks to their famously progressive social policies: Denmark, for instance, is named the best country for women, and for raising children, while Norway ranks the top country for citizenship.
The category of citizenship considers a country's record on human rights, gender equality and religious freedom. "The Best Countries rankings continue to show us that just as brands must focus on a wide range of attributes to raise profiles and win over audiences, nations that are multidimensional and that reflect a wider range of qualities, such as innovation and compassion, have the brand appeal that propels them on the global stage." New this year, respondents were also asked to evaluate major world leaders. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and German Chancellor Angela Merkel were deemed the most respected leaders globally, while U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin received the dubious distinction of receiving the worst approval ratings. To determine the top countries, Y&R's BAV Group and The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania (Trump's Alma Mater) developed a model that identified 65 attributes, which were then presented in a survey to more than 21,000 business leaders, elites and general citizens around the world. participants assessed how closely they associated an attribute with a nation.
Here are the top 10 countries on the Best Countries 2018 list:
Switzerland
Canada
Germany
United Kingdom
Japan
Sweden
Australia
United States
France
Netherlands
"The Best Countries rankings continue to show us that just as brands must focus on a wide range of attributes to raise profiles and win over audiences, nations that are multidimensional and that reflect a wider range of qualities, such as innovation and compassion, have the brand appeal that propels them on the global stage." New this year, respondents were also asked to evaluate major world leaders. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and German Chancellor Angela Merkel were deemed the most respected leaders globally, while U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin received the dubious distinction of receiving the worst approval ratings.; February 28, 2018 at 1:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Dr. Anonymous said: "You have said that Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligman were present in the Lacrosse house at the time the alleged crime allegedly happened'...............................When did I say that?"

Be careful of what you wish for because you might get it.

"Anonymous quoting a Ph.D. thesis of Melanie Harris Boston College on the Duke Lacrosse Case said: "Approximately forty men from the Duke Lacrosse team attended." If that approximation is correct it means only 6 did not attend. However there has never been a list compiled of who was there at the time. OF COURSE FINNERTY AND SELIGMANN WERE THERE BUT CLAIMED TO HAVE LEFT(emphasis added) and two guests were identified who were caught in photographs. Sherwood was not tested.

February 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM"

Now PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE that Collin Finnerty and Reade Sekigmann were there.

chdck out http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_duke_timeline.html

check out http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/04/duke-lacrosse-rape-timeline.html

check out http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2007/04/finnerty-timeline.html

These sites give evidence that neither Reade Seligmann nor Collin Finnerty were present in the house at the time the alleged crime allegedly happened.

What evidence can you present that they were.; February 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM
A Reasonable Man said...: "A Reasonable Man said: "Canada has a passive-aggressive culture, with a lot of sarcasm and righteousness"...................... You really should attribute that quote to it's author.

Just checking your Canadian knowledge Kenny...

For those unfamiliar with the quote, it's from Kenny's fellow Canadian, Alanis Morissette.

Isn't it ironic, don't you think?; February 28, 2018 at 2:03 PM
guiowen said...: To Anony 1:59
How can you expect Kenny to remember anything he said? It's not in context.; February 28, 2018 at 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal, in case you decide to delete your comment, here it is copied and pasted again:

" Blogger kenhyderal said...

Anonymous quoting a Ph.D. thesis of Melanie Harris Boston College on the Duke Lacrosse Case said: "Approximately forty men from the Duke Lacrosse team attended." If that approximation is correct it means only 6 did not attend. However there has never been a list compiled of who was there at the time. Of course Finnerty and Seligmann were there but claimed to have left and two guests were identified who were caught in photographs. Sherwood was not tested.

February 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM"; February 28, 2018 at 2:20 PM
Anonymous said...: So, a Canadian is a wounded man.

Is that correct, Wounded Kenny, eh?; February 28, 2018 at 2:20 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "Be careful of what you wish for because you might get it."......................Read what I wrote. I said they were at the party but claimed to have left before the incident took place. I have noted in the past, though, that in the case of Seligmann DA Nifong was sceptical of his alibi. Stop desperately trying to find lies in what I post.; February 28, 2018 at 2:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny, here it is copied and pasted again, in case you try to institute personal posterior camouflage by deleting the original comment:

Blogger kenhyderal said...

Anonymous quoting a Ph.D. thesis of Melanie Harris Boston College on the Duke Lacrosse Case said: "Approximately forty men from the Duke Lacrosse team attended." If that approximation is correct it means only 6 did not attend. However there has never been a list compiled of who was there at the time. Of course Finnerty and Seligmann were there but claimed to have left and two guests were identified who were caught in photographs. Sherwood was not tested.

February 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM; February 28, 2018 at 2:42 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Anonymous said: "You stand your ground as incapable of making meaningful comments, of being incapable of recognizing the truth, of the purveyor of untruth(Crystal was raped), AND AS BEING A GUILT PRESUMING RACIST!!!" ............................You don't seem to understand the meaning of that expression https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-stand-your-ground; February 28, 2018 at 2:49 PM
kenhyderal said...: @ Dr. Anonymous 2:42 : Once again you're making yourself look foolish but hey let's let the readers decide if what I said constitutes a lie.; February 28, 2018 at 2:54 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Dr. Anonymous said: "Be careful of what you wish for because you might get it."......................Read what I wrote. I said they were at the party but claimed to have left before the incident took place. I have noted in the past, though, that in the case of Seligmann DA Nifong was sceptical(sic) of his alibi. Stop desperately trying to find lies in what I post."o

Kenhyderal again trying to bullshit his way around and through facts which are not favorable to him.

Kenhyderal did say in his post of February 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM, "Of course Finnerty and Seligmann were there but claimed to have left", NOT "they were at the party but claimed to have left before the incident took place." Check what you posted in your comment of February 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM. I have copied it and posted it twice

Nifong was not skeptical of Reade Seligmann's alibi, he was afraid of it. He refused to look at the alibi evidence-a prosecutor who was looking out for the rights of the defendant would have looked at the evidence-a prosecutor who believed he could impeach the evidence would not have hesitated to look at it. And Nifong did engage in witness intimidation-Nifong had Moez Elmostafa arrested on weak charges of aiding and abetting in a shop lifting incident, had him asked if he wanted to change his statement supporting Reade Seligmann, then had him tried, in which trial it was revealed how weak the case against Moez Elmostafa was.

Specifically, it was said that a surveillance video showed Mr. Elmostafa speeding away from the site of the shoplifting with the shop lifter in his car. The video did not show that. The prosecution brought in the shop lifter to have her testify that Mr. Elmostaft had been her accomplice. She testified he was not.

http://johnsville.blogspot.com/2006/08/duke-case-cabbie-escapes-nifongery.html; February 28, 2018 at 3:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Dr. Anonymous said: "You stand your ground as incapable of making meaningful comments, of being incapable of recognizing the truth, of the purveyor of untruth(Crystal was raped), AND AS BEING A GUILT PRESUMING RACIST!!!" ............................You don't seem to understand the meaning of that expression https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/to-stand-your-ground"

Yes standing your ground is "If you stand your ground or hold your ground, you continue to support a particular argument or to have a particular opinion when other people are opposing you or trying to make you change your mind."

People are standing their ground when they refuse go be convinced by you that Crystal had been raped, that the alleged crime allegedly happened on the night of 13/14 March of 2006, that members of the Lacrosse team had either perpetrated or participated or both in the alleged crime. Why do you have so much heartburn about people who stand their ground against your LIES.

Yes you stand your ground, but you stand your ground for a very foul, heinous, dishonorable cause, convincing the pugblic that Crystal had been raped and that members of the Lacrosse team had perpetrated or participated or both in the crime, in the face of evidence which shows conclusively that the alleged crime never happened, that Crystal ever told the truth when she alleged the crime haad happened.

I will say this again, and I stand my ground on this, I do recall you posting on this forum that you do not need proof that Crystal had been raped because you trusted her,and I stand my ground in saying that is tantamount to saying the Lacrosse players should have been convicted solely on the word of Crystal. I stand my ground that this attitude is the same kind of attitude of the racist persecutors of the Scottsboro boys, that the accused should have been convicted solely on the words of the false accusers, and the Scottsboro boys were facing capital punishment. I stand my ground, because of his, that you are as racist as the persecutors of the Scottsboro boys.; February 28, 2018 at 3:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"@ Dr. Anonymous 2:42 : Once again you're making yourself look foolish but hey let's let the readers decide if what I said constitutes a lie."

I stand my ground that you are a liar, based on your claim that Nifong did not charge the Lacrosse players with rape, your lie that Reade Seligmann and Collin Finerty were present at the Lacrosse party at the time of the alleged crime.

I repeat;

What you said in your comment of February 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM was, "Of course Finnerty and Seligmann were there but claimed to have left", not as you said in your comment of February 28, 2018 at 2:36 PM, "they were at the party but claimed to have left before the incident took place."

You should take the advice of A Reasonable Man and take a serious course in reading comprehension. You obviously fail to comprehend what you yourself have written.; February 28, 2018 at 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Udaman Ubes.; February 28, 2018 at 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...: UdaUbes Man.; February 28, 2018 at 3:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny or Sidney or both continue to post anonymously to create the illusion that they have support.; February 28, 2018 at 3:49 PM
Anonymous said...: More for Sidney and Kenny, and it deals with the question should a prosecutor respect the rights of a criminal defendant.

The 6th amendment guarantees the right to counsel. The Miranda warnings inform a subject that the subject has a right to counsel and that counsel will be appointed for him if he can not afford counsel.

Nifong's initial public statements besides proclamations that a crime had happened, members of the Lacrosse team were the perpetrators and that the crime was racially motivated, included statements to the effect that the players' daddies would hire expensive lawyers to get them off, and, why would someone need a lawyer if he had not been charged and had done nothing.

Explain how those statements, made about a group of people who Nifong did allege had committed a crime, respect the rights of those people to counsel.

Explain how those statements did not call the availing of one's right to counsel guilt presuming.

Since Sidney has said that no one ever proved Crystal lied when she alleged she had been raped, that no one ever proved the defendants innocent. both of which were patently false, it is obvious that Sidney does not believe that Caucasian men(that is how William Cohan described them) accused of a crime against a black woman are entitled to due process, entitled to be presumed innocent.; March 1, 2018 at 2:28 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

One more time:

"Blogger kenhyderal said...

Anonymous quoting a Ph.D. thesis of Melanie Harris Boston College on the Duke Lacrosse Case said: "Approximately forty men from the Duke Lacrosse team attended." If that approximation is correct it means only 6 did not attend. However there has never been a list compiled of who was there at the time. Of course Finnerty and Seligmann were there but claimed to have left and two guests were identified who were caught in photographs. Sherwood was not tested.

February 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM"; March 1, 2018 at 2:40 AM
Anonymous said...: Udaman Ubes.; March 1, 2018 at 3:20 AM
Anonymous said...: UdaUbes Man.; March 1, 2018 at 3:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny or Sidney or both continue to post anonymously to create the illusion that they have support.; March 1, 2018 at 3:32 AM
Anonymous said...: pubes the ubes man

or is it man the pubes ubes?; March 1, 2018 at 3:39 AM
Anonymous said...: One more for Sidney:

Why do you say that someone had to prove Crystal lied to establish the innocence of the Lacrosse players?

Why do you say no one proved the Lacrosse players were innocent.

Answer yes or no. In a criminal case does the prosecutor have the obligation to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendants are guilty?

How can a prosecutor prove a defendant gu9lty beyond a reasonable doubt when said prosecutor has no evidence the alleged crime ever happened?; March 1, 2018 at 3:43 AM
Anonymous said...: Yet one more for Sidney who has called Nifong a decent honorable minister of justice(monster of justice would have been more appropriate).

Nifong did make a statement that when the Lacrosse players remained silent it was good legal advice but not good moral advice. Under the Constitution of the US, criminal defendants are guaranteed protection against self incrimination, which includes the right not to talk to the authorities if they believe doing so would incriminate them. How was Nifong respecting the right of the defendants to protection against self incrimination when he made that statement>

Hint: He wasn't.; March 1, 2018 at 4:12 AM
Anonymous said...: Another one for Sidney:

I stand my ground that you have blogged that Nifong's public statements were not improper because no one had been formally indicted or charged. That is bullshit. Nifong did in public accuse members of the Lacrosse team of perpetrating the crime of rape against Crystal.

Nifong's statements were not, if there were any witnesses to corroborate the accuser's allegation please come forth. His statements was, there was a crime, there were witnesses and those witnesses are not coming forth.

So explain why that was not guilt presumption. Explain why guilt presuming public statements by a prosecutor under any circumstances show said prosecutor is a decent honorable minister of justice.; March 1, 2018 at 4:19 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney, the relevance of all this is, you have claimed Crystal was raped by men described by your wacko-lyte Kenny as "scions of privilege". You have claimed that she was prosecuted for trumped up charges of murder because she had accused said "scions of privilege".

Well, Crystal was never raped, and no one ever tried to retaliate against her for making a false accusation of rape against innocent men.; March 1, 2018 at 4:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney, what shows that Nifong actually was a decent honorable minister of justice?; March 1, 2018 at 4:40 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr, regarding the previous comment:

You will probably reply that when Nifong realized he could not make a case for rape he dropped the rape charges while a win at all costs prosecutor would have continued to prosecute for rape. You are willfully blind to the actual circumstances.

Crystal alleged she had been raped on the night of 13/14 March 2006. Nifong never had her interviewed by anyone in his office until December of 2006(is that the act of a prosecutor seeking justice for his complaining witness-no). In that interview she said she could not recall actually being penetrated(so much for your claim that Crystal has always maintained she had been raped) and penetration is an element of the crime.

Nifong had information early on in the case, in early April of 2006, that no rape had happened, the report of the SBI crime lab that the rape kit materials showed no evidence of semen, blood or saliva. He went to the community forum at NCCU and told the audience he was going to prosecute for rape anyway. He sought and got indictments for first degree forcible rape against three members of the Lacrosse team. He engaged DNA Security to test the rape kit materials for evidence which would support his case. He got information that blew his case out of the water, the only DNA found on Crystal's person did not match the DNA of the men he had indicted, and he did deliberately conceal that evidence from the defendants, violating NC Law and violating Federal Law(Brady vs. Maryland).

Nifong should have dropped the charges in December of 2006, after Crystal had changed her story. When he continued to prosecute for sexual assault and kidnapping he was believing he could still convict the Lacrosse defendants of a felony sex crime in spite of the total lack of evidence, the total lack of DNA evidence. That is not the act of a decent, honorable minister of justice. That was the act of a corrupt prosecutor out to get a conviction, nothing more.

If Nifong did believe he could convict the defendants of sexual assault without DNA evidence, that shows he was not only corrupt but incompetent. I remind you, the affidavit for Probable Cause described the sexual assault as a rape in which the perpetrators had deposited their DNA. Crystal's police statement described the sexual assault as a rape in which the perpetrators had deposited their DNA on her. The NTO requiring the Caucasian(that is how William Cohan described them) members of the team to give samples for DNA analysis said the DNA found on the accuser would identify the rapists. There is no way Nifong could have kept the DNA evidence out of the prosecution.

And I remind you, the DNA found on Crystal did not match the DNA of the men Nifong had indicted for first degree forcible rape.

So, PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE that Nifong was seeking justice and not just seeking convictions.; March 1, 2018 at 5:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

You challenged me to document you said that you did not need proof that Crystal had been raped because you trusted her.

This is what you wished for and you are going to get it:

" kenhyderal said...

Dr. A said: "you have zero proof that Crystal ever told you the truth". ..... BECAUSE CRYSTAL IS A PERSON I TRUST I HAVE NO NEED OF PROOF(emphasis added). You have zero proof certain things you Parents told you were true. Hearing things from those you trust requires no proof of veracity. Kilgo's second-hand account coincides with what Crystal told me happened your third-hand account does not. Or is your son a Duke Lacrosse Player?

December 2, 2017 at 8:31 AM"

I repeat:

This is what you posted:

"BECAUSE CRYSTAL IS A PERSON I TRUST I HAVE NO NEED OF PROOF(emphasis added)"

That is what you said. Even if you deny it, your statement does mean you believe the Lacrosse players should have been convicted solely on the word of Crystal Mangum. I say yet again, the attitude of the racist persecutors of the Scottsboro Boys was, they should have been convicted solely on the word of the false accusers.

So I stand my ground, that you are as racist as the persecutors of the Scottsboro boys. The only difference is that your racism is directed at the three Caucasian(that is how William Cohan described them) defendants.

Now try to bullshit your way through and around this one.; March 1, 2018 at 10:29 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

To establish a crime had happened and that the defendants were the perpetrators, Nifong had to do more than trust Crystal. He had to provide proof which showed beyond a reasonable doubt that Crystal actually had told the truth.; March 1, 2018 at 10:32 AM
Anonymous said...: With regard to "certain things you(sic) Parents told you were true", when my parents told me those things, it was not in the context of an accusation of a crime. Read what I said above.

To establish that a crime happened, and the defendants are guilty, the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. It is by no means enough for a prosecutor to say to the Jury, I trust her.; March 1, 2018 at 10:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

more from your statement of December 2, 2017 at 8:31 AM:

"Kilgo's second-hand account coincides with what Crystal told me happened your third-hand account does not. Or is your son a Duke Lacrosse Player?"

Again the context is a criminal trial.

When is a second hand account of what happened proof of criminality.

It is another iteration of your view, that the Lacrosse players should have been convicted on the word of Crystal.; March 1, 2018 at 10:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

More from your comment of December 2, 2017 at 8:31 AM:

"Hearing things from those you trust requires no proof of veracity."

So you are saying that if Nifong trusted Crystal, he had no obligation to prove the case, let alone prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.; March 1, 2018 at 10:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal;

Let's bring it up to an even 500:

My last post shows yet again that you are into guilt presumption.

Is that part of the Justice system in your beloved Canada?

It is not part of the Justice system in the US, although I do concede that the case of the Scottsboro boys was a case of racist guilt presumption.

I stand my ground that your guilt presumption is every bit as racist as the guilt presumption shown the Scottsboro boys.; March 1, 2018 at 10:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal;

501

If Kilgo's allegation is true because you trust him, then why has his anonymous Lacrosse player friend not emerged in almost 12 years.

Sidney tries to(blasphemously in my opinion) to equate Crystal with the victims of the recently emerged incidents of women who actually were sexually harassed. Once one victim came forth, other victims came forth to offer corroborating evidence.

In the nearly 12 years since the Duke Rape Hoax became an issue, the nearly 11 years since AG Cooper exposed the hoax for what it was, no one has come forth to corroborate Crystal's allegations.

If you say that it is because they have been intimidated, then I say I stand my ground that you need to do more than simply assert it, you have to PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE it. Saying you need no proof because you trust Crystal is but an admission you can not prove any of the BS you have promulgated.; March 1, 2018 at 11:03 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhydral:

502:

Nothing you have posted corroborates Crystal's allegation she had been raped.; March 1, 2018 at 11:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny has proven it - he remembers someone who used to lurk here, who he insists said it and then disappeared. If some random person says something Kenny agrees with, that is absolute proof. If anyone else says something Kenny disagrees with, it's not.; March 1, 2018 at 1:01 PM
kenhyderal said...: Kilgo didn't lurk here, like you, he was a prominent and prolific poster with a registered Google Account and user name. Those here who were also present at the time certainly remember him. He was outspoken, irreverent and he had particular disgust for David Evans He maintained that he had first hand knowledge of the alleged crime. He went to the considerable time and effort to delete months and months, thousand upon thousands of posts, each one requiring a dedicated procedure and having to log back in after each. Only the poster can delete ones own posts. One can only speculate why he did this. I have two theories; one, his informer Lacrosse Player friend, not wanting to break rank with his fellows, begged Kilgo to cease and desist. The other, a more troubling explanation is that somebody bought him off or scared him off. Those mischief maskers who impersonate Kilgo here might want to reflect on that.; March 1, 2018 at 4:56 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Kilgo didn't lurk here, like you, he was a prominent and prolific poster with a registered Google Account and user name. Those here who were also present at the time certainly remember him. He was outspoken, irreverent and he had particular disgust for David Evans He maintained that he had first hand knowledge of the alleged crime."

Kilgo was full of crap. Not surprising that you would regard someone as full of crap as Kilgo as a reliable source. Your regard for Kilgo is because, as you have stated, what he said meshes with what you believe about Crystal, i.e. your guilt presuming racism. As there was no crime, kilgo had no reason to maintain David Evans had any such knowledge. As David Evans stated at his press conference, the alleged crimes were fantastic lies, and history has proven him correct. Kenny, you yourself have documented you can provide no factual proof that any crime ever happened. Would you like me to copy and paste your post from December 2, 2017 at 8:31 AM again?

"He went to the considerable time and effort to delete months and months, thousand upon thousands of posts, each one requiring a dedicated procedure and having to log back in after each. Only the poster can delete ones own posts. One can only speculate why he did this."

Kilgo never put up thousands of posts, and all his allegations were totally devoid of credibility as Kilgo himself documented, via his repeated backing down whenever challenged to put up or shut up.

"I have two theories;"

Both of them bogus.

"one, his informer Lacrosse Player friend, not wanting to break rank with his fellows, begged Kilgo to cease and desist."

No, Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player does not exist and never has existed. Just like you have provided zero evidence Crystal was ever raped, you have provided zero evidence Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player exists. Reputable investigative journalists(not William Cohan but reputable investigative journalists) have documented there was no lack of cooperation from the Lacrosse team. Maintaining one's innocence when one knows no crime was committed, refusing to give bogus incriminating information to a rogue corrupt prosecutor is not refusal to cooperate. I again remind you you have conceded you can not give any factual evidence that the alleged crime ever happened.

"The other, a more troubling explanation is that somebody bought him off or scared him off."

A more credible explanation is that Kilgo did not want to be outed as a fraud.

"Those mischief maskers who impersonate Kilgo here might want to reflect on that."

For Kenny the arch, incompetent mischief maker, PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE Kilgos anonymous lacrosse player exists.; March 1, 2018 at 5:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyhdral:

PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE PROVE kilgo knnew anything about the Duke Lacrosse hoax.; March 1, 2018 at 5:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Notice how Kenny tries to DENY DENY DENY facts which do not mesh with his racist guilt presumption by employing the techniques of DUCK DODGE AND RUN FROM said facts.; March 1, 2018 at 5:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny, your style is to pull things out of the thin air and then pass them off as facts.

Kilgo had the same style, e.g. when he said David Evans shaved off his incriminating mustache-all the photos taken in connection with the Duke Rape Hoax, including the photos included in Corporal David Addison's wanted poster, show David Evans never had a mustache.

According to you, Kilgo told you someone showed him a picture of David Evans with a mustache. It must have been Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player friend, maybe.

So I will stand my ground on this issue, that Kilgo is something you fabricated.; March 1, 2018 at 5:52 PM
Anonymous said...: OOPS!

Correction:

According to you, Kilgo told you someone showed him a picture of David Evans with a mustache. It must have been Kilgo's non existent anonymous Lacrosse player friend, maybe.; March 1, 2018 at 5:55 PM
The Great Kilgo said...: Kenhyderal,
Pleas help me! This fellow Shooto won't ljsdjisu; March 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM
desconocido said...: Kenhyderal,
Por favor ven a Durham! Tu amigo el gordito Kilgo esta en muy mal estado, y Sconnosciuto no lo va a soltar a menos de que que vengas! Apurale!; March 1, 2018 at 6:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Udapubes Ubes.; March 1, 2018 at 8:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny or Sidney or both continue to post anonymously to create the illusion that they have support.; March 1, 2018 at 8:18 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "A more credible explanation is that Kilgo did not want to be outed as a fraud".................................. Outed to who? All the Duke Lacrosse Apologists on this blog? If he was perpetrating a fraud who were his victims? Someone scared him off and it surely wasn't you bunch. He didn't seem to be the sort of person who would frighten easily. Paid to disappear?; March 1, 2018 at 9:16 PM
guiowen said...: Actually, it's my understanding that he's bumped his head rather hard. That's why he knows only two words: "spin" and "ubes".; March 1, 2018 at 10:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

"Anonymous said: "A more credible explanation is that Kilgo did not want to be outed as a fraud".................................. Outed to who?"

Outed to the public, to whom he boasted on a number of occasions he knew more about the Duke Lacrosse incident than anyone. If he knew anything near as much as he claimed, he would not have backed down each and every time he was challenged to put up or shut up.

"All the Duke Lacrosse Apologists on this blog?"

Yes, to all the apologists for the innocent young men who were falsely accused of and wrongfully prosecuted for a non existent crime. I again remind you, you yourself have conceded you can not provide any factual evidence that Crystal had been raped and that you believe, Scottsboro style, that they should have been convicted solely on the word of the false accuser. You, on the other hand, ARE an apologist, an apologist for a false rape accuser/victimizer/convicted criminal/convicted murderess.

"If he was perpetrating a fraud who were his victims?"

You for one, by taking advantage of your obsession with believing that this woman, whom you claim you like and respect, had been brutally gang raped.

"Someone scared him off and it surely wasn't you bunch."

It was himself who scared him off, his fear as being outed as a fraud.

"He didn't seem to be the sort of person who would frighten easily."

When challenged to put up or shut up to prove he knew as much about the Lacrosse rapr Hoax as he alleged, he was always too frightened to put up. He always backed down.

"Paid to disappear?" In the words of your mentor, the delusional megalomaniac Sidney Harr, HAH!!! As there is and never was any factual evidence that Crystal had been raped, and you yourself concede there was no factual evidence, there is no rational reason to believe anyone would consider that Kilgo needed to be paid off. This is something which you have grabbed out of the air and then tried to pass off as fact, just like you grabbed out of the air that Nifong did not have the Lacrosse defendants charge with rape.

If you want anyone to believe Kilgo had been paid off, PROVE PROVE PROVE that there was a reason anyone would want to pay him off. To do that you would have to PROVE PROVE PROVE that Crystal had been raped and you have conceded you can not.; March 2, 2018 at 2:22 AM
Anonymous said...: For Guiowen @ March 1, 2018 at 10:25 PM:

The not at all great non entity which styles itself as the great kilgo also knows the word quack, but it can not use it because Sidney has banned the word quack.

Could it be that Sidney does not want to be outed as a quack?

If so, it was meaningless for him to ban the word, as he has on multiple occasions outed himself as a quack.; March 2, 2018 at 2:25 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal:

Explain the inconsistency:

"Someone scared him off and it surely wasn't you bunch."

"He didn't seem to be the sort of person who would frighten easily."

"one, his informer Lacrosse Player friend, not wanting to break rank with his fellows, begged Kilgo to cease and desist."

I say, you claim he would not be scared off easily,but then, according to you, he backed off not because he was scared but because his anonymous Lacrosse player friend(which anonymous Lacrosse player friend you can not prove actually exists) would not back him up.

I stand my ground that Kilgo did scare easily and was afraid of being outed as a fraud.; March 2, 2018 at 3:51 AM
A Reasonable Man said...: "I have two theories; one, his informer Lacrosse Player friend, not wanting to break rank with his fellows, begged Kilgo to cease and desist. The other, a more troubling explanation is that somebody bought him off or scared him off. Those mischief maskers who impersonate Kilgo here might want to reflect on that."

Since you admit Kilgo "...was outspoken, irreverent and he had particular disgust for David Evans..", wouldn't you agree that a reasonable third theory is that some of his comments were potentially libelous, so rather than expose himself to possible legal action, he removed his comments?
He had a registered google account, it would be (theoretically) possible to track down the real person behind the comments.; March 2, 2018 at 9:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Udaman A Reasonable Man.; March 3, 2018 at 5:54 AM
Inconnu said...: Alors, Kenhyderal,
Est-ce que tu vas venir a Durham, pour aider ton ami le gros Kilgo?; March 3, 2018 at 8:12 AM

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