justice4nifong: Before the NC Court of Appeals: Harr v. WRAL-5 News

Wednesday, June 19, 2019

Before the NC Court of Appeals: Harr v. WRAL-5 News

43 comments:

Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 15 days until Independence Day.

There are 42 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 19, 2019 at 4:32 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous A Ronnie Long Supporter said...
I have written letters to the AG’s office on behalf of Mr. Long. I did not expect (nor have I received) a response. I personally believe that the best way to combat a legal injustice such as Mr. Long has been facing is to let those in a position to do what is right know that WE know that they are the ones who can and should intercede.

I am also aware that there are many more who have done the same.

With that said, I haven’t been able to find much actual information that makes me feel quite the same way regarding the innocence of Ms.
Mangum.

Outside of your group, who else is involved with the, for lack of a better term, “Free Crystal Mangum” movement? I’d like to speak to someone with a more objective view of her case and find out what, for them, was the defining moment when they came to the realization that she was unfairly jailed.

I haven’t had much time to go through you blog, however. I actually found it by accident while looking for updates on Mr. Long’s case. I’ll leave off here until I’ve had any opportunity to read more.

June 17, 2019 at 8:20 PM

Hey, Ronnie Long Supporter.

I believe that your opinion about notifying those in power that we know there are problems with Mangum's case is a good strategy. I have written such letters on behalf of Mangum, as have many Bay Area residents who've specifically submitted handwritten letters to Governor Roy Cooper. However, you, me, and Joe-Blow average citizen will be ignored by the governor, attorney general, and Durham district attorney. What I have tried unsuccessfully (with the exception of a single letter by NC Representative Mr. Shelly Willingham) is to get politicians, civil rights organizations (NAACP, ACLU, Southern Christian Leadership Conference, etc.), innocence projects, attorneys, clergy, and others in position of influence to write letters on Mangum's behalf.

(End of part one); June 19, 2019 at 4:33 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: (Beginning of part two)

The problem Mangum has is similar to O.J. Simpson's Vegas trial, in which he was convicted of kidnapping and burglary and served nine years as payback. He's unsympathetic because the public believes that he was responsible for his wife and Mr. Goldman's deaths; ergo, neither the courts, media, nor public care if justice and the rule of law were suspended in his case. For Mangum the retaliation against her is due to the media espoused belief that she falsely accused three Duke Lacrosse players of sexual assault. Besides, she's a stripper, and of course, African American. So no one in a position of influence and/or power is willing to stick their neck out to seek justice for her.

As far as information regarding Mangum's innocence, the ONLY place that you'll find the truths of Mangum's case is on this blog site. Many of the sharlogs contain copies of actual documents from prosecution discovery. The mainstream media has consistently misled its readers with its agenda-driven journalism. For example, during the entire week of Reginald Daye's comatose state, there was not a single article about his medical condition or the esophageal intubation responsible for it. Another blatant example of bias media reporting is the reference of Reginald Daye's demise as being "a stabbing death" or that he was "stabbed to death." Flagrantly false!

The advantages I have over media is that I have a copy of prosecution discovery, I visit Crystal Mangum weekly and talk on the phone with her multiple times a week, and I have a medical background enabling me to understand cause of death issues and fraudulence in the autopsy report on Daye. However, I believe that even if mainstream media had evidence of Mangum's innocence they would not publish it. I have no doubt that the media in general is aware of Mangum's innocence in the murder charge, which accounts for the dearth of articles about her.

in my blogsite, you will find plenty of information, exhibits, and evidence regarding the murder case in which Mangum was falsely convicted. Facts don't change, and I have been arguing the same ones for seven years; plus arguments about additional injustices related to her case.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to present them to me as a comment her on by e-mail.

I appreciate your interest in Crystal Mangum's case, as well as Ronnie Long's. Thank you for your contributions with your comments.; June 19, 2019 at 4:34 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Dr. Caligari said...
I am relying on truth and justice to set Crystal Mangum free despite a justice system that is cruel, corrupt, and racist.

A judge in New York once said to me, "in Heaven you get justice. In this life, you get the law."

June 18, 2019 at 7:36 AM

Hey, Dr. Caligari.

I agree with the judge... to paraphrase, "In a utopia-like society there is fairness in the resolution of legal disputes, but in the reality of the real world such differences are settled by man-made laws which are not necessarily fair and just."

My belief is that judges, like attorneys, can debate both sides of an argument with legal citation and support. I have a problem when judges make a legally-backed ruling that is intrinsically unjust to achieve a desired outcome, when an alternative decision that is fair and just could be made and is also backed by law.

It is my belief that the ultimate goal of the justice system is to achieve a fair outcome rather than to stringently adhere to man-made laws. Just my humble opinion.

What do you think of the NC Court of Appeals ruling on my appeal in HARR v. WRAL-5?; June 19, 2019 at 4:51 AM
Dr. Caligari said...: What do you think of the NC Court of Appeals ruling on my appeal in HARR v. WRAL-5?

It was entirely predictable-- in fact, when you fist filed this case, I and others on this blog predicted a speedy dismissal and a speedy affirmance, since you were seeking a do-over of your first lawsuit, which you lost and (by your own admission) failed to appeal properly. If you lose a case, you can't re-file the identical case even if the first court's decision was wrong. (The remedy for any error in the first case is an appeal, not a do-over.)

By the way, not that it matters now, but the first court wasn't wrong. You complain about the judge's failure to follow Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 56, but that rule applies only in federal court and your lawsuit was filed in state court. Besides, even in federal court, Rule 56 governs only summary judgment motions, but your complaint was dismissed under Rule 12, not Rule 56.; June 19, 2019 at 7:31 AM
Ann Onymous said...: Dr. Caligari -- I do admire your efforts, really. I see in you a lot of similarities to the (since departed from this blog) Walt-In-Durham.

Alas, I fear that, like Walt, you're eventually going to throw your hands up in disgust and walk away.

As Ron White so eloquently put it, (and as Sid has so disastrously proven over the last 11 years or so) "You can't fix stupid".

Sid -- Do yourself a favor -- take the time to READ Dr. Caligari's post, then take the time to familiarize yourself with the law.; June 19, 2019 at 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney, at this point with your WRAL suit, I think you need to go here:

http://judgemathistv.com/submit-your-case/; June 19, 2019 at 4:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 14 days until Independence Day.

There are 41 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 20, 2019 at 5:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 13 days until Independence Day.

There are 40 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 21, 2019 at 6:27 AM
A Ronnie Long Supporter said...: Dr. Harr.

I took some time to review your blog while you state that you and “Bay area residents” (no North Carolinians?) have written to Governor Cooper, I can find no reference to letters written to the AG specifically regarding the current Mangum case. I do find that odd, for 2 reasons:

1. The current AG took office (an elected office) in 2017. That means there was an opportunity to engage him before the election and let him know by letter writing campaign that Mangum supporters would put the force of their voting behind that person who agrees to review the case with at least and open mind. Apparently that opportunity was simply overlooked?

2. The AG has the the authority to “initiate legal action or intervene in proceedings before any courts, regulatory officers, agencies or bodies — either state or federal — on behalf of the state's agencies and citizens..” (Wikipedia). As such, the Mangum case would fall directly under the AG’s purview. Yet apparently neither you nor anyone in your committee has reached out to the AG at any point to ask for such intervention. I must ask-Why not?

Unfortunately for Crystal Mangum, I find as much distortion of the truth on this blog as you apparently claim is found in the media. So much so that I will not be joining your (poorly named) committee.; June 22, 2019 at 12:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 11 days until Independence Day.

There are 38 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 23, 2019 at 7:22 AM
kenhyderal said...: @ RL Supporter 22-6-19: Incorrect and unwarranted. Attorney General Josh Stein has most certainly been provided with total and complete information and evidence, by Dr. Harr in the form of Computer Disks enabling him to determine, without question, that Crystal has been wrongfully convicted. He has deliberately chosen to ignore, stonewall, refuse to take action and meet with Dr. Harr. Or perhaps he is curtailed by Gov. Cooper. Once again North Carolina clearly shows itself as the "poster child" for the broken and corrupt US Justice System B.t.w. The injustice meted out to Crystal is inextricably linked to the injustice given to former DA Nifong; June 23, 2019 at 8:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 10 days until Independence Day.

There are 37 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 24, 2019 at 4:35 AM
A Ronnie Long Supporter said...: Kenhyderal (and Dr. Harr) -- My apologies if I misunderstood or missed something on the blog site (There is quite a great deal of posts here, and a significant portion of them have nothing to do with the current Mangum case or with Josh Stein).

I saw that the AG was contacted in December 2017, and then ONLY by Dr. Harr. In Dec 2017, the contact was limited to 1 letter by only 1 person -- Dr. Harr.

Again, and I can't say this enough, with elected officials, you speak with your vote.

If there are enough people within NC that believe as Dr. Harr does, why is Dr. Harr apparently the only person speaking?

And why would you choose to speak as "The Committee on Justice For Nifong"? At least have the good sense to create a separate committee.

I am sorry, Kenhyderal, I feel more points are both correct and warranted.; June 24, 2019 at 5:57 AM
kenhyderal said...: @ RLS: You do not take into account how, after Crystal reported her sexual assault by the Duke Lacrosse scions of privilege, their influential parents secured high power attorneys to get their darlings off. As is typical in these type of cases trashing the victim is the operative strategy. Their false campaign to demonize Crystal was relentless and unfortunately successful. They have manipulate the press and the public to believe Crystal was a predator and not a victim. The made her out to be a drug addicted prostitute and a false accuser. At the same time they put on relentless pressure on the State and on AG Cooper to drop the charges. Her difficulties since then are directly linked to what they did to her and because of the effectiveness of that strategy few are willing to champion her; the least of which is the power hierarchy and media of North Carolina. Only Dr. Harr, like St. John, today being his feast day, is "a voice crying out in the wilderness"; June 24, 2019 at 9:02 PM
guiowen said...: So, Kenny, how do you and Sidney expect to get her out within 36 days (if not sooner)?; June 25, 2019 at 1:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 9 days until Independence Day.

There are 36 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 25, 2019 at 3:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

What is the problem with people who are accused of serious crimes hiring attorneys to represent them? The right to representation in a criminal case is a fundamental right in this country. Do you disagree with this right?

What privilege do you think these young men possessed? What relevance is their "privilege" to their guilt or innocence? Do you believe they ought to be punished for their "privilege" (whatever it is and however you define it), or that it should factor into a determination of their guilt or innocence? How is punishing someone for, or treating them differently based on what you call "privilege" any different than punishing them or treating them differently based on their race, religion, sex or skin color? Aren't we past that?

Can you give us examples of the Duke defendants, their attorneys or anyone acting on their behalf "trashing the victim" or "demonizing" Mangum? Or did you just make that up to trash and demonize them? What are your feelings about Sid's use of this strategy in his defense of Mangum in the murder case?

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 25, 2019 at 5:50 AM
Anonymous said...: Abe,
Don't you understand that Kenhyderal has to come up with strange stories? It's his way of letting Crystal know how much he cares for her. (After all it's not as if he was actually DOING something for her.; June 25, 2019 at 11:19 AM
kenhyderal said...: @Ab: Reality check, Abe. In America Public Defenders usually do not provide adequate defence to the poor and marginalized, contrary to their code of ethics. This certainly was the case in Crystal's wrongful conviction. B.T. W. I know you are familiar with Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers. Once Cooper was pressured into dropping the case then the greedy lawsuits commenced necessitating the perpetuation of the demonization of Crystal; June 25, 2019 at 1:40 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Apologies for not commenting for a while... but I recently returned home after an out-of-state visit. Then I had to draft and file three motions related to my lawsuit against WRAL-5 News et al. Also, I gave a presentation before the Black Caucus which was strictly limited to five minutes. (I do not anticipate a positive response to it, however miracles do happen.)

But when one door closes, another one opens. There's another justice group to which I've just been introduced that looks far more promising. We'll see how it goes.

Since these pressing matters have been put in the past, I should be now better able to respond to comments and proceed with work on my next shar-video -- which is fairly far along.

As you were.; June 26, 2019 at 4:35 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Dr. Caligari said...
What do you think of the NC Court of Appeals ruling on my appeal in HARR v. WRAL-5?

It was entirely predictable-- in fact, when you fist filed this case, I and others on this blog predicted a speedy dismissal and a speedy affirmance, since you were seeking a do-over of your first lawsuit, which you lost and (by your own admission) failed to appeal properly. If you lose a case, you can't re-file the identical case even if the first court's decision was wrong. (The remedy for any error in the first case is an appeal, not a do-over.)

By the way, not that it matters now, but the first court wasn't wrong. You complain about the judge's failure to follow Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 56, but that rule applies only in federal court and your lawsuit was filed in state court. Besides, even in federal court, Rule 56 governs only summary judgment motions, but your complaint was dismissed under Rule 12, not Rule 56.

June 19, 2019 at 7:31 AM

Hey, Dr. Caligari.

The problem is that the judge did not put on record his reasons for his decisions regarding the motions. His Order was only one-page/two-paragraph/four-sentence in length. Accountability demands that he provides reasons for summarily dismissing a complaint and depriving a plaintiff of his/her day in court as protected by the Seventh Amendment. Without providing a basis for his claim that my complaint did not state a basis upon which relief could be granted, the judge made his ruling without an avenue of support; at the same time depriving me of the opportunity to oppose his ruling. The simple reason being that no one knows, from his four-sentence Order, why he summarily dismissed my complaint.

Comprende?; June 26, 2019 at 4:49 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Ann Onymous said...
Dr. Caligari -- I do admire your efforts, really. I see in you a lot of similarities to the (since departed from this blog) Walt-In-Durham.

Alas, I fear that, like Walt, you're eventually going to throw your hands up in disgust and walk away.

As Ron White so eloquently put it, (and as Sid has so disastrously proven over the last 11 years or so) "You can't fix stupid".

Sid -- Do yourself a favor -- take the time to READ Dr. Caligari's post, then take the time to familiarize yourself with the law.

June 19, 2019 at 10:23 AM

Hey, Ms. Onymous.

To quote John McClane, "Welcome to the party, pal."

Actually, I do read Dr. Caligari's comments as they are sincere and serious; not silly as some. I do seriously take into consideration what he says (with his legal background), and some of what he's commented has had a bearing on my actions... maybe not seismic, but adjustments of some degree.

Like you, I mourn the loss of Walt-in-Durham's comments. Like Dr. Caligari, they help me to understand the arguments better and have a bearing on my legal strategy. Believe me, Ms. Onymous, comments from voices in opposition not only make this blog site more interesting and thought-provoking, but it helps me with my advocacy thought processes. Despite my failure to follow advice or recommendations of Dr. Caligari, that doesn't mean that I have not gleaned valuable information from them.

Please continue to contribute.; June 26, 2019 at 5:01 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sidney, at this point with your WRAL suit, I think you need to go here:

http://judgemathistv.com/submit-your-case/

June 19, 2019 at 4:31 PM

Hey, Anony.

Hah! I didn't even know Judge Mathis was still doing his schtick! Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I'll pass.

... also with Judge Judy, People's Court, Judge Joe Brown, Justice with Judge Mabelean, etc.; June 26, 2019 at 5:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid, it was explained to you why the Judge didn't put his reasons in the dismissal. On a 12(b)(6) which is what this was (not summary judgment as you want to pretend), it's not required or expected.

The reason is you failed to state a claim upon which relief could be granted.

If you actually cared enough to learn, all if this has been explained to you repeatedly, but you continue to just ignore everyone trying to help, and then crying when things go wrong (even though everyone but idiot Kenny told you that's what was going to happen because you are doing it wrong).

I don't know who is the bigger idiot, you or Kenny. I think he's just an idiot, you are mentally ill.; June 26, 2019 at 5:14 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous A Ronnie Long Supporter said...
Dr. Harr.

I took some time to review your blog while you state that you and “Bay area residents” (no North Carolinians?) have written to Governor Cooper, I can find no reference to letters written to the AG specifically regarding the current Mangum case. I do find that odd, for 2 reasons:

1. The current AG took office (an elected office) in 2017. That means there was an opportunity to engage him before the election and let him know by letter writing campaign that Mangum supporters would put the force of their voting behind that person who agrees to review the case with at least and open mind. Apparently that opportunity was simply overlooked?

2. The AG has the the authority to “initiate legal action or intervene in proceedings before any courts, regulatory officers, agencies or bodies — either state or federal — on behalf of the state's agencies and citizens..” (Wikipedia). As such, the Mangum case would fall directly under the AG’s purview. Yet apparently neither you nor anyone in your committee has reached out to the AG at any point to ask for such intervention. I must ask-Why not?

Unfortunately for Crystal Mangum, I find as much distortion of the truth on this blog as you apparently claim is found in the media. So much so that I will not be joining your (poorly named) committee.

June 22, 2019 at 12:02 PM

Hey, Ronnie Long Supporter.

I believe that kenhyderal already answered your most salient comment/argument regarding A.G. Josh Stein. Basically, like Governor Roy Cooper and Durham D.A. Satana Deberry, he does not want to be confronted by the truths of Mangum's innocence.

The other thing I would like to add is your apparent reliance on letters from the public as having influence in Mangum's case. First of all, Mangum's case is O.J. Simpson in nature. The media has enabled the authorities and the people to overlook the suspension of the rule of law in her case. Secondly, there are many instances wherein stacked boxes full of signed petitions from ordinary citizens have been turned away from politicians' offices. A single letter from a legislator to Stein would carry much more weight than a ton-load of letters... in my opinion. However, I have not found a politician willing to write a letter to the Attorney General.; June 26, 2019 at 5:14 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: kenhyderal said...
@ RL Supporter 22-6-19: Incorrect and unwarranted. Attorney General Josh Stein has most certainly been provided with total and complete information and evidence, by Dr. Harr in the form of Computer Disks enabling him to determine, without question, that Crystal has been wrongfully convicted. He has deliberately chosen to ignore, stonewall, refuse to take action and meet with Dr. Harr. Or perhaps he is curtailed by Gov. Cooper. Once again North Carolina clearly shows itself as the "poster child" for the broken and corrupt US Justice System B.t.w. The injustice meted out to Crystal is inextricably linked to the injustice given to former DA Nifong

June 23, 2019 at 8:58 PM

Hey, kenhyderal.

Thanks for having my back with Ronnie Long Supporter while I was temporarily out of commission. As usual, your response was spot-on!; June 26, 2019 at 5:17 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous A Ronnie Long Supporter said...
Kenhyderal (and Dr. Harr) -- My apologies if I misunderstood or missed something on the blog site (There is quite a great deal of posts here, and a significant portion of them have nothing to do with the current Mangum case or with Josh Stein).

I saw that the AG was contacted in December 2017, and then ONLY by Dr. Harr. In Dec 2017, the contact was limited to 1 letter by only 1 person -- Dr. Harr.

Again, and I can't say this enough, with elected officials, you speak with your vote.

If there are enough people within NC that believe as Dr. Harr does, why is Dr. Harr apparently the only person speaking?

And why would you choose to speak as "The Committee on Justice For Nifong"? At least have the good sense to create a separate committee.

I am sorry, Kenhyderal, I feel more points are both correct and warranted.

June 24, 2019 at 5:57 AM

Hey, Ronnie Long Supporter.

Mangum's case is unlike any other in North Carolina... most closely approaching the armed robbery/kidnapping case of O.J. Simpson where the rule of law was suspended. Here's a LINK to a letter I mailed to A.G. Stein personally on May 29, 2019, and as of yet have received no reply.

Being a Ronnie Long supporter, have you written to A.G. Stein to ask him to reverse course and not pursue his fight in the Fourth Circuit to keep Mr. Long incarcerated for life?; June 26, 2019 at 5:44 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 8 days until Independence Day.

There are 35 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 26, 2019 at 5:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

I am vaguely familiar with Liestoppers. If you were you would know that the site was not owned, operated or controlled by the Duke lacrosse defendants or their defense team.

I also point out that Liestoppers were but one small voice at a time when Duke University, the City of Durham and the national media were firmly aligned against the Duke lacrosse defendants and assumed they were guilty of a heinous crime.

Again, can you provide an example of the Duke defendants, their attorneys or anyone acting on their behalf "trashing the victim" or "demonizing" Mangum? Also, what are your feelings about Sid's use of this strategy in his defense of Mangum in the murder case?

If you avoid the question again I will assume this is just another one of the many lies you have been caught telling.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 26, 2019 at 5:58 AM
A Ronnie Long Supporter said...: I've stated in my first comments on this site that I have written to AG Josh Stein more than once (with no expectation of reply). Further, I know I'm not the only person to do so.

I also know that over 4,000 people (from all over,and even outside, the US) have signed the MoveOn petition to free Ronnie Long.

If you don't mind (I won't be upset if you filter out this comment), I would ask everyone here to check out http://freeronnielong.org/, and, if so inclined, take a moment and sign the petition.

Finally, Dr. Harr, I would point out the differences between the approach that the Free Ronnie Long organization has taken, and your own approach WRT Crystal Mangum:

1) A unique "Free Ronnie Long" entity was created, with 1 goal set as the objective.

2) A number of platforms (the Website, Facebook page, and on-line petition) were created with the goal of getting as much information to the public. A "viral" approach, if you will.

3) The information available from these platforms are from MULTIPLE SOURCES (not controlled or pulled together by 1 person). These resources include articles from IndyWeek, WBTV, North Carolina Innocence Inquiry Commission,and Duke Wrongful Conviction Clinic.

4) Everyone is encouraged to both sign the MoveOn petition as well as write the NC AG's office (check out the "What You Can Do" link) on http://freeronnielong.org/.; June 26, 2019 at 6:49 AM
kenhyderal said...: @ Abe: The Defense and their Defendants are too cunning to have gone anywhere on record libeling Crystal. They has lots of surrogates, though, ever ready to do this dirty work for them. Who do you suppose the purported liar Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers claimed they were trying to stop?; June 26, 2019 at 9:16 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kenny,

I am vaguely familiar with Liestoppers. If you were you would know that the site was not owned, operated or controlled by the Duke lacrosse defendants or their defense team.

I also point out that Liestoppers were but one small voice at a time when Duke University, the City of Durham and the national media were firmly aligned against the Duke lacrosse defendants and assumed they were guilty of a heinous crime.

Again, can you provide an example of the Duke defendants, their attorneys or anyone acting on their behalf "trashing the victim" or "demonizing" Mangum? Also, what are your feelings about Sid's use of this strategy in his defense of Mangum in the murder case?

If you avoid the question again I will assume this is just another one of the many lies you have been caught telling.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

June 26, 2019 at 5:58 AM

Hey, Abe.

When you talk about my "strategy," I am uncertain as to what exactly you're talking about. I require further clarification. Thanks.; June 27, 2019 at 4:16 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous A Ronnie Long Supporter said...
I've stated in my first comments on this site that I have written to AG Josh Stein more than once (with no expectation of reply). Further, I know I'm not the only person to do so.

I also know that over 4,000 people (from all over,and even outside, the US) have signed the MoveOn petition to free Ronnie Long.

If you don't mind (I won't be upset if you filter out this comment), I would ask everyone here to check out http://freeronnielong.org/, and, if so inclined, take a moment and sign the petition.

Finally, Dr. Harr, I would point out the differences between the approach that the Free Ronnie Long organization has taken, and your own approach WRT Crystal Mangum:

1) A unique "Free Ronnie Long" entity was created, with 1 goal set as the objective.

2) A number of platforms (the Website, Facebook page, and on-line petition) were created with the goal of getting as much information to the public. A "viral" approach, if you will.

3) The information available from these platforms are from MULTIPLE SOURCES (not controlled or pulled together by 1 person). These resources include articles from IndyWeek, WBTV, North Carolina Innocence Inquiry Commission,and Duke Wrongful Conviction Clinic.

4) Everyone is encouraged to both sign the MoveOn petition as well as write the NC AG's office (check out the "What You Can Do" link) on http://freeronnielong.org/.

June 26, 2019 at 6:49 AM

Hey, Ronnie Long Supporter.

Yes, you did state that you wrote A.G. Stein. Would you happen to have a copy of the letter(s) you wrote to Stein? If you could send me an e-mail attachment, I would be more than happy to put a link to them in this comment section and possibly use them otherwise.

With regards to your questions:
(1) Crystal Mangum's case is extremely complex and is intertwined with other issues, such as my treatment by the media and the court issues with which I give her assistance. There are other crimes and defendants with similarities to Mangum's case that I often highlight. Although the title of the blog site is about Nifong, hardly any of it is devoted to helping him have his law license unilaterally and unconditionally reinstated. For the past seven years, this blog site has been about Mangum's murder case, although I have also focused on her civil case, too. Don't really see an advantage to renaming the blog site.

(2) There is a website (www.justice4nifong.com) but it has not been worked on for years... outdated. At one point I was working on redoing it completely, but time expended on Mangum's case prevented it. Facebook and other platforms I don't understand fully and don't have time to learn. I tried a petition years ago on the Change.com site, but only had 19 signatures.

(3) and (4) I do not disagree with you on these, but what you fail to realize, I believe, is that Crystal Mangum is perceived and treated differently than Ronnie Long by the press and public. She's been demonized, similar to O.J. Simpson. And like O.J., the rule of law in her case has been suspended without the expected outrage.; June 27, 2019 at 4:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 7 days until Independence Day.

There are 34 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 27, 2019 at 6:47 AM
Anonymous said...: kenny prevaricated:

"Who do you suppose the purported liar Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers claimed they were trying to stop?"

No one. It's called Liestoppers. Lie is a verb. Liar is a noun. The website was dedicated to refuting the lies, false accusations and rush to judgment against the Duke lacrosse players.

The fact that Mangum was the person who ignited the firestorm by lying about being raped is irrelevant. Also, proving that something someone has been accused of doing did not happen is not trashing or demonizing the victim. The defense team proved, beyond any doubt, that Mangum was not raped and that the men she accused of raping her did not commit any crime. They did so based on the facts and evidence and without attacking, demonizing or trashing Mangum. That is what you call a good defense.

The harm to Mangum's reputation after it was shown that she lied about being raped is on her and no one else. It certainly wasn't the fault of the players she falsely accused or their attorneys.

I note you are still unable to cite a single example of the lacrosse defendants, their attorneys or any members of their defense team trashing or demonizing Mangum.

Lying is not good advocacy or an effective strategy, and you aren't adept at it. You should stop it.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 27, 2019 at 7:04 AM
kenhyderal said...: Like I stated Abe they were far too cunning to openly vilify the accuser. The justifiable sympathy for the purported victim was short lived once the clandestine campaign to destroy her got traction in the gullible and manipulated. Drug addicted prostitute was the operative epithet. I have been told by people in Durham that private investigators sought in vain to come up with evidence to support these slanders but, unsurprisingly to any who know Crystal, there never was evidence or witnesses ever found and there was much evidence to the contrary by those who know her. Liar stoppers, lie stoppers; Abe you're playing semantics. Crystal Mangum was the target of this Defence strategy; June 27, 2019 at 2:04 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Could you please stop whining?; June 27, 2019 at 4:21 PM
kenhyderal said...: @ Abe: Can you point out to the blog readers a lie I have told? You call any belief I hold a lie. Many of the things you believe to be true, I believe to be patently false but I don't resort to ad hominem attacks on you. Don't be like the Duke Lacrosse Apologist from Liestoppers Dr. Anonymous who could only respond to my assertions with liar, racist Nazi etc.; June 27, 2019 at 9:02 PM
Anonymous said...: kenny,

I am not playing this game with you. You tell lies. Your lies have been pointed out over and over. I am not going thru the blog to point them out to you yet again. You can go back and find where you have been called out for lying yourself.

Evidence of Mangum's drug and alcohol problems, her work as a prostitute (or escort, if you prefer that term) and her history of mental illness abound. No one would have any trouble finding it - much less trained investigators. However, none of it was relevant to the issue of the Duke lacrosse defendant's guilt or innocence or the truthfulness of Mangum's claim she was raped.

Trying to relitigate the Duke lacrosse case is pointless. It is over. The players were vindicated and Mangum's claims were exposed as lies. Any further discussion of it reflects poorly on Mangum and invites further gratuitous comments about her lifestyle and choices.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 28, 2019 at 7:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 6 days until Independence Day.

There are 33 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 28, 2019 at 7:48 AM
guiowen said...: Abe:
Kenhyderal never lies. It's just that, because of context, he forgets or misinterprets too many things.; June 28, 2019 at 7:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

There are 5 days until Independence Day.

There are 32 days until the end of July.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 29, 2019 at 5:14 AM

Wednesday, June 19, 2019

Before the NC Court of Appeals: Harr v. WRAL-5 News

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