Wednesday, January 18, 2012

Unanswered questions about Reginald Daye’s death

Reginald Daye was a middle-aged Durham man who was in a symbiotic relationship with Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse victim/accuser. The events surrounding his death, beginning with his April 3, 2011 stabbing by Ms. Mangum and extending to his death ten days later, are shrouded in mystery and intrigue. What some may consider equally baffling is the mainstream media’s apathy towards unraveling the bizarre and inexplicable sequence of circumstances which shortened Daye’s life.

Of this much we are certain: (1) At approximately 3:00 a.m. on April 3, 2011, Mangum stabbed Daye in the left torso with a kitchen knife (paring knife according to friends of Mangum and supported by autopsy reports); (2) Although the blood alcohol level coursing through Daye’s veins was at a stupor-level of nearly 300 mg/dl, he was awake and coherent when transported by ambulance to Duke Hospital; (3) Daye underwent emergency surgery to repair the stab wound to the splenic flexure of his colon within hours of the traumatic insult; (4) Postoperatively the following day, the surgery on Daye was proclaimed to be successful and the patient was expected to make a full recovery; and (5) On the 13th of April, ten days following his stabbing and surgery, Daye was taken off life support and pronounced dead.

The autopsy reports of April 13 and 14, 2011, which were released in mid-August 2011, four months later, shed only a modicum of light on what transpired during Daye’s ten day hospitalization. It appears that on the evening of the third postoperative day, Mr. Daye went into a deep and irreversible coma; the etiology of which was never determined and/or released to the public. The mainstream media kept Daye’s comatose state hidden for a week, and mentioned it only after his death. In addition, only one media source mentioned that Reginald Daye passed away after life support was electively removed by the Duke Hospital medical staff. Although it can be assumed that Daye’s next of kin were involved in the decision to remove him from life support, it is unknown whether the prosecution or defense attorneys were consulted or notified beforehand. The disconnection of Reginald Daye from life support was the proximate cause of his death, however, neither report even mentioned this. Instead of solving problems surrounding Daye’s demise, the autopsy reports of April 13th and 14th usher in questions about it on an even grander scale.

Both autopsy reports are vague, inadequate, misleading, and unprofessional, with the report of April 13, 2011 (Report of Investigation by Medical Examiner) being more accurate and reliable regarding injuries sustained by the single stab wound than that of the latter document. The description of the body and the body diagram of this report are deferred to the report of April 14, 2011 (Report of Autopsy Examination). What is most puzzling about this report of the 14th is that it includes a multitude of injuries not mentioned in the report of the 13th, which cited only the lesion to the colon. However, in the report of the 14th, Dr. Clay Nichols, the medical examiner, mentioned additional gross anatomical injuries to the following organs: lower left lung, diaphragm, left kidney, spleen, and fundus of the stomach. As a retired physician, I believe that it is impossible for a single stab wound from a paring knife (which entered at the seventh intercostal space of the left side of the torso and proceeded in a downward trajectory) to inflict wounds to all of the organs as described in Dr. Nichols’ report. However, it is not at all unreasonable to believe that such a stab wound would lacerate the splenic flexure of the colon only.

Although I believe the report of April 14, 2011, to be criminally fraudulent, I do not fault the medical examiner for making false claims because he undoubtedly has learned from the example that the state and the media made of former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong… which is that the consequences of not “going along with the program” can be excessive and severe. The purpose for fabricating these injuries in the latter report is to make the damage caused by Mangum’s stab wound appear to be much more extensive and serious than it actually was… to persuade the public that the inflicted wound was capable of causing death. The biased anti-Mangum media did its part by upgrading the status of the diaphragm, which is a large muscle, to that of being an organ, and counting it as such in proclaiming that “Fatal stab wound in Crystal Mangum case punctured six organs.” The media entirely ignores the more reliable report of April 13, 2011, which documented injury to only the large intestine.

Questions continue to swirl around Daye’s death and its aftermath. Why the major discrepancies between the report of the 13th and 14th? What was the cause of Daye’s lapsing into a coma and how was it related to the stab wound? Why is Crystal Mangum being charged with first degree murder when Daye was electively removed from life support by Duke’s medical staff? Was medical malpractice or a hospital homicide responsible the unconscious state which led to Daye being declared “brain dead” and taken off life support? Why has Mangum’s attorney not filed a motion to have the murder charge dismissed? Perhaps, most mind-boggling of all is why does the mainstream media lack curiosity about these unsolved mysteries?

Being a cynic of mainstream media’s dedication to report fairly and without bias, I do not find it surprising that the media would bury its head in the sand when it comes to the state’s illegal and unjust mistreatment of Crystal Mangum. After all, the media, like Durham prosecutor Kelly Gauger and the medical examiners, is part of this very broad based anti-Nifong conspiracy.

161 comments:

Lance the Intern said...

I pointed out some time ago that
the pathologist that conducted the autopsy was Dr. Clay Nichols. and that you could contact him (919-966-2253) and ask him about the 2 documents and the defensive wounds.

You have thus far refused to do so. Until you do, you arguments here really have no merit.

Walt said...

Sid wrote: "Was medical malpractice or a hospital homicide responsible the unconscious state which led to Daye being declared “brain dead” and taken off life support?" Inconsequential for North Carolina's homicide statute. To be an intervening cause, the death must be by an entirely new and unrelated actor. For example, had Daye been blown up in an Al Qaeda attack on Duke University Hospital, that would be an intervening cause. Medical mistake error or malpractice is not an intervening cause under our law.

"Why has Mangum’s attorney not filed a motion to have the murder charge dismissed?" Because to do so he would have to argue to overturn the law of North Carolina and put NC in a minority of one among all common law jurisdictions with regard to the intervening cause doctrine.

"Perhaps, most mind-boggling of all is why does the mainstream media lack curiosity about these unsolved mysteries?" Because there is no mystery mind-boggling or otherwise.

The only issue I see in the charge is why first degree murder and not second? I suspect the DA charged Murder I rather than Murder II to have some plea bargaining room, but with Tracy Cline, it's hard to guess at her motives.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

One of your funnier efforts of late......Dick "Tracey"-esque....do you own a radio wristwatch and a yellow trench coat? How about a second career in soap opera melodrama? Poor Sid, his circle of evil-doers used to be a whites-only club. Now, he has to cope with throwing in a few bad actors of the wrong color. You're going to need a bigger boat, Sid....this one is getting close to tipping over with all the conspiracy members you've thrown into it. Pretty soon you are going to need to get yourself some kind of chart-making program and provide us with a huge map to show who-is-sleepin-with-who and who-is-paying-who-off.

Lance the Intern said...

Walt -- Sid's proven time and again that he's unwilling to do any research, so it's not surprising that he's unfamiliar with NC homicide statutes or legal doctrine.

WRT the first degree murder charge, I think this is typical of the Durham DA's office under Tracey Cline. The 2 major emphases under her watch are moving cases faster through the justice system and getting a higher conviction rate. One of DA's office tactics is filing charges not supported by the evidence in hopes of securing a plea.

What I find interesting is that Sid continues to support Tracey Cline.

Anonymous said...

Sideny calls Crystal Mangum "Crystal Mangum, the Duke Lacrosse victim".

Via that statement Sideny shows he believes the Lacrosse players assaulted Ms. Mangum, that the Lacrosse players are guilty.

Sideny, there was no evidence of any intimate contact between any member of the Lacrosse team and Ms. Mangum. You have never explained how the assault described could have happened without leaving evidence.

Sideny you are truly a deluded megalomaniac who resents the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players simply because they were not wrongfully convicted.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "The disconnection of Reginald Daye from life support was the proximate cause of his death".

Sideny, Mr. Daye would never have been on life support had Crystal not stabbed him.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "...the blood alcohol level coursing through Daye’s veins was at a stupor-level of nearly 300 mg/dl...".

Sideny, if Mr. Daye had been able to tolerate that much alcohol in his blood, his liver would have shown damage. It did not. That suggests that blood alcohol finding may have been wrong. Did someone swab his arm with an alcohol sponge before drawing blood? If so, that would have rendered the blood alcohol result invalid.

Anonymous said...

Sideny, are you going back to Reginald Daye in order to avoid posts about your frivo;ous lawsuit against Duke?

Anonymous said...

Sideny, why haven't you and your gang gotten Crystal different representation, if her current attorney is doing such a poor job? Don't you think a different attorney would call you as an expert witness?

Of course your megalomaniacal frivolous lawsuit against Duke shows how enlightened you are in legal matters.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "After all, the media, like Durham prosecutor Kelly Gauger and the medical examiners, is part of this very broad based anti-Nifong conspiracy."

Sideny, provide us with hard evidence that such a conspiracy exists.

Anonymous said...

There are numerous cases, previously mentioned (I think) by Walt that demonstrate how, and under what circumstances, trauma and injury to a person on a given date, with subsequent death at a later time (sometimes months) ....has been charged as murder, clearly causative. I mentioned a similar personal case previously on this site and endured an insulting and painful barrage of silly nonsense from Sid, discounting my own accountof what factually transpired with a beloved friend. Nothing anybody says that does not agree with his biased racist and sexist world view is going to make one whit of difference in his deluded thinking. frankly, I feel a little sorry for Sid. He and his motley crew of bigots and homophobic Durham nutjobs are nothing but an endless source of comic relief and self-inflating argle bargle for themselves. If I were referring to a group of 12 yearold boys, beyind the barn, engaging in what adolescent boys sometimes do, I would call this Sid's circle jerk.

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance the Intern said...
I pointed out some time ago that
the pathologist that conducted the autopsy was Dr. Clay Nichols. and that you could contact him (919-966-2253) and ask him about the 2 documents and the defensive wounds.

You have thus far refused to do so. Until you do, you arguments here really have no merit.

Lance, mon ami, you are incorrect. I did contact Dr. Nichols by e-mail and offered him the opportunity to reply. He had the decency to respond and he told me by e-mail that he did not wish to make a statement.

Ergo, my arguments have merit.

Nifong Supporter said...


Walt said...
Sid wrote: "Was medical malpractice or a hospital homicide responsible the unconscious state which led to Daye being declared “brain dead” and taken off life support?" Inconsequential for North Carolina's homicide statute. To be an intervening cause, the death must be by an entirely new and unrelated actor. For example, had Daye been blown up in an Al Qaeda attack on Duke University Hospital, that would be an intervening cause. Medical mistake error or malpractice is not an intervening cause under our law.

"Why has Mangum’s attorney not filed a motion to have the murder charge dismissed?" Because to do so he would have to argue to overturn the law of North Carolina and put NC in a minority of one among all common law jurisdictions with regard to the intervening cause doctrine.

"Perhaps, most mind-boggling of all is why does the mainstream media lack curiosity about these unsolved mysteries?" Because there is no mystery mind-boggling or otherwise.

The only issue I see in the charge is why first degree murder and not second? I suspect the DA charged Murder I rather than Murder II to have some plea bargaining room, but with Tracy Cline, it's hard to guess at her motives.

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt.
Regarding your first point, that is exactly what I'm suggesting. Is it not possible that a new and unrelated actor who was brainwashed by the media and hated Crystal could have possibly gave Daye an injection of insulin? That could account for his brain death. There is nothing further to account for it. Surely the stab wound to the torso did not result in brain death.

Regarding your second point, there is no evidence that Mangum or her stab wound caused Daye's coma, and Mangum certainly did not have anything to do with removing Mr. Daye from life support, which was the proximate cause of his death.

Regarding your point about there being no mind boggling mysteries, please explain why there is such a discrepancy between the report of April 13th and 14th. (Hint: the lesions noted in the 14th report are fabricated with the exception of the lesion to the splenic flexure of the colon which was mentioned in the report of the 13th.)

Regarding the murder charge, any cursory investigation would show that Crystal Mangum stabbed Daye in self defense. What motive would she have otherwise for stabbing him?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sideny: "The disconnection of Reginald Daye from life support was the proximate cause of his death".

Sideny, Mr. Daye would never have been on life support had Crystal not stabbed him.

Reginald Daye wouldn't have been stabbed if he wouldn't have been born. Your statement makes that much sense.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sideny: "...the blood alcohol level coursing through Daye’s veins was at a stupor-level of nearly 300 mg/dl...".

Sideny, if Mr. Daye had been able to tolerate that much alcohol in his blood, his liver would have shown damage. It did not. That suggests that blood alcohol finding may have been wrong. Did someone swab his arm with an alcohol sponge before drawing blood? If so, that would have rendered the blood alcohol result invalid.

I am inclined to believe the blood alcohol level was close to 300 mg/dl. His state of consciousness makes me believe that he tolerated alcohol well and was probably an alcoholic.

Also, you can't determine the extent of liver damage merely by gross examination of the liver.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sideny, are you going back to Reginald Daye in order to avoid posts about your frivo;ous lawsuit against Duke?

Don't worry. I'll keep you abreast of all developments in my meritorious lawsuit against Duke.

Anonymous said...

You are amazing.....psychic, able to examine and assess patients from 30 miles away...wow, have you ever thought about joining CSI?
what an absolute crock...

Anonymous said...

oh, yeah, I forgot....here we go with the alcoholic labeling again. nice.
I guess it's ok then for me to lable Mangum a whore....given that she had a paid driver, had multiple male samples in and on her person, had sex toys in her purse, was wearing something that looked like a Victoria's Secret bargain basement sale item, had a picture smeared all over a web site selling "exotic ladies for gentlemen". Yep, I guess it's ok for me to lable her a whore.
Good old Sid is teaching us how to label people. Isn't that nice.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "Reginald Daye wouldn't have been stabbed if he wouldn't have been born. Your statement makes that much sense."

The law would not see it that way. Of course, from your insistence that your frivolous lawsuit against Duke is meritorious(something for the court to decide), you know nothing about the legal system. You are just a deluded megalomaniac.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "Don't worry. I'll keep you abreast of all developments in my meritorious lawsuit against Duke."

Sid, it is for the court, not you, to make that determination. How about you prove to the court your lawsuit is meritorious.

Lance the Intern said...

"He [Dr. Nichols]..told me by e-mail that he did not wish to make a statement.

Ergo, my arguments have merit.


Or Dr. Nichols realizes that nothing he could possibly say would change your preconceived notions about a medical examination and autopsy you were never witness to.

Now you've got the one armed man injecting poor Reginald Daye with insulin.

But I think Crystal has little to worry about -- as long as she's willing to plea bargain.

Harr Supporter said...

Sid asks: Perhaps most mind-boggling of all is why does the mainstream media lack curiosity about these unsolved mysteries?

Your readers ask similar questions. Why does the host of this blog "lack curiosity" about many of the facts in the lacrosse case? Why does the host of this blog "bury [his] head in the sand when it comes to" any facts that are inconsistent with his hypothesis?

kenhyderal said...

There is no evidence that Daye was an alcoholic but there is evidence, in the Investigative Report, that he was intoxicated (Blood Alcohol Level- 296mg/dl) and no evidence that Crystal was. There is also evidence that, despite the name of Daye as the remitter of the Money Orders being struggled over, they did, in fact, belong to Crystal.

Anonymous said...

"Also, you can't determine the extent of liver damage merely by gross examination of the liver."

Sideny, if he could have tolerated an alcohol level that high, his liver would have shwon gross evidence of damage.

This statement is akin to the multiple statements that the absence of corroborating evidence in Crystal's phony rape allegations did not rule out the possibility of rape.

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal: "There is no evidence that Daye was an alcoholic but there is evidence, in the Investigative Report, that he was intoxicated (Blood Alcohol Level- 296mg/dl)".

So, Kenny, you are not beating a retreat from the kitchen.

If Mr. Daye was not an alcoholic, and if his blood alcohol was that high, he would have been comatose.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "Regarding the murder charge, any cursory investigation would show that Crystal Mangum stabbed Daye in self defense. What motive would she have otherwise for stabbing him?"

Sideny, a correct statement would ave been that only YOUR cursory investigation would have shown Crystal stabbed Mr. Daye in self defense.

That does not surprise me in light of your repeated assertions that your frivolous lawsuit has merit simply because you say so.

Tell us what evidence there was that Crystal Mangum was raped on the night of March 13/14, 2006.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "Also, you can't determine the extent of liver damage merely by gross examination of the liver."

That is true. However, if you had ever done an autopsy(I Have done multiple autopsies) you would realize the pathologist takes tissue samples from all the organs.

Sideny again shows us the extent of his self proclaimed enlightenment.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "Lance, mon ami, you are incorrect. I did contact Dr. Nichols by e-mail and offered him the opportunity to reply. He had the decency to respond and he told me by e-mail that he did not wish to make a statement.

Ergo, my arguments have merit."

Sideny, Ergo, you again show you are a eluded megalomaniac.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "[There was]...no evidence that Crystal was [intoxicated]."

Indeed there was not. Had she been intoxicated, she probably would have been unable to inflict the fatal stab wound.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "He[Dr. Nichols] had the decency to respond and he told me by e-mail that he did not wish to make a statement."

It seems Dr. Nichols realizes you are a deluded megalomaniac.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @4:23 said "Sidney if he could have tolerated alcohol level that high his liver would have shown gross damage."... Not according to this study " Jochen Hampe, MD, from Christian-Albrechts-Universität Kiel determined the genotype and allele frequencies of PNPLA3 rs738409 in 1043 alcoholics with or without alcoholic liver injury and in 376 at-risk drinkers from a population-based cohort"

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @4:27 said "If Mr. Daye was not an alcoholic, and if his blood alcohol was that high, he would have been comatose" That seems to be a reasonable but unproven assumption.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Anonymous @4:27 said "If Mr. Daye was not an alcoholic, and if his blood alcohol was that high, he would have been comatose" That seems to be a reasonable but unproven assumption."

A blood alcohol of almost 300 mg % is a toxic level in someone who is not a chronic alcoholic. It is an unreasonable and unproven assumption that Mr. Daye would not be affected by such a high level if he were not a chronic alcoholic>

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, what did the histologic sections of Mr. Daye's liver show?

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, explain why Mr. Nifong prosecuted three members of the Lacrosse team when forensic evidence showed no member of the Lacrosse team had any intimate contact with Ms. Mangum.

Your latest posts on the matter suggest that people other than members of the Lacrosse team committed the crime and escaped detection, and that members of the Lacrosse team covered for them.

For what credible reason would members of the Lacrosse team allow three of their own be indicted for the crime knowing that someone else did it?

You are just as deluded as Sideny.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, Do you know Mr. Daye's genotype?

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 6:16 PM 1-18-11 said "A blood alcohol of almost 300 mg % is a toxic level in someone who is not a chronic alcoholic. It is an unreasonable and unproven assumption that Mr. Daye would not be affected by such a high level if he were not a chronic alcoholic"... It appears as if we agree.

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 6:17 1-18-12 It appears you have not read the study. In non-getetically suseptible individuals up to 75% of alcoholics have normal livers

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:21 1-18-12 said: " For what credible reason would members of the Lacrosse team allow three of their own be indicted for the crime knowing that someone else did it?" ... Perhaps some of them were guilty of aiding and abetting.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "It appears as if we agree."

Based on your previous statement, we agree there was no evidence that Mr. Daye was a chronic alcoholic.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "@ Anonymous 6:17 1-18-12 It appears you have not read the study. In non-getetically(sic) suseptible(sic) individuals up to 75% of alcoholics have normal livers".

The question is, in how many of those "non-getetically(sic) suseptible(sic) individuals can tolerate a blood alcohol level of almost 300 mg%?

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Perhaps some of them were guilty of aiding and abetting."

The question is, why would members of the Lacrosse team, facing the possibility of prosecution for this most serious felony, cover up for non Lacrosse team members who had actually perpetrated it? "Perhaps" has no legal weight.

How would Mike Nifong have caught the alleged aiders and abetters by going after innocent men?

What evidence was there that there was any crime in the first place? Or you going to come back with Sideny's dodge, said alleged crime could have happened without leaving evidence?

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, if what you say is true, then the actual perpetrators of the alleged crime would have been trying to avoid prosecution. They would have been trying to get away with it.

So when David Addison and Michael Nifong was calling for witnesses to come forth, why would they not have come forth? They could have come forth to say, we saw the whole thing and these are the Lacrosse players who did it. Why did they not.

Your whole hypothesis does not pass the credibility test.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "Questions continue to swirl around Daye’s death and its aftermath."

Only in your deluded megalomaniacal mind.

Anonymous said...

Guys, this is comical. Sid and Kenny-I-know-everything-about-everything are making total fools of themselves. Here they are trying to sound "all scientific and like" (as my kids would say), acting as though they are authorities on Mr. Daye's condition, before he was stabbed, during the time he was in DUH, at the time of his death, and during his autopsy. amazing. Sid, you need to take up gambling because he can actually see and predict events, post and past.
I think Mr. Daye was taken to the planet Mongo and implanted with a device that the Mongo-ites used to kill him later....and I WANT TO KNOW WHY THERE IS NO CURIOSITY ABOUT MY THEORY AND WHY IT HAS NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED!!
Hilarious, fellas.
I will say it again, Sid. Shame on you for your disrespect of Mr. Daye and shame on you for writing something that is a painful and highly offensive LIE. Whatever happened to your "Do no harm" ethic, as if you ever had one?

Nifong Supporter said...


Lance the Intern said...
"He [Dr. Nichols]..told me by e-mail that he did not wish to make a statement.

Ergo, my arguments have merit.

Or Dr. Nichols realizes that nothing he could possibly say would change your preconceived notions about a medical examination and autopsy you were never witness to.

Now you've got the one armed man injecting poor Reginald Daye with insulin.

But I think Crystal has little to worry about -- as long as she's willing to plea bargain.

A plea bargain is exactly what the prosecutors are hoping for with Crystal because their case against her is so weak. Hopefully, she'll refused and fight the charges in court... which any respectable attorney would've already filed a motion to dismiss.

Anonymous said...

gee, I hope she does fight and go to court. the spectacle of poor sister, professional victim and poster child for the durham liberal whackos, ought to be better than As the Stomach Turns! I can't wait. Sister will be all cleaned up in her best go-to-court-and-pretend-I-am-a-poor-single-woman-just-tryin-to-support-by-babies suit. Victoria, Jackie, and the gang will be in the pews, ready to give the 100 mile evil eye star to any juror who happens not to boohoo when the Sister Show begins. Geez, I'd buy a ticket just to watch the fun.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @2:59 AM said: "there was no evidence that Mr. Daye was a chronic alcoholic" None that we know of, other than the fact that, at his admission, he had a Blood Alcohol Level of 296mg/dl and he was still functioning. I am certainly not in a position to label Mr. Daye as an alcoholic, though.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:07 AM said: "The question is, why would members of the Lacrosse team, facing the possibility of prosecution for this most serious felony, cover up for non Lacrosse team members who had actually perpetrated it" ... It's any ones God given right to act in their own worse interest.

Anonymous said...

indeed, ken, you should knows about acting in your own worst interest.......otherwise known as the infamous Kenny Maneuver, open mouth, insert foot, gag.

Anonymous said...

Sid, again, why do you endorse and support the behavior of a known racist and homophobic bigot? Why do you condone bigotry and hatred as demonstrated by Peterson? Why is she a member of your club? How is having a racist's photo on your web site helpful to your cause?

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sid, again, why do you endorse and support the behavior of a known racist and homophobic bigot? Why do you condone bigotry and hatred as demonstrated by Peterson? Why is she a member of your club? How is having a racist's photo on your web site helpful to your cause?

I will plan on addressing this issue in my next blog.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, instead of ducking the issue, give us a credible logical reason why the Lacrosse players would allow three of their number be indicted for a crime which they knew they did not commit, a crime which they knew some other individuals did commit?

If the three individuals who were falsely charged with the crime knew who had actually perpetrated it, why would they risk conviction and a 30 year prison term rather than finger the actual perps.

People acting in their own worst interest is not a credible, logical explanation. People usually act in their best interests.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "Hopefully, she'll(sic)[Crystal] refused and fight the charges in court... which any respectable attorney would've already filed a motion to dismiss."

Sideny, judging from your posts about your frivolous lawsuit(which I sum up as you claiming your suit is meritorious because you say so) and your comments about attorneys, you have no idea what a respectable attorney looks like.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "I am certainly not in a position to label Mr. Daye as an alcoholic, though."

So why are you trying to convince the world he is. One possible explanation for the Blood alcohol level is, it was a lab error. Do you know when and why it was drawn?

Anonymous said...

Well goody sid. We all just cant wait to hear the sound of tap dancing and avoidance. You say peterson is a member of your committee, that tells the rest of us that you have no problem with letting the nazis and the klan join, seeing as how you like to lump folks into groups. Maybe victoria would like to do a guest piece on homosexuals and disease, subtitled " they are all filthy scum, lets kill em ". Shame on you for allowing a bigot's photo on your web site. Shame

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 1:33 PM.................................Office of the Chief Medical Examiner Toxicology Folder: T201102814
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-7580 Case Folder: F201103284
Date of Report: 26-apr-2011
Page: 1

Walter Abbott
227 Baxter Road
Ruston, LA 71270
DECEDENT: Reginald Daye

Status of Report: Approved
Report Electronically Approved By: Sandra Bishop-Freeman, PhD ===
SPECIMENS received from Andrew W. Buck on 26-apr-2011

S110007372: History CONDITION:
SOURCE: OBTAINED:

Ethanol ---------------------------------- 296 mg/dL 04/26/2011
** Comments Concerning This Result **
History (Reported by third party)
** End of Comments Concerning This Result **

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 1:26 PM said:" People usually act in their best interests"... Ah, were it only so.

kenhyderal said...

Whether, Reginald Day was an alcoholic or not is completely immaterial. A more important question is, was he intoxicated at the time of his encounter with Crystal

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

Explain that what you posted at 2:35 PM says "SPECIMENS received from Andrew W. Buck on 26-apr-2011".

Mr. Daye was stabbed, according to Sideny, on 3 April 2011 and died 10 days later, which would be April 13, 2011. Was there a specimen obtained on April 3, 2011? A date of somewhere between April 3 and April 13 would have been much more significant.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Anonymous @ 1:26 PM said:" People usually act in their best interests"... Ah, were it only so."

The deal with Kenhyderal is this. He believes that people at the party who were not Lacrosse players committed the alleged rape. The Lacrosse players knew who committed the rape. However, they would cover for those perpetrators even after three of their number had been wrongfully indicted for that rape.

I have challenged him to demonstrate that this scenario in which he believes is credible. So far, he dodges doing so.

The reason is, he can not. What happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006 at 610 North Buchanan was nothing.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Whether, Reginald Day was an alcoholic or not is completely immaterial. A more important question is, was he intoxicated at the time of his encounter with Crystal".

Why has Kenhydera argued that Mr. Daye was an alcoholic?

What evidence has he presented that Mr. Daye was intoxicated?

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, I think you have it wrong when you say a chronic alcoholic can tolerate a level as high as 296 mg% without symptoms. Even in a chronic alcoholic, that blood alcohol level would cause stupor and unconsciousness. Mr. Daye was not unconscious or incoherent at the time he was assaulted.

Harr Supporter said...

Sidney asks: Why has Mangum's attorney not filed a motion to have the murder charge dismissed?

The answer is obvious. Sidney has convinced Crystal that innocence can only be determined when a jury or a judge in lieu of a jury pronounces a defendant "not guilty." Despite the recommendation of her attorney (who believes Sidney's opinion is asinine and that a trial would subject Crystal to unnecessary risk), Crystal insists on going to trial to prove her innocence.

Based on Sidney's arguments, she believes that if she were successful in having the murder charge dismissed, Crystal Mangum would not be innocent of the first degree murder of Reginald Daye.

Although she was successful in forcing the prosecutor to take her arson trial to court, she was not successful in proving her innocence. The prosecutor dropped attempted murder charges before trial, and she believes that as a result, Crystal Mangum is not innocent of the attempted murder of Milton Walker. Similarly, as a result of the hung jury and the prosecutor's decision not to retry the case, she believes that Crystal Mangum is not innocent of first degree felony arson.

Crystal values her reputation. Going through life as "not innocent" of multiple felonies is too heavy a burden to bear.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:03 PM 1/19/12 There were two samples sent to Toxicology. One drawn on April 3 2011 which gave that reading. A second one on April 7th gave a reading of .000. April 26th is the date of the toxicology report

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous %:33 PM 1-19-12 Not necessarily so. Here is what a Law Firm that specializes in defending impaired drivers says on there web-site .................................................................There has been one study that showed that out of 54 subjects who had BACs of 0.20% or more, 24% of them did not show any signs of clinical intoxication. Another study showed that out of 32 subjects, 53% had BACs over 0.30% but showed very little signs of clinical intoxication.

Thus, despite having outward signs or symptoms of driving impairment, there’s no direct connection between people who have high alcohol tolerance and a high BAC level.

People with high alcohol tolerance, or heavy drinkers, have a lower probability of getting into accidents at BACs of 0.08% to 0.10% than do infrequent drinkers at the same BAC levels.

If you’ve been arrested for a DUI, do not hesitate to contact the experienced Milwaukee DUI lawyers at Vanden Heuvel & Dineen, S.C. Simply fill out the form on this page to schedule a free initial consultation.

kenhyderal said...

ooops a typ "their web-site" not there web-site

kenhyderal said...

Harr Supporter said: "Crystal Mangum is not innocent of the attempted murder of Milton Walker. Similarly, as a result of the hung jury and the prosecutor's decision not to retry the case, she believes that Crystal Mangum is not innocent of first degree felony arson" ........... You realize the jury voted 9 to 3 for acquittal of the arson charge and Judge Abe Jones nullified her conviction on misdemeanor child neglect by instructing the jury that that charge could not be sustained if she was not found guilty on the arson charge. He subsequenty stated that the evidence he heard convinced him that Crystal was a good mother.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, Medical authorities(who, unlike your lawyers, are not trying to drum up business, e.g."If you’ve been arrested for a DUI, do not hesitate to contact the experienced Milwaukee DUI lawyers at Vanden Heuvel & Dineen, S.C.") a blood alcohol of .300 would eave an individual incapacitates, regardless of whether or not they are chronic alcoholics. Why did you quote the lawyers rather than directly quoting the studies?

In any event, your last post says that the issue of alcoholism is irrelevant. It raises doubt, regardless of the blood alcohol, that Mr. Daye was impaired and out if control, that alcohol was a factor in the altercation which resulted in Mr. Daye's death.

Sideny claims Mr. Daye was out of control and cites alcohol as a factor.

While we are at it, give a credible, logical reason why the Duke Lacrosse team would allow three innocent team members to be charged with first degree rape rather than identify the real perpetrators.

Why did Mr. Nifong focus on innocent members of the Lacrosse team.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "You realize the jury voted 9 to 3 for acquittal of the arson charge and Judge Abe Jones nullified her conviction on misdemeanor child neglect by instructing the jury that that charge could not be sustained if she was not found guilty on the arson charge."

All that meas is the jury failed to convict her. According to Sideny, that does not establish innocence.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Guys, this is comical. Sid and Kenny-I-know-everything-about-everything are making total fools of themselves. Here they are trying to sound "all scientific and like" (as my kids would say), acting as though they are authorities on Mr. Daye's condition, before he was stabbed, during the time he was in DUH, at the time of his death, and during his autopsy. amazing. Sid, you need to take up gambling because he can actually see and predict events, post and past.
I think Mr. Daye was taken to the planet Mongo and implanted with a device that the Mongo-ites used to kill him later....and I WANT TO KNOW WHY THERE IS NO CURIOSITY ABOUT MY THEORY AND WHY IT HAS NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED!!
Hilarious, fellas.
I will say it again, Sid. Shame on you for your disrespect of Mr. Daye and shame on you for writing something that is a painful and highly offensive LIE. Whatever happened to your "Do no harm" ethic, as if you ever had one?

I have been respectful in my discussion about Mr. Daye's death and autopsy report. First of all, alcoholism is a disease and is nothing to be ashamed of. Reliable sources have told me that Mr. Daye was an alcoholic, and his behavior in lieu of a nearly 300 mg/dl blood alcohol level only tends to confirm that he was, indeed, an alcoholic. Like I said, his condition should not be viewed with shame.

Nifong Supporter said...


kenhyderal said...
Harr Supporter said: "Crystal Mangum is not innocent of the attempted murder of Milton Walker. Similarly, as a result of the hung jury and the prosecutor's decision not to retry the case, she believes that Crystal Mangum is not innocent of first degree felony arson" ........... You realize the jury voted 9 to 3 for acquittal of the arson charge and Judge Abe Jones nullified her conviction on misdemeanor child neglect by instructing the jury that that charge could not be sustained if she was not found guilty on the arson charge. He subsequenty stated that the evidence he heard convinced him that Crystal was a good mother.

Hey, kenhyderal.
Thanks for the informative comment. Could you give me source so that I can use it when discussing the 2010 bogus charges against Crystal? Thanks.

Lance the Intern said...

Sid says "Reliable sources have told me that Mr. Daye was an alcoholic..

Name them.

Anonymous said...

Lance: "Name them[your sources]".

I go with Lance. That you either can not or will not says you have no sources, reliable or otherwise.

Just like you have no cause of action against Duke. If you did, some trial lwyer would have been representing yo on a contingency fee basis.

Anonymous said...

Nifong Supporter, I have reliable sources that will state that you're a moron.

Pretty much anyone who reads this blog.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "[Mr.Daye's] behavior in lieu of a nearly 300 mg/dl blood alcohol level only tends to confirm that he was, indeed, an alcoholic.

Sideny, I say even if he were a chronic alcoholic, that blood alcohol would have had him in a stupor.

If he in fact was a chronic alcoholic who could tolerate that high a blood alcohol, then how culd the blood alcohol be evidence that he initiated the altercation.

Your acolyte Kenny has cited a Law group's advertisement, citing unnamed studies, that heavy drinkers and chronic alcoholics my not be impaired by a high alcohol level. If true(mind you this comes from a law group drumming up their business of helping people who are legally drunk in beating the rap), then their is doubt whether Mr. Daye's alcohol level was relevant.

I say again, you could give your claims credibility by revealing your sources.

Anonymous said...

Sideny, this is something with regard to your frivolous lawsuit against Duke. It deals with the issue of calling Professor Coleman as your witness:

"Best evidence rule: requires that the original source of evidence is required if available; for example, rather than asking a witness about the contents of a document, the actual document should be entered into evidence."

The URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_objections_(law).

It means that the defendant can object to entering Provessor Coleman's statement into evidence when Professor Coleman, whom you have identified as an eye witness, is available to testify.

Sideny again shows his level of enlightenment, or lack thereof

kenhyderal said...

@ Nifong Supporter 7:33AM 1-20-12 My un-verified source for that information was the Durham County News & Observer http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/16/864638/jury-considers-tub-fire.html

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "He[Judge Abe Jones] subsequenty stated that the evidence he heard convinced him that Crystal was a good mother."

Boy did he get it wrong.

Anonymous said...

Sid you are lying. There are no sources that told you reginald daye was an alcoholic. Name them or admit you are a liar. Period. Put up or shut up fella

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 3:00PM 1-20-12 He(Judge Jones) heard sworn evidence from people who know Crystal. Enough evidence, I might add, to declare Crystal "a good Mother" and order that her children be returned to her. What evidence to the contrary do you have. There is a double standard going on here. The various posters, calling themselves Anonymous, are always demanding evidence regarding any views that do fit into their preconcieved notions about of the Duke Lacrosse case and the character of Crystal Mangum. The Duke Lacrosse Case was dropped because there was not sufficient evidence, developed, to get a conviction. Part of the defence strategy was attempting to destroy the credibility of Crystal. To this end they resorted to slander and inuendo. Had they found any real evidence to back up their defamations they would have trumpeted it far and wide.

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 3: 47 AM. I will try and track down the studies quoted by these Lawyers

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "The various posters, calling themselves Anonymous, are always demanding evidence regarding any views that do fit into their preconcieved notions about of the Duke Lacrosse case and the character of Crystal Mangum."

Those anonymous posters are asking to know why people like you believe a crime happened when there was no evidence of a crime. You yourself have admitted there was no evidence to implicate in said alleged crime the three men who were indicted for it. When they successfully defended themselves, you trash them as racists.

I have repeatedly pointed out your non credible hypothesis about the crime, that it was perpetrated by individuals who were not members of the Lacrosse team who were known to the Lacrosse team, but that the Lacrosse team would cover up for those individuals to the extent of allowing there innocent comrades to be indicted for the crime.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "The Duke Lacrosse Case was dropped because there was not sufficient evidence, developed, to get a conviction."

The case was dismissed because there was no evidence of the crime, no evidence to corroborate Crystal Mangum's story, no witnesses to the crime.

The physical examination showed no trauma consistent with rape, only diffuse vaginal edema.

The forensic exam showed no evidence of rape left on the rape kit.

The only DNA found on Crystal Mangum did not match the DNA of any member of the Lacrosse team.

Your statement says you believe that members of the Lacrosse team perpetrated the crime. So why do you not explain there could be no evidence of said crime.

Sideny's explanation that a crime could have happened without leaving evidence is a dodge.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Had they found any real evidence to back up their defamations they would have trumpeted it far and wide."

What defamations did they imply? Specify.

They did uncover evidence that Mr. Nifong was attempting a wrongful prosecution, evidence that he and Brian Meehan had conspired to keep exculpatory evidence from the Defense.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "I will try and track down the studies quoted by these Lawyers"

How about you find some studies that show an alcoholic can have a blood level of 0.296 and be assymptomatic. Most of the information on the web says that blood level causes severe impairment and, no one distinguishes between alcoholics and non alcoholics.

Anonymous said...

Ken:

Please provide specific examples of slander, defamation and innuendo committed by the defense. Your general statements provide no basis for a meaningful discussion.

Once you provide specific examples that you believe are unfair, readers may be able to provide evidence to support some. We can determine what specific actions by the defense were unfair and merit criticism.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Part of the defence strategy was attempting to destroy the credibility of Crystal."

One thing that destroyed the credibility of Crystal was her different, contradicting accounts of what happened to her. The different, conflicting accounts were part of the DA's 1300 page case file which was turned over to the defense.

Another item which destroyed her credibility was her previous attempt to charge three men with gang raping her. That is a matter of public record.

Another item was that she engaged in intercourse with other men before she went to the party. That, too, is part of the DA's case file.

One more item is that only a short time after this alleged brutal gang rape, she engaged in sex with another man and became pregnant by him. None of the three accused were the father.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, in legal terms, you are assuming facts not in evidence. You are assuming that Crystal was raped. That has never been established.

You seem to be thinking like a lot of racists, namely, evidence or no evidence, the Lacrosse defendants should have been convicted simply on the basis of their skin color.

Anonymous said...

The state of North Carolina has blood on its hands.If Crystal Mangum has been prosecuted and imprisoned for falsely accusing innocent young men of raping her when in fact they would never have wanted to touch her then Reginald Daye would still be alive.

Anonymous said...

I say again that describing mr daye as an alcoholic without one shred of evidence is nothing but disrespectful trash coming from sid. And claiming that a crime was committed against mangum by the lacrosse guys has already been proven to be false. There was zero ecidence of a crime against her and much evidence to show, for exaple, that one of the men charged wasn't even at the party when she said she was raped. What kind of weed are you smokin, ken? Mangum needed no help from the defense team to destroy her credibility; she did an excellent job of proving what she was all by herself. You and sid will be harping about all this forever and trying to make yourselves sound important by claiming your pseudo facts and your silly sources.
Sid how does it feel to be arm in arm with aracist homophobic bigot? You and victoria ought to be really proud of yourselves if you go prance around with your jesus signs telling us how marriage is for a man and a woman only and how gay people carry diseases. By the way, a new study just came out last month that shows once again that more than 97% of crimes like pedophilia molestation etc against children are committed by HETEROSEXUAL males.......like priests for example , as in the very Christian moral brow beaters that victoria peterson touts as paragons of virtue.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, is it you or the deacon who said there was no statement to the effect that three Lacrosse players and Crystal were together in the bathroom. The issue is, the bathroom in the house at 610 Buchanan Street was too small to accomodate 4 adults. What one of you claimed that each assailant took a turn going into the bathroom to rape her.

This is from Crystal's statement to the Police on April 6, 2006: "Brett, Adam and Matt took me into the bathroom while, the other guys were watching television, and they closed the door slightly."

Nifong Supporter said...


kenhyderal said...
@ Nifong Supporter 7:33AM 1-20-12 My un-verified source for that information was the Durham County News & Observer http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/12/16/864638/jury-considers-tub-fire.html

Hey, kenhyderal.

Thanks for the source. A lot of Durham stories are not printed in the Raleigh N&O.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sideny, this is something with regard to your frivolous lawsuit against Duke. It deals with the issue of calling Professor Coleman as your witness:

"Best evidence rule: requires that the original source of evidence is required if available; for example, rather than asking a witness about the contents of a document, the actual document should be entered into evidence."

The URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_objections_(law).

It means that the defendant can object to entering Provessor Coleman's statement into evidence when Professor Coleman, whom you have identified as an eye witness, is available to testify.

Sideny again shows his level of enlightenment, or lack thereof

I never professed to be an expert on American juris prudence, and I have readily admitted that I have no legal training.

If the Court demands it, I would call Professor Coleman to testify. But, not only that, I have much of the conversation audio recorded... which is even better than an ear witness account.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:09 said: "Please provide specific examples of slander, defamation and innuendo committed by the defense"....
The Defense team is too savvy to make slanderous allegations themselves. Instead, they rely on surrogates such as posters on the so called "Liestoppers" blog and by Anonymous posters right here. Here is a recent example from Justice4Nifong... "This just in - serial false rape accuser,drunk,drug addict,convicted thief,prostitute,arsonist,child abuser,and all around menace to society Crystal Mangum is judged competent to stand trial for murder.If that's true it's about the only thing she's competent to do"...... Comletely and 100% false. If you don't think these lies emanate from the Defence as a strategy to destroy Crystal's credibility then you are extremely naïve. I challenge the person who wrote such garbage to identify themself

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 4:51 said " you trash them as racists" False! I have never accused any member of the Duke Lacrosse team of being racist.

Anonymous said...

Ken:

Thank you for your evasion.

Given that you propose group responsibility, I will hold you personally responsible for any false statement made by a Nifong apologist or Mangum supporter.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "I have much of the conversation audio recorded... which is even better than an ear witness account."

The best evidence rule would require that Professor Coleman testify, that the recording could not be admitted as evidence.

Anyway, before this you have said you did not intend to call Professor Coleman, that you would not need to because you had your recording.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, first you say the defense team engaged in a campaign to discredit Crystal Mangum, then the bloggers did it. So what is it. You seem to be admitting you can not document a campaign to discredit Ms. Mangum as a false accuser.

The example you give is something which happened long after it was obvious that she had falsely accused three men of raping her. I would not say something like that, but, obnoxious as it is, it is not evidence that the Attorneys who defended the innocent Lacrosse players conducted a campaign to discredit her.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, by your refusal to accept a crime did not happen and de facto claiming this alleged, racially motivated crime happened and was not prosecuted because the accused were white, you are calling the defendants racist.

kenhyderal said...

That would take a "de facto"

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "I never professed to be an expert on American juris prudence, and I have readily admitted that I have no legal training."

So, on what basis do you claim the authority to declare the Lacrosse defendants guilty, to declare that the evidence Mr. Nifong withheld was not exculpatory, that the ethics offenses with which Mr. Nifong was charged were trumped up, that his ethics trial was unfair?

You have just amitted you have no legal expertise.

Anonymous said...

From Kenhyderal: "This just in - serial false rape accuser,drunk,drug addict,convicted thief,prostitute,arsonist,child abuser,and all around menace to society Crystal Mangum is judged competent to stand trial for murder.If that's true it's about the only thing she's competent to do"...... Comletely and 100% false. If you don't think these lies emanate from the Defence as a strategy to destroy Crystal's credibility then you are extremely naïve. I challenge the person who wrote such garbage to identify themself".

I say again, this is something published years after all charges against the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse player were dismissed. It is not evidence that their attorneys conducted any campaign to malign Ms. Mangum.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "The Defense team is too savvy to make slanderous allegations themselves. Instead, they rely on surrogates such as posters on the so called "Liestoppers" blog and by Anonymous posters right here."

What you are really saying is that you can not back up your allegations.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @2:29 said: "it is not evidence that the Attorneys who defended the innocent Lacrosse players conducted a campaign to discredit her".... The declared innocent not the found innocent. That's true, but, are you sugessting a Defence Team in a rape case would never try to find ways to destroy the credibility of an accuser and if facts concerning any lack of credibility were missing to try and call it into question by whatever means they could. And, one way to do that in thisa day and age is anonymously via the blogosphere

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:43 said: " What you are really saying is that you can not back up your allegations" True, all I can rely on is common practice among Defence Attorneys, admitted to. You might find this artice from The Journal of the Law Society informative. http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/Readings/ProsecutingRape.html

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "The declared innocent not the found innocent. That's true, but, are you sugessting a Defence Team in a rape case would never try to find ways to destroy the credibility of an accuser and if facts concerning any lack of credibility were missing to try and call it into question by whatever means they could. And, one way to do that in thisa day and age is anonymously via the blogosphere".

Kenny, I am saying you have nothing to corroborate your allegation that the attorneys defending the innocent, falsely accused lacrosse players conducted a deliberate campaign to malign the accuser. You offer speculation, not proof.

kenhyderal said...
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Anonymous said...

Kenhydral: "'What you are really saying is that you can not back up your allegations' True, all I can rely on is common practice among Defence Attorneys, admitted to.

In this case, you have to prove the defense attorneys for the three falsely accused Lacrosse players used a campaign to malign Ms. Mangum to get their clients off. You have not done that.

There was so much inadequacy in Mr. Nifong's case that it was not necessary to discredit Ms. Mangum to show Mr. Nifong conducted a wrongful prosecution.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:05 said " You offer speculation, not proof" Conceeded. Proof of such clandestine behaviour by experience Defence Attorneys will be impossible. All I can rely on is anonymously admitted common practice.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 3:05 said " There was so much inadequacy in Mr. Nifong's case that it was not necessary to discredit Ms. Mangum to show Mr. Nifong conducted a wrongful prosecution" This was not known at the time the initial campaign began. It continues now because of the pending civil suits.

Anonymous said...

I accept that the dense team attempted successfully to attack the credibility of the accuser. I do not accept that they engaged in a campaign of slander and defamation to do so. I do not accept that they orchestrated an effort by anonymous commenter on sparsely read websites to do so. I do not accept that this defense effort continues today. I want you to identify those statements made by the defense--and not anonymous commenters--that are false.

I expect you to criticize Nifong for every false statement in the media (the NY Times, the Herald-Sun and Nancy Grace will provide a good start) in March and April and continuing thereafter. I expect you to criticize Nifong for every crazy statement made by anonymous commenters on blogs.

Every statement.

Harr Supporter said...

Ken preposterously claims: it continues now because of the civil suits..

This is an absolutely idiotic statement.

Ken may not have realized this, but Crystal is not a defendant in any of the suit. None of the players are suing Crystal.

There is no need to attack Crystal's credibity at this point. She has none. The AG concluded that the charges were false, even though she may have believed her allegations.

The focus now is on whether the DPD and Nifong reacted reasonably. Ken has claimed the DPD was completely incompetent and Nifong was negligent. Other have alleged a deliberate frame.

Neither is a valid defense against the suits.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "All I can rely on is anonymously admitted common practice."

That's not much to rely on.

kenhyderal said...

Harr Supporter said: "There is no need to attack Crystal's credibity at this point".... Having called into queston her credibility at the time of the accusation they continue to do so in order to bolster their case against The City of Durham whose agents considered Crystal credible and proceeded with the case.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "This was not known at the time the initial campaign began [the inadequacy of Mr. Nifong's case]".

Yes it was. Forensic examination of the rape kit revealed no evidence of a rape. Mr. Nifong knew that. He decided to prosecute anyway.

What the defense team focused on early in the case was the inadequacy if Mr. Nifong's case

Crystal's identity was not revealed until the case had gone on for several months.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Having called into queston her credibility at the time of the accusation they continue to do so in order to bolster their case against The City of Durham whose agents considered Crystal credible and proceeded with the case."

One basis of the case against Durham is that they should have known early on that Crystal was NOT credible. The memorialized medical record recorded no evidence of rape. There was no forensic evidence of rape. Crystal gave differing, inconsistent accounts of what happened.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal(again): "Having called into queston her credibility at the time of the accusation they continue to do so in order to bolster their case against The City of Durham whose agents considered Crystal credible and proceeded with the case."

You have admitted earlier today you can not document any attempt on the part of the defense attorneys to malign Ms. Mangum.

You base your claim on a post to this blog by someone years after the case was dismissed. That is not evidence of any attempt on the part of the defense attorneys to attack Ms. Mangum.

kenhyderal said...

Perhaps that anonymous poster would like to come forth and reveal where he came up with such rubbish

Harr Supporter said...

Having called into queston her credibility at the time of the accusation they continue to do so in order to bolster their case against The City of Durham whose agents considered Crystal credible and proceeded with the case.

The DPD did not conduct a bona fide investigation. Why not?

I do not believe that the record supports your allegation that they found Crystal credible.

You claim you are unable to speculate whether the DPD was unbelievably incompetent or whether they attempted a deliberate frame, citing limitations in the evidence, but you are able to come up with the most idiotic conclusions possible with no evidence at all to support your speculation.

You owe me answers to a number of questions regarding the faux DPD investigation.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Perhaps that anonymous poster would like to come forth and reveal where he came up with such rubbish".

Rubbish or not, it is not evidence that the Lacrosse team's attorneys orchestrated an attack on Ms. Mangum.

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Anonymous said...

You da man, Kenny, you da man.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, what about the attack launched against the Lacrosse team. Before any evidence was in, Mr. Nifong said that a rape had occurred, that members of the Lacrosse team had perpetrated the attack, and that the attack was racially motivated.

He went on to say things that implied that members of the team who retained lawyers were guilty, that those who would not talk to the police are guilty. These are violations of fundamental Constitutionally defined rights.

Anonymous said...

Ken and sid and the whacks on this site who are supposedly nifong supporters, KNOW that nifong deserved exactly what he got. No, that's really not right either. He deserved justice and he should have gotten a far more severe penalty for his lying corruption and his conspiracy to sacrifice innocent men for a durham DA job. They also KNOW mangum is NOT a simple innocent sweet substance free hard working single mom just trying to raise her children in a good home. They have no problem throwing around labels of others but take offense at those who label mangum. They never quite remember that in this country a person is innocent until proven guilty..... nOT the other way around. And they want to make excuses around some totally false theory that the defense attorneys , back in the 06-07 timeframe, brewed up a trash mangum campaign that, to this very day, makes it impossible for poor sister to avoid stabbing a man.
The absolute hilarity of this flub lies in the silly nonsense that both these pseudo- intellectuals spout

Harr Supporter said...

Ken:

Your comment is far less informative that Sidney suggests. It was informative only in confirming Sidney's unbelievable ignorance of the facts.

You realize the jury voted 9 to 3 for acquittal of the arson charge

Yes, I did realize this.

This was reported in the local press at the time and discussed on this blog. You realize that a hung jury (even if in favor of the defendant) does not result in an acquittal.

Because there was no "not guilty" verdict and the prosecutor decided to drop charges, Sidney must believe that Mangum is not innocent of felony arson. Don't blame me for his odd definition of innocence.

and Judge Abe Jones nullified her conviction on misdemeanor child neglect by instructing the jury that that charge could not be sustained if she was not found guilty on the arson charge.

This comment is not quite correct.

Jones initially instructed the jury that they should not convict Mangum on the child neglect charges unless they found her guilty of arson. He subsequently modified those instructions over the objection of Mangum's counsel. He did not "nullify" the conviction as you incorrectly suggest. Mangum remains guilty of child neglect.

I ask that you correct your erroneous statement.

He subsequenty stated that the evidence he heard convinced him that Crystal was a good mother.

This is correct.

Jones made this statement during the sentencing phase. He did not provide an explanation.

His opinion of her mothering skills does not override her convictions. As such, Sidney continues to believe that Mangum is not innocent of the charges.

kenhyderal said...

Harr Supporter said " Mangum remains guilty of child neglect" Technically speaking yes but Judge Jones made it clear that in reality sustainment of this required her to be found guilty of arson

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Well goody sid. We all just cant wait to hear the sound of tap dancing and avoidance. You say peterson is a member of your committee, that tells the rest of us that you have no problem with letting the nazis and the klan join, seeing as how you like to lump folks into groups. Maybe victoria would like to do a guest piece on homosexuals and disease, subtitled " they are all filthy scum, lets kill em ". Shame on you for allowing a bigot's photo on your web site. Shame

Commenters to this blog have referred to me as a racist and homophobe, neither of which are true. Am I to take your word for it that members of the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong are homophobic just on your say so? I invite you to read the blog which I will be posting in a matter of minutes... and hopefully you will be enlightened.

Nifong Supporter said...


Anonymous said...
Sideny: "I never professed to be an expert on American juris prudence, and I have readily admitted that I have no legal training."

So, on what basis do you claim the authority to declare the Lacrosse defendants guilty, to declare that the evidence Mr. Nifong withheld was not exculpatory, that the ethics offenses with which Mr. Nifong was charged were trumped up, that his ethics trial was unfair?

You have just amitted you have no legal expertise.

True, I admitted to not being an expert on the law and not having any formal legal training, however, I did not admit to being an idiot. There are basic concepts and definitions, such as "exculpatory" that the average layperson, such as yourself I presume, should be able to comprehend. Also, for the record, I never declared that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were guilty.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "Also, for the record, I never declared that the Duke Lacrosse defendants were guilty."

If you did not believe the Lacrosse players were guilty, you would not be publishing statements that the AG's belief they were innocent has no legal weight.

You would not be calling Crystal Mangum a victim of anyone but Mike Nifong.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "There are basic concepts and definitions, such as "exculpatory" that the average layperson, such as yourself I presume, should be able to comprehend."

I comprehend the meaning of "exculpatory". You have demonstrated you do not via your statements that the evidence Mike Nifong withheld from the innocent, falsely accused lacrosse players was not exculpatory.

Anonymous said...

Sideny, you are unaware of how the legal system functions as is evidenced by your belief that your frivolous lawsuit is meritorious simply because you insist it is.

Anonymous said...

Sideny: "...I did not admit to being an idiot."

I did not say you were an idiot. I said you are a deluded megalomaniac.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 8:42 AM said: "They also KNOW mangum is NOT a simple innocent sweet substance free hard working single mom just trying to raise her children in a good home" .......... I do KNOW Crystal Mangum and she IS a substance free hard working single Mom who tried to raise her children in a good home. Assertions to the contrary are only based on
cruel lies that have been widely circulated. The motive for which I"ll leave up to others to speculate upon. I have my own opinion from where they emanate.

Walt said...

Sid wrote: "Hey, Walt.
Regarding your first point, that is exactly what I'm suggesting. Is it not possible that a new and unrelated actor who was brainwashed by the media and hated Crystal could have possibly gave Daye an injection of insulin?"
sure, and Col. Mustard is the suspect. ROFL. No evidence to support your claim.

"That could account for his brain death. There is nothing further to account for it. Surely the stab wound to the torso did not result in brain death." Again you are making the overturn the felony murder rule argument without explaining why.

"Regarding your second point, there is no evidence that Mangum or her stab wound caused Daye's coma, and Mangum certainly did not have anything to do with removing Mr. Daye from life support, which was the proximate cause of his death." We have been over this time and time again, medical decisions are not intervening causes under our felony murder rule. You have failed to offer any reason to overturn the rule. Again.

"...(Hint: the lesions noted in the 14th report are fabricated with the exception of the lesion to the splenic flexure of the colon which was mentioned in the report of the 13th.)" There you go off into fantasy again. Not persuasive.

Walt-in-Durham

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "I do KNOW Crystal Mangum and she IS a substance free hard working single Mom who tried to raise her children in a good home. Assertions to the contrary are only based on cruel lies that have been widely circulated."

Quote the cruel lies, and the source thereof.

kenhyderal said...

@ Anonymous 12:35 PM 1-23-12.... I gave an example on this thread ( on 1-21-12 at 1:36 PM) by one of its many Anonymous posters. Such cruel lies are often found here and on the Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers blog. I can only speculate on the motive for such venom.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, you quoted a post which was publicized on this blog months after the Lacrosse players were recognized as innocent, that the crime of which they were accused did not happen.

Cite some examples, if you can, of "Such cruel lies" which were promulgated at the time the three innocent Lacrosse players were indicted for the alleged crime.

kenhyderal said...

On April 11, 2007, North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper dropped all charges Here's a typical example of what I'm talking about.(a 30 second search) Posted March 16 2007 in response to a Group of 88 poster "Amazing. Does someone like that just not realize how much she discredits real rape victims by contuining to give aid and comfort to a whore who everyone knows is lying (indeed, who even seem to be acknowledging as much tacitly by refusing to talk any further to investigators -- maybe she'll eventually plead the Fifth)?

Seriously, does this dumb broad actually believe there is a scintilla of a chance Crystal Mangum isn't a lying whore? If not, then why continue trying to give her excuses and breathe life into this ridiculous allegation? Is the sisterhood so strong that she fears exclusion from the Womyn's Study conferences if she says, yep, this crazy whore's a liar? What is inconsistent with being a strong advocate for real rape victims and at the same time saying, yeah, but this is a lying whore psycho bitch who doesn't deserve such advocacy? Is she still hung up on the "women don't lie about rape" dogma when it's obvious that sometimes they do (and here, did)?

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, you refuse to realize that Crystal Mangum did lie about being raped, as have a number of women before her. Women who falsely claim they have been raped do adversely affect the credibility of true rape victims.

In any event, the post to which you referred, which you admit is a response to a group of 88 post, is not evidence that the Lacrosse players of their attorneys carried on a campaign to discredit Crystal Mangum.

The challenge was to provide evidence that the Lacrosse players and their attorneys did orchestrate such a campaign. Your speculation is not evidence.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, why do you not comment about the campaign orchestrated by DA Nifong and the Durham Police Department to discredit the Duke Lacrosse team? Contrary to your belief DA Nifong did it to gain the support of Durham African American voters.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 2:47 AM said " Your speculation is not evidence " True; see the concession that I posted 1-21-12 @ 3:13 PM. I have repeatedly asked the Anonymous posters who hurl cruel epithets at Crystal to sight what basis they have for their labels. They will have to conceed the only source for them has came from things they have heard and read on-line. Slanderous gossip planted surreptitiously grows exponentially. I know these things are untrue and yet they have wide credence. But, I guess it's a defect in human nature that no one gossips about another person virtues. I would like to set the record straight about Crystal but it's an uneven fight.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "I would like to set the record straight about Crystal but it's an uneven fight."

It is an uneven fight because you will not believe that Crystal lied and falsely accused three innocent men of raping her. That is the straight record. You are trying to distort it.

Lance the Intern said...

Kenhyderal -- You want to set the record straight? Please identify the errors in this article from the News and Observer.

kenhyderal said...

The 2002 incident has been blown completely out of proportion. The taxi driver was not victimised. There was no charge of theft only misdamenor larcency as there was a disputed contention that the taxi driver had given her the keys and she though she had his permission. There was one charge of evading police because she failed to stop promptly but this was certainly not the high speed chase that has been described There was no charge of attemped vehicular homicide. The charge of felonius assult against a police officer with a deadly weapon was dropped in favor of "assult on a goverment employee". She had accidentally bumped the police officer who stopped her for speeding. She blew 1.2 mg/dl which is always described as nearly double the legal limit. For this she was sentenced to 3 weekends in gaol and 2 years of probation. She was 24 at the time.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, Crystal was charged with multiple penalties and, as happens all too often, was allowed to plead to lesser charges.

What you seem to ignore was that she did falsely accuse three innocent men of raping her. They defended themselves, which is what you label as an orchestrated campaign to discredit her.

What exactly is wrong about discrediting an accuser who deliberately falsely accuses men of raping her?

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 5:51 PM said: "What exactly is wrong about discrediting an accuser who deliberately falsely accuses men of raping her". Deliberately? Falsely? If so, why did AG Cooper decline to charge Crystal with deliberately making a false accusation. He would have had less chance of getting a conviction on that then Attorney Nifong would of had on convicting the three accused. It's called "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "If so, why did AG Cooper decline to charge Crystal with deliberately making a false accusation."

AG Cooper made that clear when he expressed his belief that the falsely accused Lacrosse players were innocent. Crystal may have been deluded, and he felt nothing would be served by prosecuting her.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Deliberately? Falsely?"

Yes, considering she never said rape until someone asked her a leading question, told conflicting stories, could not reliably identify any of the Lacrosse players as her assailants.

And, as you have conceded in multiple posts, there was no evidence which incriminated any member of the Lacrosse team. There was no evidence that a rape had happened in the first place.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: How is this consistent with your hypothesis, that there were people at the party who were not lacrosse players, that some of those people perpetrated the alleged rae, that they were not tested to identify them as suspects.

Let's not forget the least credible part of your hypothesis, that members of the Lacrosse team knew who the perpetrators were but covered up for them, even to the extent of allowing three innocent Lacrosse players to be indicted.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "He[AG Cooper] would have had less chance of getting a conviction[against Crystal Mangum for filing a false police report] on that then Attorney Nifong would of had on convicting the three accused. It's called 'beyond a reasonable doubt'."

Yes he did. He had overwhelming evidence.

So you do admit Mr. Nifong could not have proved his case beyond a reasonable doubt. That was apparent early in the case when the evidence did not implicate any Lacrosse player in the alleged crime, a fact you have already conceded.

So why did Mr. Nifong continue to prosecute? An ethical prosecutor would not have done so.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

I should have said, Yes Mr. Cooper would have gotten a conviction. He had overwhelming evidence to support the charge.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "...why did AG Cooper decline to charge Crystal with deliberately making a false accusation."

Here we have Kenny and Sideny collaborating on a bit of hypocrisy.

Mr. Nifong's office never interviewed Ms. Mangum until 9 months into the case. On that interview, Ms. Mangum could not specifically recall penetration(although the crime described in the medical record and the transcript of the April 4 lineup penetration is alleged. Mr. Nifong drops the Rape charges but continues to prosecute for sexual assault. Sideny says this shows Mr. Nifong was an ethical prosecutor.

Mr. Cooper decides not to prosecute Ms. Mangum because he believes nothing will be accomplished by doing so. Does Kenny recognize thatMr. Cooper was not only ethical but merciful? Hardly.

kenhyderal said...

Hardly is right. In this case "the quality of mercy was strained" This was a self-serving decision recognizing that a conviction would not be possible and there might even be a chance that evidence would come out casting doubt upon his pronouncement of innocence.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Hardly is right. In this case "the quality of mercy was strained" This was a self-serving decision recognizing that a conviction would not be possible and there might even be a chance that evidence would come out casting doubt upon his pronouncement of innocence."

Kenny you again got it grossly wrong. AG Cooper had enough evidence to convict. Had Crystal gone to trial, the result would have confirmed AG Cooper's belief that the Lacrosse defendants were innocent.

Who have you been relying upon for your information on the Judicial System? Most likely Sideny, who has admitted he has little to no legal expertise.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal, can you comment on why Crystal never filed a civil suit against the Lacrosse defendants. Is it because she would have had to prove her case and she could not?

Vincent Clark(who orchestrated her memoir) said she did not sue because she was not interested in money. When she announced her memoir, she said she would donate some of the proceeds to women's charities. Had she won a big judgment she could have donated a lot of money to women's charities.

The most logical reason why she did not sue is she did not have a case.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "This was a self-serving decision recognizing that a conviction would not be possible and there might even be a chance that evidence would come out casting doubt upon his pronouncement of innocence."

No it wasn't. Mr Cooper was showing mercy to someone who needed it.

Kenny shows only he is incapable of recognizing mercy.

kenhyderal said...

Attacks on Crystal,on this blog, by Anonymous posters have been merciless.

Anonymous said...

No, Ken...It's just words here on this blog. Sticks and stones and all that.
It's not like anyone on this blog stabbed Crystal with a knife and left her to die. That, Ken, would be merciless.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal: "Attacks on Crystal,on this blog, by Anonymous posters have been merciless."

Kenny, had you been paying attention, most anonymous posts have been directed at the distortions you try to peddle as facts.

How is it an attack on Crystal to point out you got it wrong when you claimed Crystal was rendered impaired bay a drink she was given at the party?

So far as her allegations of rape, the facts show clearly this was a false accusation.

Anonymous said...

Kenhyderal:

On the subject of mercy, is it merciful to charge three innocent men with first degree rape and then attempt to prosecute them even there is no evidence to incriminate them?

By your own allegations, that there were men at the party who perpetrated the rape but were not DNA tested, you concede the three Lacrosse players who were indicted were in fact innocent.

I ask you again, was it merciful to prosecute them?