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In a Durham courtroom last Friday, December 7, 2012, Defense Attorney Woody Vann, who was appointed as Crystal Mangum’s backup assistant, brought before the court his scheduled Monday, December 10th meeting with Black Mountain forensic pathologist Christena L. Roberts, M.D., and an unidentified member from the Capital Defender’s office where the tête-à-tête was to take place. This clandestine meeting had been arranged by Mr. Vann without the knowledge of Ms. Mangum, the murder defendant who is representing herself with his appointment as a backup assistant. The stated purpose of this meeting was to discuss Dr. Roberts’ sudden concerns about the privacy rights of the deceased Reginald Daye (the intoxicated abuser who was stabbed by Mangum in self-defense on April 3, 2011). Upon hearing about this gathering for the first time while at her court hearing, Mangum expressed her desire to be present.
Honorable Judge Michael O’Foghludha, one of a revolving door of black robers to preside over Mangum’s hearings, instructed for her to be in attendance (brought over from jail in chains and leg irons) at the get-together. However, the judge set a condition that the meeting was to consist only of Dr. Roberts, Mr. Vann, an unidentified person from the Capital Defense office, and Crystal Mangum. In other words, Sidney B. Harr, a retired physician and supporter of Mangum, was not invited.
In my blog of December 8, 2012, I made the following insightful and prophetic statements:
“A written report by Roberts for a ten hour investigation not completed after more than five months? It doesn’t make sense. What does make since is her desire not to produce a written report about Reginald Daye’s death or the autopsy report by North Carolina Deputy Chief Medical Examiner Clay Nichols. Dr. Roberts is well aware that any report she drafts will directly implicate Duke University Hospital in Daye’s death, and it will support my contention, all along, that Medical Examiner Nichols’ autopsy report of April 14, 2011, contains false findings and an unsupported conclusion regarding Daye’s death. In addition, the report will sink the prosecution’s claim that Mangum’s stabbing of Daye (which was in self-defense) was the direct and proximate cause of his death.”
I also stated as follows regarding this mysterious meeting arranged behind Mangum’s back and its objectives:
“Why travel all the way from Black Mountain, NC, to Durham just in order to give Crystal Mangum a verbal report only… which is what I am expecting. My expectation is that after five months with no written report at hand, Dr. Christena Roberts has no intention of putting in writing the sins of Dr. Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham. This trip, I believe, is part of an intricate ploy to attempt to address Judge Robert Hobgood’s order to provide Ms. Mangum with a written report and yet still not put anything in writing. It’s time for the gamesmanship by Durham prosecutors and turncoat defense attorneys to stop and for Dr. Roberts to immediately provide Mangum with a written report as directed by Judge Hobgood.”
And, for good measure, using Sherlockian deduction, I averred:
“If a written report from Dr. Roberts is forthcoming on the possible Monday visit, I will be shocked.” Unfortunately, I was not shocked… this Monday, December 10th, there was no report from Dr. Roberts.
On Monday, December 10, 2012, at about 3:00 pm, Vann, Roberts, and Mangum convened at the Capital Defenders office, without the presence of the unidentified person from the office. This meeting, most likely orchestrated by Mr. Vann was to help the forensic pathologist Dr. Roberts contravene Judge Robert Hobgood’s order to produce a written report (about Reginald Daye’s death and autopsy) and turn it over to Crystal Mangum. Judge O’Foghludha’s order limiting attendees at this meeting (in particular excluding Mangum supporter Dr. Harr) left Ms. Mangum, a tethered lamb, in a den of famished jackals. Had Dr. Harr been invited to the soiree to look after Mangum’s interests, you can bet that Dr. Roberts would have been a no-show.
For what Ms. Mangum estimated to be three hours, she stated that Dr. Roberts went over the April 14, 2011 Autopsy Examination Report prepared by Dr. Clay Nichols, the North Carolina Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, point by point. According to Mangum, the doctor stated that Dr. Nichols’ autopsy report was essentially accurate. When queried about the perforation to the left lung mentioned in the autopsy report and its absence in the operative report, Dr. Roberts tried to convince Mangum that it is possible for surgeons to miss certain lesions that are found at autopsy… in other words, the emergency department doctors, radiologists, and trauma surgeons at Duke University Hospital, missed a laceration to the left lung and diaphragm. This explanation is a variant on another explanation given earlier from Dr. Roberts via Woody Vann which explained that the lesion to the left lung was caused by the insertion of a chest tube… in other words, Duke University Hospital medical staff injured Daye’s left lung while introducing a chest tube. I am not sure what explanation Dr. Roberts gave for the autopsy report stating that the fundus of the stomach had a sutured laceration whereas the operative report mentioned that the stomach appeared to be normal. In addition to discrepancies between the autopsy report and other medical records of Daye with regards to the left kidney and diaphragm, there is also the question of the multiple left upper extremity lesions described by Dr. Nichols as “defensive injuries”… their presence being contradicted by a preoperative orthopedic consultation and EMS assessment of Daye at the scene. Not only that, but prosecution discovery photographs showed no lesions to the left upper extremity, neither during his hospitalization nor postmortem.
At this meeting, Dr. Roberts and Attorney Vann spent three hours attempting to convince Crystal Mangum that the autopsy report by Dr. Clay Nichols was accurate and correct, and that the case against her was strong. In particular, they tried to make her believe that if they were to produce a written report, it would be detrimental to her case, and be subject to retrieval by the prosecution. This makes absolutely no sense because if the prosecution wanted, they could easily hire their own forensic pathologist to review the autopsy report… but they won’t, because it knows that that would only bring to light the flaws of the Nichols report.
In avoiding the order by Judge Hobgood for Dr. Roberts to produce a written report and send it to Mangum, Dr. Roberts and Woody Vann are hoping that this Monday meeting is a satisfactory substitute. Dr. Roberts even went so far as to say to Mangum that she would not produce a written report. She also told Ms. Mangum that she had not yet completed her investigation.
Well, congratulations are in order for Mr. Vann who has successfully turned Dr. Roberts to the Dark Side… welcoming her to the growing list of conspirators bent on convicting Mangum (the victim of domestic violence) of the first degree murder of Reginald Daye – whose death for which she was not responsible. All along, since he was first appointed by the Court to represent Crystal Mangum against charges related to the April 3, 2011 incident, Mr. Vann’s mission was to work with the prosecution in convicting Mangum, to protect Medical Examiner Clay Nichols (who went out of his way to prepare a fraudulent report to facilitate a murder conviction with a life sentence), to conceal Duke University Hospital’s culpability in Daye’s death, and to eliminate any legal liability against the City of Durham for its malicious prosecution and unjust incarceration of Mangum.
Dr. Christena L. Roberts finds herself entrapped in this legal morass of false statements and intrigue, without an easy means with which to extricate herself. Had she been cognizant of the pitfalls beforehand of being forced to tell the truth and incriminating the state’s deputy chief medical examiner, Dr. Roberts would never have undertaken the assignment. Realistically, there is no other medical examiner or physician in the Tar Heel State who would be willing to review Reginald Daye’s death and autopsy. That is because they all lack Nifongian courage*. They’re afraid to buck the Powers-That-Be.
For Dr. Roberts to defy Judge Hobgood’s order to provide a written report to Mangum is an outrage and affront to the principles of equal justice for all. Mangum is deserving of it so that she can prepare her defense. The defiance of Hobgood’s order along with the entire vendetta-driven case is a humongous blot on the state of North Carolina, and all Durhamians and Tar Heelians should be shamed and embarrassed by it.
Unfortunately, the mainstream media, which has shown much interest in cell phone records of former UNC football coach Butch Davis, and the many parking tickets accrued by UNC football players that were surreptitiously paid off, lacks even a scintilla of apparent curiosity about the autopsy report by Dr. Clay Nichols… despite the report’s inconsistencies and contradictions with other medical records that are easily understandable by anyone with a fifth grade reading comprehension level. By assuming a position of ignorance of the misdeeds and malfeasances associated with the Mangum’s prosecution based on Nichols’ criminally fraudulent autopsy report, the mainstream media, both locally and nationally, can join the Durham prosecutorial team, Mangum’s defense attorneys, and now Dr. Christena L. Roberts in protecting the state’s Deputy Chief Medical Examiner Clay Nichols, Duke University Hospital, and the City of Durham. By not providing a written report, Dr. Roberts is protecting herself, as well.
* “Nifongian courage” is from the Dictionary of Harr and is defined as: “the courage to do the right thing in the face of the most harsh and extreme consequences.”
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So, sidney, you think it's fair for poster to consider you a serial criminal because there was a criminal charge made against you at some point in your past? You think posters are allowed to draw conclusions that you are a criminal, and assert these conclusions as "facts"? You must think this is completely fair because this is precisely the behavior in which you engage when you label Mr. Daye an alcoholic and woman beating wild man...........based on ONE charges, from years ago, that was DROPPED.....much less changed" to a civil matter and settled out of court"....which is what you claim in your past.
Surely the pot can continue to call the kettle black....
Posters can draw any conclusions they wish. I am a strong proponent of freedom of thought and freedom of expression... no matter how warped or disconnected with reality.
With regards to Daye, my statements have been statements of fact, nothing more.
Lance The Intern said...
By all means Sidney, please, er, enlighten us. What did the NC State Bar say to you?
Hey, Intern.
I know you are anxious, but you'll have to hold on to your horses for a couple of days. I am working on my brilliant response, and as soon as I have completed it, I will post it along with the Complaint made by the State Bar.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Posters can draw any conclusions they wish. I am a strong proponent of freedom of thought and freedom of expression... no matter how warped or disconnected with reality."
The only freedom of expression of which you approve is expression of warped and untrue.
"With regards to Daye, my statements have been statements of fact, nothing more."
Your statements about Reginald Daye are unsupported allegations, nothing more.
What about the evidence you have tried to conceal - the evidence that Mr. Daye WAS NOT an habitual violent abuser of women.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Lance The Intern said...
By all means Sidney, please, er, enlighten us. What did the NC State Bar say to you?
"Hey, Intern.
I know you are anxious, but you'll have to hold on to your horses for a couple of days. I am working on my brilliant response, and as soon as I have completed it, I will post it along with the Complaint made by the State Bar."
In other words you are going to present another rehash of all your uncorroborated allegations about the non existent carpetbagger jihad, the non existent vendetta against Crystal. You are working on another compendium of your lies.
SIDNEY HARR:
"
* “Nifongian courage” is from the Dictionary of Harr and is defined as: “the courage to do the right thing in the face of the most harsh and extreme consequences.”
“Nifongian courage” is an oxymoron. You mean the Dictionary of Harr Oxymorons.
SIDNEY HARR:
From the online slang dictionary;
Definition of "nifong".
"slander, accuse or persecute without cause"
Boy is SIDNEY HARR p---ed off because he will not be given access to confidential information to which he has no legal right.
More comedy.....tethered lamb....ooooo, I like that one. A criminal with a decade long rap sheet, multiple convictions, a known trick turner,the morals and vocabulary (I'm gonna stab you, M-F", and, "I'M gonna fxxx you up") of a house cat, and a killer.......a tethered lamb?? Harr has his shorts in a twist, doesn't he, folks.
Lance is exactly right.....Harr is doing everything in his power to see to it that Mangum goes away, to make license plates, for a very long time.
Poor sidney....sad little man
Harr is an idiot. It has already been pointed out to him that it would be extremely detrimental to Mangum's defense if a written report by Roberts were to be produced. Now, it is even more clear (as if it needed to be)that Vann was absolutely on target in NOT wanting Roberts to produce a written report. My understanding is that a WRITTEN report would be subject to discovery and that the prosecution would immediately request and gain access to the report. Further, since it is clear that Roberts found no smoking gun for Mangum in Roberts' review, it would be a blow to Mangum's case if a written report of Roberts's findings and conclusions were produced. How big an asshat does Harr now wear, given that it CLEARLY shows the damage to Mangum that will no doubt occur if/as/when Roberts produces a written report and it gets into the hands of the prosecution. Mangum better focus her efforts to build a self defense claim someplace other than the medical records in the case. She better pay attention to competent counsel....and for god sake, she better tell Harr to stick it. He is doing everything he can to put her in prison!
SIDNEY HARR:
"Sidney B. Harr, a retired physician and supporter of Mangum, was not invited."
You mean Sidney B. Harr, a thoroughly incompetent physician was not invited because he illegally accesses confidential material and illegally posts it.
Well, of course Dr. Roberts is a member of the evil white oppressor phantom jihad. She's white! And, even worse, she didn't suck up to Harr, didn't answer his letter of demands, didn't kiss his ring, didn't recognize him as Mangum's real lawyer, etc. My goodness, such disrespect from a white woman would automatically land her in the jihad doghouse. The nerve of the woman!
The damage to Mangum's case aside, I find the latest flub from Harr to be one of his funniest yet. Poor man......soiree? thank god he has his little thesarus handy.... tethered lamb? funny beyond words. Can't you just see the knife-totin, expletive spitting, cat scratchin' Mangum in her little lamb suit!!!!
SIDNEY HARR:
"And, for good measure, using Sherlockian deduction, I averred:"
Another lie. You are incapable of rational deduction, Sherlockian or otherwise.
By my count, we have 3 medical experts (Clay Nichols, Christena Roberts, and the anonymous surgeon that posts here) that have all agreed on the cause of death for Mr. Daye.
Rather than accept their conclusions, Sidney would rather create a vast web of conspiracy.
Sid -- I have another word for you to add to your "Dictionary of Harr". That word is "denial".
It is quite common for tube insertion to cause some degree of "lesion"....
The sutured laceration to the stomach, depending on location and extent, would also be described as normal or unremarkable
There were scratch marks on Daye's upper left arm that are clearly visible in the photos.
Harr is full of bull
SIDNEY HARR:
"In my blog of December 8, 2012, I made the following insightful and prophetic statements:"
Another lie. You have never made any insightful statements on your blog. So far as you ability to prophesy, you were prophesying that Dr. Roberts' report would discredit Dr. Nichols' report.
My goodness, lance, you KNOW sidney harr's vast medical experience, wisdom and skill FAR outweigh those of the multiple physicians who looked after and evaluated Daye, his cause of death, and the findings in his autopsy report. Goodness gracious! Harr is a retired ED physician, working somewhere, at some time, with a criminal charge in his past and fifth line mention in one marginal journal article from two decades ago. You KNOW that makes him absolutely more qualified than any/all of those trauma surgeons, pulmologists, forensic pathologists and others who actually treated Daye. Gosh, Lance....wake up, we have a bleepin' medical genius in our midst. Oh, and of course, he has the man from glad on his side, so golly, lance, pay attention!
Speaking of denial....there are STILL black folks like Al sharpton who run around the country, trying to get publicity for themselves ....by claiming (like Nifong) that"something happened to Tawana Brawley....In spite of:....
"Under the authority of New York State Attorney General Robert Abrams, a grand jury was called to hear evidence. On October 6, 1988, the Abrams Grand Jury released its 170-page report concluding Brawley had not been abducted, assaulted, raped and sodomized, as had been claimed by Brawley and her advisers. The report further concluded that the "unsworn public allegations against Dutchess County Assistant District Attorney Steven Pagones" were false and had no basis in fact. To issue the report, the Grand Jury heard from 180 witnesses, saw 250 exhibits and recorded more than 6,000 pages of testimony.[17]
In the decision, the grand jury noted many problems with Brawley's story. Among these were that the rape kit results did not indicate sexual assault. Additionally, despite her claim of having been held captive for days, Brawley was not suffering from exposure, was well-nourished, and appeared to have brushed her teeth recently. Despite her clothing being charred, there were no burns on her body. Although a shoe she was wearing was cut through, Brawley had no injuries to her foot. The racial epithets written on her were upside down, which led to suspicion that Brawley had written the words. Testimony from her schoolmates indicated she had attended a local party during the time of her supposed abduction. One witness claimed to have observed Brawley's climbing into the garbage bag.[18] Brawley never testified.[19]"
There will always be people like Harr who try, in vain, to draw attention to themselves through various means...including the claim of false expertise, insider wisdom, messages from god, and other silliness. Harr's attempts to create a national conspiracy, led by Rae Evans, is one such example of a sad little man, jumping up and down in the corner, saying, "look at me, look at me, look at ME...."
SIDNEY HARR:
Regarding prophecy, were you not prophesying that your J4N committee would force the North Carolina State Bar to unilaterally restore DA NIFONG's law license. Has that happened?
SIDNEY HARR:
"Had Dr. Harr been invited to the soiree to look after Mangum’s interests, you can bet that Dr. Roberts would have been a no-show."
HAH!!!
SIDNEY HARR:
"In my blog of December 8, 2012, I made the following insightful)HAH!!!) and prophetic(HAH HAH!!!!!! statements:
'A written report by Roberts for a ten hour investigation not completed after more than five months? It doesn’t make sense. What does make since is her desire not to produce a written report about Reginald Daye’s death or the autopsy report by North Carolina Deputy Chief Medical Examiner Clay Nichols. Dr. Roberts is well aware that any report she drafts will directly implicate Duke University Hospital in Daye’s death, and it will support my contention, all along, that Medical Examiner Nichols’ autopsy report of April 14, 2011, contains false findings and an unsupported conclusion regarding Daye’s death. In addition, the report will sink the prosecution’s claim that Mangum’s stabbing of Daye (which was in self-defense) was the direct and proximate cause of his death.'"
You show how p---ed off that Dr. Roberts, like most serious physicians, does not take you seriously.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Dr. Christena L. Roberts finds herself entrapped in this legal morass of false statements and intrigue, without an easy means with which to extricate herself."
What morass. The only morass here is your attempts to defame Reginald Daye by concealing evidence about him. Dr. Roberts is not part of that morass.
You are angry with Dr. Roberts because she has shown she will not sink to your level of filth and moral decay.
SIDNEY HARR:
"At this meeting, Dr. Roberts and Attorney Vann spent three hours attempting to convince Crystal Mangum that the autopsy report by Dr. Clay Nichols was accurate and correct, and that the case against her was strong."
So why not let the case go to trial so you can testify under oath that the report by Dr. Nichols was inaccurate and the case against Crystal is weak.
However, that would mean you would have to establish yourself as an expert. Claiming anyone with a 5h grade education can see the report was false hardly establishes you as an expert - it establishes you as incompetent.
I believe you would never testify for Crystal because you are afraid to reveal how incompetent a physician you were. You always have a venue for proving me wrong, however.
SIDNEY HARR:
"For Dr. Roberts to defy Judge Hobgood’s order to provide a written report to Mangum is an outrage and affront to the principles of equal justice for all. Mangum is deserving of it so that she can prepare her defense."
So why don't you file another one of your pro se motions for a writ of mandamus. Or has the court ordered you, under pain of being found in contempt, to butt out and that is what p---es you off.
Why don't you publish a book detailing your accusations risk getting sued for libel? Where is your much vaunted(by you) (oxymoronic)nifongian courage?
Harr will never, under any circumstances, offer to testify in court. He would be subject to cross and he would have to establish his credentials/expertise. This...folks...would mean an interesting moment on the stand when sidney harr has to explain his so-called professional background, his training, perhaps the little incident involving criminal charges, etc. And, perhaps, it would also be interesting to hear Harr answer questions from the prosecutor such as: How many autopsies have you performed? What experience do you have in forensics, trauma surgery, pulmology? What residencies did you complete? What is your Board certification? Oh my, wouldn't that be fun......
Correction:
SIDNEY HARR:
"For Dr. Roberts to defy Judge Hobgood’s order to provide a written report to Mangum is an outrage and affront to the principles of equal justice for all. Mangum is deserving of it so that she can prepare her defense."
So why don't you file another one of your pro se motions for a writ of mandamus. Or has the court ordered you, under pain of being found in contempt, to butt out and that is what p---es you off.
Why don't you publish a book detailing your accusations and risk getting sued for libel? Where is your much vaunted(by you) (oxymoronic)nifongian courage?
The simple fact is that Harr has no "standing" in the case, at all.....and THAT, people, is what is driving this little man nuts. He just can't get anybody to salute.....aw shucks, give him a cookie....
SIDNEY HARR:
"Well, congratulations are in order for Mr. Vann who has successfully turned Dr. Roberts to the Dark Side"
I disagree.
Dr. Roberts had the integrity not to sink into the moral morass and decay you have created. Unlike you, for example, Dr. Roberts does not indulge in defaming a dead man by concealing evidence about how non violent he was.
Woody Vann had nothing to do with that.
SIDNEY HARR:
Show us what kind of courage you have rather than what kind of courage you lack. Testify on behalf of Crystal at trial and show your expertise(or lack thereof).
Yep, why not, sidney? Mangum can and should call you as an expertise witness....since you seem to be the only doctor who thinks the rest of the planet is conspiring against one lonely little lamb, with a knife in her purse.
The truly sad and, at times, comical part of this crazy Harr behavior is that (a)he has done nothing but cause harm to Mangum, (b)has never put one dime up for her bail or defense, (c)has never written a single piece about ANY related topic that does not include his own personal horn-blowing, Duke bashing, white people hating, conspiracy-crop-cirle nonsense. Poor Harr has fallen into the sorry manner of thinking that says "everybody who doesn't buy my bullshit is an evil conspirator". That's a sad state of affairs for a man who supposedly was, at one time, a medical doctor. Harr has not offered to raise money for a lawyer, has not made a contribution to a bail money fund, has not offered to support the children, etc..........yet he brags about his christian background and interjects jesus when he is cornered.
What Mangum needs now is:
1. Competent legal counsel
2. Complete and total rejection of any and all contact with Harr and the wingnuts.
Period.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Had she been cognizant of the pitfalls beforehand of being forced to tell the truth and incriminating the state’s deputy chief medical examiner, Dr. Roberts would never have undertaken the assignment."
Once SIDNEY mailed her his "enligntenment" about the Reginald Daye autopsy she knew what kind of report SIDNEY expected her to produce. It is to her credit that she took the assignment anyway and produced an honest report.
It is also an indication of how p---ed off SIDNEY is that no one takes him seriously.
Sid is, of course, apoplectic at these recent turn of events. The Roberts findings were, after all, going to "poke huge holes into the April 14, 2011 report’s findings and conclusion about the cause of Daye’s death."
It was supposed to "...confirm what Mangum supporters have long contended… that Reginald Daye’s death was not secondary to the stab wound."
Instead, her report is a vindication for Dr. Nichols and numerous others who have taken the time to look at Sid's views on the autopsy and have simply said "No, you are wrong".
What now, sidney? throw yourself on the floor, howl, hold your breath? throw a little hissy fit like Kenny? You are a transparent riot, pal. You are also too stupid to even understand that a written report is the LAST thing Mangum would want. Now, because you have run your mouth, the prosecution knows the kind of "spin" Mangum put on what she was told.......which is also very helpful to the prosecutor. too stupid for words, bro.
Your statements about Daye have NOT been statements of fact, sidney, and we all know it. you are a liar
SIDNEY HARR:
"Posters can draw any conclusions they wish. I am a strong proponent of freedom of thought and freedom of expression... no matter how warped or disconnected with reality."
That answer was in response to questioning about the criminal complaint against you and how it was settled(it seems it was not simply dismissed, as was the charge of assault on a female lodged against Reginald Daye).
The next question is, why are you so evasive about your medical career.
Crystal can not produce your hypothesis as to what happened without putting you on the stand. On the stand you will have to show you were medically competent to render those opinions. And instead you will be evasive. Then it will be Bye Bye Crystal.
Dear bigot Victoria. By the summer of 2013 DOMA will be found unconstitutional by the SC. I am going to send you an invite to my wedding. Sure hope you will come. Oh, and don't forget to give Sidney a big old hug for his latest screw up
Anonymous said...
Boy is SIDNEY HARR p---ed off because he will not be given access to confidential information to which he has no legal right.
What confidential information are you talking about? I do not profess to be a mind reader.
Lance The Intern said...
Sid is, of course, apoplectic at these recent turn of events. The Roberts findings were, after all, going to "poke huge holes into the April 14, 2011 report’s findings and conclusion about the cause of Daye’s death."
It was supposed to "...confirm what Mangum supporters have long contended… that Reginald Daye’s death was not secondary to the stab wound."
Instead, her report is a vindication for Dr. Nichols and numerous others who have taken the time to look at Sid's views on the autopsy and have simply said "No, you are wrong".
What a joke. The reason Dr. Roberts refuses to put anything in writing is because she doesn't want to make documentation of lies. You will not find any pathologist or any doctor in North Carolina to put anything about Daye's death or his autopsy in writing. The fact that she is going against Judge Hobgood's order shows how desperate she is about trying to conceal the damaging truth about Daye's death due to malpractice by Duke University Hospital and a fraudulent autopsy report by Dr. Nichols. As I said long ago, I would've been shocked had she given anything in writing to Mangum.
Anonymous said...
Dear bigot Victoria. By the summer of 2013 DOMA will be found unconstitutional by the SC. I am going to send you an invite to my wedding. Sure hope you will come. Oh, and don't forget to give Sidney a big old hug for his latest screw up
Again, I am no mind-reader. What so-called supposedly alleged "latest screw up" are you talking about? Further elucidation is required.
Lance The Intern said...
Sid is, of course, apoplectic at these recent turn of events. The Roberts findings were, after all, going to "poke huge holes into the April 14, 2011 report’s findings and conclusion about the cause of Daye’s death."
It was supposed to "...confirm what Mangum supporters have long contended… that Reginald Daye’s death was not secondary to the stab wound."
Instead, her report is a vindication for Dr. Nichols and numerous others who have taken the time to look at Sid's views on the autopsy and have simply said "No, you are wrong".
What report are you talking about that is allegedly vindication for Dr. Nichols? Dr. Roberts has not produced a report... and she will do everything in her power not to do so, as it will implicate Nichols report as being false, and Duke University Hospital for being reponsible for Daye's death. This is no surprise. And don't expect the prosecution to have Dr. Nichols' report reviewed either.
Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:
"Had she been cognizant of the pitfalls beforehand of being forced to tell the truth and incriminating the state’s deputy chief medical examiner, Dr. Roberts would never have undertaken the assignment."
Once SIDNEY mailed her his "enligntenment" about the Reginald Daye autopsy she knew what kind of report SIDNEY expected her to produce. It is to her credit that she took the assignment anyway and produced an honest report.
It is also an indication of how p---ed off SIDNEY is that no one takes him seriously.
Dr. Roberts did not produce a report. I repeat... Dr. Roberts did not produce a report. That's the problem!!!
Anonymous said...
Yep, why not, sidney? Mangum can and should call you as an expertise witness....since you seem to be the only doctor who thinks the rest of the planet is conspiring against one lonely little lamb, with a knife in her purse.
The only thing Crystal had in her purse were the two cashier's checks that Daye gave her to use to pay the rent.
During the hour of horror in the wee morning of Sunday, April 3, 2011, it was Daye who brought the steak knives into the master bedroom and started throwing them at her. And it was Daye who subsequently pulled the blades from the handles.
I am probably the only doctor in the state who will testify about the Nichols autopsy report because all of the others lack Nifongian courage.
"What report are you talking about that is allegedly vindication for Dr. Nichols? Dr. Roberts has not produced a report..."
A verbal report is a report. Especially one that "went over the April 14, 2011 Autopsy Examination Report prepared by Dr. Clay Nichols, the North Carolina Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, point by point...and stated that Dr. Nichols’ autopsy report was essentially accurate."
Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:
"Dr. Christena L. Roberts finds herself entrapped in this legal morass of false statements and intrigue, without an easy means with which to extricate herself."
What morass. The only morass here is your attempts to defame Reginald Daye by concealing evidence about him. Dr. Roberts is not part of that morass.
You are angry with Dr. Roberts because she has shown she will not sink to your level of filth and moral decay.
First, let me clarify something. I am not angry with Dr. Roberts. I am sympathetic with her position... she is between a boulder and a hard place. I can appreciate that she doesn't want to put lies about Nichols' report in writing, and yet she lacks Nifongian courage to write a truthful report. Keep in mind that Nifongian courage is a very rare attribute... few people have it. One person who does is Gregory Taylor.
Thereby, go ye enlightened.
"Nifonged" has entered the Urban Dictionary as "a verb that describes the railroading or harming of a person with no justifiable cause to do so, except for one's own gain"
It would follow that "Nifongian Courage" would simply be the courage to "nifong" someone -- that is, the courage to railroad a person, etc.
I doubt that even Gregory Taylor would admit to such....courage.
For God's sake, Sidney! Do you actually believe that everyone who comes to Durham is somehow sucked into this immense conspiracy? if you really believe in this conspiracy, why don't you go to a higher level of government? Do you feel that this question is somehow a mockery and does not therefore deserve an answer?
Poor benighted woman who actually believes in you and your stories!
I suggest you read the post on Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers by Poster "Quasimodo" @ 8:44 on the thread entitled "Mangum in Court Today" in response to Dr.Harr's present thread.
I suggest you read poster Chatham's response as well.
SIDNEY HARR:
"What confidential information are you talking about? I do not profess to be a mind reader."
You claim you knew what was in the mind of Jesus Christ on the cross when He said, Forgive them for they know not what they do.
SIDNEY HARR:
"
What a joke. The reason Dr. Roberts refuses to put anything in writing is because she doesn't want to make documentation of lies. You will not find any pathologist or any doctor in North Carolina to put anything about Daye's death or his autopsy in writing. The fact that she is going against Judge Hobgood's order shows how desperate she is about trying to conceal the damaging truth about Daye's death due to malpractice by Duke University Hospital and a fraudulent autopsy report by Dr. Nichols. As I said long ago, I would've been shocked had she given anything in writing to Mangum."
This whole post by SIDNEY is a joke, although a not very funny one.
SIDNEY HARR:
"
What report are you talking about that is allegedly vindication for Dr. Nichols? Dr. Roberts has not produced a report... and she will do everything in her power not to do so, as it will implicate Nichols report as being false, and Duke University Hospital for being reponsible for Daye's death. This is no surprise. And don't expect the prosecution to have Dr. Nichols' report reviewed either."
What report were you talking about that would confirm your allegation that Reginald Daye did not die of the stab wound Crystal inflicted on him.
SIDNEY HARR:
"
Dr. Roberts did not produce a report. I repeat... Dr. Roberts did not produce a report. That's the problem!!!"
She did produce an oral report which, according to you, did not support your allegation that Duke University killed Reginald Daye. That is what you are p---ed off about.
SIDNEY HARR:
"
The only thing Crystal had in her purse were the two cashier's checks that Daye gave her to use to pay the rent.
During the hour of horror in the wee morning of Sunday, April 3, 2011, it was Daye who brought the steak knives into the master bedroom and started throwing them at her. And it was Daye who subsequently pulled the blades from the handles.
I am probably the only doctor in the state who will testify about the Nichols autopsy report because all of the others lack Nifongian courage."
Nifongian courage is something which does not exist. How can anyone lack something which does not exist. How can you have something which does not exist.
My bet is that you will not testify out of fear that your lack of competence as a physician will be exposed.
KENHYDERAL:
"I suggest you read the post on Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers by Poster "Quasimodo" @ 8:44 on the thread entitled "Mangum in Court Today" in response to Dr.Harr's present thread."
OMIGOSH!!! KEN HISSYFIT actually read Liestoppers!
KENHYDERAL:
Why would Durham want to bend the legal rules in trying Crystal? Why indeed?
I remind you of your conniption over the failure to identify who left DNA on Crystal's person.
I again remind you, that it was DA NIFONG who organized the cover up.
What did he suspect? Maybe he suspected the results would identify higher ups in Durham. Maybe it is those same higher-ups who are orchestrating the bending of rules.
KENHYDERAL:
I also suggest you read Chatam's response to Quasimodo to get a complete idea of why Crystal is in a difficult position. She wanted to act as her own attorney. The person who orchestrated that was SIDNEY HARR.
Like SIDNEY and DA NIFONG, you seem to think concealment of evidence proves something.
SIDNEY HARR:
"
First, let me clarify something. I am not angry with Dr. Roberts. I am sympathetic with her position... she is between a boulder and a hard place. I can appreciate that she doesn't want to put lies about Nichols' report in writing, and yet she lacks Nifongian courage to write a truthful report. Keep in mind that Nifongian courage is a very rare attribute... few people have it. One person who does is Gregory Taylor."
You are p---ed off at Dr. Roberts for rejecting your unsupported allegations of a fraudulent, criminally altered autopsy report. That is what required courage.
No one has nifongian courage. Such an oxymoronic attribute does not exist - just like the carpetbagger jihad does not exist.
Something which does exist, much to your continued chagrin, is the exoneration of the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players.
KENHYDERAL:
Did you read Quasimodo's post of oday, 10:40 AM?
It is an account of Crystal's cab stealing escapade published in 2002, long before she became news for falsely accusing innocent men of raping her.
KENHYDERAL:
While you were on the Liestoppers site, did you happen to notice William Anderson's posts about Attorney Mark Simeon, posted on the Ken Burns disses the Lacrosse team thread at about 6:50 PM:
"Let us not forget that Mark Simeon, who was struggling as a lawyer, stood to gain a LOT of money by having the LAX case pursued. He was representing Crystal when she conveniently managed to finger her three 'attackers' from the highest-income zip codes of the Duke players."
Circumstantial evidence that Crystal was contemplating a lawsuit against the Lacrosse players and a contingency fee hungry attorney backed out after the Lacrosse players were exonerated.
You, as I have said once before, like SIDNEY and DA NIFONG, seem to believe that concealing evidence proves something.
"I am a strong proponent of freedom of thought and freedom of expression... no matter how warped or disconnected with reality."
I am so impressed that you, Mr. Harr-de-Har Har would describe your own postings so honestly, as I --among many-- have found them to be warped and disconnected from reality!!
Well done, Sir. Your honesty is appreciated!!
Sidney,
It appears you made no progress in confirming your conclusion that the autopsy is fraudulent. If you and Crystal believe Roberts and Nichols are conspiring with prosecutors, defense attorneys, Duke, Durham and the media to convict Crystal of bogus murder charges, you must act. Further blogs will be ineffective.
Consider the following:
1. Crystal must file a motion asking the Court to order Roberts to produce a written report. In doing so, you must understand that Roberts’ report may support the validity of the autopsy. She may be unwilling to change her conclusion because of the pressure she must feel. A written report must be provided to the prosecution. Unless you can discredit both this report and the autopsy, this will weaken Crystal’s case and increase the risk of a conviction.
2. Crystal must file a motion asking the Court to authorize a second expert to analyze the autopsy and the Roberts report. If others are unwilling to challenge the conspiracy, you must serve as the expert. The motion should allege explicitly that (1) Crystal is the victim of a vendetta prosecution, (2) both Nichols and Roberts committed criminal fraud and (3) medical personnel at Duke killed Daye either through negligence or medical murder. As demonstrated in your Duke appeal, arguments are most effective with personal attacks on one’s opponents. Crystal should request a hearing, indicating whom she intends to call as witnesses: you, Nichols, Roberts, DPD and EMT personnel and the physicians and nurses who treated Daye.
3. Circumvent the media to expose the vendetta. Sponsor Crystal Mangum Appreciation Week, modeled on the successful event Victoria Peterson organized to demonstrate support for Nifong. Although Crystal cannot attend, she can record taped messages to play to the crowds. Vincent Clark can sell copies of her book, with proceeds earmarked for her defense. You can offer autopsy workshops. Other J4N members can lead discussions on alcoholism and domestic abuse. This event will focus on the many contributions Crystal makes in the community. The media will be forced to provide unbiased coverage when they see the groundswell of Crystal’s support.
SIDNEY HARR:
The only thing nifongian you manifest is the attempt to defame Reginald Daye as an habitual violent abuser of women by concealing evidence he is not.
SIDNEY HARR:
"I am probably the only doctor in the state who will testify about the Nichols autopsy report because all of the others lack Nifongian courage."
You pay tribute to all the other doctors in the state by saying the have higher standards of ethics than corrupt DA NIFONG.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Dr. Roberts did not produce a report. I repeat... Dr. Roberts did not produce a report. That's the problem!!!"
You would have had a problem if Dr. Roberts did produce a written report because a written report. Any written report would have upheld the findings of Dr. Nichols report.
Considering the pressure you have put upon her to produce something different, that shows integrity.
Why don't you have Crystal petition the court to have you produce your own written report? Because, if you did, you would have to establish your capability to evaluate Dr. Nichols' report. You fear to reveal your medical background.
Now that fear is true nifongian courage.
Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:
"
Dr. Roberts did not produce a report. I repeat... Dr. Roberts did not produce a report. That's the problem!!!"
She did produce an oral report which, according to you, did not support your allegation that Duke University killed Reginald Daye. That is what you are p---ed off about.
Ha-ha-ha. That's pretty funny. An oral report. Why don't police just produce oral police reports? Why don't doctors just produce oral medical records?
Hint: This is not the Stone Age. Homo sapiens have developed written language and tools to write.
Dr. Roberts should utilize them.
Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:
The only thing nifongian you manifest is the attempt to defame Reginald Daye as an habitual violent abuser of women by concealing evidence he is not.
I'll bet you never even met Reginald Daye.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Ha-ha-ha. That's pretty funny. An oral report. Why don't police just produce oral police reports? Why don't doctors just produce oral medical records?
Hint: This is not the Stone Age. Homo sapiens have developed written language and tools to write.
Dr. Roberts should utilize them."
Since you were never board certified, I guess you never saw any significance in being able to express yourself orally.
However, you do not want an honest report, other or otherwise, from Dr. Roberts. What you want her to produce amounts to perjury.
Ha Ha Ha
SIDNEY HARR:
"I'll bet you never even met Reginald Daye."
Neither have you. So what has that to do with anything. It does not negate the fact that there is evidence which shows Reginald Daye was not a violent person, evidence which you, nifongian style, have tried to conceal.
Ha Ha Ha
Clarification:
SIDNEY HARR:
"Ha-ha-ha. That's pretty funny. An oral report. Why don't police just produce oral police reports? Why don't doctors just produce oral medical records?
Hint: This is not the Stone Age. Homo sapiens have developed written language and tools to write.
Dr. Roberts should utilize them."
Since you were never board certified, I guess you never saw any significance in being able to express yourself orally.
However, you do not want an honest report, ORAL or otherwise, from Dr. Roberts. What you want her to produce amounts to perjury.
Ha Ha Ha
Hey, Break.
I agree that Crystal should still continue to pursue getting a written report from Dr. Roberts. Judge Robert Hobgood ordered her to produce one and send it directly to Mangum which she and Woody Vann have been trying to get around with their meeting on Monday, December 10th.
I have no doubt that Dr. Roberts will not lie on a written report. However, asking the Court to appoint a doctor to review Dr. Nichols' autopsy report is interesting. There is no way that Crystal could get a physician to do that considering the politics involved... maybe the Court might.
As far as holding some sort of rally for Crystal, I will bring that to the attention of Victoria.
Thank you for your insightful comments.
Sid
SIDNEY HARR:
"Hint: This is not the Stone Age. Homo sapiens have developed written language and tools to write.
Dr. Roberts should utilize them."
Hint. You want Dr. Roberts to use modern writing tools to produce perjury. Very nifongian. Corrupt DA NIFONG tried unsuccesfully to intimidate Lacrosse players to give perjured testimony against those team members he wanted to prosecute.
DA NIFONG's attempt to suborn perjury was not funny. Your attempt to suborn perjury isn't either.
SIDNEY HARR(you may be trying to ignore me but I am not ignoring you):
"
I agree that Crystal should still continue to pursue getting a written report from Dr. Roberts. Judge Robert Hobgood ordered her to produce one and send it directly to Mangum which she and Woody Vann have been trying to get around with their meeting on Monday, December 10th.
I have no doubt that Dr. Roberts will not lie on a written report."
What you would consider a lie is any report which would not back up allegations you have made about Dr. Nichols' report, allegations which you have not shown are true.
"However, asking the Court to appoint a doctor to review Dr. Nichols' autopsy report is interesting. There is no way that Crystal could get a physician to do that considering the politics involved... maybe the Court might."
And when that physician produces a report which upholds Dr. Nichols' report you will accuse that physician of being coopted by the non existent carpetbagger jihad.
You are also showing your resentment of physicians who are more accomplished than you are.
That is why you do not really want to testify on Crystal's behalf. You do not want to reveal how accomplished you are not.
SIDNEY HARR:
If Dr. Roberts submitted a written report which upholds the findings of Dr. Nichols' report, how will you prove she was lying?
Will you rant and rave again that anyone with a 5th Grade reading level can see that Dr. Nichols' report is false. That is a statement of the lack of ability on the part of anyone with only a 5th Grade reading level. People with a level of accomplishment far above the level of a 5th grader call Dr. Nichols' report valid. You may be calling it invalid because your intellectual level is never got beyond that of a 5th Grader.
SIDNEY HARR:
In case you are wondering, I have not been coopted by the non existent carpetbagger jihad. Those you label carpetbagger jihadists have less of a clue as to my identity than you do.
I should not have said that. That presumes you can have a clue about anything.
SIDNEY HARR:
You are going to bring up the idea of a pro Crystal rally with Victoria Peterson(Victory Poo Poo according to your girl Honey Boo Boo - now isn't that precious).
Well, considering the attendance at your pathetic attempt at a press conference, it won't be much of a rally. Considering the support your J4N members do not express on your blog, probably most of your J4N people will not attend.
That is funny
HO HO HO(in keeping with the season)
Right now it seems SIDNEY HARR has abandoned the computer.
I am leaving now SIDNEY. We'll see if you have posted anything after I am gone. Your negative advocacy for Reginald Daye shows you do not like to fight unless your opponent can not fight back.
Now that I would call true nifongian courage.
HO HO HO
Sidney,
What I don't understand is this:
Mike Nifong, according to you, is the epitome of courage, a true minister of justice. He had his license revoked, but is eligible to reapply for this license. According to you, CGM is a tethered lamb, a beautiful young woman wrongly castigated for her part in the 2006 case which Nifong (according to Kenhyderal) fouled up. You generally seem to agree with all that Kenhyderal writes here.
Apart from this, the stated purpose of your J4N committee is to get Mike Nifong's license reinstated.
Under the circumstances, it seems to me you should at this point be encouraging Mike to apply for reinstatement, among other things, so that he can help to defend CGM. After all, it is clear -- also according to you -- that no other lawyer in or around Durham will defend her honestly. (None of them possess Nifongian courage.)
So, why aren't you doing this? Why aren't you clamoring at Mike's door for this help which you claim no other lawyer can or will give?
In other words, Sidney B. Harr, a retired physician and supporter of Mangum, was not invited.
Sid,
Did Crystal ask the Court for specific permission for you to attend? If not, why not? If she didn't ask for specific permission, why should the Court have automatically included you?
I thought she was responsible for her own defense. Tell her to speak up.
Yeah Sidney , by all means, call up the bigot peterson and the two of you can stand on the street corner and spew your racist homophobic pseudo Christian bull crap. Why don't you call up Fred phelps and Farrakhan while you are at it and have yourself a klan fest with all your racist anti semetic bigoted,half wits. You must be very proud to be known as a pal of Peterson.......the woman who describes gay people as disease ridden perverts. Nice Sidney. Really nice......your true character shows more and more these days.
Hey Sid,
Why weren't you interviewed last night on Wives with Knives? And who was the anonymous "Peggy?" Too bad Crystal had to wear her orange jumpsuit in the show.
Anonymous said...
Hey Sid,
Why weren't you interviewed last night on Wives with Knives? And who was the anonymous "Peggy?" Too bad Crystal had to wear her orange jumpsuit in the show.
It's just more evidence of the vendetta being exercised against Sid by the mainstream media and R.E. By the way, I thought the reenactments on the show were priceless. However, I was surprised that Crystal failed to mention her dear friend Kenny when she provided the account of her experiences in the Navy on the west coast.
Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR(you may be trying to ignore me but I am not ignoring you):
"
I agree that Crystal should still continue to pursue getting a written report from Dr. Roberts. Judge Robert Hobgood ordered her to produce one and send it directly to Mangum which she and Woody Vann have been trying to get around with their meeting on Monday, December 10th.
I have no doubt that Dr. Roberts will not lie on a written report."
What you would consider a lie is any report which would not back up allegations you have made about Dr. Nichols' report, allegations which you have not shown are true.
"However, asking the Court to appoint a doctor to review Dr. Nichols' autopsy report is interesting. There is no way that Crystal could get a physician to do that considering the politics involved... maybe the Court might."
And when that physician produces a report which upholds Dr. Nichols' report you will accuse that physician of being coopted by the non existent carpetbagger jihad.
You are also showing your resentment of physicians who are more accomplished than you are.
That is why you do not really want to testify on Crystal's behalf. You do not want to reveal how accomplished you are not.
Trying to goad me into not testifying on Crystal's behalf, huh? It's not going to work because I'm goad-proof.
Actually, testifying for Crystal is not what I'm shooting for... I want to represent her in Court!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Hey Sid,
Why weren't you interviewed last night on Wives with Knives? And who was the anonymous "Peggy?" Too bad Crystal had to wear her orange jumpsuit in the show.
It's just more evidence of the vendetta being exercised against Sid by the mainstream media and R.E. By the way, I thought the reenactments on the show were priceless. However, I was surprised that Crystal failed to mention her dear friend Kenny when she provided the account of her experiences in the Navy on the west coast.
I'm glad you watched the program. I don't have cable or satellite... too expensive and a rip-off, so I wasn't able to see it.
I did offer, early in production, to give an interview, but they didn't want no parts of that.
As far as Peggy, I'm not sure who that is referring to as I didn't see the show.
guiowen said...
Sidney,
What I don't understand is this:
Mike Nifong, according to you, is the epitome of courage, a true minister of justice. He had his license revoked, but is eligible to reapply for this license. According to you, CGM is a tethered lamb, a beautiful young woman wrongly castigated for her part in the 2006 case which Nifong (according to Kenhyderal) fouled up. You generally seem to agree with all that Kenhyderal writes here.
Apart from this, the stated purpose of your J4N committee is to get Mike Nifong's license reinstated.
Under the circumstances, it seems to me you should at this point be encouraging Mike to apply for reinstatement, among other things, so that he can help to defend CGM. After all, it is clear -- also according to you -- that no other lawyer in or around Durham will defend her honestly. (None of them possess Nifongian courage.)
So, why aren't you doing this? Why aren't you clamoring at Mike's door for this help which you claim no other lawyer can or will give?
gui, mon ami, you want Mike Nifong to try and have his license reinstated just so the State Bar can have the satisfaction of turning him down. Hah! He's too smart for that... it'll never happen.
Anonymous said...
In other words, Sidney B. Harr, a retired physician and supporter of Mangum, was not invited.
Sid,
Did Crystal ask the Court for specific permission for you to attend? If not, why not? If she didn't ask for specific permission, why should the Court have automatically included you?
I thought she was responsible for her own defense. Tell her to speak up.
Fact is that Crystal did speak up. She asked to be invited to the clandestine meeting that Woody Vann arranged with Dr. Roberts behind her back!
HEY! LISTEN UP EVERYBODY!
An Important Observation!
Amongst the naysayers, nonbelievers, ill-willers, detractors, and others of your ilk, I consider Walt-in-Durham to be the voice of reason.
Notice how he has not commented recently? My theory is that he is finally becoming enlightened by the facts and evidence that is being dumped onto this site in prodigious amounts. I believe that he is beginning to see the light and turning towards the Enlightenment.
You others should follow his lead and finally embrace the truth.
I've noticed that since the Discovery Channel documentary on Crystal Mangum aired yesterday there has been a paucity of comments about it... Could it be that she sounded too credible, intelligent, and innocent?
Surely the nonbelieving,naysayer ilk has been disappointed by the positive documentary. (And I haven't even seen it.)
You know that if Mangum would've bombed on the show, there would've been thousands of comment on this blog site by now.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Actually, testifying for Crystal is not what I'm shooting for... I want to represent her in Court!"
If you represent her as well as you represented yourself in your frivolous lawsuit against Duke, you would be as effective as a lawyer who went into court and told the Jury, My client is guilty on all counts.
Sidney said,
gui, mon ami, you want Mike Nifong to try and have his license reinstated just so the State Bar can have the satisfaction of turning him down. Hah! He's too smart for that... it'll never happen.
So where's his vaunted Nifongian courage? According to you and your acolyte, he was willing to risk disbarment, loss of his job, and even jail, in the past, but now he won't even risk a momentary embarrassment?
How shameful!
SIDNEY HARR:
Regarding Wives with Knives:
"I did offer, early in production, to give an interview, but they didn't want no parts of that."
I think you meant to say that they didn't want any part of that.
Investigation Discovery showed some wisdom.
Did you know you are also Wisdom proof.
SIDNEY HARR:
"gui, mon ami, you want Mike Nifong to try and have his license reinstated just so the State Bar can have the satisfaction of turning him down. Hah! He's too smart for that... it'll never happen."
Which means the J4N gang has failed miserably and utterly in making good on its promise that it would force the NC Bar to reinstate DA NIFONG's license.
SIDNEY, you do not take defeat graciously. But then you seem incapable of taking anything graciously.
SIDNEY HARR:
"HEY! LISTEN UP EVERYBODY!
An Important Observation!"
Which means SIDNEY is going to express another of his delusions.
"Amongst the naysayers, nonbelievers, ill-willers, detractors, and others of your ilk, I consider Walt-in-Durham to be the voice of reason.
Notice how he has not commented recently? My theory is that he is finally becoming enlightened by the facts and evidence that is being dumped onto this site in prodigious amounts. I believe that he is beginning to see the light and turning towards the Enlightenment."
You would not be saying that if you had read Walt's most recent statements on Liestoppersd, the thread "expert testimony"
"You others should follow his lead and finally embrace the truth."
You mean we should follow your lead and join the father of lies in promulgating lies as the truth.
Well done SIDNEY-mimion-of-the-father-of-lies-HARR.
SIDNEY HARR:
"Fact is that Crystal did speak up. She asked to be invited to the clandestine meeting that Woody Vann arranged with Dr. Roberts behind her back!"
The point is, Crystal did not ask that you be present.
SIDNEY HARR:
"I've noticed that since the Discovery Channel documentary on Crystal Mangum aired yesterday there has been a paucity of comments about it... Could it be that she sounded too credible, intelligent, and innocent?
Surely the nonbelieving,naysayer ilk has been disappointed by the positive documentary. (And I haven't even seen it.)
You know that if Mangum would've bombed on the show, there would've been thousands of comment on this blog site by now."
The most liely explanation why most people did not watch it is they are tired of Crystal's lies.
Have you checked the ratings for the episode?
The reason there are no comments on the trash show is that it is a silly show ........and oh, it is trash.........and, oh, who gives a rats behind about Mangum on TV!
Nifong Supporter said: "As far as Peggy, I'm not sure who that is referring to as I didn't see the show"...... I have not seen the show either as Investigation Discovery is not available to me. Peggy is probably Peggy Kirkpatrick Crystal's good friend whom she stayed with in 2010 when released on bail.
Hey, Kenhyderal,
I see you're back.
I've been waiting for about two weeks to see whether you'd complain about Sidney's attempts at mocking KC Johnson. Why haven't you done so? I can think of several explanations:
(a) You never bother to read Sidney's posts, and so you weren't aware of this;
(b) Since nobody reads this blog, it doesn't bother KC Johnson one way or the other;
(c) Since Sidney's so wonderful and KC so nasty, Sidney can do whatever he wants, and KC deserves whatever he gets;
(d) You're just a self-serving hypocrite.
In any case, since you like to quote famous people, let me give you a quotation from some obscure observer of human affairs:
"Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander."
I watched the show. Crystal is as cheap, immoral and sorry on camera as she is off. What a waste of time. To those of have not seen it, don't bother.
Yeah Sidney, we all know you want to play lawyer. Just liked you played doctor.......
I saw the show and I have to say that, even without a knife in her hand, Crystal is one scary looking ho.
Guiowen said: "Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." ........ ???? Apropos to this case, who is the goose and who is is the gander?
@ Anonymous @ 6:08 "Judge McKeon also announced in court that Ms. Diallo and The New York Post had settled a lawsuit she filed against the newspaper for having reported that she worked as a prostitute
kenhyderal said...
'Guiowen said: "Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander." ........ ???? Apropos to this case, who is the goose and who is is the gander?'
Apropos of this case, I would guess Sidney's the goose and I'm the gander.
KENHYDERAL:
"Judge McKeon also announced in court that Ms. Diallo and The New York Post had settled a lawsuit she filed against the newspaper for having reported that she worked as a prostitute".
Why has Crystal not sued the innocent Lacrosse players, or sued those who say she was a prostitute?
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Guiowen said: "Apropos of this case, I would guess Sidney's the goose and I'm the gander"....... I thought this aphorism was about the "war of the sexes"
Ken,
I notice that you take the time to respond to Guiowen's post. Interestingly you limit your response to the non-substantive part of his post and you fail completely to address the substance of his post.
Do you have an explanation for your failure?
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Sid,
I notice that you took the time to respond to my 12/14 2:19pm post, but you failed to answer any of the questions. I repeat them for your convenience.
Did Crystal ask the Court for specific permission for you to attend?
If not, why not?
If she didn't ask for specific permission, why should the Court have automatically included you?
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Sid,
Any update on the Bar's communication with you and your brilliant response?
KENHYDERAL:
:Guiowen said: "'Apropos of this case, I would guess Sidney's the goose and I'm the gander"....... I thought this aphorism was about the "war of the sexes'"
KENHYDERAL also thought the description of Crystal's(nearly literal) run in with the law in 2002 was manufactured by the non existent vendetta-ists. There were published newspaper descriptions of the incident before Crystal ever became news for falsely accusing innocent men of rape.
Anonymous said...
Sid,
Any update on the Bar's communication with you and your brilliant response?
As a matter of fact, I just concluded my response, and the court documents should be posted here within 48 hours.
Anonymous said...
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Sid,
I notice that you took the time to respond to my 12/14 2:19pm post, but you failed to answer any of the questions. I repeat them for your convenience.
Did Crystal ask the Court for specific permission for you to attend?
If not, why not?
If she didn't ask for specific permission, why should the Court have automatically included you?
I think that news of the clandestine meeting startled Crystal to the point that she merely tried to be present at the meeting... and before she could request my presence, the Judge announced restrictions to those able to attend.
That's what I believe most likely happened.
Let me know if further elucidation is required.
Yes. More elucidation is required. You did not answer the last question.
Why should the Court have thought to include you without a request from Crystal. I was not aware that you had an official role in Crystal's defense.
Sid,
I have a request for further elucidation:
Why do you force posters to ask questions several times before you answer? Why do your responses ignore questions directed to you?
SIDNEY HARR:
"As a matter of fact, I just concluded my response, and the court documents should be posted here within 48 hours."
Oh Great! Another compendium of, the carpetbaggers are after me because I support Crystal and DA NIFONG>
SIDNEY HARR:
"I think that news of the clandestine meeting startled Crystal to the point that she merely tried to be present at the meeting... and before she could request my presence,"
You have never shown you have the ability to think.
"the Judge announced restrictions to those able to attend."
You were probably excluded because of your demonstrated propensity for illegally publishing confidential information on your blog, mainly so you can distort it.
"That's what I believe most likely happened."
You also believe, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that Crystal was raped. Enough said.
"Let me know if further elucidation is required."
Could you elucidate on the evidence that the carpetbagger jihad exists.
KENHYDERAL:
Check this out:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/13/world/americas/canada-killer-released/index.html?hpt=hp_bn2
A fine example of Canadian Justice? Is this the basis for your belief why a Canadian court would give Crystal a pass on Arson?
Anonymous said...
"Ken,
I notice that you take the time to respond to Guiowen's post. Interestingly you limit your response to the non-substantive part of his post and you fail completely to address the substance of his post.
Do you have an explanation for your failure?"
Don't worry, I'm sure he'll address this some time soon. To judge from past experience, his reply will run along the line of:
(a) "I don't answer loaded questions"
(b) "I don't answer questions from bitter, cruel sadists"
(c) "A sarcastic man is a wounded man"
(d) "What, me worry?"
December 16, 2012 10:39 AM
Kenhyderal,
I apologize for my 8:50 a.m. post. Somehow the previous poster's refrain of "Kenny, Kenny, etc." got stuck onto my post.
So this refrain should not have been there, and I apologize.
I stand by the rest of my post.
Here's what my 8:50 post should have been:
Blogger kenhyderal said...
'Guiowen said: "Apropos of this case, I would guess Sidney's the goose and I'm the gander"....... I thought this aphorism was about the "war of the sexes"'
No, Kenny. Look it up in Wikipedia, or the Free Dictionary.
Here's an alternative saying for you: "The pot is calling the kettle black."
[Hint: this has nothing to do with race.]
December 16, 2012 8:50 AM
Anonymous @ 10:39 said" I notice that you take the time to respond to Guiowen's post. Interestingly you limit your response to the non-substantive part of his post and you fail completely to address the substance of his post"....... Substantive?? Well, I have no complaints whatsoever with Dr. Harr's criticism of Prof. K.C. Johnson.
Blogger kenhyderal said...
"Anonymous @ 10:39 said" I notice that you take the time to respond to Guiowen's post. Interestingly you limit your response to the non-substantive part of his post and you fail completely to address the substance of his post"....... Substantive?? Well, I have no complaints whatsoever with Dr. Harr's criticism of Prof. K.C. Johnson."
Well, Kenny, I guess that just tells us what you are, doesn't it?
Here's another nice quotation for you:
"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."
KENHYDERAL:
"Well, I have no complaints whatsoever with Dr. Harr's criticism of Prof. K.C. Johnson."
What about SIDNEY's sycophantic efforts to get Professor Johnson to notice him? SIDNEY is resentful because people(even you) notice Professor Johnson and mo one, except his critics, notice SIDNEY.
"I've noticed that since the Discovery Channel documentary on Crystal Mangum aired yesterday there has been a paucity of comments about it... Could it be that she sounded too credible, intelligent, and innocent?"
More likely is that, like you, no one who posts here bothered to watch it.
"I want to represent her in Court!
Of course you do -- you've done such an excellent job representing yourself in court.
We all know that Harr HATES being ignored. That, folks, is what has him so pissed off...i,e., he is not the star in the school play. He fires off endless letters, full of ponitificating bull, and nobody alerts the media to his sheer genius. He is a pathetic little man, trying his best to get attention. What next, sidney? kenny-style hissy fit in front of the court house?
The show on the discovery channel was hilarious. so bad, it was good.....kinda like a grade D sci fi flick.
Hooray for Roberts and Vann.....
BUT, if Mangum wants a written report, Roberts should give her one. The prosecution will be happy to have it.
hey sidney, check the ratings. the crystal show bombed big time. three people watched it....crystal, from the jail rec room, you, and victoria! and don't tell us you didn't see it.....we all know you want crystal to be a big TV star. My favorite part was when she giggled about describing Mr. Walker's body. real classy lady, Mangum. Oh, and I am sure Kenny boy will get himself a black market copy so he can stay up late nights and watch it over and over.
wow, who knew sister could, uh, act????
Sidney,
Isn't this great? Now you are getting, not just citations from Nazi-lover Cioran and from the bible, but also wise old sayings. This really will increase the standing of your blog.
No, you don't have to thank me: I'm happy to do this for you.
Even Jesse Jackson correct Sidney about the "man from naz" references. Here's one of Jesse's more INfamous quotes: ..."Great things happen in small places. Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Jesse was born in Greenville". See, jesse speaks in the third person, too, sidney! wow, you must have been really good at copying and coloring within the lines in school.
golly gee whiz, sidney, Professor Johnson is such a slacker, isn't he? and his work just does not compare to yours, does it? Whew.....consider his latest piece about Burns..... as compared to yours about Roberts and the snub of you. Golly, yours has so much substance and his, why it's just full of personal references, whines, rants and self promotion. goodness gracious, sidney.....someday you might win a Harvard award, too......but, I guess that wouldn't mean much to you.....since you've already condemned Harvard as being in the jihad-controlled pocket.
Guiowen @ 10:55 PM 12-16-12 said: "Well, Kenny, I guess that just tells us what you are, doesn't it"......... From my point of view K.C. Johnson seems a vindictive man consumed with jealousy and hate for Duke President Richard Brodhead.
Uh, no, kenny....dear......KC Johnson is interested in the truth and fairness....if you wish, you could read his many MANY pieces about campus injustice toward students of all races. He has never been focused solely on Duke. Many of us who live here, know duke well, work for duke or not.....know WELL what went down in 2006 and 2007.....and, in particular, what Brodhead did and said. He was a media whore and a suckup to the wingnut faculty.....and he sold the LAX guys and their coach down the river, kenny. If you had bothered to learn the facts about what happened, you would know this. But, being content to wallow in ignorance is bliss, isn't it, kenny....
Guiowen said: "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."...........Someone as judgemental as you, I suppose, must live in a house made of plexi-glass.
Kenhyderal said...
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Guiowen @ 10:55 PM 12-16-12 said: "Well, Kenny, I guess that just tells us what you are, doesn't it"......... From my point of view K.C. Johnson seems a vindictive man consumed with jealousy and hate for Duke President Richard Brodhead."
Of course, Kenny Kenhypocrite. Anyone who doesn't agree with everything you say is ipso facto evil.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!
kenhyderal said...
"Guiowen said: "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."...........Someone as judgemental as you, I suppose, must live in a house made of plexi-glass."
Don't worry, Kenny, I'm not judging you. I'm merely making a statement of fact.
It takes all kinds to make a world, and this includes hypocrites like you.
KENHYDERAL:
"Well, I have no complaints whatsoever with Dr. Harr's criticism of Prof. K.C. Johnson. "
That is not the only bit of SIDNEY's evil of which you approve.
KENHYDERAL:
"From my point of view K.C. Johnson seems a vindictive man consumed with jealousy and hate for Duke President Richard Brodhead."
From your point of view, in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Crystal was raped and was victimized by a vendetta.
KENHYDERAL:
"Someone as judgemental as you, I suppose, must live in a house made of plexi-glass."
It is obvious that you do not consider yourself judgmental.
You are a big scorched pot sitting in the kitchen shouting, Hey Kettle, you are black.
KENHYDERAL(again):
Without resorting to red herrings and irrelevant speculation, provide proof that Crystal was raped.
Interesting admissions by mangum in the "show".......she says she kept being an "escort" and didn't quit because of the money it paid. folks, being a stripper pays crap.....unless you are really drop dead gorgeous and you dance in high priced, exclusive membership clubs where customers have the bucks to drop major tips on you. Mangum is not drop dead good looking and she has never worked a day in a high end club. Being an "escort" means, now listen closely, selling it for money. shock! horrors! Why not quit mincing words and call it like it is......she's been selling it for years. The fact that she has never been charged with prostitution simply means she has never been charged. So what. Mangum has been using men, for money, for years. And men have been using her, for sex, for years. What else is new?
Bad choices, bad decisions, bad behavior and now, potentially, a very bad ending.
Guiowen said: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"......... It isn't the heat that will drive me away from here it's the stench of racism.
alhtKenhyderal said...
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Guiowen said: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!"......... It isn't the heat that will drive me away from here it's the stench of racism."
Oh, don't tell me I've hurt your feelings to the point that you have to play the race card. You poor little boy, so pure and so misunderstood!
Anonymous @ 12:39 said: "You are a big scorched pot sitting in the kitchen shouting, Hey Kettle, you are black".......... http://eu.fotolia.com/id/36585174
Anonymous said...
" Being an "escort" means, now listen closely, selling it for money. shock! horrors! Why not quit mincing words and call it like it is......she's been selling it for years. The fact that she has never been charged with prostitution simply means she has never been charged. So what. Mangum has been using men, for money, for years. And men have been using her, for sex, for years. What else is new?
Bad choices, bad decisions, bad behavior and now, potentially, a very bad ending."
Actually, I don't see what the big deal is, whether or not CGM is a prostitute. There are all sorts of lonely men out there, and prostitutes fill a need. What really bothers me is a woman who, whenever she's had a drink (or a smoke) too many, starts yelling "I'm gonna kill you, M-----F----r!"
That type of person does not fill a need.
Guiowen said: "Oh, don't tell me I've hurt your feelings to the point that you have to play the race card"............ Let me refer you to the disgusting anonymous post of December 5, 2012 5:17 PM.
Guiowen said: "Being an "escort" means, now listen closely, selling it for money"......... To paraphrase President Clinton it depends on what the meaning of "it" is.
Actually, Kenny, I didn't say that; I merely quoted someone else who said it.
As to the meaning of "it", maybe you can tell us what it is that Crystal was selling. Why would her gentleman friends give her $200 or $300?
Blogger kenhyderal said...
" Let me refer you to the disgusting anonymous post of December 5, 2012 5:17 PM."
I disagree with that post. Some years ago, Crystal was actually attractive. The trouble is, all that drink and all those drugs have really wasted her. She's not at all attractive any more. Still, I gather there are men who pay for her favors.
KENHYDERAL:
"Guiowen said: "Being an "escort" means, now listen closely, selling it for money"......... To paraphrase President Clinton it depends on what the meaning of "it" is."
Even if you do not want to admit to "it", you do know what "it" means.
I agree with Guiowen. Who care if Mangum is a prostitute. So what, as the poster says. What does matter is that she killed a man. I want justice to be done....and it is NOT up to Harr or any of us to decide what that justice is.
SIDNEY HARR:
If you think Walt in Durham is succumbing to your lies, read his latest post on the appropriately named Liestoppers.
Dear sidney.....ever heard the phrase "when hell freezes over"? that 's about when Walt and others of his experience and background will likely buy into your bullcrap. Once again, folks, it is so very plain that what really pisses off old sidney is to be ignored. when he is not the center of attention, sidney pouts. Comical, to say the least.
Interesting to note that posters on Liestoppers AGREE that NC justice system is a mess....and that lengthy delay in bringing Mangum to trial is shameful. The focus of all of sidney's efforts ought to be on: helping to raise money for mangum to hire a lawyer (representing herself is NOT a good idea), helping to raise money for her bail, and urging public awareness of the need for a speedy trial law in NC. The last thing harr should be doing in mucking about in the case and its defense. BUT, we all know what drives harr and it is not working behind the scenes to raise money. He wants to be in the spotlight...otherwise he does not want to play. Silly immature and very detrimental to mangum.
Walt's recent comment about destruction of reputations, including Sam Wells, is particularly meangingful to me. I was present during a famous "sermon"..I will label it "political agenda speech" made by Wells. It was a disgrace. He might as well have called down the wrath of God himself to smite the LAX guys.....I got up toward the end, and walked out...as did others who were stunned at the garbage they were hearing. As shameful a display of Rush To Conviction as I have ever seen.
Never an apology.....never an ounce of character. Good riddance.
SIDNEY HARR:
Your last post about Walt in Durham was, translated, Hey Walt, pay attention to me.
Mangum wants the judge to let her out of jail, freely, for "periods of time" to "work on her case". I have been looking for an example, in another case where the accused elected to represent themselves....and where a judge let the accused out of jail under similar terms. In particular, in a murder case. Have not found a single case.
Anybody else?
Mangum made the choice to be her own lawyer. Now she should be made to abide by the same rules of restraint and confinement as others being held, awaiting trial for murder.
Anononymous @ 6:44 said: "The focus of all of sidney's efforts ought to be on: helping to raise money for mangum to hire a lawyer (representing herself is NOT a good idea), helping to raise money for her bail, and urging public awareness of the need for a speedy trial law in NC"....... Money has been raised to bail Crystal out but Bail Bond Companies,there, are unwilling to post the $200,000.00 for their usual 10% fee. The Duke LaX Defense Team and their proxy Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers has been so successful in discrediting Crystal that none, there, are willing to post the required bond. This means Crystal must raise the entire $200,000.00 in cash or else have a benefactor put forth an attachable asset, worth that amount, that is situated within the State. Needless to say, this is almost impossible for Crystal and her supporters. Having her day in Court, then, seems to be her best ticket to freedom. The State's case for first degree murder is extremely weak; a typical case of over-charging. Using delay and separation from her children to force her into a plea bargain, a seemingly common practice, in that obviously flawed justice system, appears to be the strategy that's in place. Dr. Harr is convinced that when the prosecution is faced with Crystal's reluctance to accept a plea of guilty, to a reduced charge, in exchange for time served because of how that may impact on regaining custody of her children, they will, then, have no option but to fold. Even if he is wrong on this, I'm convinced a Jury of her Peers will acquit her.
"I'm convinced a Jury of her Peers will acquit her."
I'm convinced a jury will find her guilty of a lesser charge.
KENHYDERAL:
"Money has been raised to bail Crystal out but Bail Bond Companies,there, are unwilling to post the $200,000.00 for their usual 10% fee. The Duke LaX Defense Team and their proxy Duke LaCrosse Liestoppers has been so successful in discrediting Crystal that none, there, are willing to post the required bond."
The person who has discredited Crystal is Crystal, via her falsely accusing innocent men or raping her. Provide evidence she was raped.
"This means Crystal must raise the entire $200,000.00 in cash or else have a benefactor put forth an attachable asset, worth that amount, that is situated within the State. Needless to say, this is almost impossible for Crystal and her supporters."
Maybe so, but it means a violent criminal will not be on the street able to commit crimes, ala Michael Jermaine Burch, while out on bail.
"Having her day in Court, then, seems to be her best ticket to freedom. The State's case for first degree murder is extremely weak;"
Judging from the evidence SIDNEY has posted the state's case is not weak.
"a typical case of over-charging."
What you probably consider overcharging was the charging this Canadian Doctor with murdering his children. After all, he served a ridiculously short sentence then was released. That must mean, according to you, that he must have been overcharged.
"Dr. Harr is convinced that when the prosecution is faced with Crystal's reluctance to accept a plea of guilty, to a reduced charge, in exchange for time served because of how that may impact on regaining custody of her children, they will, then, have no option but to fold. Even if he is wrong on this, I'm convinced a Jury of her Peers will acquit her."
SIDNEY has declared on repeated occasions that his J4N committee would force the NC state Bar to restore DA NIFONG's license. Now he is making excuses for why he has failed to do so.
SIDNEY was also declaring his frivolous lawsuit against Duke had merit, even after he had been ignominiously kicked out of court.
Your faith in SIDNEY shows how intellectually incapable you are.
Now provide proof that Crystal was raped.
Sidney Harr is not the judge and jury, Kenny. His predictions are worthless trash. How much money has sidney harr contributed to pay for a lawyer? how much has sidney harr contributed to bail mangum out? How much money has sidney harr contributed toward pushing for a speech trial law in NC? How much, Kenny?
Mangum is going to either plea or face a trial and get herself convicted on a lesser charge. You, pal, can come see her in prison.....in part, because she killed a man, and, in part, because sidney harr pushed her into firing several competent lawyers. You, mangum, and sidney harr and the worst kind of fools....there is none so blind as he/she who WILL not see.
Anonymous 11:21:
"How much money has sidney harr contributed toward pushing for a speech trial law in NC?"
Did you mean a speedy trial law?
oh, well, heck, guiowen........ya got me. butterthumbs strikes again. yep, speeeeeeedy trial! although for some of us here in the great state of NC, a speech trial might not be such a bad idea.
Best...
"I know you are anxious, but you'll have to hold on to your horses for a couple of days. I am working on my brilliant response, and as soon as I have completed it, I will post it along with the Complaint made by the State Bar."
Come on, Sid - You posted this 6 days ago! Surely someone as, er, knowledgeable as yourself could complete a response to the State Bar in that time.
Anonymous @ 11:31 said: "How much money has sidney harr contributed to pay for a lawyer? how much has sidney harr contributed to bail mangum out? How much money has sidney harr contributed toward pushing for a speech trial law in NC"............ Dr. Harr has done more for Crystal then any of her Court appointed Lawyers. He has given much of his time and energy in an effort to get justice for her. Lawyers, especially those Court apppointed for indigent clients, don't like to lose cases and know, that you can not, with 100% certainty, predict how a Jury will decide and so they always prefer to opt for a plea deal where they have no risk to their reputation. This is not in the best interest of justice and is rarely in the best interest of an innocent client like Crystal.
Kenny,
So why doesn't Sidney contribute money towards hiring a lawyer?
Why doesn't he try to get that epitome of courage and justice, the great Nifong, to help her?
Anononymous @11:31 said: "there is none so blind as he/she who WILL not see"........ A truism, indeed, taught to us by The Lord, Himself, but, in the search for justice, there are always those, whose vision is so constrained by preconceived notions, seeded by self-serving propagandists, that what they think they see is illusory and leads them into accepting an incorrect and prejudicial view of reality
Truer words were never spoken, Kenny. You are indeed blind.....
KENHYDERAL:
"nonymous @ 11:31 said: "How much money has sidney harr contributed to pay for a lawyer? how much has sidney harr contributed to bail mangum out? How much money has sidney harr contributed toward pushing for a speech trial law in NC"............ Dr. Harr has done more for Crystal then any of her Court appointed Lawyers. He has given much of his time and energy in an effort to get justice for her."
BULLSHIT!!! He cares only about promulgating lies and concealing evidence not favorable to his cause.
"Lawyers, especially those Court apppointed for indigent clients, don't like to lose cases and know, that you can not, with 100% certainty, predict how a Jury will decide and so they always prefer to opt for a plea deal where they have no risk to their reputation. This is not in the best interest of justice and is rarely in the best interest of an innocent client like Crystal."
Was it in the best interest of justice that Crystal falsely accused innocent men of raping her?
That SIDNEY is trying to defame Reginald Daye by concealing evidence that he was not a violent man, that would suggest that Crystal was not innocent and that SIDNEY wants to get her off.
KENHYDERAL:
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Anononymous @11:31 said: "there is none so blind as he/she who WILL not see"........ A truism, indeed, taught to us by The Lord, Himself, but, in the search for justice, there are always those, whose vision is so constrained by preconceived notions, seeded by self-serving propagandists, that what they think they see is illusory and leads them into accepting an incorrect and prejudicial view of reality".
You have described yourself perfectly.
None so blind as KENHYDERAL, save maybe SIDNEY.
"there are always those, whose vision is so constrained by preconceived notions, seeded by self-serving propagandists, that what they think they see is illusory and leads them into accepting an incorrect and prejudicial view of reality"
Isn't it ironic, don't you think?
And who are the propagandists I have fell prey to? The group of 88? Dr. Harr? (Keep in mind I introduced Crystal to Dr. Harr) No, I have the benefit of knowing Crystal, personally, and I know she is not a person guilty of any moral turpitude.
KENHYDERAL:
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And who are the propagandists I have fell prey to? The group of 88? Dr. Harr? (Keep in mind I introduced Crystal to Dr. Harr) No"
Yes. You left out Kilgo.
"...I have the benefit of knowing Crystal, personally, and I know she is not a person guilty of any moral turpitude."
Which statement is prima facie evidence you have succumbed to propaganda.
KENHYDERAL:
Provide proof that Crystal was raped.
What do you think of her having a child by one man while married to another?
What do you think of her going out, shortly after she alleged the phoney rape and got pregnant by another man?
Anonymous 4:43:
Don't worry. Don't you see Kenny doesn't believe in bourgeois morality?
Crystal was separated from Ken McNeil when she became pregnant. Her marriage with him lasted only a year and a half.
KENHYDERAL:
"Crystal was separated from Ken McNeil when she became pregnant. Her marriage with him lasted only a year and a half."
Why? Was she seeing other men while married?
In any event you are saying Crystal, because she is Crystal, gets a pass for improper behavior.
Oh pleasellllll,....Mangum has turned so many tricks, she ought to be headlining with Penn and Teller. Give me a break. Not guilty of moral turpitude? That one wins the "Are you kidding?" award for the week. The woman has been, as another poster puts it, selling it for years. Using a vibrator on herself in front of a john.....in a motel room.....having been driven there by her paid driver....... poor kenny, he knows mangum does it for money and he tries to pretend otherwise. Here is the point, Kenny.......the fact that Mangum sells it is of no concern to most of us.....who cares. She sells sex and somebody buys. It is against the law but I am one of those people who thinks that the johns ought to be in jail, too, if we are gonna arrest prostitutes......, then, we ought to put the buyers in the can as well. No, it isn't that she sells it........it's that you deny the truth, which is laughable.
Let's see....Ken, Ramseur, Walker, Daye.......Oh, yeah, and Matt.......that's just the public names we know about......
Convictions for child abuse, DUI, reckless driving, resisting arrest, giving a false ID, violence toward property, larceny......I think I may have missed one....
Sex in motels with paying clients
Wrapping herself around a pole in a sleezy bar less than a week after she claimed she was raped. (There are photos to prove it, kenny)
hreatening to stab a man in front of an officer
Yelling "Im going to dxxx yuou up" to Daye
Setting clothes on fire IN FRONT OF HER CHILDREN
WHERE I COME FROM, TELLING A LIE THAT COULD PUT INNOCENT MEN IN PRISON IS MORAL TURPITUDE.
I agree with Kenny. Mangum is not guilty of moral turpitude. In order to be guilty of moral turpitude, Mangum would have to have morals...and those morals would, somehow, have to have been, shall we say, less than those of Mother Teresa.
In Mangum's case, it isn't that she has low moral standards. It is that she has NO morals at all. In other words, she is Amoral. Another poster has described her as having the morals of a house cat. In the sense that a female cat, in heat or in need, will breed over and over, with most any male cat around......I agree with that poster's assessment of Mangum. She is a user. She has used men since her teens apparently, and they have used her. I don't, for a minute, think Daye was some kind of saint. He KNEW her reputation and her behavior when he went to bed with her. Nonetheless, Mangum is, herself, without morals and moral standards because she has continuously put herself and her own needs above others. Her children should NEVER have been exposed to what she put them through......shacking up, drunken brawling, violence, the risk of being burned, seeing her brandishing a knife and on and on.
If you have no sense of ethics or moral standards beyond what is good for you.....then you act like Mangum has acted. Selfishly and recklessly.
I would call any man who took up with her a fool.....but, being foolish did not mean Mr. Daye deserved to die.
I'll remind the Anonymous Posters @3:38 AM and 6:07 AM that, like The New York Post with Ms.Nafissatou Diallo, they, like others, may be exposing themself to a future civil suit for defamation. These anecdotal accusations about Crystal have no basis in fact
KENHYDERAL:
"I'll remind the Anonymous Posters @3:38 AM and 6:07 AM that, like The New York Post with Ms.Nafissatou Diallo, they, like others, may be exposing themself to a future civil suit for defamation. These anecdotal accusations about Crystal have no basis in fact".
I remind KENHYDERAL that Crystal did not file suit against the Lacrosse players after they were exonerated. The Lacrosse players did not pay off Crystal to keep her mouth shut. Duke paid off the Lacrosse players not to talk about the incident.
KENHYDERAL:
Show us your allegations that Crystal was raped have a basis in fact. Thus far you have not.
The story about Mangum in the motel room with a vibrator (sounds like CLUE doesn't it?) came from Mangum herself. Repeating it here would hardly be grounds for defamation.
Mangum has also at various times admitted to "......shacking up, drunken brawling, violence,[setting her boyfriend's clothes on fire],brandishing a knife"
One can look at these actions and legitimately come to a conclusion such as the anonymous posters have, just as you and Sid have come to the conclusion that Mangum is a "tethered lamb".
Modelling and giving an erotic performance is not a crime, prostitution is.
There's nothing in the post from Anonymous at 6:07 about prostitution.
"Modelling". Thanks for the laugh -- really...Crystal is a model now? For what? Orange jumpsuits?
Guiowen said:"Don't worry. Don't you see Kenny doesn't believe in bourgeois morality?" Guiowen also referred to Crystal shacking up...................." In other parts of the world, living together before marriage hasn't had the social stigma that it has in the United States; up until the 1970s, American couples living together were considered to be "living in sin." Times have changed, and the number of unmarried U.S. couples who live together before getting married has jumped from approximately 500,000 in 1970 to several million today [source: Wartik]. It's estimated that up to 70 percent of couples will cohabitate before marriage [source: McCarthy]"
As usual the US is generations behind; like, for instance, in abolishing slavery, in inter-racial marriage, in civil rights,in segregation, in universal, single payer, health care, in gays in the military, in gay marriage, in sensible gun restrictions etc.,etc..
Oooooo, Lord Kenny has just climbed up on his throne yet again to impart his periodic message of holier-than-thou trashcan liner bilge.
Yes, indeed, Lord Kenny, the United States is a third world country.....a terrible place to live....... that, of course, is why millions of people come here to live every single year.......including, Lord Kenny, a whole bunch of frozen canadians who have had a bellyfull of your so-called superior culture.
rave on, Lord Kenny.......
Modeling? Erotic performances? holy bat cape, kenny......have you taken a look at Mangum? Modeling? You think she's been modeling? lolololol......
Most of us could care less what she did for her customers. The mere thought of it makes me gag, in fact. What I find funny is you, pal, and your insistence on describing Mangum as "innocent". That's hysterical.
Kenny, nobody has said Mangum has been charged with and convicted of being a prostitute. I will repeat.....the fact that she has not been charged and convicted of prostitution means she has not been charged and convicted of prostutition. She could have been selling it for years and never gotten caught.......and, the odds are, based on evidence "even a fifth grader" can see, that is precisely how she has made money. If you want to continue to fantasy land, thinking that Mangum has not been making a living selling her favors, that's your right. The point, which you seem to have major difficulty grasping, is that most of us simply do not agree with you and do not believe your fantastical accounts of Mangum's virtue. If she walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, eats duck food, swims like a duck, looks like a duck.....chances are pretty damn good, she's a duck.
Kenny points out all the flaws in our culture, doesn't he. How backward we are, how racist, how selfish, etc. I guess we are such a lousy country......and that helps explain why so many Americans are leaving and going to live in Iraq, or Canada, or Chile, or Eqypt or France. Goodness gracious, there is a vertiable tsunami of citizens jumping on the boats heading out to sea from America. And here we were, thinking that we saw millions coming INTO our country because they wanted to MOVE here.....silly us.
We may not get it right all the time, Kenny, and most of us have the sense to know that our country has many problems that need solutions. But, I tell you this much, most of us know the difference between trash and treasure. You figure out which one Mangum is......
Oh, and by the way, how about you tell us all how proud you are of the what your government and its citizens did to female native peoples....routinely.
Note that Harr has yet to tell us his tale about what the NC Bar said in its recent letter to him.
Also note that Harr has failed to explain the fact that a witness heard a female voice saying, "I'm going to fccc you up".....from the Daye apartment.
Also note that Harr has never apologized for lying about the demolition timing of the old LAX house.
Further, note that Harr has never apologized for accusing Durham officers of setting the fire in the Walker apartment. (a lie he told)
Harr has never admitted that he has lied repeatedly in calling Daye a violent woman-beating alcoholic...
Harr has never admitted that he lied about his role in the preparation and submission of the motions filed for Mangum.....
and so on, and so on........the list of lies, distortions, halftruths, and heresay continues to build.......
KENHYDERAL:
"Guiowen said:"Don't worry. Don't you see Kenny doesn't believe in bourgeois morality?" Guiowen also referred to Crystal shacking up...................." In other parts of the world, living together before marriage hasn't had the social stigma that it has in the United States; up until the 1970s, American couples living together were considered to be "living in sin." Times have changed, and the number of unmarried U.S. couples who live together before getting married has jumped from approximately 500,000 in 1970 to several million today [source: Wartik]. It's estimated that up to 70 percent of couples will cohabitate before marriage [source: McCarthy]"
As usual the US is generations behind; like, for instance, in abolishing slavery, in inter-racial marriage, in civil rights,in segregation, in universal, single payer, health care, in gays in the military, in gay marriage, in sensible gun restrictions etc.,etc."
Regardless, in most parts of the world, falsely convicting someone of a crime is itself criminal, except maybe in totalitarian dictatorships.
Why do you advocate convicting innocent men of false charges of rape, Oh yes. You have succumbed to propaganda that Crystal would never do that.
Right on, KENHYDERAL
When Kenny gets his shorts in a knot, he routinely resorts to attacks on the United States....usually comparing our country to his vastly superior Canada or wherever he is. Here's a news flash, Kenny....bulletin, bulletin, bulletin.....Your opinion of our country, your opinion of your sweetie and your opinion of sidney harr is has value....to YOU. That's about it, pal. This forum is not the place for nationalistic tantrums any more than it is the place for racist dribble. If you want to rant about our country, feel free to do so.....just do us all a favor, and stay in Dubai....where equal rights, freedoms, religious diversity, and equal opportunity just abound. otherwise, feel free to put a sock in it.
I'll stop telling the truth about the United States if you'll stop lying about Crystal. I doubt if Dr.Harr will censor my criticism of the US since he won't even censor the vile hate speech that often appears here. On a per capita basis Canada admits far more immigrants then the US. At least, that is, for legally documented immigrants. This article in the Economist magazine is telling http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2011/05/immigration In 2011 31 % of immigrants to the US were from Latin America.
What exactly is a lie about Mangum? That she is a sex worker? That she killed a man? That she has one convictions? That she is a liar? That she has slept with at least five men in the past four years......that we know about?
You go right ahead and rant about the United States. Feel free. While you are at it, tell it to those women your fine government sterilized. Wow I think old Kenny is all pissy again. Must be a slow night in the erotic entertainment venues in Dubai.
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