justice4nifong: Part One: Judge Ridgeway's rush to convict

Monday, November 18, 2013

Part One: Judge Ridgeway's rush to convict

Part Two of the video will be posted on YouTube as soon as completed, followed by an interactive flog that will contain documents and evidence.

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Anonymous said...: A sarcastic person is a wounded person.; December 6, 2013 at 6:32 PM
Anonymous said...: That's the way, aha, aha
I like it, aha, aha
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I like it, aha, aha; December 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM
Anonymous said...: "Kilgo's source is not anonymous to him. The person with the user name Kilgo, his existence is not in doubt. He posted here for many months. I fear, because of the huge sums of money that were involved, this person got bought off. The e-mail address I used to communicate with him became defunct as soon as it appeared that I was going to involve the Police. I believe that under pressure, perhaps in itself illegal, this purported witness changed his story to now say he saw nothing. I rely, though, on what Crystal told me happened."

Kenny, a sarcastic man is a wounded man.; December 6, 2013 at 8:03 PM
Anonymous said...: evil duke troll

why do you think anyone should assume that what cooper did was right just because it was an 'unprecedented reaction' by your words.

citizens of nc don't have put up with any of that sheat just because duke wants to play their political games - and that's the way it is too - just a bunch of citizens watching all this sheat go down - complaining loudly bout it if they can or have a voice in the matter - and getting completely ignored bout it all while the world watches duke nc politics and the entire usa health system and its patrons get racked

what fun ... not
a lot of people have been harmed; December 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Do you still trust duke to give professional health services to all?

Do you think you are above the mix of all - and therefore exempt in some way from the health services they provide to all?

Do you plan to go along with whatever duke does in order to feel safe from them - even if what duke is doing is wrong and harming many, yourself, or any of the all?

Do you think it places you in a category above the all that duke's health services affect - if you degrade the persons who complain of the harm duke does instead of addressing the harm that duke does in order to acknowledge and stop it for the all?

If so, do you think you are safe from duke's health practices that harm the all in this category above the all that you place yourself in?

If so, do you think it is ok to harm in any additional manner or way those whom complain of the harm to all or any that duke causes - simply because it is duke that is complained about?

If so, why?; December 7, 2013 at 12:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 6, 2013 at 10:14 PM

"evil duke troll

why do you think anyone should assume that what cooper did was right just because it was an 'unprecedented reaction' by your words.

citizens of nc don't have put up with any of that sheat just because duke wants to play their political games - and that's the way it is too - just a bunch of citizens watching all this sheat go down - complaining loudly bout it if they can or have a voice in the matter - and getting completely ignored bout it all while the world watches duke nc politics and the entire usa health system and its patrons get racked

what fun ... not
a lot of people have been harmed"

More uncorroborated garbage from the fabricator.; December 7, 2013 at 3:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 7, 2013 at 12:07 AM:

"Do you still trust duke to give professional health services to all?

Do you think you are above the mix of all - and therefore exempt in some way from the health services they provide to all?

Do you plan to go along with whatever duke does in order to feel safe from them - even if what duke is doing is wrong and harming many, yourself, or any of the all?

Do you think it places you in a category above the all that duke's health services affect - if you degrade the persons who complain of the harm duke does instead of addressing the harm that duke does in order to acknowledge and stop it for the all?

If so, do you think you are safe from duke's health practices that harm the all in this category above the all that you place yourself in?

If so, do you think it is ok to harm in any additional manner or way those whom complain of the harm to all or any that duke causes - simply because it is duke that is complained about?

If so, why?"

Yet more garbage from the fabricator.; December 7, 2013 at 3:16 AM
Anonymous said...: That's the way, aha, aha
I like it, aha, aha
That's the way, aha, aha
I like it, aha, aha
That's the way, aha, aha
I like it, aha, aha
That's the way, aha, aha
I like it, aha, aha; December 7, 2013 at 6:02 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Please explain the concept of the presumption of innocence, if you can.; December 7, 2013 at 7:39 AM
Anonymous said...: A sarcastic person is a wounded person.; December 7, 2013 at 8:04 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Please explain the concept of Corpus Delicti, if you dare.; December 7, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Anonymous said...: "Kilgo's source is not anonymous to him. The person with the user name Kilgo, his existence is not in doubt. He posted here for many months. I fear, because of the huge sums of money that were involved, this person got bought off. The e-mail address I used to communicate with him became defunct as soon as it appeared that I was going to involve the Police. I believe that under pressure, perhaps in itself illegal, this purported witness changed his story to now say he saw nothing. I rely, though, on what Crystal told me happened."

Kenny, a wounded man is a sarcastic man.; December 7, 2013 at 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Do you agree with this?(found at http://www.vdare.com/stix/070113_duke.htm)
'In the American criminal justice system, it is illegal for a prosecutor to charge anyone with a non-existent crime. And it is not the prerogative of any jury to decide the fate of falsely charged defendants.'"

This is from your blog, http://justice4nifong.blogspot.com/2011/04/postmortem-shenanigans-and-media.html

Why have you never answered the question?; December 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Please explain the concept of res ipsa loquitur, if you dare.; December 7, 2013 at 9:39 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Figure this out, if you can:

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.; December 7, 2013 at 12:43 PM
Anonymous said...: i give, what do you mean by that evil duke troll?; December 8, 2013 at 5:08 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Please explain the concept of res ipsa loquitur, if you dare.; December 8, 2013 at 7:13 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Please explain the concept of res ipsa loquitur, if you dare"... An enraged and drunken Reginald Daye attacked Crystal and she took whatever action was necessary to defend herself; res ipsa loquitur.; December 8, 2013 at 8:27 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Kenny, a wounded man is a sarcastic man".................... I'll lay me down and bleed awhile,. Then I'll rise and fight again; December 8, 2013 at 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 8, 2013 at 5:08 AM:

"i give, what do you mean by that evil duke troll?"

More Garbage from th fabricator.; December 8, 2013 at 8:42 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"An enraged and drunken Reginald Daye attacked Crystal and she took whatever action was necessary to defend herself; res ipsa loquitur. "

The comment cam from the flattrer, not me.

In any event, what you describe shows you can not explain res ipsa loquitur. The facts show that Crystal, not Reginald Daye, was the aggressor.

You again try to dismiss the facts so that your favorite murderess can walk.; December 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"I'll lay me down and bleed awhile,. Then I'll rise and fight again".

Yes, for very ignoble causes, convicting innocent men of a crime which never happened, getting your favorite murderess a pass for her crimes.; December 8, 2013 at 8:48 AM
Anonymous said...: ah shucks, evil duke troll

you continually compliment my sincere humbleness with your flattery copying of my every comment

you can stop if'n you'd like.

i officially take notice of your flattery of copyery and offer my humble and sincere gratitude for your continued admiring platitudes

thanks; December 8, 2013 at 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 8, 2013 at 8:55 AM

"ah shucks, evil duke troll

you continually compliment my sincere humbleness with your flattery copying of my every comment

you can stop if'n you'd like.

i officially take notice of your flattery of copyery and offer my humble and sincere gratitude for your continued admiring platitudes"

More fabricated garbage from the fabricator.

thanks; December 8, 2013 at 9:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 8, 2013 at 8:55 AM:

I sure am getting to you, aren't I, fabricator.; December 8, 2013 at 9:20 AM
Anonymous said...: evil duke troll

we are proud of you

you haven't copied massive amounts of comments from previous times for the purpose of annoance

you haven't pretended to be a retired doctor who knows something about medicine

you haven't posted onerous snide, false, mean, mis-leading, and malious comments about anyone who doesn't kiss duke's you know what in fearful submission to their tyranny, all the while looking the other way as they kill your fellow man to frame another

you haven't called people fabricators, meglomaniacs, and trolls who are no such thing to the perception of most

you haven't repeated every comment that goes against your duke is great fevor that was posted and negated it no matter what was said

etc.

all in the past continuous 12 hours

good for you evil duke troll

you get the sincerely bestowed you are great j4n compliment for the day

yeah; December 8, 2013 at 11:27 PM
Anonymous said...: btw

is this because:

a. someone told you santa was coming to town

b. you're repenting of your evil ways - starting now

c. you're snowed/iced in and 'down'

???; December 9, 2013 at 1:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 8, 2013 at 11:27 PM:

"evil duke troll

we are proud of you

you haven't copied massive amounts of comments from previous times for the purpose of annoance

you haven't pretended to be a retired doctor who knows something about medicine

you haven't posted onerous snide, false, mean, mis-leading, and malious comments about anyone who doesn't kiss duke's you know what in fearful submission to their tyranny, all the while looking the other way as they kill your fellow man to frame another

you haven't called people fabricators, meglomaniacs, and trolls who are no such thing to the perception of most

you haven't repeated every comment that goes against your duke is great fevor that was posted and negated it no matter what was said

etc.

all in the past continuous 12 hours

good for you evil duke troll

you get the sincerely bestowed you are great j4n compliment for the day"

A whole train load of uncorroborated garbage from the fabricator.

yeah; December 9, 2013 at 4:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 9, 2013 at 1:07 AM:

"btw

is this because:

a. someone told you santa was coming to town

b. you're repenting of your evil ways - starting now

c. you're snowed/iced in and 'down'"

More impotent name calling on the part of the fabricator

???

Yeah; December 9, 2013 at 4:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Hey fabricator

Ray Charles; December 9, 2013 at 4:30 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Something from CNN this AM:

"[The] American Bar Association Rule of Professional Responsibility 3.8(d) that... has been adopted by the Department of Justice, and requires prosecutors to disclose all evidence that "tends to negate the guilt of the accused or mitigates the offense."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/04/opinion/barry-scheck-innocence-project-prosecutor-accountability/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

Something corrupt DA NIFONG, whom you hold up as the ideal ethical prosecutor, did not do in the phomey Duk rape case.

Or are you still claiming that the fact, that the only DNA found on Crystal after she lied about being raped did not match the men corrupt DA NIFONG accused was not exculpatory.; December 9, 2013 at 4:45 AM
Anonymous said...: You know there was insufficient evidence to try that case - so how can you make judgements on the case and continually demand other peoples' judgements any way.

You are the one who continues to bring the case up - like you need to have it retried or something, again and again.

That case is way over, although it did not get a dismissed with prejudice judgement.

Is that your problem?

That so many questions were left unanswered?

Why does it bother you so much what anyone says or thinks about that case?

If it bothers you at all, it should be that the US goverment and duke would conspire to lead so many astray and harm so many - all for politics, money, control, power, some sort of woman bashing campaign that runs deep underneath the whole thing, as well as corruption and profit at the expense of the lives, well-being, and livelihoods of many innocent and unsuspecting subjects.

Why do you seem to insist on being part of this agenda of manipulation, control, and abuse in conjuction with duke?

Why does duke persist in this agenda?; December 9, 2013 at 7:00 AM
Anonymous said...: This site is becoming BORING......not because of Walt, Lance, A Doctor....but because of the Duke-hating nutjob and Kenny Cry Baby...
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I'd rather watch paint dry than read this crap...........even poor old racist Sidney was at least comical in his lies and conspiracy junk; December 9, 2013 at 7:38 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Are you speaking based on knowledge or are you going by gossip in a hatchet-job article?"

No.

I am referring to your track record with regard to Duke and the State Bar. You represented yourself. Did you win?

You are certifiably insane if you believe you will prevail in your current frivolous lawsuit. You will lose and probably have sanctions imposed.

Regarding the Duke case, I never had my day in court. I am trying to do that now.

Regarding the State Bar, I was defending myself for trying to help Mangum. True, I did not prevail, but had I been able to go to trial I might have.; December 9, 2013 at 7:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 9, 2013 at 7:00 AM:

"You know there was insufficient evidence to try that case - so how can you make judgements on the case and continually demand other peoples' judgements any way."

Correction: there was NO evidence.

"You are the one who continues to bring the case up - like you need to have it retried or something, again and again."

SIDNEY is the one calling Crystal the "victim/accuser". HENHYDERAL keeps insisting she was raped. Both insist that she and corrupt DA NIFONG were the victims of a vendteea, a non existent vendetta.

"That case is way over, although it did not get a dismissed with prejudice judgement."

It was dismissed because there was no crime to begin with, nothing to submit to judgment.

"Is that your problem?"

That seems to be your priblem, not mine.

"That so many questions were left unanswered?'

There were no unanswered questions, except maybe why Crystal was not charged with filing a false report.

"Why does it bother you so much what anyone says or thinks about that case?"

Why does it bother you that I do not agree with what some others, corrut DA NIFONG, SIDNEY, KENHYDERAL think about the case?

"If it bothers you at all, it should be that the US goverment and duke would conspire to lead so many astray and harm so many - all for politics, money, control, power, some sort of woman bashing campaign that runs deep underneath the whole thing, as well as corruption and profit at the expense of the lives, well-being, and livelihoods of many innocent and unsuspecting subjects."

Uncorroborated allegations from the fabricator.

"Why do you seem to insist on being part of this agenda of manipulation, control, and abuse in conjuction with duke?"

Even more uncorroborated allegations from the fabricator.

"Why does duke persist in this agenda?"

They don't. You do.

I'm really getting to you, aren't I, fabricator.; December 9, 2013 at 7:41 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"I appreciate your advice, but feel compelled to follow through in order to get justice regarding Duke University."

Justice is getting what you deserve. You got justice when your lawsuit against Duke was tossed. You are going to get another dose of justice for refiling your suit.

"Where Mangum is concerned, she did not follow my advice... and she placed her trust in her attorney who sold her down the tube."

BULLSHIT!!! Had Crystal not listened to your advice she would have pleaded to a lesser charge of manslaughter and gotten a sentence a lot lighter than a minimum sentence of 14+ years in prison.

"I am still working to try to get her conviction tossed. She should never have been charged in the first place."

You have your cases mixed up. The innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players should never have been charged. There was no crime. There was probable cause to believe Crystal was criminally responsible for Reginald Daye's death.

The Crystal Mangum Saga is not over yet. I will see to it that the conviction against her is tossed and that she is released from custody.

Don't expect miracles overnight as I am also currently involved with my own lawsuit against the state. With a little luck she should be free no later than the end of January 2014. Mark your calendars.; December 9, 2013 at 7:44 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

I hope your "help" is not as damaging to her appeal as it was to her trial. You are a disgrace who clearly just loves the attention. You got your martyr, now you are going to do all you can in the name of "help" to make sure that the conviction stands so you still have your cause.

But, hey, it's a free world, and I know you enjoy comments like this. Your problem is that you don't like being ignored. When Crystal ignored you, you got mad (you said so yourself). You don't care if people say nice things, or bad things, about you - so long as they say something.

Have fun.; December 9, 2013 at 7:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Do you know what her appeal consists of? Has it been filed yet?

Dr. Harr, what do you plan to do if you can speak about it here at this time without compromising your cases or Ms. Mangum's case in any way.

That was not me in that last post - nor do I know latin btw.; December 9, 2013 at 8:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Everything Dr. Harr does is for the purposes of compromising Crystal's case - haven't you figured that out yet? He's more interested in preserving his soap box than he is in helping her. If he really wanted to help her, he would have listened to the lawyers who were actually helping her.; December 9, 2013 at 8:08 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Regarding the Duke case, I never had my day in court. I am trying to do that now."

I guess you ignore what Walt clearly laid out for you, The way you filed your suit was incorrect, not according to the law, which you claim you observe. You did not deserve a day in court.

"Regarding the State Bar, I was defending myself for trying to help Mangum."

You were practicing law without license.

"True, I did not prevail,"

THIS IS AN EXTREMELY RARE OCCASION. SIDNEY told the truth.

"but had I been able to go to trial I might have."

But you finish up by lying again.; December 9, 2013 at 8:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Oh, wow, the hooker convicted murderer is going to be free and back on the corner by January 2014. per sidney. Coooool beans! all you johns save up your cash....Precious will be back on the job soon.; December 9, 2013 at 8:32 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"

The Crystal Mangum Saga is not over yet. I will see to it that the conviction against her is tossed and that she is released from custody.

Don't expect miracles overnight as I am also currently involved with my own lawsuit against the state. With a little luck she should be free no later than the end of January 2014. Mark your calendars."

Just like we were supposed to mark your words thar the state would notn dare to take the case to trial in the first place?; December 9, 2013 at 8:33 AM
Anonymous said...: I don't think Ms. Mangum knew what she was doing in the trial - that is for sure. I think she was overly manipulated and coherced throughout her incarceration and trial because of the duke malpractice / ME report discrepancies and recent firing, and the overcharge of the larcency to win federal penalty murder status.

I think the case needs to be retryed and all evidence presented after Ms. Mangum has time to prepare a case with a lawyer she feels comfortable with in their conflict of interest with duke and the ME, and with their legal skills and experience as a defense criminal murder case lawyer - and that she needs to be given sufficient time in which to do so.

The trial so far has not been fair, equal, nor just.

I think that duke and the ME need to answer for what they have or have not done for the sake of all, but that part of the trial should in no way affect Ms. Mangum negatively - however - it could relieve her from the burden of the charge of murder.; December 9, 2013 at 8:35 AM
Anonymous said...: Remember - because of Dr. Harr's attempts to sabotage Crystal's case - the ME and Duke Doctors had over a year to go over any possible discrepancies and make sure they were prepared to respond to those questions in ways that would NOT be helpful to Ms. Mangum.

Dr. Harr got what he wanted - a conviction for Crystal, and enough deluded people who think he really wants to help that they keep encouraging him to continue his harmful efforts while pretending they are helpful.

And, now he is promising to do the same with her appeal. Any positive outcome Ms. Mangum gets on appeal will be because of her appellate lawyer, and in spite of all the harm Dr. Harr tries to inflict, not because of any "help" he may provide.

He is not remotely helpful.; December 9, 2013 at 8:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Well then it is the DA's fault for filing charges and putting the trial to court in the first place.

If the ME and duke had discrepancies that could be 'fixed' in a years time - obviously there were problems that needed to be sorted out immediately before the charges were applied, not ... never ... like the ME and duke seem to want.; December 9, 2013 at 9:02 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Kenny Cry Baby"........... "Tears shed for another person are not a sign of weakness. They are a sign of a pure heart.”(José Harris); December 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 9, 2013 at 8:35 AM:

"I don't think Ms. Mangum knew what she was doing in the trial - that is for sure."

Well, she believed SIDNEY whn he said the state had no case and the charges would be dropped. Her was fault because she chose to believe SIDNEY rather than her lawyers. It is not grounds for appeal.

"I think she was overly manipulated and coherced throughout her incarceration and trial because of the duke malpractice / ME report discrepancies and recent firing, and the overcharge of the larcency to win federal penalty murder status."

There was no Duke malpractice. And it is Felony murde, not Federal murder.

"I think the case needs to be retryed and all evidence presented after Ms. Mangum has time to prepare a case with a lawyer she feels comfortable with in their conflict of interest with duke and the ME, and with their legal skills and experience as a defense criminal murder case lawyer - and that she needs to be given sufficient time in which to do so."

Crystal had ample time to prepare for trial, more than two years. Rather than prepare, she listened to SIDNEY telling her there would be no trial. The defendant's unwie actions are not grounds for a new trial. No one on the prosecution side had an conflict with Duke. Your paranoia over Duke is not grounds for a new trial.

"The trial so far has not been fair, equal, nor just."

Yes it was.

"I think that duke and the ME need to answer for what they have or have not done for the sake of all, but that part of the trial should in no way affect Ms. Mangum negatively - however - it could relieve her from the burden of the charge of murder."

You presume a fact not in evidence, that you can think.; December 9, 2013 at 10:03 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"'Tears shed for another person are not a sign of weakness. They are a sign of a pure heart.'(José Harris)"

In your case, whatever tears you have shed are because a) innocent men were not convicted of raping Crystal, and b) the facts were not disregardedand your favorite murderess did not get a pass for her crimes. our tears indicate a very dark, deluded heart.; December 9, 2013 at 10:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Oooooo, Kenny is googling quotes again. Good work, Kenny. If you read enough books over the summer and draw pretty colored maps, I bet you can get extra credit in 3rd grade next year.; December 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Correction of typo:

KENHYDERAL:

"'Tears shed for another person are not a sign of weakness. They are a sign of a pure heart.'(José Harris)"

In your case, whatever tears you have shed are because a) innocent men were not convicted of raping Crystal, and b) the facts were not disregardedand your favorite murderess did not get a pass for her crimes. Your tears indicate a very dark, deluded heart; December 9, 2013 at 10:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Walt, what are the nature of "sanctions" that the court(s) could impose on Harr for filing/refiling his nuisance suits? What relief is available to Duke, if any? Dollars, jail time, time out in the corner, what?; December 9, 2013 at 10:39 AM
Anonymous said...: A friend of mine does background checks and polygraph examinations for major corporations around the country. He is an expert in body language "tells" , handwriting analysis and behavior cues for truthfulness/deceit. He viewed Mangum's testimony video....all of it. He also looked at the handwriting on the motions that were supposedly filed by Mangum.
According to him she is a habitual liar.........a poor one....but nonetheless, a stone liar. by "poor" he means that she gives herself away when she lies. He also said she lacks essential and very fundamental ethical boundaries. If Mangum had been given a polygraph in 2006 (were it possible to actually get her clean and sober long enough), the truth would have come out then.; December 9, 2013 at 11:29 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 10:39 AM wrote: "Walt, what are the nature of "sanctions" that the court(s) could impose on Harr for filing/refiling his nuisance suits? What relief is available to Duke, if any? Dollars, jail time, time out in the corner, what?"

Duke is seeking a pre-filing restriction. That is, they want Sid prohibited from filing anymore suits against them without the suit being first reviewed by the court to determine if it has merit. That is about the least restrictive sanction possible. I suspect, given Sid's terrible record of losses that is what the court will do. I don't envy the clerk having to review Sid's inept filings. But, that's what he gets the big money for.

Walt-in-Durham; December 9, 2013 at 1:14 PM
A Lawyer said...: Duke is seeking a pre-filing restriction. That is, they want Sid prohibited from filing anymore suits against them without the suit being first reviewed by the court to determine if it has merit. That is about the least restrictive sanction possible.

That is the least restrictive sanction, if Dr. Harr follows it. If the court enters a pre-filing order and Harr sues Duke again without following that order, he is in contempt of court, and will go directly to jail, without passing "Go" and without collecting $200.; December 9, 2013 at 1:28 PM
Anonymous said...: If durham would NOT send people to duke hospitals if there is an obvious conflict of interest with duke for whatever reason in court cases - then, (in all probability), you would not have had the lacrosse case and Mr. Daye would not have died from that fight between him and Ms. Mangum at the hands of duke's medical services which has caused so much delay, confusion, questions of major professional ethics and performance, etc., in this current case.

That is something that definitely needs to change if at all possible in durham, as duke has issues in this area of service to the public apparently.

That is just one of the problems that needs to be fixed of course.; December 9, 2013 at 1:41 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "A friend of mine does background checks and polygraph examinations for major corporations around the country"................. I suppose your friend, just like you, want's to remain anonymous and will not go on record by name with his anonymous conclusions. Nor will he likely show us his qualifications. Did he do this just as a lark or did someone commission him for his "professional" assessment. Not going public would also relieve him of any peer review of the conclusions he drew.; December 9, 2013 at 3:44 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"I suppose your friend, just like you, want's to remain anonymous and will not go on record by name with his anonymous conclusions. Nor will he likely show us his qualifications. Did he do this just as a lark or did someone commission him for his "professional" assessment. Not going public would also relieve him of any peer review of the conclusions he drew."

Why don't you tell us what qualifications you have to judge that innocent men are guilty of raping Crystal. There was no evidence that the rape occurred. Crystal's allegation, aside from being non credible, does not add up to evidence of rape.

For that matter, why do you accept SIDNEY as a "distinguished physician". SIDNEY, by his own admission, never completed any residency training an never achieved any board certification. That would distinguish him from other physician as being completely untrained.

Your criterion for considering someone qualified is, does the individual agree with you, that the facts should be dismissed so that your favorite murderess could get a pass for her crimes.; December 9, 2013 at 4:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 9, 2013 at 1:41 PM:

"If durham would NOT send people to duke hospitals if there is an obvious conflict of interest with duke for whatever reason in court cases - then, (in all probability), you would not have had the lacrosse case"

BULLSHIT!!! We had the Lacrosse case because corrupt DA NIFONG wanted to stir up black on white racism in order to get elected DA and augment his retirement benefits.

"and Mr. Daye would not have died from that fight between him and Ms. Mangum at the hands of duke's medical services which has caused so much delay, confusion, questions of major professional ethics and performance, etc., in this current case."

You are certifiably deluded.

"That is something that definitely needs to change if at all possible in durham, as duke has issues in this area of service to the public apparently."

More garbage from the fabricator.

"That is just one of the problems that needs to be fixed of course."

You are a problem who nan not recognize himself. Sad.; December 9, 2013 at 4:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

The jury found that Crystal was not credible. That is the only group whose opinion matters.

I agree that the anonymous "expert" cited by an anonymous poster has no credibility. Much in the same way, an anonymous source identified by a pseudonymous former poster identified by a self-identified poster has no credibility.

You can whine as much as you want that Crystal's errors in her testimony were irrelevant or insignificant. The jury disagreed. Their opinion matters; yours is irrelevant.

You can whine as much as you want that Daye started the confrontation and nothing else matters. The jury disagreed. Their opinion matters; yours is irrelevant.

You can whine as much as you want that the law is unfair. The jury applied the law. Your opinion is irrelevant.

Instead of whining incessently on a poorly read blog, I suggest that you actually do something productive.

Come to Durham. Hire an attorney for Crystal's appeal that you and she trust. Hire a medical expert to analyze the medical records. Hire an investigator.

These are actions you should have taken prior to her trial, but you were content to trust Crystal's future to Sidney Harr. It is not too late to show you care.

Unless you act constructively, the readers here will be forced to conclude that you don't really care what happens to Crystal. You just like to whine.; December 9, 2013 at 4:50 PM
guiowen said...: Yes, but Kenny whines sincerely.; December 9, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Anonymous said...: evil duke troll

you are the one who is:

certifiably deluded

a meglomaniac

a fabricator

an uncorroborated allegator fabricator and a fabricator who uncorroboratingly allegates as a course of daily posts on this blog

a troll

a fabricated retired physician with no credentials that you expect eveyone to believe - but not that Dr. Harr is a doctor to be trusted in reading and explaining medical records quite clearly and precisely - that even you - as a fabricated retired doc should be able to see quite plainly what he is saying - but no - you accuse others of all that you are instead

you are blind to that of course

why is that? wake up; December 9, 2013 at 11:15 PM
Walt said...: Meanwhile, there are real cases of injustice in Durham that do need attention. You can read about one at: http://walt-in-durham.blogspot.com/2013/12/huerta-family-seeks-fbi-investigation.html

Thanks for looking.

Walt-in-Durham; December 10, 2013 at 4:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 9, 2013 at 11:15 PM:

evil duke troll

you are the one who is:

certifiably deluded

a meglomaniac

a fabricator

an uncorroborated allegator fabricator and a fabricator who uncorroboratingly allegates as a course of daily posts on this blog

a troll

a fabricated retired physician with no credentials that you expect eveyone to believe - but not that Dr. Harr is a doctor to be trusted in reading and explaining medical records quite clearly and precisely - that even you - as a fabricated retired doc should be able to see quite plainly what he is saying - but no - you accuse others of all that you are instead

you are blind to that of course

why is that? wake up"

More impotent, unimaginative name calling from the fabricator.

I am really getting to you, aren't I, fabricator.; December 10, 2013 at 4:30 AM
Anonymous said...: those are the names you are using silly evil duke troll

ok - add unimaginative name caller to list

blah; December 10, 2013 at 6:20 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 6:20 AM

"those are the names you are using silly evil duke troll

ok - add unimaginative name caller to list

blah"

I am really getting to you, arn't I, unimaginative name calling fabricator.; December 10, 2013 at 6:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 6:20 AM:

Excuse me.

I meant to say:

I am really getting to you, arn't I, unimaginative impotent name calling fabricator.; December 10, 2013 at 6:24 AM
Anonymous said...: "....who uncorroboratingly allegates as a course of daily posts on this blog"

Exactly how does one "allegate"?; December 10, 2013 at 6:47 AM
A Lawyer said...: Exactly how does one "allegate"?

That's easy--one allegates uncorroboratingly.

Come on, everyone knows that.; December 10, 2013 at 7:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Well played, A Lawyer...Well played.; December 10, 2013 at 7:11 AM
Anonymous said...: hey - but it was imaginative ... and sincere; December 10, 2013 at 7:28 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Say, wasn't Cicero the character who took advantage of his position to put Catilina and a few other guys to death, without benefit of trial? I can see why you like him. Too bad you're not consul of Rome, or at least DA for Durham county, isn't it?; December 10, 2013 at 8:48 AM
Anonymous said...: ...."Any man (or woman) can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error..."

Marcus Tullius Cicero

Kenny Cry Baby, Sister and Sidney.....; December 10, 2013 at 8:54 AM
Anonymous said...: "That's easy--one allegates uncorroboratingly.

Come on, everyone knows that"

It stands to reason, then, that this person would be an uncorroborating allegator.; December 10, 2013 at 9:41 AM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: "Say, wasn't Cicero the character who took advantage of his position to put Catilina and a few other guys to death, without benefit of trial? I can see why you like him. Too bad you're not consul of Rome, or at least DA for Durham county, isn't it?".............. I thought he was killed in a war he started to overthrow the Government. He was a traitor and a villain according to Cicero, possessing both the greatest of virtues and the most terrible of vices; December 10, 2013 at 9:45 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: You can whine as much as you want that Daye started the confrontation and nothing else matters. The jury disagreed. Their opinion matters"................... "If the law supposes that then the law is an ass" (Dickens/Oliver Twist); December 10, 2013 at 9:52 AM
kenhyderal said...: @ A Lawyer: http://www.ask.com/question/what-is-the-definition-of-allegate; December 10, 2013 at 9:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Wikipedia is a wonderful thing, isn't it, Cut-N-Paste Ken?

You should at least modify the text....

FYI -- Here's Cut-N-Paste Ken's source. Look for the phrase "the greatest of virtues and the most terrible of vices."; December 10, 2013 at 10:04 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL posted the following link:

http://www.ask.com/question/what-is-the-definition-of-allegate

here is the definition:

"To allegate is to claim or ascertain that a person has done something illegal or wrong. This claim is usually made without adequate proof though the accusing party claims to be able to prove the allegation."

It is an accurate description of what corrupt DA NIFONG was doing in the phoney Duke rape case.

It describes what KENHYDERAL is doing whenever he claims Crystal was raped.

It is a perfect definition of what the fabricator was doing.; December 10, 2013 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Cut-N-Paste Ken:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/spellcheck/american_english/?q=allegate

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/spellcheck/american-english/?q=allegate

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegate

I trust these sources MUCH more than "ask.com"....; December 10, 2013 at 10:08 AM
A Lawyer said...: If he allegates, does that make him an alligator?; December 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
The fact remains that you'd like to be able to convict the lacrosse players without benefit of trial, and that you'd like to convict Reginald Daye without any discussion - just as you'd like Crystal cleared without any need for trial.; December 10, 2013 at 10:09 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
The fact remains that you'd like to be able to convict the lacrosse players without benefit of trial, and that you'd like to convict Reginald Daye without any discussion - just as you'd like Crystal cleared without any need for trial.; December 10, 2013 at 10:10 AM
Anonymous said...: My other anonymous poster -- That is the definition of Allege...."Allegate is not a reall word (in English)...; December 10, 2013 at 10:12 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL provided the following quote:

"If the law supposes that then the law is an ass" (Dickens/Oliver Twist)

Unfortunately for KENHYDERAL, the quote is not at all relevant to the murder of Reginald Daye.

I say again, KENHYDERAL believes any and all facts in the case should be ignored and that his favorite murderess be given a pass for her crimes.; December 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM
guiowen said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 10, 2013 at 10:15 AM
kenhyderal said...: I don't intend to impugn A Lawyer's articulateness but I assumed he was intimating that the Poster used allegate incorrectly instead of allege. If I'm wrong I apologize.; December 10, 2013 at 10:19 AM
guiowen said...: You know, Kenny, it's just too bad your buddy Mark Tully didn't make it to the Senate, that day in March of 44. It would really have improved Shakespeare's play. He would have had Tully talking about Caesar: " ... because he was insincere, I slew him. There is tears for his love, ..., and death for his insincerity!" Then Antony could come on: "The noble Cicero has told you that Caesar was insincere. This is the most grievous of faults, and grievously hath Caesar answered it!"; December 10, 2013 at 10:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal = pwned by Anonymous poster..

Hey Cut-N-Paste Ken - All your base are belong to us.; December 10, 2013 at 10:30 AM
Anonymous said...: ok

so what's the vote on fabricator allegator

or

uncorroborated allegator fabricator

either way

evil duke troll

you can look the sheat up that i talked about and see it was in the news - whether that's whats happened or not - i read it in the news

in addition - any other things i talk about is common knowledge if you deal with duke - it all becomes quite apparent to many

those who don't see it are lucky, deluded, or do not deal with duke in any way, or do not read the local papers, etc.

sorry as you i'm sure to have to hear of things about the real duke experience for many (or most), sorrier still to have it all too real

seen to much sheat going down where their concerned just by reading the local news, etc.

so ... no ... i am not fabricating nor allegating really (these things in the news have already been tried that i talk about usually) ... just talking bout things i've read in news, etc. - sad as that may seem; December 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM
Anonymous said...: so - yes - i agree

it goes beyond disappointing to read these things about duke

way beyond

to the point that it could make you sick

cuz you've got someone getting trached or something - and don't you know - hearing this sheat during a time like that goes way beyond 'right' - especially because then you see 'them' trying to cover it up instead of facing the issues to insure others are not harmed

has that ever happened in this current case with duke and Ms. Mangum and Mr. Daye - not to anyone's knowledge that i have seen

that sucks BIG FRACKING TIME don't you know

it is a big reason why duke sucks

this type of unprofessionalism that goes way beyond disappointing into things that you would call allegations and i would call the way it is and all too real is the reason that they suck; December 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Hey alligator -- I got an idea for you.

You don't like Duke? move your fat ass somewhere else.

If you move to Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi, you get to be the state reptile.; December 10, 2013 at 11:17 AM
Anonymous said...: seriously?

is that how duke is dealing with their lowest town-gown relationship rating in the nation?

getting trolls on-line to degrade and demand those who protest duke's outrageous and illigal and harmful behaviors, practices, and procedures - not to mention the hostile and unprofessional and untrustworthy environment they have created for all - to move to another state?

is that what they do?; December 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Duke does not participate in illigal behaviors, practices, and procedures.; December 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM:

"ok

so what's the vote on fabricator allegator

or

uncorroborated allegator fabricator

either way

evil duke troll

you can look the sheat up that i talked about and see it was in the news - whether that's whats happened or not - i read it in the news

in addition - any other things i talk about is common knowledge if you deal with duke - it all becomes quite apparent to many

those who don't see it are lucky, deluded, or do not deal with duke in any way, or do not read the local papers, etc.

sorry as you i'm sure to have to hear of things about the real duke experience for many (or most), sorrier still to have it all too real

seen to much sheat going down where their concerned just by reading the local news, etc.

so ... no ... i am not fabricating nor allegating really (these things in the news have already been tried that i talk about usually) ... just talking bout things i've read in news, etc. - sad as that may seem"

More garbage from the fabricator alligator.; December 10, 2013 at 11:40 AM
Anonymous said...: no - they don't participate?

what about their union with gates and his vaccination world depopulation plan?

that's a big one

there are many other examples like that though - just gotta look at all the pharma co.'s & co. in their backyard and basement and doctors and professors and researchers offices and pockets to see but a few more

they do perpetuate illigal actions, practices, and procedures - and then they try to cover it up - or grin and make a mockery of justice and society and all their patrons, patients, and peoples in the durham / duke in injustice wonderland and beyond if they must ... so yeah ...; December 10, 2013 at 11:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Oh, you mean illegal...
You should participate in an Adult Literacy program.; December 10, 2013 at 12:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 11:57 AM:

"no - they don't participate?

what about their union with gates and his vaccination world depopulation plan?

that's a big one

there are many other examples like that though - just gotta look at all the pharma co.'s & co. in their backyard and basement and doctors and professors and researchers offices and pockets to see but a few more

they do perpetuate illigal actions, practices, and procedures - and then they try to cover it up - or grin and make a mockery of justice and society and all their patrons, patients, and peoples in the durham / duke in injustice wonderland and beyond if they must ... so yeah ..."

The fabricator alligator spills more garbage.; December 10, 2013 at 12:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 11:24 AM

"seriously?

is that how duke is dealing with their lowest town-gown relationship rating in the nation?

getting trolls on-line to degrade and demand those who protest duke's outrageous and illigal and harmful behaviors, practices, and procedures - not to mention the hostile and unprofessional and untrustworthy environment they have created for all - to move to another state?

is that what they do?"

It looks like I am not the only one getting to you, eh, fabricator alligator?; December 10, 2013 at 12:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 10:45 AM:

"ok

so what's the vote on fabricator allegator"

How about fabricator alligator uncorroborator?; December 10, 2013 at 12:23 PM
Anonymous said...: For number 900:

Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM:

"so - yes - i agree

it goes beyond disappointing to read these things about duke

way beyond

to the point that it could make you sick

cuz you've got someone getting trached or something - and don't you know - hearing this sheat during a time like that goes way beyond 'right' - especially because then you see 'them' trying to cover it up instead of facing the issues to insure others are not harmed

has that ever happened in this current case with duke and Ms. Mangum and Mr. Daye - not to anyone's knowledge that i have seen

that sucks BIG FRACKING TIME don't you know

it is a big reason why duke sucks

this type of unprofessionalism that goes way beyond disappointing into things that you would call allegations and i would call the way it is and all too real is the reason that they suck"

Suck on your own garbage, fabricator alligator uncorroborator.; December 10, 2013 at 12:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Here's a question:
A news story hit the wires last week about a military vet of 12 years who wanted to buy an IPAD. He found a seller on Craig's list. They agreed to meet in a parking lot for a cash sale. The seller, along with a pal of his, did not have an IPAD to sell. He robbed the vet and then, apparently for fun, the two shot and killed the young man. The vet leaves a wife and a baby behind.
Here's the question..... the vet's photo accompanied the story; he was white. Photos of the two men (under 20) who were arrested and charged with murder were not shown. Their names were, in my humble opinion, a dead giveaway of their race......black. Tyron and Tyshaune. Not too many white , asian or mexican dudes with these names, right?
So, with names like these two, were people in the community where this happened wrong to feel outrage, publicly spoken, against two black men....even tho race was not mentioned in the story? Was it wrong for citizens to assume the killer were black because of their names?
Frankly, I find some black first names comical.....just as I find downright hilarious the NBA idiot who called himself "World Be Free". But, hey, that's just me. There are some damn funny names in my family, too....gotta admit it.; December 10, 2013 at 12:26 PM
A Lawyer said...: i am not fabricating nor allegating really (these things in the news have already been tried that i talk about usually) ... just talking bout things i've read in news, etc. - sad as that may seem

What newspaper did you read them in? The same paper that wrote about Sidney Harr's long pattern of filing baseless and fraudulent lawsuits?; December 10, 2013 at 12:35 PM
guiowen said...: You know, fabricator alligator,
I used to dislike Duke (and Dick Brodhead in particular). Now I figure anything that you dislike so much can't be all bad.; December 10, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Anonymous said...: you're rather fickle aren't you?

shame ... where's your sincerity ... gone with your hatred for what?

what a fool; December 10, 2013 at 1:31 PM
guiowen said...: fabricator alligator,
A sarcastic man is a wounded man.; December 10, 2013 at 1:41 PM
Anonymous said...: how do you stop something like the gate's depopulation vaccination plan anyway?

and is it illegal for the USA or duke to participate in his plan with full knowledge of what gates himself publically purports his goal to be ... which is depopulation?; December 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 1:45 PM

"how do you stop something like the gate's depopulation vaccination plan anyway?

and is it illegal for the USA or duke to participate in his plan with full knowledge of what gates himself publically purports his goal to be ... which is depopulation?"

Even more garbage from the fabricator alligator uncorroborator.; December 10, 2013 at 1:51 PM
Anonymous said...: that is probably a big part of the problem with duke

it's involvement in all these majorily evil activities that are being carried out on a grand and miniscule level ... all with the backing and support of some of the richest and most powerful players in the world

there is such an undertow of corruption and destruction of all that is deemed expendible or too stable to exist in service to chaos driven politics and societal upheaval (and war) in the world

it seems to have had a tremendous effect on duke, unless this is the way they always were ... which could be true and only now the internet is starting to even the playing field a bit and let the real duke be more apparent to more than just a few

how does gates get stopped from his depopulation plans - and what else does he have planned besides vaccinations? How odd to know his program exists - even in durham / nc / etc. through duke.; December 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Anonymous said...: There's no such thing as the "the gate's depopulation vaccination plan".

Here's more information.; December 10, 2013 at 2:15 PM
A Lawyer said...: So, you're telling me that the serial fabricator alligator uncorroborator has posted more fabricated uncorroborated allegadations?; December 10, 2013 at 2:22 PM
guiowen said...: fabricator alligator,
The way to stop this is to sue Bill Gates. Get a cease-and-desist ord er against him.; December 10, 2013 at 3:04 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 10, 2013 at 3:12 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "how do you stop something like the gate's depopulation vaccination plan anyway?
and is it illegal for the USA or duke to participate in his plan with full knowledge of what gates himself publically purports his goal to be ... which is depopulation?"............ Wrong! The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is trying to prevent needless death and disease that can be eradicated by vaccinations. Their support of Family Planning can hardly be characterized as depopulation.; December 10, 2013 at 3:14 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Here's a question"............ And your question was?; December 10, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Anonymous said...: watch the youtube video:

"United Nations/NWO Plan to Depopulate the Earth"

I think that's the one.

At the end, gates is speaking about the depopulation plans he has.

he is standing there saying it himself.; December 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 4:20 PM

"watch the youtube video:

'United Nations/NWO Plan to Depopulate the Earth'

I think that's the one.

At the end, gates is speaking about the depopulation plans he has.

he is standing there saying it himself."

More garbage from the fabricator alligator uncorroborator.; December 10, 2013 at 4:35 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "United Nations/NWO Plan to Depopulate the Earth"......... Seems like the kind of paranoia about the UN, with the acquiescence of President Obama, that many of the extreme American "right wing" crazies spout; the so called "Black Helicopter Crowd". They are the same people who think a major problem in the U.S. is black on white racism. Pack your assault weapons at all times.; December 10, 2013 at 4:54 PM
Anonymous said...: kenny cry baby, questions are usually sentences that end in question marks. You know…..these…."??" suggest you re-read the post and look for the little ? marks. those are the questions, cut-n-paste boy; December 10, 2013 at 5:00 PM
Anonymous said...: did you even watch the video?

or listen to what gates was saying?

i know, let's go ask duke, they'll tell us the truth; December 10, 2013 at 5:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 10, 2013 at 5:26 PM

"did you even watch the video?

or listen to what gates was saying?

i know, let's go ask duke, they'll tell us the truth"

It's really getting to the fabricator alligator uncorroborator tha everyone recognizes him as a crank.; December 10, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Anonymous said...: When sidney harr, the racist old hack that he is, ASSUMED the man who beat to death a prison in a Raleigh jail was white…….THAT, kenny cry baby, was a clear-cut example of black on white racism. The victim was black, the guard…..assumed Harr…had to be white, of course…… but guess what, the man who beat the prisoner to death was black as the bottom of my shoe. Markeith Council is on trial now for killing the prisoner…… of course, there's no black on white racism, of course not……right; December 10, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"They are the same people who think a major problem in the U.S. is black on white racism. Pack your assault weapons at all times."

Tawana Brasley falsely accuses white men of raping her. Race baiter aluses this as an excuse to stir up black animosity against white people. He stirs up black on white animosity in Crown Heights.

Crystal falsely accused three white men of raping her. Corrupt DA NIFONG used the false accusations to stir up black animosity against white people as a ploy to get black people to vote for him.

A black criminal gang brutally murders Channon Christian and Chris Newsome.

Following the acquittal of George Zimmerman, there is a spate of racially motivated attacks on white people by black people.

But KENHYDERAL heard from some academic sociologists, black on white racism does not exist. Ergo he must believe that none of those incidents ever happened.

Meanwhile, because a jury would not disregard the facts and give his murderess a pass for her crime, she is a victim of white on black racism.; December 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Ms. Mangum was used in the lacrosse case as much or more than the lacrosse players, don't you know.

And that wasn't for the benefit of Nifong's election, since he was set in the DA's office by the governor on the condition or understanding that he didn't run for permanent office, only that he act as an interim DA between elections.

It was obviously for the benefit of election purposes though in huge degree. Sad that politics and the affairs of state are the way they are these days. Hard to watch. Must be kinda what it felt like in Europe before major wars ... perhaps ... well 'we' can still protest ... sorta ... as long as it's not at the legislature apparently ... but ...

I wonder what a democratic legislature would have done to a bunch of protesting republicans instead of what is seen today with republicans against democrats; December 10, 2013 at 6:45 PM
KHF Supporter said...: Kenny whines:

Anonymous said: You can whine as much as you want that Daye started the confrontation and nothing else matters. The jury disagreed. Their opinion matters"................... "If the law supposes that then the law is an ass" (Dickens/Oliver Twist)

In order to claim self defense, a person must reasonably believe that they are threatened with death or bodily harm. However, once the threat has passed (as when the initial aggressor has retreated), self defense is no longer available.

If Daye had retreated by ending the initial confrontation, leaving the bedroom and beginning to leave the apartment (as his statement and physical evidence supports), Mangum was arguably no longer threatened with death or injury, and self-defense was no longer available. If she pursued him, she became the aggressor.

If she stabbed him as he was leaving the apartment, Mangum's actions are no more justified than Shan Carter was when he fired shots in a busy street at a retreating Baker. Carter did not kill Demetrius Greene in self-defense.

The jury apparently accepted this sequence of events. Their opinion matters; yours is irrelevant.

No, Kenny, in this instance the law is not an ass.

However, when one refuses to engage in honest debate...; December 10, 2013 at 7:16 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey aligator, Mike Nifong DID run for election after being appointed to replace Jim Hardin.... Nifong won the Democratic primary in May 2006 (funny how the date coincides with the LAX case)...He was actually behind in the polls ( Freda Black was the frontrunner) until the LAX case.

Nifong's use of CGM was entirely for his benefit and his hope to remain in office until retirement.; December 10, 2013 at 7:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal --- I believe our alligator is, if registered to vote at all, a registered democrat.; December 10, 2013 at 7:31 PM
Anonymous said...: I know he did run for the office - but then again wasn't the LAX case still an ongoing issue at the time of the election? However, the papers mentioned that the governor did not expect him to run for the office when he placed him as an interim DA. Why, I do not know.

Anyway, the duke lacrosse players can't sue duke and hold them liable and also hold Ms. Mangum liable at the same time. And they didn't. So why do you?; December 10, 2013 at 7:50 PM
Anonymous said...: When I see someone I want to vote for - I will.; December 10, 2013 at 7:53 PM
A Lawyer said...: I believe our alligator is, if registered to vote at all, a registered democrat.

So am I; that's nothing to hold against the uncorroborator-alligator-fabricator.

Flunking remedial English, on the other hand, is something that should be criticized.; December 10, 2013 at 8:17 PM
A Lawyer said...: Anyway, the duke lacrosse players can't sue duke and hold them liable and also hold Ms. Mangum liable at the same time.

Why not? The false accusation by Mangum and the due process deprivations by Duke were independent torts.

And they didn't.

Because she was and is judgment-proof.

So why do you?

It's not cost-effective to sue someone who doesn't have the means to pay you if they lose the case, but it costs nothing to call out malefactors on a public internet forum.; December 10, 2013 at 8:21 PM
Anonymous said...: i think it does cost something to continually abuse her actually

it doesn't do duke any good - that is for sure; December 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM
kenhyderal said...: KHF Supporter said: "The jury apparently accepted this sequence of events"........ After Daye kicked down the bathroom door to get Crystal and drag her out; he then, fearing for his life,tried to flee?? Yeah, sure. When the jury bought that scenario, then the jury was asinine.; December 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM
Anonymous said...: my english classes leaned heavily towards the creative rather than the mundane ... perhaps you need to take remedial non-critiziation classes yourself ... perhaps we all should

ok

starting now

everytime before you send a post sing to yourself (I actually thought about this earlier today I don't know why)

this little heart of mine
i'm gonna let it shine

ok ... go; December 10, 2013 at 9:21 PM
Anonymous said...: The Welch case law needs to be changed Walt. It gives hospitals the right to kill whatever crime victim they desire for whatever reason with no penalty of criminal responsibility whatsoever, and with the undue ability to thus frame another.

This case shows plainly that this over abundance of power and control over others is too tempting to not pose the possibility of being exploited by some in the medical professions, and, especially as is still to be determined by due process of law and justice in this case, by duke.

So essentially, if this case is retryed on the merits of the 'true entire' case, and a different verdict is reached, (or whatever verdict is reached), this case would then become new case law for cases similar in nature to this case in its 'true entirety'.

As this case stands now, is there a reason for a different case law to have been established based upon the non trial coverage of evidence and testimony by the doctors involved in this case?; December 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM
KHF Supporter said...: Kenny whines: When the jury bought that scenario, then the jury was asinine.

Perhaps. You do yourself a disservice when you overstate your case. No one suggested Daye was leaving in fear of his life.

Mangum made a terrible witness. She came across as untruthful. She destroyed all her credibility. That the jury reached a decision to discount her testimony is understandable.

When you insist that one must accept every one of Mangum's statements as true (unless a specific statement is proven that it cannot possibly be true), you are asinine.; December 11, 2013 at 3:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Mangum is a convicted murderer. Period. Who gives a damn what you think, cry baby; December 11, 2013 at 6:25 AM
Anonymous said...: "my english classes leaned heavily towards the creative rather than the mundane ... perhaps you need to take remedial non-critiziation...."

Using words like "allegate" and "critiziation" aren't signs of creativity...It's a sign of a lack of intelligence.

Do you know that when the "leave a comment" section underlines in red a word, that's an indication that the word may be misspelled?; December 11, 2013 at 6:41 AM
Anonymous said...: A Lawyer - Kenhyderal stated something about "American right-wing crazies".

I was simply pointing out that the drivel our alligator was posting about the "gates depopulation program" wasn't tied to any political party.; December 11, 2013 at 6:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Hey, folks, mark your calendars! Remember....Sidney-the-scammer says that he is going to set Mangum free January, 2014. That's less than a month away..........so hold on to your wallets, Johns......Sister is gonna be back in business soon; December 11, 2013 at 6:54 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 11:03 PM wrote: "The Welch case law needs to be changed Walt. It gives hospitals the right to kill whatever crime victim they desire for whatever reason with no penalty of criminal responsibility whatsoever, and with the undue ability to thus frame another."

No, it does not. The Welch and Holesclaw line of cases deal with medical malpractice and voluntary decisions to terminate medical treatment. They specifically recognize the common law doctrine of intervening cause. They simply say that medical malpractice is not an intervening cause. That is because medical malpractice is not done intentionally. (Keep in mind there is no evidence of medical malpractice in the Mangum case.) Murder by a physician or some other medical provider would be an intervening cause. Just as would be a murder by someone detonating a bomb in the prison hospital wing. The issue in the Mangum case is a complete and total lack of evidence to support the theory of an intervening murder of Daye. No matter how much you dislike Duke University, that is not evidence of murder.

"This case shows plainly that this over abundance of power and control over others is too tempting to not pose the possibility of being exploited by some in the medical professions,..."

Therein is your argument. You don't like medical professionals having the power of providing medical services. That does not prove that the medical professionals in this case abused that power. There is no evidence that they did.

"So essentially, if this case is retryed on the merits of the 'true entire' case, and a different verdict is reached, (or whatever verdict is reached), this case would then become new case law for cases similar in nature to this case in its 'true entirety'."

This case was tried on the merits and the entire case was presented. Four very skilled defense lawyers investigated this case. They obtained an independent medical review of the medical treatment in this case. The IME (independent medical examiner) and the Medical Examiner agreed on the cause of death. Sid breached the attorney client confidentiality and posted Daye's medical record. The medical record disclosed nothing to lead anyone but Sid to conclude that this was not a simple death as a result of a stab wound. Sid could have offered his services to Crystal as an "expert" witness. I suspect he could not have qualified, but I will leave it that no good lawyer was willing to put any stock in what he said. I certainly would not. I cannot see anything in what Sid wrote that would cause me to reach any conclusion other than Daye died as a result of a stab wound infliced by Crystal Mangum.

"As this case stands now, is there a reason for a different case law to have been established based upon the non trial coverage of evidence and testimony by the doctors involved in this case?"

No.

Walt-in-Durham; December 11, 2013 at 6:58 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"After Daye kicked down the bathroom door to get Crystal and drag her out; he then, fearing for his life,tried to flee?? Yeah, sure. When the jury bought that scenario, then the jury was asinine."

The evidence was that Crystal was not assaulted and Reginald Daye was. You want the facts dismissed so your favorite murderess can get a pass.; December 11, 2013 at 7:03 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

"The Welch case law needs to be changed Walt. It gives hospitals the right to kill whatever crime victim they desire for whatever reason with no penalty of criminal responsibility whatsoever, and with the undue ability to thus frame another."

It does not.

"This case shows plainly that this over abundance of power and control over others is too tempting to not pose the possibility of being exploited by some in the medical professions, and, especially as is still to be determined by due process of law and justice in this case, by duke."

It does not.

"So essentially, if this case is retryed on the merits of the 'true entire' case, and a different verdict is reached, (or whatever verdict is reached), this case would then become new case law for cases similar in nature to this case in its 'true entirety'."

The case was already tried(not tryed) on the merits. There was no merit to the allegation that Duke killed Reginald Daye.

"As this case stands now, is there a reason for a different case law to have been established based upon the non trial coverage of evidence and testimony by the doctors involved in this case?"

No. all relevant evidence was presented at the trial. If someone else killed Reginald Daye, it was the defense's duty to present it. They had no evidence to present.; December 11, 2013 at 7:08 AM
Anonymous said...: i don't see any red underlines

i do know spelling is a sign of intelligence - that is why i am a practicing here sans spellcheck - to build up my spelling - and hopefully my intelligence - ya just never know ... and anyway - ya'll don't seem to mind giving spelling lessons - so - hey; December 11, 2013 at 7:48 AM
Anonymous said...: I have a hard time buying into the 'because we're duke and we say so' point of rightness about judicial cases and / or medical advice at this time - not without explanation that I can clearly understand and agree with.

I know that is the typical 'push' for duke, but i'm not able to buy it any more.; December 11, 2013 at 8:02 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 11, 2013 at 7:48 AM

"i don't see any red underlines

i do know spelling is a sign of intelligence - that is why i am a practicing here sans spellcheck - to build up my spelling - and hopefully my intelligence - ya just never know ... and anyway - ya'll don't seem to mind giving spelling lessons - so - hey"

Presuming a fact not in evidence, that you are intelligent.; December 11, 2013 at 8:35 AM
Anonymous said...: well i checked back in hopes to find ya'll a shinein', just to make my day

but

i was smart enough to know that might not be so

so

hey that's ok

that's why i want duke to explain themselves so i can understand them

What exact law and/or case law gives a patient or representative or - as in Ms. Mangum's case, a defendant - the right to understand fully the medical records and procedures relavant to their ability to make informed decisions about their own cases, health treatment, etc.? Is that covered precisely as law in NC statutes, or do you have to find all the laws that apply in another source that is recognized as law by the courts?; December 11, 2013 at 9:28 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 11, 2013 at 9:28 AM

"well i checked back in hopes to find ya'll a shinein', just to make my day

but

i was smart enough to know that might not be so

so

hey that's ok

that's why i want duke to explain themselves so i can understand them

What exact law and/or case law gives a patient or representative or - as in Ms. Mangum's case, a defendant - the right to understand fully the medical records and procedures relavant to their ability to make informed decisions about their own cases, health treatment, etc.? Is that covered precisely as law in NC statutes, or do you have to find all the laws that apply in another source that is recognized as law by the courts?"

You presume another fact not in evidence, that you are capable of understanding something.; December 11, 2013 at 9:32 AM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said: "Daye died as a result of a stab wound infliced by Crystal Mangum" ............. The stab wound was incidental. He died as a result of treatment for delirium tremens, in itself, a life threatening condition. This treatment commenced based on the exhibited symptoms and on Daye's extreme blood alcohol reading, recorded on admission. A post surgical infection was considered as a possible differential diagnosis but nothing to specifically indicate that was ever uncovered and no specific antibiotic treatment was ever initiated. The maximum charge that Crystal should ever have faced was wounding with intent. Saint Reggie the guy who liked to throw knives, the guy who owned brass-knuckles, the guy who kicked in a bathroom door, the guy who dragged a woman by her hair, the guy who was larger, angrier and drunker is not likely to be the one who was the victim. Common sense should tell any jury that. Inconsistences in testimony about time and space, while a struggle was going on, in a small apartment, are total "red-herrings". Every witness, who knew Daye, admitted he liked to drink. None of them were ever questioned, under oath, about the volume of his intake. The cause of Reginald Daye's death was most likely delirium tremens.; December 11, 2013 at 10:25 AM
Anonymous said...: She stabbed him. He died. Read the autopsy report.; December 11, 2013 at 11:00 AM
Anonymous said...: This web site has devolved into a wingnut ranting about Duke, hissy boy whining about a convicted murderer, and sidney harr babbling his racist nonsense.
It never had any substance before, so it's no big loss......at least before it was funny. Now, it's just crap; December 11, 2013 at 11:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny:

It is against the law to stab a man who is retreating from his own home. Even if he is drunk. If the man dies from complications directly arising from the stab wounds, it is murder.

The physical evidence conclusively showed that Mr. Daye was retreating when he was stabbed. The medical evidence conclusively showed that he died as a result of complications from the stab wound. Ms. Mangum was unable to present any credible evidence to disputethese facts.

This is what is commonly known as an open and shut case. It wasn't a hard case for the DA to present and it didn't take long for the jury to sift thru the evidence and reach a unanimous verdict. There really wasn't much of a defense.; December 11, 2013 at 12:04 PM
A Lawyer said...: I have a hard time buying into the 'because we're duke and we say so' point of rightness about judicial cases

What does Duke have to do with judicial cases? Your comment makes zero sens e to me.; December 11, 2013 at 12:17 PM
Anonymous said...: "not without explanation that I can clearly understand and agree with"

I doubt anyone anywhere is able to provide the kind of explanation you're looking for.; December 11, 2013 at 12:56 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
You're right, Cstilina died in battle. The fact is that, after his first rebellion, Cicero (using his consular powers) had him sentenced without a trial. This caused Catilina to start his second rebellion, in which he died. The point is that Cicero abused his powers, and this led to Catilina's death.
As to Catilina being a traitor, that was Cicero's claim. Since there was ne4ver a trial, there is some doubt about that. P{eople generally accept Cicero's version of the events.; December 11, 2013 at 1:01 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"The stab wound was incidental."

No it wasn't.It was the cause of death.

"He died as a result of treatment for delirium tremens, in itself, a life threatening condition."

No he didn't.

"This treatment commenced based on the exhibited symptoms and on Daye's extreme blood alcohol reading, recorded on admission. A post surgical infection was considered as a possible differential diagnosis but nothing to specifically indicate that was ever uncovered and no specific antibiotic treatment was ever initiated."

You show how stupid and uninformed you are. The stab wound injured the stomach an colon which set him up for infection.

"The maximum charge that Crystal should ever have faced was wounding with intent. Saint Reggie the guy who liked to throw knives, the guy who owned brass-knuckles, the guy who kicked in a bathroom door, the guy who dragged a woman by her hair, the guy who was larger, angrier and drunker is not likely to be the one who was the victim."

Who said he owned brass knuckles? Crystal, who has a history of lying? Did the defense ever produce the brass knuckles.

"Common sense should tell any jury that. Inconsistences in testimony about time and space, while a struggle was going on, in a small apartment, are total 'red-herrings'."

No they are not.

"Every witness, who knew Daye, admitted he liked to drink. None of them were ever questioned, under oath, about the volume of his intake."

Lie. The only one who said Reginald Daye drank heavily was Crystal the liar.

"The cause of Reginald Daye's death was most likely delirium tremens."

No it wasn't.

You have advanced. Not only do you want facts dismissed so that your favorite murderess can get a pass. You pass off uncorroborated allegations as facts.

What can one expect from someone who thinks a piece of hearsay from a non existent source is credible evidence that Crystal was raped.; December 11, 2013 at 1:14 PM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "The stab wound was incidental."

Not according to the evidence.

"He died as a result of treatment for delirium tremens, in itself, a life threatening condition."

Not according to the evidence.

You may wish the facts to be otherwise, but, your wishes are not evidence and they are not facts. Reginald Daye died as the result of a stab wound inflicted by Crystal Mangum. Twelve citizens good and true saw the evidence, saw and heard the witnesses. That decision is now finalized.

Walt-in-Durham; December 11, 2013 at 2:38 PM
Anonymous said...: A bit of logic seems missing in the scenerio where someone can attack someone in their own home as first assualt in an argument, and then when the person who has been attacked reacts in self-defense - and perhaps the person who just assualted them retreats while they are defending themself because of the assualt - which would be the intent of self-defense to begin with - that the first person to assualt is more right than the person who had to self-defend to get the first assualter to back off (even if the person person who assualts retreats while being self-defended against).; December 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 11, 2013 at 4:16 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: The only one who said Reginald Daye drank heavily was Crystal the liar"........ Crystal spoke the truth. The extremely elevated blood alcohol reading on his admission proved that. The other hostile witnesses, questioned on the subject, couched their testimony in equivocalness, vagueness and ambiguity hoping to conceal what they knew to be true that Day was a chronic abuser of alcohol; December 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM
kenhyderal said...: A slight correction to Anonymous Poster @ 4:03PM..... Daye was the home owner. Remember, though, that Crystal was wanting to leave. Daye, in his statement at the hospital to Officer Bond, stated that he wanted to prevent her from leaving because he feared for her safety going out so late. This is what he said but jealousy at her calling for a friend to come and get her is the more likely explanation; December 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Crystal spoke the truth. The extremely elevated blood alcohol reading on his admission proved that. The other hostile witnesses, questioned on the subject, couched their testimony in equivocalness, vagueness and ambiguity hoping to conceal what they knew to be true that Day was a chronic abuser of alcohol"

Which is another iteration of disregard the facts so your favorite murderess can get a pass for her crimes.; December 11, 2013 at 4:58 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Daye was the home owner. Remember, though, that Crystal was wanting to leave. Daye, in his statement at the hospital to Officer Bond, stated that he wanted to prevent her from leaving because he feared for her safety going out so late. This is what he said but jealousy at her calling for a friend to come and get her is the more likely explanation".

No it isn't. It is more of an attemt on the part of Crystal to institute personal posterior camouflage upon learningshe was facing a charge of murder 1.; December 11, 2013 at 5:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Ms. Mangum could have just said she was going out to have an excuse to get away from Mr. Daye because he was so drunk and she was in fear for her safety from him, when she was really only going to go to where her children were to be safe and keep them safe.

Mr. Daye could have misunderstood what she said - or conveyed what she said in a way in which his description of events were conveyed as they were in court - but that does necessarily mean that is what was said or the intention of what he thought was said.

There is too much room for personal perceptions and understandings and 'political pressure' to be applied to what Mr. Daye said happened to make the recounting of his hospital interviews in the court, (as it was done with a second-hand recounting of events based on the interviews given in the hospital while he was not well and in pain and medicated, etc., and which were not recorded for 'first-hand' testimony) actual fact or undisputable evidence of what occurred that night.; December 11, 2013 at 5:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Going to prison is just part of being black.; December 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM
A Lawyer said...: What exact law and/or case law gives a patient or representative or - as in Ms. Mangum's case, a defendant - the right to understand fully the medical records and procedures relavant to their ability to make informed decisions about their own cases, health treatment, etc.? Is that covered precisely as law in NC statutes, or do you have to find all the laws that apply in another source that is recognized as law by the courts?

Anon. @ 9:28 AM: You have jumbled up a whole batch of very different questions in two convoluted sentences. Hospital patients have certain rights to get information about their treatment. A patient's "representatives" may or may not have the same rights-- are you asking about a patient's parent? Another relative? The patient's lawyer? Their "lay advocate"? I don't know what you mean by "representative."

A criminal defendant who has been charged with killing someone who was treated at a hospital has certain discovery rights, but they are nothing like the patient's rights, and are governed by a very different body of law.

Your second sentence seems to be asking where you would look up these rights. That is a very complex area; the answers may include state statutes, federal statutes, administrative regulations (federal and state), court decisions (federal and state) and more.

If you want to ask a question that I could answer, you will have to try thinking more clearly about exactly what it is that you want to know, and then asking it more clearly, ideally in a short question with perhaps one or two nouns and one verb.; December 11, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Anonymous said...: What are the exact:

a. state
b. federal
c. administractive
d any other specific legal identity that applies

statutes, laws, and case law

that apply to and give legal rights to patients in NC, especially concerning the understanding of medical records, procedures, and practices before and after any treatment is given?

What are they for defendants in criminal and civil cases in NC concerning plaintiff medical records and the right to understand them clearly for the purpose of a trial and to assist in legal defense?; December 12, 2013 at 12:42 AM
Anonymous said...: If the lacrosse players prevail in their lawsuit against the durham PD for the faulty line-up, etc. - then isn't Ms. Mangum and her family also eligible for the same civil releif from having been treated that way as well?

She was as much a victim to the DPD's investigative techniques and practices in the lacrosse case as were the duke players, even more so in many ways.

In addition, can the public also sue on grounds of intentional and malicious emotional and psychological abuse brought on by the outrageous manner in which that case was publicized and is dealt with in the community and in professional settings that negatively effect the lives of many to this day brought about because of the faulty techniques of the DPD?; December 12, 2013 at 1:23 AM
Anonymous said...: Walt, yes I do dislike Duke.

But just because I dislike Duke because of what they do and how they do it, doesn't mean that what Duke is doing is right that is harming so many, (including themselves).

That's crazy and prejudical to dislike someone because they dislike duke for what they are doing that is harming so many. You are no more immune than anyone else.; December 12, 2013 at 2:07 AM
Anonymous said...: How do you legally and productively ask the Durham Police Department, (and Durham sherrifs office), exactly what all their connections and conflicts of interest are with the Duke administration and the Duke Police Department?

How do you legally and productively ask Duke administration and the Duke Police Department exactly what their connections and conflicts of interest are with the Durham Police Department and Durham sherrifs office?; December 12, 2013 at 2:26 AM
Anonymous said...: As an example of dislike in this case Walt:

democrats vs. republicans

or

religion

the example:

a family at thanskgiving that sits down together to break bread and to give thanks in traditional thanskgiving ways.

The general well known rule is you do not discuss politics nor religion in general in American families during these times, because all have the same right to their opinions, thoughts, and decisions on those matters in the USA.

The same could apply to Duke in this case, as a lot of what they do wrong is political and borders on the religious morality and ethics of health care practices and procedures (as well as very real religious, political, and societal influences caused by duke who uses religion, politics, and health services practices and procedures as their tools that they so deftly weild in the mix of what they do that could be deemed as wrong and harmful to many).

It is the same thing here in discussing a dislike of Duke of course, but you also have the added power and energy of money, political influence, and sports of all things to fuel potential conflicts that are normally avoided unless Duke is involved.

There seems to be a loss of understanding of that basis of human societal interaction morality and ethics rules that is the root of modern civilized society when it pertains to Duke and Ms. Mangum.

Why is that?

What is Duke's position on this matter?

Is Duke's position a unified one?

If it is unified, how do they possibly achieve that in a normal society with a variety of opinions and decisions that is the norm of USA society?

I dislike Duke because of this issue discussed above, and all other issues of harm or conflict that they cause, because they also provide life saving health services.

Since all might have a need to benefit from that - to make their health services a potential for this undue political or religious or judicial conflict - is unfair, prejudicial, and carries the heavy risk of death and disablement that is legally unlawful for Duke to impose on any citizen of the USA.; December 12, 2013 at 3:20 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 12:42 AM wrote: "What are the exact:

a. state
b. federal
c. administractive
d any other specific legal identity that applies

statutes, laws, and case law

that apply to and give legal rights to patients in NC, especially concerning the understanding of medical records, procedures, and practices before and after any treatment is given?"

The executive, legislative and judicial branches of the United States, and the several states. Try being a little more specific. One subject, one verb and one punctuation mark.

"What are they for defendants in criminal and civil cases in NC concerning plaintiff medical records and the right to understand them clearly for the purpose of a trial and to assist in legal defense?"

You are asking for a legal education. Trained people called lawyers do this sort of thing for criminal defendants and for the state. In general, North Carolina has what is called open file discovery. That rather vague concept means the defense gets access to all the evidence in the state's file.

As far as understanding the evidence, the defendant is entitled to the assistance of an expert in cases where the state may present expert testimony. Under our North Carolina jurisprudence, we look to the Sixth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Sections 19 and 23 N.C.G.S. § 7A-450(b) and § 7A-454 and Ake v. Oklahoma, 470 U.S. 68, 84 L.Ed. 2d. 53 (1985), to provide the basis for a defendant's right to expert assistance.

Walt-in-Durham; December 12, 2013 at 6:22 AM
Walt said...: I meant to say Ariticle I, Sections 18 and 23 of the Contstitution of North Carolina.

Walt-in-Durham; December 12, 2013 at 6:26 AM
Anonymous said...: ok walt and a lawyer

i'll be specific

why won't you share the information i've asked for that everyone could use a knowledge of instead of being an abusive bully about the question?

what gives?

it's not a english question.
it's a legal question about patients rights - all of them

what's ya'lls problem?
you think you or others are never going to get sick and be a patient?

or is it because it's about duke?

eh?; December 12, 2013 at 6:27 AM
Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "why won't you share the information i've asked for that everyone could use a knowledge of instead of being an abusive bully about the question"

In Walt and A Lawyer's defense, no one here can understand the questions you are asking. When we ask for some clarity, all we get is comments about being bullied.

Here's a simple questions for you --

When you have a question at work (assuming you have a job), do you ask them in the same manner?; December 12, 2013 at 6:47 AM
Anonymous said...: That's because the questions are easily understood - they just won't answer them.

If you and they want to play this little english - oh poor us we require perfect english on questions we don't want to answer for some reason - then please - explain exactly what you do not understand about my questions about patients' rights.

It is quite obvious ya'll get your jollys from bullying on these blogs - get real. It only makes duke look and seem worse btw.

Thanks; December 12, 2013 at 7:00 AM
Anonymous said...: The thing is - about duke - the attitudes and bullying and belittlement and disregard for civil rights and deliberate misunderstandings in order to abuse, neglect, and/or bully - all those behaviors ... you get them as a patient and patient representatives at duke.

Another reason I dislike Duke so much.

I am not the only one living in a very large community that supports the capital of NC and all its citizens, and which is noted as being a community that helps to give duke the honor of holding one of lowest ratings for town-gown relationships in the nation, that have the same concerns, dislikes, questions, and mistrust of Duke.

To be bashed for holding legitamate concerns about Duke by ya'll or anyone else is part of the evil that is Duke (to me and many others).; December 12, 2013 at 7:30 AM
Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Anonymous -- Here's an example of why you need to provide more clarity to your questions. You asked:

"What are the exact:

a. state
b. federal
c. administractive[sic]
d any other specific legal identity that applies

statutes, laws, and case law..."

Now, are you asking "what are the legal entities that apply statutes, laws, and case law..." or are you asking "what specific statutes, laws, and case law...apply to and give legal rights to patients in NC"

I really can't tell.; December 12, 2013 at 7:46 AM
A Lawyer said...: why won't you share the information i've asked for that everyone could use a knowledge of instead of being an abusive bully about the question?

what gives?

it's not a english question.
it's a legal question about patients rights - all of them

Because, as I stated, I don't know what you're asking-- you asked, in one sentence, about the rights of patients, patients' representatives, and criminal defendants. That's like asking "what are the rules of basketball, touch football and lacrosse as to a batter hit by a pitch?"; December 12, 2013 at 8:58 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT.

I spent the last couple of weeks working on the official j4n Christmas card and just completed it hours ago. Next I will be working on my lawsuit... have a few briefs to file. So it may be a while before my next flog is available. But be aware that it will cover the so-called Mangum trial in great detail.

My Christmas card will be posted in several days or so.

As you were.; December 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM
Anonymous said...: What are the main documents that a lawyer refers to when they have to provide legal answers and arguments for a case involving patient's rights to have full knowledge of any and all procedures and practices to be performed on them or that effects them in any way that they understand and can consent to before and after any treatment, practice, or procedure is given to or received by them in a hospital setting such as duke's?

Is there a main reference that lawyers use to answer health service questions? What are they?
Is there a specific book about health service laws that lawyers refer to?; December 12, 2013 at 9:11 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT."

Another iteration of, Hey everybody pay attention to me.

"I spent the last couple of weeks working on the official j4n Christmas card and just completed it hours ago."

A waste of time and effort.

"Next I will be working on my lawsuit... have a few briefs to file. So it may be a while before my next flog is available."

Sounds to me like you are working to get your briefs in a knot, to get yourself found in contempt.

"But be aware that it will cover the so-called Mangum trial in great detail."

Meaning SIDNEY will be trying to distort the Mangum trial in great detail.

"My Christmas card will be posted in several days or so."

Please make it as many several days or so as you can.

"As you were."

We will be amused and disgusted as always.; December 12, 2013 at 9:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Meaning you will get your jolly's bullying and trolling Dr. Harr on his own blog as usual - even about a christmas card.

Why exactly do you act this way on this blog continuously about Dr. Harr? Is there a specific purpose?; December 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM:

"Meaning you will get your jolly's bullying and trolling Dr. Harr on his own blog as usual - even about a christmas card.

Why exactly do you act this way on this blog continuously about Dr. Harr? Is there a specific purpose?"

More impotent name calling from the fabricator alligator uncorroborator.; December 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 9:11 AM wrote: "Is there a main reference that lawyers use to answer health service questions? What are they?"

I refer to the standard practice series.

"Is there a specific book about health service laws that lawyers refer to?"

Yes. I use a subscription service to Lexis/Nexis and I have a subscription to Westlaw. Others may use a different service and I suspect there are still some horn books that are kept up to date.

Walt-in-Durham; December 12, 2013 at 10:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM:

If you think SIDNEY has been preaching peace on earth, good will to men, you are delusioned.; December 12, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...: I haven't seen him preaching anything actually. You don't have to preach to give out Christmas Cards. Some of them are even about a jolly ol' man and elves and reindeers with red noses, go figure.; December 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 2:26 AM wrote: "How do you legally and productively ask the Durham Police Department, (and Durham sherrifs office), exactly what all their connections and conflicts of interest are with the Duke administration and the Duke Police Department?...."

We have gone over this before. But, I know how poorly Sid's blog is indexed, so I'll give a very brief answer, it depends on the context. For example, if you are in litigation, you can conduct discovery to find out about conflicts of interest. However, you would have to be able to show the conflict would itself be admissible evidence, or lead to admissible evidence. If you have a witness on the stand, you can ask about conflicts of interest. If you suspect an opposing lawyer has a conflict, you simply ask your client, "has opposing counsel ever done any work for you?" If they say yes, you go farther with the client to determine what sort of work and when it was done. At some point, if an opposing counsel appears to have a conflict, you can write him or her and ask him to remove himself from the case. Failing that, file a greivance or a motion to disqualify. Most lawyers take their conflict obligations seriously and it rarely comes to that.

Walt-in-Durham; December 12, 2013 at 11:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 12, 2013 at 11:05 AM

"I haven't seen him preaching anything actually. You don't have to preach to give out Christmas Cards. Some of them are even about a jolly ol' man and elves and reindeers with red noses, go figure."

Christmas is not about "a jolly ol' man and elves and reindeers with red noses" but about the Man born in Bethlehem an who lived in Nazareth. SIDNEY calls himself a follower of the Man from Nazareth, but does preach that innocent men falsely accused of a crime bt a black woman should be presumed guilty, that murders who are black should get passes for their crimes.

I say again, what he advocates is not Peace on Earth, good will to men.; December 12, 2013 at 11:23 AM
Anonymous said...: ok, well i'm not going to argue with you about what christmas is about

but if his card is full of good will and peace towards fellow man and you degrade him for it - then was does that say about you?

Walt, thank you for your answers. Complicated to say the least. Do you have specific web sites that you use as a lawyer to obtain these legal informations, or do you have to go to a legal library or the court to do legal research for every case?; December 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM:

"ok, well i'm not going to argue with you about what christmas is about

but if his card is full of good will and peace towards fellow man and you degrade him for it - then was does that say about you?

Walt, thank you for your answers. Complicated to say the least. Do you have specific web sites that you use as a lawyer to obtain these legal informations, or do you have to go to a legal library or the court to do legal research for every case?"

So what if he publishes such a card. His blog is so full of hatred and animosity towards he does not like, such a card would be hypocrisy.

Or do you think it is peace on earth good will to men to blog that innocent, falsely accused men are not innocent?; December 12, 2013 at 12:05 PM
Anonymous said...: So does he continue to say that?

I haven't seen it.

I've seen him say Mr. Cooper didn't do things right from a legal perspective when he stated his opinion that they were innocent, which seems to be true from a legal standpoint from what i've seen.

I've seen your continued animosity against him and Ms. Mangum because of the lacrosse case. And me because I dislike duke for valid reasons because of the harm they have caused, including to themselves, the lacrosse players, the citizens of NC, the USA, and the world, and Ms. Mangum, which i've explained as well as i could and more than i needed to that is for sure.; December 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM
A Lawyer said...: why won't you share the information i've asked for that everyone could use a knowledge of instead of being an abusive bully about the question?

what gives?

it's not a english question.
it's a legal question about patients rights - all of them

It's not "bullying" to explain that (a) because of your poor English usage, I don't really know exactly what you're asking, and (b) certain fields of law are very complex and don't lend themselves to one-sentence answers.; December 12, 2013 at 1:22 PM
A Lawyer said...: its a legal question about patients rights all of them

Do you think "all of patients' rights" can be summarized in one post?

You could start here:

http://www.amazon.com/Rights-Patients-Authoritative-American-Liberties/dp/0814705030/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1386883469&sr=1-3&keywords=patients+rights; December 12, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 11:34 AM wrote: "Walt, thank you for your answers. Complicated to say the least. Do you have specific web sites that you use as a lawyer to obtain these legal informations, or do you have to go to a legal library or the court to do legal research for every case?"

You are welcome. The answer, again, is it depends.

For example, in this case, I did consult my aging "Standard Surgical Practice" and my somewhat newer "Standard Emergency Medical Practice" books to give myself a background on what to expect from Duke. When it came to specific issues, since I an not a criminal defense lawyer, I had to hit the law library (which is located on my desk, via access to Lexus and Westlaw) to do some searching for case law and statutes. So, when the initial issue of intervening cause came up. I did have to look up the cases in NC. I went to law school in Indiana and spent a total of one year practicing with the Cuyahoga County, Ohio Public Defender's Office shortly after I graduated from law school. I am cognizant that most readers do not have access to Lexus/Nexus or Westlaw, so I provide citations that can be looked up in a public library. If worse comes to worse, someone can go to the NC courts website and wade through their awful collection of cases with the citation I give.

For actual cases, the answer is yes, even if I know the general area of law, I do a considerable amount of research up front before meeting with a client. That way I am ready to interview them. Once that first interview is done, I generally go back to the library (again fortunatey on my computer) and do more indepth research.

Again, using the Mangum case as an example, if I was appointed to represent her, I would have done my basic research on murder, manslaughter, assault and the felony murder rule. Knowing her drug seeking behavior from reports during the lacrosse case, I would have reviewed North Carolina's standards for competency and fitness to assist at trial before I met with her. After the initial interview, I would have refined and deepened my research. As it has been years since I was in criminal court, I probably would have picked up a copy of the D.A.'s manual to see how they were going to try the case and I would have busted out my copy of the DPD General Order Book to see what it said about these cases.

HTH

Walt-in-Durham; December 12, 2013 at 2:16 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous December 12, 2013 at 1:08 PM

"So does he continue to say that?

I haven't seen it."

That's because you are blind.

"I've seen him say Mr. Cooper didn't do things right from a legal perspective when he stated his opinion that they were innocent, which seems to be true from a legal standpoint from what i've seen."

M. Cooper investigated and found that no crime had happened which they could be guilty of. Why shouldn't he express his belief that they were innocent. From a legal perspective the Lacrosse players shuld not have been charged with a crime in the first place.

"I've seen your continued animosity against him and Ms. Mangum because of the lacrosse case. And me because I dislike duke for valid reasons because of the harm they have caused, including to themselves, the lacrosse players, the citizens of NC, the USA, and the world, and Ms. Mangum, which i've explained as well as i could and more than i needed to that is for sure."

You haven't explained anything.; December 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...: ok, Walt, thank you for the more in-depth answer. There is a great deal to learn and know and prepare for in criminal murder cases. I was surprised to see how unprepared the defense seemed in the trial, in that most of the lawyers questions were objected to, and he didn't seem to really question any of the witnesses in any great depth or detail.

However, Walt, if a patient wanted to know what their rights were to fully understand what a doctor is doing or planning to do, and how that will affect them before signing a consent, (and especially without signing a consent), where would they look to find their rights in a place that is easily available to all patients? Do you know? It's seems like a question every patient should know the answer to, yet most don't.; December 12, 2013 at 5:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Why did you think Meier was unprepared? I thought he did a competent job. His client did not give him much to work with.; December 12, 2013 at 5:39 PM
Lance the Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: The The Center for Consumer Information & Insurance Oversight has the Patient Bill of Rights posted here .; December 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 5:27: "There is a great deal to learn and know and prepare for in criminal murder cases."

Sidney disagrees. Because a fifth grader can prepare a murder defense, Sidney convinced Mangum to fire her attorney and defend herself. Do you think that advice was a mistake?; December 12, 2013 at 6:20 PM
A Lawyer said...: However, Walt, if a patient wanted to know what their rights were to fully understand what a doctor is doing or planning to do, and how that will affect them before signing a consent, (and especially without signing a consent), where would they look to find their rights in a place that is easily available to all patients? Do you know? It's seems like a question every patient should know the answer to, yet most don't.

See my post at 12:27 PM today.; December 12, 2013 at 6:47 PM

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