What exactly did you ask the new DA to do to help in Ms. Mangum's case?
If he has a position and a career to think about, then he ought best be doing his job regardless of the pbt's.
Your thoughts on that simple ray of enlightenment would be interesting to hear.
Unfortunately, in today's society, doing the right thing is not necessarily the best thing for one's career. That is evidenced by the persecution of Mike Nifong.
D.A. Echols is faced with a dilemma... do the right thing and work towards having the conviction of Mangum overturned, or ignore the fact that his prosecutors based their case against Mangum on a fraudulent autopsy report and only prevailed at verdict with help of the medical examiner committing perjury and the defense attorney keeping the jurors from knowing the truth about Reginald Daye's death... knowingly allowing an innocent woman to stay in prison for eighteen years.
Anonymous said... How did the new DA end up appointed by the governor anyway. Just a short while ago there were news articles about several candidates considering running for the position, including at least one with Duke affiliations. Then all of a sudden the governor is appointing the DA because he won the democratic primary and there were no other candidates to choose from when the last appointed interim DA retired again - so no election required.
Dosen't seem quite democratic, eh?
I don't see where the governor had a choice... as I am unaware of any challengers to Echols from the Republican or Democratic parties.
Anonymous said... Sid, you've proven you have no ability at reasoning or reading comprehension ... You still cling to debunked felony murder and inadmissible criminal records - it's no wonder you missed where Roberts discussed a known complication in regards to the intubation. Admit you are wrong sometimes - in particular on felony murder and the record and we may enlighten you some more - or refuse to admit you are wrong and prove you are a narcissistic ass who isn't worthy of enlightening because you will ignore it.
What I said I missed was where Dr. Roberts allegedly said that an esophageal intubation was not malpractice.
As far as admitting I'm wrong, I'm the first to do so if such is the case. As far as inadmissible evidence, I'm certain the prosecution in Mangum's trial got away with plenty of that... especially with her turncoat defense attorney remaining silent instead of objecting.
It is now his job to make sure his staff does their jobs right isn't it? Perhaps if you started a new blog identity and called it Citizen's Innocence Commission, and then approached him and the case again from this perspective he may get the comparison of justice in what is seen happening in his office he is now in charge of, and the justice system he is an integral part of?
Yes, the turncoat who objected to a lot of the evidence coming in. Clearly his fault any came in.
You are still an idiot, and I like how you keep deflecting.
You won't admit you were wrong about inadmissible evidence, you say "they probably did it too" but with no evidence. Whether or not they did it too, you were/are wrong about it, just as you are (though still refuse to admit it, and now say "well why then") about the Felony Murder.
They are right - there is nothing new in your letter - you've been spouting the same debunked crap for years, and ignore the fact that it has been shown to be wrong.
everyone here is following the same information, and most of what you say is just you trying to discredit everything not proDuke antiMangum regardless of what is said, what evidence or answers are given, and what the facts are
can you go back to printing your heading directory in all caps?
No, the problem is that when evidence is presented to Sid, even direct case law, he ignores it, and just repeats exactly what he said before. I'd be happy to learn if he would present additional evidence. But, remember, Dr. Roberts also concluded that the stab wound was a proximate cause. Sid's only response "clearly she's lying." That's not evidence.
And, the felony murder and criminal record are demonstrable facts that Sid is wrong about. So, again, that's not evidence.
This case was a self-defense case, Sid deluded Crystal and others to ignore self-defense and focus on some vast Duke conspiracy, much to her detriment. Had self-defense worked, nothing Duke did would have mattered.
Perhaps you will have time to watch some of the YouTube video interviews presented to the public on-line by the Real News Network. There is a new one now that features a discussion with Phil Donahue on the Real News Network about the media which may help you to understand this highly political environment of public information and misinformation:
Corporate Media is Destroying Democracy - Phil Donahue on Reality Asserts Itself (2/3)
I don't always agree with Mr. Donahue about things, but that may be because he still seems beholden to the information provided by the P-T-Bs, or in other words that he still seems to speak that which the ptbs say is reality without delving far enough below the facts to get to the actual truth, but that may just be his own coorporate conditioning.
In addition, there was an article in one of the local papers recently that criticized Governor McCory for demeaning the usefulness and desireability of college degrees for journalists, psychologists, ... libral arts degrees. I mention this here, because the paper ripped into him for criticizing their profession while at the same time correcting him on the reality of the numbers associated with the psychology profession and degrees in NC. So, like in your letter to the editor that you would like to get published in the local news, perhaps if you take the part out about the media, you may have more success.
I have always wondered how bad a letter to the editor must be before a newspaper won't publish it. Now, I know. Really - really - really bad. Filled with falsehoods, nonsense and outright contradictions. That's what it takes. Well done Sid, you wrote the worst letter on record.
Anonymous said... No, the problem is that when evidence is presented to Sid, even direct case law, he ignores it, and just repeats exactly what he said before. I'd be happy to learn if he would present additional evidence. But, remember, Dr. Roberts also concluded that the stab wound was a proximate cause. Sid's only response "clearly she's lying." That's not evidence.
And, the felony murder and criminal record are demonstrable facts that Sid is wrong about. So, again, that's not evidence.
This case was a self-defense case, Sid deluded Crystal and others to ignore self-defense and focus on some vast Duke conspiracy, much to her detriment. Had self-defense worked, nothing Duke did would have mattered.
Dr. Roberts is an intelligent lady, and we both know that she is lying with regards to the cause of Daye's death. As a medical expert she is charged with giving medical, not legal, reasoning for concluding the cause of death. She cannot, and she does not provide any nexus between the stab wound and Daye's brain death... the cause of his removal from life support.
She does deserve a little credit for admitting that the initial intubation was esophageal, but then she tried to mislead by suggesting that it was immediately recognized and that Daye was re-intubated prior to going into cardiac arrest. That's not what happened. When Daye went into cardiac arrest, he had been intubated only once... the initial esophageal intubation.
Anonymous said... So put Dr. Roberts' on the stand and question her about her findings and the law. She isn't judge and jury.
After that, question the Duke doctors and Dr. Nichols.
Other than that, justified doubt remains.
Another enlightened comment. That would've been the best way to assure that Mangum was acquitted, but her turncoat attorney used extreme pressure to force Mangum to relent about having Dr. Roberts involved in the trial. With proper direct examination, the entire credibility of Dr. Nichols' testimony could've been effectively impeached.
And, Dr. Nichols made no attempt to have a medical professional refute the statements made by the medical examiner.
Anonymous said... The Herald-Sun didn't publish your letter to the editor?
I feel shocked!
To be honest, I was not surprised. The entire mainstream media, including The Herald-Sun, has refused to report the truth about Daye's death and autopsy report... they have refused to editorialize about it, and I have never seen any letters to the editor about it.
Even though I was not shocked when the newspaper's editor refused my request for a guest column, I was shocked when he instead recommended that I submit a 250-word letter to the editor. Although I took his advice, and tried to water down the comments as much as possible, I must say that I was not shocked in the least when I finally learned that it would not be published.
The media is going to all extremes to keep the truth from the people.
Walt said... I have always wondered how bad a letter to the editor must be before a newspaper won't publish it. Now, I know. Really - really - really bad. Filled with falsehoods, nonsense and outright contradictions. That's what it takes. Well done Sid, you wrote the worst letter on record.
Walt-in-Durham
Hah, Walt. With a review like that, I know that it must've really been outstanding and on-target.
Perhaps you will have time to watch some of the YouTube video interviews presented to the public on-line by the Real News Network. There is a new one now that features a discussion with Phil Donahue on the Real News Network about the media which may help you to understand this highly political environment of public information and misinformation:
Corporate Media is Destroying Democracy - Phil Donahue on Reality Asserts Itself (2/3)
I don't always agree with Mr. Donahue about things, but that may be because he still seems beholden to the information provided by the P-T-Bs, or in other words that he still seems to speak that which the ptbs say is reality without delving far enough below the facts to get to the actual truth, but that may just be his own coorporate conditioning.
In addition, there was an article in one of the local papers recently that criticized Governor McCory for demeaning the usefulness and desireability of college degrees for journalists, psychologists, ... libral arts degrees. I mention this here, because the paper ripped into him for criticizing their profession while at the same time correcting him on the reality of the numbers associated with the psychology profession and degrees in NC. So, like in your letter to the editor that you would like to get published in the local news, perhaps if you take the part out about the media, you may have more success.
Thanks for the reference. I'll try to catch it when I have time. I am probably more aligned to Phil Donahue's ideology than most.
You are probably correct... the criticism of the media, regardless of how mild, surely did not help. But I felt that it was important, and since I had limited room for my comments I decided to go ahead and see what I could do. I still believe that even had I omitted criticism of the media that my letter would not have been published. The media is very protective of Duke University.
This sharlog doesn't open on my ipad. It doesn't support flash. I can't read your letter. Can you copy your letter into the text of the blog so readers can read it?
I would think you want wide distribution and don't want to exclude readers.
It would be more democratic if when there is noone running on one party ticket, since there is normally only two tickets, that there are no primaries and the vote goes to the entire populace of both parties to decide among the candidates that are available to choose from in the general election. Is this a rule that is specific to NC?
It would be more democratic if when there is noone running on one party ticket, since there is normally only two tickets, that there are no primaries and the vote goes to the entire populace of both parties to decide among the candidates that are available to choose from in the general election. Is this a rule that is specific to NC?
No, that's pretty much how elections are run nationwide. The parties nominate their candidates, and decide their nominee in their own primaries, then there is the general election between the parties. Kansas is having an issue with it now, because the Democrats refused to run someone.
But, in partisan elections, it's always done primary then general election. I'm not sure what is undemocratic about the process. The people in Durham had a chance to vote in the primaries if they were interested.
But, no this isn't remotely unique to NC, it's how partisan elections are done nationwide.
Non-partisan elections - like Judicial races are a bit different. If there are only 2 candidates, there is no primary, they just face off in the general election. If there are more than 2 candidates who filed, there is a primary, and then the top 2 vote getters from the primary face off in the general election.
The General Assembly is trying to make judicial races partisan again (they were, then became non-partisan), so that may change.
This sharlog doesn't open on my ipad. It doesn't support flash. I can't read your letter. Can you copy your letter into the text of the blog so readers can read it?
I would think you want wide distribution and don't want to exclude readers.
Makes sense. I'll try to upload it when I come to the library tomorrow.
you are seriously being a very evil duke troll hailing from the nonwonderland blog website in your own major bs hate driven ways with an agenda of causing others harm here and elsewhere with your hate-filled agendas.
He's asking when Kenny is - why do you assume he has anything to do with Duke?
I hope you are seeking help for your Duke obsession ... you've clearly lost what little mind you've ever had!
You see stories about Duke energy and you tie it to Duke University (even though they are unrelated). Someone asks where someone is, and you tie it to Duke.
If Duke sucks so bad, why don't you leave and go to Orange County with UNC, where they hate Duke?
Wow- dude you're mentally ill and in need of medication and treatment if not outright institutionalization. It's frightening to see someone this unhinged is allowed to walk freely. You'll be the next one to commit a murder- your history of sociopathic, narcissistic, psychopathic delusions of persecution will one day lead you to attacking someone physically, instead of ruining lives with lawsuits, costing taxpayers money with your legal actions, and screaming that the entire world is a conspiracy and only you can see it. You alone are defending convicted criminals and claiming every single other person in the world is at fault, and only you know the truth. Classic mental illness.
I think he was referring to Dr. Harr and his mental illness.
If he wanted to be remotely taken seriously, he'd actually pay attention to where he is wrong and change his argument - the fact he refuses to do so shows that he is either incapable of learning, or has his own agenda.
He is still pushing the DTs, Felony Murder, Criminal Record, Conflict of Interest, and many other areas that have been shown to be wrong.
Insanity is doing/saying the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result. Dr. Harr fits it perfectly.
The medical records mention that they considered DTs, started treatment for them, but since there was no improvement, they ruled them out - meaning his issues weren't DTs. That's also clear from the Medical Records, and noted by Dr. Roberts.
Only Sid keeps ignoring that. Yes, they are mentioned, but they are ruled out.
If the conflict of interest is too obvious, please state it - all you have ever said is that it is very obvious. Please explain why working for a healthcare company in Texas 15 years before the trial is a conflict with a health system in Durham.
You haven't been paying attention. The conflict raised by our tin hatted friend is that any lawyer who lives in or near Durham or who may travel in or near Durham May at some point receive medical services from Duke. Even if they don't go there voluntarily, they may be in an accident and be taken there for emergency treatment.
Yes, I know that the "conflict" raised is moronic and that any lawyer to tried to raise that argument in court risked being hit by sanctions, but that is the conflict tin hat raises. Tin hat will defend pushing such utter nonsense by reminding everyone that this blog is not a court and the legal rules do not apply.
yeah well, would you die at the hands of a vengeful duke medical team if you were a lawyer defending ... hmmmmm ... well .... just about anyone
anyway, i have no tinhat - that is a push for break the conspirarcy poster and his goonies to attack continuously (another of the evil duke troll gang)
and ... there have been several arguments about the issue - you - as an evil duke trollie - simply refuse to acknowledge since it doesn't fit your little duke trollie agenda
There is more to it than that. If and when such a lawyer is taken to an emergency room at any hospital whatsoever, Duke will let them know that this lawyer is no friend of medical centers. The receiving hospital, out of courtesy to Duke, will see to it that the lawyer receives the worst treatment possible.
and Dr. Harr isn't running this blog for the continuous evil duke trolling - although that is all it has basically turned into since ya'll ran everyone else off - just like you continuously try to do with me
Why would you want AG Cooper to become the governor, yet you have labeled him Super Duper Cooper? Just because he is a democrat? Why can't there be more than one democratic interested person in the future elections to select from? I am disappointed in his inability to investigate this case from the very start.
I have suffered the pain of all the abuse I've witnessed and been made to endure in order just to ask you, a de facto lawyer trying to assist in this case in your own ways, about the malpractice issues from what little I read about this case in the papers that led me here to find out more about that a little over a year ago.
If AG Cooper and the Durham DA and Duke had done their jobs professionally and responsibly, and at the very least, immediately, to insure that all NC citizens are able to depend on a non-corrupt medical examiner and basic non-malpractice, (or at least responsibility professionally and honestly taken for any malpractice), then it would have prevented my witnessing here and on KC's blog what I have about this case and the lacrosse case, as well as the harm caused by the need to possibly have to go back and reexamine 400 plus autopsy reports to insure the credibility and reliability of autopsy reports for all NC citizens, Ms. Mangums' incarceration and victimization, and all the other harm caused by the failure of Duke and the justice system to perform their duties professionally without conflict and unreasonable harm.
The fact that KC's evil duke troll gang made / makes trying to figure out what the heck is going on in order just to get assured of professional and safe medical services due to the malpractice issues feels like a hate crime since it probably is with all the abuse I've witnessed and been made a part of by just being more open minded, community aware and concerned for the welfare of others, posting here and on KC's blog with questions not aligned to their agendas, and whatever else these haters choose to hate.
Anyway, your case is interesting from what I've seen of it in the sharlog. I hope it works.
You really are totally insane aren't you? You are so paranoid and delusional and don't even read anything that doesn't fit your worldview. Sid is an idiot not a de facto lawyer - he's been wrong on every legal issue he's looked into.
HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP! IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!
For the past four days I've been working on an important sharlog... basically non-stop... locked in my apartment since Saturday morning. It was so large a file that I was forced to divide it into two parts. Both parts were completed just hours ago, and I will upload Part A on Friday. It will take me until then to catch up on everything I've neglected in the meantime.
I'll probably upload Part B the following Tuesday.
Anonymous said... Sid still likes to ignore that the Medical Records explicitly state that DTs were ruled out as the source of Daye's issues in the hospital.
You really can't ever admit you are wrong can you?
Why should I admit to being wrong about something for which I'm right? The fact is that Daye was being treated for DTs... how else would you explain giving someone a total of 160 mg of Valium in multiple I.V. doses and then recording that the patient is still highly agitated?
The document, which will be included in my next sharlog will also mention that he was treated with Ativan and another sedative, as well.
What do you use to back up your assertion that Daye did not suffer from DT's in the hospital?
Anonymous said... I think he was referring to Dr. Harr and his mental illness.
If he wanted to be remotely taken seriously, he'd actually pay attention to where he is wrong and change his argument - the fact he refuses to do so shows that he is either incapable of learning, or has his own agenda.
He is still pushing the DTs, Felony Murder, Criminal Record, Conflict of Interest, and many other areas that have been shown to be wrong.
Insanity is doing/saying the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result. Dr. Harr fits it perfectly.
As I've mentioned in my other comment, the evidence for the DTs will be included in my upcoming sharlog. Face it, the prosecution was planning on using the felony-murder rule to boost their first degree murder charge against Mangum. And like it or not, Daye did have a lengthy criminal record... which included assault on a female.
Anonymous said... The medical records mention that they considered DTs, started treatment for them, but since there was no improvement, they ruled them out - meaning his issues weren't DTs. That's also clear from the Medical Records, and noted by Dr. Roberts.
Only Sid keeps ignoring that. Yes, they are mentioned, but they are ruled out.
Answer me this: To what did they attribute Daye's severe agitation? They certainly didn't call for a psychiatric consultation.
Anonymous said... If the conflict of interest is too obvious, please state it - all you have ever said is that it is very obvious. Please explain why working for a healthcare company in Texas 15 years before the trial is a conflict with a health system in Durham.
If it's obvious, I'm missing it.
What is obvious about it?
The point I make is that someone who has worked for the Hospital Corporation of America is likely to have sympathies towards hospitals. I don't know in what capacity he worked while employed there, but Mangum's situation is one which required that a hospital be aggressively attacked in order to place blame for Daye's death where it belonged... on the hospital. So, I was extremely concerned to learn this about Meier's past.
Why would you want AG Cooper to become the governor, yet you have labeled him Super Duper Cooper? Just because he is a democrat? Why can't there be more than one democratic interested person in the future elections to select from? I am disappointed in his inability to investigate this case from the very start.
I have suffered the pain of all the abuse I've witnessed and been made to endure in order just to ask you, a de facto lawyer trying to assist in this case in your own ways, about the malpractice issues from what little I read about this case in the papers that led me here to find out more about that a little over a year ago.
If AG Cooper and the Durham DA and Duke had done their jobs professionally and responsibly, and at the very least, immediately, to insure that all NC citizens are able to depend on a non-corrupt medical examiner and basic non-malpractice, (or at least responsibility professionally and honestly taken for any malpractice), then it would have prevented my witnessing here and on KC's blog what I have about this case and the lacrosse case, as well as the harm caused by the need to possibly have to go back and reexamine 400 plus autopsy reports to insure the credibility and reliability of autopsy reports for all NC citizens, Ms. Mangums' incarceration and victimization, and all the other harm caused by the failure of Duke and the justice system to perform their duties professionally without conflict and unreasonable harm.
The fact that KC's evil duke troll gang made / makes trying to figure out what the heck is going on in order just to get assured of professional and safe medical services due to the malpractice issues feels like a hate crime since it probably is with all the abuse I've witnessed and been made a part of by just being more open minded, community aware and concerned for the welfare of others, posting here and on KC's blog with questions not aligned to their agendas, and whatever else these haters choose to hate.
Anyway, your case is interesting from what I've seen of it in the sharlog. I hope it works.
Thank you for your comments and good wishes.
You're right that I support Roy Cooper because he is the lesser of two evils... the worser evil being any Republican.
Although I am not pleased with Mr. Cooper's handling of the Duke Lacrosse case, Mike Nifong, and his absolute refusal to investigate in Mangum's case, I do appreciate his views socially. He seems to be concerned about defending consumers and the public from avaricious energy companies and payday loans, etc. I think he has a lot of positives.
I used Super-Duper Cooper as an amusing educational tool to enlighten the people. Personally I don't dislike the man, and my use of him in the comic strip is light-hearted and not malicious. I make more fun of myself with self-deprecating humor.
As far as the media goes, it will, at times, keep the truth from the people.
Dr. Roberts said they suspected DT's and started treatment, but since he didn't respond, they ruled it out, and moved on to something else. The medical records make that clear too.
Sid - by your logic of Meier's conflict (he used to work for an unrelated healthcare company, which he left, in a distant state, you are worried he wouldn't go after Duke) - don't you have the same one? You used to be a doctor/healthcare provider, in a different state, which you left - now you are claiming to be honest in your attacks on other doctors/healthcare providers.
I think you have the same conflict and should recuse yourself immediately and shut down this blog lest you expose yourself for being a total fraud and hypocrit.
To quote the article referenced earlier, "...studies revealed similar patterns of relations between trolling and the Dark Tetrad of personality: trolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, using both enjoyment ratings and identity scores. Of all personality measures, sadism showed the most robust associations with trolling and, importantly, the relationship was specific to trolling behavior... Thus cyber-trolling appears to be an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism."
Sid's not "just" a fraud and hypocrite, he's apparently a pyschopathic sadist, just like Tin-Foil Hat....
I agree that Sidney has the conflict you describe. The fact that he once worked in the healthcare field disqualifies him from commenting on healthcare matters.
However, Sidney has a far more serious conflict with this case.
If Daye was murdered at Duke with an intentional esophageal intubation, as some have suggested, then Sidney is a prime suspect.
After Duke shamefully mistreated him at the Breyer lecture, Sidney threatened on this blog that Duke would pay for its mistreatment. As a former ER physician, Sidney would know how to intubate a patient improperly. His lack of legal knowledge suggests that Sidney had no idea that Mangum could remain legally responsible for what he tried to portray as malpractice.
Some new readers may argue that a vague threat said out of frustration and an employment history from decades earlier is scarcely proof of murder. I note that this is precisely what Sidney has asserted proves that Rae Evans controls the Carpetbagger Jihad, a massive conspiracy that attacks Nifong, Mangum and their supporters.
Sidney has claimed that he could not have murdered Daye because he has not returned to Duke since it's shameful mistreatment of him. This self-proclaimed alibi is entirely self-serving.
I do not question Sidney's right to discuss the case. However, all readers should be skeptical of any claims made by a suspected murderer.
Don't you think it gets rather tiring and contrary to health of the nation and the states to always be presented with the voting option of choosing, (if there even is a choice), between two evils instead of actually having a choice of leaders who are not corrupted and have the best interest of 'the people' vs. 'the corps. or money basically regardless of harm caused' at the heart of every decision affecting 'the people'? I do.
Answer me this: To what did they attribute Daye's severe agitation? They certainly didn't call for a psychiatric consultation.
The originally considered DTs, so they started treatment, since that didn't affect the agitation, they excluded DTs as the cause, and were looking for other causes when the esophageal intubation happened, Daye became brain dead, and his agitation was moot.
I'm a senior citizen who believes that the state of North Carolina has harshly, excessively, and unjustly treated former Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong.
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Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
What exactly did you ask the new DA to do to help in Ms. Mangum's case?
If he has a position and a career to think about, then he ought best be doing his job regardless of the pbt's.
Your thoughts on that simple ray of enlightenment would be interesting to hear.
Unfortunately, in today's society, doing the right thing is not necessarily the best thing for one's career. That is evidenced by the persecution of Mike Nifong.
D.A. Echols is faced with a dilemma... do the right thing and work towards having the conviction of Mangum overturned, or ignore the fact that his prosecutors based their case against Mangum on a fraudulent autopsy report and only prevailed at verdict with help of the medical examiner committing perjury and the defense attorney keeping the jurors from knowing the truth about Reginald Daye's death... knowingly allowing an innocent woman to stay in prison for eighteen years.
Anonymous said...
How did the new DA end up appointed by the governor anyway. Just a short while ago there were news articles about several candidates considering running for the position, including at least one with Duke affiliations. Then all of a sudden the governor is appointing the DA because he won the democratic primary and there were no other candidates to choose from when the last appointed interim DA retired again - so no election required.
Dosen't seem quite democratic, eh?
I don't see where the governor had a choice... as I am unaware of any challengers to Echols from the Republican or Democratic parties.
Anonymous said...
Sid, you've proven you have no ability at reasoning or reading comprehension ... You still cling to debunked felony murder and inadmissible criminal records - it's no wonder you missed where Roberts discussed a known complication in regards to the intubation. Admit you are wrong sometimes - in particular on felony murder and the record and we may enlighten you some more - or refuse to admit you are wrong and prove you are a narcissistic ass who isn't worthy of enlightening because you will ignore it.
What I said I missed was where Dr. Roberts allegedly said that an esophageal intubation was not malpractice.
As far as admitting I'm wrong, I'm the first to do so if such is the case. As far as inadmissible evidence, I'm certain the prosecution in Mangum's trial got away with plenty of that... especially with her turncoat defense attorney remaining silent instead of objecting.
Dr. Harr,
It is now his job to make sure his staff does their jobs right isn't it? Perhaps if you started a new blog identity and called it Citizen's Innocence Commission, and then approached him and the case again from this perspective he may get the comparison of justice in what is seen happening in his office he is now in charge of, and the justice system he is an integral part of?
???
Yes, the turncoat who objected to a lot of the evidence coming in. Clearly his fault any came in.
You are still an idiot, and I like how you keep deflecting.
You won't admit you were wrong about inadmissible evidence, you say "they probably did it too" but with no evidence. Whether or not they did it too, you were/are wrong about it, just as you are (though still refuse to admit it, and now say "well why then") about the Felony Murder.
They are right - there is nothing new in your letter - you've been spouting the same debunked crap for years, and ignore the fact that it has been shown to be wrong.
seriously, give it a break
everyone here is following the same information, and most of what you say is just you trying to discredit everything not proDuke antiMangum regardless of what is said, what evidence or answers are given, and what the facts are
can you go back to printing your heading directory in all caps?
things were easier that way
No, the problem is that when evidence is presented to Sid, even direct case law, he ignores it, and just repeats exactly what he said before. I'd be happy to learn if he would present additional evidence. But, remember, Dr. Roberts also concluded that the stab wound was a proximate cause. Sid's only response "clearly she's lying." That's not evidence.
And, the felony murder and criminal record are demonstrable facts that Sid is wrong about. So, again, that's not evidence.
This case was a self-defense case, Sid deluded Crystal and others to ignore self-defense and focus on some vast Duke conspiracy, much to her detriment. Had self-defense worked, nothing Duke did would have mattered.
So put Dr. Roberts' on the stand and question her about her findings and the law. She isn't judge and jury.
After that, question the Duke doctors and Dr. Nichols.
Other than that, justified doubt remains.
Yes, everyone here who claims to support Crystal wants to put people on the stand who would have gotten her convicted of 1st Degree murder.
Why do you think Dr. Roberts wouldn't have stood fully by her report? And, if she did, it would greatly hurt Crystal.
The Herald-Sun didn't publish your letter to the editor?
I feel shocked!
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So Ubes has gone incognito and ditched the all caps format?
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LEADER OF THE LIESTOPPER CRANKS
So, Kilgo,
Where have you been? Kenhyderal left in a huff because you refused to give him the information he needed.
Dr. Harr,
Perhaps you will have time to watch some of the YouTube video interviews presented to the public on-line by the Real News Network. There is a new one now that features a discussion with Phil Donahue on the Real News Network about the media which may help you to understand this highly political environment of public information and misinformation:
Corporate Media is Destroying Democracy - Phil Donahue on Reality Asserts Itself (2/3)
I don't always agree with Mr. Donahue about things, but that may be because he still seems beholden to the information provided by the P-T-Bs, or in other words that he still seems to speak that which the ptbs say is reality without delving far enough below the facts to get to the actual truth, but that may just be his own coorporate conditioning.
In addition, there was an article in one of the local papers recently that criticized Governor McCory for demeaning the usefulness and desireability of college degrees for journalists, psychologists, ... libral arts degrees. I mention this here, because the paper ripped into him for criticizing their profession while at the same time correcting him on the reality of the numbers associated with the psychology profession and degrees in NC. So, like in your letter to the editor that you would like to get published in the local news, perhaps if you take the part out about the media, you may have more success.
I have always wondered how bad a letter to the editor must be before a newspaper won't publish it. Now, I know. Really - really - really bad. Filled with falsehoods, nonsense and outright contradictions. That's what it takes. Well done Sid, you wrote the worst letter on record.
Walt-in-Durham
Anonymous said...
No, the problem is that when evidence is presented to Sid, even direct case law, he ignores it, and just repeats exactly what he said before. I'd be happy to learn if he would present additional evidence. But, remember, Dr. Roberts also concluded that the stab wound was a proximate cause. Sid's only response "clearly she's lying." That's not evidence.
And, the felony murder and criminal record are demonstrable facts that Sid is wrong about. So, again, that's not evidence.
This case was a self-defense case, Sid deluded Crystal and others to ignore self-defense and focus on some vast Duke conspiracy, much to her detriment. Had self-defense worked, nothing Duke did would have mattered.
Dr. Roberts is an intelligent lady, and we both know that she is lying with regards to the cause of Daye's death. As a medical expert she is charged with giving medical, not legal, reasoning for concluding the cause of death. She cannot, and she does not provide any nexus between the stab wound and Daye's brain death... the cause of his removal from life support.
She does deserve a little credit for admitting that the initial intubation was esophageal, but then she tried to mislead by suggesting that it was immediately recognized and that Daye was re-intubated prior to going into cardiac arrest. That's not what happened. When Daye went into cardiac arrest, he had been intubated only once... the initial esophageal intubation.
Anonymous said...
So put Dr. Roberts' on the stand and question her about her findings and the law. She isn't judge and jury.
After that, question the Duke doctors and Dr. Nichols.
Other than that, justified doubt remains.
Another enlightened comment. That would've been the best way to assure that Mangum was acquitted, but her turncoat attorney used extreme pressure to force Mangum to relent about having Dr. Roberts involved in the trial. With proper direct examination, the entire credibility of Dr. Nichols' testimony could've been effectively impeached.
And, Dr. Nichols made no attempt to have a medical professional refute the statements made by the medical examiner.
Anonymous said...
The Herald-Sun didn't publish your letter to the editor?
I feel shocked!
To be honest, I was not surprised. The entire mainstream media, including The Herald-Sun, has refused to report the truth about Daye's death and autopsy report... they have refused to editorialize about it, and I have never seen any letters to the editor about it.
Even though I was not shocked when the newspaper's editor refused my request for a guest column, I was shocked when he instead recommended that I submit a 250-word letter to the editor. Although I took his advice, and tried to water down the comments as much as possible, I must say that I was not shocked in the least when I finally learned that it would not be published.
The media is going to all extremes to keep the truth from the people.
Walt said...
I have always wondered how bad a letter to the editor must be before a newspaper won't publish it. Now, I know. Really - really - really bad. Filled with falsehoods, nonsense and outright contradictions. That's what it takes. Well done Sid, you wrote the worst letter on record.
Walt-in-Durham
Hah, Walt. With a review like that, I know that it must've really been outstanding and on-target.
Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
Perhaps you will have time to watch some of the YouTube video interviews presented to the public on-line by the Real News Network. There is a new one now that features a discussion with Phil Donahue on the Real News Network about the media which may help you to understand this highly political environment of public information and misinformation:
Corporate Media is Destroying Democracy - Phil Donahue on Reality Asserts Itself (2/3)
I don't always agree with Mr. Donahue about things, but that may be because he still seems beholden to the information provided by the P-T-Bs, or in other words that he still seems to speak that which the ptbs say is reality without delving far enough below the facts to get to the actual truth, but that may just be his own coorporate conditioning.
In addition, there was an article in one of the local papers recently that criticized Governor McCory for demeaning the usefulness and desireability of college degrees for journalists, psychologists, ... libral arts degrees. I mention this here, because the paper ripped into him for criticizing their profession while at the same time correcting him on the reality of the numbers associated with the psychology profession and degrees in NC. So, like in your letter to the editor that you would like to get published in the local news, perhaps if you take the part out about the media, you may have more success.
Thanks for the reference. I'll try to catch it when I have time. I am probably more aligned to Phil Donahue's ideology than most.
You are probably correct... the criticism of the media, regardless of how mild, surely did not help. But I felt that it was important, and since I had limited room for my comments I decided to go ahead and see what I could do. I still believe that even had I omitted criticism of the media that my letter would not have been published. The media is very protective of Duke University.
Dr. Harr,
This sharlog doesn't open on my ipad. It doesn't support flash. I can't read your letter. Can you copy your letter into the text of the blog so readers can read it?
I would think you want wide distribution and don't want to exclude readers.
It would be more democratic if when there is noone running on one party ticket, since there is normally only two tickets, that there are no primaries and the vote goes to the entire populace of both parties to decide among the candidates that are available to choose from in the general election. Is this a rule that is specific to NC?
Just wondering.
Anonymous said...
It would be more democratic if when there is noone running on one party ticket, since there is normally only two tickets, that there are no primaries and the vote goes to the entire populace of both parties to decide among the candidates that are available to choose from in the general election. Is this a rule that is specific to NC?
No, that's pretty much how elections are run nationwide. The parties nominate their candidates, and decide their nominee in their own primaries, then there is the general election between the parties. Kansas is having an issue with it now, because the Democrats refused to run someone.
But, in partisan elections, it's always done primary then general election. I'm not sure what is undemocratic about the process. The people in Durham had a chance to vote in the primaries if they were interested.
But, no this isn't remotely unique to NC, it's how partisan elections are done nationwide.
Non-partisan elections - like Judicial races are a bit different. If there are only 2 candidates, there is no primary, they just face off in the general election. If there are more than 2 candidates who filed, there is a primary, and then the top 2 vote getters from the primary face off in the general election.
The General Assembly is trying to make judicial races partisan again (they were, then became non-partisan), so that may change.
Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
This sharlog doesn't open on my ipad. It doesn't support flash. I can't read your letter. Can you copy your letter into the text of the blog so readers can read it?
I would think you want wide distribution and don't want to exclude readers.
Makes sense. I'll try to upload it when I come to the library tomorrow.
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Sid still likes to ignore that the Medical Records explicitly state that DTs were ruled out as the source of Daye's issues in the hospital.
You really can't ever admit you are wrong can you?
whereisubes?
whereisubes?
you are seriously being a very evil duke troll hailing from the nonwonderland blog website in your own major bs hate driven ways with an agenda of causing others harm here and elsewhere with your hate-filled agendas.
He's asking when Kenny is - why do you assume he has anything to do with Duke?
I hope you are seeking help for your Duke obsession ... you've clearly lost what little mind you've ever had!
You see stories about Duke energy and you tie it to Duke University (even though they are unrelated). Someone asks where someone is, and you tie it to Duke.
If Duke sucks so bad, why don't you leave and go to Orange County with UNC, where they hate Duke?
seriously
get fracking real
you are probably the troll who posted that post to look like someone else just so you could then troll it too
and if you are not - (which you are since you do just that continuously on this blog) ... now ya know
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p.s. duke sucks nomatter - it's their image - duke - the land of 'duke's evil a... suck - and always will' ville
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Such an evil, mean, hate-filled, nonsensical, crazy making comment.....
naw, just the truth
duke does have the lowest rated town/gown environment in the nation from last 'heard' for many reasons, the least of which is the fact that they suck
Wow. Such an evil, mean, hate-filled, nonsensical, crazy making comment.
Wow- dude you're mentally ill and in need of medication and treatment if not outright institutionalization. It's frightening to see someone this unhinged is allowed to walk freely. You'll be the next one to commit a murder- your history of sociopathic, narcissistic, psychopathic delusions of persecution will one day lead you to attacking someone physically, instead of ruining lives with lawsuits, costing taxpayers money with your legal actions, and screaming that the entire world is a conspiracy and only you can see it. You alone are defending convicted criminals and claiming every single other person in the world is at fault, and only you know the truth. Classic mental illness.
Some of us just think they suck, but hey, if you want to insult the Duke dudes into thinking their mentally ill ... apparently noone's gonna stop you.
I think he was referring to Dr. Harr and his mental illness.
If he wanted to be remotely taken seriously, he'd actually pay attention to where he is wrong and change his argument - the fact he refuses to do so shows that he is either incapable of learning, or has his own agenda.
He is still pushing the DTs, Felony Murder, Criminal Record, Conflict of Interest, and many other areas that have been shown to be wrong.
Insanity is doing/saying the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result. Dr. Harr fits it perfectly.
no, only the evil duke troll is pushing some of those things to have something to argue about
the conflict of interest - that is too obvious to even argue about - so perhaps produke antimangum agendas clouds the ability to see it
the medical records mention dt's - a trial and questioning the doctors might clear that bit up
The medical records mention that they considered DTs, started treatment for them, but since there was no improvement, they ruled them out - meaning his issues weren't DTs. That's also clear from the Medical Records, and noted by Dr. Roberts.
Only Sid keeps ignoring that. Yes, they are mentioned, but they are ruled out.
If the conflict of interest is too obvious, please state it - all you have ever said is that it is very obvious. Please explain why working for a healthcare company in Texas 15 years before the trial is a conflict with a health system in Durham.
If it's obvious, I'm missing it.
What is obvious about it?
4:37:
You haven't been paying attention. The conflict raised by our tin hatted friend is that any lawyer who lives in or near Durham or who may travel in or near Durham May at some point receive medical services from Duke. Even if they don't go there voluntarily, they may be in an accident and be taken there for emergency treatment.
Yes, I know that the "conflict" raised is moronic and that any lawyer to tried to raise that argument in court risked being hit by sanctions, but that is the conflict tin hat raises. Tin hat will defend pushing such utter nonsense by reminding everyone that this blog is not a court and the legal rules do not apply.
yeah well, would you die at the hands of a vengeful duke medical team if you were a lawyer defending ... hmmmmm ... well .... just about anyone
anyway, i have no tinhat - that is a push for break the conspirarcy poster and his goonies to attack continuously (another of the evil duke troll gang)
and ... there have been several arguments about the issue - you - as an evil duke trollie - simply refuse to acknowledge since it doesn't fit your little duke trollie agenda
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There is more to it than that. If and when such a lawyer is taken to an emergency room at any hospital whatsoever, Duke will let them know that this lawyer is no friend of medical centers. The receiving hospital, out of courtesy to Duke, will see to it that the lawyer receives the worst treatment possible.
To the 6:11,
Please mind your manners. Sidney tries to maintain a pleasant blog; people of your ilk spoil it for Sidney.
To the 4:37:
Why do you argue with tin-foil hat? He's just trying to get your goat.
no g...
you are trying to 'get goats'
and Dr. Harr isn't running this blog for the continuous evil duke trolling - although that is all it has basically turned into since ya'll ran everyone else off - just like you continuously try to do with me
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Blah blah blah ...
Seriously, that's the most intelligent thing you say ... blah ...
Everything else makes absolutely no sense to anyone who isn't delusional.
yeah well, would you die at the hands of a vengeful duke medical team if you were a lawyer defending ... hmmmmm ... well .... just about anyone
Duke gets sued all the time, for medical malpractice and other things. Have any of the lawyers who sued Duke been killed?
And, it's often Durham lawyers suing Duke, and many of those lawyers seek treatment at Duke when they need it.
Dr. Harr,
Why would you want AG Cooper to become the governor, yet you have labeled him Super Duper Cooper? Just because he is a democrat? Why can't there be more than one democratic interested person in the future elections to select from? I am disappointed in his inability to investigate this case from the very start.
I have suffered the pain of all the abuse I've witnessed and been made to endure in order just to ask you, a de facto lawyer trying to assist in this case in your own ways, about the malpractice issues from what little I read about this case in the papers that led me here to find out more about that a little over a year ago.
If AG Cooper and the Durham DA and Duke had done their jobs professionally and responsibly, and at the very least, immediately, to insure that all NC citizens are able to depend on a non-corrupt medical examiner and basic non-malpractice, (or at least responsibility professionally and honestly taken for any malpractice), then it would have prevented my witnessing here and on KC's blog what I have about this case and the lacrosse case, as well as the harm caused by the need to possibly have to go back and reexamine 400 plus autopsy reports to insure the credibility and reliability of autopsy reports for all NC citizens, Ms. Mangums' incarceration and victimization, and all the other harm caused by the failure of Duke and the justice system to perform their duties professionally without conflict and unreasonable harm.
The fact that KC's evil duke troll gang made / makes trying to figure out what the heck is going on in order just to get assured of professional and safe medical services due to the malpractice issues feels like a hate crime since it probably is with all the abuse I've witnessed and been made a part of by just being more open minded, community aware and concerned for the welfare of others, posting here and on KC's blog with questions not aligned to their agendas, and whatever else these haters choose to hate.
Anyway, your case is interesting from what I've seen of it in the sharlog. I hope it works.
You really are totally insane aren't you? You are so paranoid and delusional and don't even read anything that doesn't fit your worldview. Sid is an idiot not a de facto lawyer - he's been wrong on every legal issue he's looked into.
He's lost his case at every stage.
To the 6:27,
You don't think that 5:59 actually believes what he writes, do you?
Sadly, Sid will believe it and talk about what an enlightened comment it was.
Some of you seem to actually know Sid. Is he really this delusional, or is this all a big ego-feeding joke for him?
HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!
For the past four days I've been working on an important sharlog... basically non-stop... locked in my apartment since Saturday morning. It was so large a file that I was forced to divide it into two parts. Both parts were completed just hours ago, and I will upload Part A on Friday. It will take me until then to catch up on everything I've neglected in the meantime.
I'll probably upload Part B the following Tuesday.
As you were.
Anonymous said...
Sid still likes to ignore that the Medical Records explicitly state that DTs were ruled out as the source of Daye's issues in the hospital.
You really can't ever admit you are wrong can you?
Why should I admit to being wrong about something for which I'm right? The fact is that Daye was being treated for DTs... how else would you explain giving someone a total of 160 mg of Valium in multiple I.V. doses and then recording that the patient is still highly agitated?
The document, which will be included in my next sharlog will also mention that he was treated with Ativan and another sedative, as well.
What do you use to back up your assertion that Daye did not suffer from DT's in the hospital?
Anonymous said...
I think he was referring to Dr. Harr and his mental illness.
If he wanted to be remotely taken seriously, he'd actually pay attention to where he is wrong and change his argument - the fact he refuses to do so shows that he is either incapable of learning, or has his own agenda.
He is still pushing the DTs, Felony Murder, Criminal Record, Conflict of Interest, and many other areas that have been shown to be wrong.
Insanity is doing/saying the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different result. Dr. Harr fits it perfectly.
As I've mentioned in my other comment, the evidence for the DTs will be included in my upcoming sharlog. Face it, the prosecution was planning on using the felony-murder rule to boost their first degree murder charge against Mangum. And like it or not, Daye did have a lengthy criminal record... which included assault on a female.
Anonymous said...
The medical records mention that they considered DTs, started treatment for them, but since there was no improvement, they ruled them out - meaning his issues weren't DTs. That's also clear from the Medical Records, and noted by Dr. Roberts.
Only Sid keeps ignoring that. Yes, they are mentioned, but they are ruled out.
Answer me this: To what did they attribute Daye's severe agitation? They certainly didn't call for a psychiatric consultation.
Anonymous said...
If the conflict of interest is too obvious, please state it - all you have ever said is that it is very obvious. Please explain why working for a healthcare company in Texas 15 years before the trial is a conflict with a health system in Durham.
If it's obvious, I'm missing it.
What is obvious about it?
The point I make is that someone who has worked for the Hospital Corporation of America is likely to have sympathies towards hospitals. I don't know in what capacity he worked while employed there, but Mangum's situation is one which required that a hospital be aggressively attacked in order to place blame for Daye's death where it belonged... on the hospital. So, I was extremely concerned to learn this about Meier's past.
guiowen said...
To the 6:11,
Please mind your manners. Sidney tries to maintain a pleasant blog; people of your ilk spoil it for Sidney.
gui, mon ami, thanks.
I appreciate all commenters... even the ones who don't agree with me. Your participation is what makes this blog site great.
Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,
Why would you want AG Cooper to become the governor, yet you have labeled him Super Duper Cooper? Just because he is a democrat? Why can't there be more than one democratic interested person in the future elections to select from? I am disappointed in his inability to investigate this case from the very start.
I have suffered the pain of all the abuse I've witnessed and been made to endure in order just to ask you, a de facto lawyer trying to assist in this case in your own ways, about the malpractice issues from what little I read about this case in the papers that led me here to find out more about that a little over a year ago.
If AG Cooper and the Durham DA and Duke had done their jobs professionally and responsibly, and at the very least, immediately, to insure that all NC citizens are able to depend on a non-corrupt medical examiner and basic non-malpractice, (or at least responsibility professionally and honestly taken for any malpractice), then it would have prevented my witnessing here and on KC's blog what I have about this case and the lacrosse case, as well as the harm caused by the need to possibly have to go back and reexamine 400 plus autopsy reports to insure the credibility and reliability of autopsy reports for all NC citizens, Ms. Mangums' incarceration and victimization, and all the other harm caused by the failure of Duke and the justice system to perform their duties professionally without conflict and unreasonable harm.
The fact that KC's evil duke troll gang made / makes trying to figure out what the heck is going on in order just to get assured of professional and safe medical services due to the malpractice issues feels like a hate crime since it probably is with all the abuse I've witnessed and been made a part of by just being more open minded, community aware and concerned for the welfare of others, posting here and on KC's blog with questions not aligned to their agendas, and whatever else these haters choose to hate.
Anyway, your case is interesting from what I've seen of it in the sharlog. I hope it works.
Thank you for your comments and good wishes.
You're right that I support Roy Cooper because he is the lesser of two evils... the worser evil being any Republican.
Although I am not pleased with Mr. Cooper's handling of the Duke Lacrosse case, Mike Nifong, and his absolute refusal to investigate in Mangum's case, I do appreciate his views socially. He seems to be concerned about defending consumers and the public from avaricious energy companies and payday loans, etc. I think he has a lot of positives.
I used Super-Duper Cooper as an amusing educational tool to enlighten the people. Personally I don't dislike the man, and my use of him in the comic strip is light-hearted and not malicious. I make more fun of myself with self-deprecating humor.
As far as the media goes, it will, at times, keep the truth from the people.
Sid said:
"Answer me this: To what did they attribute Daye's severe agitation? They certainly didn't call for a psychiatric consultation."
I am just spit balling here, but maybe being driven out of his home and then getting stabbed by Mangum agitated Mr. Daye?
Like it or not, felony murder was never possible on these charges.
Like it or not, nothing in Daye's criminal record was admissible.
Like it or not, you are simply wrong but too much of a narcissistic egomaniac to admit it.
Dr. Roberts said they suspected DT's and started treatment, but since he didn't respond, they ruled it out, and moved on to something else. The medical records make that clear too.
What the frack G there you go again with your trolling and little miss manners bs
Blah blah blah
Just mind your manners, that's all.
Sid - by your logic of Meier's conflict (he used to work for an unrelated healthcare company, which he left, in a distant state, you are worried he wouldn't go after Duke) - don't you have the same one? You used to be a doctor/healthcare provider, in a different state, which you left - now you are claiming to be honest in your attacks on other doctors/healthcare providers.
I think you have the same conflict and should recuse yourself immediately and shut down this blog lest you expose yourself for being a total fraud and hypocrit.
To quote the article referenced earlier, "...studies revealed similar patterns of relations between trolling and the Dark Tetrad of personality: trolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism, using both enjoyment ratings and identity scores. Of all personality measures, sadism showed the most robust associations with trolling and, importantly, the relationship was specific to trolling behavior... Thus cyber-trolling appears to be an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism."
Sid's not "just" a fraud and hypocrite, he's apparently a pyschopathic sadist, just like Tin-Foil Hat....
Anonymous 4:41:
I agree that Sidney has the conflict you describe. The fact that he once worked in the healthcare field disqualifies him from commenting on healthcare matters.
However, Sidney has a far more serious conflict with this case.
If Daye was murdered at Duke with an intentional esophageal intubation, as some have suggested, then Sidney is a prime suspect.
After Duke shamefully mistreated him at the Breyer lecture, Sidney threatened on this blog that Duke would pay for its mistreatment. As a former ER physician, Sidney would know how to intubate a patient improperly. His lack of legal knowledge suggests that Sidney had no idea that Mangum could remain legally responsible for what he tried to portray as malpractice.
Some new readers may argue that a vague threat said out of frustration and an employment history from decades earlier is scarcely proof of murder. I note that this is precisely what Sidney has asserted proves that Rae Evans controls the Carpetbagger Jihad, a massive conspiracy that attacks Nifong, Mangum and their supporters.
Sidney has claimed that he could not have murdered Daye because he has not returned to Duke since it's shameful mistreatment of him. This self-proclaimed alibi is entirely self-serving.
I do not question Sidney's right to discuss the case. However, all readers should be skeptical of any claims made by a suspected murderer.
hey G you little fracker stop trolling me
Please mind your manners.
To Anonymous@ 7:02 -
Such an evil, mean, hate-filled, nonsensical, crazy making comment.
Dr. Harr,
Don't you think it gets rather tiring and contrary to health of the nation and the states to always be presented with the voting option of choosing, (if there even is a choice), between two evils instead of actually having a choice of leaders who are not corrupted and have the best interest of 'the people' vs. 'the corps. or money basically regardless of harm caused' at the heart of every decision affecting 'the people'? I do.
Answer me this: To what did they attribute Daye's severe agitation? They certainly didn't call for a psychiatric consultation.
The originally considered DTs, so they started treatment, since that didn't affect the agitation, they excluded DTs as the cause, and were looking for other causes when the esophageal intubation happened, Daye became brain dead, and his agitation was moot.
They did suspect, but ruled out, DTs.
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