justice4nifong: Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong correspondence

Saturday, November 29, 2014

Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong correspondence

Correspondence updated on December 7, 2014

to include first week in December 2014.

Click to access 'Grievance filed with State Bar against Ann B. Petersen'

194 comments:

Nifong Supporter said...: Lance the Intern said...
I think that a more skilled, engaging, and community connected officer in Ferguson would have had a
completely different interaction with Michael Brown on August 9.

Hey, Lance. I totally agree with you. Towards this end, I believe that police fitted with audio-video cameras to record interactions would be a big help.; November 29, 2014 at 7:34 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
I see where Lance is coming from. The DA has a close association to the police so it appears that he may not be a zealous advocate that the state needs in the matter.

As a strict conflict of interest under the rules of professional conduct, a parent working for the police in the past is not specifically a conflict of interest.

Still, I think the better course would have been to recuse and let a SP handle the case.

That said, the DA did the right thing by using the grand jury to collect evidence and take testimony. In Missouri, they have the ability to take recorded testimony before a Grand Jury. We do not have that authority in NC.

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt.

It seems to me like the D.A. in the Brown case did a turncoat... sorta like Meier did for his client.

Unfortunately, that prosecutor lacked the integrity and courage of a Mike Nifong.; November 29, 2014 at 7:38 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

you said on
November 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM:

"I understand your position which makes sense. My approach however is that the individuals who give false reports and perjury do so out of intimidation... that they saw what happened to Mike Nifong when he didn't go along with the PTBs and they didn't want to suffer the same consequences as he did."

***This is the part of the case that is confusing. Did Duke WANT the lacrosse team persecuted in order to create a media sensation and a political push for black democratic voters to be politically galvanized, and therefore and if so, didn't Mr. Nifong actually go along with Duke's PTB political agenda and media campaign to galvanize the black and female democratic political agenda and vote? So therefore, what you may actually be describing is the push back from a republican led lacrosse team to squash the democratic agenda? So therefore, actually what is seen is the PTB's fighting against PTB's and using Duke, Durham, and the NC justice system, (as well as everyone else indiscriminately), without mercy to achieve their political agendas, and/or save themselves from incarceration and/or injustice? ???

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"The only way in which such a reign of terror can be eradicated in my opinion is if the State Bar reinstates Nifong's law license. Right now, Nifong, as a disbarred and persecuted lawyer, is an example of what can happen if going against the PTBs."

***Maybe that is what Mr. Nifong expected all along as a result of this case? Maybe it was part of the 'plan'? ???

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"I probably wouldn't recommend true punitive damages for misdeeds by public officials until after Nifong's law license is reinstated."

*** ??? There would NEVER be a time that 'it' stopped then. All that would be accomplished is everyone will see that it is ok to conduct business as corrupt usual, with no reason not to commit more acts contrary to justice nor civil rights and law in subversion to the greater power of politics and the PTB's.

???

I don't believe Duke University wanted its students prosecuted or the publicity.

I don't think that Mike Nifong could've anticipated what transpired because of his efforts to do the right thing.

As far as not recommending prosecuting anyone until Nifong is reinstated, I may have to work on tweaking that point of view.; November 29, 2014 at 7:42 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

With this current sharlog, I am beginning a process of publishing online all of the correspondence I send and receive regarding Mangum's case. I will go backward and upload correspondence in the past as well as letters as I send them out... in real time, so to speak... a few days or so after the fact. I will try to update as frequently as possible and I will make visible on the button the date in which I update.

I will try to concentrate letters related to Mangum's case and not those regarding my legal case against Duke.

Any suggestions on improvements, or opinions about this will be appreciated.

Also, belated Happy Thanksgiving to all. I got busy and didn't get the chance to wish everyone a good T-day.

Finally, have just finished writing the draft for the next sharlog which is about Dr. Roberts and the Lennon Lacy case.

Hope to have it uploaded by week's end... optimistically.

As you were.; November 29, 2014 at 7:50 AM
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Anonymous said...: What the frack is going on here? I leave for a little while and come back hoping to be elucidated by a nice shlog, but all I find are these evil, mean, hate-filled, nonsensical, crazy making comments from a bunch of insane hate-crime blog mongers.

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blah; November 29, 2014 at 9:05 AM
Anonymous said...: What I find most amusing is that Sidney thinks so highly of himself that he thinks these folks are going to take a CD from a stranger, who is clearly a bit nuts, and plug it into their computers, not knowing what viruses or anything else they may contain, and watch several hours of videos/sharlogs that you cannot fast-forward through, or rewind through, so even if they did all of that, and saw something they wanted to point out, they'd have to sit back through another 20 minutes to show it to someone else.; November 29, 2014 at 10:16 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Does Ms. Mangum have access to the State Bar's Grievance Form so she can file complaints herself, starting with her current appeals attorney? Does she have a detailed medical narrative from you about the issues with the case as you detail in your sharlogs, to include what she believes should be appealed and why her current lawyer is remiss in her legal duties in conjunction with the medically detailed analysis, for the purpose of writing her own grievance?; November 29, 2014 at 10:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

I think the justice system typically is more discrete when handling rape cases, due to possibilities of undue psychological damage, harm from stigma, fear, trauma, and societal pressures and customs and traditions, etc., imposed upon the alleged victim that could cause irreversable harm to the victim and their family and community, etc. Of course this does not always happen and the victim IS victimized, but the courts are aware of what they are doing and how to mitigate damages by now any reasonable citizen would assume. There is no excuse for Duke not knowing the harm they cause as they are well versed in all areas of the issues.

There seemed to be no safeguards put in place by Mr. Nifong in the handling of this case for the protection of Ms. Mangum, her family, nor her community. In essence, she could be perceived to have been exploited, and to have been made into an exploitable figure within the justice system beyond just that case. She has to fight for herself obviously in order to gain back the humanity and thus civil rights stolen from her by this exploitation, as is her right.

Are you going to provide her with the information she needs to write her own grievances and appeal amendments or whatever is needed with the appeal to get HER version of appeal in front of the appeals trial, as well as letters to the innocence commissions asking for assistance?

This is what is needed at this time if she is to gain back her civil and legal rights.; November 29, 2014 at 11:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Members of the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong, I believe, are some of the most courageous people in the state, because they lend their names and their faces to a righteous cause that is widely unpopular with the public because of contamination of the news that is broadcast and published by biased media-types… the big wigs in the upper echelons who determine what stories to follow, which stories to ignore, and what spin to give. Instead of remaining silent in the face of blatant anti-Nifong injustice, like most politicians, media outlets, and many civil rights organizations, members of the Committee speak loudly by their demonstration of courage. There are many ways to put it, but I like the saying attributed to President Abraham Lincoln who stated: “To sin by silence makes cowards of men.” One thing is certain… the members of our group, currently one shy of two dozen, are not cowards.; November 29, 2014 at 12:14 PM
Anonymous said...: I will give Mike Nifong the benefit of the doubt he never gave the innocent Duke lacrosse players.He probably did believe a gang rape happened when he first heard about it but after the DNA came back from the crime lab and he read the initial police reports of Mangum's wild,ridiculous,and contradictory stories he couldn't possibly have believed it.He went and got indictments anyway knowing the entire case was false.; November 29, 2014 at 1:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Darren Wilson / George Zimmerman 2016.That's the ticket.; November 29, 2014 at 1:29 PM
Anonymous said...: The Goal of the "Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong" is to see that former Durham District Attorney Michael B. Nifong receives the justice that was denied him by the State of North Carolina in 2007. Justice for Mr. Nifong includes, but is not limited to, the reinstatement of his license to practice law, without restrictions, in the State of North Carolina.

Events in 2006, which led to the singularly unique, excessive, and despicable actions by the State against Mr. Nifong, evolved from what was to become known as the Duke Lacrosse Case. At the heart of the matter, Durham District Attorney Nifong used the principle of "equal justice for all" in prosecuting three Duke University student athletes who came from families of wealth, status, and privilege. In spite of working well within the accepted standards practiced by other state prosecutors, Mr. Nifong was singled out and targeted by the North Carolina Attorney General's Office and the North Carolina State Bar (state agencies that follow the tenet of "selective justice based on Class and Color"). They zealously prosecuted and persecuted Mr. Nifong to set an example and to send the message to other state prosecutors that "in the state of North Carolina. class and color matter."

Although acts by other state prosecutors (withholding exculpatory evidence, fabricating evidence, fabricating false confessions, losing exculpatory evidence [including murder weapons], coercing false statements, fabricating false eyewitnesses, and charging without probable cause) are far more egregious than the alleged misconduct by Mr. Nifong in the Duke Lacrosse Case (withholding non-exculpatory evidence that had no relevance or advantage for the defense), and the injustice to the defendants of other state prosecutors (many years wrongly incarcerated, some on death row) is more severe than Mr. Nifong's Duke defendants (no jail time served, compensation of $1.5 to $1.7 million each by Duke University,and public proclamation of "innocent" by NC Attorney General Roy Cooper), the State elected to prosecute and persecute Mr. Nifong (including disbarment, and a jail sentence) while going the extra mile to shield other prosecutors' malfeasance and protect them from complaints of misconduct. The astonishing fact, which is most revealing, is that Mr. Nifong is the only North Carolina prosecutor to be disbarred by the North Carolina State Bar since its inception.

If equal justice for all is to exist in the State of North Carolina, the state must first see to it that Mike Nifong receives the justice that his professional career and true legacy embody.; November 29, 2014 at 5:57 PM
Anonymous said...: The three wrongly accused Duke students were prosecuted simply because of their politically incorrect skin color.They did not that night or at any other time in their lives commit a crime unlike Crystal Mangum who committed DUI,car theft,prostitution,arson,domestic violence,and has since been convicted of murder.Unfortunately in our feminist society women who make false rape accusation are rarely punished.The chance that a rogue prosecutor like Mike Nifong,who committed perjury during his disbarment proceedings,will ever be given his law license back is somewhere between zero and -100. In other words there's not a snowball's chance in hell.Not gonna happen.; November 29, 2014 at 9:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Mike Nifong's legacy - prosecuting innocent young men for a crime he knew had never happened.; November 29, 2014 at 9:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Mangum absolutely knows how to file bar complaints, and send letters, and the rest. The fact that she hasn't does make you wonder how much she supports what Sid is doing. He admits he doesn't ask her permission, at all, and the only confirmation we have of anything she allegedly tells Sid is Sid himself, and we know he's not honest - that he twists what he wants for his own goals.

Anyone who thinks Sid is trying to do anything other than stoke his own ego is as delusional and tin foil.; November 30, 2014 at 5:57 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 9:10 PM wrote: "Mike Nifong's legacy - prosecuting innocent young men for a crime he knew had never happened."

DING - DING - DING, ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

Walt-in-Durham; November 30, 2014 at 9:25 AM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "Unfortunately, that prosecutor lacked the integrity and courage of a Mike Nifong."

Nifong lacked both courage and integrity. He lied repeatedly to the media, he lied to the court and he lied to counsel. He prosecuted a case without probable cause. The fact that you think that a liar who prosecutes without probable cause and prosecutes innocents has courage and integrity speaks volumes about you and all those who agree with you.

Without respect,

Walt-in-Durham; November 30, 2014 at 9:29 AM
Anonymous said...: Get real Walt, you are talking about at least half the nation who believes, as did Mr. Nifong, that he had a case to prosecute.

Unfortunately, the investigation and evidence were questionable (to say the least).

... and yet you cheer on and condone the injustice of the current Mangum case, with a M.E. system currently bemoaned as the worst in the nation like in today's article in the News and Observer about the same. Something that harms all and is part of the bigger picture of how this state's justice system is broken and unjust. Yet, you cheer it on.

What does that say about you Walt?; November 30, 2014 at 10:19 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
What I find most amusing is that Sidney thinks so highly of himself that he thinks these folks are going to take a CD from a stranger, who is clearly a bit nuts, and plug it into their computers, not knowing what viruses or anything else they may contain, and watch several hours of videos/sharlogs that you cannot fast-forward through, or rewind through, so even if they did all of that, and saw something they wanted to point out, they'd have to sit back through another 20 minutes to show it to someone else.

I don't think most people with scrupulous and malicious agendas of planting viruses would give a CD with their identity on it. Besides most computers have anti-viral software.; November 30, 2014 at 12:19 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Does Ms. Mangum have access to the State Bar's Grievance Form so she can file complaints herself, starting with her current appeals attorney? Does she have a detailed medical narrative from you about the issues with the case as you detail in your sharlogs, to include what she believes should be appealed and why her current lawyer is remiss in her legal duties in conjunction with the medically detailed analysis, for the purpose of writing her own grievance?

I sent Mangum a copy of my grievance against Ann Petersen, and I sent her two forms (one for Petersen and one for Meier). To my knowledge I believe she sent in the grievance about Petersen, but I can't say for sure.; November 30, 2014 at 12:22 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

I think the justice system typically is more discrete when handling rape cases, due to possibilities of undue psychological damage, harm from stigma, fear, trauma, and societal pressures and customs and traditions, etc., imposed upon the alleged victim that could cause irreversable harm to the victim and their family and community, etc. Of course this does not always happen and the victim IS victimized, but the courts are aware of what they are doing and how to mitigate damages by now any reasonable citizen would assume. There is no excuse for Duke not knowing the harm they cause as they are well versed in all areas of the issues.

There seemed to be no safeguards put in place by Mr. Nifong in the handling of this case for the protection of Ms. Mangum, her family, nor her community. In essence, she could be perceived to have been exploited, and to have been made into an exploitable figure within the justice system beyond just that case. She has to fight for herself obviously in order to gain back the humanity and thus civil rights stolen from her by this exploitation, as is her right.

Are you going to provide her with the information she needs to write her own grievances and appeal amendments or whatever is needed with the appeal to get HER version of appeal in front of the appeals trial, as well as letters to the innocence commissions asking for assistance?

This is what is needed at this time if she is to gain back her civil and legal rights.

I don't really put much stock in the power of a grievance complaint with the State Bar. I have sent Mangum copies of my writings and correspondence, and grievance so that she can use them to help her draft her own complaint/grievance.; November 30, 2014 at 12:28 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
I will give Mike Nifong the benefit of the doubt he never gave the innocent Duke lacrosse players.He probably did believe a gang rape happened when he first heard about it but after the DNA came back from the crime lab and he read the initial police reports of Mangum's wild,ridiculous,and contradictory stories he couldn't possibly have believed it.He went and got indictments anyway knowing the entire case was false.

Mike Nifong did believe that something took place in the bathroom at the Buchanan house. When he determined that what he believed to be a sexual assault that did not include rape technically, he acted as a true minister of justice and took the initiative to drop the rape charge.

Like Mr. Nifong, I believe that a sexual assault did take place.; November 30, 2014 at 12:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Is there some reason, that I can ask about, that you keep avoiding my question about whether Ms. Mangum has the medical information she needs that you currently detail in sharlog/flog format on this blog?; November 30, 2014 at 12:38 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Mangum absolutely knows how to file bar complaints, and send letters, and the rest. The fact that she hasn't does make you wonder how much she supports what Sid is doing. He admits he doesn't ask her permission, at all, and the only confirmation we have of anything she allegedly tells Sid is Sid himself, and we know he's not honest - that he twists what he wants for his own goals.

Anyone who thinks Sid is trying to do anything other than stoke his own ego is as delusional and tin foil.

I advocate on behalf of Lennon Lacy, Erick Daniels, Shawn Massey, and many others and I don't ask their permission before writing a letter or producing a sharlog about their plights.

Besides, for more than a month I have been in regular contact by phone with Mangum. I am unable to visit her due to rules of man which prevent me from visiting her and Shan Carter.

As far as what I say, I speak the truth as I know it... never meant to mislead.

I advocate for those I know to be wrongly incarcerated rather than stand by and do nothing. Has nothing to do with ego-stroking.; November 30, 2014 at 12:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Did you also send the response back to you from the State Bar to Ms. Mangum? It gives a bit of further instruction of what they are looking for in a grievance that they will accept that may be useful to Ms. Mangum?; November 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Is there some reason, that I can ask about, that you keep avoiding my question about whether Ms. Mangum has the medical information she needs that you currently detail in sharlog/flog format on this blog?

She's had at one time or another all of the medical information presented in the prosecution discovery... because what I have is what she sent to me. I don't know if she currently has copies of the medical records with her, but she does have an understanding of what happened as I spoke with her on numerous occasions while she was out on bail as to the esophageal intubation being the proximate cause of Daye's death, etc. So I believe she has a pretty good understanding. I did my best to try and get her to study her case so that she had a full understanding of what transpired at Duke Hospital and the true cause of Daye's death.; November 30, 2014 at 12:44 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Did you also send the response back to you from the State Bar to Ms. Mangum? It gives a bit of further instruction of what they are looking for in a grievance that they will accept that may be useful to Ms. Mangum?

Yes. I did send a copy of the State Bar response to Mangum. I doubt whether or not it will do any good because I do not believe the Bar will conduct an investigation into Petersen no matter what Mangum complains.; November 30, 2014 at 12:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

I find it very frustrating, as a citizen witness to the current Mangum case as presented on this blog and in the news and filings, etc., to not know at this point when you are increasing distracted with other cases, whether or not Ms. Mangum has the medical analysis you provide in sharlog/flog format in a format that she can use while in jail to write her complaints/grievances/amendements/requests, etc.?

I am hoping you will answer this question soon. Thank you!; November 30, 2014 at 12:48 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Sid wrote: "Unfortunately, that prosecutor lacked the integrity and courage of a Mike Nifong."

Nifong lacked both courage and integrity. He lied repeatedly to the media, he lied to the court and he lied to counsel. He prosecuted a case without probable cause. The fact that you think that a liar who prosecutes without probable cause and prosecutes innocents has courage and integrity speaks volumes about you and all those who agree with you.

Without respect,

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt.

It has not been proven that Mr. Nifong or Ms. Mangum lied about anything. The same cannot be said for Dr. Clay Nichols who gave perjured testimony and produced a false and fraudulent autopsy report on Daye.

Furthermore, I believe that he had probable cause regarding the Duke Lacrosse case... much more so than prosecutors going after Mangum on trumped up charges of murder and larceny of chose in action.; November 30, 2014 at 12:51 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

I find it very frustrating, as a citizen witness to the current Mangum case as presented on this blog and in the news and filings, etc., to not know at this point when you are increasing distracted with other cases, whether or not Ms. Mangum has the medical analysis you provide in sharlog/flog format in a format that she can use while in jail to write her complaints/grievances/amendements/requests, etc.?

I am hoping you will answer this question soon. Thank you!

Less than two minutes left on the computer. I believe Mangum should have in her possession enough of my writings for her to draft or talk about the medical issues related to Daye and her case.; November 30, 2014 at 12:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

I think you should provide what you provide to the public to Ms. Mangum now, in a format that she can use to assist in her defense. It is what she has asked for, and I am sure she does not have your complete medical analysis between all 3 medical record and autopsy report sources, since she did not receive the 2nd autopsy report until the day she was reincarcerated. You do realize that right?

Why do I have more detailed analysis of the the case through viewing your sharlogs and flogs and listening to what you say on this blog than she does? It is NOT my case - it is hers.

Meant with all due respect, but you seem to have a negative attitude about her ability to defend herself that is not allowing you to truly assist her with what she asked you for, which is a complete medical analysis up to this point of the case that details the information she needs like you give to the public in you Sharlogs which includes all three current medical sources with your in-depth medical analysis layed-out and explained like in the sharlogs.; November 30, 2014 at 1:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Is it possible that you will please put together a written analysis that includes all the medical analysis, and anything else pertinent to the case, that you provide in your sharlogs about Ms. Mangum's case next? If I were her, I would want a copy in a format that I could view and use to assist in my own defense of EVERY sharlog you produce about her case. I think the information contained within is what she asked you for.

Why do you not seem to agree that she deserves and needs your immediate attention to provide her with the detailed analysis you have provided so many others (who can do NOTHING to help her except provide her with the same details by putting together something (without the jpegs) to resemble what you provide them in the sharlogs)?

Frustrating to say the least.; November 30, 2014 at 1:35 PM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "Hey, Walt.

It has not been proven that Mr. Nifong or Ms. Mangum lied about anything."

I was not writing about Crystal. Your ability to read for comprehension must be degrading. However, it has been proven that Nifong lied, not once, but twice. First, the State Bar proved at the Disciplinary Hearing Commission that he lied. Repeatedly lied. Second, he was found in contempt of court for his lies. While you are entitled to your own opinions, you are not entitled to your own set of facts.

As for Crystal, the number of mutually different stories she told about the events of March 13-14 2006 amply demonstrate her untruthfulness. Further, her tales are contradicted by the evidence. That was the finding of Special Prosecutors. Again, you are entitled to an opinion. But, you are not entitled to your own set of facts.

Walt-in-Durham; November 30, 2014 at 2:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 1:35, 1:03, 12:48, 12:42, 12:38,

I fully agree with you that Dr. Harr does not appear to trust Ms. Mangum to coordinate her appeal. As a result, he does not appear to provide her the information she needs in a format that is most convenient for her.

Frankly, I would advise Dr. Harr to abandon the sharlog format. Although his animated narration obviously complements his insight, the format simply requires too much time to prepare. Moreover, the format is inflexible. Readers are required listen to the entire presentation from start to finish, are not permitted to replay any portion to focus on the most important points and cannot print either the text or the attachments. A blog with links to the source material (provided in a form that could saved and/or printed) would permit readers to undertake their own research, both on and off line. In addition, hard copy format would be most convenient for Ms. Mangum, who may not always have internet access.

I have come to the conclusion that Dr. Harr's preoccupation with sharlogs demonstrates a fascination with glitz rather than substance.; November 30, 2014 at 2:34 PM
Anonymous said...: There was never any reason for Nifong or anyone else to believe an assault of any kind ever happened in the bathroom as no Duke lacrosse player was ever in the bathroom with Mangum nor would they ever have wanted to have sex with her.As AG Roy Cooper said at one point Magnum claimed she was suspended in mid air and as he explained in his 60 minutes interview he actually had been in the bathroom and it was very difficult to see how that could have happened.That's quite the understatement.; November 30, 2014 at 8:01 PM
Anonymous said...: The reason there was never any DNA or any other evidence against the Duke lacrosse players was because they never had any physical contact with her.Who would want to? The people who pretended they were guilty did so out of racial or gender hatred.Would Nifong have behaved the same way if a drunk white prostitute had falsely accused three innocent black men of the same crime? Of course not.There would have been no political payoff for doing that.; November 30, 2014 at 8:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

STILL frustrated with this case:

you said:

"She's had at one time or another all of the medical information presented in the prosecution discovery... because what I have is what she sent to me. I don't know if she currently has copies of the medical records with her, but she does have an understanding of what happened as I spoke with her on numerous occasions while she was out on bail as to the esophageal intubation being the proximate cause of Daye's death, etc. So I believe she has a pretty good understanding. I did my best to try and get her to study her case so that she had a full understanding of what transpired at Duke Hospital and the true cause of Daye's death."

1. Did you give her all the medical information in DETAIL that you have provided to the public in your sharlogs SINCE she received the 2nd autopsy report on the LAST day of trial? That is what she was waiting for, as that is what YOU kept telling her she needed. You developed an attitute because you misunderstood the situation with the receipt of the 2nd autopsy report in written form that you could use to verifiy your medical conclusions. She had to stand against Mr. Meier at the beginning of the trial to request of the judge that she receive the written autopsy report, which could not have helped her situation with Mr. Meier any. YOU did not go to the trial because you had a tude because you misunderstood and thought she was keeping the written report from you when she didn't have it to give to you. You had to be called out on that then. What's the deal?

2. Did you give her ANYTHING as detailed as the sharlogs you have produced since the trial that includes the 2nd autopsy report?

3. Now you say you know what is best for her, so you don't give her what you give everyone else in the sharlogs when it is HER case, she is the one who NEEDS the information, and much like the 2nd M.E., you refuse to give her a written detailed summary even though you give to any other who will take it in sharlog form asking them to help her when they can't, but she could help herself if you would just provide her the courtesy of less tude and more REAL help in the form of a written detailed medical analysis like you provide in the sharlogs.

4. In helping her: first things first with all due respect:
GIVE HER THE DETAILED MEDICAL INFORMATION in a written format like you outline and detail in the sharlogs that she can use to assist in her defense while she is in jail ASAP. Please and thank you.

5. What's up with all this? Why the tude? Is it permanent, or can it be immediately corrected to the greater good of truly helping Ms. Mangum get this case resolved in a just manner (at some point) by honing your energy to actually providing her with the medical information she needs in a format that she can understand and use? ???; November 30, 2014 at 11:28 PM
Anonymous said...: someone said:

"There would have been no political payoff for doing that."

they probably would have at that point - maybe with a republican agenda - but since the watch phrase of the day then and even now spouting from political lips has been and is something to the effect that the politics have to be 'sexy' in order to gain attention of any type. 'They' sure played that hype to the ground, and then some.; December 1, 2014 at 12:26 AM
Walt said...: I wrote earlier that I saw Lance's point about the prosecutor's conflict. While I do not see it as a conflict within the Rules of Professional Conduct, I am leaning toward Lance's view. There is a more thorough exposition at my blog: http://walt-in-durham.blogspot.com/2014/12/police-misconduct.html

Walt-in-Durham; December 1, 2014 at 12:48 PM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 10:19 AM wrote: "...What does that say about you Walt?"

I have written extensively about the problems with the 404(b) evidence in this case. An issue which you have refused to even engage. What that says is you lack the ability to read and understand let alone argue with any persuasion what so ever.

Walt-in-Durham; December 1, 2014 at 12:51 PM
Anonymous said...: What is there to argue about concerning that issue? Egad, so tell us what ya really think about what it says about you?; December 1, 2014 at 1:11 PM
guiowen said...: To the 1:11,
What's the point of discussing it with you? We all know how poor your reading comprehension is.; December 1, 2014 at 2:13 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Is it possible that you will please put together a written analysis that includes all the medical analysis, and anything else pertinent to the case, that you provide in your sharlogs about Ms. Mangum's case next? If I were her, I would want a copy in a format that I could view and use to assist in my own defense of EVERY sharlog you produce about her case. I think the information contained within is what she asked you for.

Why do you not seem to agree that she deserves and needs your immediate attention to provide her with the detailed analysis you have provided so many others (who can do NOTHING to help her except provide her with the same details by putting together something (without the jpegs) to resemble what you provide them in the sharlogs)?

Frustrating to say the least.

First of all, I did my best to get Crystal to study her case and encouraged her to represent herself in court, knowing that she would be sold out by any defense attorney.

Now she seems more intent on trying to get another lawyer than proceeding on her own, which I am not certain she is able to do. I believe my time can be better spent writing letters and producing sharlogs. If she does get another attorney, I would offer my help and work to him/her.; December 1, 2014 at 2:26 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

STILL frustrated with this case:

you said:

"She's had at one time or another all of the medical information presented in the prosecution discovery... because what I have is what she sent to me. I don't know if she currently has copies of the medical records with her, but she does have an understanding of what happened as I spoke with her on numerous occasions while she was out on bail as to the esophageal intubation being the proximate cause of Daye's death, etc. So I believe she has a pretty good understanding. I did my best to try and get her to study her case so that she had a full understanding of what transpired at Duke Hospital and the true cause of Daye's death."
etc.

I don't have tude towards Mangum. I'm working and have been working on her behalf for years. She never should've gave in to Meier when he pressured her not to have Dr. Roberts involved... even though Dr. Roberts was a sell out, too. Meier and Roberts both tried to shield Duke Hospital from responsibility for Daye's death.

But whatever I do, the legal imbroglio in which she's been placed is such that even she has little control over it.; December 1, 2014 at 2:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

If you are not providing her with the in-depth analysis like you have provided to the public since the trial, than WHAT does she have as understanding of her case to represent herself that matches anything in detail and explanation that you provide to others in your sharlogs?

Perhaps she insists on a lawyer because not only is it her legal right to be represented by legal council in this trial, but she has a slew of negative expectations, biases, prejudices, etc. and the withholding of information and informed assistance from her lawyers and others to contend with when being assisted. I can imagine it must seem very overwhelming to her, as it would to anyone, to be faced with what she is dealing with in the justice system, and then also get an attitude that she should be able to be her own lawyer when she has no legal council she can trust to rely on.; December 1, 2014 at 11:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

In essence, Ms. Mangum is acting as her own lawyer by insisting that her rights to be represented by a competent non-conflicted nor biased lawyer be upheld. In that regard, have you informed her that you have an updated detailed medical analysis of her case, that it is currently outlined in sharlog form, and asked her if she needs this information provided to her ASAP in a form she can receive, view, understand and use for further filings and communications as she continues to assist in her own defense as her own lawyer, (even if by simply insisting that her right to capable and non-conflicted legal council and assistance be upheld)?; December 2, 2014 at 12:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

If she had this detailed medical analysis and explanation of the issues of this case like you provide in your sharlogs in a paper format that she could submit to her lawyers, then they would have NO reason to get the date of death, (at the least), and all other details, arguments, and filings wrong in the future. This is why I keep insisting you do this for her next as an obvious need that she has and one that you could provide real assistance to her immediately. You do understand this right?; December 2, 2014 at 1:27 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: I just spoke with Crystal less than an hour ago, and I believe that things are looking good for her legal-wise. Don't want to jinx anything, so I'm not going to discuss it.

Work is coming along on the next sharlog... it's all been narrated and I'm in the process of putting images and animation to it. Also am busy writing letters. Have mailed six since Monday.

Schedule deprives me of time to spend with comments on this site, but will devote more time once the next sharlog is posted.; December 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Mangum's murder conviction being overturned is about as likely as Mike Nifong being given his law license back.It will never happen.Crystal should be glad she got a very lenient gender based sentence.A man who killed a woman would be in for life.; December 4, 2014 at 3:20 PM
Anonymous said...: You can't get life for what she was convicted of ... Second degree.; December 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Mangum's murder conviction being overturned is about as likely as Mike Nifong being given his law license back.It will never happen.Crystal should be glad she got a very lenient gender based sentence.A man who killed a woman would be in for life.

I believe both are possible and likely, although having Mike Nifong's law license reinstated is significantly more challenging. I expect Mangum's release and her conviction overturned within a relatively short period of time... optimistically speaking of months. As I have stated before, I am shocked that she has been incarcerated as long as she has.; December 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM
guiowen said...: Actually, according to Wikipedia, the penalty for second degree murder in NC is 144 months to life without parole.; December 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Actually, according to Wikipedia, the penalty for second degree murder in NC is 144 months to life without parole.

That depends on your prior record level - to get LWOP for 2nd Degree (which is now a B1 felony), you would have to be sentenced in the aggravated range, and be a prior record level of at least 5 (there are 6 levels).

When Crystal was sentenced, she was a Level 2, and 2nd Degree Murder was a B2. There was no way she could have gotten LWOP. The State did not present any aggravating factors, so she was sentenced in the presumptive range of 170 minimum to 213 maximum. The maximum possible sentence she could have received, had the Judge sentenced her in the aggravated range would have been 225 months minimum to 279 months maximum (how you behave in prison determines how close to the minimum you serve).

So, you would have to have a fairly bad prior record to even be eligible for LWOP for 2nd Degree Murder, and even then it would have to be an aggravated sentence.; December 5, 2014 at 1:49 PM
Anonymous said...: A man would have been convicted of first degree murder.That was my point.Less than 5 per cent of convictions are overturned and it will never happen for someone like Crystal Mangum.By the way the UVA gang rape story published in Rolling Stone turned to be fake just like the lacrosse case.When will people learn?; December 5, 2014 at 2:43 PM
Anonymous said...: oh, i see

so, since durham / duke judicial system is so fracked up to the point where these allegations exist,

but people like you insist that they don't because of various reasons,

yet because of the fracked up system that cannot be accessed due to lack of viable lawyers, judges, and da's, sbi, etc. by any to insure a balance of power with duke in durham and to prove or disprove these serious allegations,

that distrusting durham / duke / and the system is not based on the fact of the obvious and clear presentation and existance of this fracked up system that cannot be trusted to deliver services that do not harm in malicious and intentional and professionally negligent manners ...

yeah right blah blah blah; December 6, 2014 at 6:06 AM
Anonymous said...: g ... i've already told you to stop copy and pasting posts that aren't even yours and then sitting there and trolling what you just posted.

seriously

get over yourself

troll doesn't even describe what you do any more g ... since you are seriously evil

DO NOT TROLL ME IN ANY WAY AT ALL AGAIN

thanks

blah blah blah; December 6, 2014 at 3:14 PM
guiowen said...: To the 3:14,
Please mind your manners.; December 6, 2014 at 3:25 PM
Anonymous said...: What the frack G there you go again with your trolling and little miss manners bs

Blah blah blah; December 6, 2014 at 5:55 PM
guiowen said...: Is there any way we can get you to stop whining?; December 6, 2014 at 6:53 PM
Anonymous said...: what the frack g ...

what is your problem?; December 6, 2014 at 7:30 PM
Anonymous said...: What the frack is going on with all this fracking going on?; December 6, 2014 at 8:48 PM
Anonymous said...: stop trolling me and copying my posts and acting like an evil duke troll; December 7, 2014 at 5:40 AM
Kilgo said...: where is kenhyderal? i have important information for him.; December 7, 2014 at 8:53 AM
Anonymous said...: I'm sorry, Kilgo. Kenny's been hiding for the last six months. I've tried to persuade him to come to NC, but he just can't seem to make up his mind.
On the other hand, Tinfoil Hat is trying to fill Kenny's shoes.; December 7, 2014 at 11:20 AM
Anonymous said...: Great. I came here looking to get shlogged and all I get are these whacky assed evil blogmongers with their hate filled blogdroppings. I guess I am going to have to shlog myself.; December 7, 2014 at 11:52 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
A man would have been convicted of first degree murder.That was my point.Less than 5 per cent of convictions are overturned and it will never happen for someone like Crystal Mangum.By the way the UVA gang rape story published in Rolling Stone turned to be fake just like the lacrosse case.When will people learn?

There is a big difference between the UVA story in Rolling Stone and the Duke Lacrosse case. For one, the event that allegedly took place at UVA is not confirmed to have even taken place or the victim to have even been at the frat house. In the Duke Lacrosse case, Mangum was at the beer-guzzling party which is documented to have taken place.

The reason Mangum's conviction will be overturned is because it is based on a fraudulent and false autopsy report and perjured testimony. Also, it is clear that the stab wound, which was treated successfully was not the proximate cause of Daye's death... the esophageal intubation was.; December 7, 2014 at 12:36 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Also, regarding the previous comment, the prosecution charged Mangum with first degree murder, but they never even tried to use the larceny of chose in action felony charge in their case. There was no mention of the "larceny." She never should have been charged with murder, much less first degree. The case against Mangum is a travesty.; December 7, 2014 at 12:40 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: I updated my correspondence... which includes a December 4, 2014 response to a letter dated November 25, 2014. The response can be found at the end of the November 25, 2014 letter.

Updating the correspondence took more energy than I thought, and has therefore slowed the next sharlog. However, all attention will be given to completing it now.

In the future, I will probably update the correspondence on a monthly or every two week period depending on how busy I am. I recognized that one of the buttons to return to the blog site doesn't seem to work. Will work on the minor glitches.; December 7, 2014 at 12:44 PM
Anonymous said...: The reason Mangum's conviction will be overturned is because it is based on a fraudulent and false autopsy report and perjured testimony. Also, it is clear that the stab wound, which was treated successfully was not the proximate cause of Daye's death... the esophageal intubation was.

Except that still isn't guilty or not guilty - that is only degree - the only way to get not guilty is Self-Defense, which was fully litigated (even you haven't really identified anything admissible there to be added) and rejected. So, she will still be a convicted felon.; December 7, 2014 at 2:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid - one reason no one you write to will take you seriously is you continue to lie and show you have no regard for the truth. You continue to mention the Larceny of Chose in Action as Felony Murder, even though it has conclusively been shown to you that they cannot constitute felony murder, and were not in this case.

You continue to push things you know are completely and totally wrong, and wonder why everyone disregards everything you say.; December 7, 2014 at 2:11 PM
Anonymous said...: The State's reply brief in the Appeal is online. Let us know what you think Sid.; December 8, 2014 at 1:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey Anonymous @ 1:22 pm:

Can you post the link to the States brief?

Thanks!; December 8, 2014 at 3:00 PM
Walt said...: You can find the State's brief at: http://www.ncappellatecourts.org/show-file.php?document_id=163918

You can find Mangum's brief at: http://www.ncappellatecourts.org/show-file.php?document_id=160907

Walt-in-Durham; December 8, 2014 at 4:31 PM
Anonymous said...: betcha duke is feelin' damn proud of themselves now - what a bunch of evil sheatheads; December 8, 2014 at 5:26 PM
Walt said...: I have a posting in more detail discussing the issue raised in Crystal's brief and the State's response. You can find it at: http://walt-in-durham.blogspot.com/2014/12/mangum-appeal-briefs-are-filed.html

Walt-in-Durham; December 8, 2014 at 5:28 PM
Anonymous said...: blah

you are a joke with what you said on this blog about this case Walt, an evil sheathead joke at that; December 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

Isn't there another blog you can enshitten with your whacky blog droppings?

blah; December 8, 2014 at 5:40 PM
Anonymous said...: blah back to ya evil sheathead duke troll; December 8, 2014 at 5:42 PM
guiowen said...: Tinfoil,
Is there any way we can persuade you to mind your manners?; December 8, 2014 at 5:58 PM
Anonymous said...: What the frack g there you go again with your trolling and little miss manners bs

blah blah blah

blah blah blah; December 8, 2014 at 6:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 5:33 said: you are a joke with what you said on this blog about this case Walt, an evil sheathead joke at that

Please provide elucidation. When you refer to someone as a "sheathead joke" it would be helpful to explain exactly WHY you believe that person is a "sheathead joke."; December 8, 2014 at 6:16 PM
Anonymous said...: you are a sheathead joke you evil duke troll

blah; December 8, 2014 at 6:24 PM
Anonymous said...: duke friggin' kills Mr. Daye with avoidable,preventable,nonrelated malpractice, (that THEY document themselves in their medical reports), and frames the obviously excessively abused victim in the case whom they have a well known issue with for murder with the malicious assistance and knowledge of the justice system, and all ya'll can beeach about is manners and explaining why exactly others may think they are sheathead jokes ... THAT's duke - THAT's what they are (nice example of what duke is evil duke troll its)

evil killing, raping, exploiting sheathead jokesters - their brand; December 8, 2014 at 6:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

Duke was very supportive of Mangum's rape accusations. They rallied behind her and came down hard on their own students, in violation of school policy. What issues do you imagine they had with her?

Please try to be civil in your reply.; December 8, 2014 at 7:16 PM
Anonymous said...: They didn't support her - they supported their own agendas ONLY.; December 8, 2014 at 7:29 PM
Anonymous said...: don't patronize me again stupid evil sheathead duke troll it

blah to your evil duke agendas and patronizing 'be civil' bs

think for yourself for a friggin' change - how stupid are you really?

exploited her is more like it btw; December 8, 2014 at 7:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

I am not feeling the love.; December 8, 2014 at 9:00 PM
Anonymous said...: What kind of illness besets a person when they think they should 'feel the love' from strangers on internet blog discussions, and even make it part of their trolling patronizing demands?

As much hate as ya'll dish on this blog - and yet ya whine about not 'feeling the love' from any not in your evil duke troll gang or groupie dukeit patrol?

???; December 9, 2014 at 2:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Next there will be a News and Observer series on how bankrupt and broken the appeals court is of lawyers. The appeals court will respond by demanding millions more to be trained in how to provide legal assistance to the poor and disinfranchised and the political victims and victims of 'the' bankrupt and broken system without conflict, bias, nor prejudice and discrimination. Ethics and morality refresher courses designed to rid the justice system of their lies, coverups, and misrepresentations will top the list of what they request when their plight is revealed.; December 9, 2014 at 3:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

You are the only one dishing hate on this blog. The rest of us are civil and are able to get along with each other and engage in civil conversation. You should follow suit or find another blog to befoul with your vile posts.; December 9, 2014 at 6:21 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 5:33, that was quite a temper-tantrum. You really should try and form a cogent argument someday. You will find you are much more persuasive. :-)

Walt-in-Durham; December 9, 2014 at 6:38 AM
Anonymous said...: One, two, three and to the fo'
Walt Dogg and Dr. G at the do'
Ready to make an entrance, so back on up
(Cause you know they 'bout had to rip shit up)
Give Walt the microphone first, so he can bust like a bubble
Raleigh and Durham together, now you know you in trouble
Ain't nothin' but a G thang, baaaaabay!
Two loc'ed out G's so we're craaaaazay!
J4N is the blog that paaaaays me!
Unfadable, so please don't try to fade this (Hell yeah)

But, uh, back to the lecture at hand
Perfection is perfected, so I'm 'a let 'em understand
From a young G's perspective
And before me dig out a bitch I have ta' find a contraceptive
You never know she could be earnin' her man,
And learnin' her man, and at the same time burnin' her man
Now you know I ain't wit that shit, Lieutenant
Ain't no pussy good enough to get burnt while I'm up in it
(yeah) Now that's realer than real-deal Holyfield
And now all you hookas and ho's know how I feel
Well if it's good enough to get broke off a proper chunk
I'll take a small piece of some of that funky stuff

It's like this and like that and like this and uh
It's like that and like this and like that and uh
It's like this and like that and like this and uh
G, creep to the mic like a phantom

Well I'm peepin', and I'm creepin', and I'm creep-in'
But I damn near got caught, 'cause my beeper kept beepin'
Now it's time for me to make my impression felt
So sit back, relax, and strap on your seatbelt
You never been on a ride like this befo'
With a producer who can rap and control the maestro
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To add to my collection, the selection
Symbolizes dope, take a toke, but don't choke
If ya' do, ya' have no clue
O' what me and my homey Walt Dogg came to do

*With sincerest apologies to Dr. Dre...; December 9, 2014 at 6:47 AM
Anonymous said...: yeah Walt? like i should 'be' a lawyer and argue for fun and sport like ya'll regardless of right or wrong or law, ethics, nor justice?

... no thanks

blah; December 9, 2014 at 7:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

Youy don't have to be a lawyer, but you should try to be coherent and civil. Your rants haven't persuaded anyone and they haven't gotten Mangum any closer to be released from prison.; December 9, 2014 at 9:42 AM
guiowen said...: Tin Foil,
I realize you enjoy insulting everybody here who doesn't agree with you. If that's what you like, there's nothing any of us can do to stop you.
I should point out, however, that it's thanks to you and people of your ilk that this has been labeled a hate site. This doesn't particularly affect most of us, but it does mean that Sidney Harr cannot use the internet at his residence. Consequently he has to take a bus, and go to the library, where he has a limited amount of time on the computer.
Perhaps you hadn't noticed this; perhaps this is, in part, what makes you so happy. In any case, I want you to be aware of this.; December 9, 2014 at 11:24 AM
Anonymous said...: your an evil sheathead duke troll it g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger g...

YOU are the one who is the hatemonger blogmonger ... get real

you troll and annoy just to blame others for your own shortcomings and evilness cuz ... well ... that's what duke does ... and that's you ... right? no one is fooled by your evil obnoxious trolling ... except you perhaps?; December 9, 2014 at 11:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Who labelled it a hate site, and why does that affect where it can be accessed? Sid has never claimed that is a reason he can't access it from home - he has always said he simply doesn't have Internet access from home.; December 9, 2014 at 12:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

Where's the love?; December 9, 2014 at 1:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

Who labelled it a hate site, and why does that affect where it can be accessed? Sid has never claimed that is a reason he can't access it from home - he has always said he simply doesn't have Internet access from home.

Sid lives in subsidized housing the people who use the computer room their have blocked Sid from using the internet because of his justice4nifong site. So, community that he lives in calls Sid's justice4nifong site a hate site. That is why Sid travels to the library.; December 9, 2014 at 1:33 PM
Lance the Intern said...: Hey Walt -- Thanks for the links and the detailed analysis on your blog.

I recommend it to everyone following this blog.; December 10, 2014 at 8:02 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
You can find the State's brief at: http://www.ncappellatecourts.org/show-file.php?document_id=163918

You can find Mangum's brief at: http://www.ncappellatecourts.org/show-file.php?document_id=160907

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt.

Thanks for the links. I will download them immediately. Although my next sharlog is about Dr. Roberts, I do plan on following it up with comments about the appeals.; December 10, 2014 at 12:25 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: guiowen said...
Tin Foil,
I realize you enjoy insulting everybody here who doesn't agree with you. If that's what you like, there's nothing any of us can do to stop you.
I should point out, however, that it's thanks to you and people of your ilk that this has been labeled a hate site. This doesn't particularly affect most of us, but it does mean that Sidney Harr cannot use the internet at his residence. Consequently he has to take a bus, and go to the library, where he has a limited amount of time on the computer.
Perhaps you hadn't noticed this; perhaps this is, in part, what makes you so happy. In any case, I want you to be aware of this.

gui, mon ami,

Just wanted to let you know that you're absolutely correct. I cannot access my blog site at the senior citizen residence where I reside because it has been unjustly labeled as a hate-site. Fortunately, there is no such restriction at the library.

I have no problem walking to the library every day or so... good exercise as it is a little over two miles round trip.; December 10, 2014 at 12:35 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sid - one reason no one you write to will take you seriously is you continue to lie and show you have no regard for the truth. You continue to mention the Larceny of Chose in Action as Felony Murder, even though it has conclusively been shown to you that they cannot constitute felony murder, and were not in this case.

You continue to push things you know are completely and totally wrong, and wonder why everyone disregards everything you say.

Why else do you think they charged her with Larceny of chose in action at the same time they charged her with first degree murder? At trial the prosecution didn't even argue the larceny charge, however, larceny of chose in action is an automatic Class H felony, and it can be applied with the "felony-murder rule."; December 10, 2014 at 12:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Why else do you think they charged her with Larceny of chose in action at the same time they charged her with first degree murder? At trial the prosecution didn't even argue the larceny charge, however, larceny of chose in action is an automatic Class H felony, and it can be applied with the "felony-murder rule."

That has been answered before, and it has been clearly shown to you with the statutes that Larceny cannot be the basis for felony murder - your refusal to listen, and acknowledge the prior, detailed, posts on the subject prove my point, and show why no one with any position of authority or legal training is willing to take you seriously, because you show you aren't interested in learning/listening, you just assume you are right, and ignore everything else. That's not the way to persuade anyone, or prove a point.; December 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Is Ms. Mangum actually counting on you to assist her with this case? I mean, does she actually wait to do anything until she hears from you, gets advice from you, or waits for you to provide her with information or direction, or for you to do some kind of magic legal rescue with your sharlogs, grievances, and mailings?; December 10, 2014 at 2:20 PM
Anonymous said...: When was the site labeled a hate site? Hate crimes have been commited against anyone and everyone not in the evil duke troll gang or their groupie dukeit patrol since I personally first visited this blog, so why do you thank g..., Dr. Harr, for accussing others of defending themselves agaist the constant obnoxious trolling when g... itself is the worst evil duke troll? It trolled kenydrle off the blog with its constant cut and paste trolling, and it does the same thing to others. So seriously, why do you support it when everyone asks g... to stop its evil duke trolling continuously?; December 10, 2014 at 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...: What the frack g you are a sheathead joke and an evil duke troll. stop trolling me.

blah blah blah; December 10, 2014 at 4:52 PM
Anonymous said...: the last post curtesy the evil duke troll it g...

...

and the trolling continues g...

... whine on and demand manners from yourself again, and again, and again g... (again)

blah; December 10, 2014 at 5:04 PM
Anonymous said...: When was the site labeled a hate site? Hate crimes have been commited against anyone and everyone not in the evil tinfoil hat troll gang or their groupie tinfoilit patrol since I personally first visited this blog, so why do you thank tinfoil..., Dr. Harr, for accussing others of defending themselves agaist the constant obnoxious trolling when tinfoil hat ... itself is the worst evil tinfoil troll? It trolled kenydrle off the blog with its constant cut and paste trolling, and it does the same thing to others. So seriously, why do you support it when everyone asks tinfoil hat... to stop its evil tinfoil trolling continuously?; December 10, 2014 at 5:07 PM
Anonymous said...: the last post curtesy the evil tinfoil hat troll it tinfoil...

...

and the trolling continues tinfoil hat...

... whine on and demand manners from yourself again, and again, and again tinfoil hat... (again)

blah; December 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Don't patronize me again stupid evil sheathead duke troll it. Hate crimes are being commited against anyone and everyone not in the evil duke troll gang.

blah to your evil duke agendas and patronizing 'be civil' bs.

blah

blah

blah; December 10, 2014 at 5:11 PM
Anonymous said...: Don't patronize me again stupid evil sheathead tinfoil hat troll it. Hate crimes are being commited against anyone and everyone not in the evil tinfoil hat troll gang.

blah to your evil tinfoil agendas and patronizing 'be civil' bs.

blah

blah

blah; December 10, 2014 at 6:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Nobody ever raped Crystal Mangum.Even Bill Cosby wouldn't stoop that low.; December 10, 2014 at 9:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Jackie Coakley,the fake gang rape accuser at UVA,was only assaulted in her imagination just like Crystal Mangum.; December 10, 2014 at 9:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Where have all the gang rapes gone? Long time passing. Where have the gang rapes gone? A long,long time ago.When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn? (They're all fake); December 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Is Ms. Mangum actually counting on you to assist her with this case? I mean, does she actually wait to do anything until she hears from you, gets advice from you, or waits for you to provide her with information or direction, or for you to do some kind of magic legal rescue with your sharlogs, grievances, and mailings?

I would not quite put it that way. As you know, she's been incarcerated post conviction for more than a year and she has never even seen her appeals attorney in person... has spoken to her a handful of times on the phone, and has received two or three pieces of correspondence from her.

She knows I've been trying to help her, and if there are some non-lawyerly suggestions I give them. If I request something from her to help me advocate for her she usually responds. If she wants me to do something (like contact someone or get a copy of a document, for example, I will do it). She doesn't act like a robot reacting to my commands. We both work together in trying to effect her release and see that she finally gets justice.

Let me know if more elucidation is required.; December 11, 2014 at 7:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Why didn't Ms. Mangum file an admendment or motion of complaint or something to get her real appeal before the appeals court after discovering that the current appeals lawyer was not filing an appeal she agreed with?; December 11, 2014 at 1:37 PM
Lance the Intern said...: Did I miss something somewhere? Did Crystal Mangum actually state that she did not agree with her current appeal? Did stated earlier that things were looking good for her from a legal standpoint....; December 11, 2014 at 5:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Is it possible that you can provide a paper version of in-depth medical analysis between the three medical report sources in Ms. Mangum's case to Ms. Mangum ASAP? The report should mirror the in-depth analysis that you provided to the public in your sharlogs and explanations on the blog. It should also explain in-depth explanation of conclusions you draw for the crimes, (legal, civil and judicial), that applies as you have charged here on this blog, as well as others as they apply.

If you did this, then you would be assured of having providing the medical analysis defense assistance that Ms. Mangum asked you for which you agreed to provide to her, and which only you can provide at this critical point in time.

Will you do it? If not, why not?; December 12, 2014 at 3:07 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 3:07 wrote: "Is it possible that you can provide a paper version of in-depth medical analysis between the three medical report sources in Ms. Mangum's case to Ms. Mangum ASAP?"

Crystal has conceded the medical issue. Her own expert agrees with the Medical Examiner's testimony that Daye's death was the result of a stab wound inflicted by Crystal Mangum. There is no contrary evidence in the record. Sid's musings, while entertaining, have nothing to do with the criminal case. The 404(b) evidence does. If you were serious, you would be looking at 404(b) and making your argument there.

Walt-in-Durham; December 12, 2014 at 6:12 AM
Anonymous said...: In addition - Crystal's goal is to avoid any kind of conviction - and as everyone but Sid has acknowledged, the medical testimony/events at Duke do not go towards guilty/not guilty but only murder v manslaughter.

Sid got Crystal obsessed with the medical issues and the bogus felony murder, so she ignored what would actually set her free - and Sid is continuing to do that because he has his own agenda, and doesn't care about her.

Plus, the medical evidence is not something the Court of Appeals could/would rule on - they don't hear new evidence, they look for mistakes of law. But, again, that has been discussed here repeatedly, but since it doesn't fit Sid's worldview/agenda, nor that of his lemmings, it is consistently ignored and we get the same inane drivel about why it isn't being presented to the Court.; December 12, 2014 at 6:27 AM
Anonymous said...: As for Sid's "in-depth" analysis - remember, Crystal had an expert look at the medical issues - and she noted issues with the autopsy, but ultimately agreed Sid was wrong in his conclusions, and that the stabbing was at least a proximate cause.

Sid just can't admit he's wrong (he's still flogging about the felony murder rule, which isn't in play, and Daye's record, which is inadmissible). Sid is an egotistical narcissist, and that's why he has failed at everything he's tried in life - he refuses to adapt to reality.; December 12, 2014 at 6:29 AM
Anonymous said...: Walt, Dr. Harr's entire argument in this case has been about the discrepancies between the Duke medical reports and the NC M.E. Dr. Nichols who was fired. His argument was never about 404b evidence, one way or the other.

As a citizen, my concern was never about 404b evidence, but about the inability to trust Duke's medical services, the threat of death by malpractice at Duke, and the corruption and criminal injustice of the judicial system and the M.E. system, etc.

None of the issues in these arguments about concerns that effect all NC citizens, (whether they are aware of it or not), have been resolved in this case yet, and Ms. Mangum remains falsly accussed and imprisoned for a death wrought at the hands of Duke's medical malpractice.

The proximate cause of death was medical malpractice, which was the 100% cause of death by brain death induced by lack of oxygen during faulty intubation procedures performed during a nonessential medical test as documented in Duke's medical records. That is a fact with supportable evidence and carries with it a threat of death and harm that IS the problem in this case and a concern for all NC citizens.; December 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM
Anonymous said...: What the frack is going on with all this fracking going on?; December 13, 2014 at 6:20 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

The proximate cause of death was medical malpractice, which was the 100% cause of death by brain death induced by lack of oxygen during faulty intubation procedures performed during a nonessential medical test as documented in Duke's medical records. That is a fact with supportable evidence and carries with it a threat of death and harm that IS the problem in this case and a concern for all NC citizens.

You need to then get a lawyer or present your case to The Innocence Project(or similar group) so this evidence can be used to free Magnum. As Sid always quotes in his sharlogs:

The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.; December 13, 2014 at 7:32 AM
THE GREAT KILGO said...: SIDNEY

WHERE IS KENHYDERAL? I HAVE IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR HIM.; December 13, 2014 at 7:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

In case you miss it, there is a current CNN video story about the Lennon Lacy case that includes quite a bit about the autopsy reports between Dr. Roberts and Dr. Radisch entitled:

newday-blackwell-nc-teen-hanging.cnn.html; December 14, 2014 at 7:20 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

In case you miss it, there is a current CNN video story about the Lennon Lacy case that includes quite a bit about the autopsy reports between Dr. Roberts and Dr. Radisch entitled:

newday-blackwell-nc-teen-hanging.cnn.html

Thanks a lot. I'll download it. As I don't have cable, I miss everything on CNN... but will look at this now.; December 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Walt, Dr. Harr's entire argument in this case has been about the discrepancies between the Duke medical reports and the NC M.E. Dr. Nichols who was fired. His argument was never about 404b evidence, one way or the other.

As a citizen, my concern was never about 404b evidence, but about the inability to trust Duke's medical services, the threat of death by malpractice at Duke, and the corruption and criminal injustice of the judicial system and the M.E. system, etc.

None of the issues in these arguments about concerns that effect all NC citizens, (whether they are aware of it or not), have been resolved in this case yet, and Ms. Mangum remains falsly accussed and imprisoned for a death wrought at the hands of Duke's medical malpractice.

The proximate cause of death was medical malpractice, which was the 100% cause of death by brain death induced by lack of oxygen during faulty intubation procedures performed during a nonessential medical test as documented in Duke's medical records. That is a fact with supportable evidence and carries with it a threat of death and harm that IS the problem in this case and a concern for all NC citizens.

You are absolutely correct!; December 14, 2014 at 12:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid,

What was the "nonessential medical test as documented in Duke's medical records" to which the post refers? You must know exactly what the nonessential medical test is because you said the post was "absolutely correct."

Please describe the test and provide the reference in the medical records.

Thanks.; December 14, 2014 at 12:43 PM
Anonymous said...: The nonessential medical test was the one which made the faulty intubation procedure neccessary. There was no real reason given for the test in the records, and if an infection was in question, blood or other noninvasive tests to confirm an infection would have been more appropriate and would not have carried the same risk of death as the procedure that was choosen to be performed on Mr. Daye which led to his brain death and ultimate death. There is no clear indication in the records as to why that procedure was choosen, but there are less risky xray procedures that are readily available to Duke. And, if that procedure was necessary for some unknown reason, safety precautions should have been taken before the procedure was started to insure a heavily sedated and immobilized Mr. Daye did not die from the procedure (which was not done).; December 14, 2014 at 1:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

The article about Lennon Lacy was found on the on-line news version of CNN.; December 14, 2014 at 1:40 PM
Anonymous said...: I was not aware that Duke was conducting a nonessential test on Daye. Why didn't Sid ever discuss that?; December 14, 2014 at 1:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

If you are not going to provide a paper version of what your sharlogs detail between the 3 medical record sources, how do you seriously expect Ms. Mangum to be able to communicate in medical terms and with medical knowledge that which you have communicated to the public about the discrepancies and issues since her reincarceration in her Appeal attempts?

???; December 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr has discussed the issue on the blog, not in great detail, but he has discussed it.; December 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 1:33:

Can you provide a specific reference in the medical records to the nonessential test being conducted? Thanks.; December 14, 2014 at 1:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Duke Hosp. has a subway (re: trains) in their hospital to get around, so you can be certain they have ALL the latest and greatest xray equipment that makes the xray procedure choosen look like something out of the dark ages.; December 14, 2014 at 1:54 PM
Anonymous said...: um no, I am not a whiz at the sharlogs ... perhaps Dr. Harr can help.; December 14, 2014 at 1:56 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 1:50:

Sid hasn't really discussed a nonessential test.

He ignored almost completely any discussion of why the Duke medical professionals concluded that they needed to intubate Daye. More recently, Sid has concluded that treatment for delirium tremens required the intubation, but he has steadfastly refused to provide specific evidence to support his conclusion that the intubation was not indirectly a result of the stabbing (I understand that trauma can exacerbate delirium tremens).

I trust you can understand why a reader would react skeptically to anything Sid says (trust, but verify).

After all, Sid has shown himself to be a liar.

Sid claims that the failure to find DNA from the accused was not exculpatory. As you know, Mangum alleged a rape in which the alleged attackers ejaculated and did not use condoms (with one ejaculating in her mouth, whereupon she spit it out).

Someone, particularly a doctor, who makes such a preposterous claim can only be a liar.; December 14, 2014 at 2:05 PM
Anonymous said...: you don't know what you are talking about and you are very rude about it to boot

blah; December 14, 2014 at 2:32 PM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 11:44 AM wrote: "As a citizen, my concern was never about 404b evidence,..."

It should be. 404(b) evidence is used in courts across this state to bring in evidence of prior bad acts that invariably harms the chances for a defendant to get a fair trial.

"... but about the inability to trust Duke's medical services, the threat of death by malpractice at Duke, and the corruption and criminal injustice of the judicial system and the M.E. system, etc."

Those are not a concern in this case as there is no evidence of any such corruption.

"Ms. Mangum remains falsly accussed and imprisoned for a death wrought at the hands of Duke's medical malpractice."

No, she was not nor is falsely accused. Duke's malpractice did not kill Daye, all the medical experts say he was killed as a proximate result of Crystal stabbing him. If you were serious, you would understand this point.

"The proximate cause of death was medical malpractice,...."

No, the proximate cause was a stabbing. Crystal's own independent medical examiner agreed with the Coroner's findings.

"...[medical malpractice] IS the problem in this case and a concern for all NC citizens."

No, it is not. First, there is no evidence of medical malpractice. Second, medical malpractice, is not an intervening cause unless it is the sole cause of death. The un-controverted evidence shows the sole cause of death was a stab wound inflicted by Crystal. Third, if you were at all serious about the cause of justice you would be concerned with the 404(b) evidence. That you are not, shows how truly empty your criticisms are.

Walt-in-Durham; December 14, 2014 at 2:47 PM
Anonymous said...: No Walt if you were a serious professional lawyer, (that you say you are), you would not be on this blog totally disregarding the evidence and all the discussions on this blog and as detailed in the sharlogs like you are right with absolutely no evidence just because you are Walt, and the entire argument based on evidence and the trial and case so far (as well as other cases highlighting issues with the M.E. system) are wrong (because they do not agree with your pro Duke and the NC justice system conflicts of interest and biases for them and against Ms. Mangum - which you have made very clear on this blog to date). So, truly, you are wrong.; December 14, 2014 at 3:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Both Nichols and Roberts concluded that Daye's death was an indirect result of the stabbing. In other words, they concluded that the intubation was required due to a complication from the stabbing. Neither explained the complication.

Sid and others have alleged that there was no complication from the stabbing that required intubation. For a couple of years, Sid essentially ignored this question despite its importance in the legal analysis. Recently, he has alleged treatment for the DTs required intubation, but has ignored questions about whether the trauma from the stabbing triggered or exacerbated the DTs. Another poster has alleged that Duke was conducting a completely unrelated test.

Sid and others steadfastly refuse to provide evidence to support these claims.

What evidence is Walt disregarding?; December 14, 2014 at 3:27 PM
guiowen said...: Walt is wrong because he does not agree with everything that 3:12 says.
Note 3:12 knows everything about the case. Walt is disregarding what 3:12 wants him to accept as true.
Is this clear?; December 14, 2014 at 4:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Guiowen:

Thank you for your explanation.; December 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Ya'll just twist everything to the produke biased nonsupported conclusions and denials that you want to see regardless of what is said or how many times things are explained with facts shown and detailed - nor do you heed what was said in the trial by the M.E., and the judge, etc.

Always the same unsupported and biased arguments and denial of the facts to try to discredit what Dr. Harr says and what the case is really about, even though the discrepancies are meticously explained in his sharlogs.

Are ya'll g...'s drinkin' buddies that it made the drinkin' bet with about anyone taking this blog seriously, and to which end ya'll have evil duke trolled this blog to death and beyond in order to assure ya'lls free drinks?; December 14, 2014 at 5:14 PM
Anonymous said...: What evidence am I ignoring?; December 14, 2014 at 5:18 PM
Anonymous said...: to the 5:14,
Actually, we have a new bet. My friends will buy me a drink anytime you write "evil duke troll". You just got me a new drink.; December 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM
Anonymous said...: seriously?

how drunk do ya want to get?
the evil duke troll it g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger could make sure ya got really seriously drunk with its evil duke trolling copy and paste plagerizing that it is obssessed with at times ...

it could go on for days, weeks even

... you might want to reconsider your bet

blah; December 14, 2014 at 5:41 PM
Anonymous said...: What evidence am I ignoring?; December 14, 2014 at 5:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Wow! Two more free drinks!; December 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

The problem with Sid's shlogs is that they are contrary to the law and facts of the case.

Please behave yourself.; December 14, 2014 at 7:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

Insulting people who show that Sid's shlogs aren't supported by the facts and the law and who point out his errors and misrepresentations is not persuasive.; December 14, 2014 at 7:11 PM
Anonymous said...: and you are?

everything you say is only what you want to see and nothing based on the evidence nor facts of the case ... anything to discredit and malign everything not produke - but nothing based on fact or evidence, justice, or the law ... or even common sense and the reality of the case or the situation ... just anything to win a free drink and have fun at other's expense ... which means little to you as long as you win (and get drunk apparently).

blah; December 14, 2014 at 7:22 PM
guiowen said...: But TinFoil,
You didn't get me any drinks that time.
Now I have to buy my friend a drink.; December 14, 2014 at 8:13 PM
Anonymous said...: No, Tinfoil.

There are reasons why Mangum was arrested and charged. There are reasons why she was indicted and tried. There are reasons she lost her case. There are reasons every judge, lawyer and professional who has looked at the case has come to a different conclusion than Sid. There are reasons no politicians or celebrities are taking up Mangum's cause. There are reasons the media isn't covering Mangum's situation and no advocacy groups are jumping to Mangum's defense. There are reasons not one thing Sid has predicted has come to pass. All of the reasons have been discussed and explained at length by various commenters on this blog.

Sid is flat out wrong on the facts and the law of the case. He has been wrong since day 1 and he continues to be wrong. Sid's errors and misrepresentations of law and fact have been pointed out by smart people. Insulting them and calling them names does not change anything, and it doesn't help Mangum.; December 14, 2014 at 8:21 PM
Anonymous said...: What facts are wrong?

The Duke medical report?

The first Dr. Nichols autopsy report?

The second defense autopsy report that contradicts the first and proves Dr. Nichols findings as wrong just like Dr. Harr did?

Or was it the fact that you can watch the entire trial on youtube and see for yourself what the judge clarified the law to be which is contrary to what Walt says and the same as what Dr. Harr says? And how EVERYONE you mention as not agreeing did not hear the medical records questioned in trial to clarification for the purposes of accusing and convicting Ms. Mangum for murder based on facts and evidence beyond reasonable doubt - as there is still plenty left.

Would you still be arguing about it if there wasn't?

Or is it the fact that Duke's medical records themselves document Mr. Daye's death due to their direct proximate intubation malpractice and cause of brain death and ultimate death as being the sole responsibility of Duke?

That's just a start.

So what exactly are you talking about except to discredit and defame falsly?

btw ... good morning evil duke trolls and evil duke trollits ... have fun with your drinking games (not that you haven't been intoxicated by your drinking games for quite some time now)

... blah; December 15, 2014 at 1:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

It will not help Ms. Mangum gain her freedom for you to simply say that I am absolutely correct in my synopsis of the detailed sharlogs filled with medical analysis between the 3 medical records sources. I am ONLY able to do so because I watched your sharlogs and have discussed the issues with you on this blog for over a year now.

However, Ms. Mangum has not been afforded this information and knowledge since she is in prison and does Not have access to the sharlogs nor the blog with its many comments. This is why I continue to insist that you provide her with this documented detailed medical analysis and comprehensive summary of the blog discussions as appropriate ASAP in a form she can readily read, understand, and use on behalf of her own defense and appeal since it is Her case and she is the only one who can do it without a lawyer apparently. Again, I ask you, why have you not done so yet?; December 15, 2014 at 5:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Rather than whine and moan about what Sidney should do, why don't you get off your ass and do something? Take the information and write it out yourself if you think it's so important.; December 15, 2014 at 5:58 AM
Anonymous said...: I think Dr. Harr should do it. Besides, I do not have the jpegs from his sharlogs, he does.

He is the doctor - Ms. Mangum asked for his assistance - he has done that diligently - she needs a full report from him similar to what he presents to the public in his sharlogs to aid in her defense - and only he can provide it.; December 15, 2014 at 8:24 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
I think Dr. Harr should do it. Besides, I do not have the jpegs from his sharlogs, he does.

He is the doctor - Ms. Mangum asked for his assistance - he has done that diligently - she needs a full report from him similar to what he presents to the public in his sharlogs to aid in her defense - and only he can provide it.

I appreciate your concerns for Crystal. I have been working to help her and have relayed the important medical information about her case to them. I have also offered to give my personal assessment and go over the extensive investigation I have conducted. Presently the information is under consideration, and as soon as action is taken on her case I will let you know.; December 15, 2014 at 8:41 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: My previous statement was a little confusing. What I meant to say is that I have been in communication with others about Crystal's case and have relayed information to them about it. I am hopeful they will follow through on it... and have every confidence that they will.; December 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Anonymous 1:50:

Sid hasn't really discussed a nonessential test.

He ignored almost completely any discussion of why the Duke medical professionals concluded that they needed to intubate Daye. More recently, Sid has concluded that treatment for delirium tremens required the intubation, but he has steadfastly refused to provide specific evidence to support his conclusion that the intubation was not indirectly a result of the stabbing (I understand that trauma can exacerbate delirium tremens).

I trust you can understand why a reader would react skeptically to anything Sid says (trust, but verify).

After all, Sid has shown himself to be a liar.

Sid claims that the failure to find DNA from the accused was not exculpatory. As you know, Mangum alleged a rape in which the alleged attackers ejaculated and did not use condoms (with one ejaculating in her mouth, whereupon she spit it out).

Someone, particularly a doctor, who makes such a preposterous claim can only be a liar.

Let me address in depth the intubation. I believe that the risk vs. benefit was in favor of not doing a contrast study as the cause of Daye's agitation was most likely due to impending delirium tremens. The fact that he had received much sedation and his gag reflex was compromised, had I felt it necessary to introduce oral contrast agent through a nasogastric tube then I would've seriously considered prophylactically intubating Daye prior to introducing the agent into his stomach... the oral contrast agent does have emetic side effects.

Once Daye had an episode of emesis following the administration of the contrast agent through the n-g tube, then it was reasonable to intubate him in order to treat any aspiration that may have occurred and to protect the airway from any further or possible aspiration.

Under the circumstances I don't fault the decision to intubate, but I believe the staff was extremely negligent in its failure to recognize and correct its errant placement in the esophagus.

Let me know if further elucidation is required on this matter.; December 15, 2014 at 8:55 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT UPDATE!

Had been busy preparing a few things for Crystal's case, so have been away from the sharlog for several days. I will resume work on it presently and hope to have it posted within several days.

As you were.; December 15, 2014 at 8:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

So Ms. Mangum is waiting for you to do something that will actually work to free her, and does NOT have the medical analysis information in report form from you which she can use to defend herself ASAP as needed? Is she aware of this?; December 15, 2014 at 9:24 AM
Anonymous said...: How is Sid's analysis going to help Mangum? Mangum's case is on appeal. The appellate court will not accept new evidence; it simply reviews the proceedings of the trial court for reversible error.

Moreover, Sid is not remotely qualified to render an expert opinion in this (or any other) case. Even if he was, do you think for one minute he would actually go into court and swear to the truth of anything he has shlogged about?; December 15, 2014 at 1:22 PM
Anonymous said...: It isn't rocket science to read and understand the medical records, and since he is a doctor, he is more qualified to analyze the records than a rocket scientist who isn't a doctor. You certainly have no credentials to say that he is lying about his analysis of the records since you probably have never watched the sharlogs explaining and examining the records in detail that he provides on this blog, nor are you a doctor. It is all fairly straight forward. The part of whether they intubated twice or three times is confusing based on what is written in the Duke medical reports, but perhaps Duke will someday be professional enough to explain it to everyone when it finally takes its legal responsibility for the malpractice as it should have from the start and relieves Ms. Mangum from having to take unwarranted responsibility for a death that they could have easily prevented, but didn't (as they themselves document in their medical records).

Why do you think he is lying about his analysis?; December 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM
guiowen said...: Since you believe Sidney knows what he's doing, and since you believe he is acting in good faith, why do you keep on pressing him?
Kenhyderal would say you are bullying Sidney.; December 15, 2014 at 5:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Cuz i'm 'gettin' off my arse' and helpin' Ms. Mangum like Dr. Harr asked. He said he knew what was best for her, and I think she needs to know at least what the public knows about the records as detailed in the sharlogs in order to sufficiently defend herself, so that would be part of what is best for her one could assume. So I question why he has not done so yet. You call it bullying, I call it a response to the constant harrassment and trolling I've been made to endure by you and your evil duke troll croonies on His blog while I tried to follow what he produced for the public. After having learned that she was not also able to watch the sharlogs or listen to the aruguments about them on this blog, I realize that she may not be able to communicate about the real issues well without the knowledge and understanding they provide. Only he can provide that to her apparently, so I really wonder why he does not. I think it is important. If it is not what is best for her, I would like to know why.; December 15, 2014 at 6:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Also, if she had a paper format of the sharlog explanations of the medical records, she could give a copy to her lawyer(s) and they would then have NO excuse for getting the date of death wrong (at the least). That is very frustrating to watch and to know she does not have the minimum of what she needs to defend herself, which Dr. Harr could easily provide to her if only he would. So it is also very frustrating for him to continually not realize that he should, and equally so, to not understand why he doesn't.; December 15, 2014 at 6:24 PM
guiowen said...: So why don't you print all those sharlogs and get a copy to Crystal?; December 15, 2014 at 6:34 PM
Anonymous said...: if you actually listened to the discussions on this blog instead of obssessively copy and pasting plagerizing in order to troll yourself and win free drinks and falsly accuse others of your obnoxious trolling, you might realize that the request for the jpegs from the sharlogs was made because you cannot just print out the sharlog

blah; December 15, 2014 at 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

Nothing Sid has shlogged helps Mangum. Why would Sid waste one second of his time, or one nickel of his money copying and mailing his shlogs to Mangum?; December 15, 2014 at 7:07 PM
Anonymous said...: it is called a sharlog not whatever you rudely call it

the better question is why does he provide the information to the public in sharlog format, but not to Ms. Mangum in a format that she can actually read and understand and use in her own defense; December 15, 2014 at 7:37 PM
guiowen said...: Sid is a busy man and has lots of things to do. Why would he waste his time trying to wipe you tears?; December 15, 2014 at 8:20 PM
guiowen said...: Sorry, I meant your tears.; December 15, 2014 at 8:22 PM
Anonymous said...: projecting again evil duke troll it g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger?

you're the kind of person people scrunch up their noses at in complete disgust and amazement at the level of your ignorant malicious behavior

you ever notice that? People with scrunched up noses whenever you are around them. It probably happens so often that you actually think that's the way people normally are?; December 16, 2014 at 1:41 AM
Anonymous said...: I still find it funny that because an expert didn't agree with Sid, he (and his deluded "followers") still think nothing was done. Dr. Roberts did a full review, but since her conclusion doesn't support Sid, he considers her part of the conspiracy (even if he uses her for his claims elsewhere).

No one disputes the facts that Sid states, they dispute the conclusions of them. Remember, Dr. Roberts said the DTs were ruled out - Sid ignore that. But, even if it were DTs, he wouldn't have suffered from them had Crystal not stabbed him.

And, you all like to ignore this: The only way Crystal would have gotten a Not Guilty was self-defense. Even if Duke intentionally murdered him, unless the Jury believed self-defense (which they clearly didn't), she'd still be guilty of a felony for stabbing him.; December 16, 2014 at 5:28 AM
Anonymous said...: I find it funny (not) that you keep ignoring the fact the Dr. Peterson's conclusion does NOT correlate with how the judge clarified the law to be in this case.

but that is just to fit your produke antimangum agenda and win another free drink, right evil duke troll?; December 16, 2014 at 6:05 AM
Anonymous said...: What a way to change the subject and ignore the facts you don't like, and can't answer.

Admit it - Sid is wrong on many things.

And, who is Dr. Peterson?; December 16, 2014 at 6:36 AM
A Lawyer said...: perhaps Duke will someday be professional enough to explain it to everyone

That would be illegal under federal law (HIPPA).

when it finally takes its legal responsibility for the malpractice as it should have from the start

If there was malpractice, no one has legal standing to complain about it but Mr. Daye's family. If they did make a claim aginst Duke and settled it privately, neither you nor any other member of the public has the right to know about it.

and relieves Ms. Mangum from having to take unwarranted responsibility for a death that they could have easily prevented, but didn't

Malpractice by Duke, if there was any, doesn't relieve Crystal of responsibility for stabbing Mr. Daye.

(as they themselves document in their medical records).

They don't document that but, as I explained above, that is neither here nor there: it doesn't relieve Crystal of criminal responsibility for her acts.; December 16, 2014 at 10:17 AM
Anonymous said...: duke friggin' kills Mr. Daye with avoidable,preventable,nonrelated malpractice, (that THEY document themselves in their medical reports), and frames the obviously excessively abused victim in the case whom they have a well known issue with for murder with the malicious assistance and knowledge of the justice system, and all ya'll can beeach about is manners and explaining why exactly others may think they are sheathead jokes ... THAT's duke - THAT's what they are (nice example of what duke is evil duke troll its)

evil killing, raping, exploiting sheathead jokesters - their brand; December 16, 2014 at 6:00 PM
Anonymous said...: "Sheat head"? What obvious racism for our middle-eastern readers. No wonder this site was flagged as a hate site. For shame, you naughty racist!; December 16, 2014 at 7:46 PM
guiowen said...: To the 6:00 p.m.:
Do you actually believe what you say?; December 16, 2014 at 9:19 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

So Ms. Mangum is waiting for you to do something that will actually work to free her, and does NOT have the medical analysis information in report form from you which she can use to defend herself ASAP as needed? Is she aware of this?

I am communicating with people in position to help Mangum. Although Mangum may not have access to the sharlogs, I have seen to it that the few individuals who might do something to help her have access to them.

After all I've sent to her and discussed with her, she should have a pretty good understanding of her case. Hopefully an anticipated break will come through soon.; December 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!
IMPORTANT UPDATE!!

Work is moving right along on next sharlog. If possible, it will hopefully be posted by this coming Friday.

Also, work on the sharlog has limited my time online at the library. I hope to respond to comments once the sharlog is posted.

As you were.; December 17, 2014 at 9:05 AM
Anonymous said...: what the frack g you are a sheathead joke and an evil duke troll. stop trolling me.

blah blah blah; December 18, 2014 at 7:41 PM
guiowen said...: With people like Tin Foil around, no wonder Sidney can't use the internet at his residence. But I guess Tin Foil really enjoys insulting people.; December 18, 2014 at 10:10 PM
Anonymous said...: What the frack G there you go again with your trolling and little miss manners bs

Blah blah blah; December 19, 2014 at 7:03 PM
guiowen said...: I'm sorry, Sidney, but the way TinFoil is acting, it'll be a cold day in hell before you get to use the internet at your residence.; December 19, 2014 at 7:20 PM
Anonymous said...: g ... i've already told you to stop copy and pasting posts that aren't even yours and then sitting there and trolling what you just posted.

seriously

get over yourself

troll doesn't even describe what you do any more g ... since you are seriously evil

DO NOT TROLL ME IN ANY WAY AT ALL AGAIN

thanks; December 20, 2014 at 4:57 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: THE GREAT KILGO said...

SIDNEY

WHERE IS KENHYDERAL? I HAVE IMPORTANT INFORMATION FOR HIM.

December 13, 2014 at 7:45 AM

Dr. Harr,

Why are you ignoring Kilgo's post? Kenhyderal has said many times that he needs to speak with Kilgo to verify important information that will clear Crystal's name.; December 20, 2014 at 7:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Stop trolling Sidney. He has a plan to get Mangum released.; December 20, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Saturday, November 29, 2014

Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong correspondence

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