justice4nifong: A prosecution case built on lies

Tuesday, June 23, 2015

A prosecution case built on lies

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Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

I think the DA should investigate this case still, because either Duke is lying in their medical reports about what they did to Mr. Daye to cause his death, or the state's ME is lying about what he observed of Mr. Daye's deceased corpse and his investigation of the cause of death evidence. The two reports are too vastly different in cause of death that one or the other is a gross misrepresentation (re: fraudulent).

In addition, the Appeals Defense Attorney has claimed to the Appeal Judges a differing date and version of death than that given by Duke or the ME's. So, there are four competing versions of the cause of death that Ms. Mangum is responsible for. There is a fifth version that has yet to be determined: the truth. That is over abundance of reasonable doubt for a murder verdict.

Ms. Mangum can write the DA and ask for relief from being charged for four different versions of death that is currently in evidence in this case perhaps? Is that something that can be done again soon Dr. Harr with your assistance? Has the DA gotten back to yet about investigating the state ME autopsy evidence?

Also, is there evidence yet about the MAR that was submitted by the appeal defense attorney but rejected by Judge Hudson? Would this problem be suitable for a MAR filing if the DA refuses to investigate, so at least the right cause of death can be decided before charges are accrued unfairly to Ms. Mangum and without equal protection for any of the citizens of this state, including Ms. Mangum and all other potential victims (and past if this an issue that is more pervasive than was previously known or acknowledged in the justice system)?

I agree with your suggestions. I have written D.A. Echols recently, and will write him again and include a disk of the latest sharlog.

It appears that the appeals attorney for Mangum is willing to make corrections to the appeal brief that was filed. So I will try and point them out to her in the near future.

The past four days I have spent tied down in my apartment working on this sharlog, which I just posted a few minutes ago. There's much on my agenda to do now that the sharlog has been completed.; June 23, 2015 at 7:39 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: John D. Smith said...
Sidney,

I get your drift from your 8:04 comment. While I agree that the hypothetical was short of specifics and it is possible to provide scenarios to reach different conclusions, it is apparent from your answer that you either fail to understand the concept of proximate cause or you are unable to engage in honest discussion.

It was not necessary that the punch knocked down the victim just as the car was passing by. The important thing is that the punch started a chain of events. The mugger is responsible for all of the succeeding events in that chain unless there is an intervening cause. An intervening cause must completely break the chain. For example, if the punch knocked out the victim, and he lay in the gutter, dazed and unable to get up, and the drunk driver came by an hour later, the mugger is still guilty of murder. You apply the concept far too narrowly.

As I noted earlier, the example also demonstrate that there can be multiple proximate causes. Much of your analysis appears to require that one identify a single proximate cause. That is incorrect and not supported by the law.

You also failed to respond to my most significant criticism. It was unconscionable that you provided advice to Mangum on legal matters without having researched the law. You frequently reach an uninformed conclusion on a subject in which you have no training or experience, act on that uninformed conclusion and then refuse to admit error when your readers provide evidence showing you are wrong.

Mangum is paying for your mistakes.

John D. Smith
New York, NY

John, this sharlog should enlighten you as to the ineffectiveness of the defense in Mangum's trial. Turncoat defense representation is the reason Mangum is serving a lengthy jail sentence. Had she listened to me(represented herself at trial)there is the probability she would have been found not guilty.

You and Walt don't want to face the reality that Mangum will soon be walking free and her conviction overturned. I'll be happy to present you with a crying towel, too, when that day comes.; June 23, 2015 at 7:44 AM
Lance the Intern said...: Sid -- you wrote:
"..a plea offer...was given to Mangum....In the transcript of the trial which Attorney Petersen sent to me, there was no mention of this plea deal..."

I'll await correction from Walt or A lawyer, but it's my understanding that plea agreements are compiled in the court records and brief documents.; June 23, 2015 at 7:45 AM
Lance the Intern said...: "Had she listened to me(represented herself at trial)there is the probability she would have been found not guilty."

Had she not listened to you, she wouldn't be in jail right now.; June 23, 2015 at 7:48 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

There is another current article that you will be interested in reading. I have quoted a few paragraphs below from that article:

@NCCapitol WRAL

Report: NC prosecutors sometimes push for death penalty in flimsy cases

"... "I think one of the points the report stresses is the leverage that comes with trying somebody and potentially pursuing the death penalty," Orr said. "It is sometimes the weakest cases, the ones where you don't have the strong evidence, that there seems to be an inclination to try to move forward with the death penalty."

The report doesn't suggest specific fixes to the issue. The center is one of a number of groups that has argued for the elimination of the death penalty altogether.

Orr said that, if the state is going to continue having capital punishment, it needs to do more to ensure a fair system. Both prosecutors and the defense attorneys for indigent defendants need better funding, he said, and he suggested the state ought to somehow centralize the decision on whether the death penalty is pursued, taking it out of the hands of prosecutors who might use the threat of capital punishment as tactical leverage.

"That would make for a fairer, more even-handed, dispassionate decision-making process," he said."

Thanks for the reference. I'll take a look at it. If the Orr in the article was Robert F. Orr, then I have tried many times to meet with him... years ago, but he has always ignored me.

I agree that the prosecution in Mangum's case tried to use the First Degree murder charge as leverage in her case, too.; June 23, 2015 at 7:51 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Kenny:

My ipad does not support flash. My office computer blocks the sharlogs. None of you, Sidney or Tin Foil has given me enough information to raise sufficient doubt to motivate me to go out of my way to find a computer on which I can open the sharlog.

Sidney has a transcript. Why doesn't he post it?

Not all sharlogs are conducive to transcripts. The previous sharlog about the investigation mainly concluded many documents... it was not narrated. This current sharlog was narrated and a transcript is provided. I will provide a transcript when possible. However, to get the most out of the sharlog, it is best to view the interactive documentary which contains much more information as well as evidence.; June 23, 2015 at 7:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

You said:
"It appears that the appeals attorney for Mangum is willing to make corrections to the appeal brief that was filed. So I will try and point them out to her in the near future."

Why does it appear that way? What changed specifically?

Why isn't Ms. Mangum pointing them out to her?

Do these corrections include appealing any of the other of the nine items in the list you mentioned? What are those nine items?

Has Ms. Mangum written to the DA? Is the defense appeal attorney actually talking with Ms. Mangum about her case now and does she agree to talk to you, or is this simply another tactic by the justice system to cause even more delay?; June 23, 2015 at 8:02 AM
Anonymous said...: Plea offers are generally not public. They will often note if one was extended (that is usually done during case management), but will rarely discuss what the plea offer was (though that is done at times).

You'd have to ask Mangum what plea offers were made to her.

As to the Appeal Brief - the Appeal was argued on January 20 - we are just waiting for the Opinion.; June 23, 2015 at 8:08 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

"Anonymous 1:13:

This is speculation as well. I suspect that DUMC may have offered some settlement to Daye's family because they did not want adverse publicity."

That is possible. In a wrongful death lawsuit it is rare, if ever, that the plaintiffs would accept a settlement without representation from an attorney. I think, if Duke did offer them a settlement, Mr. Daye's family would believe they had a case and would have retained an attorney.

"Esophageal intubation is a serious error."

True. But medical errors do not always rise to the level of negligence. There was something published in the New England Journal of Medicine, about 24-25 years ago, the Harvard Study, a study of iatrogenic injury in a group of patients hospitalized in New York in the late80s-early 90s. In a group of 30,000 patients, they found fewer than 1500 cases of iatrogenic injury, fewer than 300 of which were due to negligence.

To establish medical malpractice, a plaintiff has to establish that there was negligence. There is the doctrine of res ipsa loquitur, meaning that the incident had to be so gross there was no explanation other than negligence. That did not apply in the case of Mr. Daye, judging from the records sid published.

Mr. Daye was being worked up for an intra abdominal infection, a highly probable event considering he suffered penetrating wounds of his stomach and colon which were treated after a delay because of the time it took to get him into the hospital for treatment. The attending doctors had contrast inserted into his stomach via an NG tube, prior to performing an abdominal cat scan, which is reasonable procedure. He vomited and aspirated, all in a matter of less than a minute. The esophageal intubation happened, according to Dr. Roberts, the defense expert, because visualizing the larynx was hindered by the presence of the vomitus.

It was an error but it did not rise to the level of negligence. Neither sid nor kenny is capable of determining it was negligence, because neither of them has any experience in managing such a scenario.

Res ipsa loquitur would have been something like a surgeon amputating the wrong leg.

First, you are incorrect in stating that the stomach was perforated. There is no indication of such in the operative report which described the stomach as being normal. Actually, the time from the stabbing to Daye's operation was relatively short... and his condition was stable enough to enable the surgeons to conduct a pretty extensive preoperative evaluation.

There furthermore was no indication that Daye even had an infection during his hospitalization... No infectious disease consult... Daye suffered only from neurological problems related to the esophageal intubation. The stab wound and its surgical intervention were without any recorded complications.; June 23, 2015 at 8:20 AM
Anonymous said...: The plea offer would have been discussed, and rejected back before a trial date was set during Case Management - it would not be included as part of the trial, unless she wanted to take it again.; June 23, 2015 at 8:47 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: Dr. Harr has uncovered mind-boggling/smoking-gun information that will blow the lid off Mangum's conviction. The end of this travesty is near.; June 23, 2015 at 9:13 AM
Anonymous said...: "
Anonymous Lance the Intern said...

"Had she listened to me(represented herself at trial)there is the probability she would have been found not guilty."

Had she not listened to you, she wouldn't be in jail right now.

June 23, 2015 at 7:48 AM"

Had crystal listened to sidney and represented herself, she would have been found guilty of murder 1 and sentenced to a lot more than 14 years.; June 23, 2015 at 9:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid ...

In your transcript - you say Mangum says she got a call on Nov. 13, 2013, but you say that you heard it was discussed on Nov. 14, 2011 - because no one can make mistakes, it's all deliberate - why are you, or that courthouse observer - lying to us all? Was she clairvoyant?; June 23, 2015 at 9:50 AM
Anonymous said...: sid the stupid:

"First, you are incorrect in stating that the stomach was perforated. There is no indication of such in the operative report which described the stomach as being normal."

According to Dr. Nichols there was a repaired laceration of the stomach, somethig he reportedly documented with pictures.

"Actually, the time from the stabbing to Daye's operation was relatively short... and his condition was stable enough to enable the surgeons to conduct a pretty extensive preoperative evaluation."

It was a matter of hours between the time crystal inflicted the stab wound ehich injured the colon and stomach. That was more than enough to set up an intra abdominal infection. A pre operative evaluation is directed at getting the patient ready for surgery, not for diagnosing the effect of the stab wound. That you do not realize that is evidence that you are not a competent physician.; June 23, 2015 at 9:53 AM
Anonymous said...: sidney the incredibly stupid:

"There furthermore was no indication that Daye even had an infection during his hospitalization... No infectious disease consult... "

The fever, the tachycardia are all indications of infection. The history, a penetrating stab wound which perforated two intra abdominal viscera, not treated until hours after the stab wound had been inflicted, made infection a possibility which had to be either ruled out or ruled in and treated. If you think an infectious disease consult was necessary, you again provide documentary evidence you are not a competent physician.; June 23, 2015 at 9:56 AM
Anonymous said...: I got a brazilian for this?

The Great Kilgo
Parts Unknown; June 23, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Anonymous said...: And, notice that Sid shows a vague diagram, and a picture of 1 door for his proof. He's admitted he never asked Crystal or anyone else if he's right - or if he's just making an assumption. The diagram looks to me like they are together.

But, Sid doesn't care about the truth, he cares about delusions.; June 23, 2015 at 3:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid ... please post that picture you flash through quickly of the apartments - I don't see a breezeway between them, I see two front doors side-by-side.

You skip by it quickly, please post it so we can see it.; June 23, 2015 at 4:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney,

For your next sharlog are you going to examine Mangum's testimony? You can demonstrate that she, like Hanes and Nichols, committed perjury.; June 23, 2015 at 5:02 PM
Anonymous said...: When you write your "Crystal Mangum committed perjury" sharlog, you can use the fake rape case and the arson case, in addition to her perjured testimony in her murder case, to show that Mangum has a history of untruthfulness in legal matters.; June 23, 2015 at 5:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Why did you post this? You realize this is an open case right?; June 23, 2015 at 5:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Crystal would be free today if she didn't listen to and take the advice of Sidney and Kenny.; June 23, 2015 at 5:16 PM
Anonymous said...: If she was offered anything close to time served she should have taken it. Unlike Greg Taylor, Crystal did stab Daye, and her guilt or innocence was based entirely on the jury believing self-defense. Too bad Sid convinced her the stuff at Duke mattered. She would have been making a mistake to risk self-defense if offered close to time served.

Of course, I'm confused how she thinks she could get a time-served plea - as has been noted here before, Voluntary Manslaughter is a class D felony, and at her record level, the absolute minimum sentence is 44 months active, and she didn't have that. So, is Sid lying to us, or is Crystal lying to Sid?; June 23, 2015 at 5:50 PM
Anonymous said...: No, ya'lls hypocrisy in your national rants during the lacrosse case or support of it, compared to cheering on Duke killing a patient with malpractice and then covering up the fact with the explicit lies and assistance of the justice system ya'll denigrated so fiercely and publicly during the lacrosse case in order to further harm the victim in the lacrosse case again is beyond evil.

In addition, cyber-bullying and trolling and defaming the victim and those who are appalled by what they are seeing happening in these cases and do not support the corrupted system goes beyond acceptable to any.

The thing is, ya'll actually think you are in the right in supporting Duke and the justice system in harming others again, so then you attack the citizens of NC for the harm that you have done and supported Duke and the justice in doing when the corrupted Duke / Durham / NC injustice system does the same to you because you let them do it to others all along.

Do you understand? If you are going to support it, quit blaming others if you too get harmed by it. Do ya'll really think ya'll are so entitled that you can blame the citizens of NC for the problems that YOU caused and supported and contributed to by your support of the harm as long as it was only harming others?; June 23, 2015 at 6:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Or did the duke / durham injustice system KNOW that she wasn't guilty because they knew she was defending herself? If they had offered her involuntary manslaughter and a plea deal it might have been a more reasonable deal.; June 23, 2015 at 6:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Do you like the 6:46 pm post cut/paste/plagerizing evil duke poster? It is a good one, eh?; June 23, 2015 at 7:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Why did it take so long for Mr. Daye to receive treatment? If he was immediately taken to the hospital by his nephew it would have taken 15 minutes tops from the time he was stabbed to receive treatment. Who took him to Duke? How long did Mr. Daye wait to seek treatment?; June 23, 2015 at 7:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

I don't understand how you think that Ms. Mangum could have represented herself in this murder case. Even now - if she does not have in writting from you the details she needs to give to her Appeal Attorney - even more so is the inability to understand why you think she could have represented herself in this case.

However, this case has been discussed in depth on this blog which is rather unique. So there is a lot of information that she could use to Assist in her own defense. If she had a comprehensive written report from you of all the issues discussed on this blog and in your sharlogs, then she could represent herself better to her lawyer. She would also have proof of what she has shared with her lawyers, and what the lawyers have ignored or not assisted her with.

It is frustrating to watch this case continue to unfold into an example of a system corrupted beyond belief - a system that all must deal with - even by the fact of simply existing in a society that is effected by the system that causes undue harm to so many.; June 24, 2015 at 2:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Yes, the case has been discussed in depth - and basically everything revealed. But, now when people are pushing Kenny for answers to questions that reveal he is full of shit, and doesn't have them, he is pretending that because it's an open case he won't discuss it.

Kenny, this is why you are a liar,a joke, pathetic whiner.

No one believes a word you say but Crystal.

It is sad that you and Sid continue to abuse her as you do. She has a history of seeking out abusive relationships, and sadly she found two others.; June 24, 2015 at 4:04 AM
Anonymous said...: why should he if all your looking for is: "answers to questions that reveal he is full of shit, and doesn't have them"

that's all you have done for years now - troll him into talking about sheat he shouldn't - and then jumping the sheat out of him and Ms. Mangum and everyone else when he does

seriously

and now you are going to keep trolling him because he wise to your 'games'

AND you think anyone is going to believe YOU except that you are an evil duke troll who NEVER stops

unbelievable; June 24, 2015 at 4:16 AM
Anonymous said...: People who assert Mangum was raped at the lacrosse party, that she was not a prostitute and is an honest person whose word should be unquestionably accepted as gospel truth, who slime the victims of her bad conduct, impugn attorneys who are trying to assist her, speak of massive conspiracies, celebrate Mike Nifong as a bastion of prosecutorial integrity, talk about mystery rapists and secret evidence, misstate the law and facts of the case, and make outrageously false statements and predictions are the trolls.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 24, 2015 at 5:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Except if he'd actually go to the apartment he'd see he is wrong. The door you see in the picture is N (Daye's) to the side you see the rail for the back - the door you barely see is The door to Kia Haynes's apartment. There is no walkway between them and the police diagram doesn't show it. He's making it up, yet again, to prove a point. Just like IDS expert spending - he made a whole sharlog about his incorrect assumptions on that - then he made the mistake of actually attempting to verify his information and it proved how wrong he was. He won't make that mistake again.

It's not trolling to ask someone to verify their assumptions.; June 24, 2015 at 5:49 AM
Walt said...: I read the transcript and all I could think was, that's it? Sid's big discovery that Kia Haynes doesn't live next door, but across from Reggie? If you read the parts of her testimony that Sid chose to reproduce, it's clear she doesn't live next door. Otherwise Haynes couldn't see who was coming or going in and out the front door.

As far as Sid's complaints about Coggins-Frank "strong arming" Haynes, nothing of the sort happened. Here's the Q&A [Do you remember talking to me earlier? A: Huh? Q: Do you remember talking to me earlier on the phone? A: Yeah, I think so. Q: Did you ever say anything about the defendant opening the door saying, everything is fine, and then slamming the door? Meier: Objection. Leading. Court: Sustained as to form of the question.]

This is not strong arming. This is allowable under the rules of evidence. A lawyer can attempt to refresh a witness recollection. Where Coggins-Frank about gets into trouble is she comes close to making herself a witness. Had she done that, the Judge would have declared a mistrial and had to appoint a special prosecutor. However, Coggins-Frank stopped just short of that. So, all Meier could do was object as to form. An objection Judge Ridgeway properly sustained.

Sid, really try to bring something of substance next time.

Walt-in-Durham; June 24, 2015 at 6:13 AM
Anonymous said...: Walt, their doors are about 3 feet apart. Kia Haynes did say they share a wall, and they do - look at the picture - their front doors are about 3 feet apart, and they share a living room wall. Sid would have you believe there is a walkway between those apartments, but doesn't show a picture that has that.

What is sad, in the off chance Crystal does get a new trial, Sid and Kenny are still pushing her to obsess about Duke. The only way she gets a NG in this case is self-defense, something she still ignores.

The only good thing for her (and clearly sad for Kenny and Sid), is that if she gets a new trial, her worst case is what she got now - she cannot face 1st degree, and the Larceny charges won't be part of it. But, if she's offered a time-served plea, she needs to take it.

And, she needs to stop obsessing about some faux Duke conspiracy and focus on self-defense.; June 24, 2015 at 6:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Abe Froman

obviously you haven't been trolled mercilessly nonstop on this blog like some people are - or you wouldn't be saying that

heck - you've got one troll who cries and whines for kenny in truly absurd ways, another that calls him incredibly stupid all the time and other absurd malicious things, and still others who bait troll him into talking about Ms. Mangum and then denigrate the heck out of everything he says and doesn't say, etc. etc. etc. if that isn't cyber-bullying trolling, what is?; June 24, 2015 at 6:42 AM
Anonymous said...: She can see people coming and going because if you look at the pictures, and the diagram, you come up the stairs, pass her door to get to his.; June 24, 2015 at 6:43 AM
Anonymous said...: And, she needs to stop obsessing about some faux Duke conspiracy and focus on self-defense.

No, she cannot be lied about like that by the ME and Duke affiliates or sympathizers and Duke and the ME gets away with it. It should be called a mistrial based on that fact alone. There is no way Ms. Mangum should ignore that. If Duke or anyone else has a problem with that, they should and could take it up with the ME or Duke - but don't expect Ms. Mangum to accept that as justice or equal protection for anyone - because it's not. Obviously you don't have to depend on Duke to save the lives of others, or the NC ME system to do their jobs right, or you would not think like you do.; June 24, 2015 at 6:51 AM
Anonymous said...: Mangum's concern shouldn't be the ME system, or Duke, or anything beyond herself. She needs to not sacrifice herself for them. Sadly, Sid, Kenny, and others, care about their own agenda, not Mangum. Mangum needs to focus on self-defense and the justification of her stabbing, and not trying to bring Duke to some sort of call to account.

Again, as has been repeatedly stated - Duke is sued frequently for malpractice (as are most hospitals), and pays a lot. Not sure why you keep thinking they are above justice. They pay out millions per year to people they injure.; June 24, 2015 at 7:04 AM
Anonymous said...: The apartments have been renamed at this point:

http://www.apartmentguide.com/apartments/North-Carolina/Durham/Amber-Oaks-Apartments/100016699/

3501 Century Oaks Rd, Durham, NC 27713
Building 3507, Apartment N & P

If Sydney is correct here and they do not share a wall, then I would say Kia Haynes lied to the court.

If Sydney is wrong, then he is lying and he will do anything to promote himself and this blog. You cannot guess here or assume something that can be easily verified.

Sydney needs to get someone from his Justice4nfong team to go get some pictures at this point.; June 24, 2015 at 7:08 AM
Anonymous said...: There is something that is apparent in this state. First you see some major illegal screw-up (malpractice) and a totally dysfunctional process in play, then you see a final admittance that the part of the system in question is totally dysfunctional and 'broken', and then you see the person(s) who committed the 'malpractice' not get any type of legal action taken against them to right the immediate wrong. So, then the system begs for more money to fix their systems, but they don't fix the immediate issue - ever - so the only thing you see is people saying they need more money to make their dysfunctional system work, but you know they are not interested in fixing their system(s) because they never do, they just want to get out of the immediate issue and get more money to continue on their merry dysfunctional way. Then the Feds get called in eventually. This happens ALL THE TIME in NC. Things just get worse. Do they get the money? Good question. Do thinks get better for anyone - need you ask?; June 24, 2015 at 7:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Well from what I've seen in the past few years in the local news, it is these type of errors (the ME / Duke malpractice / injustice system cover-up of the malpractice, and the errors by the injustice system in the case) that has been in question and has been pursued for prosecution and 'fixing' that has been used to prove innocence of quite a few people - including in the lacrosse case. So why NOT say no to the dysfunctional system and Duke too by Ms. Mangum.

You obviously don't understand how fed up most are with being subjected to and victimized by the system (and watching so many being harmed - and all the corruption - and so many lives literally ruined) in NC. Ms. Mangum should focus on the self-defense issues, but she should also not ignore what the ME and Duke and the in-justice system have done that actually negate her entire case to begin with. If she does that - she will be harmed by the system again and while she's ignoring it - because it will only get worse. I am sure she realizes that and is basing her decisions on that wisdom of foresight.; June 24, 2015 at 7:30 AM
Anonymous said...: We all know Sid won't do anything to verify what he is telling is true. This blog is all about him.; June 24, 2015 at 7:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said:

"obviously you haven't been trolled mercilessly nonstop on this blog like some people are - or you wouldn't be saying that

heck - you've got one troll who cries and whines for kenny in truly absurd ways, another that calls him incredibly stupid all the time and other absurd malicious things, and still others who bait troll him into talking about Ms. Mangum and then denigrate the heck out of everything he says and doesn't say, etc. etc. etc. if that isn't cyber-bullying trolling, what is?"

kenny is either stupid or he is a troll. There is no othere xplanation for his posts. Either way, kenny's words and conduct on this shlog invite ridicule.

If the comments posted on here make you (or anyone else) uncomfortable, hurt your feelings or make you feel like you are being bullied or trolled, you should stop visiting this site altogether, or at least stop reading the comments.; June 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM
Anonymous said...: Are you calling me a cyber bully? Calling people names online makes you a cyber bully.

Isn't it ironic...don't you think?; June 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM
Anonymous said...: It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife. It's like meeting the man of your dreams and then meeting his beautiful wife.; June 24, 2015 at 11:25 AM
Anonymous said...: June 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM

Are you calling me a cyber bully? Calling people names online makes you a cyber bully.

Isn't it ironic...don't you think?

I actually usually use the term cyber-bullying, as in cyber-bullying troll, or cyber-bullying trolling to describe what someone is doing. Calling someone a troll on line is acceptable when that is what they are doing don't ya think? Specifying it with cyber-bullying trolling describes even more precisely the actions of those whose malicious behavior is classified as cyber-bullying as detailed in the description for cyber-bully on Wikipedia. Are you cyberbullying to troll someone? If so, you are a cyber-bullying troll. On this blog - since most of the cyber-bullying trolls hail from the durham-in-wonderland and the duke liestoppers blogs - and who cyber-bully in support of duke - they are termed evil duke trolls. Some of them are cyber-bullying evil duke trolls at times. This term is generally used to identify the behavior of those whom generally use name calling as part of their cyber-bullying trolling - but not always. Perhaps you should read about cyber-bully on wiki - you seem to not understand - or choose to not understand so you can troll some more ... eh?; June 24, 2015 at 12:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

Is this the earth-shattering shlog that is going to free Mangum from prison, or are you holding back on us?

Also, precisely how do you shlog someone out of prison? How do you go from posting a shlog to Mangum getting released? It would appear that there are some steps in between those two things (like getting a court order) or are you hoping that the power of the shlog alone will somehow open her cell door?; June 24, 2015 at 12:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Cyberbully? You're a cyberbully. That's what I think of you.; June 24, 2015 at 12:22 PM
Anonymous said...: This is what happens when you use Wikipedia as your source of truth....A bunch of trolling cyberbullying in the guise of....Something. Eh?; June 24, 2015 at 12:26 PM
Yogurt said...: Never underestimate the power of the shlog!; June 24, 2015 at 12:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

Stop acting like an idiot.; June 24, 2015 at 12:45 PM
Anonymous said...: It's Shan Carter's death row pardon...two minutes too late.
Isn't it ironic... don't you think?; June 24, 2015 at 12:54 PM
Anonymous said...: It's the good advice that Crystal Mangum just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures.; June 24, 2015 at 12:56 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sid ...

In your transcript - you say Mangum says she got a call on Nov. 13, 2013, but you say that you heard it was discussed on Nov. 14, 2011 - because no one can make mistakes, it's all deliberate - why are you, or that courthouse observer - lying to us all? Was she clairvoyant?

Time for some edification: On the evening of November 13, 2013, Mangum told me she received a phone call from Meier with terms for a plea deal offered by the prosecution. He told her she had until the following morning to make a decision as to whether or not to accept it.
The following morning of November 14, 2013, Mangum told me that after the jury had been selected and prior to opening arguments, terms of the plea deal were discussed in open court... with the jury absent.

Let me know if further elucidation is required.; June 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
sid the stupid:

"First, you are incorrect in stating that the stomach was perforated. There is no indication of such in the operative report which described the stomach as being normal."

According to Dr. Nichols there was a repaired laceration of the stomach, somethig he reportedly documented with pictures.

"Actually, the time from the stabbing to Daye's operation was relatively short... and his condition was stable enough to enable the surgeons to conduct a pretty extensive preoperative evaluation."

It was a matter of hours between the time crystal inflicted the stab wound ehich injured the colon and stomach. That was more than enough to set up an intra abdominal infection. A pre operative evaluation is directed at getting the patient ready for surgery, not for diagnosing the effect of the stab wound. That you do not realize that is evidence that you are not a competent physician.

According to Dr. Roberts, the only photographs Dr. Nichols took were a couple of the stab wound, one of his face, and a couple of the left lung (Note: the chest cavity was never entered during surgery.) Even under cross-examination I believe that Dr. Nichols denied taking any photographs of the stomach and its alleged repaired injury. One of Dr. Roberts' criticisms of Dr. Nichols was his failure to use photography to document and/or rule out injuries.

Also, it is important not to lose track of why Daye was electively removed from life-support. He was taken off life-support because he was brain dead... not because he had an infection. For a week prior to his death, he was being observed by a neurologist, not an infectious disease specialist.; June 24, 2015 at 1:33 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
And, notice that Sid shows a vague diagram, and a picture of 1 door for his proof. He's admitted he never asked Crystal or anyone else if he's right - or if he's just making an assumption. The diagram looks to me like they are together.

But, Sid doesn't care about the truth, he cares about delusions.

Fact is that during one recent visit Crystal and I spent the better part of visitation discussing the arrangement of the apartments. She specifically told me that her bedroom windows faced the woods. Aykia Hanes testified at trial that her bedroom faced the parking lot... which is on the opposite side of the building from Daye's. Were they side-by-side, they would both be facing the woods or they would both be facing the parking lot. Comprende?

Note that the diagram and the photos of the apartment doors are from prosecution discovery.; June 24, 2015 at 1:39 PM
Anonymous said...: stupid sid:

"Also, it is important not to lose track of why Daye was electively removed from life-support. He was taken off life-support because he was brain dead... not because he had an infection.'

He was brain dead because he aspirated. He aspirated while being worked up for an intra abdominal infection. The workup was necessary because, even after the surgery, the stab woulnd inflicted by crystal, your favorite murderess, put him at risk for an intra abdominal infection.

Again you show how incompetent you are.; June 24, 2015 at 1:44 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sid ... please post that picture you flash through quickly of the apartments - I don't see a breezeway between them, I see two front doors side-by-side.

You skip by it quickly, please post it so we can see it.

I'm not sure what photo you would like posted. The photo showing the door to apartment N opened was taken from the breezeway.; June 24, 2015 at 1:48 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Why did you post this? You realize this is an open case right?

Unlike the mainstream media, I believe in enlightening people about the facts of the case... and not selectively suppressing certain facts to mold minds. People have the opportunity to reach the right conclusions if provided with the facts.

What exactly do you mean when you refer to the case as being open? Further elucidation is required.; June 24, 2015 at 1:54 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
The apartments have been renamed at this point:

http://www.apartmentguide.com/apartments/North-Carolina/Durham/Amber-Oaks-Apartments/100016699/

3501 Century Oaks Rd, Durham, NC 27713
Building 3507, Apartment N & P

If Sydney is correct here and they do not share a wall, then I would say Kia Haynes lied to the court.

If Sydney is wrong, then he is lying and he will do anything to promote himself and this blog. You cannot guess here or assume something that can be easily verified.

Sydney needs to get someone from his Justice4nfong team to go get some pictures at this point.

I am correct. Remember, Aykia Hanes stated that her apartment had a view of the parking lot. From her apartment there is no view of the woods. Mangum stated that her apartment with Daye had a view of the woods... they could not see the parking lot. According to the diagram, the Daye apartment N has a view of the woods and the Hanes apartment P has a view of the parking lot. Their apartments are directly opposite one another.; June 24, 2015 at 2:02 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
I read the transcript and all I could think was, that's it? Sid's big discovery that Kia Haynes doesn't live next door, but across from Reggie? If you read the parts of her testimony that Sid chose to reproduce, it's clear she doesn't live next door. Otherwise Haynes couldn't see who was coming or going in and out the front door.

As far as Sid's complaints about Coggins-Frank "strong arming" Haynes, nothing of the sort happened. Here's the Q&A [Do you remember talking to me earlier? A: Huh? Q: Do you remember talking to me earlier on the phone? A: Yeah, I think so. Q: Did you ever say anything about the defendant opening the door saying, everything is fine, and then slamming the door? Meier: Objection. Leading. Court: Sustained as to form of the question.]

This is not strong arming. This is allowable under the rules of evidence. A lawyer can attempt to refresh a witness recollection. Where Coggins-Frank about gets into trouble is she comes close to making herself a witness. Had she done that, the Judge would have declared a mistrial and had to appoint a special prosecutor. However, Coggins-Frank stopped just short of that. So, all Meier could do was object as to form. An objection Judge Ridgeway properly sustained.

Sid, really try to bring something of substance next time.

Walt-in-Durham

Walt, I think that perjury is an issue of substance. Not only that, it's a Class F felony. Aykia Hanes committed perjury when stating that her apartment was next to Daye's and separated from it by a wall. That statement, though false, gave credibility that she could have heard argument from the Daye apartment. Truth is that nothing that she stated she heard is believable with her apartment being directly opposite Daye's and separated by a breezeway.

The biggest witnesses for the State, Dr. Nichols and Aykia Hanes, both committed perjury. That, I believe, is substantive.; June 24, 2015 at 2:06 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
She can see people coming and going because if you look at the pictures, and the diagram, you come up the stairs, pass her door to get to his.

Apartments N and P are directly opposite each other and are closer to the stairway than Apartments Q and R which abut N and P respectively.; June 24, 2015 at 2:11 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "even after the surgery, the stab woulnd inflicted by crystal, your favorite murderess, put him at risk for an intra abdominal infection"............. At risk yes but never succumbed to, at least not to anyone's knowledge. On the other hand his years of chronic alcohol abuse virtually guaranteed he would succumb to alcohol withdrawal when deprived of his habitual intake.; June 24, 2015 at 3:09 PM
Anonymous said...: stupid sid:

"Unlike the mainstream media, I believe in enlightening people about the facts of the case."

You are really incredibly stupid f you think anyone believes that.; June 24, 2015 at 4:18 PM
Anonymous said...: stupid ken:

"Anonymous said: "even after the surgery, the stab woulnd inflicted by crystal, your favorite murderess, put him at risk for an intra abdominal infection"............. At risk yes but never succumbed to, at least not to anyone's knowledge."

Irrelevant statement. He was at risk for infection. When he developed his symptoms the attending physicians were obligated to investigate.

So far as Mr. Daye's history of chronic alcoholism, that is a figment of your deluded imagination, nourished by the BS you try to pass off as knowledge.; June 24, 2015 at 4:21 PM
Anonymous said...: stupid sid:

"
Walt, I think that perjury is an issue of substance."

Again presuming a fact not in evidence, that he can think.; June 24, 2015 at 4:23 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "So far as Mr. Daye's history of chronic alcoholism, that is a figment of your deluded imagination, nourished by the BS you try to pass off as knowledge".......Just like the esophageal intubation was, eh. You'll have to acknowledge you were wrong about this too at some point.; June 24, 2015 at 4:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

I thought you said there was something unethical when the defense attorneys in the fake rape case discredited Crystal. Isn't that what you are doing with Daye? Are we to conclude that you are unethical?; June 24, 2015 at 6:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Blogger Nifong Supporter said...

Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Why did you post this? You realize this is an open case right?

Unlike the mainstream media, I believe in enlightening people about the facts of the case... and not selectively suppressing certain facts to mold minds. People have the opportunity to reach the right conclusions if provided with the facts.

What exactly do you mean when you refer to the case as being open? Further elucidation is required.

Dr. Harr,

Another poster posted that although you may think that I did, but since I too have talked about an open case when suggesting to Ken Edwards that perhaps he should stop letting himself be goaded into talking about Ms. Mangum so much because the trolls were simply trolling him to harm Ms. Mangum and then bashing him and Ms. Mangum for everything he said, I will explain what I meant. Open vs. closed. Simple as that. I think I explained it more in depth in other recent posts, like questioning what the rights were of the witnesses, and noting that they may be called on to testify again if the case is sent back to the Durham court system to try again.; June 25, 2015 at 1:03 AM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "So far as Mr. Daye's history of chronic alcoholism, that is a figment of your deluded imagination, nourished by the BS you try to pass off as knowledge".......Just like the esophageal intubation was, eh. You'll have to acknowledge you were wrong about this too at some point.

June 24, 2015 at 4:33 PM"

incredibly stupid kenny is bringing up a straw man/red herring to avoid the fact that Reginald Daye's chronic alcoholism is a figment of his imagination, a means by which he hopes he can get a pass for his favorite convicted murderess.; June 25, 2015 at 3:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Duke obviously thought he was suffering from DT's since they were medicating and testing him for it. That is related to chronic alcoholism. You do understand that right?; June 25, 2015 at 3:06 AM
Anonymous said...: Ok - well read your transcript - for the 2nd date it says 2011. I'm just curious why you lied about the date in your transcript like you say peterson did, or was it just a mistake?; June 25, 2015 at 3:41 AM
Anonymous said...: No - were they side by side as in the diagram and run lengthwise - the one running along the front (Kia) would face the parking lot - the one along the back (Mangum) would face the woods. Notice the diagram doesn't say anything about walkway, nor did crystal.; June 25, 2015 at 3:45 AM
Anonymous said...: And he wasn't responding to the treatment so they stopped - this ruling it out as a cause of the issues.; June 25, 2015 at 3:47 AM
Anonymous said...: You have the apartments going front to back - they go lengthwise. That front picture you show of Kia Haynes apartment - that's the patio off her living room and it goes to the left, not her bedroom. You walk up the stairs and turn left N is on the right (you have the picture) and runs straight back with all windows facing the woods. Kia's apartment is on the left, running straight back, all windows facing the parking lot. It's not complicated, it's not w conspiracy, and that is what is shown on the diagram. The other two apartments they share a back bedroom wall with are accessible via another stairway.

Need more elucidation? If we show you are wrong, will you pay the $1,000 and shut the blog down?; June 25, 2015 at 4:03 AM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous said...

Duke obviously thought he was suffering from DT's since they were medicating and testing him for it. That is related to chronic alcoholism. You do understand that right?

June 25, 2015 at 3:06 AM"

Interviews with women with whom Mr. Daye had had relationships before he got involved with crystal indicated he was not a heavy drinker. You and incredibly stupid kenny do not want to understand that.; June 25, 2015 at 4:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney:

You describe Dr. Nichols an Kia Hanes as the star witnesses for the prosecution. You left out the witness who most persuasively solidified the prosecution's case and convinced the jury to convict on second degree murder. The prosecution's real star witness was Crystal Gail Mangum.; June 25, 2015 at 4:31 AM
Anonymous said...: Abe's comment bears repeating:

People who assert Mangum was raped at the lacrosse party, that she was not a prostitute and is an honest person whose word should be unquestionably accepted as gospel truth, who slime the victims of her bad conduct, impugn attorneys who are trying to assist her, speak of massive conspiracies, celebrate Mike Nifong as a bastion of prosecutorial integrity, talk about mystery rapists and secret evidence, misstate the law and facts of the case, and make outrageously false statements and predictions are the trolls.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 25, 2015 at 5:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney:

What is the timing for your next sharlog: Crystal Mangum Committed Perjury in Her Murder Trial?; June 25, 2015 at 5:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Well it is a good thing that ya'll are having ya'lls troll party on-line and not the streets of Durham or ya'll might all end up intubated to death to test for something or another or some other deadly malpractice to 'cure' ya'll. Then ya'll could all be charged with murder and fight the system on your own behalf. The universe works in mysterious ways, eh?; June 25, 2015 at 7:44 AM
Anonymous said...: It's a trolls's party
Who could ask for more
Everybody's comin', leave your comments at the door; June 25, 2015 at 10:51 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sidney:

You describe Dr. Nichols an Kia Hanes as the star witnesses for the prosecution. You left out the witness who most persuasively solidified the prosecution's case and convinced the jury to convict on second degree murder. The prosecution's real star witness was Crystal Gail Mangum.

I respectfully disagree. I think Crystal did a good job on the stand. She could have been better prepared, but I don't think Meier worked with her. I think her testimony was truthful and that the prosecution's cross-examination failed to land a blow. In my opinion, it was best that she testify.; June 25, 2015 at 1:04 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sidney:

What is the timing for your next sharlog: Crystal Mangum Committed Perjury in Her Murder Trial?

Crystal didn't commit perjury.

Don't know when my next sharlog will be produced. There is still a little more for me to investigate. Right now I'm concentrating on getting information about this sharlog disseminated.; June 25, 2015 at 1:08 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Questions upon which to ruminate:

1) Do you believe that Aykia Hanes was being truthful when she stated that she lived next door to Daye with their apartments being separated by a wall?

2) Do you believe that Aykia Hanes, who was in her apartment, heard Mangum say to Daye "I'm going to f___ you up!"?

3) Do you believe that bumping against the wall in Daye's apartment caused the mirror panel(s) to be dislodged from the wall in the Hanes apartment?

4) Do you think Meier knew the arrangement of the apartments of Daye and Hanes? If so, why do you think he did not use the information to impeach the entirety of Hanes' testimony?; June 25, 2015 at 1:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Already explained why you were wrong on apartment. Yes they are next door as has been explained to you. You are wrong.

I'm sure Meier knew - and knows you are wrong and there isn't a breezeway. They share a wall. Ask Crystal or go out there.; June 25, 2015 at 1:40 PM
Anonymous said...: You haven't addressed the post about how you are wrong and how one can face the parking lot and one th woods without a breezeway. And that's what the diagram and picture seem to show. Why are you ignoring it?; June 25, 2015 at 2:04 PM
Anonymous said...: 1. Yes, I think she was.
2. No clue what she heard, she said she did - her word vs Crystal - Crystal has more incentive to lie.
3. See #2
4. He did, and knows Haynes was right, and your assumptions are wrong, so nothing to use.; June 25, 2015 at 2:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

Is this the big shlog you have been promising would be the key to freeing Mangum, or is there more to come? Because if this is it, I have news for you: This shlog does not get Mangum out of prison.; June 25, 2015 at 3:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney stated: Crystal did not commit perjury.

1. Do you believe Crystal lied when she claimed that the mattress was pulled onto the floor?

2. If so, how did the mattress end back on the bed?

3. Do you believe Crystal stabbed Daye in the bedroom?

4. If so, how did the blood spatter end up in the hallway, where Daye claimed he had been stabbed?; June 25, 2015 at 4:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Did you explain why Aykia Hanes committed perjury?; June 25, 2015 at 4:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Abe's comment bears repeating:

People who assert Mangum was raped at the lacrosse party, that she was not a prostitute and is an honest person whose word should be unquestionably accepted as gospel truth, who slime the victims of her bad conduct, impugn attorneys who are trying to assist her, speak of massive conspiracies, celebrate Mike Nifong as a bastion of prosecutorial integrity, talk about mystery rapists and secret evidence, misstate the law and facts of the case, and make outrageously false statements and predictions are the trolls.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 27, 2015 at 5:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney stated: Crystal did not commit perjury.

1. Do you believe Crystal lied when she claimed that the mattress was pulled onto the floor?

2. If not, how did the mattress end up back on the bed?

3. Do you believe Crystal stabbed Daye in the bedroom?

4. If so, how did the blood spatter end up in the hallway, where Daye claimed he had been stabbed?; June 27, 2015 at 5:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

How did you get the news outlets to publish Ms. Mangum's (and your) complaint about the discrepancies between the state's medical examiner's autopsy report and Duke's medical records to begin with? It is curious that they are not still reporting on the justice system's inability to provide equal and fair representation and trial proceedings in this case. Do you think they will just report that Ms. Mangum 'lost' the appeal decision (if she does), or will they report on the problems with this case and appeal defense attorney's lack of equal and fair representation that you document on this site? What exactly prompted the news outlets to publish these issues in the paper?

Thank you in advance for your time in answering these questions.; June 27, 2015 at 6:13 AM
Anonymous said...: The deal with Kenhyderal is this. He believes that people at the party who were not Lacrosse players committed the alleged rape. The Lacrosse players knew who committed the rape. However, they would cover for those perpetrators even after three of their number had been wrongfully indicted for that rape.

I have challenged him to demonstrate that this scenario in which he believes is credible. So far, he dodges doing so.

The reason is, he can not. What happened on the night of 13/14 March 2006 at 610 North Buchanan was nothing.; June 27, 2015 at 6:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Why are you allowing him to troll you then? seriously? Why does it matter that he says those things that the news and Duke and Kilgo led him to believe, when Ms. Mangum herself said it was more like a sexual assualt and that she thought the police were asking her who was in attendance at the party, not who the guilty persons were? ???

seriously?
why?; June 27, 2015 at 7:33 AM
guiowen said...: Sorry, Tinfoil. No answers for you until you answer my questions of June 2.; June 27, 2015 at 7:46 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

How did you get the news outlets to publish Ms. Mangum's (and your) complaint about the discrepancies between the state's medical examiner's autopsy report and Duke's medical records to begin with? It is curious that they are not still reporting on the justice system's inability to provide equal and fair representation and trial proceedings in this case. Do you think they will just report that Ms. Mangum 'lost' the appeal decision (if she does), or will they report on the problems with this case and appeal defense attorney's lack of equal and fair representation that you document on this site? What exactly prompted the news outlets to publish these issues in the paper?

Thank you in advance for your time in answering these questions.

I was extremely fortunate that the editor of The Durham News was willing to publish three of my opinions as a guest columnist. However, it has since been made clear to me that my limit has been reached. Nonetheless, I am pleased that I managed to get three published before the welcome wagon left town.

The mainstream media has been very biased against Crystal. I do not expect them to write objective articles about her. Definitely they will keep away from any investigative reporting... and editorializing about her case in the media is essentially non-existent.

I don't know when or how the Appeals Court will rule on the Mangum appeal filed by Petersen, but I don't think it will venture into problems with the prosecution's case against her.; June 27, 2015 at 9:03 AM
Anonymous said...: what the frack g ...

what is your problem?; June 27, 2015 at 9:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

You mentioned a list of nine appeal issues that you had found. Another poster said this list was in the appeal file or something similar. Is that where you found the list and can you please post that list of items here? Thank you in advance again.; June 27, 2015 at 9:11 AM
Anonymous said...: to the 9:05 am poster:

Please stop copy and pasting posts that were not originally made by you. I made that comment long ago when I finally got fed up with g...'s trolling behavior. We have gone way past that to the label evil duke troll it g... tinfoil hat hatemonger blogmonger after analyzing g...'s trolling behavior to determine what was wrong with g... Thank you.; June 27, 2015 at 9:22 AM
Anonymous said...: You've seen the brief - the only issue before the court of appeals is the 404b prior bad acts stuff. So, no they won't go into the other stuff - that's been discussed a lot on this blog.

The next possible opinion date is Juky 7.; June 27, 2015 at 9:29 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...Ms. Mangum herself said it was more like a sexual assualt and that she thought the police were asking her who was in attendance at the party, not who the guilty persons were?"

What was described in the Medical Record and in the initial police affidavit, based on What crystal said, was that crystal was assaulted by multiple males who penetrated her and deposited evidence on her. At the improper lineup, she was asked to identify her rapists. She identified Reade Seligman and Colin Finnerty with 100% certainty as her rapists and identified David Evans as her rapist with 90% certainty. DA Nifong then used her identifications to secure indictments for, among other things, first degree rape. About 6 months after the alleged crime allegedly happened, mike nifong had her interviewed by someone from his office. On that occaions, she said she could not remember being penetrated, which is when nifong dropped the rape charge.

Either you are ignorant or you are a liar.; June 27, 2015 at 9:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

You and kenny and trolls, and not very good ones at that. It is perfectly acceptable to point out that you are trolls and to ridicule you for your behavior.

Several people, including but not limited to Walt, Lance and g, have asked important questions, raised relevant issues and have tried to engage in serious discussions. What they've gotten in return are lies, misrepresentations, fabrications, distortions, ridiculous accusations, name calling and barely intelligible rants.

The reason that the press, police, DA, defense attorneys, courts, politicians or people in positions of power and authority have not acted on anything you, kenny or Sid have said is that nothing you have said is serious, truthful or worth acting upon. Your claims are not based in reality. They are not supported by the facts, the evidence or the law. They fly in the face of common sense and they cannot stand up to the least amount of scrutiny. If anyone even attempts to question or scrutinize your absurd claims your only response is start name calling and talking about conspiracies.

As long as you, kenny and Sid continue to willfully and purposefully distort the truth and attempt to subvert justice, I hope there will be people who will continue to point out just how silly and unserious you are.

Now go and have a sausage.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 27, 2015 at 11:33 AM
Anonymous said...: First line of the preceding post should read "You and kenny ARE trolls . . ."

Abe; June 27, 2015 at 11:34 AM
Anonymous said...: yeah right g... - i mean abe (sic)

blah; June 27, 2015 at 12:29 PM
Anonymous said...: g... your posts as usual hold no meaning at all except that you are an evil duke troll from kc's blog.

Why don't ya'll (you especially) stop trolling me copying and pasting my or anyone else's past posts to start new trolls and arguments against your own trolled cut and paste posts, and then screaming quit whining or quit trolling when a reply is given in defense or asking you to stop or whatever? Seriously.

blah; June 27, 2015 at 12:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Whatever. I think Ms. Mangum thought she was identifying who was at that party and said most of the people all looked the same in the lineup so she had a hard time with it to begin with, so why do ya'll keep blaming her for that mess. My point is you blame and sue duke and the duke / durham injustice system and then troll the heck on these blogs anyone who complains about duke and the duke / durham / nc injustice system or has a differing views on things because they read the local news. Do ya'll think you are so entitled that only ya'll can have the right to question the unjust system and corruption that duke does to harm others (even if it's Ms. Mangum)? seriously! Ya'll just seem like typical hypocritical evil dukies who have banded together into an online evil duke troll gang to me. Do ya'll plan on stopping?

The facts and watching the trial compared to all the other complaints I've been made aware of through the local news is what I base my comments on. Are you saying the local news misrepresents the truth when it pertains to Duke especially?; June 27, 2015 at 12:52 PM
Anonymous said...: June 27, 2015 at 12:31 PM

stop copy / pasting / plagerizing posts (any of them); June 27, 2015 at 12:55 PM
Anonymous said...: From what can be assumed from reading ya'lls posts, ya'll thought Ms. Mangum's company hired her out as prostitute not an exotic dancer. From what can be assumed from reading the local news, the exotic dancer's ya'll hired did NOT think they were prostitutes and did NOT appreciate the abuse thrown their way because some at the party thought they were. So ... as one could assume or deduce from those assumptions based on ya'lls posts and what was reported repeatedly ... the party goers (some of them at least) could logically be charged with trying to hire prostitutes and then going into a drunken (or entitled) rage when it was discovered that indeed the people you hired were exotic dancers and NOT prostitutes.; June 27, 2015 at 1:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

From the transcript of the police interview where Mangum identifies Reade Seligmann as one of her assailants:

IMAGE 7 (Reade Seligmann)

Mangum: He looks like one of the guys who assaulted me.

Sgt: How sure of that are you?

Mangum: 100%

Sgt: You're a 100% sure. Ok.

Mangum: Yes.

Sgt: How did he assault you? Which one was he?

Mangum: He was the one that was standing in front of me. um...that made
me perform oral sex on him.

So you are saying that Mangum was only trying to identify Reade Seligmann as being present at the party when she told the police that she was 100% certain that he stood in front of her and forced her to perform oral sex on him?

How stupid are you?

Do you see why no one takes you seriously. Now stop trolling and have a sausage.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 27, 2015 at 1:54 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

From the transcript of the police interview where Mangum identifies Collin Finnerty as one of her assialants:

IMAGE 40 (Collin Finnerty)

Mangum: He is the guy who assaulted me.

Sgt: What did he do?

Mangum: He put his penis in my anus and my vagina.

Sgt: Was he the first or second one to do that?

Mangum: The second one.

Sgt: Is he the one that strangled you or not?

Victim: No.

Sgt: So that is the gentleman who put his penis in your anus; picture #40.

In what language do the words "Yes, he was at the party" sound exactly like "He is the guy who assaulted me" and "He put his penis in my anus and my vagina?"

How magnificently dumb are you? Do you understand why it is impossible for anyone to take anything you say seriously?

Stop trolling and have a sausage.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 27, 2015 at 2:11 PM
Anonymous said...: "Anonymous said...

From what can be assumed from reading ya'lls posts, ya'll thought Ms. Mangum's company hired her out as prostitute not an exotic dancer. From what can be assumed from reading the local news, the exotic dancer's ya'll hired did NOT think they were prostitutes and did NOT appreciate the abuse thrown their way because some at the party thought they were. So ... as one could assume or deduce from those assumptions based on ya'lls posts and what was reported repeatedly ... the party goers (some of them at least) could logically be charged with trying to hire prostitutes and then going into a drunken (or entitled) rage when it was discovered that indeed the people you hired were exotic dancers and NOT prostitutes.

June 27, 2015 at 1:39 PM"

You are incredibly stupid.; June 27, 2015 at 2:15 PM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous Anonymous said...

June 27, 2015 at 12:31 PM

stop copy / pasting / plagerizing posts (any of them)

June 27, 2015 at 12:55 PM"

Boy are tou so stressed out from being incredibly stupid.; June 27, 2015 at 2:16 PM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous Anonymous said...

g... your posts as usual hold no meaning at all except that you are an evil duke troll from kc's blog.

Why don't ya'll (you especially) stop trolling me copying and pasting my or anyone else's past posts to start new trolls and arguments against your own trolled cut and paste posts, and then screaming quit whining or quit trolling when a reply is given in defense or asking you to stop or whatever? Seriously.

blah

June 27, 2015 at 12:31 PM"

g is not copying and pasting your posts. Boy are you s incredibly stupid.; June 27, 2015 at 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Sydney says:

"I am correct. Remember, Aykia Hanes stated that her apartment had a view of the parking lot. From her apartment there is no view of the woods. Mangum stated that her apartment with Daye had a view of the woods... they could not see the parking lot. According to the diagram, the Daye apartment N has a view of the woods and the Hanes apartment P has a view of the parking lot. Their apartments are directly opposite one another."

I went to the scene of the crime today and found out that for 3501 Century Oaks Rd, Durham, NC 27713 Building 3507, Apartment N & P they are side by side with no breezeway between them. So, Sydney is lying and making stuff up here. Aykia Hanes did not perjury herself as Sydney claims. Seems that anyone associating themselves with Magnum become liars in the end to support their claims. Very sad here as I did give Sydney some benefit of the doubt, but now it is obvious he is a big fake.

Here is a link to the picture I took and Apartment P is on the left towards the parking lot and apartment N is on the woods side. They share a wall.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/92nwo0g7xcrmzxd/IMG_5519.JPG?dl=0; June 27, 2015 at 2:22 PM
Anonymous said...: ya'll are just evil duke trolls ... and you prove it ... day in and day out

no one wants to read about ya'lls obsession with prostitutes and sex bashing - but ya'll just carry on and on - until nothing is left but to agree that ya'll are cyberbullying evil duke trolls with an obsession for trashing any and all cuz ya'll think you are entitled to (or something)

blah; June 27, 2015 at 2:42 PM
Anonymous said...: Presented with facts, Tinfoil can only respond with insults and invectives.

You are a troll. That is why people call you stupid. It is why no one takes anything you say seriously and it is why you are treated with derision, ridicule and contempt. Nobody likes a troll. Stop trolling and have a sausage instead.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 27, 2015 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: If she had a hard time she shouldn't have been 100 percent certain. That was her lie and her issue. She didn't say she had doubts - she was 100 percent sure. Stop making excuses for her. She lied.; June 27, 2015 at 3:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid, Kenny, and Tinfoil ...

Care to respond to photographic proof that Sid's groundbreaking proof of Kia Haynes's perjury is a lie he just made up?

I don't know if Kenny and Tinfoil actually care about crystal, but it's clear Sid doesn't. Sid you gonna respond or keep ignoring it? And Kenny and Tinfoil, you gonna keep defending the indefensible?

We await your response Kenny and Sid.; June 27, 2015 at 3:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Thank-you. Sid owes you $1,000 for elucidation, and all of us an apology.; June 27, 2015 at 3:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Can you explain why Aykia Hanes committed perjury?; June 27, 2015 at 4:38 PM
Anonymous said...: I don't read even half the sheat ya'll evil duke trolls post anymore, and haven't commented one way or the other about these latest facts, nor have I looked at the evidence yet, because frankly, if this is perjury or a mistake or whatever, I think it is for the courts to be concerned enough about to handle professionally, not anyone on this blog. Dr. Harr said he was going to give the information to the DA and others who are paid to provide fair and equal justice in this case. I suggest he provide Ms. Mangum with the information and assistance in developing her own correspondence with the DA or whomever is responsible, and possibly even with another appeal brief if she can file one that represents her defense and case better than has been done to date if need be. Ya'll just need someone to blame to feed your hatred for whatever (Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, Mr. Nifong) regardless of any facts, evidence, or what is actually said - as long as ya'll can troll and cyberbully some more, which is really all ya'll are doing.; June 27, 2015 at 4:45 PM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't read even half the sheat ya'll evil duke trolls post anymore, and haven't commented one way or the other about these latest facts, nor have I looked at the evidence yet, because frankly, if this is perjury or a mistake or whatever, I think it is for the courts to be concerned enough about to handle professionally, not anyone on this blog. Dr. Harr said he was going to give the information to the DA and others who are paid to provide fair and equal justice in this case. I suggest he provide Ms. Mangum with the information and assistance in developing her own correspondence with the DA or whomever is responsible, and possibly even with another appeal brief if she can file one that represents her defense and case better than has been done to date if need be. Ya'll just need someone to blame to feed your hatred for whatever (Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, Mr. Nifong) regardless of any facts, evidence, or what is actually said - as long as ya'll can troll and cyberbully some more, which is really all ya'll are doing.

June 27, 2015 at 4:45 PM"

Boy are you stressed.; June 27, 2015 at 5:24 PM
Anonymous said...: For those of you who don't speak Troll, what Tinfoil is saying is that he has no response to the proof presented that Sid's claim that Kia Haynes committed perjury is a lie, and he wishes to change the subject.; June 27, 2015 at 5:25 PM
Anonymous said...: no one needs a translation of what I said evil duke troll

Are you so brainwashed that you think others need your translation instead of thinking for themselves? egad and egad; June 27, 2015 at 5:32 PM
Anonymous said...: True to form, instead of addressing the issue, Tinfoil attacks the people who raised it.

Troll on, Tinfoil!; June 27, 2015 at 5:38 PM
Anonymous said...: What the frack is going on here? I leave for a little while and come back hoping to be elucidated by a nice shlog, but all I find are these evil, mean, hate-filled, nonsensical, crazy making comments from a bunch of insane hate-crime blog mongers.

blah

blah

blah; June 27, 2015 at 5:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Sid provided the "proof" of expert payments as well, and was wrong then. No one listens to him because he's too often wrong, and they know it. They aren't ignoring him out of hatred of Mangum they are ignoring him because he's wrong. He can send this apartment stuff to whomever he wants - but since he's wrong, nothing will happen with it.; June 27, 2015 at 5:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Idiot. Pathetic, loser, idiot who has nothing left to say. Your hero Sid is wrong and you can't handle it.

Wah wah wah.; June 27, 2015 at 5:40 PM
Anonymous said...: hey g you little fracker stop trolling me; June 27, 2015 at 5:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

If you want to be taken seriously, quite your trolling and address the issue.; June 27, 2015 at 5:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil does not want to be taken seriously. PDNFTT.; June 27, 2015 at 5:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

This website is about Mangum. Stop always trying to make it about you.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 27, 2015 at 5:56 PM
Anonymous said...: I thought this website was about the Fong.; June 27, 2015 at 6:36 PM
Anonymous said...: It hasn't been about The Fong for a long time. Sid gave up that ghost years ago. The website is about Mangum now.; June 27, 2015 at 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...: This website is about Sid and his ego. Always has been.; June 27, 2015 at 7:14 PM
Anonymous said...: Wanna bet Sid ignores the proof he's wrong?; June 27, 2015 at 7:19 PM
guiowen said...: Sidney,amigo mio,
How did you get this so wrong?; June 27, 2015 at 7:41 PM
Anonymous said...: No white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal Mangum much less go to all the trouble of raping her in a bathroom that was too small.Nifong knew that no rape had happened the whole time.; June 27, 2015 at 8:04 PM
guiowen said...: Anon 8:04,
I realize you dislike Crystal, but please don't make such comments.; June 27, 2015 at 8:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

This website is about Mangum. Stop always trying to make it about you.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL

Stop cyberbully trolling and making purposefully ignorant and deceitful comments and questions and no one will respond to you - oh wait - that's why you do it, eh. No, it is all about ya'll evil duke trolls agenda from ya'lls personal perspective that is the main topic of most of the posts on this blog.; June 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM
guiowen said...: Don't worry, Tinfoil, nobody really cares what you say. You can insult away to your heart's content and no one will do anything to you.; June 27, 2015 at 8:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil,

Exposing deceit and dishonesty isn't trolling or cyberbullying.; June 27, 2015 at 9:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

Sid was wrong about the IDS expert payments, he's wrong about the Akiya Haynes "perjury" and the apartment locations. Why is it trolling to point that out?

And Kenny and Sid - we await your response to why it's so acceptable for Sid to simply lie - and how you think this will help Crystal.; June 28, 2015 at 3:21 AM
Anonymous said...: You can point out your thoughts on all these matters all you want, just stop cyberbullying and trolling anyone else about them. That is the difference. Don't say you were not cyberbullying trolling anyone who doesn't follow blindly your view of things if you use tinfoil or tinfoil hat as a means to term someone in derogatory manner. seriously, ya'll just do not stop. Anyway, all apartments building like that have breezeways. How else do you get four apartments on one level with all the front doors opening into the same area? There has to be an opening (breezeway) for the doors to open into. Isn't that what ya'lls argument is? Go down and look for yourself or call the apartment manager if you want, but that still doesn't confirm who lived where. Maybe the bumps she said she heard was from someone bouncing a basketball off the wall (who knows)? The DA needs to handle this. If Dr. Harr wants to confirm himself, he can do that too. What happened to apartment O (was it an unlucky floor to begin with - much like a building that is missing the floor numbered 13)? How's that for a conspiracy theory? Why are the numbers 13 or an apartment labeled O missing from a building?; June 28, 2015 at 3:51 AM
Anonymous said...: i didn't say any of that evil duke troll it g... i am not talking on this blog right now much anyway except to Dr. Harr and to fight you off continuously as you troll on and on - and you know it since you are simply trolling yourself over and over again (as usual) even to fight yourself off (which is really weird btw - but hey that's you)

stop trying to pretend to be me - it is not working

you certainly are a prime example of the evil duke promotes - i am sure they are laughing along with you as you troll on

blah; June 28, 2015 at 5:03 AM
Anonymous said...: g ... i've already told you to stop copy and pasting posts that aren't even yours and then sitting there and trolling what you just posted.

seriously

get over yourself

troll doesn't even describe what you do any more g ... since you are seriously evil

DO NOT TROLL ME IN ANY WAY AT ALL AGAIN

thanks

blah blah blah; June 28, 2015 at 5:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 5:04:

Please stop your cyber bullying.; June 28, 2015 at 5:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 5:03:

Please stop your cyber bullying.; June 28, 2015 at 5:18 AM
Anonymous said...: There is a breezeway just not between the apartments like Sid claims. It's on the diagram he posted.

Yeah the banging could be anything, but Sid says they don't share a wall, they do. You can have all the opinions you want, but facts are facts - and Sid is wrong about them, yet claims everyone else is lying.

His constant lies and refusal to tell the truth does more harm than good for Crystal. It's too bad he gets off on abusing her and mistreating her. He clearly likes to delude her and see her suffer, and Kenny and Tinfoil help with that abuse and probably laugh with him.

His blockbuster evidence about Akiya Haynes committing perjury is simply wrong. Maybe she didn't hear what she said, but she wasn't lying about sharing a wall and Meier didn't show his corruption by not challenging her about sharing a wall.

Sid is wrong and the fact he, Kenny, and tinfoil si ply don't care just shows how their claims to help Crystal are just a cruel joke on her. Their hatred of Crystal and cruelty in constantly getting her to run from those trying to help to believe in their false hope is staggering and sad. I imagine they like hearing her cry at each time their efforts fail.

Sid, you were elucidated - pay the $1,000 to the man who proved you wrong and address it, don't ignore it or change the subject. Of curse you won't, this is just a cruel game you play to abuse Crystal.; June 28, 2015 at 5:53 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 3:51:

Sid claims the apartments do no share a common wall. Anonymous 2:22 claims that he went to the building to inspect the layout. He posted a picture of the doors. His picture is inconsistent with Sidney's claims.

There are three explanations:

1. Anonymous 2:22 is lying and the picture is not of the apartments.
2. Sidney is lying.
3. Sidney obtained information from someone who lied to him and he did not confirm it.; June 28, 2015 at 5:58 AM
Anonymous said...: The diagram Sydney provides is inconsistent with his statements, the picture he himself posted is inconsistent, Kia Haynes's testimony (and Crystal's - she testified Kia was a next-door neighbor and they shared a wall - Sid hints at this but says she was confused). And he never confirms anything, when he does he get proven wrong.

The only conclusion is Sid is lying to further his abuse of crystal.; June 28, 2015 at 6:23 AM
Anonymous said...: He admitted he didn't ask Crystal about this before he posted it, nor will he. He admitted he didn't go to the scene.

He will now either totally ignore it or blame the diagram which doesn't show the breezeway he claims it does. And he seems unable to comprehend how they can face the parking lot and woods - though that is absolutely obvious from the diagram, pictures, and discussion posted here - and missing something that basic has to make you question his motives.; June 28, 2015 at 6:27 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: Please be patient. kenhyderal will explain everything.; June 28, 2015 at 7:30 AM
Anonymous said...: No, Kenny will say it's an open case and refuse to address it, but he will also refuse to condemn Sid who admits he won't hold anything back because he disagrees with doing that, so he knows he hurts Crystal and doesn't care.

When caught in such a bald-faced lie, they will just call us trolls, and move on to the nex debunked theory blaming Duke an the media for the lies. Hell, I bet Duke had the apartments rebuilt to cover for Akiya's story - they knew they needed them to share a wall, so they rebuilt it - but Sid has exposed them!; June 28, 2015 at 7:56 AM
Anonymous said...: What is there to explain? This entire website is based on lies and misrepresentations. It's not like this is the first time Sid has been caught misrepresenting the facts and making false claims and accusations. It's why no one involved in Mangum's case or in a position to assist Mangum will have anything to do with Sid.

If Mangum chooses to put stock in what Sid says, that's on her. She's a big girl and she can make her own decisions.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 28, 2015 at 7:58 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: kenhyderal will review the photos, diagrams and other evidence, run extensive Google searches, and then provide us an analysis supporting Dr. Harr's conclusions.; June 28, 2015 at 8:48 AM
Anonymous said...: June 28, 2015 at 5:53 AM

you are an evil duke troll to say i help with any abuse against Ms. Mangum

where the f* do you get that from anyway

seriously

(you can look back at all my recent posts to Dr. Harr and see that I continue to caution him and Ken Edwards against causing her (or anyone) any harm - so - seriously - why do you keep trying to blame me for ANYTHING could never be understood except by what I also continually also state - that ya'll are cyberbullying evil duke trolls bent on harming any and all who are not you or do not support your agenda of hatred against Ms. Mangum, etc.); June 28, 2015 at 8:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 8:54:

Please stop your cyber bullying.; June 28, 2015 at 9:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil ... Do you support Sid's obvious lies?; June 28, 2015 at 9:15 AM
Anonymous said...: Crickets ... all I see are crickets ...

Sid, Kenny, Tinfoil ... c'mon, you know you can fit this absolute and total failure of evidence of a lie by Akiya Haynes into your anti-Crystal; pro-Duke conspiracy ...

But, seriously, Sid, where can the picture taker get his $1,000?

You are lucky you are considered too much of a joke for anyone to take seriously - you could be sued for defamation by many people.; June 28, 2015 at 12:50 PM
Anonymous said...: Abe's comment bears repeating:

People who assert Mangum was raped at the lacrosse party, that she was not a prostitute and is an honest person whose word should be unquestionably accepted as gospel truth, who slime the victims of her bad conduct, impugn attorneys who are trying to assist her, speak of massive conspiracies, celebrate Mike Nifong as a bastion of prosecutorial integrity, talk about mystery rapists and secret evidence, misstate the law and facts of the case, and make outrageously false statements and predictions are the trolls.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 28, 2015 at 4:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Leave me out of this debate. I had already warned Dr. Harr not to post this sharlog to begin with out of concern for the safety and rights of the witnesses. I have not looked at the evidence on this matter, nor will I.

If I was on a jury, I would not have used her testimony for anything other than to wonder why there wasn't an apartment O on that level because there are many reasons why bumbs can happen against walls (basketball bouncing?, etc.), and there was no questioning about the bumbs sufficient to determine anything except the lady was hearing bumps against her walls. What happened to apartment O would have been what I wondered about the most actually on that issue given the testimony. I mean, maybe there is this hidden apartment O where troll like creatures reside who makes bumbs happen like the proverbial 'things that go bumb in the night'? That's how much that evidence would persuade me about guilt or non-guilt in this case if I were on the jury. Or I would have wondered why didn't she call 911 if she heard a big fight going on instead of just looking through the peephole.; June 29, 2015 at 2:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

"...I would have wondered why didn't she call 911 if she heard a big fight going on instead of just looking through the peephole."

June 29, 2015 at 2:46 AM

But you never wondered why crystal neve called 911 after she stabbed Reginald Daye.; June 29, 2015 at 4:31 AM
Anonymous said...: she did, so no; June 29, 2015 at 5:13 AM
Anonymous said...: This issue just shows how weak the evidence was against Ms. Mangum that the prosecutor had to prove Ms. Mangum's guilt. Why she wasn't more concerned about the obvious evidence of discrepancy between the Duke medical reports and state's autopsy report used to charge Ms. Mangum in the first place shows a very real lack of concern for the safety and rights of Mr. Daye, Ms. Mangum, or ANY citizen of this state to not be subjected to the level of threat those issues pose more than anything.; June 29, 2015 at 5:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

You stated earlier that none of the knives tested had fingerprints on them. That is an issue that deserves further examination. How could the knives ended up scattered like reported with no fingerprints on them? Why were they scattered? Did the knife that Mr. Daye got stabbed with have fingerprints on them? Who is doing the testing? What is their conflict with Duke? Why wouldn't the defense attorney question those issues and point them out very clearly to prove that ALL the issues presented in the trial had so many questions left unanswered that the only conclusion a non-conflicted jury could surmise was that there was NOT sufficient evidence to prove anything other than Mr. Daye attacked and assaulted Ms. Mangum in such a violent way that she felt compelled to protect her life with a knife in self-defense against Mr. Daye after he attacked her. He clearly did not do his job in providing defense assistance for his client.; June 29, 2015 at 5:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil said:

"I have not looked at the evidence on this matter, nor will I."

"If I was on a jury, I would not have used her testimony for anything other than to wonder why there wasn't an apartment O . . .."

These quotes show why you are a troll and illustrate the deeper problem with the J4N crew.

Your proudly proclaim that you have not looked atthe evdience and have no intention of doing so, and that you would disregard (w/o explanation or justification) the incredibly damaging and self-incriminating testimony Mangum gave. Yet you claim that Mangum is innocent and that she has been treated unfairly. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously or consider you anything but a troll (anmd not a very good one, at that)?

In the real world, thoughtful, serious people (including police, DA's, judges and juries) are obliged to consider the facts and evidence before reaching a conclusion. They do not form an opinion first and then willfully ignore anything that does not support it. Only the dumb and ignorant engage in such sophistry. The facts and evidence in this case point to one inescapable conclusion: that Mangum murdered Mr. Daye.

You are an unserious person and you enshitten us all with your ridiculous comments. The world is a dumber place with you in it. You do not deserve, nor will you get, a sausage.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 29, 2015 at 6:00 AM
Anonymous said...: There is no one to blame but the medical technicians who were unable to perform an intubation procedure without causing life threatening harm to the patient based on the evidence available in this case. THAT is why the state's medical examiner failed to include that issue from the medical records in his autopsy report perhaps. His actions and duke's actions are the main issues in this case concerning the death of Mr. Daye, not Ms. Mangum's self-defense against yet another violent assualt.; June 29, 2015 at 6:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Abe,

leave me the f* alone. you are biased against Ms. Mangum, and that is obvious.

i thought my comments were right on the mark as it relates to what a jurist with a real intention of providing unbiased judgement in that trial might conclude.; June 29, 2015 at 6:14 AM
Anonymous said...: You thought your comments were right on the mark because you are a delusional fool.; June 29, 2015 at 6:18 AM
Anonymous said...: 6:18 AM
I could charge you with defamation for that comment if I wanted, so I suggest you leave me alone too. Thanks; June 29, 2015 at 6:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

"[A] jurist with a real intention of providing unbiased judgment" would look at all the evidence and consider Mangum's testimony before reaching a conclusion, as they are obliged to do. They would also make an effort to understand and properly apply the law. That is precisely what happened in this case. They would not subvert justice by ignoring the facts, testimony and law to reach the result you want.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 29, 2015 at 6:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

You are either a delusional fool or a very bad troll. Pick one.

Good luck prosecuting anyone for making such an observation.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 29, 2015 at 6:45 AM
Anonymous said...: And your point is? Any jury in that trial would have realized that the defense was not receiving adequate legal defense assistance to begin with, and would have had to acknowledge that they did not have sufficient evidence to provide a judgement of murder.; June 29, 2015 at 6:46 AM
Anonymous said...: An anonymous poster is now claiming he's been defamed.

Isn't it ironic...don't you think?; June 29, 2015 at 6:49 AM
Anonymous said...: It's like rain on your wedding day. A free ride when you've already paid.; June 29, 2015 at 7:03 AM
Anonymous said...: Tinfoil:

We don't need to speculate about what a jury should or would do. We know what an actual jury did: they quickly convicted Mangum, based on the facts, evidence, testimony and law of the case.

The only issue remaining is whether the jury should have been given evidence of Mangum's prior threats to stab someone else.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 29, 2015 at 7:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Obviously the jury didn't have all the evidence about the discrepancies between the state's autopsy report and dukes medical reports documenting medical malpractice as the real cause of Mr. Daye's death to obtain any verdict that MOST people would judge as fair or equal protection for anyone. If that jury had all the relevant information needed to even judge this case to begin with, there would still be the issue of the conflict with duke of at least three of jurors that would need to be questioned before MOST people agreed with that juries judgement in this case unless the judgement was for not guilty. Just the way MOST people are when it pertains to these sort of things. Could be the reason why the appeal defense attorney did not mention these type issues in the appeal brief to begin with, because MOST people would agree that these issues definitely negate the trial to begin with by reason of laws and rules for a fair, unbiased, and equal trial.; June 29, 2015 at 8:49 AM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous Anonymous said...

she did, so no

June 29, 2015 at 5:13 AM"

Yeah, a certain length of time after she stabbed him and lft him bleeding while she skipped out.; June 29, 2015 at 9:15 AM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous Anonymous said...

This issue just shows how weak the evidence was against Ms. Mangum that the prosecutor had to prove Ms. Mangum's guilt. Why she wasn't more concerned about the obvious evidence of discrepancy between the Duke medical reports and state's autopsy report used to charge Ms. Mangum in the first place shows a very real lack of concern for the safety and rights of Mr. Daye, Ms. Mangum, or ANY citizen of this state to not be subjected to the level of threat those issues pose more than anything.

June 29, 2015 at 5:21 AM"

You aer incredibly stupid.; June 29, 2015 at 9:16 AM
Anonymous said...: "
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no one to blame but the medical technicians who were unable to perform an intubation procedure without causing life threatening harm to the patient based on the evidence available in this case. THAT is why the state's medical examiner failed to include that issue from the medical records in his autopsy report perhaps. His actions and duke's actions are the main issues in this case concerning the death of Mr. Daye, not Ms. Mangum's self-defense against yet another violent assualt.

June 29, 2015 at 6:09 AM"

How many times have you ever intubated any one? If you haven't, you have no idea of how difficult it is to intubated someone who suddenly vomits and aspirates. You sound like a greedy trial lawyer trolling for a big contingency fee.; June 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous said...

6:18 AM
I could charge you with defamation for that comment if I wanted, so I suggest you leave me alone too. Thanks

June 29, 2015 at 6:26 AM"

Boy are you stressed out over your incredible stupidity.; June 29, 2015 at 9:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Self-defense was the only way for Crystal to get a Not Guilty. It's shameful and sad that so many are still saying she should have ignored that argument and sacrificed herself to go after their alleged issues with Duke.

Remember, the entire theory of issues is based on the idea that no one actually talked to Dr. Nichols, and Dr. Roberts, and the others and knew how they would answer.

And, after this debacle with the apartments (and the previous one on the experts, and many others), how can you even remotely take Sid seriously or think he has any credibility?

Oh, and truth is an absolute defense to defamation - so even if you weren't posting anonymously, and they were directed at you personally, you couldn't sue. Plus, defamation isn't a crime, so not sure how you'd charge anyone with it.; June 29, 2015 at 9:34 AM
Anonymous said...: People who have no grasp of a subject matter or who choose not to learn beyond a certain level about the same are those who label other's ideas or knowledge stupid or the like.; June 29, 2015 at 9:37 AM
Anonymous said...: The jury had all the evidence it needed, and all the evidence that was admissable, relevant, material and competent with respect to the issue of the cause of Mr. Daye's death. It reached the only conclusion it could based on the facts and the law.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 29, 2015 at 9:42 AM
Anonymous said...: No it didn't Abe. Obviously you are not serious in your assessment about the trial and what actually happened in the trial and the evidence that was presented and how it was presented in order to reach that conclusion. The only conclusion one could surmise about that trial was that there were questions about the autopsy report that were not being answered fully or questioned properly, that the evidence against Ms. Mangum was questionable but not questioned, and that the defense attorney was not defending the defendant sufficiently in order to reach any definitive conclusion about quilt. Was the jury allowed to examine and compare carefully the state's autopsy report, the defense autopsy report, and the duke medical records? If so, did they have the medical knowledge available to them to understand and question properly the evidence available to them? Did they have a full and complete understanding of the law as it pertained to the malpractice issues? If not, how could they even judge the case to begin with?; June 29, 2015 at 9:58 AM
kenhyderal said...: Abe said: People who assert Mangum was raped at the lacrosse party, that she was not a prostitute and is an honest person whose word should be unquestionably accepted as gospel truth, who slime the victims of her bad conduct, impugn attorneys who are trying to assist her, speak of massive conspiracies, celebrate Mike Nifong as a bastion of prosecutorial integrity, talk about mystery rapists and secret evidence, misstate the law and facts of the case, and make outrageously false statements and predictions are the trolls.............................. Former DA Mike Nifong and Investigative Author William Cohan believe Crystal. In an attempt to discredit Crystal, the Duke Lacrosse Defence Lawyers "beat the bushes" all over Durham, in vain, trying to get evidence that Crystal had engaged in prostitution. When they failed they resorted to innuendo. Crystal takes oaths seriously and always testifies truthfully. Milton Walker stated he, himself, bore equal responsibility for the incident. Reginald Daye by his own admission without cause attacked Crystal. Attorneys, appointed to Crystal, who let months pass without doing anything or even speaking to her deserve to be called out. The identity of those who raped Crystal may be a mystery to you and me but not to some who witnessed the crime. I know what the Welch and Holsclaw rulings say but I disagree with the Jury's interpretation of Judge Ridgeway's instructions regarding the law on this matter. Crystal was convicted on circumstantial evidence not on facts. The only prediction I make is that, eventually, the truth will prevail. Can you point to an outrageously false declarative statement I have made?; June 29, 2015 at 10:20 AM
Anonymous said...: I watched the entire trial -- at no time was their any mention of Ms. Mangum's quilt.
There was no way the trial could have reached a definitive conclusion about quilt.
Therefore we can only conclude that Ms Mangum should be considered not quilty.; June 29, 2015 at 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...: "How many times have you ever intubated any one? If you haven't, you have no idea of how difficult it is to intubated someone who suddenly vomits and aspirates. You sound like a greedy trial lawyer trolling for a big contingency fee.

June 29, 2015 at 9:19 AM"

A greedy trial lawyer trolling ... wtf? ???

I do know now after considering Dr. Harr's medical explanation of things how difficult and risky it is to intubate people. That is why major precautions are taken when doing it so that the patient does not end up dead during the procedure. I also however know that there are other less risky tests and means of providing information that the duke doctors could have choosen in this case, and that they are the ones responsible to make sure the procedure does not end in life threatening results if they choose to use it, and that if they do make mistakes it is labeled malpractice, and that if it is malpractice then they are the one's at fault since they are the ones choosing the procedure, performing the procedure, and fracking up the procedure. In this case, when a test is all that was being done, they could have choosen an alternate, less risky method of dealing with the issues for which the test was being done to begin with.; June 29, 2015 at 10:25 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr is not licensed to practice medicine anywhere. When he did practice he had no specialty or advanced training. He had a very brief and very undistinguished medical career filled with failure. That is why he is not practicing medicine anymore. He didn't retire after a long and lucrative career; he could not advance beyond what would be considered entry level positions for medical school grads. His career, such as it was, was a failure that was buried in an avalanche of litigation. It is why he lives in subsidized housing, doesn't own a car and has to go to the library to use their free internet. He is not an expert in anything and is incompetent as a matter of law to render expert testimony.

It's easy for Sid to sit in the cheap seats and cast aspersions on the people actually doing the work he is not qualified to do. After all, he has nothing to do and all day to do it. However, Sid's claim are empty and devoid of merit. Importantly, he has not been able to locate a single medical professional is the world willing to testify in court that the stab wound inflicted by Mangum was not a proximate cause of Mr. Daye's death.

The risk and difficulty associated with intubating people (or any medical procedure) is why you should not stab, shoot, wound or maim people. Getting your victim to the hospital alive does not relieve you of responsibility for your actions or the ultimate outcome (if it is less than optimal).

If there was a medical error (which has not been established), then Mr. Daye's family has a claim against whoever committed it. However, it is not a defense to the charges against Ms. Mangum. This has been explained ad nauseum, with citations to the relevant cases. Merely wishing otherwise and making false claims to the contrary does not raise a justiciable question.

Don't even think about having a sausage.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 29, 2015 at 11:01 AM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous:

"I do know now after considering Dr. Harr's medical explanation of things how difficult and risky it is to intubate people."

And sidney, in spite of the MD appended to his name, knows nothing about how to intubate someone in an emergency situation. Eggo you still know nothing. You are just as incredibly stupid as you have always been.; June 29, 2015 at 11:01 AM
Anonymous said...: Yeah, a certain length of time after she stabbed him and lft him bleeding while she skipped out.

June 29, 2015 at 9:15 AM

Mr. Daye left the apartment first from all accounts. Ms. Mangum knew Mr. Daye had a relative living in the building that he would have gone to get help, and that this relative was old enough to call 911 immediately to obtain medical assistance for Mr. Daye if needed. So, she did not leave him bleeding, he was the one who left first, and she did call 911 as soon as she was safely able to do so. Nothing wrong with what she did considering the situation.; June 29, 2015 at 11:08 AM
Anonymous said...: And sidney, in spite of the MD appended to his name, knows nothing about how to intubate someone in an emergency situation. Eggo you still know nothing. You are just as incredibly stupid as you have always been.

June 29, 2015 at 11:01 AM

seriously evil duke troll, do not call me incredibly stupid again because you have absolutely nothing to base that statement on except your own ignorance.

thanks; June 29, 2015 at 11:11 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: "and she did call 911 as soon as she was safely able to do so. Nothing wrong with what she did considering the situation."

I thought one of Mangum's children called 911? At least, that's the call that was played during the trial.

O; June 29, 2015 at 11:22 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @11:11: Are you the same Anonymous that threatened to charge someone with defamation?

If so, then there is definitely something to base the statement that you are incredibly stupid.

Thanks.; June 29, 2015 at 11:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Why are you ignoring Sid's obvious fraud and lies in this latest blog post?

Can't you see he's hurting Crystal?; June 29, 2015 at 11:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous Fake Kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @11:11: Are you the same Anonymous that threatened to charge someone with defamation?

If so, then there is definitely something to base the statement that you are incredibly stupid.

Thanks.

June 29, 2015 at 11:26 AM

Just because someone does not know all the ins and outs of legal procedures does not mean they are incredibly stupid unless perhaps they are experts in the area of law and proclaim such. I am not a lawyer nor have I ever said I was. The message I was trying to convey therefore was not incredibly stupid as some who choose to call people incredibly stupid about almost everything said on this blog would have you believe.; June 29, 2015 at 11:39 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: "Crystal takes oaths seriously and always testifies truthfully"

Please refer to WRAL's video here.

Let the view judge for themselves the truthfulness of Crystal's testimony.; June 29, 2015 at 11:56 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 11:08: "Mr. Daye left the apartment first from all accounts."

According to Crystal herself, Reggie did not leave the apartment first.

She said so during her "truthful" testimony.; June 29, 2015 at 12:05 PM

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