justice4nifong: Official J4N Investigation into Reginald Daye's autopsy report and death

Saturday, June 6, 2015

Official J4N Investigation into Reginald Daye's autopsy report and death

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Anonymous said...: What does it say? I can't access a flask file on my iPad.; June 6, 2015 at 12:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Do you have a transcript?; June 6, 2015 at 12:54 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney,

You say that this is an "official Justice4Nifong investigation." Did the J4N executive committed approve this investigation or is this really just your investigation? Who was involved in the investigation besides you?; June 6, 2015 at 12:59 PM
kenhyderal supporter said...: Sid has uncovered mind-boggling/smoking-gun information that will blow the lid off Mangum's conviction. The end of this travesty is near.; June 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
What does it say? I can't access a flask file on my iPad.

Sorry. You'll have to find a laptop somewhere. It is about the investigation I put together and presented to the NC State Bureau of Investigation. Because it is composed of other flash files and not written, I have no transcripts. You'll understand once you see the site. It's impossible to put everything on a transcript.; June 6, 2015 at 1:06 PM
Anonymous said...: But he doesn't want to tell anyone what it is?; June 6, 2015 at 1:07 PM
Anonymous said...: My office now blocks your schlogs as well.; June 6, 2015 at 1:08 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sidney,

You say that this is an "official Justice4Nifong investigation." Did the J4N executive committed approve this investigation or is this really just your investigation? Who was involved in the investigation besides you?

For all intents and purposes, it is essentially my investigation. However, others have helped, for example by bringing me records and discovery. But essentially, it consists of the work and investigation compiled from former sharlogs with some additional new information thrown into it. What I wanted to do was produce a sharlog which was organized as an investigation of sorts.; June 6, 2015 at 1:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Does this focus on the esophageal intubation and ignore prior case law that holds that medical malpractice generally done not cut off liability that has been the focus of prior schlogs or does it incorporate new material?; June 6, 2015 at 1:12 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: kenhyderal supporter said...
Sid has uncovered mind-boggling/smoking-gun information that will blow the lid off Mangum's conviction. The end of this travesty is near.

Actually, it is the next sharlog that will be the mind-blowing one that will herald the end of the travesty. I began writing it this morning, and hope to have it completely written and narrated no later than Monday, then I will begin laying down the soundtrack and adding images.

The next sharlog will contain the unbelievable revelations. Be patient.; June 6, 2015 at 1:13 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
My office now blocks your schlogs as well.

That tells me that your office wants to remain ignorant and unenlightened. Unfortunately, that's your office employees' loss.; June 6, 2015 at 1:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Does your apartment building still classify your blog as a hate site?; June 6, 2015 at 1:17 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Does this focus on the esophageal intubation and ignore prior case law that holds that medical malpractice generally done not cut off liability that has been the focus of prior schlogs or does it incorporate new material?

Unlike turncoat attorney Meier, I do not concede that State v. Welch is applicable to Mangum's case. Welch is actually a lot more restrictive than most commenters wish to believe when it comes to Mangum. Esophageal intubation is an integral part of the miscarriage of justice against Mangum, but also included is the perjury of Dr. Nichols, and the recently exposed perjury of the State's other primary witness Aykia Hanes. The next sharlog will delve into the problems with the Hanes' testimony. I am working on that sharlog now.; June 6, 2015 at 1:19 PM
Anonymous said...: That is the smoking gun? Kia Hanes?

Has an attorney provide you advice that Welch does not pally? Or is that your personal legal opinion? As we have seen, your legal judgment frequently is faulty.; June 6, 2015 at 1:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Sorry.... I meant welch does not apply.; June 6, 2015 at 1:24 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

I was unsuccessful in getting my Flash to work, so I am currently using a Cloud Flash that is good for 30 days, so I'm going to try and cram in as many sharlogs as I can during that time.

With regards to my CS3 Flash, my daughter believes that the recent Window updates have somehow compromised my Flash to the point it is unable to deliver larger files. So what I will do is put my CS3 suite in my computer that has a Windows Vista operating system and then keeping that laptop from updating. Thank all of you for your suggestions.

I've just started writing the next sharlog which will focus on the perjury of the Aykia Hanes testimony... should be narrated by Monday.... hopefully online no later than mid-week.

One other note of interest... I was pleasantly surprised that the NC State Bar did not disbar Tracey Cline. Its members must have experienced a momentary instance of sanity.

As you were.; June 6, 2015 at 1:26 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
That is the smoking gun? Kia Hanes?

Has an attorney provide you advice that Welch does not pally? Or is that your personal legal opinion? As we have seen, your legal judgment frequently is faulty.

Actually, it is nearly next to impossible to get an attorney to talk to me. So, the answer to you first question is no, and your second is yes.; June 6, 2015 at 1:28 PM
Anonymous said...: What the frack is going on here? I leave for a little while and come back hoping to be elucidated by a nice shlog, but all I find are these evil, mean, hate-filled, nonsensical, crazy making comments from a bunch of insane hate-crime blog mongers.

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blah; June 6, 2015 at 3:32 PM
kenhyderal supporter said...: I'm proud to call kenhyderal my friend.; June 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Does anyone really believe a totally unqualified incredibly stupid individual like sidney is capable of conducting a meaningful investigation into the death of Reginald Daye, let alone an official one.

For anyone who believes he can, then God Help You.; June 6, 2015 at 6:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Nifong Supporter said...

"...the next sharlog that will be the mind-blowing"

sid, we know you have blown your mind past the point of comprehending reality long ago. That is theonly mind blowing you have ever accomplished.; June 6, 2015 at 7:01 PM
guiowen said...: I always go out of my way to help Kenhyderal any way I can; June 6, 2015 at 7:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Is there anything new in this? How important is it that I go out of my way to find a computer on which I can run the schlog?; June 6, 2015 at 7:33 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen Said:, "I always go out of my way to help Kenhyderal any way I can".......... A sarcastic man is a wounded man.; June 6, 2015 at 9:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
"Is there anything new in this? How important is it that I go out of my way to find a computer on which I can run the schlog?"

There is nothing new or important in this shlog. It's just a rehash of Sid's old shlogs, presented in an inconvenient and hard to access format.

I am afraid that Sid has stopped trying and is just phoning it in.; June 6, 2015 at 11:30 PM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Guiowen Said:, "I always go out of my way to help Kenhyderal any way I can".......... A sarcastic man is a wounded man.

June 6, 2015 at 9:15 PM"

And an incredibly stupid man is still incredibly stupid.; June 7, 2015 at 10:27 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
"Is there anything new in this? How important is it that I go out of my way to find a computer on which I can run the schlog?"

There is nothing new or important in this shlog. It's just a rehash of Sid's old shlogs, presented in an inconvenient and hard to access format.

I am afraid that Sid has stopped trying and is just phoning it in.

As I have stated many times before, this current sharlog is basically an organization of past sharlogs in the form of investigation into Daye's death and autopsy report. Much is repeated.

However, the sharlog which I have just begun working on, will contain significant new information... information about the Mangum trial which has never before been presented. I have completed its draft a couple of hours ago, and will narrate it tomorrow morning. Naturally, much evidence will be included in this sharlog as well.; June 7, 2015 at 11:42 AM
Anonymous said...: If it is so earth shattering, why not share it, then provide the proof? And you doing anything with it other than post it on an unwatched blog?; June 7, 2015 at 11:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid said:

"However, the sharlog which I have just begun working on, will contain significant new information... information about the Mangum trial which has never before been presented. I have completed its draft a couple of hours ago, and will narrate it tomorrow morning."

Good. If I were you I'd want to put this shlog behind me as soon as possible, too.

Also, make sure you add a lot of images and a good soundtrack to your new shlog to distract from the lack of substance and factual inaccuracies.; June 7, 2015 at 3:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Nifong Supporter said...

"As I have stated many times before, this current sharlog is basically an organization of past sharlogs in the form of investigation into Daye's death and autopsy report. Much is repeated."

Meaning this is all recirculated crap.; June 7, 2015 at 4:58 PM
guiowen said...: I'm sorry, Sidney. There's no way I can open your sharlog.; June 7, 2015 at 5:26 PM
kenhyderal supporter said...: I agree. A sarcastic man is a wounded man.; June 7, 2015 at 8:24 PM
guiowen said...: Sidney,
I finally got it to open. Nothing new there, though.; June 7, 2015 at 8:36 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: guiowen said...
I'm sorry, Sidney. There's no way I can open your sharlog.

gui, mon ami... Hmmm. I don't know why that would be. Have you tried to open it on an actual computer or laptop? It works at the public library here, so I would guess that you might be able to open it at the public library.

Let me know if you have any success.; June 8, 2015 at 1:06 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Oops... I just saw that you were able to open it.

The current sharlog I am working on will have much new stuff on it. Right now I have narrated it and will begin laying down the audio tracks. Will try to get it online as quickly as possible.; June 8, 2015 at 1:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Mangum should have been given the death sentence but women always get a free pass.She wasn't punished for falsely accusing innocent young men of gang raping her in a bathroom either.No way would they ever have wanted to touch her.; June 8, 2015 at 4:01 PM
Anonymous said...: I shaved my legs for this?

The Great Kilgo; June 8, 2015 at 11:56 PM
kenhyderal supporter said...: This poster now using the name the Great Kilgo is an imposter. He is a sadistic person here to make game of those trying to assist Crystal.; June 9, 2015 at 5:23 AM
Walt said...: Gui wrote: "I finally got it to open. Nothing new there, though."

Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner.

Walt-in-Durham; June 9, 2015 at 6:07 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal supporter wrote: "This poster now using the name the Great Kilgo is an imposter. He is a sadistic person here to make game of those trying to assist Crystal."

The Great Kilgo may or may not be an impostor, but those trying to assist Crystal have rendered no assistance of any sort. Sid betrayed her confidence and published her independent medical examiner's report. Sid and Kenny filled her head full of tales about conspiracies and how she could disregard the excellent advice she was receiving from numerous lawyers. Sid cooked up a theory of medical malpractice when the pattern jury instructions and the case law clearly say that medical malpractice is not an intervening cause unless it is the sole cause of death.

Through betrayal and telling her things that were just not true, Sid and Kenny have become Crystal's second and third worst enemies. (She is her own worst enemy.)

Walt-in-Durham; June 9, 2015 at 6:15 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Kenhyderal supporter wrote: "This poster now using the name the Great Kilgo is an imposter. He is a sadistic person here to make game of those trying to assist Crystal."

The Great Kilgo may or may not be an impostor, but those trying to assist Crystal have rendered no assistance of any sort. Sid betrayed her confidence and published her independent medical examiner's report. Sid and Kenny filled her head full of tales about conspiracies and how she could disregard the excellent advice she was receiving from numerous lawyers. Sid cooked up a theory of medical malpractice when the pattern jury instructions and the case law clearly say that medical malpractice is not an intervening cause unless it is the sole cause of death.

Through betrayal and telling her things that were just not true, Sid and Kenny have become Crystal's second and third worst enemies. (She is her own worst enemy.)

Walt-in-Durham

Walt, Crystal was convicted because of betrayal by her own attorneys and with the help of perjured testimony of two of prosecution's star witnesses. The next sharlog should enlighten even you.

Ding-a-ling.; June 9, 2015 at 7:43 AM
Walt said...: No Sid, Crystal was convicted because she was and is guilty. She was betrayed by you and given very bad advice by Kenny. No one perjured themselves except Crystal. She was caught lying about too many things in her testimony. But, you keep on kidding yourself, if that makes you feel better. Won't change the fact that you betrayed her confidence though.

Walt-in-Durham; June 9, 2015 at 8:26 AM
Anonymous said...: She wasn't caught in any lies Walt. Just another of your anti-Mangum how many ways do you want me to kiss your arse and humble myself to your brand of ethics Duke? bs ... as usual.; June 9, 2015 at 8:47 AM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said: "medical malpractice is not an intervening cause 'unless' it is the sole cause of death"...............................Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner". Nichol's conclusion skipped any mention of medical malpractice as if it never occurred and although Roberts certainly knew better she decline to condemn her colleague and unethically chose, instead, to mitigate his incompetent work at the expense of a poor marginalized and unpopular, thanks to the unrelenting campaign of slander, individual.; June 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM
Anonymous said...: Nifong Supporter said...

"Walt, Crystal was convicted because of betrayal by her own attorneys and with the help of perjured testimony of two of prosecution's star witnesses. The next sharlog should enlighten even you.

Ding-a-ling."

Well, if that line is how you describe yourself and your mental state, there may be hope for you.that would be a glimmer of insight.; June 9, 2015 at 10:48 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Walt said: "medical malpractice is not an intervening cause 'unless' it is the sole cause of death"...............................Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner". Nichol's conclusion skipped any mention of medical malpractice as if it never occurred and although Roberts certainly knew better she decline to condemn her colleague and unethically chose, instead, to mitigate his incompetent work at the expense of a poor marginalized and unpopular, thanks to the unrelenting campaign of slander, individual.

June 9, 2015 at 9:51 AM"

Thus speaks kenny, the incredibly stupid individual who fancies himself a medical expert. Can we say, totally divorced from reality, boys and girls?; June 9, 2015 at 10:51 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 8:47:

Crystal was caught in some misstatements. Two examples include: (1) her claim that she pulled the mattress off the bed and (2) she stabbed Daye in the bedroom. The mattress was on the bed, and the blood spatter indicated the stabbing took place in the hallway.; June 9, 2015 at 2:54 PM
kenhyderal said...: Crystal raised one corner of the mattress to shield herself from knives being hurled at her. When she retreated the mattress fell back in place. Where the blood spatter was found in a clothed individual in a highly fluid confrontation does not equate to where the stabbing occurred. You watch too much CSI; June 9, 2015 at 2:58 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Thus speaks kenny, the incredibly stupid individual who fancies himself a medical expert"........ I have no medical expertise but I do have the wherewithal to read, analyze and do research as well as seek informed opinion from people like Dr. Harr. Plus I have enough street smarts to know when someone is trying to snow me.; June 9, 2015 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

You never answered the question why Cooper is responsible for the failure to attempt to identify the unmatched DNA, but Nifong is not responsible for the same failure.; June 9, 2015 at 3:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny 2:58:

You will have to do better than that if you want Crystal to be freed. That response is fine if you just want to argue.; June 9, 2015 at 3:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

"... as well as seek informed opinion from people like Dr. Harr."

You contradicted yourself.; June 9, 2015 at 3:13 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; June 9, 2015 at 3:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Why are you avoiding the question?; June 9, 2015 at 3:20 PM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said: "The Great Kilgo may or may not be an impostor"........... The Great Kilgo is not an imposter but the person trying to pass himself off on this blog as him is.; June 9, 2015 at 3:20 PM
kenhyderal said...: @ Anonymous 3: 20 De mortuis nil nisi bonum; June 9, 2015 at 3:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny 3:23:

I did not hear that Nifong died. When did that happen? What was the cause?; June 9, 2015 at 3:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

I just did some research. I believe you are in error when you make allusion to Nifong's death. There are no media reports of his death, and his Wikipedia has not been updated to reflect his death. Are you sure that you are not confusing Nifong with someone else?; June 9, 2015 at 4:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney,

Can you check I to this? Is Kenny correct when he allude to Nifong's death? Why did you not report that Nifong had died?; June 9, 2015 at 4:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 3:58, 4:04, 4:06,

I believe you are misunderstanding Kenny's discrete response. He is referring to Gottlieb's death. Nifong is still alive.

Kenny is indicating that Gottlieb was responsible for the failure to attempt to identify the unmatched DNA found in and on Crystal. Even though Nifong was involved in the investigation early on, having received his initial briefing only 13 days after Crystal made her allegation, Nifong bears on responsibility for the investigations many failures.

You may ask why Cooper was responsible for the success of the special prosecutors' investigation, but Nifong was not similarly responsible. Kenny's unspoken answer is clear: he believes that Nifong is one of the stupidest, laziest, most incompetent prosecutors in history and that it is unfair to blame him for his mental shortcomings.; June 9, 2015 at 4:16 PM
Anonymous said...: Nifong committed suicide.Don't rest in peace Mikey.; June 9, 2015 at 7:14 PM
Anonymous said...: "Blogger kenhyderal said...

Crystal raised one corner of the mattress to shield herself from knives being hurled at her."

At the trial it was established the mattress had no damage and there was no evidence it had been moved.; June 10, 2015 at 3:50 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

I have no medical expertise"

You got that right.

"but I do have the wherewithal to read, analyze and do research as well as seek informed opinion"

You got that wrong.

"from people like Dr. Harr."

sidney is incapable of rendering any informed opinion about anything. He is incapable of rendering any informed opinion about anything medical. Like you, he has NO medical expertise.

"Plus I have enough street smarts to know when someone is trying to snow me."

You got that wrong.

June 9, 2015 at 3:04 PM"; June 10, 2015 at 3:57 AM
Anonymous said...: From http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/03/20/darryl-howard-and-the-rampaging-prosecutor-durham-learns-little-from-duke-lacrosse-debacle/

"When Darryl Howard was convicted of murder in 1995, he cried out “I didn’t do it!” then sobbed in open court. He has maintained his innocence ever since."

"Discovery of the memo, which was known to police and should have been known to prosecutors, shows that the state failed to turn over relevant evidence pointing to Howard’s innocence. But the contents of the memo also suggest that Howard’s prosecutor not only put on perjurious testimony from a police investigator, he then used that evidence to give false statements in court himself."

"Perhaps most interesting of all is just who that prosecutor was: Michael Nifong, then an assistant district attorney for Durham County"

The same mike nifong whom sidney characterizes as a decent, honorable minister of justice.; June 10, 2015 at 4:05 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: The Great Kilgo is not an imposter but the person trying to pass himself off on this blog as him is.; June 10, 2015 at 4:55 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
No Sid, Crystal was convicted because she was and is guilty. She was betrayed by you and given very bad advice by Kenny. No one perjured themselves except Crystal. She was caught lying about too many things in her testimony. But, you keep on kidding yourself, if that makes you feel better. Won't change the fact that you betrayed her confidence though.

Walt-in-Durham

Walt, I'm going to get a Duke blue crying towel for you unless there is another color you would prefer. You'll probably want to place your order after you see my next sharlog... the mother of all smoking guns. The facts of this heretofore undisclosed and unknown slew of information will even penetrate your tightly closed eyelids and overwhelm you with enlightenment.

I have written and narrated the sharlog, which will be accompanied by a transcript. Currently I am laying down soundtrack and adding images. Still waiting for a bit more of audio. Should have it no later than tomorrow. Will try to have it posted by this weekend... hopefully, no later than Monday.

Ding-a-ling.; June 10, 2015 at 7:52 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
From http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/03/20/darryl-howard-and-the-rampaging-prosecutor-durham-learns-little-from-duke-lacrosse-debacle/

"When Darryl Howard was convicted of murder in 1995, he cried out “I didn’t do it!” then sobbed in open court. He has maintained his innocence ever since."

"Discovery of the memo, which was known to police and should have been known to prosecutors, shows that the state failed to turn over relevant evidence pointing to Howard’s innocence. But the contents of the memo also suggest that Howard’s prosecutor not only put on perjurious testimony from a police investigator, he then used that evidence to give false statements in court himself."

"Perhaps most interesting of all is just who that prosecutor was: Michael Nifong, then an assistant district attorney for Durham County"

The same mike nifong whom sidney characterizes as a decent, honorable minister of justice.

To give Mike Nifong grief over a memo that was in possession of the police and has questionable relevance, if any, to the murders for which Darryl Howard is convicted, is ridiculous. Howard, may be innocent... I don't know. I don't have the prosecution discovery as I do in Mangum's case, and therefore am unable to conduct my own investigation.

Nobody... not Mike Nifong, not Tracey Cline,... not even me, is perfect. Is it possible that Mr. Nifong may have convicted an innocent defendant during his thirty year career as a prosecutor... yes. But, you can bet that when prosecuting he did so as a minister of justice.; June 10, 2015 at 8:02 AM
Anonymous said...: " Nifong Supporter said...

"To give Mike Nifong grief over a memo that was in possession of the police and has questionable relevance, if any, to the murders for which Darryl Howard is convicted, is ridiculous. Howard, may be innocent... I don't know. I don't have the prosecution discovery as I do in Mangum's case, and therefore am unable to conduct my own investigation.

Nobody... not Mike Nifong, not Tracey Cline,... not even me, is perfect. Is it possible that Mr. Nifong may have convicted an innocent defendant during his thirty year career as a prosecutor... yes. But, you can bet that when prosecuting he did so as a minister of justice"

Go to the link. The evidence is that mikey deliberately convicted an innocent man, using the same unethical tricks he attempted to use on the innocent duke lacrosse defendants.

You hold up a corrupt DA as a distinguished honorable minister of justice. That is like Adolf Hitler holding up Roland Freisler as a distinguished minister of justice.

Your post is just a lengthy attempt on your part to duck the truth.; June 10, 2015 at 9:04 AM
Lance the Intern said...: Kenny,

You never answered the question why Cooper is responsible for the failure to attempt to identify the unmatched DNA, but Nifong is not responsible for the same failure.

Are you now saying that the failure was Gottlieb's?; June 10, 2015 at 1:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Come one guys, even I know Nifong is corrupt.

The Great Kilgo; June 10, 2015 at 2:17 PM
kenhyderal said...: Lance said: "You never answered the question why Cooper is responsible for the failure to attempt to identify the unmatched DNA, but Nifong is not responsible for the same failure"........ The buck stops with AG Cooper. DA Nifong was initially let down by the Durham Police. When he took over he believed he could proceed without DNA by going for sexual assault instead of rape and counting on witnesses to the crime to come forward and testify which was a miscalculation on his part, considering the moral turpitude of the Players not involved. In attacking DA Nifong I take my lead from Crystal who feels she has a distinct ally in him; June 10, 2015 at 2:32 PM
Anonymous said...: How could any witnesses come forward when the gang rape only happened in Crystal's imagination?; June 10, 2015 at 2:42 PM
guiowen said...: This is Crystal's great ally? Someone who never even bothered to interview her?; June 10, 2015 at 3:30 PM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

"DA Nifong was initially let down by the Durham Police."

mikey knew about the DNA evidence. He concealed the evidence because that DNA did not match the DNA of the men he had named as suspects

"When he took over he believed he could proceed without DNA by going for sexual assault instead of rape"

Months after taking over, mikey finally had someone in his office interview crystal-for a period of 6 months after the alleged crime, mikey had not yet interviewed crystal. At the time of that interview, crystal said she could not recall being penetrated, meaning an essential element of thecrimeof rape could not be proven. That was why miked dismissed the rape charge. However, the sexual asaault described by crystal at the outset of her lies was a rape in which multiple perpetrators left behind evidence. The dna evidence would not have been excluded. This was an attempt by mikey to get a conviction although he had evidence no crime had happened.

"and counting on witnesses to the crime to come forward and testify which was a miscalculation on his part, considering the moral turpitude of the Players not involved."

As anonymous@June 10, 2015 noted, there was no evidence any crime had happened. Ergo there were no witnesses. What mikey tried to do actually was suborn perjury-he threatebned to file charges of aiding and abetting against members of the Lacrosse team who did not provide incriminating evidence against other members of the Lacrosse team

"In attacking DA Nifong"

Huh? Are you attacking mikey

"I take my lead from Crystal who feels she has a distinct ally in him"

So why did she not ask mikey why he never had her interviewed until 6 months after the case.

kenny again shows he is incredibly stupid; June 10, 2015 at 3:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Basically, you are saying that Cooper is responsible because you want him to be, and Nifong is not responsible because you don't want him to be. Is that essentially the difference?

Cooper is responsible for his investigators, but Nifong was "let down" by his.

Remember that neither Nifong nor Crystal believes your ridiculous mystery rapist theory. Nifong didn't pursue the unmatched DNA because he didn't think it was relevant. Crystal continues to allege the defendants assaulted her, preferring to drop her initial allegation of a semen depositing rape to adapt to the lack of DNA. She never did explain the unmatched DNA. I guess she doesn't care if people believe the 3 to 8 unexplained DNA samples are from consensual sex she "forgot" about.

I find it interesting that Crystal believes Nifong is a "distinct ally." What did she feel about Nifong's attempt to explain the unmatched DNA he attempted at his bar hearing. Some observers thought he was throwing Crystal under the bus. Shall we discuss that attempted explanation?; June 10, 2015 at 5:34 PM
kenhyderal supporter said...: The buck stops with AG Cooper. DA Nifong was initially let down by the Durham Police. When he took over he believed he could proceed without DNA by going for sexual assault instead of rape and counting on witnesses to the crime to come forward and testify which was a miscalculation on his part, considering the moral turpitude of the Players not involved. In attacking DA Nifong I take my lead from Crystal who feels she has a distinct ally in him; June 10, 2015 at 7:32 PM
cyberbully evil duke troll said...: Who's your daddy?; June 10, 2015 at 7:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Remember - while Kenny claims to fully support and endorse Sid Harr and his "analysis" (despite the fact that Sid has been demonstrably wrong many times on this blog, and admits he makes assumptions that are often false) - both Kenny and Sid claim that the autopsy was never looked into and investigated - based on their theory that Dr. Roberts is a liar and part of the conspiracy (except where she says what they agree with).

As noted - Dr. Roberts addresses the esophageal intubation, the DTs, and the rest of the "issues" raised by Sid and Kenny - but she still maintains the stab wound was a proximate cause of the death. They disagree and say she is lying, but offer no proof - nor have either of them ever spoken with her to see how she gets from A to B.

They claim the attorneys never did either, and so she should have been put on the stand and asked - and if she could go from A to B, Crystal gets 1st Degree.

Since every attorney (and Dr. Roberts herself) spoke with Crystal about this - and said Sid and Kenny were wrong, and Dr. Roberts' testimony would be very harmful to Crystal - rather than acknowledge they may be wrong, Sid and Kenny simply convinced themselves and Crystal that there is some vast conspiracy against her - and Dr. Roberts and the attorneys are simply lying.

So, you can either believe Kenny and Sid - despite all the times they made spurious allegations and accusations and been proven to be wrong - and some vast conspiracy of all these people willing to risk their lives and careers just to do the bidding of a University that is frequently sued (so isn't as all powerful as they and tinfoil claim) - or you can think that perhaps everyone else knew what they were doing.

I don't trust Sid and Kenny that much. They have not shown why any of the attorneys and Dr. Roberts would lie, other than some fantasy about not wanting to challenge Duke (even though they ignore that attorneys sue and challenge Duke all the time.; June 11, 2015 at 7:01 AM
Anonymous said...: duke sucks and always will
there is no excuse for them

they are evil and they want you to know it
but they don't want everyone else to understand it
until they too become their unsuspecting victims
caught in their web of deceit and lies
designed to lure the blind and blinded by their evil glare
into their trap of servitude to their reckless yet funded agendas

be it your blood, your heart, or your donation
... money, kidney, brain, or corrupted enslavement
it matters little in their game of evil lies
and deceitful promises of being the best that money
... and / or your life ... can offer

even if their best is the worst that evil has to offer
all the better is their best if it rewards them
with evil spoils and ill begotten gains
when the price for their best is the very lives of those whom they plunder
because duke sucks ... and they want You to really know it

- in respectful memory of those who died in the Duke Cancer 'Worst' Research scheme, June 2015; June 11, 2015 at 8:20 AM
Lance the Intern said...: Anonymous @ 8:20 -- I can't find reference to a "Duke Cancer research scheme". Are you referring to the research trials based on the work of Anil Potti that were closed in July 2010?; June 11, 2015 at 8:42 AM
Anonymous said...: yes, there was an article from a disgruntled former employee of duke who was lucky enough to survive to tell of her feelings of betrayal and the awful realization that she was just a lab 'rat' and nothing more to duke in the current local news ... an od' to those who survived ... and those who didn't ... it is being labeled the worst research scheme in the article ... but knowing duke they are just proud it is the best of the worst ... yeah duke ... go evil ... and all that (sic); June 11, 2015 at 9:19 AM
Lance the Intern said...: Thanks for the clarification.

Just an FYI -- "sic" (usually in brackets, not parentheses) mean that the quote prior was transcribed as it was found in the original source, complete with errors.

Can you provide a link to the article, or at least the name of the paper it was in?

Thanks.; June 11, 2015 at 9:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Local News WRAL
Cancer survivor on bogus Duke study: 'I was nothing but a laboratory rat'

(sic) in parentheses means (sick in the worst of ways) ... fwiw; June 11, 2015 at 9:34 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "They claim the attorneys never did either, and so she should have been put on the stand and asked - and if she could go from A to B, Crystal gets 1st Degree"......................And if she couldn't, Crystal would have been exonerated. Even a lay person could convince a jury that Daye's alcoholism, his life threatening alcohol withdrawal and his impending delirium tremens were not related to the repaired stab wound but instead to his many years of heavy drinking. Malpractice in treating this was the sole and only cause of his death. And no, there is no reasonable nexus in being denied alcohol because a wound sent you to hospital. Welch cant be stretched that far.; June 11, 2015 at 9:38 AM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: "(sic) in parentheses means (sick in the worst of ways) ... fwiw"

No, it doesn't.; June 11, 2015 at 10:19 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "Even a lay person could convince a jury that Daye's alcoholism, his life threatening alcohol withdrawal and his impending delirium tremens were not related to the repaired stab wound but instead to his many years of heavy drinking. Malpractice in treating this was the sole and only cause of his death."(sic)

It was previously discussed that the case law does not support that theory. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it - George Santayana.

Walt-in-Durham; June 11, 2015 at 10:34 AM
kenhyderal said...: Judge Ridgeway's interpretation of case law says it does. It was the Jury that got it wrong and that was due to not them being provided with the relevant information, they needed to make the correct decision.; June 11, 2015 at 12:40 PM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "They claim the attorneys never did either, and so she should have been put on the stand and asked - and if she could go from A to B, Crystal gets 1st Degree"......................And if she couldn't, Crystal would have been exonerated. Even a lay person could convince a jury that Daye's alcoholism, his life threatening alcohol withdrawal and his impending delirium tremens were not related to the repaired stab wound but instead to his many years of heavy drinking. Malpractice in treating this was the sole and only cause of his death. And no, there is no reasonable nexus in being denied alcohol because a wound sent you to hospital. Welch cant be stretched that far.

June 11, 2015 at 9:38 AM"

Thus speaks kenny, the incredibly stupid legal and medical non exert.; June 11, 2015 at 12:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny 12:40:

Your interpretation of the instructions is not correct. The instructions were the form instructions based on Welch. The interpretation of Welch provided by Walt, A Lawyer, Lance and others and apparently accepted by Shella, Vann, Holmes, Meier and Petersen is consistent with the instructions.

Please correct your error or at least make it clear that this is your personal opinion and not fact. Thank you.; June 11, 2015 at 12:45 PM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Judge Ridgeway's interpretation of case law says it does. It was the Jury that got it wrong and that was due to not them being provided with the relevant information, they needed to make the correct decision.

June 11, 2015 at 12:40 PM"

Thus again speaks kenny, the incredibly stupid legal non expet, the medical non expert; June 11, 2015 at 12:45 PM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: According to Kenhyderal, the players NOT INVOLVED displayed moral turpitude, but the woman with unidentified DNA from at least 8 or 9 males did not.

Interesting world you live in Kenny. Perhaps someday you'll join the rest of us in the real one.; June 11, 2015 at 1:17 PM
Lance the Intern said...: Kenyderal said " DA Nifong was initially let down by the Durham Police. When he took over he believed he could proceed without DNA...."

So, you're giving Nifong a pass for not finding a source for the unidentified DNA, but because AG Cooper didn't find a source for the DNA, he "didn't want to get at the truth".; June 11, 2015 at 1:29 PM
kenhyderal said...: The key word is sole. It's a concept that if all the facts were presented to the Jury, regarding Daye and his demise due to medical malpractice, common sense would inform them that the wound she administered in self-defence was totally unrelated to the cause of his death and that there was no nexus other then he was an in-patient suffering alcohol withdrawal; June 11, 2015 at 1:33 PM
kenhyderal said...: @ Lance 1:29 DA Nifong, expecting to have witnesses come forth, neglected to follow up on that but by the time AG Cooper took over that was where the investigation needed to go. Cooper obviously badly wanted this case to go away. Powerful interests dictated that.; June 11, 2015 at 1:40 PM
Lance the Intern said...: Kenny - You stated earlier:
"....This [Crystal Mangum's] sexual history was easily verifiable. Her movements for hours and days prior to her alleged sexual assault have been documented. Failure to identify the source of this DNA suggests to me that AG Cooper didn't want to get at the truth."

So -- Mangum had easily verifiable sexual history, with her movements prior to the alleged assault documented.

But because, in the 9 months that Nifong worked on this case he was waiting for "witnesses to come forth", it's AG Cooper's failure to find the unidentified sources of the DNA.

At least you're admitting that Nifong neglected to do something -- That's a start.; June 11, 2015 at 2:01 PM
Anonymous said...: kenny:

Plenty of witnesses come forth. They all said the same thing: Mangum wasn'traped or the victim of any kind of crime at the lacrosse party. (One player even produced video evidence that he was somewhere else when Mangum claimed she was being raped by him.) The DNA tests confirmed their statements. Nifong proceeded anyways.

The "powerful interests" (Duke, the media, the Durham PD and the DA, to name a few) wanted the case go forward, and were hoping for convictions. It took lawyers willing to take on the powerful interests and an Attorney General committed to the truth to put an end to it.

No sausage for you.

Abe Froman
Chicago, IL; June 11, 2015 at 2:13 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny 1:40:

Now you are being intellectually dishonest. By the time the unmatched DNA was discovered in the middle of April, even if you make the assumption that someone committed a sexual assault, it was clear that no one was going to turn state's evidence.

If Nifong did not try to identify the DNA when it was discovered because he expected witnesses to come forth, he is an incompetent buffoon.

His failure to attempt to identify the DNA in May, in June, in July, in August, in September, in October, in November, in December and in January cannot rely on the expectation that witnesses would come forward. You must really believe that Nifong is the stupidest, laziest, most incompetent prosecutor in history.

Or you are one of the most dishonest commenters ever.; June 11, 2015 at 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...: The DNA might have provided evidence on who, if anyone, had assaulted Mangum. Nifong and Brian Meehan however, agreed that DNA Security Inc. wouldn't report that the rape kit had found DNA from those men.

Nifong showed no interest in finding out whether anyone who wasn't a Duke lacrosse player had assaulted Mangum.; June 11, 2015 at 2:22 PM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "Judge Ridgeway's interpretation of case law says it does. It was the Jury that got it wrong and that was due to not them being provided with the relevant information, they needed to make the correct decision."

No, Judge Ridgeway did not interpret the law at all. He gave the pattern jury instruction based on Welch and Holsclaw. Further, the intoxication defense has been rejected as an intervening cause. That too has been discussed here previously. It is your refusal to learn that is the problem. That greatly diminishes your argument.

It is little wonder that Crystal has made such terrible decisions. With friends like Kenny and Sid she really doesn't need any enemies.

Walt-in-Durham; June 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote:"@ Lance 1:29 DA Nifong, expecting to have witnesses come forth, neglected to follow up on that but by the time AG Cooper took over that was where the investigation needed to go. Cooper obviously badly wanted this case to go away. Powerful interests dictated that."

Witnesses did come forward. The problem for Crystal was, they told the truth and exposed her fabrication. Cooper wanted no part of Nifong's prosecutorial misconduct.

Walt-in-Durham; June 11, 2015 at 2:29 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; June 11, 2015 at 3:07 PM
kenhyderal said...: At Walt and Abe: No witnesses came forward. @ Walt Huh? There was no intoxication defense. Crystal was not intoxicated. Daye was never charged with a crime, although he could have been. The sole cause of death, without any nexus to the stabbing was the esophageal intubation, a grave medical error. The jury was never told that there was a grave medical error that rose to the level of medical malpractice. Nicholls was unable to say what the complication to the stab wound, he cited, that took Daye into the ICU. He was never asked if it could have been from delirium tremens instead of a speculated infectious process for which no evidence exists.; June 11, 2015 at 3:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny 3:10:

Don't be so disingenuous. Walt's reference to an "intoxication defense" was that Daye's intoxication did not relieve Crystal of responsibility. But you knew that.

You state opinions as facts. Show me evidence. Provide an expert to support your opinion. Two expects concluded the Daye died as a result of complications from the stab wound. I don't care if you you have a different opinion. You are a self professed close personal friend of Crystal's and are biased. You have no medical training, so your medical opinion is not reliable. You have no legal training, so your legal opinion is not reliable. I don't care how skilled you are at Google. More importantly, you have shown repeatedly that you will anything that you think will support your desired outcome and repeatedly refuse to discuss your opinions honestly.

In sum, you have zero credibility. Why should anyone believe anything you have to say?; June 11, 2015 at 3:30 PM
Anonymous said...: duke sucks and always will
there is no excuse for them

they are evil and they want you to know it
but they don't want everyone else to understand it
until they too become their unsuspecting victims
caught in their web of deceit and lies
designed to lure the blind and blinded by their evil glare
into their trap of servitude to their reckless yet funded agendas

be it your blood, your heart, or your donation
... money, kidney, brain, or corrupted enslavement
it matters little in their game of evil lies
and deceitful promises of being the best that money
... and / or your life ... can offer

even if their best is the worst that evil has to offer
all the better is their best if it rewards them
with evil spoils and ill begotten gains
when the price for their best is the very lives of those whom they plunder
because duke sucks ... and they want You to really know it

- in respectful memory of those who died in the Duke Cancer 'Worst' Research scheme, June 2015; June 11, 2015 at 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...: Other than fear of losing custody, why is Crystal so afraid of admitting she does get intoxicated? Every witness claims she does - she says she doesn't .Kenny says everyone but Crystal lies.

Kenny, you are an idiot.; June 11, 2015 at 3:50 PM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: Kenny- I can think of at least two witnesses (if you discount the accounts of the players at the party, which I'm sure you do). Kim Roberts and Moezeldin Elmostafa.; June 11, 2015 at 4:35 PM
Anonymous said...: Fake Kenny,

Don't forget Jason Bissey, the captains' next door neighbor. He called police after the story broke. They told him to write out a statement, which he did. Himan picked up the statement, but asked him no further questions. I wonder why not?

Interestingly, even after Crystal had failed to identify her alleged attackers, when Kim was interviewed several days after Gottlieb took over the case, they did not ask her to make identifications. Crystal described in her April 6 written statement a wild scene in which she and Kim were holding on to each other and three players grabbed Crystal and three grabbed Kim to separate them. The three players who grabbed Crystal then raped her. Interestingly, the DPD did not reinterview Kim to confirm the scene and to identify the culprits. I wonder why not?

Certainly Nifong knew about these witnesses after he read the file (he even cut a parole deal for Kim and had Elmostafa arrested), but he showed no interest other than that. I wonder why not?; June 11, 2015 at 5:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

You didn't answer the question. You have zero credibility. Why should anyone believe anything you have to say?; June 11, 2015 at 5:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Did you tell Crystal that Nifong made the decision to let the mystery rapists go free? If she knew that, would she still regard Nifonf as her ally?; June 11, 2015 at 5:06 PM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: Nifong used the case to get elected. Once elected, he never bothered to investigate further.
f you were the victim, Kenny, would you consider the person who did that to you an ally?; June 11, 2015 at 5:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Fake Kenny,

There was no investigation prior to the primary election in May. Once Crystal selected defendants, they seemed to go out of their way not to investigate lest they find some evidence that would preclude continuing with a prosecution.; June 11, 2015 at 6:13 PM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: There was the initial attempt to gather DNA and the subsequent testing, gathering the hospital reports and so on. I would consider that part of the investigation.; June 11, 2015 at 6:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Not really. I think the DPD heard the allegation, did a little investigating, such as the interviews with Crystal, Kim, Levicy and the captains, and concluded the rape allegation was a hoax. They probably thought that someone paid for sex and wanted to use DNA to force a plea, but the SBI tests were negative. When the N&O interview with Crystal made the case racial, they couldn't drop it, but they had nothing to go on. Once Crystal selected defendants on April 4, they only went through the motions. The one exception is the decision to do more sensitive DNA tests with DNASI. At that point, they were disparate and thought the highly sensitive test would find incidental DNA (shaking hands and rolling on the rug could have left DNA). I am surprised there wasn't any.; June 11, 2015 at 6:42 PM
kenhyderal supporter said...: The key word is sole. It's a concept that if all the facts were presented to the Jury, regarding Daye and his demise due to medical malpractice, common sense would inform them that the wound she administered in self-defence was totally unrelated to the cause of his death and that there was no nexus other then he was an in-patient suffering alcohol withdrawal; June 11, 2015 at 7:29 PM
guiowen said...: Oh, let Kenny fantasize!; June 11, 2015 at 8:54 PM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: "At that point, they were disparate and thought the highly sensitive test would find incidental DNA (shaking hands and rolling on the rug could have left DNA). I am surprised there wasn't any."

I believe the DNA testing was only on samples from the rape kit.; June 12, 2015 at 6:08 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

The key word is sole. It's a concept that if all the facts were presented to the Jury, regarding Daye and his demise due to medical malpractice, common sense would inform them that the wound she administered in self-defence was totally unrelated to the cause of his death and that there was no nexus other then he was an in-patient suffering alcohol withdrawal

June 11, 2015 at 1:33 PM"

Again speaks kenny, the incredibly stupid legal expert NOT and medical expert NOt; June 12, 2015 at 6:35 AM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

At Walt and Abe: No witnesses came forward. @ Walt Huh? There was no intoxication defense. Crystal was not intoxicated. Daye was never charged with a crime, although he could have been. The sole cause of death, without any nexus to the stabbing was the esophageal intubation, a grave medical error. The jury was never told that there was a grave medical error that rose to the level of medical malpractice. Nicholls was unable to say what the complication to the stab wound, he cited, that took Daye into the ICU. He was never asked if it could have been from delirium tremens instead of a speculated infectious process for which no evidence exists.

June 11, 2015 at 3:10 PM"

Again speaks kenny, the incredibly stupid legal expert NOT and incredibly stupid medical expert NOT; June 12, 2015 at 6:38 AM
cristina said...: It's clear Kenny is fantasizing about the sterling defense he could have brought about, and about the wonderful help he could have given Mike Nifong if only we had let him. Great!; June 12, 2015 at 8:04 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Like Sid you refuse to learn - the jury rejected self-defense, yet you still keep claiming it was. Remember, with self-defense, nothing at the hospital was relevant. And, again, you've never talked to Dr. Roberts to see how she got from A to B - the attorneys did, and she told Crystal - which is why they all said she'd be horrible for Crystal - since you and Sid weren't told, you kept telling Crystal everyone else was lying.

Walt is right - you and Sid are Crystal's worst enemies.; June 12, 2015 at 8:06 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: " Two expects concluded the Daye died as a result of complications from the stab wound"...........Complications, unspecified and apparently unknown to them. Speculated to be what? They did of course know, what the Jury did not, that Daye was killed by medical malpractice. The question then becomes was there a complication he was being treated for and if so what was it. This had to be adjudicated?; June 12, 2015 at 9:18 AM
kenhyderal said...: Cristina said: "It's clear Kenny is fantasizing about the sterling defense he could have brought about, and about the wonderful help he could have given Mike Nifong if only we had let him. Great!:....... No Cristina I'm not a lawyer nor do I have any legal expertise. But as an outside observer, I can critique the obvious pathetically weak defence Crystal was provided. Her Jury never heard what they needed to on the issue of was there actually a homicide by Crystal and they needed to hear a rebuttal by the defence of the state's skewed interpretation of the crime scene forensics; June 12, 2015 at 9:28 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 5:03 said: "You didn't answer the question. You have zero credibility. Why should anyone believe anything you have to say?"..... Which question are you referring to?; June 12, 2015 at 9:30 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: " Two expects concluded the Daye died as a result of complications from the stab wound"...........Complications, unspecified and apparently unknown to them. Speculated to be what? They did of course know, what the Jury did not, that Daye was killed by medical malpractice. The question then becomes was there a complication he was being treated for and if so what was it. This had to be adjudicated?

June 12, 2015 at 9:18 AM"

Once againtoday speaks kenny, the incredibly stupid medical expert/legal expert NOY!!!; June 12, 2015 at 10:57 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Cristina said: "It's clear Kenny is fantasizing about the sterling defense he could have brought about, and about the wonderful help he could have given Mike Nifong if only we had let him. Great!:....... No Cristina I'm not a lawyer nor do I have any legal expertise. But as an outside observer, I can critique the obvious pathetically weak defence Crystal was provided. Her Jury never heard what they needed to on the issue of was there actually a homicide by Crystal and they needed to hear a rebuttal by the defence of the state's skewed interpretation of the crime scene forensics "

Here incredibly stupid kenny manifests himself. He says he s no lawyer. Thenhe proceeds to render legal opinions. He is clearly out of touch with reality.; June 12, 2015 at 11:01 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: " They did of course know, what the Jury did not, that Daye was killed by medical malpractice. The question then becomes was there a complication he was being treated for and if so what was it. This had to be adjudicated?"

Talk about speculation. Arguing facts not in evidence. Indeed the evidence was as Christina presented it. The defense expert and the medical examiner agreed. Thus, there was nothing to adjudicate. Juries are finders of fact, not speculators.

Walt-in-Durham; June 12, 2015 at 1:28 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; June 12, 2015 at 2:53 PM
kenhyderal said...: Where is the speculation? That Daye died as a result of complications of a stab wound is a question of fact. Neither Nicholls or Roberts ever treated Daye. Facts about Daye's demise due to medical malpractice needed to be presented to the Jury. Is it a fact that Daye was being treated for a complication of his wound and did Nicholls know that. Or did he just speculate that there probably was a complication; one he was never informed about. Or is it a fact he was being treated for a unrelated medical condition ie. acute delirium tremens.; June 12, 2015 at 2:55 PM
cristina said...: OK Kenhyderal, you're not kidding anyone here. Are you kidding yourself? "Here's what they should have done" = "Here's what I would have done except the PTBs wouldn't let me".; June 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said: "Arguing facts not in evidence"...... Certain facts, not presented as evidence, needed to be presented for the jury to reach a just verdict. The chief among them being that Daye died of medical malpractice and that was not in treatment for an "unspecified" complications to his wound; June 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM
kenhyderal said...: Cristina said: "Here's what I would have done except the PTBs wouldn't let me" No, Christina once again I am not a Lawyer but yes I do have an opinions on the poor quality of the defence given my friend; June 12, 2015 at 3:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny asks Which question are you referring to?

The one quoted. You can find context at 3:30.; June 12, 2015 at 3:45 PM
Anonymous said...: You da man, Kenny, you da man.; June 12, 2015 at 7:37 PM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "Certain facts, not presented as evidence, needed to be presented for the jury to reach a just verdict. The chief among them being that Daye died of medical malpractice and that was not in treatment for an "unspecified" complications to his wound"

There you go again, wishing things that aren't. First, the expert opinions were the cause of death was complications from a stab wound. Without an expert to say otherwise, those are the facts. You cannot argue facts not in evidence. That would be an injustice.

Second, you are attempting to draw an inference that simply is not in either of the two expert opinions. Jurors don't get to draw that inference. Worse, you are attempting to draw that inference based on the very inexpert work of Sid.

Third even if you could get what you believe, with any rational basis, into evidence, complications related to alcoholism are not intervening causes.

I don't ow why you persist in pursuing these obviously fruitless theories. But, they do Crystal more harm than good. With friends like Sid and Kenny, Crystal does not need any enemies.

Walt-in-Durham; June 13, 2015 at 3:38 AM
Anonymous said...: You da man, Kenny, you da man.; June 13, 2015 at 4:32 AM
Anonymous said...: You've never asked Dr. Roberts how she came to that conclusion - you just keep speculating - how do you know she couldn't do it? She told the lawyers and Crystal she could make the connection, they actually talked to her - you keep spouting opinions as facts, and continuing to refuse to actually try and find answers to your questions.; June 13, 2015 at 5:57 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: Stop trolling kenhyderal.; June 13, 2015 at 7:40 AM
guiowen said...: Please stop trolling Kenhyderal. He has a perfect right to fantasize about himself as SuperAttorney!; June 13, 2015 at 8:09 AM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said: "Third even if you could get what you believe, with any rational basis, into evidence, complications related to alcoholism are not intervening causes"....... Delirium Tremens requiring treatment in an ICU was a complication solely related to Daye's alcoholism and without any nexus to the surgical repair of his wound. You are clinging to the untenable position that Crystal, by sending Daye to hospital, only to be killed by Duke, was responsible for murdering him. Do you really think the Welch and Holsclaw say say that?; June 13, 2015 at 9:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Except, Dr. Roberts notes the DTs, so she didn't miss it, and obviously accounted for it in her conclusion. But, again, you will never actually ask questions, just keep making wild assumptions and accusations, and deluding Crystal into ignoring the people actually trying to help her and instead put her faith in the whiner, liar, idiot Kenny and delusional Harr.; June 13, 2015 at 9:36 AM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Walt said: "Third even if you could get what you believe, with any rational basis, into evidence, complications related to alcoholism are not intervening causes"....... Delirium Tremens requiring treatment in an ICU was a complication solely related to Daye's alcoholism and without any nexus to the surgical repair of his wound. You are clinging to the untenable position that Crystal, by sending Daye to hospital, only to be killed by Duke, was responsible for murdering him. Do you really think the Welch and Holsclaw say say that?

June 13, 2015 at 9:24 AM"

Again spoutsoff kenny the incredibly stupid non-medical expert.; June 13, 2015 at 10:01 AM
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kenhyderal supporter said...: A sarcastic man is a wounded man.; June 13, 2015 at 10:58 AM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal supporter:

I think you're right. But the one doing the wounding is Kenny, with his refusal or inability to engage in an honest discussion.; June 13, 2015 at 11:27 AM
kenhyderal supporter said...: If one has sufficient wealth or notoriety, to retain a high powered attorney, guilty or innocent, one can easily raise sufficient "reasonable" doubt to "walk. This escape hatch for criminal behaviour is not often afforded to the ordinary defendant. Like former DA Nifong, I believe a crime happened because of what the alleged victim has told me. This account is corroberated by what was related to me by the person Kilgo who claimed to have received his information from an alleged eye-witness. I also take into account the observations of Nurse Levicy and Dr.Manley and the statement of driver Brian Taylor. Lastly I rely on common sense and because of my own experience as a University "jock". At many "Spring-Break" team parties "gang-rape" mentality, racism and misogyny are often rampant, especially by the sons of privilege.; June 13, 2015 at 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal supporter,

I thank you for re-posting an "oldie but goodie" from "kenhyderal." That post wounded me the first time and it wounded me again. That you for the reminder of the lack of honesty that characterizes "kenhyderal's" posts.; June 13, 2015 at 3:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny asks: Do you really think the Wech and Holsclaw say that?

Yes, I do.

Walt has analyzed the Welch and Holsclaw cases. You have not.

You have shown yourself to be an unreliable commenter, willing to say anything that you think will help you. You refuse or are incapable to engage in honest discussion.

I ask you a third time: why should anyone believe anything you have to say?; June 13, 2015 at 5:33 PM
Fake Kenhyderal said...: "No, Christina once again I am not a Lawyer"

Trust me when I say, Kenny, you don't need to tell us. We've were able to infer this quite some time ago.; June 13, 2015 at 7:57 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "I ask you a third time: why should anyone believe anything you have to say?"......................... Because like Dr. Harr "I speak truth to power"; June 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM
Anonymous said...: No, Kenny, you speak delusions and lies to a woman seeking a friend, and convince her you are that friend and the rest of the world is against her. It's kinda sad, and basically exactly how predators and cults work. Facts don't deter you, and you do all you can to isolate your target from those who actually want to help.

You are a sad, pathetic disgrace, and I'm sure you get some sort of sick pleasure out of hurting Crystal. At least Dr. Harr tries to do stuff (even if it doesn't help) - you just try to keep Crystal isolated and get her to turn on anyone who may actually try to help her.; June 14, 2015 at 4:13 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Why does "speak[ing] truth to power" preclude engaging in honest discussion?; June 14, 2015 at 5:24 AM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; June 14, 2015 at 8:15 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "you do all you can to isolate your target from those who actually want to help'....... Wrong; I introduced Crystal to Dr. Harr! Anonymous also said: "No, Kenny, you speak delusions and lies to a woman seeking a friend, and convince her you are that friend and the rest of the world is against her"...................... Wrong; I am a long time friend of Crystal. Crystal has a lot more friends then you think, no thanks to those who have systematically tried to demonize her. The Court appointed Attorneys had had no inclination to help Crystal. To them she was simply an unwanted obligation to be discharged with as little effort and involvement as possible; just one more blot on an already misprized profession. And certainly those Crystal detractors here who, like you, pretend they want to help her are less then sincere. Crystal knows who her friends are and who it is that wishes the best for her.; June 14, 2015 at 8:17 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny, Walt is right - with friends like you, Crystal doesn't need enemies. She has a lot of friends - you aren't one. You are a cultish leader taking advantage of her for your own ends.

You are a disgrace, and have zero respect on this board - sadly, like a lot of predators, you have Crystal convinced. The rest of us know who/what you are - and yes, deny it all you want (no predator admits they are a predator), but your actions are clear.

You are a disgrace, and it's sad that you got your hooks into Crystal. Her lawyers wanted what was best for her - but they couldn't overcome your influence.; June 14, 2015 at 8:28 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
"Speak truth to power"? Do you even know what that means? Or are you just acting like Humpty Dumpty again?; June 14, 2015 at 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...: For all you malign them - Court Appointed Attorneys take on the work because they want to, not because they have to ... your stereotype that they don't care about their clients is slander and defamation, and just shows you are an idiot.

Seriously, other than Sid and TinFoil you do realize no one takes you remotely seriously on this blog, and we were all happy when you ran away in a snit a while ago. Go away again, you won't be missed. You are a pathetic lying whiner who has nothing positive to add to anything.; June 14, 2015 at 8:33 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal said,
"I am a long time friend of Crystal."

Let's see this. Kenny met her while she was in the Navy, so long ago. Apparently, she preferred a U.S. sailor, Richard Ramseier, who fathered her two older children and got her drummed out of the Navy. They broke up shortly afterward, as he stayed in the Navy while she went back to NC. Kenny, meanwhile, realizing he had no hope with Crystal, went off to Arabia.
Comes 2010: Kenny hears that CGM got herself in hot water. He comes back and decides to run her life for her. He gives her poor advice, and manages to get her to blame everyone else for her mistakes and their consequences. This just gives him a greater grip on her. He is now able to tell himself and her that he alone (with some help from Sidney Harr) represents any hope for her.

Goo going, Kenny!; June 14, 2015 at 9:49 AM
kenhyderal said...: A cult leader, moi? How large is this cult? There is a lot more evidence for Dr. Harr's Carpet-Bagger Jihad then there is for a Ken Edwards Cult. The real predators in this saga are some members of the 2006 Duke Lacrosse Team who took advantage and exploited two vulnerable women including drugging and robbing one of them. These are the guys you so passionately defend. @ Guiowen Crystal is a friend. I am married with children. You are a crude, mean and sarcastic person.; June 14, 2015 at 10:19 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "I ask you a third time: why should anyone believe anything you have to say?"......................... Because like Dr. Harr "I speak truth to power"

June 13, 2015 at 9:52 PM"

You speak with the powerful stench of a rotting piece of meat.; June 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
You are really something!; June 14, 2015 at 2:02 PM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

A cult leader, moi? How large is this cult? There is a lot more evidence for Dr. Harr's Carpet-Bagger Jihad then there is for a Ken Edwards Cult. The real predators in this saga are some members of the 2006 Duke Lacrosse Team who took advantage and exploited two vulnerable women including drugging and robbing one of them. These are the guys you so passionately defend. @ Guiowen Crystal is a friend. I am married with children. You are a crude, mean and sarcastic person.

June 14, 2015 at 10:19 AM"

Yet again kenny manifests his incredible stupidity; June 14, 2015 at 2:14 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal said...

"Crystal knows who her friends are and who it is that wishes the best for her."

Past friends of crystal include Milton Walker and Reginald Daye. crystal's current friends should exercise a measure of caution.; June 14, 2015 at 2:16 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "You speak with the powerful stench of a rotting piece of meat'.............You're kind of mixing up your metaphors here, are you not?; June 14, 2015 at 3:35 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Past friends of crystal include Milton Walker and Reginald Daye". Milton Walker is still a friend of Crystal and he maintains he bears equal responsibility for their altercation. No doubt Reginald Day could have remained a friend of Crystal if he had not, in a drunken, alcoholic rage, gone berserk and tried to kill her; June 14, 2015 at 3:42 PM
guiowen said...: "Milton Walker is still a friend of Crystal and he maintains he bears equal responsibility for their altercation."

And yet, when it came time to testify in 2013, Milton turned her in. What a friend!; June 14, 2015 at 4:55 PM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "You speak with the powerful stench of a rotting piece of meat'.............You're kind of mixing up your metaphors here, are you not?

June 14, 2015 at 3:35 PM"

No, it means that when you speak, ehat garbage you spew forth smells like rotten meat. I presumed that you would not be so incredibly stupid you couldn't get it. Now why would I assume that?; June 14, 2015 at 7:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Blogger kenhyderal said...
"No doubt Reginald Day could have remained a friend of Crystal if he had not, in a drunken, alcoholic rage, gone berserk and tried to kill her"

Irrelevant statement in view of the fact that it was Crystal who went into a rage and killed him. That was proven beyond any and all reasonable doubt.

But how could we expect incredibly stupid kenny to realize it. He still maintains that crystal was raped even though it has been proven beyond any and all reasonable doubt that she was't.; June 14, 2015 at 7:36 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal said...

" I am married with children.'

Too bad for your wife abnd kids, that you are such an example of stupidity and injustice.; June 14, 2015 at 7:38 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: " I presumed that you would not be so incredibly stupid you couldn't get it ".......... I presumed you would understand what a mixed metaphor was.; June 14, 2015 at 9:01 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "when it came time to testify in 2013, Milton turned her in. What a friend!"................, Milton was compelled to testify against his will but like his friend Crystal he took the oath, he swore to, seriously and testified truthfully.; June 14, 2015 at 9:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Yes - Milton testified that when Crystal had a chance to flee a fight - she instead ran to the kitchen to get a knife. His testimony wasn't helpful.; June 15, 2015 at 2:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Maybe she feels she has a right to defend herself in her own home. It is a law that all are empowered with that right in their own domain now. She was just doing as the law dictates is her right.

With the abuse she suffered through the entire of the Duke rape case, anything that triggers that same feeling of right to defend themselves in their own domain in a similar environment could be considered the proximate cause of any actions taken after that trigger is 'pulled' (as in Mr. Daye assaulting her in the bathroom to start the violent encounter) if, as if quite obvious, Ms. Mangum suffers from PTSD or similar illnesses in similar situations. That should have been part of the expert's testimony who was not allowed to provide expert defense evidence and assistance because she did not hold a professional degree, even though she was professionally contracted to instruct police squadrons in how to deal with victims and issues in similar situations.

That expert witness, or a qualified replacement, needs to be a part of this case and trial if the judgement about Ms. Mangum's actions after she was attacked by Mr. Daye in the bathroom in her own domain, and in such a way as to be very similar to the Duke Lacrosse case, is to be judged fairly and equally - since that is the issue in this and the Milton case obviously (or at least with reasonable probability and factual basis for intent and quilt as applied by law).

This issue should have been included in the Defense Appeal Brief already.; June 15, 2015 at 4:43 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 4:43:

The premise of your post is flawed. Mangum was not assaulted in the fake rape case. Her allegation was false. In addition, your description of the castle doctrine is flawed. The apartment was also Daye's. Finally, you misstate self-defense law. No one claims Daye did not initiate the violence. The question is whether Mangum stabbed him during the attack or whether she got a knife after he broke the attack off and was walking away. The jury found Mangum to be an unreliable witness. Her testimony was contradicted by the physical evidence.

Please correct your post to eliminate the errors. I think you will find that a post will be taken more seriously if its premise is not obviously flawed.; June 15, 2015 at 5:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Self defense was argued, fully. The Jury found it wasn't self-defense. Constantly crying about it won't help.; June 15, 2015 at 5:14 AM
Anonymous said...: You don't even 'get' the premise of the post to begin with.

Another reason why the issue needs to be included in the Defense Appeal Brief.

The jury needs to hear from Ms. Mangum's expert witnesses in order for the case to be understood to a reasonable level to even be judged by a jury to begin with.

It is Ms. Mangum whom is being judged for her actions, so therefore, her actions presumably stem from her, sick or not. Her illness, if a legally reasonable cause of any of her actions which by all accounts it seems to be, is therefore a critical matter to understand when asked to judge her actions.

Mr. Daye's intoxication could be considered the proximate cause of his drunken violent behavior in the same manner and his requirement for DT analysis and treatment and subsequent need for the ultimately fatal intubation malpractice stems in actuality from his illness of excessive intoxication and need for detoxification or re-intoxication to maintain health as well.

That is the factual series of complications and proximate causes in evidence in this case for the actions that happened that ended in Mr. Daye's ultimate death. The deletion and non-representation of these facts are all issues that need to be included in the Defense Appeal Brief. Perhaps these expert witnesses were not called because in evidence is the fact that Mr. Daye's intoxication was the proximate cause of his actual death, and understanding this nature of these illnesses, that they can be proximate causes of death or self-defensive actions - even if by ultimate deadly malpractice.

This issue is so obvious when it deals with Duke and the Mangum cases as Duke is one of the leaders in all these areas of expertise, so as always, there is no excuse for any of this not to be handled more professionally and with greater ethical concern for ALL then Duke has done and continues to do in these cases.

Again ... their obvious evil shines through for they do not even have the claim to innocence by ignorance ... in any of these cases - the kicker as always when it pertains to Duke and their claims to expertise in any area (especially ones where they receive billions of federal and state tax, and public and private non-profit donations and funds for research and treatment and expert witness and leadership). As always, Duke has no excuses.

That is why they are intentionally malicious in their corrupted and negligent actions that cause harm to any and can therefore be considered evil, (if other than by association of their beloved mascot is in any way needed). They have no excuses, least of all ignorance. Other than that, by law, they are responsible and can be held accountable.; June 15, 2015 at 6:51 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous 4:43 wrote: "The premise of your post is flawed. Mangum was not assaulted in the fake rape case. Her allegation was false. In addition, your description of the castle doctrine is flawed. The apartment was also Daye's. Finally, you misstate self-defense law. No one claims Daye did not initiate the violence. The question is whether Mangum stabbed him during the attack or whether she got a knife after he broke the attack off and was walking away. The jury found Mangum to be an unreliable witness. Her testimony was contradicted by the physical evidence."

Ding-Ding-Ding, Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!

Walt-in-Durham; June 15, 2015 at 7:10 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: " I presumed that you would not be so incredibly stupid you couldn't get it ".......... I presumed you would understand what a mixed metaphor was.

June 14, 2015 at 9:01 PM"

It was not a mixed metaphor. Just like you saying crystal is a rape victim does not establish reality, just like you saying crystal is not a murderess does not establish reality, your calling this a mixed metaphor does not establish reality.; June 15, 2015 at 9:14 AM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "when it came time to testify in 2013, Milton turned her in. What a friend!"................, Milton was compelled to testify against his will but like his friend Crystal he took the oath, he swore to, seriously and testified truthfully.

June 14, 2015 at 9:07 PM"

So why do you not take the truth seriously. Why do you try to pass off false allegations of rape as truth?; June 15, 2015 at 9:16 AM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The jury needs to hear from Ms. Mangum's expert witnesses in order for the case to be understood to a reasonable level to even be judged by a jury to begin with."

What expert witnesses are there to testify on crystal's behalf? In spite of the MD appended to his name, sidney would never be accredited to any court as an expert witness.; June 15, 2015 at 9:19 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "It was not a mixed metaphor. First metaphor; speech compared to the spewing of garbage. Second metaphor the idea expressed by the content of the speech is as offensive as rotten meat. The poster assumed I didn't understand what he meant and that he had to explain it to me. I wonder if he is the same confused person who posted June 13 at 11:27 AM; June 15, 2015 at 10:06 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said:Yes - Milton testified that when Crystal had a chance to flee a fight - she instead ran to the kitchen to get a knife. His testimony wasn't helpful"........ Milton was a witness albeit unwillingly, for the prosecution so it was not meant to be helpful to the defence; June 15, 2015 at 10:11 AM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; June 15, 2015 at 10:20 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "What expert witnesses are there to testify on crystal's behalf? In spite of the MD appended to his name, sidney would never be accredited to any court as an expert witness"....... The multitude of medical practitioners and technicians that actually treated Daye for his wound and those who were involved in treating his acute alcohol withdrawal symptoms, when a case of gross medical malpractice rendered him brain dead.; June 15, 2015 at 10:21 AM
Anonymous said...: "kenhyderal said...

"Anonymous said: "It was not a mixed metaphor. First metaphor; speech compared to the spewing of garbage."

Your speech was the spewing of garbage.

"Second metaphor the idea expressed by the content of the speech is as offensive as rotten meat."

Your speech, consisting of false accusations of innocent men of a heinous crime which never happened is not as offensive as rotten meat. It is MORE offensive.

"The poster assumed I didn't understand what he meant and that he had to explain it to me. I wonder if he is the same confused person who posted June 13 at 11:27 AM"

Wonder no longer. I am not.; June 15, 2015 at 12:01 PM
Anonymous said...: " kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "What expert witnesses are there to testify on crystal's behalf? In spite of the MD appended to his name, sidney would never be accredited to any court as an expert witness"....... The multitude of medical practitioners and technicians that actually treated Daye for his wound and those who were involved in treating his acute alcohol withdrawal symptoms, when a case of gross medical malpractice rendered him brain dead."

In case you haven't noticed, no multitude of medical practitioners has come forward to support crystal.

Or are you suggesting someone use a Nifongian approach-threaten them all with lawsuits unless they come forward to provide testimony it was malpractice?

sidney says it was malpractice. But he is not a real medical practitioner. He never was much of a practitioner.; June 15, 2015 at 12:05 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
You don't even 'get' the premise of the post to begin with.

Another reason why the issue needs to be included in the Defense Appeal Brief.

The jury needs to hear from Ms. Mangum's expert witnesses in order for the case to be understood to a reasonable level to even be judged by a jury to begin with.

It is Ms. Mangum whom is being judged for her actions, so therefore, her actions presumably stem from her, sick or not. Her illness, if a legally reasonable cause of any of her actions which by all accounts it seems to be, is therefore a critical matter to understand when asked to judge her actions.

Mr. Daye's intoxication could be considered the proximate cause of his drunken violent behavior in the same manner and his requirement for DT analysis and treatment and subsequent need for the ultimately fatal intubation malpractice stems in actuality from his illness of excessive intoxication and need for detoxification or re-intoxication to maintain health as well.

That is the factual series of complications and proximate causes in evidence in this case for the actions that happened that ended in Mr. Daye's ultimate death. The deletion and non-representation of these facts are all issues that need to be included in the Defense Appeal Brief. Perhaps these expert witnesses were not called because in evidence is the fact that Mr. Daye's intoxication was the proximate cause of his actual death, and understanding this nature of these illnesses, that they can be proximate causes of death or self-defensive actions - even if by ultimate deadly malpractice.

This issue is so obvious when it deals with Duke and the Mangum cases as Duke is one of the leaders in all these areas of expertise, so as always, there is no excuse for any of this not to be handled more professionally and with greater ethical concern for ALL then Duke has done and continues to do in these cases.

Again ... their obvious evil shines through for they do not even have the claim to innocence by ignorance ... in any of these cases - the kicker as always when it pertains to Duke and their claims to expertise in any area (especially ones where they receive billions of federal and state tax, and public and private non-profit donations and funds for research and treatment and expert witness and leadership). As always, Duke has no excuses.

That is why they are intentionally malicious in their corrupted and negligent actions that cause harm to any and can therefore be considered evil, (if other than by association of their beloved mascot is in any way needed). They have no excuses, least of all ignorance. Other than that, by law, they are responsible and can be held accountable.

So refreshing to see words from another enlightened commenter.

My next sharlog, on which I'm frantically working and hope to complete by week's end, will contain much new information... backed up by transcripts and interviews. Corruption on a broad scale by the prosecution.; June 15, 2015 at 12:31 PM
Walt said...: Unfortunately, Sid and Kenny along with a random few anonymous commentors seem to want to ignore the law. "The law in criminal prosecutions for murder is still that the intervening act must be the sole cause of death. It is sufficient that the defendant's act in shooting the deceased was a contributing factor which in combination with the subsequent acts of the doctor in treatment proximately caused the death. Even if the doctor was negligent, the defendant will not escape liability.[emphasis mine] State v. Jones, 290 N.C. 292, 225 S.E. 2d 549 (1976). Our Supreme Court has long held that "contributory negligence as such has no place in the law of crimes." State v. Foust, 258 N.C. 453, 459, 128 S.E.2d 889, 894 (1963). Simply put, attorneys who know the law, know Jones, Foust, Holsclaw, and Welch do not countenance the negligence argument advanced by Sid and Kenny. It is not a failure by the experienced lawyers to disregard Sid's negligence ideas. It is not a conspiracy, it is not corruption. It is a recognition that the law says what it says. Good lawyers, and Crystal was represented by good lawyers who gave her good advice, will not disregard the law simply because the client wants them to.

In short, Sid and Kenny are selling Crystal a bill of goods that will not help her case. Worse, they used their blatantly rejected theory to drive a wedge of doubt between her and the good lawyers who were giving her sound advice. They did that to her great disadvantage. With friends like Sid and Kenny, Crystal doesn't need any enemies.

Walt-in-Durham; June 15, 2015 at 1:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Fortunately that law doesn't also say that Duke can corrupt the justice and ME system when considering whether or not an act of malpractice was the sole cause of death or not in order to frame someone for murder and not take legal responsibility and accountability for the malpractice.; June 15, 2015 at 2:09 PM
Anonymous said...: " Anonymous said...

Fortunately that law doesn't also say that Duke can corrupt the justice and ME system when considering whether or not an act of malpractice was the sole cause of death or not in order to frame someone for murder and not take legal responsibility and accountability for the malpractice.

June 15, 2015 at 2:09 PM"

By are you stressed.

Also incredibly stupid.; June 15, 2015 at 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Sydney has a cohort in filing lawsuits:

http://time.com/3921964/rachel-dolezal-howard-university/; June 15, 2015 at 3:26 PM
kenhyderal supporter said...: Now, more than ever, I am proud to call kenhyderal my friend.; June 15, 2015 at 4:31 PM
kenhyderal said...: @Walt: OK Walt ,can you explain to me why the esophageal intubation, for acute alcohol withdrawal, unrelated to the wound inflicted by Crystal but related to Daye's chronic alcoholism, was not the "sole" cause of death. Neither Nicholls or Roberts have stated what the complication of the stab wound they relied on to draw their conclusion was. As so called expert witnesses they can't just say oh because he died there must have been some sort of complication to the wound. Nor can you rely on the premise that because Crystal's action sent this alcoholic to hospital where policies don't allow them to stave off withdrawal by giving an alcoholic alcohol she is culpable for his demise. When a walking talking alcoholic with a BAC 396mg/dl regardless of what sent him to Hospital, even a sprained ankle, is admitted there is the danger of acute alcohol withdrawal. It's a known risk and protocols which were underway, with Daye, were initiated to combat this. His unfortunate death was solely due to a mistake in treating this not some unspecified "complication" That mistake rises to the level of malpractice.; June 15, 2015 at 4:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 2:09 muses about "considering whether or not an act of malpractice was the sole cause of death... "

The court cases cited by Walt are quite clear that medical malpractice generally is not the sole cause of death. Indeed, a stab wound need only be a "contributing factor" in causing death. Although it is undoubtedly too strong to argue that there is a presumption that medical malpractice is not the "sole" cause of death unless a defendant can rebut that presumption with evidence, it is clear that the courts intended to hold defendants accountable for unexpected outcomes, including malpractice, resulting from treatment flowing from an alleged criminal attack. Speculation is insufficient.

In this case, we have two medical experts who concluded that Daye's death was an indirect result of the stab wound Mangum inflicted. In other words, the stab wound was a "contributing factor" in this death. I agree that Nichols' autopsy was sloppy. However, Roberts' report confirmed Nichols' conclusion that Daye's death was an indirect result of the stab wound. Although her report did not specify the complication, speculation is insufficient.

Two experts support the conclusion that the stab wound was a "contributing factor" in Daye's death. No experts have reached the opposite conclusion. None. Despite his decade as an emergency room physician, Sidney is not a medical expert. His opinion is insufficient to overcome Nichols' and Roberts' opinions. Despite his unparalleled Google skills, Kenny is not a medical expert. His opinion is insufficient to overcome Nichols' and Roberts' opinions.

Anonymous 2:09, you, Sidney and Kenny need to do two things to pursue this argument.

First, hire a medical expert who supports your conclusion. The opinions of a retired doctor and a skilled Googler have no merit under the law. Second, hire an attorney who supports your opinion that Walt's reading of Welch, Jones, Holsclaw and Foust do not support Mangum's conviction. The opinions of a retired doctor and a skilled Googler have little merit, particularly when they refuse to provide case law to support their untrained opinions.

Good luck!; June 15, 2015 at 5:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Rather than ask Walt to explain his analysis, why don't you just provide an analysis of other cases that proves him wrong. Daye can't be the first alcoholic to die in a hospital after he was stabbed or shot. Just find them and you can show him that Google is far more powerful than a law degree.; June 15, 2015 at 5:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny, you just assume it's for acute alcohol withdrawal - as was noted, Dr. Roberts addresses the DTs ... you refuse to ask Meier, or her, or anyone else, how - because you know the answer is bad (because Dr. Roberts and all her lawyers told Crystal she was bad for Crystal).

You are delusional and pathetic. You keep repeating the same crap over and over, despite evidence that you are wrong - and you refuse to try to find answers.

It's sad how much you must hate Crystal to keep hurting her so.

Sid should ban you because you are clearly a joke.; June 15, 2015 at 5:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Why do blacks defend black criminals like Crystal Mangum,OJ Simpson,Trayvon Martin,Michael Brown,Rodney King,Freddie Gray,etc.? Whites don't defend white criminals.It says a lot about the differences between the races.; June 15, 2015 at 5:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Are you serious? The state's ME made false and misleading statements on the first autopsy report. The DA needs to get that investigated through the SBI. Ms. Mangum's lawyers need to educate themselves in the medical details and discrepancies of the case in order to provide equal protection and defense assistance for Ms. Mangum. The DA is well aware of the issues between Duke and Ms. Mangum, and should find any hint of discrepancy by Duke or the ME system or the public defender's system suspect in this case (instead of ignoring all the issues and discrepancies and directly supporting it).

Ya'll act like it is Dr. Harr's job to do all that when there is a system in place who's job it is to do all that and it is obviously broken so ya'll complain about it consistently loud and clear for the lacrosse case, yet cheer it on in this case. This case just shows ya'll loud and clear that it is Duke and the NC system that need fixin' for ALL, not just the lacrosse team. Of course, as long as Ms. Mangum is harmed by Duke and the system, ya'll don't mind when you are too then. Right?; June 15, 2015 at 5:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Why would the lacrosse team need fixin? They didn't do anything wrong and have won three national championships since Mangum falsely accused them of a gang rape that never happened.; June 15, 2015 at 8:44 PM
kenhyderal said...: These Players had a well earned reputation for bad behaviour and their sense of entitlement. Some of their professors found them to have bad attitudes. Exploiting and using vulnerable women by hiring them as exotic dancers to perform at a drunken bash and then to drug, sexually assault, and rob one of them is not the definition of character. Nor is remaining silent about a rape you know was perpetrated by some of your house guests. Then to, spreading malicious lies about the victim is immoral. They have been able to convince most but not all that they are fine outstanding citizen while at the same time falsely demonizing Crystal who, in reality is a more moral person then all of them; June 15, 2015 at 9:28 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Why do blacks defend black criminals like Crystal Mangum,OJ Simpson,Trayvon Martin,Michael Brown,Rodney King,Freddie Gray,etc.?"............................. Crystal Mangum ,Trayvon Martin, Rodney King and Freddie Gray were not criminals.
however Crystal's rapists, George Zimmerman, Laurence Powell, Stacey Koon and Caesar Goodson were; June 15, 2015 at 9:42 PM

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