justice4nifong: An open letter to PETA President Ingrid Newkirk

Wednesday, April 9, 2014

An open letter to PETA President Ingrid Newkirk

126 comments:

Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Is it just me, or are the shlogs - and the comments they generate - getting progressively worse?

It's just you.; April 9, 2014 at 7:01 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
It's sad, the Dr. Roberts' report isn't the bombshell Sid claims, in fact, it largely shows he's full of crap, so the blog devolves back into obsessing over the Lacrosse case, and Nazis?

Of course it's a Nuke bombshell. The Roberts review supports my allegations that the discrepancies exist between the autopsy report and the medical records. It brings into question the accuracy, objectivity, and reliability of the entire Nichols autopsy report. If it weren't such an important document, Mangum's own defense attorneys would not have done so much to keep it hidden from her.; April 9, 2014 at 7:05 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Nifong Supporter said...
Nifong Supporter said...

Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...
Nifong appears to be the only non-incarcerated person on Crusty's side who was willing to talk to Cohan.

Good news is that the fonger obviously won't be getting his license back.

KC Johnson - Cohan Lax on Prosecutorial Ethics

I've been willing and available to talk to Mr. Cohan, but he never contacted me. Ergo, your premise is shot to pieces.

Also, Mike Nifong has not been trying to have his license reinstated. He doesn't want to practice in a corrupted system.; April 9, 2014 at 7:10 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"
I've been willing and available to talk to Mr. Cohan, but he never contacted me. Ergo, your premise is shot to pieces."

What is shot to pieces is your delusion that Mr. Cohan would want to talk to you.; April 9, 2014 at 7:52 AM
A Lawyer said...: Latest (devastating) analysis from Prof. Johnson:

http://durhamwonderland.blogspot.com/2014/04/cohan-struggles-of-something-happened.html; April 9, 2014 at 10:12 AM
Anonymous said...: The Roberts review supports my allegations that the discrepancies exist between the autopsy report and the medical records.

No one ever disputed that, in fact, it was brought up in the trial, and Dr. Nichols admitted there were discrepancies.; April 9, 2014 at 10:51 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

It says something when people, like Cohan, who are generally sympathetic towards Nifong and Mangum do not seek your input.

Did Nifong tell you why he has not applied to have his license reinstated, or did you just make it up?; April 9, 2014 at 12:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Nifong has publicly, and repeatedly, stated that he has no intention of applying for his license back. He doesn't say he has no desire to practice in a corrupt system (Sid makes that up), but he says he enjoys retirement and has no intention of changing that. He's said that numerous times in numerous articles and interviews.

Sid is right occasionally, not often, but occasionally. I'd say he's like a stopped clock, but that's right twice a day, and Sid maybe manages twice a decade.; April 9, 2014 at 12:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Defending human and animal killers like Vick and Mangum.Some people have no shame.Always remember no white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal Mangum.; April 9, 2014 at 12:56 PM
Anonymous said...: Even if Nifong got his license back,which will never happen,it would be as worthless as toilet paper.; April 9, 2014 at 12:59 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sid:

It says something when people, like Cohan, who are generally sympathetic towards Nifong and Mangum do not seek your input.

Did Nifong tell you why he has not applied to have his license reinstated, or did you just make it up?

Mike told me that he did not want to practice law again. As a point of justice, I would like to have his license reinstated because it was unjustly taken from him.; April 9, 2014 at 2:15 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Defending human and animal killers like Vick and Mangum.Some people have no shame.Always remember no white man would ever want to have sex with Crystal Mangum.

First of all, Mangum did not kill Daye. Secondly, Vick served time for his alleged criminal act, and I defend his right to pursue a livelihood and happiness, as guaranteed in the Constitution.; April 9, 2014 at 2:19 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
The Roberts review supports my allegations that the discrepancies exist between the autopsy report and the medical records.

No one ever disputed that, in fact, it was brought up in the trial, and Dr. Nichols admitted there were discrepancies.

Yeah, but how does he explain the discrepancies..? And there are many and significant differences between his autopsy report and the other medical records.; April 9, 2014 at 2:21 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Has Ingrid Newkirk recently said something about Michael Vick?

Does the dawg-killer want his license back too?; April 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter said...

"He doesn't want to practice in a corrupted system."

Guess Nifong doesn't want to be a member of a club that would have him as a member...

The system became moderately less corrupt when the fonger was booted from it.

Sounds like now we're going to get to hear about his heinous prosecutorial behaviour from years prior to his & Crusty's hoax of 2006.; April 9, 2014 at 8:29 PM
Anonymous said...: I wonder if 'they' would want another war in the Middle East so bad that 'they' would assasinate the current president, and get a manchurian candidate of whatever race or ethinicity 'they' thought would provide the most spin for the buck, so in this case, probably a middle eastener, to commit the deeds and take the blame and provide the needed spin. Since this might enrage the entire nation 'they' might think, it would become their newest perfect reason to wage war - on Iran or Syria or even USA citizens if a white perp is chosen instead to incite a major race riot in the states. Anyway, just some follow up thoughts about the documentary called Dark Legend II about the Kennedys and their plight with members of their family being assassinated.; April 10, 2014 at 12:27 AM
Anonymous said...: So where does Duke fit into the PETA, Nazi, Kennedy, Manchurian, etc., issue? Our local Duke conspiracist has been silent, hopefully they didn't get him ...; April 10, 2014 at 3:27 AM
Anonymous said...: It doesn't from the film and my comments on the film ... just somethin' i found interesting ... my version of the current book review craze (cept it was a film of course).; April 10, 2014 at 4:07 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
So where does Duke fit into the PETA, Nazi, Kennedy, Manchurian, etc., issue? Our local Duke conspiracist has been silent, hopefully they didn't get him ...

One thing about this blog site... it is one of diversity. Although rooted in the Duke Lacrosse case, it covers the gamut of issues local and international... historical, as well as fictional. Durham-in-Wonderland doesn't even come close.

A new sharlog is under production and should be posted by next Sunday.; April 10, 2014 at 6:46 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter @ April 9, 2014 at 7:07 AM said...

I've been willing and available to talk to Mr. Cohan, but he never contacted me.

I cannot imagine why not, Sidney. Perhaps he only had one set of kneepads...

Suffice it to say that Cohan's list of interviewees is short indeed. Shorter still if one insists on credible interviewees.

This does beg the question, tho - where exactly were you when the hoax was in full swing? Mar, 2006 - July, 2007.

I do not recall ever hearing anything from you (or hearing of you, ftm) during that period.; April 10, 2014 at 8:42 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Wow -- In the new book, Nifong admits:

“There was only a Duke lacrosse case because they made the police put all this stuff in this affidavit that was part of the public record. If they give the sample voluntarily, there is never any doubt raised. Nothing ever happens. There’s never a Duke lacrosse case.”

You see what he's saying here, Sid? He's saying that had the NTO not been necessary due to the players' availing themselves of their Constitutional rights, no one would have ever known about the case...He would have gotten the DNA results and would not have tried any of the Duke LAX players.; April 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...: If Duke had availed the team immediately of the advice and availability of a non conflicted lawyer the case would probably never have blown up into a full scale ongoing never-ending story for Duke and the team.; April 10, 2014 at 10:19 AM
Anonymous said...: If Duke had the wisdom to send patients who obviously have a legal conflict with Duke to another non-duke conflicted medical facility, there would be less of a chance of Duke's medical liability and culpability in these cases. Duke has to take responsibility for creating the environment that exists in NC because of them where even they too can no longer be assured of reasonable legal actions taken against them due to their corruption and perversion of politics, justice, and the 'industry'.; April 10, 2014 at 10:41 AM
Anonymous said...: That's the Duke crazy I was missing ... I was worried that we were getting away from the absurd Duke conspiracies and just into regular absurd conspiracies. Nice to know they didn't get him, the tinfoil hat still works.; April 10, 2014 at 10:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Duke did assist in the death of one of the Kennedy's actually, but there was no mention of that in this film. It is curious though, because typically universities are thought to lean more towards democratic or liberal thinking, but in Duke's case, there is a very strong Republican presence and leanings. They seem to be a very brain washed and subverted group of people to their own 'dukeness', deception, and lies.

I talked to one dukie once and they could not answer even their own simple questions without breaking the query down into the stupidest questions I have yet to hear since. It was like the knowledge that a small child would inherently have just wasn't there for their own intellectual benefit or something. But I talked to that person only once, which was a huge relief.; April 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: For our anonymous @ 12;27 poster, the documentary is Dark Legacy or JFK 2: The Bush Connection....The 2 are basically the same,

Here's what the Citizens for Truth About the Kennedy Assassination (CTKA) have to say about this documentary and it's, uh....reliability.; April 10, 2014 at 12:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Personally I think all the questions posed should have been answered a long time ago in a way such that there was no reason to continue to question what was done or not done because of the way things were done.

What is weird is that this documentary is available to all and yet there apparently is still no answers nor closure to the issues, just like many other cases, including the current Mangum case and the lacrosse case.; April 10, 2014 at 1:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Personally, I think anyone who would believe the Dark Legacy "documentary" whole cloth is a moron.; April 10, 2014 at 2:02 PM
guiowen said...: To the 1:00 p.m.,
You're wrong.; April 10, 2014 at 2:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said, to Sid:

"This does beg the question, tho - where exactly were you when the hoax was in full swing?"

Are you suggesting that Sid may be the "mystery rapist" Kenny keeps droning on about?; April 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Does anyone else believe that the Duke lacrosse players were behind 9/11?; April 10, 2014 at 6:41 PM
Anonymous said...: They were a bit young to have been involved, but here is a question for you: do you think Ms. Mangum could in any way be responsible for everything that was wrong with the lacrosse case taking into consideration that both Duke and Nifong were successfully sued for their involvement in the case?; April 10, 2014 at 10:03 PM
Anonymous said...: The lacrosse case started when Mangum falsely accused three innocent people of a crime that did not happen. Without her lies, there is no lacrosse case. So in that respect she is responsible for it.; April 10, 2014 at 10:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Then why was Nifong and Duke sued for their lies, etc., in the case? You do not see the bigger picture of what happened in that case because of why?; April 11, 2014 at 12:50 AM
Anonymous said...: I thought Kenhyderal was particularly notorious in his denial of the facts of the Duke Lacrosse hoax. William D. Cohan, as a denier of obvious facts, makes kenny look puny. That is an interesting commentary on Cohan's intellectual capacity, or lack thereof.

Maybe Kenny should give him Kilgo's contact information.; April 11, 2014 at 4:56 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 11, 2014 at 12:50 AMsaid...

Then why was Nifong and Duke sued for their lies, etc., in the case?

Crusty, Duke, Nifong, the Durham PD, et al, all had their parts to play. All contributed to the hoax/frame.; April 11, 2014 at 6:03 AM
Anonymous said...: Crusty? Who's that?; April 11, 2014 at 6:06 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...
Nifong Supporter @ April 9, 2014 at 7:07 AM said...

I've been willing and available to talk to Mr. Cohan, but he never contacted me.

I cannot imagine why not, Sidney. Perhaps he only had one set of kneepads...

Suffice it to say that Cohan's list of interviewees is short indeed. Shorter still if one insists on credible interviewees.

This does beg the question, tho - where exactly were you when the hoax was in full swing? Mar, 2006 - July, 2007.

I do not recall ever hearing anything from you (or hearing of you, ftm) during that period.

During March 2006 through July 2007 I was in Raleigh. It wasn't until June 2008 when I first learned that Mike Nifong was the only prosecutor to be disbarred by the State Bar since its inception in 1933 that I became an active advocate and co-founded the Committee on Justice for Mike Nifong.; April 11, 2014 at 6:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Why not advocate for Brewer, who was also disbarred? And if Ms Cline is disbarred will you advocate for her?; April 11, 2014 at 7:19 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 11, 2014 at 6:06 AM

Crusty = Crystal, she of the rarely-if-ever-laundered-panties; April 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter @ April 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM said...

It wasn't until June 2008 when I first learned that Mike Nifong was the only prosecutor to be disbarred by the State Bar...

Well, there ya go, Sidney - you weren't 'there' with Crusty and Nifong during their hoax.

No wonder Cohan saw no need to contact you.; April 11, 2014 at 9:01 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"

Of course it's a Nuke bombshell. The Roberts review supports my allegations that the discrepancies exist between the autopsy report and the medical records. It brings into question the accuracy, objectivity, and reliability of the entire Nichols autopsy report. If it weren't such an important document, Mangum's own defense attorneys would not have done so much to keep it hidden from her."

No it isn't. No it doesn't.; April 11, 2014 at 9:51 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Do you understand the concepts of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Evidently not.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt means 1) the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime happened, then 2) prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused did it.

Your stance on Attorney General Cooper's statement that he and his investigators had no right to express their belief that the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players were in fact innocent says, rather loud and clear, that AG Cooper should have presumed a crime had happened.

What evidence do you have that a crime had happened? None. Crystal's word was an allegation, not evidence. She may have been certain in identifying three innocent men as her assailants but she sure was not credible or reliable.; April 11, 2014 at 9:55 AM
Anonymous said...: The legally acceptable way to term it would have been not guilty due to lack of evidence since they were already innocent until proven guilty. It was confusing to most.; April 11, 2014 at 10:09 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Charges dismissed with prejudice.

Game over.; April 11, 2014 at 11:40 AM
guiowen said...: Say did you see the readers' reviews of Cohan's book on Amazon.com? On a scale of 1 to 5 (where 1 is worst), the book is currently rating 1.6 :-); April 11, 2014 at 3:13 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Do you understand the concept of res ipsa loquitur? Evidently not.; April 11, 2014 at 7:40 PM
Anonymous said...: The release of the book the Price of Silence, (which from the comments on Amazon implies that Ms. Mangum is a murderer), during the appeal of the ongoing murder trial where the question of who the actual killers are, Ms. Mangum or Duke, could be the reason why the judge rushed the trial like was done and therefore is also reason for the appeal. A trial seemingly orchestrated and directed so that could be said about her with the release of this book to a targeted audience in order to prejudice her appeal and Duke's culpability in what would seem to be an illegal manner perhaps, but certainly a most obvious brazen non-ethical Duke specific action once again.; April 11, 2014 at 8:39 PM
guiowen said...: To the 8:39,
You're wrong about the book, as about so many other things.; April 11, 2014 at 10:14 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: We're starting to see a new meme, Crystal fans posting here and elsewhere that since her murder conviction is (allegedly) on appeal, it is somehow wrong to call her what she is - a convicted murder.

The only evidence of the purported appeal is that her attorney said, on the day after her conviction for murder, that he was going to appeal.

Also mentioned is some supposed review/investigation of the autopsies. Again, nothing is shown to support that such an investigation is in progress.

If either appeal and/or investigation are forthcoming it will be 5-8 years before anything substantive is heard about it.; April 12, 2014 at 6:11 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Another meme recently noted, supposedly in support of imagined errors or deliberate acts by DMC regarding the autopsy:

"and that Duke's role in Mr. Daye's death is suspicious at best given the history of the Duke Lacrosse Case."

Casting doubt on DMC because of their work on DukeLAX, where Duke bent over backwards to assist Nifong and Gottlieb in the lacrosse rape hoax. Oops.; April 12, 2014 at 6:17 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Do you understand the concept of cum mortuis in lingua mortua? Evidently not.; April 12, 2014 at 8:32 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Why not advocate for Brewer, who was also disbarred? And if Ms Cline is disbarred will you advocate for her?

Brewer who? More information required.

As far as Tracey Cline is concerned, I do not believe that she should be disbarred. I will do what I can to help her, however.; April 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...
Nifong Supporter @ April 11, 2014 at 8:55 AM said...

It wasn't until June 2008 when I first learned that Mike Nifong was the only prosecutor to be disbarred by the State Bar...

Well, there ya go, Sidney - you weren't 'there' with Crusty and Nifong during their hoax.

No wonder Cohan saw no need to contact you.

You misunderstand. I have been living in Raleigh since November 2005. It was in 2008 that I became an active advocate for justice.; April 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

Do you understand the concepts of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Evidently not.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt means 1) the prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime happened, then 2) prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused did it.

Your stance on Attorney General Cooper's statement that he and his investigators had no right to express their belief that the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players were in fact innocent says, rather loud and clear, that AG Cooper should have presumed a crime had happened.

What evidence do you have that a crime had happened? None. Crystal's word was an allegation, not evidence. She may have been certain in identifying three innocent men as her assailants but she sure was not credible or reliable.

Can you cite one instance anywhere in the United States when an attorney general or any prosecutor pronounced a defendant innocent... or guilty?

The only thing that the attorney general could have done that is appropriate is to dismiss charges against the defendant, or pursue them.; April 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...
We're starting to see a new meme, Crystal fans posting here and elsewhere that since her murder conviction is (allegedly) on appeal, it is somehow wrong to call her what she is - a convicted murder.

The only evidence of the purported appeal is that her attorney said, on the day after her conviction for murder, that he was going to appeal.

Also mentioned is some supposed review/investigation of the autopsies. Again, nothing is shown to support that such an investigation is in progress.

If either appeal and/or investigation are forthcoming it will be 5-8 years before anything substantive is heard about it.

Whatchoo, I know that's what you're wishing for, but don't count on it.; April 12, 2014 at 11:44 AM
Anonymous said...: Brewer:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7937222; April 12, 2014 at 12:37 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Can you cite one instance anywhere in the United States when an attorney general or any prosecutor pronounced a defendant innocent... or guilty?

The only thing that the attorney general could have done that is appropriate is to dismiss charges against the defendant, or pursue them."

Another straw fisherman holding up a red herring.

De facto you admit there is and never has been evidence the Lacrosse players raped Crystal. But you insist, because they were accused, they should have been presumed guilty, i.e, presumed to have perpetrated a crime.

I ask again, where is the evidence that a crime happened?If no crime happened, how do you justify the presumption that a crime did happen?; April 12, 2014 at 1:01 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"You misunderstand. I have been living in Raleigh since November 2005. It was in 2008 that I became an active advocate for justice."

You misunderstand. Your activities the past 6 years are in no way advocacy for justice; April 12, 2014 at 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Correction:

SIDNEY HARR:

"Can you cite one instance anywhere in the United States when an attorney general or any prosecutor pronounced a defendant innocent... or guilty?

The only thing that the attorney general could have done that is appropriate is to dismiss charges against the defendant, or pursue them."

Another straw fisherman holding up a red herring.

De facto you admit there is NOT and never has been evidence the Lacrosse players raped Crystal. But you insist, because they were accused, they should have been presumed guilty, i.e, presumed to have perpetrated a crime.

I ask again, where is the evidence that a crime happened?If no crime happened, how do you justify the presumption that a crime did happen?; April 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Do you understand the concept of cogitationis poenam nemo patitur? Evidently not.; April 12, 2014 at 1:44 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter said...

You misunderstand. I have been living in Raleigh since November 2005.

No, you misunderstand, Sidney. I wasn't asking where you were geographically during the hoax; rather, were you involved or known during the hoax - if there was any reason why Cohan would want to interview you reading the events of 2006-2007.

Apparently not.

Whatchoo, I know that's (5-8 years before appeal is heard) what you're wishing for, but don't count on it.

5-8 years would be light speed for the legal system in NC.

If I were wishing for something in this situation, it'd be that the appeals fail and she does the full 14.; April 12, 2014 at 1:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Any of the NC ME autopsy reports can be questioned for reliability in any case at this point one would assume, but especially those completed by Dr. Nichols. Indeed, at this point, wouldn't a lawyer be remiss in allowing any case to progress based on any autopsy report, (since he was the lead ME), until the issue with the autopsy reports in this case are resolved since this case alone creates sufficient doubt about the credibity of all NC autopsy reports, and at least specifically any report overseen by Dr. Nichols. There is no way the justice system can continue to ignore the issue without a major legal complaint it would seem.

Dr. Harr, how exactly is the appeal and request for an investigation by Ms. Mangum tracked for progress?; April 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Do you understand the concept of cuius est solum eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos? Evidently not.; April 12, 2014 at 5:41 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter said...

Brewer who? More information required.

Possibly Beth Brewer, whose §7A-66 (Removal of district attorneys) petition made it possible for Hudson to remove Nifong from office. She's a reputable atty in Durham, I doubt she's been disbarred.

As far as Tracey Cline is concerned, I do not believe that she should be disbarred.

With the disrespect she showed a sitting judge I'd be surprised if the Bar hasn't opened a file on her. Perhaps we'll have to wait until the authorities have completed the investigations of the cases Neff detailed last year.

Bitch be cray cray. And dishonest.; April 12, 2014 at 8:00 PM
Anonymous said...: You would have thought after the lacrosse case that Duke would have learned it's lessons and stopped trying to subvert and corrupt the justice system, so it is understandable that she reacted the way she did when the innocence commission led by duke and the lacrosse players worked with Judge Hudson to further discredit and manipulate the court with cases that caused unreasonable harm to the victims, their families, the public, the justice system, and Ms. Cline herself all with the enthusiastic assistance, harrassment and disrespect for the victims, their families, and the public by the News and Observer.; April 13, 2014 at 3:46 AM
Anonymous said...: Perhaps it is the fact that the corruption in the justice system has gotten so bad that dealing with it makes a person overly upset and left to their own devices to obtain legal justice. Check out what one Durham Citizen is doing to fight for justice found on the ABC11-WTVD internet news site today: "Anti-Sheriff Mike Andrews signs popping up around Durham"; April 13, 2014 at 4:56 AM
Anonymous said...: That guy is as big a loon as Sid, he would fit right in on this board.; April 13, 2014 at 5:25 AM
Anonymous said...: So would the lacrosse players if they didn't actually have access to highly paid lawyers to fight the duke / durham legal system for them in most likelihood. Imagine that.; April 13, 2014 at 6:28 AM
Anonymous said...: I think the reason everyone hates duke is because they treat everyone and everything like a football to be thrown around at whim and desire as long as the throw is designed to win the game, and no one or thing gets in the way of the throw, and if it does, they call foul, and then pick the ball up and throw it again without any regard to the rules or the game, just that they win - or appear to. So if the win is to create chaos, it matters less the rules or the game to them - and in their winning scheme - hopefully even less to the football or whoever participates in or watches the game.

If chaos is the win - then chaotic nonjustice is just another spin.; April 13, 2014 at 6:56 AM
Anonymous said...: From the standpoint of a citizen witness to this case and this blog coupled with what is known about duke from the news, etc., it is sad to watch such an esteemed and revered for its potential institution of higher learning and research for the betterment of health and social welfare for all people seen in reality as such as you see in this case, this blog and its constant legal struggles because of duke and duke / durham justice system (with cases that are handled in ways that create such unprofessional, unjust, and outrageously corrupt and malicious persecution, harm and results), and other distrubing items in the news that coupled together by connecting dots and seeing what they really do and how they really do it ... really makes a person stop and wonder ... are they different in anything else that they do?; April 13, 2014 at 7:25 AM
Anonymous said...: In Duke / Durham - since Duke has so much money and provides so many lawyers, doctors, politicians, nurses, leaders, wall street stock brokers, journalists, etc., etc., - by their very nature of who and what they are - the justice system should be more situated to assist those who must face the challenges placed upon them due to the undue influence that Duke has on their life, health, society, legal system, justice system, governmental lobbying and legislative influence backed by unlimited money, etc., etc., etc., - not less (as in having to rely on people with no legal degrees or experience to assist in their defense instead of competent non-conflicted, non-corrupted lawyers in a competent non-conflicted, non-corrupt justice system).

What Duke / Durham has and is now is still as big a joke as everyone has been laughing and arguing about since the lacrosse case, as proven by this case so far.

The fact that the malpractice and autopsy reports were not handled professionally from the start by the DA, judges, duke, the MEs, and the lawyers proves that there exists the very real possibility of people believing Duke would kill Mr. Daye to frame Ms. Mangum for murder, and Duke thinking its chances were better - as always - in chaos, nontruth, confusion, divisiness, and continued harm and threat of harm to many or any.

That is not justice - and neither Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, or anyone else has to stand for it.; April 13, 2014 at 7:26 AM
Anonymous said...: You really are insane. It's amazing that Dr. Harr has found his syncophant to believe his crap. I really do hope you don't just hole up in your house with your tinfoil hat blathering on about the latest conspiracy instead of realizing that Harr is full of crap, everything on this blog has been debunked, and there is no vast conspiracy against you.

But, if not ... Reynolds Wrap loves the business - remember to change the hat every day to keep the waves out.; April 13, 2014 at 8:00 AM
Anonymous said...: You really are insane. It's amazing that Dr. Harr has found his syncophant to believe his crap. I really do hope you don't just hole up in your house with your tinfoil hat blathering on about the latest conspiracy instead of realizing that Harr is full of crap, everything on this blog has been debunked, and there is no vast conspiracy against you.

But, if not ... Reynolds Wrap loves the business - remember to change the hat every day to keep the waves out.; April 13, 2014 at 8:01 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 13, 2014 at 7:26 AMsaid...

The fact that the malpractice and autopsy reports were not handled professionally from the start by the DA...

Hmmm, who was the DA during the investigation of the murder Crystal committed?

Always keep in mind that Duke's handling of Daye's treatment had no bearing on Crystal's culpability - Daye was in the hospital because Crusty stabbed him. Legally she's responsible for his death no matter what Duke did. As Walt has explained numeous times.; April 13, 2014 at 8:11 AM
Anonymous said...: asshat troll - stop copying and pasting past posts and then calling yourself insane for doing it why don't you; April 13, 2014 at 8:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Stop bullying me you evil duke troll; April 13, 2014 at 9:02 AM
Anonymous said...: you seriously would need more than a tinhat or reynolds wrap to deal with your issues me thinks - maybe start by realizing that you wouldn't be so pissed at everyone if it were not for Duke and what they did

try that - it might help you some - but i don't know; April 13, 2014 at 9:09 AM
Anonymous said...: If you were to need duke health services knowing what they have done in this case, would you ask each and every person you came into contact with and/or seek some kind of verification from any other who may affect your health at duke, (insisting that they look you straight in the eye and fill out an affidavit or something), what are your moral opinions about the killing of Mr. Daye? THEN, would you take time to consider their responses carefully before you ever let them put a blood pressure cuff on you or stick a needle in your arm to draw blood or sign their paperwork accepting their services, etc.? ???

How does a person deal with this latest outrage by duke AND still accept their medical services? ???; April 13, 2014 at 6:36 PM
Walt said...: Anon at 6:36 PM, I think you might want to look to Central Regional Hospital for your most immediate health needs.

Walt-in-Durham; April 13, 2014 at 7:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Seriously Walt?

I guess you think Duke has you in their wallets so your safe from them eh? Good luck with that one. Your healthy remaining parts will recoup it I'm sure. Seriously, have fun.; April 13, 2014 at 7:34 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: Are you suggesting that Sid may be the "mystery rapist" Kenny keeps droning on about"........ There is no "mystery rapist". Those who raped Crystal were guests at the Party. They are known to many of the attendees and they were observed in their nefarious actions by some of them. I have never droned on about mystery rapists. It's you, or some other cowardly anonymous posters, who have thrown in this term in an attempt to cast ridicule on Crystal's assertions.; April 13, 2014 at 9:01 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Please stop whining. It was amusing for a while, but we're all getting tired of it.; April 13, 2014 at 9:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Why do you think your agendas give you the right to troll others who do not hold your agenda nor outlook on thinks guiwon? The evil duke troll gang you belong to? Is that it?; April 13, 2014 at 9:45 PM
guiowen said...: To the 9:45,
Stop trolling, you bully.; April 13, 2014 at 10:23 PM
guiowen said...: To the 9:45,
Stop trolling, you bully.; April 13, 2014 at 10:24 PM
Anonymous said...: ok, i'll stop asking you to stop trolling and bullying about your agendas if you stop copying and posting past posts that aren't even yours and calling yourself insane for doing it g ..., etc., etc., etc. ...

blah; April 13, 2014 at 11:16 PM
guiowen said...: Stop bullying, you troll.; April 14, 2014 at 1:52 AM
Anonymous said...: stop bullying and trolling us g ...

we've all asked you to stop for quite a while now - all of us; April 14, 2014 at 3:48 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Please explain.

William Cohan has published his book.

So why has Kilgo's anonymous Lacrosse player friend not come forth to express his support?

I can explain why. Kilgo's anonymous player friend does not exist. It's something he has in common with all the non Lacrosse player party attendees in whom you believe.; April 14, 2014 at 3:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney asks: Can you cite one instance anywhere in the United States when an attorney general or any prosecutor pronounced a defendant innocent?

An earlier poster cited several cases a couple of years ago. I will not repeat the research.

Sidney of course declared the cases different and continued to make the false claim that Cooper's statement was unprecedented.

In these cases, the attorneys general reviewed concluded that defendants had been wrongly convicted and were innocent. Because the AG's conclusion had no legal effect, the defendants needed a court order to set aside the earlier guilty verdict.; April 14, 2014 at 4:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal:

No one uses the term "mystery rapists" to cast ridicule on Crystal's assertions. They use the term "mystery rapists" to cast ridicule on you.; April 14, 2014 at 5:00 AM
Anonymous said...: In 5 1/2 years, Crystal's memoir racked up 11 one star reviews on Amazon. In less than a couple weeks William Cohan's book has racked up 22 one star reviews.

An indication of the quality of the book which Sidney says sheds new light on the Lacrosse case.; April 14, 2014 at 5:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Those statistics might mean a lot to ya'll's evil duke troll gang, but thats all the statistics are - a tally of ya'lls evil duke troll gang.; April 14, 2014 at 7:27 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Dr. KC Johnson's review of Cohan's book can be found here.; April 14, 2014 at 8:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Just read it and others, Lance. Excellent. KC gets to the point. Trash written about trash is, well, trash.; April 14, 2014 at 8:53 AM
Anonymous said...: So you think the lacrosse players, Duke, Mr. Cohen, etc., etc., etc. are all trash?; April 14, 2014 at 9:13 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: " In less than a couple weeks William Cohan's book has racked up 22 one star reviews."

Interesting to note about the book is that there are a number of 5-star reviews as well.

The thing is, the reviewers that gave these 5-star reviews have NEVER reviewed any other book on Amazon.

You would think that, were they friends of Mr. Cohan, they would have reviewed his other books as well....

Odds are that the favorable reviews are from people associated with Scribner's (Cohan's book publisher).; April 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM
Anonymous said...: I wrote one of the reviews....having read several of Cohan's books. I gave this piece of garbage one star and wishes for a zero or minus option. Terrible writing. Terrible substantiation, source verification, lousy fact checking and hilarious errors! Cohan and Scribner gotta be embarrassed. He is basically a business writer who got himself in deep fecal matter when he tried to jump on the LAX trash money train.
And,yes, I review many books I purchase through Amazon.; April 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Have you been able to find time to read the new book yet? I'm curious how Mr. Cohan referred to Ms. Mangum. Did he refer to her as a convicted murderer? I personally think that would be the most telling fact in the book to determine the book's ability to accurately recount the details of the case. Thank you for answering about this aspect of that book if you can.; April 14, 2014 at 10:24 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: In his book, Cohan only deals with Crystal Mangum up to and just after her rape accusation..As such, he doesn't offer much of an opinion about her current "situation". He seems quite complimentary here.; April 14, 2014 at 10:51 AM
Anonymous said...: So do you think his silence about the current case in a book about the lacrosse case released during the appeal of the current case, (where it was agreed between the defense and the prosecution not to mention the lacrosse case due to the off chance that her case could be any more compromised by conflicts than it already was), is because:

a. he's actually concerned about the fairness of the current case's appeal and Duke's involvement with the medical malpractice and he thinks the lacrosse case might become an issue in a new trial if the appeal is won and there is one, so he wanted to be obliging and provide his version of the case now in the off chance that someone doesn't know about all that yet within the jury pool?

b. he's whacked and deserves a 0 critique for his book if one could be found?

c. or what?; April 14, 2014 at 11:07 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: My assumption here is that you're concerned that he referred to Crystal Mangum as a "convicted murderer"...

He does state here that, with regard to the Reginald Daye murder trial, "...A Durham County jury disagreed with her explanation, and in November 2013 convicted Mangum of Daye's murder. She has been sentenced to up to 18 years in prison."

He doesn't state (and I can't confirm) that an appeal has been filed.; April 14, 2014 at 11:12 AM
Anonymous said...: Yes, that was my interest since it tells more about his ability to fairly recount issues related to her or contrare to Duke or 'silence' himself in my opinion.; April 14, 2014 at 11:18 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: I can't find any record to indicate that Crystal Mangum and her attorneys have filed an appeal. Does anyone here know if this has been done?; April 14, 2014 at 11:22 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: "She has been sentenced to up to 18 years in prison."

From the Court's lips to G-d's ear. 17 years 9 mos might be enough for Crusty's poor chirrens to escape her madness.; April 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Anonymous @11:07

d. He's using Crystal Mangum's current murder case as free publicity to help sell his book.; April 14, 2014 at 11:28 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @11:07

e. Cohan somehow understands that Crusty's murder conviction wasn't about her active involvement in the DukeLAX hoax; April 14, 2014 at 11:32 AM
Anonymous said...: I can't find any record to indicate that Crystal Mangum and her attorneys have filed an appeal. Does anyone here know if this has been done?

It was announced in Open Court - that is all that is required to appeal a criminal sentence. The attorney said he was giving Notice of Appeal, the Judge said the appeal was noted, and the Appellate Defender appointed. Yes, it's been appealed - 99.9% of all criminal jury trials that result in conviction are appealed.; April 14, 2014 at 11:32 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Has anyone started a pool on when ol' Crusty will get shanked in prison? Bonus points for predicting your basic prison beat-downs by other inmates, too.

While they're 'sorting it out on appeal' as Bob Steele preferred for the falsely-accused players, of course.; April 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous @ April 14, 2014 at 11:32 AM said...

It was announced in Open Court - that is all that is required to appeal a criminal sentence.

Wrong, numbnuts. Gonna havta dummy up some paperwork sometime.; April 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM
Anonymous said...: It was announced in Open Court - that is all that is required to appeal a criminal sentence.

Wrong, numbnuts. Gonna havta dummy up some paperwork sometime.

You are the same idiot who thinks a Judge has to approve a dismissal, right? Once the appeal is announced in Open Court, the case is on appeal. It's then up to the Clerk to make the appellate entries, and the Appellate Defender orders the Transcript, and once that's done, they put together a Record on Appeal, and the case goes forward.

But, to appeal a case, all that needs to be done is to announce it in open court (if you don't announce it in open court, you file a Notice of Appeal within 14 days). A lot more has to be done to perfect the appeal, and other paperwork, but that announcement "appeals" the case, and you won't find any other notice of appeal in the file, nor is one needed.; April 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Of course, this all presupposes that Duke allows the appeal - would it really surprise our paranoid friend if Duke altered the transcript (and all the videos) and took out the reference to the appeal?; April 14, 2014 at 11:49 AM
Anonymous said...: "A lot more has to be done to perfect the appeal, and other paperwork, but that announcement "appeals" the case"

So all that foofram about the conviction being on appeal is basically a bunch of blather at this point. Thanks for clearing that up.

She remains a convicted murderer.; April 14, 2014 at 12:00 PM
Anonymous said...: "She remains a convicted murderer."

And a convicted endangerer of her own children for setting a fire in a house that her kids were in at the time.

I really don't understand why all the fuss about lil Miss pussy-ass-panties-full-of-cum, do you?; April 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM
Anonymous said...: yes, the case is on appeal. No, she won't win an appeal. Yes, she will serve at least eight years. I'm betting on ten, could be less.
Her grounds for appeal are limited and weak....404, maybe....juror talk, doubtful....
otherwise, not much to appeal. And, no, all the bullhockey nonsense about the autopsy, Duke, Roberts, and the Lord God Jehovah will NOT be grounds for appeal.; April 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

yes, the case is on appeal. No, she won't win an appeal. Yes, she will serve at least eight years. I'm betting on ten, could be less.

If she doesn't win her appeal, why would she serve less than the minimum? We don't have early release/parole - she will serve between 170 - 213 months, unless her appeal is successful or there is some other mechanism that sets aside her conviction. Otherwise, it won't be 8 or 10 years, it will be at least the 170 months.

Or why do you think she could get out earlier?; April 14, 2014 at 12:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Is the Louvre of DNA going to go gay for the stay?; April 14, 2014 at 12:38 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Brewer:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7937222

Thanks for the info about former Person County prosecutor Joel Brewer, however, he was disbarred for criminal conduct... not anything related to his work as a prosecutor. That's much different than Mike Nifong who was disbarred for the performance of his duties as a prosecutor. Brewer allegedly assaulted many females... and, of course, was given only probation. But they tried to put Mike Nifong in prison by attempting to have the Federal Justice Department investigate him.; April 14, 2014 at 1:03 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...
Nifong Supporter said...

You misunderstand. I have been living in Raleigh since November 2005.

No, you misunderstand, Sidney. I wasn't asking where you were geographically during the hoax; rather, were you involved or known during the hoax - if there was any reason why Cohan would want to interview you reading the events of 2006-2007.

Apparently not.

Whatchoo, I know that's (5-8 years before appeal is heard) what you're wishing for, but don't count on it.

5-8 years would be light speed for the legal system in NC.

If I were wishing for something in this situation, it'd be that the appeals fail and she does the full 14.

Whatchoo, I will see to it personally that Crystal doesn't serve anywhere near that time.; April 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Any of the NC ME autopsy reports can be questioned for reliability in any case at this point one would assume, but especially those completed by Dr. Nichols. Indeed, at this point, wouldn't a lawyer be remiss in allowing any case to progress based on any autopsy report, (since he was the lead ME), until the issue with the autopsy reports in this case are resolved since this case alone creates sufficient doubt about the credibity of all NC autopsy reports, and at least specifically any report overseen by Dr. Nichols. There is no way the justice system can continue to ignore the issue without a major legal complaint it would seem.

Dr. Harr, how exactly is the appeal and request for an investigation by Ms. Mangum tracked for progress?

Thank you for your wise comments, of which I agree wholeheartedly. As far as tracking the appeals process, I have no idea how that would be done. To my knowledge, Mangum's appeal attorney has yet to meet with Crystal in person. I offered the attorney my assistance in a phone conversation on March 28, 2014. I have yet to hear from her.; April 14, 2014 at 1:10 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Do you understand the concept of cuius est solum eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos? Evidently not.

For your edification, I did not take Latin during my formal education.; April 14, 2014 at 1:12 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Whatchoo, I will see to it personally that Crystal doesn't serve anywhere near that time."

The same Sidney Harr who declared that the state did not have a case against Crystal and would drop the charges before she went to trial, the same Sidney Harr who said he would humiliate the NC State Bar, the same Sidney Harr who said he would prevail in his frivolous lawsuit against Duke.; April 14, 2014 at 2:27 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

" I offered [Crystal's] attorney my assistance in a phone conversation on March 28, 2014. I have yet to hear from her."

And you are so incredibly stupid and so incredibly conceited you do not understand whay.; April 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"For your edification, I did not take Latin during my formal education."

You could have looked it up on Google, e.g., the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuius_est_solum,_eius_est_usque_ad_coelum_et_ad_inferos will give you the meaning.

Of course it is obvious that you benefitted very little if at all from whatever formal education you might have had.; April 14, 2014 at 2:33 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter said...

Whatchoo, I will see to it personally that Crystal doesn't serve anywhere near that time.

The 5-8, or the min of 14?

As long as Crystal stays on her meds and doesn't get killed in prison, she might not have to do the max.

I offered the attorney my assistance in a phone conversation on March 28, 2014. I have yet to hear from her.

Could have knocked me over with a feather when I read that. Please keep up us apprised as to the progress, especially by posting any filings that Crystal's atty does.; April 14, 2014 at 3:02 PM

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