justice4nifong: Crystal Mangum nearly dies in custody

Monday, April 14, 2014

Crystal Mangum nearly dies in custody

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Nifong Supporter said...: Nifong Supporter said...

Anonymous said...
Brewer:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=7937222

Thanks for the info about former Person County prosecutor Joel Brewer, however, he was disbarred for criminal conduct... not anything related to his work as a prosecutor. That's much different than Mike Nifong who was disbarred for the performance of his duties as a prosecutor. Brewer allegedly assaulted many females... and, of course, was given only probation. But they tried to put Mike Nifong in prison by attempting to have the Federal Justice Department investigate him.; April 14, 2014 at 1:14 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Nifong Supporter said...

Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...
Nifong Supporter said...

You misunderstand. I have been living in Raleigh since November 2005.

No, you misunderstand, Sidney. I wasn't asking where you were geographically during the hoax; rather, were you involved or known during the hoax - if there was any reason why Cohan would want to interview you reading the events of 2006-2007.

Apparently not.

Whatchoo, I know that's (5-8 years before appeal is heard) what you're wishing for, but don't count on it.

5-8 years would be light speed for the legal system in NC.

If I were wishing for something in this situation, it'd be that the appeals fail and she does the full 14.

Whatchoo, I will see to it personally that Crystal doesn't serve anywhere near that time.; April 14, 2014 at 1:15 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Nifong Supporter said...

Anonymous said...
Any of the NC ME autopsy reports can be questioned for reliability in any case at this point one would assume, but especially those completed by Dr. Nichols. Indeed, at this point, wouldn't a lawyer be remiss in allowing any case to progress based on any autopsy report, (since he was the lead ME), until the issue with the autopsy reports in this case are resolved since this case alone creates sufficient doubt about the credibity of all NC autopsy reports, and at least specifically any report overseen by Dr. Nichols. There is no way the justice system can continue to ignore the issue without a major legal complaint it would seem.

Dr. Harr, how exactly is the appeal and request for an investigation by Ms. Mangum tracked for progress?

Thank you for your wise comments, of which I agree wholeheartedly. As far as tracking the appeals process, I have no idea how that would be done. To my knowledge, Mangum's appeal attorney has yet to meet with Crystal in person. I offered the attorney my assistance in a phone conversation on March 28, 2014. I have yet to hear from her.; April 14, 2014 at 1:16 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Nifong Supporter said...

Anonymous said...

SIDNEY HARR:

Do you understand the concept of cuius est solum eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos? Evidently not.

For your edification, I did not take Latin during my formal education.; April 14, 2014 at 1:17 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
In Duke / Durham - since Duke has so much money and provides so many lawyers, doctors, politicians, nurses, leaders, wall street stock brokers, journalists, etc., etc., - by their very nature of who and what they are - the justice system should be more situated to assist those who must face the challenges placed upon them due to the undue influence that Duke has on their life, health, society, legal system, justice system, governmental lobbying and legislative influence backed by unlimited money, etc., etc., etc., - not less (as in having to rely on people with no legal degrees or experience to assist in their defense instead of competent non-conflicted, non-corrupted lawyers in a competent non-conflicted, non-corrupt justice system).

What Duke / Durham has and is now is still as big a joke as everyone has been laughing and arguing about since the lacrosse case, as proven by this case so far.

The fact that the malpractice and autopsy reports were not handled professionally from the start by the DA, judges, duke, the MEs, and the lawyers proves that there exists the very real possibility of people believing Duke would kill Mr. Daye to frame Ms. Mangum for murder, and Duke thinking its chances were better - as always - in chaos, nontruth, confusion, divisiness, and continued harm and threat of harm to many or any.

That is not justice - and neither Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, or anyone else has to stand for it.

It is always refreshing to see enlightened comments. Thank you.; April 14, 2014 at 1:21 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
In 5 1/2 years, Crystal's memoir racked up 11 one star reviews on Amazon. In less than a couple weeks William Cohan's book has racked up 22 one star reviews.

An indication of the quality of the book which Sidney says sheds new light on the Lacrosse case.

You must consider the reviewer before giving credence to the review. Obviously thanks to mainstream media demonization of Nifong, there are many haters out there who are ready, willing, and able to trash any book or person that is supportive of the former Durham D.A.; April 14, 2014 at 1:27 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Have you been able to find time to read the new book yet? I'm curious how Mr. Cohan referred to Ms. Mangum. Did he refer to her as a convicted murderer? I personally think that would be the most telling fact in the book to determine the book's ability to accurately recount the details of the case. Thank you for answering about this aspect of that book if you can.

I have not had the opportunity to read the book, but am anxious to do so. However, there's been movement recently on my lawsuit against Duke University so the bulk of my time since the book's publication has been devoted to preparing for it.; April 14, 2014 at 1:29 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...

yes, the case is on appeal. No, she won't win an appeal. Yes, she will serve at least eight years. I'm betting on ten, could be less.

If she doesn't win her appeal, why would she serve less than the minimum? We don't have early release/parole - she will serve between 170 - 213 months, unless her appeal is successful or there is some other mechanism that sets aside her conviction. Otherwise, it won't be 8 or 10 years, it will be at least the 170 months.

Or why do you think she could get out earlier?

Crystal will not serve anywhere near eight years. I am hoping to get her freed and her conviction overturned within a month's time.; April 14, 2014 at 1:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Crystal will not serve anywhere near eight years. I am hoping to get her freed and her conviction overturned within a month's time.

How? Your brilliant arguments on April 23? Your lawsuit is gonna get tossed (if that is what the hearing is for), at a minimum, you aren't getting anything you requested, the Judge doesn't have jurisdiction to order the investigation you want.; April 14, 2014 at 1:40 PM
Walt said...: Again, Sid was/is being unreasonable. He does not cite any law to give the adverse side a reason to grant his request or even compromise in the least. On to the hearing where, I predict, he will lose on 12(b)(6) and he might very well be subjected to a no file order. I will further predict a vicious personal attack on the magistrate for stating the law correctly.

Sid and Duke somewhat deserve each other, but no one else should have to endure their circus, including the Magistrates and Judges Sid impugns without reason or justification.

Sid wrote: "Crystal will not serve anywhere near eight years. I am hoping to get her freed and her conviction overturned within a month's time."

Not with any of the arguments you have advanced.

Walt-in-Durham; April 14, 2014 at 1:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Walt ...

Let us know if you post the documents on your website again.; April 14, 2014 at 2:01 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"That's much different than Mike Nifong who was disbarred for the performance of his duties as a prosecutor."

Another lie for which you get credit. DA Nifong was disbarred because he was one of the most corrupt prosecutors in US history, because he charged knowingly innocent men with a crime which never happened.

I ask again, and you will probably dodge again, What evidence was there that a crime was committed? Crystal's allegations and her unreliable identifications are evidence only that Crystal was lying.; April 14, 2014 at 2:37 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"It is always refreshing to see enlightened comments. Thank you."

You again show how incredibly stupid and deluded you are.; April 14, 2014 at 2:38 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Whatchoo, I will see to it personally that Crystal doesn't serve anywhere near that time."

Weren't you, at one time, saying Crystal would never go to trial?; April 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"As far as tracking the appeals process, I have no idea how that would be done."

But you state that you will see to it that Crystal does not serve out her sentence. And you think you are credible?; April 14, 2014 at 2:40 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"You must consider the reviewer before giving credence to the review. Obviously thanks to mainstream media demonization of Nifong, there are many haters out there who are ready, willing, and able to trash any book or person that is supportive of the former Durham D.A."

You again show how incredibly stupid, uninformed and delusional you are.; April 14, 2014 at 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Your update on your frivolous lawsuit against Duke shows yet again how incredibly stupid and delusional you are.; April 14, 2014 at 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney, quite canny of you to combine your bogus beef against Duke with the bogus autopsy beef in re: Crystal 'Norman Bates' Mangum.

I'm sure that the attorneys involved, nor the judges, know quite how to deal with you.

Given that turning the firehoses on you would be somewhat frowned upon these days, perhaps they should just taze the bejeesus out of you.; April 14, 2014 at 3:29 PM
Anonymous said...: Thank you Dr. Harr for your updates. I am glad Ms. Mangum was able to receive treatment and is recovering, as are many I'm sure. Good luck on your upcoming negotiations with Duke, et. al.. I will have to study your legal documents in more depth to understand better that case.

Is it up to Duke to be able to direct whether an investigation into the autopsy reports is done or not? Do you think Ms. Mangum will have to wait until another trial from the appeal to request the investigation again directly to a judge, or will she have to file separate motions to request a judge to order the investigation by the state?

It is incredible that the justice system, especially the AG, continues to play their duke driven games to this day with no relief from the corruption for all NC citizens what-so-ever, even though one would assume that this situation had improved since the lacrosse cas, but apparently that is not so.

Do all states operate this way, or only NC when Duke is involved?; April 14, 2014 at 3:32 PM
Anonymous said...: "Crystal Mangum nearly dies in custody"

Sidney, you admitted that you were unable to get the details of Crystal's new problem, so how can you suggest that she 'nearly died'?

Perhaps the docs should have resorted to Crystal's tried-and-true preferred method - insertion of a non-lacrosse penis in her ass.; April 14, 2014 at 3:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Wonder if that bowel obstruction was caused by like, wooden pieces? Like, a broomstick?; April 14, 2014 at 3:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Is it up to Duke to be able to direct whether an investigation into the autopsy reports is done or not? Do you think Ms. Mangum will have to wait until another trial from the appeal to request the investigation again directly to a judge, or will she have to file separate motions to request a judge to order the investigation by the state?

You either intentionally ignore what people post, or you can't read. Duke has NOTHING to do with the autopsy, as has been noted repeatedly. And, the Defense expert agreed with the conclusions of the autopsy (even though noting problems). What more do you expect an investigation to show? Everyone who looks at it says he died from complications from the stab wound. As far as the use of the autopsy, that's all it needs.; April 14, 2014 at 4:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Your comments fit in better at the nonwonderland blog website troll. It would be helpful to all if you posted there instead of here when you feel the need to vent your obvious extreme hatred of Ms. Mangum. You would be doing that blog a great service, since they don't quite understand what Mr. Cohan was referring to when he mentioned all the haters in some of his recent comments documented on that blog.

OK, so that's settled - haters of Ms. Mangum post on the nonwonderland site where they are needed to provide enlightenment there - all others - carry on.; April 14, 2014 at 4:27 PM
Anonymous said...: It's not hatred of Mangum, it's hatred of paranoid delusional idiots. Sidney Harr has done more harm to Crystal than Duke ever has/will, and you blind sheep keep following him and refusing to look at evidence. It's sad, really, but hey, if you have fun, great.; April 14, 2014 at 4:56 PM
Anonymous said...: There doesn't appear to be anyone else assisting her with her case so your comment is baseless ... and certainly since this fact is quite obvious ... distorted at best.; April 14, 2014 at 5:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Certainly the folks at the nonwonderland blog site will be glad that you choose to share your hate filled comments there for their continued enlightenment instead of here. Perhaps the confusion will diminish for all concerned if you do that for a while and provide some relief on this blog from your hatred of what appears by your own anyalysis of your hatred to be hatred of mental illness instead, (is that it?).; April 14, 2014 at 5:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr:

Would that be considered child endangerment if a parent who duke had issues with took their child (or was taken) to duke for medical services in light of this current case?

Like Ms Mangum now, would it be considered child endangerment if one of her children were taken to duke for medical services - say - if they cut themselves with a knife chopping an onion or something - since they may become dukes victim if duke wanted to try to pin child abuse or murder charges on Ms. Mangum or her children's caretakers as well?; April 14, 2014 at 6:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Just don't call yourself insane for reposting an old post that is not yours this time g ... in any case, since you are seriously being a very evil duke troll hailing from the nonwonderland blog website in your own major bs hate driven ways with an agenda of causing others harm here and elsewhere with your hate-filled agendas. Thanks.; April 14, 2014 at 6:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Would that be considered child endangerment if a parent left their underage children to go off drinking and stripping?; April 14, 2014 at 7:25 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 14, 2014 at 3:39 PM said...

Wonder if that bowel obstruction was caused by like, wooden pieces? Like, a broomstick?

It took Crusty >7 years to make the claim of wooden pieces & having a broomstick shoved up her ass, so we may have to wait to find out.

Alternately, we may soon hear a claim that the alleged "bowel obstruction" is a complication from her late-breaking-heretofore-unreported broomstick adventures.; April 15, 2014 at 5:08 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 14, 2014 at 7:25 PM said...

Would that be considered child endangerment if a parent left their underage children to go off drinking and stripping?

Yes, but not if you're heading off for sexual activity of a pecuniary nature.; April 15, 2014 at 5:11 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter:

"Crystal Mangum nearly dies in custody"

Sidney, have any media outlets picked up the story?; April 15, 2014 at 5:13 AM
Anonymous said...: There doesn't appear to be anyone else assisting her with her case so your comment is baseless ... and certainly since this fact is quite obvious ... distorted at best.

That's because the people actually trying to help her know that broadcasting everything publicly is actually very harmful to their client (and proves Sid wants to hurt, not help, Mangum), so they don't tell the world what they are doing. As has been noted - her case is on appeal, and she has an appellate defender working on her case.

There is no magic formula or argument that will get her out while going outside the legal process (which Sid wants to do), and his repeated proclamations and letters and the rest actually harm that process. The people who care about Mangum and want to help her are quietly working on her case.

Those who want to see her appeal fail and see her harmed are posting on this blog claiming to be her friends.; April 15, 2014 at 5:31 AM
Anonymous said...: There is nothing newsworthy about the fact that Mangum apparently reported a story to Bro that she apparently had an issue with her bowels. Not ONE WORD of her version of events has been verified by a third party...nor should it be. Once again Harr violates HIPPA and devulges confidential medical information that may...or may NOT....be remotely accurate.
So much bull from a pathetic old racist....; April 15, 2014 at 7:04 AM
Anonymous said...: KC's on a rampage again - can't stand that anyone has a different perspective than him - like that Ms. Mangum's case is on appeal and perhaps he could actually mention that when he refers to her as a convicted killer in his on-line blogs, etc., especially when conversing as someone who professes to have all the accurate and factuals details about the Lacrosse Case in reference to her.

His hatred for her is all too apparent, and makes all his other professed accurate and factual details suspect to the same disregard when it involves Ms. Mangum. Since the entire Lacrosse Case stemmed from Ms. Mangum's time at Duke that ill fated night in 2006, his entire documentation of the case must surely be based on and contain many inaccuracies and prejudices as well based on this hate he cannot hide. Too bad he can't see that for himself, since he will surely continue to hate and cause harm like he does and has.

Like when you troll me again on this blog KC, you and your hate driven minions have far exceeded your welcome, and I'm sure I'm not the first, nor will be the last to tell you that.

blah to KC; April 15, 2014 at 1:41 PM
guiowen said...: To the 1:41,
You're wrong, you know.; April 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM
Anonymous said...: prove it; April 15, 2014 at 2:04 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 15, 2014 at 1:41 PM said...

and perhaps he could actually mention that [rumored appeal] when he refers to her as a convicted killer...

Like orange is the new black, isn't everyone in prison innocent? And their case is 'on appeal?

What possible significance does her case being nominally on appeal have, anyway? Hearing set, Sidney all ready to present arguments, etc?

Mangum's time at Duke that ill-fated night in 2006, his entire documentation of the case must surely be based on and contain many inaccuracies...

"at Duke"? The party? Or are you referring to DUMC? Either way, what inaccuracies are you suggesting? Ones that weren't in Crusty's favour? DUMC, in the person of one Theresa Arico, actively supported Crusty's case.

Too bad Levicy isn't still around with the whiteout to magically 'document' her recent claim of "it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces".

Maybe Levicy just forgot to write that down?; April 15, 2014 at 2:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Anon @ 1:14

This KC guy hasn't mentioned the appeal?

Has he at least acknowledged that Crystal had trouble pooping the other night?

And what harm are you referring to? Hurt feewings? Embawwasment?; April 15, 2014 at 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...: naw man, KC and his group push the hate to everyone - no one is free from it unless they agree with him and his agendas; April 15, 2014 at 2:41 PM
Anonymous said...: "it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces"

Eeeeewww, gross. Did she at least push that skin all back up in there before returning to the stripper pole a bit later? Or was she able to charge extra for that, skin like, coming out of like, her vagina and anus (rectum). Eeeeewww.; April 15, 2014 at 2:48 PM
Anonymous said...: why don't you copy and paste that over to KC's blog site so they can get an example of the hate they drive; April 15, 2014 at 2:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Hate?; April 15, 2014 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Anon 2:59

Isn't everyone already aware that Crystal returned to the strip clubs just days after forgetting where she'd left her kids, thus forcing Kim to stop at Kroger?; April 15, 2014 at 3:05 PM
Anonymous said...: Point of order:

Calling Crystal a drug-and-alcohol-addled-lying-child endangering-murdering-prostitute isn't hateful.

It's just a job description.

As you were.; April 15, 2014 at 3:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr, you're following HIPPA laws in regards to medical matters on this website is something you seriously need to consider respecting. I understand why you posted the autopsy and medical records of the deceased Mr. Daye since NOONE in the justice system is doing their jobs on that matter and Ms. Mangum was being falsly accussed of murdering him since Duke killed him and you needed to prove that in your complaints to assist her in her defense. Other than that though, for that one case, not following HIPPA laws obviously causes harm.; April 15, 2014 at 3:09 PM
Anonymous said...: well if you want to rack up some more proof for the hate i speak of on this blog it would be nothing new since you do it EVERY day practically and will not stop even though many have asked you to evil duke troll(s)

seriously go over and paste it to KC's blog so they will finally understand what everyone is trying to tell them; April 15, 2014 at 3:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Anon 3:09

Are you suggesting that Dr Harr did not have Crystal's permission to publish her poop scoop?

While we're at it, why hasn't Crystal released her medical records?; April 15, 2014 at 3:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Hate? Here? On this blog?

Give an example of something hateful.; April 15, 2014 at 3:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous @ 3:09 PM said...

"evil duke troll"

Has anyone else noticed how Harr's animus for Duke regarding Crystal's murder victim Daye's medical treatment, and perhaps his own kerfuffle with them, has somehow morphed into a 'Duke must have done something to screw (so to speak) Crystal in the lacrosse hoax' meme?

Curious.; April 15, 2014 at 3:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Duke must have done something to screw Crystal...

Was Brodhead one of Kenny's "mystery rapists" he hasn't named?; April 15, 2014 at 3:27 PM
Anonymous said...: haters from KC's blog group: aka: the evil duke troll gang

prime example of the hate currently showing their prowness at the games as we speak

blah; April 15, 2014 at 3:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Haters? Where?; April 15, 2014 at 3:36 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey -- come on over....I'll show you my prowness.; April 15, 2014 at 3:40 PM
Sandfred said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 15, 2014 at 3:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous @3:27:

I don't understand how KC's blog group is the evil Duke troll gang.

KC has been extremely critical of Duke. He has sharply criticized Duke's administration, faculty, trustees and hospital.

Why are his acolytes Duke supporters? Are you sure you aren't confused?; April 15, 2014 at 3:46 PM
guiowen said...: To the 3:27,
You're wrong, you know.; April 15, 2014 at 3:49 PM
Anonymous said...: you tell me - g ... hails from there

why don't you ask the haters yourself all your stupid questions?

blah; April 15, 2014 at 3:50 PM
guiowen said...: To the 3:50,
Mind your temper, please.; April 15, 2014 at 4:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Not that anyone every took this website that seriously, but does anyone still actually think this website is anything but a joke, and 99.999% of the posters are just on here for kicks? (Maybe Sid, but I'm fairly sure he realizes this is all a big joke.); April 15, 2014 at 4:17 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Getting back to the title of this thread, that Crystal nearly died in prison:

North Carolina Correctional Institution for Women

County: Wake
Inmate capacity: 1288
Inmate gender: Female
Custody level: Close/Medium/Minimum
Staff size: 826
Year opened: 1938

1.9.3.8. Damn, sounds like some real Shawshank stuff.

I notice that they have a Culinary Arts program. Presumably Crystal is forbidden from attending that course?

Upside is that it's too far from Durham for her to be taken to Duke Med for further treatment. Or would they even agree to treat her?; April 15, 2014 at 4:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Whatchoo at 4:18:

The NC DPS has Crystal listed as:

"Current Status: FELON"

No mention of 'under appeal'.; April 15, 2014 at 5:17 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Sid -- I recall NCCIW getting a new medical facility (some time in 2011? -- my recollection is vague on this, and to be honest, it wasn't something I bothered to keep up with).

I also recall that there were issues with that facility passing inspection.

The overall quality of care at that facility (rather than as it pertains to CGM only) might actually be something that someone with both your medical background and free time should look into.; April 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr,

Why would you want AG Cooper to become the governor, yet you have labeled him Super Duper Cooper? Just because he is a democrat? Why can't there be more than one democratic interested person in the future elections to select from? I am disappointed in his inability to investigate this case from the very start.

I have suffered the pain of all the abuse I've witnessed and been made to endure in order just to ask you, a de facto lawyer trying to assist in this case in your own ways, about the malpractice issues from what little I read about this case in the papers that led me here to find out more about that a little over a year ago.

If AG Cooper and the Durham DA and Duke had done their jobs professionally and responsibly, and at the very least, immediately, to insure that all NC citizens are able to depend on a non-corrupt medical examiner and basic non-malpractice, (or at least responsibility professionally and honestly taken for any malpractice), then it would have prevented my witnessing here and on KC's blog what I have about this case and the lacrosse case, as well as the harm caused by the need to possibly have to go back and reexamine 400 plus autopsy reports to insure the credibility and reliability of autopsy reports for all NC citizens, Ms. Mangums' incarceration and victimization, and all the other harm caused by the failure of Duke and the justice system to perform their duties professionally without conflict and unreasonable harm.

The fact that KC's evil duke troll gang made / makes trying to figure out what the heck is going on in order just to get assured of professional and safe medical services due to the malpractice issues feels like a hate crime since it probably is with all the abuse I've witnessed and been made a part of by just being more open minded, community aware and concerned for the welfare of others, posting here and on KC's blog with questions not aligned to their agendas, and whatever else these haters choose to hate.

Anyway, your case is interesting from what I've seen of it in the sharlog. I hope it works.; April 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM
Anonymous said...: I think Lance is right, Bro. why don't you annoint yourself the guardian and standard-bearer for medical care for felons?; April 16, 2014 at 6:00 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Whatchoo, I will see to it personally that Crystal doesn't serve anywhere near that time."

Weren't you, at one time, saying Crystal would never go to trial?

Yes, I did predict that... but I was in error in giving the State too much credit for having reason and logic, underestimating the vitriol in the State's vendetta against Mangum, and the ability to find a turncoat attorney to blatantly sail his client down the river.; April 16, 2014 at 7:33 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sidney, quite canny of you to combine your bogus beef against Duke with the bogus autopsy beef in re: Crystal 'Norman Bates' Mangum.

I'm sure that the attorneys involved, nor the judges, know quite how to deal with you.

Given that turning the firehoses on you would be somewhat frowned upon these days, perhaps they should just taze the bejeesus out of you.

Given a choice between the two, I would prefer the firehose. I am unaware of anyone dying from that.

The reason the judges and attorneys don't know how to deal with me is because I am different from Mangum's other counsel... I am actually concerned for her welfare and put her priority ahead of protecting Duke University Hospital.

It's that simple.; April 16, 2014 at 7:38 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Thank you Dr. Harr for your updates. I am glad Ms. Mangum was able to receive treatment and is recovering, as are many I'm sure. Good luck on your upcoming negotiations with Duke, et. al.. I will have to study your legal documents in more depth to understand better that case.

Is it up to Duke to be able to direct whether an investigation into the autopsy reports is done or not? Do you think Ms. Mangum will have to wait until another trial from the appeal to request the investigation again directly to a judge, or will she have to file separate motions to request a judge to order the investigation by the state?

It is incredible that the justice system, especially the AG, continues to play their duke driven games to this day with no relief from the corruption for all NC citizens what-so-ever, even though one would assume that this situation had improved since the lacrosse cas, but apparently that is not so.

Do all states operate this way, or only NC when Duke is involved?

Thanks for the good wishes.

I don't know if Duke can force the State to investigate, but I doubt that it would as the findings would be adverse to its hospital.

It is my hope that Mangum's appeals attorney will immediately file relief with the court to have the conviction overturned. I believe grounds already exist due in essence to the fraudulence of the autopsy report.; April 16, 2014 at 7:44 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr, you're following HIPPA laws in regards to medical matters on this website is something you seriously need to consider respecting. I understand why you posted the autopsy and medical records of the deceased Mr. Daye since NOONE in the justice system is doing their jobs on that matter and Ms. Mangum was being falsly accussed of murdering him since Duke killed him and you needed to prove that in your complaints to assist her in her defense. Other than that though, for that one case, not following HIPPA laws obviously causes harm.

Thank you for your concerns. You are correct in my motivation, and I do respect privacy with regards to medical issues. However, Crystal is in a dangerous environment and the media has been extremely bias and unfair in shielding the mistreatment she has received. I feel it is best that everything be exposed to the light whenever possible regarding Mangum.; April 16, 2014 at 7:51 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
There doesn't appear to be anyone else assisting her with her case so your comment is baseless ... and certainly since this fact is quite obvious ... distorted at best.

That's because the people actually trying to help her know that broadcasting everything publicly is actually very harmful to their client (and proves Sid wants to hurt, not help, Mangum), so they don't tell the world what they are doing. As has been noted - her case is on appeal, and she has an appellate defender working on her case.

There is no magic formula or argument that will get her out while going outside the legal process (which Sid wants to do), and his repeated proclamations and letters and the rest actually harm that process. The people who care about Mangum and want to help her are quietly working on her case.

Those who want to see her appeal fail and see her harmed are posting on this blog claiming to be her friends.

I am not the one who pressured Mangum into not allowing the Roberts report into the trial. I am not the one who withheld the Roberts report from Mangum until the third day into trial. I am not the one who cross examined Dr. Nichols for only ten minutes with soft fuzzy questions.

Mangum's attorneys kept the jurors from knowing the truth and the mainstream media is keeping the people from knowing the truth.

My course is one of enlightenment.; April 16, 2014 at 7:59 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr,

Why would you want AG Cooper to become the governor, yet you have labeled him Super Duper Cooper? Just because he is a democrat? Why can't there be more than one democratic interested person in the future elections to select from? I am disappointed in his inability to investigate this case from the very start.

I have suffered the pain of all the abuse I've witnessed and been made to endure in order just to ask you, a de facto lawyer trying to assist in this case in your own ways, about the malpractice issues from what little I read about this case in the papers that led me here to find out more about that a little over a year ago.

If AG Cooper and the Durham DA and Duke had done their jobs professionally and responsibly, and at the very least, immediately, to insure that all NC citizens are able to depend on a non-corrupt medical examiner and basic non-malpractice, (or at least responsibility professionally and honestly taken for any malpractice), then it would have prevented my witnessing here and on KC's blog what I have about this case and the lacrosse case, as well as the harm caused by the need to possibly have to go back and reexamine 400 plus autopsy reports to insure the credibility and reliability of autopsy reports for all NC citizens, Ms. Mangums' incarceration and victimization, and all the other harm caused by the failure of Duke and the justice system to perform their duties professionally without conflict and unreasonable harm.

The fact that KC's evil duke troll gang made / makes trying to figure out what the heck is going on in order just to get assured of professional and safe medical services due to the malpractice issues feels like a hate crime since it probably is with all the abuse I've witnessed and been made a part of by just being more open minded, community aware and concerned for the welfare of others, posting here and on KC's blog with questions not aligned to their agendas, and whatever else these haters choose to hate.

Anyway, your case is interesting from what I've seen of it in the sharlog. I hope it works.

Thank you for your support.

Yes, I would support Roy Cooper for governor because I believe that anyone else in the position of attorney general at the time of the Duke Lacrosse case would have acted the same, if not worse, as Cooper. It was all too political.

As far as governor, I believe he would govern much more fairly than our previous governors... I like his aggressiveness in protecting the consumer, fighting utility companies from raising rates, and his going after payday lenders. I also believe we share similar views on social issues, gay rights and other issues.

Personally, Roy Cooper seems like a nice, humble individual, and I put him in my comic strip in a good natured way... as I am also big on self-deprecating humor. But I don't intend to be malicious with him or others who have been in my comic strip.

Yes, I am disappointed in how he treated Mike Nifong, and I believe that his office's refusal to investigate the Nichols autopsy report is an outrage. But I would do my best to see that he is successful in 2016.; April 16, 2014 at 8:09 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid:

After all was said and done, the Roberts report concluded that Daye died as a consequence of the stab wound inflicted by Mangum. That conclusion was incredibly damaging to Mangum's defense. Why would anyone w/ Mangum's interests at heart want that admitted into evidence?; April 16, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...: If AG Cooper does not take care of these issues I think he should be brought to task for his lack of leadership in insuring Duke provides its consumers with a non-hostile environment in which to live and visit in NC without threat of medical malpractice and all the other crap duke dishes because they think they can 'get away with it' or they have agendas not in-line with the consumers well-being. That has to stop immediately before even one more person's health is negatively targeted and affected by their inability to provide fair and reasonable services to all. If AG Cooper protects consumer rights, not protecting consumers from Duke's harm allows them to continue the harm unhindered to anyone and everyone. The fact that this case was not investigated immediately by the justice system is a clear indication that this protection for the consumer, (at the very least), is not being done, not to mention the harm it does to the justice system itself. That is not acceptable to most is a fair assumption.; April 16, 2014 at 10:24 AM
Anonymous said...: "Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"Whatchoo, I will see to it personally that Crystal doesn't serve anywhere near that time."

Weren't you, at one time, saying Crystal would never go to trial?

Yes, I did predict that... but I was in error in giving the State too much credit for having reason and logic, underestimating the vitriol in the State's vendetta against Mangum, and the ability to find a turncoat attorney to blatantly sail his client down the river."

You again show how incredibly stupid and delusional you are. You actually credited yourself for having the power to dictate the outcome to the state.; April 16, 2014 at 10:24 AM
Anonymous said...: "The reason the judges and attorneys don't know how to deal with me is because I am different from Mangum's other counsel... I am actually concerned for her welfare and put her priority ahead of protecting Duke University Hospital."

You again show how incredibly stupid and delusional you are.; April 16, 2014 at 10:27 AM
Anonymous said...: " I believe grounds already exist due in essence to the fraudulence of the autopsy report."

You also believed the State would dismiss all charges against Crystal. Did they?; April 16, 2014 at 10:30 AM
Anonymous said...: "My course is one of enlightenment."

Once again you show how incredibly stupid and deluded you are.; April 16, 2014 at 10:31 AM
Anonymous said...: I think all these pro Sidney Harr comments are coming from Sidney Harr, himself, posting anonymously.; April 16, 2014 at 10:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Truth is....an attention-seeking old man, with nothing but failure in his life, trying to extort money out of others by filing nuisance law suits, and spending his time insinuating himself into a convicted murderess's mind......is all that Harr is. Nothing more. The more attention he gets, the more he pimps himself.; April 16, 2014 at 10:42 AM
Anonymous said...: my evil duke troll shadow is BACK!

hey

repeat this: blah

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blah

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blah

,,,; April 16, 2014 at 6:25 PM
guiowen said...: To the 6:25,
Can't you mind your manners?; April 16, 2014 at 6:43 PM
Anonymous said...: g ... i've already told you to stop copy and pasting posts that aren't even yours and then sitting there and trolling what you just posted.

seriously

get over yourself

troll doesn't even describe what you do any more g ... since you are seriously evil

DO NOT TROLL ME IN ANY WAY AT ALL AGAIN

thanks; April 16, 2014 at 7:56 PM
guiowen said...: To the 7:56,
Please mind your manners and control your temper.; April 16, 2014 at 8:06 PM
Anonymous said...: what the frack g ...

what is your problem?; April 16, 2014 at 8:26 PM
guiowen said...: to the 8:26,
Sidney is trying to maintain a nice web site. People like you spoil it. Sidney is too polite to mention this, but you're making him suffer.; April 16, 2014 at 8:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Guiowen, love your posts......hilarious. "a nice web site". too funny; April 17, 2014 at 4:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Still no word about what caused the bowel obstruction? Like, wooden pieces? Like, a broomstick?; April 17, 2014 at 7:32 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter @ April 16, 2014 at 8:09 AM said...

"...and I believe that [Cooper's] office's refusal to investigate the Nichols autopsy report is an outrage."

So it's official, Sidney? The AG's office has actually refused your request to "investigate the Nichols autopsy report"?

You do realize that problems with the autopsy report are not going to be grounds for appeal, don't you? Daye was in the hospital because of Crystal's admitted stabbing - by law that makes her guilty.; April 17, 2014 at 7:37 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Sid:

After all was said and done, the Roberts report concluded that Daye died as a consequence of the stab wound inflicted by Mangum. That conclusion was incredibly damaging to Mangum's defense. Why would anyone w/ Mangum's interests at heart want that admitted into evidence?

Roberts knows very well that Daye's death had nothing to do with the stab wound... other than bringing him to the hospital. The intervening, direct, and proximate cause of Daye's brain death and subsequent death was the esophageal intubation.

Dr. Roberts is nothing more than another co-conspirator against Mangum.; April 17, 2014 at 8:51 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
" I believe grounds already exist due in essence to the fraudulence of the autopsy report."

You also believed the State would dismiss all charges against Crystal. Did they?

No, they did not... but the State, in going after Mangum, is extremely vindictive and stubborn. I credited the State with being more sensible.; April 17, 2014 at 8:54 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
I think all these pro Sidney Harr comments are coming from Sidney Harr, himself, posting anonymously.

Wrong-O. That's not my style.; April 17, 2014 at 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Whereas people at Duke are quoted to have lamented that the lacrosse players would not just tell the police about what really happened at the party to avoid whatever, there is no visible similar lamentations seen from Duke that the Medical Examiner that effects numerous cases throughout the state would not just tell the police what really happened to Mr. Daye at Duke to cause his death ... go figure.; April 17, 2014 at 9:13 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter @ April 17, 2014 at 8:51 AM said...

...Daye's death had nothing to do with the stab wound... other than bringing him to the hospital.

And that's all it takes, Sidney.; April 17, 2014 at 9:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Sid said:

"Dr. Roberts is nothing more than another co-conspirator against Mangum."

So, again, why would anyone who is supportive of Mangum want Roberts' report (which concluded that Daye died as a result of the knife wound inflicted by Mangum)admitted into evidence? Whether or not Roberts is a co-conspirator, her report was incredibly damaging to Mangum's defense. Any defense attorney would fight like hell to keep it out of court (and keep it from ever being printed, if he could).; April 17, 2014 at 9:32 AM
Anonymous said...: You are so transparent as to your agenda of harming Ms. Mangum, it amazes that you actually think anyone would agree with you.

Of course Dr. Roberts report is necessary to the defense, since it already is. Just gotta get Duke to admit the obvious medical logic of intubation errors, brain death, and removal from life support causing the death of Mr. Daye now. It will be something to watch them try to say there is any other logic to his death than what is obvious to most without a medical degree. I wonder if their other professional peers will be amazed at Duke's games, or simply ignore the obvious as well.; April 17, 2014 at 9:52 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Daye was in the hospital because of Crystal's admitted stabbing - by law that makes her guilty" ..........Firstly you interpret the Welch Ruling far too broadly. Secondly Crystal's admission that she stabbed Daye, was that she did so in self defence and, if so, by law, that would make her not guilty. Thirdly, if the cause of Daye's death was not homicide but medical error, which was covered up and which was totally unrelated to any treatment for that stab wound, it would mean a wrongful charge of murder was laid. The jury got it all wrong. An ineffective defence allowed the prosecution to convince them of the fantastical theory that a murderous Crystal pursued a frightened and fleeing Daye and mortally wounded him while totally ignoring, drunken and enraged, Daye's preceding actions. It's as if Daye, suddenly, calmed himself down and soberly assessing the situation that he has angered Crystal by kicking in the bathroom door and dragging her out by the hair decided she was now a danger to him and he, poor boy, had to flee, for his life, her wrath. Let's get real. When an obvious miscarriage of justice has occurred, especially if you can show how inadequate the defence was. Then the, in place, rules about grounds for appeal, have to be interpreted as broadly as possible, for the sake of justice. Not to do so gives even more reason that the public holds the Law Profession is held in such low regard.; April 17, 2014 at 9:58 AM
Anonymous said...: Secondly Crystal's admission that she stabbed Daye, was that she did so in self defence and, if so, by law, that would make her not guilty.

Except the Jury heard all the arguments for self-defense, and didn't believe it.; April 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal -- Did you stick something up Crystal's @ss to cause this most recent medical emergency?

Shame on you!; April 17, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ April 17, 2014 at 9:58 AM said...

If...

If...

If...

If...

Or, if Crusty, the Louvre of DNA, wasn't such a lying drug-addled cray cray prostitute who's been enabled by all her 'friends' in Durham for decades, she might not have murdered a man and therefore now be incarcerated for a minimum of 14 years.

The Crusty fans seemed to have no problem in 2006 with the Steele-ian 'let it get sorted out on appeal', or the Chan Hall-esque payback 'for things that happened in the past'. Why should the murder committed by Crusty be any different?; April 17, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...: Let's get real. When an obvious miscarriage of justice has occurred, especially if you can show how inadequate the defence was

It's been asked before, and you don't answer - on the self-defense issue, other than the fact the Jury didn't believe it, what did the attorney do that was "inadequate"? The entire story was laid out before the jury - they heard Daye's version, they heard Crystal's version.

What else would you have done on the self-defense that wasn't done?

Remember, Daye's prior "record" (Assault charges from years ago) was/is totally inadmissible, and Crystal herself testified, under oath, that Daye had never threatened her, raised a hand to her, or anything else (directly contradicting the neighbor), so her new claims that he had sent her to the hospital earlier weren't brought up, because she chose not to bring them up.

What would you have presented differently on self-defense? That some mystery person came in there and stabbed him?; April 17, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...: It was kenhyderal -- in the bathroom, with a broomstick!; April 17, 2014 at 10:25 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
We've all heard your arguments several times. No one whose opinion matters believes you.; April 17, 2014 at 10:28 AM
Anonymous said...: This is just an observation:

Reading the news earlier today as always, I noticed that there were no Duke articles on the on-line front page News and Observer as there typically are every day without fail. (I thought briefly to check the sports sections headlines, but they're always mentioned there, so skipped that section of my curious review as to why no mention of Duke in that edition of on-line N and O news). Then I check back as I sometimes do to continue with news reviews and yup - there it is - front page Duke sports news as headline attraction.; April 17, 2014 at 10:46 AM
Anonymous said...: OMG - Duke is so powerful ... the local paper actually reports, frequently, about the local University, and puts news about one of their best players leaving for the NBA on the front page.

Damn, it really is a friggin conspiracy!; April 17, 2014 at 10:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Only when you realize that it is a local newspaper and that there are at least seven or more major colleges and universities in the local area who are not news mongers like Duke is do you even begin to grasp how ill informed you are.; April 17, 2014 at 11:14 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: from the Durham website, here are the colleges and universities in Durham:

a) Apex School of Theology
b) Duke University
c) Durham Technical Community College
d) ITT Technical Institutes
e) Mount Zion Christian Academy
f) New Horizons Computer Learning Center
g) North Carolina Central University
h) Pinnacle Culinary Arts Institute
i) The Art Institute of Raleigh-Durham
j) University of Mount Olive
k) Watts School of Nursing

Which of these, in your estimation, should be considered "major colleges and universities"?; April 17, 2014 at 11:40 AM
Anonymous said...: Ermahgerd, Ermahgerd, Ermahgerd!!!

Durk playr derklars fur darft!!

Ermahgerd!; April 17, 2014 at 11:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Only when you realize that it is a local newspaper and that there are at least seven or more major colleges and universities in the local area who are not news mongers like Duke is do you even begin to grasp how ill informed you are.

Carolina and State are in the news as much as Duke. You need to cut bigger eyeholes in your tinfoil hat, apparently you can't read.; April 17, 2014 at 11:51 AM
Anonymous said...: Isn't the Herald-Sun considered the "local" newspaper for Durham?; April 17, 2014 at 11:54 AM
Anonymous said...: Ehrmagerd!!; April 17, 2014 at 12:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

"Reading the news earlier today as always, I noticed that there were no Duke articles on the on-line front page News and Observer as there typically are every day without fail. (I thought briefly to check the sports sections headlines, but they're always mentioned there, so skipped that section of my curious review as to why no mention of Duke in that edition of on-line N and O news). Then I check back as I sometimes do to continue with news reviews and yup - there it is - front page Duke sports news as headline attraction."

I am sure that Rae Evans noticed that and immediately called the Observer and told them to straighten up and fly right or else she would unleash the hounds.

This might be a good time to put another layer of tinfoil on your hat. You can't be too careful!; April 17, 2014 at 12:59 PM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr today again shows how incredibly stupid and delusional he is. He also shows how angry he is that he is incapable of forcing the State of North Carolina to do his bidding. He can not admit that he is a delusional megalomaniac.; April 17, 2014 at 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

If you knew anything about law, you would know that pleading self defense does not make a not guilty verdict mandatory. It is an affirmative defense in which the defense has to prove it. Crystal did not prove it. Ergo, her claim of self defense was not a defense.

I also point out, with regard to George Zimmerman(who did prove self defense) neither you nor your idol SIDNEY thought that entitled him to a not guilty verdict.

Why do you believe Crystal should have received a not guilty verdict because she pleaded self defense? I will enlighten you. You believe that in the case of your favorite murderess, the facts should be ignored and she should get a pass.

Your last post shows you have no grasp of the facts.; April 17, 2014 at 1:38 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"When an obvious miscarriage of justice has occurred, especially if you can show how inadequate the defence was. Then the, in place, rules about grounds for appeal, have to be interpreted as broadly as possible, for the sake of justice. Not to do so gives even more reason that the public holds the Law Profession is held in such low regard."

How have you established it as fact that this is a miscarriage of justice. You, in your last post, show you have no grasp of the facts.; April 17, 2014 at 1:41 PM
Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal Supporter said...: Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal:

Please stop whining.

We understand that you disagree with the guilty verdict. We understand that you do not believe Crystal is a murderer. However, as a close personal friend, you are scarcely unbiased.

You simply repeat the same conclusions and straw man arguments you have made many, many time before. Readers did not find them persuasive previously. They are not likely to find them persuasive now.

A number of posters have suggested a different approach: provide specific evidence and case law to support your conclusions.

You must remember that few readers value your judgment. That is an unfortunate effect of advancing the preposterous theory of mystery rapists. It is like the little boy who cried wolf. No one believes you.

First, you conclude that readers interpret Welch too broadly. I am willing to listen to arguments. I don't just want to hear your conclusion. Please provide case law that supports your opinion. Otherwise, I will disregard it as the uniformed and biased opinion of a close friend of Crystal with no expertise or training in the law.

Second, you support Crystal's claim of self-defense. Rather than provide evidence to support the claim, you rely on a straw man argument. The jury ( and the readers on this blog) do not have to choose between only Crystal's version and the ridiculous version you attribute to the prosecution of a "frightened and fleeing Daye." Straw man arguments seldom are persuasive.

Third, you again make your delirium tremens argument. Once again, you provide no evidence that the treatment was "totally unrelated" to the stab wound. Once again, you provide no case law to address the preexisting condition issue raised by lawyers on this blog. Once again, you ask that a close personal friend of the defendant with no training in medicine or the law should be viewed as a more credible source than doctors and lawyers.

Kenny, I really wish you would stop whining. We understand your opinions. Now back them up.; April 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 1:38 said: "
Your last post shows you have no grasp of the facts"........And, your post shows that you did not understand what I wrote. My second point was in response to an earlier post that said; "Daye was in the hospital because of Crystal's admitted stabbing - by law that makes her guilty" Legally guilty of what? She admitted stabbing Daye but it was done in self-defence. A proper defence would have raised the issue of Daye's chronic alcoholism and his inherent susceptibility to alcohol withdrawal, when hospitalized. It would have subpoenaed those who treated him and questioned them if, in their opinion, the stab wound was an undisputed proximate cause of his untimely death. The nexus between the wound, he received and his death, would have to be firmly established in order to make a judgement based on settled case law. Those who treated Daye needed to be questioned, not just those who autopsied him. Especially about why the failed treatments were undertaken. No reasonable doubt that Crystal murdered Daye and was not defending herself; give me a break. When the charge was murder the concept of beyond a reasonable doubt has got to be paramount and if the cause of Daye's death from medical misadventure is found to be unrelated to the stab wound, in the opinion of the surgeons then the maximum charge should have been wounding with intent. Of course the same not guilty by reason of self-defence would apply; April 17, 2014 at 4:37 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Your second post again shows you have no grasp of the facts.; April 17, 2014 at 4:52 PM
kenhyderal said...: @ KMRHS: You points one and three are really the same. No new case law is required. Welch makes it clear that their must be a nexus between the putative crime and the treatment thereof. This id not present in this case. As to point two The prosecutor working from Daye's unquestioned version of events was the one who created the version that had a smaller, sober and frightened Crystal as the aggressor using crime scene reconstruction and suspending all common sense. The defence Lawyer's rebuttal was feeble compared with the fanciful construct presented by the prosecution. That combined with the mind-numbing minutiae about the crime scene that confused Crystal and led the jury to conclude, not that she was being purposely tripped up but that she was lying. The wrongful admission of Milton Walker, who was a most reluctant witness and who admitted that he bore most of the responsibility for the domestic dispute was used to prejudice the jury.; April 17, 2014 at 5:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Why should Kenny have to back up friggin' anything? This is a judicial case, and that should have been enough reason to not have repeated corrupted cases flowing from Duke point blank no questions asked. So stop trying to get Kenny or anyone else to prove to ya'll what the judicial system should be doing themselves in the first place. Seriously. You can watch the youtube video of the trial yourself if you are so truly interested in seeing how absurd that trial was. The second autopsy report withheld until the last day of the trial is proof of the outrage in and of itself.

You trolls need to get a grip and stop demanding these Duke related cases be tried in the news and courts or public opinion. That is not justice, and ya'll are fools to think that is in anyway the wise choice to make when the judicial system and public opinion are involved. Most of the public is not Duke driven nor do they appreciate all the corruption, lies, deceit, coverups, false prosecutions, media turmoil in lieu of a fair and reasonable court system, and the inability to receive equal and fair and uncompromised legal assistance as needed to even be part of a fair and reasonable court system if there was one.

So - why demand this blog be the court - or provide the Durham In-Wonderland KC lead whatever it is their doing gang anything. Get real.

sheeessshhhhh - this is seriously wholly ridiculous when viewed through the lens of what this evil duke troll gang from KC's blog is really doing.

Get real ...

blah; April 17, 2014 at 5:08 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
We've heard those arguments of yours time and time again. Can't you understand that no one whose opinion matters believes you? I understand you're a master debater, but this is not a debate.; April 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM
guiowen said...: To the 5:08,
As usual, you're missing the point.; April 17, 2014 at 5:13 PM
Anonymous said...: q... your posts as usual hold no meaning at all except that you are an evil duke troll from kc's blog.

Why don't ya'll (you especially) stop trolling Kenny and copying and pasting his or anyone else's past posts to start new trolls and arguments against your own trolled cut and paste posts, and then screaming quit whining or quit trolling when a reply is given in defense or asking you to stop or whatever? Seriously.

blah

Kenny, this is an open case - you do realize that right?; April 17, 2014 at 5:25 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Again you show you have no grasp of the facts.; April 17, 2014 at 5:43 PM
guiowen said...: To the 5:25,
I've asked you before to mind your manners. Please don't ruin Sidney's blog site. You're causing him to suffer.; April 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM
Anonymous said...: It would have subpoenaed those who treated him and questioned them if, in their opinion, the stab wound was an undisputed proximate cause of his untimely death. The nexus between the wound, he received and his death, would have to be firmly established in order to make a judgement based on settled case law. Those who treated Daye needed to be questioned, not just those who autopsied him. Especially about why the failed treatments were undertaken

Why do you assume they weren't questioned? You do understand that attorneys talk to witnesses before trial, and if their testimony won't be helpful, they don't use it. I have no doubt that the treating doctors were asked about the treatments, and their opinions, and the Defense believed that they would not be helpful, so they didn't call them.

You suffer the same delusion as Sid, namely that if people don't call you and explain what's going on, you assume it can't be happening.

You really are a clueless idiot.; April 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM
Anonymous said...: The wrongful admission of Milton Walker, who was a most reluctant witness and who admitted that he bore most of the responsibility for the domestic dispute was used to prejudice the jury.

That wasn't her lawyer's fault - he objected to the testimony. I guess he doesn't have your gift of persuasion.; April 17, 2014 at 5:46 PM
Anonymous said...: So, Kenny, you are so brilliant ... why did Crystal deny that Daye had ever hit her, or threatened her, if that wasn't true? A neighbor said she often heard fighting and arguing. Crystal denied it. Now Crystal is saying Daye beat her before, including sending her to the doctor the week before. Why, when asked by both the prosecutor and her attorney, did she deny that?; April 17, 2014 at 6:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Guess you will have to wait until another court case to find out if that is part of the new trial if there is one won't you?

Not that you would believe anything other than your own agenda anyway of course.; April 17, 2014 at 6:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Since duke has already admitted responsibility for what happened in the lacrosse case, along with the duke / durham judicial system which has been shown to be at fault in coherts with duke in most of these cases - this new case being just more of the same ... to continue to blame and incarcerate Ms. Mangum for being a victim of that mess is to ignore the reality of what really goes on in duke / durham nonjustice system and at duke. It gives Ms. Mangum a power she does not have, and absolves those with the true power, responsibility, and quilt of malicious action and frees them to do it again and again ... until you too become their victim.

Most people don't want to play and are horrified at the reality of what Duke really is and does in Durham, NC, the USA, and the world if they truly understand the 'big' picture.; April 17, 2014 at 6:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr:

Would that be considered child endangerment if a parent who duke had issues with took their child (or was taken) to duke for medical services in light of this current case?

Like Ms Mangum now, would it be considered child endangerment if one of her children were taken to duke for medical services - say - if they cut themselves with a knife chopping an onion or something - since they may become dukes victim if duke wanted to try to pin child abuse or murder charges on Ms. Mangum or her children's caretakers as well?; April 17, 2014 at 6:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Just don't call yourself insane for reposting an old post that is not yours this time g ... in any case, since you are seriously being a very evil duke troll hailing from the nonwonderland blog website in your own major bs hate driven ways with an agenda of causing others harm here and elsewhere with your hate-filled agendas. Thanks.; April 17, 2014 at 7:04 PM
guiowen said...: To the 7:04,
You're wrong, as usual.; April 17, 2014 at 8:27 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 5:44 said: "Why do you assume they weren't questioned".........I understand that Attorney Meier does lurk on this site, so, perhaps he could resurface, as he has done on other occasions and confirm, honestly and frankly, if he or any of his predecessors did or did not do that.; April 17, 2014 at 8:45 PM
Anonymous said...: Ken Edwards aka Kenhyderal April 17, 2014 at 8:45 PM

That was a non answer.; April 18, 2014 at 3:19 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous @ 5:44 said: "Why do you assume they weren't questioned".........I understand that Attorney Meier does lurk on this site, so, perhaps he could resurface, as he has done on other occasions and confirm, honestly and frankly, if he or any of his predecessors did or did not do that.

I'm sure he knows better than to come on this website and publicly discuss Mangum's case and what was done, especially when the case is on appeal. As anyone with legal training (and even those who just aren't loons) have said - publicly discussing this case only harms Mangum.

Plus, you and Sid have shown yourselves to be completely incapable of seeing/accepting anything you disagree with. The Roberts' report was put up - it clearly hurts Crystal (yes, it shows mistakes, but it agrees with the conclusions of Nichols - and you don't help yourself by putting YOUR expert on the stand and calling her a liar), but you and Sid still pretend she wouldn't have, or that it would still somehow be more important to expose her as a liar than to actually try to help Crystal.

Whether or not Meier still lurks here, I imagine if you want a response from him, you'd have to contact him directly, but he'd probably still ignore you. Despite what you and Sid seem to believe, neither of you are entitled to answers. You can want them, but you aren't the client.; April 18, 2014 at 6:04 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "I'm sure he knows better than to come on this website and publicly discuss Mangum's case and what was done, especially when the case is on appeal"........ Apparently not. But, from my point of view, one of the grounds for an appeal is that Crystal received an inadequate and ineffective defence. I'm frequently asked what, in my view, could of, or should of been done differently. And when I give suggestions, I'm told that the information, I believe should have come into evidence was investigated and rejected as, in the opinion of the defence, not helpful to her case and that Dr. Harr and myself are not entitled to such information. Apparently neither was Crystal; April 18, 2014 at 8:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Apparently not. But, from my point of view, one of the grounds for an appeal is that Crystal received an inadequate and ineffective defence. I'm frequently asked what, in my view, could of, or should of been done differently. And when I give suggestions, I'm told that the information, I believe should have come into evidence was investigated and rejected as, in the opinion of the defence, not helpful to her case and that Dr. Harr and myself are not entitled to such information. Apparently neither was Crystal

So - question: Is it BETTER or WORSE for Crystal for her Defense Attorney to come out and publicly refute any claims and contentions made against him by the crazies on this website? How does it remotely help his client for him to publicly respond? An attorney owes an obligation to their client, not to all the crazies who claim to support that client.

You have no idea if Meier is working with the Appellate attorney, or what he has said to the proper sources about what was, or was not, done. Unless you assume everyone is in a conspiracy against Crystal (I know, that is exactly what you assume), then you have to assume that people are working, properly, to help her, and part of that includes not publicly discussing trial strategy or other issues that are not the public's business.

If he came on here and said he did all this prep work, it would hurt Crystal. Crystal's case is on appeal, and lawyers know you don't go around taking steps to jeopardize that appeal just because some loons criticize what you did, whether that criticism is fair, or unfair.

Nothing Meier could say here would change your mind, or Sid's mind, nor could it be remotely helpful to Mangum, so why should/would he say anything?

The only thing I can recall him saying on this website is that he does read it, and is amused. He's never discussed the case. Have you attempted to contact him? I'm sure his e-mail isn't too hard to find.; April 18, 2014 at 8:33 AM
Anonymous said...: when I give suggestions, I'm told that the information, I believe should have come into evidence was investigated and rejected as, in the opinion of the defence, not helpful to her case and that Dr. Harr and myself are not entitled to such information. Apparently neither was Crystal

Or, now that Crystal followed the advice of you and Sid, and not her attorneys, she is now pretending she wasn't told things she was told. Her "recall" is suspect, as even you repeatedly claim.

Where is the anti-Duke troll - it's been 24 hours since he whined about the conspiracy!; April 18, 2014 at 8:35 AM
kenhyderal said...: It might be worthwhile for the bloggers to re-read Barrister Meier's post of January 16, 3:56 PM; in the thread entitles "Duke University, Successful but devoid of a Soul" There, he claims everything was fully investigated. He also indicated, there, he would not respond to questions but I just wonder if he stands by this assertion.; April 18, 2014 at 9:06 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Or, now that Crystal followed the advice of you and Sid, and not her attorneys"..........No, Crystal followed the advice of her Attorney except in the case of whether or not to testify; April 18, 2014 at 9:11 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Meier already said (in the post you mention) that everything was fully investigated. From what I see, you want to cross-examine him. "Do you, Barrister Meier, stand by your assertion? What are you trying to pull on us, Barrister?"; April 18, 2014 at 9:26 AM
Anonymous said...: The US does not draw a distinction between lawyers as pleaders (barristers) and lawyers as agents (solicitors).

You would address Mr. Meier as "counselor" if you were in court and either a judge or another lawyer. Otherwise, you would address him simply as Mr. Meier.

Thus ends your education for the day.; April 18, 2014 at 10:03 AM
kenhyderal said...: I believe no such investigation ever took place. In defence of Barrister Meier, with the limited time he had to prepare, the kind of thorough investigation needed would have been difficult to accomplish in such a short time frame after the precipitous withdraw of Holmes offering the phoney excuse of having a conflict of interest. He just wasn't prepared for the time and effort needed. The problem with Court appointed Defence Attorneys is that they are not properly and adequately compensated enough to mount a strong defence. An indigent defendant needs the same kind of vigorous defence we all deserve. They also need to have appointed, on their behalf, a Lawyer that believes in their innocence. When a Lawyer believes his client is innocent he has no misgivings about putting that client on the stand; April 18, 2014 at 10:07 AM
kenhyderal said...: "Thus ends your education for the day"..... Thanks for the information; April 18, 2014 at 10:10 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Daniel Meier's post mentioned above; April 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM
guiowen said...: Daniel Meier, if you're reading this, be warned! Ken Edwards aka Kenhyderal will soon be challenging you to explain your multiple failures. (I don't need to enumerate them since he has already done so repeatedly.) Please remember Ken is master debater!; April 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM
Anonymous said...: that Korean ferry sinking was some fracked up sheeeesssssshhhhhhh

thus ends news briefs for the day

i'll be in mourning for awhile

egad sinbad; April 18, 2014 at 10:24 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Some of Meier's comments to Sidney:

"You are free to keep doing what you are doing, every attorney Mangum has had has explained that your efforts are actually harming her in very real ways, but you plunge on. Why do you think I, or anyone else, would reach out to you?"

"Dr. Harr, if you hadn't gone public with everything, and allowed the State and others to more fully respond, your analysis would have been helpful, instead you sough[t] the spotlight and released information that never should have been released, and greatly harmed the person you claimed to be wanting to help. So, no, I didn't reach out to you, nor do I intend to.

I wish you'd stop and let the process work, but I know you won't."
*****

My thoughts? Sidney should be flogged, and incarcerated.; April 18, 2014 at 10:25 AM
Anonymous said...: So, Kenny, he already said it, you don't believe him, but you expect him to come say it again? You'd still doubt it.; April 18, 2014 at 10:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Ask Walt, but very few clients "believe" in their client's innocence - court appointed or not. A lawyer looks at the State's case, and tries to see how to show reasonable doubt. If their client says stuff contrary to the evidence, they try to deal with that, they don't delude themselves into saying their client must be right. A lawyer who absolutely believes their client will miss contradictory evidence and not do a good job. They should always challenge their client to make sure they can address the State's case.; April 18, 2014 at 10:41 AM
Anonymous said...: All Meier said is there was a consultation with experts, which was obvious since there were hired experts who testified, and who didn't testify.; April 18, 2014 at 10:49 AM
Anonymous said...: No -- He stated " Yes, there was consultation with experts, there was a lot of work done...."[emphasis mine]

It's an ambiguous statement, to be sure. We may never know the nature of this work done (attorney-client privilege and all that), but no one here can provide ANY proof that work to benefit CGM's case wasn't done.; April 18, 2014 at 11:04 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDEERAL April 18, 2014 at 8:27:

Your point of view is irrelevant and non meritorious in the extreme. You have no comprehension of the facts in the case. Further you have no comprehension either of the law or of forensic medicine.; April 18, 2014 at 11:12 AM
guiowen said...: Oh boy! Next thing we know Sidney will be asking for a subpoena against Meier to force him to explain what these consultations were.; April 18, 2014 at 11:13 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal April 18, 2014 at 9:06 AM:

Why would Daniel Meier respond to you.That you think he should shows you are megalomaniacal as your idol SIDNEY.; April 18, 2014 at 11:17 AM
Anonymous said...: I'm surprised Sid hasn't tried to subpoena everyone to his April 23 hearing ...; April 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 18, 2014 at 11:46 AM said...

I'm surprised Sid hasn't tried to subpoena everyone to his April 23 hearing ...

Not trying to be mean here, but service costs real money, up front, and it isn't cheap.; April 18, 2014 at 3:30 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "but no one here can provide ANY proof that work to benefit CGM's case wasn't done" ........http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/diamondinspade/YesWeCan.jpg; April 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Has Dr Sid ever told us what HBCU med school he went to?

He seems barely more a doctor than he is a lawyer (which is to say, nada).; April 18, 2014 at 5:28 PM
kenhyderal said...: Dr. Harr received his MD from the Oregon Health and Science University. It's a highly rated school. Wikipedia: In 2013, the US News and World Report ranked OHSU amongst the top medical schools in the country, placing the school 3rd overall in Primary Care Rankings and 31st in Research Rankings. In addition, the publication ranked the school 2nd in Family Medicine and 5th in Rural Medicine specialties; April 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Whatever Medical School gradduated him, SIDNEY completed only an internship, never completed a residency and never obtained board certification in any specialty, all of which strongly implied he was unable to be accepted into any residency program. He retired less than 20 years after graduation. That adds up to a very indistinguished performance as a physician.; April 19, 2014 at 2:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr, this case seems to point to obstruction of justice by the ME's, the DA, and Duke in not addressing the discrepancies themselves, and/or perhaps even more malpractice than previously you thought to which they are legally responsible for, and/or accessory to the obstruction of justice, etc.; and to the lawyers involvement in the obstruction of the justice of this case for Ms. Mangum and the people as well.

The level of trust the people place in these positions that can affect life and death decisions for all make those crimes a burden too heavy to carry by Ms. Mangum and the people alone.

Adding in the continued disregard by the justice system of these life and death issues creates a threatening, hostile, and unsafe environment for all who live or travel in NC.

How are these persons holding these positions of professional responsibility to the people held accountable and investigated for their actions in this case through the USA justice system?

How is Ms. Mangum or the people assured that the Duke / Durham justice and medical systems, as well as the NC ME system are professionally capable of serving the people if there is no investigation into the roles they played and continue to perpetuate in the apparent injustice of this case?; April 19, 2014 at 6:09 AM
Anonymous said...: There is our paranoid friend ... I was getting worried, it had been over a day!; April 19, 2014 at 6:14 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Remember the wise words of Mr Daye's nephew:

“It’s Crystal Mangum. THE Crystal Mangum! I told him she was trouble from the damn beginning.”

Eerily prophetic.; April 19, 2014 at 7:19 AM
Anonymous said...: The essence of William Cohan’s book:

S H I T
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m p e
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t e e
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g; April 19, 2014 at 9:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Got it wrong.

Maybe this is better:

The essence of William Cohan’s book:

Something
Happened
In
There; April 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...: Enough from the evil duke troll.; April 19, 2014 at 3:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Who is the worst troll? Kenny or the evil duke troll?; April 19, 2014 at 3:16 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal @4:35:

We have Mr. Meier's word against your pitiful post...

I'll let the readers determine which is more reliable.; April 19, 2014 at 3:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenhyderal -- Here's some info on how to use the "a href" tag in your posts.

Thus ends your education for the day.; April 19, 2014 at 3:37 PM
Anonymous said...: In the judicial system all inclusive in durham and duke - the environment is very racially charged and discrimination is the norm - and it does go both ways - and it is very obvious to most.

This extends outwards to the entire NC populace through duke - and is used as the basis for example for social policy for the entire USA in their chaos driven dreams - and in reality that is deadly and unjust to many.

It is so sickenly obvious in its moral decay and decline through the political influence of medical meddeling in the every facet of the lives of all citizens, of all ages and races and gender - that the brazen display of sheer disrespect for the rights of so many as a norm of being known as leaders in their fields of expertise - (which actually says a lot about them from the perspective of their ability to lead the depravity and racist manipulation as well as all other facists of society) - for their benefit only.; April 19, 2014 at 6:21 PM
Anonymous said...: I love our paranoid conspiracy theorist. It's so rare to see people so deluded they can't even consider objective evidence presented to them.; April 19, 2014 at 6:27 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal said...

Excuse my lack of knowledge on the minutiae of the case but were all there present, at this house party, members of the LAX Team and were all there present tested for their DNA? Were there any invited non-team members or party-crashers present?

May 31, 2010 at 2:28 PM

Does this appear to be a post from someone who claims to be a close friend of Crystal?; April 19, 2014 at 6:35 PM
Anonymous said...: oh, i see

so, since durham / duke judicial system is so fracked up to the point where these allegations exist,

but people like you insist that they don't because of various reasons,

yet because of the fracked up system that cannot be accessed due to lack of viable lawyers, judges, and da's, sbi, etc. by any to insure a balance of power with duke in durham and to prove or disprove these serious allegations,

that distrusting durham / duke / and the system is not based on the fact of the obvious and clear presentation and existance of this fracked up system that cannot be trusted to deliver services that do not harm in malicious and intentional and professionally negligent manners ...

yeah right; April 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Ipse Dixit; April 19, 2014 at 7:33 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Does this appear to be a post from someone who claims to be a close friend of Crystal".... I first met Crystal in 1998 in Bremerton Washington. I reconnected, by reaching out to her, when her name became public in 2007. I had read about the Duke Lacrosse Case but I did not realize the victim was my old friend. In doing research on the case I discovered Dr. Harr's blog and in June 2010 I introduced Dr. Harr to Crystal; April 19, 2014 at 9:40 PM
Anonymous said...: CNN is running Mr. Cohan articles as a person, who as a Duke Alumni and author of several well-respected books about WallStreet, is now an authoriative figure about the lacrosse case as well as other topics.

The KC blog crowd and notorius Mangum and Nifong haters are up in arms about the pro Nifong and Mangum and Duke sympathtic leaning they perceive from the book's story line bent, and from the lack of critical facts important to their own pro lacrosse team critiques and perspectives of the case.

However, Mr. Cohan has referred to Ms. Mangum as a convicted killer in some of his interviews but has never mentioned that the current murder case is in appeal with the question of whether Duke killed Mr. Daye with its preventable malpractice is still in question because the autopsy reports were flawed and corrupted which has already been proven, but not investigated by the justice system still.

In his most recent interview on CNN today, entitled something about drinking and getting real by lowering the legal age to 19, Mr. Cohan uses this promotional article to remind readers of the the lacrosse case and to paint Ms. Mangum in unfavorable discriptives once again. He then goes on to commensurate about college drinking and behavior with an advocated solution to lower the legal drinking age to 19.

Certainly his publishment of this book during the appeal of the current case and then subsequent publicity interviews is meant only to harm Ms. Mangum. The fact that this book, his publicity tour, and Duke supporting the publicity on CNN, (or it would not be there), is a clear example of Duke's intentions to continue playing their public brain-washing media games in lieu of supporting or allowing a non-corrupted justice system in this current Mangum murder case. This is what the public needs to know. It is the most important aspect of this book as it appears to be the books true agenda.; April 19, 2014 at 10:24 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ April 19, 2014 at 9:40 PM said...

In doing research on the case I discovered Dr. Harr's blog and in June 2010 I introduced Dr. Harr to Crystal

To Crusty's great misfortune.

So you're to blame, lol.; April 20, 2014 at 12:42 AM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal said...

"I first met Crystal in 1998 in Bremerton Washington. I reconnected, by reaching out to her, when her name became public in 2007. I had read about the Duke Lacrosse Case but I did not realize the victim was my old friend. In doing research on the case I discovered Dr. Harr's blog and in June 2010 I introduced Dr. Harr to Crystal"

You have claimed in your posts to have communicated with Crystal about the events that occurred at the party. Yet, you never mentioned the broomstick attack. For that matter, in all the statements Crystal made before November 2012, she also never claimed that she had been assaulted with a broomstick. Why would anyone believe any statement you or Crystal might make about the events at the party?

"And next thing I know, I feel this excruciating pain in my anal area, and I started crying and telling them to stop. But they wouldn’t stop. They just kept doing it. And when I got to the hospital and they took the samples, it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces. Like, I guess they used a broomstick.”; April 20, 2014 at 4:33 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 20, 2014 at 4:33 AM said...

"it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces. Like, I guess they used a broomstick.”

And it only took Crusty ~7.5 years to come up with that one. Never mentioned in a statement to DPD, she didn't tell Linwood Wilson that in the fake interview in Dec, 2006, nor did Gottlieb mention it in his immaculate recollection notes of Summer, 2006.

Oh, and Levicy said nothing about it in any of her several versions of the SANE report.; April 20, 2014 at 7:44 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL: We are waiting for your response.

kenhyderal said...

"I first met Crystal in 1998 in Bremerton Washington. I reconnected, by reaching out to her, when her name became public in 2007. I had read about the Duke Lacrosse Case but I did not realize the victim was my old friend. In doing research on the case I discovered Dr. Harr's blog and in June 2010 I introduced Dr. Harr to Crystal"

You have claimed in your posts to have communicated with Crystal about the events that occurred at the party. Yet, you never mentioned the broomstick attack. For that matter, in all the statements Crystal made before November 2012, she also never claimed that she had been assaulted with a broomstick. Why would anyone believe any statement you or Crystal might make about the events at the party?

"And next thing I know, I feel this excruciating pain in my anal area, and I started crying and telling them to stop. But they wouldn’t stop. They just kept doing it. And when I got to the hospital and they took the samples, it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces. Like, I guess they used a broomstick.”

April 20, 2014 at 4:33 AM; April 20, 2014 at 1:19 PM
Anonymous said...: Do not expect Kenny to respond. He would prefer to ignore Crystal's statement.; April 20, 2014 at 3:37 PM
Anonymous said...: Walt - you gonna watch Sid's performance on the 23rd and give us an update? We already know it's going to be dismissed, and he will claim it's a travesty of justice (even though it's the law), but the blow-by-blow would be fun to hear about.; April 20, 2014 at 4:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Actually the school where Harr graduated, when he graduated, was second rate. US NEWS was not even ranking schools when he supposedly got his medical education. He completed no residency, published as four author on ONE marginal paper, held no significant medical position, held no leadership position in any hospital, did no meaningful published research and basically spent his time filing nuisance lawsuits, trying to get money.
Some hot shit doctor.....; April 20, 2014 at 4:47 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL: We are waiting for your response.; April 20, 2014 at 5:18 PM
Walt said...: Anon at 4:27 PM wrote: "Walt - you gonna watch Sid's performance on the 23rd and give us an update?"

There is one issue raised by Duke that does interest me. I won't discuss it here, now so as to give Sid or Duke any advantage. I have some time in my schedule that I may dedicate to watching the festivities. It all depends on how a couple of commitments work out and, of course, how close to schedule the Magistrate runs.

Walt-in-Durham; April 20, 2014 at 5:56 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 20, 2014 at 9:16 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Do not expect Kenny to respond. He would prefer to ignore Crystal's statement".... Believe it or not when Crystal and I communicate we don't spend time talking about the traumatic event she suffered that hellish night. If you remember, though, former Poster Kilgo, drawing from a second hand account, claimed the weapon used in this outrage was a lacrosse stick; April 20, 2014 at 9:16 PM
guiowen said...: Kilgo?
Isn't he the guy who disappeared from view as soon as people started asking questions?; April 20, 2014 at 9:25 PM
kenhyderal said...: Yes and I have a theory as to why. He closed his e-mail account and cut off all communication with me. My guess is that he was bought off.; April 20, 2014 at 9:54 PM
guiowen said...: My guess is that he realized his lies could get him into serious hot water.; April 20, 2014 at 10:50 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Believe it or not when Crystal and I communicate we don't spend time talking about the traumatic event she suffered that hellish night."

That is because said hellish event never happened.; April 21, 2014 at 3:52 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"...former Poster Kilgo, drawing from a second hand account, claimed the weapon used in this outrage was a lacrosse stick".

I say again, when Kilgo bears witness to anything, it is like a blind man saying, I saw the whole thing.; April 21, 2014 at 3:55 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Yes and I have a theory as to why. He closed his e-mail account and cut off all communication with me. My guess is that he was bought off."

Absurd theory. Why would anyone buy off a blowhard who had demonstrated o multiple occasions he knew nothing.; April 21, 2014 at 3:57 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

You are channeling your idol, SIDNEY HARR. SIDNEY thinks he can intimidate Duke University and various other defendants into paying him off. You keep posting your idiocy hoping whoever paid off Kilgo will pay you off. That actually happened when Kilgo's non existent Lacrosse player friend made his first public appearance.; April 21, 2014 at 4:11 AM
Anonymous said...: You are all wrong about Poster Kilgo.

Kilgo claimed that Crystal was sodomized by several lacrosse sticks, not just one.

In order to prove that it would have been possible for three attendees to have sodomized Crystal with lacrosse sticks, she decided to recreate the heinous crime.

One night, she met several men at a bar. After a number of drinks, they went to Kilgo's apartment, where they decided to reenact the crime.

Tragically, Kilgo suffered severe internal injuries and almost died. Fortunately, she has since recovered.

However, she was so embarrassed they she was so wrong, she stopped posting. She did not want to admit that she failed to listen to other posters, who advised that sodomy with lacrosse sticks would have caused severe injuries that would not have been missed in the exam and would have made it difficult for her to ambulate for Gottlieb.

I know I speak for all posters in expressing relief.; April 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "Yes and I have a theory as to why. He closed his e-mail account and cut off all communication with me. My guess is that he was bought off."

Dagnamit! This conspiracy is even bigger than I imagined. Who else could be involved?

Remember the profound truth: if you have to resort to a conspiracy theory to explain something, you may be a nut.

Walt-in-Durham; April 21, 2014 at 5:32 AM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM
kenhyderal said...: A less nefarious explanation might be that Kilgo's Player friend, who putatively witnesses the assault and was having pangs of conscience for not coming forward, for the sake of team solidarity, regretted he had confided in Kilgo and asked him to stop posting what he had told him. When it appeared that I was going to make efforts to discover their identities, Kilgo took steps to conceal himself. It was apparent from Kilgo's posts here that he had a real hatred for Evans; April 21, 2014 at 9:20 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "A less nefarious explanation might be that Kilgo's Player friend, who putatively witnesses the assault and was having pangs of conscience for not coming forward, for the sake of team solidarity, regretted he had confided in Kilgo and asked him to stop posting what he had told him."

I thought it was a giant conspiracy? No? Well let pose a more likely scenario, Kilgo invented his source from Kilgo's own fertile imagination. Once you started trying to discover the identitiy of the alleged but non-existent source, Kilgo decided to disappear into the mist of the internet.

Walt-in-Durham; April 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM

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