justice4nifong: New book to shed light on Duke Lacrosse case

Tuesday, April 1, 2014

New book to shed light on Duke Lacrosse case

174 comments:

Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Everyone learned how corrupt duke and the duke / durham / nc justice systems is, and no-one knows for sure what happened at that party still, although everyone is reminded to wonder about it forever.

I am sure that the new book coming out, "The Price of Silence," will give much needed enlightenment to what really happened in March 2006, and during the criminal case that followed.; April 1, 2014 at 12:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Comical..........ever the hairbrain, bro.
For those who are interested, KC has a great piece on this trash book. check it out.
One funny example: Mr. Nifong and Mangum discussed her problems with telling so many different versions of events. Mr. Nifong suggested to Mangum that an explanation might be her hormonal issus. Geez, Mikey, you are brillant! Mangum murdered Mr. Daye because she has PMS! Holy Tampax!!!!!; April 1, 2014 at 12:18 PM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "I am sure that the new book coming out, "The Price of Silence," will give much needed enlightenment to what really happened in March 2006, and during the criminal case that followed."

In the sense that the book is largely based on Nifong's interview, it certainly does give out some information about the state's thinking in 2006. However, Nifong and the author make some claims about the investigation in 2007 that are patently false. For example, Nifong claims that career prosecutors were "blind sided" by the Attorney General's declaration of innocence. In fact, a call to either of the career prosecutors would have discovered that they supported and continue to support the declaration. Further, a simple question to the career prosecutors would have discovered that there was no evidence of guilt. All the evidence pointed to innocence.

Walt-in-Durham; April 1, 2014 at 1:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Anyone whoever believed that the Duke lacrosse players would have wanted to have sex with Crystal Mangum is an idiot.They weren't that drunk.; April 1, 2014 at 2:01 PM
Anonymous said...: The Duke lacrosse players were declared innocent because they were never in a bathroom with Crystal Mangum and never had any physical contact with her.Who would want to?; April 1, 2014 at 2:02 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: "forced resignation of Mike Nifong"

No, Sidney, he was disbarred, then removed from office by a Superior Court Judge.; April 1, 2014 at 6:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Nifong Supporter said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
"I’m a personal friend of Crystal Mangum. Ever since Crystal had the temerity to report she had been raped by the entitled sons of privilege at Duke she has faced relentless vilification by them and by Trial Lawyers seeking compensation on their behalf. This has gone on relentlessly for many years, on an daily basis, in places like the blog “Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers” where she has been characterized as a mentally unstable, drug addicted prostitute. None of these people even know Crystal other then by this widely disseminated caricature. Those of us who do know her, friends, family, her pastor, her professors and her fellow students do not recognize her as this person they see so freely vilified. The wide acceptance of these slanders made it difficult for her to find accommodation, especially after the arson charge she faced but was not convicted of. With three children, she felt bad about having to impose on friends to give her a place to stay. That guilt, caused her to accept offers by men like Walker and Daye. Walker suffers from schizophrenia and admits he initiated that confrontation. Daye was a chronic alcoholic. His self-admitted motive was a jealous rage. Crystal has, absolutely, no motive other then defending herself, to stab Daye. In fact, she was grateful to him for allowing her to share his apartment. I pray that there will be some grounds, accepted, for an appeal and she can get a new trial, where that jury will see the obvious."

Thank you for sharing your personal views as a friend of Crystal's. They are similar to mine.

March 31, 2014 at 8:06 AM

Dr. Harr,

I consider it a great honor and privilege to be able to contribute my posts at J4N.; April 1, 2014 at 6:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Mike Nifong - DA of integrity and independence.You mean a convicted liar who knew all along the Duke lacrosse players were innocent.; April 1, 2014 at 7:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Why did DA Nifong have conversations with this author who graduated from Duke throughout the case? Why is it being released now, 8 years later during this critical juncture of the current Mangum / ME / Duke case?; April 1, 2014 at 7:16 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "why did DA Nifong have conversations with this author who graduated from Duke..."
That would be a question for Nifong, wouldn't it?; April 1, 2014 at 8:19 PM
Anonymous said...: I wonder if he reads this blog:

Do you Mr. Nifong? Are you there? Why did you have these conversations with a Duke author during the Duke Lacrosse Case? Hey by the way.; April 1, 2014 at 8:46 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous @ 6:40 said said: I consider it a great honor and privilege to be able to contribute my posts at J4N' ..... Except, they are not your own posts. The post you made that prompted Dr. Harr to thank you was cut and pasted wholesale from a post I made on a blog of the consultant Criminal Lawyer for Daniel Meier, in his defence of Crystal, Ms. Sarah Jessica Farber. What have you got to say for yourself.; April 1, 2014 at 9:26 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: "I agree with the attorney general's statement that there is no credible evidence that Mr. Seligmann, Mr. Finnerty or Mr. Evans committed any of the crimes for which they were indicted -- or any other crimes against Crystal Mangum -- during the party," Nifong said, adding that state prosecutors uncovered evidence he didn't have.; April 2, 2014 at 1:29 AM
Anonymous said...: They pulled enough DNA out of Crystal's pink (and brown) parts to repopulate Biafra but not one squirming spermozoa wore a Duke jersey.; April 2, 2014 at 1:39 AM
Anonymous said...: Are you an actual dookie?; April 2, 2014 at 2:56 AM
Anonymous said...: Are you an actual troll?; April 2, 2014 at 5:35 AM
Anonymous said...: No, i don't sit in a van under a bridge eating govmint cheese like you say you do if that's what you mean. Are you done for the day?; April 2, 2014 at 5:48 AM
Anonymous said...: Hmmmm......it appears the poster is not familiar with Chris Farley.......aka Matt Foley; April 2, 2014 at 5:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Perhaps you could sue duke for creating such a case as the lacrosse case for their own political purposes and publicizing it in such a manner that you have become sickened and obsessed by it (something like that). It would do you and the world a lot of good.; April 2, 2014 at 6:34 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Sid wrote: "I am sure that the new book coming out, "The Price of Silence," will give much needed enlightenment to what really happened in March 2006, and during the criminal case that followed."

In the sense that the book is largely based on Nifong's interview, it certainly does give out some information about the state's thinking in 2006. However, Nifong and the author make some claims about the investigation in 2007 that are patently false. For example, Nifong claims that career prosecutors were "blind sided" by the Attorney General's declaration of innocence. In fact, a call to either of the career prosecutors would have discovered that they supported and continue to support the declaration. Further, a simple question to the career prosecutors would have discovered that there was no evidence of guilt. All the evidence pointed to innocence.

Walt-in-Durham

Hey, Walt. For the Attorney General to make a declaration of "innocence" or "guilt" about a defendant is inappropriate, unacceptable, unprecedented, and carries no legal weight. That is the bottom line. The Attorney General was within his rights to dismiss the charges against the Duke Lacrosse defendants... that's all.; April 2, 2014 at 6:50 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...
"forced resignation of Mike Nifong"

No, Sidney, he was disbarred, then removed from office by a Superior Court Judge.

Hey, Whatchoo.

Being removed from office by a judge is even a greater atrocity committed by the state than if Mike Nifong had resigned under duress. Either way, he was unjustly forced/removed from office; April 2, 2014 at 6:53 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Why did DA Nifong have conversations with this author who graduated from Duke throughout the case? Why is it being released now, 8 years later during this critical juncture of the current Mangum / ME / Duke case?

Although I may be wrong, I don't believe the release date of the book had anything to do with Mangum's murder trial... If you have reason to believe otherwise, please share it with us.; April 2, 2014 at 6:56 AM
Anonymous said...: If her case is sent back for a new trial by the Appeals Court, this book will not help in finding another jury or court in Duke / Durham that has not heard of or been affected by the Duke Lacrosse Case. It is being released before the current Mangum / Me / Duke / Duke/Durham/NC judicial system case is completed, and when a new jury and unbiased court may be needed again soon. The timing is inconsiderate, (or very much duke oriented), to coincide at this time with the current case.; April 2, 2014 at 7:08 AM
Anonymous said...: For those interested in reading posts by people who actually have more than four brain cells....there is a very good thread on LS regarding this piece of trash, based on an interview with Nifong. Cohan was, at one time, considered a reasonably credible author. At least Cohan can count on Harr to buy his book. No, wait, Harr will tell us he has no money except bus fare and can't check the book out of the library.

I guess the civil suit extortion business isn't paying so well lately.; April 2, 2014 at 7:55 AM
Anonymous said...: Ooooooo, I'm gonna find the book and run by Mikey's house to see if he will sign it.......
perhaps he will even let me have a shot with him, his guitar, and Victoria-the-Bigot; April 2, 2014 at 7:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Just one of many many examples of the lies told by Nifong and passed along by Cohan in the book. Jim Neff refutes Nifong very effectively....
..."According to Neff, Nifong told Cohan that “I have to believe, based on my knowledge of Jim Coman and Mary Winstead, that they were every bit as sandbagged by [AG Roy Cooper declaring the players innocent] as I was.” Author Cohan, for reasons that remain unclear, elected to publish without attempting to contact either Coman or Winstead for comment. I should note that it appears that many key players on the legal side of the case were similarly never contacted, for reasons that remain unclear.

It turns out--unsurprisingly--that Nifong's . . . recollection . . . was flawed. Jim Coman told Neff, “These characterizations are figments of his (Nifong's) imagination.” After reviewing all of the evidence (it's not clear, by contrast, how much evidence author Cohan ever saw), Coman concluded the obvious: “[Crystal Mangum] lied, she made up a story, and damn it, we’ve got to do the right and ethical thing” by issuing an innocence declaration.".....

Nifong would not know the right and ethical thing to do if it bit him in his ass; April 2, 2014 at 11:28 AM
Anonymous said...: That is the great thing about AG Cooper's statement of innocence.

Sidney can say it is inappropriate, unacceptable, unprecedented, and carries no legal weight and this may be true.

But it keeps people from saying charges were dropped but something still happened they just did not have any evidence. And it seems from the new book it took Nifong by complete surprise.

And in all this mess a man named Daye loses his life. What a sorry chain of events.; April 2, 2014 at 11:44 AM
Anonymous said...: The upcoming book sheds no light on the Duke Rape hoax. It is just another iteration of Mike Nifong trying to cover his corrupt ass.; April 2, 2014 at 12:35 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter @6:53 AM said...

"Being removed from office by a judge is even a greater atrocity committed by the state..."

Hardly.

Basically the only way to remove his disbarred ass from the position. Beth Brewer had filed a petition for his removal ~4 months prior to his disbarment.

Even thought state law requires that the petition be acted upon within 30 days, Orlando Hudson chose to delay until after the Bar proceedings.

During the Bar trial, Nifong did say that he was going to resign, but it was to be effective several weeks later (in an effort to further pump up his pension. Hudson unsurprisingly and correctly found this unacceptable, pulled out Brewer's petition, and granted it forthwith. The Sheriff's Dept retrieved the Fong's ID, card key, and other accoutrements of office from him at his house the next day.

Nifong was the 2nd DA to have been removed that way, the same method used to deservedly removed Cwazy Cline several years later.; April 2, 2014 at 1:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Jim Coman has issued a statement that he and Mary Winstead urged Roy Cooper to declare the lacrosse players innocent because no attack occurred that night so scumbag race traitor Mike Nifong has been caught in another lie.; April 2, 2014 at 4:03 PM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "Hey, Walt. For the Attorney General to make a declaration of "innocence" or "guilt" about a defendant is inappropriate, unacceptable, unprecedented, and carries no legal weight."

Sid, you need to read for comprehension. I wrote that Nifong and the author claimed that the career prosecutors were "blind sided" by the declaration of innocence. In fact, Coman and Winstead refuted that claim. A simple call to either of them would have elicited the same response. The author did not do that.

"That is the bottom line. The Attorney General was within his rights to dismiss the charges against the Duke Lacrosse defendants."

Yes he was within his rights. Further, he was well within his rights to comment on the evidence.

Walt-in-Durham; April 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "Being removed from office by a judge is even a greater atrocity committed by the state than if Mike Nifong had resigned under duress. Either way, he was unjustly forced/removed from office"

Atrocity? No. Judge Hudson was following the statutory process for removal. Belatedly, but he was following the law. The Disciplinary Hearing Commission disbarred Nifong. That made him ineligible to serve. Hudson removed him from office following the statute. Get some perspective. Sid.

Walt-in-Durham; April 2, 2014 at 4:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Why is this case or any case publicized in the media when cases can continue through the appeals court and be sent back to the same inept court with an even greater jury pool tainted by media that tries cases in the court of public opinion and assists in destroying the justice system for revenge, or 'televises' entire trials outright? What potential juror can say they aren't aware of the current case when they can watch the entire proceedings on youtube at any time and have newly published books about all the players in a current case from a previous case shoved in their faces before it is even released to the public? Around here court cases seem like the source for major entertainment and news print, money for the corrupted and those whom corrupt, and endless bickering and debate by the opinioned and misinformed public instead of legal justice that affords all citizens equal protection and legal rights.; April 2, 2014 at 5:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Duke and the News and Observer and other media have terrorized, corrupted, and mis-lead the public and its patients to the point of even death for some for a very long time.

So by now, all in the corrupted justice and political system and manipulated public seem to think that the only way to achieve justice and political gain is to use the media to manipulate the minds of the public in lieu of actual justice in a noncorrupt judicial system.

However, the corrupt are obviously not persuaded to do the legally just thing by the manipulated public nor the media since they are corrupt as well as the manipulated public and the media.

Therefore the public is manipulated even further into thinking there is no justice, or there is but you can't tell because it is only reality in the minds of the manipulated public but not in the actual system in order that the corrupted system can continue to corrupt and be corrupted irregardless of what the public or the media or the corrupted system says or does.; April 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM
Anonymous said...: You are stil delusional.; April 2, 2014 at 7:00 PM
Anonymous said...: No, I am describing duke / durham in nonjustice nonwonderland. If it sounds confusing, it's because that is their goal: chaos and confusion vs. justice and order.; April 2, 2014 at 9:16 PM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said: "In fact, Coman and Winstead refuted that claim. A simple call to either of them would have elicited the same response"...................... So they say now. I wonder if they said the same thing at the time. Cooper was under extreme pressure by the Defence Lawyers to make a proclamation that would bolster their cases and lacking Nifongian Courage he folded; April 2, 2014 at 9:50 PM
Anonymous said...: It is much more likely that Cooper, Coman and Winstead were shocked and appalled by Mangum's lies and Nifong's gross misconduct and felt morally, ethically and legally compelled to do the right thing.; April 2, 2014 at 10:11 PM
Anonymous said...: Too bad noone will ever know for sure - and really - what does it matter? Everything else that Duke has done is far worse and harmful to many in comparison, and that is what is really highlighted by these cases. So argue on, Duke loves it.; April 2, 2014 at 11:27 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny speculates: "I wonder if they said the same thing at the time."

Yes. They did.; April 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ April 2, 2014 at 9:50 PM said... "So they say now. I wonder if they said the same thing at the time."
~~~~~

ken, who do you think prepared the Dismissal form (or rather caused it to be prepared by an underling)?

Conan and/or Winstead did, the AG relies on them for the legwork and paperwork niceties.

The charges were dismissed with prejudice, and the Dismissal form included the innocence statement as partial support of the dismissal. An AG / prosecutor cannot dismiss charges - only a Court can do that. The dismissal has to be accepted and approved by a Judge, and thus becomes an official Court record.

The dismissal, including the innocence conclusion, thus became the judgement of the Court.
*****

This wasn't a case where there was simply not enough evidence to take it to trial - in this situation there wasn't enough evidence that a crime had even been committed at all. But you knew that.

Coman/Winstead also wrote the Conclusions.

From the Summary of Conclusions:

"However with additional evidence uncovered in the new investigation, it was clear that there was no credible evidence that these crimes occurred at 610 N. Buchanan Blvd. in Durham that night.

Because of the lack of evidence and the additional affirmative proof that these crimes did not occur during this time, the Attorney General along with his special prosecutors, Senior Deputy Attorney General James J. Coman and Special Deputy Attorney General Mary D. Winstead, believed it was in the best interest of justice to declare these three individuals innocent of these charges."; April 3, 2014 at 5:48 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: It is instructive to note that the Louvre of DNA, aka Crystal, has come up with yet another story (lie) about the hoax:

She now claims that she had splinters in her nether regions (poody and poop chute):

"And when I got to the hospital and they took the samples, it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces."
~~~~~

As we all know, the SANE exam revealed nothing of the sort, but the DNA testing revealed that she had had several non-lacrosse visitors to those same regions.

Thank God she's no longer a threat to the citizens of North Carolina, incl her poor children. At least for a few years, anyway.; April 3, 2014 at 6:31 AM
Anonymous said...: sidney b. harr and ken edwards hyderal:

Two examples that there are none so blind as they who refuse to see, none so deaf as they who refuse to hear, none so stupid as they who choose to be.; April 3, 2014 at 6:32 AM
Anonymous said...: The charges were dismissed with prejudice, and the Dismissal form included the innocence statement as partial support of the dismissal. An AG / prosecutor cannot dismiss charges - only a Court can do that. The dismissal has to be accepted and approved by a Judge, and thus becomes an official Court record.

The dismissal, including the innocence conclusion, thus became the judgement of the Court.

That is actually completely and totally wrong. Prosecutors dismiss charges all the time, there is absolutely no requirement that a Judge "approve" it - it is scary the power that prosecutors have.

I'm not supporting the rest of Kenny's bizzaro fantasy world, but no court ever has to approve a dismissal by the Prosecutor of charges.; April 3, 2014 at 6:32 AM
Anonymous said...: I wonder if the DA or AG have investigated the ME autopsy reports yet?; April 3, 2014 at 6:34 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
For those interested in reading posts by people who actually have more than four brain cells....there is a very good thread on LS regarding this piece of trash, based on an interview with Nifong. Cohan was, at one time, considered a reasonably credible author. At least Cohan can count on Harr to buy his book. No, wait, Harr will tell us he has no money except bus fare and can't check the book out of the library.

I guess the civil suit extortion business isn't paying so well lately.

Actually, I am not destitute and can afford to pay cash for the book... very reasonably priced, I might add.

Now, according to you, Mr. Cohan was a credible author until he wrote a book favorable to Mike Nifong. Right? According to you, anyone who trashes Nifong can be considered to be credible.; April 3, 2014 at 7:12 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
If her case is sent back for a new trial by the Appeals Court, this book will not help in finding another jury or court in Duke / Durham that has not heard of or been affected by the Duke Lacrosse Case. It is being released before the current Mangum / Me / Duke / Duke/Durham/NC judicial system case is completed, and when a new jury and unbiased court may be needed again soon. The timing is inconsiderate, (or very much duke oriented), to coincide at this time with the current case.

Interesting. Never looked at it that way... however, I think it will all be moot. I believe that the next time Crystal's case goes to court on appeal the conviction will be overturned. I can't see the prosecution wasting more money going after a second trial.; April 3, 2014 at 7:14 AM
A Lawyer said...: Anonymous said...
Why is this case or any case publicized in the media when cases can continue through the appeals court and be sent back to the same inept court with an even greater jury pool tainted by media that tries cases in the court of public opinion and assists in destroying the justice system for revenge, or 'televises' entire trials outright?

Because, under the First Amendment, we have Freedom of the Press in this country.; April 3, 2014 at 7:17 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
I wonder if the DA or AG have investigated the ME autopsy reports yet?

To my knowledge they have not. I have heard back from neither Jim Woodall the Orange County District Attorney nor the Attorney General's Office.; April 3, 2014 at 7:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Cohan is being widely criticized for failure to validate ANY of the assertions made by Nifong......which , as it turns out, were and are fabrications. Shame on Cohan.
Pots calling kettles black, bro. Pots calling kettles black.; April 3, 2014 at 7:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
I wonder if the DA or AG have investigated the ME autopsy reports yet?

To my knowledge they have not. I have heard back from neither Jim Woodall the Orange County District Attorney nor the Attorney General's Office.

That's because as you've been told many, many, many times, it was investigated, and while sloppy, it wasn't criminal - even the Defense expert upheld the ultimate findings. You really need to find someone else to destroy with your ridiculous crusades. You've done enough harm to Mangum. I know you wanted LWOP, but fortunately that didn't happen.; April 3, 2014 at 7:56 AM
Anonymous said...: How could it be investigated when Ms. Mangum recently did a news article and said she was asking for an investigation into the reports. The written report wasn't available until the last day of the trial, with no time to prepare and certainly none to investigate. You are wrong obviously.; April 3, 2014 at 8:06 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous @ April 3, 2014 6:32 AM said...

"Prosecutors dismiss charges all the time..."
~~~~~

Prosecutors file petitions for dismissal all the time. But the dismissal isn't law until accepted by the Court. Until then the case is still active.; April 3, 2014 at 8:10 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Walt [April 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM ] said:

"The Disciplinary Hearing Commission disbarred Nifong. That made him ineligible to serve."

It is definite that being an atty is required to be a DA? Not being snarky about NC law, but there are States where being an atty isn't a requirement to be a Judge.
~~~~~

"Judge Hudson was following the statutory process for removal. Belatedly, but he was following the law. ... Hudson removed him from office following the statute."

Iirc, Hudson's action was possible only because a citizen had previously filed a petition for Nifong's removal. As you said, belatedly, because Brewer had originally filed her petition in early Feb, 2007.

Afaik this is the only way an elected DA can be removed from office (other than losing an election).; April 3, 2014 at 8:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Harr, do you think it would be considered obstruction of justice by the Durham DA for his role in not having the autopsy and medical records investigated immediately in this case? It seems that way.; April 3, 2014 at 8:22 AM
Anonymous said...: Wouldn't it also be considered fraud, waste, and abuse of the justice system and the people who are affected by the 'sloppy' ME reports by Dr. Nichols that have already been proven to have cause harm and unnessecary waste of court and law enforcement time, money, and professional efforts in two murder trials? And of course, abuse of the good will and hard earned dollars of tax payors.; April 3, 2014 at 8:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Prosecutors file petitions for dismissal all the time. But the dismissal isn't law until accepted by the Court. Until then the case is still active.

That is incorrect. The prosecutor signs the dismissal, the Clerk enters it - the Court never sees it, never cares.; April 3, 2014 at 8:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 8:22:

A decision by the Durham DA not to investigate the autopsy and medical records is not obstruction of justice. Prosectors have absolute immunity for all decisions made in a prosecutorial function.

There is no criminal or civil liability for the prosecutor's decision.; April 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM
kenhyderal said...: MEDIA RELEASE By DA Nifong -- April 12, 2007

As you know, on yesterday, Attorney General Roy Cooper announced that his office had made the decision to dismiss the remaining charges in what has come to be known as the Duke Lacrosse Case. * While I certainly take issue with some of Mr. Cooper's comments*, I want to make it clear that I have every confidence in the investigation into the case that was conducted by his office. I have known Jim Coman and Mary Winstead for more than two decades. Both their legal abilities and their commitments to justice are beyond reproach. Obviously, they have had access not only to all the evidence that I had, but also to additional evidence that I have not seen which they developed during their twelve weeks of independent investigation. I have every confidence that the decision to dismiss all charges was the correct decision based on that evidence.

At the same time, it is important to remember that the Attorney General had the opportunity to review this investigation and to make this decision because I requested that he do so. [Copies of my letter making that request and the Attorney General's response thereto are attached.] It is also important to remember that I turned over to him every document, every photograph, every piece of evidence of any kind that had been turned up in the Durham Police Department's investigation of these cases and in my office's review of that investigation. If I did not want to subject either that investigation or my own performance to such scrutiny – if, in other words, I had anything to hide – I could have simply dismissed the cases myself. The fact that I instead chose to seek that review should, in and of itself, call into question the characterizations of this prosecution as "rogue" and "unchecked."

Finally, it is, and has always been, the goal of our criminal justice system to see that the guilty are punished and that the innocent are set free. We all want that system to work perfectly. At the same time, we all know that no system based on human judgment can ever work perfectly. Those of us who work within that system can only make the best judgments we can based on the facts available to us with the understanding that those judgments may have to be modified as more facts become known. That is the process I used in these cases, and that is the process the Attorney General used in these cases. To the extent that I made judgments that ultimately proved to be incorrect, I apologize to the three students that were wrongly accused. I also understand that, whenever someone has been wrongly accused., the harm caused by the accusations might not be immediately undone merely by dismissing them. It is my sincere desire that the actions of Attorney General Cooper will serve to remedy any remaining injury that has resulted from these cases.
discussion:; April 3, 2014 at 4:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

Why did the Durham Police Department not conduct a bona fide investigation?

Why did Nifong not demand one?; April 3, 2014 at 4:55 PM
Anonymous said...: If there is no liability for prosecutors decisions than why did DA's Nifong and Cline get axed for their actions?; April 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "...why did DA's Nifong and Cline get axed for their actions?"

NCGS 7A-66; April 3, 2014 at 5:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 5:25:

Read again what I said. I already answered your question.; April 3, 2014 at 5:41 PM
Anonymous said...: Both of them were involved in prosecutions for which they made the decisions that they got axed for.; April 3, 2014 at 5:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous 5:47:

Read again what I said. I already answered your question.; April 3, 2014 at 6:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Which of the 65 posts on this sharlog contains the answer you refer to?; April 3, 2014 at 6:18 PM
Anonymous said...: The one that triggered your question.; April 3, 2014 at 6:21 PM
Anonymous said...: So can an independent lawyer file a petition for his removal to trigger an investigation by the AG and SBI like Brewer did in the lacrosse case or is that any citizen who can file that request?; April 3, 2014 at 6:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Try Google.; April 3, 2014 at 6:38 PM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal said...

Anonymous @ 6:40 said said: I consider it a great honor and privilege to be able to contribute my posts at J4N' ..... Except, they are not your own posts. The post you made that prompted Dr. Harr to thank you was cut and pasted wholesale from a post I made on a blog of the consultant Criminal Lawyer for Daniel Meier, in his defence of Crystal, Ms. Sarah Jessica Farber. What have you got to say for yourself.

Right on kennyhyderal. Anyone who actually knows Crystal rejects completely the vicious slander, that emananated from The Duke Lacrosse Defence, in an effort to destroy her credibility. These lies are ongoing and widely beleived. None of those who post their poison here have ever met Crystal. I ask them, don't you find it strange that her friends, her professors, her classmates her teachers, her pastor, etc. all have a favorable opinion of her and have provided her with character references. Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother" Crystal is not and never was a prostitute. Crystal is not and never was a drug addict or an alcoholic. Crystal was a responsible parent. Crystal was a responsible member of her community. Crystal, having come from humble circumstances, was working hard to build a better like for herself and her children. Her Pastor advised her not to choose exotic dancing and escorting as a way to support herself because, regardless of her character,such a choice can be fraught with peril.; April 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Anonymous April 3, 2014 at 7:23 PM said...:

"Hearing these references caused Judge Abraham Jones to declared that, from the evidence he heard, he beleived her to be "a good mother"
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Such a "a good mother" that she's doing minimum 14 for murder.

After making unsubstantiated claims of rape in 2002(?).

After making demonstrably false accusations of rape in 2006.

After attacking a prior boyfriend and setting fire to clothes in a house while her kids were there.
*****

Face it, bitch be cray cray. And dangerous to herself, but more especially others, including her chirrens.
*****

P.S. 'escort' = prostitute.; April 3, 2014 at 10:56 PM
Walt said...: Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, at 8:21 wrote: "It is definite that being an atty is required to be a DA? Not being snarky about NC law, but there are States where being an atty isn't a requirement to be a Judge."

Yes it is. Article IV Section 18 of the North Carolina Constitution reads in part: "Only persons duly authorized to practice law in the courts of this State shall be eligible for election or appointment as a District Attorney." Further Articcle IV Section 22 reads in part: "Only persons duly authorized to practice law in the courts of this State shall be eligible for election or appointment as a Justice of the Supreme Court, Judge of the Court of Appeals, Judge of the Superior Court, or Judge of District Court. This section shall not apply to persons elected to or serving in such capacities on or before January 1, 1981."

Thus, for as long as there have been District Attorneys in North Carolina, they have had to be duly admitted attorneys. In fact, before there were District Attorneys, there were Solicitors. Solicitors, under the constitution were required to be dly admitted attorneys as well. Interesting, the attorney requirement for judges only became effective January 1, 1981.

Walt-in-Durham; April 4, 2014 at 6:04 AM
Walt said...: Thanks watchoo! "Because of the lack of evidence and the additional affirmative proof that these crimes did not occur during this time, the Attorney General along with his special prosecutors, Senior Deputy Attorney General James J. Coman and Special Deputy Attorney General Mary D. Winstead, believed it was in the best interest of justice to declare these three individuals innocent of these charges."

Excellent point. The "so called investigative reporter" need only have read the report to figure out Nifong was lying on that point.

Walt-in-Durham; April 4, 2014 at 6:09 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Hey Walt -- Glad to see you back! I know you must hate to be asked by now, but any updates on Sid's lawsuit against North Carolina/Duke?; April 4, 2014 at 8:47 AM
kenhyderal said...: Walt said: "Excellent point. The "so called investigative reporter" need only have read the report to figure out Nifong was lying on that point"......... There is nothing in AG Cooper's Summary of Conclusions that shows when Former DA Nifong expressed his opinion to Cohan that Coman and Winstead were take by surprise at Cooper's proclamation of innocence he was trying to mislead anyone. I'm not surprised that publically they expressed agreement with their boss.; April 4, 2014 at 10:33 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Kenhyderal -- Try reading the article I linked to in Sid's previous blog entry.

First of all, Coman is retired - as such, he doesn't have a "boss"

Secondly, Coman and Winstead wrote the summary of conclusions report.

Finally, Coman was never contacted for the book.; April 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM
Anonymous said...: It would be interesting to know how many times Duke utilized the services of Dr. Nichols after viewing the discrepancies in his autopsy report compared to their own medical reports. What if anything did Duke do about the matter?; April 4, 2014 at 12:07 PM
Anonymous said...: I'm not surprised that publically they expressed agreement with their boss.

Kenny, do you and Sid think that any publicly stated disagreement with you and your opinion is people lying to protect themselves, but secretly/deep down they really think you make sense?; April 4, 2014 at 12:16 PM
Anonymous said...: It would be interesting to know how many times Duke utilized the services of Dr. Nichols after viewing the discrepancies in his autopsy report compared to their own medical reports. What if anything did Duke do about the matter?

Duke doesn't "utilize" the services of the ME. The ME is a State employee, and cannot be hired by outside groups or companies. Duke did their own investigation, I seriously doubt they have ever looked at, or cared about, the Autopsy. It has no relevance to them (unless Daye's family sued for malpractice). They do their own investigation, and come to their own conclusions, and move on.

The ME's report is used by the State.; April 4, 2014 at 12:17 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Dr. Harr, do you think it would be considered obstruction of justice by the Durham DA for his role in not having the autopsy and medical records investigated immediately in this case? It seems that way.

I do not know if it would be considered an obstruction of justice or something lesser such as negligence, but D.A. Stanback should've looked into the matter... especially since I wrote him about seven times in 2012 about the problems with the autopsy report. An objective and true minister of justice-style prosecutor would have dismissed the charges after having realized the discrepancies between the autopsy report and the other medical records. Justice certainly was not served by his inaction with respect to the autopsy report.; April 4, 2014 at 12:24 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I wonder if the DA or AG have investigated the ME autopsy reports yet?

To my knowledge they have not. I have heard back from neither Jim Woodall the Orange County District Attorney nor the Attorney General's Office.

That's because as you've been told many, many, many times, it was investigated, and while sloppy, it wasn't criminal - even the Defense expert upheld the ultimate findings. You really need to find someone else to destroy with your ridiculous crusades. You've done enough harm to Mangum. I know you wanted LWOP, but fortunately that didn't happen.

The Nichols report was sloppy and vague... and false and fraudulent. Even Dr. Roberts did not claim the report was accurate. Her report, itself contained false statements and a misleading and false conclusion in a weak attempt to justify charges against Mangum.

Also, is it you position that perjury is not criminal? Dr. Nichols testified under oath twice that Daye's spleen had been removed eleven days prior to the autopsy... at his April 3rd emergency operation. Yet, his own autopsy report states that the spleen weighed 340 grams, had an intact capsule with sharp angles and was unremarkable reddish brown on sectioning. How do you explain that?; April 4, 2014 at 12:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Her report, itself contained false statements and a misleading and false conclusion in a weak attempt to justify charges against Mangum.

Just like Kenny - only you are infallible - anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and lying. It must be hard to be so perfect.; April 4, 2014 at 1:07 PM
kenhyderal said...: If Cohan succeeds in obtaining the underlying documents, whether there was unanimity for making this, unofficial, declaration of innocence by an AG and what role pressure from the Defence Team played, might be revealed. In the meantime just because former DA Nifong believed that Coman and Winstead, at the time and to his knowledge, were surprised by this unprecedent and legally meaningless declaration, doesn't mean he was trying to mislead Author Cohan or anyone else. Coman and Winstead prepared the report for Cooper and most likely gave him what he needed because of the pressure he was under. Like Crystal, former DA Nifong has been made a pariah and anything he says and does is given a nefarious connotation; April 4, 2014 at 2:54 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: " Coman and Winstead prepared the report for Cooper and most likely gave him what he needed because of the pressure he was under"

I take it you didn't read the article I referenced, so I'll quote Coman directly from that article:

“I was just adamant,” Coman said. “She [Mangum] lied, she made up a story, and damn it, we’ve got to do the right and ethical thing.”; April 4, 2014 at 3:05 PM
Anonymous said...: For Ken Edwards, aka kenhyderal:

You have pointed out on multiple occasions that the sources of the dna found on ms. mangum was never identified. Why was that?

Who found that evidence? None other than Mr. Nifong. What did he do with it. It is part of the historical record that he concealed the finding. For whatever reason, he did not make the finding public. Why? If a rape had taken place, that would indicate that someone other than the men he had suspected had committed the rape. Why did he continue to seek indictments against members of the LaCrosse team after coming up with this finding.

The most likely explanation was that Mr. Nifong was bound and determined to convict members of the Lacrosse team, even though he had evidence they could not have been rapists.

Who made public that discovery? The indicted players' attorneys. When they made that finding public why did Mr. Nifong then try to find out the source? The ball was in his court. It was not the responsibility of the Defense attorneys to find the source. Was it not the responsibility of the DA to find out the source.

I guess the question is, why do you defend Mr. Nifong when if, and I repeat if, there had been a rape he did not try to learn who the rapists were?; April 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM
Anonymous said...: You are an idiot.; April 4, 2014 at 5:01 PM
Anonymous said...: Why is anonymous @4:18 an idiot?; April 4, 2014 at 5:28 PM
guiowen said...: To the 5:01,
You're wrong.; April 4, 2014 at 5:44 PM
Walt said...: Hi Lance, "Hey Walt -- Glad to see you back!"

A couple of weeks in the Caribbean away from the internet for long stretches.

"I know you must hate to be asked by now, but any updates on Sid's lawsuit against North Carolina/Duke?"

Hearings have been set for April 23 in the Federal Courthouse in Durham. The parties are ordered to meet no less than three days before the hearing to determine and advise the court if they need a hearing. I suspect they'll need a hearing.

Walt-in-Durham; April 5, 2014 at 5:11 AM
Walt said...: Anon at 4:18 raises a good point: "...the question is, why do you [kenhyderal] defend Mr. Nifong when if, and I repeat if, there had been a rape he did not try to learn who the rapists were?"

Well kenhyderal, why?

Walt-in-Durham; April 5, 2014 at 5:31 AM
Walt said...: Lance raises two excellent points: "I take it you didn't read the article I referenced,..."

Kenhyderal doesn't seem to read. He seems to be troubled by the facts. They don't support his conclusions, so he ignores them.

"... so I'll quote Coman directly from that article:

“I was just adamant,” Coman said. “She [Mangum] lied, she made up a story, and damn it, we’ve got to do the right and ethical thing.”"

Indeed, it was Coman, Winstead and Cooper who took the ethical course of action and told the truth. Having watched Nifong prosecute three innocent people, drag their names through the dirt, make the most scandalous of allegations about them and lie through the whole thing. Nothing short of justice demanded that Coman, Winstead and Cooper right a grave wrong done by Nifong.

Walt-in-Durham; April 5, 2014 at 5:39 AM
Anonymous said...: The "three innocent men", their school Duke, the justice system politcally controlled and manipulated by their school Duke including national politics and the percent of those who many claim actually own the USA - not 'for the people by the people' any more folks is what people are led to believe and coerced into thinking by the media and politics led and directed in great degree by their school Duke were supportive and willing to suffer the mental, psychological, emotional, social, judicial system, and even life and death of EVERYONE in USA for what? Their party?; April 5, 2014 at 6:04 AM
Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal Supporter said...: Anonymous 5:01 is correct. Anonymous 4:18 is an idiot.

4:18's error is to act as though Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal is a serious poster.

Kenny consistently posts according to his rules. He can make any statement, no matter how outrageous. No evidence is required to support his statements. All readers are required to accept Kenny's statements as true unless one can prove with absolute certainty that a statement cannot possibly be true. Kenny is careful to avoid this. On the other hand, a conclusion by one of his critics cannot be accepted as true unless one can prove with absolute certainty that no other explanation is possible. Probability is irrelevant.

In the current controversy, no one can rely on Coman's past and current statements that he and Winstead fully supported Cooper's decision to conclude that the defendants were innocent. They could have been pressured before and he could be lying now.

Moreover, even if they did support Cooper's decision, no one can prove that Nifong was lying in his recent claim they were blindsided. Despite evidence to the contrary, he may have believed they were.

4:18's attempt to engage Kenny in a serious discussion was foolish. 4:18 should apologize.; April 5, 2014 at 7:31 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Her report, itself contained false statements and a misleading and false conclusion in a weak attempt to justify charges against Mangum.

Just like Kenny - only you are infallible - anyone who disagrees with you is wrong and lying. It must be hard to be so perfect.

I, unlike the Man from Nazareth, am not perfect. Furthermore, I have never professed to be, although some may look at me that way because of my brilliance. I actually have and continue to (on the most rarest of occasions) make mistakes.

The fact is that Dr. Roberts did intentionally mislead when describing the intubation as consisting of three separate instances. The medical record accounts for only two intubations... the first (which was esophageal and precipitated the cardiac arrest), and the second (which was correctly in the trachea and led to the resuscitation of the heart), with no third intubation attempted.; April 5, 2014 at 8:16 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney Harr at April 5, 2014 at 8:16 AM:

Brilliant? Hardly. You have again shown how stupid, deluded and conceited you are.; April 5, 2014 at 8:28 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous April 5, 2014 at 7:31 AM

"4:18's attempt to engage Kenny in a serious discussion was foolish. 4:18 should apologize."

For what? He was trying to goad Kenny to show, for the umpteenth time how stupid and confused he is.; April 5, 2014 at 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny is a troll. He doesn't actually believe the nonsense he posts. His aim is purely to goad other readers into showing their frustration with his inane posts.; April 5, 2014 at 8:34 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

How do you reconcile Crystal's latest story about the broom with your mystery rapist theory?; April 5, 2014 at 9:00 AM
kenhyderal said...: @ Anonymous at 4:18. DA Nifong although believing strongly that Crystal had been raped, knew that without finding Player DNA and dealing with a "wall of silence" from these lawyered up Players, he would be unable convict for rape. He then opted for sexual assault. Yes, he failed to try and identify the DNA, extracted from sperm and unexplained by Crystal's consensual sexual history. That was indeed a failure on his part. Instead he opted for trying to threaten and coerce Players to come forward and tell what they saw. Crystal does not blame former DA Nifong.; April 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny states: DA Nifong although believing strongly that Crystal had been raped,

Kenny, I believe you.

Let's discuss your theory. One must conclude that you believe Nifong was one of the stupidest, laziest, most incompetent DAs ever to hold that post.

He "strongly" believed that she had been raped, yet he didn't ask the DPD to conduct a bona fide investigation. He must really be an idiot.

I find it remarkable that Crystal "does not blame" Nifong. His remarkable incompetence virtually ensured that, if she had been raped, the rapists would escape any punishment. His decision to give dozens of interviews and to prosecute with no evidence other than Crystal's accusation ensured that Crystal's reputation would be dragged publicly through the mud. His innuendo about why male DNA was found in Crystal was inexcusable.

Why did Nifong not insist that the DPD do its job?; April 5, 2014 at 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

How do you reconcile Crystal's latest story about the broom with your mystery rapist theory?; April 5, 2014 at 10:35 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney,

Do you agree with Kenny's recent theory that Nifong was one of the stupidest, laziest, most incompetent DAs ever to hold that post? Although not particularly complimentary to Nifong, it does support your contention that Nifong was honorable.; April 5, 2014 at 10:44 AM
Anonymous said...: Furthermore, I have never professed to be, although some may look at me that way because of my brilliance.

I needed a good laugh. At least you openly acknowledge how delusional and narcissistic you really are. Don't worry, deluded Kenny and the paranoid anonymous still like you, the rest of us realize this whole website and your persona are a joke, and we are just along for the ride.; April 5, 2014 at 12:14 PM
Anonymous said...: So Kenny, in all these years, Crystal never mentioned the broom to you?; April 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Here's the broomstick story....Courtesy of William Cohan.; April 5, 2014 at 1:39 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ April 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM said:

"DA Nifong although believing strongly that Crystal had been raped..."

Difficult to imagine how he came to such strong belief, since he never talked to Crystal about her allegations in detail. Ever.
~~~~~

"...knew that without finding Player DNA ..., he would be unable [to] convict for rape. He then opted for sexual assault."

Wrong again. It wasn't lack of DNA evidence that caused Nifong to change tacks - he'd known that there was no DNA evidence for 8 months. No, he didn't drop the rape charges until ~9 mos into the hoax, when Crystal changed her story yet again.

It's important to recall that the Linwood "interview" with Crystal took place less than a week after the hearing where Meehan imploded, and that evidence of Crystal's several night visitors was revealed.

Nifong dispatched Linwood to 'interview' Crystal in a last-gasp effort to save his ass.

Several important things to remember about Linwood's 'interview'

1) - there was no 2nd interviewer involved, and it was not recorded (both against DPD policies and accepted practice)

2) - this was the first time that anyone from the DA's office had had more than a very short discussion with the false accuser, and

3) - after Crystal conveniently 'remembered' that penile insertion had not been involved, she never mentioned that a broom had been inserted. Odd, that, since now she's (falsely) claiming in re: the SANE exam that "they found, like, wooden pieces. I guess they used a broomstick."; April 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment @ April 5, 2014 at 1:39 PM said...

"Here's the broomstick story....Courtesy of William Cohan."
~~~~~

Right, Lance:

And when I got to the hospital and they took the samples, it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces. Like, I guess they used a broomstick.”

And even Cohan admits in the next paragraph that "None of the records of the medical exams mentioned the discovery of wooden shards in Mangum’s vagina or anus."; April 5, 2014 at 2:12 PM
Anonymous said...: And remind me where Crystal mentioned the broomstick in her interviews with Gottlieb and Himan.; April 5, 2014 at 2:31 PM
Anonymous said...: And how she discussed the broomstick in her written statement.; April 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny, we could really use your help in clearing up the minor confusion over the broomstick.; April 5, 2014 at 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...: I am looking forward to Kenny's explanation of how the broomstick story proves that Crystal is not lying.; April 5, 2014 at 2:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

I also found it interesting to learn that Evans was the player who forced her to have oral sex and who ejaculated in her mouth. I look forward to your explanation of how that occurred without leaving DNA in her mouth, but left other DNA there.; April 5, 2014 at 3:03 PM
Anonymous said...: Nifong should be in the same place Crystal Mangum is - prison.What a couple of scumbags; April 5, 2014 at 3:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny, Why aren't you defending Crystal? Have you abandoned your dear friend?; April 5, 2014 at 3:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Ken Edwards aka Kenhyderal April 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM

You act like the way Crystal behaved in her interviews with AG Cooper. When confronted with inconsistencies, she fabricated.

Mike Nifong had the players for first degree rape in April of 2006 even though he had no forensic evidence, as well as sexual assault.

His office never interviewed Crystal Mangum until December of 2006, about 9 months after the alleged crime. At that time, Crystal Mangum could not recall being penetrated which was a necessary element of rape. That was why Mr. Nifong dropped the rape charges but kept the charge of sexul assault.

Thank you Kenhyderal. I thought I could goad you into making a fool of yourself. You lived down to all my expectatios.; April 5, 2014 at 4:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Ken-ny, Ken-ny, Ken-ny

Ken-ny, Ken-ny, Ken-ny

Ken-ny, Ken-ny, Ken-ny; April 5, 2014 at 5:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey Kenny,

Who's your daddy?; April 5, 2014 at 5:36 PM
kenhyderal said...: Don't forget that Crystal was obscenely threatened with being penetrated with a broomstick. Although the author of this obscenity was not identified by name the incident was attested to by Evans. This outrage was what brought the performance to an end and caused the girls to flee into the bathroom. Crystal felt that she was penetrated anally but didn't see with what. She mentioned this to Wilson and to Coman and Winstead. No DNA was recovered orally but that is not an unusual happening since the ejaculate was spat out.; April 5, 2014 at 9:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny claims: No DNA was recovered orally but that is not a nun usual happening since the ejaculate was spat out.

Every cell? No way.

Kenny, you are a liar.; April 6, 2014 at 3:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

I want you to apologize for your transparent lie.

Spitting out the ejaculate would not eliminate all traces of DNA. You know that.

Your posts normally are much more clever. You normally are sufficiently vague so that you cannot be accused of lying (even if your post is misleading or intellectually dishonest).

Not this time. You lied. I want an apology.; April 6, 2014 at 4:04 AM
Anonymous said...: kenhyderal said...

"Don't forget that Crystal was obscenely threatened with being penetrated with a broomstick. Although the author of this obscenity was not identified by name the incident was attested to by Evans. This outrage was what brought the performance to an end and caused the girls to flee into the bathroom. Crystal felt that she was penetrated anally but didn't see with what. She mentioned this to Wilson and to Coman and Winstead."

April 5, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Versus Crystal's latest statement: "And when I got to the hospital and they took the samples, it was like my skin was coming out like from the inside in my vaginal area and my anal area. And they found, like, wooden pieces. Like, I guess they used a broomstick.”

Of course, now I see how the stories are entirely consistent.; April 6, 2014 at 4:17 AM
Anonymous said...: And where does the mystery rapist fit into all of of this?; April 6, 2014 at 4:21 AM
Anonymous said...: Kenny,

I trust from your lack of reaction to my earlier post that I correctly characterized your view that Nifong was one of the stupidest, laziest, most incompetent DAs in history.

I agree.; April 6, 2014 at 4:48 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ April 5, 2014 at 9:39 PM said...

Don't forget that Crystal was obscenely threatened with being penetrated with a broomstick.
~~~~~

'Obscenely threatened'? Didn't happen, ken, you know that. It was a suggestion only, in lieu of sex toys. Hardly the worst ever made to a stripper/prostitute.

'Mentioned it to Wilson'... 9 mos later. And only a few days after the Nifong/Meehan shell DNA shell game was revealed in open Court.

And now we have her throwing new lies about what the SANE found. Unless you believe that Levicy deliberately omitted the 'pieces of wood'. Even Cohan called her on that one.; April 6, 2014 at 5:44 AM
Anonymous said...: Sidney:

Today is the eighth anniversary of Crystal's written statement. Any comment? You promised several years ago to analyze it.; April 6, 2014 at 8:11 AM
Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal Former Supporter said...: Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal:

I am extremely disappointed with your 9:39 reply. Your "mystery rapists" theory was a clever (if not altogether convincing) attempt to invent a story that was consistent with DNA evidence without being forced to admit that Crystal falsely claimed that she had been sexually assaulted at the party.

By now making the transparently false claim that a failure to find DNA after spitting out semen is "not unusual," you are expose yourself as a liar. I am truly disappointed. I am ashamed that I once offered you my support.; April 6, 2014 at 8:38 AM
kenhyderal said...: That's not a lie but a confirmable fact. Expectoration plus a time lag plus secretion of saliva can and does wash away deposited DNA. In the vagina and the rectum there is not such a quick and similar wash out effect. Before you throw around the epithet "liar" you should do some research.; April 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: " In the vagina and the rectum there is not such a quick and similar wash out effect."

Which is where five samples were located. Five samples that did not match anyone at the party. Five samples that were consistent with at least some of the stories Crystal told, though not all. No ID, no crime.

"Before you throw around the epithet "liar" you should do some research."

I think Crystal established herself as a liar. "I was just adamant,” Coman said. “She [Mangum] lied, she made up a story,...."

Walt-in-Durham; April 6, 2014 at 4:24 PM
Anonymous said...: Walt,

I believe that Kenny was objecting to being called a liar. He maintains he has never intentionally posted an untrue statement on this blog since he began posting years ago. His "mystery rapists" theory, although viewed by some as implausible, cannot be proven false.; April 6, 2014 at 4:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny whiles: you should do some research.

I did.

Oral 2 days
Anal 5 days
Vaginal 7 days; April 6, 2014 at 5:10 PM
Anonymous said...: So, Kenny, we are still waiting for you to explain why Crystal never told you about the broomstick.; April 6, 2014 at 6:29 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Kenny whiles: you should do some research. I did".............. Please site the study. Then, check out this one "The collection of data from findings in cases of sexual assault and the significance of spermatozoa on vaginal anal and oral swabs The Journal of Science and Justice vol 37 pp.99-108- J.E. Allard Ph.D; April 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM
guiowen said...: Let's see if we have this right. Two women were hired to strip at a team party. Unfortunately one of the two (Crystal) was so wasted she couldn't dance. One of the lacrosse players suggested that the other one (Kim) use a broomstick as a sex toy. The women (who had already been paid) decided that this was a good pretext for leaving after about 10 minutes' dancing. On the way out, Kim made a racist comment about white boys. One of the players replied with a similar rejoinder. This led Kim to call 911, saying that they had been insulted by people whom they didn't know.
The men persuaded the women to come back into the house. Crystal just hid in the bathroom.
After a while, the men decided they just wanted to be rid of the women, and one of them helped Crystal (who by then was passed out) into Kim's car.
Afterwards, Crystal claimed she had been raped. The SANE nurse-in-training, Tara Levicy, said that Crystal's condition was "consistent" with rape. This does not mean that there was positive proof of rape, but rather that she could not rule out rape. One thing Lwevicy did not mention was pieces of wood.
Please remember that Levicy did what she could to help Nifong: she was actually a character witness for him at his disbarment hearing. You'd think she would have mentioned wood if there were any traces of it.; April 6, 2014 at 9:57 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; April 6, 2014 at 10:05 PM
kenhyderal said...: W.T.'b.S. said: "And now we have her throwing new lies about what the SANE found" ....... Crystal didn't speculate about what the SANE Nurse found. She only related what it felt like to her; April 6, 2014 at 10:08 PM
guiowen said...: Actually, according to Cohan, Crystal didn't just say that it felt like a broomstick. She told him "And they found, like, wooden pieces."; April 6, 2014 at 10:34 PM
Walt said...: Guiowen wrote: "Actually, according to Cohan, Crystal didn't just say that it felt like a broomstick. She told him "And they found, like, wooden pieces."

A suspension of disbelief is required where kenhyderal is concerned.

Walt-in-Durham; April 7, 2014 at 5:45 AM
Anonymous said...: Ken Edwards aka Kenhyderal April 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM

That source you cited is dated 1997. Have you anything more recent? Are there other sources you can cite?; April 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM
guiowen said...: Walt,
Don't worry. Kenhyderal will figure out a way to reconcile his statement with Crystal's statement (as related by Cohan). Don't forget Kenny is a master debater and so words mean exactly what he wants them to mean -- no more, no less.; April 7, 2014 at 11:57 AM
Anonymous said...: Any statements and evidence that contradict Mangum are further proof of a conspiracy.; April 7, 2014 at 12:52 PM
guiowen said...: So is Cohan also part of the conspiracy?; April 7, 2014 at 1:02 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "...check out this one "The collection of data from findings in cases of sexual assault and the significance of spermatozoa on vaginal anal and oral swabs"..."

Ken -- This document indicates that non-motile sperm is recoverable from the mouth between 2-31 hours. It uses Allard as a resource.; April 7, 2014 at 2:02 PM
kenhyderal said...: In a blind study DNA was only recovered in 17 % of the cases, That left 83 % where known semen was deposited orally ( under laboratory conditions) and DNA from sperm could not be detected. Presumably saliva and swallowing efficiently, washes away semen. Prior to 2 hours 100% detection after 31 hours 0%; April 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM
kenhyderal said...: According to the evidence Crystal gave it was more then just suggesting they use a broomstick in lieu of a sex toy. It was an actual threat of using it on them that made then out of fear flee to the bathroom.; April 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "Prior to 2 hours 100% detection after 31 hours 0%

So...How many hours after the alleged rape was the rape kit used to collect DNA evidence?

Also keep in mind that DNA tests are sensitive enough to detect skin cells and that ejaculation is not required for a DNA match; April 7, 2014 at 3:29 PM
RighteousThug said...: kenhyderal @ April 7, 2014 at 2:31 PM said...

According to the evidence Crystal gave ... It was an actual threat of using it on them that made then out of fear flee to the bathroom.
~~~~~

Riiiight... per the troubled Linwood 'interview' that took place a few days after what happened to turn into the DNA hearing. Looking for any explanation of no DNA to try to salvage the lack of a case. And in that 'interview' Crystal still didn't make a claim of broomstick sex.

Funny thing is, it had been known for months that there was no DNA from lacrosse players - the news in Meehan's testimony was that there was certainly possibly exculpatory evidence of at least 5 other visitors to Crystal's vuhjayjay and ass, and that Meehan and Nifong had endeavoured to conceal that information from the defendants.

The (non-witnessed, non-recorded) at-least-8 mos-late Linwood 'interview' with Crystal showed how desperate the fonger was with his 'case' collapsing around his pointy little head.; April 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "According to the evidence Crystal gave it was more then just suggesting they use a broomstick in lieu of a sex toy"

According to the evidence Kim Roberts gave, it wasn't.; April 7, 2014 at 3:43 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "So...How many hours after the alleged rape was the rape kit used to collect DNA evidence?".......... 9 hours.; April 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM
kenhyderal said...: @ Lance; Roberts elaborated in her interview with Ed Bradley "What happened next would alter the outcome of the entire evening. The women danced for a few minutes until one of the lacrosse players asked them if
they had any sex toys. That player then followed up with a provocative comment about a broomstick.

"He asked about the sex toys. I was not offended about that question. Didn't bother me at all. I told him 'Didn't have any. Good idea though fella. You
know, that would've, you know, eaten up some time,'" Roberts recalls, laughing. "But as soon as I said that, he said 'Don't worry, don't worry, we'll just use this on you.' And I started to think, 'What if they did
really want to use a broomstick?' What if, you know?"

Asked if she felt threatened or intimidated by the broomstick, Roberts tells
Bradley, "Definitely. All of that. Not necessarily completely threatened that he might use that actual broomstick but threatened that if he would say that and I've only been on this dance floor for ten minutes, what's the next step? You know what I mean? What's next? What's the next thing they might say?"

At this point, Roberts says they stopped dancing.; April 7, 2014 at 4:11 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Kenhyderal -- Crystal stated "this one guy said 'we are going to stick a broomstick up your asses.' "

That's a FAR cry from the Roberts statement.

So who's lying?; April 7, 2014 at 4:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Crystal made the allegation about the broomstick threat in her written statement. She also alleged in that statement that numerous players yelled "let's fuck these black bitches" repeatedly. Kim didn't report that.

Again, who's lying?; April 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM
Walt said...: One of the elements of a criminal case is the identity of the criminal beyond a reasonable doubt. DNA evidence is one way to prove identity beyond a reasonable doubt. In this case, it was the only way.

Crystal had been subject to three lineups where she could not pick anyone. Her descriptions were inconsistent with anyone who attended the party. Her names were inconsistent with her descriptions. The last lineup, that according to the DPD was not a lineup, was in complete violation of the DPD's general orders and the standards for admissible evidence.

Nifong had a huge problem in March 2006. He had no way of identifying anyone beyond a reasonable doubt. At that point, Crystal had given no identifications at all and her descriptions were terrible. So, Nifong, or more likely Klein, knew that DNA was the only way to make an ID that would be admissible in court. So, he turned to the SBI lab to make an ID. To improve their chances, he got the dubious non-testimonial order (NTO) against all but one lacrosse team member.

With the DNA obtained from the dubious NTO, Nifong gave the SBI lab the best chance to make a positive ID. Hence his early statement that DNA would clear the innocent and identify the guilty. There was one problem. The SBI came back with no matches. They did identify some of Crystal's consensual partners who had apparently made deposits and given elimination samples. But they had five unknowns.

With five separate unknown donors, Nifong turned to DNASI Lab for differential DNA testing. DNASI promised that differential DNA testing would yield matches, if they were in the database or from the NTO. Well, DNASI came up with the same result as the SBI, no match. That leaves us with five potential rapists, if you believe there was a rape at some time between March 12 and March 16. (The time period when samples could be expected to survive in Crystal's apparently un-washed nether regions.)

The significance in this case is not that DNA proved a rape happened, or did not happen. What DNA proves is none of the people tested did it. There are five possibilities, but we'll probably never track them down and have a viable case because of the other problems with the case.

What we do know is, Crystal lied about Reade Seligman, Colin Finnerty and David Evans raping her.

Walt-in-Durham; April 7, 2014 at 6:30 PM
Anonymous said...: "So is Cohan also part of the conspiracy?"

Sure. Why not?; April 7, 2014 at 6:37 PM
kenhyderal said...: Victims of a traumatic sexual assault frequently make errors identifying their assailants. This happened to Crystal in the case of Seligman and Finnerty. The Durham Police, DA Nifong, AG Cooper and his assistants all failed, in their investigation to complete a comprehensive list of all person who were present. Had this happened the perpetrators, from among the score of non-Player attendees, would have been revealed. Some Players, though, were involved in kidnapping, robbery and sexual assault. With the botched investigation there was no way a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt could be obtained. Cooper was under relentless pressure by the Defence Lawyers, their well connected Families, a host of determined Bloggers and virtually all the Media to declare innocence and end any meaningful investigation to find the truth. As well, he wanted to protect The State from any possible litigation. I'm off line for several days. I'm going to be on my was to Canada; April 7, 2014 at 9:01 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Is there any way we can get you to stop whining?; April 7, 2014 at 9:20 PM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: kenhyderal @ April 7, 2014 at 9:01 PM said...

Victims of a traumatic sexual assault frequently make errors identifying their assailants. This happened to Crystal in the case of Seligman and Finnerty.

But not Evans, eh? Crusty Crystal hasn't ever backed off of her IDs, has she?

"Errors", even having been given at least 4 tries, all of which were fatally tainted by their inherent bias.
~~~~~

kenhyderal said...

The Durham Police, DA Nifong, AG Cooper and his assistants all failed, in their investigation to complete a comprehensive list of all person who were present. Had this happened the perpetrators, from among the score of non-Player attendees, would have been revealed.

If true, that shouldn't be too surprising. The AG's investigation did interview far more attendees than Nifong's police detail ever did.

"Victims of a traumatic sexual assault" & The perpetrators"... assumes facts not in evidence, that a 'traumatic sexual assault' actually occurred. Evidence, including Crusty's continually-changing stories and other testimony ('it's a crock'), indicate otherwise.

"score" - wow, at least 20 more attendees?
~~~~~

kenhyderal said...

Cooper was under relentless pressure ... to declare innocence and end any meaningful investigation to find the truth.

People say that like there's something untoward here. A zealous defense is nothing wrong. Remember, no evidence that an assault occurred / compelling evidence that one did not + dummied up IDs = innocent.

"end any meaningful investigation to find the truth" - the AG investigation was far more extensive than the fonger's. Bent over backwards to hear out Crusty, and she just kept making shit up
~~~~

kenhyderal said...

"As well, he wanted to protect The State from any possible litigation."

Never an issue, the State always has immunity. Cities, rogue procesutors and police as individuals, not so much.; April 8, 2014 at 5:13 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Furthermore, I have never professed to be, although some may look at me that way because of my brilliance.

I needed a good laugh. At least you openly acknowledge how delusional and narcissistic you really are. Don't worry, deluded Kenny and the paranoid anonymous still like you, the rest of us realize this whole website and your persona are a joke, and we are just along for the ride.

Hah! The joke will be on you when Crystal is released and her conviction overturned.; April 8, 2014 at 7:03 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Sidney:

Today is the eighth anniversary of Crystal's written statement. Any comment? You promised several years ago to analyze it.

What statement? Refresh my senile memory.; April 8, 2014 at 7:07 AM
Walt said...: Kenhyderal wrote: "Victims of a traumatic sexual assault frequently make errors identifying their assailants."

Which is why DNA was so important to this case. As it was, DNA excluded the three people Nifong and Crystal decided to prosecute.

"...The Durham Police, DA Nifong, AG Cooper and his assistants all failed, in their investigation to complete a comprehensive list of all person who were present."

Not at all. The tenants of the Buchanan Street house gave lists of their guests. Those were all the lacrosse team members but one who was away. It is worth noting for the record, those statements were given at the beginning of the investigation without counsel and without invocation of the Fifth Amendment.

...Some Players, though, were involved in kidnapping, robbery and sexual assault."

No, they were not. There is no evidence of any kidnapping, robbery or sexual assault.

"... Cooper was under relentless pressure by the Defence Lawyers, their well connected Families, a host of determined Bloggers and virtually all the Media to declare innocence and end any meaningful investigation to find the truth."

In a way, we agree, the media was pressuring Cooper to end the meaningful investigation, though to support their untruthful early reporting. The fact is, the career prosecutors did conduct a meaningful investigation and found that Crystal lied. The found she lied not once, but many times.

"As well, he wanted to protect The State from any possible litigation."

Cooper may be a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. He knows better than most lawyers about North Carolina's soverign immunity, as Watchoo correctly points out above. Among Watchoo's many correct points above.

Walt-in-Durham; April 8, 2014 at 7:10 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY. LISTEN UP.
Important announcement!!

New sharlog under construction... hopefully posted tomorrow, no later than Thursday.

As you were.; April 8, 2014 at 7:12 AM
Anonymous said...: Walt, as usual, your post is GREAT....clear, accurate, factual, and directly to the point. Thank you for continuing to provide useful information. It's a breath of fresh air from this silly site that usually smells like racist dribbl.e; April 8, 2014 at 7:52 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Walt, a comment on your suggestion that SBI found DNA in the rape kit:

My recollection is that SBI testing found no semen at all.

Per a Brad Bannon lecture (non-verbatim notes):

"April 10, 2006: SBI lab report:

Tests for semen, all were negative. The SBI didn’t do testing on those items for DNA because there was no semen."; April 8, 2014 at 8:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Ah, now we have Mangum claiming that somebody inserted a wooden object into her, uh, private areas.....leaving wood splinters behind. No such statement was EVER made before. No such report by anybody who examined her uncovered wood residue inside her. No such statement from any law enforcement, physician, attorney or otherwise....EVER noted any allegation that she had been penetrated by a broom handle or any other wooden object. NOW, we get yet another version of events from Mangum......was she levitating when this happened? Being swung by her heels? Raped, sodomized, and forced to give oral sex to three, five, nine or 15 men? Did or did not Reade S. force her? Yes, he did....later, no he didn't. Did they or did they not use condoms? No, they didn't....later, yes they did.
This happened at X time, no, it was Y time, or, maybe it was W time? Mangum continues to run her mouth with the "Rape by those evil rich white boys" stories......such bullshit....
still trying to sell it, Mangum....still trying to make money....still so brain-screwed she wouldn't know the truth if it inserted itself in her, as Walt puts it so delicatedly, nether regions.; April 8, 2014 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous said...: KC is continuing his series of comments on Cohan's book. Check it out. Excellent.; April 8, 2014 at 10:46 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong appears to be the only non-incarcerated person on Crusty's side who was willing to talk to Cohan.

Good news is that the fonger obviously won't be getting his license back.

KC Johnson - Cohan Lax on Prosecutorial Ethics; April 8, 2014 at 12:38 PM
Anonymous said...: There is a new documentary out that talks about the Kennedy family and how the Nazis have hid in the Republican party and are the source of the assassins within the Kennedy family, including John Jr.'s plane crash, which it delves into in detail. It can be found on Netflix streaming videos.; April 8, 2014 at 1:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Funny, Papa Joe was all OK with Adolph and the lads.; April 8, 2014 at 2:03 PM
Anonymous said...: The German Socialist Party hid out in the Republican Party? That is Kennyesque.; April 8, 2014 at 2:16 PM
Anonymous said...: You would probably need to watch the documentary before you start throwing credible insults around. His opposition to the Vietnam War and the murderous greed of the military complex for wars was stated as the reason for the assassination of John F. Kennedy in the film.; April 8, 2014 at 2:25 PM
Anonymous said...: It's sad, the Dr. Roberts' report isn't the bombshell Sid claims, in fact, it largely shows he's full of crap, so the blog devolves back into obsessing over the Lacrosse case, and Nazis?; April 8, 2014 at 3:07 PM
Anonymous said...: you are the only one obsessing over nazis and the lacrosse case; April 8, 2014 at 3:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Is it just me, or are the shlogs - and the comments they generate - getting progressively worse?; April 8, 2014 at 4:01 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...
Nifong appears to be the only non-incarcerated person on Crusty's side who was willing to talk to Cohan.

Good news is that the fonger obviously won't be getting his license back.

KC Johnson - Cohan Lax on Prosecutorial Ethics

I've been willing and available to talk to Mr. Cohan, but he never contacted me. Ergo, your premise is shot to pieces.; April 9, 2014 at 7:07 AM
Whatchoo tawkin 'bout, Sidney? said...: Nifong Supporter @ April 9, 2014 at 7:07 AM said...

I've been willing and available to talk to Mr. Cohan, but he never contacted me.

I cannot imagine why not, Sidney. Perhaps he only had one set of kneepads...

Suffice it to say that Cohan's list of interviewees is short indeed. Shorter still if one insists on credible interviewees.

This does beg the question, tho - where exactly were you when the hoax was in full swing? Mar, 2006 - July, 2007.

I do not recall ever hearing anything from you during that period.; April 9, 2014 at 8:24 AM

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