justice4nifong: N & O Editorial: "Save the Nigerian girls"... but not Crystal Mangum

Sunday, May 11, 2014

N & O Editorial: "Save the Nigerian girls"... but not Crystal Mangum

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guiowen said...: Sidney,
Why can't you leave the poor benighted woman alone? It's just possible that this way she'll receive the psychiatric care she needs.If you, Kenny,and the anti-Duke troll have your way, she'll come out even worse than she went in.; May 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Where did you obtain the transcripts?

I'm just curious... Why do you want to know? Does that make a difference? Give me a response, and then I will answer you question.; May 11, 2014 at 10:40 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Again you argue that your favorite murderess get a pass for her crimes.

To compare her to the hundreds of innocent Nigerian girls kidnapped by terrorists is truly blasphemous.

Have you ever wondered why your acolyte KENHYDERAL is so fascinated by the idea of a woman being brutally gang raped. Do you ever wonder what is really in his mind/; May 11, 2014 at 10:41 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"I'm just curious... Why do you want to know? Does that make a difference? Give me a response, and then I will answer you question."

Which means you do not have the transcripts or you obtained them illegally and you are trying to save yourself from prosecution.; May 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: guiowen said...
Sidney,
Why can't you leave the poor benighted woman alone? It's just possible that this way she'll receive the psychiatric care she needs.If you, Kenny,and the anti-Duke troll have your way, she'll come out even worse than she went in.

gui, mon ami, Shirley you jest. Crystal nearly died in the woman's prison due to medical neglect. How can you seriously believe that anything positive can come to her in such a hostile environment?

She needs to be released from confinement... the sooner, the better. That will be the first positive step towards healing her mental and physical health.; May 11, 2014 at 10:44 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

Again you argue that your favorite murderess get a pass for her crimes.

To compare her to the hundreds of innocent Nigerian girls kidnapped by terrorists is truly blasphemous.

Have you ever wondered why your acolyte KENHYDERAL is so fascinated by the idea of a woman being brutally gang raped. Do you ever wonder what is really in his mind/

Mangum's not a murderess. She's the victim of a vendetta.; May 11, 2014 at 10:46 AM
Anonymous said...: It matters to know where you got the transcripts to know if they are reliable, or just something you've made up, especially since you are going to use portions not televised. What is our assurance they are trustworthy if we don't know their source?; May 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"gui, mon ami, Shirley you jest. Crystal nearly died in the woman's prison due to medical neglect. How can you seriously believe that anything positive can come to her in such a hostile environment?"

You have a history of distorting and misrepresenting facts. Provide some factual evidence that this indeed happened to Crystal. You keep insisting Crystal was raped at the Lacrosse party in the face of overwhelming evidence she lied.

"She needs to be released from confinement... the sooner, the better. That will be the first positive step towards healing her mental and physical health."

Why? So she can commit more crimes?; May 11, 2014 at 12:22 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Mangum's not a murderess. She's the victim of a vendetta."

Crystal is a murderess. There was no vendetta against Crystal. You have never presented any evidence of a vendetta.; May 11, 2014 at 12:24 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

You dodged the question.

What do you think of the morbid fascination your acolyte KENHYDERAL with a gang rape which never happened.; May 11, 2014 at 12:26 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

It is extreme blasphemy to compare convicted murderess Crystal Mangum to the innocent girls kidnapped by Boko Haram.; May 11, 2014 at 12:32 PM
Anonymous said...: g... you are wrong (as you put it repeatedly during your 'you are wrong' evil duke troll phase ya had a bit back at my expense), i'm an anti evil duke troll gang person cuz ya'll think it's ok to beat up on anyone who does not bow to duke and believe their bs, your bs, and their and your bs ways.

Why do you think she has to receive psychiatric care in prison vs. in the community - and if she did - do you actually and truly think she will leave prison better (vs. worse) than she was when she went in? Seriously? Why? If you read the news, you would know that notion is wrong ... but maybe being wrong is what your all about. Is it?; May 11, 2014 at 1:22 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

Your repeated proclamations of Crystal's innocence are of no significance whatsoever.; May 11, 2014 at 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...: AnonymousMay 11, 2014 at 1:22 PM

"Why do you think she has to receive psychiatric care in prison vs. in the community"

She is a convicted murderess with violent tendencies. Comprende?

"- and if she did - do you actually and truly think she will leave prison better (vs. worse) than she was when she went in?"

Well, over the year betwee her cab theft incident and her murder conviction she racked up a number of criminal charges and convictions, many of ehich involved violence. So, if she gets treatment when she is in, she will come out better.; May 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "What do you think of the morbid fascination your acolyte KENHYDERAL with a gang rape which never happened"....... This is just the latest line of attack suggesting anyone who was outraged by the sexual assault Crystal endured has deviate rape fantasies. Statements like this are not going to endear you to any women who were victims of sexual assault or to those who care for them. It's a twist on saying women have rape fantasies and secretly longed to be raped. This says more about the mindset of a person who makes such suggestion then it does about victims and their loved-ones; May 11, 2014 at 3:49 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "You have never presented any evidence of a vendetta:.... Go to Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers. This blog has published daily for years and continuously trashes Crystal. Unlike this blog there are no dissenting opinions ever entered. Supposedly the liar they are trying to stop is Crystal. They've recently extended their attach to Wm. Cohan who like Crystal they perceive to be a threat to the meta-narrative they so desperately want to sell.; May 11, 2014 at 3:59 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"This is just the latest line of attack suggesting anyone who was outraged by the sexual assault Crystal endured has deviate rape fantasies."

Since the sexual assault Crystal allegedly endured never happened(KENNY has never provided any credible evidence it did) no one can be legitimately outraged over it.

"Statements like this are not going to endear you to any women who were victims of sexual assault or to those who care for them."

That leaves out Crystal, you and SIDNEY.

"It's a twist on saying women have rape fantasies and secretly longed to be raped. This says more about the mindset of a person who makes such suggestion then it does about victims and their loved-ones".

No, it is saying KENHYDERAL has provided no credible evidence that the alleged rape ever happened. And it is asking, why does KENHYDERAL spend a lot of time dwelling on an alleged sexual assault he can not prove? Is it because he actually likes dwelling on thoughts of some woman being brutally gang raped.

There was nothing in here about blaming real victims of rape. Crystal was not the victim of a violent sexual assault. She falsely accused men of raping her. That does more to harm real rape victims than my pointing out KENNY's seeming obsession.; May 11, 2014 at 4:02 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"'Anonymous said: "You have never presented any evidence of a vendetta:.... Go to Duke Lacrosse Liestoppers."

I have been. The appropriately named liestoppers has never conducted any vendetta against Crystal. Liestoppers refutes the lies the Crystal supporters promulgate, e.g. the lie that Crystal was the victim of a violent gang rape.

"This blog has published daily for years and continuously trashes Crystal."

No it hasn't.

"Unlike this blog there are no dissenting opinions ever entered."

Which is KENHYDERAL complaining because the appropriately named Liestoppers will not publish his lies.

"Supposedly the liar they are trying to stop is Crystal."

That is because it has been documented that Crystal lied when she falsely accused members of the Lacrosse team of raping her. In her memoir she also lied about the episode in which she stole a cab.

"They've recently extended their attach to Wm. Cohan who like Crystal they perceive to be a threat to the meta-narrative they so desperately want to sell."

The truth is, Crystal lied about being raped. Cohan is trying to perpetuate Crystal's lies. And, like KENHYDERAL and SIDNEY HARR, he has provided no, repeat no, credible factual evidence to support his contention that something did happen in there. Cohan, like Crystal and SIDNEY and KENNY is a liar.; May 11, 2014 at 4:27 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Let's turn to another issue. Neither you nor SIDNEY nor corrupt DA NIFONG ever provided any credible evidence that Crystal was raped.; May 11, 2014 at 4:28 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Why do you spend so much of your time obsessing about a violent gang rape which never happened, a violent gang rape which you have never even come close to proving.

That does not say that much good goes on inside your head.; May 11, 2014 at 4:30 PM
Anonymous said...: The girls are innocent victims.Crystal Mangum is a liar,prostitute,car thief,and murderer.; May 11, 2014 at 6:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Duke lacrosse just beat Air Force in the first round of the NCAA tournament.The Blue Devils are real winners all the way unlike Nifong and Mangum who are born losers.; May 11, 2014 at 6:20 PM
Anonymous said...: William Cohan's compendium of lies about the Duke Lacrosse hoax has a positive review on Barnes and Noble. Only, no one wrote anything about the book. They just rated it positively. Most likely Bill himself left the review.; May 11, 2014 at 6:42 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

How come you can not furnish any factual, credible evidence that this alleged gang rape you obsess over ever happened?; May 11, 2014 at 6:43 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "It is extreme blasphemy to compare convicted murderess Crystal Mangum to the innocent girls kidnapped by Boko Haram"... There are many parallels. Both were simply trying to further their education in order to better their situation. Both were kidnapped. Presumably the Nigerian school girls, like Crystal was, are now being sexually abused. The fundamentalist Boko Harum think that women getting an Education is sinful and their role is to submit to their male masters. The Duke Lacrosse apologists see attempting to prosecute spoiled princelings for sexual assault as a sin against their male privilege.; May 11, 2014 at 9:31 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Which is KENHYDERAL complaining because the appropriately named Liestoppers will not publish his lies"... I have never tried nor would I ever attempt to post anything on a blog whose raison d'etre is to destroy Crystal Mangum and canonize the Duke Lacrosse thugs.; May 11, 2014 at 9:39 PM
guiowen said...: Kenny,
Please stop whining. No one believes you.; May 11, 2014 at 11:11 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "It is extreme blasphemy to compare convicted murderess Crystal Mangum to the innocent girls kidnapped by Boko Haram"... There are many parallels."

No there aren't. That is why it is akin to blasphemy to compare convicted murderess/false accuser Crystal to these kidnapped Nigerian girls.

"Both were simply trying to further their education in order to better their situation."

Crystal wasn't.

"Both were kidnapped."

You have presented no credible factual evidence that Crystal was.

"Presumably the Nigerian school girls, like Crystal was, are now being sexually abused."

No one sexually abused Crystal. You have presented no credible factual evidence that Crystal was. The evidence which was developed showed Crystal lied about being sexually assaulted.

'The fundamentalist Boko Harum think that women getting an Education is sinful and their role is to submit to their male masters. The Duke Lacrosse apologists see attempting to prosecute spoiled princelings for sexual assault as a sin against their male privilege."

The Lacrosse players were falsely accused of assaulting Crystal. The people who defended them were standing up for the truth, something you are pitifully incapable of recognizing.

What you are actually saying is that Crystal should get a pass for her anti social, criminal behavior because she is black.

There are NO parallels between Crystal and the kidnapped innocent Nigerian girls.; May 12, 2014 at 3:49 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAK:

"Anonymous said: "Which is KENHYDERAL complaining because the appropriately named Liestoppers will not publish his lies"... I have never tried nor would I ever attempt to post anything on a blog whose raison d'etre is to destroy Crystal Mangum and canonize the Duke Lacrosse thugs."

You do not publish on the appropriately named Liestoppers because Liestoppers does not publish lies, which is the sum total of what you have published on J4N.

Liestoppers defends the innocent, falsely accused Lacrosse players against the lies promulgated by Crystal, you, Cohan and SIDNEY. You object to liestoppers because "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!(acknowledgement to A Few Good Men).; May 12, 2014 at 3:52 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Why can't you provide any credible factual proof that Crystal was raped.

It is because Crystal lied about being raped and you bought into her lie.

Probably because you have something about thinking about women who have been gang raped.; May 12, 2014 at 3:53 AM
Anonymous said...: Idiotic.....to compare these true victims of horrible crimes to a convicted murderer. what next, Bro? Wanna have the Jews apologize to Hitler because he was the victim of abuse by evil white people?
What kind of lunatic compares a drug using murdering prostitute to little girls who are dragged off by men, tortured, and raped? You!; May 12, 2014 at 7:29 AM
Anonymous said...: Will SIDNEY next try to compare Crystal favorably to Mother Theresa? It would not surprise me.; May 12, 2014 at 8:49 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "What kind of lunatic compares a drug using murdering prostitute to little girls who are dragged off by men, tortured, and raped? You!"...... No not me. I've compared Crystal with them. Crystal does not abuse drugs, has not murdered anyone and has never engaged in prostitution.; May 12, 2014 at 9:37 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Anonymous said: "What kind of lunatic compares a drug using murdering prostitute to little girls who are dragged off by men, tortured, and raped? You!"...... No not me."

Yes you. Or haven't you read your post of May 11, 2014 at 9:31 PM?

"I've compared Crystal with them."

So you admit you have compared "a drug using murdering prostitute" to the innocent little girls kidnapped by Boka Haram.

"Crystal does not abuse drugs, has not murdered anyone and has never engaged in prostitution."

The public record, which started before Crystal became notorious for being the false accuser in the Duke rape hoax and which is a compilatio of her less than savory activity, not something manufactured because of a non existent vendetta, says differently.; May 12, 2014 at 9:56 AM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 12, 2014 at 10:16 AM
kenhyderal said...: The public record shows Crystal blew over the limit at age 21. That does not qualify labeling her as a drug user. Nor can how the N&0 sensationalized the incident at the time be considered as "public record". Suggesting that Crystal was a drug addicted prostitute is vicious and evil gossip. Remember the Bible likens gossipers to murderers; May 12, 2014 at 10:18 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"The public record shows Crystal blew over the limit at age 21. That does not qualify labeling her as a drug user."

No, but using multiple drugs, going to ERs to seek drugs, showing up at an interview with the AG team investigating the alleged Duke rape all do.

"Nor can how the N&0 sensationalized the incident at the time be considered as "public record"."

The records compiled by the police at the time of the incident showing Crystal did steal the cab, did drive recklessly, was legally drunk and did try to run down an officer are part of the public record. Crystal's attempt to cover up her behavior by passing off the Ed Clark version as the truth, now that is not part of the public record of what happened. That is a self serving lie.

"Suggesting that Crystal was a drug addicted prostitute is vicious and evil gossip. Remember the Bible likens gossipers to murderers".

Based on the public record it is the truth and not the work of gossipers. Calling the innocent Lacrosse players rapists, now that is vicious gossip. Be careful what you wish for.

What does the Bible say about bearing false witness.

This is from Shakespeare and is applicable to your situation: “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek, A goodly apple rotten at the heart. O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”; May 12, 2014 at 10:36 AM
Walt said...: Again, Sid seems to be out of touch with reality comparing the innocent victims of kidnapping terrorists to a convicted felon.

Let's review, Crystal Gail Mangum, convicted of Murder in the Second Degree for knifing her live in lover. Crystal Gail Mangum convicted of contributing to the delinquincy of a minor, injury to personal property and resisting a public officer. Lied multiple times to police and special prosecutors in the lacrosse hoax. Before that, she was convicted of larceny, speeding to avoid arrest, assault on a public officer and DWI.

With a record like that, Crystal has proven she is beyond rehabilitation by any means other than custody provided by the Department of Corrections. Without question she is in the place she needs to be. Will she be rehabilitated? Given her age, the severity of her most recent crime, the length of her sentence, I think the chances are slightly better than even that the DOC can rehabilitate her. Of course with "friends" like Sid and Kenny, she is getting no help. They are undermining every attempt she has made since 2006 at rehabilitation. As I have written many times before, with friends like Sid, Crystal doesn't need any enemies.

Walt-in-Durham; May 12, 2014 at 11:23 AM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
If you and Sidney really want to rehabilitate Crystal,then you should collaborate with the department of corrections and teach her to control herself. Maybe she can be rehabilitated and, with some luck, she will be let out to a half-way house sometime around 2022.
If instead you spend all your time telling her that all she does is right, that she's just the victim of a carpetbagger jihad, etc., then she'll be out around 2027 and will soon be back in trouble. It's that simple.
By the way, Kenny, stop trying to tell us about the bible. We all know the devil can quote scripture; he's currently doing this through you.; May 12, 2014 at 11:32 AM
Anonymous said...: You trolls don't actually believe the propaganda that your spouting do you?; May 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 12, 2014 at 11:36 AM

I do not believe the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and unredeemably stupid.; May 12, 2014 at 12:58 PM
Anonymous said...: You are a troll with only propoganda that consists mainly of hate filled slander and abuse of Ms. Mangum, Dr. Harr, Kenny, and anyone not in your evil duke troll gang or knowledgeable enough to not be brainwashed by your hate crimes - who all become your hate crime victims as well.; May 12, 2014 at 1:56 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
It matters to know where you got the transcripts to know if they are reliable, or just something you've made up, especially since you are going to use portions not televised. What is our assurance they are trustworthy if we don't know their source?

You made a somewhat reasonable response... somewhat. However I agreed to divulge from whence I received the transcripts in return for any reason given for the question... ergo I will inform you that I received copies of the transcript from Mangum's Appeals attorney Ann Petersen.

I hope that satisfactorily answers your question.; May 12, 2014 at 2:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 12, 2014 at 1:56 PM:

I do not believe the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and unredeemably stupid.; May 12, 2014 at 2:28 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"However I agreed to divulge from whence I received the transcripts in return for any reason given for the question... ergo I will inform you that I received copies of the transcript from Mangum's Appeals attorney Ann Petersen."

You blogged recently that Ms Petersen was not responding to your calls. It raises the question whether or not you used an illegal method to "receive" the copies.; May 12, 2014 at 2:30 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Walt said...
Again, Sid seems to be out of touch with reality comparing the innocent victims of kidnapping terrorists to a convicted felon.

Let's review, Crystal Gail Mangum, convicted of Murder in the Second Degree for knifing her live in lover. Crystal Gail Mangum convicted of contributing to the delinquincy of a minor, injury to personal property and resisting a public officer. Lied multiple times to police and special prosecutors in the lacrosse hoax. Before that, she was convicted of larceny, speeding to avoid arrest, assault on a public officer and DWI.

With a record like that, Crystal has proven she is beyond rehabilitation by any means other than custody provided by the Department of Corrections. Without question she is in the place she needs to be. Will she be rehabilitated? Given her age, the severity of her most recent crime, the length of her sentence, I think the chances are slightly better than even that the DOC can rehabilitate her. Of course with "friends" like Sid and Kenny, she is getting no help. They are undermining every attempt she has made since 2006 at rehabilitation. As I have written many times before, with friends like Sid, Crystal doesn't need any enemies.

Walt-in-Durham

Walt, just because Mangum was convicted doesn't that she was actually responsible for his death. First of all, the proximate cause of Daye's death was an esophageal intubation... his death had nothing to do with the stab wound (from which a full recovery was expected).

Regarding the 2010 incident, yes, Mangum did vandalize property, but the other charges (delinquency of a minor and interfering with an officer) were hogwash.

Crystal is just as much a victim of a vendetta-driven racist legal system as the Nigerian girls are of Islamic terrorists. The only problem is that the mainstream media is colluding in the victimization of Mangum when it is in position to shed light and help free her from the injustice.; May 12, 2014 at 2:34 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"However I agreed to divulge from whence I received the transcripts in return for any reason given for the question... ergo I will inform you that I received copies of the transcript from Mangum's Appeals attorney Ann Petersen."

You blogged recently that Ms Petersen was not responding to your calls. It raises the question whether or not you used an illegal method to "receive" the copies.

I'm not one to let grass grow under my feet... especially when an innocent person is incarcerated. I may have been impatient waiting to hear from her, but I finally did receive an e-mail, and subsequently she sent the transcripts.

It's really that simple. You can read more complexity into it if you want, but doing so is nothing more than a waste of time.; May 12, 2014 at 2:37 PM
Anonymous said...: You made a somewhat reasonable response... somewhat. However I agreed to divulge from whence I received the transcripts in return for any reason given for the question... ergo I will inform you that I received copies of the transcript from Mangum's Appeals attorney Ann Petersen.

I hope that satisfactorily answers your question.

It did, and I appreciate the response. Thanks.; May 12, 2014 at 2:39 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
Will SIDNEY next try to compare Crystal favorably to Mother Theresa? It would not surprise me.

No, but gender aside, I would compare her to O. J. Simpson... vilified by the media and a victim of vendetta-legal system.; May 12, 2014 at 2:39 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Walt, just because Mangum was convicted doesn't that she was actually responsible for his death."

Yes it does.

"First of all, the proximate cause of Daye's death was an esophageal intubation..."

No it wasn't.

"his death had nothing to do with the stab wound (from which a full recovery was expected)."

The stab wound was the cause of his death.

"Regarding the 2010 incident, yes, Mangum did vandalize property, but the other charges (delinquency of a minor and interfering with an officer) were hogwash."

"Crystal is just as much a victim of a vendetta-driven racist legal system as the Nigerian girls are of Islamic terrorists. The only problem is that the mainstream media is colluding in the victimization of Mangum when it is in position to shed light and help free her from the injustice."

Untrue. Crystal received justice when she was convicted. She killed Reginald Daye. She was no victim of anyone except herself. Her own criminal and violent behavior caused her conviction.

The Nigerian girls, on the other hand, are victims.

What an amoral lump of stinking pig s--t you are.; May 12, 2014 at 3:26 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"I'm not one to let grass grow under my feet... especially when an innocent person is incarcerated. I may have been impatient waiting to hear from her, but I finally did receive an e-mail, and subsequently she sent the transcripts.

It's really that simple. You can read more complexity into it if you want, but doing so is nothing more than a waste of time."

Well, you are lying about advocating for an innocent person who was wrongfully incarcerated. You are advocating for Crystal Mangum, convicted murderess. You, like KENNY, believe she should get a pass for her crimes because she is black.

Since you lie about that, no one can be sure about what else you lie about.; May 12, 2014 at 3:29 PM
kenhyderal said...: But unlike Simpson Crystal is innocent of murder.; May 12, 2014 at 3:31 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"No, but gender aside, I would compare her to O. J. Simpson... vilified by the media and a victim of vendetta-legal system."

How appropriate, comparing one murderer to another. There is a difference. OJ got a pass for killing Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman-his dream team persuaded the jury that they did not want to convict a black man for killing two white people. Fortunately, in Crystal's case she did not get a pass for killing her victim and justice was served.

Neither you nor KENNY have provided any credible factual evidence that there is or ever has been a vendetta against Crystal.; May 12, 2014 at 3:33 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"But unlike Simpson Crystal is innocent of murder."

No she isn't. She was proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Your proclamation of her innocence has no weight at all, by any parameter you care to measure.

You have never provided any credible factual evidence she was raped. Ergo, she should have been prosecuted and convicted of filing a false police report. She got a break.; May 12, 2014 at 3:35 PM
kenhyderal said...: My post of 3:31 was meant in response to Dr. Harr's post of 2:39; May 12, 2014 at 3:35 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "She got a break".... AG Cooper would not have dared to charge Crystal with filing a false report. He, under extreme pressure, just wanted to put this case to rest. He realized trying to prove that Crystal filed a false report might backfire and call into question his hasty and precipitous declaration that the case was over and those charged were innocent of any and all charges.; May 12, 2014 at 3:43 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"My post of 3:31 was meant in response to Dr. Harr's post of 2:39"

Regardless you got it wrong the way you compared Crystal and OJ. They are both murderers, even if OJ got a break from a racist pro black jury.; May 12, 2014 at 3:56 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: "If you and Sidney really want to rehabilitate Crystal, then you should collaborate with the department of corrections and teach her to control herself .(sic) ?. This question contains a false premise. It's the North Carolina Justice System that need rehabilitation; May 12, 2014 at 3:57 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "She got a break".... AG Cooper would not have dared to charge Crystal with filing a false report."

BULLSHIT!!! He did not charge Crystal because he had mercy on her for being seriously mentally ill.

"He, under extreme pressure, just wanted to put this case to rest."

The only people who were putting pressure on him were the black on white racists who wanted him to have the innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players convicted.

"He realized trying to prove that Crystal filed a false report might backfire and call into question his hasty and precipitous declaration that the case was over and those charged were innocent of any and all charges."

More BULLSHIT!!! AG Cooper's office investigated the case intensively and thoroughly, something you and SIDNEY have never done. Everyone who investigated the case was convinced that no crime had been committed and that the wrongfully accused players were innocent. You characterize the investigation that way because, again, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!; May 12, 2014 at 4:02 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Guiowen said: "If you and Sidney really want to rehabilitate Crystal, then you should collaborate with the department of corrections and teach her to control herself .(sic) ?. This question contains a false premise. It's the North Carolina Justice System that need rehabilitation".

Yes the NC Justice system needs reform as was amply demonstrated by the wrongful prosecution of innocent men because Crystal falsely accused them of raping her. The system has made progress, by determining the truth that Crystal had lied about being raped, by proclaiming the falsely accused Lacrosse players innocent, by disbarring and firing corrupt DA NIFONG, by convicting Crystal of murder.; May 12, 2014 at 4:06 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Regardless you got it wrong the way you compared Crystal and OJ. They are both murderers, even if OJ got a break from a racist pro black jury"...... OJ was a murderer who was found innocent. Crystal was innocent but was found guilty.
In both cases the jury got it wrong. Now in the case of OJ stealing his own property, that was a vendetta prosecution. It was pay-back for his acquittal. It was like the phoney arson and murder charges against Crystal. It's a sad commentary on justice in America. No wonder they have more people incarcerated then any other place on earth.; May 12, 2014 at 4:06 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

What credible factual evidence have you provided that Crystal had been raped?; May 12, 2014 at 4:08 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"In both cases the jury got it wrong. Now in the case of OJ stealing his own property, that was a vendetta prosecution."

No it wasn't

"It was pay-back for his acquittal. It was like the phoney arson and murder charges against Crystal."

The charges were not bogus. In the Milton Walker case, Crystal got a break from a racist, black favoring judge. In the Reginald Daye case she got justice and you can't stand it that your favorite murderess did not get a pass for her crime.

"It's a sad commentary on justice in America."

To you maybe. However your concept of justice, again, is that your favorite murderess should get a pass for her crime, which hardly makes you an astute or objective observer.

"No wonder they have more people incarcerated then any other place on earth."

In Crystal's case, that is irrelevant.; May 12, 2014 at 4:12 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "AG Cooper's office investigated the case intensively and thoroughly"...... Why wont they release the particulars of this investigation. Author Cohan has tried to obtain them? Could it be that the particulars uncovered don't completely fit the report issued.; May 12, 2014 at 4:13 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAK:

What credible factual evidence have you presented that there is a vendetta against Crystal. That you cite the appropriately named Liestoppers means only you don't read Liestoppers. Very little of their content has to do with Crystal.; May 12, 2014 at 4:14 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: "AG Cooper's office investigated the case intensively and thoroughly"...... Why wont they release the particulars of this investigation."

What precedent can you cite that says they should. You are recycling a tired old invalid old argument first advanced by wicked wendy murphy.

"Author Cohan has tried to obtain them?"

So. Cohan is so biased against the truth he would no have believed the truth when it was presented to him.

"Could it be that the particulars uncovered don't completely fit the report issued."

If that is what you are asserting, then you are assuming the obligation to prove it. Judging from your track record you couldn' even prove that water is wet. You have never provided credible factual proof for any of the allegations you have made.; May 12, 2014 at 4:18 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "Why wont they release the particulars of this investigation. Author Cohan has tried to obtain them?"

Because they are not public records as per NCGS § 132-1.4 .
These records can only be released by order of a court of competent jurisdiction.

Kenny, consider yourself enlightened.; May 12, 2014 at 6:12 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

You rant and rave so because AG Cooper will not release the records of his investigation to William Cohan.

Your buddy Kilgo used to boast that he knew more about the Lacrosse case than any other person on the planet. I challenged him repeatedly to reveal what he knew-to put up or to shut up. He always backed down. Why? More to the point, why would you consider him a credible source of knowledge of the case?

So far as yourself, you state it as proven that Crystal was the victim of a brutal gang rape. I have challenged you to release what ever credible factual evidence you have that she was raped. Thus far you have not. Why is that? Most likely the reason is you have no credible factual evidence to release.

So why do you continue to judge members of the Lacrosse team guilty? The most likely explanation is you hate the members of the Lacrosse team for some reason. Most likely you hate Caucasian men who are more accomplished than you are.

Quite the cauldron of psychopathology you are. One does not need to be a psychiatrist, amateur or otherwise to see that.; May 12, 2014 at 7:27 PM
kenhyderal said...: Your attempts at psychoanalysis are absolutely pathetic. Let's see now; according to you, I am a mentally ill person with a psychosexual obsession with gang rape. I am a racist with an inferiority complex who hates "white-skinned" people especially accomplished ones. Why don't you tell us your name?; May 12, 2014 at 9:05 PM
guiowen said...: No, Kenny,
You're just someone trying to emulate the spirit that appears in the 4th chapter of Matthew's gospel.; May 13, 2014 at 2:00 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Your attempts at psychoanalysis are absolutely pathetic."

No, they are remarkably insightful.

"Let's see now; according to you, I am a mentally ill person with a psychosexual obsession with gang rape. I am a racist with an inferiority complex who hates "white-skinned" people especially accomplished ones."

Congratulations. You have shown some insight into your condition.

"Why don't you tell us your name?"

Why don't you provide credible factual evidence that Crystal was raped.; May 13, 2014 at 4:42 AM
Anonymous said...: Your's includes abusive crazy making since you troll him into the rape conversations with your constant almost daily harrassment of the issue on this blog directed at him, and then turn around and accuse him of all manner of things, including what you are doing now.

Admit it.; May 13, 2014 at 5:27 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 13, 2014 at 5:27 AM

I do not believe the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and unredeemably stupid.; May 13, 2014 at 5:59 AM
Anonymous said...: seriously

You are a bs evil duke troll who employs crazy making daily on this blog to further your agenda of what again? Did you get a raise from duke yet for your evil duke trolling, or are they thinking of firing you since you have failed their agenda in some way?; May 13, 2014 at 6:13 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Sid -- A few days ago, you wrote:
"You are quick to make accusations about Victoria [Peterson], but can you back them up with facts? It's easy to label people... but backing up the labels with substance is not as easy."

In response, an anonymous poster provided a number of direct quotes from Ms. Peterson when she testified before the County Commissioners in an effort to refuse extension of [same-sex] partnership benefits.

You have yet to reply to that anonymous poster.

Why is that?; May 13, 2014 at 7:06 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
You made a somewhat reasonable response... somewhat. However I agreed to divulge from whence I received the transcripts in return for any reason given for the question... ergo I will inform you that I received copies of the transcript from Mangum's Appeals attorney Ann Petersen.

I hope that satisfactorily answers your question.

It did, and I appreciate the response. Thanks.

You're welcome.; May 13, 2014 at 7:06 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Anonymous said...
SIDNEY HARR:

"No, but gender aside, I would compare her to O. J. Simpson... vilified by the media and a victim of vendetta-legal system."

How appropriate, comparing one murderer to another. There is a difference. OJ got a pass for killing Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman-his dream team persuaded the jury that they did not want to convict a black man for killing two white people. Fortunately, in Crystal's case she did not get a pass for killing her victim and justice was served.

Neither you nor KENNY have provided any credible factual evidence that there is or ever has been a vendetta against Crystal.

If I am not mistaken, O.J. Simpson was never convicted of murder, and ergo, he is not a murderer. Crystal, on the other hand was convicted of murder by a kangaroo court with a fraudulent autopsy report and representation by a turncoat defense attorney... ergo, she is not a murderess.

Both were convicted on trumped up charges in a vendetta prosecution as payback... plain and simple. Simpson was set up in the Vegas hotel, and likewise with Daye's death.; May 13, 2014 at 7:12 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...
Sid -- A few days ago, you wrote:
"You are quick to make accusations about Victoria [Peterson], but can you back them up with facts? It's easy to label people... but backing up the labels with substance is not as easy."

In response, an anonymous poster provided a number of direct quotes from Ms. Peterson when she testified before the County Commissioners in an effort to refuse extension of [same-sex] partnership benefits.

You have yet to reply to that anonymous poster.

Why is that?

Supreme Poster, there is only so much time I have available online when I go to the library... and I don't spend too much time answering every comment because I have to get home to work on my sharlogs. The current one is very enlightening, and will include some transcripts from Mangum's trial. So, short answer is that I'm short on time.

When comments such as the one to which you refer are posed, it requires serious research to verify and place in context. It's not that I don't want to answer, but I want to be sure and have time to research such comments before doing so.; May 13, 2014 at 7:20 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "If I am not mistaken, O.J. Simpson was never convicted of murder, and ergo, he is not a murderer

O.J. Simpson was found guilty in the wrongful death* civil suit.

*The taking of the life of an individual resulting from the willful or negligent act of another person or persons.; May 13, 2014 at 7:25 AM
Anonymous said...: You have known of your association with this bigoted homophobic woman for years. don't try to hide, bro. you know what she is.......and you know what it makes you.; May 13, 2014 at 8:08 AM
Anonymous said...: Normally I agree with Lance, but ...

"If I am not mistaken, O.J. Simpson was never convicted of murder, and ergo, he is not a murderer

O.J. Simpson was found guilty in the wrongful death* civil suit.

*The taking of the life of an individual resulting from the willful or negligent act of another person or persons.

You are not "found guilty" in a Civil Trial. It is a totally different process and burden of proof. He was found responsible for the deaths, but he was acquitted in the Criminal Trial (which doesn't mean innocent, just means Not Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt).; May 13, 2014 at 8:14 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 13, 2014 at 6:13 AM

I do not believe the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and unredeemably stupid.; May 13, 2014 at 8:18 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: Sidney -- Save yourself some time and research and ask Victoria these 2 questions:

1) Should gay marriage be legalized?

2) What have you (Victoria) done to help the legalization of gay marriage?

Feel free to print her response here. We eagerly wait your response; May 13, 2014 at 8:24 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"If I am not mistaken, O.J. Simpson was never convicted of murder, and ergo, he is not a murderer."

OF got a break from a jury which thought it would be improper that a black man be convicted of murdering two white people. So far as your ergo, the Lacrosse players were never convicted of rape so they are not rapists. They did not go to trial because there was no crime.

"Crystal, on the other hand was convicted of murder by a kangaroo court with a fraudulent autopsy report and representation by a turncoat defense attorney... ergo, she is not a murderess."

She is a murderess because she was convicted beyond a reasonable doubt in a fair trial. What makes it a kangaroo court in your deluded imagination is that it did not give Crystal a pass for her crimes. And you are not capable of telling whether or not an autopsy report is fraudulent.

"Both were convicted on trumped up charges in a vendetta prosecution as payback... plain and simple. Simpson was set up in the Vegas hotel, and likewise with Daye's death."

In that last paragraph you are saying OJ was set up to take the fall for Reginald Daye's murder. You are more confused than I thought. You need help.; May 13, 2014 at 8:30 AM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "You are not "found guilty" in a Civil Trial. It is a totally different process and burden of proof. He was found responsible for the deaths..."

Thanks for the clarification.

There you go, Sid -- O.J. was found to be responsible for the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Lyle Goldman.; May 13, 2014 at 8:31 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Supreme Poster, there is only so much time I have available online when I go to the library... and I don't spend too much time answering every comment because I have to get home to work on my sharlogs. The current one is very enlightening, and will include some transcripts from Mangum's trial. So, short answer is that I'm short on time."

You have only posted distortions and lies on your blog. Distortions and lies by definition are not enlightening. Consider yourself enlightened.

"When comments such as the one to which you refer are posed, it requires serious research to verify and place in context. It's not that I don't want to answer, but I want to be sure and have time to research such comments before doing so."

BULLSHIT!!!! You don't answer because you can't.; May 13, 2014 at 8:33 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Here's a poser for you.

You have quoted a number of reasons why you believe the failure to detect semen on Crystal's rape kit is not significant.

Several days after the rape, a towel was found and it was possible to identify David Evans' semen on the towel. William Cohan mentions it in his book and implies that the towel was used to wipe down Crystal.

He never explains why Crystal's DNA was never found on the towel.

So the issue is, if you do believe semen degrades so rapidly, how, several days from the alleged rape, could semen of one of the attackers was found on a towel in the house? And if semen from the rape could be found on a towel days after the rape, a towel upon which no preservative measures were taken, why would it not be found on rape kit materials taken and preserved hours after the rape?

The obvious explanation, which is not invalidated by your denials is, no semen was deposited on Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006. The fact that you insist a rape took place is but an admission that you can not provide any credible, factual evidence of a rape.; May 13, 2014 at 8:42 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "So the issue is, if you do believe semen degrades so rapidly, how, several days from the alleged rape, could semen of one of the attackers was found on a towel in the house? And if semen from the rape could be found on a towel days after the rape, a towel upon which no preservative measures were taken, why would it not be found on rape kit materials taken and preserved hours after the rape?" ....... Easy. Semen in the vagina is physiologically washed away and degraded by vaginal secretions to the extent that the marker of prostatic acid phosphatase can not always be detected.; May 13, 2014 at 9:17 AM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: You're just someone trying to emulate the spirit that appears in the 4th chapter of Matthew's gospel"... St. Michael, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. Let God rebuke him we humbly pay and do thou, oh Prince of the Heavenly Hosts, drive back into hell Satan and all the other evil spirits that roam throughout the world seeking the ruination of souls.; May 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Easy. Semen in the vagina is physiologically washed away and degraded by vaginal secretions to the extent that the marker of prostatic acid phosphatase can not always be detected."

Not so easy, as you naively and wishfully believe. When samples are taken expeditiously, as was done after Crystal falsely claimed rape, and preserved, semen would have been detected.; May 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"St. Michael, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. Let God rebuke him we humbly pay and do thou, oh Prince of the Heavenly Hosts, drive back into hell Satan and all the other evil spirits that roam throughout the world seeking the ruination of souls."

You seem to be invoking Saint Michael against yourself-and SIDNEY and William Cohan.

Are you saying you are Beelzebub or one of his minions and are casting out devils by his power. A house divided against itself?

You still have not provided any credible factual evidence that Crystal was raped. When will you. Never, because there is none.; May 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

To my comment of May 13, 2014 at 10:06 AM I add, if semen had been present.

Semen was not present which means the description of the rape given by Crystal was a lie and your hypothesis of how it happened is untenable.

Is that why you are praying to Saint Michael against yourself?; May 13, 2014 at 10:15 AM
Anonymous said...: As Roy Cooper pointed out on 60 minutes the bathroom was too small for a three on one gang rape.Besides none of those guys wanted to have sex with Crystal Mangum.That's why there was no evidence.; May 13, 2014 at 11:00 AM
Anonymous said...: Ken:

If semen in the vagina can be "washed away" mere hours after an alleged rape, how come semen from Mangum's previous sexual activities was found on her?

You aren't making sense. Perhaps now would be a good time for you to apologize for falsely accusing the lax players of rape, and to encourage Mangum to do the same.

Certainly we all should be able to agree that Mangum's insistence that she was raped - in the face of overwhelming and irrefutable evidence to the contrary - severely damaged her credibility, as well as the credibility of you, Dr. Harr and the few supporters she has left.

An acknowledgement that she was wrong and an apology for the grief she put innocent people thru is an important first step toward restoring her credibility and rebuilding her image.; May 13, 2014 at 11:13 AM
Anonymous said...: i can't believe people would actually hold a vendetta against someone who does not approve of gay marriage ... wtf ... people have a right to their opinions on the matter without abuse thrown their way or insinuating that someone is to be degraded because they do not condemn either the person who things gay marriage is ok or the one who doesn't ... get real

... seriously

isn't there something in prophecies about something that will happen when people are vilified for thinking marriage is union between a man and a woman?

???

sheeeeshhhh louise; May 13, 2014 at 12:02 PM
Anonymous said...: ... same goes for what people think about the duke lacrosse case ... people have obviously been led by some very organized and well backed political forces to think all sorts of things about that case ... so why the constant harrassment of anyone about any viewpoint on the case ... since that was what the case was ... a case to make people think this and that without any real trial or just ending since ya'll keep fighting bout it continuously and even commit hate crimes and cheer on further injustice and crimes for revenge in the name of it.

ya'll need to consider that ya'lls bullying and trolling hasn't changed a damn thing about anythang except to ... what exactly?

what bs as usual; May 13, 2014 at 12:22 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "If semen in the vagina can be "washed away" mere hours after an alleged rape, how come semen from Mangum's previous sexual activities was found on her"" No what was found was DNA extracted from sperm. The semen that delivered the sperm was not detected. This is not an uncommon finding as I have shown.; May 13, 2014 at 12:51 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...
"If I am not mistaken, O.J. Simpson was never convicted of murder, and ergo, he is not a murderer

O.J. Simpson was found guilty in the wrongful death* civil suit.

*The taking of the life of an individual resulting from the willful or negligent act of another person or persons.

Supreme Poster,

I am no lawyer, but it seems to me that there is a difference between being found guilty in a civil wrongful death action and being found guilty of a criminal murder charge.

Nice try, though.; May 13, 2014 at 1:11 PM
Anonymous said...: Right, sister was found guilty in a criminal murder charge. she is a convicted murderer, asshat; May 13, 2014 at 1:14 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAK:

"'If semen in the vagina can be "washed away" mere hours after an alleged rape, how come semen from Mangum's previous sexual activities was found on her; No what was found was DNA extracted from sperm. The semen that delivered the sperm was not detected. This is not an uncommon finding as I have shown."

All you shown is that you wish a rape had happened. In this scenario, as described by Crystal and hypothesized by you, if there had been a rape, semen would have been detected on the rape kit.

Again, time and again actually, you fail to provide objective, credible evidence that Crystal was raped.

Why do you so fervently wish a rape had happened?; May 13, 2014 at 1:15 PM
Nifong Supporter said...: Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...
Sidney -- Save yourself some time and research and ask Victoria these 2 questions:

1) Should gay marriage be legalized?

2) What have you (Victoria) done to help the legalization of gay marriage?

Feel free to print her response here. We eagerly wait your response

Supreme Poster, correct me if I am wrong. Are you saying that someone who believes that gay marriage should not be legal is a gay bigot? Are you saying that someone who does not actively attempt to legalize gay marriage is a gay bigot? If so, your standards for defining a gay bigot are set way too low.; May 13, 2014 at 1:17 PM
Anonymous said...: especially since it already is the law of the land - so ergo - a law abiding citizen - not a bigot

(albeit that logic would not hold for some of the corrupt laws of the land made up on the fly to corrupt others or advance corruption, etc. in some way ... of course)

but that part of the law of the land - ok - when and where in history has gay marriage ever been considered part of the law of the land? has it ever?; May 13, 2014 at 1:30 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"Supreme Poster, correct me if I am wrong. Are you saying that someone who believes that gay marriage should not be legal is a gay bigot? Are you saying that someone who does not actively attempt to legalize gay marriage is a gay bigot? If so, your standards for defining a gay bigot are set way too low."

No, those standards describe Victoria and they are dead on accurate.

Why should anyone take your word as credible, you who describe convicted murderess Crystal as innocent, you who define a convicted drug dealer felon chasing and gunning down another drug dealer as acting in self defense, you who describe the death of an innocent boy in the course of that felony murder as an unfortunate incident.

You really are an amoral lump of stinking pig shit.; May 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

If anything in this world is too low, it is your standards of what constitutes justice. You believe that three innocent men falsely accused of rape are guilty of rape. You would not be posting the things you post in this blog(e.g.AG Cooper saying he believes the three were innocent) if you did not believe they were guilty.

Here's the same thing I have asked KENHYDERAL, a question he is dodging, can you produce factual credible evidence that Crystal was a victim in the Duke phoney rape case?; May 13, 2014 at 1:35 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "Supreme Poster, correct me if I am wrong. Are you saying that someone who believes that gay marriage should not be legal is a gay bigot?...If so, your standards for defining a gay bigot are set way too low."

Sid -- If we replace "gay" with "black", would you say that a person who believes that black marriage should not be legal was a bigot?; May 13, 2014 at 1:55 PM
Lance The Supreme Poster of Enlightenment said...: "Are you saying that someone who believes that gay marriage should not be legal is a gay bigot"

No Sid, I asked you to ask her those questions, then record her response.

Do you not know how to read?; May 13, 2014 at 2:02 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said" "ok - when and where in history has gay marriage ever been considered part of the law of the land? has it ever?"......In Canada in all provinces since July 2005 and in most since 2003 The forth country in the world to do so. I note that President Obama is only a recent supporter; May 13, 2014 at 2:09 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "All you shown is that you wish a rape had happened. In this scenario, as described by Crystal and hypothesized by you, if there had been a rape, semen would have been detected on the rape kit"........ No, I wish my friend had not been so brutalized and I wish the perpetrators had not gotten away with it. As I have often shown the failure to find Acid Phosphatase evidence of semen deposition, shortly after a rape, is not unusual.; May 13, 2014 at 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: what does being any race have to do with being gay, or gay marriage for that matter?

seriously, 4 countries and canada, hmmm, didn't know that. is there any statistics for how long or well those marriages last or work available yet(that aren't corrupted)?

still ... that's like asking you to condemn all the straights for thinking straight marriage is ok, and all the gays for thinking gay marriage is ok, and all the open minded people for being open minded enuf to even consider why gays or straights would want to be married, and closed minded people for being close minded enuf for being conservatives and haveing helped to populate this world ... wait ... that's it ... part of the master plan to depopulate the earth

always wondered about that ... now i know

got it; May 13, 2014 at 2:55 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
Like the spirit in Matthew 4, you seem to think that by quoting scripture you will force us to accept you word as valid (or else show that we don't respect scripture). It didn't work there, and it doesn't work with us.; May 13, 2014 at 3:03 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "seriously, 4 countries and canada, hmmm, didn't know that"......... No, at the time (2005) it was three countries and Canada. Now it's 17 and the US and Mexico in some states.; May 13, 2014 at 3:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Wow, that was an avalanche of change on that issue wasn't it.

Did all those countries achieve that change through bullying and trolling and condemning those who were more conservative on the issues, or was it done through democratic law based arguments in a court of law?

Really though, my main issue on this blog is that the evil duke troll gang does not give consideration to the facts that are presented on this blog of major importance to all, yet demand that Dr. Harr harrass Ms. Peterson about her thoughts on gays and gay marriage, and try to condemn, demean, and discredit others based upon their thoughts or beliefs on the matter.; May 13, 2014 at 3:59 PM
kenhyderal said...: Again, I note even President Obama's views had to evolve on this issue. He said it was thanks to his daughters that he changed his mind. In the past, religious denominations have judged this as wrong but they too seem to be evolving on the issue. It's not surprising that older people who have been taught all their lives by their religious leaders that it was wrong are having a hard time changing their views. I understand for many in the African American community this has been the case. I suspect, when it's viewed as civil rights and not as sin they will quickly change their views; May 13, 2014 at 4:36 PM
kenhyderal said...: Guiowen said: "Like the spirit in Matthew 4, you seem to think that by quoting scripture you will force us to accept you word as valid (or else show that we don't respect scripture). It didn't work there, and it doesn't work with us" ...... Yeah, except I didn't quote scripture. I simply noted that the Bible compared gossipers to murders. A sentiment I share.; May 13, 2014 at 4:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Yet, Kenny, you are a gossiper.; May 13, 2014 at 5:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Maybe if they see that civil rights actually is upheld in USA they will agree even more, esp. if it is upheld by the same people, or by people in positions of power who demand civil rights for gays yet disregard it for others.

The people most discriminated against are the mentally ill, regardless of all other factors. Gay was once considered a mental illness as well in USA, so therefore, there would have to be an evolution of thought on that connection, on mental illness itself, and on religion based teachings concerning gays and marriage. That would be a change indeed in the USA. In NC, civil rights issues more often than not seem more agenda based than actual civil rights.; May 13, 2014 at 5:29 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"I simply noted that the Bible compared gossipers to murders. A sentiment I share."

Why do you not share what the Bible says about not bearing false witness against one's neighbor.; May 13, 2014 at 6:41 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Why do you not share what the Bible says about not bearing false witness against one's neighbor".... Oh but I do. Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Calling Crystal a drug addict and a prostitute is false.And one of the mitzvoth expansions of that commandment #570 says Anybody who knows evidence must testify in court; May 13, 2014 at 9:28 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said:
"Yet, Kenny, you are a gossiper"..... Why don't you give an example; May 13, 2014 at 9:30 PM
guiowen said...: Kenhyderal,
We've already explained to you that no one (except maybe Sidney and the antiDuke troll) believes any of what you say.
If you actually believed it, you would be in Durham looking for the other troll.
Stop trying to hide behind the bible and other scriptures. Instead, try to make coherent arguments.; May 14, 2014 at 1:52 AM
Anonymous said...: he doesn't have to prove a damn thing to you evil duke trolls, nor would he be defending himself and Ms. Mangum constantly if ya'll weren't consistently attacking, trolling, slandering, and demeaning him and Ms. Mangum on this blog

so blame yourself and you stop whining (as you like to put it) g...

get real and go troll on kc's blog some more - he seems to enjoy your trolling games; May 14, 2014 at 5:33 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 14, 2014 at 5:33 AM

KENHYDERAL insists that somone is guilty of raping Crystal Mangum. Before he makes that assertion, shouldn't he prove it? According to you, no. Whomever he accuses should just be presumed guilty.

KENHYDERAL, in spite of his assertions, has provided no objective credible proof that this alleged rape of Crystal ever took place. Can you?; May 14, 2014 at 6:22 AM
Anonymous said...: wasn't that kilgo not kenny that insisted that, so now you beat kenny up cuz he believed kilgo

kenny doesn't have to prove jacks to you troll - and why are you so concerned bout it anyway ... hmmmmm??? you go find kilgo if you are so interested in kilgo or whatever instead of demanding kenny do it - wtf is that about anyway - jump troll jump

blah; May 14, 2014 at 6:56 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said:
'Yet, Kenny, you are a gossiper'..... Why don't you give an example".

You insist that a number of party attendees ganged up on Crystal and raped her and that members of the Lacrosse team witnessed and cooperated with the rape. Yet, in spite of repeated challenges, you have provided no credible factual evidence that he rape ever took place. All you have ever provided amounts to wishful thinking on your part that the rape had taken place.

That identifies you as a gossip.

From a Google search on the term Gossip:

"gos·sip
ˈgäsəp/Submit
noun
1.
casual or unconstrained conversation or reports about other people, typically involving details that are not confirmed as being true."

In your case, the details you try to provide have been confirmed as false.; May 14, 2014 at 6:57 AM
guiowen said...: to the 5:33,
Please mind your manners, and make coherent arguments.; May 14, 2014 at 7:05 AM
Anonymous said...: g... you are an annoying troll aren't you ... your little ms. manners act only works on kc's blog from what i've seen since you cheer on the hate crimes here but act all ms. manners when your being dukish and better than thouish cuz you are little ms. pc duke endorsed manners ... something people round bout here are quite used to from bs dukies like you ... little ms. bs hate crimes evil duke troll gang member manners lauded by kc for the bs troll that you are

blah; May 14, 2014 at 7:19 AM
Nifong Supporter said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Just an update... The next sharlog, which focuses on Mangum's turncoat defense attorneys, is well underway, and hopefully will be posted no later than some time this weekend.

As you were.; May 14, 2014 at 7:26 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 14, 2014 at 7:19 AM

You are incredibly and irredeemably stupid and ill mannered.; May 14, 2014 at 7:44 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Just an update... The next sharlog, which focuses on Mangum's turncoat defense attorneys, is well underway, and hopefully will be posted no later than some time this weekend.

As you were."

SIDNEY saying, Pay attention to the next manifestation of my deluded megalomania.; May 14, 2014 at 7:46 AM
Anonymous said...: and your a bs evil duke troll who harrassess, trolls, slanders, commits hate crimes, pretends to be a retired doc, duke dad, and various other characters at whim, treats people like slaves, and commits abusive crazy making tactics by baiting and then blaming the persons you troll for defending themselves or others from your constant duke centered bullying, trolling, and hate crime commissions directed at anyone who does not conform to your bs evil ways and beliefs

blah ...
blah ...
blah ...; May 14, 2014 at 8:35 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 14, 2014 at 8:35 AM

I do not believe the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and unredeemably stupid.; May 14, 2014 at 9:06 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "That identifies you as a gossip"..... Give us a quote. What did I say? Not what is it I believe or what do I think.; May 14, 2014 at 9:35 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Give us a quote. What did I say? Not what is it I believe or what do I think."

In the middle of all your other psychopathology you are now in the middle of denial.

You have posted on this blog that Crystal was raped and that attendees at the party were rapists, that members of the Lacrosse team were participants. That makes you actually worse than a gossip in that you are purveying material as true which has been proven to be untrue.

Your proclamation that you are not a gossip has no weight, legal, moral or ethical at all.; May 14, 2014 at 9:42 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAK:

Here is a quote:

"The Duke Lacrosse apologists see attempting to prosecute spoiled princelings for sexual assault as a sin against their male privilege."

You are accusing the defendants of being spoiled princelings when in fact they are wrongfully accused men.

GOSSIP GOSSIP GOSSIP; May 14, 2014 at 9:44 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"Oh but I do(share what the Bible says about false witness). Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Calling Crystal a drug addict and a prostitute is false.And one of the mitzvoth expansions of that commandment #570 says Anybody who knows evidence must testify in court".

No you do not take seriously the commandment against false witness. Crystal bore false witness against the members of the Lacrosse team. Kilgo, in claiming he had a friend who witnessed an assault at the party, bore false witness. By claiming there were unknown assailants at the party who raped Crystal you, yes you, bore false witness.

So add Hypocrite to your resume.

The evidence indicates that Crystal was a prostitute, a drug addict and a false accuser before the Lacrosse case. And it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a fair trial that she murdered Reginald Daye.; May 14, 2014 at 9:49 AM
Anonymous said...: HEY, EVERYBODY... LISTEN UP!!!
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT!

Just an update... The next sharlog, which focuses on Mangum's turncoat defense attorneys, is well underway, and hopefully will be posted no later than some time this weekend.

As you were.

I'm sure everyone can hardly wait, and those attorneys must be scared to death you are going to expose them ...; May 14, 2014 at 9:50 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Here is another quote:

"No, I wish my friend had not been so brutalized and I wish the perpetrators had not gotten away with it".

There was no rape. Ergo, no one got away with brutalizing Crystal. Here again you are purveying as true something which has been proven not true. You are worse than a gossip.; May 14, 2014 at 9:52 AM
Anonymous said...: SIDNEY HARR:

"
I am no lawyer,"

You have graphically demonstrated that on many occasions. Yet you believe you can issue legal opinions which are more significant than those of veteran jurists. Then you claim you are not into self aggrandizment. HAH!!!!!

"but it seems to me that there is a difference between being found guilty in a civil wrongful death action and being found guilty of a criminal murder charge."

Here you are gloating because a black murderer got away with killing two white people.; May 14, 2014 at 9:56 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Here is another of your quotes:

"I have never tried nor would I ever attempt to post anything on a blog whose raison d'etre is to destroy Crystal Mangum and canonize the DUKE LACROSSE THUGS(emphasis added).

Here again you are accusing members of the Lacrosse team of brutalizing Crystal. The evidence shows beyond a doubt no one brutalized Crystal on the night of 13/14 March 2006.

You are not merely purveying accusations which have not been proven true. You are purveying accusations which have long ago been proven not true. Ergo, you are much worse than a gossip.; May 14, 2014 at 10:02 AM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "You are accusing the defendants of being spoiled princelings when in fact they are wrongfully accused men".... It's clear to me that you have no concept of what constitutes gossip. "Spoiled princelings" what a reputation damaging tale that is to spread. By the way the subject of that quoted sentence was Duke Lacrosse apologists; people like you. But, hey, you can't gossip about an anonymous person, can you?; May 14, 2014 at 2:48 PM
kenhyderal said...: Duke Lacrosse Thugs?? I'm sure this gossip is being spread far and wide and destroying the saintly reputation that these poor, abused, lads once enjoyed.; May 14, 2014 at 2:57 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"t's clear to me that you have no concept of what constitutes gossip."

Yes I do. You do not. You are in denial.

"'Spoiled princelings' what a reputation damaging tale that is to spread. By the way the subject of that quoted sentence was Duke Lacrosse apologists; people like you."

Thank you for the compliment. I am a Duke apologist. I am proud to be defending the reputations of innocent men against a sociopath like you. You, on the other hand, believe that your favorite murderess should get a pass for killing her boyfriend because she is black.

"But, hey, you can't gossip about an anonymous person, can you?"

You sure try. You claim anonymous party attendants raped Crystal. Of course you are doing more than purveying something about which the truth has not been established. You are purveying as true something which has been proven to be false. Ergo, you are worse than a gossip. Biblically then, you are worse than a murderer. You are the moral equivalent of a murdereer/rapist. Is that why you spend so much time poring over the idea of Crystal being the victim of a violent gang rape. I mean Crystal who falsely accused men of raping her.

Why have you provided no credible factual evidence to back up your claims. You keep dodging that issue.; May 14, 2014 at 3:05 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

" I'm sure this gossip is being spread far and wide and destroying the saintly reputation that these poor, abused, lads once enjoyed."

Wow!!! Beyond all expectations and all your psychopathology you show some insight into what happened as a result of Crystal falsely accusing innocent men of raping her.

You have also described the black on white racism which occurred.; May 14, 2014 at 3:09 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "You sure try.(to gossip about anonymous party attendees) You claim anonymous party attendants raped Crystal"..... Lets put names to them, then maybe they can be the victim of gossip. The only names of non-Player attendees given to the investigators by the Players were two that happened to appear in contemporaneous photos. According to Kilgo's source almost half the attendees were non-Players; May 14, 2014 at 3:58 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

You accuse me of being a rape apologist. Since there was no rape, there were no rapists and I can not be an apologist for rapists.

Meanwhile, even before she became the false accuser in the rape hoax, Crystal was a convicted criminal. She developed a history of violence and was convicted of murder.

So you are an apologist for a violent, criminal murderess.; May 14, 2014 at 4:00 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

" Lets put names to them, then maybe they can be the victim of gossip."

Well, since there were no anonymous party attendees, no one can put names to any of them. Except maybe in your wild imagination you already have.

"The only names of non-Player attendees given to the investigators by the Players were two that happened to appear in contemporaneous photos."

They were the only non player attendees at the party.

"According to Kilgo's source almost half the attendees were non-Players".

Kilgo has no source(except in your deluded imagination). Ergo his information is meaningless, as meaningless as your claim that you are not a gossip, as worthless as your claim that you do not bear false witness.; May 14, 2014 at 4:03 PM
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Anonymous said...: Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal: "almost half the attendees were non-Players."

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Anonymous said...: Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal:

Your claim that almost half of the attendees were non-players is new. Why have you been withholding that information for a couple of years?; May 14, 2014 at 7:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny is one of the mystery rapists.

Repent, Kenny, repent.; May 14, 2014 at 7:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Kenny, you thug!

How can you sit there and lecture when you brutally defiled an innocent young mother?

You should be ashamed.; May 14, 2014 at 7:17 PM
Walt said...: Sid wrote: "I am no lawyer, but it seems to me that there is a difference between being found guilty in a civil wrongful death action and being found guilty of a criminal murder charge."

In civil cases no one is found guilty. The civil standard is found liable. Liable for damages to be more precise. OJ was found liable to Ron Goldman's parents for damages resulting from OJ killing him. The burden of proof remains the same, the plaintiff (Goldman's parents) had to prove liability. However, the standard was lower, by a preponderance of the evidence. The best way to illustrate this is a balance scale. If the evidence slightly tilts the balance, it is by a preponderance.

In criminal cases, the burden is higher, the state must prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. In the case of OJ Simpson, the state failed to do that. (I watched bits and pieces of the OJ trial and tend to agree with the jury that the state failed, miserably. But, that's a different issue.)

So yes there are differences in civil and criminal liability. As there should be. When a person's liberty is at stake, the state should have a higher burden of proof.

Back to the issue at hand, I watched the entire Mangum trial. While I saw some issues that might be error, they have nothing to do with the cause of death. The defense and state experts agreed. Death was a result of the stab wound. To put Dr. Roberts on the stand to reenforce the M.E. would have been the height of folly.

Walt-in-Durham; May 15, 2014 at 7:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Then why did she wait until the last day of the trial to finally give the report to Ms. Mangum, (after the judge had to order it done since the second ME would not give it to her for over a year), to insure that a defense could not be prepared - if there wasn't something conflicted about her autopsy delivery and conclusions?; May 15, 2014 at 9:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 15, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Dr. Roberts' findings supported Dr. Nichols' findings, that Reginald Daye died as a result of the stab wound inflicted by Crystal. Introducing Dr. Roberts' report would have only driven one more nail in Crystal's legal coffin. It would not exonerated her.

Where have you been?

While we are at it, SIDNEY's statement that the autopsy was fraudulent has no merit. SIDNEY is a person who happens to have an MD degree after his name. As he never completed a residency, never obtained board certification in any specialty and got out of medicine a short time after graduating from Medical school, he does not have the training or experience which would render him competent to comment on anything medical.; May 15, 2014 at 9:49 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...

"Then why did she wait until the last day of the trial to finally give the report to Ms. Mangum, (after the judge had to order it done since the second ME would not give it to her for over a year), to insure that a defense could not be prepared - if there wasn't something conflicted about her autopsy delivery and conclusions?"

We have been over this many time.

Dr. Roberts gave her conclusions verbally to Mangum and her attorney. The decision not to have Roberts issue a written report was sound legal strategy.

Dr. Roberts' report was highly damaging to Mangum's defense and might have been subject to discovery. No competent defense attorney would want to have such a report in writing and risk it getting into the hands of the prosecution.

The only person who does not recognize this is Sid. That is because he is motivated by his own self interest and not Mangum's best interests. To anyone else it is obvious that an expert report concluding that the stab wound inflicted by Mangum caused Mr. Daye's death is not helpful to Mangum.

You are welcome for the enlightenment.; May 15, 2014 at 10:07 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Roberts findings were not the same as the first autopsy report and you know. Nice try at more propoganda.

If the written report was available as and when requested by the defense, then both ME's could have been put on the stand for further questioning and cross examination.

As it stands, the entire autopsy input into this case and trial are in serious question of doubt and reliability - therefore - there is no proof beyond doubt about the results or conclusions of either autopsy report to support the conviction of Ms. Mangum for murder.

Can't believe the state is so concerned with a cover-up and denial of what is really demonstrated in this case about Duke's and the ME's actions and intentions that they would continue to try to deceive others and insult the intelligence, safety, and rights to a justice system that is non-corrupted and non-biased for all citizens. That part of this trial is certainly what ALL should take offense to and be concerned with, if nothing else.

You would think they would stop the games and corruption, fraud, and mockery of the justice system at some point - but they never seem to. Wonder why.; May 15, 2014 at 10:28 AM
Anonymous said...: Dr. Roberts findings were not the same as the first autopsy report and you know. Nice try at more propoganda.

If the written report was available as and when requested by the defense, then both ME's could have been put on the stand for further questioning and cross examination.

The conclusion was. Dr. Roberts said it was not malpractice, and that he died of complications from the stab wound. Putting her on the stand to confirm cause of death would have been ineffective assistance of counsel. The Defense doesn't put an expert on the stand to strengthen the State's case. Yes, she noted issues with Nichols' autopsy, issues that were brought out in trial and argued. But, the entire crux of the case was cause of death, and in that, regardless of anything else, she agreed with Dr. Nichols.

Putting her on the stand, and then calling her a liar, would have all but guaranteed 1st Degree for Crystal, and Sid's constant harping on it just further reinforces that he's mad because Crystal didn't get LWOP, which is what he's been shooting for all along.

He will deny it, but you either have to believe that EVERY attorney is corrupt and out to get Crystal, and only Sid can see the light.

Or, you can believe that Sid is a megalomaniac who files frivolous and losing lawsuits around the country to draw attention to himself, and he really doesn't have a clue, but likes having a cause, so he's mad Crystal didn't get LWOP because that would have made her a bigger "cause" in his eyes.

I tend to think Sid is the problem, not everyone else.; May 15, 2014 at 10:53 AM
Anonymous said...: If it was a lacrosse player defending themselves, you would not agree with what you just wrote - nor would you agree with anything else not agreed to in the trial by those without a vendetta against Ms. Mangum or a conflict with Duke or the State ME or the justice system. If she had a lawyer on her side, the case would be won for the defense a long time ago and you would be cheering bout it (if she was a duke player that is).; May 15, 2014 at 11:06 AM
Anonymous said...: You could take that even further and assume that if it was a duke player in the defense position, that duke would never have committed preventable malpractice and killed the alleged victim/agressor themselves, and if they did, they would make damn sure the ME autopsy report matched their medical records to show that they take responsibility for their own preventable malpractice as required by law. (Maybe anyway, we are talking about duke here with agendas to think about first - re: not the patient safety nor the duke player's rights - their agendas would receive first priority because that is duke and that is what they do).; May 15, 2014 at 11:18 AM
Anonymous said...: There is still no proof it was malpractice (Dr. Roberts indicates it wasn't - she said it was a known complication from that procedure). And, even if it was, by definition all malpractice is "preventable" and accidental. Unless you are accusing Duke of INTENTIONALLY killing Daye (then it's not malpractice, it's murder), it would NOT have cut off liability (as has been explained repeatedly - though you still ignore that).

But, you can't call it malpractice and say Duke intentionally did it.

Are you accusing Duke of Murder?; May 15, 2014 at 11:24 AM
Anonymous said...: Then the malpractice was their fault if it was preventable - since they should have prevented it - since it was preventable - and if a known complication of the intubation procedure - they should be trained and able to deal with the complication without killing or harming the patient further from that which they could prevent.

I wouldn't take responsibility for their malpractice, neither would you, nor would a duke player or anyone else.

Things don't work that way and noone would be safe from duke or medical delivery systems if they did.; May 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM
Walt said...: Anonymous at 9:10 AM wrote: "Then why did she wait until the last day of the trial to finally give the report to Ms. Mangum, (after the judge had to order it done since the second ME would not give it to her for over a year),...[?]"

RTFF. Dr. Roberts made her report to Crystal and her lawyer years ago.

"... to insure that a defense could not be prepared ..."

Your premise is invalidated by your lack of knowledge of the facts. Dr. Roberts made her report years ago. The reason Crystal did not ask for a written copy was to keep it out of the hands of the state.

Crystal then changed her mind and made a very bad decision to ask for the written report at trial. If you watched the trial on TV or youtube, you saw the very next words out of the ADA's mouth were: "we want a copy, your honor." And she got her copy. Had Crystal made that bad decision earlier, the state would have had the report for a long time. Of course Sid betrayed Crystal's trust and released the jist of the report on this website. That allowed the state to be fully prepared for Crystal's argument at trial. With friends like Sid, she doesn't need any enemies.

Walt-in-Durham; May 15, 2014 at 11:38 AM
Anonymous said...: Yeah well Walt, you would be considered a very unprofessional lawyer if you, as a defense attorney or prosecutor for the state, actually believed what you just wrote.

I don't since it would be my responsibility as a state prosecutor to insure that I had the facts beyond a resonable doubt and not that I was able to continue the framing of Ms. Mangum for duke's sake. If I was a defense attorney, I would have hired a qualified expert witness doctor to sort out both of the autopsy and duke's medical reports for my client to insure the upmost defense I could provide.

But, I don't have a vendetta against Ms. Mangum like you obviously do.; May 15, 2014 at 11:47 AM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
"Dr. Roberts findings were not the same as the first autopsy report and you know. Nice try at more propoganda."

You had two experts: one for the posecution and one for the defense. Both concluded that the stab wound inflicted by Mangum caused Daye's death. In the real world it makes no sense for the defense to prduce a report and/or call a witness that would inculpate their own client.

Remember, this was a murder trial. The issue was whether Mangum killed Mr. Daye. As much as Sid may wish otherwise, the trial was not about Duke's treatment of Mr. Daye. Since both reports concluded that the stab wound inflicted by Mangum killed Daye, it would have been madness for the defense to use the second report or call Roberts as a witness. Any lawyer or third year law school student can confirm this.; May 15, 2014 at 11:49 AM
Anonymous said...: no ... since there was so much to question and doubt about the ME autopsy reports and the corruption apparent with them and in comparison to duke's medical reports, I would have employed the assistance of a non-conflicted expert witness to sort things out for my client like I said (if I was the defense attorney actually doing my job for the defense).; May 15, 2014 at 11:56 AM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

Check this out:

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/black-christian-pastors-proclaim-you-are-my-enemy-if-you-support-gay-marriage-video/politics/2014/05/15/87443; May 15, 2014 at 11:57 AM
guiowen said...: To the 11:56,
Well, here is your chance to right all the wrongs that have been done.Go to the judge, explain how all Crystal's lawyers have betrayed her, and ask the judge to appoint you or Sidney as her legal representative.; May 15, 2014 at 12:00 PM
Anonymous said...: I would if I was a legal defense attorney g... able to practice in Duke / Durham, NC, but I'm not, and Dr. Harr has already tried to do that but been told by the State Bar that he is not a lawyer, so cannot do so.

g... blah ... blah ... b...; May 15, 2014 at 12:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous at 11:47, we are to believe you, a shill for a killer, or a lawyer? I'll take the lawyer.; May 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
"Yeah well Walt, you would be considered a very unprofessional lawyer if you, as a defense attorney or prosecutor for the state, actually believed what you just wrote.

I don't since it would be my responsibility as a state prosecutor to insure that I had the facts beyond a resonable doubt and not that I was able to continue the framing of Ms. Mangum for duke's sake. If I was a defense attorney, I would have hired a qualified expert witness doctor to sort out both of the autopsy and duke's medical reports for my client to insure the upmost defense I could provide.

But, I don't have a vendetta against Ms. Mangum like you obviously do."

As a former defense attorney I can tell you that Walt's analysis is 100% right. The only person who believes otherwise is Sid, who has no legal training, has never won a case and has done an incompetent job of representing himself in his various lawsuits.

You do not know what other experts the defense consulted, or what their opinions were. What you can be certain of, in light of Sid's incredibly damaging prior disclosures of privileged information, is that the defense made certain that the names of any such experts and their reports, if any, were kept confidential so that Sid could not use them to Mangum's detriment.; May 15, 2014 at 12:17 PM
Anonymous said...: Well don't believe Walt since the conflict of interest with duke et. al and obvious vendetta against Ms. Mangum is the main defense utilized by his trolling, non-legal legal advice given on this blog that I am sure he doesn't actually belive, nor would agree to if it was himself in the defense seat and not Ms. Mangum (or even if he was on the State Bar and asked to judge his current legal advice given on this blog).

He might do such things to you too though if he was your lawyer - who knows.; May 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM
guiowen said...: to the 12:07,
Please mind your manners; May 15, 2014 at 12:22 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
"since there was so much to question and doubt about the ME autopsy reports and the corruption apparent with them and in comparison to duke's medical reports, I would have employed the assistance of a non-conflicted expert witness to sort things out for my client like I said (if I was the defense attorney actually doing my job for the defense)."

This was actually a very straight forward, run of the mill murder case. It took very little time to present and it took the jury little time to convict. It is what is commonly called an "open and shut" case.

The only real question was whether the conviction would be for murder or manslaughter (a question that Mangum answered with her testimony).; May 15, 2014 at 12:29 PM
Anonymous said...: That should have all been part of the trial and case itself - which has been one massive cover-up, fraud and corruption example of the injustice committed in the Duke / Durham justice system when Duke is involved in a case to date.

Just another example of Duke's corruption that would have been covered-up by the justice system if Ms. Mangum did not question the discrepancies between the ME autopsy reports and Duke medical reports herself and insist upon a just, non-biased, non-conflicted, and equal justice system for herself and the people.; May 15, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Anonymous said...: I would have employed the assistance of a non-conflicted expert witness to sort things out for my client like I said (if I was the defense attorney actually doing my job for the defense).

Dr. Roberts was a non-conflicted expert witness, unfortunately her conclusion as to cause of death was not helpful to Ms. Mangum, so she wasn't used. DUKE was not on trial, and so that wasn't brought up - but only Sid assumes that because no one will share the information with him, it doesn't exist. A full investigation was done, it just wasn't shared with everyone, because it wasn't relevant, and Sid made it clear that he'd share it out if he got it, which he did before, and that was incredibly harmful to Crystal.

Y'all are so Duke-delusional that you are willing to sacrifice Crystal for your own paranoid reasons, with zero concern for her. It's sad.; May 15, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 15, 2014 at 12:18 PM

We do not believe the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and irredeemably stupid.; May 15, 2014 at 12:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
"Well don't believe Walt since the conflict of interest with duke et. al and obvious vendetta against Ms. Mangum is the main defense utilized by his trolling, non-legal legal advice given on this blog that I am sure he doesn't actually belive, nor would agree to if it was himself in the defense seat and not Ms. Mangum (or even if he was on the State Bar and asked to judge his current legal advice given on this blog).

He might do such things to you too though if he was your lawyer - who knows."

I do not know Walt and therefore have no basis to believe or disbelieve him. I can only tell you, based on my personal knowledge and experience, that his analysis of the reason why the defense did not have Roberts prepare a written report is 100% correct. No competent attorney would have had Roberts prepare a report in these circumstances.; May 15, 2014 at 12:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Then a competent lawyer would have employed a non-conflicted ME to prepare a written report that could be presented and examined, (seems to me the only reason to not get a written report would be if the ME had a conflict of interest or bias in the results and thus produced questionable results that could not be reasonably trusted).

Seriously though, the second ME should have insisted that the first ME be investigated immediately by the DA based upon the discrepancies and apparent fraud and corruption demonstrated by the first ME autopsy report as compared to the second ME autopsy report. So should the lawyer have done so, who would need a written report from the second ME in order to present to the DA. Thus, the entire case was conducted unprofessionally and with only vendetta, corruption, and fraud, as well as cover-up as agenda - it was not justice.; May 15, 2014 at 12:48 PM
Anonymous said...: You are an idiot who clearly knows nothing about the law and how to defend a case. I am firmly convinced that the complete lack of knowledge and intelligence on display here is proof that Sid is the vast majority of the posters in a different guise.; May 15, 2014 at 1:12 PM
Anonymous said...: quess that means i win

blah; May 15, 2014 at 1:25 PM
guiowen said...: To the 1:25,
Please mind your manners.; May 15, 2014 at 1:28 PM
Anonymous said...: q... don't troll me again

thanks; May 15, 2014 at 1:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 15, 2014 at 1:44 PM

We do not believe the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and irredeemably stupid.; May 15, 2014 at 1:55 PM
Anonymous said...: Awww ... you are hurting his feelings G ... :-(; May 15, 2014 at 1:55 PM
kenhyderal said...: A Jury might have been reluctant to convict Crystal of murder if they had believed that Daye became brain dead due to treatment for delirium tremens and alcohol withdrawal and not for complications of the successful emergency surgery he underwent for his stab wound. A successful defence would have subpoenaed the physicians, technicians and nurses who were treating him at the time to convince the jury that it was this treatment and not the wound Crystal inflicted that killed him. If there were reasonable doubt that was not a post-surgical complication then Crystal should have received the benefit of that doubt. As Roberts pointed out,accidental esophageal intubation is a recognized and potentially fatal complication of attempting a tracheal intubation to secure a patent airway. Oviously theJury failed to understand Judge Ridgeway's instruction about there having to be a "direct" nexus between Crystal's action and the brain death. The idea that Daye was simply a social drinker and not a confirmed alcoholic could have been easily demonstrated by calling witnesses and cross-examining them. This might have given credibility to Crystal's self-defence assertion.; May 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Just because Dr. Harr assists Ms. Mangum, and in doing so reveals the corruption, fraud, malpractice and injustice of this case on this blog does not mean Ms. Mangum should be harmed in any way. The prosecution has no legal basis for ignoring the fraud and malpractice, nor for withholding evidence of what was or was not done by Duke to take responsibility for their own malpractice, nor for concealing from the defense any other evidence that will be favorable to the defense just because they have a Duke driven vendetta against Ms. Mangum or any other person.; May 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous said...
"Then a competent lawyer would have employed a non-conflicted ME to prepare a written report that could be presented and examined, (seems to me the only reason to not get a written report would be if the ME had a conflict of interest or bias in the results and thus produced questionable results that could not be reasonably trusted)."

Roberts was a non-conflicted ME. her conclusions were incredibly damaging to Mangum's defense. No competent defense attorney would want Roberts' conclusions presented to and considered by a jury, or made available to the prosecution.

We do not know what other experts the defense attorney consulted. What we do know is that no one - including Sid - was able to produce a single expert witness willing to testify that something or someone other than Mangum killed Mr. Daye.; May 15, 2014 at 2:06 PM
Anonymous said...: A Jury might have been reluctant to convict Crystal of murder if they had believed that Daye became brain dead due to treatment for delirium tremens and alcohol withdrawal and not for complications of the successful emergency surgery he underwent for his stab wound.

Except Dr. Roberts noted it wasn't DTs, because when they started the treatment, the agitation, etc., continued, so they stopped it - they ruled it out. But, of course, she's biased and lying. The jury knew he should have survived, everyone, even Dr. Nichols, said he should have survived, it was a later issue/mistake/complication that led to his death. That was specifically testified too.

Plus, remember, all this does is affect the manslaughter v murder - self-defense was the only Guilty/Not-Guilty, and despite all the claims of being a turncoat and a traitor, Meier argued self-defense and presented all the evidence for it, the Jury just believed Daye, not Crystal.; May 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM
Anonymous said...: And before you harp on the argument about Daye's "history" of abuse, and the alleged incident the week before ...

Remember, as has been repeatedly explained, those old charges were DISMISSED, and therefore inadmissible, and Crystal denied any prior abuse on both Direct and Cross, so if she is going to deny that there was an incident the week before, it's hardly the attorney's fault - he asks the questions, she answers. If she chooses to answer in a way that may not be truthful (Kenny and Sid apparently think she lied when she said no prior abuse), that's her fault.; May 15, 2014 at 2:19 PM
Anonymous said...: The jury could not just believe Daye since Mr. Daye is dead and his interviews were not recorded, so 'his' testimony is not his, it is someone elses interpretation of what he said and therefore introduces resonable doubt as to the interpretations.

There was no way to cross examine Mr. Daye, therefore reasonable doubt is introduced into the case immediately since the interviews were not recorded.

Prosecution for the state disallowed much of what the defense attorney presented as evidence, even trying to have her friend who was a major witness of events disallowed because she was alledgedly seen at the court house before her scheduled time (which was disproved). That was a vendatta prosecution obviously, not professional legal representation for the state and not justice. Justice is not a game as played by the prosecution in this case.; May 15, 2014 at 2:24 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"A Jury might have been reluctant to convict Crystal of murder if they had believed that Daye became brain dead due to treatment for delirium tremens and alcohol withdrawal and not for complications of the successful emergency surgery he underwent for his stab wound."

Reginald Daye did die of complications of his surgery and not of DTs or alcohol withdrawl.

"A successful defence would have subpoenaed the physicians, technicians and nurses who were treating him at the time to convince the jury that it was this treatment and not the wound Crystal inflicted that killed him."

Except it was not treatment for DTs or ETOH withdrawl which killed him.

"If there were reasonable doubt that was not a post-surgical complication then Crystal should have received the benefit of that doubt."

Except there was no doubt that the stab wound was the cause of his death.

"As Roberts pointed out,accidental esophageal intubation is a recognized and potentially fatal complication of attempting a tracheal intubation to secure a patent airway."

The need for intubation arose from the evaluation for a complication. There was a suspicion that he had developed an infection, a not unreasonable suspicion since Mr. Daye had suffered wounds of his colon and his stomach as a result of the stab wound Crystal inflicted on him.

"Oviously(sic) theJury(sic) failed to understand Judge Ridgeway's instruction about there having to be a "direct" nexus between Crystal's action and the brain death."

There was such a connection.

"The idea that Daye was simply a social drinker and not a confirmed alcoholic could have been easily demonstrated by calling witnesses and cross-examining them. This might have given credibility to Crystal's self-defence assertion.'

You forget that a police officer interviewed people who had known Reginald Daye and they reported he was not an alcoholic. There would have been no witnesses to testify that he was a chronic, abusive alcoholic. SIDNEY's proclamation that he was has no legal weight at all.

What are your legal and medical qualifications to make these judgments?; May 15, 2014 at 2:27 PM
Anonymous said...: But, the witness was allowed to testify, so what's your point?

And, Daye's testimony, except for the part about letting Crystal go was helpful for Crystal, so no issues there.

The Jury simply didn't believe Crystal's story, they believed Daye's story. The only material part where they differed was whether he was sitting on Crystal and choking him when she stabbed him or if he let her go and she ran into the other room to get a knife and came back at him. The Jury believed that version, not Crystal's.; May 15, 2014 at 2:28 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 15, 2014 at 2:02 PM

"Just because Dr. Harr assists Ms. Mangum, and in doing so reveals the corruption, fraud, malpractice and injustice of this case on this blog does not mean Ms. Mangum should be harmed in any way."

Except SIDNEY HARR revealed no fraud or corruption or malpractice in the case. He is incapable of doing so because he is eminently unqualified to do so.

"The prosecution has no legal basis for ignoring the fraud and malpractice, nor for withholding evidence of what was or was not done by Duke to take responsibility for their own malpractice,"

Except there was no fraud or malpractice to ignore. Duke committed no malpractice. SIDNEY HARR has no qualifications to determine what was and what was not malpractice.

"nor for concealing from the defense any other evidence that will be favorable to the defense just because they have a Duke driven vendetta against Ms. Mangum or any other person."

You have no evidence that the prosecution withheld any evidence from Crystal. Nor do you have any evidence of any vendetta against Crystal.; May 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Wonder what the price of silence by Duke in this case will end up being this time? Their license to practice medicine in this state perhaps? The Duke / Durham NC justice system being further investigated and scrutinized and someday corrected for all? The corruption and fraud that is Duke being further exposed and prosecuted? Duke's inability to take responsibility for their own malpractice and errors of judgement and lack of professional ethics being further highlighted and Duke held accountable? A civil suit for damages by Ms. Mangum and any others harmed by this case? The legal and justice system in NC given freedom from the corruption and misuse of power and undue burden of threat of harm if not duke biased enough for Duke?

Or just more arguing, trolling, and fighting, with Ms. Mangum still in jail and victimized by Duke and the Duke / Durham justice system, and with the further corrosion of justice and medical services in Durham and NC at and by Duke inc. for EVERYONE (because they can, they do, and they will continue to do so because they can).; May 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Anonymous May 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM

No one believes the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and irredeemably stupid.; May 15, 2014 at 3:00 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: Check this out
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/black-christian-pastors-proclaim-you-are-my-enemy-if-you-support-gay-marriage-video/politics/2014/05/15/87443. ......................... I'm a Canadian. We are a tolerant people. We were the 4th nation to legalize gay marriage. My point was that opposition to gay marriage, based on religious convictions is widespread among African Americans; including up until just recently President Obama. Even Pope Francis is dropping hints that we need to evolve and that outright hatred is sinful. I was only suggesting, in view of this and in view of a lifetime of hearing religious leaders condemning it, people like Mrs. Peterson should be given time to reconsider; May 15, 2014 at 3:02 PM
kenhyderal said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; May 15, 2014 at 3:10 PM
Anonymous said...: KENHYDERAL:

"I'm a Canadian. We are a tolerant people. We were the 4th nation to legalize gay marriage. My point was that opposition to gay marriage, based on religious convictions is widespread among African Americans; including up until just recently President Obama. Even Pope Francis is dropping hints that we need to evolve and that outright hatred is sinful. I was only suggesting, in view of this and in view of a lifetime of hearing religious leaders condemning it, people like Mrs. Peterson should be given time to reconsider"

All this means is you are reluctant to recognize that black people can be bigots.; May 15, 2014 at 3:12 PM
kenhyderal said...: Anonymous said: "Reginald Daye did die of complications of his surgery and not of DTs or alcohol withdrawal"......... Then we should of heard that from those who treated him. Neither you or I were there when the treatments he was receiving killed him. I would like to have heard what the surgeons, who accomplished his wound repair, would have had to say about this. Keep in mind it was the treatment of those complications (knife wound or alcohol withdrawal) and not the condition per se; May 15, 2014 at 3:13 PM

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