Sunday, May 11, 2014

N & O Editorial: "Save the Nigerian girls"... but not Crystal Mangum

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Anonymous said...

exactly what do you think this blog is anyway, KC's evil duke troll gang hangout where Dr. Harr, Kenny, or anyone else has to answer to your trolling bullying harrassment and your constant crazy making bs

egad ... and egad

i've never seen anything like this - and this is what epitomizes duke - amazing isn't it?

Anonymous said...

So, you think people should answer Dr Harr, Kenny, you and others, but don't think they should answer anyone? They should at least answer where they are demonstrably wrong. But their refusal to engage in an honest discussion shows this is all just about them.

If you really want to try to improve Durham, and have issues with Duke, there are more productive places to focus your energy. Kenny and Sid know this blog is a joke, and they are just having fun with it and seeing how many people they can mess with. This site is the ultimate troll, and sadly the only one, on any side, who doesn't seem to get that is you.

Trust me, they aren't laughing with you, they are laughing at you.

Anonymous said...

i don't think anyone has to answer me actually, esp. since i'm not even talkin' bout most of the bs ya'll are

go away, poof be gone, off with ya now, and all that

thanks

Anonymous said...

Anonymous May 24, 2014 at 4:37 AM

No one believes the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and irredeemably stupid.

Now go ahead and again threaten to call me a hate criminal.

Don't you hate it when someone points out how stupid and impotent you are?

Regards edt

Anonymous said...

this site only trolls you because you are so obssessed with the duke lacrosse case

if you actually had a concern for anything but that, you would see there are bigger issues here that does concern everyone

does Dr. Harr need a competent, non-conflicted, professional, and capable lawyer to assist Ms. Mangum if he truly wants to assist in her defense ... yes

other than that - most of the rest is ya'll and your bs evil duke troll gang ways - which is truly odd actually

Anonymous said...

AnonymousMay 24, 2014 at 5:36 AM

"does Dr. Harr need a competent, non-conflicted, professional, and capable lawyer to assist Ms. Mangum if he truly wants to assist in her defense ... yes"

You forget that Crystal had the services of a number of capable lawyers who left the case because of SIDNEY's interference.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

Even the expert you cited would tell you that an Oedipal complex is not the only way a son can have a dysfunctional relationship with his mother. The question is, why did you assume I meant you had an Oedipal complex? I think the answer lies within you.

Anonymous said...

so ... she needs one that will work on behalf of her defense just as much now as ever

hey ... go figure

Anonymous said...

Anonymous May 24, 2014 at 5:47 AM

"so ... she needs one that will work on behalf of her defense just as much now as ever

hey ... go figure"

I say again, she had multiple attorneys who worked to give her the best defense possible. Their work was sabotaged by SIDNEY HARR.

What Crystal need is SIDNEY HARR out of her life, not someone who will work to get her a pass for her crimes.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous May 24, 2014 at 5:47 AM

You must be KENHYDERAl posting anonymously. You sound like him.

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.

Anonymous said...

Why do you assume that the lawyers had a conflict with Duke? There is NO evidence of that, and as has been pointed out, unlike Sid, they all actually tried to help Crystal, and realized that Duke wasn't on trial.

Do you have ANY evidence, whatsoever, of any conflict/association between any of Crystal's lawyers and Duke?

Yes, the last one worked for some hospitals (and a national hospital company) in Texas over 15 years ago, but that's hardly a conflict.

Do you have any real proof, or you just gonna say "go away troll blah blah blah" which is about your only response to anything you know you can't answer?

For that matter, does ANYONE have any proof of a conflict with Duke and any of the lawyers?

Anonymous said...

no, i've already told you it's my answer to anything about this case other than what i choose to say that i deem fit - which to the evil duke troll gang is: quit trolling here and such, like i've said

blah

Anonymous said...

no, i've already told you it's my answer to anything about this case other than what i choose to say that i deem fit - which to the evil duke troll gang is: quit trolling here and such, like i've said

blah




Because you know you have NOTHING. You claim there is a vast conspiracy, and all these conflicts, but you can't produce a single shred of evidence of ANY of it.

Blah blah blah ... you've proven your comments have absolutely ZERO value. You need to stop whining about Sid not deleting the trolling ones, and ask him to delete yours - I think my IQ dropped just by attempting to respond to you.

I'd ask you to stop posting until you have real evidence/information, but I know you won't.

Blah blah blah (there, I said it, you don't have to.)

Try 4 layers of tin-foil, and different brands - maybe you will eventually find the pattern that works.

Anonymous said...

why should ANYONE answer you?

isn't that the real question here?

troll

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5/24 8:08, 7:38, 5:47, 5:36, 4:49, 4:37, 4:02; 5/23 6:01, 5:59, 5:58, 5:57, 5:54, 5:48, etc.:

Why do you post so frequently and say so little?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

why should ANYONE answer you?

isn't that the real question here?



Sid claims this blog is about enlightenment, discussion, and seeking the truth - not just a font for his ego, so if that's really what he wants, he SHOULD answer questions. Same with Kenny.

They claim to want a discussion - so why not have one?

Anonymous said...

seriously

ya'll are evil

thus ... your good ol' evil duke troll gang ... trollin' on

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5/24 8:58, 8:08, 7:38, 5:47, 5:36, 4:49, 4:37, 4:02; 5/23 6:01, 5:59, 5:58, 5:57, 5:54, 5:48, etc.:

Why do you post so frequently and say so little?

Anonymous said...

stop bullying me evil duke troll gang

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5/24 9:09, 8:58, 8:08, 7:38, 5:47, 5:36, 4:49, 4:37, 4:02; 5/23 6:01, 5:59, 5:58, 5:57, 5:54, 5:48, etc.:

Why do you post so frequently and say so little?

Anonymous said...

no, i've already told you it's my answer to anything about this case other than what i choose to say that i deem fit - which to the evil duke troll gang is: quit trolling here and such, like i've said

blah

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5/24 9:19, 9:09, 8:58, 8:08, 7:38, 5:47, 5:36, 4:49, 4:37, 4:02; 5/23 6:01, 5:59, 5:58, 5:57, 5:54, 5:48, etc.:

Why do you post so frequently and say so little?

Anonymous said...

Some of the evil duke troll gang and particularly the retired doctor whose all caps key is stuck has gone totally batty and insane after 8 years of obssessive trolling about the lacrosse case - THAT is a major issue on this blog since they apparently find harrassing, slandering, bullying, committing hate crimes against Ms. Mangum and anyone they associate with her, and other random insane trolling on this blog something that is acceptable to them, regardless of what anyone says to them about it.

kenhyderal said...

I must be getting through to Dr. Anonymous. I see he is trying to mitigate and explain away his unprofessional conduct. He can't quite bring himself to any sort of admission, though. For a man who was in a healing profession he seems to harbor a lot of hatred. With his superiority complex he constantly charges me with being jealous of him because, as he claims, he is more successful and more qualified then I am. No Dr. A., I certainly, am not jealous of you and I suspect we have vastly different opinions as to what constitute success.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"I must be getting through to Dr. Anonymous."

No you aren't

"I see he is trying to mitigate and explain away his unprofessional conduct."

You see nothing. You don't know enough about matters medical to define unprofessional conduct. To you, unprofessional conduct amounts to not buying into your racist vendetta.

"He can't quite bring himself to any sort of admission, though. For a man who was in a healing profession he seems to harbor a lot of hatred."

You are projecting your own hatred of people you do not like on me.

"With his superiority complex he constantly charges me with being jealous of him because, as he claims, he is more successful and more qualified then I am."

What superiority complex. It is your inferiority complex which is the problem.

"No Dr. A., I certainly, am not jealous of you"

Then why do you act that way?

"and I suspect we have vastly different opinions as to what constitute success."

No matter what the standards of success, your success whatever constitutes it is not great and you do resent those who are more qualified and more successful than you are.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous May 24, 2014 at 9:28 AM

No one believes the propaganda you spout because you are incredibly and irredeemably stupid.

Now go ahead and again threaten to call me a hate criminal.

Don't you hate it when someone points out how stupid and impotent you are?

Regards edt(aka Dr. A)

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

You are dodging yet another issue.

Why did you presume that I was diagnosing you with an Oedipal complex when I asked if you had a dysfunctional relationship with your mother. The accusation of Oedipal complex came from within you. Why did you bring up Oedipal complex?

Anonymous said...


Anonymous May 24, 2014 at 9:19 AM

"no, i've already told you it's my answer to anything about this case other than what i choose to say that i deem fit - which to the evil duke troll gang is".

You are hallucinating. Like the Carpetbagger jihad, the vendetta against Crystal the evil duke troll gang does not exist.

Anonymous said...

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guiowen said...

Daniel Meier,
Kenhyderal is well aware that you are lurking here. As Crystal's only friend,and, moreover, a master debater, he is entitled to all information as to the case. In particular, he is entitled to know why your defense of Crystal was so amateurish.
Please answer, or be aware of the consequences.

guiowen said...

There, Kenny. Aren't you happy to have my help?

Anonymous said...

Kenny asserts: "I see he [Dr. Anonymous] is trying to mitigate and explain away his unprofessional conduct. He can't quite bring himself to any sort of admission, though."

When are you going to apologize for your own intellectual dishonesty? You devote significant time to monitoring the behavior of others, yet you ignore your own flaws.

Please apologize.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I'll plead to unprofessional whenever you present factual credible evidence that Crystal was raped.

Anonymous said...

Correction:

KENHYDERAL:

I'll plead to unprofessional cond8uct whenever you present factual credible evidence that Crystal was raped.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I do not believe you any more that Kilgo told you he has an anonymous friend, a member of the Lacrosse team who attended the party.

While Kilgo was posting on J$N that he knew more about the Lacrosse case than any one else on the planet, he did not post that he had a friend who was a member of the Lacrosse team.

So it is not credible that he would claim this to you after you turned up on J4N years after the innocent falsely accused Lacrosse players were exonerated.

Anonymous said...

Where are you, Kilgo? Kenny needs your help to find the mystery rapist.

kenhyderal said...

Dr.A. said: "Why did you bring up Oedipal complex"..... I have no training in psychology or psychiatry so I may have missed used the term but to reinforce my complaint let me quote you directly: "Your writings show a lot of psychopathology. I have had a bit of training in psychiatry and psychology"......."problems you have as a result of your dysfunctional relationship with your mother" Most likely my innocent misuse of that term is now going to be used by you to again indicate what you consider to be "psychopathology" stemming from what you diagnose as my "dysfunctional relationship" with my mother

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "I do not believe you any more that Kilgo told you he has an anonymous friend, a member of the Lacrosse team who attended the party"............... He also said so on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

Where is YOUR apology?

kenhyderal said...

To who for what?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dr.A. said: "Why did you bring up Oedipal complex"..... I have no training in psychology or psychiatry so I may have missed used the term"

So say you. I am wondering if it was a Freudian slip on your part. Where did you learn the term? Why did you use it?

"but to reinforce my complaint let me quote you directly: 'Your writings show a lot of psychopathology. I have had a bit of training in psychiatry and psychology'......."

You have spent most of your time on this blog insisting innocent men are guilty of raping Crystal Mangum. You have never provided credible factual proof. You have come up with some pretty wild, unbelievable scenarios. I say that shows disordered thinking on your part.

"'problems you have as a result of your dysfunctional relationship with your mother'"

More correctly, I wondered if your psychological problems were the result of a dysfunctional relationship with your mother. I never used the term "Oedipal complex". I do know what it means. If I thought your dysfunctional relationship added up to an Oedipal Complex I would have said it.

"Most likely my innocent misuse of that term is now going to be used by you to again indicate what you consider to be "psychopathology" stemming from what you diagnose as my 'dysfunctional relationship' with my mother".

So why did you use the term, especially if you were not sure of the meaning, and I never mentioned the term?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Anonymous said: 'I do not believe you any more that Kilgo told you he has an anonymous friend, a member of the Lacrosse team who attended the party'............... He also said so on this blog."

So copy the post, paste it into a comment and give us the date he said it.

Anonymous said...

Kenny asks: To who for what?

the answer is in the earlier posts that you ignored.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

I suggest your latest posts were actually motivated by your desire to dodge the question you have been asked, can you come up with any credible, factual evidence that Crystal was raped?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"[Apologoze} To who for what?"

How about apologizing to the Lacrosse team for calling them either criminals or aiders and abetters. You have not presented any factual credible evidence that the alleged rape ever happened.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"[Apologize]To who for what?"

How about to the Reginald Daye family for trying to blame him for the conflict which led to his murder.

kenhyderal said...

Dr. A said: "So copy the post, paste it into a comment and give us the date he said it"........ Don't be facetious, you know as well as I do that Kilgo deleted every post he ever made in April 2011. My speculation is that he may have been bought off.

kenhyderal said...

Dr. Anonymous said: "More correctly, I wondered if your psychological problems were the result of a dysfunctional relationship with your mother" .......... Only you didn't say up until now that "I wonder". You've been saying "you have". Can I take it that by saying "More correctly", that you are apologizing?

Anonymous said...

Duke beat Denver today 15-12.National Championship against Notre Dame on Monday.Let's wish Duke all the best.

Anonymous said...

No way any of the lacrosse players ever wanted to have sex with Crystal Mangum.Just to think about it is gross.

kenhyderal said...

@ Guiowen 10:24 and 10:26....As usual, you resort to sarcasm. You should not, though, make veiled threats against Attorney Meier. I assure him that you are not speaking on my behalf. Attorney Meier was not given the sufficient time he requested to mount a strong defence

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dr. A said: "So copy the post, paste it into a comment and give us the date he said it"........ Don't be facetious, you know as well as I do that Kilgo deleted every post he ever made in April 2011."

No I did not.

My speculation is that he may have been bought off."

Something else for which you can offer no credible factual evidence.

What this adds up to is you can not prove that Kilgo ever made this statement, to you or to anyone.

Personally I believe you made that up. You have made up a number of non credible hyotheses as to why you believe Crystal was raped.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dr. Anonymous said: "More correctly, I wondered if your psychological problems were the result of a dysfunctional relationship with your mother" .......... Only you didn't say up until now that "I wonder"."

Yes I did say that before. You either missed it or ignored it.

"You've been saying "you have". Can I take it that by saying "More correctly", that you are apologizing?"

In your own words, "for what?"

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"@ Guiowen 10:24 and 10:26....As usual, you resort to sarcasm. You should not, though, make veiled threats against Attorney Meier."

What veiled threats?

"Attorney Meier was not given the sufficient time he requested to mount a strong defence".

That is like someone who kills his parents and then pleads for mercy from the court because he is an orphan. Crystal had more than ample time to prepare a defense. She blew it because of SIDNEY's interference.

Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...
"@ Guiowen 10:24 and 10:26....As usual, you resort to sarcasm."







And, as we all know, a sarcastic man is a wounded man.






Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...
"@ Guiowen 10:24 and 10:26....As usual, you resort to sarcasm."








And, as we all know, a sarcastic man is a wounded man.







Anonymous said...

kenhyderal said...

"Don't be facetious, you know as well as I do that Kilgo deleted every post he ever made in April 2011. My speculation is that he may have been bought off."



You sound more and more like our good friend, mistrail recluse.



Anonymous said...

Attorney Meier was not given the sufficient time he requested to mount a strong defence


It was a strong defense - as strong as possible under the circumstances - he fully argued self-defense (as even you acknowledged, since you wouldn't argue anything differently), and he had the medical experts and the rest. The issue was that the only real defense was self-defense, and the jury didn't buy it.

Sid convinced Crystal that she needed to ignore self-defense (I believe he even said on this blog that arguing self-defense was a mistake because it meant admitting to 1st degree murder, which is completely wrong - it only required admitting to having stabbed Daye). Crystal had a good defense, and the jury rendered their decision.

Manslaughter would have been preferable, but at least it wasn't LWOP (much to Sid's continuing frustration).

Anonymous said...

Blogger kenhyderal said...

@ Guiowen 10:24 and 10:26....As usual, you resort to sarcasm. You should not, though, make veiled threats against Attorney Meier. I assure him that you are not speaking on my behalf.




I seriously doubt Attorney Meier even bothers to lurk here anymore, and I feel certain he isn't worried about any "threats' veiled or otherwise, from anyone on this blog.

Anonymous said...

what the frack k ...

what is your problem?

kenhyderal said...

Dr. Anonymous said: " Yes I did say that before. You either missed it or ignored it......."You could have said "I wonder" before but the quote I gave was declarative. When you said "I wonder" instead of "you have" I took that to mean you were qualifying your assertion, hoping to make yourself look not quite so bad. So then, which of your statements do you stand by? Whether declarative or speculative it's still unethical, in my opinion, for a health care professional.

kenhyderal said...

Dr. Anonymous said: "What veiled threats?"........ Guiowen, unlike some, reads with comprehension and I'm sure he understands that he can't make threats on my behalf. There will be no mistake if and when I ever utter a threat. I'm not a coward who makes anonymous threats.

kenhyderal said...

Dr. Anonymous said: "No I did not. (know Kilgo had completely deleted all his posts)..... So, when did you show up here? Some of your fellow Duke Lacrosse apologists should be able to confirm what Kilgo had said. I'll note, that at the same time he left here and deleted his posts he also changed the e-mail address I used for contacting him. This is what suggests to me that he was either scared off or bought off.

Anonymous said...

Kilgo, were you bought off and is that why you will not help Kenny find the mystery rapist?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dr. Anonymous said: 'Yes I did say that before. You either missed it or ignored it.......'You could have said "I wonder" before but the quote I gave was declarative."

So? You have made many meaningless declarative statements, e.g. Crystal was the victim of a vendetta.

"When you said "I wonder" instead of 'you have" I took that to mean you were qualifying your assertion, hoping to make yourself look not quite so bad."

You got that, like you have gotten a lot of things, wrong. I did not look bad to anyone but you. You have shown a distinct inabilty to distinguish between good and bad.

"So then, which of your statements do you stand by?"

Well, I did get it wrong when I believed there had been no esophageal intubation. Just about all of my statements I stand by.

"Whether declarative or speculative it's still unethical, in my opinion, for a health care professional."

Since your experience as a health professional is equivalent to that of a kumquat, that statement is particularly meaningless.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"'Dr. Anonymous said: "What veiled threats?'........ Guiowen, unlike some, reads with comprehension and I'm sure he understands that he can't make threats on my behalf."

So? He did not make any threats.

"There will be no mistake if and when I ever utter a threat. I'm not a coward who makes anonymous threats."

No, you are a loudmouth who makes empty threats.

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"Dr. Anonymous said: "No I did not. (know Kilgo had completely deleted all his posts)..... So, when did you show up here?"

I showed up here when Kilgo was spouting off that he knew more about the Lacrosse case than anyone else on the planet. I challenged him to show what he knew, to put up or shut up. He ignominiously backed down, resorting to name calling.

"Some of your fellow Duke Lacrosse apologists should be able to confirm what Kilgo had said."

So why haven't they? Why has no one confirmed what Kilgo told you? You can't answer that meaningfully, can you?

"I'll note, that at the same time he left here and deleted his posts he also changed the e-mail address I used for contacting him. This is what suggests to me that he was either scared off or bought off."

That is what you suggested to yourself, a bit of wishful thinking on your part. More likely he did not want to be exposed for the fraud he obviously was.

Bottom line is, as in just about everything about the Lacrosse hoax, you can not provide credible factual evidence to back up your claims.

Anonymous said...

I do not remember any posts in which the pseudonymous Kilgo alleged that he had an anonymous friend who alleged that anonymous non-player mystery rapists raped Crystal at the party. I do not remember any discussion of a mystery rapist allegation with Kilgo.

I thought that the mystery rapist allegation was the unique contribution of Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal.

I had forgotten that Kilgo deleted all her posts until Kenny reminded us. Kenny, once again you are extremely clever. You make an allegation that cannot be disproven. Well done!

Anonymous said...

Kenny, please tell us how you found an e-mail address for Kilgo.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

Please copy and post the responses to Kilgo's allegation that non-player mystery rapists raped Crystal at the party. Some of these responses may even contain some of Kilgo's quotes.

You can show your cynics that you only post the truth.

Anonymous said...

I love the conspiracy theories - Kenny, Sid, and Tin-Foil Hat Anonymous twist everything to be a vast conspiracy:

1. Either EVERYONE but those 3 are corrupted by Duke, or they are wrong.

2. Kilgo either realized they were loons and uninterested in anything, so he left, or he was bought off.

3. Either Dr. Harr is a brilliant legal/medical mind who is fighting for rights, or he's a clueless megalomaniac seeking attention.


It is interesting - allegations of conflicts of interest continue to get thrown around with no evidence; Sid still refuses to acknowledge he was wrong about the ability to introduce Daye's "record" in the case; Kenny admits that the 3 accused did NOT rape Crystal, but still objects to them being called not-rapists.

You wonder why this blog is a big joke.

Honestly, I doubt anyone really takes this seriously - clearly Sid doesn't - this is his cry for attention, and he considers it a big joke, and gets a huge laugh out of people who take him seriously (and gets a kick when people like me actually waste time trying to respond to what he knows is foolish - he just wants attention).

Kenny is just clueless, so much so, I believe he is clearly faking it too, cause he's bored.

And Tin-Foil Hat Anonymous ... I will go ahead and say it for you: blah blah blah.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you about Kenny and Tin-Foil Hat Anonymous. They clearly are just trolls.

However, I believe Sidney really is as big a nut case as he acts on this blog. His activities off the blog are what have convinced me that he really is as stupid as he acts. He has risked legal sanctions several times. That is far more than the typical troll is willing to risk.

kenhyderal said...

Anonymous said: "Kenny, please tell us how you found an e-mail address for Kilgo"...........From a Lawyer in Raleigh, Mark Simeon who was holding funds, in trust, being raised, as bail, for Crystal. Kilgo made a generous donation to that fund and when Hammond & Co. put up the bail pro bono he agreed that the money could go to Crystal to assist her and her kids.

Anonymous said...

Kenny,

Where is your apology?

Anonymous said...

KENHYDERAL:

"From a Lawyer in Raleigh, Mark Simeon who was holding funds, in trust, being raised, as bail, for Crystal. Kilgo made a generous donation to that fund and when Hammond & Co. put up the bail pro bono he agreed that the money could go to Crystal to assist her and her kids."

How does that prove that Kilgo ever told you anything about having a friend who witnessed a rape at the Lacrosse party? It doesn't. And you are just making another allegation which you can not back up with factual, credible evidence.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 9:46:

You don't understand the rules of this blog. Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal is entitled to make any allegation he wishes. He is not required to provide any evidence to support them. All readers must accept those allegations as true unless they can prove that it is not possible for any allegation to be true.

Any posters who do not accept Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal's rules as valid are guilty of intellectual dishonesty.

I suggest that you apologize to Kenny "Mystery Rapists" Hyderal.

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